math-and-meta

[ebon girder]

true

dont take your stuff too serious at that stage, you will grow and then things will look different 😄

[copper seal]

i already have a coal power plant so its not like im desperate for power right now

ye i know but still xD

[unborn ermine]

Me skipping basic fuel/turbo and going into rocket fuel using coal.

[tropic vapor]

I just discovered the concept of logistics floors, so I felt this. Gonna be retrofitting literally everything one at a time.

[prisma kraken]

there's nothing involving pipes that can't be built with mk1 pipes. where you need them is to transfer from oil extractors (and just to make long distance piping a little more dense

[grand jasper]

train signals are breaking my brain

[copper seal]

unless you want it to look good

[prisma kraken]

imho anything built well looks good 🙂

[copper seal]

if i don't do it right the first time i'll just procrastinate about it forever

[weak rose]

sooo uhhh, is this a known issue that the calculator cant take the classic battery recipe?

[unborn ermine]

you have to disable the regular recipe

[spare jolt]

based tools btw

[weak rose]

ah ty

[unborn ermine]

some recipes are "less efficient" for materials based on the whole map, so it has moments like this.

[weak rose]

fair, its more that i already have a factory for plastic thats kinda unused rn and i hate working with liquids if i can work around it with alts

[spare jolt]

also classic battery doesn't require you to deal with byproducts and produces more/min for its pretty cheap price

[weak rose]

also true

[spare jolt]

overall, i think the less you have to deal with byproducts and complexity, the better

the latter is the reason why people combine sloppy alumina and pure aluminum i guess

[prisma kraken]

well, also that bringing silica to bauxite isn't easy

classic battery is a very good recipe, just that at this point batteries are kind of obsolescent

[spare jolt]

but fuel tho :(

one of the few fuels that don't try to kill you, are easy to mass-produce and don't need fluids

[prisma kraken]

my plan is to make 400/min of them to eventually be used for supercomputers and use them as drone and tractor fuel for a while until i need the supercomps

eventually i'll be upgrading my tf plant to ionized fuel, and that should kick off a fair bit of extra fuel, at that point, i'll have IF to power vehicles i guess

[weak rose]

Is fuel better for drones?

[prisma kraken]

the various fuels make drones travel at different speeds

[opal pivot]

Rocket fuel is about the same as batteries

[weak rose]

And wich one is easier to mass produce?

[opal pivot]

100% rocket fuel

With the alts especially

[prisma kraken]

about the same if you factor in the aluminum you need to package rf

[weak rose]

Alr, ill take a look into that. How would i go best with distributing the fuel to the drones like getting the rocket fuel to every drone port

[unborn dome]

Am I going to have liquid flow issues if I feed machines from a loop of pipe with two inputs at either end?

[opal pivot]

Except that RF doesn't have liquid byproducts like batteries

[opal pivot]

Drones

[prisma kraken]

neither does classic battery

[opal pivot]

funily enough xD

[opal pivot]

Sure, but RF is easier than classic battery AND is used for power

[weak rose]

Hmm alr, ill make a seperate set of drones that will feed the other drones lmao

[opal pivot]

may aswell get drone fuel as a bonus from a power plant than a whole battery factory

[prisma kraken]

which means you need a separate rf build for drones since their consumption is variable

[opal pivot]

You could just have a "hub" where you fuel the drones

[unborn dome]

I'm planning on running my drones with batteries just for RP reasons, save the rocket fuel for power.

[weak rose]

I was planning on making the entire blue crater a rocket fuel plant anyways

[opal pivot]

It being variable means that you dont need a separate one...

[spare jolt]

why is it easier?

[weak rose]

Righto, but what if i wanna move stuff from my plastic factory to like a computer factory. How would that work

[prisma kraken]

well, yeah, you could just sink a fixed amount you've reserved making for drones, but feels bad ™️

[opal pivot]

water byproduct on batteries

[weak rose]

Classic batteries dont need any water

[opal pivot]

one drone takes it to the refueling hub, then another takes it to its destination

[spare jolt]

classic batteries take solids only.

[ember fractal]

UFR and PFR for drone fuel? yay or nay?

[prisma kraken]

dude. no one used default battery. recipe sucks. don't make an argument

[opal pivot]

RF is multipurpose and easier IMO

[weak rose]

Ah yeah that would work

[opal pivot]

This is the recipe Im using

It takes a lot of sulfur, but you get so much fuel you can just drone it in

[prisma kraken]

the inefficient one that eats sulfur

[spare jolt]

for me as long as the recipe takes at least one fluid - it will be discarded if there's a solid-only alternative

[unborn ermine]

The nice part is even with the base recipe for rocket fuel, if you go "max" and use alts like turbo blend, its also fairly simple.

[spare jolt]

even if it's a choice between diluted and p. diluted fuel

[ember fractal]

The turbo blend -> rocket fuel chain eats up way more power than the direct nitro rocket

[weak rose]

True, fluids are awfull

[opal pivot]

Why is it inefficient? Batteries also use sulfur

[past reef]

The normal RF recipe takes way less sulfur per rocket fuel

[weak rose]

The sulfur to end product ratio

[opal pivot]

I love how we spent ages wanting pipes when the game was first released and as soon as they were released we all went "thanks, I hate it!"

[unborn ermine]

Regular recipe trades that sulphur for oil.
its kind of a 50/50

[opal pivot]

does it? I thought it didn't use nutrogen gas?

[cloud tree]

whats a decent amount of cooling systems to make? like 30?

[unborn ermine]

It ends up using the acid instead of gas.

[prisma kraken]

600 sulfur makes 400 batteries. 600 sulfur can make 2000 rocket fuel with default recipe or 900 with nitro

[weak rose]

Depends what ur gonna build in the future

[prisma kraken]

probably a good target, i'm shooting for 45

[opal pivot]

Yeah, I have one using sulfur and nitrogen and another using the default. Although the sulfur one is for drones specifically

[cloud tree]

yeh i just wanna be able to progress and finish the game, but i hate going back and make more but since its so hard to assume what i would need i was just asking around for an estimate

[cloud tree]

okey thanks

[prisma kraken]

you can get by with less than that, for sure

[opal pivot]

going back is my least favourite thing, currently tearing down an aluminum base because I got a better alt, it hurts 😭

I made it look good and everything

[cloud tree]

@prisma kraken your also making heat sinks on the side? if so how many?

[prisma kraken]

where making a bunch of cooling sys helps is if you use the OC Supercomp recipe

[opal pivot]

need to expand my RF factory too bnut theres a geothermal in the way so Im like "do I cover it up or completely rebuild this part to move it up a floor?"

[cloud tree]

i made super computers 8p/m just now

[prisma kraken]

that's a question i'm currently trying to answer for myself

i think i need 430/min total for my plan so i'm making 450

[cloud tree]

ugly but finished

[unborn ermine]

Regular uses less gas, and less sulphur, but bumps up oil use

[prisma kraken]

they're also going to making RCU's

[opal pivot]

the drone ports are actually designed to clip over the edge of a building, which I find looks good. You dont have to though xD

[cloud tree]

ur making RCU with the Radio Connection Unit alt?

[ivory aurora]

grassy

[prisma kraken]

yeah

[opal pivot]

I didnt go for that at my one because no iron nearby and I couldnt be assed to make tracks (hence the drones) xD

[prisma kraken]

uses less aluminum 🤷

[cloud tree]

oh yeh iknow i was just playing around wanna see the rest? xd

b e a utiful

[opal pivot]

floaty 👍

[weak rose]

Unlucky, very mid biome. Just move to newer nodes and make a power line to the new factory

[opal pivot]

Im one of those people thast (unfortunately) spends 30 hours on a wall only to tear it down

[cloud tree]

ur makingf 450 heatsinks?

[spare jolt]

these levitating concrete technologies are magnificent

[cloud tree]

much hightech very wow

[opal pivot]

my WIP

[prisma kraken]

its looking like that's what i'm building next, lol

[cloud tree]

i was thinking about making 30 heatsinks extra what did i miss KEK

[cloud tree]

that is very sexy

[spare jolt]

good for early-mid game if you're rushing to T7-8. lots of many resources relatively close

[prisma kraken]

i'm sizing things for a max nuclear build

[opal pivot]

ty, only took me 3 days (i wish I was kidding) xDD

[weak rose]

Sadly the pure nodes are rare, imo rocky desert is just better

[cloud tree]

lol well ive never been there so i see this as an calculated first exploration ;p

[prisma kraken]

i'm going to need a lot of pressure cubes, and they take rcu's, so

[cloud tree]

im surely not building everything like that! (i am but like 3 of my factories are nice)

[spare jolt]

it is, but if you're one of those that don't want to destroy the current factory before building a new one - grassy may be your best bet

[opal pivot]

I wish there was a calculator where I could click on nodes on the map and say "how many [Item] can I get out of this?"

[cloud tree]

get coding!

[opal pivot]

Ive spent days on this tunnel, its the extent of my train network xD

[cloud tree]

cant u do resource input and than max output in the satisfactorytools

[weak rose]

True, mid game its not a big issue cuz mk2 and mk3 miners make plenty off normals and impure

[opal pivot]

I know how to display "hello world" in HTML, does that count? xD

[opal pivot]

yeah but I have to work out the nodes myself

if I delete a node I have to take it off for example

Like, when I'm thinking "i wonder how much more I could get if I go to this node" it would be nice to just be able to click the node, yaknow? xD

[prisma kraken]

@cloud tree this is kind of where i'm looking to target with production rates:

its a lot

[cloud tree]

ahh ok thanks for sharing, i have no idea yet how to work with those

[cloud tree]

ficsit doesnt allow lazy people!

[prisma kraken]

i also need in there 2000 ionized fuel

[opal pivot]

Sure but Dyscalculia (think dyslexia for numbers) goes brrrrrr

the amount of times Ive put in something like 13500 instead of 13500 and only realised far too late is insane

[cloud tree]

ah yeh i understand tough out there

[cloud tree]

whats there to realise?

[opal pivot]

wait

[prisma kraken]

haha

[cloud tree]

HAHA

[opal pivot]

I meant 13500 instead of 1350

jesus 😭

[patent blaze]

Easiest way to handle excess water?

[opal pivot]

Imma go cry now!

[cloud tree]

you meant 1350 instead of 13500*

[opal pivot]

I just cry...

[prisma kraken]

wet concrete or coal gens

[opal pivot]

that one!

[cloud tree]

dump in the ocean like china does it

[violet halo]

#screenshots message

[prisma kraken]

or you can recycle waste water like an environmentally conscious pioneer

[opal pivot]

That isn't 100% is it?

[sweet blade]

What's the strategies behind running entire factories at 1%

[opal pivot]

I use it in smelting, like copper sheets

just have a few extra machines

[violet halo]

100% of what?

[opal pivot]

I hope we get circuits one day... The ability to change overclock based on a fluid buffers reading would be amazing

[vapid gorge]

use it back in the system with machines that only use waste water, like this

[opal pivot]

like it can fail eventually

[vapid gorge]

make fluids worse? perfect

[scarlet sky]

Power usage decreases more than production decreases when you underclock, so it's a method of using waaay less power at the cost of a horribly complex and time consuming build. Bragging rights mostly.

[violet halo]

That particular one is 100% up time for sure.

[prisma kraken]

alternatively, you can do it the stupid simple way like me:

[opal pivot]

wait why would that make them worse? xD

[patent blaze]

I want to overproduce by like 1% at every station so the numbers will be an absolute nightmare, im doing uranium and plutonium

[vapid gorge]

having random spikes of consumption and production to stutter and starve section

[sweet blade]

Is the satisfactory calculator up to date on recipes?

[patent blaze]

I’d rather just have a way to sink it honestly and just feed more water

[opal pivot]

Really? I watched a video and they said it failed and required manual input to recover

[vapid gorge]

ok well, as long as you realise you're creating a night mare

[opal pivot]

Its to turn it into sinkable resources

[scarlet sky]

Ah yes, because one random youtube dude couldn't do it, therefore nobody can!

[vapid gorge]

probably. but use tools

[prisma kraken]

don't ever trust what youtubers say about this game

[violet halo]

It's set so the pumps plus the recycled water equals 100% of needed.

[sweet blade]

is classic computers a recipe?

[prisma kraken]

no: default, caterium & crystal

[violet halo]

It's also set so recycled gets to go first.

[patent blaze]

I say that but i cant find a way to make it any simpler 😂

[opal pivot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwO-F82sYE4

this was the video, is it wrong?

[vapid gorge]

and murder flow.

look, this isn't factorio. the game is designed around static consumpion and just because a machine has a full buffer doesn't mean it should go faster

you'll clog up belts, over fill other productions. it's a very bad idea

[cloud tree]

what in the pixels is this

[patent blaze]

At work, discord is blocked

[opal pivot]

It would still be nice IMO

[vapid gorge]

I mean you also recommended a terrible video

[prisma kraken]

it probably is correct, i've watched it, point is they're torturing pipe builds and saying 'this way works better' while ignoring the fact that you shouldn't build things to be tortured

[violet halo]

It's a VIP line connected, to a system that only supplies 100% of the needed water between the two. It hasn't failed for me in the last hundred hours.

[vapid gorge]

the guy couldn't even get the VIP to work properly and then goes on to suggest the most unreliable solutions

[opal pivot]

Is it? Ive been using it as a reference for months 😭

[prisma kraken]

back to point A: don't trust youtubers

[sweet blade]

I guess classic battery is what I was confused with

[violet halo]

Or rather, don't trust them when something doesn't work.

[vapid gorge]

so, the 'solutions' they suggest? not impossible. But very finicky to set up. The least reliable options

it's not that they can't work, but it's the difference between doing a reliable set up and not.

like bringing the plates to the dinner table by carrying them? reliable. Telling people to juggle the dinner plates to the table? not reliable

[violet halo]

If they can show how to get it to work every time, then good.

[pastel obsidian]

I would say don't trust anyone

[ebon girder]

that's wrong. don't trust anyone 😄 😄

[prisma kraken]

one of you is giving me bad advice, lol

[vapid gorge]

the issue is the unreliability. LOTS of things, especially with pipes, can work but the unreliable methods have a lot of hidden variables that are hard or impossible to spot. With things like that you want to copy elevation changes, twists and turns exactly.

[violet halo]

That's why the 'if' and 'every' is in there.

[opal pivot]

Sure but if the input slows will it not have the issue he showed?

[prisma kraken]

even the order in which the pipes were built

[ivory aurora]

Im kinda doing the opposite, big factory here and bring stuff from where i get it and handle it here

[sweet blade]

Is classic battery an alt recipe for the manufacturer?

[patent blaze]

Doesnt that use liquids

[spare jolt]

yes

[patent blaze]

Oh damn thats a good alt recipe

[spare jolt]

1 l + 1 s? refinery. more of either? blender. 3-4 solids? manufacturer

mostly

excluding particle accelerator, converter and other lategame crap

[sweet blade]

Calculator thinks I have it, I very much don't. I synced my save. Unfortunate. I'll go back to hard drive hunting.

Same happened just now with aluminum rods..

Odd.

[ebon girder]

wrong channel

[opal pivot]

Probably better to ask in #design-and-architecture 😅

[ember fractal]

any point to collect slugs after I automated the shards?

decorations?

[prisma kraken]

that's just about it, lol

they're still useful in machines, might as well keep collecting them and using them. if you're making power shards, you can't sink them, only burn them as ionized fuel

[vapid gorge]

they are nice world decorations

[prisma kraken]

i'm not sure once i build ion fuel if i'd want to steal shards out of the production chain, lol

ofc, when you get there, you can also buy powershards from the shop (hard drives too)

[ember fractal]

making 40 shards/m right now

I'll probably automate a little bit ionized just for jetpack

[elder frost]

if you have a looping rubber plastic recycled factory. fuel limited, (4 refinery each) what is the surge capcity? 6/2 or 5/3?

[vapid gorge]

'surge capacity' ?

[prisma kraken]

yeah, i was about to ask too

[elder frost]

so balanced it has 4 refineries making recycled plastic/rubber which feed each other.

if one side backs up how much can it surge to the other side, without starving itself

[vapid gorge]

that sounds like you're making an unstable and non continuous production line buddy

[prisma kraken]

use it to make one or the other

[pure crow]

Dunno what you mean, the recycling loop should always be full on both ends regardless of whether the output lines back up.

[vapid gorge]

if, for whatever reason, you're not using residual rubber from the resin to kick start the process?

[prisma kraken]

you can mix it so both overflow out, but it isn't worth the trouble to work around belt and pipe speeds

[vapid gorge]

have a dedicated machien that makes exactly what the initial production needs

[pure crow]

(Easiest way is using smart splitters to enforce the recycling loop and take overflow)

[prisma kraken]

i'd have to see a schematic of what you built to be able to answer

[elder frost]

if one side backs up and the other is not full the thought was to have an overflow fuel valve, and overflow splitter, to allow excess of the not full production

[tame matrix]

i wanna play the hardest version of the game

[elder frost]

no belts allowed. and if hand craftable hand craft it

[vapid gorge]

it's a sandbox, you choose to make it as 'hard' as you like

[prisma kraken]

there's no difficulty level in the game except for critter hostility settings

[vapid gorge]

and that's less of a level rather than on or off

[pure crow]

Well, the loop can't fully back up, even if there is no output line whatsoever for one side, the needs of the other side in a typical recycling loop design propel the belt forward in perpetual motion at 50% the rate.

[tame matrix]

i beat it yesterday i just wanted a modpack that made everything more complex

[brisk shore]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @vapid gorge

[prisma kraken]

passive/retaliate/off/no spiders, idk

[vapid gorge]

make a complex goal then? it's a sandbox, it's about making your own projects that are as easy or hard as you like.

[pure crow]

But yeah, we'd probably have to see your schematic to be sure what you mean.

[prisma kraken]

if you set a continuous delivery goal for yourself that is rather lofty, like 60 pasta/min, the game gets plenty challenging, lol

in terms of mods that increase difficulty, the continuous delivery mod looks pretty interesting as a challenge and there's also satisfactory+ which probably is WIP to update it to 1.0

[tame matrix]

i saw this youtube vid where i made everything harder to make. like instead of ore into ingots the ore was made into dust

[prisma kraken]

sf+ seemed way too grindy in past game updates

[tame matrix]

kinda like extra steps in everything

[prisma kraken]

that's sf+

[tame matrix]

oooooo

[prisma kraken]

probably doesn't work with 1.0 yet, but i haven't looked

[fringe pawn]

Do a no oil playthrough. Buy all the plastic and rubber that you need.

[pure crow]

Yeah, I'm probably gonna look around for people to play sf+ with if and when it starts working.

[prisma kraken]

or build max nuclear

[fringe pawn]

Does the term max nuclear mean something now?

[prisma kraken]

i'm using it for anything that eats all the uranium on the map 🤷

[ember fractal]

what's the max plut fuel rods that's possible per min?

[pure crow]

Uranium -> Sink

[fringe pawn]

But with or without zero waste?

[prisma kraken]

it's technically only limited by how much uranium you can make and process

[ember fractal]

let's say without converting other ores into uranium

[fringe pawn]

I like that the dilemma and temptation to store waste exists

[weak rose]

Thats not possible with a max nuclear setup, not enough sam to process all the waste

[ember fractal]

using existing uranium nodes, how many PFRs can be made max ?

[prisma kraken]

max pfr's w/o converting is 33.x

numbers haven't changed there from update8

it is looking like probably the max ficsonium rods you can reasonably make while still having some form of large producing factory is 225/min that eats 22.5 pfr's

the numbers aren't exact, if you were to build ONLY nucler, you could definitely go higher than that

[magic island]

would be interested to compare straight max Ficsonium vs 50 APMs and then max Ficsonium from the leftovers

[tame matrix]

are mods on a launcher or is it some sus website downloading winwar

[prisma kraken]

you can only build 10 apa's with the sloops on the map

[brisk shore]

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[vapid gorge]

there's a whole discord for mods linked to you before

[magic island]

yep. and each one eats 5 APMs a minute.

so 50 is the max amount of APMs you'd ever want to produce, and that turns the overall power boost up to 4x

[prisma kraken]

gotcha

i mean, yeah, that's the easy way to get a lot of power, lol

i'm not sure how much sam that uses, but probably not unreasonable, right?

[magic island]

flat 6000 SAM for the Fluctuators

[prisma kraken]

nuclear at this point is more of a build-it-cuz-you-can sorta thing

so around half of it

[vapid gorge]

i suppose thats an instance where you could argue for a priority merger that has a 'switch' to only feed the 5pm you need when you need it

[prisma kraken]

or just turn off the one encoder feeding each APA, lol

what i'd kind of like to do is set up a balanced split feeding a bunch of apa's so they all pop on & off at different times because the animation is cool

total waste of sloops though

[ember fractal]

tearing down blueprinted factories is soooo much easier and faster

I'm never building without blueprints ever again

[pure crow]

Setting them up is much faster too, once you get used to the magic pixels needed to snap them together.

No complex belt or pipe alignment required, just need to align a bunch of cubes.

[scarlet sky]

Blueprints are for cheaters.

Zooping too.

[glossy wagon]

What does this mean?

[weak rose]

Specify?

[scarlet sky]

What does what mean?

[ember fractal]

Low efficiency %?

I think you're not consuming the unpackaged nitrogen fast enough

Your unpackager makes 600 nitrogen per min, but you're not consuming all of it at that rate

[valid stone]

is there a clean way to get 6 belts of 540/min to supply 4 belts of 560/min?
the extra i'm not worried about, i'm just tryna figure out how to get 4 clean belts

[scarlet sky]

With a 4:4 load balancer

[prisma kraken]

yeah, usually there's an easier way, but for the parameters you're listing, a 6:4 balancer is probably the way to go

[scarlet sky]

Oh sorry, yeah 6:4 balancer

I don't think I've ever built one

[prisma kraken]

you could honestly break it up into 270 belts and do some funny merging 3 of them into 1 with an overflow

[pure crow]

I'd be inclined to just split 1 of the belts across 4 with those exact numbers.

[prisma kraken]

560 is an ugly number

balancer or injection manifold

both kind of suck to build

better is to change your problem to have nicer numbers

[weak rose]

Injection manifold isnt bad to build tbh

[pure crow]

Yeah, I've been thinking of ways to try to merge an arbitrary number of belts and split to the same number of arbitrary belts... it seems like virtually every solution just keeps scaling quadratically in size. O(n^2)

[prisma kraken]

(or your design so that you don't care)

my go-to solution is to just put everything into a 4 car train where i'm loading the cars at an even rate, on the recieving end, i balance the outputs to draw from all the freight stations equally (it's just fair merging) and then send the train's remainder off to a sinking station

[ivory aurora]

Should i refactor my whole factory once i get mk.2 miners_

like in principle they quadruple my slowest nodes

[pure crow]

I like the N Circulating Bisecting Train solution I thought of the most, if only trains weren't so large.

[prisma kraken]

probably better just to build new stuff until you have compelling reason to tear down old and redo it

[ivory aurora]

only reason to tear down old is cuz of efficiency and also most of the inputs to my current factory are directly taken from the nodes

[prisma kraken]

yeah, well you gotta start the planning with the trains, lol

[ivory aurora]

I would have to do some belt merging shenanigans so the belts have the same speed

[ivory aurora]

At what tier do u get trains?

[prisma kraken]

um, pretty early nowadays, i think it's phase 3?

might have been bumped to be in phase 2

[ivory aurora]

actually i may do that, change to mk.2 miners and just have the same speeds go towards the factory i alr have, and just use the extra output for more stuff

[prisma kraken]

my hub is across the map so can't run and check

[ivory aurora]

is phase 2 tiers 3 and 4, or 5 and 6?

[worthy talon]

is there a good way to calculate drone throughput

[pure crow]

Yeah I had my own repeatable train station schematic already for a single location. The n-sized Merger & Splitter solution is, generally, meant for something else, though.

[prisma kraken]

idk, i know you need a lot of mod frames and eib's to build trains and that you need computers to signal rails

[pure crow]

Wait, why are those empty platforms...?

[prisma kraken]

because i just built them and did so just for spacing it out

[spare jolt]

building factories in real life is kinda hard tho

so you can try this one

electricity bills, no flying buildings, no hoverpacks, no jetpacks, team of qualified engineers is essential, etc...

[sweet blade]

So why is the calculator showing recipes that I don't have when my file is synced

I'm not able to make aluminum rods or classic batteries

But the synced up calculator said I can

[pastel obsidian]

There is a mod for that

[pastel obsidian]

Stopwatch

[ember fractal]

Yo, is there a pipe design that can mimic the smart splitter's overflow functionality?

I want the pipe to feed the main factory, but any excess fluid/gas should go into production of something else..

[pastel obsidian]

What's the fluid

[pure crow]

Liquid hates going up, so for liquids you can use "arches" which are less preferred.

[vapid gorge]

what?

[prisma kraken]

use a hump in the pipe for liquids, but gases won't behave for that trick

[scarlet sky]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/3/39/Pipeline_Manual.pdf page 16, variable output priority junctions

But yeah it will only work for liquids, not gasses

[ember fractal]

It's actually rocket fuel, which is gas.
I want to package all of it, but if the packagers are stalled, because I'm not using the packaged RF, I want to produce ionized fuel with the overflow of RF

So, packagers are priority, and ionized is using overflow

[prisma kraken]

put it on a belt and overflow the belt into an (un)packager

[valid stone]

thanks for help

[vapid gorge]

I believe it's been tested that VOPs and VIPs don't work on gas. Make continous production lines

[unborn ermine]

Package it all and unpack what you want for ionised fuel @ember fractal

[vapid gorge]

or yeah package everything

[prisma kraken]

idk if there is a better way, but that is what i'm planning

[ember fractal]

Hmm... yeh I am packaging everything

I guess I can use the smart splitter on the packaged stuff

[pure crow]

If you've got a manifold feeding the packagers, and they eat the full pipe's worth of gas, I wonder if you can just draw excess off the end of the gas manifold. No guarantees, though, I guess.

[ember fractal]

and unpackage the overflow and produce ionized from that

[prisma kraken]

probably your best bet, seems like it is the most bullet proof way of doing it too

[pastel obsidian]

Gases will go to consumers at the start of a manifold over the end of it, you could use this as a way of getting close to an overflow

[ember fractal]

yah, just requires a couple more steps, but it's manageable

[prisma kraken]

logically, yeah, but i wouldn't make a bet that'll work

[ember fractal]

I like the package -> smart splitter -> overflow -> unpackage idea

[prisma kraken]

after 100's of hrs monkeying with pipes, i just know better, lol

[scarlet sky]

Or a valve? I'm not sure how valves behave with gases, but you could limit the flow to the ionized fuel, which would send the remainder to rocket fuel

[unborn ermine]

Yeah somehow I planned my system so it works
(packing and burning RF at a steady pace)

[ember fractal]

Limiting won't achieve what I want though.

[prisma kraken]

he's got a variable consumption problem

[pastel obsidian]

You sound like a YouTuber

[pastel obsidian]

All good

[prisma kraken]

maybe they rubbed off on me 😉

[scarlet sky]

oh, yeah, a valve would only work if consumption is static

[ivory aurora]

I do not get the reason of manifolds

[scarlet sky]

Although, a valve+buffer could work, if you set the valve to the average consumption you want maybe?

[ivory aurora]

If you are making a factory that produces 1 single recipe, just load balance it

[scarlet sky]

No nevermind that wouldn't work

[pure crow]

The main appeal of manifolds is their linearity & simple shape.

[prisma kraken]

simpler to build mostly and balanced splitting can be a time consuming thing to build

[ivory aurora]

thats true, ngl if im trying to make something that i 100% sure will not tear down and only scale it bigger manifold is the choice

[pure crow]

I do prefer piping grids over pipe manifolds, though.

[prisma kraken]

i use both manifolds & balanced splits. sometimes i really do prefer balanced splitting (aluminum scrap comes to mind)

anything with 500 stack size i really would prefer to balance

[pure crow]

I mainly do fair splits (1/3 1/3 1/3), smart overflows, and straight-to-consumer lines where possible.

Not much of a load balancer... was experimenting with special merging strategies, though.

cough Most of which are loops or loop-like.

[prisma kraken]

i've also found that really long belt manifolds kind of get butt-hurty on fps especially if you have sushi belts

[scarlet sky]

Pipes would be a lot easier if they didn't have a hard 600/min limit but instead were burstable to more than that for brief periods of time

[prisma kraken]

tbh, i think the mk1's actually do just that

[pure crow]

That's the point of using a pipe grid... it can support as many pipes as you have in a given direction, at least.

[scarlet sky]

Could be hard to code that though, or horribly CPU intensive

[pastel obsidian]

Careful saying valve or buffer here

It's like saying he who must not be named

[unborn ermine]

Thats what sloshing can do
I was mucking about and the projected flow rate on a tiny pipe between buffers went REALLY high when sloshing between the two.

[scarlet sky]

Yep, they're evil, counterintuitive, and cause more problems than they solve.

[prisma kraken]

friends don't let friends...

[topaz hedge]

I can't even get mk2 pipes to handle 540/min across 3 machines lol

[pure crow]

He said the word! o-o

[ember fractal]

Been playing all evening, and I feel so good right now.
Totally sober, but feels like I'm on molly.

Satisfactory is one hell of a drug

[pastel obsidian]

You need to get better molly

[ember fractal]

Nah, I've had like super pure sht in the past
This is the first time I'm feeling like this playing lol

[violet halo]

If the curve in the math to fill them fully, was skewed slightly above 600 then capped at 600, that would also fix it.

[ember fractal]

All my builds are just going right tonight, no hiccups, everything falling in place perfectly

Is this a bug?
Consumption going above Max Consumption.
I do have machines that are OC and slooped, things like converters, encoders, accelerators

I think the Max Consumption line doesn't take into account the power swing from those machines

Maybe it just takes the average?

But peaks can punch through, if the high of the cycles syncs up across many of them?

[cerulean stratus]

So I was going to do encased beams and realized how many things can be joined together

[sweet blade]

Hey, anyone know why the calculator showing recipes that I don't have when my file is synced

[prisma kraken]

i see it too, i'm writing it off as 'works as designed' lol

if you watch a converter or PA click on and off, it moves the max line with it

[pure crow]

Hmm, do you have batteries or high priority switches? That seems kinda scary. o-o

[cerulean stratus]

Like pipes with encased pipes, stators, and concrete with moulded pipes and encased beams. It feels like you can make a lot of these lines in the same manifold

[pure crow]

Oh, guess the calculation with the variable power stuff might be weird.

[hollow plank]

alr... so how am i gonna get the water piping done? This is my current infrastructure, is it enough space for pipes?

[violet halo]

It depends, how much do you see yourself needing?

[prisma kraken]

i'm processing all of BC's oil into a bunch of things, this is about all i needed for water and how i ran the pipes

nearly all of it is going hor->diluted fuel, so i'm probably pretty close to max water you can use for the oil

what i'm not doing yet is making nitric acid, but that will be 5 or less extractors somewhere in the sippy

[hollow plank]

the blue area + 2 more rows, but i might need to use more of it as i will need to move around other resources and am planning on building other factories. so in the end probably 6000 water

i do not look forward to connecting everything

[prisma kraken]

also keep in mind that there's a water well up on the cliffside heading to east dune forest that can be utilized as well

[violet halo]

Are you combining them in sets of 4 or 5?

[hollow plank]

especially when this is a thing

[hollow plank]

each row is 2 pipes stacked on each other

[violet halo]

Conceivably that's what 25 lines?

[prisma kraken]

you might wanna do some sloop hunting and build an APA or two to give yourself a bit of headroom

[hollow plank]

the sloop power thingy is a scamm

[violet halo]

Or are they overclocked to 300?

[hollow plank]

unless the final step of you fuel source production takes more than 100 sloops to double, its just plain worse than using sloops on machines

[prisma kraken]

if you say so

[hollow plank]

each pipe contains 600 water a minute

[hollow plank]

its not a scamm, but its less efficient

[prisma kraken]

than what?

[hollow plank]

using sloops on the final step of your power

production

[violet halo]

Once you hit things that require processing to provide power, sloops can give you more by doubling that output.

[hollow plank]

(the fuel step), UNLESS it take more than 100 sloops to doubke

[violet halo]

Ie once you want to switch over to rocket fuel or nuclear.

[pure crow]

Slooping production of an "end product" halves the size of the supply chain required to produce the same item rate. If there's something very advanced that fulfills the condition of an "end product," then in a sense you just gained double your power with respect to its supply chain.

... without building a single thing.

[hollow plank]

yep

[pure crow]

On the other hand, to get benefit from a power boost, you still also need to build stuff.

[hollow plank]

BUUUUT, you dooooooooooooo need to build more plants

double the amount to be exact

[prisma kraken]

or if you just have a bunch of sloops lying around and are planning to use them in future projects, why not just use them in APA's for the time being?

[violet halo]

You should be fine for water, at the very least.

[stuck ingot]

has anyone found a better way to create a storage room sorter which incorporates depos?

[prisma kraken]

i'm using them atm where i see fit to make life easier

[topaz hedge]

free power now?

[prisma kraken]

pretty much

[pure crow]

What are you looking to improve?

[prisma kraken]

i have 6 or 7 apa's stacked in a 'tower of stoopid' atm

[stuck ingot]

just wanting to know if something better exists

[vapid gorge]

define 'better'?

[violet halo]

Instead of that, I have a bin that goes directly into the sink, and two boxes next to it for the things I can't make yet.

[pure crow]

I mean, better is very subjective, yeah?

[prisma kraken]

if i need some sloops i delete an apa, when i have more, i build a new one

[stuck ingot]

something without the second row of splitters

[violet halo]

Everything else automatically replaces itself in the depot, so there isn't room to put it back.

[topaz hedge]

or just go nuclear..

[prisma kraken]

...or just go nuclear 🙂

[vapid gorge]

well, to make it simpler you could just connect the multiple containers of ssame items with lifts in the back right? and you only need 1 row of splitters to feed teh thing, not 3

[prisma kraken]

soon™️

[topaz hedge]

then 1 apa = big boost

I'm half way there. 180GW of 360 planned.

[prisma kraken]

ficsonium or just uranium and sink the plut?

[topaz hedge]

I've pretty much just got to build reactors and plug them in.. but the people I've been playing with haven't automated supercomputers.. so slow progress lol

[violet halo]

You could have it double sided, with smart splitters that take the desired item, then a bin at the end for everything you forgot.

[stuck ingot]

with the way i have my storage room deigned it doesnt really work out

[ember fractal]

The more power you produce, the more benfit you get from APA

[topaz hedge]

I looked at ficsonium, it's not worth it at this scale.

[pure crow]

Well, I mean, in principle you're going to need 1 Smart Splitter port per unique item, I'm not sure what the middle row is doing exactly but that would imply that you need every single smart splitter to service 2 storages (and only 1 overflow port).

[vapid gorge]

fair enough

[prisma kraken]

crunching the math on ficsonium, if you sloop the rod encoders, it doubles the plut rod power and provides DMR for itself

[topaz hedge]

I'd have to make enough ficsonium for 72 reactors burning plutonium.. I'm good. I'd like to actually make something else on this world other than power lol

[stuck ingot]

the middle row is doing exactly that : sorting the items out. The second row is just there to make sure that all the items go to the upper storages ( later depots) before the main storage boxes

[prisma kraken]

i'm planning on building it, but unlike you, i'm making sure i get the building stuffs fully automated first 😉

[topaz hedge]

I have "helpers"

[pure crow]

Hmm? Can't you just connect the output of the main storage to the upper storage then?

[topaz hedge]

it'll get done, eventually(tm) I kind of took it upon myself to build a nuclear plant, because I like the production chain ig.. iono lol

[violet halo]

You could use just one row of smart splitters. Have the right go to a bin, then a left split to a lift to a higher bin, the straight to the next smart splitter.

With the very last bin for anything you forgot to sort.

[stuck ingot]

arrak look at the message in the anwser

[stuck ingot]

true that could work

[violet halo]

It's the way minecraft sorters work, in essence.

[hollow plank]

ficsonium is worth it, cuz it lets you double power with plutonium, plus provides a small bit of extra power on the side

[pastel obsidian]

Better to use the sam to make more uranium ore

[topaz hedge]

it's expensive to make, and while I haven't looked into it much, it looks like it barely breaks even with power consumption to produce it.

my main issue was it looked like a major material sink.

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=zbFkyrlxOqpABfKn0XY6

[hollow plank]

well..... burning the fisconium barely breaks even, BUT it lets you burn plutonium. This makes it so much better because on top on being self sufficient it also essentially doubles your current nuclear power

[topaz hedge]

at the cost of a lot of stuff. I may do it, just to do it, but I'm not going to burn every plutonium fuel rod my nuclear setup makes

[fringe pawn]

The value of removing plutonium waste is more of a personal question.

You can tuck it into a corner with zero functional problems.

[hollow plank]

yeah but using sam for uranium seems kinda dumb

cuz you dont really need that much power, adn im not going to waste sam to make more

[prisma kraken]

the ficsonium chain is pricey for sure. what it does is doubles the yield you'd get from burning the plut rods if you sloop either the ficsonium or ficsonium rod step

i'd be surprised if you really get much more than break even from it without slooping one of the two steps, and on top of that what your strategy with nuclear should be is to maximize ufr production and minimize pfr production

all that being said, from what i've modeled, i believe you should be able to make 60/min ufr from 2500 raw uranium and convert that into 225/min FFR with resources on the map without going to crazy lengths

[amber jacinth]

225!?

Is that with slooping strategically?

[prisma kraken]

yep, altogether it is 1.875 TW

[amber jacinth]

Jeepers

[prisma kraken]

yes

like if you build it to that scale, you probably will use ALL of your sloops on it

[amber jacinth]

Very fun

Only question is, once you've exhausted the rare resources for power production... what is there left to use that power for? 😛

[prisma kraken]

i'm calculating that with ficsonium, a more modest 300/min uranium ore build would yield 250gw

when i say i've modeled it, i had a 15/min production goal for biochem scultors, ai servers and warp drives along side it

[amber jacinth]

Ah, fair fair. Eases the RSAM on DMR production.

[prisma kraken]

you'll have to get creative to build that

if you sloop either of the ficsonium prod steps, you don't need to make dmr for it

well not quite true, you still need dmcrystal for the singularity cells

kind of a neat little puzzle to figure out though

i kind of needed to say 'what's the max number of ficsonium machines i can sloop' and worked backward from that once i realized the rods produce half as much dmr as the plut waste conversion needs

that number is 18 for a total of 72 sloops, and then you need to sloop the sam production for some extra sam (slooping all sam is 34 constructors) 72+34 = ....

106

took me a long while to figure that all out

i suspect if you were to actually build it all out, you'd end up needing some of the extra sam to make bauxite and would need a little for making the extra 400 uranium

sftools seems to think it is possible with a 15/15/15 elevator goal rate, but i have to say the solver it uses gets kind of really janky when you're at extremas and picks some very non-optimal things

[amber jacinth]

106 sloops for max nuclear is wild, tbh

[prisma kraken]

unfortunately there's only 106 on the map and you need 3 for research

[amber jacinth]

And yeah, sftools is great, but you really have to massage it into giving it what you want... like in situations like these 😛

Dragging it away from the "most optimal" solution is a chore sometimes

[prisma kraken]

i don't find the tool all that helpful anymore

i know what the most efficient is (or can strawman the numbers in a spreadsheet), what i really need is something that lets me pick what i want to build

i've been generally using sp.runesun.com for a lot of things, but really want a better tool

[amber jacinth]

Best solution to that is making your own

Learn basic CS & make a useful tool at the same time!

[prisma kraken]

i'm getting very close to a point where i might

well, i already have a degree in CS, lol

[amber jacinth]

[ember fractal]

Or you could maximize plutonium power and use the sloops to make power augmenters to boost the grid even further.

You'll end up with plut waste, but that can be stored somewhere and won't be a problem for a long ass time.

[sweet blade]

Anyone hear of the game forgetting alt recipes?

[amber jacinth]

Yeah, but then if the factory is running for the next 7.5 thousand years, it will shut down 😭

[elder frost]

main bus sorting logic i do believe should maintain forever

[prime zodiac]

Having some difficulty with Satisfactory Tools. Can't get my plan to load, says it can't calculate but works just fine on Satisfactory Calculator. Anyone who could maybe help?
Or know how to get inputs to properly load on Calculator lol

[amber jacinth]

Is it using nuclear waste as an item in the production chain?

[prime zodiac]

No, I am doing a turbofuel plant

Im still midgame and its my first playthrough lol

[vapid gorge]

you're prob missing compacted coal in the alt recipe

[prime zodiac]

Unfortunately not

[vapid gorge]

shre the link

[prime zodiac]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=Jz0AKATvcAa1sVprZaqD

[vapid gorge]

if it can't make the thing your'e either

a) missing a recipe
b) not enough resources

[prime zodiac]

Im probably missing something dumb lol

[vapid gorge]

you don't have the turbo fuel alt on

[prime zodiac]

.........

I think I need to go to bed

[vapid gorge]

good plan 😛

[prime zodiac]

Your help is grealy appreciated, Im gonna go lol Thanks again

[vapid gorge]

no stress 🙂 go sleep

[sand epoch]

Dont plan when tired 🙂

[frosty owl]

There's a few non-needed splitters on the left. You could cut those down to 2 that output

• Item 1, Item 2, overflow
• Item 3, overflow (input is the overflow of prior splitter)
  Then overflow is sunk, ofc

[elder frost]

nice catch!

Thank you 🙂

[unborn ermine]

Man I hate it when I start planning then realise if I swapped to encased frames... I get the same output AND its somehow cleaner.

[fringe seal]

so, 2 pure nodes of iron + 1.5 normal nodes of limestone + a lot of water = ~10HMF/min
never tried something like that but good to know

[prisma kraken]

now switch to default mod frame + steel rod

[unborn ermine]

Even grosser, the thing is, this is a factory with zero coal input.
Only making 1040 steel from my RF compact coal.

[leaden cosmos]

You can scale it around. But alts can make the chains simpler. Dont be afraid to limit it to what you have nearby. Some paths end up very fun. E.g. a 450/min oil well felt limitless for my nuclear supply factory

[past reef]

I made a slightly modified version of this (with default recipes) for clean clocking, probably will be my go to from now on

mostly to try to use all of the local nodes, I'll try full on plastic/rubber for the frames later see if I get round-ish number like this

rubber concrete alone uses a bit too little rubber, adhered plate might help it up

[manic matrix]

I tried to figure out the best way of using crude oil during phase 3 with 4 alternate recipes, does this look right or useful to anyone?

[elder frost]

its not horrible, id make sure you are running some sink splices so you dont potentially kill your power generation

[manic matrix]

yeah the idea is to store plastic and rubber then sink the overflow

[elder frost]

if you have smart splitters, i would be making sure the poly has overflow to sink

[manic matrix]

why? it should be getting used up 100%

[elder frost]

should be,

[elder frost]

how are you on power right now? i have made that factory set before and its power up is a bit heavy. you may want to do partial power up. I sunk the poly until i had the plant powered up and ready to function

[manic matrix]

i have 2400MW of coal power, that factory should take about 2100MW to start so i should be fine if i disconnect the rest of my system

[pastel obsidian]

Looks a little overkill on power to me but it's fine

[elder frost]

eh im getting ready to do a much larger blended fuel system xD

[manic matrix]

i got really excited when i realized how much power you can generate with turbofuel lol

that whole thing can be done with one normal oil node

[pastel obsidian]

You should take a peak into rocket fuel

[elder frost]

just waiting on hard drives - check out blended turbo xD

[manic matrix]

i dont wanna spoil myself with phase 4 stuff ive never gotten there ;p

i played on update 5 and stopped right when i unlocked oil processing, so this will be my first time actually playing with all that

[elder frost]

oh jesus

so my only concern is, having done that power plant you risk a bit of burn out but at T7 you can really push the limits of fuel power, at 8 you get further fuel options

if you really want to do that option, please let gravity help you

[manic matrix]

wdym burn out?

like personal physical energy burn out? XD

[elder frost]

like setting up and hooking up that many gens... is tedious

also making sure you get the pipes to behave also tedious

[manic matrix]

ohh i see, im actually not super familiar with fluid dynamics in this game. can they extend infinitely if the pipe is horizontal? or does it need to go down or have pumps along the way?

[eager solar]

He's not using the recycled alts so that power plant could get more tedious

Horizontal is free

[elder frost]

using gravity down is also free.

[manic matrix]

im using that for plastic and rubber if thats what u mean

[eager solar]

Take your time to familiarizing yourself with pipes, maybe read the pinned manual to avoid some unexpected problems

[elder frost]

so packeged fuel on belt lifts, up to the top, and unpackaged on a higher floor then turboed then down to gens is nice and free

[eager solar]

Yeah, those can get you even more power but makes the setup even more complex

[manic matrix]

im not worried about it, i'll take my time XD i just wanted to make sure that the theory is right

turning all polymer into rubber, then turning rubber into recycled plastic then back into recycled rubber seemed to be the best way to make materials with the least amount of crude oil

[eager solar]

Theory is nice until the practice starts

[elder frost]

generally i do the recycleds and material generation in one plant and then power from another 😄

[manic matrix]

looool true but so far its worked for me

[elder frost]

but i go after blended 😈

[manic matrix]

i need to start producing plastic in the first place so i can go to the next tiers lol

[elder frost]

plastic and rubber and fabric one normal node

40/40/60 per minute

[leaden cosmos]

Why so much fabric?

[elder frost]

30 fabric or 10 plastic from poly - doesnt matter until i get blended online

[leaden cosmos]

I was thinking you had chosen to live in a gas cloud 😄

[eager solar]

I did a turbo recycled power plant, that plant is also my plastic and rubber factory

[opal pivot]

is there a way on here to only show one chain at a time? Im a little overwhelmed 😅

[eager solar]

Rubber is byproduct and plastic is what was used to make canister until the system had enough

[opal pivot]

I mean like, fade certain parts

[unborn ermine]

nah, you will have to chop it up into other tabs to clean it up.

[elder frost]

i will be rocking double blends so no canisters

[opal pivot]

damn, thanks, was hoping for a way to manually do it

[leaden cosmos]

Slice up. Convert a midpoint you want to split up to an input of the same per minute

[unborn ermine]

Im doing it with mine, juuuuuust a bit cleaner

Still messing around with hmf

[opal pivot]

I wish that changing one number wouldn't reset the whole chart's positions

[leaden cosmos]

I know the feeling. I need 22/min pressure conversion cubes for plutonium

[leaden cosmos]

Technically its a unique solution each time. Its not refining forward

[eager solar]

You can drag the node around around to isolate those you're working on

[unborn ermine]

makes me sad I cant just do it all right here, need more nitrogen if I want to get really going

[leaden cosmos]

Cant clock your extractor? Not aware of a nitrogen node that small?

[opal pivot]

sure but there is a LOT of crisscross

and then when I change 1 number it all resets

[unborn ermine]

well, west coast I have 900/min left after 2600 RF being made

[leaden cosmos]

Drone packager loop? 😄

[unborn ermine]

I might do that

train wouldnt be bad, just, if I do it I want to use it for other things

[eager solar]

So long as you build with an acces to a logistic floor in mind and build the input split/output merge at the sale time, this wont be a problem

[unborn ermine]

What hes saying, the planner is a mess

[leaden cosmos]

Its a mess if you dont constrain inputs, and make very complex factories

If its late game stuff. Feed in ingots instead of ore and you get some stuff simpler ❤️

[unborn ermine]

Thats what I do

[opal pivot]

it's more the working it out on the website

[elder frost]

wait rocket fuel doesnt need turbo...

thats silly

[opal pivot]

I mean, the normal recipe does

[leaden cosmos]

It doesnt need to. But that uses more resources

[eager solar]

I get that, what I meant is that if you build like that you can build the website layout square by square in any order and still manage to connect everything in the end. Consequently, it makes it so you don't have to fully understand the planner

So you can just pick one square, build it then drag it in a corner of your screen when it's done

[elder frost]

which uses more? and more of what?

[leaden cosmos]

Nitro rocketfuel alt lets you use much less machines. Think it uses more sulphur and less sure on nitrogen

[elder frost]

eh sulph depending but more nitro for sure. honestly more interested in the fact that i can do it with 0 coal input in theory if i use turbo blend. to rocket, with Rocket fuel/Compacted -> turbo fuel loop

[leaden cosmos]

Thats how i did it 🙂

[elder frost]

just need to unlock turbo blend

[unborn ermine]

The best part you can use the compacted coal byproduct for steel (if you hate yourself and want more machines)

and that still zero coal

Though you kind of need a ton to get going propper

[leaden cosmos]

I mean thats just being stubborn
Make all steel from iron and oil

[fringe pawn]

Have the devs ever commented on turbo diamonds using packaged turbofuel?

[magic island]

I wonder if there was a last-minute machine switch. if it was originally a converter recipe then that would explain needing two solid inputs

[fringe pawn]

Maybe it dates back to the days when pipes didn't exist

That would be a long time for a placeholder recipe though

[leaden cosmos]

Nah i think its just to make it difficult 😄

[unborn ermine]

or you have a rocket fuel plant, decide to sloop some turbo fuel and siphon off some turbo to package

[fringe pawn]

It doesn't really matter because it's just more oil, it's just weird looking.

Turbo ammo interestingly gives 2 recipes to either use packaged turbofuel fuel or not.

[ebon girder]

What's your prefered recipe for making supcomputers?

[heavy gust]

I like cataerium computers

[ebon girder]

Sorry, I meant supercomputers, edited

🙂

[heavy gust]

oh for that one i havent yet decided

[formal plinth]

usually Super-State
because of overall ressource efficiency

but combined with classic battery, so that I don't have to handle liquids

[solemn gorge]

This is what i thought about building before putting it the calculator as you see here... How cooked am i if i want to build this?

[past temple]

is 300k power enough to get me through the entire game, even if im planning to go abit big? And can i get away with less?

[leaden cosmos]

Think some alts might reduce stuff a little e.g. electrode for aluminium

[past temple]

I know its highly player dependent but as a rule of thumb

[leaden cosmos]

300gw was more than enough for post game

[solemn gorge]

i know but i haven't got many alts at all

[frosty owl]

Once you get over the oil productions and how to lay out the logistics, you'll have done most of the work

[ebon girder]

I finished the game with less

[vapid gorge]

seems fine?

[past temple]

Okay so i can afford to reserve some more fuel for drones, thats nice

[solemn gorge]

I guess, i just haven't been doing many big factories yet.

This is also the first thing im using a satisfactory calculator for

[frosty owl]

That's a good start. Still below 100 total machines, shouldn't be too overwhelming as long as you can keep sane about the number of different productions involved

[solemn gorge]

Its also hard since i need almost every resource

well thanks for the help!

[frosty owl]

I'm glad that was helpful to you 😆

[leaden cosmos]

Constrain the inputs to whats nearby and see what it can do with the alts you have so far 🙂

Quartz stuff has a lot of alts to replace with oil or caterium

[solemn gorge]

Okay, is there a way to see all my alts btw?

[leaden cosmos]

Scim is probably the easiest way

[solemn gorge]

And what's that?

[frosty owl]

(And please don't take what Tools says as gospel 🙏
The solutions it gives are accurate, but it's a tool to calculate stuff not to plan factories; don't feel like you need to follow everything it says! ^^)

[leaden cosmos]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[solemn gorge]

im just thinking ill use whats goes into what and how much i need from the start

[leaden cosmos]

Feel free to mess with the production planner and cut out stuff thats a pain. See what it can come up with 🙂

[solemn gorge]

Okay, ill try my best. Thanks for all the help!

[elder frost]

@leaden cosmos Got the Turbo Blend! 😄

[swift rose]

How many hypertube launcher stages do y'all estimate is needed to get across the map from the blue crater to the rocky desert?

Roughly

[eager solar]

I'd randomly guess 30/40 depending on how high you are. One hypertube loop is enough tho

[swift rose]

Aight, thanks

I'm tired of ziplining for ~7min so I'll just build one of these

[eager solar]

Hypertube cannons are so nice

[swift rose]

Yeah

[eager solar]

Save before launching yourself, that way you can reload and adjust as needed

[swift rose]

30 was just barely not overpowered

Nice

First try

[eager solar]

Perfect

[swift rose]

Maybe I'll try ~25 because that was concerningly close

Toodaloo

[eager solar]

Have fun

[violet halo]

I use 4 for acceleration, then another 4 to launch myself across the map.

The first 4 shoot me into the air, and then I pick which directional cannon I land in at terminal velocity.

I get about a quarter of the way across the map, before I start to arc down.

[ember fractal]

Hypertube cannon + jetpack running ionized = ❤️

[violet halo]

Even liquid biofuel is enough to get you all the way across the map without issue.

[prisma kraken]

why use a cannon when you havean mk6 belt?

i can't decide whether i prefer lbf or if for the jetpack

[copper seal]

So, I'm doing an experiment before committing to a build, i have 40 fuel being created and 40 fuel being used up, but the machines are still filling up

should i be worried about this?

is there, like, some margin of error thing going in within the code where i can just ignore it, or should i build a buffer and flush it once in a while?

[prisma kraken]

it helps to power on machines (or for generators connect their power cables) after the pipe & machine buffers fill

[copper seal]

im not having an issue with not enough supply

im afraid it might be supplying more than its supposed to lol

im putting 40 fuel in but everything is still filling up, even though i should have the 40 fuel being used up

[prisma kraken]

nothing will stop systems that don't have balanced producers & consumers from drying/locking up

[copper seal]

it sohuld be balanced

all the byproducts are being used up

[prisma kraken]

idk i'd have to see what you have going on

[ember fractal]

I like IF, just automated it last night

[prisma kraken]

i'm a long way off from that goal

chasing my nut atm

[ember fractal]

Ficsonium fuel needs to be buffed in some way imo

[heavy gust]

there is a mod that halves the sam cost for ficsonium

thats a good start

[prisma kraken]

imho, it's ok to have it be kind of hard to figure out and build, but i think they overshot the trigon cost

i also think the map needs 3 more sloops

[frosty magnet]

Hey, I have did fuel Tests of all drones Fuel, Is there a good place for me to share them?

[plush glen]

I can't test rn, how much power does a fully overclocked particle accelerator use? And what about using ?
There's a table on the wiki I'm stupid

[frosty magnet]

How about using Somersloops? It is expensive but its by FAR the easiest to be scaled up
If you fully overclock one Quantum Encoder you can get 6,25 Fuel rods. Then you need only 4to double it
Its over 15 Gw (6.25 reactors) So with 4You get 15Gw....

• Add Power Aughmenters

[ember fractal]

Yeh, I mean you're forced to sloop it to make it worthwhile

[frosty magnet]

Its quantum tech, if youre building it i bet that you have over 40 in range of scanner from youre rail network

[scenic cloud]

15GW is like half a resource well extractor in rocket fuel tho.

[ember fractal]

15 GW late game is chump change, it's nothing

You can have one machine consume that much

[thorn trellis]

anyone know an effcient way to get here with trains

cuz the entire path is blocked by mountains

i think

yea it is

[frosty magnet]

For me Lowest amount of nuclear fuel to make is at least from 300 uranium (With alt recepies)
Otherwise there is no point building Nuclear

Here you have Simplified schematic of me nuclear setup (From plutonium waste)

I will use 12.8 Quantum encoder's, with power shards its 5,12 machines. So adding to fully overclocked encoder's would add another 31.25 reactors that add up to 78GW, and with two PowerAughmenter's in youre network its 93,750 GW

[vast jungle]

Maybe go not on the right side but on the left over the water?

[spare jolt]

why did they have to change the stator cost to EIB for Power Storage? it's not like you, y'know, don't have stators when you get to oil, and at least stators had a use. now they're just an ingredient :(

this was exactly the reason i stored stators in my previous 1.0 playthrough, because by the habit i thought they're needed for power storages

[vast jungle]

Stator is also without an alt, right? Maybe someone is mobbing the stators?

[ember fractal]

yeh, stators are kinda useless now, except for maybe nuclear

[spare jolt]

quickwire stator

[heavy gust]

power storage was a bit to expensive

[spare jolt]

no, i mean for building. stators were used to build solely power storages and for motors, but now they're just a motor ingredient

[spare jolt]

5 stators per each is not really expensive, considering you mostly need those for geothermals only

it's not factorio where you need a shitton of them for solar fields

[edgy leaf]

power storages are useful for other things

[heavy gust]

they are still espensive as is

[spare jolt]

how so? can't those things be replaced with more generators?

[edgy leaf]

the most annoying ingredient is the wire, I can't fit enough in my DD

[heavy gust]

well not expensive, but you need a lot of inventory space

[spare jolt]

dimensional depot:

[heavy gust]

putting down 2 layers of 6x6 of them is all the space my inventory has

[edgy leaf]

I plan to add power storages to all my factories so I can isolate them from the grid when necessary for troubleshooting

[heavy gust]

yes do you have 12k wire on your depot?

i dont

[spare jolt]

why do you need 120 power storages?...

[heavy gust]

to at least somewhat match my power usage?

[edgy leaf]

yea you need a lot to get 2twh

[spare jolt]

if only that, maybe, but i usually don't have such troubles

[edgy leaf]

which is what I want to have eventually

[edgy leaf]

you probably don't keep your grid perfectly flat because you're not insane

I however am insane

[spare jolt]

but if your usage is lower or matches production, you don't need them...

[heavy gust]

i dont use geothermal, cant stand the grid not being flat

[tidal dock]

IMO, just use priority switch and divide your factory out of main grid and you won't ever need power storage, power storage now a day is used for countering the sine wave of Geothermal.

[edgy leaf]

doesn't work for troubleshooting with interdependent factories

[spare jolt]

i don't, i just quintuple or even sixtuple check everything before starting the factory and while i'm building it

[edgy leaf]

yea like I said we have different standards

[tidal dock]

but for power storage, I like it use less wire in exchange of other materials.

[tidal dock]

what do you mean by that?

[edgy leaf]

let's say my max consumption is 26123MW, but my consumption is 26023MW

that means somewhere, 100mw of buildings are inactive

if you have a dozen factories it'd be useful to be able to disconnect them from the main grid to perform a binary search until you've narrowed it down to the specific factory

however if you have different factories that depend on each other you can't just turn some off, because the others will starve

[tidal dock]

yah, that's how I have my factory setup, each factory is behind a priority switch.

oh, nvm. I see your point now.

[vapid gorge]

probably a good indication rail isn't great there

[thorn trellis]

ofc it isnt but i love making my life harder

so im gonna do it anyway

[edgy leaf]

yea I wouldn't recommend what I'm doing to anyone else, but it's the right thing for my usecase

[neat crest]

Wait, is Quartz Purification actually bad on balance? It looked like the most complex recipe so I figured the gains were best from it but it seems like it makes a shitload of unnecessary silica and poor output on crystals

[tidal dock]

Silica has a lot of good use in endgame factory. you can use it to make more aluminum,plutonium rod chain, and crystal disc and something else. forgot.

[prisma kraken]

its meant to be used primarily for insulated oscillater. the silica kicked off is good for making HSC's or to feed into aluminum

i'm personally struggling with how to massage what it makes into what i need and it kind of does seem that it always ends up being too much/too little of one or the other

[magic island]

I've yet to find a recipe chain that matches the ratio given by Purification/Distillation

[neat crest]

It would be better if it was rebalanced more toward crystals imo

[prisma kraken]

but you're making more silica and crystal from raw than you'd make with cheap silica and pure crystal combined (or using less raw for same amt of output), so it ends up being a logistics problem to get the overflow to where you need it

[magic island]

Silica is good though. Nothing wrong with a nice high yield of Silica

the point of the recipe is that you get a substantial yield of both items, with the tradeoff that you can't pick the ratio. The yield is still fantastic.

[vapid gorge]

clip them through the mountains then

[prisma kraken]

what i find funny is how much of a pain nitric acid is to make - it's only a smelter, constructor and 2 blenders, but jeez, it is always a 'i don't feel like deeling with that yet' sort of thing

[thorn trellis]

i could technically

[tidal dock]

I was looking at crystal + limestone and there isn't enough so now, I'm looking at the Quartz Purification chain.

[vapid gorge]

well you get more crystal+silica output per raw quartz overall?

[prisma kraken]

yeah, that's the other bonus of purification is it doesn't take a biome's worth of limestone

[vapid gorge]

I think you get about as much crystal from the same amount of raw + somewhat less silica if you were processing the raw jsut for it. So... great yield if you need both.
use all the electronic recipes that need crystal and silica

[prisma kraken]

idk if you've ever done a big cheap silica build, but marshalling the limestone becomes a project unto itself

[vapid gorge]

I'd imagine it's mostly about getting to arrive at about the same spot and smooshing them? annoying sure but not awful

[prisma kraken]

ehh, at least back in the mk5 max days, getting the full miners split into the right amts was always a logistical ugly

always had to do something trick with load balancing train car output

iirc, it takes 7 pure limestone nodes to process 4 pure quartz?

i guess it would be 5:3 (recpie ratio) if you wanted it exact, but chances are you want bigger/smaller

the recipe itself isn't fun either as it is one of the dreaded 7's

[tidal dock]

I need more for my plan. I'm thinking of building around 120 NPP and need resources to recycle wastes.

funny, enough. the least planned usage resources in my current playthrough is oil. Maybe, I should setup some more Diluted Oil PWR Plant.

[prisma kraken]

woohoo, i finally got the nuke hog near the cliffside bauxite in titan forest, the f***er just kept glitching through the ground every time i tried

+1 kill for nuke nobelisks

(my doggos have been good to me)

that's one bug i kind of wish they'd fix. it isn't bad enough to make it into the top 5 or anything, but it sure is annoying

[bleak ivy]

is this a known visual bug?

machines have the idle light when i move away from them but theyre completely saturated with ingredients, and it reverts to green after a few seconds

[thorn trellis]

maybe its between products or smt idk

[prisma kraken]

do you have multiple power grids separated by switches?

[bleak ivy]

this one is connected to the main grid

[prisma kraken]

what about the train lines?

[bleak ivy]

the same

i was thinking it was just an animation bug

[prisma kraken]

idk, but there is something when the hoverpack needs to connect to different grids where it causes a pause

[bleak ivy]

oh yeah that is it

odd

[prisma kraken]

yeah, it's annoying for sure

[bleak ivy]

i guess im wrong about the train line

[prisma kraken]

i kind of avoid putting switches in until i'm nearing completion of a factory because of it

i can't say for sure what the exact power topology is that causes it all, but i've run into it when the hoverpack is bouncing btw power and train lines

[bleak ivy]

its because on my train lines the pillars have lights on them so their power had a light control panel in the network

[prisma kraken]

hah, that would probably do it

[bleak ivy]

i think i messed up the wiring and it was also powering the station lol

[thorn trellis]

is it possible to clip through walls longer then a rail

[prisma kraken]

no, but it is possible to make a rail long enough to clip a wall through

[zenith hare]

I have two car stops, one for dumping off coal, the other for picking up sulfur. The problem is, my coal runner keeps picking up sulfur when all I want him to do is drop off coal and go back, and my sulfur runner keeps dropping off sulfur in the coal box

[prisma kraken]

the trucks are entering the other station's hitbox which is pretty big, you need to space the stations farther apart. one of the logistics nightmares with vehicles, sorry!

[thorn trellis]

wym

[prisma kraken]

nb: the station hitbox is something like a 3x3 square - much bigger than the buildable itself

[prisma kraken]

just advocating building things in reverse order

[thorn trellis]

im confused what u mean

[prisma kraken]

i wasn't really sure of what you were asking to begin with

you build a wall and should be able to clip a rail through it, idk

bizarre questions get bizarre answers 🙂

[thorn trellis]

i mean like mountains sorry

large mountains can i clip through them

[prisma kraken]

you can if you can place the endpoint on the other side

if you know how to get under the map and navigate there (harder than you'd think), you can sometimes drag a rail through terrain and under

some people spend a lot of time building under the map layers and learn where the easy places to pull stuff through terrain are, but there's a lot of trial & error learning with it, and until 1.0's release, it was constantly changing

i spent a day or two taking a look around under the map after 1.0's release and can say i didn't really find any compellingly great spots with it

some places like the void hole are solid barries under the map and there's no easy way to build through walls like that

i was able to build out a foundation bridge that gave me a pretty good tour of the entire world, and probably the easiest place i found to get down and up is through the floor of the central uranium cave next to the void

idk if that helps you at all, but that's about the extent of what i found

[worn heath]

For those that are well versed in trains can y'all talk to me about your goals for a train system? How precise are your timings? Like is keeping 100% efficiency end to end in the system a reasonable goal? If not, how are you calculating the throughput for receiving systems?

[leaden cosmos]

I make it so the throughput exceeds my needs, travel time and throughput are coupled for trains
If a loop needs multiple trains then i make sure i leave enough line before the station for both to queue at

[heavy gust]

heat fused frame doesnt apear to be saving any resources?
is it just to have higher production speed?

costs more if anything

[worn heath]

Is that Fandom? @deft lichen 🤣

[edgy leaf]

it saves on alu

[heavy gust]

no

its .gg

[spare jolt]

It's not, fandom looks differently

[worn heath]

Damn 😢

[edgy leaf]

normal casings gave 2 ingot to 3 casing, with copper it's 15 to 20. both is worse than 50 ingots

[heavy gust]

no point in taking it then

fuel also seems a bit random

[edgy leaf]

you trade water, iron, oil and maybe nitrogen (I forgor) for aluminum

[heavy gust]

its not even more aluminum efficient if you use alclad casing

[edgy leaf]

it is

20 ingots to 15 casings, you need 50 casings

oh I had it the wrong way around in my message

[heavy gust]

you dont use part/minute for calculations?

what kind of witchcraft is that

[edgy leaf]

normal with alclcad uses 66.66, normal with normal uses 75 and heat uses 50

[heavy gust]

right

but hardly worth the trouble

[tidal dock]

it's not worth the trouble if you just want to go through game. if you want to maximize usage of raw resources then it's well worth it.

[heavy gust]

but it only reduces alu usage, nitrogen goes up, fuel isadded

[wind spade]

"Worth" depends on individual player

What if they wabt to reduce bauxite usage?

[deft lichen]

what's going on here?

[worn heath]

I was wrong

that is all

[prisma kraken]

nitrogen & nitric acid are far cheaper to make

[worn heath]

I'm doing the Train tutorial map. I don't understand the sign to the left.

If there is no slip, how does the train pass the other?

[prisma kraken]

for top level components (i.e. phase 4 and 5 stuff), you really can 'win' the game with just a single machine making each of them, if you are trying to scale out production and wish to build bigger than that, horse trading resources for resources becomes important - both for logistic simplicity and also because resources like bauxite become rather tight

if you're looking to make 60 pasta/min, the difference btw default fmf and heat fused ends up being 1000 ingots/min and that does get rather compelling considering you also need to make rcu's next to the fmf's

[heavy gust]

i soon will have made 1k pasta using one clocked down machine

[pulsar notch]

60 pasta/min is a terrifying number of copper ingots per minute

[tidal dock]

does this looks right for Train throughput calculation?

[wind spade]

!wikisearch Train_Throughput

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Train_Throughput

[proper laurel]

Aight so I’m designing a long-term storage facility for radioactive products (don’t ask why I’m planning on storing radioactive material) so I need to know before I get cracking on actually making nuclear products
How many can be poured into the Awesome Sink in case of excess?

[tidal dock]

thanks, forgot we have that there.

[violet halo]

in this reference the stop is away from the main line.

[proper laurel]

I know it’s not many but I don’t know which ones exactly

[violet halo]

The train is pulling off to get to the station.

[oblique hollow]

trains are programmed to bypass stations that are not on their timetable.
Hence they can only pass each other if one goes to the station and the other one doesnt

[wind spade]

afaik anything uranium except uwaste, nothing plutonium except fuel rods

[proper laurel]

Ok so just 4 then.
I thought there were 9, so my storage building for them doesn’t need to be as cramped as it actually is

[sonic gust]

hey guys. is it known what would be the best way to harvest 1 - 1.5 TW of power when you want to mine out the map and maximize sink points?

like what % of it should be nuclear and what should be turbo/rocket fuel?

[amber jacinth]

Depends on how much you want to maximize sink points

Doing the typical 50.4 uranium rods would give you more than enough power

[patent blaze]

50.4 lmao

thats a lot

i just placed the first manufacturers for making 28,8 and i thought that was overkill

[sonic gust]

from my calculations with rocket fuel 750 GW would cost: 474 sulfur / min | 474 coal / min | 500 nitrogen / minute | 125 water / min (lol) | 62 iron ore / min | 1348 crude oil / minute

[amber jacinth]

50.4 is the max with no converters involved- aka pre-1.0 nuclear

[sonic gust]

that is so cheap for 750 GW I cant imagine nuclear can really hold up against taht ressource efficiency?

for the most part at least.

[oblique hollow]

nuclear costs other stuff, mostly steel and such

[wind spade]

100%/0%

[oblique hollow]

nuclear is a lot cheaper in regards to sulfur than turbofuel

[violet halo]

Nuclear is in the TW at that stage I imagine.

[oblique hollow]

and rocket fuel... might just be decent enough

[sonic gust]

nothing is decent enough, lategame is lategame 😄 let me put in the numbers for nuclear.

750 GW too just for comparison, easy to scale up of course

[wind spade]

also - maxing the map will probably put your pc on fire

[amber jacinth]

630 GW from 50.4 rods

[oblique hollow]

750 MW is like 30% of one nuke

[violet halo]

Is that 50.4 pre slooping the outputs?

[patent blaze]

i think rocket fuel is overpowered tbh

[oblique hollow]

yes thats the pre-1.0 limit

[amber jacinth]

50.4 is with U8 tech

[patent blaze]

2400 crude and some nitrogen and boom 480GW

[violet halo]

I only have 1.0 experience, thus the question.

[desert oxide]

I did 50/m Uranium Fuel Rods, converting waste to plut fuel rods and sinking. Then with 4x matrixed APA it makes just shy of 1.4tw

[amber jacinth]

Slooping nuclear comes with its own issues, however- waste management being the big one.

[sonic gust]

well i am now crunching the numbers for waste free of course. we are all gentlemen here, no need for waste

[amber jacinth]

With converters, you can get up to like, 240 uranium rods with no waste lol

[patent blaze]

thats insane lol

[verbal stream]

I put this in the wrong channel, thoughts on this?

[patent blaze]

what would it be if you make all the waste into plutonium rods

[sonic gust]

oh I think I am an idiot. I forgot a zero on the fuel generator and everything should be 10* what i said

[patent blaze]

cause that stuff takes a lot of materials

[wind spade]

numbers are reasonable, recipe choices depend on your preferences 🤷

[verbal stream]

im aware on alternates, im relatively new, so ill worry about that stuff later when i feel its more necessary 👍

[sonic gust]

4740 sulfur / min | 4740 coal / min | 5000 nitrogen / minute | 1250 water / min (lol) | 620 iron ore / min | 13480 crude oil / min ||||| = 750 GW

[autumn relic]

getting these dips in power from my new power plant

[patent blaze]

1250 water seems extremely low

[autumn relic]

i have the ratios correct

anyway easy way to stop this?

[patent blaze]

check the generators see what they're missing

[sonic gust]

ah well I didnt put in alt recipes, right @patent blaze

[patent blaze]

then trace the problem backwards

[sonic gust]

thats just clean vanilla recipes

[autumn relic]

theyre missing fuel

but like i said its all a perfect ratio so idk why

[patent blaze]

are they still filling up?

it took 2 hours for my rocket fuel generators to fill up properly

[autumn relic]

ok it hasnt quite been two hours

should i just ignore it for now? the dips seem to be getting fewer and farther between

[eager solar]

are all the pipes full?

[autumn relic]

no

[verbal stream]

its kind of like waiting for coal to back up in coal power plants

i would just wait

[patent blaze]

they wont be full until all the generators have liquid in them

[amber jacinth]

Considering max crude is 12600... even with alts, it would use most of that up

[eager solar]

then trying to get the whole system flooded first, that can cause flow rate issues otherwise

[autumn relic]

so just let it ride?

[waxen condor]

will this work if a train is in the crosspath of the trainway ?

[autumn relic]

what if i added a fluid buffer?

never messed with them

[eager solar]

buffers are just asking for yet more problems

[autumn relic]

lmao yeah sounds like it

masking the problem

[amber jacinth]

If your generators are starved, the buffers should stay empty

No point in using them there

[oblique hollow]

what kind of power plant.
fuel gens? coal gens?

[autumn relic]

fuel

[oblique hollow]

are you maxing out a pipe by any means?

[autumn relic]

trying throwing in random pumps but they dont seem to help

[oblique hollow]

pumps dont increase flow

[autumn relic]

i am maxing one out yeah

[spare jolt]

If your ratios are correct, try to underclock some gens to 1% and let the system flood with fuel, then turn them back to 100%

[oblique hollow]

mk 2 i assume, yea?

[spare jolt]

Because full pipes are happy pipes

[autumn relic]

mk2 yes

[oblique hollow]

right. you will probably need a bypass pipe then

[autumn relic]

actually no theyre doesnt seem to be any maxed currently