math-and-meta

[fierce cypress]

it is a smart splitter with prio set to the mk1

[frosty owl]

Then should be fine~
Though, I still suggest what I said if the input isn't stable

[fierce cypress]

the input should\™️ be stable

that storage container behind it is a buffer and should be at full capacity 24/7

and this is what i have set up currently for the trains, @frosty owl, this should eventually back up and overflow to storage correct?

(ignore the horrible writing )

[frosty owl]

Yes. But having the train unload at "factory" first and storage second should yeld the same exact result with less freights

[fierce cypress]

but train to factory also has other items on it, and train to storage is already up and running (also with other items on it)

[frosty owl]

Trains can only unload specific items if you wish... I can't suggest more not having seen the setup 🤔

[fierce cypress]

what sort of stuff do you need to see?

i cant hop on right now but ill get screenshots when i can, or if im able to describe parts to you

[vast jungle]

having more than one item type in a single train car can be VERY painful...

I have done it in my current playthrough, and oh my god it produced headaches even in controlled environments

[fierce cypress]

they're in separate carts, on the same train

[vast jungle]

okay, that sounds sane

[frosty owl]

I can't quite pinpoint anything at the moment 😅 (might be because a good portion of my brain is still in dreamland), but just picture/record whatever give you doubts or is affected directly by this system so we can judge how changing the system affects things (making them more convenient or not)

[vast jungle]

( I wonder if I should add to my account name here a "Sushi train user" 😉 )

[frosty owl]

Would help people recognize you as someone who can help and has experience in that regard. I believe there's frw enough such people for it to be a "worthy" title

[fierce cypress]

the doubts i have are about how well backups/overflow systems work with a train system in between the start and end (as apposed to belts only), as i have never tried/tested it before

[vast jungle]

grin

@fierce cypress you can easily an belt that is allowed to block through a trainline

first you make the receiving train station filling up, which will make the incoming train to fill up because it cannot unload everything... which will then make the transmitter station to fill up (because it cannot get rid of everything into the train)... then the belt into the receiver station blocks

[fierce cypress]

brain trying to comprehend that sentence and failing

[opaque oak]

Overflow before the sending station

[fierce cypress]

how?

[vast jungle]

as long as there is only one item on the train car, they can be belt extenders, splitters AND mergers...

[opaque oak]

Smart splitter before the sending station buffering.

[vast jungle]

@opaque oak or you accept that the output blocks... sometimes by design

[opaque oak]

Which is what Henning was explaining.

[opaque oak]

Which is what I use.

[fierce cypress]

well yes, thats what i have - except for the overflow to kick in, the entire rest of the system (including the factory and two train stations) would have to be saturated, correct?

[frosty owl]

Testing makes perfect~
It might be obvious, but I always suggest to test systems, possibly even building an accurate small-scale rapresentation

[opaque oak]

Yes

[vast jungle]

my "mass production" train lines work this way... they have an overflow/sink combination right at the production... and the delivery belts/train transports are designed to block

[fierce cypress]

@vast jungle what do you mean by blocking?

[vast jungle]

belt stops delivering because it gets more items that the receiving factory can handle
and no sink at the end

[fierce cypress]

so it backs up

yes thats what im hoping it will do

• so it will work then?

[vast jungle]

imagine a factory producing hundreds or even thousands of rubber every minute... instead of delivering it and then have a sink at the end, you build an overflow splitter at the factory and then accept that the rest of the delivery system blocks/backs up... which means that your delivery train just became a "Manifold in disguise"

[opaque oak]

Yes, the train will end up just doing useless laps with full cargo, unless you set the unload to be "until empty" with "and" type timer.

Set the receiving station to full unload with and timer and the train will sit at the receiving station until it is empty and then head to pick more stuff from sending station.

[fierce cypress]

i can't have it wait until empty because it is also transporting other items, but eventually the items will back up to the beginning of the system and overflow to the other route

[vast jungle]

I often have multiple receiver stations for the same factory, especially with things like Plastic, Rubber and Raw Quartz

[opaque oak]

Check. But anyways, if the receiving station doesn't output as fast as the sending station fills up, then the system will fill up with time and the belt to the sending station will start overflowing.

[fierce cypress]

cool, so in theory it should work

i will just have to wait years to test the in practice part

13.something items/min will take a long time to saturate however many stacks

[vast jungle]

just try it... you might need a few attempts to get it completely right as you want it, but thats well paid time for mastering trains

[frosty owl]

Mumble mumble, prefeed kinda like with those damn manifolds, mumble

[fierce cypress]

i probably don't have enough

one full ISC

vs 5(?) machine buffers, two train station buffers, one carriage buffer and however many belt buffers

actually no, 4 machine buffers

shush google stop exposing me

but anyway thats like 130+ stacks, of which an ISC stores 48

ill probably just let it take its time, i shouldn't go through an ISC of HMFs before the overflow eventually kicks in

although i am going to be making a fuel plant next...

[opaque oak]

And 135 to 60 and 75 balancer designed... To implement it...

Two splitters and three mergers.

Combined Silica manufacturing for Uranium Fuel Rod and Plutonium Fuel Rod sushis.

[barren elm]

Why would you not just use 1 splitter with 1 output being a MK1 belt?

[opaque oak]

Actual production is 135.24 and extra goes to sink. Now both sides get some of the extra.

I don't want any of the reactors or reprocessing machines to starve at any point, so there is extra if exact wasn't possible.

And the Mk1 belt solution might cause just under 60 at times.

As in once per day level or less.

That .24 was highest extra, because I knew it was going on to a sushi belt.

Most are in the 0.001/min range.

[hazy dune]

what do people use to help plan their factorys mathmatically]

[oblique hollow]

a website

[hazy dune]

not looking for a calculator, just what people use to plan with

[oblique hollow]

a normal calculator and anything to write notes usually suffices

[hazy dune]

alr

[oblique hollow]

theres no good visual planning tools for factories

[hazy dune]

i can work with flowcharts

[oblique hollow]

for numbers, spreadsheets are another method

[opaque oak]

Calculator(s), Excel, Visio, planning sites.

[wind spade]

wait, you want to mathematically plan factory but not want to use a calculator?

[hazy dune]

im using a calculator yes, but what I'm not looking for is a production calculator that does it all for me

[oblique hollow]

fair

excel is usually good enough

[wind spade]

production calculators don't do everything for you tho. They just give you the numbers and you still need to plan how the factory will look and how you place and connect stuff

[oblique hollow]

if they dont want to calculate production chains automatically, thats fine

[wind spade]

yeah just saying that there's tons of stuff production calculators don't do 🤷‍♂️

[vast jungle]

I think I underestimated how much resources 5 assembly director systems pet minute need 😭

More than 500 plastic/minute?

[oblique hollow]

6.666 assemblers, 5 supercompts/min....

[vast jungle]

More than 100 constructors for iron wire?

[oblique hollow]

140 plastic minimum*

JUST for supercomps

[mystic moon]

Why iron wire?

[oblique hollow]

ew iron wire

[mystic moon]

I'd reccomend fused if you have caterium avaliable and you want large quantities. You can get 1000/min without too much difficulty using it

[oblique hollow]

base CB + base computer + base supercomp is like 720 plastic / min

[vast jungle]

It's my first base in the dunes desert, lots of iron there... And I forgot too deactivate the recipe in the calculator

I plan to go with caterium computer

Have coal, iron, caterium and copper near the factory place

[oblique hollow]

still not much better

[vast jungle]

Yeah

Need a new factory for plastic

[bronze silo]

awww 😛

[hazy dune]

anyone got a good 2/5 3/5 splitter/merger design?

[wind spade]

split to 6, merge back one. Or manifold

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |
  X  X  X  X  X

or just single splitter

       1
       |
2/5 <--S--> 3/5

[hazy dune]

then merge 2 lines and 3 lines together respectively to get 2/5 and 3/5

[hazy dune]

im only teir 1/2, havent got smart/programmable splitters yet

[wind spade]

that's normal splitter

[hazy dune]

isnt normal splitter 1/2 both sides?

[wind spade]

well if one machine needs 2/5 and one 3/5, they'll balance themselves

[hazy dune]

fair point

[wind spade]

because the one that needs 2/5 will get slightly more and fill up, causing the belt to back up eventually and the splitter will send excess to the 3/5 side

[celest mesa]

So I've mostly been a bit of a lurker but I can't get my factory im working on running how it should and i figured asking here might help.

I'm trying to process 8760 iron through 250~ refineries and the water is refusing to flow properly, I've got pumps so it should be making it high enough and I have 42 water extractors so I have enough water too. Any help or possible reasons its refusing to fully fuction would be appreciated

[oblique hollow]

did you split the water up into multiple pipe networks?

cutting it up helps, as you can make one part run and then focus on the next

rather than having one BIG interconnected pipe network

[celest mesa]

ive got it set up in a tower of 5-600 pipes x2 towers, im trying to add extra pumps right now to see if that fixes it

[oblique hollow]

how many refineries are connected to each pipe?

[celest mesa]

30

[oblique hollow]

thats gonna be an issue.
mk 2 pipes have... issues when you use them at 600 and have a lot of machines connected to them

you can try a workaround solution: at the first machine, start building another pipe from the junction and connect it as far back as possible

that will form a pipe loop

[celest mesa]

im confused by what you mean with the "workaround solution" and a "pipe loop"

are you saying to just take a length of pipe and attach it from the start to the end of the segment?

[oblique hollow]

yes

its a workaround solution because you cannot make mk 2 pipes work normally

its a bug in the system

if the loop doesnt help you will have to redo all the pipes so you never have 600 in a pipe, only 500 or similar

[celest mesa]

oh god, please not that, this already took like 2 days just to pipe...

[oblique hollow]

sorry

you can only hope that the loop works

else you are screwed

[celest mesa]

nah its not your fault, im just frustrated because belting and piping have taken like 5 days of non-stop work

[oblique hollow]

did you not use any blueprints?

because 250 refineries is something you DEFINITELY should use blueprints for

[celest mesa]

i used blueprints to place the refineries, i didn't know how i was going to pipe or belt anything at the time so...

[oblique hollow]

it would have been easier to just assume a direction and build them with it

because hooking up the connections takes the most amount of time

which is what bluerpints are good at reducing: tedious, repetetive, time consuming work

[celest mesa]

yeah, but I'm taking the entire desert to make this factory and the iron refineries are right around the middle so...

[oblique hollow]

running a belt to the other side would have been easier than doing all the splitters and junctions

by a long shot

[celest mesa]

and there's not a single mk1 pipe in that system messing it up (used Satisfactory Calc to check my world file)

[oblique hollow]

its just the way mk 2 pipes (don't) work

they just hate big pipe networks

and are generally unstable

its been a known issue for 2-3 years now

[frosty owl]

Because Simon ate the precision

[wanton basin]

I have been trying to transport items between my factories, does anyone have any tips?

[celest mesa]

well crap, I'm not looking forward to adjusting it all. I'll put a picture of it in the Screenshots channel.

[gusty nexus]

depends on the distance and the nature of the geography

also, depends on if you have nearby access to oil/coal, since that can influence whether or not you decide to use trucks

[oblique hollow]

yikes. yea sorry, not gonna be pretty

[gusty nexus]

to transport the most goods over the longest distances, trains are best

drones have low throughput but can totally ignore the terrain, which makes them ideal for transporting low volumes of very expensive stuff like uranium fuel rods, radio control units, etc

[wanton basin]

I have unlocked everything up to tier 7 and I currently have a power plant producing around 14000 MW

The total distance is around 2km

[gusty nexus]

what are you looking to move

if it's raw materials or first-order products like ingots/sheets, trains for sure

[wanton basin]

Ok it is around 1000 bauxite per minute

[gusty nexus]

you probably should use a train with 2-3 cargo cars

[wanton basin]

Ok, thanks for the help, and are their any tricks to make your tracks and stations look good?

[frosty owl]

Awesome cosmetics

[celest mesa]

yeah I'm just taking the easier solution and adding an extra 8 water extractors to finish off the top 2 pipes and im gonna use those to fill in the gaps

[frosty owl]

Relevant content to try reducing salt levels:
#satisfactory-memes message

[fierce cypress]

Disclaimer - programmable splitters don't do that either - there are no 'split in ratios' or 'split in items/min' splitters.

[mild tartan]

I need to split a conveyor of 90 into 42 and 48

[fierce cypress]

is it critical that you load balance, or can you just overflow?

[mild tartan]

critical, they're going to seperate factories

[wind spade]

then you can overflow

if one factory needs 42 and one needs 48

just have single splitter and it'll self-balance over time

[mild tartan]

Ah ok

Or I could split into 15 and have 7 and 8

[wind spade]

sounds like a nightmare, 2 mergers and 10 splitters and a lot of beltwork... versus single splitter

[fierce cypress]

if you're going to split do mk1 splitting

actually you don't need to

what you'd do is split the 90 into 2/3 and 1/3, take the 60 (2/3), and split it into 4/5 and 1/5, the 4/5 is 48/min and the 30 (previous 1/3) + the 12 (1/5), makes 42.

@mild tartan

[mild tartan]

Yeah I ended up doing this

[fierce cypress]

not a very clear ss, but ill take your word for it

[mild tartan]

split into 5

1/5 splits into 3

2/3 of 1/5 + 2/5 = 48

1/3 of 1/5 + 2/5 = 42

[fierce cypress]

that math does not seem correct

first of all 2/5 + 2/5 =/= 5/5

[wind spade]

by the time you figure this out, you'd already have it balanced with single splitter and you would have 15 more minutes of building 😛

[fierce cypress]

user error

[mild tartan]

And I'd have to wait a long time for the splitters to balance

[fierce cypress]

90/5 = 18
18/3 = 6

6+6+18+18 = 48
6+18+18 = 42

i see

same difference in the end, just switched the order

[wind spade]

well I said "you'd already have it balanced". You could also hand-fill the smaller side to have it instantly. And you don't have to "wait" anyway, you'd just do other stuff in the meantime

[fierce cypress]

im facing the same problem, except hand filling wont work

[wintry kraken]

wait is my math right 13 oil pipes with 600l/min get me 579 oil gens with turbo fuel?

[fierce cypress]

it gets you like 2600 gens

[wintry kraken]

fully overclocked

[fierce cypress]

is still like 1040 gens

[wintry kraken]

wait how?

[fierce cypress]

2600/2.5 = 1040

[wintry kraken]

yeh but how do u get 2600

[fierce cypress]

by working out the max amount of turbofuel you can create from 7800 oil/min

[wintry kraken]

i am not using alternatives

[fierce cypress]

turbofuel is an alt

so is compacted coal

[wintry kraken]

yeh but not for fuel

[fierce cypress]

what turbofuel recipe are you using?

tell me all the alts you are using

[wintry kraken]

and for fuel the normal one

[fierce cypress]

then you get about 385.185 gens with max overclock

[wintry kraken]

ty man can u send me a link to the website u are using

[fierce cypress]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production
to get to the beta branch (which is what im using in those screenshots), you need to get access via the discord server - available under the community tab in the top right.

[wintry kraken]

ty man

[wind spade]

(or use U6 branch)

beta is on U5 so some stuff may be outdated

[fierce cypress]

does U6 have beta features?

[wind spade]

no, but if you want to calculate things from U6, then you need U6 tool

[fierce cypress]

did any recipes change from u6 to 7 though?

oh right 5 to 6 mb

[wintry kraken]

i just realised i am around 370 coal and sulfur short

[oblique notch]

no from 6 to 7.... yes... from 5-6 (beacons i guess. kinda)

[wintry kraken]

the coal isnt the problem but the sulfur is

[oblique notch]

and qualification - nukes take less water but thats not a recipe that greenys tools handles

[fierce cypress]

yup, so it should mostly be fine

[glass ermine]

soooo...... i, uuhhhhh..... when a little overboard XD

and this is just from iron to steel production. i dont have access to manufacturers yet

i wasnt sure if i was allowed to post the link for people to take a look at it, but it is a thing i can do with this website

also i did this manually bc i dont like the way the official calculator does it

[opaque oak]

There isn't any official calculators

Just 2+ competing unofficial ones.

[sand epoch]

Well really just 1.. the other is... yea, just 1 🙂

[opaque oak]

There is at least third out there. Which is even worse.

Some factorio site has also Satisfactory support.

[fierce cypress]

theres plenty - but the only up to date and functional in all aspects one is greeny's

[glass ermine]

oh i was talking abt the one attatched to the wiki

[crimson ferry]

Made some progress today

To do list:

[x] Unlock over/underclocking
[ ] Find a mushroom so I can make inhalers
[x] Set up steel factory (beams, pipes, encased beams)
[x] Set up steel flowdown site (stator, motor, heavy mod frame, automated wiring, versatile framework) 
  [x] Steel beams
  [x] Steel pipes
  [x] Encased steel
  [x] Frames
  [ ] Stator
  [ ] Motor
  [ ] Versatile
  [ ] Auto wiring
  [ ] HMF
[ ] Find and begin harvesting crude oil
[ ] Set up production for:
  [ ] Rubber
  [ ] Fuel
  [ ] Polymer resin
  [ ] Plastic
  [ ] Heavy oil residue
  [ ] Fabric
  [ ] Petro coke
  [ ] Circuit boards
[ ] Re-do coal power plant to take advantage of Mk2 belts (can run 16 plants instead of 8)
[ ] Set up transportation infrastructure (trucking) to remote sites
  [x] Steel factory
  [ ] Coal
  [ ] TBD
[ ] T5 unlock industrial manufacturing (100 motors, 200 plastic, 200 rubber, 1000 cable)
[ ] T5 unlock fluid transport (25 HMFrame, 100 motors, 200 plastic, 3000 wire)
[ ] T5 unlock gas mask
[ ] Set up production for:
  [ ] Computer
  [ ] Modular engine
  [ ] Adaptive control unit
[ ] T6 unlock power infrastructure (50 HMFrame, 100 computers, 200 encased beams, 400 rubber

[hazy dune]

I’ve completely forgot what the difference between smart and programmable splitters is then

[opaque oak]

Smart allows single setting per output, programmable total of 64

[fierce cypress]

smart splitter:

allows options to filter outputs with an item, overflow, none, any or any undefined. a max of 1 filter per output.
programmable splitter:
allows the same filters but multiple per output

[hazy dune]

Cheers

[frosty owl]

The implications shall be left for you to find out...

[wind spade]

which one is attached to wiki? 🤔

[frosty owl]

Ratio splitting is a thing. In halves and thirds! :P

[vast jungle]

First step for 3 Assembly Director Systems per minute...
Template takes iron ingots and steel pipes in and produces Automatic Wirings... I need 18 of these templates in the factory

I think thats my first "factory specific" blueprint

[silk lintel]

@real basin cooked this up rq, if you're looking for a scalable, self-sufficient solution for water mgmt on the default alumina recipes

as long as you feed bauxite from right to left so the group using byproduct water gets priority it'll never back up since it generates less water than it uses

(each box is 2 solution and 1 scrap refinery)

[real basin]

how do you prioritize? just bring the belt in from the right?

[silk lintel]

yeah

[real basin]

I wonder if that's what I was doing wrong with that in the past

my experience with loopbacks is that they eventually underflow

[silk lintel]

it backed up?

[real basin]

it provided less than the full amount

[silk lintel]

it definitely takes time to saturate

[real basin]

re: my current problem I just plugged one blender right into the wet concrete and set an overflow line on the other problem blender and I'm back to everytthing thinking it works for the moment

[silk lintel]

like a manifold, except that instead of a single machine's input buffer the saturation is across multiple parts of an entire production line haha

fwiw i use the same idea for doing sulfur shenanigans feeding default recipe nukes- most getting fresh, then one getting all byproduct and then being prioritized- i doooon't think i've ever had problems with the nuke maths 👀 would be way more obvious

[wise sky]

i just used the satisfactory calculator is this efficient? im not really sure

[mystic moon]

If you're optimizing for efficiency I'd reccomend green's calc

SCIM works great as an interactive map/save editor but greenys calc is usually better

[wise sky]

alright thank you!

[silk lintel]

@grave tusk

[hazy dune]

I have 4 normal coal nodes, how many coal generators can I put to this?

[opaque oak]

Depends on your miner level and belt level, and if you are willing to do overclocking possibly.

For the miners.

[gusty nexus]

one coal generator eats 15 coal/minute

[tropic hawk]

depends on total extraction rate, which that tells us that best case scenario, you can get 2400 ppm out, which translates to 16,000% CSE Coal Generators

[hazy dune]

I’ve got 4 60/min nodes and mk1 miners

I won’t overclock anything

[opaque oak]

So normal nodes, Mk1 miner, Mk2 belt?

So 4 generators per node.

[tropic hawk]

so that is 240 i/min, which translates to a 1600% CSE Coal Gen setup

[hazy dune]

So

Is that 16 coal gens?

[opaque oak]

Yes.
With 6 water extractors minimum. And 4 Mk1 feeding pipes.

Theoretically only three pipes if you made more complex pipe manifold than recommended.

[tropic hawk]

at 100% CS yes

[tall condor]

Hi all, I could use some assistance with a math problem that I don't know how to solve (that I probably did not need to create for myself)

I have 11 foundries making steel ingots that I need 1040 ingots from

I have 18 constructors ready to make steel beams that need a split of those ingots.

I set the 11 foundries to make 94.545 ingots per minute, this is so close to the 1040 that I doubt the .0005 really matters.

I then split up the 11 constructors into 3 belts, 2 of them mare hauling 378.18 ingots and the other is hauling 283.635 ingots.

Now that I have the ingots at the steel plant I can not for the life of me figure out how to split this up to produce 200 steel beams. I am not great at math but I have been playing quite a lot of hours and have been able to figure out the math with some time and thought into it. Not this time..... Any help is appreciated.

[stone oar]

hello is this supposed to work ? i have a miner generating 135 iron ore theese 5 smelters are set up to use exacly that tho i'm using smart splitter to send the overflow to the next smelter in theory if i flood the system once should it work ?

[wind spade]

approach it the other way

• first build the foundries (you've done that already)
• then merge it into some amount of belts (you've done that already)
• then figure out how many machines can each belt feed and build that many machines for each belt
• "splitting" is then easy (manifold, or if you really want, some sort of balancer)

[wind spade]

so you have 135 production and 5 miners eat 135 as well? then there will be no overflow 🤔

[wind spade]

you can also just manifold it:

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |

[stone oar]

i have the 5 miner working at 50%

[wind spade]

that doesn't matter, manifold will always work

as long as your production is equal or greater than how much you need, you'll get 100% efficiency (after it fills up)

[stone oar]

but by doing this the first one will hog most of the production and the last one will be very delayed no ?

but it doesn't matter once it's filled up

i see

[wind spade]

exactly

[stone oar]

^so i have been playing this game for 200h completely wrong

[wind spade]

it usually takes a few minutes for it to fill up, but you can just fill the machines manually if you want it to start working immediately. Or you can leave it working and build next part of the factory

[stone oar]

so it should fill up even if the input is the same as the system output ?

[wind spade]

well, there's no "wrong" really. You can balance everything if you want to. There's just this "manifold" way which a lot of people use for simplicity

[wind spade]

yeah

[stone oar]

yeah wrong is harsh my way seems to work for now my 5th smelter is at 100% efficency but is "harder" to set up

[oblique notch]

Not to you specifically Galaith, but this is the reason people give for not using manifolds most of the time... and I am baffled by it.

I can't see the reasoning that it matters in 90% of situations... you just turn it on and go build something else.

Power is the one area I can barely see why, but even then you're 10x better off doing staggered starts cause liquid, so I doesn't matter I it's balanced splits or not

[stone oar]

and i agree with you , i never thought of it this way, i thought it would not work and i didn't like to see materials "stacking up" into my machines i was feeling like it was useless, but thinking of as a coushing for production to work, saving time and space to set up, i feel like i just levelled up in my game

[outer bloom]

what are those graphics? i'd like mine to look like that

[mystic moon]

WDYM by graphics? Like settings?

[outer bloom]

yes

[mystic moon]

It looks like just normal high to ultra settings to me

@outer bloom

[outer bloom]

well what engine? dx11 dx12 vulcan

[mystic moon]

Definitely not dx11, could be vulcan but looks like dx12 to me
probably high resolution mode in photo mode

@outer bloom

[wise sky]

i need some help with the logistics of this part

how do i arrange the mergers/splitters?

[oblique hollow]

you cant put it all on one belt

check how much the assemblers need

and group them

rotors need 100 screws each

at best its 5 screw constructors to 2 assemblers each

need mk 3 belts though

[wise sky]

alright thank you luckily i have mk 3 unluckily i have like 20 steel beams but i will see what i can do

[oblique hollow]

gotta grind that steel

[arctic willow]

try and group the screws to quantity as they come out of the machines; balancing them later can be a cow
my rotor setup has 1600 screws coming up on 640, 640 and 320 belts, and breaking them down to 400/400/400/400 is... yeah

[copper aurora]

there's a pretty simple way to do this, although takes a bit of space, I can post if you need it

[arctic willow]

i've got it sorted already but thanks 😃

(i forget the details but i know i started with subtracting two 120s off one of the 640 lines)

[spice depot]

How would I split 5 inputs with the same rate into 6 constructors evenly?

[gusty nexus]

you don't need to load balance in this game, just merge the 5 and manifold feed them into 6

the only fly in the ointment is if you have kini's problem where your total inputs are in excess of what your belts can carry

[spice depot]

ah yes that will work thx

My belts can do 160/min max and I only have to do 150 so it's going to work

oh nvm it's 120 max

hmmm

[copper aurora]

neat. I did it by splitting each incoming line into four (with splitters stacked vertically in 3 layers) and then merging each 'column'

[gusty nexus]

feed part of the input later down the manifold line

or feed it both ways and converge at one of the middle machines

[copper aurora]

my inner perfectionist loves balancing

[hazy dune]

I’m sitting here with mark 1 belts wondering how people are getting manifolds to work. You use higher belt speed don’t you lmao

[hazy dune]

Snap

[oblique hollow]

you can manifold things that need 15/min with a mk 1 belt

just gotta be willing to wait

[hazy dune]

I’d rather balance

[oblique hollow]

whatever works

[wind spade]

you use whatever belt you want. Just don't go over belt limit

belt mk doesn't really have too much effect on how fast manifolds fill

[fierce cypress]

well then, if we're being technical you can also split in wholes smarty pants

[stable beacon]

is there a way to use the bi-product water of aluminum scrap back into the production of the alumina solution or am i going to waste my time setting it up and watch it fail

[fierce cypress]

||don't mind me stealing mcgalleon ||

[vapid gorge]

?? manifolds are easy with mk1s? Don't know what you're doing wrong

[oblique notch]

Well, if youre trying to do a manifold for over 120 ppm consumption then it does become more complicated...

[dark saffron]

you could use 2 manifolds for 120 ppm (2, 60ppm belts) that should work. just don't connect them

[oblique notch]

yes of course. It is more complicated, but you know. Its not that much but there is a lot of "common knowledge" that says this kind of stuff doesnt work in factory games, when in fact, it very much does in SF, and because of that sometimes its hard for people to break away from that pre-conceived notions.

[wise sky]

how do i do this? do i just do 240 = 120 = 60 = in the foundry?

[mystic moon]

I'm assuming you don't have mk5 belts?

[wise sky]

nope

i have mk3

[wind spade]

well, depending on how much you have on one belt, you hook it to that many foundries to empty the belt

[mystic moon]

You'll want to use what's called an injection manifold

[oblique notch]

or just multiple sets of belts

[wise sky]

i have 240

[wind spade]

multiple manifolds are easier tbh

one foundry needs 45/min, so you just divide [amount on belt] / 45 = [amount of foundries]

if you have 240 on belt, that's 5.3333 foundries, so 6, one of them underclocked to 33.3334%

[wise sky]

i dont have underclock unlocked how do i unlock that?

[wind spade]

you find a slug and put it in mam

[wise sky]

alright thank you

[vapid gorge]

yeah but you can't load balance 120 ppm on a mk1 either 😛

[oblique notch]

yah yah yah :p

[wise sky]

i have 3 constructors making 20 pipes/m how can i split that to 15 pipes in 4 assemblers?

[fierce cypress]

merge manifold > split manifold

[wet python]

my balancers suck... they don't like full inputs

[fierce cypress]

gridlock?

[opaque oak]

Because that isn't 2-2 balancer. The splitters need to be first on both belts and mergers second.

You currently block the lower belt with half the stuff from the upper belt being merged in.

[fierce cypress]

yea it looks like you've accidently built the premise of a priority merger

[wet python]

I manually removed some of the interconnections up to the point where only half of the ore remains, then it flows allright

[fierce cypress]

what sort of balancer are you trying to achieve?

[wet python]

it was supposed to be a 2x2, but as Baldur pointed, its flawed

[fierce cypress]

2x2 looks like this

[wet python]

ugly as hell lol

[fierce cypress]

you can build it without clipping, its just clipped because it is a smaller footprint

[wet python]

yeah i did make some, but they were kinda big.

[fierce cypress]

you can probably make it even smaller than that with more clipping and lifts

[wet python]

lol, I got this with lift clipping

the lifts aren't actually connected to each other, but they seem so

[fierce cypress]

slightly smaller footprint

[wet python]

it is possible to clip the other way too

i don't know which one is worse lol

[fierce cypress]

2nd imo

[wet python]

I tried with floor holes but i couldn't place the last one... but would look even worse.

I'll stay with the first

[worn crag]

im not running anything crazy, im on a laptop with an i5 and 1660ti, but i have upgraded the ram to 24gb so that could be what helps me run good grphics at stable frames

[outer bloom]

i only have 16 gb ram...

[heavy gust]

You dont need more than 16

[outer bloom]

yes, but the higher i have, the higher i can put my graphics

[heavy gust]

Not realy as of now

Had 0 fps difference from 16 to 32 on satisfactory

[opaque oak]

And that is how it usually should be with RAM, unless you are using IGP with shared memory.

[mystic moon]

It depends on your save

There are several that require 32+ just to open

[heavy gust]

Never seen ram usage past 7 gb, id say my save size is above average

Those have to be edge cases

[mystic moon]

That seems unlikely

I'm over the 12gb mark on my current save without having finished sep4 lol

A dedicated server needs a minimum of 10 to run in a small world

Iirc it's closer to 16 but I don't check regularly

[heavy gust]

i gues i need to build larger then

[frosty owl]

My Sushi Fuel Rods save currently asks me for ~7GB of RAM.
It doesn't even have 200 machines in it........

[opaque oak]

My game is currently using 4.5GB RAM actively and has 18.2GB memory reservation (not normally shown in task manager).

[heavy gust]

Maybe it depends on megafactory vs modular

I tend to spread things out and only transport final products

[hazy dune]

How many foundations would 16 coal generators need?

Or how would I calculate it

[opaque oak]

10m wide each based on wiki, so 160m wide total, when foundations are 8m, so 20 foundations wide.
26m long, so 3.25 foundations long.
(Width*amount)/8

[hazy dune]

Thanks!

[vast jungle]

I am at 5.6 GW of RAM for my world... so RAM won't be an issue anytime 🙂

[robust carbon]

My first 250 hour spaghetti coop factory (finished phase 4) save ran without issues. Hosted it, played together with friend, 16GB ram win 11

[dusk hull]

How tf you got 24gb RAM

[opaque oak]

8+8+4+4?

[dusk hull]

16gb on Channel A and 8 on Channel B?

[opaque oak]

No, 12 on both

8+4 per channel.

Works fine. Only the pairs need to be same.

XMP will not work with multiple DIMMs per channel usually.

But auto and manual settings usually do.

[dusk hull]

Ok

[opaque oak]

Max memory frequency is lower with 4 sticks vs. 2, and all latencies need to be individually by the worse stick for that one.

But those are always with 4 sticks.

Doesn't depend on the pair capacities.

[dusk hull]

Ok

[last saddle]

so i tore down my factory so i can prepare for t5 production (don't worry i overprepared to rebuild it lol)
i'm having trouble figuring out what ratios i want to use
i know i'll need 160 screws/min for each plate and rotor assembler pair, and 130 screws/min for each computer later on
screw production was the bottleneck before i got past t4, so i think i want to base intermediate production soley off the screws required and available
i've got 960 iron/min prepared and 480 potential copper/min, steel is coming in at 180/min but it'll probably be 270 soon
any suggestions?

[opaque oak]

Worse are those OEM laptops that come with 4+8 GB... 4GB usually soldered to MB.

[dusk hull]

Do you can use dual channel although your using different types of RAM

[opaque oak]

Mixing sizes in pair causes slower performance for part of the memory range. Or for all.

Now the dual-channel usually works with mixed pairs, for the common size range, so 4+4 as dual and then 4 as single.

For that 4+8 config.

[dusk hull]

I don’t understand

[opaque oak]

Laptop OEM:s do horrible things, which work somewhat but aren't good.

[dusk hull]

Ok

[opaque oak]

So when you see laptop or OEM desktop with 12GB etc. RAM, stay away.

[dusk hull]

Yes

[opaque oak]

But on desktop you can get those non-power of two capacities when you add more memory to old dual-stick config.

With no more problems than any 4 stick config.

[dusk hull]

Ok

I got ddr5 RAM I don’t think I can have more than 2 RAM sticks

[opaque oak]

If MB has 4 slots, but it drops the max frequency a lot atm.

Which makes it very bad idea if you don't need more than 64GB RAM.

[dusk hull]

Nah I think 32 gb are enough for gaming

[worn crag]

Yep

[opaque oak]

For Ryzen 7000-series, the CPU officially supports DDR5-5200 at 1 dimm per channel, both 1 rank and 2 rank dimms, but with two dimms the official supported speed drops to DDR5-3600.

Intel doesn't publish anything other than 1 dimm per channel at 1 rank numbers.

[dusk hull]

Got a Ryzen 7600X

[dusk hull]

• 32GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-6000 DIMM CL40 Dual Kit

[mellow sphinx]

Whats the best way to get Awesome Coupons early game? (Phase 1 Space Elevator)

[blissful granite]

I remade the quick search in minecraft lol https://i.imgur.com/3sFyffT.gif

[blissful granite]

Spam literally everything into the machine

[opaque oak]

And DNA capsules from hunting enemies.

[mellow sphinx]

Like What waste though - currently feeding 60 cable / min

[blissful granite]

everything

just dump everything you're producing and dont need atm

or split it 50/50

[opaque oak]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/AWESOME_Sink#Points_generated_per_item

[mellow sphinx]

any way to automate hog remains later?

[opaque oak]

Should be possible from when you can do it manually.

[deft lichen]

you can automate processing them, but not the gathering

[opaque oak]

Yes

[mellow sphinx]

was thinking like a Minecraft Spawner or something 😂

Hog Spawners

[deft lichen]

nope, not possible

creatures respawn on their spawn points after 3 ingame days if there's not a factory in range

[mellow sphinx]

this is a mess 😂

This Sorry ^

[deft lichen]

this is neat! there's also a "quick switch" equivalent called ItemSwapper based on Xisumavoid's video, if you know

[blissful granite]

Yeah I saw that

[late sapphire]

Do you guys make separate floor just for smelters only when building mini factories?

[mellow sphinx]

Anyone Able to help me a second?

I've created a Mani-fold system for my Foundrys. As shown below. The belt is putting in 270 Iron (6 Foundrys as i have). However the last 2 are not running at 100% Effective? Always idling due to low iron

All Manifold has Mk.3 Belt to each Splitter then a MK.1 Belt to each Foundry as it only needs 45 iron

[last saddle]

do i just underclock the decimal machines
yes im aware there's calculators but i wanted the result in a clean visual lol

[opaque oak]

You can underclock with more machines or overclock with less.
And you can either underclock all, or just one.

To get wanted total production.

[last saddle]

alright
i'm just kind of stumped on where to put 80 constructors for screws (and their rods)

[wind spade]

they will be efficient when the buildings in front of them fill

[last saddle]

oh yeah ^
fill them manually once and it'll work fine

[rustic patio]

would this work?

[opaque oak]

Yes, as long as the piping never empties.

But if there is suitable partial fill situation, it fail severely.

Because the second extractor cannot feed until the first fills the piping up to the upper pipe level.

And the machine tries its best to empty that part.

[rustic patio]

but it everything runs at 100% itll work out?

[opaque oak]

Yes. Highest headlift in the continous fluid counts.

[rustic patio]

great, thx

[wind spade]

I'd connect both extractor on the bottom level and give them one pump

or put two pumps just to be safe

[rustic patio]

they're kilometers apart

ill try it with one pump and add more pumps if it doesnt work

well, just over one km

[wind spade]

then I change my stand to "don't transport fluids across kilometers"

[rustic patio]

the factory and the pipe carrier is already built

[gray valley]

Quick question the cost for coupons in the sink is there a cap on how much a single coupon can cost or will it keep going up until integer overflow or is there some mechanism to prevent this

[wind spade]

it will go forever up

[gray valley]

so in theory what will happen to the game when the coupon cost hits maxint

[wind spade]

I doubt you'll ever hit that

[gray valley]

yeah but in theory

[wind spade]

in theory I don't have access to the code

[gray valley]

they should have a sanity cap just saying

[rustic patio]

theres certain integer types that can grow forever

well, until your ram is full

maybe they used one of those

[gray valley]

yeah but thats bad design at that point

you dont want to implement a mechanic that can theoretically take down the OS

[wind spade]

you won't reach int limit

[rustic patio]

lol, how would that take down the os?

[opaque oak]

And we have no idea what the devs have coded or not coded for that.

[rustic patio]

the number would be 2**16000000000 i think

[gray valley]

If you literally have an int that grows until the ram is full that's technically a memory leak

[wind spade]

uhhh... no?

[gray valley]

but you are right you will never hit that in normal gameplay

i was just curious

[wind spade]

you'll never hit that in any gameplay unless save editing

[rustic patio]

and im 99% sure the number necessary would be bigger than all of the atoms in the universe

[tribal gyro]

a single int will never, and can never fill up the entire ram

[rustic patio]

we were talking about ints that can grow larger than normal ints

[wind spade]

but that's not memory leak

[gray valley]

no but it could in theory take down an os in the same way

[wind spade]

memory leak is when you have a bit of memory that's still reserved for a software but not needed

[tribal gyro]

it cant

[rustic patio]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitrary-precision_arithmetic

[wind spade]

that's why you have swap

[tribal gyro]

worst case scenario, the program crashes

[rustic patio]

if you use external software to make your computer crash than that isnt a problem of the game

[gray valley]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

I may have disabled pagefile

[tribal gyro]

your OS wont die because of a single int overflow

[wind spade]

and if a program is taking more memory than available, os will crash the program

[gray valley]

Depends I have seen some alpha / beta builds of games that can have ram blow up so fast it causes a BSOD but usually that's because its just that unstable and usually kills a driver along with it

[tribal gyro]

i dont know how fast you can sink all items possible to make, but that scenario will never happen in satisfactory

[gray valley]

yeah figured

but yeah interesting there is no finite cap

[tribal gyro]

it would in theory save "ban" you tho

if it were possible

[wind spade]

that's faulty OS then, not the game 🤷‍♂️

[gray valley]

nah usually a render error that kills the nvidia driver

[rustic patio]

noone said that there is no cap

the arbitrary precison thing is just speculation from me. coult just be u64

and how anything is handled depends on the code, which we dont have access to. could just be a crash, could go down into negatives, could go to zero, or it just stays at the limit

or maybe its ub and your computer does a backflip

[strange star]

if i turned this into a hypertube cannon instead of a normal tube, how many light years would i go?

14 enterances

[mystic moon]

Probably cross the map not much farther

[strange star]

should i risk it for science?

i have no way to break my fall

💀 deaht is a gaurantee

[mystic moon]

Save then sure

Also you probably won't die from full health if you pick a good spot to land

[strange star]

i mean i jus dropped my stuff in a container

[mystic moon]

Also why are you still using default colors and foundations???

[strange star]

is this a good angle?

[strange star]

too lazy

i color my pipes tho, im not that much of a freak

[mystic moon]

Sure

It's a little high but it'll still launch you

[strange star]

wish me luck, nasa program time

wait should it be lower?

so i can get more dist

[mystic moon]

Maybe one tick

You sorta have to adjust on a case by case basis

[strange star]

this?

ima def die now, just fell off my factory and have half health

[mystic moon]

Lol should work but it looks like one end is misconnected

[strange star]

was an accident

that was the wrong angle, i turned into a railgun and hit my other structure like 50 m away

guess the original angle was fine

[mystic moon]

Cool

[strange star]

that is a certified damn moment

[mystic moon]

👍

[strange star]

that concludes todays episode of stupid science, thanks for watching

erm

[wet python]

I'm frequently getting stuck into my cannons, and after a couple seconds I end up dead can't even see where. Maybe my factories are becoming too big....

[strange star]

will linking like this make it faster even in an enclosed hypertube cannon

[robust carbon]

If going downhill in a tube, you'll start close to terminal velocity instead of slowly building up to it

If uphill, you'll go a bit faster for a lackluster distance

[versed violet]

Please see the "Cohrane Cannon" experiment on wiki.
23 entrances and mk5 belt runway
https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Uranium_Waste#Cochrane_cannon

[wise sky]

i just unlocked oil is this a good setup or should i produce more items?

[versed violet]

Linking them too close will cause game to 'skip' entrances at high velocities.
You can do a booster like in attached picture, but any more than that need to be wider spaced due to speed/fps interactions

[strange star]

Odd, my 14 enterance one worked fine, but then again its a closed circuit and no actual launching occurs

Only the end one was spaced further

[versed violet]

You can mix and match - check what usage of plastic/rubber you expect, usually more plastic is needed for computers and sorts. remember to proces oil residue into petro coke and sink/burn it.

[wise sky]

alright thank you

[versed violet]

notice following:
Mine has 1 entrance per 2 steps (4 per foundation), yours has one per 4 steps, 2 per foundation. You will start to notice the skipping if you squish your cannon into half of current space.
"skipping" depends on fps and current velocity.
You may not notice the skipping in enclosed tube, but if you did multiple launches, you will notice distance difference.

Also, this started to become glitchy, getting me stuck halfway or launching me in random directions upon exit, and is not recommended. It also did not let me shorten trip to base under 3 seconds, so the project was shelved.

Additional note: there is a hypertube booster mod that adds mk3 entrance which can replace ~10 regular entrances. You can build more compact cannons. Chaining 20 of those is not recommended 😜

[wise sky]

why isnt this working? can i not make the pipe go up?

[tropic hawk]

How high up does the pipe go?

[wise sky]

a lot

[oblique hollow]

thats too high for just the machine

you need pipeline pumps

[tropic hawk]

I would recommend reading the plumbing manual linked in this channel to learn what mistakes you made, so you can move on

[wise sky]

okay thank you

[oblique hollow]

its in the pins

[last saddle]

you can build a splitter on a 1m floor hole with only the bottom connected
this causes the splitter to face sideways, and anything snappable to the splitter will also be sideways
while i do not believe this has any practical use and is extremely finnicky, perhaps someone here is deranged enough to give it an actual application

[vapid gorge]

a few pictures that show step by step? I don't quite get what you mean?

[vapid gorge]

Lol thanks, that’s pretty funny

[last saddle]

yeah lol
i don't see any way it can be used that would make it better than a normal setup

[vapid gorge]

Aesthetic. You could have a near invisible belt moving stuff across a wall or something

[last saddle]

you can't extend horizontal lifts, so they only make for short directional changes

[vapid gorge]

Oh? So what happens in that last pic if you tried stretching it longer?

[last saddle]

nothing
it stays 4m no matter where you aim your view

[opaque oak]

You can make the horizontal lifts as long as normal ones. No idea how but it can be done in vanilla.

Probably need to be something for it to connect to.

[untold scarab]

Is there perhaps a calculator to calculate just exactly how to split to get a specific amount going that way, the other the other way?

[opaque oak]

Just Manifold It™️

And AFAIK no, just have to try to solve it yourself if you want to ratio-balance.

[untold scarab]

damn

aight..

[opaque oak]

Wiki has how to do certain ratios.

In the Balancer article.

[vapid gorge]

or make separate groups of machines that make exactly the amounts you need with the right clocking and only merge them into the lines you need?

[vast jungle]

the short version of balancers: "Split evenly as groups of 2/3 splits with splitters can do, then merge back the parts you don't need into the input... beware of full belts"

[prisma kraken]

i should introduce myself here, cuz math is kinda my jawn

i'm an older person that really adores the game

and has a degree in math stuffs

something that constantly hits me over the head in the game is that 13 doesn't form a multiplicative group with 2, 3 & 5

its oh duh b/c their all prime numbers

but the game really works on resolving those numbers together in production chains

[wind spade]

I assume you're balancing things?

or do you just mean in relation to ratios of buildings?

[noble timber]

“Maths stuffs” I love that. 😂😂

[vast jungle]

are you talking about (as an example) a balancer with 13 outputs?

[oblique notch]

I think this is on purpose, because otherwise ratios become super easy

[oblique hollow]

i cant off the top of my head think of anything that has 13 in it as a ratio

... pure iron?

i know 7 is sometimes used

oh yeah, pure iron

13 x 5 = 65 / min

and polymer resin recipe i guess

130/min

[tropic hawk]

@cinder viper a decent amount of RIP production early game, no alternate recipes in my opinion

[cinder viper]

woah that looks like a handy tool

ty ty

[vast jungle]

Factor 13 is really awful

Do we have factor 11?

[oblique hollow]

think so

[tropic hawk]

Greeny's tool, called SatisfactoryTools, linked in the pins

[cinder viper]

360 iron seems like a crap ton

[tropic hawk]

<laughs in five figure ore input>

[cinder viper]

lol

[oblique hollow]

until you realize its not

[tropic hawk]

It is a sizeable amount early game, but late game that is pretty laughable

[cinder viper]

theres two pure iron nodes a decent ways away but im in no state to hike my way over there and start a factory

so im just going to jerryrig these 4 free nodes near me

[tropic hawk]

Feel free to do what you will (I assume you are in grassy plain) but keep in mind later in the game you will have to expand

[cinder viper]

@tropic hawk beginning the construction

[frosty owl]

I don't think so.
Iirc, the only primes used are 5, 7 and 13. No more

[vast jungle]

In addition to 2 and 3 😉

[oblique notch]

A lot easier for people to think in multiples of 2 (halves) and 3 (thirds) though. That's pretty intuitive for most people I'd guess. Trying to figure out without help 1/7th or 1/13th is pretty hard. Hard to recognize too.

[hexed spindle]

I see greeny's tool is only updated for U6. Did any recipes even change in U7?

[deft lichen]

nope, not one

only some prerequisites for unlocking

[cinder viper]

about to turn it on

honestly my power is 0% going to handle this so I need to upgrade it first, but after a hugeass project that took hours, I HAVE IT DONE!

[prisma kraken]

pure iron, steel screw, base computer & hmf recipes, and mk5 belt speed; 780 = 60*13

[zinc crater]

lol power sometimes too. This "big ass" factory for HMF was turned cut from the grid while upgrading power...went to go back to it and the whole thing was like 200mw and I laughed

[prisma kraken]

How many HMF's/min is made in that?

i'm guessin from size that's either 2 or 3 manufacturers

[zinc crater]

lol It's the factory built before I joined server, but in total using the alternate steel recipe it was taking a whopping 112.5 petroleum coke per minute. I just finished getting it setup with a 3600Pcoke/min train line. It's like 12 hmf per minute or something small.
It won't be soon.

Server owner doesn't do math with as a big of numbers as I do lol

[prisma kraken]

yeah, using coke for steel is actually a nice recipe, it isn't solid steel, but like you get a nice yield from it if recycling the by-product from oil

i'm currently working on end-game nuclear recylcing in the swamp

and as an exercise, exploring using coke for steel+alum production, very interestingly complicated build

here's sorta my math on it: https://i.imgur.com/ds8GrfO.png

numbers in the red columns are a note to myself to re-check

[zinc crater]

There's 1 overclocked pure oil node feeding into the building. 15 Refineries at 133.3333% over clock. And up top is 15 more at 200% overclock. Makes 7 full 480 belts, and one 240 belt worth of Petroleum Coke.

[prisma kraken]

nuclear power on its own isn't a huge supply chain, but the recycling of uranium waste is kinda a huge factory

[zinc crater]

Oh, and I think like 300 polymer resin per minute being sinked, but eventually refined into plastic

[prisma kraken]

something useful if you're sinking resin

is as you deal with building out, just set up a refinery to make a container of fabric on the side, you'll only need one container of it through the game

[zinc crater]

oh right, with the water and resin recipe

[prisma kraken]

i usually do that in the initial teir 3 starter oil

[zinc crater]

on some fuel setups, since it's already so large, ill turn it into plastic then sink for extra points. but yeah the fabric is a solid one too

[prisma kraken]

you can forego doing that and use coupons for gas & radiation filters

they're cheap from the awesome shop, i think its 1 ticket for 25 gas filters or 10 radiation filters

[zinc crater]

cheap until 1 ticket costs 100000003939393939393 points lol

[prisma kraken]

yeah, when you really need those tickets is late game for supercomputers

[sonic nacelle]

how would one build water and coal generators where generators sit directly above the extractors that feed them?

[prisma kraken]

i actually have a rather nice design for that

[zinc crater]

figure out the clip height of the extractors and build foundations just above

[prisma kraken]

does this room mind me dropping a blueprint file?

[sonic nacelle]

more specifically it's the design of the pipes i need, sorry

[prisma kraken]

you need 2 pipes feeding the manifold

i recorded a vid of building a bottom fed cpp as a blueprint using the oversized bp mod

[sonic nacelle]

if you wanna dm any vids or pics to me if it's easier go ahead

[prisma kraken]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMe-zLv91xM

there's a bug with blueprints

[zinc crater]

@sonic nacelle The left is 48 refineries with 16 extractors somewhere like 6-8 walls below them. Wasn't terribly hard to setup or long, but it did have some issues with floor holes and flow. So it was a bit frustrating fixing that.

The other is 40 refineries making Steamed Copper Sheets, being feed from above. No pumps. Just connect and go.

[prisma kraken]

where you cannot place water extractors inside a bp's hitbox

i've since abandoned that design for a better and less time-consuming cp build

[zinc crater]

@sonic nacelle I don't know if you can see the end in the middle. but that's more or less the 2 pipes @prisma kraken was talking about

[prisma kraken]

were i to build that again, i'd use mk2 pipes

[zinc crater]

that's a lot of blue

[prisma kraken]

but that build kicks out 10+gw of coal power

yeah, i underestimated the time the pipework took

also, i started my u7 save in DD, and traveling for the resupply for it, timehole

[rustic patio]

does low headlift influence pipe pressure?

[prisma kraken]

headlift influences how high pipe fluid can travel, allowing it to climb vertically

[zinc crater]

if you need fluid up 15m, but only have 4m headlift you won't get any fluid to the top. Head lift needs to be high enough to get it to the next vertical point, and so on.

[prisma kraken]

working pressue means that the pipe is full when you look at it

[rustic patio]

yes i know, but does it also change pipe pressure as it goes near zero?

[zinc crater]

horizontal flow is forever.

[prisma kraken]

full pipes are happy pipes 🙂

[zinc crater]

technically i guess low flow = no pressure

because its not pumping anything to make pressure

[rustic patio]

true but its complicated

this is my setup

i have 4 water extractors at the bottom, a pump that pumps it up and 5 blenders that get bottomfed

[zinc crater]

turn off all machines asking for fluid.

[prisma kraken]

that should work, laura

[zinc crater]

let extractors go until pipes are full

[prisma kraken]

there's a well-known bug in the game

[zinc crater]

turn machines back on

[rustic patio]

yes heres the funny thing though. when i use a mk1 pump, no matter what i try, they dont run at 100%. they all run, but they turn off sometimes

[prisma kraken]

where sometimes headlift doesn't transfer through a pipe floorhole

[rustic patio]

this problem does not happen when i sideload them

[prisma kraken]

... how you work around it

[rustic patio]

thats not the solution

i already found the solution, im curious why it works

[prisma kraken]

is delete both sides of the pipe passing through the floor

build the top half, then the bottom, then the pump

[rustic patio]

⬆️

[rustic patio]

however, if i replace the mk1 pump with a mk2 pump, it works even when i bottomload

[prisma kraken]

this is why i abandoned the bottom fed coal power design in the vid i posted

[rustic patio]

well it works now so i wont change the design, im just curious why changing the pump makes it work

[prisma kraken]

i have a great distasted for giggling the handle on good designs due to bugs in the game, lol

[rustic patio]

what does "giggling the handle" mean?

[zinc crater]

@rustic patio so you're asking for an explanation on how a bug works? or how the game is intended to work, but you found the work around for the bug, and wanted to see if other people would guess that the problem was the bug, and not the flow rate that you started asking about but want to know how the bug is influencing the games intended mechanic?

*jiggling I think she means

[rustic patio]

idk if its a bug, thats the thing!

[prisma kraken]

like on a toilet when the water runs annoyingly

[rustic patio]

maybe its an intended mechanic i missed

[zinc crater]

@prisma kraken just said it is..

[prisma kraken]

you kinda just jiggle the handle to stop it, lol

[tropic hawk]

Have you read the plumbing manual?

[rustic patio]

nope, is it explained in there?

[prisma kraken]

yeah, @oblique hollow 's guide is very good

i kinda think i might ask in the support/bug forum for that to be added as an attachtment to a message in the codex when you unlock oil

i think it would be nice for the game to give you all info you need about things in it to actually do stuff without having to google answers

when i read mcgalleon's pipe guide fluids started really making sense to me

[rustic patio]

i looked at it and didnt see anything what i described

[prisma kraken]

pipes are just sorta buggy

there's the floor hole bug, then there's a loss of precision bug involving late game alum production

if you build a mega-alum build, unless you have a very high-end gfx card in your box, you're efficiency on the factory will always be < 100%

this is due to the fluid simulation requiring your gfx card doing 60 fps

[wise sky]

can i use a pipe manifold with a 240m input and eight 30M outputs?

[prisma kraken]

yes you can

pipes are bi-directional

undirestanding this is very important

i'm digging up a picture from mcgalleon's guide atm to visually show you

[sonic nacelle]

how much coal/min do i need for 32 coal gens?

[sonic nacelle]

aight, ty

[prisma kraken]

seriously, this is in-game a good resourse on its own: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/satisfactory_gamepedia_en/images/3/39/Pipeline_Manual.pdf but tl;dr, here's a diagram in it that answers your question:

again cred goes to mcgalleon for that

what kinda peeves me

is there was a change in U6 to pipe simulation

in the interest of optimization and making the game snappier that means you now need a pump on every vertical line

it shoulding be that way

this vid from scaldi demos how it should work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2bHWgqYD8I

that was made post-u4/u5, and the simulation of fluids has changed

the water tower thing is actually a useful trick i rarely employ

i have a rule, no fluids in my central storage

the exception to it is nitrogen gas

late game, i don't mind running a nitrogen line through central storage with packagers & drones feeding it

as a gas, it doesn't have headlift

the bug introduced in U6 fluid simulation, is that you think a pump pushes in one direction, but it actually pushes in both directions

the r/l physics of it are non-intuitive

by this is why you can syphon gas out of a car if you've ever seen that done

fluids aways push down and sink

you can actually create a water tower at a high height in the game, and get all the headlift you need by filling it, then setting a valve on it to 0

too much effort to build, however

i played around with that at the intro of the U6 change, its just less time efficient in building than dropping a pump on every line going up 🙂

[prisma kraken]

was it you or laura that had the original bottom fed pipe question?

either which way, i hope i explained it sufficiently

something i'll just share as a way of building efficiently and quickly, is its better to feed liquids in from above than below

one of my fav spots on the map is the DD mesa lakes becaus they're at such a high elevation

you can pipe down the water , and its like no pumps 🙂

[sonic nacelle]

yeah it was me initially, thank you

[prisma kraken]

i hope i answered without you feeling i've been man-splaining

if its come across that way, i'm sorry

[sonic nacelle]

as a guy myself i don't think it's possible to mansplain 😛

[prisma kraken]

mind a dm?

[sonic nacelle]

go ahead

[cinder viper]

ended up working out in the end! https://gyazo.com/a67f4f5548340285a9b8d2e9b8bd5399

[rustic patio]

ive found another thing that only a mk2 pump was able to solve

placing a mk2 pump on the right side of the bump makes it work. mk1 doesnt work and valve doesnt work

the distance from top to bottom are less than 10 meters and all machines are at the same height, how does a pump help in this situation?

i want to understand why it works so i can notice that its a possible fix in the future when i run into problems

any ideas? @prisma kraken

[prisma kraken]

laura, mind a pm?

[rustic patio]

nope!

[prisma kraken]

i'm doing too many things atm

[rustic patio]

yea sure, take your time! im not in a hurry

[prisma kraken]

and knew you were asking the question

but had a tough time finding you to answer it because i'm sorta scattered atm, sorry for that

[prisma kraken]

hiya

[hazy dune]

How should I split my iron into plates and rods? Should I do half to plates and half to rods or is there a better ratio

[wind spade]

that depends on what do you make out of it

[hazy dune]

Fair point

I’ll split it 50/50 for now and then I’ll modify if needed

[wind spade]

just make what you need now

[hazy dune]

I should probably plan it first before I build

[wind spade]

don't worry about future

[hazy dune]

Trying to make a factory that kind of makes everything iron

I’ll be able to do it

[wind spade]

figure out how much of each iron product do you need for building (roughly), put numbers into online calculator (or calculate yourself), build the factory

[opaque oak]

Hmm... 762/min sushi belt... Getting into danger zone...

[prisma kraken]

how you set up initial iron prod efficiently is a topic covered lots on yt

[wind spade]

well it depends on each player how much they need. there's no generic answer to that

[opaque oak]

So maybe better to split the concrete and silica to their own non-sushi belts...

[prisma kraken]

check out totalxcplise's or scalti's vids on it, but tl;dr'ing their wisdom, you get 120 iron into making plates and 120 into rods and screws and use splitting and belting tricks to do a 4 way split for screws and rods where 1/4 of the rods go to make screws

i don't do it that way, being honest

but using the nilla recipes, that's the way

what i do instead is set up miners on 2 iron nodes, feeding a plate and rod constructor, and one on copper wire, build enough biomass burners to allow me to go hd hunting

and when i find the cast screw recipe, then i really start building 🙂

[wind spade]

cast screws 🤢

[prisma kraken]

yeah, its a very good early game recipe

[wind spade]

yeah, for like first two hours

[prisma kraken]

later in the game you really don't need screws

[wind spade]

then you get steel screws

or steel rods

[prisma kraken]

steel rods is a great recipe, its tough to fit into a chain though

[wind spade]

why so?

[prisma kraken]

really though, late game, the only use for screws is building an awesomeshop for resupply in remote building sites 🙂

[wind spade]

screws have their use

e.g. copper rotor

[prisma kraken]

i haven't made friends with that recipe yet

[wind spade]

it's 8 copper ore -> 10 rotors (with pure copper and steamed sheet)

only needs some extra screws

most resource efficient out of three rotor recipes

[prisma kraken]

i've used it at times with steel screw to boost prod in get'r'done stages of package delivery, but it isn't something i really use in factory design

i've never had a problem with rotors, tbh

my starter iron build is sorta a thing that just slowly kicks out the right ammount of building materials quicker than i can use them

its entirely unuseful in the game to have blueprinted it, but here's the build as a set of 3 bp's, can i post files in this room?

its 3 32x32 modules

kinda 1st design i made with the U7 bpm 🙂

does anyone mind me posting it?

[wind spade]

I'm not sure what's the policy on posting BP files. Save files are forbidden 🤷‍♂️

[prisma kraken]

well hear it is, techincally it is just A&C but i created B as a mini storage mall in the middle because the belts were too tricky to connect in it without some space

i think it makes something like 20 plates 10 rods, 4 mf's, 80 screws,2 rotors and 4 rip's/min

i have signs in the bp to tell you the numbers

its enough to have one assembler on smart plating with output with a rip and rotor going into building materials 🙂

[wind spade]

I'd build smart plating separately

[prisma kraken]

entirely unuseful as a blueprint

[wind spade]

(well, everything separately, every production is either to storage or to sink, never to another production)

[prisma kraken]

you need that before basic steel production which is where bp's are unlocked

i was just all excited about the u7 bpm and it was my first test of it

quite the learning experience

something i learned in that project however, which i'll share with ya'all is that the bpm server 2 different functions

don't build complete factories in it, the pain of deleting design work + beltwork is pretty time consuming

either bp machines or design work, but partition them into those catagories

otherwise, as you tear down a design you placed, you'll be like why is a roof in this bp, and kick yourself for it 😛

i must say though i'm really enjoying the u7 addition of the bpm, its adding a new dimension to the game for me

my u6 world was all about architecture and beauty and like fine choices in design, my u7 world is like mad-science where i'm just building compact machines that run efficiently

my u7 world is sorta a weird thing, its kinda just a series of science experiments

everything in it is a blueprint i've first designed in the bpm

some things are kinda straightforward duh things with the bpm

like 8x constructor or 10x smelter manifolds

it just saves time to blueprint such things and reuse them

that being said, it can be used to create much more complicated factories as well

let me run back home and share a photo of my oscilator build

i'm laughing a bit atm

grabbing this picture, i needed to resort to poverty strategy to bild the lookout tower of the motor factory that i bp'd

[vast jungle]

I have blueprints for every single machine (or most of them) with the input and output splitter/merger and a powerpole... makes it very easy to build larger manifolds.
Unfortunately the number of blueprints per machine increases with the number of inputs/outputs

[prisma kraken]

yeah, me too, i'm starting to puzzle out how to do lb'ed splits in bp's

noodling on that all atm

i think i have a great design for an assembler vertical split

i designed it to support making the p4 ads component in 1 hr

but in smaller form, its useful in things like circuit boards, cheap silica, EIB's, etc

anywhere you need two things from separate factories on a scale of 4 or more assemblers

i'll be back in a bit, i think my computer needs a reboot

cya soon

hey, back

[vast jungle]

I am still not finished with the Manufacturer blueprints... because I want 10 different ones 😉

constructor/smelter was easy... four combinations: two directions for input, two directions for output... 4 templates
Manufacturer? 5 combinations of input... from all 4 left to all 4 right... and each of them with two combinations of outputs.. 10 templates

[vapid gorge]

This sounds worse than just putting down a bunch of machines

[vast jungle]

it speeds up the process quite a bit... because of all the small steps that can go wrong when you setup the input/output manifolds... especially with the multi-level manifolds you need for 2/4 inputs

[vapid gorge]

Yeah but I also hate cookie cutter factories

[cinder silo]

He builds big, round, rings within rings factories that take way more patience than I have atm 🙂

[vast jungle]

I have some factories with special "design", but some are just rectangles...

still, the setup for the splitters/mergers for each single machine shouldn't change much, only their connection

[steep edge]

Hello,
i just finished the last tier of particle enrichment and thinking of my playthrough some questions came up to my mind. I didnt use any trains for transportation, mostly belted stuff from from nodes to my factory and send drones from factory to main storage.
I figured i would generally not build a lot of e.g. Computers in the first place, rather do one Computer factoy at the beginning to feed the storage. Later my factories for radio control units, supercomputers and turbomotors would also contain the production of computers. So i was wondering if people do a large factory in the beginning for computers, crystal oscillators, motors or whatsoever and then distribute it with trains (or something else) along their factories for further production? And if so, how do you distribute with a transport system the correct numbers? Let's say you are producing 15 and the factories need 3, 7 and 4 items per minute

[vast jungle]

I have done both in different playthroughs

[vapid gorge]

I also just don't like copy paste stuff tbh. Every factory that has Assemblers look like BP#2 and #3

[vast jungle]

the problem with "large factory for all needed item X" is that you don't know how much you need... and its often easier to build a new factory than to extend an existing one.

[vast jungle]

fair point... I only customize the look of the manifolds if necessary (which sometimes happens)

[vapid gorge]

Unless I've unlocked basically everything and have a final goal in mind I just slap things together as needed so that I have some production all the time going to containers.

I personally can't be bothered doing fine crafted factories on stuff that's almost certainly temporary

[wind spade]

I personally prefer the "don't build more than you currently need" approach

a.k.a. every item is produced in a separate production line from raw materials and outputs directly to storage

[steep edge]

yes that's also what i do... maybe something that comes with using the calculator quite a lot 👀. I also managed to almost have everything 100% efficient, thats why i dont like the train approach and i dont know if i can make the distribution properly work

[vast jungle]

I produce some goods centrally... like Rubber/Plastic and Aluminium-Casing/Alclad Sheets... because when you produce them, you normally produce a lot of them.

for computers/other electronics? Not anymore... I tried in my first playthrough but (Super)Computer factories get quite large, even with small output. So there is not that much gain from centralizing their production

[steep edge]

and how do you distribute Rubber/plastic and Aluminium Stuff to the other factories?

[vapid gorge]

you could train, truck, drone, belt? depends how much you need moved, how far away it is and what the terrain is like

Now that I've unlocked everything and have a plan I'm making things super local - so I decide on what the hub is making, then figure out what recipes I want to use based on what resources are available in various locations. Keeps everything very local

[vast jungle]

I use dedicated train stations...

each of the factories producing the "mass production" stuff has a smart-splitter/sink combo... the receiving factories do NOT have a sink for the input... so the trains just distribute all of the stuff and then begin circulating partially filled. works like a manifold

[vapid gorge]

For example my uranium rod factory is almost completely contained in this small area. I have to move very little to it

[vast jungle]

my uranium production is a funny exception... its completely self-contained in the swamp (and the surrounding area)... and everything necessary to produce enough fuel rods for 10 powerplants is on a separate (geothermal-powered) power grid

[steep edge]

alright that is kinda what i was looking for! But you still need something like a full container at the "entrance" of you factory, don't you? So this is quite painfull for lower quantity products?

[vast jungle]

yes... I only do this for items I produce in the hundreds/min.

otherwise its painful to wait until a new factory is filled up enough that the "train manifold" works again

[steep edge]

alright alright, nice info, thanks

[vast jungle]

its VERY similar to a manifold... if the stack size (input receiver buffer) is too large, the manifold takes long to run smoothly

and a freight station is a 48 stack sized buffer? 😉

[frosty owl]

Please don't fight.
You both have a place on the credits of my SFR factory

[cinder silo]

Who's fighting?

[vapid gorge]

I think Ven is being hyperbolic

[cinder silo]

Ahh.

[vast jungle]

he makes a bit fun... I know Ven quite well 😉

[cinder silo]

I haven't run experiments for a bit, quite a lull after the belt to belt and merger thing.

[vapid gorge]

Did those get fixed with the belt connection optimisation btw?

[cinder silo]

The belt issues were massively diminished, experiments were able to still toss out errors but not even remotely close to before the changes went in, it's actually usable.

[vapid gorge]

So like on many b2b you might see a handful over hours ?

[cinder silo]

Down to zero in a lot of cases unless the route is extended and the save is the size of mine.

[frosty owl]

*or
I don't think the "end" is needed

[frosty owl]

There's a decent recap here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/zeh6gb/psa_state_of_belts_in_update_7_bugs_fixes/

(I forgot to include the disappearance of the duplication bug though)

[rigid plover]

(I hope this it the right channel)
Which look juicier:

1. Encased Industrial Pipe, or
2. Solid Steel Ingot?
   I'm leaning toward the latter...

[wind spade]

that depends what are your goals and what do you want to use it for, etc.

pick one that looks better to you

[rare path]

Solid steel is a big efficiency boost I say that one

But both are good

[little moon]

How do you build the circles for ur factories?

[rigid plover]

Thanks for the advice!

[primal flicker]

https://youtu.be/rxwaIit3JVM

I love his vids.

[oblique notch]

Cobalt and I also use Perfect Circles mod because it can be a huge PitA to make curves in many situations

[vapid gorge]

yeah perfect circles is great in a lot of situations for very complex, overlapping or precise positioning is needed, but manual methods like the video work great for good tailored situations

[vapid gorge]

Solid steel can provide 50% steel increase over base and encased pipe is amazing cause it's a 33% reduction in steel use for those items

[vapid gorge]

oh and this video might be better for a lot of dif curves you might want ot put down https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmJiL4JznaU

[tropic hawk]

Solid doubles your steel, EIP cuts it by 33% so Solid is better for now, but EIP is good for later if you see it again

[next grove]

I'm planning out a new factory to make computers, circuit boards, and crystal oscillators from quartz, iron and copper. What would be a good ratio for what to make of which?

[vapid gorge]

Depends what you're building after

Unless you have a clear goal of what you're making with one step make enough that is useful for you now

[next grove]

Well, I mostly need them for space elevator parts, and I might be using them for road signs/trains in the future

I guess I could try and aim for a 1:2:4 ratio, based on the stack size for each item

[gusty nexus]

well for starters, you're also going to need oil

[vapid gorge]

Maybe aim for double that? This is assuming you are going to keep some large containers of parts for quick production later.

super computers are a thing and they take a fair bit

[next grove]

Not for computers + circuit boards, since I got the silicon CB + crystal computer alt recipes

[next grove]

Double that for computers?

[vapid gorge]

yeah if you want a moderate progression even if yo uhave stuff just going on in the background

even for personal use waiting 60 min for 60 computers sounds like a pain.

[gusty nexus]

yeah off the top of my head you'll need circuit boards the most, followed by computers, with oscillators a distant third

[next grove]

So, maybe 2-5 oscillators/min would be enough?

[gusty nexus]

yeah 5 is about as much as you realistically need to make enough radio control units for advanced production/construction needs

[next grove]

Ok, so the plan I have on Satisfactory Tools so far gives me an output of 4 oscillator, 20 computer, and ~128 circuit boards / minute

[gusty nexus]

you should probably repurpose some of the quartz and circuit boards for also making connectors

[next grove]

In that case, I'll probably upgrade my caterium processing plant first

[vapid gorge]

is the 128 cb going into computers? What do plan on using them for?

[next grove]

Those are going to be used for space elevator parts, HS connectors and maybe train signals

[fierce ruin]

What is 2+3+3

I don't know

[tropic hawk]

2+2+3=7
Why do you ask?

[fierce ruin]

Meta quest 2

[fierce ruin]

Needed it for my first grade English homework

[tropic hawk]

This raises more questions, the most obvious being why do you need math for English? And why are you on discord in the third grade?

[fierce ruin]

Oh I've failed first grade 10 times

No, I'm just messing with you

Please don't report me

[vast jungle]

I think we have a troll here...

[frosty owl]

Trolls are only appreciated if they're funny

[vast jungle]

so (in my opinion) this one is not

[opaque oak]

I made a horrible temporary thing to test nitrogen gas throughput as gas over rail.
#screenshots message

And test begins. Sending side station is full, receiving side is completely empty of Nitrogen.
Everything else is saturated at the packaging.
Sending pressuriser set to exact consumption I will need in future and packagers are set to mimic the usage of the final production.

Trying to move 1620/min nitrogen via fluid train.

[vapid gorge]

Exciting 😛

[opaque oak]

Just set second train on the route, both set to only do full loads and unloads.

And my gas priorization was working, the single packager tapping from all four stations was last to shut down when nitrogen ran out after first delivery, little before second came in.

360/min per platform to two packagers, and then 180/min input single packager that takes from all four platforms.

Train had to wait on the sending side, so it was empty at some point. So now we will see.

Receiving platforms still had some gas when next train came over and buffers started to empty while the unload happened.

And then started to fill again once it was done.

[vapid gorge]

Are the packagers working full steam then?

[opaque oak]

So need to move and monitor the sending station now

Yes at the moment

Need to monitor for more, because the transport hasn't reached equilibrium yet.

Ah, again the train left the sending station just before the other train reached it.

[vapid gorge]

…. Gooooood?

[opaque oak]

Extremely.
But I'm only transporting 1620 over link that should be able to do 2400 /min at full tilt.
Both extraction and consumption at 1620.

Buffers dropped to around 310 in storage while the unload happened again.

Train cycle seems to be stable.

[heavy gust]

encased industrial pipe is the best recepie for encased beams, right?

[opaque oak]

Sending side buffers all hovering around 140 when the platforms are taking gas in.

So all good on that front too.

Shot up to 270 while load was happening and started falling again.
So everything seems to be stable.