off-topic-tech

[jagged snow]

That is actually not bad at all for an engine harness 🤣

[twin dew]

And with lot of extra bulk from the protections around the actual wires.

[night girder]

And this is just the engine:

Fight or Flight, name every component 😄

It just baffles me. How many parts and pieces there are. For just a engine. Ok, it's a sport car.

[jagged snow]

I can break it down to assemblies, and then name every component 😉

[night girder]

If I select a part, you can name it?

[jagged snow]

Have you ever seen an engine fully torn down?

[night girder]

Well, I have.

[jagged snow]

In general, yes
On that specific engine, solid chance not

[twin dew]

Also seems to have the charger, starter etc. high current cables in that set in the middle causing it to bulk up a lot.

[night girder]

But not every engine is the same 😄

[jagged snow]

Yeah, they're even more complicated on the inside

[jagged snow]

Oh not even remotely

That wasn't meant to be an "I know more than you", just a "Have you seen this cool thing?"

[night girder]

I didn't take it like that, I wanted to say, yes I have seen an engine. And all the parts. But it was a very simple one.

[jagged snow]

Ah, yeah

[night girder]

Like they use in school to teach you how an engine works.

[jagged snow]

Once you start tearing apart valve trains especially they get pretty complex mechanically

Although overall they really are remarkably simple mechanically

As far as the basic function

[twin dew]

Basically this shit and a continous run between them is mostly finger thick high current cables between battery, charger and starter.
With small amount of control stuff in there, and then the part in between also has some of the engine sensors etc. that is connected to the right side loom.

What has most of the "normal" engine sensor and control wiring and the high current breaker box and relays in front right.

[night girder]

Dude order a ferrari engine. This is what he got 😄

But those are the pieces. For a engine.

[jagged snow]

Yep

[night girder]

I whish I knew more about cars. I always wanted to work with them.

[jagged snow]

It's good to know about them

And an interesting bit to me is that you can take the mechanical parts of a brand new engine and with very little modification make it run using tech from the 70s

[night girder]

NGL, I was thinking about taking evening school to become a mechanic.

But I am not sure if it holds value for the future.

[jagged snow]

It's very rewarding
Even if EVs do promise to make it somehwat of a dying field

[twin dew]

But I'm off to bed ->

[night girder]

Exactly, I know a few mechanics and they already disliking the ways things are heading.

[jagged snow]

Night 👋

[night girder]

Good night 👋

[night girder]

They complain "everything is done with a computer now ... everything".

[jagged snow]

More proprietary, less right to repaair

[jagged snow]

And yes, that's a very common sentiment
Cost cutting ditches mechanical system for more failure-prone electrical ones when they don't have to

[night girder]

Also first thing they do when you go to a garage (maybe you don't know since you repair your car yourself) they read it out with a computer.

[jagged snow]

Oh yeah, I have an OBD2 scanner

[night girder]

Is it garage? I think I am using dutch words here. garage = mechanic = repair shop.

[jagged snow]

It's super useful for diagnostic

[night girder]

And you can turn of features

But a dream of mine is, to buy a BMW or something cheap and then repair it.

Over years, so I can spread costs etc.

[jagged snow]

Project cars are incredibly fun and one of the best ways to learn about mechanic stuff

I'd always reccomend you go for that

[night girder]

By the time the car is done, I probably have to scrap it because of EV cars 😉

[jagged snow]

Heh

[night girder]

I asked a buddy of mine who is mechanic if he wanted to help me, but he wasn't eager lol 😄

[jagged snow]

I am curious what gasoline avaliability will be like in a few decades, and what the regulations will be

[night girder]

And I am not sure if he has room atm. He already has a few cars he is working on.

[jagged snow]

Ah, gotcha

[night girder]

Who knows. They are backpedaling already.

[jagged snow]

I have seen some of that

I'm a huge fan of phevs for daily-drivers

Although if they could get the costs on full electrics lower then there's really no reason to avoid those for the vast majority of people

[night girder]

I've seen, heard, read about it a lot. They all had ambitious plans. Now reality hits them (economies going down the drain, especially car economy in EU) and they changing their ideas.

[jagged snow]

And public transit is great if you live in a place that can facilitate it

[night girder]

I am all for public transit but there are some obligations to be met first.

For example:

1. Comfort.
2. Punctuality.
3. Accessible.
4. Affordable.

[jagged snow]

Yep

Where I'm at, they meet most of those except the first sometimes

But this is the first place I've ever lived with the population to support it

[night girder]

Look at this:

[jagged snow]

Everywhere else has been too small

[night girder]

You all have to squeeze into a bus during rush hours.

Standing up, a lot of young people don't take off their backpacks etc.

And what did they now, is less different routes for busses.

But more busses during rushhour.

And they want to increase the price of tickets during rush houre, but that makes me pissed off.

People have to go to work/school at the same time, so it's not that they have a choice.

Making them pay more doesn't solve anything.

Long story short, public transit, yes if done properly. Which is not the case sadly over here 😦

Also, I just really like driving myself, just the act of driving.

[jagged snow]

Me as well

Driving is very enjoyable

[jagged snow]

Ooh yeah, inflexible demand is just a kicker
And if they make it cheaper to drive people will do that 🤷‍♂️

[night girder]

You ever drove on a circuit?

[jagged snow]

Not really
I'm too rural to have anything but dirt available within hundreds of kms

[night girder]

Is it something you want to do or not really interested?

I've mentioned it before, but I really dream of Nürburgring 😄

[jagged snow]

I would enjoy it very much
Probably more interested in rally just because it's the style of driving I'm more familiar with

[night girder]

Oh no, don't give me lose ground 😄

I will probably enjoy it once I got the hang of it, but that's so rare to find here.

[jagged snow]

Ah, gotcha

Something like 80% of our road miles are unpaved

Maybe it was 70%

Some high amount near 3/4

[night girder]

Yeah, then you are used to it I guess

[jagged snow]

For a long time my commute was 20 miles on a gravel road

[tough owl]

Sounds like a perfect road for a Honda civic

To rip 45mph down

[jagged snow]

Yessir

[night girder]

I think kade likes Honda civic

[jagged snow]

Really any awd coupe is more or less the dream car for that sort of driving

[night girder]

I am not a fan of this version though.

[jagged snow]

The type r?

[night girder]

It's just the spoiler and the whole back of the car.

[jagged snow]

Ah

[night girder]

It looks so ...fat?

but that's just taste 🙂

2024 model:

Now that I like.

88.560 euros ... oooooof.

[tough owl]

That’s like 50k here

If you buy for msrp

[tough owl]

I so want one of those

[tough owl]

It’s just what I drive every day. 9th gen civic lx

[jagged snow]

Same here

[tough owl]

I know someone with an old Audi Quattro manual transmission

That thing is a blast to ride around in

[jagged snow]

I'm sure

[safe trench]

evs get over a 100 mpge on average while reg cars get 26.4 mpg

so the whole reason is not that dumb

[jagged snow]

mpge is such a stupid measurement 😭

It is an objectively ridiculous measurement

[safe trench]

they should do

mpk

[jagged snow]

Miles per gallon of electricity 🤡

[safe trench]

miles per kilowatt

[jagged snow]

That's what the proper measurement is

Mpge is basically just a conversion of that

[safe trench]

BROOOOO

I JUST OPENED UP A WIKIPEDIA PAGE

AND ANOTHER DONATION BANNER

[jagged snow]

Although it's actually kWhr/mi

[tough owl]

There’s one on every page no

I have so many blocked with unlock 💀

[night girder]

I was thinking more of regulation. I can see it happen only electric cars are allowed in cities etc.

[jagged snow]

Or Mj/mile

[tough owl]

Milijoules/mile is funny to say

[jagged snow]

Autocorrect hates si units

[tough owl]

I love autocorrect

[safe trench]

3.5 average mpk

[night girder]

So by the time I finish building a car that runs on fuel ... I probably can't drive it lol

There is just that chance. I am still not 100% sure they will push for it so hard.

[safe trench]

its just mind boggling how quickly hyundai evolved from gas to hybrids and evs

[tough owl]

I’m not

[night girder]

revolted? evolved?

[tough owl]

Just like on a dime switched to evs

[night girder]

volkswagen is struggling badly atm.

[tough owl]

My girlfriends Volkswagen is struggling

[night girder]

a lot of EU brands have a hard time transforming to EV.

[tough owl]

2014 TDI Passat 😭

[night girder]

We have a lot of teslas. I've seen a few mini electric cars.

[jagged snow]

All brands have

[safe trench]

bro cali is crazy for teslas

[night girder]

Nah, some are doing fine I think.

[jagged snow]

Some are just farther ahead of the curve
I don't know of any that didn't have at least one flop

[safe trench]

i dare you drive on a street in cali and not see a tesla

in a well devopled area

[night girder]

Oh for sure, but I am talk about closing factories.

[tough owl]

You’d have to pay me so much to drive in cali willingly

[night girder]

Volkswagen has to close a few of them.

[safe trench]

real

[night girder]

They dropped the ball with the EV.

[safe trench]

so many bad drivers and people blasting music

[jagged snow]

Oh, my bad

[safe trench]

ioniq 6 didnt meet hyundais expectations for sales

you know why?

BECAUSE ITS A SEDAN AND NOT A STUPID CROSSOVER OR SUV

[night girder]

First 9 months 2024 for my country:

[jagged snow]

Ev adoption in general is actually slowing back down too

[night girder]

The green one is a add. Sorry.

[jagged snow]

I want my small cars 😭

[tough owl]

I want my hatchbacks

[safe trench]

i love how i live ina country that says freedom of choice

[tough owl]

No coupe or sedan. I’m a hatchback enjoyer

[jagged snow]

I'm a fan of sedans or coupes myself but wagons are fine

🤷‍♂️

[safe trench]

when over 80% of all car sales are now lighttrucks/crossovers

[night girder]

I am the opposite

[tough owl]

Volvo wagon please

[jagged snow]

Just the dumb SUVs that are worse at everything and better at the one thing they no longer get used for

[tough owl]

I don’t think we can be friends anymore

[night girder]

RIP

[tough owl]

Large SUVs are dumb

[safe trench]

"uhm at least i have trunk space"

[tough owl]

I love my Tahoe and my excursions

[safe trench]

go outside to ikea and watch as they strugle to fit furniture inside

and how often do you buy those

[tough owl]

Though 7.3 diesel excursion 👀

[safe trench]

• free deilvery! you dont need a 40k suv to carry your 4k sofa you buy every 3 days

[night girder]

My opinion; if you have a leggit reason for a big truck, then it's fine. Construction worker. You need to move heavy loads for work etc.

[safe trench]

IKR!

[tough owl]

IMO a ford Maverick is truck I’d want

Or like 2000s ranger

Anything bigger is unnecessary

[safe trench]

i have no problem with the people who have a** leggit ** reason to have a large truck

[night girder]

Why?

[jagged snow]

Hybrid/awd, stupid good fuel economy and all the utility of the small pickups from the 70s

[safe trench]

bro trucks have been increasing in size and getting smaller and smaller beds

[tough owl]

Seats 5 and actually has cargo space and has a hybrid awd model

[tough owl]

Yea this is why

[jagged snow]

Which are what most people that buy a truck actually need 💀

[safe trench]

why are we making trucks purpose more and more worse

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/trucks-cummins-trio-drive-truck-gif-26193424

[night girder]

Half the people can't even park giant trucks like that.

[jagged snow]

Because they're a status symbol instead of for utility now

[tough owl]

It’s all I’ll ever need. And I can fit in one with my height

[night girder]

I think it's a cultural thing.

Some countries love trucks.

[tough owl]

I can. I drive one for work and I can back into spots easy

[night girder]

We love BMW

[tough owl]

I don’t like bmw

[night girder]

No, what I meant is. Those big trucks, they can't park over here. The parking spots aren't meant for them.

They are too small.

[tough owl]

I love my large and overly complex engines 😍

[night girder]

People literally can't park giant trucks. I've seen it happen.

[night girder]

We are really no friends 😦 I love BMW.

[tough owl]

I just don’t like euro cars. Parts are so expensive here

[night girder]

It's such a cliche car over here, but I don't care lol

[night girder]

Well, same for US cars.

[tough owl]

Yea you guys hate us cars over there

[night girder]

Except Tesla.

[jagged snow]

The us has a history of a lot of farming and other trades where trucks were genuinely the best solution
Those are on the decline but many men still perceive it as more masculine to drive the biggest truck possible due to the historical association with hardworking tradesmen

[tough owl]

Mostly because they’re EV only company

[night girder]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[jagged snow]

But even a few decades heavy duty trucks were smaller

They don't need to be bigger to do their job bettwr

[night girder]

I am not judging btw. It's just something I noticed.

[tough owl]

You mean I don’t need my f250 super duty quad cab 8ft bed dually ☹️

[jagged snow]

That part is all for the status symbol

[jagged snow]

I'm judging

[night girder]

But over here, nah, I don't want big trucks.

[safe trench]

bro if car corpos made a truck that has a large trunk bed and fancy features

that would sell in the millions

[tough owl]

You mean

[night girder]

cybertruck

[tough owl]

A tanau cover?

[jagged snow]

I would love it if people bought the car they needed 💀

[tough owl]

Or whatever it is

[night girder]

as a car lover, I understand why some people like to have different cars in their possesion.

[tough owl]

I’m a fan of older trucks

10 speed transmissions suck

Banging through 1-6 doing city driving 😍

[night girder]

But for daily commutes. I don't know. There are so many issues with them. Like I said, parking spots, they hit like a truck in accidents, some people can't drive them over here, some consume a lot, they block my vission on the road.

[jagged snow]

Nobody wants a big bed
They want to have a truck and use it like a car

[tough owl]

Why most trucks on lots in the US are 4door

[jagged snow]

Yeeep

[night girder]

Does the US have more deadly car accidents you think?

[jagged snow]

Me too
I have a list of cars I want but don't need

[tough owl]

and single cabs are special order

[jagged snow]

Yes, by a lot

[night girder]

And can trucks be a part of it? Or are it different reasons causing it?

[jagged snow]

Lots of reasons

[tough owl]

We also drive faster generally too

[jagged snow]

Distracted driving is really prevalent

[tough owl]

Like highways in the state I’m in are 80mph

[tough owl]

That’s a thing too

[jagged snow]

Mine are 55 or 60
But they're all winding through the mountains

[night girder]

Different laws?

From what I've seen, it looks very similar.

[jagged snow]

That doesn't mean you have to take your lifted truck to the grocery store and to drop your kids off at school

[night girder]

Except ofc miles instead of kilometer.

[jagged snow]

I think pretty similar

[tough owl]

I’m so sorry. 55 on a highway feels so slow

[night girder]

Different % of alcohol allowed in your blood.

[tough owl]

That varies state to state

[night girder]

And then all the different state laws

[night girder]

I know ... 😦

[jagged snow]

In the US it's pretty much none in most places though

One bottle of beer will put you over the limit here

[night girder]

No tollerance policy?

[tough owl]

(I like having states having power and not the federal government but that’s just me)

[tough owl]

Like 0.03-5bac in some states iirc

[night girder]

No, I meant it's confusing for a foreigner.

[tough owl]

Or whatever the numbers is

[jagged snow]

Me too, can make the country function less cohesively

[night girder]

I guess even you don't know it for all states. So you probably look it up?

Or never drink.

[jagged snow]

Oh, for sure
But you can think of the us more like Europe as a whole than as a country like Belgium

[jagged snow]

Just never drink and drive

It still happens a disappointing amount though

[tough owl]

That’s the optimal idea but people are selfish and ignorant

[jagged snow]

Yep
See below comment

[night girder]

I don't. I can count on one hand when I had one beer. And left 4-5 hours between it before I got in my car. And it's once. I went to Metallica, and before I arrived, my friend already got me a beer, so that's the one I drink. But once I got into my car it was 4-5 hours later.

I couldn't refuse.

[jagged snow]

And that's probably fine 🤷‍♂️

[night girder]

I make a very big point of it tbh.

I refuse beer a lot when I have to drive. At parties and everything.

[tough owl]

That’s probably fine assuming your body can handle it well

[jagged snow]

But there's a big difference between you and my uncle that likes to down and entire flat and then go hot rod his truck around downtown and start fights

[jagged snow]

That sort of repeat offender accounts for a really big portion of duis

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[night girder]

I am no cowboy, that's for sure 😄

[tough owl]

He seems like a riot for be around

[night girder]

I just try to be responsible. If I have a accident, I might hit someone else.

So, I am not alone in society is what I am trying to say.

[jagged snow]

He's a character

[night girder]

If I was alone on a island, with alcohol and a car, ... I don't know 😂

[tough owl]

That’s a different story

[jagged snow]

Also keeps breaking his PC and drunk calling me telling me to fix it 💀

[tough owl]

You have no other humans to worry about

[tough owl]

I’d just pretend to be busy

[night girder]

Yeah, sounds a bit cruel maybe bit that's how I think 😄

[jagged snow]

I told him to take some of the money he spends on booze and take it to a repair shop

Or something like that

[tough owl]

Go harass them

[night girder]

Also a reason why I want to go to a circuit. Closed environment to drive a car more sporty.

[tough owl]

Actually no that’s not a good idea

[tough owl]

A lot of people take their “street” car aka daily to the track all the time and that’s the appeal

[night girder]

yup, we can too over here.

[jagged snow]

Your own safety is entirely your own decision, and you can value it as little as you'd like
Just don't endanger others without them intentionally agreeing to it
That's my opinion

[tough owl]

But they just daily their track car and love to rip it around town

[night girder]

Costs a bit of money though. Looked it up tonight. 200 euro's for Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps 2.5 hours. And you cannot drive fast. Someone else, a professional racer, drives and you get to enjoy it in the passenger seat. And then afterwards you can drive with your own car, but have to follow and stay behind a lead car.

The professional driver goes hard though

And it's because of safety and they don't want people to crash the track constantly 😛

It's F1 circuit btw.

[jagged snow]

Speaking of awd coupes, kade, one of my bucket list cars is an rs2 avant

[night girder]

This?

[jagged snow]

Yeppers

Really just any s2 tbh

I'd love the s2 coupe too

Less power but it's also a little lighter

[night girder]

Not a super fan of audi tbh.

[jagged snow]

Neither am I in general

I just like the s2 specifically

Manual, awd, coupe or wagon

[night girder]

1991 Audi S2

[jagged snow]

Neat powertrain

[night girder]

I need to stop dreaming 😄

[jagged snow]

Same here lol

[tough owl]

https://youtu.be/xYqeI3Om1ew this is gonna be what my house looks like in a few years

[safe trench]

not for me

but same speedd

mine all wind thru urban areas

[soft bloom]

all that win11 ai features - does this mean they are going to further enshittify search?

[gilded helm]

Most likely

[winged valley]

Sequential write of a hard drive should hit maximum bandwidth or close to it (based on datasheet)

My ironwolf drives are very good about that

[twin dew]

Yeah, but point was that there seemed to be major issue on that.
But it was just the Windows USB drive access mode.

As this was with drive in USB enclosure.

[winged valley]

onbhhhhh

[twin dew]

Where the enclosures USB-SATA chip can be limiter.

And seemed that there was very large limit from that, but it was just that access mode.
And with the full performance mode, the actual performance was good.

[winged valley]

Yeah I don't trust usb enclosures to ever reach top speed unless its something from startech

even then can be questionable

[twin dew]

Checked that the enclosure had the best USB 3.0 5G chip in it after I bought it.
As it needs to work reliably in Linux in UASP mode.
Most of the 5G chips cannot do that.

[winged valley]

Fair enough

[twin dew]

But still just USB3 5G, and not 10G as the newer USB-C capable chips.
But those are only being used for 2.5" enclosures.

[winged valley]

Pretty sure they'd want cooling so makes sense

[twin dew]

That 40MB/s would have been usable in the intended use, that 170-230MB/s sequential writing is great.

[winged valley]

Nice

Wait, performance mode? That's a skyhawk drive right? Are you saying you messed with the firmware to make it perform like a regular drive?

[twin dew]

No, Windows USB settings.

[winged valley]

Oh nvm lol

I thought you had a pc3k

[twin dew]

This:

[winged valley]

I have literally never ever used that

[twin dew]

Just for USB stick in this case, but same with any USB mass media device.

[winged valley]

That would explain why my bars never hit advertised speeds

[twin dew]

Where that Quick removal will nerf write performance to very large degree.

To minimize the data in flight.

Jackpot, the USB-SATA 3.5" drive enclosure I bought uses ASMedia ASM1153E chip \o/

[glossy glacier]

@still briar why do I never explain stuff? Last time i tried you ignored it. And would be offtopic for #dedicated-servers

Why does DHCP not work like that? Because clients will try to renew their lease at 50, 80(?) and 100% of theirs lease time. If any renewal is successful everything continues on without a disconnect.
Only of the lease runs out and every renewal try was unsuccessful the IP has to be freed and the connection will drop.
Also a 30min lease time would be weird for a mostly static network

[edgy hazel]

87.5%*

It's like 7/8 for some reason

[twin dew]

Easy number in binary?

[mental oriole]

1

[glossy glacier]

Thx, wasn't quite sure about the exact percentage.

[dire igloo]

111/1000

Every number system is base 10

[edgy hazel]

isn't binary base 2

[glossy glacier]

Yes

[edgy hazel]

also I was talking in hex

[soft bloom]

Does it make sense to buy 12V rechargable battery and somehow decrease voltage to 9V to power WiFi router? considering that it wants 0.5A
I really don't want those dongles that take USB and spit out 9V - looks too cheap to be trusted. but also making something myself won't be more reliable probably

[gilded helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex_gPeWVAo0
Not that plenty of salt isn't needed, but does that mean games might actually make use of cache on both CCDs for Zen 6, if the latency is low enough?

[dire igloo]

Can't be base 2 if 2 in base 2 is 10

"isn't decimal base A?"

[twin dew]

There are simple single part three-pole solutions for lowering voltage,
7809 for one that outputs 9V. (with various manufacturer specific pre and post letters to that code)

With single one costing around 1e, and should be available from basically any place selling electronics components.

Some want two small capacitors, some don't.
And the input voltage for 9V output seems to be from 10.5V to 15V minimum specced, with max usually at 35V.

With 1A or 1.5A output current as max with sufficient cooling usually.

[soft bloom]

35v ? in wifi router?

[twin dew]

That was what input voltage the regulator chip outputting that 9V could take.
For example from 11.5V to 35.0V.

[soft bloom]

oh

[twin dew]

So the battery side would need to be in that input range, and then the chip would keep outputting 9V.

[soft bloom]

search spitted out some very small "power station" that can output variety of voltages on both USB-A and -C, but i don't trust it... I mean, how would it match what router and optic-thingy wants? afair that's outside of specs for USB-A... I think I need to bother AI with my stupid questions and lack of knowledge - people are to precious for this 🙂

[twin dew]

So you would want either 9V output linear voltage regulator, or LDO voltage regulator.

If doing that kind of thing manually.

But 9V is one of the USB-C PD output options.

[soft bloom]

and turns out I need 12V for optic-thingy. so idk now

[twin dew]

7812 is also a thing then.
And you could run then both from 24V car battery for example.

Or dual output USB-C PD thingie and two suitable cables that tell one output to do 12V and another 9V

[soft bloom]

so is it safe to use 12V for 9V input? sounds a bit on edge at least. If no that means i need 2 diffrent things - not so great, in any case

[twin dew]

Point was to use voltage regulator to lower the voltage.

[soft bloom]

that's the idea - to make it be poewred from something of similar voltage. not sure about car battery though - it's a must to get it charged back quickly. but car battery is nice since you can just plug into a car, sure

[twin dew]

Where those 7809 and 7812 are the cheap plentiful easy to use solutions, but have larger difference between the minimum input voltage, and the output voltage.

[soft bloom]

if I understood correclt, to just put them in series and get 2 outputs: 9V and 12V

[twin dew]

Better to put parallel, from same whatever voltage, one regulates to 9V, and another to 12V.
Where the input/battery voltage is something that the 7812 can run on reliably.

Because the max input to either is usually that 35V.

But the other options was that USB-C PD capable power station and suitable USB-C PD to static voltage "cables"/adapters.

[soft bloom]

and this then can be used to power from a variety of accumulators, like modular LiFePO4 or car battery ? that's good

[twin dew]

As long as the input is inside that voltage range of the specific regulator.

[soft bloom]

the catch is that smaller of these solution only have single USB-C port. and i don't think it's possible to somehow make it power both 9and 12V

[twin dew]

One example of the "crappier" end for the input tolerance, and wanting those capacitors:
https://www.st.com/resource/en/datasheet/l78.pdf

So the L7812A in that datasheet would want input in range of 14.8V to 30V (with 35V as absolute max), and output 11.75-12.25V (depending on unit) with max 120 mV of ripple, depending on current load.

[soft bloom]

when battery loses charge and voltage drops - those just cut off the power, right?

[twin dew]

Would probably depend on the unit if they will droop the output, shut down or something else.

[soft bloom]

another thing: if there's 12V output from off-the-shelf power station (some have that car lighter), I just grab that 7809 and make tiny cable with it to power the 9V input? that seems liek optimal soltuion.

[twin dew]

Yes, if the specific model of 7809 is one that can do with 11.5V input, some needed up to 15V.

So for example OnSemi:s MC7809B and MC7809C can do that.
But that ST:s LM7809A cannot.

[soft bloom]

takes juust 12V in
arduino.ua/prod3771-ac-dc-9v-power-module-lm7809

[twin dew]

But you would want the OnSemi MC7809 anyways as it doesn't need the external capacitors.

[twin dew]

Yeah, that is just LM7809 on PCB with extra components to do rectification etc.

[soft bloom]

why do some powerbanks/small-powerstations claim to have 9V in usb output? i don't get it

and seems like they are the most straightforward way to fast-charge 12V storage

[twin dew]

Because USB-C PD supports that, if the device asks for it.

But that needs that active negotiation.
Like all the USB-C PD outputs outside of 5V at low amps.

Ah, yeah, L7809 needs higher voltage, LM7809 can do on 11.5V, for all the manufacturers.

So for example MC7809CTG would be good option.
No need for the external capacitors, 1A current capacity.

https://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1878412.pdf

[soft bloom]

sorry, i forgot to specify usb-a while typing...

[twin dew]

The various manufacturer specific USB fast charging "standards" did use higher voltages with suitable handshake over USB-A

[soft bloom]

i didn't find a single sight in my region with this, strange

[twin dew]

The places that sell electronics components don't usually have any part listings.

[soft bloom]

so it's a problem of not having something to perform that handshake then...

[twin dew]

Basic idea is to find a place that sells that kind of components in general, and then go there or ask via phone or email etc. for what you want.

And they usually have some model of every LM78 voltage option in stock, or just include in next order from the big middlemen like Farnell and Mouser in EU.

So that specific part in Mouser EU
https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/onsemi/MC7809CTG
But 20e delivery cost to order 0.55e part doesn't make it reasonable to buy just that direct.

[twin dew]

So basically try to find some company selling electronics components in general that is also willing to deal with consumers.
In Finland almost all cities have at least one such company, mainly dealing with smaller company orders, but also dealing with consumers.
And doing combined bulk buys from the large global distributors on semi-regular basis.
For example my local one said they do one on average each week.

And keep most of the cheap common parts in stock, like basic resistors, capacitors, basic chips like LM78 series regulators etc.

[soft bloom]

that arduino site from earlier is the closest thing i know. though they competitors

[twin dew]

Search for that "electronics components" with your city or like in local language and see if you get hits to companies.

[soft bloom]

well there's also option going to the market. but considering... everything, it might be one-way trip

[twin dew]

But try with that search, to see if you have actual local companies in that niche.

Not for LM7809, but for electronics components in general.

[soft bloom]

to confirm - this is to power from 12V, giving 9V, right?

[twin dew]

Yes, that datasheet contains the stuff needed to select component and design the circuit basically.

Page 7 for the LM7809C, and that TG means TO−220 packaging in 50 unit "rails" as how the stuff comes from the factory to distributor, who then sell out in smaller quantities like starting from 1 per order from Mouser.

[soft bloom]

ok, found it listed, but no price. they have some in stock but there's no "cart" option - i guess everything goes through request form

[twin dew]

Usually yes.

[soft bloom]

why choose it over that board from 'arduino'?

(btw, is that fruits of yournew role that all these links are not banned?)

[twin dew]

Yes.

[soft bloom]

i mean, 1eur ready solution. cables needed anyway

[twin dew]

If that was local, then go for it.

[soft bloom]

did i miss something about it that doesn't fit?

[twin dew]

I somehow mixed Ukraine and United Arab Emirates in my head for that place.

UA vs UAE

And didn't even try to convert the currency.

Just had extra stuff on it to be able to handle that AC input.

[soft bloom]

huh, i thought it's because description is still in russian, despite link to ua version of the site (which is main one, but many business remain with ru localization)

[soft bloom]

hmm, where on earth there's 12V AC ?

[twin dew]

So if using for DC, just bypass those four diodes in right way near the input connector.

[twin dew]

Just generic chinese production module that tries to fulfill everything.
And those diodes could cause issues from the extra voltage drop they cause with near 12V input.

[twin dew]

Just saw UA and RU, and for someone that I though was selling to RU (and not just as russian language version of the site), UAE would have been more logical source country at this point in time.

Because it is one of the places that is actively used to go around Russian sanctions.

[twin dew]

Easy to change any AC to any other AC with suitable transformer.

Someone ordered one Samsung 990 SSD from Amazon, got one full box of 10 🤣

With 10x individually retail packaged 990:s inside.

[soft bloom]

sometimes i get so focused on doing something with code that i forget to eat... and communicate

[soft bloom]

i started to think maybe i could power it from wind energy. at least that's the only thing i can remember with similar specs

but i don't have one . and afaik they are crappy (wind turbines)

but in the vilalge of relatives there's one decent turbine, up on the hill. so maybe some do use it successfully

[twin dew]

8092MW of theoretical wind power capacity in Finland, with last weeks average production being 3439MW

1806MW on average during this year so far.

And at one point the production has been negative. by few tens of MW.
Probably almost no production but the blade etc. heatings had to still be on during the winter.

[soft bloom]

i feel like i wont use zip programs (inlucing OS built in ones) anymore after learning zipfile in python. except for really simply usecases (which is still 99%...)

but choosing compression method, and level, and how to organize it itside... too good

though probably most of it is available with cmd

[twin dew]

Even with better GUI ones:

[languid gulch]

Starship test flight #6 today (maybe)

[twin dew]

22:00 UTC with 30 minute window.

Tank Watchers already streaming with commentary etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq_50kAOJoI

[languid gulch]

looks like another catch attempt, and they'll be trying a reentry burn on the upper stage to give it a steeper descent angle to test some new thermal protection

[soft bloom]

splitting volumes is nice feature.

also perhaps i am craving more programmale options.

i have http cache in a tree folder structure. each entry has hex fingerprint and is practically a single file per entry. and there's sqlite db to index all of that.
just zipping all of that creates file too large for Telegram storage (yep, cheap and quick option)
so i needed to split them. but just having root folder as i first 2 digits of hex is having 256 folders... too big to manually sort into partitions

[twin dew]

All those are exposed on command line version too.

[soft bloom]

oh no, # again

[twin dew]

For that specific ones command line version:

[soft bloom]

ok now i'm confused why this didn't go through

I don't envy someone trying to do this in bash:

        now = datetime.datetime.now(datetime.UTC).isoformat()

        produced_files = []


        // start with meta DB
        // ---

        target_meta = self.storage_folder / f"dump {now} -- meta.db.zip"
        produced_files.append(target_meta)

        with zipfile.ZipFile(target_meta, "w") as zf:
            zf.write(
                filename=self.storage_folder / "meta.db",
                arcname="meta.db",
                compress_type=compression_method,
                compresslevel=compression_level,
            )


        // collect paths into partitions
        // ---

        partition_to_path: dict[int, list] = defaultdict(list)
        for partition_dir in (p for p in self.storage_folder.iterdir() if p.is_dir()):
            for entry_dir in (p for p in partition_dir.iterdir() if p.is_dir()):
                // fingerprint = entry_dir.name
                target_partition = partitioning_func(partition_dir.name)
                for filepath in entry_dir.iterdir():
                    partition_to_path[target_partition].append(f"{partition_dir.name}/{entry_dir.name}/{filepath.name}")


        // produce partitioned zip files
        // ---

        for partition, paths in partition_to_path.items():
            target_partition_path = self.storage_folder / f"dump {now} -- part {partition:02}.zip"
            produced_files.append(target_partition_path)
            with zipfile.ZipFile(target_partition_path, "w") as zf:
                for source_path_str in paths:
                    zf.write(
                        filename=self.storage_folder / source_path_str,
                        arcname=source_path_str,
                        compress_type=compression_method,
                        compresslevel=compression_level,
                    )

        return produced_files

(replaced # with //)

[twin dew]

Why the manual splitting?
And not just telling the archiever to split at specific size?

Of the resulting packaged file

So that each part is smaller than the max file size for that Telegram thingie.

-s splitsize
--split-size splitsize
option for the Linux "zip"

[soft bloom]

honestly, i just don't trust that split in a sense of keeping things organized. though it is unrelated to the function, yes.

[twin dew]

Point is that it is just one archive, that is split at arbitrary points.

Depending on options you need all the parts to extract anything.
Or all the parts that contain that specific files data.

Some files can have data on multiple files.

[soft bloom]

oh i don't like that

i didn't use split before

but i expected it to keep files together

[twin dew]

But point is that the compression and extraction are just one action.
The extraction just goes through all the files for that archive.

[soft bloom]

here at least i know that anyone with basic archive unzipping can reconstruct all data & structure

[twin dew]

That functionality is part of the base spec for the compression method.

[soft bloom]

how would that work in liek Windows explorer for example?

[twin dew]

The original reason was to be able to compress stuff onto floppy disks.

[twin dew]

You put all the files into same folder, tell it to extract the first one, it extract all of them.

Usually if the all files aren't in place, the uncompress will complain and ask for the next one.

[soft bloom]

I don't remember seeing it in action, but will have to try

[twin dew]

Ok, my Zipper named the files in way that Explorer doesn't recognize them as zips, need to look at example of the other naming convention.

Yeah, doesn't seem that the Windows included handles split zips.

So my bad

Might be just naming issue, or real issue.

[soft bloom]

while it goes, numbers changing fast, i feel like that guy from Matrix

[soft bloom]

just enshittification of Windows

will check in Ubuntu. cause i need something that will work on both

surprised it squizes any compression at all out of .gz files

[twin dew]

Seems Windows can do it, but it isn't set to recognize the various default extensions by default, like that z01.

Making the functionality useless for almost everyone.

[soft bloom]

looks like this. (also, i asked for -s 1G and nautilus rounds up to 1.1G... ok)
and opens nicely when clicked on .zip one

[soft bloom]

that's how good features die

[twin dew]

Yeah, as that created the file names already in naming format it supported.

[twin dew]

Because of 1024 vs 1000 byte kilobytes.

Nautilus is showing in those 1000 bytes to kilobyte GB.
And the compression used 1024 bytes to kibibyte GiBi.

[soft bloom]

yep, note is about weird roundup
...
oh wait, it's correct rounding.

i read it as 1, 007 ...

[twin dew]

And 1 GiB is 1073741824 bytes.

[soft bloom]

the worst part of this is inconsistency - other GNOME apps do it in powers of 2

[soft bloom]

yes, i jsut saw extra 0, and thought it rounds 1007 MB to 1.1 GB

[twin dew]

Now would be to try to extract that on Windows too.
As it was created with the sane naming, where one part is still .zip and others are numbered.

Others start with .z01 instead, or just .zip.001 for example.

You could just compress some 1MB file with 100KB segments for quicker test etc.

[soft bloom]

it doesn't mind absence of .z01 etc
and throuws this

[soft bloom]

well the closest thing i found was one of the 00 folders, so it's not easy (impossible, luck) to test if it saved everything, but considering other problems... doesn't seem to work

[soft bloom]

and also just some unspecified error s

[twin dew]

So cannot handle split zips.
Might have been able in some Win10 version, but not completely sure.

[soft bloom]

I wonder what Mac would say about this

[tribal kraken]

anyone have exprience using VPNs in china? What services have a change to work to accessa google etc normal western internet

[pure karma]

allright im fed up

whats the actual thing that triggers the "irql driver_not_less_or_equal" BSOD

this is like the 7th time

in 2 months

[twin dew]

Almost any hardware instability or failure, or specific kernel mode driver issues.

[pure karma]

would the igpu be the problem because i have a sneaking suspension it is

especially considering it starts throwing wild amounts of VRAM errors every time its running at the same time as the dedicated gpu

[twin dew]

Or just unstable RAM settings.

[pure karma]

even with XMP off?

because i i test just the ram its fine

if i test just the igpu its fine

and if i test just the didicated gpu its fine

but as soon as both gpu's are runnign at the same time its starts dying

[tough owl]

disable igpu in the bios 🤷‍♂️

[pure karma]

the bios dosent exist its a laptop

[tough owl]

fresh install windows

make sure you installed all of the drivers from the site too

[pure karma]

i have all the newest drivers for everything that exists

[twin dew]

Ah, the same fucked up laptop?
And it does have a BIOS/UEFI, just very limited.

[pure karma]

no a new one i got like 2 months ago

well probably 3 now

[twin dew]

Contact the laptop maker support?
And get warranty repair.

[pure karma]

its allready long out and they only accept replacements for physical damage

[twin dew]

Out of warranty in 3 months?
Weird country.

Not "return", warranty.

[pure karma]

yea the warenty is 3 months and that was 2 days ago

[twin dew]

Then you were an idiot, again.
And if Canada allows for that, very weird.

[pure karma]

i guess i could try to disabled the igpu in device manager at a os level but i doubt it work particularly well

[twin dew]

Normal one for B2B is 1 year, B2C has minimum of 2 years in EU.

Even battery warranties are 6 months.

[tough owl]

you should do that

[twin dew]

Probably cannot be done, because the internal monitor is probably connected to the IGP.

Higher end gaming laptops can have switch chips to be able to switch what the monitor is connected, but cheaper ones don't.

[pure karma]

i almost wonder if its just running out of ram so hard that even the slightest mistake just makes everything implode

because i have noticed that my bottleneck in practically all gaming scenarios is ram capacity

[tough owl]

me when modern oses can handle out of ram issues

[twin dew]

Problem when the static IGP RAM allocation is tiny in that pic.
And it is only running on shared RAM.

Again, almost certainly something that should be changeable in the UEFI Setup.

Probably only 64MB static allocation, would need to check the GPU 0 entry to see.

[tough owl]

probably

could it be a bad ram stick?

[twin dew]

Should show up in RAM only testing for that.

But as trying to get actionable information out of MagicZ, or to get him to do anything is impossible, not going to bother to even try.

[tough owl]

[twin dew]

But anyways, I'm feeling horrible, so heading to bed soon.
Will see what SpaceX did when I wake up.

[twin dew]

And the amount of current laptops that even have SODIMMs is miniscule.

[pure karma]

im not gonna bother even trying to explain that it has fuck all other than a clock so you can check its version FB06 of gigabytes G5 bios

more specifically the G5 MF5 but there all on the same one so it dosent matter

[night girder]

Laptops don't have BIOS?

[jagged snow]

UEFI on anything modern, but yes they do

It's just very often locked down to the point where you can't do any real system config

[night girder]

Was asking because of this statement 👆

[night girder]

Why though? It's a gaming laptop.

Don't they trust the users?

[jagged snow]

Because they can get away with it

The assumption tends to be that if you're not putting it together yourself you're not the type of person that will copmlain about missing bios configs

[night girder]

I mean, that's not that far fetched of an assumption. But there will always be exceptions.

And when it comes to gaming, BIOS is more common to be used.

Maybe it also is to protect themselves legally. Or for warranty issues.

Laptops have less room to OC most of the times, maybe having access to all the options in a BIOS is too dangerous.

[glossy glacier]

whats your cpu?

[pure karma]

13620H

[pure karma]

dont have a satic allocation reading anywhere but it does say theres 296MB under hardware reserved 🤷‍♂️

[glossy glacier]

can you analyse the latest crash dumps and post screenshots?
Use some tool like WhoCrashed, BlueScreenView or windows reliabilty report

[pure karma]

bluescreenview it is

[glossy glacier]

reinstall chipset drivers (and keyboard if available) and do a sfc&dism check

[wanton orchid]

it's for security reasons, in both ways
they insert back doors and trackers
which could be easily altered or removed if it was a bios option, laptop are usually used by workers and businesses on move
but the reverse is also true, if all options are there one can easily tweak it when you're going for the Macdonald's bathroom

[night girder]

but this is a gaming laptop we are speaking of, the G5 MF5

[wanton orchid]

So one would have to set bios admin password

[night girder]

not a work laptop afaik.

[wanton orchid]

laptops are laptops, most gaming laptops also are commonly used for personal and work stuff

remember
if there is physical access, you loose
laptops are cursed for that reason

for the one-shot protection (on the moment scan / thief) one would have to set up full password encryption (even the ram) as soon as you leave your laptop (no, windows password does not provide that, fuck you Microsoft)

[jagged snow]

I have a gaming laptop that's used exclusively for software dev

[night girder]

And you have a bios?

[jagged snow]

I haven't had the need to check 🤷‍♂️

Only reason I'd ever mess around in bios is to try to squeeze more battery life out of it

Which I haven't felt the need to do since I usually only spend <5 hours away from the wall with it

[glossy glacier]

everything has a bios/uefi
most OEM computers, desktop and laptop, are very locked down though so the system behaves exactly like the manufacturer intended

[wanton orchid]

for legal reasons you still can remove them but it requires bios special override

[pure karma]

theres only bios and software drivers so neither are available

il double check all the diffrent drivers again in a bit but i want to eat first

[gilded helm]

The Steam hardware survey probably is lumping the 3060 8GB and 12GB together. Yuck.

I can sort of get that with the 4060 Ti. But the 3060s don't use the same underlying GPU.

[pure karma]

wait do you mean the cpu chipset or motherboard chipset because if its cpu i have it if its motherboard there isent one available

[glossy glacier]

cpu and mainboard chipset are basically the same

[winged valley]

Bitlocker does that

Only way you're cracking bitlocker on a software level is if you dump memory, but I'm pretty sure the VMK stored in memory is encrypted and not the actual key

There's some $3000 forensic program that is supposedly secure boot compliant that will let you boot windows with it as a wrapper and do live memory sniffing

But i don't know anyone who has used it so I don't know if its legit

The other way you can do it is to sniff the LPC lines on a device that's using a DTPM during boot, since the VMK is transmitted in plaintext. However, that only works on devices that both have a DTPM, and weren't specifically set to use FTPM

And in fact, that vulnerability alone makes all DTPM's a joke and we should just standardize FTPM already

[pure karma]

i fully uninstalled and then reinstalled every driver i could find

if it bluescreens again im gona loose it

[languid gulch]

i'm sure the chinese PLA will do it for cheaper

[winged valley]

I'm sure you're dumb and stupid

How would you contract the PLA first of all and second of all depending on what you're trying to crack you probably definitely don't want the PLA to have your device

I just realized you were making a joke nvm

[languid gulch]

😛

[wanton orchid]

no bitlocker doesn't do that
the only purpose of bitlocker is to prevent wild disk cloning

• you can get around automatic unlock with some kind of injection
• the ram isn't encrypted
• you can get around the session lock because that password isn't providing actual session data encryption

what I was talking about requires all these things
or you can snap the security while it runs

[night girder]

Nothing is 100% proof when it comes to security.

[jagged snow]

General purpose computers are fundamentally flawed

[night girder]

a part is up to the user though

anyway I am off to bed 👋

[gilded helm]

This feels like pie in the sky, right there with unbreakable crypto.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/11/automatic-braking-systems-save-lives-now-theyll-need-to-work-at-62-mph/

[languid gulch]

i've had remarkably good luck with my new car's avoidance stuff

it's not foolproof, but it hasn't done anything stupid yet

[twin dew]

Different thing, you need to check the "Dedicated GPU Memory" entry under the IGP:s GPU entry.

Which is probably 64MB

[twin dew]

And this was probably the store provided "warranty", the actual machine manufacturer will probably have 1 or 2 year warranty.
And I specifically said to contact the manufacturers support.

But anyways, SpaceX launched, but didn't try for another catch in the end because of some issue.
Just landed on in water off the coast.

On any UEFI system, there is 200-700MB reservation from the RAM for the UEFI & hardware.
That IGP fixed allocation is under that heading too, but lot of other stuff too.
And that IGP GPU entry Dedicated GPU Memory is only that fixed allocation.

And when the IGP is actually used as main GPU, you want it at least 512MB, which there is in no way with just that UEFI reservation.

[twin dew]

Tower was reported to be ok, but something during the boosters boostback burn made the SpaceX team cancel the planned catch.

[twin dew]

And this is part of why I said helping MagicZ is impossible.
Because he never does what you ask for, but something adjucent.
Like in this case me saying that would need to check the GPU 0 entry to see, and he checked Memory entry.

So my "Hardware reserved" is 887MB total.
Of that, 512MB is for fixed allocation for the IGP, as I use it to drive two monitors as secondary GPU.
It is currently using 177MB of that, and about 200MB of shared RAM.
It also has 44.2MB extra from that Hardware reserved, main GPU is taking 71.8MB from Hardware reserved.
So on my MB and current config otherwise, minimum Hardware reserved "bite" out of RAM would be about 300MB, if I disabled the IGP completely.
And I have no idea what is using 259MB of the Hardware Reserved currently, but haven't really tried to look, but that is what is left after the bites the IGP and GPU take out have been removed.

[twin dew]

It's bananas!

[edgy hazel]

Have you overclocked your GPU again?

[twin dew]

Banana for scale:

Unfortunately not a real banana, just a plushie.

Catch might have been aborted because of that top antenna tower getting damaged in the launch

SpaceX selling these patches 🤣 :

Inspiration ?D

(So obvious that just had to post)

[glossy glacier]

Total memory encryption is a CPU feature and available in some laptops

[twin dew]

Available on any Zen 2 or newer AMD CPU at least, TSME in AMD AGESA.

[glossy glacier]

TME on Intel, TSME on AMD
But the UEFI needs to expose it (or enable it by default)

[twin dew]

Available on any UEFI that has the AMD CBS menu.

That has the standardized AMD AGESA exposed options.

[twin dew]

As in AMD got so tired with MB makers that they implemented full settings menu for (almost) all their options into AGESA, that the MB maker just has to provide option to enter into.

[soft bloom]

what exactly was the things they weren't happy about?

[twin dew]

Hasn't been told.

But for example that askew antenna tower might affect the positioning accuracy etc.

Just that before boostback burn, it was first said to be enabled, and then later that is was cancelled.

[rustic panther]

Time for someone else to learn that lesson when he breaks yet another computer in 3 months

[mental oriole]

"If"

[rustic panther]

Nah, "when", given the startling regularity of those events :^)

[mental oriole]

Was more like if he ever learns.
Not to sound rude to him, but ...

[tribal kraken]

This 3D scanning seems CPU intensive, my HP laptop with i7 6820HQ is in trouble

[pure karma]

i did so many times that i broke the support ticket

[pure karma]

cant do something i dotn knwo hwo to do

[twin dew]

When given explicit instructions, you do something else.
Every time.

When then again asked again to follow the same instructions, you do yet another random thing that wasn't asked for.

[twin dew]

So, what does that Task Manager, Performance, GPU 0, Dedicated Video Memory say?

[pure karma]

it dosent have dedicated memory 😐

it has shared memory

[twin dew]

So making that 0 MB static allocation.
So the IGP is just going to break down once RAM is full.

But as Gigabyte doesn't have anything but quick start guide for that laptop and the model before it, no idea if it could be changed or not.

[pure karma]

so if im understanding corectly

i have 2 options

either find some way to set up a dedicated chunk of ram as permenant vram for it if its even possible

or get more ram so it stops being a problem

maybe a 3rd if i can disable it alltogether but im not sure i can in a intended way

[twin dew]

Or the issue might be something completely different.

[twin dew]

Almost certainly not, as the laptops internal monitor is probably connected only to the IGP.

[pure karma]

even if its not the cause its a good point and i have seen it on laptops before where say... 2GB of ram will be unavailable because its being reserved for the igpu

ahh i found it

it has 128MB dedicated

[soft bloom]

accidentaly typed %n instead of %m ...
didn't know that's a thing

(that's a newline inside filename)

actually looks very neat

[twin dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-Ri1mWpkQk

[soft bloom]

question was about amd and MB manufacturers, hehe

[twin dew]

Ah.

[soft bloom]

but also is interseting topic - i just didn't pay enough attention to it yet

[twin dew]

That MB makers didn't expose stuff.

On Intel side, MSI and AsRock don't still expose the Intel CPU functionality to limit VCore requests the CPU makes.
Asus and Gigabyte did for long time already.
The functionality that Intel themselves used to set 1.55V limit to those.

MSI has specifically said that they have absolutely no intention to add that simple entry box into their Intel MB BIOSes, even when they wouldn't need to do almost any coding to do it.

The Intel blob already contains all the functionality, just no config UI.

[pure karma]

the intel default presets?

[twin dew]

No, "IA VR limit"

0x129 and 0x12B microcodes default that to 1.55V when those Intel Defaults are being set, but not otherwise.
Asus and Gigabyte allow you to configure it to whatever, MSI and AsRock don't have UI to configure it manually.

And Asus and Gigabyte had that exposed for long time already.

[pure karma]

the fact you can edit the VCore voltage? yea i can do that on gigabyte

[twin dew]

No, that sets highest VCore REQUEST the CPU can do, as part of the turbo behavior.

Limiting the turbo table in use.

[pure karma]

good to know

also bluescreened again 😅

however this time it was something else

nervermind it was the exact same

[pure karma]

still bluescreened for the same reasons after updating everything

[twin dew]

There are still Gigabyte AM4 MBs that don't have access to Curve Optimizer etc.
As Gigabyte hasn't included it in their own settings, and hasn't added access to those AMD AGESA menus either.

As example.

[pure karma]

kbdclass.sys is a keyboard driver but is there anything i can do to fix it/update it or something

or does it just come down to a fresh windows install

[glossy glacier]

Found something about a keyboard function software. Disable that? Should be visible in the task bar

[twin dew]

That name would suggest it is the base Windows generic driver.

Yup.

[pure karma]

gcc?

[glossy glacier]

BTW, why are you guys so fixated on the RAM amount? If VRAM is not enough, it'll spill over into sys-ram. If sys-ram is not enough it'll spill over on disk. If disk is not enough, then it'll start killing stuff. If that is not enough then it'll bluescreen

[twin dew]

Not for RAM as VRAM the IGP needs.

[pure karma]

but the primary problem is the windows kernel and keyboard drivers taking a shit

[twin dew]

If there isn't free RAM when IGP driver needs more for VRAM, the IGP (driver) hard crashes at least the program it was trying to get more VRAM for.
If that is Windows kernel stuff, you just lost the OS.

VRAM stuff cannot be swapped, and there isn't enough proactive swapping in most cases.

To push the normal RAM stuff into SWAP early.

Running out of RAM for CPU, that is handled semi-gracefully, like you said.
But not for IGP needing RAM for VRAM.

[pure karma]

so are we diagnosing the kernal... or the cause or i dont even know anymore

the kernal is dying and some keyboard driver dosent exist

[twin dew]

It does exist, the crash was inside it.

But either you have majorly broken OS, or HW instability issue.

[night girder]

I didn't want to say it yesterday, but can a keyboard driver cause crashes or bluescreen?

[pure karma]

unstable keyboard? 😂

[night girder]

I have a feeling, those drivers have nothing to do with the crash. But that's more my gut feeling.

I've been down rabbit holes with crashes looking at the total wrong thing.

[pure karma]

yes because its saying thats the final trigger

[night girder]

Yeah yeah...

[twin dew]

Either CPU or RAM corrupting the loaded code as the highest probability.

[night girder]

I did that too. In the end it was my CPU that was acting funky.

[twin dew]

Or something else corrupting the other kernel memory.

But that would lead to other types of BSODs too.

So almost certainly broken laptop.

[night girder]

Just saying, be open minded with these issues. Don't be like a bull and a red flag 😄

[pure karma]

ods are its not the cpu and its memory then

because obviously i had huge performance loses on high ram ussage applications

[night girder]

Speaking from experience 😅

[jagged snow]

You can't make that assumption

[pure karma]

if its memory then thats a ok with me cause i wanted to get a 32Gb kit instead anyway if it isent then i guess thats just that

i could maybe try to run memtest

shit...

decided to run the same test that flagged the iGPU and uhh

so both do it

it turns out

[twin dew]

Which could just be CPU, RAM etc.

[pure karma]

same exact amount of errors at each time so i doubt it is either gpu's

il run memtest86 tonight and see what happens

[soft bloom]

Honestly, i think it's good that AMD will have control over UI for their CPU's config. Let each party concern with their products

[twin dew]

Asus has many of the same options in their own menus too etc.
So the MB makers are free to reimplement stuff.
But that AGESA included stuff just gives standardized base that is easy to expose.

[pure karma]

did just the first pass because i dont have time to do the rest got 0 errors but ram temp did reach 66C idk if thats conercerning or not feels high to me

i remember hearing something about high temperature making ram more prone to errors and seeing how it reached 66C with no gpu heat i wouldent be surprised if thats not helping

[twin dew]

Only if tREFI is too high.

And that laptop is almost certainly not playing fast and loose with that, like most RAM OC guides tell to do.

[pure karma]

i have no idea what tREFI is

[twin dew]

One of the RAM timings.

Refresh Interval.
How often the RAM cells are refreshed.

Every 7.8µs up to certain RAM temperature and every 3.9µs after by default.

[pure karma]

but would temps still possibly be a certain amount at play since the error amount ramps up over time and then kinda levels out

il defedently keep temps in mind but im gonna stop making more guesses until i have had time to do the full test

ram effortlessly reached 75C with gpu heat ontop

took like 3 minutes to reach the 70's

that might just be it honestly

[twin dew]

Not really, as the whole laptop model line would be affected.
And RAM is often specced up to 85 or 90 C

[pure karma]

but isent that 85-90 the total failure point

[twin dew]

No, the max operating temperature.

At the JEDEC spec settings.

Kingstons DDR5 SODIMM ValueRAM is specced to 85C operating temperature, and up to 100C storage temperature.

[visual tree]

Not great, not terrible

And remember: there are no bugs in the game, only anomalies

[jagged snow]

From what I've heard the performance is unreasonably poor

[visual tree]

Damn. Guess I'll wait for patches and see how it goes before buying the game

[jagged snow]

From what I heard 1440p 60fps requires dlss on a 4070

[visual tree]

It better run properly on RTX 3060 Ti at 1080p but judging mixed reviews, maybe I am too optimistic

[jagged snow]

I'd wager 60fps if you don't crank the settings and use dlss

[twin dew]

People only remembering the bad times when best PC settings were same as console settings?

And expecting to be able to run all at max from the start?

The old way before that was to make the middle be the expected, and then one setting level for the absolute best current computers, and the max for computers from few years in future...

[visual tree]

Considering I have RTX 3060 Ti, it's acceptable for me if the average fps is going to be above 40

*at max settings

I could sacrifice some settings though

This is most likely fake but still

[night girder]

We once had to fire someone who also had a profile on linkedin that was fake.

We didn't know how they got pass the intake.

But they were too good to be true, walked around like a king, but did no work and within a week, we noticed that the profile must been fake because of lack of knowledge.

The reason I hate linkedin is the headhunters. - "I am not looking for work or projects". And then they constant nag you to come work for them.

But it's like almost begging to come work, which makes me sus that something isn't right in the company 😛

[visual tree]

Yeah, when someone on linkedin starts begging you, it's usually a red flag

Same as when I had a job interview once and one of the owners literally said they expect an employee to talk to them first if they have problems instead of just quitting the job (basically a red flag that says: everyone is leaving this company)

[night girder]

Not really begging, but really agressive headhunting?

Even if you tell "not interested" they keep going?

"What can we do to make you interested?"

[twin dew]

Lot of the headhunters get paid by comission, not by hour.

[night girder]

"Would you like to meet us?"

Me: "No, I just switched project a month ago. I am good". "Are you sure? Because if you work for us... you get a fat car". 😢

[twin dew]

So they will do absolutely everything to get that money, even fucking up both the firm and the person.

[night girder]

Yup.

Once, a sister company of my company tried to recruit me.

Told me boss, he was not amused 😂

[visual tree]

lol

[night girder]

Not really a sister company, but they worked close together.

So my boss had a call that night to tell them, that's not cool to do.

[night girder]

It gets real annoying.

[visual tree]

I also noticed a new trend where companies ask you to do home assignments so they can "test your skills" when in reality they just need free labor

If it's taking more than 30 minutes of my time, I am not doing it....

[night girder]

It really stresses me that I had to handle all this side stuff I am really not interested in.

I want to code. That's just it tbh.

I am not really interested in HR, meetings, team buildings, ....

[night girder]

Wait untill you have to do an IQ test that isn't an IQ test.

Because, morally, they cannot do a IQ test, so they called the test something else. But it was still an IQ test.

[visual tree]

One company had a footer in the assignment that says: "The task is sent solely for the purpose of evaluating the candidate for the position. Received materials, documents and ideas generated by the candidate are not legally protected intellectual property, and further use of the ideas obtained is prohibited information is not considered illegal and unethical."

[night girder]

The fuck ...

[visual tree]

The company is falling apart anyways. One of my friend knows people there and he says former management board got fired and replaced because they were selling company data to third parties lol

Not to mention the interviewer of that company asked me about my former clients so they could "steal" them later and offer services....

Although the clients are publicly available on the website of the company I worked for

[night girder]

Welcome to the world of companies.

be back in 10/15 mins, going nightshop

[visual tree]

👍

[night girder]

new EU law, there has to be 5 year support for hardware and software.

It's called the Cyber Resilience Act and will apply to all products in 2 years.

support = deliver security updates

[visual tree]

Nice. Wish we also had a law which forces producers to sell exact identical food to all countries in EU

Recently bought Nutella from Amazon.de because Nutella sold for the german market is better than the shitty version for eastern europe

I think one of our MEP's in the european parliament attacked Ferrero regarding this and their explanation was that different countries have different tastes lol

Sounds like bullshit in order to justify replacing hazelnuts with sugar

[pure karma]

i am officially truly stumped

it literally only leaves the cpu

[glossy glacier]

or software

[tough owl]

And drivers

[glossy glacier]

drivers are software

[pure karma]

im gonna rename them to bloatware if this continues

[pure karma]

i guess atleast its something new

whatever happened has made the ram not clear out anymore so now i have to restart

and it just... imidiately turned off as soon as i tried to run the test again

i guess il add possible insuficient power to the list

[night girder]

heat is eliminated?

[pure karma]

the os dosent run well enough during the test to track anything live so no idea

but i doubt anything far over 80

[night girder]

mhm, hope you figure it out

[pure karma]

theres a few factors i have kinda set in stone

its infinitely more common on battery power

its a instant crash (no freeze no glitching nothing just instant bluescreen)

[night girder]

was this also a bluescreen?

[pure karma]

no it just fully died turned off fully

thats why i added possible insuficient power to the list i made

[night girder]

but that shouldn't give blue screen. So sounds like something else.

atleast I never heard of a blue screen because of power insufficiency.

[pure karma]

well if something is power choked and cant do what its trying it could absolutely cause problems

[night girder]

the system would shut down

not blue screen

[pure karma]

on that one it did shut down

[night girder]

maybe it was the test, I hope. Else you might have another issue.

[pure karma]

but yea no the bluescreens it just restarted like normal

well games are triggering it too

i know SF does because it has 3 times now

[night girder]

you monitor temps while gaming?

[pure karma]

beamNG trigered it one time

[night girder]

it's probably not temperature, but just curious. And then you can eliminate that cause.

[pure karma]

so both cpu and ram intesive titles

[pure karma]

it shouldent be, under game load i have yet to see much higher that 50's

[soft bloom]

peaople were sold idea of high framerate being the norm, they bough 240Hz monitors, so now they "can't enjoy' 60fps... (it's relevant because if we apply your comment about settings then there will be just ok fps for fullhd )

me few days ago:
it's good idea to store compressed QuakeML of each event so that I wont have to access server or even cache to to re-parse them in future
me today:
but is it a good idea to store separate QuakeML file for each event, when there are millions of them?

if chatgpt is correct, nubmer of files is limited by inodes, and i have 15mil of them left. should be good. but a bit scary anyway

storing their compressed content inside DB seems like a decent idea, but uncomprssed size can reach hundreds of gigabytes, so i'm not so sure tbh. it doesn't need many features - simple access by ID (aka in filename) is enough, considering that if it got stored than it was parsed and basic attrs saved somewhere

Nautilus can't handle opening a folder with 50k files

[narrow radish]

Can someone please decode this base 64 for me, it’s not text I’ve tried.
I need like a sentence or something from it
If you can dm it to me if you have found an answer please do

=ASZ2lGbgUGagkXYtByZu9GTgwicvJXZw1WRgUGaUBCbpFGQ

[soft bloom]

you know you can just ask chatgpt or google online decoder? you even claim you know which encoding that is.
otherwise sus

[narrow radish]

I’ve asked chat gpt it got me no where
And decoding it online from base 64 gets me a bunch of funny symbols.

I mean I found this: ** ÙfM¡ç1ÁZ8Úá**
That doesn’t look right though.

[grim panther]

The answer probably is right. Maybe your question is simply wrong.

[waxen field]

why does it not go the direction i want it to when the train splits

and when i move the train station it goes the way i dony want it too

[twin dew]

My point was that "Epic" (best) settings shouldn't be expected to run with good performance with current gen hardware at all.

[soft bloom]

Yes, and i added that situation is even worse when you factor in high framerate high resolution monitors

[twin dew]

Depends on how high differences there are between the quality levels.
What is the same graphs like with the next two steps of quality down.

So STALKER 2 is made using UE5.
And UE5:s highest detail presets are named "Cinematic" for a reason, as they aren't meant to be used for games at all, but for video production.

There is very high performance demand difference from the highest game detail level to the final Cinematic level in the UE5 engine defaults.

Because if the ingame settings are named: Low, Medium, High, Ultra, Epic.
Then I would expect the Epic one is using those Cinematic subdetail settings.

As UE4/5 contains by default four normal detail settings (1, 2, 3, 4) for most of the options, and then fifth (Cine) one for some of them.

[soft bloom]

so actual usage of Cinematic is for 60fps tops

[twin dew]

For realtime or non-realtime video rendering for TV productions etc.
With hardware to match.

[soft bloom]

i rediscovered my 20Ah powerbank, and turns out it's enough to power Raspberry Pi!
should have used it for my sensors logging from the beginning
cause I stopped doing them after power station started turning off on its own - it had enough charge, it was happening after hours of consecutive operation, it wasn't turning on straight away and sometimes it suspiciously reported 100% after just plugging into grid.

[soft bloom]

sometimes having powerful choice is dangerous

[twin dew]

Satis 1.0 has some of them enabled in settings, but there is reason for this:

[soft bloom]

to make trailers?..

[mental oriole]

To melt your pc.

[twin dew]

You can always enable them with console.
But yes, I would expect the main use would be taking screenshots of builds.

And there is reason why those are @cine, when rest are just numbered.

In the backend.

So you cannot use sg.FoliageLoadDistance 5 to set that, you need to use sg.FoliageLoadDistance cine

For example for View Distance, the UE5.3 defaults are:

r.SkeletalMeshLODBias=2
r.ViewDistanceScale=0.4

[ViewDistanceQuality@1]
r.SkeletalMeshLODBias=1
r.ViewDistanceScale=0.6

[ViewDistanceQuality@2]
r.SkeletalMeshLODBias=0
r.ViewDistanceScale=0.8

[ViewDistanceQuality@3]
r.SkeletalMeshLODBias=0
r.ViewDistanceScale=1.0

[ViewDistanceQuality@Cine]
r.SkeletalMeshLODBias=0
r.ViewDistanceScale=10.0```
So gigantic jump from Ultra to Cine

For Global Illumination, from Ultra to Cine some variables get 5 times larger.

For Effects Quality, Ultra vs. Cine is disabling lot of optimizations, bumping some things up a step, doubling some things.

And would need to see elsewhere what those settings bumps did.

[soft bloom]

hmmm, is it used for just any screenshots? could be nice option

[twin dew]

Not automatically.

Some games do bump all video options to max for ingame screenshot being taken, Satisfactory doesn't.

[soft bloom]

potential for small mod

[twin dew]

But point being, if Unreal Engine 5 game has more than 4 detail levels, the highest is probably using those Cinematic detail presets.
Game maker CAN add other numeric options over the defaults if they want to, but almost no-one has ever done that.

[soft bloom]

i remember The Talos Principle bahving a bit weird in photomode
exiting it somehow affects objects, and screenshots can be grainy quite often, but inconsistantly

[twin dew]

And expecting playable frame rates on the Cinematic settings is just stupid.

[soft bloom]

but people are buing top of the line cpu and GPU expecting exactly that, haha

remember from few years ago frequent statements in game review "poor performance even on 4090"

(which is probably out of context of actually unoptimized games...)

[twin dew]

That "Can it run Crysis" was from this exact thing.
The max settings in it were meant to be for future computers, not then current.
But the coding was fucked up in a way that the future computers didn't improve in some of the specific areas that would have been needed.

[soft bloom]

yep, bet on single thread/clock

distributed systems ftw

[twin dew]

But ok, seems the game only has Low, Medium, High, Epic.
But even the Low settings are very good quality visuals.

So it isn't using the Cinematic ones.

So yes, seems the devs targeted the details for any somewhat modern GPU to be able to hit 60 FPS with right settings, but not more if you don't use very high powered GPU with very low details.

[soft bloom]

I'm still amazed with how SE4 in TTP1 could look so good on low end. but they switched to UE5 too

[night girder]

That's not a valid base 64 string.

[twin dew]

Probably reversed character order

"@ail The Emperor, Long may he live "

[night girder]

@ail The Emperor, Long may he live

[twin dew]

So two typoes in there, the extra end space and the @ instead of H.

[night girder]

Not sure 😛

Long with a capital? No "." to end it. 😄

Anyway, long live the king!

Baldur, if a system has insufficient power, what happens?

In this case, I am speaking of a PC system.

[twin dew]

As in PSU isn't powerful enough, or the wall cannot deliver power, or what?

If PSU, either the PSU blows, the voltage droops, or the PSU shuts down.

[night girder]

Do you get blue screens?

[twin dew]

From that voltage droop or unclean power, possibly.

But any decend PSU does that last option from Over Current Protection.

[night girder]

Don't the system just shut down?

How can there be enough time to go to a blue screen.

[twin dew]

From that OCP, shutting the PSU down.

[night girder]

But... a shut down = no power.

For a blue screen you need power?

[twin dew]

And that was the point, with decent PSU you shouldn't be able to get BSODs or like from unsufficient PSU.

[night girder]

Yes, a faulty power supply unit (PSU) can contribute to a Blue Screen of Death (BSOD) by causing hardware instability, overheating, or insufficient power to components. However, BSODs are more commonly caused by issues with drivers or other hardware failures.

Huh, interesting.

[twin dew]

Good PSU shuts down before getting overloaded to level that would cause output issues.
Bad PSU doesn't.

[night girder]

I though, like the ML says, that it was caused by drivers and hardware failure.

If a machine runs out of power, how can it go to blue screen so weird.

[twin dew]

Because that bad PSU doesn't shut down, and instead start to deliver crap to rest of the computer.

When it is overloaded.

[night girder]

Mhm, then those components start to deliver crap, and system goes into blue screen.

[twin dew]

Yup.

[night girder]

Have you read when I postedf the new asrock PSU's?

I think it's the first time they produced it.

It can produce 5,2V instead of 5V to counter voltage drops further down the system.

And it had some people concerned.

[twin dew]

Will probably actually be produced by one of the (three?) major PSU makers.
Like basically all the other PSUs on the market, just with some customizations from the base platform, like almost all other PSUs.

[night girder]

Because if a MOBO is made for 5V, it doesn't want 5.2V,

[twin dew]

Still within ATX tolerance, if the overshoots aren't big.

[night girder]

Still interesting no?

That PSU makers start to do this. It means something.

btw, 5.25 is max for ATX spec.

[twin dew]

All the rails are specced to stay within +-5% to be ATX compliant, so up to 5.25V is acceptable.

[night girder]

So it's really close to the edge.

[twin dew]

Just needs +-1% tolerance to basically stay in.

[night girder]

I can see the point people make, you have no room. If ASROCK fucks it up, you are frying your motherboard.

[twin dew]

Which is pretty common today.

[night girder]

I mean production faults etc.

[twin dew]

And that 5.25V isn't anywhere near the actual tolerance for the components wanting 5V input.

The base regulation being from 5.00V or 5.20V doesn't really matter.

[night girder]

Oh, that's a bold statement. People disagree.

[twin dew]

But at same time, that extra 0.2V doesn't matter either to the end compoents.

Just marketing.

[night girder]

Google translate:

Specs are there to be adhered to, so that everything works reliably. If 5.20V was better because losses in the cable still had to be compensated, that would be the spec.

[twin dew]

And they are in the spec, if the actual regulation from that 5.2V base is max little under +1%.

5.2*1.01 = 5.252V.

And most basic CMOS chips etc. that are to be run on 5V supply have at least 5.5V as absolute max rating.

The voltage they can tolerate without damage while in use.

And almost nothing runs on direct 5V anymore, but with regulator to lower voltage on the thing that wants 5V, and with wider input voltage tolerance from that.

Which is what makes that 5.2V boost pure marketing that doesn't matter.

Because there would need to be FUCKTON of VDroop on the 5V rail before it started to matter.

On a rail that is almost completely not used anymore.

For the things that want "accurate" 5V, just mostly use 12V input and local regulation.

[night girder]

OEM would be Seasonic (rumor)

[night girder]

Yeah, read that comment too from someone.

That it's all 12V now.

Not sure, maybe asrock knows more than we 😉

[twin dew]

Trivial to implement "feature" to add differentiation to the marketing.

[night girder]

In the sense, maybe they noticed that 5.2V can help with certain situations.

They have a motherboard line, so they get reports in from support.

[night girder]

Not sure if it's purely marketing. ASRock is still ok in my book.

For their challenger line, you cannot even disable the 5V boostmodus.

For the Steel Legend line you can 😒

[soft bloom]

psu blows? i goes i shouldn't temp fait by keeping pc on when power off is scheduled

[pure karma]

the thing is i have done just about every test i know and im still equally as far as i was when i started

[twin dew]

And the list of those is?

[pure karma]

i did contact support to make sure the keyboard driver listed is actually up to date but obviously no reply yet

[twin dew]

That is WINDOWS base file...

[pure karma]

Cinebench for about 6 hours straight: No instability
Memtest86: pass 0 errors
Furmark for a little over 15 hours straight: no instabillity
Literally every OCCT test plugged in and not plugged in (1 hour each): circles back to the ram/vram every time

[twin dew]

Prime95?
Y-Cruncher?
Combined testing?

[pure karma]

cant do combined on battery power because it draws to much power so its not really a consitent measure