math-and-meta

[indigo bloom]

that's my last resort, I have 8 of these rows so building that would be a pain in the ass

this entire thing is a pain in the ass

[noble timber]

You don't need to, you would just have to redo the belts and perhaps have some lifts

Welcome to oil 🙂

[weary flower]

don't have oil yet

[noble timber]

Try rebuilding all your pipe connections. There might be a dodgy one somewhere

[weary flower]

i just have comical amounts of solid biofuel

[indigo bloom]

been there done that

[noble timber]

If that doesn't fix it then I have no idea what else could be wrong 😂

[indigo bloom]

so so so many times

[noble timber]

Hmm

Have you looped the pipe?

[weary flower]

i have an entire storage container filled to the brim with solid biofuel so i should be good for the next year or so

[indigo bloom]

but like it cleans out for 30 seconds, then it builds up to 30, then cleans, then 48, then drops, then 10, then drops????????

[weary flower]

lemme do some math how long it'd take before i ran out of solid biofuel

[indigo bloom]

tried doing that, I've even tried splitting the pipeline into 2, then merging back at the front, but still dodgy

[noble timber]

Very strange

You aren't using fluid buffers anywhere are you?

[indigo bloom]

aint no way

no fucking way what

but it's still clogged

ah okay no lmao

[noble timber]

How many do you have?

[indigo bloom]

30 fuel gens in this set

I planned this out specifically to get 600 into 30, but NOOOOOOOO

[noble timber]

I wouldn't waste any more time on it tbh if it's only 3/4 buffering. It may just sort itself out over time.

[indigo bloom]

it's emptying out the last 2 every 5-6 cycles

it's consistently inconsistent

[carmine iron]

Hey am I the only one that can’t open the satisfactory planner tools to see the map and the new resources node ?

[noble timber]

Turn off the last fuel gen in every row and see if it stabilises and then slowly turn one on every 10 minutes or so.

[weary flower]

As of current, with 200 solid biofuel it takes about 50 minutes for one to run out, times 4

[indigo bloom]

I mean it's not a problem because it's 60GW in total for the entire plant, but ffs I built it to be perfect

[noble timber]

Website has loads of traffic, just keep refreshing

[carmine iron]

Oh ok

[indigo bloom]

the drop is 500MW out of 7.5 GW but REEEEEEE

not ficsit approved

[noble timber]

On that scale it's nearly impossible to get it perfect

The only other thing I would recommend is to get rid of mk2 pipes and just use mk1's but it is a pain

[indigo bloom]

1800 oil => 2400 HOR + 1200 resin (60 refinery)

2400 HOR + 4800 packaged water => 4800 packaged fuel (80 refinery, 16 water extractor, 80 packager)

4800 packaged fuel => 60 GW (240 fuel generator, 80 packager)
```The math checks out

I'm going to reddit maybe someone can help

[noble timber]

Good luck

[indigo bloom]

thanks

[wind spade]

keep refreshing to DDoS it even more 😛

[loud yarrow]

anyone having major issues with pipes

[indigo bloom]

scroll up lol

[dark depot]

how much does a max power shard nuclear plant take for uranium rods per min?

[noble timber]

I must be lucky with my pipes, since they were added i've only had about 3 issues, ever. 😇

[dark depot]

plant doesn't really stay until "after" you use it once

[loud yarrow]

its just since 1.0 for me

[indigo bloom]

wait a second the front refinery is also stalled

[loud yarrow]

they keep getting bugged connections and sometimes some very weird physics

[ancient oriole]

Try filling from above.

[noble timber]

Well yeah, since the packers are stalling your whole system will now begin to backup.

[ancient oriole]

Filling from below is more likely to cause issues

[indigo bloom]

definitely filled from above

[noble timber]

Do the same for the fuel gens

[loud yarrow]

trying to do a starter aluminum but the pipes bugging out are a nightmare

[weary flower]

With 3940 Solid Biofuel as of current, and 15 seconds to burn one, that nets me with approx. 16 and a half hours of fuel, or about 4 hours per biomass burner
Is my math anywhere within the ballpark of accurate or am I wrong somewhere?

[indigo bloom]

OH OH OH it's fuel canister hold on maybe that's it

[loud yarrow]

oil and water pipes keep breaking for no reason

[ancient oriole]

Try moving the fuel gens down a block

[noble timber]

Actually yeah that will probably fix it

What is probably happening is when your gens fill and stop accepting fuel there's a bit of backflow back into the main pipe

[indigo bloom]

but the backflow should move to the next generators since pressure is higher behind

each pipe is successively more empty so it should run along

I mean I can try but I doubt that's an issue

[noble timber]

Yeah but the backflow prevents fuel from the pipe behind from flowing in so the flowrate is effectively less

[indigo bloom]

true dat, lemme try

[weary flower]

I think my math checks out

[wind spade]

game doesn't have pressure

[weary flower]

here it is not on its side

[analog frigate]

wait what.... dismatle crate where I've never been?

[noble timber]

Seems to be a common bug right now

[analog frigate]

and what is there?

[noble timber]

🤷‍♂️

Go and have a look

[indigo bloom]

it's effectively pressure

[analog frigate]

what the hell

[weary flower]

what coordinates is it at?

5 bucks says it's at 0,0

[urban kite]

yeah i tihnk i have one crate at 0,0,0 too 😦

[urban kite]

are there updated map editors for 1.0? like does calculator work?

[weary flower]

yeah my guess is that the game bugged out and threw something at the 0,0 coordinate

[analog frigate]

yeah it's 00

[weary flower]

close enough

[indigo bloom]

I think everything besides changing conveyors works

[urban kite]

cool i just wanna delete this stupid crate on my hud

[indigo bloom]

be sure to backup your save

🤞

arguably also looks cooler

[weary flower]

yeah it was the 0m altitude that threw me there

[main thicket]

whats the new recipe for the supercomputer?

[wind spade]

!wikisearch supercomputer

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=supercomputer

[weary flower]

Why the hell did my power consumption spike here?

[noble timber]

Your max consumption is higher than your capacity

[weary flower]

Yes

I know that
But why did it spike beyond my max capacity?

[wind spade]

because you were using too much power?

[weary flower]

Yeah, I'm asking what spiked it
I didn't do anything that could've caused it to spike like that

[wind spade]

machines that started at the same time or whatever

[noble timber]

Because some machines came online

[weary flower]

Oh wait I think I know why it spiked

Eh I think it's fine for now

No need to mess with it now, it works just fine

[ancient oriole]

Get more power, surpass that max consumption

[noble timber]

Clearly not if it just went out 😂

[weary flower]

One-time occurance

[noble timber]

Build abother bio burner and it will be fine

[weary flower]

MOTHERFUCKER

[noble timber]

It will happen again if you run everything

[wind spade]

if all your machines run, you need 130 MW
you can only make 120 MW

obviously the situation will happen

[weary flower]

Okay perhaps I should look into that

[indigo bloom]

you can temporarily disconnect a part of your grid if you have enough items stored

[weary flower]

This seems better

[noble timber]

Literally build 1 more bio burner and it will not happen again

[weary flower]

Yeah I have 6

But I usually have 4 at work for efficiency reasons

[indigo bloom]

get a lot more and automate them, they're 100% efficient actually

biomass burners will drop consumption when not needed

[weary flower]

Anyways, I put one of the biomass burners at 50% capacity

[noble timber]

You don't need to do that. Bio burners scale with demand

[indigo bloom]

^

[weary flower]

True but also seeing the blue and gray line line up makes me feel funny inside

I find it quite...

satisfactory

[indigo bloom]

I find it quite satisfactory being able to build a machine without tripping the fuse

[warm wren]

Well now I'm just perplexed I actually didn't need to do the loop back for water on aluminum because I actually needed concrete, so I sunk the water into concrete creation... so this is just a straight set of 525 water going into some refineries... but the water is backing up and not getting there... there's no elevation changes... there's plenty of pipe space... I dunno...

[indigo bloom]

AMEN (the dips are from the othe set of generators, dw bout this one it works) thanks for the help guys

now to rebuild the pipes.. 7 times, WOOOOOOOO

[stone shadow]

After the fuel generator changes does anyone know what the new burn rate for turbo fuel is in generators?

[indigo bloom]

7.5 I think?

[river night]

20 for fuel, 7.5 for turbo

[stone shadow]

Thanks

[white bloom]

@deft lichen alright, it was harder than I thought but I got results now on Production Amplifier optimization:
You'd always want to spread out your somersloops across all buildings running a certain recipe that you want to boost. Yes, that means you have to overclock more buildings for the maximum yield increase, but that's still cheaper in power cost at the end of the day for the same yield.
The only reason why you would start stacking up multiple in the same machines is input scarcity, and then too an even distribution is best, so that's covered by the spreading out mantra.
@wind spade that suggests we may account for production amplification in our solvers by pseudo recipes that cover the difference in power cost and yield from adding one somersloop, and have a fixed number of somersloops as an additional constraint input. Balancing against Power Augmentation probably comes down to brute forcing any possible number of Power Augmenters and booster Power Augmenters, which isn't so bad because it will be at most 10.

EDIT: not quite always: #math-and-meta message

[hushed oriole]

is generating about 7000 MW with fuel generators good enough or should i make the switch to turbofuel

[wind spade]

that depends what it is for

[hushed oriole]

just not worrying about energy at all

[wind spade]

it's good enough to power a factory that needs 6900 MW
it's not good enough to power a factory that needs 7100 MW

[white bloom]

actually, some of the finishing recipes are so condensed that even with global resources you have a lot fewer machines than there are somersloops, so the input scarcity aspect might become a very real thing, not just for alien dna capsules etc

[near sedge]

how does copper alloy ingot take less resources when its the same amount of ores, just split between iron.copper

[deft lichen]

Weighted cost

Also there ranked lists are often very opinionated

[wind spade]

heavily recommended to not follow tier lists blindly

they are very often opinionated based on OP's preferences

[near sedge]

only looking at those when I get 2 things out of hardrive that both seem not super great

[edgy leaf]

then leave them be to block out both for future hard drives

[wind spade]

look at this instead #math-and-meta message

[river night]

of course the idea there is that iron is more plentiful then copper, which i suppose is true, but if you want to use it would still depend on the resources you have at hand when building a particular factory

[hollow wave]

A method by which to efficiently "maximize" and "mess-ify" the length of a belt instead of minimizing it --- i.e., LGIO-mode.
This is here because I can't send pictures in my response in #satisfactory and this is where it best fits as an "algorithm"

[royal yacht]

hmmmm yeah that's true I guess

[hollow wave]

picking a different seed for random directions with each belt placement would mean consistency in sizing for each leg, but randomness overall

[leaden depot]

Holy cow, rocket fuel alt seems super efficient for power. If my calcs are right I can get 1200 fuel (72GW) from only 300 crude, 800 sulfur, 600 n2 and some coal.

And it’s a way simpler layout than turbo

[silver aurora]

how effecient would it be if you tried to run all your power from the same splot like does distance break pipes and such with loading issues ect?

[leaden depot]

I’ve not had issues with long pipes really. It’s junctions and machines that cause issues with sloshing usually.

[silver aurora]

and is it better to not over clock production seems to be common concensus here so far that i have read.

I know last time i set up I had to overclock water pumps especially adding more just really didnt work

[leaden depot]

Overclocking gives you the same result for fewer machines at the cost of exponentially increased power. I do it a lot because I over produce power, and don’t like wasting space

Miners are the only thing you really need to overclock strictly speaking. Any constructor you can just build more of

Especially when doing nuclear, you need a lot of water. I always overclock those so 2 water extractors feed one 250% nuke plant

[hollow wave]

technically you can use exponentially less power by underclocking as well

2 constructors clocked at 50% use less power than one clocked at 100%, correct?

[leaden depot]

I think so, but eww

[river night]

that does look like a decent and easy fuel plant, only that you need to still make 288 generators 😄

[leaden depot]

I can get 4 gens in a 5x5 blueprint now though 🙂

[silver aurora]

did they fix the snaping together issue or we still need a mod to get them to snap well

[river night]

pipes belts or rails dont snap over blueprints

[hollow wave]

yea if you use 5 buildings with clock speed 20, the power usage is 60% of what it would have been

[analog frigate]

when using satisfactory tools, you guys round up or down? 16.54 or 16.53?

[muted crypt]

you can set the machine to an exact number

your partial wire constructor is making 16, in this case

[analog frigate]

53.34 I guess

[manic nexus]

Anyone know how to make a load balancer that can take 150 out of 240?

[wind spade]

machines? up

[analog frigate]

damn now I'm making too much ahaha

[wind spade]

well you can, but generally we just use a single splitter and let it self-balance

[wind spade]

you're not, because you're still giving it only 30

[hollow wave]

split two way, two way, two way until you have 8x30 lines, combine 5 of them back into a single 150 line and 3 of them into a single 90 line

[hollow geyser]

how many smelters can i use for a single miner mk 1?

[silver aurora]

is it worth doing something like that

[hollow wave]

i realized after i drew this that you can remove two of the splitters; it's marked accordingly

[wind spade]

depends on recipes and purity. Open the machines and see what they need/make

[hollow geyser]

just from iron ores miner mk1 to smelting iron ingots

[wind spade]

yeah, open machines and see what they need

[hollow geyser]

1 iron ore for 1 iron ingot, wondering how many smelters would make it the most efficient for a single miner

[wind spade]

the machine also tells you per minute rates

which you can use to calculate that

[hollow geyser]

would you calculate 60/30?

[wind spade]

yeah

[silver aurora]

oh hey so I know you can hit a button to lock in buildings to the grid squires is it better to do that or just free place things

[hollow geyser]

so 2 smelters is the best for 1 mk1 miner?

based off that?

[dark lava]

is 6/min hmfs enough for building? ik building costs got reworked in 1.0 a bit so idk if its enough or not

[hidden moth]

whats a good ratio of water extractors to coal gens

[dark lava]

3:8

[hidden moth]

ok thanks

[magic lotus]

I have been 2 hours looking onto why the heck my fuses went down everytime just to see that coal needed water, to pump water, electricity, and to produce electricity, coal

I really hope I can leave behind coal soon

[gusty edge]

Is there a way to make it stop flickering?

[sand epoch]

If coal is that hard for you.. you will hate what comes next

Coal is basic

[magic lotus]

Not that is hard, just annoying because if a fuse goes down I need to break the cycle somehow till I restore the water

[muted marlin]

Its texture fighting there’s no way to “fix it” per se as they aren’t supposed to be together

Pretty sure you hit or hold e to cycle

[near sedge]

also wrong channel sry

[gusty edge]

Yeah I know, on simple textures that don t happen

[sand epoch]

Power switches are your friend

Also batteries

[magic lotus]

I dont have them unlocked yet and didnt know they existed, must try them as soon as I unlock them

[shadow kite]

random thought: if you absolutely had to use "wet concrete", would you prefer transporting water or limestone by train? (assume no other factors exist)

[silver aurora]

the coupon store has some things you can put down to break power that are really handy if you incorporate them.

[teal monolith]

Wire as many of your coal gens as needed to a separate local grid, that powers ALL the infrastructure needed to keep the whole plant running. Typically 2x generators (150Mw) is enough to cover a basic 16x coal gen setup, the 6x extractors, 3x pumps & 2x mk1 miners feeding mk2 belts. This way, if you blow your fuse, the plant still powers itself enough to easy restart

[shadow kite]

don't forget abut the MAM. it hides something useful too

[silver aurora]

lol that thing hides alot of stuff. been a while since i played so learning whats in there again.

[shadow kite]

||light switch in shop, regular power switch in mam, i forget where priority switches are||

[muted marlin]

Debating if I should allow some trains — so I was wondering if trucks are good at transporting from very long distances — building the highway wouldn’t be an issue just the travel time I worry about — thinking about using trucks for all the nearby transport and using trains to bus in the large quantities of raw materials— basically wondering if that’ll work out how I plan it

[magic lotus]

Yeah that's what I did after 2 hours of looking what could be the problem. At first I thought the game would prioritize the water pumping, but I discovered the hard way that it doesnt work like that

[wide lava]

How do you guys deal with the new Dimensional Depots? So for example, I want to make Iron Rods to use in Rotors, but I also want to put Iron Rods in the depot itself. How do I deal with this?

[elfin bridge]

smart splitters

[heady shale]

iron pipes, copper rotor or reroll
fine concrete, charcoal or reroll

[muted marlin]

So I overproduce rods pull off whatever I need to go into the rotors and run the excess into my storage — run a smart splitter off on overflow and overflow into the depot — personally I like this layout

[proven spire]

fine concrete is great if u start gras lands with the nearby quartz in the east imo

[wind spade]

again, see #math-and-meta message

[elfin bridge]

if you have a build up of rods you can set the smart splitter to overflow so your factory is still working 100%

[proven spire]

waiting for that atm to set up my steel production in bigger scale

[heady shale]

just looking for other peoples opinions

[wind spade]

I mean, how does that help?

they don't know your playstyle, so they can't know what you prefer

[hidden moth]

so im following the mk 2 pure and i have my 16 coal gens and 6 water extractors, does anyone have any advice on where i should put splitters on both the pipeline and coal conveyors

[wind spade]

belts (M = miner, S = splitter)

   |  |  |  |
M--S--S--S--S
   |  |  |  |

pipes (G = gen, E = extractor)

  G  G  G  G
E-+--+--+--+
E-+
E-+--+--+--+
  G  G  G  G

there's obviously more ways to do so, you can do anything really

[hidden moth]

thanks

[worthy karma]

how's my setup?

[heady shale]

i just want other peoples opinions before i make a stupid decison ok ;-;

[wind spade]

there's no stupid decision though

you can still get the other recipe and you can get all the recipes anyway

[sweet blade]

Ok, pre Phase 3, what is the best item to sink to earn tickets?

[wind spade]

@winged veldt see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[orchid oriole]

if i make 5 modular engines a min what's the equation to find out when its done ?

[hidden moth]

im gonna geuss each of those splitters goes to 2 gens?

[heavy gust]

spent 10 hours to do factory for phase 3 part with some extra computers, heavy modular frames and such.
If i had better blueprints it would have taken half that time...

[edgy leaf]

make better blueprints!

[heavy gust]

I used like 10 different alt recepies since it saves on ressources, but thst only made the time investment worse

[vapid gorge]

whatever you have on hand

[indigo lily]

how do i add a blueprint to a specific category im losing my mind

[wide lava]

Sorry for the late reply. So if Im trying to do this, the main factory line is the normal line, and the line connected to the depot is the overflow line right?

[feral estuary]

not so much about if this is super duper efficient but like, will having a line of stops like this work? or will it just dump everything at the first one every single time?

[idle drum]

what website can I get this view from?

[clever bay]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[idle drum]

thx

[idle drum]

does it allow over clocking?

[clever bay]

no. Just divide the machines by 2.5 or keep everything at 100%

FYI I found my numbers https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=7dUF1W0fH6b37bFT2Eny

[wet palm]

Hi all! Question - whats like the best way to use satisfactorytools.com .. like how should i know how to setup splitters/mergers based on the info on the diagrams? I seem to lack proper usage of splitters and mergers. Anyone know of good YT vids on this with satisfactorytools?

[unborn ermine]

From what I remember, just cutting anything you want to do into smaller bits and having multiple "factory chains" or production lines as its called.

[wet palm]

thanks but is it better to do manifold lines over 10 contstructors or balancing all 10?

[desert oxide]

Utilize manifolds wherever possible, load balance is just for pretty doesnt add functionality.

For the logistics.. take the number of items to move, divide by maximum belt speed available and split outputs/inputs accordingly. To move 2100 with Mk5 belt (2100/780=2.7) means you need at least 3 belts. You can split and merge for non-linear inputs by spilling from belt 1 into belt 2 after some machines have used from either belt consolidating longer bus lines knowing that with 3 belts there is a capacity of 2340. To keep it small use smallest conveyor lift via stacking a splitter and merger top and attach via lift directly. Essentially - just believe in the manifold and ignore individual machine inputs and think of it as a continuous string of inputs.

[unborn ermine]

My brain only has the patience to manifold.
filling a machine and belt beforehand makes it "balanced"

[wet palm]

when it comes to manifolds, usally there is only 1 input and then splits over 10 machines example, so the input has to be like a big tier belt otherwise it would get clogged, right?

[unborn ermine]

I cant remember if its the "right way" but I like using one belt thats slightly faster than needed, then splitting off with the proper belt speed.

[wet palm]

i see

[wet palm]

love this answer! thank you so much

[desert oxide]

Input of 432, means you must use Mk4 belts - correct. As long as the previous step output equals or beats the next step input, the manifold will always fill given the belt speed and capacity is not oversaturated

[wet palm]

ok so how would i handle this step for example of i only have up to tier two belts

[calm mauve]

Mk2 belts is 120

[wet palm]

oh gotcha, so that would suffice for 97.5/min

[grim fog]

Hi does anyone know if the new molded recipe for steel beams and pipes worth doing?

[calm mauve]

yup

[round nacelle]

Hello I was wondering if the Pipes have the same behavior like the Belts when splitting them witch a pipe junction? Im new to the game

[unborn ermine]

if you have limestone thats not being used, I dont see why not to use it.

[calm mauve]

pipes are not like belts, they flow in both directions

[round nacelle]

so if i use mk1 pipes and split them into 4 pipes they still flow with 300 m^3/min ?

[calm mauve]

that would be the max but the supply would also be limited to 300. so that 300 would split up when it gets the the junction

[round nacelle]

so that means 300/4

[wind spade]

also, the arrow doesn't mean "one belt with 97.5", but "between those two machines, you need to transport total of 97.5"

you can very much connect machines 1:1 or whatever

[ancient plinth]

if i upg my depot stuff to the max, how many mercer spheres would i have left to place depots?

[desert oxide]

More optimization possible by calculating the point at which to no longer use Mk2 belts to feed the manifold, but the blue line should be Mk2 and machine connections can be Mk1

[wind spade]

like 200

[desert oxide]

Also, clock the final smelter and constructor to make it run at 100% including the ore input

[ancient plinth]

ty

[calm mauve]

at that point you would need to check the demand down each branch. if the demand is over 300 the pipe will drain and nothing will work very well

[wet palm]

would it not get clogged right here?

[wind spade]

if the belt is slower than the amount of items needed to go through there, yes

[wind spade]

but also just hook them 1:1 lol

[round nacelle]

so is it when the 300 pipe mk1 go into the junction they get out with the 300 output

[wet palm]

it calls for 5.875 smelters to 6.5 constructors . thats not 1:1 is it??

[wind spade]

you can clock machines

[wet palm]

assuming no clock..

[wind spade]

also the 5.875 smelters is for 6.5 constructors and something else, there's another arrow

[calm mauve]

if the supply => then the demand you will probably be fine. But if the Supply is less then its going to suck

[wet palm]

Isee that, but what makes it obvious it could be 1:1 ?

[round nacelle]

yea ik i just wanted to know if my supply doesnt get end up divided by 4 thats all i wanna know

[wind spade]

well ingot smelter makes 30
rod constructor needs 15
you can do 1:2

[wet palm]

ok so not 1:1

[calm mauve]

pipes junctions are not like a belt splitter where it will send a certain amount down each branch. Fluids in pipes flow in all the directions. If the supply and demand is fine, then let the pipes fill up first then turn the machines on

[wet palm]

thank you greeny and gunter for the help. i think im starting to get my head around this now.. know any good YT vids that expands on this more?

about to start Phase 2 so im trying to rebuild my factory more efficiently for it

[round nacelle]

ah so there was my big mistake i never let them fill up thanks and how do i know when i need to use pumps is it only for vertical transportation?

[wind spade]

no I just looked at screenshot and saw 6 machines of each

but then looked at the plan before and saw that you actually need more

[wet palm]

its 6 and 7 tho

[calm mauve]

pumps add headlift

[round nacelle]

so just for vertical transportation?

[calm mauve]

yup

[desert oxide]

With belt speeds included, again - more optimal belt layout possible but trying to illustrate more than anything. This type of arrangement applies to everything in the game when you are manifolding

[round nacelle]

at any vertical height or at a specific?

[calm mauve]

you get 10m by default out of a fluid machine. then the pump adds 20m

[wet palm]

oh okay so like if i do have a "clog point" i would take one of the smelter output and go up with it

[deep geyser]

is there a ratio of water extractors to coal generators that's optimal

[wet palm]

kinda like a second layer, i see

[calm mauve]

you get an animation when placing a pump on a pipe to see how far the headlift is

[calm mauve]

8 gens to 3 extractors = 120 coal

[round nacelle]

thanks for the help

[desert oxide]

Correct, build vertically and overlap the belts, with anything you can usually spill down one level into a splitter without clipping anything

[wet palm]

thank you so much

[deep geyser]

is this bottlecapped by the mk1 pipeline (which is the only one i have atm)? capacity of 300m^3, but 8 generators would need 360 m^3

[calm mauve]

the trick is to spread the extractors out along the 8 gens

[deep geyser]

interesting

[ashen girder]

Huh. I just got the same recipe in two different hard drives in the MAM.

[calm mauve]

that does sound like the system isnt working as intended

[ashen girder]

I wonder if my pool's running low.

[calm mauve]

was the first HDD still unselected when you opened the second?

[ashen girder]

Ayup. I didn't even register it was the same recipe until I went back and picked from that one.

[calm mauve]

maybe if its down to less then two new options it will start showing duplicates

[ashen girder]

That's what I'm guessing. First time I've seen that.

[clever bay]

what's the max uranium into plutonium fuel rods that you can make?

[amber jacinth]

I mean if you want to get real funky

Definitely worth it, trust

[clever bay]

sorry I meant uranium fuel rods -> plutonium fuel rods -> ficsonium fuel rods

Uranium 50.4, then it says plutonium is 22.4 but according to satisfactory tools it doens't use all the waste

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=lfSiZBQJuFoTfZV6XNdN

[amber jacinth]

I made up this one here
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=kQK2yR3MfQCGW2rxp0k5

Notable tweaks include a limit of 4k SAM (to allow for production in other factories) and lack of a few alternate recipes to gobble up all the produced waste

Superpositions are solely produced for the high DMR conversion ratio- could definitely be swapped out for other endgame items, however. Just note more SAM would be needed.

[clever bay]

yea I need to make the other space elevator parts tho :/

Hmm ok I think this is my end game then https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=UrFbP7druHdJYXYOpJpM

[amber jacinth]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=8zg2r1fuZ1wr1Tzexila Could try this if you're really wanting to push the limits.

Make sure you follow that to a T- don't want to miss the -0x refineries!

[versed violet]

Check my math moment.
We have 30 crude oil nodes, providing 9900 oil and using 30x134.31 (=4029.3) MW of power
There are two oil wells providing total 2700 oil, and using 2x503.66 (=1007,32) MW of power
max OC assumed.
This means that oil nodes cost 0,407 MW per unit of oil, and oil wells cost ~0,373 MW per unit of oil, making them cheaper.
Did CSS change the oil wells to be more economical in 1.0?

[amber jacinth]

Yep, looks to be that way

[desert oxide]

60/m uranium fuel rod only makes 1500 waste or just sinking some of them?

[amber jacinth]

welp... I missed that one!

[clever bay]

I'm not following. 60 rods make 1500 waste per minute don't they?

[desert oxide]

No, it makes 3000

[amber jacinth]

60 rods / 0.2 /min is 300 reactors, which at 10 waste / min is 3000

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=DAkzfdFnmYMLLxqIQeCH
Here's a modified one with correct amounts this time

[desert oxide]

Just realized... the ||power matrix|| is missing from the calculator?

[cedar glen]

Can someone help me understand coal generators, I see 3 water to 8 generators but piles only allow 300m of water wouldnt 8 gen need 360?

[calm mauve]

spread the extrators out along the gens

[cedar glen]

So if I am piping I should only use 6 gen to 3 extractors?

[cinder silo]

Something like this, that way no one section of pipe tries going over 300.

[cedar glen]

Like if I am not at the water source for the generators

[boreal summit]

pipes can be any length, but it's highly recommended to belt your coal over to a water source rather than run super long pipes.

[cedar glen]

so any of those 3 setups will work from wubbits?

[boreal summit]

yes

[calm mauve]

you cn do 3 extrators to 8 gens = 120 coal

[wet palm]

Hi Gunter,

question - how would you use splitters to split the iron ingots from 6 smelters? thank you in advance.

[dim nova]

Input of 54/m wire from one side and 16/m from another, reconfigured into 40/m and 30/m

[wind spade]

single splitter 🙂

[cinder silo]

The clip I posted shows a pair of 8:3 coal plants that use the first example of layout posted by @calm mauve

[tame harbor]

Tasty

[wet palm]

what do you mean

[wind spade]

one splitter will do the job

[wet palm]

i feel like youre joking?

[wind spade]

no?

[wet palm]

6 smelters to 10 constructors .. 1 splitter?

[amber jacinth]

1 belt gets saturated, the other gets the overflow

[wet palm]

can you draw a picture? not sure i follow

[tame harbor]

1 splitter per constructor

[wet palm]

oh yeah i have that..

[wind spade]

are you asking how to split between 97.5 and 78.75?

[wet palm]

but out of 6 smelters i cant get the numbers to work. also i only have MK2 belts.

Greeny, yes

[wet palm]

yes with only MK2 belts

[calm mauve]

i would set up the correct number of smelters for the Iron rod group and a second lot for the iron plates

[wind spade]

make two groups of smelters, each one making the desired amount

@cunning horizon see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[wet palm]

sure, i need 97.5 for 1 group and 78.75 for the other. 97.5/30 = 3.25 (or 4) smelters
78.75/30 = 2.625 (or 3) smelters

Thats 7 smelters, but the screenshot shows 6 smelters.

[wind spade]

you can overclock

(and building more smelters isn't always bad)

[wet palm]

id like to figure this out without the use of overclocking

i understand

can the screenshot be done without overclocking?

using the same smelters and constructors?

[wind spade]

yes, just separate them in two groups

[wet palm]

i did that but it would then call for 7 smelters like i math'd above

[wind spade]

no, one group would make more than it needs and one smelter will have a splitter in front of it to other group

[wet palm]

yeah so thats what im trying to figure out .. exactlty what youre saying. how to make the splitters make sense with the screenshot.

[wind spade]

the way I said

[wet palm]

lets say group 1 is the 97.5 .. is that 4 smelters?

[wind spade]

how much one smelter makes?

[wet palm]

30/min

[wind spade]

and min needed for 97.5 is then?

[wet palm]

3.25 smelters (aka 4 smelters)

[wind spade]

indeed, so yeah, the group would be 4

[wet palm]

ok now lets do group 2 .. 78.75/min / 30/min = 2.625 smelters(aka 3 smelters)

in total thats 7

screenshot calls for 6

[tame harbor]

so what's the consensus on the Converters, well, conversion capabilities?

[wind spade]

no, that's the rest of the smelters, two

and one from the bigger group has a splitter in front of it

[vapid gorge]

some people like them some people think it's a cheap short cut to avoid logistics planning, in a logistics planning game

[wet palm]

id really appreciate a quick drawing or doodle.

[vapid gorge]

do you have mk3 belts?

[wet palm]

negative

[vapid gorge]

mk2 I hope/

[wet palm]

yes mk2

[vapid gorge]

have a group making 97.5 and a group making 78.75 pm

that also works

[wet palm]

thank youuu i see now

[wind spade]

they are forcing it to be 6 smelters, no clocking

[wet palm]

the splitter one is making up the difference on the two groups.. ok now i gotcha

[wind spade]

not sure why

[vapid gorge]

is there a reason why you just won't under clock?

[wet palm]

oh underclock no .. how would that help

[vapid gorge]

the 78.75 could be done by 3 smelters, one under clocked

the 97.5 could be done with 4, one under clocked

[wet palm]

thats 7 smelters tho, no?

[vapid gorge]

Yes.
why are you fixated on 6?

[wet palm]

thats what the satisfactorytools tells me

[wind spade]

it tells you that's what you need at 100% clock speed

[wet palm]

yes

i get that

[wind spade]

but you can change clock speed

[vapid gorge]

5.875 smelters isn't just 5.875 smelters

it's 587.5% processing power distributed however you like

that means you could have 587 smelters at 1% and 1x smelter at 0.5% if you wanted

[worthy karma]

is this a good setup for coal gens?

[wet palm]

i understand

[vapid gorge]

build on foundations 😛 also you can't really see how it's laid out

[vapid gorge]

ah completely missed the foundations before xD soz

seems fine? if it does the job and you're happy with it it's 'good'

if you're not happy with it then it's 'not good'

[calm mauve]

does it have 2 water gens?

[worthy karma]

yes

[calm mauve]

good good

[vapid gorge]

under and over clocking is the core mechanic in how to distribute parts in the game - it gets exponentially more complex the more steps you have in a process. You really really need to get comfy with it

[wet palm]

yeah yeah i get it, I really do. but overclocking requires the power slugs wich are not infinite. so i didnt want to rely on that

[vapid gorge]

so under clock, it costs nothing

[wind spade]

they are infinite

[vapid gorge]

also technically infinite but you have to work for them

[wind spade]

you can buy them from shop
you can make them at T9
you can get them from doggos

[wet palm]

from dogges? how?

[vapid gorge]

doggos are a grind, t9 is far away and coupons get pricey very fast. t9 is the least grindy option but far

[wind spade]

also, you don't lose the shard

and there's a few thousand of them

[wet palm]

im only startiong phase 2 so im very much new to all this. thank you for the help people

[sand epoch]

Tame them and colect their gifts

[wet palm]

ohhhh

[wind spade]

and yeah, underclocking costs nothing

[sand epoch]

Also build in a slooped constructor..doubled

[young prairie]

I'm just starting to get into trains, and i'm trying to figure out how to correctly calculate the train and depot sizes I'll need to ensure a constant transfer of material long distance. My goal is to be able to maintain 100% uptime on all my machines, especially regarding the time between the train picking up the materials, travelling to its destination, and then depostiing them. Does anyone know how to accurately calculate this ahead of time without needing to build and experiment to confirm the transfer rate?

[sand epoch]

The calculations are listed on the wiki

[hollow egret]

Here's the latest factory I'm building. I always kept to the same idea for laying out a factory - lines of machines that are followed by manifolds, which transport the result to another line of manifolds feeding the next machines. Is this efficient? Can I keep using this design or is there a better and more consistent way to laying out factories? Using this principle is getting more complex with bigger factories

[calm mauve]

dont forget verticality too

[vapid gorge]

if you don't want to get lost in the weeds with it, 1 belt per platform properly buffered generally works unless it has very long trip time

[hollow egret]

How can I use more of it here? The input raw materials are already shipped in from below, and this is just floor 1 of several. Is there a more efficient way to moving items from output manifold to input manifold, etc?

[vapid gorge]

manifolds are pretty much as compact as you can get - but it's pretty much down to personal pref - I like doing each new stage of processing on a new floor

[calm mauve]

i meant that if you going to repeat that basic design over and over you could run out of horizontal space. going up will help with that

there is 2km of up available

[young prairie]

The problem is, in some cases, I need to transport 1k/m of items

In other cases, I might be taking 1k/m of items out of an area, but need to split that unevenly across 4 different stops

Which is something else i've not figured out. If I need to take multiple inputs, combine them (which would put me above the max belt limit), and then unevenly distribute them back out into multipe outputs, how does one do that? For example, taking in 2 inputs at 360/m each, (i only have mk4 belt atm), then split them into 2 outputs, one which is 1/3 of all items, another which is the remaining 2/3

[hollow egret]

Just one stage per floor? So, is it something like this, but more complicated?

[calm mauve]

i generally build smaller and in blueprints so i dont run into that issues. if i need more stuff i place down more of the smaller BPs

[calm mauve]

thats pretty much how i do it. now just do it lots and lots more

[vapid gorge]

not even more complicated 🙂 it makes more sense once you've hit like mk2 miners and mk2/3 belts, as you'll have many machines per floor

[hollow egret]

I have already hit that, the big factory at the first screenshot is using all that "cutting-edge" tech lol

specifically that factory floor should make 10 versatile frameworks/m

[hollow egret]

So, compartmentalization? Every blueprint block produces just something of its own, has defined inputs and output locations, and then you have giant buses that link them up together?

[calm mauve]

thats how i do it. you could use trains/trucks/drones instead of a bus

[fierce ruin]

i do not know where to build my base at '

im using this interactive map but its not making sense

[calm mauve]

which biome did u start in?

[fierce ruin]

most of these places dont have any coal nearby

[calm mauve]

for example if i want to make modular frames in its blue print. i would use my RIP blueprint next to it to supply the RIP's. the rods would be made locally

[hollow egret]

Makes sense, thanks!

[wet palm]

im not sure this works out .. im getting 75 not at least 78.75

[wind spade]

it will work out once one side fills up

[wet palm]

oh it has to fill up to over flow to other ok

[wind spade]

yeah it's basically a manifold

[wet palm]

now i wait for it to all fillup 😭

[sand epoch]

Or manually prefill

[wet palm]

yeah, dont have all the resources to prefill tho. sadness

[surreal dune]

How many fuel-powered generators will 2604 Turbofuel/min fuel?

[calm mauve]

2604/7.5

then / 2.5 if you have the power shards

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Fuel-Powered_Generator

[surreal dune]

ah the burn rate, thank you. ooof i did my math way wrong i think

did they ever change what overclocking does to power?

[calm mauve]

its linear now so the only limit is how many power shards u have

[surreal dune]

oof i massively undershot the power generated i was going for lol

[surreal dune]

needed this x4

[wind spade]

@vast flame see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[vast flame]

alr thx

[vapid gorge]

go do something else and it'll be fine by the time you get back

[true cliff]

does blueprint have a function to be flipped like mirrored?

[wind spade]

@timber stump see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[sonic coyote]

the Dimensional Depot Uploader. Is there any way to have a storage container feed into the depot, but not clog if one item is full?

for example, say i have pipes, bars, and plates. the depot is full of pipes. is there any way to have all 3 in the storage container and have the bars and pipes keep flowing in?

[vapid gorge]

you can't attach a smart splitter to the end so there'll always be parts that get stuck. Thats why you do 1 item per depot

[sonic coyote]

yeah but i dont have enough mercer spheres for that many depots

no way around it? damn

thank you tho

[vapid gorge]

so you're trying this ?

[proud merlin]

i only have mark 2 belt so i cant just merg all 4 smelters

im stupid

[vapid gorge]

4 smelters at 100% make 120

[proud merlin]

yes I can

thanks

[vapid gorge]

no stress - have you unlocked clocking yet?

[proud merlin]

yes

[vapid gorge]

cool, for when you get into situations that you don't have a fast enough belt you can clock the smelters and constructors into groups that you can manage individually 🙂

clocking is the single most powerful tool in the game

[proud merlin]

wdym?

[vapid gorge]

one sec

ok so the numbers on this one aren't so clean right?

there's as bunch of ways to solve it though, but you'll need at least 2 mk2 belts to deal with it

for the iron ingots to wire - 46.647 , you could clock 1 or 2 smelters to make just that amount and then merge them into a manifold for wire

[proud merlin]

k

[vapid gorge]

and then do a manifold for hte iron plates and rods since thats under your 120

[proud merlin]

yeah thats what i do

oh i get it yeah do all that

[vapid gorge]

cool 🙂 Remember you have full control over what goes onto your belts and it's often far far easier to put on the right amounts then to try to manage it after

[proud merlin]

i was just overthinking it and forgot that i could merge my 4 smelters into one belt

[vapid gorge]

it happens 🙂

[topaz hedge]

I'm not sure what's going on here, but the tool seems to be a bit wonky.. I haven't tried clearing my cookies/cache yet but it doesn't seem to be doing any weight measurements at all.

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=SZkz1pMuEYMx9wKt0eid

[crimson fox]

Im am having trouble splitting off the necessary resources i need from a 270 belt
Idk if im being too specific with my numbers but I need to split a 270 belt into a 45, 120, and a 30 with the rest going to another belt

[topaz hedge]

it also wants to burn sam-ore right off the bat.

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=sEjCob4YABzdxPz52oTe

[topaz hedge]

have you tried building a manifold?

[calm mauve]

underclock the machines so they use the amount of input items your after down each line

[crimson fox]

you mean like just letting everything back up till everything is getting what it needs?

[vapid gorge]

what's the issue exactly?

[topaz hedge]

it's not weighing resource value, mostly.

On the top one with the 35 ballistic units, it didn't bother with the nuclear chain at all.

other than the uranium fuel rods.

[vapid gorge]

it has it's own weigting system - imo it's infinitely better to manually choose which recipes you want to use as it has no idea about your pref

[topaz hedge]

Alright, so when I check pure iron, I would expect it to use pure iron, but there's no change at all until I deselect iron ingot.

It used to.

[pallid spoke]

738.7 💀

[vapid gorge]

can't control the weight the system has - specify 😄

[topaz hedge]

I'm not trying to be the guy that complains when free software doesn't work. it feels like it. and I'm sorry.. I owe greeny a coffee for all the work he's done.

[vapid gorge]

oh no not coming off like that, just gotta adjust how you go about it

I never liked how tools chose recipes and wanted to design factories based on locations with specific resources

so I've always turned on only 1 recipe type at once

[topaz hedge]

It used to, and I get there's so many more recipies now, I would just expect sam to be higher value than say concrete.. but here it is using sam to make limestone lol

I go about it and tweak it to how I want too. but for some things, like 35 ballistic rockets + nuclear I just want to see if it's even a sane choice lol

[vapid gorge]

xD well I guess it was convenient that you used to match the systems weighing system I guess

[topaz hedge]

...it's not sane.. I'll be building that factory for the next 1000 hours.

I haven't been on here in awhile. I suppose it'll just take some time to get used to everything changing.

[vapid gorge]

sounds fun xD my plan is to make about 2000 hmf pm

though I'll be modding steel coated plates

[wheat widget]

So I remember in earlier releases, it was ideal to save your Hard Drives for the higher tiers, as turning them in would give you alt recipes based on the tier you're at when you turn it in. Is the meta still to horde HDs, or when's the best time to start turning in HDs?

[proud merlin]

because i cant underclock to the exact production rate need, should i have them produce a tiny bit more or a tiny bit less?

[unborn ermine]

yes ish, use them till you start only seeing ones you dont want, then continue.

at least thats how I see it.

[inner portal]

i heard someone say that turbofuel is not worth it once.
is that true and why?
(i think it was regarding power generation)

[unborn ermine]

I think you can also stockpile them for later, then reroll a less than ideal result.

[wheat widget]

Reroll?

[topaz hedge]

did they remove steel coated plates? steel ingot + plastic = iron plate?

[unborn ermine]

You get 1 reroll of your hard drive research.

[random creek]

Turbofuel is great. You get alot more bang for.your buck with it. Not sure why someone would have said this

[wheat widget]

Tiny bit more, whatever it is.

[wheat widget]

1 reroll ever, or 1 per HD?

[random creek]

That being said oftentimes it bring in alot of complexity though like packaging and diluted fuel

[unborn ermine]

Yep

[inner portal]

those are the remaining ones

[wheat widget]

Yep to which? 1 ever or 1 per? lol

[topaz hedge]

fuck...

[inner portal]

i mean isnt coated iron better?

[unborn ermine]

Im assuming its related to people just expanding fuel power as needed, then dedicating the sulphur ect to just nuclear and other materials.

[topaz hedge]

steel coated plates was ❤️ :/

[random creek]

I'd argue with how common iron is both are weak regardless

[topaz hedge]

It was fast.

that's just it, it was fast and used very little steel and plastic for what you got.

[inner portal]

idk should i bother doing turbofuel plants? i'm at the end of phase 3(waiting for elevator parts to craft)

[topaz hedge]

Anyway, I don't personally care for turbofuel anymore due to the added complexity vs just diluted fuel in a blender and burn it.

[random creek]

Proba ly eventually but you got plenty of overhead to not be concerned too much with it

I personally don't bother with turbo fuel till I get blenders

[unborn ermine]

This is also a major contention point, diluted fuel setup is a great option before you branch out power

[random creek]

Like I just got a fuel plant setup with 1200 oil feeding 40 fuel generators

It'll last me awhile

[topaz hedge]

it honestly just depends on how you want to play. to me personally I don't really see the appeal of the extra complexity of turbofuel, using your sulphur for the gain you get now.

[random creek]

It also.gives me 120 rubber and plastic too

I could make it even more efficient if i went ridiculously large with hor alternate and diluted fuel. Do you need it? Nah but you can if you want. I plan on making a munitions factory. Do I need it? No. But I want it. And that's sufficient justification for me lol

[topaz hedge]

your factory, have it your way.

what kind of turned me away from turbofuel, and I guess other people to is they did an update where they dropped fuel gen consumption from like 18 with fuel to 12 and left turbofuel at 4.5 so the amount of power you gained by going that route was reduced, and then they added blenders which made fuel really easy to produce.

[random creek]

Also gotta remember there are 2 more fuel options now to play around with

[topaz hedge]

I like nuclear. :3

I'm trying to see if I can balance it out in the calculator to make 100 million worth of a end game part plus ~1.4TW of nuclear power to power the beast

[wheat widget]

So is it ok to drop huge pieces of game advice in here? Like, meta generating pieces that could constitute as spoilers for those not far in?

[topaz hedge]

I wouldn't make it obvious, if it's that clear put it in the spoilers channel.

[wheat widget]

Hmm, how about this. ||Meta uses for the D-Depot||

The kinds of thing that'll become a standard for every save file and people will wish they knew beforehand, like knowing about the global grid, zooping, etc.
Like, the spoilers channel seems to be about the story, but this is about creative uses for new mechanics.

If that makes sense?

[inner portal]

i think saving 10 somersloops for that machine to take around when exploring for hard drives is really handy, you should keep that in mind if you still need some hard drives

[wheat widget]

Yah, that's one of those things. Using the DDepot to never have to worry about losing a hard drive, Ssloop, sphere, etc by immediately dumping everything you find into it while still in the field.

Also, saving up your power shards for use once another certain mechanic is unlocked so you can double your shard gain in the early game...👀 and so on.

[inner portal]

not that far yet, though when you're at the end of phase 3 exploration just becomes a chore that you have to do.
all you have to worry about is unlocking the rifle and cluster pipe bombs

and slugs are very abundant

oh wait i get what you mean

[wheat widget]

imagine doubling even those.

Yah, you get it lol

[inner portal]

xD it didn't even cross my mind

i'll get that set up now that you mentioned it <3

[wheat widget]

Now what about quadrupling your DNA for the sink? :)

[inner portal]

eh i already have everything unlocked by hour 50

[wheat widget]

See what I mean now about "the new meta" lol

[inner portal]

i think just keeping your factories on and sinking extras with overflow splitters is more useful

[wheat widget]

People talk about "buying resources" from the shop being a waste, but if you can quadruple a large chunk of your sink input, even that becomes trivial.

[inner portal]

automate enough coupons to be able to buy resources and not have to touch their automation xD

cough heavy modular frames cough

[wheat widget]

take one remains, turn it into two proteins, take those two proteins and turn em into four DNA's. So less about just buying "all" the resources, and more about buying your way past the more obnoxious things, like unlocking the rifle earlier for example.

[inner portal]

i wish i knew that earlier

[wheat widget]

or getting what you need to build that early explorer

See what i mean? lol. "Things I wish I knew before playing 1.0" haha

[inner portal]

I never tried the explorer is it actually good?

[wheat widget]

Oh man, I love it. When it claims that the thing can traverse nearly vertical surfaces, it ain't lying haha.

[sand epoch]

No

[wheat widget]

Takes a little learning though.

[crimson fox]

wtf is the explorer?

[wheat widget]

Yes, yes it is absolutely good. Low inventory space in it, but with the DDepot, that's moot.

And you can keep all your fuel for it also in the DDepot

[wheat widget]

This is the explorer
#screenshots message

[crimson fox]

ive never used the thing

[vast jungle]

its great to quickly get to parts of the map you have no train network

[wheat widget]

I'm nowhere near unlocking the train yet, have had the explorer for ages, it's super easy to unlock since it's in the MAM.

[vast jungle]

when you have no train, the explorrer is great for going everywhere fast 😄

[upper arrow]

im a bit lost now
i recently unlocked mk3 belts and mk2 miners
i finished phase 2 of space elevator and only automated wiring is setup with those two upgrades in mind (steel etc isnt yet)
should i tear down most productions down and rebuild?
for some reason i still lack some base recipe factories like motor or frame

i tried setting up a factory with satisfactorytools but (i guess im just blind) but i dont really see an option to set up plans with X amount of input of resources anywhere

i tried adjusting the values of their input page and it disregarded that completely (it wrote 120 iron [as an example]but the end output wa still the same)

I dont mind rebuilding stuff im just lost on how i can use tools efficiently to make a nice factory

[wheat widget]

Also, the train only takes you where you've not only been, but have been long enough to set up a rail line for. Explorer by contrast is for exactly as its name implies, exploring places you haven't been to yet.

[inner portal]

i was thiking of making a blueprint with a hypertube cannon and self sufficient power
you could just get in the tube and start dismantling it as soon as you leave so you get the momentum and don't lose out on anything.
you also get to put it down in one click

[vast jungle]

@upper arrow consider just starting a new factory at a different cluster of nodes instead of tearing everything down

[river night]

a factory that produces stuff is a good factory, just let it be and make new factory lines for the products you still lack

[vast jungle]

at least if you have enough resources to build somewhere else far away

[inner portal]

if you set the inputs at the input page as 240 for example and then go to the production page and select "maximize" it'll use all the resources you provided in the inputs to make the most possible of that item

[upper arrow]

makes sense
i have these two near my base where on the 3 left i produce the better iron plates and one the right screws + iron plates + rod but they are so bad i feel i could easily combine those

[old plover]

guys, can you make log2(2,5) on windows' calculator ?

[vast jungle]

do you already have transitioned to mk2 miners and overclocked the miners?

[upper arrow]

you see i tried that

[calm mauve]

untick the sam ore

[inner portal]

you can jsut turn off the nodes you aren't using

so untick the sam and limestone

[upper arrow]

that made it work

only issues was the sam ore since we can use that to transform items it seems

[inner portal]

and you can also progressively turn on recipies so that it doesn't make you use stuff you don't know yet

[upper arrow]

yeah i did that already i just didnt realise that the game automatically does the new sam ore thing

*the calculator

[amber jacinth]

Greeny, the pioneer who made that calculator, recommends switching from “maximize” to “parts/min” once that is known, as it optimizes the inputs rather than the outputs.

[hollow knot]

How high do y’all make factory floors? like 1m, 2m?

[upper arrow]

yeah overall it makes sense but i have 5 nodes near my base i have to make use of

[upper arrow]

depends on where you build
far above the ground 1m
on the ground with potential gras cliping = the size you need to not have clipping

[wheat widget]

Now that I know it's a thing, however high the node I'm building a given production line off of is while holding control when I place my foundations around said node.

[amber jacinth]

I find as long as you limit the inputs (and turn off the converter recipes, unless being used) then it’s really good for production lines.

[wheat widget]

And then I add skirting around it to fill the gaps.

Will snap a screenshot here in a min.

[muted crypt]

You can hold control to snap a road barrier to the front, then align a foundation with that to build something on grid for the miner - can have a small gap and connect it to something attached to the world grid from there.

[wheat widget]

is there a way to hide the ui without photo mode?

[upper arrow]

i sometimes wish you could select a lot of things together and then move it and rebuild it there

not copy and paste but only moving
sometimes when i take too much space etc for belts it looks meh and having to redo several lines of a facatory is just aint it

[wheat widget]

Here's first screenshots of how I start a node, with the foundations snapped to the world grid.
Will do a screenshot of interior in a sec, as I'm still building this one.
#screenshots message

And here's the interior. Super simple, but it works for converting a node into the beginning of a new production line.
#screenshots message

[hollow knot]

I like how you do the underside, might do it like this as well :D

[wheat widget]

Bout to slap it onto my new setup here, details with screenshot.
#screenshots message

And here's it on the map. None of the nodes are pure, but since it's making just those two things, I should be able to still min / max it quite decently via shards.
#screenshots message

[inner portal]

im planning for my aluminum factory and was wondering on the needs i would want to cater for
should i go for 300/300 sheet/casing or should i priorotize one more than the other?

[vapid gorge]

if you don't have a plan for either make an arbitrary choice

you'll need more of one or the other in the future in all likelyhood no matter what you choose

[inner portal]

i haven't played past phase 3 in early access so it's kinda hard to judge what they're used for

i see sheets are for belts but what are casings for?

[vapid gorge]

at least half a dozen recipes use them

a good way to approach things is to assume everything you build before you unlock everything won't be what you need, just push through

[latent swallow]

anybody have a modular recycled plastic setup schematic?

[valid venture]

Im currently playing with a satisfactory calculator around, but if i use diluted packaged fuel i am able to recycle the canisters and only need to produce once?

[river night]

right, canisters are not eaten

you need a bunch for each cycle

but just once

[vapid gorge]

ignore the cannister production.

are you using tools or SCIM?

[valid venture]

I tried booth, but seems only tools has the feature to max out

[vapid gorge]

I think both do but tools is better

[river night]

i'll usually just dump 100 into each refinery -> pack -> unpack loop, you can probably do with less even, but eh

[vapid gorge]

just loop a belt back to the refinery from the unpackager

[valid venture]

Ok thanks for the quick help

[river night]

yeah best tip for DPF, dont try to make it one huge thing, just make packaged water -> refinery -> unpackage fuel loops with just one machine each, and setup a bunch of those in parallel. The canister loop does not need to share with the others

[valid venture]

Oh also, i did not find all recipes for now, but i can when i unlock refineries?

[river night]

oh yeah you wont find many of those before you have refineries

it does try to limit it to recipes you can actually use

sometimes its not very good at it, but alas 😄

[valid venture]

Ok for starting, should i do 300 Oil, 600 or 1200? I dont know what i can expect from that 😂 Always used the base recipe to make a huge amount of fuel and it always was enough

[dire dew]

this look okay?

[vapid gorge]

just do 300, early oil is generally a bad set up with few alt recipes and you only need a bit of rubber and plastic

[dire dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k82z0gpeCLY&t=218s&ab_channel=SpectrumDad go for this if your learning 🙂

i used that to learn (bare in mind fuel gens dont use 12 pm now its 20 pm, but it all should function the same, just make sure you are 100% consuming the fuel at the end of the production)

[teal urchin]

So im using the satisfactory calculator website or whatever to prep for a factory. Im wanting to make one to do phase 2 of the space electaor.
So 1K smart plating, 1K frameworks, 100 wiring.
What are some REASONABLE numbers to try and produce for each one? Im more-so wanting to trickle craft them as I work my way through the tiers, and build up other facotries. Maybe like 5 plates, 5 frameworks, 1 wiring? Something like that?

Im not trying to make a mega factory for them, more-so something to slowly have them crafted as I do other stuff

Satisfacotyr tools website* not the map calculator website or whatever

[dire dew]

just 1 machine making each thing will suffice.

go for two if you want it "quicker"

[wet palm]

That’s the setup I’m currently doing for phase 2. 5 plates/min, 5 framework/min, 1 wiring/min.

But note: 1000 plates at 5/min will take 3.33 hrs to complete

[unborn ermine]

Then get ||SLOOPING||

[wet palm]

How do you guys deal with phase transition. Like once I’m done with phase 2, do you guys keep your setups or tear down and prepare for phase 3?

[dire dew]

i blueprint the smaller starter factories but this is totally optional, all a "preference thing"

[wet palm]

What are some recommended blueprints for smaller starter factories

[dire dew]

those ^

[potent isle]

120 coming into 4 smelters, is it equally divided?

[teal urchin]

Should be

[vast jungle]

I built a "barely controlled spaghetti" base for Tier 1/2... and then redid it a bit more carefully for Tier 3-4... and its again "not updatable"... so I have to do a new factory very soon, still thinking about how to do it

[dire dew]

as long as its mark 2 belt feeding it yes

[potent isle]

how does that math work? saw this on a tutorial shouldn't it be like 60 60 each belt?

after being splitted

[dire dew]

so the first smelter will fill to 100 ore then itl overflow to next, eventually reaching an equilibrium is the simple answer

just takes a bit of time to reach peak efficiency in a manafold but once it does, its forever

[potent isle]

so why not make the next one mk2 too?

[dire dew]

u do not need to worry about this, 4x 30 = 120, belt in 120 job done

so as long as u have m2 belts itl work perfectly

technically you just need the 1 mark 2 belt pulling to the side like you showed in the picture

because past that 2nd splitter u only need 60 pm to feed the last 2 30 each

[wet palm]

Chrismate, do the in between splitters need to be mk1 or mk2?

[sonic coyote]

What's the most efficient strategy to transport liquids long distances? I imagine trains right?

[wet palm]

I’m learning about this as well. I thought the belts in between splitters also need to be mk2

[dire dew]

whenever ur feeding 60 from the miner use m1, if its 120 use m2 (i dont mix and match belts, just use all mark 2 if its 120)

[sonic coyote]

Idk your situation but often yes, if you have mergers going to a splitter, you'll want the in between belts to be a higher tier than the others, else you can bottleneck yourself

[potent isle]

got it but as soon as soon as the 2nd one hits 100 wouln't it be ideal to make the 2nd to 3rd one 120 aswell(mk2)

[sonic coyote]

Assuming the higher tier is expensive enough you can't just make all your belts the highest tier

[sonic coyote]

Bump, sorry lol got pushed off quickly

[dire dew]

i just use all matching on manifolds, it doesnt matter because eventually the machines will fill with ore thus feeding the others in an equilibrium

[dire dew]

liquids for what?

trains is a good bet, but for things like your "fuel power" it can be a bad idea if something goes wrong with the train

[sonic coyote]

Bringing oil and such to my main base

Nah for plastics

[dire dew]

dont have a "main base" expand and use the world to your advantage 🙂

[sonic coyote]

Hah fair enough, getting a lil cramped. Was gonna start setting up outposts

[dire dew]

i highly reccomend just building your fuel power / plastic + rubber plant near the oil nodes, then use trains ect to transport your plastic and rubber

[vast jungle]

as soon as you have trains, making satellite factories everywhere becomes fun

[sonic coyote]

But in general trains are the most effective/efficient long distance transportation right

There's drones but I'm still several tiers aways from them

[wet palm]

Chrismate, so what your saying is, all the in between splitters belts need to be mk2 correct? If the main input is mk2 ? Did I get that right

[deft lichen]

It's not that one is more efficient than the other

You have to define how you measure the efficiency

Both have a place and serve a different purpose

[sonic coyote]

Ignore drones for a sec please cause it'll be a while till I get em

[dire dew]

"need" no. easier yes.

[sonic coyote]

Trains vs trucks, I'll want trains probably right, for a permanent route

[wet palm]

What do you mean easier

[deft lichen]

With dimensional depots, personally my use case for drones is significantly smaller

[dire dew]

plastic and rubber plant built at the oil ^ and the train comes to take it to the factories 🙂

u can use trucks as an alternate if you wish both viable

[vast jungle]

I tried Trucks multiple times, but was never happy about them... main issue with trucks is that they need "item fuel" while trains just need electricity (and train tracks double as power lines!)

[sonic coyote]

Ooo tracks do transmit power? I had wondered about that

[vast jungle]

(I also dislike recording truck tracks)

[deft lichen]

Yeah, they're an extension of the power grid

[sonic coyote]

Nice

[vast jungle]

if you attach power to one train stations, you can get power at every connected train station!

[sonic coyote]

Now I just gotta figure out how to most easily string power to the other end of my hyperloop cannon lmao

[dire dew]

120/2 = 60 = mk 1 after first splitter, but just use mark 2 only and dont have to think about it 🙂 nothing is going to go "wrong" a manifold is set to be 100% efficient given enough time to flow, itl all work itself out, you dont need to worry

[vast jungle]

or just travel by train 😉

[sonic coyote]

A few thousand blocks away from the nearest power source

[vast jungle]

hmm... power accumulators charged by biomass burners?

[deft lichen]

They can't do that

At that point, just a biomass burner setup that you feed before use

[dire dew]

dont be afraid to zoop yourself a bridge across the map to where u need to be

[deft lichen]

Skybridges are ugly 😭😭

[dire dew]

yeah but they get ripped down once u got a train network flowing, its perfectly fine early game

[sonic coyote]

Not sure what you're referring to?

[sonic coyote]

I just gotta suck it up and string power lines across the map

[dire dew]

straight bridge of platforms

[sonic coyote]

Ah

[dire dew]

thats my rail but same concept lol

[sonic coyote]

Yeah I just do zip lines to traverse stuff

Might not be the absolute fastest but it's the most fun imo which is the most important thing

[deft lichen]

This is still a skytrain, I personally prefer to build tracks low to the ground and follow natural paths. But that's just preference

[deft cape]

Guys, can someone help me? My lizzard doggo keep teleporting below the ground.
First image: Z coord when I change it in the Satisfactory Calculator
Second Image: Z coord as soon as I load the save

[dire dew]

its not that high up lol but yeah lower down can look better but can cause drama dealing with obsticles

[sonic coyote]

What's the best thing to light up a cave? I tried streetlights but they were terrible, floodlights weren't much better

[deft lichen]

That's the fun part though!

[dire dew]

you have a torch if you press B

[dire dew]

ima engineer not an architecht XD lmao

[wintry marlin]

thats what i use for transportation rn

zipline >hypercannons bc i am too lazy to upgrade power networ

[ember pike]

Can anyone point me towards a tutorial on how to do math for overclocking and underclocking please?

[wintry marlin]

what kind of math?

[vapid gorge]

signs are prob your only other option

[ember pike]

In a long factory run, sometimes you need to underclock one constructor or something to something like 70%. I want to know how to do the math to work out it needs to be 70% easily and not do it by trial and error by guessing

[dire dew]

any idea what could be wrong, 2nd time this happened ? lol

[cloud comet]

If you keep track of how much of a material you need per minute in a line, you can easily do the math by just dividing the amount you need/the amount you have

So if you need 150 per minute and have 100 per minute, you'll need 150% overclocking and vice versa, 67% underclocking (rounded)

[vapid gorge]

well divide the volume of items you're processing by the parts per min of hte recipe.

if it divides to like 7.45 you know you need 7 machines at 100 and 1 machine at 45. Or any mix ofthat total 745%

[sleek mantle]

Has anyone put together a list of the 1.0 alternates and done the math on which are the most efficient?

[vapid gorge]

recipes, in general, are trade offs. meaning they could be 'more efficient' in some resource but more costly in other ways.

it's down to personal choice and whatever situation you're using them with

[dire dew]

:S my trains are jamming here

how can i prevent this lol

[vapid gorge]

top down shot?

[ember pike]

Thanks so much I knew there much be an easy way to do this.

[dire dew]

il have to take a couple snaps

[vapid gorge]

Do you use satisfactorytools at all?

[ember pike]

No not yet, I will go and check that out.

[vapid gorge]

Take the same shots but in rail mode,

[dire dew]

rail mode?

[vapid gorge]

When it shows dif sections in dif colours

[teal urchin]

How much coal does a coal generator consume a minute? I only see a number listing the water

[vast jungle]

I think its 15 Coal/min

120 Coal for 8 Generators for 600 MW

[teal urchin]

That sounds about right, from what i remember- thank you

[vast jungle]

8 generators is a typical "package" to build/extend a coal powerplant

[teal urchin]

So im remembering now that its 8 generators for a 120 belt, and it requires like.. what was it.. 4 water extractors or something?

[cloud comet]

3

[vast jungle]

you can do with 3 water extractors, but 4 extractors underclocked to 75% might be easier to pipe

[cloud comet]

360 water per minute, and water extractors give 120 each

[vast jungle]

I like the 1 extractor for 2 generators approach... its nearly fool-proof

[teal urchin]

Thanks for the answers ^^

[dire dew]

150% / 4 is nice too less pipe work

[vast jungle]

yes, but it need powershards which are not "free" until endgame... but it might be a great solution in the green plains where water is a bit limited until you go for coal-lake

[silver aurora]

which one of these would be better to grab was thinking the wire since it cuts down on the ores that i would need to consider.

but the bolted plates is 10 more per minute for production

[river night]

I tend to build in blocks of 16, 6 extractors go on 3 pipes of 240 water each, one pipe to each block of 8 extractors, and one pipe on the opposite side of the block that connects to both

[cloud comet]

I'd say the plate, especially if you have the alternate screw recipe that gives 50 per minute

At least that's what I need more of usually

[river night]

bolted plates are a bit of a trap

[dire dew]

@vapid gorge i added another block signal each side of the track between the two screenshots and it fixed

[deft gust]

Go wires. You want to limit how many screws you use because they clog up your factories and are a pain to balance

[river night]

i would pick iron wire, just because it goes well with stitched plates when you get those

thats always my early aim for a RIP factory, iron wire and stitched plates, usually works out by collecting a few drives early

[vast jungle]

Cast Screws and Bolted Plate are nice together because you don't need to manifold them... just one Constructor per Assembler with a direct belt

[silver aurora]

was leaning this way since i got the screw recip too so now I could just use 4 pure iron nodes close together and i could dedicate my coper to just sheets.

[silver aurora]

ah yeah that would be good too

could always get lucky later and get the copper again

[vast jungle]

manifolding anything that stacks to 500 is a PAIN

[silver aurora]

i think my fav thing is to look for those hard drives

the system they have now is much better than the one i used before

[dire dew]

when a manifold involves screws i tend to just throw a stack in each machine to get it instantly balanced

another trick is you can turn your "end product" machine off and wait till everything backs up then boom 100% efficient lol

[vast jungle]

"wait until first machine is full, then turn it off" also works

[cloud comet]

That only works if you're making enough of that stuff already

Otherwise it's only temporarily 100% efficient

[river night]

obviously you need to be making enough, or no strategy works 😄

[dire dew]

if the numbers are exact then what i just said works perfecto(yeah u might get a couple yellow lights temporarily but itl even out)

[river night]

manifolds might take a while sometimes, but when your input is at least equal to the requirement, they'll work at 100%

[dire dew]

yea, either turn end machine off and wait, or let it flow + wait, either way manifold = wait lol

[wind spade]

See #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[silver aurora]

what does manifold mean?

[river night]

personally i just dont worry about it, move on to the next project, then visit later again to see if i made any belting mistakes 😛

[dire dew]

when you do a chain of splitters to divide 1 belt between multiple machines

[silver aurora]

ah yeah which is what i would do with ingots and the wire aswell.

just run straight ingots then i have the screws havnt unlocked smart splitters yet though so its a little bit of a pain

[wind spade]

Smart splitter don't help in any way

[dire dew]

@wind spade are u good with trains

[wind spade]

https://dontasktoask.com

[dire dew]

i get trains occasionally jam this intersection, is it because the exit has a block signal?

am i supposed to path signal intersection exits?

[river night]

exits should always be block signals, if anything entrances would be path, but this kind of intersection with unidirectional rails should work fine with just blocks

[dire dew]

yeah but the # of trains going through here is causing bottlenecks

[wind spade]

Make it into a 3d junction then

[vast jungle]

you can make a manifold from smart splitters, giving each machine 100% and send the overflow along the manifold, which changes the behaviour how the machines get to 100%... but the total "wait until everything works" will be the same anyways

[dire dew]

this is my first rail network so im not familiar with what you mean

[wind spade]

That... doesn't really help with amything

In fact, will make fill time longer

[unborn ermine]

The sporadic nature of making coal gens functional, if you somehow filled out the MAM research

[vast jungle]

you can elevate the "turn left" rail so it doesn't intersect with the "go straight" one

think "highway intersection", not "street crossing"

[dire dew]

does a path signal = cannot stop in that section?

[wind spade]

Yes

[river night]

technically yes, it wont stop in path sections because it also reserves the exit block

[dire dew]

so i need path signals on every entry point of this junction and itl stop a train stalling in the middle and bricking my traffic then

[river night]

but even with just blocks, why does the exit block never empty on its own, i guess if its pretty short and there is lots of trains trying to go there?

[dire dew]

yea its taking like 6 items to a location nearby

on a few trains

but my oil transfer goes through here too

• nitrogen gas

[vast jungle]

thats the best way to think about it in my opinion... if a train is allowed to stop in the section after a signal, its a normal signal... if its not allowed to stop in the next section, us4e a path signal

[cloud comet]

Is there a more reasonable way to transport many ores? I have 420 iron ores per minute and this kinda feels ridiculous

And there's enough mines nearby to make that 540 ores per minute, so 9 mk 1 conveyors

[outer vale]

use better belts

[south forge]

trucks, takes a while to set up though

[unborn ermine]

Condense the ores and make better belts

[outer vale]

and don't transport so far, why do you need to bring all that?

[cloud comet]

I'll use better belts when I upgrade the miners into mk2s

[cloud comet]

I was going to make 1 central factory and move everything there

[outer vale]

this smells of central factory

[unborn ermine]

If its for steel, send something halfway and make that your foundry

[outer vale]

lol figured

[south forge]

also use blueprints with the power tower

[outer vale]

do the production on-site and you'll have much more manageable numbers if you feel the need to route the products back to base

[cloud comet]

The thing is, most of this will become steel at a 2:3 ratio

So I would have to transport even more steel back

[pseudo gust]

is it better to setup coal gen near coal or move coal to another place?

[cloud comet]

I'd also need a line to transport the coal anyway

[unborn ermine]

Then make it the more condensed parts 😉

[cloud comet]

I don't know how many of each part I'll need at the moment

Having the starting point of the recipe chains somewhere near me would be much more convenient and versatile

[sleek mantle]

keep going, trucks, trains and better belts are coming.

[deft lichen]

choosing to build a megafactory will bring you annoyances like this

!wikisearch independency

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=independency

[deft lichen]

👆 significantly better approach to the game IMO

[cloud comet]

I did one run like that, but it got tiresome after a while

[sleek mantle]

is the wiki down? not opening for me

[cloud comet]

Since I'd be producing the same things on multiple places

[deft lichen]

loaded just fine here

[willow geyser]

What is the longest train you can feasibly run uphill? Does anyone know?

[deft lichen]

you can just keep adding locomotives

so infinite

[latent swallow]

anybody got a link to a modular plastic factory? need 400 something and cant bring myself to math it out right now

[cedar compass]

Does anyone know where I could learn more about the fluid mechanics in Satisfactory? I am reading up on some docs from 2020 and not sure if the same mechanics apply now?

[cloud comet]

There's always the pipeline manual: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/3/39/Pipeline_Manual.pdf

[cedar compass]

thank you, and nothing has change in the 1.0 release?

[deft lichen]

use a production planner https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[river night]

the fundamental mechanics of fluids didnt really change over time, no

[cloud comet]

Well, I haven't played before 1.0 but nothing seems to be broken

[cedar compass]

Awesome thanks, I think I'll just need to sit down and find where I am messing up, since I was following this >_<

[latent swallow]

ive tried with satisfactory calc too, it seems to bug out when trying use recycled plastic and rubber and will show the fuel as a seperate output instead

[deft lichen]

disable recipes you don't want

so you want 400 plastic with the recycled loop?

do you have blenders yet?

[latent swallow]

no only at tier 6 currently, need 425 pm to be exact, trying to pre prepare all the elctronics ill need later in game

[deft lichen]

ok, so diluted packaged fuel

[latent swallow]

correct

[deft lichen]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=ngYzoW8fflbjLBXvyxhg

[latent swallow]

thats the result ive been getting, the refineries initially make the needed plastic then have the fuel as an excess, not looping back into the production line

i dont think im misreading it but its possible

[unborn ermine]

I remember needing to separate different product lines for a few recipes before 1.0

Might be worth just making a new production line with that output you "cant do anything with"

[deft lichen]

these are the loops

alternatively

[latent swallow]

that makes a lot more sense like that thank you ❤️

[deft lichen]

you can make it simpler by disabling the residual rubber and residual plastic recipes

[latent swallow]

i was only adding those to use as minimal oil as possible but thank you

[potent isle]

Is running tractors from a coal node to the coal gen factory a good idea?

[muted tide]

Depends on the distance

[potent isle]

Like 1000-1200m

[muted tide]

In my opinion maybe not the best location for a coal gen then, tractors need pretty decent roads to go back and forth

Also something like a coal factory is important to have a steady flow

[potent isle]

I have not unlocked roads yet on tier 3,4 right now and it has 48 slots so isnt that enough?

[deft lichen]

there's no such thing as a road

you only get foundations

[river night]

asphalt customization = roads

[deft lichen]

and building a foundation road defeats any advantages trucks have over belts or trains

only natural roads are worth it

[potent isle]

then what do you recommend i do? build the coal factory 1000m away from my hub and run power through cables?

can be done but would be a hassle to travel

[muted tide]

Yes

I mean a coal plant only requires the setup

I got a hypertube to mine and only go there if it needs an upgrade/change

If its setup it basicly doesnt require visits

[unborn ermine]

positive note, if you do the cable thing.
You can get planning for some secondary factories and/or geyser prep

[muted tide]

Its tbh more of a hassle porting the resources than it is setting up that plant 1000m away

[deft lichen]

isn't it much faster and easier to run a power line than

• a foundation road
• a vehicle route which you have to record
• a supply of coal and power to the truck station
  ? 😄

pick a location with both coal and water nearby, and build the power plant there

[tame harbor]

Yeah the best idea most of the time is to make satellite factories making finished goods

In this case the finished goods is electricity

[potent isle]

it is going to be very far for maintainance i have only built things like 200-300m faraway sofar

so this is a big jump

but i do understand the logistics so thanks will go that route

[deft lichen]

power lines just cost cables and whatever little cost power poles have

[tame harbor]

Have you done the quarts research in the MAM? It gives you exoskeleton legs which really helps with mobility early game

[potent isle]

yup got them

[tame harbor]

Then, once you can build big power poles, you can use the Caterium research for the Zipline

[potent isle]

so i can ride powerlines?

[tame harbor]

With the right equipment

Though doing so with regular power poles is, difficult

[deep citrus]

-# skill issue /lh

But yeah

[vast jungle]

it was quite visually annoying to do with normal powerlines, view always shifting.

[deep citrus]

You can fall off regular poles easily

I love power towers and using them with the zipline

[vast jungle]

Power Towers might be a good reason to give the Zipline a second chance

[potent isle]

alright 1000m away it is are tractors even much useful then? looked pretty cool tbh

[tame harbor]

Never used vehicles

[vast jungle]

still, as soon trains are there I don't see me using both of them anymore 😉

[ancient oriole]

Trains are just built different

[vast jungle]

trains have autopilot

[deep citrus]

We got like 2 doomguys in this convo

[ancient oriole]

and they bring power

[tame harbor]

Zipline+jetpack is good enough for personal mobility

And once you decide to build megabases trains are just so much better than tracks

[vast jungle]

like I said, as soon as I have trains I don't see much use for Zipline and Power Towers anymore... (the later maybe for optical reasons)

[tame harbor]

I use power towers for exploration

[ancient oriole]

aesthetics ?

[vast jungle]

and as soon as you have the hoverpack the jetpack just feels 2nd class

[ancient oriole]

I just smack down a alien power augmenter, gives you all the power you'd need to open up any HDDs

[ancient oriole]

Ever tried glide-jumping off a MK5 belt, with jetpack?

Using Liquid Biofuel ?

You go zooming

[vast jungle]

last time I played SF the Jetpack could not handle other fuel... still, hover pack is superior because it has unlimited uptime ^^

[ancient oriole]

Hoverpack is my best friend aswell, nothing beats it, its only when it comes to travelling, its beaten. And thats only if you have no power near it

[vast jungle]

just take a little bit Cable with you... whereever you go, you can have power 😉

climbing cliffs has never been eaiser

[ancient oriole]

It can use:
Fuel
Turbofuel
Liquid Biofuel
Rocket Fuel
Ionized Fuel(Not certain about this one, but certain about the others)

[unborn ermine]

Zipline does that as well, love getting a power pole clipping on a cliff ledge

[tame harbor]

For building? Oh god yes

But hard drive/slug/artifact hunting doesn't work when the hoverpacks range is so short

[deep citrus]

It can use ionised