off-topic-tech

[twin dew]

Either Linux or BSD based.

Because the point is to try to have the owner never have to leave the web-config side.

[night girder]

I have a feeling I am going to struggle with setting everything up. But that's part of the learning curve I guess 😄

[winged valley]

What

The RTX server GPU's exist to provide compute not to play games

If you really want to play games on them properly, you need to use GPU-P with virtualization

[languid gulch]

for us normies, sure

[dire igloo]

Quadro cards can still game perfectly fine, just not as well as GeForce cards

There's a big difference between inability and inefficiency

[winged valley]

Quadro has been retired

But despite that my point still stands. They are compute cards, not gaming cards. They are good for rendering and other hardware acceleration. They are not good for realtime rasterization for gaming

You can do things to make them work like that, but they aren't going to be as efficient as the gaming cards for gaming

[twin dew]

GB100 has 24 ROPs, GB202 has 192.
You really don't want to use GB100 for anything that gets rasterized in ROPs.

Also no DirectX support it seems, only OpenCL and CUDA.

Going back to Ampere, GA100 still had 192 ROPs, still no DirectX, OpenGL or Vulkan support.

[tribal kraken]

Satisfactory was playable on my laptop with Quadro M4000M

But not nice at very densely built area

[twin dew]

Yeah, that was just about the insane price AI accelerator chips.
That they just cannot be used for gaming, as the HW doesn't support it.

The lower tiers use the same chips as consumer cards.

Just with the Studio drivers, which are made to be correct.
While Game Ready drivers are made to be fast, fuck correctness as long as it somewhat works.

[tribal kraken]

Hmm I have Steam installed on this PC, I could install 3D mark too and try Time Spy

Actually usefull to compare it to the 4060, as the new PC should arrive maybe next week

The GPU on this desktop

[twin dew]

So same chip as in 2070 Super, 2080 and 2080 Super.

But using even more cut version than 2070 Super.

With lower clocks.

[tribal kraken]

Yeah, big assemblies with few thousand parts are wayyyy more smoother to rotate in 3D view in SolidWorks with RTX4090 at home.

[twin dew]

Downclocked RTX 2070 using bigger die.

Yeah, just little slower clocks than 2070.
Otherwise same amount of functional units, just using harvested TU104 instead of full TU106.

[night girder]

thinkcentre was boxed in bubblewrap.

a bit dusty on the inside.

Wanted to check CPU, but I am a bit hesistant with the cooler.

There are these 3 screws, but when you unscrew them.

They start to make a clicking sound (you can't unscrew them anymore) but they are still connected somehow.

(not my unit btw, just screenshot from la internet)

[twin dew]

You need to remove that fan first.

https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/thinkcentre_pdf/m920q_ughmm_en.pdf

Which has plastic quick disconnect on bottom right.

And the actual heat sink needs to be then pulled towards image bottom before lifting.

[night girder]

Maybe I should boot it up first to make sure it works. Just incase of a dispute, then they can't blame me for opening it all up 🤣

[tribal kraken]

Looks like my GPU might be dusty as well, boosted to 1625MHz for like 20 secs from the starts and at the end of 2nd graphics test of TimeSpy it was down to 1200MHz and 90°C GPU temp

Oh yeah it's bad 🫣

But I have solution

[dire igloo]

Just make sure to fix the fan blades in place

[pallid oak]

Setup jumpscare

[night girder]

Are there (servers) racks, for small factor devices that are adjustable.

[pallid oak]

Oh yeah there is

[night girder]

In the sense, what if one has a few small devices (tiny PC, switch, NAS etc). Is there a way to store them and have some cable maangement?

Ah, something like this.

[pallid oak]

https://youtu.be/y1GCIwLm3is look how cute he is

(The rack)

But this thickness is a pretty new standard, hope you have some 3D printers if you go that route

Else there is indeed small racks, like 6U that can be wall mounted, pretty cool too

[charred relic]

I'm ok with a small rack personally

[pallid oak]

Yeah small racks are plenty enough for most ppls, im just that type of guy who do stupid stuff

[charred relic]

yeah i've known guys that just HAD to get ahoild of a huge rack

[tribal kraken]

3dmark.com/compare/spy/54064105/spy/54062608# Before and after dusting

[dire igloo]

Interesting, all the improvement came from the GPU, CPU is basically identical

[twin dew]

Both runs are today on same computer, just cleaned cooler.

[tribal kraken]

Score is about the same as my i7-4790K / GTX 1080 Ti from 2017

[dire igloo]

I know - I would've expected it to be more uniform

[twin dew]

Thermal throttling is a bitch.

[dire igloo]

but CPU performance is basically the exact same

While the GPU dropped its shackles

[tribal kraken]

The CPU haetsink was clean compared to other parts

[night girder]

Baldur, going to order some ethernet cables.

Cheap ones should be fine?

Or is it worth to spend some extra money on "quality ones".

Wait, I give screenshot of "cheap" vs "quality" (How I perceive em).

[twin dew]

If filling the spec, shouldn't be any difference.

The only real difference is how the locking clip is protected or not.

[night girder]

woven vs plastic etc.

[twin dew]

Still same material as the actual insulation.
Just extra looks material on top.

[night girder]

isn't woven* tiny more durable?

[twin dew]

The cheap one has better conductors.

[night girder]

www.allekabels.nl/netwerk/cat6_kabel.html

there are so many cables to pick from 🤷‍♂️ (and that's only cat6)

[twin dew]

So the "more expensive" has put the money into looks, the cheap one into functionality.

Of those two.

[night girder]

fixed core, non fixed core...

PUR, PE, FRNC, all options in the filters.

[twin dew]

You want stranded for patch cables.
single conductor is for wall installations.

The insulation mainly matters for weather, or smoke production in case of fire.

[twin dew]

So first doesn't matter for indoor use.

[night girder]

Let me check what stranded translates to for me language.

[twin dew]

That right one.

[winged valley]

tp link switch

[twin dew]

And left is single conductor "solid".

[night girder]

so solid vs flexible gotcha.

Why is flexible better for patch?

[twin dew]

Solid will break much faster from handling.

Cannot take repeated bends.

[night girder]

Holy shit, some of these cables have what the site calls: fast tracing.

You shine light on one end of the cable, and the other end lights up. So you can track them in the office etc.

[twin dew]

So just optical fiber added.

[dire igloo]

Avoid flat cables and AWG >26

[dire igloo]

iirc cat 6a spec requires awg22, doubt anyone's got that

AWG 27 is yikes

[night girder]

Should be flexible core, 6a.

[dire igloo]

26 is already stretching it

[twin dew]

That /7 in the AWG 27/7 means 7 strands, totalling AWG 27 size, where smaller number is thicker conductor.

[winged valley]

omg if I ever get to run patch for a new building I am doing this

Or in general adding cables to our server room

[night girder]

Ah I didn't notice that.

Just looked for flexible core that is 6a

and I read awg is some american measurement

so I kidna ignored it 🤷‍♂️

Does it matter anyhow for what I am doing?

[twin dew]

Conductor size, american equivalent of mm^2 cross-section numbers.

Where smaller number is thicker conductor.

Important for POE, somewhat important for 10+G speeds.

Where that AWG27 is common patch cord conductor size, but anything higher number from that isn't usable.
And AWG23 or 24 is common installation cable size, but you can get patch cords with these thicker conductors.

But mainly the question is: Do you trust the store to only sell cables that actually fulfill the spec they say they do.

If not needing good POE support.

[night girder]

No, I don't trust the store.

It's like a big warehouse that sells* all sorts of cables. Not a specialist.

[twin dew]

Your install doesn't have regulatory requirements to only use LSZH (Low Smoke, Zero Halogen) cables for fire safety, so all insulators are ok.
And after that it comes just into that spec and physical charasteristics like the protection of the lock clip.

[night girder]

I'll look for better store.

[twin dew]

Yeah, but depending on such operation if they sell absolute anything from China, or reputable stuff that will actually fulfill the spec it says it does.
Even when that latter can be very cheap and from China.

[night girder]

Some barely have any info on them.

Others have more. But I don't know where they are made.

The second on says Certified with rapport.

[twin dew]

That 2-3e is completely reasonable price for spec filling 0.25m Cat6 cable.

Without extras.

[dire igloo]

AWG is American Wire Gauge, but it's still internationally used nomenclature

[twin dew]

But then a faker can take bigger profit at same price by not filling the spec and using cheaper cablestock.

[dire igloo]

I'd set the limit at AWG 26 for basic home Ethernet

go-to rec in a different tech server that I'm in are the monoprice cat6a cables

Nothing amazing, but it's actually decent and you know what you get

[twin dew]

Monoprice is US operation.

[dire igloo]

Still available in Europe tho

I just never bothered with price comparisons

I'm using old cables from work that we replaced

[twin dew]

We have ceased our EU-based operations but continue to serve you across the pond.
https://www.monoprice.com/pages/MP_EU

[night girder]

different store (also local)

sorted on low -> high price.

[twin dew]

Some stuff on Amazon.de and Amazon.co.uk, but at highish prices.

[night girder]

"Made in China" for the Skarkoon

and no clue about AWG. (website doesn't share that information).

[twin dew]

Basically all of them will be made in China.

[dire igloo]

made in China means jack shit nowadays

[dire igloo]

If there's no info on cable thickness, just avoid it

If it's not mentioned, assume worst case

[night girder]

Yeah, even the most expensive one I can find.

[twin dew]

It doesn't matter where it is made, only if there was proper QC done by the company getting that manufacturing done at contract plant or their own.

To prevent manufacturing line shenanigans.

[night girder]

109 for cable? Made in China... you joking.

it better give me more RAM.

[twin dew]

But for example one of the Finlands biggest internet electronics retailers has Goobay, DeltaCo and their own brands for sale for network cables.

[night girder]

Oh I know where I can search. Let me check tweakers.

never heard of Goobay. (sounds weird)

[twin dew]

Chinese cable brand AFAIK.

No, pages for UK, Germany and Australia.

German company.

[night girder]

After applying filters:
2.326 uitvoeringen - Pagina 1 van 59

[dire igloo]

it's Ubiquiti

[twin dew]

But probably not that many options for those 90 degree turned connectors.
Still way too expensive for the length.

But for professional install might be worth it.

In some special cases.

[night girder]

I don't want 90 degree at all 😒

[twin dew]

Yeah, but as partial explanation for the high price, as it is very specialty product from enterprise solution provider.

[night girder]

10 centimeters rofl.

This seems something ...

awg 26, 4 euro, cat 6a, 0.5meters

and shielded

Specsheet.

[wanton orchid]

goodbay cable are good here though
it's basic standard but no bullshit either

way better than a lot of other shit here imo

[pure karma]

cables are always a pain

especially display cables

too many variations by too many brands and its dam near impossible to find the same cable ever again if you ever want another one of the same type

[twin dew]

That is US & Canada problem 😜

[pure karma]

are there regulations or something elsewhere? or are there just less brands and options in general

[twin dew]

Because you have done insane race to bottom where only the cheapest fake crap gets sold.

And almost every other place than Amazon is dead too.

[pure karma]

every time i need a DP cable its an entire adventure

no stores localy store them anymore because its "old-ewaste" most online results are adapters unless you go on amazon and thats because amazon is just 500 options with most being crap knockoffs or just garbage

and there arent really any people testing cables in the mainstream

[charred relic]

Aaand it's time to call my electrician buddy... overloading one of the circuits to this room :/

[pure karma]

lets have a moment of sillence for my laptop having to cope with me insisting on playing satisfactory with no cooling because i dont want to disturb anyone with a jet engine

how its holding 70C is beyond me

this is like every colective thing and optimisation i have learned over the last 4 years combining together to make this happen

12fps with framegen and dlss on isent great but dammit its enough and actually playable and in pure silence too

[tough owl]

15w cpu is wild

[pure karma]

its either 100C at 115W or 70C at 15W for only a 50% performance lost not to mention going from max fan speed to idle fan speed

and plus its ram bottlenecked on everything so you never really notice the effects of the lower clocks 🤷‍♂️

i feel old caring about efficiency but really all i care about is still having my hearing in 4 years

[night girder]

You know what keeps tripping me up? TDP.

35 watts TDP, doesn't mean it will consume 35 watts?

[pure karma]

its 35W once settled but it boosts higher

[night girder]

Only means it output heat that 35 watts would give normally?

[twin dew]

Depends on age.
Today no, and it is just number for OEM machine heatsink sizing.

[pure karma]

like my 10700F a 65W cpu draws 200W for a decent while to keep clocks higher

[night girder]

Because I know the TDP is 35 (that's on intel specs). But I want to know power consumption 😦

[pure karma]

my 13700K dosent because idk i guess it literally cant turbo

i have nerver seen it do it if it actually has

[twin dew]

Max depends on the BIOS/UEFI config or code.
The max boost power and max boost time variables.

So the PL1 power limit by default is 35W on that CPU.

[night girder]

and it can go above it for short durations?

PL2?

[twin dew]

Yes.
And that PL2 can be over 100W.
And in some cases MB can set that PL2 turbo time to infinite.

[pure karma]

YEP 🔥

[twin dew]

Don't know what they are for that specific CPU by default.

[night girder]

is that healthy?

[pure karma]

by a lot sometimes

[twin dew]

Or what Lenovo might have set them.

[night girder]

I have something to measure powerconsumption of connected devices if I want too 😄

[pure karma]

however the more aggresive generally the shorter the duration

like mine maybe lasts 5 seconds

[night girder]

whatever you do MagicZ, don't listen to baldur.

Don't try to set PL2 to infinite on MB

[pure karma]

its a locked chip

[twin dew]

Point was that many Intel MB have done it by default for long time.

[pure karma]

🤷‍♂️

[night girder]

Good, because I can see it happen next week: "My laptop fried and I don't know what happened" 🤣

[pure karma]

been abusing the power plans to control Voltage and shit lmao

[night girder]

Is that healthy for CPU? I don't think so.

What if somethign is wrong in system (processes hanging etc, or in loop, ...) and it keeps boosting for no reason?

[twin dew]

Just makes the CPU boost to thermal limit.

Or to voltage and frequency limits.

[pure karma]

it goes for the set time or until a limiter is hit

[night girder]

Ah, that makes sense. Infinite time. But still limited by max temperature ofc.

[twin dew]

Two power limits, higher power turbo time limit, current limit, temperature limit, voltage limit, frequency limit.
Just removing the first two does nothing to the others.
But some 13th and 14th gen MBs were also removing that current limit.

And setting both PL1 and PL2 to 1000+W by default.

[night girder]

I've seen my Macbook sometimes getting "locked" by a process with high CPU usage.

Imagine having nothing to throttle CPU and it keeps ramping up

or people creating infinite loops or other stupid shit in code ...

[mental oriole]

167Amps...

[night girder]

Lately I've been pondering of taking a electronics course or something.

[mental oriole]

The wattage number must be based on the psu or something.
Because assuming 220V or sth, and the power supply unit is at 208W.
You'd get about 1A.

[night girder]

wait what?

Watts = Amps * Volt?

[pure karma]

asking myself the same thing

[mental oriole]

No

[mental oriole]

Watts / Volt = Amps

[night girder]

Then wtf is that about?

They all wrong?

I keep forgetting, so I am googling a bit 🤣

[mental oriole]

Read "About 1A"

208W / 220V -> 0.94A

[pure karma]

what does it matter what amps its pulling

cpu go fast = cpu happy

[night girder]

I am only asking, because lately, I have to work a lot with electronics stuff.

[mental oriole]

Big thick cable allows for higher amperage.
cpu pins => tiny af => they be melting (if 167Amps)

[night girder]

And I want to train my brain to remember what is what.

[pure karma]

ahh then ig my 13700K is molten magma then

[night girder]

Stuff like that.

[pure karma]

and my 10700F is the center of the sun

[glossy glacier]

Thats why there are multiple power pins

[night girder]

and most of the sound engineers I meet lately, all have strong background in electronics.

[mental oriole]

A cpu rated at 65W pulling 208W is gonna melt.
Those numbers are not showing true numbers.

[twin dew]

Design vs. actual.
Same die is used in 35W CPUs and 250W CPUs from Intel.

Where the "Spec" for those 250W ones is actually much lower.

[mental oriole]

I'm happy to be proven wrong, but 1.28V and pulling 208W does not sound like correct numbers.

[glossy glacier]

Thats just Intel boosting 🙃

[mental oriole]

Sure there are multiple power pins, but we'd have to be at a lot of power pins then... :))

[twin dew]

For that 8th gen:
Spec is that MB must be able to deliver 193A for 127W TDP CPUs, 104A for 35W CPUs.

[willow pike]

a high amperage requires a thicker gauge cable to prevent the cables resistance from heating it up; a high voltage requires beefier circuitry at either end of the cable and more protection from arcing

[night girder]

162.5A

[mental oriole]

Alright. Thanks

I'm probably wrong then :)))

[verbal raft]

#PEAK so called PATH so called TRACING

[twin dew]

For 13th and 14gh gen, Intel recommendation was to set certain "current" limiter to 400A as max.

Not actually measuring current.

[night girder]

very thick cable?

[glossy glacier]

Intel™️

[willow pike]

for like 5 or 10 seconds or something. though motherboards would just ignore this limit and go maximum constantly

[twin dew]

For 12th gen, 150W TDP CPUs are specced to use up to 280A of current.
125W TDP CPUs are specced to use up to 240A current.

(the requirements to MB VRMs).

[mental oriole]

Is that from the cyberbug dlc?
Because I don't recognize that place.
(or is that the "endgame" tower?

[twin dew]

13th and 14th gen document was moved behind login-wall in last fall.

[verbal raft]

first 2 minutes of the game

[night girder]

I recognized the game by the yellow circle with exclamation mark in it

[mental oriole]

Ahh, makes sense I don't remember it 🤣

[night girder]

and then I saw "Araska" 🤣

[verbal raft]

maan
you really do need DLSS/AA to play this game
both XeSS and FSR 3.1 look like garbage : (

[mental oriole]

mmm.

[verbal raft]

at 1080p anyway

[night girder]

I think it didn't look that bad.

Had to tweak it ofc.

[twin dew]

And so for 12th gen Intel desktop CPUs:
For 150W TDP CPUs, the default PL2 is 241W.
For 125W TDP CPUs, the default PL2 is 241W.
For 65W TDP CPUs, the default PL2 is 202W.
For 35W TDP CPUs, the default PL2 is 106W.

[mental oriole]

Gonna get the dlc and rerun once I get my new pc up and running...
I got hit by 💩 thermals in my new case so I just ended up getting a new different one that can fit an AIO (first time doing that)... and it also got room for airflow .

[night girder]

Niiice. Besides thermal issues.

[twin dew]

But for that i5-8500T, PL1 should be 35W and PL2 44W by default, with 1 second Tau by default in hardware, and recommendation for MB maker to set it to 28 seconds.

[night girder]

Yeah, wasn't worried about it. Just curious 😊

[mental oriole]

Thermals are on me for doing shitty (quick) research.

[willow pike]

don't forget the 550W PL4

[night girder]

Not sure what type of build you making. But was the case the issue? Or not good enough fans?

[mental oriole]

Case too small to put any decent sized fans into it. I could only slap 2 60mm ones next to an intake.
The new one I can put like 2 120/ and 3 140mm all over the place (and still fit an noctua 360 AIO for the CPU)

[willow pike]

latest intel CEO is a venture capitalist with a history of running companies into the ground and the press just says he's "well versed in semiconductors"

[mental oriole]

Also was an sff build, still doing it, but the case is marginally larger and also fits things a bit better in regards to airflow.

[night girder]

Did you select first case on the looks? 😛

[willow pike]

NR200 my beloved

[mental oriole]

mainly, but the new one also looks good (lian li A3)

[night girder]

Lian Li gang!

[twin dew]

Probably running companies into ground by design, while maximizing short term returns and debt in the bankrupcy when it finally dies after all money has been pumped out.

[night girder]

More and more people have Lian Li in here.

[twin dew]

Pretty normal venture capitalist way to do stuff.

[willow pike]

yeag

you and i know this but that's not what the media says

so the stock went up

[mental oriole]

Would have bought it first if I found it before the other case... But I fanboyed back to fractal so It's on me 🤣
I do not recommend the Ridge (altho it looks nice. Airflow in it is 💩 like no tomorrow. I might keep the case and turn it into a small little NAS .)

[willow pike]

he was already on the intel board and left dissatisfied that they weren't making deep enough cuts. he's gonna take a fucking hatchet to it

[twin dew]

Buy something, pay for it by borrowing done by the bought company.
Do sale-and-leasebacks for anything the company owns at outrageous terms to another company you own to get all the money out.
Let it stagger until death, pumping as much money out as you can.
Then let it die under the lease and interest payments.

[willow pike]

plus The Current Administration is reneging on CHiPS act

intel is over

[mental oriole]

And I don't really have a budget cap so spending the extra on another case is not the end of me.

[night girder]

you can try to return fractal case. Or sell it on 2nd hand market. Or keep it as spare.

[mental oriole]

Like I said, probably gonna turn it into a NAS 🙂
It works fine it it does not do any work, or has a weaker cpu with less power draw.

[night girder]

You can always try to provide extra airflow 🤣

[mental oriole]

I already did 🤣

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/cody-ko-crazy-woo-haha-holding-a-drill-gif-25609385

[mental oriole]

Modding is always an option :))

I'll get some pics when I get the new case sometime next week 🙂

[night girder]

when I have my project done. I am going to install opnsense on M920Q.

[mental oriole]

Nice, and good luck 😄

[night girder]

Yeah but once I got that running. I might look into some sort of tiny server racks for it and my switch 😄

[mental oriole]

Fun fact.
I ran my messagebus to try bench my thermals, but my message bus was so optimized even with 100% cpu thermals never spiked.
They spiked more when I swapped to discord 🤣

[night girder]

It feels like I am at 0.01% on completing the home network I have in my mind.

[mental oriole]

I know that feeling.

[night girder]

Haha, Electron

[mental oriole]

It's like at work.
We're like 95% done, but the last 5% feels like an eternity.
The same kind of applies when starting a project 😄

[night girder]

I got my whole project up and running in Electron. Started to refactor to svelte + tauri. In the meantime I am learning a bit of rust for the back-end.

[mental oriole]

Not a fan of rust syntax, but cool either way 🙂

[night girder]

For a application to run locally, so not a web application, Electron isn't the way to go.

Atleast, that's my experience and opinion.

[night girder]

Rust syntax?

[soft bloom]

was there already discussion about ThreatInteractive recent video?

[mental oriole]

Not a fan on how it looks when coding it, but I'd take it any day over java
It's also probably me being stuck in c++land.
pub fn
let const? idk. I hate let

just u32 variable = value

I would have preferred that.

But can't change that now 🙂

[twin dew]

Guy yells at clouds how he is the only one in the world who can code, news at 11.

[night girder]

I don't know, so far I worked in java, javascript, typescript, python, ... then all the frameworks like angular, spring, electron, and for web I know html and css, sass (scss). And despite all that, Rust was a bit of a leap for me.

I haven't coded that much in Rust atm. So hard to judge atm. Mostly is front-end, which is typescript, html and scss atm.

but to get access to operating system, I had to dig into back-end and learn rust. Else I wouldn't be learning it 🤣

[mental oriole]

Fair game!
I also tried a bit of rust hacking, for a local AI backend I did not really click with how it worked, but tbh I never really gave it a true shot.
I should probably try do something more of an actual project in rust before sticking with my "it's bad" opinion.

Not having anything against rust, but my first impressions have been so-so, so I'm avoiding it for now 🙂

[night girder]

I am not sure, my first judgement was also; "wtf is this?"

the match entry {} within a function is pretty weeird to me.

[mental oriole]

Where return?

[night girder]

you don't need to give return.

last line is always return value if there is ->

So Ok(paths) is returned.

[mental oriole]

What if I want it to not return?

[night girder]

Because it says -> Result<Vec<String>, String>

then remove 👆

[mental oriole]

hmm

[night girder]

which makes sense, why give a return statement, if you can see by function it returns something.

[mental oriole]

What if I want an early return?

like
if(cond) early out

I assume you can still do that?

[night girder]

function a(): string { return "" } - the "return" is useless, since you know :string is the return type, so you know function returns something.

you can still do return for values if you want.

[mental oriole]

I do prefer explicit to show intent.

[night girder]

it's just not needed and I believe some opinions on the internet discourage typing out return if it's not needed.

[mental oriole]

It's like
(void)printf(args)
in C.

Showing I know it returns a value, but I'm not interetsted in the return value here.

[soft bloom]

I think the point he makes is more that nobody thinks to do it the way he says it can be done
and the drama around celebrities (DF)

[night girder]

I mean, I don't know. the return keyword at the end of a method is pretty useless. There is some logic to it. But I also agree with you about making code explicit.

[mental oriole]

Fair argument 🙂

[night girder]

also for the "map_err(...)?" function, the question mark states that something could return there (a error). Then it breaks out returns the error.

[karmic knot]

.

[night girder]

after reading more about it, it seems more complex than that

[mental oriole]

Not surprised

[night girder]

fn do_the_thing(i: i32) -> Result<i32, Error> { let i = match halves_if_even(i) { Ok(i) => i, Err(e) => return Err(e), }; }

does the same as

fn do_the_thing(i: i32) -> Result<i32, Error> { let i = halves_if_even(i)?; }

source: stackoverflow.com/questions/42917566/what-is-this-question-mark-operator-about

[sharp oasis]

Behold 6900XT OCF on crack

[pure karma]

but the ultimate question is.... does it work?

[sharp oasis]

Yes

[pure karma]

why did you do this anyway? just didn't come with a cooler or what?

[sharp oasis]

It has its cooler

I just removed It

So I could make it run cooler

And faster.

[pure karma]

[sharp oasis]

48c at 410w is nuts

[pure karma]

this sounds a lot like when i was tempted to just strap the 2 nzxt stock fans i have sitting on my shelf to the bottom of my laptop so it can actually run at full clocks

but obviously there arent any fan headers in sight so it wouldent work

i doubt there is just magically a fan header to usb-c adapter

[pure karma]

best i can do, it still reached 100C with 6 120mm fans pushing air directly onto the heatsink... nothing can redeem this disgrace of a cooling system

did manage to go from 3000 to 11000 on the cpu score tho lmao

altho it was kinda fun seeing how far i could push it

[wanton orchid]

you can have a fuck load of stuff being string in your function, and you could return void, this is uselessly implicit

[quiet lintel]

Setting up a wrestling show

[charred relic]

https://tenor.com/view/ric-flair-wooo-shout-howl-wrestler-gif-17890318

I know a lot about pyrotechnics. And by a lot I could muddle my way through enough of what's going on to turn myself Vader crispy...

[sharp oasis]

I didn't have small enough ties

[maiden coyote]

I've got turbo cooling for mine

If you wanted to, you could do somewhat of the same thing, design a custom shroud and 3d print it

[charred relic]

I need something similarish to make a fume hood

however i do not have a 3d printer so I'll just fabricate something 🙂

[maiden coyote]

You could probably get by smaller fans. Maybe 92mm rather than 120's if you cared about looks

[maiden coyote]

Shopvac with a hose sucking the fumes, and another hose going outside lol

[charred relic]

I don't really need to completely remove it just move it away from my mouth and nose and dissipate it

it's solder fumes...not good to breathe up close

a 3d printer would be super handy though since i'll be using quite a few 125B style project boxes... wouldn't even need to drill holes if I were printing them

Could also do stuff that'd be hard to do otherwise like the round "disk" shape of the old Fuzzface guitar pedals...

[languid gulch]

my dad said it'll put hair on your chest

[charred relic]

Too old for that one

lol

[sharp oasis]

I'm planning on it

[sharp oasis]

Tbh I may stick with the 120mm's for just maximum overall flow rate. Even if it makes the card longer

[charred relic]

I added the entire Buffy series to the Jellyfin server.... because why not

[sharp oasis]

If I do go with smaller might as well just use the stock shroud

And if anything

I wanna fabricate it from metal.

[dire igloo]

Where's the pyro?

[dire igloo]

Have you ever made fireworks experiences along the lines of "holy fucking shit, please never let this happen ever again"?

I've had that twice at least

[night girder]

niiice 😎

[night girder]

Bro, this synology log "center" sucks.

It should be the place to find logs. But then you have seperate logs in other services like cloud etc. Which you cannot find in the log center.

So you gotta open all applications you use and check logs manual one by one. No unified place in log center 🤦‍♂️

I think it's about time I start crack this synology a bit to get shit done.

Log Center offers an "easy" solution for gathering and displaying log messages from network devices.

[visual tree]

We are going to completely ban pyrotechnics here this year and only allow people to buy harmless pyrotechnics like party poppers and cake fountains + rockets (which aren't exactly "harmless"

Too many children lost their finger or hand using military-grade firecrackers

Not sure if this was an actual firecracker or an improvised version.... (most likely improvised) https://youtube.com/shorts/QTEWqyoPkPo?si=Z8Jvx-8HhrULx-Nu

And no, this video was not edited btw

[dire igloo]

Germany only allows pyrotechnics to be sold if they passed strict government quality control - and only very few types of fireworks are permitted to be sold/burnt year round, most are limited to new year's eve

"ohne BAM kein Bumm"

[visual tree]

I am shocked that the government here allowed the sale of firecrackers which can seriously hurt you, not to mention parents buying kids these

[dire igloo]

BAM is short for "Bundesanstalt für Materialforschung und -prüfung", the government institution that tests and certifies fireworks for sale.
Every piece of firework being sold legally in Germany has to have a BAM number on it

[dire igloo]

Firecrackers are legal in Germany too, but they're 18+ and can only be purchased in the three days before new year - four days if one of them is a sunday

And it's only legal to burn them on new year's eve

[visual tree]

Same here although animal right activists might ask government to completely ban virtually all pyrotechnics. They already managed to ban most of them

Wouldn't be surprised if they ban professional firework displays too

[dire igloo]

eh, doubtful

I just wish that drone shows would become more popular

tho imo, private fireworks should be banned. both for public safety and environmental protection

[visual tree]

Yeah, we still allow people here to buy rockets for fireworks

It's funny how the government thinks firecrackers are dangerous and should be banned while rockets shouldn't. Rockets can be even more dangerous if you don't know what you are doing

There are a lot of crazy kid around my house and I'm thankful not a single rocket was accidentally fired on my house

Especially when there is wind and things could easily go wrong

[dire igloo]

rockets have the same regulations as firecrackers here

and for all of them, there are limits

[visual tree]

We heavily regulated firecrackers while letting rockets mostly unregulated

[dire igloo]

class 1 fireworks can be sold all year round to people age 12 and up
class 2 fireworks can only be sold leading up to new year and are 18+
class 3 and up need a special pyrotechnics license

[visual tree]

I have to admit, I love the rocket battery boxes though

You have to follow safety guidelines though or you might endanger yourself and everyone around

[dire igloo]

oh, yeah, another thing: every piece of firework sold in germany has to come with instructions on the box

most importantly safety instructions

[visual tree]

Like, put the battery box far away from buildings and once you are done with the fireworks, soak it in water and then throw it away next day

[dire igloo]

I've had two of those tip over and fire sideways.
one from uneven ground and lots of wind, the other from recoil and me forgetting to fold out its stabilizing feet

[dire igloo]

yeah, fireworks cleanup safety is smth I wish people were more educated about

[visual tree]

Luckily, mine was larger and heavier so it was hard for the wind to tip it over

But the small battery boxes can easily tip like you mentioned

[dire igloo]

I've seen the family dog react to fireworks and I gotta be honest, it was absolutely heartbreaking

ever since I saw him cowering in the most distant corner of the house, whimpering and shivering, I have refused to buy and light fireworks with a loud bang

[visual tree]

That's usually the reason we have banned most firecrackers here

[dire igloo]

for wildlife, it's even worse

[visual tree]

Ever heard of carbide barrel shooting? People here in rurar areas do that all the time

https://youtu.be/Bczn_1S8SYo?si=eVsqNuxOPWoY4tw0

[tribal kraken]

Dont really need explosive propellant for that. Camp fire and sealed barrel with some water will do. When the lid bending lock gives out, is t0 😄

Abandoned quarry was the place for that. The camp fire kinda spreads out too on the launch 😄

[visual tree]

Hope nobody got trapped by a falling barrel

[mental oriole]

halp I'm stuck

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/donkey-kong-arcade-game-super-mario-barrel-toss-dodge-attack-throwing-gif-14881364048123815715

[pure karma]

Great graphics driver Nvidiot

Very cool👍

Did that for no joke 5 minutes straight just cycling displays

i literally had time to WALK up and down the stairs to get my phone

Oh great its doing it again

how tf did satisfactory survive lmao

its the white window on the left

[verbal raft]

fix : get AMD next time

[pure karma]

yea but they got a lot of very enticing OC headroom 🤔

[verbal raft]

who/what is "they" in this case ?

[pure karma]

AMD

so basically if i do go amd im gonna blow it up

[verbal raft]

blame yourself

[pure karma]

il start with AM6 maybe

cpu killing speedrun sounds enticing

its the only pc part i havent had a failure with

[verbal raft]

the only PC parts i havent had failures with are : GPU,CPU,case

[pure karma]

i took storage off the list today and my case feet gave out under the weight sooooooo

i think thats everything

[night girder]

HMR is cool and all, but nto when it starts to duplicate my files and also all the code

Everytime HMR kicks in, it creates another +page.svelte instead of replacing. Normal behavior would be one "drop" started event from only 1 +page.svelte page.

[sharp oasis]

@pure karma so I added more zip ties

[mental oriole]

[pure karma]

honestly at a glace you could pass this off as a real card

[sharp oasis]

With some time I'm designing a proper shroud for it

So I can make it a real card

Ish

[pure karma]

still better than my cable management so thats a pass from me

[sharp oasis]

I tryed to keep it coherent lmao

Making the shroud is gonna be tough

As I wanna make it semi ducted

So there's very minimal heatsink that's getting wasted

Or not actually receiving full airflow

But that's gonna add a lot of thickness and bulk

And I'd need to test it and see how it holds up as I want there to be as minimal restriction in airflow as possible

Wile keeping somewhat pleasing to the eye

[night girder]

Anyone seen good (netflix) shows lately?

[mental oriole]

Does your gpu have extra PWM connect headers?
My 3090 oc has so I can technically connect case fans directly to the GPU.

From the looks of your screenshot it does look like it, but hard to see 🙂

[visual tree]

Sometimes I spend 30 minutes on Netflix browsing for movies/shows I like but give up in the end 😭

[night girder]

I found something to watch, thanks anyway 😄

[visual tree]

Need to check again if there is something interesting this time 😄

[night girder]

Didn't have to be netflix, just something good to watch,

Giving "Dark Winds" a go atm. Has 3 seasons. Some sort of detective/thriller with native americans.

George RR martin is one of the producers.

But I doubt he actually did anything, he probably just said they could put his name on it 🤣

Or gave them some money he got from the GOTS show.

[pallid oak]

thats honestly such a good modification to do

[visual tree]

I should check Max app too. Haven't opened it in a while

[night girder]

I saw Reacher S2 the last few days. S1 was good. But S2 wasn't as strong.

Especially the cameran who shot the action scenes fucked up.

Example; you see Reacher kick was his left feet to break the knees of his opponent. But the camera always goes to a weird place, never actually showing it. And the edits are pretty bad you notice it. So instead of showing the foot hitting the knee, it would go to the arms or something totally unrelated.

It did that so many times that it annoyed me 🤣

[sharp oasis]

I do not I'll be soldering an adapter to it

[visual tree]

At least you can watch tv with popcorns and beer . My stomach is still messed up from stomach flu I had

[mental oriole]

Ahh fair 🙂 Good luck tho.

[sharp oasis]

RN I just plug it into my motherboard and let it work

[night girder]

No popcorns here tonight

[sharp oasis]

So far I'm working on making the ducting layer between the fans and the heatsink

[visual tree]

I need to buy a popcorn machine. Don't like the silicone bowl for use in microwave

[night girder]

you mean a microwave?

[sharp oasis]

And part of me wants to get a custom PCB for fan power delivery just for the sake of looks and cleanliness

[mental oriole]

To be fair most brands do not add the extra pwm:s Asus is one of the few that actually does.

[night girder]

Hell, think you can even use airfryer for popcorn.

Maybe even a hairdryer.

[visual tree]

Need something like this

[mental oriole]

I'd say pass for now and maybe do it later when you've gotten the other stuff done.

[night girder]

I prefer my ways of making popcorn 🤣 (and no need to buy machine).

[mental oriole]

My way is no popcorn.

[visual tree]

😭

Still haven't found a way to make that buttery flavor like in cinemas

Tried using a pan but doesn't work tbh

[night girder]

our cinema popcorn doesn't taste very buttery

[sharp oasis]

That's the latest stage RN I need to figure out how to model the shroud. And I suck at cad. I'm only half okay with blender

[night girder]

they add a lot of sugar though

[visual tree]

Once, I bought caramel popcorn. It tastes like shit lol

[night girder]

I like moonpop

[visual tree]

Hope it's tasty. Not a big fan of bagged popcorn tbh

[night girder]

Haven't tried any of their other flavors. But so far, they have been subtle.

It's pretty balanced for my taste buds.

[visual tree]

I like microwave popcorn but afraid of buying them because they cause cancer

I think they banned packages that contained cancerous chemicals but I am not sure...

[sharp oasis]

I'm trying my best with tynkercad

3d modeling is hard.

[visual tree]

Used it for making models for my 3D printer

It's a basic tool though

[sharp oasis]

Yeah I need basic

I'm not very good at it yet.

[willow pike]

autodesk fusion is free for personal use

[feral drift]

As Djatlov said in the Chernobyl series..

Not great, Not terrible..

Tinkercad is okay for folks who don't have solid understanding of 3D works, and can get your basic stuff made for the 3D Printer also

[sharp oasis]

I'm trying my best. I don't have a from grasp on modeling at all teally

But I want to make this project as it would be hella cool

[feral drift]

Nah but I feel like Tinkercad is still somewhat understandable to work with, as its mostly "just" drag and drop the objects into the canvas..

[soft bloom]

I think I somehow blocked YT's message about AD blocker violating something, hehe

[charred relic]

@dire igloo No I start yelling like Kylo Ren "more MOOORE"

[pure karma]

yeeeeeeep

especially because all the 3D modeling software you can actually use for 3D printing sucks compared to regular modeling tools

[sharp oasis]

So I came up with a better idea. Insta if of making circular cut outs for each fan it's one big frame with pins where the fan screw holes are that just attaches to the gpus screw holes.

Simpler

[willow pike]

that's deeply sus

unless it's rt up the arse

oh that's 7800xt i read as 7900xt

I can't read

[mental oriole]

Not surprised becuase AMD numbers are all over the place I don't even know what is better at this point

[willow pike]

yeah I know what the numbers are, I have a 7900xtx

I just can't read

[night girder]

The number that starts with Nvidia is better

[mental oriole]

[night girder]

I love how hackable macOS sometimes can be. For windows, you need to spend a day to just mute update notications. Or use group policies. Or hack regedit.

On mac, you just set the dates to next year. Or to a 3000, whatever 😅

[cobalt ivy]

My home made solution lol

[night girder]

hairy ...

[cobalt ivy]

Absolutely no animal hair in my home

[charred relic]

sheds all over

[dire igloo]

not surprised cuz those random ass YT benchmark videos are hella questionable

[mental oriole]

Carpet

[pure karma]

hairy.... material?

i was gonna say wood but if thats wood its moldy

[mental oriole]

I hope it's not standing on the carpet while it's on. the static electricity will be 🙃

[cobalt ivy]

Oh it's plasti-dip. Very splotchily applied.

[verbal raft]

with RDNA 4 having pretty impressive ML IMO
would there be a way to make DLSS run on AMD cards ?

[willow pike]

it'll have some kind of DRM in it

checks for driver signatures or something

conversely FSR4 should run on nvidia once the source gets released

ada lovelace supports FP8 so it should run on geforce 4000 one day

[night girder]

Since when can we manage updates?

[night girder]

I think it went well. The chipset driver updates.

[verbal raft]

25.3.1

[night girder]

You can still download "amd_chipset_software_7.02.13.148.exe" if someone wouldn't trust it.

[pure karma]

oh dear god not this again... Twitch is being sued for 200 Nonillion Dollars

how long you wanna bet this shit lasts

its the same strategy of a infinitely multiplying fine from the google one from a little while back

[charred relic]

https://tenor.com/view/80m-increased-revenue-%26-redeploy-3-fte-gif-2319601784744478471

[west oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-gif-20369672

[willow pike]

https://tenor.com/view/completly-normal-phenomenon-chernobyl-normal-completely-gif-15280147

[verbal raft]

please dont tell me that we will have an RTX Titan Lackwell edition

[willow pike]

bet it'll be $5999

[mental oriole]

9999999

[pallid oak]

RTX Titan AI SUPER IT SUPER2

[mental oriole]

missing rops

[pallid oak]

LMAO TRUE

[verbal raft]

MSRP

[pallid oak]

you forgot the 2 12v power inputs for 2x more burning power

[verbal raft]

Missing Some ROP's Probably (AKA MSRP)

[willow pike]

GB100 only has 24 ROPs, so you'll need DLSS gigaperformance mode (240p to 4K) to not overwork them

[visual tree]

Just ditched Chrome and moved back to Firefox because of their ad-blocking shit...

Ublock origin is no longer supported while the lite version which is supported causes long youtube loading

[mental oriole]

Fifefox? I ditched it because of their privacy policy shenanigans a few weeks back...

[visual tree]

Guess I'll move to Opera if something like that happens to me....

[dire igloo]

What's the engine behind Opera?
I know that Opera GX is Chromium, but idk about Opera itself

[dire igloo]

Lemme guess, Librewolf now?

[mental oriole]

For now...

[visual tree]

I think they used Presto in the past and moved to Blink recently

There is no harm in installing it so I might as well test it atm to see how it compares to firefox

[pallid oak]

opera is litteraly the single worst browser you could choose from

edge and chrome are better than this hellhole

[pallid oak]

yeah firefox do sure love to have PR fumbles, but im so used to it, they arent evil, but stupid

[pallid oak]

uhhh yeah there is harm to install it 💀

[visual tree]

You make it sound like it's some kind of malware lol

[pallid oak]

i mean

[visual tree]

Guess I'll stay to Firefox then

[pallid oak]

doxxing your exact location without your consent is pretty malware like

[visual tree]

Oh, that's a valid point

[dire igloo]

Opera or Opera GX?

[pallid oak]

and like, entire proven goverment backdoors in some of their other products too

[pallid oak]

both

opera GX is basicly just a reskin of opera

[dire igloo]

Ain't GX Chromium based?

[pallid oak]

think so

[dire igloo]

Edge is unironically my go-to Chromium browser.
Not my daily driver (that's still Firefox) but if I need Chromium for anything, edge it is

[dire igloo]

So it literally can't be an Opera reskin unless asablic is wrong about the engine

[pallid oak]

yeah fair, i personally prefer brave for chromium, even tho their crypto shenanigans can be a turn off

[dire igloo]

It's all stuff that I need to install

Edge is built into windows already, so I can just use that if I have to

[pallid oak]

didnt ment reskin like that my bad, i ment that the general privacy intrusive things are the same on both browsers, but not the entire backend

[dire igloo]

And I can't pivot to Linux cuz I'm doing LoL broadcast work

[pallid oak]

ah rip

[visual tree]

Correction: Migration to Blink from Presto was done around 2013, not recently

[pallid oak]

@visual tree @dire igloo things you might find interesting of why i hate opera /gx that much

yeah point 2,3 and 4 are preeeetty itchy

[visual tree]

Uninstalling Opera: - 10.000 social credits

[dire igloo]

I've been aware of most of this, just not that it applied to any and all opera browsers

[pallid oak]

some technically dont, but still using their products while knowing what they're doing is pretty wild

its like trusting a known scammer with your money in their other buisness, it doesnt make sense

[visual tree]

Noted: don't fart near an air compressor while it's filling the bottles https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XyjtV1IXOhA

Thought this video was a joke but apparently it's a bad idea to fart near an air compressor

Correction: it's bad if you fart a lot near the air compressor which has a filter that hasn't been replaced in a long time

[cyan crescent]

What i hate about the 12pin connector is if its on a power supply, the power for that connector is restricted for that connector. So if you dont have an nvidia gpu, you cant use it.

[charred relic]

Modular PSU, problem solved.

[willow pike]

AMD use it

some 9070 XT models use it

[charred relic]

my cable is in the box heh

[willow pike]

i would not buy those though lmao

[willow pike]

it should be possible to go from the 16pin connector to 8 pin connectors

[charred relic]

What I hate is people so excited for new frame gen crap

hows about we have some optimized games instead

[willow pike]

frame gen can eat my ass

[cyan crescent]

Frame gen can kiss my ass

[charred relic]

so we don't need that bullshit... hows about that instead

[willow pike]

"oh AMD need 4x MFG to compete!" literal psychotic statement

[charred relic]

FFS I try to avoid frame gen if at all possible

[cyan crescent]

I dont mind ray tracing but dlss, frame gen and any other ai bullshit needs to go

[charred relic]

I want a faster card so I can get better FPS... not so I can get better fake frames.

[willow pike]

i hate how path tracing is used as a bludgeon by nvidia to sell 5090s and they need frame gen for it to work

[cyan crescent]

If they removed the tensor cores and added more cuda and rt cores, real performance would be so much better

[pallid oak]

the problem is not the actual connector, its how the power is received on the GPU afterward

[cyan crescent]

But first, the need to make it not so power hungry

[jagged snow]

That is a comically untrue statement

[cyan crescent]

Its the gpu. Wtf does a gpu need 600watts?

[charred relic]

All the baked in AI stuff leads me to think they aren't moving away from the fake frames any time soon... or ever probably

[willow pike]

4K performance DLSS with 4x MFG running at 80fps. so that's 20FPS quadrupled, from a 1080p input

[jagged snow]

A more accurate version is "They did not put appropriate mitigations for a very poorly designed connector on the card"

[pallid oak]

im speaking from the Nvidia tracing documentation, so yeah idk what you're saying

[cyan crescent]

The gpu is the problem and the connector is the piss poor excuse of a solution

I hate both

[willow pike]

8 pins don't melt

[jagged snow]

You're misquoting the facts

[cyan crescent]

Exactly

[jagged snow]

The issue isn't "Perfect connector, bad gpu"

[cyan crescent]

Isnt the 8pin rated for 300 but is restricted to 150?

[jagged snow]

It's "Bad connector, imperfect gpu that doesn't fix the connectors problems"

[cyan crescent]

Its bad gpu and connector

[willow pike]

so I've looked into this and tensor cores are a marketing sleight of hand; they're not completely separate from CUDA cores, they're extensions of the CUDA cores

[twin dew]

The pin spec is little over 350W for the better pins of that type for the 8-pin, with the derating for 8-pins in one.

[feral drift]

Coming soon.. GPU With Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum rated Pins

[pallid oak]

the connector is perfectly capable of handling 600w alone, its how the GPU afterward is connected to the power that is the problem, heres an exemple

[twin dew]

Point is that the connector is designed to the ragged edge of the parts absolute max spec.

For the new one.
Which makes it unsuitable for actual consumer use.

[jagged snow]

You're still missing the point

[cyan crescent]

You always have a safety margin incase shit goes wrong. 12pin does not

[feral drift]

Or do like EV chargers.. Water cool them damn cables.. What could possibly go wrong with that :P

[pallid oak]

basicly for 4000 and 5000 gpus, the power connector is just afterward merged between all cables, so imagine if half of the physical cables fails, then the GPU cannot know about it and still ask for the same amount of power, which the cables cannot handle and therefor burns

[twin dew]

And that kind of merge all has been done with the previous GPUs on per-connector basis for long time already.

Without major problems, because the connectors had ton of safety margin.
That the new one is missing.

[jagged snow]

That doesn't mean there are no problems with the connector
That just means the gpu doesn't have mitigations for a bad connector design
... Again
For the 3rd tkme

[pallid oak]

oh i didnt say that i liked that connector dw, just that its nvidia the main problem here

[cyan crescent]

The connector needs to die and gpu power draw needs to drop.

My 7900XTX uses 300watts at most

[willow pike]

my 7900XTX has two 8 pins

[cyan crescent]

Same

[jagged snow]

The main problem is still the connector(that nvidia designed), not the cards with insufficient load balancing and safety features for a crappy connector

[twin dew]

No, main problem is that the connector was designed wrong.
And then not doing extra stuff to do active current balancing makes it worse.

[pallid oak]

oh i never said that the connector was perfect, far from it, just look at the burning 4090 because the connector wasnt fully plugged in

[willow pike]

Nvidia decided the safety margin on the connector should be minimal, then designed GPUs with no current balancing

all to save a few cents on copper

which is the only reason I can think of for doing it

[pallid oak]

ehhh i'll be real, the connector is a singular point of failure, but basicly all the time it just works well, like the amount of burning GPU is still very low, doesnt mean that its good, but that its mostly an NVIDIA problem :/

[twin dew]

Switched to smaller pins.
And then sized the connector to ragged edge of what the pins are specced for as absolute max.
Going against any normal design principles for consumer connector.

Where all the previous power connectors had "insane" safety margins between the computer spec, and the part absolute max spec.

[willow pike]

the failure rates on these connectors are a legitimate health and safety concern

[charred relic]

I gotta say... PedalPCB's printed boards are pretty good quality

[mental oriole]

This. I wish people would take the time to optimize their shit.

(people in this case big corpos)

I improved parts of my code by 3.3% by removing inheritance today

[cobalt ivy]

BOIS

Guess who just ordered a 5070

[mental oriole]

I hope you're not expecting 4090 performance

[cobalt ivy]

Call an ambulance

[willow pike]

the worst 5000

[cobalt ivy]

The plan is to use it until something like the 9070 xt or 5080 is in stock at a good price, then give the 5070 to my sister.

[feral drift]

Does it come included a fire extinguisher? :P

[cobalt ivy]

I got one, don't worry

[feral drift]

U know your PC rig is right, when the light dims when u turn it on :)

[novel rose]

I had a monitor power supply apparently go so bad that when I brought it to a computer store it tripped two separate Earth Leakage Breaker Circuits

So either the wiring in that store was weird or it caused a massive short circuit

[night girder]

Trying to isolate a problem I have. Anyone have ideas?

My oldest monitor (10 years old) sometimes flickers (happens 2-3 a day). Not the power that cuts out I think, but it just goes black for tiny second (like a reset), the power led stays the same.

The monitor is connect like this: MONITOR => HDMI => KINGSTON HUB => USB-C => MACBOOK PRO.
Sometimes, when I move the hub, I get the same behavior. So the HDMI connection of the HUB is a bit wonky.
But when this happens, the HUB isn't moving. I am just coding or watching YT ...

So it's either:

• HUB
• HDMI cable (easy to check, should try other cable).
• Monitor
• Macbook fucking it up somehow?

[charred relic]

Just remember this...always. The green wire goes all around.

[twin dew]

Try what happens if you wiggle that USB-C connector?

[night girder]

Nothing happens when I wiggle the USB-C connecter at macbook side.

Why do I always get this flaky as hell behaviors with my hardware, that are so hard to track down because they happen "at random".

[twin dew]

Ok, so not that connection then.
That was the most fiddly connector of the bunch under most "load" so wanted to check it first.

[night girder]

The reason I ask is, I don't want to just buy another monitor, or invest in better hub, without knowing the cause 😄

Maybe I buy monitor and hub, and it turns out my macbook is dying 🤣

[feral drift]

I have an extra monitor for my work laptop, everything through USB-C

I have found out that the USB-C cable is very very fragile - And assume its breaking the wires inside, but last I bought some rather expensive USB-C cable for this monitor (Roughly $60) after having rolled the cable up 20-30 times, the monitor began again to blink, I changed the cable - and problem was solved..

Anyhow .. you have a lot of steps, which all can produce fault..

But it does sound like a broken cable

[tall plaza]

hey, i currently have an almost full 1TB ssd card and i have 1 more free slot for a SSD, should i get another 1 Tb or a 2TB?

im just wondering since mixing for example 2x8gb RAM sticks with 2x16GB RAM sticks isnt such a good idea either

[jagged snow]

Mixing capacities of storage doesn't matter in the same way, what are you storing?

[tall plaza]

just my general pc stuff

documents and yk games and all that

[jagged snow]

If you're storing games, my suggestion would be to buy something in the 2-4tb range, put all your files on there, and keep a minimal c drive

[tall plaza]

and leave out the one ssd i have rn or just put a second one with 2T in?

[jagged snow]

Honestly that depends on how it performs

[tall plaza]

aight

will try thank you 👍

[jagged snow]

What drive do you have currently?

[dire igloo]

there is only one reason to intentionally pick a smaller drive here and that reason is cost

I'd guess current prices are around $50 for 1TB and $110 for 2TB

oh, germany it is

[dire igloo]

A2000 not particularly great, but I guess it's workable for a main drive

[jagged snow]

But might be better served by a very quality gen4 or gen5 drive as boot and bulk

[tall plaza]

yeah im just trying to get more storage space for as little work as necesarry and as little money as needed yk

[dire igloo]

outside of avoiding ewaste, name one reason as to why

[tall plaza]

i can live with a slightly worse performance if i dont have to copy all data from one ssd to another new one

[tall plaza]

my current one isnt available anymore

[dire igloo]

especially gen5 has zero justification right now unless you're really hammering the drive constantly with lots of writes

[pure karma]

might be better served to throw your money in a fire in that case

[dire igloo]

you shouldn't buy it anyway

[dire igloo]

you just keep your current one and add in a second one

you just add it in there, no need to move anything

[charred relic]

I wanna add a second 4TB to this system...

[tall plaza]

nice

[jagged snow]

Easier to organize, default save locations will be easier to track down and depending on what board/platform they have there may only be one nvme slot... also game launch times are nice on gen4 compared to gen3
Wasn't arguing for it, just throwing it out there as an option

[dire igloo]

for a baseline 2TB drive, I recommend an NM620
does everything you need it to, comes in at 100€

[tall plaza]

these are some recommendations of the website just if u were wondering the prices in germany

[dire igloo]

that is ZERO reason to go for gen4 and especially not gen5
and the load times argument is debunked constantly by any TPU SSD benchmark that releases

[pure karma]

i got SN850X's but there expensive as all heck

[dire igloo]

throwing it into the discussion as an option needs to have a justification

and there just isn't one

[dire igloo]

I'm in Germany myself, checking Geizhals rn and cross-referencing SSD specsheets
of those SSDs, I'd consider maybe two and even those need prior research

[charred relic]

They had the 990 Evo Plus 4TB on sale when I got my parts so I jumped on it

[tall plaza]

yeah well as u know those recommendations are just crap most of the time

[dire igloo]

aight, my rec for 2TB is Lexar NM710 at 103€
excellent performance, great power efficiency (not that it matters) and very fair price

[tall plaza]

especially on websites like amazon and thomann or whatever where they say: other users also bought this and its the worst crap youve ever seen

[dire igloo]

recommendation for 4TB is actually the Lexar NM790 from the overview

[tall plaza]

well i dont think i need that much considering the price as well

[dire igloo]

there are a couple which are cheaper but they either come with bad durability or a quality gamble which isn't worth the savings

[tall plaza]

i see

[dire igloo]

btw, the very first message they sent in this convo mentioned "i have 1 more free slot for a SSD"

[tall plaza]

yeah im not quite sure how many i have left but def 1 more

im not that into tech and when i read my motherboard detail sheet on geizhals i was pretty confused i must admit but yeah

xD

[dire igloo]

anyways, NM620 is the baseline for 2TB, but 3€ more for NM710 is worth it
for 4TB, NM790 really is the best pick

[tall plaza]

aight aight

will defenitly consider it, thank you for your help

[dire igloo]

these are the MB specsheets that I deal with
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1NQHkDEcgDPm34Mns3C93K6SJoBnua-x9O-y_6hv8sPs/htmlview#

[tall plaza]

much appreciated

[dire igloo]

yw, happy to have helped

btw, this is where I look up SSD specs
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/htmlview#gid=0

that or the TechPowerUp database

and if neither of the two have the specs, it starts a wild hunt for advertised performance/specs and eliminating components based on their attributes

[tall plaza]

holy sht seems like you know what you are doing

will defenitly copy paste those links in my self notes on whatsapp for future use haha

[cyan crescent]

Is there an adapter that turns a 12pin connector at the psu into a couple 8pin connectors?

[wanton orchid]

storage is completely independent unless you use things like raid (storage array aggregation logic hardware and software) which you likely don't
the only issue you can run in is limited compatibility when multiple storage are plugged in because the motherboard does not always have straightforward layout
double check your motherboard + cpu support this ssd port

[languid gulch]

this case is surprisingly light once there's nothing in it

setting up for a triple pc transplant mixaround, and step 1 was gutting my old pc

[languid gulch]

also this is the first time i've completely gutted that tower down to the frame since i got it

it needed the deep clean 🤣

[pure karma]

there is no 12 pin connector?

there is 4,6,8,16,24

[willow pike]

the 16 pin used to be 12 pin when it was nvidia exclusive, before it grew the extra 4 sense pins, so it's still called 12 pin sometimes

[twin dew]

Officially now 12V-2x6, with the revisions, 12VHPWR before that.

[wanton orchid]

ah yes people complained about 12hpwr so they changed it to 12v-2x6 and now no one complains about it

[twin dew]

Name change was part of the revision that changed the sense pins to be shorter and power pins be longer.
In attempt to mitigate that partially inserted connector issue.

So that the sense pins would only mate once power pins were fully connected.

Another giant fuckup on why that wasn't done in the original version already...
And as they kept backwards compatibility, that isn't still assured, just more likely to happen.

[willow pike]

still doesn't address how the spec has pretty much no room for error on power draw, and gpus don't sense if some pins have bad contact

if it had one of those fixed, it would probably be okay

with both you end up with no room for error and nothing to save you when you error

[twin dew]

Lipstig on a pig, by just changing tolerances.

[pure karma]

so what now it has even less power pins so it can catch on fire better 👏

il keep my 2x8 thank you

[twin dew]

No?
Same amount, 6x 12V, 6x ground, and then 4 sense pins, two which are used for max power detection on GPU end, and two in theory would allow GPU to send information to PSU, but no-one uses those.

[willow pike]

should sense the fucking power on each 12v pin

[twin dew]

But that is GPU or PSU level thing, not connector thing.

That should in theory be done on ATX, EPS and PCIe connectors too, as they too have multiple lines of same voltage just bunched together.

[willow pike]

it's so obscenely hard to get a new standard added to PCs and this is the first new one we get in years

[twin dew]

Ignoring ATX 12VO?

[willow pike]

yes lmao

p much no adoption

outside of OEMs that use non standard cables anyway

[twin dew]

Not even OEMs use it.
It was attempt to standardize what OEMs have been doing, but everyone has just continued to do their own thing.

[willow pike]

when nvidia forced the standard through, they were able to cause they had an intel-level dominance of graphics cards

now uh. less so

i doubt board partners are happy about the return rate

and now for the first time in years there's a competitor good enough to get people to switch

[wanton orchid]

it should at least keep 5v on psu main

I don't get the 12vo thing

it's again marketing bullshit corrupted
always "it's better because it's simpler to think about for investor" logic

nothing is actually simple nor should be at all

[twin dew]

5V is almost completely unused today.

That is the least used rail after -12V.

[wanton orchid]

I mean dropping 3.3 ? ok
dropping most 5v lines ? ok
making it only 12v no

[twin dew]

And even 3.3V is not used lot.

Point is that today almost everything uses 12V already and downregulates on the device.
Even HDDs etc.

[wanton orchid]

usb ? ssds ?
hdd controllers ?

if it's device regulated is mostly for stability reasons

because most people got the bad habits of buying cheapest psu in town

and these psu will never work to spec

[twin dew]

Not really.
Regulating to whatever you actually need from highest voltage available is today very cheap, and not lot of chips use even 3.3V anymore, but lower voltages.

So you just take 12V and get it to exactly the right voltage your PCB needs, instead of middle steps like 5V or 3.3V.

[willow pike]

it's more efficient

[wanton orchid]

then I would prefer 24v
go all the way in

[willow pike]

also a much smaller connector rather than the yuge 24 pin thing

[twin dew]

Why 24V, just go to 48V straight, which is the "max" it can go easily with current regulation.

[willow pike]

power drills do that

problem is that's a hard break with no backwards compatibility

[twin dew]

Yup.

[wanton orchid]

I agree for 48v was just thinking safety designs may not all be ready for 48v

24v is still pretty much template

[twin dew]

48V is the "max" that is safe and allowed as such in regulations.
That was the point.

50V DC limit in parts of world, 75V DC limit in others.

IIRC EU is 50V AC, 75V DC max that consumers are allowed to handle.

Same reason why all light-hybrids use 48V, and why car industry has talked about switching to 48V for ages.

[wanton orchid]

I meant safety circuit wise
not user wise

[willow pike]

even usb power delivery can go up to 48V

[twin dew]

12V was used because that was what cheap components could do.
Today 48+V is trivial.

For both PCBs, components, connectors etc.

[wanton orchid]

like not risking too high spikes for capacitors

[twin dew]

63V and 100V capacitors are standard?

10V, 16V, 35V, 50V, 63V, 100V, 160V and so on.

12V designs use 16V caps, 48V designs would almost certainly use 63V ones.

[wanton orchid]

ok

then I'm for 48-50 (target-hard)

I even wrote draft for up to 50v baseline for a pc equipment network circuit

So I agree on paper
I was simply worrying most design would not work straight to 48v (phases etc)

I know too few about industry electronics

all I know is 12v is too low rn

and imo always have been

it was only useful for dirt cheap and simple components

like those dumb 6 cells batteries

nobody use that anymore

like in 50s

[twin dew]

Lot of silicon FETs seem to be good only to 30-40V.
GaN FETs are good to 100-600V.

IGBTs seem to be from 300 to 1200V mostly for the high power ones.

[wanton orchid]

the thing I hate the most is the power fighting drifting
like all 5v Chinese boards fails if provider under 5.1 actually

I see that a lot of motherboard are unstable if provided less than 12.05 or something
it's like negative margin

reliable circuit ? cheap psu
reliable psu ? cheap circuit

like no wonder it's lottery and then you get cheap psu + cheap circuit bad

the only way I know to prevent that from happening is by gating requirements with failsafe

making something break at 12.0 but everything of importance still work

designing psu that provide stable 12.2 but regularly fall below

or have circuit testing procedures at 11.9

adding an "boost mode (unrecommended)"

[twin dew]

Chinese seem to like doing rectifiers with cheap standalone 0.6V diodes.
So you get 1.2V of voltage drop from that, so input 5V DC, and the actual circuit gets just 3.8V.
Even when rectifier isn't needed.

And also "spec" the whole device input to whatever is the highest spec voltage for a chip on the PCB, forgetting that kind of drops.

[night girder]

Why is AI so bad at generating regex jezus...

[wanton orchid]

because it requires accuracy

[twin dew]

And some understanding of the syntax.
Otherwise any regex will look like any other regex.

[night girder]

My query was: 10-20-2025 GMT +1 (European Standard Time). Give me two groups "10-20-2025 GMT +1 " and "(European Standard Time)" and it failed over and over again. For like straight minutes.

[wanton orchid]

why not making it yourself

[night girder]

Solution was ^(.*?)\((.*?)\)$ well it gave me far more complex shit. But I just assumed this was something AI would be able to do.

[wanton orchid]

dont you mixed the parenthesis ?

[twin dew]

Especially when you just need to get anything before ( and everything after, with ( added/included in the second...
If all are actually in that format and no extra (:s.

[wanton orchid]

or it uses reverse escape

like sed is often confusing me, . is . but ( is \(

[night girder]

Well, a lot of languages when you do string.split("(") they remove the "(" in the groups.

[twin dew]

And you can just add that back in?

[night girder]

So then I get 10-20-2025 GMT + 1 in one group and European Standard Time) in second group.

[night girder]

Oh yeah with index + or - shit. Fun, and very verbose.

Or I just match a regex and be done with it.

[twin dew]

And point was that you can do the same with regex too?

[wanton orchid]

you said you wanted with parenthesis, that's all

[night girder]

I've been over it. I know how to split and get my ( back.

Point is, I don't want to spend more lines code for that.

[wanton orchid]

what

[night girder]

I just want two groups straight out of the box sso I can do array[0] and array[1] and get what I need.

I don't mind if the () are gone.

I just don't want string) or (string ... either no () or both ().

[wanton orchid]

the point was (\(.*\)) instead of \((.*)\)

if you want parenthesis in or not

[wanton orchid]

also the second ? is not needed

if you need performance you can do [^(]* in first group

dropping the ? too

it will avoid backtracking

tbh regex can be learned as you need it, unless you are doing complicated logic

better spend 5min to read regex doc finding building blocks, than spending 5min trying to get an AI output which you dont really know it will work all the time or not

the key for regex is nesting and recursion

if you can work with that, you can work with regex, even if you dont have the whole regex vocabulary

(especially since the vocabulary change depending on regex engines)

[night girder]

cba with regex atm when I am focusing on front and backend stuff.

I have 3 regex expressions in my codebasee atm. I kinda know what they do but I wouldn't be able to come up with them myself.

Or if I have to figure it out myself, I would spend too much time on it. Rather focus on the important stuff.

It's just a means to an end

[feral drift]

Regex is something devils devil invented..

[tough owl]

regexr.com/

[night girder]

Yeah, use that to test strings. The tests is pretty cool.

But I don't know if regex, SQL and some other languages are getting outdated. It sure feels like that.

Because this doesn't feel modern. 🤣

[mental oriole]

Don't mention capture groups

[charred relic]

Gonna build me one of those bad boys soon.

Guitar effects/amplifier prototyping board

Ground, +4.5v reference, +5v, +9v, -9v and even a charge pump to hi 18v for those extra grindy drive circuits.

six pin blocks to pop in up to six potentiometers...

Really only lacks baked in stereo ability but I won't be doing much outside of mono anyhows.

[pure karma]

this is a form of art i have begun calling "locking in to create bullshit"

[languid gulch]

i did discover that the 4090, when doing nothing, is only drawing 7-20W

[charred relic]

I sure love having the entire Three Stooges collection...

Makes great background content when I'm playing Civ or SF

[languid gulch]

i have a 10hr WWI documentary i'll play in the background if i'm bored while doing stuff

[charred relic]

I should put a bunch of stuff like that on my jellyfin server

i used to watch stuff like that on the side before the history channel because the what the fuck is shit shit channel

The Science Channel was taken off my cable package many years ago and when it returned it had gone to crap too :/

[languid gulch]

yea same

also lost the nasa channel

[dire igloo]

https://youtu.be/5vbk0TwkokM

It's quite elegant actually, just super inefficient

[charred relic]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-lightsaber-obiwankenobi-obi-gif-19677892

[willow pike]

https://twitter.com/9550pro/status/1901932243842687454

HXL (@9550pro) on X

"The Zen3 and Zen4 L3 ring fabric topology is replaced by a mesh topology which reduces latency and increases bandwidth." (Zen5)

Source: @rSkip

X · Mar 18, 2025, 9:42 AM

intriguing

when intel went mesh, latency went in the toilet

always assumed that meant mesh bad

should have realised it meant intel bad

[wanton orchid]

there are multiple ways of doing mesh

Intel mesh was more like multi ring

[willow pike]

they had a multi ring then they had a real mesh

[twin dew]

And that real mesh is only on the biggest server CPUs, not the consumer ones which are still just single ring.

Even that multi-ring was only on server CPU dies.

[willow pike]

even the 10 core xeon had shit latency compared to 8 core ring bus

remember when they tried to sell it in gaming systems

jee zus

[twin dew]

Not gaming but HEDT, for those XEs.
Threadripper segment.

[willow pike]

they were aimed at gamers, I remember it

[twin dew]

Someone in marketing having "bright" idea.

If that was the case.

[willow pike]

they had a motherboard you could use a regular 8 core skylake in a HEDT system, losing memory channels and PCIe connectivity; the high core options were sold as an upgrade path

[twin dew]

They were older gen in actuality (modified Skylake, so more corresponding to 7th gen Kaby Lake than 9th gen consumer chips), with significantly lower max frequencies.

Cascade Lake I mean.

They even used same MBs and chipsets as Kaby Lake-X and Skylake-X

But seems even Broadwell server CPUs had same level of core-to-core latency (40-50ns).
So might be optimization decision from Intel for the server CPU dies.

[wanton orchid]

meanwhile hopping from 7820x to 9800x just to be safe (and have more lanes)