math-and-meta

[arctic gyro]

well, I thinks some of the things I shared could be relevant

if not at least 3 of the things

to both maths and the meta

where I also cannot share screenshots

[vapid gorge]

sounds like someone has never used that channel

[arctic gyro]

I did try

buuut, tried again now, so, hah, silly me

buuut, I was having a nice chat about this massive points project with some guy

How would one sink the most points exactly?

who did the calculations for that? since its on the wiki ?

[wind spade]

Many people

Also the calculation depends on how much extra power you want to make

[arctic gyro]

What does that mean? I just wondered what method they used to get as much as possible? Are there more than one method to get the same amount, I thought the resources were limited?

[wind spade]

It means "how much excess power you want to make" 🙂

Because obviously you're gonna need some for things like trains, hypertubes, pumps, etc.

[arctic gyro]

What excess power could not turn into points?

[wind spade]

Eh?

[arctic gyro]

Let's say you only used geothermal for that stuff

[wind spade]

It's still excess power

[arctic gyro]

Yes so all the excess power would come from all the geothermal nodes in the game

Is there a calculator for this?

[wind spade]

Some yeah

However it's impossible to build anyway

[arctic gyro]

Yeah, I'm more interested in the methods for maximal efficiency, say it would be more point efficient to make alle the oil into turbo rifle ammo or something instead of thermal propulsion rockets or something silly like a million iron ore

[wind spade]

#math-and-meta message

[arctic gyro]

That is a stupid amount of plutonium waste

[wind spade]

130/min?

[arctic gyro]

Are you supposed to build like 1 new container per hour

[wind spade]

That's small

[median heath]

-Wants maximum.
-Wants maximum with efficiency.
-Gets answer.
-Calls answer stupid.

👍

[wind spade]

Given the setup is fictional

[wind spade]

And it's three hours and you can spam containers easily with blueprints

[arctic gyro]

But that is not automation

[sand epoch]

It's not meat to be

[arctic gyro]

And it's not feasible

[sand epoch]

It's waste that can't be removed.

[arctic gyro]

But I'm interested in the actual maximum in a feasible.. Automated way

[sand epoch]

So figure it out.

[arctic gyro]

Not a computer crash, maybe build a 1/100 part of it for fun

[sand epoch]

It's not like the info is hidden. If you really want to know, do the work

[arctic gyro]

I mean, I don't understand why the plutonium fuel rods have to be used and not sunk in the equation

[arctic gyro]

Umm, I did try to look into it, but I thought maybe math and meta would have someone whom already had the knowledge

My bad

[wind spade]

it's not feasible because your PC won't be able to handle it

[wind spade]

because it gives more points the way I sent

[arctic gyro]

Hence it's not the actual maximum, just a fictional one

Also it's not efficient

Because of waste

[wind spade]

it's most efficient

it's literally the most points you can get given those conditions

waste is fine to be stored

[arctic gyro]

Yeah, but that is like getting the maximum out of biofuel, not actually automated

[wind spade]

actual maximum is "whatever your PC can handle", so you can't calculate that

[wind spade]

it is automated, given enough storage

[arctic gyro]

Its automate given enough biofuel and slugs and alien DNA

[wind spade]

what do slugs have to do with it?

[arctic gyro]

It's all something you have to continue gathering as a player like building more storage

[wind spade]

it's completely valid approach. "Expected lifespan of my save is 500 hours at most, so I'm gonna build 500 hours worth of storage, at which point it can be considered automated"

[arctic gyro]

That is like a while new perspective to me

Whole

I didn't even finish the space stuff before 600 hours and I'm still doing stuff

Making my save ready for 1.0

[wind spade]

well it's 500 hours after you start the final factory

save ready for 1.0 = abandon and delete it, start over at 1.0 😛

[arctic gyro]

You monster

What about your lizard doggos

[wind spade]

it's heavily recommended to start over with 1.0, even by devs

[arctic gyro]

Nikola, milo and big doggo?

I might have to

If everything is ruined, but if not I can't see myself having to grind all that again

500 hours is a long time

[wind spade]

there's gonna be a story, some recipes will be changed (if not all), new things added (probably), ... better to experience it again

[arctic gyro]

Ouf, tried to keep myself to like just 3 main areas with my shit

Haven't even been to the desert

[wind spade]

it's also recommended to expand all over the map rather than centralise production to a single place 🙂

[arctic gyro]

Well, 3 different biomes

Isn't that enough? I'm really curious about everyones building ideas and stuff.

But it's like everyone one youtube is building I'm kibitz massive stuff and clean stuff

[wind spade]

yeah don't follow youtubers

they build for content, not because it's good that way

[arctic gyro]

I looked thought all the tips and tricks videos, most that the same things

[wind spade]

I have looked at few and found them very lacking in some aspects

I don't really watch much youtube about Satisfactory, as many of the videos are misleading at best, if not misinformed or straight up wrong

[arctic gyro]

Well, I mean I did learn alot of useful stuff as a new player, like nudging and scroll for alternate Hotkeybars

[wind spade]

that I do not count as tips and tricks, that's just reading the keybinds 🤷‍♂️

[arctic gyro]

Well, i never new how useful that nudge function was untill I saw it being used

And finding that factory calculator tool. But yeah, I'm not sure what I was expecting exactly when I came to this discord

Maybe a better version of tips and tricks

[wind spade]

well calculators are listed in #welcome

and in general the suggestion is to play the game yourself and learn it yourself, instead of asking other people to feed you answers

unless you're trully stuck ofc

[arctic gyro]

Well, it's not that I want any particular answer, it's more that I did experience the game and now I wanna see what other people found out or made, you know cool things, theory crafting a nuclear clean maximize efficiency point maker for every home! Together.. For fun

[wind spade]

well you asked for "max sink points", not "max sink points without waste" 🤷‍♂️

[arctic gyro]

I did, I guess that was my mistake, I mean, I would love to look at the entire thing, and see if there are some sections I could scale down and sink those uranium rods

Plutonium rods*

I mean, I'm saving them in hope of plutonium pasta or something

[wind spade]

I don't think plutonium waste is getting processing

that would defeat it's entire point

[median heath]

☝️

[arctic gyro]

Well that's what snutt said about the other waste previously no?

[wind spade]

no?

[median heath]

No.

[vapid gorge]

This way you can use the nuclear chain and the power plant buildings w/o permanent waste.

that was the point

[arctic gyro]

Ok then, I guess I'll just sink the plutonium rods tomorrow then

[arctic gyro]

Thank you BTW, very nice person you are

[wind spade]

I mean nothing stops you from keeping them 🤷‍♂️

but in general the recommendation is to start over at 1.0 anyway 🙂

[arctic gyro]

Maybe I'll start over with friends and get back to that save aftwards

If I could just transfer bigger building s

[median heath]

That would be boring, imo.

[arctic gyro]

I just finished building a literal skyscraper

And haven't even decorated it into a rocket

Full description above

I mean, in not just gonna leave that just became 1.0 came unless I reaaallly have to and I'm never gonna rebuild that monster

Ohh, sleepy time to tired to type

I'll be back

[wind spade]

you can also just build a new save with new things in mind 🤷‍♂️

you don't "lose" the old save, you can always go back to it if you want to check your build

[arctic gyro]

My torbo tower is perfection

Jk, yeah I know, I'm just weired I guess

Just bit obsessed

How many saves have you had?

[wind spade]

1

if not counting pre-alpha weekend

[arctic gyro]

And you already know your save lifetime estimate?

[wind spade]

no, my save is at ~30 hours, and last played in May 2019

[arctic gyro]

Just too some many questions arise, untill next time my friends

[wind spade]

@strong glen see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[harsh tusk]

Can I make this design larger? And if so, how would I go about doing so?

[wind spade]

wdym larger?

[deft lichen]

!wikisearch manifold

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[true junco]

Weird that they didnt include Aluminum in their list.

[harsh tusk]

aluminum is made with a fluid iirc

[harsh tusk]

nope nvm it's made with foundries not smelters

[harsh tusk]

Why isn't it making shit

[true junco]

You can make aluminum with a smelter

[harsh tusk]

alt recipe?

[true junco]

Yes. "Pure Aluminum Ingot"

[frosty owl]

Now with 100% less Water needed!

[unborn heron]

how in GODS name do you make power not look like a cluster fuck!?

[mystic moon]

Place your poles on foundations and use more of them

[vapid gorge]

also place them next to the machines instead of making a spider web

buy Power Sockets from the awesome shop when you have some coupons

remember what I said about when something isn't working the way you like take a step back and rethink? in this image you're not liking the spider web of cables everywhere but you've placed the power poles all away from their machines some distance.

[true junco]

The wall/ceiling power sockets make a HUGE difference for me.

[mystic moon]

That helps a lot too

I tend to do one power pole for every machine(or every other machine) to keep it neat

[unborn heron]

Why tf cant I connect this middle pipe split, but the one on end works?

youll see one at end works, why wont middle one lemme connect it?

[vapid gorge]

what does it look like when you try to connect it?

have you tried different pipe modes?

[unborn heron]

says pipe has invalid shape???

[vapid gorge]

well I'm going to guess the junction isn't facing it directily?

gonna guess you also put the junctions ON the pipes instead of building the junctions first?

[unborn heron]

I tried both.

[vapid gorge]

well you can change the mode but if it has a problem with the shape I'm gonna guess it's not lined up properly. Try a different pipe mode

or rebuild the junction on the foundation in a more lined up way

[unborn heron]

which is weird, how can It not be lined up its on an even foundation with the posts

[pure plume]

would this work? or would the arrow with the question mark happen, the tube at the bottom is flowing from 2 water extractors

[unborn heron]

its like the pipes aren staying perfectly even... wtf

theyre like slightly lowering causing offsets, how to fix.

[vapid gorge]

what are you trying to do?

[vapid gorge]

take an image from above

[pure plume]

the water is flowing from the right refinery back into the system

[unborn heron]

its offsetting by a centimeter caused by geometry clipping through foundation

[vapid gorge]

I would need an image

[vapid gorge]

you can look at the pipe manual pinned in this channel for a VIP but I find the link I shared to you before more stable and easier to set up

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558721941410807812/1191814973459013722/AluminumRatio.png?ex=66313cb0&is=662feb30&hm=2cf5b5bc99685b09f344fb6a99beafd90a10fdec00a970ecb788e7c477970594&

what you've got currently will almost certainly clog up\

[pure plume]

i just need a little bit for batteries, not a ton

[vapid gorge]

you can still do the image - just a smaller scale. These are ratios

[pure plume]

okay

[vapid gorge]

or use a VIP junction form the pipe manual

I don't like them personally

[unborn heron]

tiny millimeter geometry change fucks up entire pipe setup

[vapid gorge]

it looks way more off than that in your image

but gl

[unborn heron]

I fixed it, just demolished it and raised it by a meter, all better

[median heath]

If you're doing a VIP, you need to use the double-junction configuration.

[median heath]

Is that setup at "sea level" in terms of map height?

[unborn heron]

There was a tiny millimeter of ground clipping through foundation that through off the entire power plant

I raised it and now everything is perfect, god I'm getting obsessive over my factory, tomorrow I'm gonna get my factory reset up and geared for more efficient output on my old ones

I currently have copper plate factory doing 40 per minute, smart plate factory, and reinforced plate factort

Although, I'm only able to do one manufacturer at a time for the smart plates 😦

Idk the best way to feed rotors+reinforced plates in when they come from two separate factories, any clues?

[vapid gorge]

entirely depends on how you like to do things and where those factiories are and how you like to move things

[vapid gorge]

if you're doing smart plating why not just put a couple containers with the parts you need to feed the machine? you dont' need infinite of them

[vapid gorge]

in this example I'd probably find a few alts to help you.

if you use Iron Wire and Steel Rotor you could make them on the same spot

[unborn heron]

Yeah... I'm honestly using the two rotor machines to feed into it and I'm just dropping reinforced plates into it manually lol uhm.. idk how to use or get alt recipes though

Currently my plant is iron rods and screws > rotors

smart plates

[vapid gorge]

find crash sites for hard drives 🙂 once you've gotten a gun, the blade runners and some healing inhalers you're set for exploring

[ivory wedge]

this looks like complete chaos

[vapid gorge]

how so? fresh water goes into one section waste water goes into it's own. Much tidier

[ivory wedge]

looks liek sloppy solution is the best one on the bottom right?

?

[vapid gorge]

define your 'best' ?

[ivory wedge]

lowest input best output

or is the 2 to 3 ratio best

[vapid gorge]

of water? it has the most waste water so you have to supply the least fresh yes

[wind spade]

So most resources per input?

[ivory wedge]

i am just tyring to math here ^ and y es correct

[ivory wedge]

what about power wise

[vapid gorge]

these are just ratios - most scrap per bauxite is either Instant Scrap or Sloppy + Electrode

[vapid gorge]

Can't recall about power but I doubt it's significant. And if you're building with power in mind you're building wrong. Always more power on the map

The bottom right is probably the most used combo after people have unlocked the alts though

[fringe pawn]

I like sloppy alumina and default scrap because of the clean ratios.

[vapid gorge]

anything is a nice ratio with clocking

also you get more scrap from electrode + it's easier to move small amounts of oil than large volumes of coal

[unborn heron]

Am I stupid? I was trying to do a manifold design off a load bearing design so I didnt have to rebuild my factory, and it was.. semi working, until I realized, I didn't build symmetrically, which started leading to LOTS of issues. So to resolve the issue. I did this, where one belt goes one way. merges all of the smelters then loops back around and diverts into the constructors, is this a stupid design? I felt fucking stupid but now I feel like a genius

This is what it looks like

this is what OI WANTED it to look like, but I didnt build it with space in mind. Am I on the right track?

Is there a more efficient way to do that first image?

[wind spade]

what do you mean by efficient?

also manifolds work fine once they are all filled

[vapid gorge]

don't loop belts back into itself
also didn't we talk about you copying designs from other places you didn't understand already?

[fierce ruin]

Noob here, do I need to build another concrete line or it will be fine for a time being?

or should I stop the drill

[vapid gorge]

you'll always be building more, build it when you need it

[true junco]

No need to store ore.
All nodes are infinite.
Machines will shut down if there is no room for their output.
Nothing ever "needs" to stop.
You are probably still using bio burners, it gets a lot better once you get past them.

[unborn heron]

It's my own design, the issue is you cannot manifold it as you cant split + merge to get the belts directly across. The issue is there's that main line going all the way across, because parts of the ingots are being used for other things, and you can't just split merge them. So you have to have the belt split at end to divvy up the ingots, then turn around to go into the manufacturers

I don't see any other possible way to accomplish this in such a tight space.

[vapid gorge]

back i na bit walkign dogs

[unborn heron]

And as you can see on the second image the split at the end feeds into the manifold I've created,and so far it is creating smart plates exceedingly well. It all goes to one reinforced plate machine and 2 rotor machines and a smart plate and it's quite efficient,I could actually probably afford even more assemblers for smart plates as I have an over abundance of parts

The assemblers are on top level, everything is working fantastic, it's just.. how to make it better. I'm about to make a steel factory so I wanna be efficient

[vapid gorge]

so I haven't read everythign yet but - you can always use a manifold

well you can build up

what exactly are you trying to make? with numbers

and do yo uhave a minute to jsut hash this out? I don't want ot have this conversation go over 5 hours

[unborn heron]

Well it's because of how tight I made the factory I think and the fact I made it using the load balancing method, versus all my other factories being manifolds, so I got this weird setup going on where it's all half and half in this one factory, where it's 99% iron rods and ingots which makes screws that go into a rotor machine, which is working Extremely well. Then I have on the side that the ingots feed into, a belt that the ingots feed into that turns into a ingot manifold for plates, which goes into a machine that is also receiving screws from above to create reinforced plates, then above where the screws are coming from, I split it to have screws going to the plates, then they go to rotors. Then I made it so the reinforced plates down below, go along the ceiling to an elevator that feeds into the smart plates machine. Currently, it's working stupendously and really to expand it further into more assemblers, all I need is to just further split the belts and feed it into a new machine. Because all the needed parts are coming from storage, so while I'm not constantly making more, the storage is constantly full and I'm only limited by how fast the assemblers can go. I can use this as passive income towards elevator while I go and start my steel mill

That's currently where I'm at

[vapid gorge]

Ok one of hte issues here is you're giving me a giant block of text with information I don't need

what are you trying to build - how many parts per min from Point A to Point B

[unborn heron]

PPM..? I don't really do that at all. I do 4-4-4-2-1

4 smelters, 4 constructers, 4 constructers, 2 assemblers, 1 assembler

Its a massive operation even though it doesnt sound like a lot

[vapid gorge]

thats not helpful and if you DONT do that this game is going to be hell for you

[unborn heron]

S:

[vapid gorge]

It's not a massive operation you're just making it hell

[unborn heron]

I don't really understand. It looks pretty complicated to me

[vapid gorge]

it sounds like you're doing a single step of processing? It's hard to tell because you just send a block of information without hard numbers

[unborn heron]

All my new factories basically are following this pattern, one manifold of resource, feeds into machine, feeds into another line, which feeds into another manifold and so on

I cant really expand it much more across three factories, or I run into power issues, so it's limited scale ATM, just built 2 new power plants as you see in distance

I have it rather organized outside of power lines

Im about to start building steel plant

[vapid gorge]

Which I mentioned to you before you can just put a pole next to every machine to keep it tidy

[unborn heron]

Yeah, I started doing that on last factory, gonna slowly start improving versus tearing everything down

[vapid gorge]

But without numbers of what you're tryign to move and make I can't help you and you're going ot hate the game if you don't start planning it properly

gl with it

[unborn heron]

Well, Im on phase 2, so I guess im gonna need to get some steel thingies

[vapid gorge]

Like not even a LOT of planning, just very minimal

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=RiDcZbNZb2CB1egZv4yE click the link, maybe something like this will halpe you

[unborn heron]

My brain says.. well I guess if I just do steel manifolds, I can't see how I wouldn't be able to just scale it up. I keep doing that with power plant. Add new plant, extend pipes, add splitter for coal.

the power consumption is the biggest thing, Idk how to even know how many machines I can support, it's.. math

[vapid gorge]

don't mix items and power together imo - your'e asking for trouble

did you click the link?

[unborn heron]

Yes, and power manifolds work identically to any other manifold, so rules apply

[vapid gorge]

that's not the problem - if you change anything in yoru production side of things while it's entangled with power you could seriously fuck up your power and crash things

it's to save you future problems you don't mesh them

... did you look at the link?

[unborn heron]

Oh yeah. That's why I'm making power lines cleaner in my new factories. The power plants power all 4 though. I always put one singular pylon on edge that connects the entire grid together, and yes

Shows me how many constructors needed, so.. what the fuck is 1.333 constructors? Lol, at that point, might as well go to 30 steel beams a minute which is 2 entire constructors, and I assume 60 would be 4 constructors

[vapid gorge]

you can clock a machine to 133%

[unborn heron]

Its just.. how much do I even need, cuz time isn't too much of a giant issue once a plant is running I guess

Oh true. The scale is what's evading me RN, time versus quantity made etc

[vapid gorge]

anyway, it's good to do the half planning with numbers and machines you're having a hard time with, gl with the game

[unborn heron]

Hope its not a dumb question either, why do my my coal plants keep running out of water, I have 2 water pumps and 5 plants.

Unless I need one water pump per plant?

[primal flicker]

Something wrong with the pipes. Can't say without picture.

3/8 satisfies the requirements.

[vapid gorge]

do the math - how much are your water extractors putting out - how much are you generators needing?

[unborn heron]

doesnt look bad to me?

[vapid gorge]

it's just addition - you really need to be doing this especially with power

[unborn heron]

oh...

45 a minute...

and the power plant needs 45 a minute.

So I guess you need one pump per power plant

[vapid gorge]

...

[unborn heron]

err 120*

[primal flicker]

!wikisearch coal_generator

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=coal_generator

[vapid gorge]

what is 45 x 5?

[unborn heron]

sorry misread

so 2.66 fplants for each water pump

[vapid gorge]

sure. The diagram linked to you shows a 3:8 because the numbers work nicely. Pay attention to the layout of hte pipes

[unborn heron]

So 5 water pumps should handle 13 plants

[unborn heron]

Ah I see

the bottom diagram works best for me I think.,

[vapid gorge]

no idea. What do the numbers say?

[unborn heron]

Seems to be the layout I'm going for, and Im saying thats the math

[vapid gorge]

5 extractors to 13 gens at 100% is too much water

[unborn heron]

120 x 5 is 600

[primal flicker]

All three of those are the same ratio in different footprints

[unborn heron]

so therefore 5 pumps gets me 600 water, divide by 45, and I get 13. something

so 5 pumps supports 13 plants

[vapid gorge]

Look, you do you, but you coming back and forth eyeballing things and having problems is extremely frustrating. have a good day

[unborn heron]

It's not eyeballing, it's literally math

At least, I'm doing everything you've told me to do so far and it's helped

[primal flicker]

Set one water extractor to 105 m³/min for consistency then

[unborn heron]

isnt more better?

[primal flicker]

No.

[unborn heron]

Also, cuz game literally doesnt explain it, can I have one singular pipe and have water coming in from multiple junctions and all plants still get adequate water?

[primal flicker]

It must makes your wafer extractors start and stop. No benefit at all from overcapacity.

[unborn heron]

Idk if it needs even distribution. Lol

[primal flicker]

As long as no pipe segment demand ever exceeds its max flow.

[unborn heron]

..Where the hell can I see that xD

OH

I can click on pipes, just noticed

[primal flicker]

Pipe UI
Max 300 m³/min Mk1 pipe

Which is why the tutorial diagram shows how NOT to connect 360 m³/min to any one pipe.

[unborn heron]

Geez. Confusing. well, this is working so far and everything has 50 water in it, so im good for the moment. 🙂

guess I underestimated the values of water pumps.. lol

[harsh tusk]

How much aluminum ingots should one fully over clocked MK2 miner on a pure node make

[wind spade]

one should make however much they need, rather than however many can they pull out of a miner

[vapid gorge]

Also use numbers not node and miner

[harsh tusk]

gonna put 12 refineries down
should that work with 600 bauxite a minute

[vapid gorge]

for the love of automation pleas work out the numbers. What is it with people jsut slapping crap down lately

[wind spade]

also your question depends on recipes and stuff

[harsh tusk]

this is what the production planner says (i have the sloppy alumina recipe)

wait i forgot about the smelter aluminum recipe

[vapid gorge]

a better version https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=hGPPJqHyMDsQQcQSVaQd

[harsh tusk]

Enough for 540 aluminum ingots a minute

Wild

[vapid gorge]

I don't know what you mean, pretty sure I just linked you an exmaple plan for 1 ingot pm

[feral vine]

How many ingots per min do you recon I will ever need for each of them in a single save? tryna build a megafactory and I'd like to have my mind set on this goal.

I should prabably calculate that myself actually because it's a kinda objective question

[wind spade]

my recommendation:

• don't build megafactory
• don't start at ores, start at final product

[feral vine]

It actually makes sense, I would have a lot more ores than final products thus making it easier to start at final products

[wind spade]

decide your goals first, that defines how much ore you need

[feral vine]

Why do I overwhelm my mind ahah

I seriously need to take one thing at a time : )

going fast is how you burn out right?

[harsh tusk]

My smooth brain didn't know how it worked

[next pewter]

Nah, lack of variaty and clarity burns you out. Try to chop a big big goal in pieces, and tackle each piece separately.

[median heath]

Me when people talk about getting burnt out on Satisfactory:

[primal flicker]

Is there an optimal factory planning style for the purposes of minimizing both CPU/GPU load and save/load times?
Or does that just boil down to "MEGA BAD"?

[deft lichen]

outposting is better for performance because not everything is rendered at once

[primal flicker]

So render distance is the dominant factor there?

What is it, anyway? Dependent on video settings?

[deft lichen]

yeah view distance probably has the biggest impact, if I understand it correctly

but on low view distance you get to see LODs directly in front of you

[primal flicker]

Quality ⬇️
Performance ⬆️

So, outposts positioned in such a way that only one is inside view distance at any given time...

[deft lichen]

when I turn towards dune desert my frames drop from 70 to 40

even in rocky desert lol

[primal flicker]

I'm guessing you built a lot in DD

That would imply that render distance is not actually affecting performance that much....

And there are just ways the game needs to be further optimized relative to that data.

[unborn heron]

is there a more efficient way to get two belts on top of each other without it looking ugly? I tried to get everything be a perfect 90 degree turn and clean but.. idk. Cuz obv I gotta merge to seperate sources for coal/iron to make steel, and end up with this idea. is this an ok looking setup for the foundry?

Ima use splitters and what not on top and bottom to feed into foundry, is that the right idea?

[primal flicker]

Conveyor lift floor holes (and temporary foundations) are your friends

[vapid gorge]

you can pretty easily get perfect 90 degree turns? Is that the issue?

I'm not sure what you think is 'wrong' about it

[unborn heron]

You can make holes and not have to clip through floor? Haha

[unborn heron]

Im just being ocd trying to make everything pretty, I have limited experience doing belts on top of each other, so I had one belt coming from one direction, then the other coming from another, so you can see how I loop it around so they both go on top, just dont know if thats how most people do it -_-

Im just tryna stay neat and organized throughout so I dont give myself too much trouble and go by numbers going forward of course

I guess everything doesnt need to be completely perfect -_-

[unborn heron]

Uhm, why do so many builds use this lil loop thing in middle of manifolds? I dont know wtf this is but Ive seen so many builds use it.

How would I even know to use that?

[unborn schooner]

its to split a line 66/33

[unborn heron]

god Im so confused... Especially the fact that I gotta now somehow get modular frames that coincide with my steel factory, my head hurts. But hey, at least I got my steel factory all done now

[unborn schooner]

im not much further in the game then you then i just got done with heavy modular frames

[vapid gorge]

This is what happens when you look at youtube things - we've mentioned this before a number of times

many people do weird things for not great reasons

[unborn heron]

Well it works lol

Just don't understand the why

[vapid gorge]

in this instance it just looks like a u bend in the manifold. I don't think it changes anything

didn't you say before you weren't copying youtube stuff though?

[unborn schooner]

i haven't looked anything up on youtube yet which led to me rebuilding my entire factory like 3 times but its fun to keep finding different ways to improve

i feel like i got a decent understanding of the logistics tho but i havent tried using trains or trucks yet

[unborn heron]

I wasn't, but to get my steel factory going I wanted something to base it off of to start clean, it's working wonderfully, These individual factories are extremely easy, it's the big ones to make all the space elevator parts that hurt my head... almost done with phase 2, just need to get the steel assembled parts now, it's slow going, but I don't think speed is important. Just got all my smart plates

bout 17 hours in almost done with phase 2

[vapid gorge]

well again - you can make manifolds twist and turn however you like, which this just looks like a bent manifold. So it's not special in any way

I'm more worried you don't see it as a normal manifold

[unborn heron]

Im still learning the manifold thing. :/ still new concept to me, most of my factories are using it to a extent. I only struggle with assembler setups.

[unborn schooner]

so far i have just build separate factories completely independent from my main for the space elevator idk if thats the way to go for phase 3 tho

[unborn heron]

Thats what I been doing

Just the.. combining everything is what's boggling my mind. So far I've only been able to achieve one assembler for each space elevator part, it's slow and idk how the hell to scale it up

[unborn schooner]

make use of the conveyer lifts and build more vertical is what ive been doing

for example with assemblers you can do a lower manifold for the left port and a higher manifold for the right port

[vapid gorge]

just two manifolds next to eaach other 🙂 didnt we create some side by side images you were doing?

[silk coral]

how many blenders making encased uranium cells do i need for 6 nuclear plants

[vapid gorge]

depends on recipes and clocking

what have you done to sort out building needs before this?

[silk coral]

i think im gonna just make 75 encased uranium cells/min then make 1.5 fuel rods /min for 6 plants

also wym by building needs

[vapid gorge]

well by now you should have gotten the hang of figureing out parts per minute with various recipes and work with numbers not 'how many buildings' as that just does not work with so many recipe combination

[slim sorrel]

I find that i always need like a 0.587 or something weired for buildings needed for production

[deft lichen]

make parts in multiples or fractions of 45 and it should work nicely

(some oil recipes use 81 instead)

[slim sorrel]

Yeah i usally under clock the last machines to make the numbers for oil needed nice

[deft lichen]

even if there is a repeating decimal, the rounding error will take tens if not hundreds of hours to have any impact

any single power trip will do more damage than all the machines running too fast by 0,0001%

[slim sorrel]

Its better a tiny bit too fast cause it will never have an issue and only impede the uptime by a very tiny percentage

[deft lichen]

yep exactly

if it's slightly too slow, it will slightly decrease the production of the final result

[median heath]

Or just... don't have production that involves repeating decimals.

45-81 rule ftw.

[bright vale]

The bottom belt goes into the splitter and comes out 3 ways. Uses a Mk1 belt so it is 60pm. Comes out of the splitter 20pm three ways.
So what they did was send 20pm up to the merger 2 ways, results in 40pm. The 3rd split goes to the left, which sends 20pm down the line.
TLDR; 40pm up, 20pm left.
Hope that helps better understand it. Its referred to as a "balancer".

[unborn heron]

The number part of this game terrifies me, I've hit my goal for smart plates (500) but I'm on my 17th hour and I'm about to be knee deep in steel. Am I going to slow? I'm having fun, I'm just slow. 😭

[bright vale]

No such thing as slow. There is only the pace you go. Take it in, enjoy it, perfect it. I have 2,000 hours in and have never built nuclear because I enjoy diluted fuel builds to much lol.

[median heath]

"slow" is a matter of perspective.

What you're doing now is fine, and you shouldn't consider it slow at all until you look back from your OWN subsequent playthroughs and see how much progress you made in those in 17 hours compared to what you have done currently.

How "fast" OTHER PEOPLE are is irrelevant to you and should have absolutely NO bearing on your opinion of yourself.

[unborn heron]

🙂 am glad. I'm just trying to figure out how the fuck to mix in a steel plant with modular frames which I'm not even producing at my steel plant. I'll have to find another source of iron and tie it all together. It's about to get insane

[bright vale]

if you started in the green fields, as most do, up the west coast not far up on the first big wooded hill are 3 iron pur enodes and a pure copper.

this is really a great start for metal works

[median heath]

Nothing is insane in this game.

Everything is very basic and simple, just done multiple times. Any "massive" project you can think of can be broken down to its very simple, very basic, very easy components. And you should break it down that way. Because then you are never overwhelmed.

[wind spade]

usually to make it easier I recommend an approach where you produce things out of raw resources separately

so for each new product, you build completely separate factory. See also https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

this imo helps a lot, especially for beginners

[bright vale]

if you dont want to relocate, just keep tying belts together and keep track of your math

[unborn heron]

I'm in rocky fields

[median heath]

Desert*

[unborn heron]

I migrated across the map to where all that coal and water is

Got a steel mill, power and a shit ton of iron

[median heath]

There is coal and water everywhere.

[bright vale]

I agree with greeny. it self organizes this way. you can use trains later to move resulting products, but for now long belts are fine

[unborn heron]

So I'm starting to consolidate yeah

Main factory is at spawn for iron and plates

[bright vale]

coal plant should be your first objective if you havent gotten one up yet

feeding biofuel to keep the lights on is a legit pita

(pita) pain in the as-

[wind spade]

why have lights at biomass stage?

[bright vale]

lol just phrasing, not actual

[unborn heron]

Already done. Got a 5 plant setup that's running 4 factories, although my max consumption is higher than the total, yet the lights have never gone out. Might need to add several plants to expand

[bright vale]

well on your way to your new addiction, i mean.. entertaining pc gaming

[unborn heron]

Bruh it's been almost 20 hours in 3 days. I'm scared.

[true junco]

Come back after its been 20hrs in 1 day. Lmfao

[bright vale]

When the sun breaks through the shade and reminds you that you have 15 mins to get ready for work, better save and shut it off.

I hate mondays

[austere depot]

any1 tryna play multiplayer with me? im bored

[wind spade]

#1201555265942724758

[austere depot]

thanks

[unborn heron]

Thank you guys for the design ideas for the power plant, this shit looks FIRE.

if 5 power plants support one gigantic 4 factory setup, another 5 should also support it too! 🙂

[rustic salmon]

i tryed to have a good design but i think there's something happed wrong hahah

[fierce cypress]

using foundations generally help a lot

[glad gulch]

What's a good computers/min factory?
I have the Silicon circuit board, crystal computer and cheap silica alternate recipes. I checked satisfactory tools a couple days back and I believe I can do 28/min right now with MK2 Miners but when I upgrade to MK3(780 items/m), I believe I can do 46/min.
I have highlighted the location of the ores. 2 pure quartz nodes, 4 pure iron nodes, 2 pure copper nodes and one pure limestone node in the area I plan to build the computer factory. I plan to run a train line through here and a nearby steel factory to bring everything back to my main base over at rocky desert to a supercomputer factory.
If 28/min is good enough, then I will go with a fixed design with 28 Manufacturers. If I need to scale to 46/min after unlocking mk3 miner and mk5 belts, I need to plan for 46 Manufacturers(for the crystal oscillators).
It's my first save, I got about 100 hours on it.

[vapid gorge]

If you don’t have a good use for them 5 pm is more than enough for various building

[median heath]

What's a good computers/min factory?

[oblique hollow]

I settled on 15/min but that is good by my standards

[glad gulch]

Most of it will be going into the sink for now. I guess I will settle for 20/m as I want it to be a large factory for aesthetics' sake(found a nice location for it). I need to stockpile a bunch for my first train network and turbofuel array.

[primal flicker]

If you're going for "arbitrarily large and impressive" I would stick with numbers that lead to easy machine clocking in most cases. 18 or 22.5/min will probably give you fewer decimal places there.

[glad gulch]

Got it, I'll check it out on the calculator before I decide on the final output. Thanks!

[idle stirrup]

One consideration - instead of deciding with an end number of computers in mind - I like to figure out the smallest "set" of machines needed to make ~1 machines worth of the end item (so 1 machines worth of crystal computers is 2.8125 or less). Figure out all of the machines needed leading up to that, and see how you can modularize the set up. I'm playing heavily with blueprints, so I see if I can make a blueprint where I can feed it ingots/crystals/silica and it spits out the end product. Crystal Computer is a great recipe to modularize

[median heath]

Always solve backwards.

[median heath]

Use Tools. It is better.

[primal flicker]

To my point, that same set at 90% capacity is much tidyer to math out.

[burnt wraith]

~35 is enough to make Assembly Director Systems at 10/min (depending on recipes) which is plenty if your goal is just to finish the game in a reasonable amount of time

[true junco]

This is vaguely how ive been doing things lately. Except its a 250% machine.

[unborn heron]

Hmm.. why the heck is my Power shutting down? I look to be staying well below my thresholds.

unless im stupid..

Don't even know what that is, so ima say no

[median heath]

Your power is shutting down because your power is reaching 0 production, which is not a threshold you can stay below.

I'm going to assume Coal, and also assume "badly supplied water" as those are the top 2 reasons people have this issue.

[primal flicker]

I see 3 coal gens going on and off line in tandem. And 4 coal stacks to the right.
Coal ain't coaling.

I bet water.

You need 45/min per coal gen. Or 3/8 of one water extractor, per coal gen.
Or 3 extractors per 8 coal gens.

!wikisearch Coal_Generator

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Coal_Generator

[unborn heron]

Im using bottom method. 4 water pumps with 5 generators

[primal flicker]

What clock speed for water and for generators?

[median heath]

Screenshot, plz.

[primal flicker]

Because you only need 1.875 extractors if generators are at 100%.

[unborn heron]

I think one of the splitters broke TBH. I just saw and coal wasnt going through one of them, it got stuck there for some reason even though it worked before, something changed and it got bugged.. I think everyone is working now. Uhm lemme show you my setup.

[primal flicker]

Have you upgraded any belts after the splitters were placed?

[median heath]

☝️
And did you place the splitters directly onto the belts?

[primal flicker]

That can bug them or more commonly leave a tiny chunk of low mark belt inside.

[unborn heron]

I think so yeah

theyre not perfectly even due to geometry on left clipping, so I had to offset them a tiny smidge

everything is currently on and working, but im a bit concerned about capacity 435 and max cons. 464, does this mean I need even MORE power???

[primal flicker]

Not consistent..
Either your water pipes are not full or your coal belts are under capacity.

[unborn heron]

this feels like overkill

I think it's the pipes tbh, but I dont know how to fix them

[primal flicker]

I start normally with 48 generators.
This is nowhere near overkill.

[unborn heron]

Holy shit, how the hell do I keep all the water without over filling all the pipes?

[primal flicker]

No such thing as overfilling

[unborn heron]

Thats my biggest headache, also it seems like my coal isnt reaching the generators fast enough, so I think I might need faster belts

[primal flicker]

You want them to be 100% full, 100% of the time.

One Mk2 belt can feed 8 generators running at 100%

[unborn heron]

but Isnt there such thing as too much per segment? Thats what I mean

[primal flicker]

Nope

There's a flow limit is all

Not a volume limit

[unborn heron]

Im using mostly mark 1s on the left side, so I should probably upgrade them then, cause there's barely enouh coal reaching them haha

[primal flicker]

The 3:8 configs all show how to avoid pushing >300 m³/min though any part of the pipe

[unborn heron]

Is what im doing with my pipes bad?

I just keep extending the length and it seems to be working fine

then adding pipe segments when it splits to a generator

[primal flicker]

Manually mine some coal speed up filling all the generators. It will stabilize at saturation when everything is full but the last one in line.

Hang on, I'll hop on my save and show an example for reference with feeding

[unborn heron]

well good news, I stabilized the power for now, so at the very least everything is on, but im like, still at capacity even with 10 generators! I guess I need more before I can expand my factories to finish steel modular frames 😦

[primal flicker]

@unborn heron

It's the same 3:8 setup, 6 times.

[unborn heron]

your belt looks just like mine, and layout, but I cant figure out what your pipes are doing

mine looks so ugly! Also damn power just turned off AGAIN somehow 😠

need more generators

[unborn heron]

Mines much... uglier.

[primal flicker]

ALWAYS keep capacity greater than maximum load

[unborn heron]

I upgraded the belt and got a bit more stability

[primal flicker]

Make sure all but the last generator in line has 99 or 100 coal.

[unborn heron]

yeah, seems like it prioritizes fueling them in order.

[primal flicker]

It's because of porportional splitting.

The first one gets 1/2, then the second gets 1/4, the third gets 1/8, etc. Until they get full and overflow.

[unborn heron]

is that what makes capacity keep going down and up? Last one not having enough?

[primal flicker]

Correct. Each 75MW jump is one generator going off/on.

Neatness comes with practice. And blueprints, optionally.

[unborn heron]

Im assuming ones always gonna jump on and off, cuz I have all of the coal coming to this with my mk 2 belt, and it still cant prevent it from happening

if I hadd another generator, it'll just be worse

...more coal? o_O

[primal flicker]

Not always. My line is perfectly flat because I used good design.

[unborn heron]

Ah, didnt think of using elevators to avoid clipping, well, my design works. I think I just need to add another coal source TBH

gotta keep that line chock full of coal so its constantly fueled

[dense cave]

I do the same thing except started running the pipes under the floor. Makes it very clean

[primal flicker]

Floor holes through temporary foundations allow that configuration.

[unborn heron]

just added another coal source and split it between my two belts, I think that should help with capacity 😄

I might be able to add more coal plants now. Is my plant design awful???

[iron harness]

my design is so screwed ive given up fixing it

[primal flicker]

Be sure to do the math

There should be no guesswork here. 60/min = 4 gens. Multiply from there.

[unborn heron]

splitting it adds another 30 per minute to each line

[primal flicker]

Scrap it for a better one then.

[iron harness]

eh good idea

[primal flicker]

Which is equal to 2 gens per side.

All green lights. All the time. That's what happens when you follow the math.

[unborn heron]

christ. We're gonna need a LOT more coal

or miners Mk II!

Ive officially stabilized where Im at

[primal flicker]

Mk2 Miners are recommended. With Mk3 belts to take the output.

8 gens. 120/min coal. Nice. Learn from the process, refine your approach, and repeat.

[unborn heron]

with almost 200 MW to spare, I think I can actually start building a lot more, unless you think I should just keep building up my power 🙂

[wind spade]

that depends what "more" needs 🙂

if it needs more than 200 MW, then build power first

[primal flicker]

Up to you. But figure the power needs of "more" before attempting it. Make sure you will still be within a margin of safety.

[unborn heron]

TBH No fuckin clue lol

I wanna build a mill for steel parts for phase 2

[primal flicker]

Alternatively, take the opportunity to develop more coal power while these ideas are fresh. Do 8 more, or 16 more generators. Then you'll have a lot more freedom to build other things.

[unborn heron]

Which is this, and sucks that it doesnt tell me power cons. Also @primal flicker , How in the hell can I support that if one additional coal source only offers a measely 2 more generators per side?

I would need a LOT of coal sources to expand, and bringing them across the globe to hear seems, unrealistic?

[wind spade]

don't bring them, build where they are

[unborn heron]

You mean build more generators there and not at my giant generator hub?

[wind spade]

it's almost always better to build things near nodes

[primal flicker]

Power shards. I recommend clocking each miner at 200% because it tracks well with the 3:8 ratio.

1 normal node at 200% Mk2 gives 240/min coal.

[unborn heron]

Ah! Forgot about those. I gotta go find me some slugs I guess. I also dont have MK IIs, so thats on the to do list

Im so stuck in phase 2 because of steel, what a massive hurdle between that and power..

im future proofing my shit

[primal flicker]

Don't overdo that. But make sure there's physical space to double your water extractors and generators.

[wind spade]

imo best future proofing is no future proofing

since you never know what future needs, there's no reason to do things for future

[primal flicker]

Unless you do know that you'll exactly double the capacity when you unlock the next miner. And do know that you'll use it.

[unborn schooner]

yippie i used good design bc mine looks exactly the same xD

first thing i made properly then i think

[wind spade]

then just put a splitter after miner and build new things elsewhere

[primal flicker]

Someone was paying attention when ADA said, "Be effective."

[unborn heron]

In this giant open basin of water, im good.

Enormous amount of space

building this has taken so so many hours... -_-

[primal flicker]

That's a good spot for them. The one I showed you is on the east coast by Dune Desert.

[primal flicker]

It should be pretty quick, once you figure out the layout. Don't forget to zoop foundations, and use Ctrl+click to align machines. And blueprint when you can.

[unborn heron]

Blueprint... Oh! Yeah! How do I do that?

I saw youtubers doing that

not sure how to, I have all these machines, you're telling me I can duplicate this shit?

[primal flicker]

It's a milestone unlock. You'll want a relatively flat space 5x5 foundations to place the design frame.

I think it's in T3?

Needs steel.

[wind spade]

and you can't duplicate things that you've built

because they need to specifically be built in the blueprint designer

[unborn heron]

Ah... well, my power has officially stabilized and I think I can start actually factorying again. 😄 Ive bene making a BUNCH of steel pipes and steel beams while doing all this

[unborn schooner]

ye i got 80 of them split in rows of 20 like that

[cinder silo]

No idea what that was about but at least the spam is gone.

[north monolith]

For duplicating things that are already built en masse, there was a mod doing that - Area Actions or something? Not sure if it still works nor if there's an alternative.

Also you can duplicate stuff in the save editor

[ashen stirrup]

Can SCIM or something set geothermal generators so that their cycles align? Trying to time building them precisely enough to match the cycles sounds not quite possible.

[idle stirrup]

Dont know, but what you can do is put all geothermals on a priority power switch, and then don't turn any on until you have them all on the same switch name. Then turn them all on simultaneously

[ashen stirrup]

That's brilliant

Would it work, though? I'm not sure if being disconnected from power consumers would really mean the geothermal doesn't go through its cycle

[idle stirrup]

you want them all to cycle at the same time right? That means you need them to all start on the same second in game. Use a priority switch to keep them all off until they are all connected, then flip the switch to turn them all on at the same time

[delicate pivot]

is this what you want to see? I just hooked them all up without switches on 1 grid. 5 Geos so far.

[wind spade]

Afaik this doesn't work anymore and they have random cycle?

[wind spade]

Why do you want that in the first place?

[idle stirrup]

From the wiki it says: The fluctuation cycle takes one minute, and depends on the time at which the generator was built.

[wind spade]

So built, not enabled with power switch

[idle stirrup]

yeah, I wonder if thats correct though - does the Geothermal start if not connected to a wire?

[wind spade]

Easy to test

[idle stirrup]

true

[delicate pivot]

the geothermals start when built.

[idle stirrup]

Yep, just checked. That's too bad

[wind spade]

why would you want them all the same anyway?

[idle stirrup]

Power graph aesthetics I'd think?

[ashen stirrup]

I want to do the thing where half of them are the same, and half of them are the reverse phase, so that the total generated power is constant

It's mentioned on the wiki page

[vapid gorge]

Odd but ok

I wouldn’t want to run my power so close to the limit for that to make a dif personally but you do you

[idle stirrup]

a steady power graph makes it easy to troubleshoot any new power plants you're constructing/bringing online. Geothermals add complexity to that

especially if you build geothermals before any fuel power - since fuel power is where most people need to troubleshoot their set ups

[frosty owl]

I've seen someone manage to get them all in sync on Reddit, but they used some software to help them placing the generators at the exact moment needed.
Building them via SCIM might have a similar result as they're technically being built (and later loaded when the save is loaded) at the same time...

BTW, funfact: if energy production matches consumption (exactly) the fuse doesn't break. I thought it would, as soon as consumption is not strictly "less than" the production

[wind spade]

have geothermal on separate power network

[wary tulip]

This is the easier method. But you could time the placements so that your wave levels out evenly. Difficult to pull off, but not impossible.

[wind spade]

honestly, no reason to rely on a few extra MW, if you're that close to power limit, then you should build more power, not optimise geothermal offset

[wary tulip]

I don’t think it’s the level that is the question…. But the evenness of the power graph.

[wind spade]

which again you solve by having them on separate network 😄

[wary tulip]

That’s why I agreed, putting it on its own network is the best option.

[wary tulip]

I wonder if putting that variable power system coupled with some power storage would work for powering the transportation network? Trains mainly.

[hard meadow]

Thats what I would do if I was aiming for even and steady power graphs

[true junco]

Trouble shooting power plants is easy. You just isolate them from the grid until you know they work properly. What other power plants are doing shouldnt cause any confusion.

[frosty owl]

~~Wanna challenge that statement in my Sushi Fuel Rods powerplant? ~~

[north monolith]

It's what I had to do with about 18-22GW grid and a modded train going up to 12GW. From breaking fuses to 17GWh storage being almost all the time on 100%.

[wary tulip]

Yeah, the power storage should help balance out variable power. And possible make a pack of biofuel burners to supplement the low points.

[ashen stirrup]

This is fully my motivation, with the rationalization that it makes it easier to tell at a glance if something is going wrong with other power plants.

Having them on a separate power grid is wasteful

[wind spade]

just fyi the unit is "GWh", not "GW/h"

[teal tiger]

lmao why is this even a thing

[vapid gorge]

To have a supply of automated miners. Duh

[bright vale]

Was a streamer who fully automated 200pm I think. Everyone was confused on why anyone would bother. His logical response was, why max production on anything? Its no different than turbomotors.

[austere quest]

For convenience, just like being able to automate biofuel

[north monolith]

Thanks

[north monolith]

If the power storage stopped being stable and started going down, I'd focus on more infinite resources power plants. I somehow feel uncomfortable using biomass burners if I can use anything else. I mean it's a finite resource (automation-wise, as you can't automate hunting for animals for biomass) vs infinite.

[wary tulip]

I find it useful for all the biologicals I generate as I clear factory locations.

[arctic vine]

lads i have a problem.
i got five 650 belts and one 535.93 belt
i want to feed these into ten 375 belts and one 35.93 belt

ideas?

[oblique hollow]

these dont share any neat numbers so a balancer is out of the question. Would be too big and bulky.
only thing would be using overflow

but then you dont get 375 on a belt, but just a full belt and you have to wait for it to back up

[arctic vine]

so there's no feasable way to do it?

[oblique hollow]

how feasible are we talking here

because the only thing i could think of is splitting the 650 belts into 26 belts with 25/min each

[frosty owl]

Feed things, collect overflow.
Merge overflow (on appriapriate amount of belts), feed more things with that, collect overflow if present and reiterate

[oblique hollow]

otherwise, you kinda have to just use the belts as you get them

[arctic vine]

can i stream it in VC?

[frosty owl]

There are none

[oblique hollow]

i dont really need to see it

[arctic vine]

right

[oblique hollow]

you stated the problem clearly

[vapid gorge]

I was trying to explain to them just using the belts as is and merge the outputs in a way that is desirable but they don't want that

[arctic vine]

lemme explain

each of the 375 belts goes into a unit of 12 constructors, 31.25 each

outputting 56.25

each

which comes out at a total of 675 output per unit

is that clearer?

[oblique hollow]

yeah, doesnt help however

[vapid gorge]

we get what you want to do

[wind spade]

my solution would be to not have the belts weird like this and instead route each belt to set of machines that need that much

[vapid gorge]

do you not understrand you can process the lines as is and merge selected machines?

[oblique hollow]

if it was 16 constructors, you would need an input of 500 only and would get 900/min output.
that could be 2 x 450/min belts on output

[arctic vine]

honestly i just wanna turn 3785.93 iron into 6814.67 wire

[vapid gorge]

sure.

[oblique hollow]

so you are using pure iron ingot then, right?

[arctic vine]

lemme see if that's doable

[arctic vine]

yes

[vapid gorge]

does this help explain ?

[arctic vine]

ù

[oblique hollow]

5 refineries to 26 constructors would be the ratio

[vapid gorge]

the black lines are the belts as is and the red lines are merging machines as needed for hte outputs

[arctic vine]

everything is fully overclocked

refineries and constructors

[vapid gorge]

You may have to change some of that yes

[oblique hollow]

still applies

5 refineris at 250% to 26 constructors at 250%

[arctic vine]

except for one of the refineries which is at 74.5077%

[vapid gorge]

or accept having different numbers left on the output belts

[oblique hollow]

that one is treated individually then

[arctic vine]

problem is one belt can only handle 4 refineries at once

[oblique hollow]

or 2.5
split the output from one refinery in half and merge with 2 others

feed that to 13 constructors

I cant really see any other more reasonable way

with the limits youve told us

[arctic vine]

wait lemme process this, i got 23 refineries plus the underclocked one

i need to process those 23 into how many belts?

[oblique hollow]

about 9 ish?

[north monolith]

Ah ok. I use the animals for biofuel for jetpacks and plants I avoid destroying. I replant most of them using a mod if I have to destroy them. I love plants

[oblique hollow]

2 and a half refineries get merged onto one mk 4 belt

23 / 2.5 is 9.2

[arctic vine]

i see

[oblique hollow]

so in total more like 9 belts at 406.25/min and then another one with... whatever is left over

[arctic vine]

mk5 right?

[arctic vine]

which i process individually, right

[oblique hollow]

you can do mk5 but its only 406.25/min

so you could use mk 4

each one of those then feeds 13 constructors

making 731.25/min wire

which fits onto a mk5 belt

[arctic vine]

wheew alright

[oblique hollow]

the last problem is then using all that wire 😂

[arctic vine]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=CX87ImA6hx5T3bQ2HrOC

[oblique hollow]

yeah routing that is gonna be painful

[vapid gorge]

As someone with a lot of experience with this sort of set up I highly recommend you break up that plan into multiple sections rather than have one factory for each item type having to be routed all over the place. In this instance have a section that produces wire for each major section that needs it

[arctic vine]

too late for that

[vapid gorge]

it's never too late

[oblique hollow]

probably "too painful to do that now"

[vapid gorge]

it's like the first stop in the processing chain and you haven't even completed it

[oblique hollow]

which is also fair

[vapid gorge]

less painful than what will be coming up like this

[arctic vine]

factory so far

got the oil-based stuff started and working on the iron

[oblique hollow]

that sure is some beltwork

[vapid gorge]

It's already turning to spaghetti and you want everything going all over the place?

[arctic vine]

Y E S

[vapid gorge]

yeah I never want to see anything you make sorry

[oblique hollow]

thats a bit rood init

[arctic vine]

the 9+1 belts are done

time to make some constructors!

[arctic vine]

tomorrow!

[deft lichen]

just fyi, experimental matches stable right now, so you can opt out and not have to see the red experimental banner
(ideally back up your saves before doing that)

[median heath]

🖇️

😭

[arctic vine]

thanks, knew that, i don't mind the banner :)

[frosty owl]

Stagger the starts and ends of adjacent belts by 1 or 2 meters each belt if you wish for them not to clip

[arctic vine]

i don't mind

[frosty owl]

😭

[arctic vine]

i am releasing all my clipping needs here so i'll have a clean factory in 1.0

i'm planning to make the entire save into one megastructure

[frosty owl]

Do note that in some instances, clipping cuts relatively a lot of corners... In some cases a clipping design can't be "converted" to a non-clipping one, thus making part of your experience non-portable to the "1.0 clean plan"

[frosty owl]

This one or the 1.0 one?

[median heath]

HERESY

[arctic vine]

the 1.0 one

[frosty owl]

Eg: the prior belt example can be easily converted to non-clipping. Others scenarios are much harder or flat out impossible

[harsh tusk]

how would i go about splitting 2 belts into 11 foundries

[median heath]

Manifold.

[harsh tusk]

mmmmmmm yeah

good idea

[wind spade]

@livid meteor here's all the relevant assistance for picking an alt recipe #math-and-meta message

[livid meteor]

Thanks, that really helps me

[nocturne seal]

feed 5 using 1 belt, feed other 5 using the other belt and merge in the middle

[harsh tusk]

i already solved it

[glad gulch]

Does running cables inside foundations count as clipping? Will this also break?

[frosty owl]

"Break"? What are you referring to?

[glad gulch]

I mean when 1.0 is released. Will they stop working(clipped cables).

[wind spade]

clipping is practically fine

only matters if you like it or not

[frosty owl]

I do count it as clipping, but of the minor/harmless kind. In other words: it can make things look better while not making the clipping obvious or visible

[frosty owl]

No, they won't. My comment was about transitioning from a clipping designing habit to a non-clipping one (in a new playthrough at 1.0) and how experience in one field can't be completely converted to the other

[glad gulch]

I’m okay with soft clipping in my builds.

[glad gulch]

My bad, I had read that without any context and thought the 1.0 clean plan was the developer’s plan 💀

[inland rapids]

would something like this work? i wanna transport coal and sulfur from far away but they are in different spots

kinda bad drawings but gets the point 🙃

[vapid gorge]

I mean sure? it might not be the simplest option but I don't see why it wouldn't work as long as it was built right

[vapid gorge]

for turbo fuel?

[inland rapids]

yeah and a few other things from the sulfur mam line

[vapid gorge]

coooool, yeah should work fine 🙂 you know how to set up train buffers right?

[inland rapids]

no idea 🙃

[vapid gorge]

Ah ok. So no experience with managing train throughput?

[inland rapids]

only things i have experience is basic transport

[vapid gorge]

ok so trains are a little dif

do you know that when trains are loading/unloading the platforms don't allow belts to move items on/off?

[inland rapids]

yes i noticed that

[vapid gorge]

ok so even though platforms have 2 in/outputs what do you think that does to throughput having that pause?

[inland rapids]

limit items/m ?

[vapid gorge]

as in it reduces throughput you mean?

[inland rapids]

sure

[vapid gorge]

bingo, if you haven't messed with logistic games before you've got some natural brain mechanics for it. You'd be surprised how many people don't click to that

So with throughput then you can't move 2 full belts per platform. There's equations on the wiki to help you calc exactly how much you can move on a platform based on some info - but in general if you don't want to mess with it you can safely move 1 belt per platform

[inland rapids]

i see, hope its not to complicated got like 2 sulfur nodes and 2 coal nodes, i might have to move some oil aswell but we will see

trains alot more complicated then i expected

[vapid gorge]

nah it's fairly simple.
It's like pipes, once you know the basics if you don't try anything fancy it's easy

so knowing you can generally move 1 belt per platform and I mentioned buffers, whad do you think a buffer system for a platform might look like?

[inland rapids]

if im thinking the right buffer just a storage container

[vapid gorge]

That's certainly part of it.

but if a platform pauses transfer for 27 seconds what does a buffer have to be able to do once it's unlocked?

[inland rapids]

keep loading ?

[vapid gorge]

kiiiinda? it has to be able to catch up 🙂

[inland rapids]

yeah kinda what i meant

[vapid gorge]

kidna like this

[inland rapids]

so i should add buffers to each station so i can keep up production right?

[vapid gorge]

at each platform so that throughput can catch up after platforms lock out

both for loading and unloading

[inland rapids]

yes i see

[vapid gorge]

While it wouldn't be impossible to do it w/o buffers you'd have to have significantly less than max belt speed

You'd essentially be relying on the internal buffers of the production machines

[inland rapids]

i have a train transporting coal across the desert but i havent noticed any gaps in production, so didnt think i would need buffers but glad i learned

[vapid gorge]

Well if you were using less than you were trying to transport it might not show up? depends on a lot of things

The main thing to be wary of is having multiple trains dropping off items at a station

a single drop off station will reduce it's max throughput for each train stopping because it causes multiple lock outs. Plus unless each car is dropping off much less than a full belt you'll be clogging up your system fairly quick

[inland rapids]

is it possible to have multiple stations if u have multiple trains transporting the same product? or to inefficient

[vapid gorge]

depends what you mean specifically.

Do you mean if you have Point A to Point B

and Point A has more than 1 station?

[inland rapids]

yea

with multiple trains

[vapid gorge]

well then you have 2 point As right?

so It'd be more like Point 1 and Point 2 going somewhere

if 1 and 2 are going to Point B though you have to make sure point B has enough throughput to handle what is being delivered with multiple lock outs

but I guess it really don't make sense to have 2 stations at the same spot if 1 station/platforms can handle the throughput. It'd only really make sense if the 2 stations had 2 different destinations

[eager smelt]

Can someone help me with a small automation build? I need some help with the math/splitting belts

[mystic moon]

Just use overflow

!wikisearch manifold

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[eager smelt]

Thank you.

[eager smelt]

@mystic moon how does the manifold work if I have one machine that is underclocked? And would load balancing work better here? (yes I have the space and know how to set it up for the most part)

[mystic moon]

1. the same
2. no, they'll work exactly the same once the manifold is spun up as long as you have sufficient input to the system and aren't exceeding any belt throughput limits

[eager smelt]

so once the manifold ahs leveled out it won't fall back behind?

[median heath]

Prefeed it so you don't have to wait for it to "level out".

[mystic moon]

Correct, as long as you're supply is sufficient

[mystic moon]

Yes, this is preferable
Your other option is to just turn on the machines preceeding it in the production line as soon as the manifold is on and let it fill that way, your choice really 🤷

[eager smelt]

got it

thanks for the help!

[eager smelt]

Does anyone have a non 2d picture of the injection manifold? I can't wrap my head around the double splitter

[median heath]

Ignore the fact it is sushi.
Configuration is the same in terms of row of splitters with belt running above before dropping down to merger followed by rest of the splitters.

[eager smelt]

okay

I think I get it

nah, I'm lost

I need to get items from where I'm standing into the line you see

[median heath]

You're going to need to ask someone else.

Personally I am just refusing to help until you start using Foundations. 😄

[eager smelt]

lol, fair enough

I'm barely at steel so I figure until I get trains I'll red-neck it lol

[median heath]

Trains are not an upgrade from Trucks.

[eager smelt]

intersting

dont quite have those yet either lol

[vapid gorge]

why do an injection manifold then if you're having issues? injection manifolds are just 2 or more manifold linked up

besides you probably don't have smart splitters unlocked yet anyway

[eager smelt]

I think I figured it out. I need to split the rods I'm making in half (some go the assembler some go the screws) but If I just split them and add them in where the manifold starts I think it will work

Kinda just thinking out loud lol

[vapid gorge]

you don't even need to do that, you can have the assemblers and screws on the same manifold if you have the throughput

it'll split itself

[eager smelt]

but the screws need to make it into the assembler

[vapid gorge]

that's fine? you then make a manifold of THEIR output along the assemblers

or if it's convenient direct feed the screws into the assemblers. Not sure what the numbers you're playing with are like

[vapid gorge]

something like this?

or like this if the numbers are convenient or you change teh clocking

if you haven't unlocked clocking do it now

there should be another line/belt from the small black square going up but I'm sure you get it

let me know if you need me to break down the diagrams btw

[eager smelt]

This is what I have envisioned now, it's three lines and half of the first line is going to the assemblers and the other half is being made into screws

[eager smelt]

yes please, sorry lol

[vapid gorge]

ok in both images the lower black lines are belts of rods
the smaller squares are constructors making screws, the bigger squares are assemblers

in the top one the constructors and assemblers are fed off teh same rod manifold , and the screws from the constructors go on another manifold to feed the assemblers

the lower one is a a manifold of rods feeding the smaller constructor and assember, and the screws are directly feeding teh assembler

I can't recall the numbers pm of the recipes so you might need to change the speed of the machines through 'clocking'

clocking is the single most powerful tool to manage your logistics in the game. I highly recommend you unlock it asap. Cram glowing slugs into your MAM

[eager smelt]

I have already lol

[vapid gorge]

good. the nthe lower diagram I shared should work easy peasy for you

[vapid gorge]

I'm not entirely sure what's going on on here though

[eager smelt]

the lower row of boxes are 8 constructors making rods
the second row are 7 constructors making screws (being fed by the three left most constructors on the bottom)
and the third row are three assemblers making rotors

the lines are belts

[vapid gorge]

that would also work

[eager smelt]

would it be better to overclock and use less machines?

[vapid gorge]

it depends on the numbers you're working with. If your total rods pm don't go over your belt speed you don't actually need to make it into 2 manifolds though

[vapid gorge]

overclocking largely is there to save you space. Bout it. Just whatever is convenient for you. You can underclock too w/o slugs to make numbers fit more neatly

[eager smelt]

I have on one of the machines in both rows

but I'm working with 120 iron pm, which is just over what I need for 10 rotors pm

[vapid gorge]

totally up to you.

For example I'm looking at the rotor and screw recipes you're using on the wiki now

you could feed 2 screw machines into 1 rotor machine and underclock the rotors to only need 80 screws pm

you can accomplish this in literally a million ways. The only things you need to keep in mind is that

1. what youre sending is at least enough for what is being consumed
2. the belts have enough throughput.

but those are core requirements for anything to work really

[eager smelt]

okay

[vapid gorge]

Biggest advice? don't stress about it. Try different ways, see what works for you

[eager smelt]

alrighty

[vapid gorge]

if you build something and think you could have done 10 things betteR? that's normal. Just learn for next time

[eager smelt]

thanks! I'm gonna get back to it, and probably head to bed soon

[vapid gorge]

no prob! gn 🙂

[eager smelt]

gn!

[vapid gorge]

hey @median heath , you've thought about trains and used them far more than I - is there a reason the train logic couldn't allow trains to move onto sections of signaled track shorter than the actual train? let it occupy more than 1 chunk? Would something break or be really weird if that was an option?

[median heath]

It does allow it though?

That's why I constantly tell people to NOT have blocks shorter than your longest train. Because the ass end WILL stick out and you will get a collision.

[vapid gorge]

I was under the impression it just wouldn't allow trains into a block if it was shorter at all?

[median heath]

You were under the wrong impression 🤷‍♂️

[vapid gorge]

hmm then it would make sense if a train was longer than the section it was on it should jsut mark both sections as occupied

[median heath]

Or

And hear me out

People could just make sure their blocks are not shorter than their longest train 😉

[vapid gorge]

would it be a problem though? wouldn't it just make design more flexible/

[median heath]

Wouldn't not having train collision at all make design more flexible?

[vapid gorge]

Yes - but these are two different things.

and a poor argument '

[median heath]

I literally just woke up.

And my stance that trains, as they currently stand, are perfect and need only bug fixing remains.

[vapid gorge]

fair enough, was just curious if it'd cause problems doing so

[wind spade]

how do you get a collision? shouldn't both blocks be counted as occupied?

[median heath]

It is too early in the morning for me to politely answer that again when you're replying to the message that contains the answer already...

[wind spade]

my question isn't about if, but about why

[median heath]

Because... they aren't counted...

Which is the whole point of what Cobalt is asking for...

[wind spade]

is that a bug? or intended? 🤔

[primal flicker]

Probably too much work to code vs other CSS priorities. I guess the game checks the location of the driving engine only, and what you're asking for would have to check the location of all the freight cars and a tail engine as well (as applicable).

[deft lichen]

I know of 2 bugs that can cause collisions, which are non-level path blocks wrongly subdividing, and block signals turning green on multiple entrances simultaneously

avoidable by having level track intersections and not merging tracks in true blocks, respectively

[oblique hollow]

@vapid gorge regarding Mk 2 stuff: ran some expanded tests on mk 2 pipes a while back. Bottom Feeding can SORTA work ok but it seems like extra head lift is needed.
Especially if not looped

[stoic gorge]

I asked the same thing yesterday but im gonna ask again just to see different opinions

do I make hmf or computers first? (yesterday people said it doesnt matter)
and 10/min of each is a good quantity?

[primal flicker]

I chose HMF (and all upstream steel parts).
Then computers (as well as supercomputers and all upstream parts).

[primal flicker]

5/min is good if you spend any time exploring/building. More if you have big projects planned.

[stoic gorge]

idk i was thinking of 10 because it seems to have a significant amount of crafting using it

[stoic gorge]

thanks, i was thinking of doing hmf first too

[primal flicker]

9 gets you easier clock % numbers

And you probably need more HMF than computers.

[primal flicker]

I'm making 13.5/min HMF and 4.5/min computer.

[stoic gorge]

hmm

maybe i ll go with these numbers too

wich tier are you in?

[primal flicker]

Just finished my computer/super computer factory. Phase 3 parts is next.

I keep stalling somewhere along the way to phase 4/nuclear power and restarting 😅

[stoic gorge]

man

i stopped playing for a long time

now i have no idea where I stopped but i dont feel like starting again

at least it was a sign to put write down everything in my factories

[primal flicker]

@cerulean stratus here's one potential solution. Simpler than usual ratios. Scalable. More plutonium.

[cerulean stratus]

How did you make it?
Plutonium fuel rod didn't work when I tried it

[oblique hollow]

you need to manually add uranium waste input

on the input tab

[primal flicker]

See the waste there? Manual input tab. That's what I was trying to say, it's 50× the uranium rods production.

[cerulean stratus]

must it always be exactly 50x?

[oblique hollow]

its just a general guide

50 waste = 1 rod

[cerulean stratus]

I'm trying to do it, I inserted the plutonium rod to production and added the waste to input, and it's still not calculating anything

[oblique hollow]

care to share the link?

[cerulean stratus]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=d1clS5NdTgz9bBjFzwAr

[oblique hollow]

you need to maximize

50/min waste makes 0.25/min rods

so if you want to make 1/min, of course the calculator says "Not possible"

50 waste = 1 rod.
but the calculate only accepts items/minute

[primal flicker]

All recipes available?

[oblique hollow]

and the actual production speed for rods is very slow

[cerulean stratus]

yeah that did it, thanks

I don't even have a nuclear setup going on, I just wanted to see what the graph looks like

[primal flicker]

There's options. Most popular is max uranium, consume waste as plutonium rods and sink.

Plutonium heavy mix that I shared is for more power (if you burn them), or more sink points.

[tulip egret]

For trucks how do i equate how much fuel p/m i need for a trip?

[hard meadow]

The station tells you

[tulip egret]

wait no shot

omfg im blind

[muted crypt]

tbf it didn't always do that

[median heath]

True. But back then you just put 100 in the truck, drove the route, and then saw how much it used.

[vapid gorge]

oooh so you tested my shape?

[oblique hollow]

what shape specifically?

[vapid gorge]

oh, just the example image of the pipe set up I shared

[frosty owl]

Shocked bottom-feeder face

[vapid gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-gif-20172109

[turbid cedar]

Guys I have great news

Most of the math in this channel will be voided with the 1.0 release

[wind spade]

why so?

[frosty owl]

Because SFTools' updates won't be ready for 1.0

[wind spade]

well that's most likely true

[deft lichen]

SFTools relies on the data source, we on the wiki have to write stuff on top of that

[feral burrow]

What’s 2+2

[deft lichen]

22

[wind spade]

#off-topic-general

[feral burrow]

No 🐟

[feral burrow]

This is the math section

[deft lichen]

read the channel description before trying humor

[wind spade]

no, this is the "math in Satisfactory" section

[feral burrow]

Ye

[wind spade]

so your question goes to offtopic

[feral burrow]

I need 2 rods and 2 iron plates

[wind spade]

good for you

[feral burrow]

What’s 2+2

[acoustic nymph]

5

[wind spade]

that's not how it works, either you're trying to make a joke, then go to #off-topic-general , or you're trolling in which case please stop

[feral burrow]

Bro stop taking it so serious it’s just a joke damn you one boring person

[wind spade]

this is the serious channel

[feral burrow]

Lmfao so serious

[wind spade]

and the "joke" is what is boring, given we see one at least every week

[median heath]

Underscore and Numbers in the username, what do you expect?

[feral burrow]

Dude it’s not that serious holy

[feral burrow]

💀

[wind spade]

it is. I read pretty much everything in this channel and the amount of people that come here with "1+1 haha funny, comedy achieved" is alarming

[frosty owl]

[feral burrow]

Okay bud I’m sorry for trying to have fun you must be one boring person I feel bad

[wind spade]

have fun in proper channels 🤷‍♂️

[median heath]

@wind spade odd someone mentioned this would all be obsolelte.

Given logistics math isn't changing at all.
And the conclusion that "best is subjective" isn't changing at all.

Which are the 2 primary things this channel has solved.

[feral burrow]

Bro sounds like a discord mod

🤓

[wind spade]

unless they make actually "almost objectively" better recipe 😛

[median heath]

They have been very good about not, so I wouldn't expect that to change.

Oh forgot to mute, one sec.

[frosty owl]

Just... "Read the room" before making a joke 😅
That's how one makes sure a joke will land on its face or feet (I hope the metaphor is understandable)

[median heath]

Much better.

[median heath]

Put foot in mouth -> Then you can land on face and foot at the same time 😉

[feral burrow]

💀

[deft lichen]

congratulations for making it on the List

[wind spade]

at some point Sev's discord will change into just him speaking there and it will be glorious

[median heath]

@frosty owl figure of speech (foot in mouth) that just happens to dismantle your metaphor perfectly.

[median heath]

Hey, my list is smaller than other people's apparently.
Only at 117.

[frosty owl]

That's one I never understood. I only encountered it once so far

[wind spade]

that's like 117 more than I have

[deft lichen]

a major change to how alt recipes are unlocked isn't out of the question, from my understanding

[median heath]

How they are unlocked being changed doesn't affect "best is subjective."

[wind spade]

plot twist, you start with alts and have to unlock base recipes

[deft lichen]

that'd be funny because of the current bias that alt recipes are in general superior to defaults

[frosty owl]

I heard nothing on that. Care to elaborate?

[median heath]

People are bad at reading 🤷‍♂️

[deft lichen]

Ben, I think, dropped around and expressed how he doesn't like how it works currently

that was months? ago

[median heath]

I would welcome the randomness being removed.

[deft lichen]

yeah, as much as factory planning is calculated, alt recipes are an outlier

and it's especially annoying on repeated playthroughs, I mean it motivates exploration, so removing it entirely with AGS doesn't feel fulfilling

[median heath]

Tree in the MAM with some alts locked behind other alts, so you can see you path has always been my recommendation.

That way exploration is encouraged because you know "I need X number of drives to get Y recipes" compared to the current "Well, I can get drives and hope that maybe I possibly roll the ones I want."

[deft lichen]

oh yeah, that wouldn't be too cheaty if unlocking some of the later game alts would mean chewing through the early game

the last time bolted recipes see themselves in the codex

[median heath]

You shut your wiki mouth.

Bolted is life.

[feral burrow]

Y’all acting like someone just died and someone made a joke it’s a game math section it’s not that serious lmfao

[frosty owl]

Tbf, the #rules are "clear" about bad puns

[feral burrow]

What pun

I said 2+2

[wind spade]

you'd act similarly if you had to read those messages almost daily for several years

[hard meadow]

Ironically, ignoring the joke would derail the channel significantly less than spending 30 minutes arguing about it

[wind spade]

we must teach people to use proper channels

[feral burrow]

I wouldn’t care why make my life hard by taking everything seriously when I can have fun with it and if your on here daily that’s your problem need to fix that and who care just ignore them instead of making crap to deal with this whole thing could’ve been avoided if you just ignore

[feral burrow]

Bor you sound like a discord mod you should just get off the app if you take it this freaking serious

[wind spade]

you should get off the app if you don't take server/channel rules seriously 🤷‍♂️

[feral burrow]

Lmfao

[feral burrow]

I can’t with this I’m dying

[median heath]

Snutt confirming on stream that mk2 pipe isn't bugged. That 600 is fully possible, and that any time you're getting less it's a configuration issue because of actual fluid simulation and fluid hammer is the best TED Talk I've heard in a long time.

[frosty owl]

Got a link?
I heard that low enough FPS can bring weird fluid dynamics (hard to dismiss with just "badly built)