vapid gorge
Consider that an injected manifold should probably, at most, save 1 machine per manifold system.
But then you have to weigh the extra objects and space for belt works to go around those buildings anyway, plus making sure you have smart splitters with overflow set.... if you really know what you're doing... it's fine? There's no real negative. I find it weird but you do you.
I hate them because it traps rookies
And the very minor possible saving of space can be replicated with 1 overclocked machine
injected manifolds irk me on many levels
upbeat tide
This is a very old screenshot, but the setup of that alu example.
vapid gorge
L o n g
upbeat tide
Yup
But its easy to see what has failed. Like I know going into U6 some of the bauxite nodes got buggy and will need a reset
This is final output, spans two floors
small pollen
Wow
Thats a pretty cool factory, but why would you ever need that much aluminum?
Just because?
upbeat tide
Just because?
Just because. I am consuming about a third so far tho
small pollen
What a beast
upbeat tide
The alu factory is in the background of this screenshot
Well, not the stuff built on top ofc
upbeat tide
Thats a lotta parts
All of those, it is! And all for one thing, 22.4 plutonium fuel rods
Well, the stuff in those three sections
fallow sun
So I'm building a coal plant right? so I do a quick calculation of how many coal plants I can fit on one pipe with 300 cubic meters of water flowing through. So I type in the calculator 300 / 45 (which is the rate of water consumption of a coal plant under max load I think) and it gives me 6.66667 or something of the sort. So I place 7 plants and underclock the last one to be 66.66667% of it's productivity, and for some reason, I don't have enough water in the system and one of the plants keeps losing power. Why is that happening?
And why do the plants consume 30 cubic meters of water out of 45 when they are set to 60% efficiency?
Shouldn't it be 27?
I feel like I'm missing something obvious, something I don't have enough attention span to see.
Can somebody help me with my crippling adhd
small pollen
Power plants scale weirdly when over or under clocked
I recommend building coal plants near a good water source and just generating more water than you need
vapid gorge
So I'm building a coal plant right? so I do a quick calculation of how many coal...
Yeah you'll have to check on the underclocked machine how much its actually asking for.
The other thing is pipes are tricky. It's good to loop a pipe manifold back onto itself and flood the whole system and machines before turning it on.
fallow sun
Done the flooding part
Checked the actual consumption of water
Was surprised, but now I know that seems to be either a common issue or an inconvenient addition
@vapid gorge Do you think it's a bug or an intentional addition to aid with... Something?
sand epoch
The non linear #s in generator clocking? Feature
fallow sun
Why though
Like, I don't see a reason for them putting it there
Not power consumption, the water consumption.
I can see why they made the energy consumption non-linear
But I don't understand why they made the same for water?
sand epoch
They like us having to puzzle things out? Lol
vapid gorge
Why though
it's one of the reasons why people make lines of 8 coal generators as 3 extractors feeds them perfectly
fallow sun
or inject the water correctly
What
How can I inject the water into the generators incorrectly
Sorry I’m sleep deprived I might be missing something extremely trivial
fallow sun
I just flooded the system beforehand
So that the system will function as intended
Aaaah i get it, I’m getting dumber by the seconds
Sorry I need to go to sleep
fierce cypress
prefill will just delay the problem if you are underfeeding
fallow sun
Yup
Anyway here’s a meme and good night:
I guess it’s not really a meme. Just have an episode of SpongeBob.
frosty owl
I guess it’s not really a meme. Just have an episode of SpongeBob.
Sounds like the kind of stuff that can get you labeled as a spammer 
frosty owl
Wait, that's illegal! 
fallow sun
<@337270763964858368>
Bruh
unborn ermine
Bruh
Its true, its against discord TOS to upload full episodes of shows or movies
🙂
Especially on verified/partnered servers, where they are more accountable of the users actions.
mellow yacht
So who's getting sued?
snow dove
Its true, its against discord TOS to upload full episodes of shows or movies
and is a copyright issue
acoustic carbon
bruh
vapid nest
Question: I have 10 water extractors, meaning I need 4 mk1 pipes to transport everything. How do I connect them?
What I mean by that is how do I lay out the pipes?
vapid nest
Or should I just underclock?
small kayak
I'd go for 2 extractors into 1 mk1 pipe
Depending on the terrain... but stacking is probably the easiest way to go
wind spade
I'd build stuff near water and not worry about amount of pipes
vapid nest
That's how I did it now
fierce cypress
thats all going into one pipe though?
vapid gorge
Messy but if it works it work
Any reason you have so much space between the extractors and generators?
vapid nest
You know what I actually don't know
I started by copying a tutorial of Kibitz, but it's getting more and more my own design..
vapid gorge
I mean if it works for you it works 🙂
vapid nest
I remember someone here saying to me that if I made my factory with keeping power requirements at a minimum that it's not really the point of the game
vapid gorge
I remember someone here saying to me that if I made my factory with keeping powe...
I think it's more that in the game theres basically no method you can come at it that will go over the maximum amount of power you can generate. So power isn't a bottle neck>
If you want to set yourself a limitation to how much you can use thats something you can do if you think it's fun.
vapid nest
Also having one huge platform high above ground like some alien spaceship is just awesome
vapid gorge
It can be a giant hassle moving things up and down to it but if that's what you like doing
vapid nest
I think the height will actually come in handy, I have to move all the plastic that's made here with conveyors to the future computer factory. So added height will make it easier
vapid gorge
go for it 🙂
vapid nest
But first I'll go to bed. See ya around
vapid gorge
night!
runic garden
What is the best pre-diluted fuel way of making fuel for generators?
I was thinking of converting crude oil directly into heavy oil residue, then converting that to fuel, but I don't know if I'm actually getting more energy out of it since it requires so many more refineries that draw power
vapid gorge
I was thinking of converting crude oil directly into heavy oil residue, then con...
do you have the HOR recipe?
runic garden
do you have the HOR recipe?
Yup
shadow prairieBOT
vapid gorge
you can get 6 oil : 4 fuel or 6 HOR : 4 fuel
You can squeeze +1 hor from doing the HOR step first so you could, in theory, get +33% more power from it ignoring the extra machine costs
runic garden
Yup, I've been analyzing that. My wonder is if the machine power draw cancels the benefits
vapid gorge
I doubt it but I haven't crunched the numbers.
My main concern would be slightly subjective: Is the extra effort and hell that is refineries be worth it
runic garden
Doing 6 oil: 4 fuel consumes about 300MW of power from refineries, whereas doing 6 HOR: 4 fuel consumes about 1,000MW of power from refineries
vapid gorge
Doing 6 oil: 4 fuel consumes about 300MW of power from refineries, whereas doing...
go into satisfactorytools.com , select only those recipes and max out fuel production. It'll tell you how much power it consumes 🙂
runic garden
I already did that, which is where I got the 300 and 1,000 from
But I'm not sure how to calculate the energy per minute from a given amount of fuel
vapid gorge
for the same volumes?
vapid gorge
But I'm not sure how to calculate the energy per minute from a given amount of f...
just compare the extra fuel and (extra fuel/12)*150mw
runic garden
Oh yeah, I'm basing this on an input of 600 crude oil per minute btw
vapid gorge
I'm surprised it goes from 300mw of refineries to 1000mw tbh.
runic garden
I basically require 3x as many refineries if I go the HOR route
You know what, from that alone, I think I'll just do 6 oil: 4 fuel. 30 refineries is more than I wanna build lol
vapid gorge
You know what, from that alone, I think I'll just do 6 oil: 4 fuel. 30 refinerie...
that's fair!
the extra 133.3 fuel does another 1666 mw. So it's still more than 2x what you're burning
so you ARE getting about another 1,000mw from the extra work - which isn't nothing
runic garden
Aaah, okay
glacial summit
maybe perfect system
vapid nest
oh boy..
oblique hollow
diluted fuel? 
heavy axle
Having a slight issue
So I have 2 water pumps going to 6 coal gens at the moment, coal supply is fine its a perfect tier node on Mk2 conveyors.
The water however isn't flowing well enough?
wind spade
use 3:8 ratio
oblique hollow
Oh I need 2.2 water generators
2.25
heavy axle
I've just been using the wiki math, just did my math wrong lmao
oblique hollow
120 * 2.25 = 270
heavy axle
2.2, 2.25 either way I need a 3rd
heavy axle
Okay so the wiki formulas are right I just did my math wrong lmao
Time to crank it up to 8 generators and get another pump going
oblique hollow
game is great at punishing bad math xd
heavy axle
Ah but I love math and love the wikis library of formulas and graphs
oblique hollow
Time to crank it up to 8 generators and get another pump going
do be careful with pipe capacity there then
heavy axle
Hold on let me send a quick sketch of my layout so far, wana see what I should do to adjust
oblique hollow
just add 2 more coal gens to one side
wind spade
G G G G
E-+--+--+--+
E-+
E-+--+--+--+
G G G G
This is my setup atm
Was using the loop since unused water stays in the pipe, or is that not how water physics works anymore? Lol
oblique hollow
with 8 gens you cannot use 1 pipe like this
heavy axle
Ohhh is that what this is referring to?
oblique hollow
ye
heavy axle
Okay that makes more sense now
oblique hollow
if you do the math: one gen needs 45 water
8 * 45 = ??
and pipes can move how much?
heavy axle
300
oblique hollow
which question is that the answer to
heavy axle
I get ya lol
oblique hollow
all good then
heavy axle
Just curious, the pipes are labeled mk1, are there mk2 pipes?
oblique hollow
yes
heavy axle
Ooo
oblique hollow
dont expect any mk 3s tho
heavy axle
600 flow rate?
oblique hollow
ye
heavy axle
OOOO
oblique hollow
though thats likely to be decreased in a future update
heavy axle
Fair, that is a lot of flow
oblique hollow
instability ensured
heavy axle
Are there any late game options to make water flow up better?
heavy axle
Okay because I want to see how viable constructing a water tower is
Because if I can take the IRL concept of a water tower to apply in game that would be kinda useful
oblique hollow
you can
heavy axle
Oh that’s dope
The mk1 pumps don’t seem all that effective so I’m definitely gonna wait for mk2s
heavy axle
Tried going up about 10 tiles playing around with them and mid was struggling to flow
oblique hollow
dont do tiles
use the snapping
pumps give you a neat indicator where their headlift ends when you snap them to pipes
if you dont trust that, snap them slighly below that
safest bet
fierce ruin
i was doing meth and i got this but idk if this matches up also i uhh dont know what it means by 1.8x or 2.25x unless it means like overclocking or something
fierce cypress
i was doing meth and i got this but idk if this matches up also i uhh dont know ...
The decimals are overclock values yes
fierce ruin
nice
now time to deconstruct everything
and rebuild it all over again using the right things
fierce ruin
The decimals are overclock values yes
if its 3x does it mean i have to do this
fierce cypress
if its 3x does it mean i have to do this
Just have 3 machines at 100%
fierce ruin
yeah
sullen cloud
i was doing meth and i got this but idk if this matches up also i uhh dont know ...
Or build 1 machine at 100% and one at 80% (underclocking), underclocking saves power and power shards compared to one machine at 180%
tropic hawk
i was doing meth and i got this but idk if this matches up also i uhh dont know ...
What people are saying in a less concise way is that those numbers are the equivalent clock speed of the process. In other words, you need enough machines at whatever clockspeed to equal that. Mc(Ms)=PCS or Machine Count x Machine speed = Process clock speed.
wind spade
if its 3x does it mean i have to do this
3 machines mean 300% total clock speed. So e.g. 3 machines at 100% or 2 machines at 150% or 6 machines at 50% or anything else
frosty owl
||"greeny tea" ahaha lol, funni||
wind spade
||"greeny tea" ahaha lol, funni||
🤔 I'm confused wdym 😄
unless it's not related to previous message
frosty owl
"greeny" helping out "tea". It's really that low...
wind spade
I guess I'm tired enough to not understand or something 🤷♂️ whatever
frosty owl
It's just a 
worthy, low-level pun. No need to waste brainpower on it
wind spade
100% of my brainpower is currently wasted on keeping me up and not falling to sleep
smoky goblet
@dark badge @nimble ore
nimble ore
👍
wind spade
It's just a <:bammer:467730728780693510>worthy, low-level pun. No need to waste ...
ok nvm I just read the name of the person I replied to and it now makes sense
||I am speed||
fierce ruin
im trying to figure out how to make it so its 60 / min instead of having to put random numbers on the items / min number thing. is there a way to do that or i cant?
fierce ruin
no im trying to make it be 60 / min on the raw copper part
cinder silo
60 cables takes up 60 ore, unless you're wanting mixed.
fierce ruin
i want mixed
cinder silo
Any particular quantity of wire/cable/sheets?
fierce ruin
idk i just want it evenly
cinder silo
20 cable 20 wire & 15 copper sheets will take up the 60 ore.
You'd need another 10 ore if you want 20 sheets in addition to the others though.
fierce ruin
someone just tried phishing me on steam so sad
cinder silo
Eww! , block that crap.
cinder silo
I'll probably use the same plan on my northern forest save 🙂
Leave some room and you can instantly double it up when the 120 belts are unlocked.
cinder silo
mk2 belt, mk1 miner will still throw out 120 on a pure , or ofc get the upgraded miner.
fierce ruin
god my bottom part of my lip is still numb from the dentist
well its a normal deposit so ill get 120 when i get the mk2 miner and its my next milestone
cinder silo
When the encased beams are still expensive you can do a short run to a splitter and have two mk1 belts carry the 120 from the mk2 miner.
Easy to unscrew later on.
fierce ruin
what?
cinder silo
Not encased beams wtf am I on about, reinforced plates 🤦♂️ , I need coffee.
fierce ruin
why does this keep happening
vapid gorge
why does this keep happening
ocasional graphic glitch. Seems to happen more if you interact with an object before it's finished it's build animation
rarely happens to me w/o mod use though
sand epoch
Consider it a bonus for your factory
fierce ruin
i have a mark 2 miner on a normal limestone node. what clock speed should i set my miner / one of my constructors so that its 100% efficient. or does that extra 15 material not matter much if its just not being used at all
im using it for an encased industrial beam factory
vapid gorge
i have a mark 2 miner on a normal limestone node. what clock speed should i set ...
depends how many constructors you're using right?
fierce ruin
depends how many constructors you're using right?
well if i use 2, it means theres a remaining 15. as constructers take in 45 but im giving out 120. and if i use 3. theyre not getting enough. so i need the underclock them
vapid gorge
25 remaining you mean?
fierce ruin
so how much do i underclock them? and do i underclock the constructors or the minor
vapid gorge
well if you set a number in the production of the miner it'll change the clocking.
So if you want to stick with 2 you could set it to 90 right?
You need a butt ton of concrete though in the game so unless you're making a bunch elsewhere I'd just crank it as fast as your belts can manage and pump out tons of concrete
Once you fill up your storage it'll stop anyway
fierce ruin
You need a butt ton of concrete though in the game so unless you're making a bun...
im at the point where im only using two impure nodes with mark 1s and doing fine hahahhaha. im using this normal node with mark 2 miner for an encased beam factory
vapid gorge
Ah fair - actively trying to keep small factories? Encased Beams (or pipe) are pretty consumptive in resources for the next things that use them in my experience
fierce ruin
Ah fair - actively trying to keep small factories? Encased Beams (or pipe) are p...
i try to make a factory ( small works fine ) for every thing in the game before i move up in tiers
this factory is my last before space elevator tier 3
vapid gorge
ahh so your first encased? Fair enough. There's a good alt recipe that uses pipes instead of beams which is really good you should keep an eye out for.
There's also a reasonable chance in the future you'll dedicate a whole node going all on on concrete just for them. So up to you how much future planning you do 🙂
fierce ruin
im at the point where everything is just everywhere and nothings good looking as theres conveyors running hundreds of metres to my main base for storage. so it all looks really stupid. hopefully ill have trains soon and can fix this mess
vapid gorge
I'm pretty sure everyone starts out that way. Even my main base on my 3rd attempt was neat but hectic
One of my approaches though was to not worry about feeding X items into Y production line. If I wasn't making enough rotors for example to feed both things eventually one would fill up and feed the starved line
Heavy Modular Frames is what you're going to need the Encased Beams for shortly btw. They are resource HOGS
fierce ruin
WHAT is this recipe im looking at right now
who thought of these numbers. 24 steel beam 30 concrete for 6 encased?? hello
u just click on a random number generator and hope for the best?
vapid gorge
XD yeah I think it's partially balancing and partially wanting to let people know about clocking things properly (if that's important)
The pipe recipe though chef kiss
fierce ruin
i make 90 of each thing per minute. that suits nicely for the 30 concrete needed. i can put 3 assemblers down. and have the remaining 18 steel pipes go elsewhere?
vapid gorge
Beams or pipes? Pipes are more useful than steel beams imo
fierce ruin
is there a way to use splitters and make 45 items into a line of 18 and a line of 27?
vapid gorge
is there a way to use splitters and make 45 items into a line of 18 and a line o...
You know about overflow manifolds?
fierce ruin
im using beams
fierce ruin
You know about overflow manifolds?
ive heard it before looking at chat but didnt know what they where
just big words for my small brain
vapid gorge
ive heard it before looking at chat but didnt know what they where
So have you ever had a belt of items with some splitters feeding machines to the side?
fierce ruin
like a line of 60 going into two lines of 30 to go into machines?
vapid gorge
like iron ore going to a spliter, feed two smelters and go to another spliter?
Sure but now lets pretend you have 120 goign to 4 smelters what woudl you do?
fierce ruin
wdym
like i have 120 iron and need to put it into 4 smelters? id use two splitters
or well 4
wait 3 LOL
vapid gorge
Would you have to split off the ore seperately for each?
fierce ruin
i meant 3. one splitter to make it 60 each line then 2 more to make it 30
fierce ruin
Would you have to split off the ore seperately for each?
yes
vapid gorge
Ok I'll draw you a picture (literally) one sec
fierce ruin
HASHAHHAHA im that stupid. gawd
vapid gorge
HASHAHHAHA im that stupid. gawd
everyone's brain is dif dw
vapid gorge
HASHAHHAHA im that stupid. gawd
should have spun it sidways sorry.
Ok now both these methods work.
fierce ruin
i use both those methods. one on the right for my iron farm and one of the left for my rotor farm
vapid gorge
do you get why the one on the left works ?
vapid gorge
Ok so the machines on the left - the first two- will get more items then the ones later right?
fierce ruin
yes
vapid gorge
What happens when those 2 machines fill up on parts being fed?
fierce ruin
the other ore has to go somewhere else. or they just stop lol
but since theres another conveyor heading to the later ones it will just go there right?
vapid gorge
they'll go to the further machines right?
fierce ruin
yeah
fierce ruin
ohhh okok
vapid gorge
Because after a while it'll balance out the items
Mostly just called Manifold for short
So your question is there a way to use splitters and make 45 items into a line of 18 and a line of 27?
@fierce ruin
is there a way to use splitters and make 45 items into a line of 18 and a line of 27?
If you clock your machines to only eat 18 of the 27, the rest will eventually flow properly. Takes a little while to balance though
Assuming you aren't sinking the overflow
fierce ruin
okay, i understand i think haha. so i can use 4 machines just it will take a while for it to balance out. then onces it does it should work fine
appreciate ur help. ur a bloody genius
vapid gorge
okay, i understand i think haha. so i can use 4 machines just it will take a whi...
Now the one on the Right - That's called a Load Balancer
It's another way of doing things, there's nothing wrong with it, but it takes up more time and space and is fiddly. Mostly it looks good? Seeing everything flowing smoothly is kinda nice right?
The big downside though is you can't edit or change them and still have them work, gotta rip them out completely. Manifolds are more flexible that way.
I recommend using manifolds as a rookie personally. It's easier, less to worry about while you learn other things, and will save you time. 🙂
vapid gorge
appreciate ur help. ur a bloody genius
also anytime, happy to help
fierce ruin
so i finished the factory
its a mess. and isnt in a building. just on foundations
@vapid gorge just gave it power. fingers crossed it works.
vapid gorge
<@242963947349606400> just gave it power. fingers crossed it works.
Should be good 😄 Also if it's not on foundations that's an argument to make all the concrete 😛
vapid gorge
Ah yeah- good general tip? Find 3-4 nodes of coal far away from you main base and just make as much power as you can. When you get better belts? Overclock more and get more power
fierce ruin
i made it wrong anyways. i forgot to make the steal ingots into steal beams..........
i think thats a job for another day.
vapid gorge
fair 🙂
vapid gorge
i hate having to make power plants......
RIP you. 48-64 coal generators is a reasonable amount to have before getting into fuel power
fierce ruin
i dont even know how many i have. but i have 750 max power
i was using 950 with my new farm. and thats me forgetting to make steel beams. so maybe make that 1000 total.
when im next on ill try find as many pure nodes as i can and just go all out
vapid gorge
when im next on ill try find as many pure nodes as i can and just go all out
are you in the grassy fields?
vapid gorge
to the northish in the hills you'll find 4 nodes next to a lake that's good
fierce ruin
cuz i gutta get to the desserts nd shit for the good coal ones
fierce ruin
to the northish in the hills you'll find 4 nodes next to a lake that's good
yeah using those already i believe
vapid gorge
ah well build that power up there! best spot around for you
fierce ruin
although i think i can probably make a better farm now that i have mark 2 miners and mark 3 conveyors
so thats a task for next time
vapid gorge
gl!
fierce ruin
tyty
vapid nest
How do I balance liquids the easiest way?
I need 566 going one way (in 2 pipes) and 233 going the other
brittle thunder
fluids don't balance in the same way materials do
vapid nest
That's why I'm askig
brittle thunder
just hook up enough pipe to carry the volume to where you need it
and don't rely on 600m3/m from T2 pipes
cinder silo
You could check valve it, but 566 leaves one pipe almost at capacity as a mk2 anyway., that 233 is going to go the other way on its own somehow.
vapid nest
But I have heard that mk2 pipes will ruin the system somewhat. Also shouldn't mk2 pipes never be connected to mk1?
cinder silo
That bit doesn't matter as much as long as the liquid within isn't trying to get 600 to go through a 300.
I have a whole lot of mixed mk1/2 pipes, often feeding off the mk1s and the 2s for collecting many inputs.
vapid nest
Wait now that I think if it, couldn't you limit the amount that gets sent to each locatio that way?
cinder silo
After a fashion, liquids can backflow which can complicate matters, if you can you need to have the pipes being separate systems if you want to enforce a split, otherwise one set of machines or another is liable to starve for a bit.
vapid nest
how do I enforce a split? Horizontal pumps?
cinder silo
What fluid are you trying to divide and where is it coming from
cinder silo
Once those pipes are full the fluid should divide itself without further intervention.
Otherwise just have enough packagers on one pipe loop for the task you have in mind, and the rest on another to feed whatever it is you have in mind.
vapid nest
Oh yea right, I forgot to mention that I can just hook up the amount of packagers needed for one pipe together
They already produce everything
vapid nest
Is using horizontal pumps to prevent backflow a good idea?
brittle thunder
I did it on my long Nitrogen line, the slop was annoying me
cinder silo
I use check valves for that.
brittle thunder
machines at the base were basically starving, even though there was plenty of supply
ahh fair enough, not messed with check valves yet, lol
essentially just a 1 way valve?
vapid nest
Are check valves different from normal valves?
cinder silo
Same as a horizontal pump but you can turn the flow rate to 0 to shut the pipe off if you want.
And it being unpowered doesn't reset head lift to 0
For the most part they aren't needed, just occasionally being able to switch off a pipeline is useful.
vapid nest
But I can't just put one on a pipe and say "let 7 pass through and make sure the rest goes the other way"
cinder silo
You "can" restrict flow but it only works when the pipe is filled and at working pressure.
brittle thunder
no then, basically, lol
cinder silo
I keep seeing the statement "full pipes are happy pipes" bandied about, but they are less predictable when not totally filled.
vapid nest
This is my situation: Right pipes needs to send 53, left pipe the rest (7)
The pipe network on the right are mk1, the other side mk2
wind spade
How do I balance liquids the easiest way?
don't think of pipes as belts
Basically you just want to connect all buildings, from the end of the manifold loop the pipe back to the start of the manifold for better fluid separation and let it be.
everything will work when pipes are full and you want to keep them full anyway
dim mason
I think "full pipes are happy pipes" is also meant as filled volume-wise, not full capacity throughput. So either prefill them or have a slightly larger production than needed, so it balances itself
wind spade
it's mostly meant volume-wise
ember fractal
I prefill before turning on the consuming factory
wind spade
and if all pipes are full, valves are pointless 😛
vapid gorge
Is using horizontal pumps to prevent backflow a good idea?
one before the manifold is sometimes needed
Mostly I find in cases where you're bottom feeding the machines
vapid gorge
though if the pipes are full it shouldn't matter
I'll top feed when my body is cold in the ground 😛
And I've discovered weird behaviour depending on the volume of the liquid being pulled from the manifold while bottom feeding - sometimes it needs extra care
My next one at the junction I'm going to only use mk1s and see how that works
river dirge
hey, what is the best way to get an even flow of 30 iron ore into 10 smelters from a 300PM miner . the math works out as 300 /2 > 150 /2 > 75 /2.5 > 30. However I can't figure out how to spilt into 2.5 in game. I'm not sure if it is even possible. any advice is appreciated.
fierce cypress
hey, what is the best way to get an even flow of 30 iron ore into 10 smelters fr...
if you want to load balance:
150/5 = 10(30)```for a 5 way splitter:
assuming you are using mk4 belts then the bottlenecked one is fine
river dirge
Ah ok. I'll give this a go. Thank you!
vapid gorge
Ah ok. I'll give this a go. Thank you!
Look up overflow manifold, totalxclipse on YouTube. There’s simpler ways 🙂
fierce ruin
I am trying to use 120 / min steel ingots to make steel pipes and beams but idk the correct amount for both of them since its either the items will be like 20.5 or 21 type thing
well it would be 24 steel pipes and 21 steel beams
oblique hollow
I am trying to use 120 / min steel ingots to make steel pipes and beams but idk ...
it takes 180 steel ingots for 45 steel beams and it takes 90 steel/min for 60 steel pipes /min
120 steel per min is 66.6666% of 180.
180 steel can become 22.5 steel beams and 30 steel pipes.
adjustes for 120 steel ingot per minute, thats
15 steel beams per minute and 20 steel pipes per minute
fierce ruin
hmm but im getting 120 coal and iron a minute unless you want me to use less?
wait
hmm
oblique hollow
... no wait
fierce ruin
something is wrong?
oblique hollow
i messed up the math
oblique hollow
you want equal amount of both or what
fierce ruin
equal amount?
oblique hollow
equal amounts of beams and pipes
or do you not care and just want to use 120 steel per minute
oblique hollow
considering how disgisting the numbers are...... actually no
fierce ruin
so there cant be an equal amount with the amount of iron and coal im getting?
oblique hollow
its not really nicepy doable in general
1/4 and 2/3 are not nice numbers you can relate
fierce ruin
hmm i see
oblique hollow
lets see....
240 steel for 60 steel beams.
90 steel for 60 steel pipes
means 330 steel for equal amounts (60 and 60)
120 into 330? 0.36363636
or rather 330 into 120
you need more beams anyway
asymmetric is the better approch imo
fierce ruin
i was looking around and there is another pure coal deposit around another 2 normal iron deposit so i can just use that one for steel beams
one for steel pipes another for steel beams
jeez using the STools is really useful
broken stream
jeez using the STools is really useful
That is good
brittle thunder
one for steel pipes another for steel beams
any limestone nearby? You can make some encased beams on site too!
vapid nest
i was looking around and there is another pure coal deposit around another 2 nor...
At the edge of the map?
hoary falcon
I'm trying to figure out how to build a perfectly optimal quartz setup, but the only way I'm seeing how is by using a ton of powershards.
velvet adder
Hi everyone,
I have been struggling with this topic for a while and I think it has to be easily solvable for someone with a decent amount of math/geometry skills.. Thank you in advance.
Here are the basics:
-In general, I would like to build ON the world grid.
-My goal is to build a line of foundations between two points on the map, both ends being on the word grid.
-On this line, I would like to integrate two 135 degree curves (find screenshot attached) connected by another straight, 'diagonal' line (which is off-grid).
-However, as you can see, no matter what radius I choose for the curve, I can't manage to properly reconnect the diagonal off-grid line to the world grid find screenshot attached.
Let me know if this is clear or if you need more information.
And most importantly, thank you for your help!
wind spade
I'm not sure if this is possible or not
I'd say 90 degrees are possible, but not sure if something else
paper prism
Theoretically it should be possible, you just need to find the correct length of your diagonal off-line grid. It won't work for every parallel displacement of your two original lines.
wind spade
it can't be done with whole foundations
you'd need to pick a radius so that radius / sqrt(2) is a whole number
so the radius can't be a whole number
paper prism
Just crunched a few numbers. Radii of 99 & 29 will get you within about 1% of a whole foundation. 58 gets you within about 2.5%. Not sure at what error level foundations will snap again, if at all.
velvet adder
Just crunched a few numbers. Radii of 99 & 29 will get you within about 1% of a ...
haha, that is insane. 😄 thank you for that!
For those of you who are interested, I got another suggestion on reddit that works for me: i used a triangle with two legs of the same length meeting at an angle of 90 degrees. that way, the other two angles are 45 degrees. the only limitation is two straight foundations overlapping slightly which is absolutely fine for me. thank you guys!
fierce ruin
any limestone nearby? You can make some encased beams on site too!
yes
fierce ruin
At the edge of the map?
also yes
vapid gorge
For those of you who are interested, I got another suggestion on reddit that wor...
any reason the two places HAVE to be attached to the world grid?
fierce ruin
i can make 16 smart plates a minute but it would be 372 iron ores a minute but since i have mk2 miners and 6 impure iron deposits i have 380 iron ores a minute so what do i do with the rest? is there i way i can use them?
also considering the size of all of the buildings this will be a pretty big project. for me at least since this is the farthest ive gotten
13 iron smelters 5 plate constructers 12 cast screw Const. 6 rod const. 4 rotor assemblers 4 reinforced plate assemblers and 8 smart plating assemblers
1 smelter being underclocked along side 1 iron plate, 1 iron rod, 1 cast screw and one reinforced assembler
vapid gorge
i can make 16 smart plates a minute but it would be 372 iron ores a minute but s...
I always recomend making space parts as a by product. You're already making the basic parts right? Just funnel them to the side
fierce ruin
wouldnt making them outright be better?
vapid gorge
wouldnt making them outright be better?
why? Wouldn't that factory become obsolete very quickly?
fierce ruin
yeah i guess
round grove
I wonder what the math would be to add a Hydroponics setup, to allow growing Beryl Nuts, Bacon Agaric, Paleberries, and similar biological items? A rough estimate would be 10 MW, it takes in 10 of the plant type, and after 20 minutes it outputs 11 of that Plant type (recipe is set similar to existing machines).
Primary goal is to get a steady source of Bacon Agaric and Mycelium (plus Paleberries & Beryl Nuts) for Medicinal Inhalers.
vapid gorge
I wonder what the math would be to add a Hydroponics setup, to allow growing Ber...
there's a mod for that.
vapid gorge
yeah i guess
I'm making an automatic process for phase 4 space parts but that's a final goal map project. Phase 1-3 I just use a spliter from my main factories and have them fabricated on the side while doing other things
fierce ruin
could you show me the phase 1 - 3 splitter?
vapid gorge
could you show me the phase 1 - 3 splitter?
its literally just a spliter on whatever parts you're already making to a few assemblers or whatever making space parts. I then delete them after
so if you need reinforced iron plates and rotors to make smart plating? I take the existing lines and just shift them to a couple machines to chug away.
There's always plenty of other things to do in the background while that's happening - making more power infrastructure, creating a new hub somewhere. By the time you get back it'll mostly be done and you won't have had to build a dedicated factory.
That doesn't mean you shouldn't build a dedicated factory. If you think that's fun go for it - I just don't like putting in that much time on very temporary structures
fierce ruin
oh so the things are temporary and after doing the phase you wont need them anymore unless it is used on later phases?
also this is the one someone showed me
vapid gorge
oh so the things are temporary and after doing the phase you wont need them anym...
I'll generally make extra smart plating and store them for the next phase - but yeah you need a very limited amount of space parts compared to the many many basic parts they are built with anyway.
Again there's nothing wrong makign a permanent factory for them - maybe you eventually want to make a big factory that produces all the space parts at once or something?
I personally don't see a point though.
fierce ruin
yeah you're right. so what did your other small splitted factories look like anyway? was it anything like the picture above?
vapid gorge
yeah you're right. so what did your other small splitted factories look like any...
sometimes yeah.
You can just fill a few container with the basic parts you need and when you're ready for space parts use them as feeder bins
For me they were just thrown together. Very little plans, maybe 2 or 3 machines doing the work
fierce ruin
also i havent bought anything with tickets since i dont know what to sink and is there anything i should sink?
vapid gorge
if you don't have coal yet don't sink. It'll just mean you have to collect more bio fuel
I generally start to sink when I have oil unlocked.
but gotta jet for a while and deal with my rats
round grove
i have coal but what the hell does that last sentence mean
Sounds like real life got in the way
You know, the stuff in the big blue room with the really bright light way up high?
fierce ruin
yeah
i dont think its a room
well it can be if you think of it like that
anyway it doesnt matter. rats as a pet seems pretty cool unless they mean a pest problem.
vapid gorge
i have coal but what the hell does that last sentence mean
Oil? You can sink petro coke easily from oil early on 🙂
And yeah I have to clean my rat room 🙂 Messy buggers need clean cages
fierce ruin
well i dont have oil but i have coal
thats the only thing thats running my factory
i just made the explosives so that i can use my second part of it and it should give me 2GW of energy to use
vapid gorge
2gw aint bad 😄 aim for 4-6gw from coal, that will let you squeeze your way by until you get the good fuel recipes
fierce ruin
wildc4rd showed me this one and if i believe he said they both give 2gw
vapid gorge
anyway it doesnt matter. rats as a pet seems pretty cool unless they mean a pest...
And pet rats are amazing 😄 but you do need to research up on them quite a bit - they take more care and know how than you expect
yeah that seems reasonable for coal 🙂
vapid gorge
and you have room to expand as your tech gets better 🙂
fierce ruin
i left my doggo here :[
the one coal im not using yet is blocked by a boulder i have to blow up which is why i researched the explosives
fierce ruin
this one is the one i have
Just curious, whats the numbers with your powerplant here?
brittle thunder
Just curious, whats the numbers with your powerplant here?
1950MW
it would probably take an extra few coal gennys, but I'd rather have a small overflow on the input end
fierce ruin
How much fuel does a fuel generator use per minute
brittle thunder
Think it's 4.5s per fuel, and like 14s power fuel with turbo
But also not at a computer
deft lichen
12 m3/min for fuel and 4.5 m3/min for turbofuel
fierce ruin
it would probably take an extra few coal gennys, but I'd rather have a small ove...
If my maths are right, (assuming you are using tier 3 belts and are overclocking miners) then you have an input of 810 but are only using 390 of that coal, you can double that powerplant whilst still having coal to spare
brittle thunder
12 m3/min for fuel and 4.5 m3/min for turbofuel
thanks Ondar, the numbers looks similar, just borked the units without being able to see them!
brittle thunder
If my maths are right, (assuming you are using tier 3 belts and are overclocking...
mark 2 miners, probably Mk 3 belts, yeah
I don't have much room there to be honest so I'll probably leave as is until they get stripped. With my turbo and diluted plants I'm at about 45Gw anyway now, and will probably just repurpose the coal for steel
fierce ruin
Ah fair enough
Not sure how you dont have the room tho, as I have a 64 coal generator coal plant in that exact location
brittle thunder
with my layout I mean, and I have a similar layout over in blue crater
but yeah, that was my 'first coal', and have moved to fuel now anyway, starting nuclear soon ish
fierce ruin
Are the actual generators at the water level then?
brittle thunder
that was back when 'I'll Never need more than 2000MW!!!!'
fierce ruin
How long did that last?
brittle thunder
about 2 days
fierce ruin
That seems about right
cinder silo
I remember thinking I'll be fine after expanding the coal station to 96 generators, that so didn't last.
fierce ruin
I intend to get a turbo fuel power plant before I even start oil refining, so hopefully that power lasts a while
cinder silo
Even regular dilute fuel can run the whole show for good if you take up 3600 oil and have a mountain of refineries & fuel gens.
It depends entirely how big you build the factory.
brittle thunder
Are the actual generators at the water level then?
crap pic, but yeah, they are like 2m above water level
fierce ruin
Ahh thats why you dont have the room, that makes sense now
My plant is above the water generators
brittle thunder
at the time I was finding fluids a pain in the ass (truth is, I still do.. lol)
so I went for easy
cloud swan
which is the best recipe for turbo fuel?
finite wave
what the fucks turbo fuel
cloud swan
up tier fuel
finite wave
is it a mod?
cloud swan
nope, vanilla
cloud swan
got into nuclear yet?
finite wave
im at plutonium
unborn ermine
Its primarily hard drive related, so I can see why someone could miss it.
finite wave
oh right that shit exist
endgame is so lame
its literally just math and dragging shit across the whole map
but from just looking at it ill say primarely number one
unborn ermine
Oh yeah, I would go for 1 as well, mainly because when you do get into hard drive recipes, you can just go ham and get a ton of fuel to start.
finite wave
and from the residual you can make number 3
fierce ruin
god this took forever
tacit shoal
god this took forever
that image makes me feel ill
sand epoch
god this took forever
That took more than a few minutes? O0
fierce ruin
that was my biggest project im not lying
i can make it cleaner but i dont even feel like trying to
fierce cypress
Foundations: *exist* 
fierce ruin
TOO BAD
vapid gorge
its literally just math and dragging shit across the whole map
That's the whole game 😛
slate scaffold
When you've only had the game for less than a week but try to make efficient factories anyway 😄
I think it's right but after many many hours of trying to figure out a efficient factory for smart plates, my brain has turned to mush
unfortunately i now have to reroute my ore inputs and redo the smelter floor since originally I was thinking of using 540 ingots for it, but just couldn't work out how to best use all of it 👁️
vapid gorge
When you've only had the game for less than a week but try to make efficient fac...
try satisfactorytools.com ?
wind spade
unfortunately i now have to reroute my ore inputs and redo the smelter floor sin...
Also recommended to start from end product, not from number of ingots
noble timber
When you've only had the game for less than a week but try to make efficient fac...
Use spread sheets instead
It’s much easier to follow imo
mental tundra
Am I misunderstanding the point of the calculators in the stickied? I want to figure out how many smelters I need for each miner, and then how much overclocking to use on each constructor for 100% efficiency. Is this what the calculators are for? Because I don't know how to use them and I can't find any guides
rapid iris
Well The satisfactory calculator can help you with that, but if you get exactly, I would recommend doing the math yourself, I’m not too good with the SC because i always do the math by myself, but once you learn the basics its not hard, its just note taking
tropic hawk
Am I misunderstanding the point of the calculators in the stickied? I want to fi...
Miners have a rate of production. Divide that rate by 30 and multiply by 100 to get the equivalent clock speed needed of smelters. Then take the output of that, and divide by the consumption rate of the constructors and multiply by 100 to get the clock speed.
rich arrow
vapid nest
It's finally done...Will it work tho?
oblique hollow
It's finally done...Will it work tho?
only one way to find out
vapid nest
Hooked everything up, it kinda works but I guess the bigger the factory the longer it takes to start up
For anyone wondering why there are 2 sinks that just swallow 900 plastic, it's because I never intended this factory to produce plastic as a final product, I first need to build the other part and then I can send the plastic there. Until then, sink goes nomnomnom
cinder silo
That plastic could do classic battery when you're ready for it.
vapid nest
I'm on the 4 oil nodes on the coast so I could yea, in the future there will be 3 more factories like that. Now though, I need them for my precious 15 computers pm
slate scaffold
Also recommended to start from end product, not from number of ingots
yeah that's quite important, those maths i posted took me something like 20 minutes, compared to 2-3 hours of getting nowhere trying to make 540 ingots work 😄
vapid nest
I wanted to make 900 Plastic anyway but when I did the calculations of my computers I was like, how much can I make with 900,answer is 15. Well, technically it's 870 plastic, but 1 computer more would result in me needing 70 oil which is just not any good
oblique hollow
@proven prawn since you asked for it. More pages with other info follow soon
oblique hollow
and this attempt at trying to give troubleshooting advice
cinder silo
Cool.
cinder silo
It'll all help, many steps people wouldn't even think of because of how easy it is to get hung up on "but muh pipes should werk!" without actually taking troubleshooting steps.
Look at my hypervelocity brake for cannon runs, most see people getting yeeted through walls and wouldn't think of a way to arrest that speed, so folk like us end up doing it for them.
oblique hollow
aye. the entire manual is supposed to help, so i guess after knowing the basics, a simple basic troubleshooting guide will act as a nice starting point.
cinder silo
❤️
small kayak
Thanks! Great work!
proven prawn
It'll all help, many steps people wouldn't even think of because of how easy it ...
Mistakes were made, so pipes operate just like belts for manifolds...right....right?! Well it appears I engineered myself into a problem of my own making
Lessons learned pipes != belts
vapid gorge
Mistakes were made, so pipes operate just like belts for manifolds...right....ri...
Except that belts arent bi directional
proven prawn
I was referring more to manifold convergence, which isn't how pipes operate, aka my pipe manifold was designed to fail from the start.
noble timber
Mistakes were made, so pipes operate just like belts for manifolds...right....ri...
Noooo not at all
urban jay
Uhhhhhh
fierce cypress
all that for vers frames?
urban jay
all that for vers frames?
Apparently
frosty owl
SFTools ftw
fierce cypress
Apparently
how many i/m you tryna make lol
frosty owl
Alzo, that picture is so small one can't read anything without downloading the full version...
urban jay
how many i/m you tryna make lol
Currently I make 5 p/m
and well I need 2500
i'll also need to unlock oil processing for plastic and rubber
and then ulnock industrial manufacturing for the engine and ball thing recipe
fierce cypress
@urban jay just use that
frosty owl
Definetly use SFTools to calculate anything involving recycled Plubber loops. The map site can produce weird results when those loops are involved, whereas SFTools just works
urban jay
ok this map should be fairly easy to follow
frosty owl
<@719913008037494894> just use that
Standard RIPs are for noobs, Bolted is where the magic happens 
fierce cypress
why
frosty owl
Lots of output for little effort (least machines needed per RIP produced) when combined with steel screws <3
fierce cypress
with steel screws i can kinda understand ig
frosty owl
A bit "stee heavy", but definetly worth the machine reduction imo
fierce cypress
only downside really is the coal
frosty owl
It's "steel heavy" 🤷♂️
One could use coal, compacted coal, or even coke, but there are recipes that use less iron and even no steel at all
rich arrow
this one is the one i have
how do u get these maps
frosty owl
Satisfactory Calculator & Interactive Map aka SCIM
rich arrow
ok
lethal dragon
satisfactory calculator doesn't seem to deal with "complex" factories too well (backfeeding items, multiple recipes for the same item etc)
got this one from satisfactory tools' production planner without any issues
plus imo satisfactory tools is easier to use
oblique hollow
satisfactory calculator doesn't seem to deal with "complex" factories too well (...
yes tools is better suited for complex stuff
calculator cant deal with recycling loops like recycled plastic and rubber at all i think
lethal dragon
you can't have an output made via two different recipes
and it might be the same for intermediate products
cause it insisted on either trashing the polymer resin or getting rid of the heavy oil residue
vapid nest
I am so thankful i always multiple check my calculations...
oblique hollow
its a good practice
vapid nest
Finished my plastic factory, wanted to start my computer factory. Had everything ready to build, but I thought "what if the power isn't enough? I didn't even calculate everything to realize I don't have enough. Now i know I need to build 25 fuel gens again...
tropic hawk
Finished my plastic factory, wanted to start my computer factory. Had everything...
Just build a few hundred in advance, then you're set.
vapid nest
Just build a few hundred in advance, then you're set.
No turbofuel, just plain fuel.
tropic hawk
No turbofuel, just plain fuel.
Did I stutter?
wintry aurora
The point is more to set a large group and build at once rather than adding incrementally, right?
vapid nest
There is only so much power I can get from one node
vapid nest
Did I stutter?
No you didn't, but a couple hundred gens is just not possible for me. Yet.
wintry aurora
Iirc, you can do 30 something gens with fuel using the diluted fuel loop using one pure oil node.
vapid nest
But which diluted fuel?
wintry aurora
Or was it 60?
wintry aurora
But which diluted fuel?
The difference between packaged and blender diluted is so small as to be negligible.
vapid nest
You don't need packagers.
vapid nest
And that's why I said I can only get about 25 running because I don't have blenders yet
25 gens isn't easy already, since I have no Automated computers or hmf. Hmf are craftable manually, but computers are just a pain because you need soo much plastic
wintry aurora
Oh, that early. I’d probably expand it to 30 something gens (you’ll have to check the math) to take full advantage if you’re using a pure node.
vapid nest
You mean overclocking the node to 250%?
wintry aurora
Plus that, yea.
vapid nest
I know that with 200% I can Cover 25 with some surplus
wintry aurora
25 should be enough to last a while.
vapid nest
It did. Until I built my 900 plastic pm factory to set up for my computer factory which consumes 1000mw each
wintry aurora
I’d have started smaller scale at first, imo.
vapid nest
870 plastic will get me 15 computers per minute. That's still low compared to what other players have completed. But to be fair, I am still mid game
wintry aurora
More of a ‘personal mall’ scale, enough to supply construction materials.
vapid nest
I need computers especially since I want to get into trains.
wintry aurora
You don’t really need 15 per min for personal supply, imo.
vapid nest
The more the better
And I didn't just build a huge factory that Outputs 900 plastic and I don't use everything.
Then again, I'm the guy that built a 150m tower with 5 levels each having 5 fuel gens because circles
main shuttle
is it dumb of me to split that first coal node & have it feed an off-grid coal generator & water extractor right near it to keep the miner going, to feed the main coal line headed into the main coal power plant area
wintry aurora
It's completely unneccesary to have an off-grid power plant to keep the miner going in that there's no reason to IMO but as long as it's not creating further problems for you, sure?
tropic hawk
is it dumb of me to split that first coal node & have it feed an off-grid coal g...
Depends on your use case. If you don't need all the coal, it's fine. If you are limiting yourself to have the excess power, it's dumb.
main shuttle
i'm just the kind of idiot that'll overload my main grid, & knock out the coal feeder supply to it entirely
zenith stirrup
when it comes to coal power I do not think there is a point, because there is usually saturation in the belts/pipes
but for fuel generators I would put your oil -> fuel production on their own power grid so if you blow a fuse your fuel production doesn't get knocked down
main shuttle
doing a completely fresh game with the u6 experimental, so no oil yet
but yea, once oil gets involved it gets a lot easier
zenith stirrup
yea I started fresh in update 6, it is now my furthest game I have ever done
just got Mk.3
miners
brittle thunder
Finished my plastic factory, wanted to start my computer factory. Had everything...
I tend to go with power upgrades first, never have to worry then
fierce cypress
"If power is a concern to you, you're doing power wrong"
brittle thunder
I rejigged my old fuel plant on the West Coast yesterday
from 4800MW with straight fuel, to 33600MW with HOR and Diluted
yet again reiterating to me that the initial straight fuel setups probably aren't worth it
glacial halo
can someone give me a hand with some math checking for my save?
fierce cypress
if you want help ingame then use #looking-for-group-old, if you just need help then we need more details
glacial halo
if you want help ingame then use <#942153627013881887>, if you just need help th...
basically im calculating how to efficiently utiluse every node. what i did was figured out much can be used and then saw how much is used in each recipe (aka 3 limestone for 1 concrete) i added them up together and divided the total usable limestone by the total amount used in every recipe) and i went to double check the math was right as i didnt get the same number back it was offset by .00000000000001etc and im not sure if thats a math error or calculator error. happens on all other natural resource nodes
glacial halo
basically im calculating how to efficiently utiluse every node. what i did was f...
i turned into a ratio etc
1,468.3333333333333333333333333333:1 limestone ratio to see how much of each item could possibly be crafted and i dont get the straight answer converted back
deft lichen
jeez that's a lot of ads...
you can figure out the max production of any single item using satisfactorytools.com, just select the item and "maximize", alts can be enabled in another tab
glacial halo
you can figure out the max production of any single item using satisfactorytools...
thx, itsjust the fact that i cant enable all items at once cause i wanna know max possible of each item/resource and it doesnt work. if u know a way around this i would appreciate it
glacial halo
Have one tab per result
yea but like if i set each tab to one item, it wil try to utilise every node. if 2 things try to take the same resource it attempts to split the resource heavily but when i try to put every item in so i can calculate how much of each can be phsycially crafted/min it doesnt work
this is an example if it didnt make sense
i dont think the tool properly works cause i try plutonium fuel rods at its max and it doesnt work
yea the tool's version of 'max' is 100.
glacial halo
it works for me
can u send screenshot? it clearly dont work for me
fierce cypress
glacial halo
<@939524408807141406>
> https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=C2GF...
thats weird cause it doesnt work for me
fierce cypress
thats weird cause it doesnt work for me
can you send yours
glacial halo
can you send yours
fierce cypress
can you send a link
glacial halo
fierce cypress
that blue button
fierce cypress
you need to add uranium waste as an input
because you cannot produce plut rods without the waste
and you set it as 2520 for max plut prod, because thats the max you can get
glacial halo
i was just using it as an example . i just wanted to see if its possible to utilise every node maxed and split the resources accordinly into all the items
glacial halo
because you cannot produce plut rods without the waste
ok thx
fierce cypress
i still dont entirely understand what you are trying to work out but 🤷♂️ if you have another issue ill be here to help (or someone will probably )
glacial halo
i still dont entirely understand what you are trying to work out but 🤷♂️ if yo...
so esssentialy, imgaine you utilised every node on the map, then the resources of all nodes split evenly to make stuff. aka the max bauxite that can be phyiscally harvested is 9780/min. now imagine that being split evenly into all different items that require bauxite etc for all resources
idk if that helps lol
but thx for trying to help before
fierce cypress
so you're trying to maximise everything?
glacial halo
pretty much
fierce cypress
why?
glacial halo
well ofc its possible
its just the calculating that the tricky part hence the help i required
glacial halo
but why would you want to do it lol
im making videos on stupid satisfactory challenges
pushing the game to the edge essentially
in many diff ways
im making other videos on beating the game with 1 of each production type machine only
chrome citrus
bro the drills at the start litteraly output so much that only 1/4 of iron gets instantly smelted
glacial halo
bro the drills at the start litteraly output so much that only 1/4 of iron gets ...
wdym
brittle thunder
bro the drills at the start litteraly output so much that only 1/4 of iron gets ...
use more smelters!
chrome citrus
use more smelters!
ok
brittle thunder
bro the drills at the start litteraly output so much that only 1/4 of iron gets ...
generally, especially on the early lines you have a miner, several smelters, loads of constructors, then back to a few assemblers
try and match input requirements with output requirements
fierce cypress
@glacial halo well it would just be this absolute mess, rinsed and repeated a bunch more times
chrome citrus
generally, especially on the early lines you have a miner, several smelters, loa...
before you unlock those
glacial halo
<@939524408807141406> well it would just be this absolute mess, rinsed and repea...
yea see i did that and kept adding those before it stopped working
this is allthe work i had on it but my calculator decided to tell me that reversing the calculations back wont lineup
this might also help for an example
chrome citrus
math go augghh
glacial halo
math go augghh
legit
ok so i gotta diff result this time...not sure if the recurring numbers should be concerning
chrome citrus
ok so i gotta diff result this time...not sure if the recurring numbers should b...
legit 3 arterys burst reading that number
glacial halo
ok so i gotta diff result this time...not sure if the recurring numbers should b...
oh and fyi 52860 is max limestone that can be extracted
chrome citrus
oh and fyi 52860 is max limestone that can be extracted
my internal organs have ruptured
glacial halo
i found a solution
thx @fierce cypress for the help
appreciate you taking the time to trying to help
sharp niche
Is there any reason to use Uranium in Plutonium Fuel Rod recycling? Ie. What are the actual downsides to using the Silica alt recipe compared to the Uranium recipe?
assuming I want to sink the plutonium fuel rods afterwards anyway (not gonna use them to power up nuclear reactors)
I mean the obvious benefit is that you can use even more uranium ore for uranium rods...
deft lichen
Consider the waste to NFU ratio
sharp niche
I'd say that's even in favour of using the silica recipe, no? Asssuming the goal is to sink it anyway (and the goal is not to maximise the points)
it should consume way less energy
deft lichen
Yeah well the alt gives you less NFU so you spend less resources processing it into Pu rods
Hold up, the codex is showing it wrong
sharp niche
I'm on expertimental but afaik recipes didn't change between U5 and U6?
deft lichen
The recipe with uranium is an alt, the silica one is the default
sharp niche
oh right, I see
deft lichen
The uranium one "saves on waste" so you can produce more Pu rods
It makes sense jf you want more power but it leads to more Pu waste
sharp niche
yes; so if the goal is to just get rid of the uranium waste - it makes more sense to use the silica recipe
vapid gorge
It makes sense jf you want more power but it leads to more Pu waste
@sharp niche I'm pretty sure You also get more power maximizing Uranium Rods with uranium and reduced plutonium rods compared to making more plutonium rods and fewer Ur rods
vapid nest
Honestly, I have a feeling that my packagers are eating my empty canisters
I have a container in the loop to feed the packagers and I've already put in more than 500 canisters and it still needs more
brittle thunder
I must do a count at some point, my packager recipe diluted fuel setup is still running, but I'll check the numbers, lol
vapid nest
It just ate 400 more
must be starving
Ok I think I need at least a few thousand in the system.
Just to make every packager full. It doesn't matter if it backs up since it's in a continuous loop with containers in between
oblique hollow
dont forget every packager gulps up 100 canisters and then a whole bunch more go around between machines and belts
still trout
yes; so if the goal is to just get rid of the uranium waste - it makes more sens...
if you'll sink the rods, use default recipe (silica). if you'll use them for power, use uranium for plut rods.
proven valve
if you'll sink the rods, use default recipe (silica). if you'll use them for pow...
Doesn’t using them for power create plutonium waste
Which you can’t get rid of
mystic moon
Yup
But you create far less plutonium waste than you would uranium waste
For the same amount of power.
tropic hawk
Doesn’t using them for power create plutonium waste
What he is saying is that if you are using plutonium rods to dispose of uranium waste, use the default recipe.
If you are using them for power, use the fertile uranium recipe
proven valve
What he is saying is that if you are using plutonium rods to dispose of uranium ...
yea
proven valve
For the same amount of power.
its actually double the power
mystic moon
Yes
What I mean is that a nuclear plant at 100% using plutonium creates far less waste per minute than one using uranium
proven valve
which is worth it if you dont have a massive nuclear setup running for thousands of hours
mystic moon
Yeah
hidden scarab
Plutonium is very worth it. You’d have to age 10 years irl before plutonium waste actually became an issue with storing it.
low yoke
how many combinations are there with 12 different numbers to put them in a certain order (we dont know it) with 3 spaces in it => 3, 8, 16
oblique hollow
1320 or so
depends on if we always but them in a certain order or not precisely. so always ascending or descending
vapid nest
I absolutely HATE fluids
They work at first but at some point something bugs and everything breaks down.
oblique hollow
what point
where. what exactly
the most common problems are either shitty pump placement due to bad guessing or pipes not connecting properly
oblique hollow
I absolutely HATE fluids
aluminum is my guess here
because everybody always starts crying at aluminum
vapid nest
....plastic
vapid nest
yea
oblique hollow
well thats what you get for picking the mega complex plastic recipe xd
vapid nest
Computers take a lot of plastic so...
oblique hollow
well? start describing the issue
vapid nest
But I'm super confused
Wait I send a screenshot
10 water extractors Pumping a total 1200 water up (although I only need 1000) The middle and bottom pipe in the 3 pipe stack are not filled properly. I saw that the water extractors only pump a quarter of their maximum
vapid nest
No, there is one behind the 2nd water extractor and up the building there are a total of 4 more
vapid nest
But it worked before?
oblique hollow
so?
vapid nest
I'll try it
oblique hollow
you complain it doesnt work anymore
wait are all these extractors connected?
with the horizontal pipe
oblique hollow
right, info on that then: you only need one pump
on any of the lower pipes
thats enough to move all of them up at once
like here
vapid nest
I thought horizontal pumps don't make sense?
oblique hollow
they still work
you dont need pumps if you move your pipes horizontal only
nobody every said they wont do their job when mounted horizontally somewhere
oblique hollow
then dont balance
vapid nest
What does it mean when my flow rate is changing between 300 and 0
Ok this is so weird, it works again... Thanks @oblique hollow
oblique hollow
What does it mean when my flow rate is changing between 300 and 0
its not settled
flow rate almost never stops going up and down
but 0 to 300 is a bit extreme
vapid nest
It works now. Time to continue what I was doing 3 hours ago. Right. Place down 20 assemblers and 30 constructors.
vapid nest
Starts looking good
Is there a general rule for manifolds? Like main line being Mk4, does every branch need to be a tier lower or can it be what the machine needs?
slim cosmos
Is there a general rule for manifolds? Like main line being Mk4, does every bra...
i mean you can do it all with your fastest belts if you want or have the belts that feed the machines like a mk1 if that is enough to feed the machine
proven prawn
Is there a general rule for manifolds? Like main line being Mk4, does every bra...
Basically as long as the mainfold belt with all of the splitters can supply the full capacity that each machine needs, you can mix and match belts, but as a general rule I always use the same highest tier belt that I can down, for me mk5 belts are pretty cheap in my gameplay so I mostly just use them
So long as you pay attention to total manifold consumption and use the right tier belt for the main line, you can use lower tiered belts for the off splits however you like
vapid nest
Alright, thanks
chrome citrus
found a bug where you cant interact with anything
was trying to make my wire factory more efficent but then my iron factory wasnt powered so i tried interacting with biomass burner and it couldnt work so i tried interacting with anything else and it didnt work
fierce cypress
found a bug where you cant interact with anything
save and load, or sometimes jumping in water fixes it
(to get the swimming animation)
chrome citrus
ok
plus how many smelters and constructors do i need every mine for max efficency?
fierce cypress
you need more info
find the i/m you are getting out of it
then work it out using the i/m of the smelter recipe
then again with constructors
vapid gorge
was trying to make my wire factory more efficent but then my iron factory wasnt ...
Did you alt tab out?
cloud swan
which would be the best one?
vapid gorge
Depends entirely on location and how much if the resources are available and the amount of power you want 🙂
Though heavy tf is often considered a poor trade off
cloud swan
well, considering my current oil I'm using for fuel is 1800/m
and if I were to use the last one, I'd only need to transport sulfur to the fuel power plant
vapid gorge
You could just do hor recipe to diluted fuel and get tons of power
cloud swan
You could just do hor recipe to diluted fuel and get tons of power
I got dilluted fuel already
vapid gorge
and if I were to use the last one, I'd only need to transport sulfur to the fuel...
True, you do get far far less power per oil with the last one if that’s a concern
vapid gorge
I got dilluted fuel already
I mainly like the last one because in the centre of the map there’s a spot with oil and sulfur so I don’t have to import anything
cloud swan
Only water thats a bit of a hassle to transport vertically
My storage room is by that node
vapid gorge
Well it’s also on a lake there so easy peasy
cloud swan
so to sum it up, which recipe has the best oil to power ratio?
fierce cypress
so to sum it up, which recipe has the best oil to power ratio?
its the turbo blend fuel im pretty sure, the blender one (bottom)
cloud swan
is that considering dilluted fuel too?
vapid gorge
is that considering dilluted fuel too?
Best oil to power is regular recipe.
Uses a good chunk of coal and sulfur
cloud swan
this is the best one I got from that center node
vapid gorge
Oil- hor- diluted fuel- regular tf
vapid gorge
this is the best one I got from that center node
Yeah with that recipe you need to import 300 sulfur.
What I do there is make 1200tf and just burn the rest of the diluted fuel
cloud swan
oh nvm
fierce cypress
yea it is that mb @cloud swan
fierce cypress
Jesus christ is that all the oil in the map or something?
yes
fierce ruin
That explains a lot
cloud swan
yea it is that mb <@204472332067012609>
how are you calculating power?
rapid iris
Wow, thats a lot
fierce ruin
My brain was trying to process thinking that was your powerplant for some reason
fierce cypress
how are you calculating power?
beta version, you need to go via the SFT disc to get access
cloud swan
oh okay
fierce ruin
You would have to be some kind of physcopath (or lgio) to place 3000 fuel generators
fierce cypress
or use mods
fierce ruin
That involves figuring out how the mods work
rapid iris
That involves figuring out how the mods work
Not really
I used a mod to assist in me placing 150 fuel gens
as long as you have space then its easy
fierce ruin
Idk why but it takes me ages to learn how mods work, like far longer than learning how the entire vanilla game works (not just satisfactory)
fierce cypress
i prefer playing without mods anyway
cloud swan
im not even sure how I'll be able to get 2400 sulfur and coal per min
fierce cypress
im not even sure how I'll be able to get 2400 sulfur and coal per min
where are you building?, coal should be alr
rapid iris
Hey, if i have time ill help you place like 1000 gens if you need
fierce ruin
I screwed around with a couple nods on my main world, was really boring so just went back to vanilla and redisigned my entire factory
cloud swan
where are you building?, coal should be alr
center
fierce cypress
Hey, if i have time ill help you place like 1000 gens if you need
nah, im not gonna go that large scale
rapid iris
haha ok lol
cloud swan
where are you building?, coal should be alr
from these nodes
fierce cypress
center
well theres lots of coal in the red forest and some sulphur to the north
sorry didnt see that ss
yea sulphur might be a pain
fierce ruin
Lets say it takes maybe 2.5 mins to place 1 generator, including piping and power poles, for 3000 generators that would be 7500 minutes, 125 hours or just over 5 days straight of playing
cloud swan
well, might as well go for blended fuel instead at least for now
fierce ruin
Ngl that does actually sound feasible....
Just wondering, how big of an area would that probably cover?
cloud swan
I believe each is 2.5 foundations on every direction so 4 of them covers 25 foundations
not including the pipes
fierce ruin
Each generator is 6.25 foundations squared, round up to maybe 8 to account for piping? 8*3000 is therefore 24000 foundations squared
fierce cypress
Just wondering, how big of an area would that probably cover?
this is 888, from zula's world
its a sizeable area
fierce ruin
That man got batteries to last the rest of his playthrough if his power goes out holy moly
cloud swan
Each generator is 6.25 foundations squared, round up to maybe 8 to account for p...
no rounding, 4 generators take 25 foundations in area each foundations is 8x8 so that makes 1600 square meters per 4 generators
fierce ruin
Each generator is 6.25 foundations squared, round up to maybe 8 to account for p...
Or 155 foundations long and 155 foundations wide
cloud swan
so 1.200.000 square meters of generators+room for pipes
fierce ruin
Divide by 64 for no. Foundations I think
Yup that seems right (about 19k foundations)
Although pipes would take up a metric banana of space
About 70k - 100k bananas lengh and width (depending if accounting for pipes)
ionic galleon
That man got batteries to last the rest of his playthrough if his power goes out...
Jeez, and I thought I was doing well with my little 10,000 MWh storage farm...
fierce ruin
Im aiming for a 75,000 mwh storage but I need to actually stock up the materials first
gray flower
Which is better for iron wire lkike the math 600 per minute then do it by 22.5 per minute or 300 per minute by 22.5 per minute for iron wire
gray flower
this is 888, from zula's world
How many do u have there and how much
I plan on having over 100k MWH of batterys
one giant floor
fierce cypress
How many do u have there and how much
888 fuel gens
fierce cypress
It’s not my setup, but I think (?) it’s tf
ionic galleon
one giant floor
400m x 160m would do it, and yeah fair that's not exactly small.
Because I built mine as a 10x10f (80x80m) platform up on a rock pillar, I'm seriously considering going 10x10x10 and making myself a 100k MWh storage cube...
frail finch
has any1 made a power chart showing fuel vs turbofuel, including power overhead from the production factories?
wintry aurora
Not a power chart, but the fuel generator page does show how much is generated for each fuel type it takes.
gray flower
the math of having iron wire its going to be yay
frail finch
but still nothing that also includes the power overhead to create it factored in
trying to decide if i should leave it as coal + fuel gens with lower power overhead, or if i should convert to a turbofuel factory... coal gens + fuel gens (low overhead) va turbofuel (higher overhead)
ionic galleon
trying to decide if i should leave it as coal + fuel gens with lower power overh...
Given the effort it'll take to redo, is there any problem with your current non-tf setup?
frail finch
its ugly and im going to redo it anyways, so im planing for the redo, but cant decide which to use
ionic galleon
Ah, fair. Honestly I think it comes down to an aesthetic/philosophical choice rather than there being a single correct answer. Personally I wouldn't bother with tf, but that's just me.
frail finch
turbofuel will give me more total power, but i dont know if its worth the complexity if i dont know what the extra power overhead to produce it is going to cost
ionic galleon
Are you actually going to need more power than non-tf can give you, before you move on to nuclear anyway?
I'm running a non-tf setup, and haven't even bothered to build more than one floor of generators yet.
frail finch
im going on a non nuclear run so...
vapid gorge
from these nodes
Ahh ok I was talking about the nodes to the east of there near the Sulfur for the tf
gray flower
If i do all the iron and copper and caterium for ingots with refinerys and concrete with referinrys
i think i will ALL need much water
vapid gorge
im going on a non nuclear run so...
Have a roughy idea what you want your goal to be in a planner and see how much power you’ll need 🙂
cloud swan
i think i will ALL need much water
Not as much as you think
ionic galleon
im going on a non nuclear run so...
Ah right, fair enough then. The other thing I'll suggest is, make sure you have a ton of power storage. That makes a huge difference to how much power generation you actually need.
gray flower
how much water do i need for ALL concrete and copper and iron and caterium ingots and everything right per minute
how many water excrators and raw quartz
gray flower
Fyi its in a other langueage
zinc eagle
i know
im sorry for that just look at the numbers
also the 1st pic i put there the english version too
im sorry if i was against the rules
gray flower
is this all the water if i do the DD in reinferys etc @zinc eagle
zinc eagle
well
i counted how much plutonium fuel i can produce from the waste of 6 atomic gen whats using uranium rod
and how much atomic generator i can run from that amount of plutonium fuel
topaz hedge
Nuclear is fun.
zinc eagle
and how much MW they will produce and how much water and water succ they will need for that
sand epoch
I just use tools :/ lol
topaz hedge
To each their own.
zinc eagle
well tools are cool just my broswer doesnt remember history
topaz hedge
If mistakes are made unless you do something major overclocking/underclocking will fix
You could get around that by using the share button and saving the code it makes in notepad or whatever
sand epoch
well tools are cool just my broswer doesnt remember history
Must be talking a diff tool site, greeny's stores the history on the server
topaz hedge
Does it? I thought it was stored locally in your cookies.
zinc eagle
0.0000
sand epoch
Per him, yes
gray flower
nuclear is fun
topaz hedge
But how does it know who's who... opening the tools in a different browser or incognito gives me a blank site.
zinc eagle
i dont like if my broswer rembers cookies or passwords
gray flower
i plan to do nuclear and sink the ploutium cells but i don't feel like doing nuclear atm
nuclear does a ton of work to set up
and baby sitting and resouce and making
but its fun to do
topaz hedge
I don't mind the passwords as much as websites that ask if I want to accept their cookies
gray flower
wolfgrim
topaz hedge
Plutonium is the interesting production line. Uranium rods are pretty straight forward.
gray flower
should i do ALL CONCRETE ALL COPPER AND IRON AND CATERIUM INGOTS in refeinrys
bronze silo
