off-topic-tech

[willow pike]

not the huge server chips anyway

[dire igloo]

tbf, 3050 has reason to exist and be bought - but only for the fact that it's the best slot powered GPU on the market

[glossy glacier]

The new GTX 1050?

[dire igloo]

"new" (released Q4 2016)
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1050.c2875

[languid gulch]

as in "the new best gpu that doesn't need aux power"

[verbal raft]

3050 has no point of existing
Cuz the 6600 is a thing

[twin dew]

Which needs PCIe plug for extra power?

[verbal raft]

Doesn't the 3050 too ?

[twin dew]

No, that was the point.

Ok, seems it does.

Ah, the 6GB variant doesn't.

8GB one does.

Nvidia again selling two completely different GPUs with same name.

Where that 6GB one is 70W, slot powered, with 2304 cores and 96-bit memory bus.
And 8GB one is 130W, with 2560 cores and 128-bit memory bus.

And huge differences in frequencies.

[verbal raft]

Ahh yeah

8gig actually has higher power usage than thee 6600

By 30W

[verbal raft]

IIRC the 780M is actually faster than the 3050 6gig

Could just be the fact that the 780M can have way more "VRAM"

[night girder]

new headset cushions replacement went smooth af

so smooth, that I though I did something wrong.

[charred relic]

Well you did do it wrong doofus

you didn't hold your mouth right...

They only lock into place if you hold your mouth just right

[tribal kraken]

Thats something I should do also. Cushions around ears are ok but the band over my head is disintegrated. Nothing foam and electric tape wouldn't fix

[charred relic]

I'm glad mine are in good shape... But I'd imagine Philips sells replacements for them

[night girder]

Yeah, cushions both fells off 🤣 For a month, I was able to tape on one cushion. But last week the second one fell off too.

[charred relic]

steering wheel wrap

Seen that used to wrap around a band that had the fabric getting rough

[night girder]

This is the mechanic, but the problem is, that the edge eventually comes off the cushion.

[charred relic]

Yeah but... they don't tell you how to hold your mouth :/

[night girder]

So it's really cool to just "screw on the cushion". But once the plastic comes off the cushion, your screwed.

[charred relic]

Ah mine are cloth

[night girder]

Do a lot of headsets do this?

[tribal kraken]

Its similar on Bayerndynamic

[charred relic]

I've seen that yes

[night girder]

Cool. Wonder if it was a steelseries thing.

[charred relic]

If you mean the cusion not wanting to stay on the plastic bit

and just getting to where it falls off basically

[night girder]

oh, cushion stays on perfect

the system of screwing on the cushion is neat.

Just fails eventually. The border comes lose.

[charred relic]

I have those... Very comfy 😄

Sound great too

Since I bought monitors I don't use them as much

[night girder]

They look nice

[tribal kraken]

Looks like the oem headband is reasonably priced. Have to see how much shipping is

[native mortar]

Excited to try it out.

[night girder]

but also expensive

[verbal raft]

how much did it cost ?

did you have to sell both of your livers ?

[native mortar]

About $1460 USD.

[verbal raft]

what did you have before ?

[native mortar]

A 3080 Founder's Edition. Selling that this month hopefully to recoup a few hundred dollars.

[verbal raft]

how much would a 4080 been ?

[native mortar]

They don't sell them in stores anymore. I imagine finding a 4080 online would be the same price or more than I paid for my new 5080.

[verbal raft]

ahh

[night girder]

how much did they cost?

[verbal raft]

well
i didnt end up jumping out of a window today yet

[charred relic]

80

thinking about trying some Sennheiser HD 280's though

[night girder]

headphone or headset?

[charred relic]

headphones, no use for a microphone or anyhting else... just regular stereo headphones

[night girder]

aww

[charred relic]

I have way better mics both here and easily available next door heh

...I also get stuff at 1/2 off MSRP from Guitar Center...

So I can go buy something like a Shure SM7B and it's not even that unreasonable heh

[willow pike]

https://tenor.com/view/snake-anger-mgsv-gif-12596324

[charred relic]

I prefer detachable cables too but if not and a wire comes loose I'll pop it open and fix it if I like the cans

[willow pike]

it's so over

this is why we can't have nice things

[native mortar]

In so many other countries the price is way higher than that.

[night girder]

I saw the Beyerdynamic MMX 330 Pro

[native mortar]

The cheap 5080s in Europe or Israel are like $1950.

[willow pike]

you severely overpaid for a mid product that wouldn't be a good value at MSRP. you will have to worry about melting power connectors, missing ROPs and driver issues, and you still paid hundreds extra for it

everyone that does this funds jensen's leather jacket addiction and worsens pricing for everyone else

you are part of the problem

[charred relic]

Yeah for me that mic would get bent up and never touched again lol

[native mortar]

The Founder's Edition, some of them, a small number anyways, had ROP issues and the 5090 Founder's Edition, a small number, had power connector issues.

I didn't buy a 5090 nor a founder's edition.

[willow pike]

do not be litigating me on this shit lmao

[charred relic]

i can swing a Sennheiser e835 in front of my face with one finger right now heh

[night girder]

I need the mic 😄 Play a lot of games that use voice a lot.

[twin dew]

ROPs can be missing from any board partners card.

[willow pike]

you are going to be mocked by everyone who actually knows about hardware if you try to defend it as a good purchase

[charred relic]

I'm probably a lot more accustomed to using a mic on a stand or boom than you too

[native mortar]

I've nothing to worry about, I'm far too old and experienced with hardware to care what some kids think about how I spend my money.

[night girder]

For gaming?

[charred relic]

Those are great if that's what somebody is looking for

[willow pike]

i'm 39

[native mortar]

So am I.

[charred relic]

yes, i use them for gaming... and VC

[willow pike]

i am bitter as hell

[night girder]

Eh, I could do that. But it sounds annoying to have mic + boom in front of me. Also small room.

[charred relic]

Yo u just think you 're bitter now

just relax whipper snappers....

[willow pike]

that is fair

[night girder]

I am not bitter.

[charred relic]

By 50 you'll understand the meaning of let the hate flow through you :/

[night girder]

Problem is, is a headset worth 300 euro 😒

[willow pike]

yeah probably

[charred relic]

Some are...yes

[night girder]

Yeah, I know it's subjective.

[charred relic]

Just like some mics are worth 400+

Actually with mics 400ish is really a great sweet spot heh

But you can go over a grand easily... like a Neumann TLM103

[night girder]

Rick Beato was using amic this week, and it was so beautiful. Then I realized he probably paid 1000 bucks for it 🤣

[charred relic]

Those are around 1200ish i believe heh

[night girder]

One mic to pick up the whole room.

[charred relic]

Well here's the trick

[night girder]

let me grab a screenshot.

I think this mic picks up everything.

And super, duper clear.

[charred relic]

if you want to pick up more sound, more distant sound... a condenser works best

or you can use a shotgun but very directional

[night girder]

uhu, I know. But also, the more you pay the better the mic 😄

[verbal raft]

bad purchase.
but
Ive seen people waste more money on worse things
like someone buying a 4070 Super Duper TIE for 1230€

[charred relic]

But headphones are the same thing, some are worth more than 300

easily...

[night girder]

I wonder if Rick will answer if I ask them what mic they used.

I just notice a 2nd mic magically appears when recording songs (not interviewing).

[charred relic]

Somebody will ID it

Well I know what his vocal is... never seen the other one though

Looks like it'd be directional, kinda looks like some kind of drum mic

Which... it might be you never know...

[night girder]

Still, my SM57 can't do that

[night girder]

but... a drum mic that picks up Rick voice too?

[charred relic]

your 57 is a dynamic

that might not be...

do you know what the 57 stands for heh

[night girder]

I mean, unless Rick has a wireless mic under his jacket. Which is possible.

but it sounded all so clear to come from one microphone.

[charred relic]

really it looks like that smaller mic is set up for the guitar

[night girder]

I did notice, that you can even hear the clothes move/brush. So maybe they have hidden microphones.

[tribal kraken]

My MMX 300 gen2. Also have diy track IR LEDs on them. Headband already in a bad shape, but its the original from 2019

[night girder]

Yeah, I though so too.

[charred relic]

something is picking it up

if if it has a bridge pickup... no cable so... it's mic'd acoustic

Anyhow the 57 is for 1957. That mic hasn't changed since it was released in 1957

[night girder]

it's a classic

[charred relic]

I'll probably build a micrphone as a project at some point

the 57 is good for micing speakers

so is the 58

There are better for sure but for 100 bucks they work GREAT

[night girder]

exactly

[charred relic]

Also I know first hand the 58 is tough as nails, had a vocalist with one that looked like it had been through world war 3

still sounded like new

[night girder]

This shows the range of microphones 🤣 (in price)

From 105 to 1299 (and more)

[charred relic]

TLM 103 best sounding out of the batch

For voice they have an insanely good proximity effect for those into it

[night girder]

Yeah, it better be for 1K.

[charred relic]

What boggles my mind is how many artists have no idea about the hardware... like at all... and in some cases own super expensive vintage stuff

[night girder]

I think Rick even mentions, that his best mics are 2nd hands broken accidents.

That he buys them on flea market or whatever, and they have a unique sound because somethign is wrong with them 🤣

Maybe not his best mics, but that you can be lucky with 2nd hand microphones.

[charred relic]

Lady Gaga posted a COVID video... she was using a vintage U 67 tube mic. Thing has an external box it plugs into with a tube

several thousand min for any of them... she was singing

...into the back side

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

That actually made my soul hurt a little heh

[night girder]

lol 🤣

[charred relic]

I can't justify a TLM 103 even with the deep discount... or I'd totally get one

Really though 100 bucks for a mic and a couple hundred for a channel strip that gives you what I would consider the fundamental stuff you should basically always have on a mic and you'll sound like you're in a studio

well outside of the fact your room probably isn't properly treated heh

[night girder]

I never got the sound quality I wanted from my combo.

always sounds a bit off... like flat

and I haven't spend the time/energy figuring out what.

[charred relic]

with the 57?

[night girder]

Yeah ...

[charred relic]

Not my favorite for voice for sure, 58 is better. Sennheiser e835 is way better

all in the same price category

[night girder]

not voice, guitar

[charred relic]

should be able to find a suitable spot on the cone for it

what size is the speaker?

When I hear thin when it comes to dyamics my first thought it too far from the source

[wanton orchid]

go for sensitivity for that stuff
and take a good preamp/input card
even if it does not have a lot of features
that's the main parts in not sounding flat

[night girder]

nah I did that,not sure if it's the mic + amplifier combo.

mic + audio interface combo.

my room. All together. No clue.

[charred relic]

Could always try a condenser, I think they sound better for that anyhow

But it's also a lot harder to control outside noice

[night girder]

And especially when I turn on my drive pedals.

[charred relic]

*noise

[night girder]

It loses that punch and sounds flatish. Best I can describe.

[charred relic]

If the room isn't treated you'll be getting a lot of vary bad standing waves

unless it's an odd room that doen't have 90 degree corners

And no two walls parallel

[night girder]

it's a attic, nightmare 😉

[charred relic]

Or pad the shit out of it... but that's the thing too much sound treatment is actually bad

the audio starts to sound... "dead" or "stale"

[night girder]

It's hard to describe.

But my ears know something is off.

[charred relic]

Well here is the thing

You can just bypass the amp and the mic these days heh

[night girder]

Yeah, I've done that. And it sounded way better.

That's why I was dissapointed with it.

I haven't been able to get better quality than pluging my guitar direct into my i212

[charred relic]

Well with the modeling and IR's now you can't tell the difference

[night girder]

Eh ...

some of those online amplifiers aren't cheap.

or the programs themselves.

[charred relic]

dude just catch Amplitube Max on sale

[night girder]

They want money. One way or the other.

[charred relic]

100 bucks, you'll ah ve more shit than you know what to do with...

The max version has a LOT of stuff in it... a lot

[night girder]

Anyway, that just bypasses the problem, not solve it 😉

[charred relic]

I'm a big Pantera fan, Dimebag specifically. I can dial in his CFH tone clickity click heh

and it's all modeled after the gear he used

[night girder]

It is possible to get the same sound quality with mics and amplifiers.

[charred relic]

A lot of newer stuff never seeds an amp in the studio

[drowsy coral]

Coffee Stain should lock in and use GPTKv2 to port Satisfactory to Mac

[charred relic]

I can see micing up cabinets almost being totally a non thing in another decade or two, you'll just have the hardcores doing it heh

It'll still be done for live probably to feed the PA... but yeah

[night girder]

Yeah, that's what they said about vinyl decades ago.

[charred relic]

you don't even have to do that...

[night girder]

cd will replace it.

and mp3 will replace cd.

and now it's all streaming.

And people still buy vinyl.

[charred relic]

Mic'd... direct... honestly I prefer direct

[night girder]

Wasting Light is the seventh studio album by American rock band Foo Fighters, released on April 12, 2011, through Roswell and RCA Records. Wanting to capture the essence of their earlier work and avoid the artificiality of digital recording, Foo Fighters recorded the album in the garage of frontman Dave Grohl in Encino, California, using only analog equipment

[charred relic]

just beause I can then choose from among mics i can't even afford, and it's easier to tinker with placement

I also can't tell a difference anyhow. Most people can't which is... great.

[night girder]

I can, especially wasting light.

the whole album, you just hear it.

it's all more "raw" and less refined.

[charred relic]

ToneX is impressive as well, my neighbor has a lot of Marshall and Fender amps so we did some comparisons and yeah

it sounds just like the actual amps

Also Jack White does vinyl ;

Even live recording direct to record

[night girder]

oh, Foo Fighters isn't the only one. Just the first popular band that came to my mind.

[charred relic]

I have a lot of respect for White as a musician, he's a musicians musician.

Dave also grew up recording to 1"

[night girder]

neil young

he hates mp3 btw

[charred relic]

Metallicas Kill em All is full of flaws, especially in the solos, mostly due to budget... some of which coming down to re-takes cost money since 1" tape asn't cheap

but that was the charm of Kill em All...

I would not want a cleaned up refined version of those songs, they wouldn't be nearly as good

[night girder]

Yup

[charred relic]

We used to use a Tascam 4 track... Then later I spent way too much money on one of the earlier digital based multi channel recorders that was hard disk storage and digital... oh and 8 tracks

didn't have to bounce tracks nearly as much with that heh

man that brings back bad memories lol

[night girder]

I use that.

[charred relic]

That interface is way way better than it has any right to be for 80 bucks

[night girder]

In reality I need something like this

but way too expensive.

I just need more channels.

[charred relic]

Also have one of those little interfaces

[night girder]

oh, nice 🙂

I bought zoom h1n, haven't used it yet 🤣

[charred relic]

works with phones, tablets, pc...

[night girder]

I though it could be a cool extra mic from room ambient etc.

and it's portable.

[charred relic]

Since I use wireless I have my iRig attached to the strap

super small practice setup since i just need that little box and some headphones or buds

...and my phone which is always in my pocket anyhow

[dire igloo]

speaking of audio nerd shit:
I got a pair of Elac DBR62 for 295€ total (display units)

[night girder]

your fender seems in better shape than mine 🤣

all my labels beneath the buttons are kinda gone.

[charred relic]

wut fender

oh that photo isn't mine just showed the size of the interface well

[night girder]

amplifier?

ah!

[charred relic]

I don't do Fender personally

I might build a 59 tweed replica kit... but I dunno

It's expensive still, the enclosure alone is probably worth 300+ though... and I guess I can weak the preamp to give me the sound I want but then what's the point of having built a 59 tweed replica

I mostly like the enclosure really...

[dire igloo]

O-Noorus D4

[charred relic]

heh asked Warp terminal to use Luckperms for the permissions for a little test plugin I had it create... and... "03.03 17:44:22 [Server] INFO [GodPlugin] Successfully hooked into LuckPerms!"

How did I not hear aobut this terminal sooner...

[night girder]

terminal or shell?

Warp **AI ** 🤮 for command suggestions and assistance, and an IDE with text selection and cursor positioning.

nvm.

[mental oriole]

Ai everhything...

[charred relic]

apparently it can write and compile basic plugins for MC lol

hell it even installed maven for me

Not really sure far it can go... I'll keep playing with it.

It seems to reference other projects or examples from documentation to figure out how to do things..

[night girder]

Yeah, I am getting tired.

[mental oriole]

Same

[charred relic]

lol im about to get up, hit the shower and get crackin for the day

[novel rose]

They'd be like 'Our newest coffee machine equipped with AI for the best taste every time'. Bitch please, those things are programmed at hardware level to remain cost effective

[mental oriole]

Now with artificial blend.

[charred relic]

It's a proprietary blend of autnetic coffee substitute

10,000% more betterer taste

[novel rose]

The only things I'd accept if they started calling it AI/with AI is a tool like Intellisense. That shits already so advanced its not far away from actually being one

[visual tree]

"Everyone is using AI. Sprinkle some AI into that coffee!"

[night girder]

You ask, they deliver.

[charred relic]

I usually add some AI sprinkles to my icecream

[novel rose]

THATS NOT BLOODY AI😆

Thats useless smart home functionality

[tough owl]

Can I get ai on my bidet

[night girder]

There is so much AI garbage out there

[novel rose]

Same with my washing machine

Its got autodosing but it supposedly uses AI

[night girder]

Thanks AI

wtf are smart mirrors even ... do I want to know

[visual tree]

According to those coffee producers logic, I could say my air conditioner is powered by AI because I can control it remotely through a mobile app and the AC automatically reduces blowing power when room temperature equals AC temperature

[verbal raft]

FSR 4 upscale perf VS DLSS CNN (ticked off by VEX's vid)
DLSS CNN P = +71%
FSR 4 P = +68%
DLSS T P = +59%
(just comparing HUBs HZDR and RnC to AMD's numbers)
(so not the **most **accurate)

well uhh

[visual tree]

I have done it, I have created AI-powered xlookup function!

It is so smart it returns the values in the result range based on the position where a match was found in the lookup range

/sarcasm

[night girder]

I made a AI powered toothpick.

[visual tree]

Wonder what it does

[tough owl]

Ai powered brick

[verbal raft]

TBH i agree with most of the video
but
DLSS T P = +80% is ridicuolus

[night girder]

it picks your tooth.

But it does it smart.

[tough owl]

They got the latest gpt40 and deepseek release

[verbal raft]

i feel like the guy accidentally used DLSS T UP instead of P

cuz it just doest add up

[visual tree]

I walk with those when I want car drivers to let me cross a zebra on the road (*jk)

[verbal raft]

here DLSS T = 75%

[tough owl]

They immediately lock onto the oncoming car should the car get too close

[visual tree]

That would actually be a useful product in my case

"The light is green. Let me cross the zebra or this AI brick will aim for your skull!"

[dire igloo]

Smart mirrors are actually kinda cool. It's basically an LCD screen behind a one-way mirror so you have a display inside your mirror.
Can show you weather info n stuff

Don't need to have AI tho, but the idea is nice

[verbal raft]

and that includes more and different games than the FSR 4 avarage

[dire igloo]

I actually once started a project for one at my school, but we quickly dropped it cuz it got too complex

You need an LCD screen with high contrast and you'd need a lot of extra stuff to make that mirror
Just wasn't worth it for a school project

[visual tree]

My college friend was in a startup making an app called "fecalicious" 😅

"The user would be offered a mobile application, in which basic information about the person and the problem that person has can be simply and discreetly entered . Basically, our user would have to take a picture of their stool, whose characteristics the artificial intelligence would analyze from the data obtained, as well as from data on the frequency of stool, using certain algorithms, and offer solutions that would be suitable for people with diarrhea or constipation. The solutions that come into consideration are basically lifestyle modifications, such as changes in diet, but also the use of specific substances that are widely available, but with relatively unknown properties in terms of modifying stool frequency and consistency."

Don't know what happened to the app though

[night girder]

I used it, it's pretty shit

[visual tree]

I knew someone would use puns 🤣

I seriously don't know why they picked that name

[dire igloo]

Did they really try to combine the words feces and delicious into one?

I wonder why it failed

[night girder]

feces? (another word for 💩 )

[visual tree]

Probably although friend mentioned programmers didn't have much spare time to contribute to the project

I guess he had shitty colleagues

[night girder]

Who is using puns now?

[visual tree]

I actually planned to use puns first but you beat me to it

[visual tree]

I should create an AI door lock for family relatives with mood detection camera on the door

[verbal raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDX0l5kaYsc

[mental oriole]

From my undetstanding mostly a "bios" issue

[visual tree]

For example: If the camera detects angry mother-in-law (which is usually the case), it will lock the doors and say something like: "Oh, looks like someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today, no entry for you!"

[visual tree]

Never owned ASRock. Wonder if it's still considered a "budget" version of Asus

[mental oriole]

Legit never heard of 🤣

Until that video

[visual tree]

Guess that means it sucks then

[verbal raft]

i have never owned an ASSRock mobo either

[visual tree]

Before getting asus motherboards, I had gigabyte motherboards.

I would describe them as "Not great, not terrible"

[tough owl]

ive never found a mobo brand ive liked

all of their bios' suck

[night girder]

How so? What features do you miss?

[visual tree]

Second one surprised me

Also didn't know NZXT makes motherboards, they should stick to computer cases...

[tough owl]

not miss. just cluttered and not well designed

[night girder]

yeah, maybe outdated

[winged valley]

Anyone here know if Hyper-V Host 2019 supports GPU-P? I know WS 2019 does but I'm getting conflicting info on HVH 2019
For any who aren't aware. HVH is trimmed down WS that only runs the Hyper-V services

[winged valley]

Nevermind on this, GPU ended up not being needed

[night girder]

concept laptop with solar* panels

[visual tree]

I think small portable solar panels/power banks would be better in this case imo

[languid gulch]

i want rollout blanket solar panels

[visual tree]

Since you would need to flip down the top panel in order to charge the laptop

[visual tree]

Something like this?

[languid gulch]

kinda, yea

but me want bigger

[visual tree]

Not sure if there is a bigger blanket than this

[languid gulch]

ME WANT BIGGER

[visual tree]

Get more blankets

And glue them together

[languid gulch]

also it feels like that's losing quite a bit of area to the fabric

[night girder]

24% conversion efficiency rate.

According to Lenovo's testing, 20 minutes of direct sunlight exposure generates sufficient power for approximately one hour of video playback.

but someone already pointed out, how healthy it is to let your laptop bake in the sun

[jagged snow]

In theory, fine

Just gotta pick the right battery chemistry

[night girder]

Which is?

[jagged snow]

Not lithium
Most will see fairly heavy degradation charging above 40c

[night girder]

Fair, but the rest of the laptop doesn't like it.

And I mean summer time, you leave your laptop outside to "charge" forget it for a few hours.

I don't know if this is such a good idea. Interesting concept.

Also, if the source is solar energy ... or renewable, it's obsolete kinda?

Well, it can still charge by itself.

[jagged snow]

Rest of the laptop could probably be alright
I think the real practical application of this would be trickle charging during normal use

[night girder]

Used to have this 🤣

Worked great tbf.

[jagged snow]

They do

Bulletproof

I've never in my life grabbed one and had it not work

[night girder]

all you need is light

[jagged snow]

I still have the same exact one and use it regularly

[visual tree]

A great example why you shouldn't rely too much on machine learning https://youtu.be/F4lrq6FZQLg?si=h9j7PZ2OPMNjDym3

Basically, looking away from the exam paper = cheating

If they used actually used this, I guarantee almost everyone would be "caught" cheating

And I hope they didn't sell this to schools because a lot of people are going to be screwed for no reason...

[dire igloo]

Easiest lawsuit ever tho - they literally cannot prove that you cheated if all they have is an AI system

[visual tree]

My former school/college teachers would put this tool to shame since they are very good at catching cheaters

We also had to pass oral exams in front of the teacher so If you cheated in the online exam, you still had to prove what you learned

This is where almost all cheaters fail

[languid gulch]

what was the quote i saw. no AI should be responsible for something that a person could get fired for

[visual tree]

https://www.reddit.com/r/TexasTeachers/s/wMO5wOfx19

"U.S. Constitution and bible was flagged as 100% AI generated"

But what if the constitution and the bible was actually written by AI because we might be living in the matrix? 🤔

[night girder]

that's not a bad one.

So we can have AI as presidents? 🤔

[languid gulch]

i wonder if any AI generated things should be completely off-network

[night girder]

wdym?

[languid gulch]

disconnected from the internet

[night girder]

self hosted?

It's an option.

[languid gulch]

if skynet has taught us anything it's that no AI should have access to that much info and capability

[visual tree]

Reminds me of this fallout.fandom.com/wiki/John_Henry_Eden

[night girder]

capability isn't that high as they want you to believe

[languid gulch]

at the moment

[willow pike]

microsoft has ceased investment in AI hardware

that should tell you it's near or at the limit

[night girder]

Would be stupid. We all have been playing around with AI. We know it's flawed.

[languid gulch]

exactly

[visual tree]

Tell that to my avatar

[languid gulch]

so any actions it takes would be stupid

[night girder]

not stupid, just a risk of flawed 🤣

well, yeah. That's stupid 😄

[languid gulch]

with my experience stupid people can be at least as dangerous as smart people, if not more

why not AI

[night girder]

But it's possible it can get some things right, like managing traffic lights.

But do we want to take those chances? 😄

[night girder]

it's pretty dumb atm.

To me it's like a search engine 2.0.

[languid gulch]

yup

[night girder]

It's pretty accurate when it comes to my coding experience. But sometimes it just tells you things that are plain wrong.

[visual tree]

There is a saying here that a stupid person can destroy something in few days which a smart person made through years

[night girder]

Like "you can add this parameter to do x" and it's total bullshit, the parameter doesn't exist.

[languid gulch]

i just have 0 trust in any of it. the people running it have every incentive to lie about every aspect of it

[night girder]

I use it for code snippets, pretty low key stuff

but trust is a big word 😄

you know, if you ask the right questions, and you get code snippets. It's pretty easy to check if it works or not.

[languid gulch]

which is fine for little stuff

[willow pike]

a search engine you need to verify with a search engine

[night girder]

Or just by executing the code.

[languid gulch]

if you were using it to program a surgical laser, i'd have questions

[night girder]

Yeah. I mean, use it wisely?

If it starts with things "execute this command with sudo etc" ... you best know what you are doing.

which happened to me. The AI tries to explain the command, but it can be bullshit.

I would just keep AI to a language model, as is now.

[drowsy coral]

I did that while installing something and nothing happened (although I did verify the command existed)

[charred relic]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-moon-creepy-gif-14222607

[maiden coyote]

I heard it's because nivida and amd pay more.

[winged valley]

I'm excited, boss said the more he thinks about the DIY server idea the more he likes it. He also asked me to send him a written list of warranty/return options for each component. He's deciding and purchasing next week, I think I'm gonna get to build a real server
If this works out, then I'll get to standardize the deisgn and build/deploy 1-2 more of them. And if that works out, all our server needs for the future will be fulfilled by me which means a lot of fun (yes, headaches are part of the fun)

[verbal raft]

Thats quite a title

[mental oriole]

insert this fine

[willow pike]

www.gamesradar.com/hardware/desktop-pc/ive-been-using-the-rtx-5070-to-play-a-bunch-of-games-early-and-it-might-be-the-console-killing-gpu-ive-been-waiting-for/

I'll obviously be looking to dive right into how the GPU fairs without Multi-Frame Generation and DLSS 4 providing an AI boost, but since I can't find any glaring reason to switch those off at a surface level, I'd say Nvidia's RTX 4090 levels of performance claims are pretty much holding up. Keep in mind we're talking about a $549 card with a much lower 250W TDP, so even vaguely mimicking the results of a $1,599 model is a feat.

https://tenor.com/view/i-accept-bribes-charlie-secret-headquarters-i-accept-payments-i-accept-payoff-gif-26484733

[cobalt ivy]

Where they at tho

[tribal kraken]

Excavator bucket rebuild. 3D scan the healthy top part and desing new parts to customer specs using standard lip/teeth. Wonder how my laptop will look after few years

[verbal raft]

LOL

[novel rose]

Curious to know, is rebuilding cheaper than a new one? (because this doesn't look like a small rebuild)

[tribal kraken]

Thats a good guestion. We do make new ones too. This is right on the edge that new would be cheaper. But the attaching brackets and pin holes are in good shape and dont need any work so decision was to save it. And its kinda in house work.

[novel rose]

Alright, thanks for the answer. Interesting to see either way👍

[tribal kraken]

No problem. Bought the scanner (3Dmakerpro Lynx ~$500) in November and been testing where is it usefull for me

[charred relic]

Have you seen that GelSight stuff? Totally different kind of scanning but neat regardless.

Uses touch to form an impression so things like surface uniformity and roughness can be measured, or how high things protrude

Also can be used for accurate measurement since the scanned area is a known size

[willow pike]

bro the 5060 is gonna be a fucking noose at this point

[charred relic]

I collect collectors -puts you in box-

[verbal raft]

non XT might i add

[charred relic]

My oddball model is never on lists :/

[dire igloo]

https://youtube.com/shorts/g_-W_wMgJH8

Can just be irrelevant due to age but still make the charts if it were included

[night girder]

Abstract—We report on the results of a measurement study
investigating the cookies, identifiers and other data stored on
Android handsets by Google Play Services, the Google Play
store and other pre-installed Google apps. We find that multiple
cookies and identifiers are sent by Google servers and stored on
the handset, even when no Google apps have ever been opened
by the user. This includes advertising analytics/tracking cookies,
links and device identifiers. No consent is sought for storing any
of this data and there is no opt out. To the best of our knowledge,
this study is the first to cast light on the cookies etc stored by
pre-installed Google apps.

www.scss.tcd.ie/Doug.Leith/pubs/cookies_identifiers_and_other_data.pdf

Meanwhile people fearing Mozilla 🤣

[charred relic]

joke is on them

i have no soul

[tough owl]

I love dealing with flask for html websites 💀

[mental oriole]

F

[mental oriole]

Pretty much

I could have considered the 5080 if it had 24GB vram. But it does not so...

[willow pike]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-dc-hmm-thinking-gif-4575661

[dire igloo]

fuck Hellhound

[mental oriole]

"same performance"

[verbal raft]

5070 | 4090 perfromance

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[languid gulch]

that is probably the biggest lie they've said apart from the "we don't see any issues with the 12VHPWR connector, you must be using it wrong"

[verbal raft]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

very re assuring

[pure karma]

Nah bruh that’s literally me

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSylZ1Bp1Y

"it might even have all of the ROPs"

i wonder when nvidia is just going to flip on frame gen, make it undisableable, and stop using it as a talking point

[willow pike]

lotta reviews, when listing the rops, say it has "80 ROPs, theoretically"

glad to see reviewers rake this shit over the coals

not glad that people keep buying this shit

[gilded helm]

Jensen probably hasn't played games in so long he's forgotten what performance actually is.

[languid gulch]

idk if he ever played a game in his life

it takes a special degree of sociopathy to become a billionaire

[languid gulch]

that being said, i'm glad i got a 4090 in this instead of a 5070 🤣

[tribal kraken]

Yeah it's been fine since launch of 2022 and better after EK waterblock in a month or so. Few thousand trouble free gaming hours on 600 Watts.

[pure karma]

yea its so wild that its gone up in price

[native mortar]

They really should have released the 5080 with more VRAM but at least the Frame Generation tech does some heavy lifting.

[verbal raft]

you mean
Flame Generation ?

[languid gulch]

i'd love to see if there's a legal requirement to actually supply a product if you announce it as existing

[charred relic]

No

Go try to buy a Analogman King of Tone and lemme know what the wait estimate is 😉

People think waiting a month for a video card is a long time, people are waiting nearly 6 years for those heh

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slABqBmoQ9A

[charred relic]

...or if you're me you just built a replica that is 1:1 inside heh

[languid gulch]

i feel like the (supposedly) most valuable company on earth should have some higher standards

[charred relic]

That's why people should put a pause on buying their cards.. vote with your wallet.

[languid gulch]

last nvidia card i bought was a 1660S during covid shortages

[charred relic]

As long as people keep gobbling them up like crackheads they have no real incentive to change

I sold my video card during the shortage... for 2x what I paid for it.

[languid gulch]

sadly i didn't have anything worth selling at the time

[charred relic]

All I had to replace it was a 2060 but whatever, I couldn't turn down doubling up on that card

plus at that point i was in and out of the hospotal constantly and wasn't using my desktop much anyhows

[languid gulch]

yea, all i had was a 1660 & half of an RX560

[charred relic]

Nurses or lab folks coming in and I'm chillin in the chair playing Civ 5 on my laptop

[languid gulch]

🤣

[charred relic]

They were always surprised I wasn't in bed I'm like uhhhh no

[languid gulch]

thermals

[charred relic]

they also would have me on the wireless monitor

So one time Iw as bored with the snacks at the machines on my floor so I was like welp I'm going to guess these things work throughout the hospital otherwise they are about to think I'm dead

then went rogue and went up a floor

Cause I'm standing there and I look uip and down and I'm like... this same general layout is on every floor... with machines

...with possibly new goodies!

[languid gulch]

last time i had to stay in a hospital, it was a brand new wing, so i had 9 floors all to myself

[charred relic]

oooo spider!

one of those fast lil black ones... darnit too much of a pain to play with

No... I'm not going to kill it 🙂

[languid gulch]

we don't really have spiders here except for the occasional black widow or wolf spider

the scorpions are usually too much competition

[charred relic]

wolf spiders I'll interact with, they're super cool

they also seem to be able to remember people....

i come across black widows in the garage from time to time, but since they like to stay out of the way they aren't much of a problem.

Fortunately they rarely inject enough venom to kill an adult sized human however my grandfather was bitten by one once and said it was the sickest he's ever been.

[languid gulch]

oh yea seeing their damage kinda scares me

[charred relic]

The brown recluse is another we have here that can be nasty... for most people they aren't a problem

if you have the nectrotic reaction to the venom it can get real nasty

screw it not editing that again heh

via Newegg on X... plot twist that is literally their entire stock

[twin dew]

For the entire country.

[languid gulch]

ngl i was kinda expecting all the reviewers to post their amd reviews at midnight

[twin dew]

https://imgur.com/user/kittycrazy88 ?

[twin dew]

Wonder if that is just a wall, or actual fully filled cube...

[charred relic]

It's a BORG cube

heh that reminds me that was one of the taglines of that offline forum reader i talked about, it was called Blue Wave and would say "you will all be assimilated by the blue wave"

Same as for anybody else...

Like if you describe having no TV remote and having to get up to change channels a younger person is like OMG WUT!

we didn't know any different, that was just how it was

like... hot it is now is... how it is

You can't know you miss something... you never had 😉

Oh I would eat you

...given dire enough circumstance 🙂

I keep trying to tell vegans they should pipe down... in dire circumstance THEY are part of my menu.

Bet they taste great too... heh

Well I'm talking plane crash in the mountains dire

you're laying there all mangled and dead already... yeah imma eat y a

If it's bad enough for me to off ya to eat you then... yikes

A man has to eat tho... ya know

I mean zombie outbreak or something and it's just anarchy

honestly if I don't know you... and you've seen me

you gotta go...

The people really do become more dangerous than the thing that cause it all to begin with

like zombies are dumb and slow and predictable... honestly wouldn;t be hard to mitigate against them.

I do remember when the bottom shelf candy at the corner store was 1 cent heh

1 cent, next shelf was mostly 3 cent, then 5 cent was the primo stuff

plenty of candies i like, american chocolate is a joke though

well not all of it but all the big mainstream stuff

Like sorry not sorry, hershey is NOT good chocolate

Pretty sure in most countries you can't even legally call it chocolate... due to how much cocoa butter it has

and sugar... chocolate is almost taking a back seat honestly

I like a lot of candies many hate

like licorise, circus peanuts... candy corn lol

i don't eat a lot of it

I don't eat a lot of sweets in general, I used to be a bit ole fatty and I'm never going back to that heh

[glossy glacier]

More stock than the entire 50 series

[novel rose]

Someone here told me to keep an eye on this channel regarding the 7900 XT, any updates whether an upgrade is worth it or don't buy anything at all?

[twin dew]

Point was that Radeon 9070 series is getting reviews released tomorrow.

[novel rose]

Ah alright, forgot what dates they said stuff would be coming out

[twin dew]

So far the hints from GN are that 9070XT will pretty exactly match 7900XT for raster, with better RT.

With $600 MSRP.

[novel rose]

Oh sorry yeah meant the 9070 series

[willow pike]

every 5070 review, every single one, said "wait 24 hours for something much better"

[novel rose]

Hmmm that sounds ominous

[willow pike]

they weren't allowed to say anything more

breaking embargo would be bad

[novel rose]

Also if I do end up buying a new GPU, My CPU will probably be a bottleneck (i5 14600KF). Is there any info on if Intel's next generation is going to keep the same socket?

Because I'd be willing to also upgrade my CPU if the bottleneck turns out to be pretty bad.

But if I would also need to upgrade my MB, thats a bit much for me

[willow pike]

the next generation already changed sockets

[novel rose]

Darn

[twin dew]

And is worse.

[willow pike]

it's also shite

[novel rose]

So in that case I'd be better off to buy 14th gen i7 for example if I really wanted to upgrade?

But not buy a new MB

[willow pike]

might see a good one on the used market

actually no. terrible idea

[twin dew]

Or just stay on your current CPU.
Not lot to gain on gaming performance going up the 14th gen stack.

[willow pike]

they might be degraded

anything second hand raptor lake is radioactive

[novel rose]

Alright thanks for the tips, will keep an eye online and here tomorrow then👍

[narrow folio]

minisforum BD790i X3D with an 7945HX3D for 600$ may be an option, although a weird one😉

[willow pike]

9070 reviews will hit today, probably within 3 hours

[narrow folio]

hopefully they deliver a bit over the promised 4070 performance

[novel rose]

Lol just read that Nvidia is not meeting their own launch time this afternoon for the 5070

[willow pike]

i guess having 10 in stock was too big an ask

[novel rose]

Ridiculous that in this day and age there is so much bs happening for online/tech retail that would never fly in regular retail

[willow pike]

this isn't new, 4000s weren't available for MSRP for like 6 months

[novel rose]

No I know but that it keeps happening

[night girder]

Depends which games 🤔

The new monster hunter wilds just released, and so far the reviews point out one thing.

Unoptimized game, requires hard hardware. As if they made the game for specific hardware

[twin dew]

Usually about the single-thread performance more than amount of P-cores.

And 14600K upwards that single-thread doesn't change that much, little but not enough that I would consider upgrade worth it in any way.

[novel rose]

I have yet to hear of a game that isn't deemed unoptimized at launch for like 5 years now

[night girder]

New games "optimized" against new hardware.

[twin dew]

That thing is calling functions like "what GPUs are available?" each frame.

When those are only needed to be called before setting up one GPU, at selected resolution, for use, once when game starts, and maybe when player enters video setup menu to update the options.

[novel rose]

Yup, thats why I'd rather have the Satisfactory setup

Be in EA for years but have an optimized game

Just as long as studios don't copy the ARK:SE early access setup

If websites claim that it can run Office without issue and has powerful hardware (read: stuff from 5-7 years ago). Those usually aren't super expensive

[twin dew]

Some cheap AMD with 16GB of RAM and ok display?

As in not TN.

[novel rose]

What price you looking for btw?

[twin dew]

How was it eye killer?
Brightness? That is adjustable.

[novel rose]

ASUS Vivobook line has some around that range that aren't complete crap

[twin dew]

With cheap laptops you have choice between TN with crap colors and IPS with crap colors (60% NTSC colorspace).
Always go with that IPS.

[twin dew]

All the makers have ok laptops in that range.
Like I said, look for AMD CPU and 16GB of RAM, with IPS display.
After that just about connectivity etc.

Just recommended my grandfather to get Lenovo IdeaPad 1 15AMN7 82VG00SLMX.
Ryzen 7520U, 16GB of RAM, 1TB SSD, 15.6" Full-HD IPS display.

But that was just the cheapest that fit the bill.

But that has very easy disassembly to level you can remove the fan for cleaning.

[novel rose]

Ah

[twin dew]

Intels are also ok as long as it is Core, not Pentium or like as the CPU branding.

[novel rose]

Just be aware of them having enough storage space. It has become a bit better but for years default for a laptop was 256 GB without paying extra

And some are a pain in the butt to replace the SSD

This reminds me that I really should clean out an HDD that I am using that is from 2010 or something

Just give em floppy discs

dogshit isp, luckily don't have those here

Some towns/cities here have 2 or more fiber networks because one ISP wanted their own network lol

Wait holdup

Chrome has a built in speed test now

Hmmm router has had an uptime of almost 1 month

Might reboot that tonight

Best ISP I had so far was the University I attended

€15,- per month for 1 Gbit

[night girder]

What?

[twin dew]

For the absolute bottom barrel office & browsing laptop.

[night girder]

What intel?

[twin dew]

Where the CPU or IGP performance doesn't really matter.

Just need to not get the absolute bottom barrel laptop Intels that are just horrible.

[night girder]

I though we weren't allowed to call out brands to be "good" or "bad" in here. And had to say specifically; this model is bad.

[twin dew]

I specified to get Core branded Intels.
No the various Pentium etc. branded ones.

[night girder]

I am not even joking Maxeek.

The times I got into 10 hours discussion of this bullshit.

[twin dew]

Some of those can be usable, but with those you need to look very close.

[night girder]

And then Baldur says it and they stay all quiet.

[novel rose]

You still find them very often in those shirt button PCs used for a front desk for example

[night girder]

Nothing against you Baldur.

Just shows how hypocritical they are for calling me out.

[twin dew]

That any currently sold Core branded Intel laptop CPU is good enough?
But some of the Pentium branded Intel CPUs are unusable?

And that basically any AMD branded laptop CPU currently sold is good enough?

[night girder]

I think you miss context to understand my point 😉

[twin dew]

In that 400-600e budget laptop category for basic use.

[night girder]

You can say cpu i5-7400 @3.00 GHz is good.

You cannot say i5 are good.

You cannot say Intel is decent either.

According to some.

[twin dew]

Point isn't that there aren't differences in performance.
But point was that for the intended use, they don't matter and you can go with VERY broad CPU range and just go for the price.

Because in that price range, the CPUs are all over the place, and getting right amount of RAM, right storage and right display is more important.

[night girder]

For sure. Again nothing against what you said. Just pointing out, I get shit for saying stuff like that 🤣 Over and over again.

[twin dew]

So point was "Any AMD CPU, Any Intel Core branded CPU", and then the other stuff, at cheapest price.

[twin dew]

I would expect those to be in different cirmumstances.
Where such generalizations don't work as well.

But no idea.

[night girder]

Oh, yeah cherry picking double standards.

I still think it's bullshit one cannot say; "Steelseries make decent headsets" - or stuff like that.

[twin dew]

That is very different than saying that any of broad range of products will fill very specific use case.

That would be applicable IMHO for example to "all these can be used for video chats for playback and mic" use case.

[night girder]

"All the makers have ok laptops in that range." - Baldur.

[twin dew]

But yes, in some cases generalizations work, even more generic.
And usually I haven't been against them, and have mostly refrained from those spats.

[night girder]

Laptops for gaming? Office? AI? Photography? Video rendering?

Playing devils advocate.

[night girder]

Yeah, sorry. Don't agree. It's confusing for me. Again, nothing personal.

nothing against you. And I know you been fine with it. Just confusing for some people.

[twin dew]

And those statements were as the base from which to make the first cut to get rid of the absolute crap.
And then look closer into the leftovers to see which is "best".

[night girder]

Yeah, I can cool it.

[twin dew]

Because there are so many laptop SKUs, that differ on per store basis, and even more on per-country basis, that saying "buy this model" is impossible before some kind of cut has been made to narrow the field by the asker themselves.

Lenovo probably for example has hundreds to thousands models of that "IdeaPad 1", as that is just generic branding.
Then almost the same of that 15" model, then tens to hundreds variants of that 15AMN7.

Where that 82VG00SLMX is the exact model.

So for the spec of that exact model (which has gone up in price by 100e since it was recommended and bought in the same store and wouldn't be worth it anymore):
https://psref.lenovo.com/Detail/IdeaPad_1_15AMN7?M=82VG00SLMX

[night girder]

Nvm, it's a coffee lake. (Intel Core i3-8100T)

1x 4 GB DDR4-2666 pff. Who ships stuff with 4GB. Should be a crime.

Ok, it was 6 years ago they made the tiny PC. Even 4GB sounds low 6 years ago though.

[twin dew]

Checked that PSREF for 15AMN7, at least 1000 submodels.

Cannot know if that 1000 was how many there are, or limit how many the site will load.

And that IdeaPad 1 currently has 10 main models like that 15AMN7, in 14" and 15" sizes.

[night girder]

Technically, we know that you can't even always compare models 1:1. Since someone just release hardware with missing ROPS. So comparing one device vs another can give wrong results (one has missing ROPS, the other doesn't). So if someone has missing ROPS, their experience will be different than someone who has unit with all ROPS. Especially when reviewed.

[twin dew]

When I was buying my own laptop, I selected the base chassis down to Lenovo Yoga 370 for the form factor and that it had models with specific features, then went to that PSREF and found all Nordic models with those specific features I wanted and got the exact models.
Then looked which ones were actually buyable and the prices, and ordered one specific model through local Lenovo reseller.

But that is very different how most people buy laptops.

[night girder]

Another thing I noticed when shopping for thinkcentre.

When it comes to second hand thinkcentres in batch, it's always just out of warranty (so a company dumping them).

[twin dew]

Very common model in companies.
Buy or lease computers for the warranty duration and then replace all.

[verbal raft]

i think any RYZEN / intel core laptop can be fine and usable for something
but as someone that has/had an R3 3200 U i dont think the bottom line CPU's are good enough for a smooth experience
but thats just my opinion 🤷‍♂️

[twin dew]

But those aren't for sale anymore.

5000G:s are the lowest you can actually find.

[verbal raft]

could be...

[night girder]

I got a i5-8257U in my laptop.

It's ok.

Baldur, what does Multiplier mean on tech?

is that multiplier from base to frequency?

Ah it is.

[twin dew]

The basic frequency reference, and how high that is then multiplied inside the CPU to get the internal operating frequency.

Used to be "Front Side Bus" (bus between CPU and northbridge) as the reference, when separate northbridges still existed.

[night girder]

What's the added value of mentioning that as a stat? Why do they add it under performance?

Because if they tell us the frequency, and the base clock. One can figure it out themselves that multiplier is 18.0x etc?

[twin dew]

Because one way to OC is to change that base clock.
And another is by changing the multiplier.

But basically legacy stats.

At that 4GHz turbo, the multiplier will be 40.0

And that base clock is used as reference for almost all the other busses too usually.
So you couldn't raise Base Clock to more than 102 usually, as at 103MHz most SATA devices would break as example.

As raising it changed the SATA bus speed.

Highest end MBs for AM5 have "eCLK" (External clock generator) to get around that.
Extra clock generator so you have one clock reference for CPU, and another for all the rest.

Limited to highest end as segmentation, to sell those insanely pricy MBs over lower end ones, like POST codes today too.

[twin dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP0axVHdP-U

[willow pike]

seems what we expected; it's all on price and availability

at $600 it's an easy recommend

[twin dew]

Some game specific driver performance problems still, like that Final Fantasy result.

But those are to be kind of expected.

[willow pike]

it isn't missing hardware and it isn't black screening from an unstable voltage setting

at this point radeons are the stable ones lmao

[twin dew]

Yeah, just meant the lower than expected performance in that game.

game specific driver performance problems

And not that bad one in that specific game/test

[novel rose]

If I have to believe Amazon I can get the 9070 XT for free, has my 2060 Super available for €940 😆

[novel rose]

But realistically, it is still worth €200-250

So then the prices of the AMD cards become pretty interesting

[twin dew]

Still lesser RT performance, but nowhere near to same extent as with 7000s.

[willow pike]

yeah when you load it with so many rays they're all at 30fps

[twin dew]

And 5070 just cannot run those settings at all because of the VRAM.

[willow pike]

i would never play like that lmao

[verbal raft]

seems like finally trully
Ampere level RT

[pure karma]

How much vram do they have 16GB?

[verbal raft]

or
between ADA and ampere

[willow pike]

ye

[verbal raft]

yeah

[pure karma]

ight still not enough but better

[willow pike]

LTT has a few FSR4 image quality comparisons and it looks p good

[verbal raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZU0_ZVZtOA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzomNQaPFSk

there you go : )

[willow pike]

i'm on it thank

fsr4 is contending with dlss4 transformer?

i... did not see that coming

transformer looks a bit better but is slower

goddamn they fuckin' did it

[twin dew]

FSR4 is combination of the classic DLSS and DLSS Transformer techs.
It is using both of them in some way.

[jagged snow]

That's
Really cool

[willow pike]

that collaboration with sony and microsoft is really paying off

attention shoppers:

if you're in the market for a GPU at $600, get a 9070 XT tomorrow. fuckin' do it

first time i've been able to give a hard push for a graphics card in... fuck man, 5 years?

geforce 3000 / radeon 6000 was crypto bullshit, geforce 4000 was not good, radeon 7000 was fine

geforce 5000 is shite, radeon 9000 is good

[jagged snow]

Radeon 6000 was outstanding though

[willow pike]

crypto inflated the price of everything

[night girder]

not if you waited for the price to cooldown. but other than that, yeah, release prices were bloated.

[willow pike]

remember there was like a three week window of getting them at MSRP then it was two solid years of fuck you

it stains both brands

[jagged snow]

Yep
They were still good cards at msrp tho

And the 6800xt sold at a the best value on the market for years

[willow pike]

yeah but when you're paying double for all of them, value doesn't matter anymore

man i did not like those times

and 4000 felt like nvidia just saying "okay crypto prices are permanent now"

[jagged snow]

It matters more tbh
If you absolutely need a gpu, you want to get ripped off as little as possible

[willow pike]

if you can spend $1500 on a gpu you aren't value sensitive imo

[night girder]

No. Nvidia was testing.

and they got away with it.

[willow pike]

they did

the only question remains is

are buyers stupid

[novel rose]

Does this also hold for partner cards or are they fucked straight away with pricing?

[willow pike]

will they buy a 5070 instead

[jagged snow]

Yes

5070 will still outsell the 9070 hugely

[willow pike]

they were all fucked for the radeon 6000 / geforce 3000 time

[verbal raft]

DLSS T looks way better when it isnt hallucinating

[willow pike]

yeah that's kinda the problem, it hallucinates and ghosts more

it's clearer when not in motion

[night girder]

yes, branding, established believes that Nvidia is superior over AMD (fans?)

and history.

[willow pike]

though it also taxes the hardware more so that transformer Balanced is the same performance as CNN Quality

[jagged snow]

I wouldn't be surprised if 5070 outsells 9070 2:1 or 3:1

[night girder]

I also remember people complaining about GPU's being too big (4000 series of Nvidia I think?), consuming too much, but everyone bought em.

[willow pike]

the 9070 XT at $600 obsoletes every 5000 on the market right now outside of the 5090

[night girder]

So that only proofs Nvidia can kinda do what they want. Aslong as they show % better than previous generation.

[jagged snow]

Lol
Yeah
I went gtx470 to rx6700xt, I'm content with the 6700xt for a long time

[willow pike]

if we even get split sales between radeon and geforce i'll be amazed

[jagged snow]

Yeah and 60% of buyers won't even notice

[willow pike]

we have to yell louder

[jagged snow]

And of the 40% that do, half will still buy nvidia out of brand loyalty

[willow pike]

we want better prices, we want these fuckers to work for our money

[night girder]

I just want fair prices. Not better.

Fair = performance/price/quality balance.

[novel rose]

Isn't that case for most PC components atm?

[jagged snow]

Yeah honestly
I wouldn't hate current pricing so much if you got more at that pricing

[willow pike]

that 9070 is getting a price cut within two months though

[verbal raft]

that'd only be possible assuming you find a single 5070

[willow pike]

geforces are taking the pish

[jagged snow]

Like on the nvidia side
GIVE US MORE VRAM

And on the amd side
Give us a functional media engine 😭
Which did happen this gen it looks like

[willow pike]

5070 DOA. 5070ti does not justify itself over a 9070 XT.

[jagged snow]

Yep pretty much

[willow pike]

yeah people say they match NVENC now

[jagged snow]

I very much doubt I'll be recommending anything other than 9070xt unless there are big problems that crop up after launch

[willow pike]

the only sore spot are games that use path tracing but no card at this price can do it fast enough to be enjoyable

MFG does not count

[willow pike]

well at least the power connector won't melt

[jagged snow]

Don't get ahead of yourself
There could be bad pads on the partner cards that burn the pcb

[willow pike]

-# god, please

[jagged snow]

All I'm saying is that stuff happens

[pure karma]

5090

[jagged snow]

5090 is a super cool piece of tech, especially the fe

[night girder]

How exactly is this 80%? 1st is screenshot from newsoutlet. 2nd is source screenshot.

[novel rose]

Don't remind me, motherboard had a pin that was bent ever so slightly (1700 socket). And no, it was not one of the ones you can miss. So first thing I had to do was perform surgery on my MB

[pure karma]

nah but seriously people will defedently pay the price for more performance than a 4080 with mid ray tracing

[night girder]

I think they confused 80 graphic cores for 80% or something.

[jagged snow]

Also
Why would apple be announcing new m3 hardware when m4 is already mid-cycle?

[night girder]

M3 Ultra?

[pure karma]

Arent all the M chips practically the same performance

[night girder]

www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/03/apple-reveals-m3-ultra-taking-apple-silicon-to-a-new-extreme/

[jagged snow]

M3 and m4 are pretty similar

[jagged snow]

Interesting

They must have extra fab capacity on that node or something

[night girder]

M3 Ultra features a 32-core CPU, an 80-core GPU, double the Neural Engine cores, Thunderbolt 5, and support for the most unified memory ever in a personal computer.

PR talk.

[novel rose]

1. Because they can
2. An actual reason

[night girder]

the most unified memory ever in personal computer, wow

[novel rose]

I have never seen people fanboy over stuff as much as they do over Apple

[pure karma]

my phone screen is so trashed from mexico lol

[willow pike]

that's because apple only send their products for review to fanboys, who are the loudest

[night girder]

and nvidia. they introduced whitelist for their foundation orders. So they can clip the wings of the critics.

[pure karma]

the entire thing has basically a black and white filter on it now

[willow pike]

looking at overclockers, they have three 9070 XT SKUs at £570; the cheapest 5070 Ti is £860. that's 50% more expensive. that's sheer fucking lunacy

they go on sale tomorrow so we will see if that holds

[pure karma]

how does the B580 compare to it

im guessing its still better price to performance

[willow pike]

completely different performance tiers

[novel rose]

So Ferrari basically lol

[willow pike]

B580 is cursed because it's a cheap GPU that needs a fast CPU to work properly

[pure karma]

true but it shouldn’t be THAT far back right?

[jagged snow]

b850 is the buy for a sub $900 pc but you can't find it at msrp

[pure karma]

seems decent for people that try to overspec there cpu like me

[willow pike]

9070 XT is 3x faster for 2x the price

[pure karma]

Was at msrp last I checked has it gotten absolutely numed or what?

[night girder]

Today we’re introducing Verified Priority Access for the GeForce RTX 50 Series. It will give a limited number of verified GeForce gamers & creators in the United States the opportunity to purchase one GeForce RTX 5090 or RTX 5080 Founders Edition graphics card from the NVIDIA Marketplace.

** If selected, users will be notified at the email address of the NVIDIA account they enrolled with. Invites will begin rolling out next week.**

[jagged snow]

Pretty much full out of stock and selling in bundles for like 100 over msrp currently

[willow pike]

special handshake freemason-ass shit

[night girder]

Crazy shit right?

[willow pike]

meanwhile radeon i just hit add to cart

[pure karma]

So like every other gpu rn

[night girder]

I am happy with my XFX 6950 XT

[willow pike]

i am sticking with my 7900XTX; it's still faster in many ways, and though it lacks FSR4, upscaling is less useful at 1440p where i wanna stay close to native anyway

raytracing will probably only hurt in a couple years and then i will upgrade

[pure karma]

im happy with my performance not happy with only 12GB of vram

[night girder]

Eh, I can live without it atm. Let's first see where this frame gen is going in the future.

[pure karma]

always over

[willow pike]

into a fucking ditch

[pure karma]

im always at 16-18GB out of 12GB so 1/4 performance

[novel rose]

Same on an 2060S but I should concede that I don't really play games that utilize RT

[willow pike]

FSR frame gen is better in that it actually doubles framerates, where DLSS frame gen sometimes doesn't, but i still do not like either

and MFG is shite

[night girder]

They are artificially creating frames.

Also, doesn't the whole AI thing create overhead?

[jagged snow]

Some, can be less or more

[night girder]

If you use AI in DLSS, to get more frames, but you create overhead somewhere else?

[jagged snow]

There are dedicated tensor cores that don't do much other than eat into your tdp budget

[night girder]

Interesting.

[willow pike]

yes and no, it costs compute to do all the AI shit. for DLSS2 and FSR4 upscaling, the benefit to image quality drastically outweights the performance impact

[night girder]

And FSR doesn't do any AI?

[willow pike]

FSR4 is AI

[jagged snow]

It does, and that's why rx9000 has tensor cores now

That was the original primary point for nvidia's tensor cores too, was dlss

[night girder]

I whish they didn't though. Bit dissapointed.

[willow pike]

FSR frame generation and DLSS frame generation are not AI. DLSS4 frame generation is AI

[jagged snow]

Because they can run the model much more effeciently than running it on your normal render pipeline

[willow pike]

the evidence shows it's the best way to do it

fundamentally, all these AI upscalers are really just fancy TAA

[night girder]

On what do you base that it's the best way to do it?

[willow pike]

because DLSS upscaling and FSR4 upscaling look as good as they do while being as fast as they are

non-AI solutions have been tried and come up short

[night girder]

1... you need tensor cores, 2 you pay for those cores, 3 they consume more power, ... all to have a few artificial modified frames. That can still look like shit.

[willow pike]

ah i don't mean frame generation

that can go to hell

DLSS refers to upscaling and frame generation. same for FSR

fortunately you can turn frame gen off and still have DLSS/FSR upscaling

[night girder]

I am not doubting the results are better for FSR 4 and DLSS 4 over the non AI counterparts. But that doesn't mean it's the best solution. It's just what we got right now 😄

Oh, I am probably confused. 😖

[willow pike]

fundamentally, DLSS upscaling and FSR upscaling are both fancy ways to do TAA. do you know what temporal antialiasing is?

[night girder]

Yeah.

[jagged snow]

I've wondered what the impact of upscaling beyond your target resolution and then scaling back down would be too

[night girder]

It's just the nitty gritty words that confuse me.

[jagged snow]

Which is basically taa with extra steps

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/carotte-gif-10757250

[willow pike]

you take the previous 8 or so frames and you try to combine them into a good looking image. most TAA sucks because it's hard to make sense of all thse pixels. FSR2 is a hand-written algorithm that tries to make sense of all that data and it does pretty well

[night girder]

Are we the donkey? And is the carrot upscaling techniques?

[willow pike]

DLSS2 says "fuck it, make AI do the job"

turns out AI is pretty good at processing TAA

[night girder]

I have seen screenshots over the weeeks that made me doub tthat

[willow pike]

it's so good, the resulting image looks better than native, which allows you to turn the resolution down and get something that looks as good while your framerates go way up

FSR2 got real close without using AI but clearly AMD thought this was a dead end approach, so they got together with microsoft and sony to help each other out

[pure karma]

Yoooo i found the bird from the bird emoji

🐦

[willow pike]

result being FSR4 on radeons, and PSSR on the PS5 pro

[night girder]

#off-topic-tech message

What was going on there then?

[willow pike]

nvidia calls that DLAA

[night girder]

It's you who posted btw.

[jagged snow]

Yep

[willow pike]

frame generation

[night girder]

#off-topic-tech message

And that.

[willow pike]

completely different to upscaling

[night girder]

👍

[willow pike]

and that was me saying transformer had problems

[night girder]

Upscaling good. Frame generation poo?

[willow pike]

yeah p much

[jagged snow]

Yeah
Frame gen is "Look at what we've rendered recently, make up one or more frames completely out of thin air"
Upscaling is "Take this low res frame, use data from it and the last few frames, increase the resolution"

[willow pike]

no upscaling is perfect but they're better than not using it

frame gen can eat my ass

[night girder]

Check.

[willow pike]

radeon frame gen, nvidia frame gen, dead to me

[jagged snow]

Especially on their quality settings, fsr and dlss are both more or less free perf

[willow pike]

ye

[jagged snow]

Framegen is perf at a cost and I don't like it
It's also probably here to stay

[willow pike]

the quality settings define the resolution scale; i think quality is like 80% of full resolution? balanced 66%, performance 50%? some shit like that

i can never remember the precise numbers

[jagged snow]

Usually, depends on the impl

[night girder]

But look, it says upscaling. Not frame generation.

But still says DLSS has deep learning? (AI?)

[jagged snow]

Yeah, it uses ai to upscale existing frames

[willow pike]

DLSS is a big brand for upscaling and frame generation

same for FSR

[night girder]

They should have called it differently for people like me.

[jagged snow]

DLSS framegen uses different ai to make frames out of thin air

[willow pike]

yeah it's not obvious

[night girder]

Don't use DLSS and FSR for upscaling and frame-gen.

[jagged snow]

If it says upscaling, you probably want it
If it says frame generation, you probably don't

[night girder]

DLSS-upscale / FSR-upscasle and DLSS-frame-gen / FSR-frame-gen would help me a lot.

[willow pike]

frame generation should be a separate option somewhere

[jagged snow]

Well the setting is called Upscaling

[night girder]

You trust game developers?

[jagged snow]

On that, yes

They're very different features

[willow pike]

yis

[pure karma]

Yes

[willow pike]

turn DLSS on and set it to quality

[jagged snow]

If it says super-sampling or super-resolution or upscaling, that's taking existing frames and making them higher resolution

[willow pike]

make sure frame gen isn't on, it'll be a separate option

[jagged snow]

If it says fg or frame generation or anything else, it's making up the frames out of thin air

[pure karma]

frame gen is laptop only for me unless im desperate

[night girder]

That's the thing. I don't see frame gen anywhere.

[jagged snow]

Game might not have it 🤷‍♂️

[pure karma]

some games dont have it

[jagged snow]

They're things devs have to implement seperately

[night girder]

You get a checkbox to enable FSR 2. When you select AMD FSR 2.

[willow pike]

if you have a geforce, use DLSS

[night girder]

AMD. Said that I had 6950 XT 😛

[willow pike]

then FSR2 is still the best

XeSS is... weird

[night girder]

My point is; it's fucking confusing.

[jagged snow]

xess is its own beast

[willow pike]

sometimes better sometimes worse

[night girder]

I use Xess for SF.

[willow pike]

that's the intel one

[night girder]

yeah I know

less graphical artifacts in my experience