math-and-meta

[deft lichen]

it is in Docs

[ashen girder]

So why does nobody have it? 😦

Was it aliens?

[deft lichen]

seems like it

I'll patch it into the wiki manually

"ClassName": "Desc_AlienPowerFuel_C",
"mBoostPercentage": "0.200000",
"mBoostDuration": "12.000000",
"mDisplayName": "Alien Power Matrix",
"mDescription": "This intricate condensed-matter matrix is used to enhance the output of the Alien Power Augmenter. \r\n\r\nInitially developed in efforts to create a human-made Somersloop, the Alien Power Matrix cannot sustain the extra-dimensional energy connection on its own. However, it can effectively stabilize the energy stream of the Somersloop.",

[ashen girder]

That's not the recipe. 👀

[deft lichen]

looks like the boost rate can be changed, and that it adds to the base 10%

yeah I have to patch in both

[solemn maple]

OH greeny is the satisfactorytools maintainer. that just clicked for me.

who else here is satisfactory famous, i gotta know

[ashen girder]

Ondar's one of the Wiki Gods. McGalleon wrote the literal book on pipes and fluids.

What do you think of something like this?

I guess "total generated" isn't a great name.

Oh, SignpostMarv is the one that runs the Satisfactory Clips Archive and trims all of the streams into tasty, bite-sized clips.

[solemn maple]

this community is so dedicated and cool

[wind spade]

@ruby kelp see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[ashen girder]

someone telllll hiiiiim

👻

👆

[wind spade]

yes I know, busy work, sorry. Will look at it asap

[ashen girder]

Good enough fer me. 😄

[tropic hawk]

they are aware.

[ashen girder]

Well, yes, I see that now. I can see his messages, he just can't see mine.

[oak moss]

in a new world with only a handful of machines, there is a decimal in the power consumption such as 60.7. does anyone know where the extra power draw is coming from? nothing is overclocked

[ashen girder]

7 machines doin' nothin.

[analog frigate]

what's the best calculator? I'm using https://satisfactory-calculator.com/ because it imports my savegame recipes, and has this view where every building is shown

[ashen girder]

There isn't a best. Whichever one works best with your brain and your workflow is the best.

[muted tide]

Any1 know if the SAM stuff can be sinked and what their sink value is

[zenith tangle]

What do you guys think, is it better to use somersloops on item multiplication or power augmentation? Or both?

[muted tide]

if you use them on item multiplication you can always take them out

id say use a couple on power rest on items

[ashen girder]

You can always undo the power augmenters, too.

[white bloom]

that's the juicy question. I don't think anyone can give a qualified answer yet

[ashen girder]

There's no permanent consumption of either artifact outside of the research trees themselves.

[wind spade]

you can check all in #welcome and see which works best

[tame harbor]

My gut instinct is duplication, you'd need (iirc) 100 somersloops to double your power output. If you need less than that to double your power production lines (AKA, the uranium processing) or similar then power augmenters use is limited

[tropic hawk]

I prefer Greeny's satisfactorytools.com

[zenith tangle]

100 somerloops + alien power matrixes would be a 300% power boost I think

[tropic hawk]

that depends. what is your goal?

[tropic hawk]

thats depending if you can make 50 matrices/minute

[zenith tangle]

I think I might just do half for augment half for item multiplication

[tropic hawk]

what items you multiplying?

[zenith tangle]

probably ballistic warp drives mainly

[tropic hawk]

fair

[zenith tangle]

and singularity cells

[ashen girder]

Multiply APMs. 😁

[zenith tangle]

maybe? idk too much math lol

[tame harbor]

Ooooh didn't see those are a thang

(only just automated phase 2 in 1.0 lmao)

[zenith tangle]

Nice, I kept progressing on my previous save but had to fix a lot from update

[analog frigate]

can I do such split?

like, I only want X amount of beams to not go to the asembler

oh fug

[tame harbor]

combine 2 outputs into 1 belt
split into 3 belts
combine 2 of the belts

[analog frigate]

a spltter calculation

[deft barn]

wtf? It's telling me Iron ore is mined from limestone?!

Any better tool that isnt broken?

[true cliff]

does this like work ifyou just use 1 splitter would it just manifold itself or like nah i sometimes get numbers that are so wacky

[analog frigate]

ok I have a harder one ahahahç

[tame harbor]

looks like it's using the SAM+Limestone -> Iron Ore conversion

[ashen girder]

There's no converter building in there though.

[wind spade]

one splitter

[analog frigate]

?

[solemn maple]

slap a splitter in front of each constructor, leave them all at 1%, wait for the machines and belts to become full, and then set desired clock speeds. one belt from combined foundry output.

[analog frigate]

that would be 50%

[wind spade]

and what happens if you send more materials to side that needs less?

[deft barn]

how do i limit it to what stuff i have available to me?

[analog frigate]

it will do more steel pipes to be stored on a box

[analog frigate]

1% what?

[wind spade]

well no, because the constructor can only eat the 7.5/min

[solemn maple]

1% clock speed.

underclocked

[wind spade]

the pipe constructor will fill up, then the remaining items will overflow to the other side

[analog frigate]

that would take too long

[wind spade]

usually just a few minutes

[wind spade]

other option is to build two sets of foundries, one set making 7.5 for pipes, one set making 120 for beams

[analog frigate]

when do I unlock the underclock option?

[wind spade]

MAM

[solemn maple]

implementing the diagrams from the production planners is very difficult without over/underclocking researched.

for non standard recipe outputs amounts

[analog frigate]

this doesn't feel right

but not sure if it worth fixing it

[unique tree]

any idea how to remove this rock for my coal plant?

[fierce ruin]

question if i use this how can i split the perfectly the numbers? or should i use manifolds rather than balancers?

[analog plover]

can any pipe enthusiasts tell me if i can do this

[analog plover]

nobelisk, research in MAM

[analog frigate]

I just asked this, you need to unlock underclocking

and underclocking the machine you'll lower the flow

not on the splitter, on the machine

for example, on your case you need to set the iron pipe maker at 0.876 power

I wonder how people play this game without calculator, I tried and I ended just using one ore node for each material pretty much

[fierce ruin]

ok understood so no need to perfectly balance them and use manifolds and it will balance itself?

[analog frigate]

yep, being underclocked, the belt will fill and the machine will only consume that amount

the numbers on the belts for calculators are more for information than for something you need to apply

[fierce ruin]

ok thank you

[analog frigate]

you can use that info to know which belt to use

mk1 60
mk2 120
etc

[solemn maple]

I prefer a manifold. I'll do a ground level manifold for one, and a lifted manifold for the other. But your picture will work. Might benefit from letting belts and internal stacks fill up first.

[toxic basalt]

So I feel pretty confident someone has already figured this out, but what's the most important alt recipes to get early game and what should I avoid unlocking to maximize the chance to get them?

[versed violet]

epic question - is there any reason to keep the experimental branch installed if both experimental and early access got updated to 1.0?

[versed violet]

press n to call up NumberCruncher (calculator)

[west saddle]

Hey greeny (I don't want to tag), is there any planned date to release an update for the web satisfactorytools?

I don't want to rush, you will be enjoying the game right now and not thinking about the web (and I completely understand that), just asking

Because right now I'm looking at an alternate recipe that's not in the web, I guess it's new from the 1.0

Thank you for all your hard work to make the web possible!!

[unique tree]

but i cant unlock this yet

[river night]

its the only way, use other coal for now, unlock boom-booms later

[versed violet]

have you switched to the 1.0 version in top right corner? it seems to have the new recipes. if you cant find one, specifying exactly what is missing would be helpful.

[west saddle]

oh fuck, i didn't refresh the page and only had the .8 and .7/6 versions hahahha

thank you! I'll take a look into it and if something misses i'll say

[analog plover]

can't clear it without it

[wintry totem]

for dimensional storage I cant quite work it out, am I missing something or is it not actually possible to have it so you automate the loading of items into it? Like you cant manage any overflow so once you hit the limit of an item you would have to manually remove the stack to let the rest of the stuff upload so you would NEED one for each resource? Was really hoping I could just bung basic stuff in at once as overflow to top up then rest in the sink but it seems not possible, I hope i am just being a tool!

[versed violet]

It seems you need a separate one for each kind of resource.
Tip: you can intercat with the box to manually remove item, dont need to dismantle the belt

[ashen girder]

They're meant to be heavily restricted.

[wintry totem]

yeah thats a shame but its the conclusion i came to as well

yeah im fine with it being a reduction for not having to carry a full inventory, it will save many trips when im caught short but was hoping to be able to just slowly feed in excess but guess i gotta priortise and do some manual interventions!

[ashen girder]

It's super useful. And there's enough spheres on the map that you can build one for everything.

[wintry totem]

ok thats good

thanks

[versed violet]

So we basically can swap our item mall boxes with dimensional depo and call it a day, right?

[analog frigate]

water pumps limit water throughput? I have 4 (120m3 each 480 total) water extractors, feeding 8 (45m3 360 total), with a pump to raise the water

ignore the 4 last coal generators, it's unfinished

wait the tubes are max 300

[versed violet]

@wind spade Is this the correct file to grab all the recipes ingame, or should I be using some default one?
Just going to build an excel table with all recipes to do some MATH on it.

[wind spade]

yeah (though you can use whatever language you want)

[versed violet]

would you happen to know which one of them is the pirate language option?

[wind spade]

no idea (if it's even there)

probably one of the en-XX, but no idea

[craggy karma]

Just for me, this achievement is bugged?

[white bloom]

no hablo espanol

[craggy karma]

It's not Spanish, it's Portuguese

is the conquest of the 4 biomes

[static socket]

any tips on how to plan factories out in a more efficient way?

[main thicket]

why do some packagers keep the fluid and some do not when they are connected in the same network?

[analog frigate]

@wind spade the reason I use calculator instead of yours is I can add the ore inputs, I use that for deciding how much of each material I want depending on the near resources, the moment I exceed some material, it adds a miner

do you have something like that?

I could just watch the numbers too

[wind spade]

you can literally set how much ore you have

[analog frigate]

ah with the left box, right

thanks

[indigo lily]

what website is this

[wind spade]

Satisfactory Tools, it's in #welcome

[indigo lily]

ty sir

any1 have a good how to video on oil dont know where to start theres so many recipes

[wind spade]

pick one item, check recipes for that item, pick some, build, repeat 🙂

[indigo lily]

is oil a new power phase?

[wind spade]

can be if you use oil for power

[vapid gorge]

recipes shine in specific situations. Use them then.

For example Iron Wire - reduces your use of copper.

great someplace where you need the copper for something else or copper doesn't exist

[versed violet]

or when you want to make something purely out of iron node

and with new iron pipe alt... we can basically make motors from iron alone

[vapid gorge]

@bronze canopy started in grassy fields?

[bronze canopy]

No, started in the spawn location NW of the Grassy fields

Rocky desert to be more precise

[vapid gorge]

yeah I was never a fan of that area SE of that zone there's a cliff with coal and at the bottom ther's iron copper and limestone

plus a few other scattered around

solid place to start

do you know you can hold CTRL while building machines and things to have them snap more precisely next to each other? eases things a lot

[bronze canopy]

No I didn't know that...hmmm...I have just over a 100 hours in the game (yeah, I know, still a serious noob 🙂 ). I love this genre of game...but logisitics just is not my forte 🙂

[vapid gorge]

that + mmb to select obj helps a lot

hold E for a radial menu means you don't need every obj on hot bar, just one from each 'category'

[vapid gorge]

You get there 🙂

[bronze canopy]

I tried to talk my son in to playing with me (he's a wiz at these types of games) but he's not into satisfactory (factorio though...he loves that game).

[vapid gorge]

they are very different games.

Tell him that SF production possibilities are much more complex if you try it, you can understand why he doesn't want to go for it 😛

they are fairly different games though

[bronze canopy]

Yeah I agree different games overall, but there are some similarities. Plus there are mods for factorio that can increase difficulty quite a bit. I've tried to get him onto satisfactory, but he's just not interested, unfortunately.

[bronze canopy]

lol I just figured this out yesterday lol 🙂

[vapid gorge]

well, it's less about difficulty and more that it allows you to have completely different approaches to things depending on your style location and alt recipes available 🙂 ah well, maybe if your'e having fun with it that'll change his mind

[bronze canopy]

Yeah...hopefully, if not I'll just have to keep beating his butt at Madden and College Football (My son will be 20 in October BTW). 🙂

[indigo lily]

why would i want this xD

[violet marsh]

feed it into a dimension storage so you never need to build a miner again

[elfin bridge]

I belive they are used for a late game component now

[indigo lily]

reaaaaally

[tame harbor]

oh god

a 250%+LOOP Assembler costs 201.5 MW

and now said assembler is in, well, i can only describe it as "duress"

[fierce berry]

Upgrades, people, upgrades

[elfin bridge]

Found a great location that you can get to very early from the rocky desert it has 2 Pure and 1 Normal Quartz node as well as 1 Normal SAM node. I've marked all of the entrances because it is in a cave and the highlighted marker is the easiest to get to just be prepared for a lot of stringers my current location is the location of the nodes

the home marker is right near the rocky desert spawn

[cerulean stratus]

Alright so the sommersloop gave me an idea
We can use it to duplicate the out so, if we use something that has as an input its own byproduct, we can get an ever expanding loop

I tried with packagers, it didn't work

But what about oil

[tame harbor]

presumably the devs were smart enough to avoid such things

but i like where your head is at

[elfin bridge]

even if you can the power consumption becomes an issue very quickly

[cerulean stratus]

Not really
Because you'll only have 1 machine powering the infinite loop

[vapid gorge]

that doesn't work because it'll hit throughput limit of the pipe

[elfin bridge]

Mk.3 pipe when

[delicate chasm]

Ooh, can't wait to try this stuff out...

[ashen girder]

Might be able to do an infinite loop with recycled rubber/plastic.

[true junco]

Thats going on the list of things im absolutely doing ASAP

[tame harbor]

OH YES!

[versed violet]

fuel is not a byproduct tho. but you could use packagers to duplicate fuel, so potentially, yes

[ashen girder]

Packagers can't duplicate.

[versed violet]

and you could burn some of said fuel to power whole thing, so if this is power positive... yikes

they can't? somebody checked?

[ashen girder]

I checked, yeah.

[versed violet]

aww, "devs think of everything" ™️

[ashen girder]

Yeah, that one makes sense. 🤣 Hence you might be able to get creative with the oil cycles that exist.

[versed violet]

so we're left with duplicating uranium rods and elevator parts

[elfin bridge]

has anyone solved how to deal with a mk.3 miner fully overclocked with sommersloop on a pure node or is it still limited by belts?

[calm mauve]

Mk6 belts do 1200

[ashen girder]

And DNA and protein.

And shards until T9.

[ashen girder]

Snutt point blank said they lied about that ever being a thing they didn't know how to solve. 🤣

[versed violet]

wait, you can put sloops in miners?

[shy kindle]

For some reason the 1.0 Update has fixed my Fuel Power plant

[strong loom]

Guys did any of your lizard doggos ever give you a summer sloop? 🙂

[elfin bridge]

but isnt a fully overclocked mk3 with powershards and sommersloop more than 1200?

[ashen girder]

Can't sloop miners.

[elfin bridge]

oh damn

what a shame

[versed violet]

you freaked me out here. If we could sloop miners, all my sloops would end up in uranium, then bauxite, then probably sulfur or caterium, whatever has higher point value

[ashen girder]

I wonder if Converters can be slooped. 🤔

Lemme switch saves.

[tame harbor]

how are y'all feeding your DDs?

this is what i'm doing

[ashen girder]

Converters can!

[versed violet]

well, they can

[elfin bridge]

I got SAM ore but don't have steel pipes so I still can't use it smh

[versed violet]

infinite uranium loop when? you still need sam tho

[tame harbor]

skrill issue

[ashen girder]

Might be worth using sloops up the entire SAM chain.

[ashen girder]

You can find pipes around crash sites if you look hard enough.

Also Encoder can be slooped with 4 sloops.

[versed violet]

if sloops are limited resource, does it make sense to use them for power augmenter at all?

[warm bough]

hey

[elfin bridge]

i've found 6 so far and they all had rotors steel beams and stators

[ashen girder]

Honestly, not really IMO.

[analog loom]

Alrighty math boys. I need some help. I have 286.451 screws/min on 3 belts (2 full mk2 belts and one mk1 belt with the rest). I need to feed 4 assemblers whose requirements are as follows: 92.903 screws split between 2 assemblers, and another 193.548 screws split between the next two assemblers. How can i balance this? I do not think I have the proper belts for a manifold, but maybe one of yall helpful folks could design some sort've injection manifold

[warm bough]

i think i have a spaghetti issue

[ashen girder]

Those lines are far too straight to be spaghetti, friend.

[versed violet]

belts square, not spaghetti

[ashen girder]

Lasagna, tho..

[warm bough]

minecraft spagetti

[versed violet]

not enough layers for lasagne either. ravioli?

[warm bough]

lemme zoom in

[amber jacinth]

Fr, SAM to reanimated SAM is an awful conversion…

[ashen girder]

24 SAM per Fluctuator.

[amber jacinth]

The early SAM conversions are really what’s annoying me for Ficsite fuel productions

Clean plutonium! But a byproduct of 112 oscillators!

[tame harbor]

okay, getting 2x the power shards out of slugs from suing sloops is great

[warm bough]

my SAM to Reanimated SAM System

[modern tundra]

Man, everyone is getting deep in their games. I'm having to limit my game playing since I am having elbow issues with my main mouse hand 😭

[tame harbor]

i have work

[tough pasture]

Anybody want to do some quick( not quick) math for me on a google doc

[modern tundra]

I work as well so I have that going at the same time

[fervent vortex]

Hey, I just wanted to check if we have an updated tier list of alt recipes now that 1.0 is out, since the old tier list resource seems to be outdated.

[analog loom]

Any ideas for this?

[tame harbor]

best bet is probably just alternating splitters with mergers

[open wolf]

if u trial and error enough splitters and mergers it will work

[tame harbor]

you are making 75% of the screws you need

i think

what are you making the screws with and for?

[open wolf]

nah hes got enough screws

[tame harbor]

oh missed the 92.903 was split

[open wolf]

if you have smart splitters itll be easy asf

[tame harbor]

yeah alternating in mergers with splitters is the play

[open wolf]

but if youre using mk2 belts im guessing you dont

[fierce ruin]

isn't it 1 water extractor for every 8 coal gens?

[tame harbor]

neg

3 waters per 4 coal

[fierce ruin]

bruh when did that change

[tame harbor]

dodgammnit the wiki is breaking for me

[calm mauve]

3 extractors for 8 gens and 120 coal

gotta spread the 3 extractors out along the 8 gens

[tame harbor]

because lmao mk1 pipes

[fierce ruin]

mk1 pipes are so annoying

[wind sandal]

Is stitched iron plate recipe just terrible now? I mean it gets rid of screws but.... it seems a lot worse for efficiency or am I missing something?

[inner crypt]

Im just aboutta start tier 4 and plan on tearing everything down, what should i be making? Whats important to make lots of

[tame harbor]

it's faster and you need less belts to feed it

that's the main advantage

really just "no loner needing to use screws" is good enough for most people

[wind sandal]

heh

[analog loom]

i have smart splitters but i'd still need to use mk3 belts unless i find the proper points to inject

[hybrid granite]

I'm having such a great time
Turns out it's entirely possible to get the alien power augmenter without actually using any power for automation

[tame harbor]

well if you have mk3 belts then use those

[analog loom]

i dont

[wind sandal]

uh what does that mean?

[tame harbor]

misread what you meant sorry

[hybrid granite]

It means I'm gonna get free power, I'm still on biomass XD

[wind sandal]

ooh lol

I'm still trying to figure out what I'm going to do.....

[hybrid granite]

And technically I could've done it without any power usage

[tame harbor]

yeah being able to use "freely acquired" computers to make augmenters is kinda nice

[wind sandal]

I'm stuck on that research cause I need steel pipes

[tame harbor]

can "acquire" those as well

[hybrid granite]

The thing you need the most of is steel pipes, which takes a while when you haven't unlocked steel
Luckily there's a decent amount with drop pods and in the doggo cave

[tame harbor]

alos by GOD the best addition is that "make steel pipes from iron ingots" recipe

[hybrid granite]

That too, though I haven't unlocked it

I don't know if it's available until you actually unlock steel

[tame harbor]

(shamlessly stolen from the subreddit but still funni)

[minor tartan]

regular can’t figure out 90 degree angle
straight let’s do this in the worst way

[open wolf]

@analog loom why didnt you say you had smart splitters haha, makes it so much easier. got a diagram give us a sec to upload

A2 is the 92.903 total assemblers
A1 is the other 2 assemblers
0–> is overflow setting
SS is smart splitter
M is merger

Give me a break, I have bad pencils

[calm mauve]

issues Priceline some crayons

[open wolf]

no

also @analog loom it goes without saying but both the belts leading into the a1 assemblers need to be mk2

[simple oracle]

how are lots of coal plants usually set up if water extractors aren't in front of them? do you just build over water and forget about that?

[calm mauve]

top one is most common solution

[simple oracle]

yeah that's what i have right now but i'm not sure what way to expand it

[calm mauve]

just make more 8:3 setups

[analog loom]

I usually build coal and nuclear plants, or really anything requiring significant quantities of water over the biggest lake and belt/truck/train the other resources to it

plenty of room to expand

[analog loom]

tbh i unlocked them after I asked the question lol, and i haven't used them in quite awhile

[open wolf]

well they are good asf

[flint patrol]

Is maths and Excel spreadsheets necessary in Satisfactory?

[open wolf]

no but pen and paper is good

[flint patrol]

To understand what each base is for and what resources are there?

[open wolf]

unless you going for maximum efficiency and simplicity its not necessary

everything is just simple maths if you break it down into steps

[flint patrol]

Ok I'll just use paper or something for what each base holds and what resources it has

Or is there signs for that or smth

[open wolf]

its good for keeping track of whats going on in late game

or middle game now that 1.0 is out

[flint patrol]

Are there signs in the game?

[flint patrol]

Like can you give me an example of what I need to note down?

[open wolf]

there are led signs you can unlock

[flint patrol]

Oh interesting

[open wolf]

with images and/or text

[flint patrol]

That would be really good for people just wanting to have fun but wanting to keep some sort of efficiency

[open wolf]

I just plan on paper when making a new factory (big or small) so theres less trial and error when actually building it in game. Its not necessary though it just depends on how you want to play the game

[open wolf]

like this

[flint patrol]

I like yoloing it, helps learning and helps seeing what works with what and what doesn't

[open wolf]

yeah well if you are doing your first run planning on paper probably isnt wise until lateish game

[flint patrol]

Yeah well I'm doing my first proper playthrough

I have two friends that would slap me if they saw my first world's save

[fierce ruin]

so if i doubled the size of it would it still work like feed 6 extractors into 6 different places on 16 gens?

[calm mauve]

yes

[fierce ruin]

that makes my problem so much easier

just gotta feed new piping between the extractors and existing pipe

thats on the gens

[calm mauve]

you would need mk3 belts for that

[fierce ruin]

i have mk3

idk if there would be a issue but im running this off of 2 overclocked mk2 miners

[calm mauve]

240 coal is whats needed

[fierce ruin]

i have 60 gens

[calm mauve]

240 for 16

[fierce ruin]

okay

has the math for this stuff changed?

[calm mauve]

nope

[fierce ruin]

probably just me getting mixed up then since the last time i played

been 2 or 3 years

[analog loom]

will this balance out how I think? Top feeds down till it runs out, topped off by splitter. bottom feeds up till runs out, topped off by splitter. middle two fully fed by splitter. this is all rods and plates

[open wolf]

if you only have 4 smelters why not just use a single mk2 belt line

[analog loom]

6 smelters

and i have limited access to RIP's until this factory is fully functioning

[open wolf]

as long as you have enough iron ingots yeah it'll work. will take a while to get up to speed though

[quaint pawn]

120 items/minute, each smelter 30 ores/minute => 6 smelters/node

[analog loom]

what? lol

[fierce ruin]

idk where to ask this

encased industrial pipe or bolted frame? or reroll

[fierce ruin]

thats some wishful math

[open wolf]

im guessing the leftmost merger isnt connected to the splitter right next to it

[calm mauve]

i'd reroll if you dont plan on using either of those

[fierce ruin]

i love how this looks and idk why

[fierce ruin]

lets hope it dont get charcoal or biocoal

[analog loom]

if you mean the merger on the smelter, then you're correct

[calm mauve]

if you do you can just not chose either so they both get removed from the pool

[fierce ruin]

oh i didn't know that

nice to know

[calm mauve]

its a new 1.0 thing

[fierce ruin]

got copper rotors and basic iron ingot

ah

[open wolf]

yeah then you should be chillin. you can manually put max iron ingots into the constructor's input slot if you want it to run at full steam right away, or just wait

[calm mauve]

alloy ingot?

[fierce ruin]

no basic iron ingot, limestone and iron

idk why i'd use limestone for that

[calm mauve]

you dont have to decide now. keep it unselected

[fierce ruin]

yeah

[analog loom]

perty

[calm mauve]

think of all the smart plating you can make with that!

[old plaza]

is the "diluted packaged fuel" recipe still in the game? or have I been rolling all my hard drives for nothing?

[calm mauve]

its still in the game, not sure of the exact prereqs for it now

[analog loom]

its still there but if you cant craft it yet, you wont get the recipe

[calm mauve]

is it in the mam near turbo fuel?

[fierce ruin]

lemem grab a picture of mine

[calm mauve]

i havnt looked yet as im not that far in

[old plaza]

I have unlocked fuel, packagers and fuelgenerators

[fierce ruin]

the building is fr from finished, our architect needs to get on

[analog loom]

yea i told myself the same thing when i hooked up my assemblers... im in a singleplayer world

[fierce ruin]

server with like 9 people, 2 or 3 have no idea how to play, 2 haven't been able to get on due to work and 1 like hasn't been on since his gamke crashed once

i have been up an extremely long time building everything mostly alone

they decided to move the factory and decontructed our starter area compelteloy before even starting the new main factory

so that was a pain

[analog loom]

i usually have trouble with building factories that have large numbers of assemblers or small to large amounts of manufacturers. anymore than 1 or 2 inputs burns me out

[calm mauve]

blueprints can help a lot with that

you can have a set of machines pre done with lifts and spliters and power already connected

[analog loom]

how so?

[fierce ruin]

our rotors and reinforced iron plates

[calm mauve]

even a basic BP with just 1 manufacterer with 4 lifts set to different levels and a spliter on each can save you a bunch of time

[analog loom]

do you have one on hand to show off?

[calm mauve]

alas im at work

[fierce ruin]

isn't there a blueprint thing you can look at or does that only show blueprints you make

[calm mauve]

the BP machine will only show you ones you have made in the save. you can copy paste other peeps bp's into the correct folder. but you have to stop start the game for it to update

[fierce ruin]

ah i wish there was steam workshop for bps

[calm mauve]

imagine the red lines are lifts snapped direct into the manufacturer

you can then snap a spliter onto each lift end

do that as a BP will save you a bunch of fiddling around

[fierce ruin]

nice

[indigo lily]

truck depot worth using for like motor factory bringing stuff over or should i just build it all onsite

[calm mauve]

trucks are deffinately an acquired taste

[indigo lily]

like for instance to make stators u need wire and steel pipes are you just building them all on site?

[fierce ruin]

i like my trucks when i need to transport stuff myself

[indigo lily]

yeah first playthrough for me in years i dont understand when i should use trains and trucks and such

feels like if i can build it all onsite thats the best but using those transports seem cool lol

[fierce ruin]

trains>>

[indigo lily]

not there yet but im excited

[fierce ruin]

i love trains, i built like a 9 car train one time

10 with engine

[indigo lily]

i still need to make stator motor factory but im struggling lol

[fierce ruin]

iron wire makes you not need copper

[indigo lily]

i want that one and i also saw one that uses straight iron for steel pipes

ive been runnin around like a chicken gettin drives but i keep getting screwed

[fierce ruin]

explorer

[indigo lily]

?

[fierce ruin]

i ran around the map got 8 of em and scouted a ton of area

the vehicle

the explorer

[analog loom]

How many total alt recipes and hard drives are there as of 1.0?

[calm mauve]

I'd make all that in the one spot

[random creek]

Not sure. But there is more drives than recipes

[uncut grail]

97 hard drives and acording to google 130 recipes

[calm mauve]

you could count the alts here https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[uncut grail]

if im counting right 122 so google was close

[random creek]

Makes no sense sence the devs have said there are more drives than recipes 🧐

[indigo lily]

is there like certain paths you can drive that i can learn or something lol i feeel like most terrain is so undrivable

[fierce ruin]

there are def roads

satisfactory caculator shows more then 100 atleast

i think it was like 130

[uncut grail]

yeah and there's 97 in the world but i assume there's a way to get 3 in a different way perhaps but there for sure isn't more drives than recopies unless some recipes were removed.

[fierce ruin]

satisfactory caculators shows over a 100 drives

[uncut grail]

huh. well im not sure then

[fierce ruin]

118 to be specific

[random creek]

That's alot of drives O.O

[crimson fox]

Im having issues with water not reaching the end of these tubes
How fix?

[analog loom]

Do drives show up with a checkmark after you gather them? Like nodes do when you put down a miner

[outer cradle]

they get greyed out

[outer cradle]

on this map atleast

[amber jacinth]

Assuming the ratio you're using is 3 pumps to 8 coals... the pipes cannot physically handle the water being moved through.

[crimson fox]

oh alr thanks

[amber jacinth]

Trying to push 360/m water through 300/m pipes is not recommended 😛

[analog loom]

Gotta use that bonus space ya know

[sand epoch]

Some alts are done in the mam

[wind sandal]

Is there any reason I wouldn't turn slugs into powershards (once the research is done)

[amber jacinth]

No reason at all

[deep citrus]

You can use somersloops in constructors to get more shards before you can make them

[wind sandal]

yeah but.... I haven't been able to complete that research yet 😦

[oblique hollow]

Takes oil to do that

[deep citrus]

You can look around for stuff at drop pods

[wind sandal]

yeah, I've been doing that. I can't find enough steel pipes

[oblique hollow]

Too much effort id rather just get to oil myself xd

[arctic shell]

how can I improve my designs I in the early game

[calm mauve]

i would build them in the BP machine, so you can add more capacity easily

[arctic shell]

Thx

[vapid gorge]

seems fine? jsut manifold it all and it's easy and quick

[crimson fox]

I upgraded my pipes and im having the same problem?

[oblique hollow]

have you checked the water extractors?
Are they idling?

[crimson fox]

a couple of them idle every now and then

[oblique hollow]

it might be head lift.
the nearest pump can at best be near the top of the extractor's round housing

any higher and the pump doesnt work at all

lower down it works

[crimson fox]

i have a headlift right where the pipes start to go up

[oblique hollow]

right.
have you checked flow rate on that pump?

[crimson fox]

i have 18 coal gens and 7 water pumps so it should be more than enough water

[oblique hollow]

that is 810/min water

how many pipes are you using here?

and is it mk 1 or mk. 2?

[crimson fox]

mk2

[oblique hollow]

mk 2 can only do 600
are you pushing it all into a single mk 2?

[crimson fox]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-gif-20411229

yeah...

[oblique hollow]

that wont work either then

[rose coral]

hi guys whats the 1.0 math and meta thing that was not in update 8 or before

[oblique hollow]

I dunno what you mean sorry

[rose coral]

whats the meta, new way of doing thing, idk

new preferred recipe etc

[oblique hollow]

Meta too fresh to say

But the new steel recipes are pretty dope

Steel pipes and beams had 0 alts before this

[rose coral]

wait they have alt

[oblique hollow]

Yep

[rose coral]

ooooo i am just about to get to steel

[oblique hollow]

The ones to mention are the molded beam and molded pipe
as well as iron pipe

[rose coral]

okkk, am gonna hunt some hard drives then, was thinking of not doing any alt recipe stuff before tier 8/9

[oblique hollow]

Alt recipes are very neat at ever tier

Their effects cascade up the recipe chain

[rose coral]

i just dont wanna rebuild factory every tier and stuff, but if the recipe is good enough for it then fine

[oblique hollow]

You dont have to rebuild

[vapid gorge]

recipes are largely situational, they give you options to build new factories in different ways and resources

[oblique hollow]

Just encorporate new recipee in new factories

[rose coral]

https://tenor.com/view/numil-spyx-family-gif-26001268

feels complicated am gonna stick to default recipe

[upper arrow]

i have this setup rn and im wondering why its not smoothly
each has an output of 30 iron ingots so it should get up to 120
i put each belt which needs to handle above 60 as mk2 but i still have idle stuff beacuse of this

i know those one spliter/merger after another take some time to balance out but idk i feel i fucked up somewhere (into 8 constructor)

i put 100 iron ingots into the first constructor to see if it fills up the belt and starts stocking up the other belt but no

[chrome orchid]

hmm

it just seems like only the last merger is actually doing something, don't want to sound rude but are you sure the middle one is connected / turned in the right way?

[mental spruce]

You're belt right after the smelters need to be adjusted. Seems like youre smelters are running full cause belts are to slow

You'll need at least MK2 after the second merger.

[chrome orchid]

the speed should be ok, just seems like a saturated belt, mk1 just behind smelter, mk2 after merger idd

[upper arrow]

dw
the belts are moving stuff so i know everything goes to the same direction

regarding speed i have mk2 belts after the second merger because its 90 items

[chrome orchid]

still in the screenshot it seems only 1 smelter is actually outputting, hence the delay between ingots

[mental spruce]

You do have Mk1 belt after the last merger mate.

Right in the corner

[upper arrow]

they are full

cause of the backlog

[upper arrow]

? thats mk2

[mental spruce]

no

thats mk1. you can see the same belt next to smelter and constructor

[chrome orchid]

can you try removing the mergers and replacing them? not sure if you placed mergers first and then belts but in the past you could clip mergers by accident, making it seem like they are working on foundations

[upper arrow]

im telling you its mk2

[mental spruce]

hmm. ok.

[upper arrow]

both belts look the same because i made one belt mk2 to see if it does smth

[mental spruce]

kk

In that case i agree with djscorpio. youre probably best of rebuilding the mergers.

[chrome orchid]

foundations can do weird things 😄

but same goes with conveyor lifts

[rose coral]

i dont understand if you have correct stuff

[upper arrow]

i tried to redo the corner from above and idk why but even tho shit comes from smelter into constructor

no wait

[rose coral]

maybe if i could join i will fix

[chrome orchid]

i could go in a voice call so you can share screen, i'm only waiting for hard drives to finish 😄

[upper arrow]

gimme a sec

[chrome orchid]

that seems off btw

i tried to recreate it but the angle shouldn't be possible

[mental spruce]

yeah maybe you didnt connect that merger. sometimes it happens that you can place a belt foundation just right under it

[chrome orchid]

idd as i said before

[mental spruce]

But that wouldnt explain why the first fewconstructoir have iron ingots on the belt

few constructor*

[upper arrow]

okay quickly rebuilding this line but what wouldnt make sense to me then is how is every line moving

like its n ot perma stuck its slowly moving, nothing stays permanently as if it had an end

[mental spruce]

Did you place the belt before placing the merger?

So merger snap onto the belt?

[rose coral]

smelter 1 + smelter 2 = 60 2x mk1 belt

• smelter 3 = 90 1x mk1 belt | 1x mk2 belt
• smelter 4 = 120 1x mk1 belt | 1x mk2 belt

• split 60cons/60next = 2x mk1 belt
• split 30cons/30next = 2x mk1 belt
• split ....... = 2x mk1 belt

[chrome orchid]

this is the closest angle you can do to a merger

as you see, no clipping as there was in yours

[upper arrow]

yes and yes

[upper arrow]

i did it the other way around
i placed a straight belt, placed the merger, removed access b elt so i can have a clean entrance

[mental spruce]

Was it an mk1 belt at first?

[chrome orchid]

also after the smelters, do you see every single line "lose" 1 of their ingot? they should alternate between line

[rose coral]

just put all merger and splitter first, then connect them all with appropriate belts

[upper arrow]

oh you think that could have been the issue?

[mental spruce]

Maybe you have a lil bit of a mk1 belt left insinde that merger

[upper arrow]

i redid everything the same way i did before, same layout etc but i started the mainbelt with mk2

[mental spruce]

That did happen to me a few times

Thats the reason why i start building merger and splitter before doing belts now 😄

[rose coral]

bro doing manifolds, nobody goes conveyor merger/splitter conveyor merger/splitter... everyone just goes all merger/splitter then conveyors

[mental spruce]

naaaahh he placed the belt first and then started to snap merger and splitter onto the belt

[rose coral]

noooooo thats bad

and slow way to build....

[chrome orchid]

did you get it resolved? i am available to check things out

[mental spruce]

yeah it is bad 😄

Everybody started slow. Dont forget that.

[upper arrow]

seems that was the issue yeah

[chrome orchid]

i still do the belt and then merger splitters sometimes, holding control while placing works fine

[rose coral]

ok ok, but people figure out putting merger / splitter first then connecting conveyor very early

[upper arrow]

i mean in itself it isnt that slow i can just move my mouse along the belt and just use the snap feature to place the splitter/merger

[chrome orchid]

mostly for belts running off the ground through 🙂

[mental spruce]

Well now he figured it out.

Dont forget that you dont know how long hes playing... 😄

[chrome orchid]

but glad it is resolved Zod, enjoy the game 😉

[upper arrow]

i played like on and off since epic release but i never really had that issue, idk if it was luck or i just always did balancer builds

[mental spruce]

it was just unlucky that one lil bit of mk1 belt was left

[upper arrow]

i think i just always did balancer setups which was a reason why i never played the game for too long when i played due to burning out for trying to balance everything perfectly while making it look tidy/neat

[mental spruce]

When i did supercomputer in my old savefile i had prob 20 merger and splitter connected

all was working for a few minutes

and then it always stopped

[chrome orchid]

haha 😄 turbofuel setups or nuclear tends to do that too but mostly was the mk2 pipe issue

[mental spruce]

Took me 3 hours to find out that i connected one merger with copper ingots into a belt that was supposed to have cable

Since this problem is fixed ill continue to build my plastic and rubber refinery. Have a good day everyone 🙂

[upper arrow]

another i question i have is about alternate recipe, outside of the screw one are there other must have recipes?

[chrome orchid]

cast screw and iron wire are really good

stitched iron plate in combination with iron wire ❤️

[wind spade]

None are must have, not even the screw one

[nova steppe]

Yo Im doing modular factories on 1.0, This may just be a dumb question (Like most of mine in this channel). But I'm making 40 computers/min. For Adaptive Control Units, I want to transfer over 6/min to a separate factory for Space elevator parts. For such small amounts, is it worth to use a train?

[chrome orchid]

i also enjoy the steel rotor one so that with the standard stator one makes it easy to use the same materials to start on engines, same ratio for output, so 2 rotor and 2 stator assemblers will go into 1 assember for motors

[chrome orchid]

depends, is the distance far? is the train built already? to me 6/min ain't really worth it unless you have more goods that need to go to the same location

[wind spade]

Super expensive recipe 😦 try copper rotor

[nova steppe]

The Distance will be far, and it will be a factory that will make All Space elevator parts

[chrome orchid]

its not really expensive and i'd try copper rotor if i had it haha 😄 but i dislike using copper too much seeing iron is more available in the game, iron wire does the trick for me 🙂

[chrome orchid]

then i assume more parts will go there and the number will increase /min, making it a viable option

[wind spade]

With copper rotor and steamed sheets it's 8 copper ore -> 10 rotors

And you won't run out of resources, there's like no chance

[chrome orchid]

that is what my mates keep saying but i have before 😄 maybe with converter it'll be better 🙂

[wind spade]

Before we didn't have mk6s

[chrome orchid]

idd

[ancient oriole]

Thats wild. Turning less into more. You can have more rotors p/min than you could have copper ore p/min, I take it?

[wind spade]

Yeah. You need to add a few screws tho, but it's also not much

[ancient oriole]

Screws, my beloved

[wind spade]

[outer vale]

Lesson learned: If you ask what alt recipes to use you'll get the "they're all situational, follow your heart", but if you just say which one you're using you'll get actual recommendations 😉

[ebon pilot]

The pure copper nerf is real XD

[hot hare]

I want that emoji

[main atlas]

lol in my case they did both, one guy said whatever floats the boat but the other guy said just reroll 💀

[wind spade]

it's always "follow your heart" tho

[main atlas]

hasnt been for me

most people gave actual answers

[wind spade]

"actual answers" are their personal opinions which may not align with your preferences

[main atlas]

well... tf do i do with steamed copper when i didnt even have steam unlocked lol

[wind spade]

it's like asking "what is the best car" and some guy saying "toyota yaris"
doesn't mean that the car is best or that everyone should go buy it. It just means that person prefers that car over others

[main atlas]

oh i see

[wind spade]

unfortunately most people think that popular = good, which just isn't true

[main atlas]

well my usual questions were related to if its actually useful for small factories and rate/min logic, most just either say yes or no

true

[wind spade]

if you specify exactly your situation, preferences and goals, then the yes/no could actually be useful. But so far I haven't seen anyone specify all of that when asking (because that'd be a lot of text to go through)

[main atlas]

well im in rocky desert and most building places are a pain to build on

[river night]

most people honestly overthink recipe selection, when it comes to what harddrive result to pick... pick getting more harddrives and get both :D, then later if you need to find out which recipe to actually use in your factory, you'll have much more of an idea what you need and what resources you have

[wind spade]

if you want to follow a random guy's opinionated reply, you're free to do so. But I don't recommend that, because then you're playing their game, not your game

for all the others, I try to show them that alt recipe selection is situational

[main atlas]

i see..

yeah i have no math skills

[wind spade]

may be a wrong game to play then 😛

[vast jungle]

you can use "satisfactory tools" to compensate

[sterile harbor]

if i were to put the space elevator on foundations, how big of a square would it need to be to fit it

[wind spade]

!wikisearch space_elevator

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=space_elevator

[sterile harbor]

so 7

or 8 just cuz

[analog frigate]

I cannot use truck stations to transport multiple materials without risking clogging the truck inventory right? can't configure it to "keep X amount of material 1, Y amount of material 2...." on truck storage when loading, right?

what about trains? can do that?

[cloud pollen]

no, trains also cant do it. its one station per item if you want to send only one item

[analog frigate]

and one wagon per item

otherwise it might be full if I try to use the same vagon for multiple items, right?

[ashen zealot]

Yeah might get problems if you produce more than one round trip can transport

It can be okay if it's something low volume, let's say you are exporting both heavy frames and motors from steel plant

[analog frigate]

still, for the sake of escalability, I should keep it to one wagon per material, one station per material

I can choose which wagon to unload to, right?

and which train is just passing or loading/unloading, right?

[main atlas]

how come capacity is 840MW, but power dies as soon as the yellow line hits the black one?

[oblique hollow]

Good question

doesnt this mean you have a ton of biomass burners

[main atlas]

i dont have any power cells so how in the hell is capacity more

[analog frigate]

dk, are those extra backup power unfueled biomass burners?

[main atlas]

Yes, But all of them are still filled up

so idk whats up

[oblique hollow]

Restart the game, see what happens

[main atlas]

t was like this yesterday too.. and i just started the game up lol

[wind spade]

@haughty minnow see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[wintry totem]

Guys silly question, it's been awhile since I played and my memory failing, I remember being able to quickly copy and paste buildings, like say a splitter + floating one for two inputs in one line I would copy paste this to the other assemblers instead of manually making splitter then deleting so it floats.

Am I remembering using blueprints or was there a smaller shortcut that did this? I was going to sort out blueprints later but had a feeling there was something like a build mode.

[wind spade]

need blueprints for that

[wintry totem]

Ok cool must have been my past self setting those up as blueprints! Thanks 👍

[golden sonnet]

how do i split 50 per perminute into 5 10 per minutes with only spliiters and mergers

[wind spade]

manifold

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |

[royal yacht]

You can either use a 1:5 balancer which I can send if you really want, or as greeny will probably let explain a manifold is easier

[golden sonnet]

what if i realllly wanted it to be 1:5

how difficult would that be?

[royal yacht]

I’ll grab the pic

[wind spade]

split into 6, loop back one to start

[royal yacht]

The maths is simple but as you can see it’s a bit chunkier and more awkward

[brazen prawn]

ohh you guys are way too good at this

[royal yacht]

Don’t thank me lol I only actually learned the maths for them a week ago

[wind spade]

in genral though, manifolds solve anything and are easier to build in most cases, so I'd recommend that

[golden sonnet]

thank you so much

[golden sonnet]

i did consider it

[cloud pollen]

whenever you want to go with load balancer, if you got prime number of outputs just use prime splitter arrays

[golden sonnet]

but i thought i should extend muself

[brazen prawn]

you're saving the remainder basically I never thought of that

[royal yacht]

Yeah it’s incredibly simple when you think about it

It looks recursive, but due to the way satisfactory does stuff it just kinda works easily

For 1:7 you do a 1:8 and loop back, 1:11 you can do a 1:12 and loop back…

[tame harbor]

finally got fuel power setup before work.

2,500 MW babyyyy

[royal yacht]

Yoooo

[tame harbor]

DDs are so goddamned nice btw

[main thicket]

i have a fuel plant with 70 overclocked generators and i use 2 600 pipes and one 300 to distribute the fuel. What i noticed is that the last generators dont have fuel after some time of running even tho i filled up the entire netork before turning them on. What could be the issue? I tried splitting the 600s into 300s because i thought that it was too many pipes in one

[royal yacht]

Sometimes 600/min has issues, but are you doing a loop around?

[main thicket]

no i havent tried that

[tame harbor]

The buffers for the front ones aren't full yet, drained what fuel that was in the pipe real quick.

One thing I do when setting up is placing a large buffer tank at the end of the pipe and wait for it to fill before hooking generators up to power

[royal yacht]

#math-and-meta message try this, if it still doesn’t work ask again :3

[main thicket]

i have 3 buffers 1 for each pipe just before they start entering the gens and a valve too because i noticed that buffers sometimes drain at like 602per m does that work?

[royal yacht]

Don’t use a valve

Ideally don’t use buffers either

[main thicket]

straight from the turbofuel plant to the gens?

[royal yacht]

That’s the ideal setup yeah

Buffers are basically big pipes that cause bigger issues

[main thicket]

alright i will try that too

[tame harbor]

Yeah my buffer is only for for startup

Once said buffer is drained, or all the generators are on 100% uptime, it goes away

[main thicket]

also i noticed that some packagers that unpack fuel keep it inside of them and the others at the same network are empty and struggling to keep up and i tried to fix it by adding a buffer there too

[royal yacht]

Try checking this out if you get a moment too

[main thicket]

alright

[oblique hollow]

if they cant empty its usually more of a throughput problem and not a capacity problem

Buffers are for capacity mostly

[main thicket]

alright

i will shut it down and try to fix everything again

[oblique hollow]

Make sure that the fluid isnt being piped higher than 10m and that your pipes can actually move whats needed

If it still struggles it may be better to split the pipe network up to reduce the load

[main thicket]

yeah i will use 300 pipes

and probably loop them too

no buffers and valves

[wind spade]

oh, a reasonable person using pipes the "right" way 😮

(tho 600 pipes are fine)

[hard locust]

most optimal recipe for uranium fuel unit with the new recipes

[wind spade]

activate your windows

[hard locust]

IGNORE

its very very few materials for nuclear tbh

you could probably delete 3-4 materials with the converter but i think the energy use is not worth

[spice depot]

idk why I got myself thinking this way but if I have 8 generators that need 360 water/min, 1 row of mk1 pipes aren't gonna do it cause they only supply 300/min

right?

[hard locust]

yea they arent gonna do it

you can use a setup like

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch CG

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

Bleh, use two pipes

[royal yacht]

After I told them to :3

[deft lichen]

my bad, fixing the redirect right now

[hard locust]

3 water extractor, one left one right, the middle one splits into the left and right one, the you feed one pipe from the end and one from the start of the water mainfold in front of the coal generator

idk if it make sense the way i worded it

it would make 2 pipes carry 180 water

[royal yacht]

Or the third in the middle or at either end

[hard locust]

also true

[wind spade]

  G  G  G  G
E-+--+--+--+
E-+
E-+--+--+--+
  G  G  G  G

[spice depot]

ah thank you

[hard locust]

exactly

[eager solar]

Also works if you attach 2 at the end of the pipe and the last one on the other end

[zealous lark]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/s/lQgKWLF7K5

[cloud tree]

How usefull is this recipe considering it only unlocks ||after steel production ||

[ashen girder]

You can use it as part of a chain of alts to make HMFs with only iron.

[gloomy drift]

so how do you guys deal with mid game? I'm in between trucks and trains, and want to create some factories for computers and whatnot. do you just bring raw items to the location or do you make smaller factories and ship out the parts, like sending out circuit boards for computers rather than making them on site

[deft lichen]

every factory is ore in, result out to storage (*dimensional depot)

[cloud tree]

ahh interesting, might be good with the one with the alt recipe water+iron ore = iron

[ashen girder]

This stops working at some point, doesn't it?

Or are you shipping ore places?

[wind spade]

@tiny fog see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[random creek]

To start off what I do is just do a manufacturer with some boxes and just drop the mats off to it. As I actually get what I need to make trains and what not that's when I can start improving infrastructure and fully automating it since computers requires long distance travel otherwise

[tiny fog]

well im conetplating, but i think i wiil go witch copper rotor too get rid of more screw cause screw them

[random creek]

Screw screws - satisfsctory motto

[tiny fog]

wait stitched will get rid of more screws, (wanna make modular frames)

[wind spade]

that was in U2. Since then, screws are completely fine

[random creek]

No

I have a vendetta against screws 😛

[tiny fog]

dont have cast screws, dont want to build so many coinstrucors.....

[wind spade]

cast screws are meh

[gloomy drift]

yeah that's where im hurting right now, putting it all together. might try trucks / tractors

[wind spade]

steel screws on the other hand

[tiny fog]

i havent unlocked steel yet lol

[wind spade]

also, you're gonna build "so many machines" anyway. better get used to it

[random creek]

My turn for a question. Turbo fuel. Diluted packaged fuel for it or not?

[wind spade]

screws are not bad in any way despite people telling you so - that's just them parroting from U2 era

[tiny fog]

i have a super computer tho, i have over 100 coupons from doggos and crash sites xD

[wind spade]

well, up to you (and what your preferences are)

[deft lichen]

you can build like 3 or 4 dimensional storages per every item type worth storing

[ashen girder]

Not what I meant. 😅

[random creek]

Seeing as how I've never done it I have no preference lol. Just wanting to see what people think is the upside and downside

[ashen girder]

I mean when you're building factories that require raw materials that are nowhere near one another. Are you shipping raw materials?

[wind spade]

the problem is that when you ask that way, people turn it into popularity contest and you won't get anything other than "I like" "I don't"

so, better question is - what are you looking for? simplicity? oil efficiency? machine count?

[random creek]

Community opinion. I'm aware that I'll get I like I don't like 🙂

[deft lichen]

yep, via train
pick location to be near as much stuff as possible, ship the rest

[ashen girder]

Wild.

[tame harbor]

With solid steel ingot it's 3 iron+3 coal per pipe using regular recipe

With that it's 4 iron per pipe+more pipes every miniute per constructor

[deft lichen]

by far the simplest logistics though

especially now with depots

[wind spade]

I know that there's tons of things to do, but may be worth updating Independency (and also - alt recipe tutorial) on wiki

don't have much time now, otherwise I'd do that (yes, Dota's international is being played, but that counts as "having no time")

[ashen girder]

Hm. Maybe I'll try that.

[ashen girder]

So, like, even oil?

[cloud tree]

so ur saying this is a HUGE recipe?

[tame harbor]

It's amazing

[cloud tree]

how many p minute would you advice if i make a dedicated pipe factory right now pretty early

[deft lichen]

there's a ton of things to go over, it's somewhere "in the queue" but no idea when I'll get to it 😄

[wind spade]

how many pipes you need for building?

[wind spade]

yeah, just making sure it's there. It's not really something important anyway, but those are like the only two wiki pages I regularly link to 😄

[ashen girder]

With solid steel it's 1 ore and 1 coal to a pipe.

[tame harbor]

I just used up a nearby iron patch worth and called it a day

[deft lichen]

I made exceptions, plastic+rubber was centralized or made offsite

the goal isn't to follow the strategy as strictly as if it was a ruleset

[ashen girder]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[cloud tree]

yeh doign that rn

[wind spade]

check which buildings need pipes and estimate how many you'll build and how often. Produce some small amount, you can always add more if needed

[cloud tree]

was just thinking about hypertubes and have them produced already for future things like stators etc, i can just load and transport them right?

[tiny fog]

I decided thats how my next factory is gonna be

[tame harbor]

shit

Anyway the logistical simplification of iron pipes is still nice

[ashen girder]

Removing an entire resource from a production chain always has some value.

[pseudo moth]

if i have access to nitrogen and blenders, is it better to go for a turbofuel or rocket fuel setup?

[tame harbor]

My gut tells me going for rocket fuel would be worth it (only just entered phase 2 last night), but it depends on where there's a good spot between Oil, Sulfur, and Nitrogen

[pseudo moth]

to me it seems like turning the 300 oil to 666 turbufuel setup into rocket fuel at the end seems like a good deal, and you could reuse compacted coal, saving coal and sulfur

[tame harbor]

Yeah the fact that the Turbofuel upgrades five back compacted coal is pretty

But not enough to fully balance it, though it gets closer if you add lööp

[plucky niche]

does anyone know how many mercer spheres and somersloop are available with 1.0 ?

[deft lichen]

298 spheres 106 sloops

[pseudo moth]

it would look like this

[cloud tree]

and how about this one

[tame harbor]

It takes 4 compacted coal to make 5 turbo fuel, and every 6 turbo fuel into rocket gives 1 compacted coal back.

[deft lichen]

I'm afraid it's too soon to answer whether rocket fuel is worth producing, so it's up to you to decide

[ashen girder]

I've been thinking about this one. They added some new interesting ones.

[maiden arch]

did 1.0 add any new alternate recipes to the game? i'm planning out my factory and using sf wiki to find alternate recipes that i might need, but the wiki is not fully up to date yet

[deft lichen]

recipes are up to date

[tame harbor]

If you add a sloop to the rocket fuel output you get 1 compacted coal per 3 rocket fuel input

[maiden arch]

great

[deft lichen]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Recipes all recipes, with alt recipes at the bottom
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Hard_Drive#Alternate_recipes alt recipes only

[pseudo moth]

whats the calculation to get MW of power by x fuel/min?

do i divide the amount of fuel by its burn rate?

[wind spade]

you divide fuel's energy by gen production to get burn rate

[pseudo moth]

but i have burn rate already

[tame harbor]

Holy moly

A full 600 m^3 pipe of rocket fuel powers 144 fuel generators.

36 GW of power

[wind spade]

then just [amount of fuel per minute] / 60 * [fuel energy] = [power produced]

[pseudo moth]

ty

[cloud tree]

how to use dimensional depot the best way? because early it has slow upload dont i flood it with one resource if i connect everything to mergers?

because if there is smth on the incoming belt that already has max capacity it will block the rest from going in

[tame harbor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1283944204619219036/20240912201521_1.jpg?ex=66e57e78&is=66e42cf8&hm=7bc736479c22fc9b2f97d4569a1e2ed821dbb5b0a4258f9cc4df550f9c9bb742&

If you lack industrial storages then make a splitter off the output line

[cloud tree]

so the trick is to build multiple depots for every product

[wind spade]

one or more depots per resource

[cloud tree]

ahh yeh thx!

[pseudo moth]

okay, so if turn 300 oil to turbofuel, i get 22.222,23 MW

and if i turn that into rocket fuel, i get 66.666,65 MW, besides cutting down on coal and sulfur

i think i'm gonna do it 😈

[vast jungle]

Three times as much energy? Nice

What's the catch?

[pseudo moth]

lmao sorry for sending that screenshot

[vast jungle]

Send it into #screenshots

[pseudo moth]

i've sent the production chain a few messages above, apparently its just that

[quick gorge]

Lore master taking a break from lore.
How's the meta coming along?
I haven't actually built much factory yet in this silly factory game 🙃

Y'all figured out how worth Ficsonium Fuel Rod actually is or should we just flush plut waste? :p

[ashen girder]

They definitely don't produce a lot of energy. I haven't seen how much energy they take to produce in net though.

[quick gorge]

I looked over the recipes while taking my microbreak from lore... just from skimming over I feel like it takes more power to assemble them

[pseudo moth]

how do call it when you dont use manifolds? like when you just use a single line of mergers/splitters

[ashen girder]

...sounds like a manifold.

[ashen girder]

Possibly, but at the same time, you should include the power generation from the plutonium burning too right? Because the alternative is just sinking the fuel rods.

[pseudo moth]

isnt a manifold the one where you evenly distribute resources? (sorry english isnt my first language)

[ashen girder]

Ah, no, that's a balancer.

[pseudo moth]

ohhhhh

[wind spade]

I've heard power negative a few times, but haven't looked at it myself

[wind spade]

no, it's the opposite of that 🙂

[quick gorge]

I mean sure but there's other less ethical ways of plut waste removal, sure you have to manually do it but you'd only need to do it every couple of days

[ashen girder]

I don't see a reason to include manual tasks in the math of the game.

[quick gorge]

🤷‍♂️ sounds right to me tbh

Really depends on if it is negative net, it is an interesting choice but it does have the rule of cool I suppose

[ashen girder]

I think it's negative net by itself.

So you have 3 choices: reprocess to ficsonium, store waste or sink plut rods.

So you're basically paying energy to not have waste stacking up over time.

[quick gorge]

I might take the chaos option and make Ficsonium, not the rods, the ikea lamp and just have those around the factory going all pulsating and terrifying.

It is the coolest looking item and having them just travel around the base menacingly, likely just have a mk1 go around and eventually turn into rods when I get back to the factory part of this game.

[wind spade]

@lilac dagger see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[pseudo moth]

on one of my older saves i had a mk1 conveyor circle which was just a train of purple power slugs

[ashen girder]

At least those aren't one of the most radioactive items in the game. 😂

[quick gorge]

A train of IKEA lamps :D
I think that would look pretty damn cool!
Have y'all figured out max production of that stuff yet?

[ashen girder]

Nope.

[amber jacinth]

I created a waste-free nuclear setup with 112.5 superposition oscillators as byproduct (all they are used for is the dark energy )

[lilac dagger]

alright, my bad.

[quick gorge]

Using all the uranium on the map (oc) what is the max ikea lamps/m can we make?
if I can get a mk1 belt I will totally make a belt of chaos before going to be processed into rods to be consumed

[amber jacinth]

Conversion rate of SAM is terrible, and it's a 1:2 ratio for plut waste deletion.
The SAM conversion si what gets ya, though. The amount of dark energy needed for the fuel rods is insane.

[true cliff]

how far does mk6 go

[ashen girder]

Presumably 56m, same as the others.

[true cliff]

ic ty

[tame harbor]

Does sinking plutonium rods "waste" more energy?

[ashen girder]

Define waste?

[tawny chasm]

don't you want to use them for power? 😛

[ashen girder]

Plutonium rods are the highest density fuel in the game, so sinking them is literally throwing that in the bin.

[pseudo moth]

but the coupons 😭

[still blade]

how do I split 48 items/min like this?

[wind spade]

manifold

[tawny chasm]

manifold

[ashen girder]

manifold

[amber jacinth]

The question most will have now is whether or not it's worth it to convert the plutonium waste into ficsonium, as the recipes are that much more complicated and require a crazy amount of power to pull off... e.g. "is the power produced by ficsonium & plutonium a net positive?"

[ashen girder]

I'm pretty sure it's net negative to do that.

If you're okay just storing it, it's more efficient to do that.

[pseudo moth]

as long as they dont exceed belt limit, items dont need to be evenly distributed, you can do something like this most of the times

[ashen girder]

..why is this on the steam page? 😂

[still blade]

everything can be a canvas

anyways, thanks!

[pseudo moth]

lmao sorry, i drew that for my friend the other day

[ashen girder]

No worries, just seemed like a weird choice of canvas. 🤣

[amber jacinth]

Would love to get some opinions on this...
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=SjDhOK0hstNusUJc7nuy
A few glaring design choices include a limit of 4k SAM (to allow for use in other production lines), and a 2500 uranium limit (the converter is not included in this line).
Do note that I mainly focused on the removal of waste, and used the recipes with the most uranium waste possible.

[slim sorrel]

whats the conversion of plutonium waste to fixonium fuel rods

[amber jacinth]

2 plut waste -> 1 ficsonium rod

[dark lava]

60/min beams and 80/min pipe sound fine just for building?

[slim sorrel]

thank you

[wind spade]

probably more than needed

[ancient oriole]

Make big storage, then just accumulate it there. Its more than needed in most situations.

[tame harbor]

The way I see the ficsonium debate is "by the time I reach tier 9 smarter people than me will have figured it out

[ashen girder]

I'm waiting for someone to come along and calculate the energy costs. 😂

[pseudo moth]

holy sh*t if you make exactly 1200 rocket fuel you get some really smooth numbers

[wind spade]

one container + depot is more than enough for most items

"big storage" is rarely needed (even if you do central storage, one ISC per item is enough in most cases)

[cloud tree]

litteral cheatcode, ||i saved every slug KEK||

same goes for|| alien making protein and capsules||

[dark lava]

maybe half that then? ig it'd give me extra stuff to use later for encased beams

[wind spade]

I mean build whatever 😛 if you have more than you need, you get extra sink points 🙂 if you have less than you need, you build more 🙂

[quick gorge]

This is indeed the correct way :]
Protein/DNA is just a murder economy and I love it

[tame harbor]

Bonus points if you have fauna set to passive

[ashen girder]

You know you can just make shards later on right? 👀

[tame harbor]

Yeah at the end of the game

[quick gorge]

Early game tho

[median void]

Heyo, how much of my Factorio experience with building trains carries over to Satisfactory?

[ashen girder]

Signals are similarish, Trains however don't reroute, always taking the shortest route.

Path signals accomplish the same goals as chain signals but in a different way.

[median void]

I see, cool

[tame harbor]

Saying "you can make X at tier 9" is like saying "why are you belting that steel to your Hub in phase 1 ~1km when you can use drones?"

[ashen girder]

waits to be corrected

[oblique hollow]

transport tycoon trains experience is much more accurate

because that game has path signals

[ashen girder]

Good question for a lot of reasons.

[wind spade]

signals can be copy-pasted 1:1
won't result in best signal combination, but will work

[rose coral]

Having water tower for input into coal plant is such a underrated meta

[tame harbor]

Biggest thing to keep in mind is you need a lot less trains per line, even mk6 belts is barely faster than factorio yellow belts. So imagine only feeding ~1 red belt off of a wagon max with double the slots per wagon and you have an idea of how many trains you'll need per production line

[ashen girder]

Because it's taking advantage of a glitch. 😦

[oblique hollow]

a feature

[lone yacht]

hello, can anyone tell me, what does this percentage mean?

[wind spade]

% of time the machine is running

[tame harbor]

How much time it spends running

[wind spade]

I don't think it's a feature to get free headlift 🤔

[lone yacht]

oh, i get it

[devout sky]

Planned to build a 20 motors / min factory here, but i think i'm too mush in early games for this, it consume almost 1GW and i only produce 2.4GW with coal

[lone yacht]

thanks

[oblique hollow]

its not free tho
you pump up to it and then you can use head lift on the other side for any number of lines

what is sort of a bug is when it manages to add headlift to input and output
that ones a bit wonky and honestly i do not trust it

[wind spade]

extractor -> buffer -> long pipe down -> connect to main pipe -> long pipe up - doesn't need headlift

[ashen girder]

Are they actually pumping fluid up to it? Or using the glitch that lets you do that without that part?

[oblique hollow]

if that buffer ever drains you lose your head lift so its playing with fire

[rose coral]

This is

|| The best way to make super fast coupons ||

[wind spade]

yeah but it's imo a bug, not a feature

[tame harbor]

If your making motors you're almost at fuel generators

And even with the basic rubber and plastic recipes you can get 1.25 GW off of 300 crude oil/minute

[cloud tree]

YESSS but not so early hahahaha now id ont have to hunt, just those few slugs and got 150 shards

Let me be happy ;3

[devout sky]

okay, I'll make oil first

[rose coral]

Water going down always has max flow rate untill it reaches back up to same level.

Pipes have gravity assist in flow rate

[tame harbor]

Don't forget to make some smort splitters to sink the rubber and plastic if your buffers fill up

[rose coral]

Its not a bug

[wind spade]

point is you move your pipe from bottom to top without having to use any pump for it

how is that not a bug

[rose coral]

No, you still have to pump water to tower, but for efficiency tower to coal plant is better than pump to coal plant. Because tower to coal will always have max flow rate

[oblique hollow]

there is a way for no pumps at all

[wind spade]

I dont' have any pump here

[oblique hollow]

which is the tower greeny means

[oblique hollow]

i dont get this one.
is the extractor and buffer somewhere up high

[wind spade]

yes

[oblique hollow]

and the main pipe is the one far below

[wind spade]

yes

[oblique hollow]

thats not free head lift then
you have the top pressurizing the pipe below
you have flow rates mixing

[rose coral]

How do you have extractor high up than buffer

[oblique hollow]

both are on a mountain, on the same height
everything ELSE is below

[north monolith]

How does it differ from irl water towers? Afaik it works the exact same way

[wind spade]

real water towers need pumps to pump uphill

[oblique hollow]

IRL the watertower would overpower any source at the bottom

in satisfactory you dont have that

[rose coral]

Yeah if same hight than understandable the extractor has a pump inbuilt too so you can even have tower a bit higher, does not matter how low the pipe goes then

[wind spade]

the point is that the main pipe you want to go up isn't the pipe from the extractor

found it

[oblique hollow]

that valve trick is dead

[wind spade]

eh, still works without the valve (and keeping the priming source)

was mostly posting for the left part

[oblique hollow]

yes but the difference is that you spend energy on the top water extractor, and that part alone is equivalent to to many applications with parallel pipes rising

You can use a single pump to raise like 50 lines vertically

and we all know thats intended cause the system doesnt divide head lift when it passes through a junction

The only difference here is that you pay 20 MW for a "super pump" sitting up high on a mountain

[wind spade]

afaik you could connect it to multiple pipes to use the single source for multiple pipes headlift

[oblique hollow]

thats what i just said

its the same as using a single pump for bottom feeding manifolds

[wind spade]

oh, 50 lines = 50 pipes, not 50 meters

[oblique hollow]

yes

[wind spade]

for some reason my mind went for meters lol

[oblique hollow]

Pump set the head lift on the output side to a fixed value
and no matter if you have machines that apply 10m connect to the same network
the highest head lift wins

and it sets it to this max value for all connected pipes

We know this is nonsense, it seems broken, but thats just how the system is set up to work

Anything else would mean tracking head lift differences

[quick gorge]

I don't know why, I tabbed back in here to be greeted with just this on my screen and I just giggled. Thanks for that

[oblique hollow]

lots of rambling just to say this here in a convoluted way:

[rose coral]

You are just redirecting input's flow direction by sending it in already max flow pipe+max headlift pipei dont see how that is bug, thats just smart way.

The pipe is not gonna output 300+ water at output, irl the pressure inside pipe by adding the input part would increase the flow rate beyond its limit (overclocked pipe) and if pipe is not strong it explodes.

But in game you only gonna get a max of 300

[quartz loom]

should I make turbofuel instead of regular fuel for fuel power plant?

[wind spade]

one pump should not be able to provide headlift to 50 pipes

[oblique hollow]

diluted fuel is usually enough

[quartz loom]

havent unlocked it yet

[oblique hollow]

the system is set up for this so it does

its not a bug

[wind spade]

should not

[oblique hollow]

its just a design flaw/feature that we'll have to accept
Everything the system does makes that part perfectly logical

[rose coral]

Put the output 30m above watertank, then show me if the output fills up or not

[wind spade]

it will that's not what I'm talking about

[tame harbor]

Setup turbo fuel then when you get Diluted fuel you can double your turbo output

Or by then you'll have nitrogen so you can jump straight to rocket fuel

[quartz loom]

is rocket fuel worth over double turbo? havent gotten there yet so cant do maths myself. just wondering since turbo fuel is over half of rocket fuel energy

[oblique hollow]

None of it seems worth it but it guess its just one way to keep stretching oil for power

at some point you might wanna consider nuclear

[quartz loom]

i just unlocked oil thats a bit far away lol

i also need to get wayyyyyyyy better at infrastructure to be able to handle that. I suck at making connections between factories right now lmao

[oblique hollow]

then so is rocket fuel

[tame harbor]

600 turbo fuel turns into 1,000 rocket fuel

That let's you go from 80 fuel generators, to 240

[quartz loom]

i know, wasnt planning on making it, thats why i said "i havent unlocked it so cant do the maths"

[quartz loom]

oh so its made FROM turbo fuel, gotcha. thought it was a completely other recipe

thanks

[ashen girder]

This is largely because it doesn't meaningfully simulate pressure right? Most real life pumps would just stop working because the pressure from that much liquid.

[oblique hollow]

ye

We got head lift and thats it

[tame harbor]

Just add nitric acid.

In this case 100/minute

[rose coral]

Theres no pressure system, just headlift.

[woven crater]

is S.A.M. bugged? I have a mk2 miner on a normal node but it is saturating a mk3 belt

[oblique hollow]

check the miner menu for output rate

[woven crater]

120/min

[oblique hollow]

cant really confirm they are bugged

mine works like expected