off-topic-tech

[wanton orchid]

it's always fucked up

and all I'm currently saying is from ground experience and study actually

go out and see how things actually work (or does not) ffs

[dire igloo]

Let's stick with said farmer:
He's valuing his limited experience over "writing" (which could also include recent scientific discoveries), relative's thoughts (which could have made different experiences) and sayings (which could be advice passed down through generations)

No I don't, that's just your bogus understanding of what belief is

[wanton orchid]

it's not currently teached as simply documentation
but rather as "rules" and "you must follow" and "that's the truth" etc

[dire igloo]

If I make said guess, I know that it was a guess and that I made it with all the info I had at hand

[wanton orchid]

go fucking watch the academic methodology from front face actually

[dire igloo]

Doesn't make it objective truth, just makes that my decision at that time

Hell, even the things any one of us holds for certain as undeniable truth can turn out to be false

[wanton orchid]

and that is not a belief yet then

[dire igloo]

Again, bad definition of what a belief or a belief system is.
It doesn't need to be rigid

Your beliefs determine the rules by which you approach life

[wanton orchid]

"rules"

not guess

you already made it rigid

[dire igloo]

The guess wasn't the belief.
The guess was the result of the belief

[wanton orchid]

ah yes nothing you passed by outside uh

[dire igloo]

Simple example: the trolley problem.
Outside of legal consequences, what's the right thing to do?

[wanton orchid]

there is no right thing because there is no context

it's a bogus problem

[dire igloo]

You too have a rigid system of rules by which you approach life.
"Get as much information as you can before making a decision" is de facto a belief

[wanton orchid]

typically "phylosophical" bait
you don't always have to give an answer when you don't have element to give one

[dire igloo]

"don't let subjectivity stand in the way of approaching objective truth" is also a belief

[dire igloo]

You aren't omniscient, you will never have the full context

[wanton orchid]

that's not the rules by I approach life
that's things I learned from real
deep social system study and their problems
I do not care about what people says as long as it's not directly linked with world I we can experience
and when you actually look at it you can learn really freaking lot from that
you are never actually forced to get mind shortcut

[wanton orchid]

starting about the corn I eat and the earth it comes from

[wanton orchid]

that's the point stop baiting yourself
know when you do not have answer period

you'll give you time and attention to actually watch things going on

[dire igloo]

"I refuse to give an answer unless I know the context" is also a belief

[soft bloom]

But you can't do it without believing that the words you read have the meaning you took

[wanton orchid]

it's not, there is no idea being that
that's a learned behavior

[dire igloo]

Not having the right answer doesn't free you from making a decision

Deciding to not decide is still a decision

[dire igloo]

Doesn't need to be learned behavior to become a belief

Again, your definition of a belief is too strict

[wanton orchid]

again words are only guides for what you can experience around you (that's not paper and ink)
there can't be bad words if helps you get into your environment

that's what makes big difference from talk for talk
and impact full messages

[dire igloo]

The point of a belief system is to be able to give an answer with insufficient information and insufficient context

[wanton orchid]

this message of yours is completely off mine, almost turning it 180 even
re read please

[dire igloo]

Rephrase please

[wanton orchid]

"insufficient" "give an answer"
what answer if it's deemed "insufficient"

get yourself grounded and come back later

[dire igloo]

Any answer

[wanton orchid]

it's like saying being ill is not a problem
a problem is part of what defines being ill

[dire igloo]

Either you're omniscient - in which case, congrats - or you need some system by which to decide with insufficient information

[wanton orchid]

stop talking for talking

[wanton orchid]

real life
not my neighbors speech

[dire igloo]

I want to understand your point - and I want you to understand that a belief isn't inherently bad or detached from reality

[dire igloo]

What does "real life" mean?

You're limiting "ideology" to the political bullshit that that one uncle babbles at the Thanksgiving dinner

That's not what ideology means

[wanton orchid]

air water your sense
your energy your eyes
everything else making your environment
not the application of what one hurt you for in a thing called a scholar room

[dire igloo]

"I trust my past experiences over other people's talk" is an ideology

[wanton orchid]

it's not

[dire igloo]

It very much is, lol

If it's not an ideology, what is it then?

[wanton orchid]

it's a personal choice and behavior
it's not an idea to spread
it's not a truth or knowledge
it's simply a description of what I'm doing

[dire igloo]

Actually, I have to specify: it's a belief, it can make a part of an ideology

[wanton orchid]

if we summerize your saying from earlier anything that you see or read is an ideology
in which case "ideology" don't have any specific meanings in which case you don't even know what you are talking about

[dire igloo]

Why does anything have to be a spreadable idea?
Or some truth?

Knowledge can be flawed if you're lacking information.

What I'm trying to do by describing what you do: I want you to notice that you yourself are doing things that have no inherent value yet you believe them to be correct.

[dire igloo]

Ideology does have a specific meaning.
So does belief.

A belief is anything that someone or something believes in.
A belief can also be a piece of scientific analysis.

[wanton orchid]

again you are projecting your own argumentation on what I'm saying
and actually imply I said the exact opposite of what I keep saying
"why does anything have to be spreadable idea"
my point is that it's absolutely does not have to be
and that it's not
and even should never be

[dire igloo]

Just because someone believes in something that you don't believe in doesn't make it any more or less of a belief or an ideology.

[wanton orchid]

and yet you didn't applied it to anything specific

[dire igloo]

Yes, that's entirely philosophical.
Yes, that's a very broad definition.

And that's exactly what I'm trying to get in your head

[wanton orchid]

and even complained I did

[dire igloo]

Then again, what is your understanding of a belief and what do you see as an ideology?

[wanton orchid]

oh yes "it's phylosophical" again that thing
if it's so "physiological" why not talk about it instead of noting "it's philosophical"
saying something is phylosophical does not provide anything

[dire igloo]

I didn't complain about that.
The only complain I have in this discussion is that you present a very negative definition of what makes a belief or an ideology

[wanton orchid]

you kept saying "no that's not what an ideology is" and now are asking me that

[dire igloo]

I'm just trying to give you the chance of making a clear concise presentation of your point.

It's very obvious that there is some big misunderstanding here - otherwise you wouldn't be disagreeing with how I presented your words.

[wanton orchid]

what you imply I'm saying when you are actually the only one implying that (that anything have to be spreadable ideology)

what I actually said about that earlier

[dire igloo]

It's this that I have an issue with.

An ideology isn't a movement and it isn't bound to a group phenomenon.
A single person can develop an ideology without any group involvement.

Ideology merely means system of beliefs.
Not one specific system, any such system is an ideology, regardless of its contents.

Where did you get movement from anyways?

[dire igloo]

This was aimed on a much deeper level

[wanton orchid]

the same way the word "phylosophical" does not exist if no one feels the need to be pedantic about what they are doing about words, in an academical way I would say
"ideology" does not exist if no one need to describe what happens when people are actively spreading their believes
which is not experience or knowledge

[dire igloo]

Basically: reset the entire discussion, start from the very beginning

[dire igloo]

Beliefs can derive from experience and knowledge.

Witnessing war can make someone a pacifist.
Feeling alienated by your social circle can make someone a xenophobe.
Scientific experiments can make someone a climate activist.

The concept of an ideology is not reliant on beliefs being spread.
idk what the world would look like if nobody was talking about their beliefs

If anyone does anything, some person in the world will want to know why

[dire igloo]

Actually, now that I think about it, I was wrong in how I interpreted the word "belief"

[wanton orchid]

they would talk about their experiences
when thoughts experiences it would still stay their experience
a soldier experienced war and can and probably want to talk about how threatening that was and still somehow still is, far from fight

[dire igloo]

Because any time someone does anything, they're using some form of belief system to judge whether what they're doing is right or not.

And this belief system can be influenced by a myriad of things:
Personal experience, other people's experiences, scientific evidence, religious scripture, something a random hillbilly said when you met them during a vacation

[wanton orchid]

belief how you call it that I call faith and choice
is personal and should stay that way

[dire igloo]

It's personal but it shouldn't be discouraged to be shared

It just shouldn't be forced upon anyone

[wanton orchid]

because otherwise it push people ungrounded
extrapolating from someone else's choices without their actual experience

a lot of knowledge can be talked about

[dire igloo]

What do you mean?
If I'm starting a farm and my neighbor shares their experience, isn't that something I should consider?

[wanton orchid]

even about the choices you made and what happened then

[dire igloo]

What's your definition of "knowledge" here?

[wanton orchid]

experience
not beliefs they then have
that's the whole point

[dire igloo]

What's a belief then?

Anything not derived from personal experience?

[wanton orchid]

when you take a thought or idea as a goal or foundation
instead of keeping it as a volatile guide for the next thing you'll actually learn

guess are good if they stay guesses

[dire igloo]

That sounds nonsensical to me

What if my past experience no longer holds true?

I need to adjust that as much as anything else

[wanton orchid]

when acting on guess you still fully understand it will maybe turn completely shit and you will just move on
belief is when you fix that as your new rule or the like

[wanton orchid]

An experience can't turn untrue
what you deduced From that experience can, though

[dire igloo]

So a belief is when I just make something up on the spot and decide to keep that as an unalienable truth?

[wanton orchid]

experience can be lost

or hard to define or understand

[dire igloo]

Then what's an experience?

[wanton orchid]

not as unalienable but as valuable as what you can directly observe and feel

[wanton orchid]

the traces of past environment and actions
the marks of time on you
as in all you keep from that thing as it is

[dire igloo]

Reminds me of this shitty joke:
"If you only believe to be true what you have seen with your own eyes and touched with your own hands, then does your brain exist?"

[dire igloo]

This system either has to be alienable to allow for making new experiences or it's just as flawed as someone making something up on the spot

[wanton orchid]

did you opened a mouse skull at school ?
you know blood
you know bones
you can pretty much feel your own skull
few years later you can imply nerves and their signals etc
but yea until you understand all this steps "brain" is mostly just a word for you

[night girder]

Just did a full clean of my keyboard. Let the keys soak in some water for half an hour. Then let them dry for an hour or more. Then re-assembling. This will never be my favorite clean routine. But atleast my keyboard doesn't look like garbage.

[dire igloo]

If the farmer's crops no longer grow because climate change brought droughts, then the new experience of how to handle droughts will need to find a place with the others that were made on more fertile soil

[wanton orchid]

wth are you talking about
you are contently experiencing, time goes on man
what do you mean by "it has to be alienable" ?

[dire igloo]

I have never seen a physical brain in my life, no.
I have observed their workings tho - EEG, MRT, etc
I have also seen depictions, both photographic and CGI.

The point here was that merely observing and feeling isn't enough to experience the world

[wanton orchid]

"how you handle droughts" is not experience
but it sure better have to come from experience
"how you handled droughts" in the past, is your experience (your past one)

[wanton orchid]

it's not that "merely enough" or not
it all comes from that no matter what
you are currently using your fingers to write to me through network

maybe your using your mouth instead btw

[dire igloo]

I have misunderstood you again.
#off-topic-tech message

What you meant was smth along the lines of "The things that happened in the past will always remain true."
What I have read instead was more along the lines of "what worked for me as a child is still as relevant as what worked for me yesterday"

[wanton orchid]

but it's not the point, it's not likely

[wanton orchid]

oh, I meant the first thing
not the second
the second worded like that would exactly match what I call a belief

you don't need to expect it to always work tomorrow to perform it and liking it if it still works

knowing that and not expecting stupid stuff like that
will make you even better enjoy how it still do you goods btw

you'll look still what you are doing in the present

(and all that I hope you can relate a little bit, because it's complicated things in the end, one have to experience himself too
but is very likely to have experienced at least once because that's how life work,
relating experiences and matching useful words on it is how we communicate in the first place)

[dire igloo]

Okay, yeah, so if I tried something in the 60s and it worked and then tried the same thing last year and it didn't work, then that's two experiences hanging around in my brain (or my diary or wherever).
If I then wanted to know if said thing will work for me again today, I'd have to somehow combine all these experiences.

And that's what my understanding of an ideology is: how do I combine all the things that I know and derive a course of action from it?

[wanton orchid]

other experiences
you have to learn from the ground
you know how to breath
you have that link to life deep inside at least

you are part of the world that's all

[dire igloo]

Thing is: gathering experience is trial and error

[wanton orchid]

the world makes you at least as much as you make the world

[wanton orchid]

yep

I'm part of that experience you'll have I hope

at least my words

[dire igloo]

It works, but you can influence it.
Other people sharing their experiences can stop you from trying to survive a 100m fall.
Scientists running experiments can stop you from eating that tasty looking white-dotted red mushroom.

[dire igloo]

Oh, absolutely

[wanton orchid]

I hope because what I written is important at least for me (through you)
and I learned it's important not from words
but from actual "trial and error"

[wanton orchid]

but you can watch some else die from it
and see in a mirror you're not so different than them
and survive instinct will do the reminding part

[dire igloo]

Thing is:
"Words" itself don't hold meaning.
It's how those words were derived that they carry meaning

It's just as stupid to blindly dismiss someone else's words than to blindly hold them as truth

[wanton orchid]

how they are used
starting from the thing your parents put in your hands when child, pushing you to learn to pronounce that song too

but it always have to connect to concrete

or it will either be straight bullshit
or you may very well misinterpreted it / it will be unhelpful to you in the end

that's how toxic lies are

[dire igloo]

I have never seen a dead person or even witnessed a person dying - yet I know a whole bunch of ways for me to die (including ways for someone else to end my life)

[wanton orchid]

you don't have to dismiss
just goes with what you can do with it

[wanton orchid]

you really didn't see how knife goes through flesh
and how your mouton is not making sounds in a grass field anymore ?

you can also actually not have these experience and ask to actually learn these things
it's a sane way to build yourself from actual ground

make more reliable choices

see how other people lives in other part of the world

it's not for no reasons journeys are very recommended to better understand yourself and develop

[wanton orchid]

for instance actually following an actual sheep until it goes into someone plate

the sheep farmer have that experience

not belief or anything

as I'm talking about knife cutting through flesh I do not get that from someone else's voluptuous words

you probably(,yes that is completely my perspective) have much more to get from your own experience than you may have thought

[dire igloo]

Experiencing something yourself has a much stronger learning effect than having someone share their experience.

Doesn't mean that any information being shared with me should be put to the test.

And yes, I should absolutely gather more first hand experience about the things that I'm talking about

[wanton orchid]

not put to test but always confronted with/from your own experience

as my words, these other words must remain guiding
not rule

I will never say "believe me"

[dire igloo]

Now to circle back to what makes an ideology:
The system that is build up from external knowledge, shared experience and personal experience is unique to a person.
That's what makes their ideology

[wanton orchid]

and I will even avoid that in idiomatic situations
because that's too dangerous

[dire igloo]

This whole system is their ideology

It's nothing rigid, it constantly changes

[wanton orchid]

every thing that's only grounded in personal experience is not ideology
because it's not built with ideas
but built from learning and understanding instead
there is no guess
but behavior and choices upon assimilated instincts

from actual stimulus

not words ones

[dire igloo]

But sometimes the ideology itself becomes self-sustaining (in a bad way):
Contradictory experiences are dismissed and supportive experiences are enhanced.

[wanton orchid]

that's what believing is imo / what I always meant with that

you don't even need to say "I believe" but "I think"
or "I put my trust in that"
"that's what I learned from this"(not a book)

[dire igloo]

That first part is just not true.
A personal experience is part of an ideology just as much as a piece of scripture is

[wanton orchid]

unless explicitly requested

[wanton orchid]

you're again going back
then define why you are saying that

[dire igloo]

And that's where I disagree.
The concept of belief goes way beyond that. Any time you apply your subjective system of experience and knowledge to the outside world, you act upon beliefs

[wanton orchid]

go watch that sheep

[wanton orchid]

you don't have to
you are confusing learned behavior / instinct
with believes

otherwise even try to define reflexes

[dire igloo]

And yes, if your understanding of ideology and belief is limited to what I elaborated there, then any ideology and belief is bad.

But that's just not what I count as such. It's a subset, not its entirety

[wanton orchid]

reflexes are not beliefs

btw what the hell is "believes" isn't it "beliefs" ?
my keyboard corrector is maybe hallucinating

[dire igloo]

Remember the wikipedia portion I posted?

If I made an experience in the past and I apply said experience to an action in the present, I believe that what held true then will hold true now.

The system of things that I use to decide what to do, be it consciously or subconsciously, ultimately is a collection of beliefs and ideals.
That's an ideology.

[dire igloo]

Belief - noun
Beliefs - plural of said noun

Believe - verb
Believes - 3rd person singular present tense of said verb

[dire igloo]

Reflexes are biological mechanism

[dire igloo]

And the reason why I'm saying what I'm saying is to make you aware of the very narrow definition you apply to the words ideology and belief

[wanton orchid]

and again I said : no you don't have to believe it'll hold true
you can simply go like that because you don't know better and it's probably going to go well until something tells you or hints you it may not and

1. you are open to fact that it may not
2. it does not prevent you from trying
3. you'll not be wronged that it does not work in the end, simply focus on learning more

"defending" (claiming from past experience, not including other mixed experiences people talk about, other experiences you may relate to in same ways yet) that it will always be like that is where you are hindering any signal it may not and where belief become apparent

[dire igloo]

So basically:

• you made an experience in the past
• you made zero contradictory experience
• whenever you perform an action, you believe that the experience still holds true

That's a belief, I'll even call it an ideal - because then it becomes more apparent where the ideology comes from.

The "believe" portion here is an assumption, a guess

[wanton orchid]

it's not built from ideas

[dire igloo]

Ideals, not ideas

[wanton orchid]

it's not idealogic
and there is no assumptions about the future
simply choice from what is known in the present

[dire igloo]

Again, you're trying to enforce the narrow definition you had

[wanton orchid]

I justifies it multiple times

[dire igloo]

You performing an action because your experience told you it's the right action is an assumption about the future

[wanton orchid]

what you learned is not idea

[dire igloo]

You assume that it will work

[dire igloo]

idea ≠ ideal

[wanton orchid]

look for idea

[dire igloo]

Important distinction

[wanton orchid]

Ideal is built on ideas

important distinction

it's not built on knowledge

it's built on intuitive guesses

[dire igloo]

That doesn't make sense

I think language barrier is showing here

[wanton orchid]

then will have to stop

then I open with
Ideas are good if they stay personal, but you can built from then by experiencing and studying things around that idea, like a blacksmith build around fire and iron

[dire igloo]

Intuitive doesn't necessarily have to be unfounded.
Intuition can derive from experience.

Also: idealization happens when you believe something to hold true for the future.
In the present moment, you don't know what will happen in the future. You can only guess.

However, you can make an educated guess. A guess based on past experiences, knowledge, etc

[dire igloo]

This definition of idea doesn't make sense.
An idea to me is a small moment in time where your brain makes some miraculous connection and you come up with something you've never thought of before

[wanton orchid]

It does not come alone in my sentence
it target an other word 'guesses'
not any intuitive thing

[dire igloo]

It's completely different from an ideal

[wanton orchid]

"intuitive guesses"
idea are part of thinking process but thinking process is not always about idea
you can think about your memories for instance

[dire igloo]

You're making "belief" and "ideology" into something unalienable. They are not.

You said it yourself: it's foolish to assume that whatever you believe to be true will do so for all eternity.
However it's a key part to life that you believe them to be true in the present.

[dire igloo]

Again, I don't think that's what an idea actually is

[wanton orchid]

you don't need to believe you don't need to even assume
just do the thing for the experience

I didn't say it was unalienable
I said it was granted value of similar importance to learned things and understanding

and that this valuation is foolish

[dire igloo]

It's not. Making any generalized valuation is foolish, regardless what nature.

If you have only ever once experienced a drought as a farmer, your super experienced neighbor from Arizona will have input that's far more valuable than what you learned

[wanton orchid]

Basically I'm saying to :
never make decisions upon "intuitive guesses" : ideas
that's what promote an idea into a belief
that's already closing the toxic loop you talked about earlier that I agreed on

this idea is only worth your curiosity and the following experience you'll seek for to better make your decision from knowledge

[dire igloo]

If anything, I believe my personal experience to be less true

[dire igloo]

That's not an idea

Idea for me has two meanings:

• some form of concept. I usually avoid the word idea for this tho, it's misleading and concept works far better
• a "Heureka!" moment where your brain came up with a new thought

Neither of the two applies here

[wanton orchid]

"thoughts" not knowledge yet

So you are basically paraphrasing me because you someone try to avoid the following statements in my messages

and eureka is not used for simple thoughts btw

it's not for ideas
but for potential solution or even better : experience confirmed ones

you say "eureka" after seeing some calculations result
or actual implementation candidate

(being written down or not yet (but about to be))

[dire igloo]

And that's also a false understanding of both intuition and guessing.

Intuition is any thought process that happens without conscious thinking. It's your subconscious acting.
It can be influenced by experiences and knowledge, in fact that's where intuition comes from. When you're born, there is no intuition.

And with "guessing" I'm referring to assumptions you make about the future, including the very near future.
Even if everything in my brain tells me that I'm about to do the right thing, it can still turn out to be wrong.
It's an assumption I make. I believe that what I have gathered in my mind holds true for the present and the actions I'm about to perform.

Neither the intuitive part nor the guessing part is inherently bad - and combining them doesn't change that

[wanton orchid]

there is
but you simply don't have memory of it

thinking is not subconscious btw

at least that's not for what "thinking" word is used for

not at all

[dire igloo]

No, I don't. I never say "Eureka".
What you're referring to is an idea being put to practice and confirmed.
What I'm referring to is neurons firing to produce something new.

That's not related to ideology tho. You can't have an idea become an ideology.
However, you can have an ideal become part of an ideology - creating an image of how you think the world around you works

[wanton orchid]

it's even often used for the exact opposite of subconscious

[wanton orchid]

the image is what others are creating from it
i.e not from any actual experience

not personal by definition

but extrapolated by every other ones then

[dire igloo]

If thinking is limited to only those brain processes that you're consciously participating in, then it is still primarily determined by the subconscious.

And I'm using it to describe any decision process happening in the brain, both conscious and subconscious.
There is a subconscious non-reflex process that makes you decide what to do in a fight or flight situation

[wanton orchid]

once it been put to work in real life it's no longer an idea

the eureka is not applying to the original idea
but to the experienced result

[dire igloo]

Wha... What?
The only way for you to create that image is through experiences.

How else did you gain an understanding of how the world works?

[wanton orchid]

it is
and hopefully is
this include your instinct your reflexes your memories your knowledge and otherwise understanding
or in bogus mind from beliefs

[dire igloo]

Yes, correct.
Eureka is a bad example - but one to show what idea means

[dire igloo]

Again, reflexes are biological mechanisms. They're not part of any thought process. They happen because they happen.

Instinct and intuition are built from experience - you may not know why you feel that what you're about to do is right, but something that happened between your birth and the current moment taught you so

[wanton orchid]

idea lies in thought
that comes from what you experience
and your knowledge etc
everything have a name for a reason
it's different part of the processes
a steering wheel connects to tires yet it's not the same part
the two are link I agree

[dire igloo]

And again, you're using the false definition of belief

An idea can occur from both conscious and subconscious thought

[wanton orchid]

you keep claiming it's false then either argument in the direction of my arguments
or else mixes it with other already well named and defined things which don't apply to how the word is actually used

[dire igloo]

Ever experienced appetite for some food combination you have never tried or even heard of before?
Where did that idea of combining those foods come from?

[wanton orchid]

from, it's not it

[dire igloo]

The thing is:
What you are saying is correct. The labels that you apply are not.

The complex arrangement of knowledge and experiences is your ideology.
Any individual item in there is a belief.

In simple terms: a belief is something you hold to be true

[dire igloo]

And about the use of said words:
How people use it doesn't mean that it's correct

[wanton orchid]

past experiences and tastes and how you found that confortable afterwards
your belly brain is playing part of that
it's subconscious rooted but it's not the idea that's subconscious
you are very well consciously thinking about that idea

[dire igloo]

Exactly. An idea is a small isolated moment in time, it's not something that can be generalized into an ideology.

You're mixing ideas with ideals.

Idea = isolated burst of creativity
Ideal = generalized concept

[wanton orchid]

the schemes and context does define the word by descrimination
you can negate every uses which are contradictory (to themselves not to personal believes) because it otherwise would make that word useless
and if every uses is demonstrated useless then that word very well may be

[dire igloo]

There is a clearly defined use for that word in my mind.

People use that word to mean different things - and if that is contradictory or I deem it to be wrong, I will correct it

[wanton orchid]

and I'm doing that for all the thing you talk about btw
showing how it does not add up because the other things mixed in it both define what you are talking about better and also does not suffer the inconsistencies then

[dire igloo]

And circling back to what I quoted from Wikipedia: academia agrees with my definition of the word ideology, not yours

[wanton orchid]

the Wikipedia definition does not really disagree with mine
it's simply superficial

everytime you tried to define 'idea'
an other way than mine, you mixed it up with other things that you can't and didn't disagree on

[dire igloo]

Except you're specializing the word's meaning without having a collective term above.

Any system of beliefs is an ideology.
And anything you believe to hold true for the world around you is a belief.

There is no need to narrow it down to some discriminatory subsection - especially if this narrowing allows for hate to be spread ("looks at these ideologists, completely detached from reality").
If you want to narrow it down, go find a new word.

[wanton orchid]

you said the Genesis of an idea is at least partially rooted in subconscious
and I agree with that and explain the part of subconsciously playing in it
yet you said the idea itself is subconscious which contradicted yourself
what's creates something is not the thing to start with

[edgy hazel]

Do you want more passive-aggressive talks? Do you HATE pleasant conversations?
We'll then I have something for you!!

Join the #off-topic-tech channel of the satisfactory discord TODAY!

[night girder]

This time, it wasn't me. 🙈

[wanton orchid]

again if it's rooted in some reality
then go talk about these things rooted in reality
never needed to call anything "idealogy" then
someone else's idea is not your idea
what you can talk about though is the concret experience

[dire igloo]

Except it very clearly does when you narrowed down the word ideology.

As per your words, a mental system built exclusively upon personal experience can't be an ideology.
Except that's exactly what it is, a system of experiences and knowledge that you believe to be true for the world around you.
A system of beliefs.

You also narrowed down the concept of belief to something that's dismissive of new experience - when in reality, that's not what a belief is.

[dire igloo]

You misunderstood me then.

The concept of an idea isn't exclusive to either one of the two mind worlds. I have never attributed it to be exclusively one or the other.
There is no contradiction in how I talked about ideas - except for the "Eureka" part which was elaborated above.

[dire igloo]

Again. ideology isn't about ideas in the sense of momentary bursts of creativity.
It's about ideals, generalized concepts of how someone thinks the world works

Ideology derives from experience

There is no other way to describe the non-academic mental system that allows you to make educated decisions - other than an ideology

[wanton orchid]

I literally demonstrated it earlier everytime you tried to explain outside the toxic loop
it either fell outside on something way better named "knowledge" "understanding" "instinct" simple "ideas"
or implied and participated in the toxic loop somehow

[dire igloo]

An experience is an individual item in that system, so that term doesn't apply

[wanton orchid]

here

[dire igloo]

Which as I have tried to explain multiple times uses a definition of "intuitive guess" that doesn't fall under the definitions you posed

[wanton orchid]

idealogy is built with ideas as central building block
it's in the radical part of the word

[wanton orchid]

you never successfully demonstrated that to me
you used "ideas comes from this, so this is part of them" no it's part of what they come from period

a factory is not a part of a car
it's only a part of a car**'s creation**

[dire igloo]

idea - momentary burst of creativity, unrelated to the discussion
Understanding - subjective interpretation of a concept, too unspecific to describe what I define as an ideology
Instinct - subconscious system that gives you a sense of right and wrong. Only a part of an ideology, lacks the conscious portion
Knowledge - collection of experiences and academic understanding that's in your conscious mind. Also not applicable to my concept of ideology, lacks the subconscious part and the decision making system

[wanton orchid]

"idea unrelated to idealogy"

[dire igloo]

Exactly this.
The idea is a car.
A car can come from a fully automated factory that you have no understanding of or control over.
A car can also come from lengthy work in your personal workshop.

Both systems are part of the car's creation, but if you're talking about the process of making cars, the car itself is irrelevant.

[wanton orchid]

I'll stop the conversation here
this is turning ridiculous
especially considering how ideology express and is identified in practice

[dire igloo]

1. Ideology, not idealogy
2. As I have explained, ideals, not ideas

[dire igloo]

idk what an ideaL (very important distinction, this one L) would be in this scenario tho

[dire igloo]

Oh, I know where the issue is: there's another language barrier

As I have elaborated waaaaaaaay earlier, the word "idea" can mean two things.
A momentary burst of creative, the thought that had to be tried in reality to produce the "Eureka!" reaction.

And what you seem to be referring to: a generalized concept of something

[dire igloo]

"ideology" and "belief" to me are very very broad terms - which is why I also take issue with people specializing and misusing them.

You are confronted with a situation that warrants a decision.
You (subconsciously or consciously) scavenge your mind for anything that could apply.
You gather a bunch of personal experience, shared experience, academic research and related noise.
Through some mental process, all of these are evaluated and combined into a course of action that you BELIEVE to produce the best result in this given situation.
You apply this action to the situation and gain a new piece of experience to add to your collection.

The belief part is when you apply the mental system to reality - you believe it to give the best result.
You can't know this - that'd mean you could look into all possible future timelines.
However, you made an educated guess based on all the things you have in your mind.
This is what a belief is for me - something that you assume to be true for the situation you're confronted with. Not generally true for all eternity, but true for this moment.

Ideology is an abstraction.
This whole system, the entire decision making process, all the knowledge and experiences and intuition that go into it, they all combine to make your ideology.

And this is why I said that having no ideology and no beliefs is bad.
That would mean you have no way of making the right decision.

And that is also why I HEAVILY dislike the concept of ideology to be presented as something negative - having a flawed ideology is bad, but having some form of telling good from bad is actually incredibly good.

An ideology is simply a mental system that allows you to make a decision that you deem to be right

[night girder]

we need a dictionary bot in here, the amount of discussion revolving around words and interpretation is silly. While all the words have definitions accepted by the world. Some people still argue those words/definitions.

[twin dew]

Hmm... I might need to look into making a frankenmouse.
Getting some physically nice vertical mouse, and swapping the crap sensor etc. electronics into it from a good gaming mouse....

[night girder]

Is that... just gonna work? 🤔

Are sensors for mouse universal? Aka. You can swap one sensor out easily with another?

[twin dew]

No, meant full PCB swap

[night girder]

Aah, that makes more sense.

[twin dew]

Fiddly bit is physically getting the electronics source mouses lens assembly and PCB to fit into right place.

[night girder]

if PCB can fit

[twin dew]

In the target body.

[twin dew]

Can select a gaming mice with small or multiPCB design.

[night girder]

maybe just look for PCB itself? (if that exists)

so you can check specs more easily of width, height and depth.

[twin dew]

Not really. Cheap way would be in theory to buy one with broken main click switch or wheel issues.

But for example my current mouse (pic from internet where someone glues stone in for extra mass):

So only that main PCB would be needed, and then you could just remove those connectors for the button sub-PCB cables and solder directly.

[night girder]

I hope you don't get something like this.

seems harder to fit in a vertical mouse.

[twin dew]

Yeah, point would be to try to check the stuff before buying anything.

And even that EC1-C PCB would seem to be cuttable into two in theory.
There is upper portion with the sensor, and lower portion with rest of the electronics.
Would need some fiddly soldering to bridge, but done that before.

[night girder]

Sounds like a fun project.

[twin dew]

Not going to be happening that soon, but seed of the idea has now been planted.

Need to get somewhere to test few of the options in hand, then start checking net stuff for possible internal pics.

[night girder]

Why not buy a mouse that is vertical AND have good sensors?

Not possible to find?

[twin dew]

Because last time I checked, there weren't any that were for sale in Finland at least.

IIRC best I could find were with PMW 3310?

No, probably not even that, as that at least is in the "flawless if good firmware" category, and IIRC none got even into that.

[night girder]

There is the logitech lift 2. But cannot find sensor type besides: "Logitech Advanced Optical Tracking"

[twin dew]

And you can strip any wireless only mice from the list straight away...
Even if the actual data connection is over wireless, I want the constant power connection.

And with any Logitech mice, would need to replace all the switches too.

[narrow folio]

@twin dew maybe the Azeron Cyro is workink for you?

[twin dew]

That isn't vertical?
Just more buttons for normal mouse.

Meant this form factor (Logitech again as easy example)

But as the stuff is meant for work in most cases, they don't really have the specs for high enough DPI, or those good sensors that actually track the same amount for same movement independent of movement speed.

[narrow folio]

https://youtu.be/oKaTmkpDgn8?si=jmVDoCnXFf3mcNSf

it looks like a kinda-vertikal mouse/keypad combo

[sharp oasis]

It's literally in the home stretch. Then labour disruption.

[twin dew]

Yeah, somehow got stuff for Cyborg when looking for that Cyro.

[sharp oasis]

I have waited two months for this thing. And it's still getting hit by delays.

[twin dew]

Even with text about Cyro name.

Yeah, it was the blog post on Azerons own site, with just Cyborg pics in the header, and no pics of that Cyro.

Because my block settings didn't allow youtube embed to show.

[twin dew]

But that would be something I would never order without possibility to test in hand, and there is almost certainly no place in Finland with one to see.

[narrow folio]

I understand your hesitation, even though I have/use the Cyborg I'm too used to a normal mouse and will probably never find out if the Cyro would be a nice fit for the cyborg

[night girder]

Have you search for vertical gaming mouses? There are some really questionable designs out there.

And for $28.19... so I am skeptical for quality, materials used etc.

[twin dew]

Just checked the stuff I might have chance to try in my hand before buying.
So stuff only available outside of Finland haven't been on the list so far.
Yes, there are lot of china specials on internet.

[night girder]

I was just searching around on it and saw that mouse, it screams cheap.

Not suggesting it at all.

Just slap some RGB on a vertical mouse and you have gaming vertical mouse

[soft bloom]

Finger only points at the moon
And when saw the moon,
You should forget about finger

[soft bloom]

• mean philosophy talks by tech guys?
• always has been

That's why people need to relax and play TTP2
It's philosophical, but it's not rude

[night girder]

no it means if you untangle it, something else around the world will get tangled to keep it in balance 🤣

[sand saddle]

That's crazy that I can't find a single 3395 vertical mouse, imagined someone in China to have done it by now

Just ordered a new board game, Europa Universalis: The Price of Power
Could be one of the most complex games I'll own, hopefully will be fun.

Shit's massive

[turbid yoke]

it reminds me of risk

[sand saddle]

Playing time 1.5-6h 🫡

[wanton orchid]

my biggest fear of custom mouse mounts, is loose battery

[twin dew]

That is the point of vertical mice, having wrist in natural orientation and not turned 90 degrees all the time

[wanton orchid]

because batteries always have very bulky safety package, I dont see always how it can be sealed so it does not have parasitic dynamics when doing these advertised 50G accelerations

I dont have my mouse to have recoil

razer vyper pro v3 AAA when

[night girder]

That you playing?

[wanton orchid]

(the argument is probably it would be too heavy for such very light wheight mouse

[sand saddle]

No, as I just placed the order I'll be able to get it at the 2nd of January as the store's closed for 2 days now.

I VXE R1 Pro, lightweight af at only 49g, love mine

[night girder]

I might play dominion tomorrow. Not sure if you know that board game.

[sand saddle]

Nope

[night girder]

It's a basic deck builder but you can spice it up with expansions:

[sand saddle]

That EU board game is starting to look crazy. Just found an improved quick reference guide that's 6 A4 pages.

[gilded helm]

Dominion is good stuff

[soft bloom]

that's like asking if seatbelt will help after a car crash

[verbal raft]

Intel you will be missed 🫡

No i dont

But they keep getting themselves borked

🤷‍♂️

best analogy i have heard so far

They fired their best CEO of the last two decades

They ARE

They have 68 yachts yet they cry when they cant buy their 69 th

[gilded helm]

Faint praise. Not that firing Pat was the right move. But he had plenty of screwups, and his big mouth didn't help.

[verbal raft]

PAPAS HERE

Is that what you meant by big mouth? (Prolly not)

[gilded helm]

Pat overpromised on pretty much everything Intel released under his tenure.

Battlemage might have been the first time Intel set expectations well on his watch. Alder Lake was good too I guess.

But he owns Raptor lake in its entirety.

[verbal raft]

#14nm+++++++++

[verbal raft]

Raptor lake was good originally

[verbal raft]

But over time it... You know....

[gilded helm]

Raptor Lake shouldn't exist. It only does because Meteor Lake was delayed and not viable for desktop. And then Arrow Lake didn't even manage a good follow up.

[verbal raft]

Khmmm

[soft bloom]

I somehow will squise this topic into tech:
does music need to be complex or technically accurate to be enjoyable?

[gilded helm]

No. A lot of artists hate that filler songs they made at the behest of business people are their most successful.

[soft bloom]

aside from busines side
there's plenty of enthusiasts who strive for perfect performance and complex techniques

like, the simplicity of Outer Wilds OST

although, it should be an outlier by many atributes
it was developed with the game
Andrew had plenty of time and clear vision of what the game is like
with close live interaction with devs
and like... camping in space? I don't think there many exmaples of that from the past

we can all hate YT algorithms
but sometimes they deliver

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=DrIQLiB3HPI&si=9yv1Fuu9KtoWd9W0

because?..

i didn't ask aobut yt music

[willow pike]

wat

[languid gulch]

i bet gelsinger saw the reports of the fresh failure rates, that the "fix" has done nothing, & isn't about to be the CEO that has to declare Intel's bankruptcy

[gilded helm]

Was Pat ever successful at securing foundry customers?

[languid gulch]

no idea

[gilded helm]

There's no single thing you can point to that killed Pat, but it's been a running joke how long Intel has been trying to sell capacity.

[soft bloom]

1. What gives us udnerstanding that 'people in power' are the culprit?
2. regardless of their contribution, what drives their view of what is good and what is uncertain or bad?

YT is very quick to react to what I talk about here, haha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dBy4-6pn1M
also I have no idea why it's about middle east
(this is tech because couple of nerds talk about economy that impacts technologies, also this is quote of another nerd)

[wanton orchid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9vLnNOBaSs
Experiencing, the real failed motherboard

[soft bloom]

basically why I shared.
(the rest of political context can be ignored)

[soft bloom]

looks epic

[twin dew]

Cannot really happen before 2027 or so.
Intel fabs currently use nonstandard design toolkits.
Work is in progress to get industry standard following ones made for the nodes, but that work is only expected to be completed in 2027 or so.
And then it would be about a year to implement existing design for Intel fabs, several years to implement new design.

That was what Pat started.

[gilded helm]

What does non-standard even mean in the context of tsmc versus Intel versus Samsung?

I'm not disputing that Intel's design kits are difficult to work with, that word of mouth is out there. But is there some standards body that Intel is ignoring?

[twin dew]

What EDA/ECAD programs can be used.
For older nodes Intel uses completely own set with no support from industry standard programs.
Intel 18A can be used with basically all the standard ones.
But the work to allow older nodes to be used with standard programs is ongoing.

[soft bloom]

are there good algo for like finding local minimum etc?
there must be
surprised chatgpt is not suggesting anything good on related topic
only linear search, and when asked for something more along the lines of binary search it is clueless...
basically, I want to find a param X that when plgged into function F yields value Y (that isn't actually a local minimum or solution it shouldn't matter that much)

[twin dew]

Cannot find better image version, so sorry for low resolution:

So basically chip designers would need to learn new programs and new workflows to do designs for older gen Intel processes, if even Intel would release the necessary internal programs for other companies.

When for every other foundry, they use same programs, just with foundry specific rule sets etc.

[gilded helm]

If Intel could compete on cost maybe it would make sense for external customers to figure out the design process. But obviously it doesn't. I'm pretty sure I recall that they've been searching for external customers since before Pat.

[twin dew]

Well, exact node specific rule sets.

[soft bloom]

ok so when i ask it outside of context of the problem it finally yield good answer

I meant to say 'bisection'

lmao

all i needed was a bit of scipy.optimize.brentq

[soft bloom]

lmao, it just tries to be stupid so dam hard

just someone hardcoded that day is 24 hours long and it really struggles to think otherwise

[dire igloo]

Not saying they're the culprit, but the question simply is: if it's known to be overall beneficial, why hasn't it been changed yet?
And the simple answer is: whoever is in the position to implement such a change has an interest not to do so.

And about number 2: idk

[twin dew]

Intel tried to do minimal EUV steps originally.
And some of the steps that they didn't upgrade didn't really work with the older tech in the end.

[soft bloom]

what a weird shape solar day longevity has

[tribal kraken]

oh yeah its noon.. solar panels have peaked for today about 100w power for an hour so about 0.1kWh produced. Its been nice weather so theres no snow on them.

Whole December 6kWh.. could not run my PC for a day even it's now energy efficient with AMD 🤣

Its 7kW total power install, half of the panes facing east and other half west

[tribal kraken]

Ship anchors are the worst now

[glossy glacier]

No wonder everybody in the US is cooking with gas. If it takes water 10min to heat, I don't want to imagine how long it would take to cook a meal with an electric stove
(Yes I know it wouldn't take that much longer)

[tribal kraken]

Yeah.. we have 100k€ steel structures laying on workshop yard that cannot be shipped to Kazakhstan because the final destination is most likely Russia and then under export ban..

[soft bloom]

I just realised that, technically, if sun would disssapear, that day would never end
because there's not thing complete rotation relative to

[tribal kraken]

I'm my definition of a day, it ends when the sun disappears 🤣

[soft bloom]

but that's the thing - earth can continue spinning... day still won't end

[soft bloom]

there are 3 definitions of day

calendars are crazy mad inventions

[tribal kraken]

Yes I know, I am in Finland just 400km away from the arctic circle, but even if I go there the the polar day and night in winter and summer, are just days 😄

Yeah, UV is bad but Sun is easy. Usually I burn my neck or arms with "quick little weld" on mig/mag welder

on t-shirt

This is how I go out. (actually to see eclipse in june 2021)

[soft bloom]

is there observer to particle created on opposite sides of black hole? yet we think they exist

[willow pike]

https://tenor.com/view/interstellar-crying-gif-25949281

[wanton orchid]

ah yes, the 360 day years

[twin dew]

Mews live for the solar days?
So it is the rest that are for rest of us.

[visual tree]

How much do solar panels cover your electricity bills? I was also considering getting solder panels

They make sense here though because we mostly have sunny weather and snow is rare

My roof is tilted west/east so I would have to buy 2 or 3 additional solar panel modules to compensate for bad orientation

This July, we had hot sunny days for consecutive 21 days and the AC was blowing whole day

We have 4 air conditioners in the house, bought a new AC this summer and plan on replacing 2 or 3 older AC with new mitsubishi ones

toshiba AC is a total crap 💩

I'm still pissed at my dad because he disassembled the old AC in order to sell it as a scrap metal and probably released freon in the air

At least new air conditioners use R32 which is harmless

Here is my consumption in the last year btw (ignore the tariff typo):

[tribal kraken]

Just a sec and I can show you whole year, I think its about 5000kWh from the panels, May-August is actuall good and some of the solar panel production is sold to grid

~4300kWh/y past 2 years. Panels were installed Aug 2022. The house has diesel/wood central heating and the solar power is used to help it on heating the water.

[visual tree]

Nice, online calculators suggest 4.5 or 4.8 kWh solar panel installation for my house which is an investment of around €5.500,00

*without government subsidies

lol

My HVAC technician recommended getting a heat pump water heater and a small gas boiler for radiators considering my house situation (a heat pump for warm water and heating is not worth it because I would have to remove the flooring and run new pipes)

I have a large gas boiler atm and it's very expensive to repair it when something breaks because it has an internal water tank and is connected to radiators which means 2 water pumps (one for sanitary water and the other one for radiators)

Cost me €370 to replace a broken pump this April

District heating is mostly used by apartment buildings, houses have natural gas

Also, my HVAC technician would connect ducts to a heat pump so I can use waste cooling for cooling the home

[tribal kraken]

www.lanair.com/ this is common here too.. Nice black gold you get out of machines when servicing 😄

[visual tree]

Heat pump is one of the most efficient ways of heating/cooling your home

[tribal kraken]

Yeah, I've Bosch heat pump here at workshop office/changing room. It can cool this area alone summer time but the whole workshop is diesel heated for winter

[visual tree]

I think most new air conditioners can both heat and cool the room

[wanton orchid]

yes because that's somehow also how they handle efficient variable rate cooling apparently

[verbal raft]

first time in a month..........

[verbal raft]

peak FPS doubler

[pure karma]

No path tracing? Because thats way higher than what im getting with m’y 4070ti

Iv seen as low as 2fps lol

[verbal raft]

no PT

ppl blame him for honey?

have you had a 4K monitor? tbf i havent

they did know before anyone else

that spoke of it or had the ability to tell the story

i think its fair to complain when you have a 4080 / 7900XTX / XT /4090

OH R.I.P.

Yeah SURE CAN

(not)

[soft bloom]

"on opposite sides"

I'm not sure if what i talk about is connected to Hawking's radiation tbh.
I almost remember it being different, independent thing

Yeah you literally can't wait for it. Like a cat

[tribal kraken]

Those all are just theory, reality is that we dont really know

[mental oriole]

maybe we are

[mental oriole]

I hereby announce I managed to crash task manager

[soft bloom]

were vertical mouse always SO expensive?

[pure karma]

easy job iv done it twice this week

[tribal kraken]

I only play at 4K 144Hz, or triple monitor 1440p or Pimax 8KX VR.. Switched to 4K with RTX3090 and the games I play can reach 144 fps fine (PUBG) or 60 fps (farming sim or satisfactory) or 90 fps VR. (iracing and many more racing titles) And 4090 does it even easier. Never used DLSS frame generations or other gimmicks . Only thing I dont like is VR.. it's unfinished and many tine can't get expected resultsand it's uncomfortable

[wanton orchid]

I'm sick of these things, hawkin is good for magazines
and talking about the "technical" thing, hawkin theories are based on a conception of blackhole as completely closed and opaque things
so anything mixing "hawking" and "black hole" imply fully opaque black hole theory, and so never should be mixed with anything that talk about "what's inside"
there is no inside in hawking theories

and on the wider spectrum of things, most -not very specific- theories, imply or workaround or explain that a blackhole is basically almost virtual "device" or object or thing
basically in simple term : the blackhole is an optical effect, or "illusion" object

and most talk especially wide public ones, miss a lot of context and accounting of very big scale effects, and distance, and shape of time and space

tldr: keep in mind a blackhole is effectively an extreme version of a gravitational lense

that's why I throw some hate at talking too muc about things without ever getting in actual consistent details

it's superficial and very baity

very likely (and very often) misleading

[sharp oasis]

lord have mercy on my 6900xt

[pure karma]

power bill getting desperate?

[sharp oasis]

Real

It pulls like 400w with an oc

But is actually hella good preforming

[pure karma]

☝️ me looking at my cpu rn playing cyberpunk

[sharp oasis]

I have yet to test cyberpunk

[pure karma]

only been unstabel once so far so il call it a pass

[sharp oasis]

But ready or not went from 80fps 1440p with fsr quality to 170fps same settings

Before oc

[pure karma]

my framerate is so all over the place my fps lock isent even working lmao

[wanton orchid]

on the brighter side of things:
being very specific, context aware, and skeptical
does not remove the magic from stuff of this kind
black hole are still legendary things even to the most realist scientist
as at least as much as nebula nova and quasars

and I do have some very specific ideas about the shortcomings of common bkackhole and space theories .. which imply wormhole is much more possibly a thing than we currently think scientifically
.. and so "space time travel"
and also "what's inside black hole" too
it does remove a bit of mysterious, but still is mind blowing as much as Sun actually bending light of close star still is

[sharp oasis]

I just need a better cpu now as my poor cpu rn

100w powerdraw in games

[pure karma]

whatchu got

[sharp oasis]

5800x

It's aight. Some games are starting to decimate it

(stalker 2)

[pure karma]

not half bad but yea might be time for a upgrade if you need the extra core count

[sharp oasis]

Cache might be nice

[pure karma]

iv hit 100% full boar in a few games with my 13700K so the extra cores were defedently worth it

[sharp oasis]

Might wait till 9800x3d has a bundle

My 6700XT vs my 6900XT OCF

[wanton orchid]

btw people praying for our "God the Sun" are much more grounded in real life (at least indirectly) than most people currently think
we are living a very arrogant human generation

[soft bloom]

I thought maybe I would buy one since the one I have isfrustrating with the broken mousewheel

black holes are just erasers of matter
there's no matter inside of it

[wanton orchid]

a black hole in itself, is beyond simple matter
matter is around these things, inside these things
blackholes are tied to gravity itself

you can't say "a black hole is made of"
like you would say "this fork is made of steel"

[soft bloom]

imagine you have a sophisticated game engine
like in OnI but more detailed, with smaller voxels (well, you might want particles), and in 3D
what would you observe if you just deleted a bunch of batter, effectively creating vacuum
do you even need event horizon to observe how matter get's squished?
Maybe you would put an attraction force to make it more fun, sure

[wanton orchid]

if you really need 3d analogies :
magnetic field is not made of electrons

[wanton orchid]

it's not vacum
these voxels would be empty voxels but still voxels
black hole is about how you calculate your voxels grid coordination

hint :
black hole are pretty much part of what defines matter itself
but on a great scale instead of very small scale like most scientist are used to work with currently

"zoom in zoom in"
plot twist if you zoom in enough on a black hole you don't see black hole nowhere anymore

(at least not this one)

maybe it could become it who knows
at least we are important enough for comets to visit our solar system

let's pretend we do not as a group
so it can realize itself then
we are all cells of a sick organism

[sharp oasis]

Deshrouded

[tribal kraken]

But space travel so far is reality, proven and seen facts. Black holes and other cosmic stuff not found near (in our solar system) us is just guessing work with wild theories

[wanton orchid]

"is this black matter ?" with meme template moment

I don't

it's too early

we are not mature enough yet

(I'm very serious btw)

yet

yes

but we are touching the evolving string

but it's a dangerous and chaotic game

last millennials as been cycle of forward and backwards
and it's accelerating

fuck ai
it's a small computing part
only marketing made a so big bubble

making all your software ai based is a technical dept

[wanton orchid]

but big companies don't care about technical dept currently

it's all rush and bait

but one can laugh sarcastically
because it will always clap back hard

[wanton orchid]

it's also mostly a legal bait for corruption backdooring and free data harvesting

it's the classical moment of "it's not a chair mister, so it's not illegal, it's only a complex structure of wood tissues, technology ™️ "

".. which serve to rest one butt on"

not a chair for sure

most people already regret
it simply does not automatically transfer to humanity behavior as a whole
humanity is alcoholic in a way (not talking about alcohol but about toxic consumption while you know it's toxic)

do you think everyone feel it's convenient to get scammed every other day
struggle to actually get marketed delivery
being lost in all this shit ?
everyone is at least feeling a taste of "something's not right"

https://tenor.com/view/lil-jon-party-fall-through-ceiling-turn-down-for-what-gif-9612511684038045264

there is magic and magic (bait and distraction or complex and unpredictable living)
we all want the academic bullshit washing to dissipate

In some way you can think of moon and tree along with our lives to be the most basic magical things we got
it's humanity simply is currently wasted

and people try to find "magic" (escape to get along these things of life) from the current corruption at every single level
remember metropolis people sometimes can't even touch trees

[soft bloom]

ISP turned off the traffic at around 2 am
Which means they operate by UTC+0, lmao

[verbal raft]

[verbal raft]

TF IS THIS

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMUDVMiITOU

if brain rot was a music video 🤣

[verbal raft]

now i have tto get my weekly dose of brain rot

you know what

NO too much

monkey brain won😭😭

[languid gulch]

it's so bad it's good

[verbal raft]

YES

[languid gulch]

if monty python was a music producer today 🤣

[languid gulch]

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/12/whistleblower-finds-unencrypted-location-data-for-800000-vw-evs/?comments-page=1#comments

[pure karma]

cant lie the 7700K not having win11 support at all despite meeting the requirements is a shame

[languid gulch]

has windows ever had an edition that they designed specifically not to work with older CPUs?

[sharp oasis]

@pure karma so uhh. My 6900XT likes to super consume power.

480w max sustained draw so far

I currently unofficially hold the record for highest score on timespy for air cooled 6900XT's

25675pts gpu

This thing is outrunning oced 3090ti's

[languid gulch]

my 6800XT is shockingly consistent when maxxed out. 275W

[sharp oasis]

The difference between my old 6700XT and this thing is just mmmm.

Tho this thing screams constantly as it's pulling like 370-400w in games.

[wanton orchid]

obviously

I mean

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

at some point people have to learn

now they will tell you they got robbed of unprotected data with a "unsecured, look there" red light sign

"look, it happens, it happened to almost every other frien..hrm I mean companies"

[languid gulch]

"we've all put ur most secure corporate data on an unencrypted notepad file, amirite?

[pure karma]

Oh defedently… it wouldent surprise me at all

[pure karma]

How the fu…..

Did you shunt it or smt

[sharp oasis]

No

SSPT.

I now have it enabled to do 506w

[safe trench]

sigma

[safe trench]

https://tenor.com/view/skibdi-skibidi-toilet-toilet-ryan-gosling-gif-10204004380432191602

[hazy smelt]

can you still buy new RTX 2060s

[twin dew]

Only if someone has old stock still on shelves unsold.

Nvidia has even stopped manufacturing at least upper end 4000 series in preparation to releasing 5000 series.

And will stop producing 4060s at least few months before 5060 is released.

[soft bloom]

this video was in my recomendataion and WL list for sooo long. actually poping out numerous times
and finally I started watching it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C12BPRykm-Q
And the fact that people made up and spread and believe the story of overflow agression is ... bruh
(well actually at least there's Wiki article now acknowledging that)
reminds me of how people try to find plausible explanation for why earthquake activity is rising, actively denying evidence...

especially funny when people excercise "critical thinking" and google until the first "reliable" source stating something what they expected and just stop there, while there's public data, accessible thorough analysis, articles and also ability to grab the data and do couple of histograms yourself

[soft bloom]

Anyone here has idea how to cut a square hole in furniture?

[twin dew]

Depends on size.
Either by making starter hole(s) and then sawing, or with special square drill.

Square Hole Mortise Chisel Drill Bit

[languid gulch]

or you drill a hole the diameter of the square you want, then chisel out the rest

[twin dew]

Or with just chiseling from starter hole.

[soft bloom]

Size that is beyond single drill

Aka 10x10 cm

[twin dew]

So starter hole and some kind of saw.

[languid gulch]

is it a through hole?

[twin dew]

Then chisel/file to finish.

[languid gulch]

starter hole, then jigsaw

[soft bloom]

That seems like a way to go
And I started a bit of practice
The drill tip I tried couldn't do it or I didn't try hard enough

[soft bloom]

I have the vertical saw electric thingy here
So i guess i need big enough hole to fit the blade.
And how to get to the angle without doing sacrificial hole there?..

[languid gulch]

offset the starter hole

chisel out the corner as the final act

[twin dew]

And the starter hole doesn't even need to be near the edge.

Just allows you to start using a jigsaw or like to expand into that to be removed area.

[languid gulch]

and something like a drywall/jab saw

[soft bloom]

So i bend(curve) the path to get to the edge?

[languid gulch]

yup

[twin dew]

And if you for example first do 8x8cm hole in the middle, and only then go for the final 1cm on each edge.

You can use doing that 8x8 as practice for the final.

Or even do smaller ones first as more practice to see what works best.

Or practice with cheap raw lumber etc.

[languid gulch]

can also do a series of holes with a drill, then chisel them out to be a place to start a saw

[soft bloom]

Would chisel even work on that kind of wood?

[twin dew]

Or just do almost everything with series of holes and then finish with chisel for the edges.

Not well, because that isn't wood.

Chipboard?

[soft bloom]

Ye

[twin dew]

But basically makes sawing really easy.
And need to go more to a metal saw type to not just rip the edges apart.

[soft bloom]

Larger drill tip doesn't seem to work well

[twin dew]

Wood drills or metal drills?

And if wood, which type?

[soft bloom]

Well, edges aren't much of a concern as long as it's just a couple mm of finish being torn.

[twin dew]

Spade or spiral.

[soft bloom]

I have no idea unfortunately
A bunch of those

[twin dew]

Metal drills

Probably for iron/steel, ones for aluminium would have different cutting angles.

But as the difference is only 10 degrees IIRC, cannot be seen in single pic.

Would need spiral type wood drills for chipboard.
Spade/blade type will just make a mess.

Spiral/auger

That small edge bit cuts and then the inside gets torn up in case of chipboard, but that doesn't matter anymore as the that deeper cut edge prevents it from spreading.

In the cheaper spade type ones, the edge precut isn't deep enough.

[soft bloom]

That took 3 tips
Initial narrow
Then largest - got stuck midway
Took a bit smaller one, probably was "more pointy"
And finished with largest
The sound wasn't pleasant.inside looks alright but outside is torn, especially on the back...

Not sure I will take time to buy a drill tip for this job

But i can look for better match

[twin dew]

Putting tape on the backside helps.
Same for placing then some extra wood there too.

1-phase 63A input in this apartment.

[soft bloom]

Clear tape or that yellow kind?
It probably needs to torn easily

[twin dew]

More robust the better.

[soft bloom]

I think 20? And multiple lines possible?

[twin dew]

Point is to make the backside not "give out" from the downward pressure.

So the chipboard backside doesn't chip, but gets cut.

3x63A to 3x100A would be normal for a house IIRC.

Just the oven is 1x25A...

For breaker.

How is insulating or insulation related to three-phase AC input?

Uses exact same physical wire stuff as running single-phase...
Just using 5 (3 phases, neutral, ground) wires instead of 3 (1 phase, neutral, ground).

With ground merged with neutral in some parts of the wiring.

And in this case it is 3-phase to the building, but just one phase per apartment, so differrent apartments get feed from different phase.

And if it is 3-phase to apartment/house, different rooms get different phases into the AC outlets as 1-phase, and big users get direct 3-phase.

You can just do that same as here in this older apartment, 3-phase to buildings, 3-phase with large enough feed per apartment.
But that limit to low max amperage per apartment was from that building feed or in-building common wiring being too low max current.

So there wasn't spare capacity to upgrade your apartment main feed to larger size, without also updating that building shared wiring and building main electrical cabinet.

It is just that 3-phase input to ovens etc. is more efficient than 1-phase, but not necessary.

So normally that 1x 25A in older places, and then 3x16A input in newer builds.

[soft bloom]

Oh my. The cover is getting destroyed

[twin dew]

Yeah, there is just very shitty glue between it and the chipboard.

And that looses the contact, and then the cover tears up.

[soft bloom]

Discord not in the mood to send pics today. It just forgets

[twin dew]

Like I said earlier, jigsaws will just tear with chipboard.

Again, robust tape might help.

And using metal saw in there instead of that wood one.

[soft bloom]

It seems to helped completely at the other side. Didn't think to apply it here. This is the side that won't be seen.

[soft bloom]

This got me confused

[twin dew]

Yeah, with that cut direction, the other side gets pulled "into" to board, so doesn't chip, but this side gets pulled up and out.

[soft bloom]

I don't have the type of saw showed earlier in chat. Only with supporting arc 😦

[soft bloom]

Huh, makes sense

[twin dew]

Jigsaw sawblade meant for metal, instead of that one in the pic that is meant for wood.

But ok, those aren't that much better, still giant sawteeth.

But basically for chipboard, you would want smallest sawteeth.
When for wood those are usually very big.

[twin dew]

And that tape gives extra strength too.

In normal saws, metal saws have much smaller teeth, and usually are "wavy" from side to side, to make wider channel than the main saw blade width.

But those smaller teeth also help to not tear up more sensitive materials, as area each touches and cuts is smaller.

[soft bloom]

Tht was me trying the one on the right, because it's for curves

[twin dew]

Yeah, that is best for that, but the 1.2mm one next to it would probably tear least.

[soft bloom]

Yep. Coming next

[twin dew]

And trying to use that 4mm teeth pitch one would just tear everything XD

[soft bloom]

Tape helps.
That's same blade.
Didn't try enough curve 😦
That tear is from me pulling it half way through because it got stuck when I tried to get it back

[soft bloom]

I almost tried 3mm one

[twin dew]

Great for making fast work on real wood, but would cause bad quality edges even with that.

[soft bloom]

But i couldn't fit it 🙂
Now i got the head detached and realize i tried too hard

Waaay better

So i probably need to curve to the edge ... That blade is very wide.
And with actually 8 angles... To change blade every time I turn?
Hmmmm

[twin dew]

Make first that smaller bad quality hole inside the final holes bounds.
And then you can do more deliberate cuts from that area to the final edges.

[soft bloom]

If only you saw the shape, haha

I don't understand...
I have 8 sides thing to aim at. Angles can be smooth.
But how to transition from smaller hole to final? And what that gives?

Bruh the frustration from Discord forgetting oictures i take within is just.... Aaaaaa

[twin dew]

Remember you can cut wedges out.
And even saw 90 degree to the final edge, stopping just before the final wanted edge.

So you start from middle, make bad cuts to get room for the blade.
Then got for the rest.

[soft bloom]

Or you mean like taking final cuts like steps 1 2 3?

[twin dew]

In smaller bits.

You can for example do this kind of thing to get that triangle out:

[soft bloom]

Ok. But I don't see exactly how then I will go for the straight side/edge

[night girder]

Yeah, I was out with friend 😄

[soft bloom]

Maybe I just don't realize the full moveset 🙂

[twin dew]

Point was, that you can do just lot of cuts from the center to almost the edge, and then file/sand the final edge.

Side by side.

And not even try to make the final edge as one cut along that edge.

[night girder]

🤷‍♂️

Yeah ofc.

snacks, blankets, sitting outside (porch) in the cold with some coffee. Was fun.

[wanton orchid]

what about putting holes regularly to finish edge with opposite direction cutting ?

I mean doing only that is probably tedious too
but you can probably do a in between mix of all this to make it easy AND efficient

meanwhile I wonder if I'll have enough money in the future to access the next city

tough times

my biggest problem is health lately

I'm worn out by all the shit

[soft bloom]

Let's say i have this.
I don't see how to grind the edges if i jig-saw-cut em...

[soft bloom]

What's opposite direction cutting? )

[twin dew]

As idea what to do.

[soft bloom]

Access city?

[soft bloom]

Oh, turning it to dust, hehe

[twin dew]

Yes.

[wanton orchid]

I'm not to complain too much about health system here
apart from obvious health system corruption in my region (professional even keep leaving for somewhere else, making health access even more complicated)

but I'm personally not in good shape for burn out reasons basically (but it does impact general health at this point, and I can't have much help)

[twin dew]

Basically making a comb of cut and uncut, then removing the left-overs, and then sanding the edge.

[wanton orchid]

it's comical to the point the only bone professional I had review me in my life died of heart attack

[wanton orchid]

moving is expensive

[wanton orchid]

actually sad, that person knew its shit

when I'm saying corruption
I'm talking about last minute sudden service job exchanges / "promoting" level of shit
and even complete disrespect and manipulation of contract laws for labor contracts even
and I unfortunately know what I'm talking about

[soft bloom]

There's no precision in this task

I need to stop putting the thing out while it's still working

*rotating

[twin dew]

Oscillating

[soft bloom]

I don't think I can do the curves i imagine

[twin dew]

Not that well inside the wood, but at finishing stages with 45 degree blade angle to the line you are cutting you can do sideways etc.

Moving the jigsaw sideways to the sawblade direction.

[soft bloom]

What a training exercise, haha

I don't think I can harm the blade, but it doesn't feel like turning much while visibly bending

[soft bloom]

Yep.
When I was preparing to leave the country it basically was like "and then i will take a loan to begin living whenever"

To surprise of noone the blade heats up
To my surprise it heats up a lot

I think i did

Not much but that hurts for too long

Mmm, red notrhern lights in Ukraine, again

This became somewhat mundane

[wanton orchid]

Northern ?

[twin dew]

Aurora Borealis

[wanton orchid]

I never could
this is why it's so hard psychologically
it's not like older generation
I literally never had peaceful moment
in my whole fucking life
3 times I officially could move 3 times I got scammed out of it
even in my childhood school I was already facing corruption
I'm not really complaining
but it's a matter of fact here
I never had ever any option yet, any choice to make to get out
maybe I could start making some here if I was not half baked because of wear and lack of good experience in my life
more than 20 years of shit I'm basically fighting shit every fucking day (these days it's only every week, but I'm tired)

and how come I didn't get help from family or something you would ask
well even there it's a bad mix of fucked up bad luck AND the system problems are rooted back several generations back actually
otherwise it would not be so bad
it's at least pre ww2 rooted problems

(tldr: my family also got issues)

it's at least national wide problems
but it gets a twisted taste in my region
and on top of that I didn't get lucky at all

there is worth than my situation
but the lies and deception is really wearing a fucking lot
way more than knowing it's gonna be shit upfront like lot of people of my age had to face

and they mostly didn't get as bad luck in other things like : social relationships, school, family situations

[soft bloom]

I know, right?
And it's red again

Now to do the final 2 corners...

[wanton orchid]

[soft bloom]

I didn't expect this much left drag tbh. And feels like laser is lying too

[wanton orchid]

this is an other comical level of luck
one of my parents got critical health problems
but instead of simply having to fight their problems and not be helpful
they are actually doing a bad job at fight and somehow still find ways to annoy and sometimes even hurt me on top of it

I just want to share how unshareable the picture is

[soft bloom]

I think I should have weared mask all the time i was cutting...

[wanton orchid]

I lived in this
it does not hurt as much as for one who start witnessing things like this later in their lives
otherwise I would probably went extremely wrong if ever alive before 20years later

but I have to tell you that it's not so simple

[soft bloom]

Somehow, I understand.

The opening thought for 2025 for me was: (continuing) viving (existence) in 2025 is a blessing or a curse?
Many people feel the shit, many are tired of it.
But if didn't get nuclear fuck yet, perhaps, there's reason to find hope

[wanton orchid]

one could even watch superficially my current situation and say it's not that bad
without knowing about the fight

: yes I know it's not that bad
I think I didn't do that bad of a job at fighting

but it's what's fucking frustrating : it's "not that bad anymore"
but I'm half dead inside and struggle figuring out how to capitalize on that in the end

[soft bloom]

With war I thought that bottom line is being occupied, or leaving your destroyed city/home to ask for food in naother city still in your own country only to find that fellow citizens made money by raising rent prices to sky.

Then I learned about ... Certain organizations. How people in china forcefully become organ donors just because they had different beliefs.

The more you know...

Find what gives you strength, what makes you just fuck all the shit you have seen and do the right thing. Because you might not wake up tomorrow

[soft bloom]

The bar for "not that bad" only depends on what you know about, what you didn't forget.
So it really doesn't matter.
But if you know examples of people getting through despite obstacles - that can give strength.

[wanton orchid]

I didn't get first part of your message

I'm physically and mentally broken these days
I'm still fighting I don't know other way anyway
but while I put wood where their was rock
my punches lost some of its strength too
if it's like this is because shit still there even if more spaced which still remove most of option for recovery (on the brighter side, I do know I'm recovering very fast when I have the option to, even if less so fast lately; I simply also had bad stuff happening regularly)

[soft bloom]

Was referring to you "someone could say it's not that bad"
Meant that you might only know that (eridiculous examples) not having breakfast in bed is bad, or that not having tzar to rule for you is scary. But you also might forget that democracy is not everywhere or that internet is not cheap in developed countries. Etc
When we judge ourselves based on emotional getting burned can be almost end of the world

Just explained what I meant. But it's about diminishing

Everyone has struggles of some kind

[night girder]

Fucking google.

Lowest price is 24.99 from this store. Click. And then you find a lower price from amazon.

[wanton orchid]

but then I feel like you are skipping the end of my message

[night girder]

And Enshittification continues.

[soft bloom]

It was worth it?

[wanton orchid]

"but it's what's fucking frustrating : it's "not that bad anymore"
but I'm half dead inside and struggle figuring out how to capitalize on that in the end"

simply knowing does not automatically translate to being able to capitalize

[soft bloom]

Perhaps a bit much tolerance on long end. But otherwise quite good

[wanton orchid]

as I said it's easier when you know something will be shit upfront

[soft bloom]

It's more about tricking yourself to shift perspective.
What do you do in game when you feel like it's lost and just a question of time?

[wanton orchid]

lot of people get fucked up shit
but it's not that common for it to stay consistently fucked up on long chain of events and comboing with background of missing important features in your life

[soft bloom]

I feel you

And the answer is: that isn't an answer.
Finding what makes people overcome obstacles, even fatal ones - will give an answer

[wanton orchid]

it's not always easy to evaluate what you have at your hand to plan it out

[night girder]

well buy the game. it has expansions 😄

[wanton orchid]

and if it's what you thought : no it's not guess work
something are very dangerous
you don't have multiple tries
you have to not "always get the opportunities you have" blindly
or "trying out the method someone else used in this situation"
every situation is different
and when a lot of features are missing
lot of backup already blacked-out
you have to still make it slowly
which means it's still shit and painful until who knows when

and it's not material

it's also psychological

and social

what I meant about knowing upfront, have several impact :

• you will not plan and invest in something that will fail for fucked up reasons
• you will not plan around an unattainable goal
• you will seek life choices that are at a low level of expectations

I'm not in this situation
I have high expectations
high goals
and (extremely) high personal investment at play

because I could
because I still can
but somehow life still find ways to deceive

you know about the sunk cost fallacy ?
I'm not in the sunk cost fallacy side of things
what remains to invest still is worth it somehow
but the whole picture is not at all
all my life is sunk cost

somewhat

[soft bloom]

Despite not having "another try"
You often can try later at something else.
People have to make "mistakes"
Although calling them like that is not fair

[wanton orchid]

not being Luigi takes a sensible part of my mental health work
and sadly I'm dead serious for that

it's part of what slows me down lately

[soft bloom]

I could send book recommendation in dm

[wanton orchid]

my point is when "tries" already fell for fucked up reasons
you do not have so much dices left

[soft bloom]

Ofcourse

I don't say that there's magical way to not take risks

I say that best strategy is to still try

You might loose more from decision paralysis

And if you write about all this, you probably have enough anxiety already

[wanton orchid]

I have no choices but to still try anyway
but figuring how
is basically playing 4d chess with my own acquired psychological issues at this point

if my goal was to become drug dealer then it would be easy peasy

I'm not giving up about anything

yet I'm failing at not being a zombie for yet an other month for some reason

[wanton orchid]

I got approached btw 😂
these guys have eyes sometimes
probably not even about drug actually even

what about pain killers ?

I'm talking about stuff like crime organization

tattoos and subtly not random talk and timing and location you know

I never was naive but I still had to learn even more stuff every years

I thought I could just be myself and train

but I was not so unnoticed then

because I trained
I may not have gotten noticed by "tattoo guy friends"
and because I wasn't so unnoticed to "tattoo guy friend":
I also probably got noticed by "official badge buddy workgroup"
also because training without being friend with some "official badge buddy group member" is uncommon

oh that sucks you're strong man

[wanton orchid]

and that wasn't expected when I decided to train myself
because officially and socially there was no issue with this
except not for people in my situation apparently
I didn't have right for training in peace apparently

I used to live with cats

oh btw the cat I loved in my childhood (officially mine) was killed by a neighbor family 😂

life is full of plot twists

I simply wish it would not so often be against me

not all but they are living their life as much as they can
I do understand them and usually we work well together

[wanton orchid]

that's my main issue currently :
"what will be the next plot twist ?"
it already chained so many virtually unrelated fucked up twists
and with perfect timing too mostly

the twist do give me fucked up assets too btw
it just so fucking find ways to prevent me from capitalizing on them yet

like about training
I also trained with "different tattoo guy"

like actually ?

you mean TiO2 ?

because of weak bones ?

isn't it like one of the worst level of crohn ?

[soft bloom]

but you don't accept friends

[wanton orchid]

I mean not all crohn affected people are in same condition right ?

[soft bloom]

not u

[wanton orchid]

that's one of the frustrating part for me
I got good body actually
but I still ended up roting somehow
maybe I'll get health back up soon
but I'm slowly starting to loose hope as my condition worsen because of mental wearing mostly I guess
for instance I used to train well as I said earlier
but an other unfortunate event put me on the line between life and death for psychological reasons
I lost so much physically that when I tried to get back at my training I kept collapsing (like not mind collapse, but hard collapse, getting yellow purple blood and having half the body partially shutting down)
I kept collapsing at every training, for 2 year and a half
I then stopped to train
and I'm like .. idk anymore

[wanton orchid]

like what can I tell
I didn't get crohn or something

yet I struggle

everything shows I'm high potential on almost everything yet I look like a stupid person

I keep wondering if
I'm the bad joke
or my life is the bad joke
or both
or hopefully : I am the fucking plot twist motherfokers

thank you
yet I can't know if you simply say that generically or sincerely or if you can even really know from how little you know me (in either a good way or a bad way)

it's been a long time sight
I never witnessed "my way" yet

I don't get what you mean there

I never forget at the very least

I'm struggling more to understand what you are implying or talking about in last messages

I don't have that much old movie references

I'm not old (yet)
but apparently that's the only true asset left which I can trust

I even sometimes fear to spectacularly loose the only actual friend I got
who we mutually prevented each other from certainly dying

pats ?

this remembers me a sad time unfortunately
were I wasn't so experienced with English

the only true mistake of my life

probably cost a life

Was to mixup "forgive" and "forget"

I was sleep deprived too at that time

wdym

I'm not talking movie stuff

hek?

I still don't understand what you mean by transformers

[wanton orchid]

"them: please forget me ..
me: I will never forget you
I will never forget anybody"
was actually
"them: please forgive me ..
me: I will never forgive you
I will never forgive anybody"
I waited for them to talk back to me, after 3 months I checked the conversation back
they apparently didn't wait that long ..
it was actually my part to talk back to them

they were abused child (at least apparently, I'm not a fed I can't have confirmation obviously)
they tried to "escape"
the discord account got deleted
I was initially talking to them to be nice and share supportive experiences

that's how twisted things get around me
I did far less mixup than most foreign languages learners do

yet that one time I mixed up these 2 words out of confusion and phone keyboard autocorrector : that was it

is it alcohol or something ?
your messages really got opaque to me

[wanton orchid]

btw the account was terminated about a week or so before I checked back the conversation noticing my mistake

[soft bloom]

I get it
Laat time i wrote someone in dating up I wrote "not like" instead of "me like" (I tried my best to interpret) because some sort of dyslexia on my part.
And she got pissed off and didn't even read my explanation

Nevermind numerous times i got misunderstood
Or rushed to say something opposite to what i meant
Stuff can happen
But
If you know your goal, and just do the steps - you know why you wake up
And just don't focus on mistakes - focus on doing

Last time i was sick, i solidified belief that the best thing I can do is:
Know what to do medically, do it, maintain a positive mood without focusing on pain or discomfort, and find whatever aligns with goal that I can do without hurting my health.
Yeha i might need more rest then usual.
But i can't allow myself just being bitchy about the situation and spend time gaming or watching YT like if the world around me stopped existing.
And honestly doing something helps a lot with being sick, because you don't feel ill anymore.

People do wonders when they have someone to live for.

And it doesn't have to be some relative or partner.
It can be people who's life your work impacts

And don't get into the mindset "something is wrong with me" or "situation is dire"
By focusing on that you won't find solution - only more reasons to feel bad.
It's kinda like that hyped movie "secret" but without all the magical connection nonsense.
Your thoughts influence how you think. That's it. Like fucking ai. Every previous word impacts next. But you are in control and can forcefully type in "it's ok, i will get through this". Or better yet just "I am healthy".
You can get into nacebo stuff easily. And honestly - why not? Why not instead of taking a sugar pill that you think will cure you to take actual medicine AND believe it will help? Or just believe that you will get better next day? That's free. You don't loose anything.
I was worried at first that I will loose sight of real problems. That didn't happen. But I found solutions.

[soft bloom]

Is there a way to get "cured" from boisy neighbours through wall that doesn't involve confeonting them?

It's like they guess when i go to sleep and turn on thier overtuned subwoofer

[night girder]

media.ccc.de/v/38c3-hacking-yourself-a-satellite-recovering-beesat-1

In 2013, the satellite BEESAT-1 started returning invalid telemetry, rendering it effectively unusable. Because it is projected to remain in orbit for at least another 20 years, recovering the satellite and updating the flight software would enable new experiments on the existing hardware. However, in addition to no access to telemetry, the satellite also has no functional software update feature. This talk will tell the story of how by combining space and computer security mindsets, the fault was correctly diagnosed without telemetry, software update features were implemented without having them to begin with, and the satellite was recovered in September of 2024.

German hackers are crazy.

[mental oriole]

join in what?

[night girder]

https://x.com/redherring32/status/1847374557919015089

Redherring32 (@redherring32) on X

I built a portable Xbox.
This isn't a PC handheld, it isn't emulation, this is a real motherboard from a real Xbox. It has a 9” 480p display, pure digital video/audio, 100W USB C charge and play, and I'm currently adding WiFi 6 for wireless Xbox Live functionality.

Yes, really.

Twitter · Oct 18, 2024, 8:29 PM

Crazy.

I was diving into handhelds that are modded. And I also found a PS1 modded handheld.

[mental oriole]

Cool.

[night girder]

Right?

[glossy glacier]

ccc guys (&gals) are something else

[night girder]

• Original PU-18 motherboard from the PS1, cut in half, folded like a book, and rewired
• 2S1P 3500mAh 18650s with “red board”— ~2.5hrs of battery life
• A trimmed Xstation ODE by Robert Neumann (ramapcsx2) with push-push SD card slot and disc tray button
• A Shinobi Scaler running GBS-Control by ramapcsx2 for impeccably crisp integer scaled 480p VGA (scanlines in 240p mode!)
• Dualshock controller with rumble, but no analog sticks. All buttons/triggers use orange squishy tacts
• A PicoMemcard+ with 16GB microSD for unlimited game saves
• Beefy enclosed stereo speakers and PAM8803 amp
• Wriststrap loop with official Sony Pocketstation strap.

The battery life isn't that great, but still impressive.

[mental oriole]

Figured they did something with the mobo. Because I know a mobo from that era cannot be that small 😁

Rewire must been hell

[night girder]

You just fold it 🤷‍♂️ 🤣

[mental oriole]

By I can't solder so what do I know 😄

[night girder]

same, but it sounds hard right?

I mean, you must know the motherboard layout to know wtf you doing.

[mental oriole]

Apparently if you have the right stuff it's just tedious.

[night girder]

Or you keep soldering untill it turns on 🤣

[mental oriole]

As long they don't deal with multi-layers

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[night girder]

This can help I guess. https://github.com/led02/psx_fpga/blob/master/psx_docs/Sony PSONE SCPH-101 Schematic Diagram.pdf

[mental oriole]

Ye, that would help a lot 😄

[night girder]

But yeah, looking at the diagram. Looks easy. ... ... ... I don't know what I am looking at 🤣

what if you just make one big solder and connect everything

[mental oriole]

cpu connected to bootrom & dram and some connectors it seems.

[night girder]

I mean, if Baldur decides to not mod a vertical mouse, maybe he can try turning an old console into a handheld 😄

[languid gulch]

"In 2024, PistonMiner repaired a number of software issues on the BeeSat-1, restored the telemetry function, and downloaded images from the camera for the first time. Their work was presented at the 38th Chaos Communication Congress in Hamburg."

great name for a convention

[dire igloo]

it's held annually by the Chaos Computer Club, one of the oldest (if not THE oldest) hacker collectives in the world

they also have the Chaos Communication Camp every four years which is basically a festival hackerspace camping site

and yeah, those folks are hella cracked

some of them managed to bypass biometric hand vein scanners with a modded digital camera, some crafting material and a laser printer

or when they hacked the vote transmission software used for official elections in 2017 - before a federal election

well, "hacked" - they showed how incredibly flawed it is and when their remarks and recommendations weren't implemented, they coded modules by themselves and provided them for free

[willow pike]

switch 2 soc seems to be samsung 8N

[wanton orchid]

In some ways we are wired the same

like made to somehow get along

pure domestication is a bit sad but even when not like this there is some kind of match

we are probably the big chonky giants friendly social architect animals to their eyes

btw we do are giants
people fantasize about giant birds giant tigers and giant other animals and giant human like beings ...
it's already how it is
we simply lack the pov of being smaller beings

Tigers horses dolphins great sharks humans great birds etc..
are actually at the freaking top when it comes to size on the entire earth

it's cats that are somewhat more standard size

you didn't
I simply could not respond anymore because I didn't get exactly what you meant

[wanton orchid]

depends what your goals are and how you work internally
as I said I didn't come here to lament
I simply was sharing my experience through disbelief
as I said it's not like I got a fatal illness or something
it's about corruption and twisted fate instead
I Do continuously go on
it just keeps being more and more fucked up at times

I do get it with a smile when people joke about saying the country side looks like dark soul game

So I need some recover time
it's not question
continuously trying to cut through with work is the big bait, it's called burning you out
and even recovering got hard that is all I'm sharing

give me some real recover time, a small team, and a beer and I'll go get to these giant mountains again

that's never what I'm afraid of
never been either

[wanton orchid]

that's why corruption problems are so insidious btw
people often forget that the point of it, is not being expected

[safe trench]

imagine how an obese guy looks to them

not even giant

just massive

[wanton orchid]

both usually
I mean bad eating habbits instead of eating a lot
eating a lot of healthy stuff very rarely end up making you that big

[twin dew]

Why not?
That specific program is dead.
Clean Android phones aren't.

Check the various Nokia / HMD phones?

HMD just stopped licensing Nokia name.

Always has been just HMD behind the name for the Android "Nokia" phones.
Again, people who used to work in Nokia putting up new company.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMD_Global

The company is made up of the mobile phone business that the Nokia Corporation sold to Microsoft in 2014, then bought back in 2016.

[sharp oasis]

Just the usual 6900XT things. @pure karma

No it's not shunt modded it's TDC limits is set to 420A by default.

Same

[twin dew]

"We didn't get to be US top brand in few years so will will kill the business"

Even when outside US Windows Phone was already contender and growing.

No, just that MS didn't want to play ball with US mobile companies, so they just didn't sell WP phones.

So WP didn't get uptake in US, and to the US based MS execes, only US adoptation mattered.

And they saw the whole project as lost.

Because MS wanted Apple type full control of all the phones sold with WP, not phone company control like with Android phones.

And the individual sales people in US got comissions based on phone they sold, and those comissions were larger percentage of the price for Samsung etc. than for WP phones.
So they too steered people away from WP phones to those higher profit for themselves Android phones.

Point was, How much is the phone company allowed to add mandatory crap, and delay updates etc.

Apple had the weight to keep even the phone company subsidized phones free of that.
MS tried to get the same, but didn't have the weight.
Android phones never avoided that.

And in US, almost everyone got and still gets their phones as part of the deal for the actual mobile connection.
So when MS didn't play playing ball with those companies, WP just didn't take in US, as the companies intentionally buried it.

And for those MS US exec, only that US adoptation mattered, so they killed the growing WP.

[rustic panther]

Apple laptops are honestly pretty darn good last time I checked

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-yeah-i-use-linux-gigachad-chad-arch-linux-gif-26093280

[willow pike]

this is the key point yeah, it's the carriers in america that killed windows phone

it did have a lot of other problems but it would never have succeeded

[twin dew]

Combined with that MS exec level "Only US matters"

In Finland WP was 60% of sales before getting killed.
And was rapidly climbing in India etc.

Don't remember the whole EU numbers, but was above Apple IIRC and rising.

[willow pike]

windows phone was reasonably popular in the UK, not crazy popular but I saw it in the wild

[twin dew]

Basically was taking on and getting more popular with time, everywhere else but US, where it was the mobile companies that kept it intentionally down.
Combined with Google shenanigans with YouTube, Gmail etc. support.

Windows CE was a thing since 1996.

[willow pike]

microsoft pushing ahead with windows phone is a For All Mankind alt history

windows was on arm before that

ye

[twin dew]

Yeah, Windows CE, Windows RT

[willow pike]

weird fact; fruit ninja was so unplayably slow on a surface RT the game would literally say "this device is too slow" after the first level. but a nexus 7, a tablet with the same resolution screen and the exact same tegra SOC, ran it flawlessly. some bullshit there

[soft bloom]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MnfK2YD_oPw
hilariously sad
(sketch about community manager talking to with gamedev studio)

[twin dew]

Because the first was running via emulation.

[willow pike]

almost certainly a shitass opengl port

super ironic given openglES on android was horrifying at the time

did you know the people who made these latest socs also designed the apple M1 series

absolute geniuses

oryon gonna be a core for the ages

that was the original intent but I feel they always wanted to get acquired

it's the classic cycle; found new tech company, show promise, get bought up and go party with all the cash

it's a damned impressive core, hits the trifecta of performance, performance per watt, and performance per area

you normally only get two, or one

(or none if you're intel)

yeah you need serious clout to go up to TSMC and ask for a cutting edge node

they ain't giving that out to a startup

meanwhile Tim Apple has them on speed dial and books in the latest N3E over plans for lunch

'course they pay dearly for this, and everyone who gets the node later benefits from it getting battle tested by a billion iPhones

a better status quo than intel just owning everything and having no incentive to improve

they're so fucked

pat was a naive optimist but they needed a true believer in charge

he put his back into it

now what the fuck have they got

some money men

https://tenor.com/view/ricolino-scolari-gif-25352670

[sharp oasis]

My used 6900XT being a champ

[twin dew]

Like I said, HMD Global is the continuation of Nokias phone business.
And Jolla is continuation of Nokias linux phone OS part.

No, HMD Global is Finnish with EU ownership.
Production is in china etc.

Foxconn bought the factories.

[twin dew]

.

They switched from Nokia branding in previous generation to using just HMD branding in 2024 and later phones.

But base Android, long term update support, with FAST update releases, fighting with Google on if Pixel phones or HMD/Nokia Android phones get the newest security updates first.

Much lower power usage in phone application.

[mental oriole]

[mental oriole]

When will companies learn to call it LLM-prediction models...

Still have zero faith in LLM, it can never ever follow an instruction
Good thing I still write my own code.

Gonna be a lot this year...

popcorn while LLM slowly destroy the internet

oh god 🤣

It's like choose pest or cholera

I should too...