off-topic-tech

[verbal raft]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-25423506

[glossy glacier]

you mean "copy intel but make bigger number better"?

[verbal raft]

Yeah

[verbal raft]

Also good GN 14700k review reference

https://tenor.com/view/gigabyte-psu-explodes-gamers-nexus-power-supply-gif-23202345

Better GIF

for it

[dire igloo]

it's been in my favorites for months

[willow pike]

everyone keeps calling it a core i9

it's a core ultra 9

this is not going to stick

it'll be i9 forever

maybe they'll change their mind on it like they changed their mind on the fucking cpu design

[glossy glacier]

probably not. cause there are core ultra and core non-ultras now. so in some cases you need to (omit) the ultra to differenciate two chips and that will stick

[maiden coyote]

I feel like if your new top of the line product is beated by your previous gens top, you've done something wrong

Maybe it's beaten by the previous gen i5.. my point still stands

[wanton orchid]

it's a 12year old AI

very old so very much lot experienced

[night girder]

you said AI! 😮

[wanton orchid]

because I'm talking about the bullshit someone at the board probably sell for a lot

[edgy hazel]

That's so malicious

[verbal raft]

but at least it doesnt melt!

[soft bloom]

"i present you name that was chosen by most advanced ai (that is also below average intellect, is cheaper than what any of you cost in single sneeze)"

[willow pike]

they ditched zluda when they had a shot at making rocm a big deal, which (thanks to MI300) they do

better to have developers develop on your platform than try to imitate another's and have your shit vulnerable to nvidia shenanigans

it's still uh... not super great on desktop

[dire igloo]

If they think that ROCm can catch up to CUDA, I'm all for it.
But if it's gonna stay behind constantly just as Zluda would, no point

[willow pike]

they also have adopted the nvidia strategy of sharing architecture between server, workstation and gaming

RDNA and CDNA, which are both Vega babies, are recombining into UDNA

they're also on record as saying they are becoming a software company rather than just a hardware company

CUDA is more than just an api, it's a whole white glove service

AMD are gonna capture 10%, maybe 20% of AI sales away from Nvidia, which translates to one metric fuckbillion of money

in big servers anyway

this foothold and the extra investment give rocm a real chance at becoming a contender everywhere

problem with zluda is there is absolutely nothing stopping Nvidia from updating CUDA in a way that doesn't affect geforces but absolutely cripples radeons

AMD would be stuck in a cycle of fixing it forever

it was a fine idea when they had only a whisper of a dream of competing with CUDA, but now they have much bigger ambitions

[wanton orchid]

historically they have been behind in software design though

[willow pike]

hence becoming

[wanton orchid]

I'm talking system performance architecture design here

[willow pike]

nvidia have more software employees than hardware

[wanton orchid]

I dont know if they have the software brain backup for it
when even big google etc.. are doing dumb system architecture things when looking very closely (which I admit very few people can do)

they did a good job with rdna and zen architecture design
but software design is not hardware design
it's a lot more abstract

yet still have real world computing power and efficiency implication

from my experience very few people are actually skilled/trained to do the bridge

[willow pike]

maybe they'll hire the big brains who left intel in the past few years lmao

[wanton orchid]

it have been a plague problem even with windows implementation on cpu for instance

[verbal raft]

"bestbuy has a sale on intels 12th gen CPUs which is intels best architecture" Gamers Nexus Steve: 29th of oct. 2024

[willow pike]

lmfao

i mean it's not shitass broke so

[willow pike]

wat

[twin dew]

Marketer wrote down six buzzwords, so it must be 6D!

[jagged snow]

Well y'all, I may be hosed

[willow pike]

what the fuck

how did you break a brother printer driver of all things

[twin dew]

Service related to the driver for that has broken down.

[jagged snow]

Old logi webcam drivers apparently borked every audio/video hid

[willow pike]

this is also why i long for the day when windows gets an immutable file system that can be repaired with simple checksum

[willow pike]

ew gross

[jagged snow]

Except it's also hdmi audio and headphones that are also not working and have the same error

[wanton orchid]

I didn't see the "ultra precise vibrate"
it's like saying "ultra accurate blur"

[twin dew]

Yeah, was too quick on that.
Yes, that Logitech driver borked something really well in Windows...

[jagged snow]

Sure looks that way

But a reinstall is going to be an incredibly painful process for me

[wanton orchid]

BTW did you know ghub actually usually make my Logitech mouse LESS accurate gradually when I let it on

when I restart it usually comes back very smooth

[jagged snow]

I have no way to back all this up off my boot drive

[wanton orchid]

some "auto adaptive" shit that actually shift it to shit gradually probably

[jagged snow]

I'm currently without a nas

[willow pike]

y'all should have seen how painful my upgrade to windows 11 was

no xbox games would launch

• because the xbox app was broke
• because the windows store was broke
• because it couldn't reserve a firewall rule in windows defender
• because windows firewall was completely inoperable
• because one registry key was corrupted with bad permissions

[jagged snow]

Registry stuff is an unbelievable pain

I'd assume this is just one key that's set to the wrong value or something

But I can't do a lot of really critical work without it

[willow pike]

i had to get PSTools (telnet type thing) to run regedit and unfuck the key

because it was so fucked i couldn't even view the key's permissions

the absolute milisecond i deleted the key, windows re-created it and everything snapped into existence

(it was probably caused by my SSD corrupting itself, a known issue with samsung 980 pro)

i cannot begin to commuincate how much of a ballache it was to figure that out

[wanton orchid]

hasnt it been fixed with firmware updates though ?

[willow pike]

it did but the corruption is permanent

i warrantied it and got a 990

[glossy glacier]

ReFS?

[near veldt]

I’m tempted to upgrade my main monitor from 4k 144 to 240hz would it be worth it in your opinion or not noticeable? I do have a 4090 so my specs can handle it

[tribal kraken]

Even 4090 is not enough to drive 4k to 240 fps for most games, so first thing to consider is what games you play

[dire igloo]

Depends on the games really

But you'll encounter a different obstacle: DSC (display stream compression)

DP1.4 only goes up to 120Hz without DSC

Anyways, the only reason for anyone to upgrade from 4K 144Hz to 4K 240Hz is a change of panel type - 144Hz vs 240Hz is rather meaningless at 4K, IPS vs OLED not so much

[tribal kraken]

Yeah, my HP Omen 65" cant get 4K@144Hz without chroma subsampling set to 4:2:2 but lowering to 4K@120Hz will allow RGB or 4:4:4

Not noticeable in games, but sometimes if need to do desktop work home I drop it to 120Hz to have better text and black

No experience how DSC looks for 4K 240HZ monitors, guessing cant tell the difference while gaming

[jagged snow]

I'm assuming none of y'all have any easy solution to fixing that registry issue other than a reinstall?

[twin dew]

No, as AFAIK there isn't "known good" setup you could put in in general.

[jagged snow]

Yeah that's really fun

Alrighty

Got a couple hundred gigs to back up over wan

[twin dew]

Check if you have restore point you could return to?

Before the fucked up install?

[jagged snow]

I'd hope so

I believe I have one from when I initially configured the install

Likely nothing since then

[twin dew]

Windows does the periodically if you have space allocated for them.

[jagged snow]

That functionality never seems to work for me

Every time I've needed to restore it's been something from months or years ago

[glossy glacier]

@jagged snow back-up everything absolutely critical and just install windows over it

[jagged snow]

You're missing the fact that the only place I can back up hundreds of gigs is over slow wan

[glossy glacier]

If you don't delete the partitions, the installer will move everything into a windows.Old folder

Or do a in-place install with the option "keep everything"

[night girder]

This is wild: blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2024/10/28/googles-shadow-campaigns/

Europe is not the only jurisdiction where Google is engaged in these tactics, nor is software licensing for the cloud the only topic Google is using to **attack **us behind the scenes.

We understand Google is a main funder of the U.S.-based Coalition for Fair Software Licensing, which has levied **attacks **on our cloud computing business in the United States, the United Kingdom, and the EU.

Google has also **attacked **us on topics ranging from cybersecurity to our business in China, pitching stories to reporters, suggesting questions to congressional offices ahead of hearings, and distributing documents in major capitals around the world. Earlier this year, Google distributed a “fact sheet” in Washington DC attempting to drum up concerns about our approach to the Chinese market.

They use the word attack 7 times in that post. I guess Google went to war with Microsoft 😅

TL;DR: Microsoft says it's holier than holier. An angel. Never doing anything unethical. While Google is the devil itself. A company who uses dirty tactics to drag other companies through the mud. This is what Microsoft claims. Freaking hilarious.

[jagged snow]

Nothing at high enough voltage for you to feel

Probably bad grounding and static buildup

[wanton orchid]

when Google is not white
Microsoft as been blatantly dark shaded lately
this is a ridiculous pr stunt is all I see

BTW by doing so they are effectively trying to have outside procedures influences too

this is like going in the street to shout that public speech is bad

[soft bloom]

i really wonder how this happened...

[wanton orchid]

what's in parentheses ?

[night girder]

Have you read the full blog post?

[soft bloom]

oh, kek

[night girder]

The whole section "Microsoft’s approach" is pretty funny.

[soft bloom]

just the regular assignment to year, month etc. all correct

[wanton orchid]

no but what you > ed is enough for what I said I guess

[soft bloom]

also i'm offended that datetime doesn't apreciate year going that far

[night girder]

We are always listening when it comes to our products, licensing, and business strategy, which is why we try to respond to genuine feedback from customers, partners, and regulators and make swift changes.

We’ve made these changes, and others, not because we believed we were doing something improper but because we understand that the role and responsibility that we have as an important global technology company and the heightened expectations that governments, regulators, policymakers, customers and partners have of us.

That's the part that really made me giggle 😄

They playing the innocent card 😂

[wanton orchid]

it's even already contradictory

"respond to genuine feedback from consumers"
"we've made these changes,[] not because we believed we were doing something improper"

the whole point of taking feedbacks for important is to feel like that means something improper was done and need to be corrected (what was in the feedback)

translates to "we are listening to feedback and then making change" "but we were perfect already"

[night girder]

Honestly, I don't get this move from them. Why does Rima Alaily (CVP, Deputy General Counsel) make a blog post, attacking google saying google is attacking Microsoft? What purpose has this besides making it public and throwing mud? If you think you are wronged, use the legal system and let a judge make a ruling. But crying about it in your own blogpost gets you nowhere. Google isn't going to read it. And if they read it, they are not going to stop.

[verbal raft]

which company?

[night girder]

Microsoft 😄

[night girder]

Full blog post here 👆 (posted yesterday)

[wanton orchid]

the company that is not even listening to fucking European union btw

[night girder]

It's crazy ...

[verbal raft]

microsoft=microsh*t

[night girder]

pot calling the kettle black

And there is no defending Google either. But MS trying to take moral high ground when it has no legs to stand on.

[verbal raft]

waaaaaaaaaaat

[wanton orchid]

they also never responded to any official forum post apart from bot saying they have mit and oxford awards business and also that the advanced methodology to Microsoft mail leaking files is to restart your computer and then prey

[night girder]

Yeah, so what I read in an article was that Microsoft got approached by a cloud company, who claimed they got approached by a lobby group of google. And the cloud company didn't go along with lobby group and then went to Microsoft to rat them out.

[wanton orchid]

"execute the windows troubleshooter"

2 mm from saying "unplug and plug back [insert anything randomly here]"

[night girder]

It sounds like Google is a crime family now 😂

"will likely present itself as a backseat member rather than its leader".

[wanton orchid]

Microsoft exposing themselves through projection

[night girder]

Yup, if any goverment forbids google from doing this, I am pretty sure, this hypothetical law will also apply to Microsoft and bite them in the arse.

[wanton orchid]

it will bite them harder even
Google gained influence through infrastructures and features provided to communities
Microsoft gained influence from mostly Windows based gaslighting

[night girder]

Oh, I forgot about this one. Happened in september: www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/google-files-eu-antitrust-complaint-against-microsoft
So, this feels like revenge.

TLDR: Google said it has filed a formal complaint against Microsoft with the European Union’s top antitrust regulator, escalating a long-running dispute over the cloud-computing business.

[wanton orchid]

probably linked to Microsoft windows based gaslighting I was just talking about (probably about android stuff and hyperv shit I guess)

oh

[night girder]

When* tech giants go to war with eachother it's 🍿 time.

[wanton orchid]

not even

[wanton orchid]

yep

they used to work financially together which was fucking scary in corruption potential
now it gives ptsd relieves a bit

[night girder]

From a consumer's standpoint, this is good I think? Competition keeps the cloud market healty.

If they really try to win over client to their cloud services, I guess lower prices can be a good incentive, as an example of how this can benefit a consumer.

[wanton orchid]

probably Google was like naa this is too far you're risking my business
and Microsoft got arrogant enough to try to pull a Microsoft way on Google
(doing gaslighting and actually all the shit they attack Google about WHILE OBVIOUSLY DOING SO THEMSELVES)

[night girder]

You probably right. I think, Google might have a legal case, that's why they filed a official complaint with EU. And Microsoft, seems to have nada at the moment, so they throw shade in a blog. Unless in the future, Microsoft can actually present a factual case.

[wanton orchid]

from what I said it's like 2 scammers going legally at each other's because of a disagreement (one went too far for the other's pov)
Google being the smart one (thinking Microsoft went too far) and Microsoft the bold one who think it'll still work his way

I say smart scammer also as in scamming "legally"
while Microsoft is mostly gaslighting

[night girder]

Yeah, I haven't read anything about Microsoft taking legal actions.

Google didn't want to respond to this news

[wanton orchid]

So my end of story is : Microsoft forgot it was going his way in part with Google match and against others business
trying doing the same against Google will be 🍿

tldr : to me it feels like Microsoft trying to scam his former scamming strategy partner

i.e Google is far more prepared (and guarded) legally than Microsoft

cases Google lost was lost over general social and economical study and antitrust prevention
not over explicitly forbidden and regulated practices

(even if they always are borderline which calls for prevention ruling)

Microsoft is like obviously trying to play with recent EU laws

and other things

probably thinking they are untouchable

[stray badger]

My 21 is still alive and well after almost 4 years, samsung has been good

[tough owl]

I don't think it's that

More like existing apps are trying to do more consistently

[soft bloom]

sometimes i think those complication are intentional
this is from the list of seismograph stations

first of all, these 2 have identical code and location
second, the one with better title, location and coords is somehow "closed", while the other one is open.

[soft bloom]

I think i broke webarchive...

It stopped working on my request to store page with stations list

[dire igloo]

I'm on Poco F5 rn, dope stuff tho some hickups.
Samsung A series is strong too, idk about other options - plus of course Chinesium brands

[twin dew]

Weird orders:
Just ordered spare speaker set for Asus laptop with working speakers.
But switched 2.4GHz 1x1 N WLAN card to 2x2 AC WLAN card, but the laptop only had one antenna in it.
And the extra antenna cannot be bough separately, so had to order the better variants speakers that come with two WLAN antennas in them.
25e with delivery from official EU spare parts store.

Was limited to 1x1 AC in testing, so 433Mb/s max, and that second antenna will up that to 866Mb/s link speed.
But already the in-house speed to the NAS was 3-4x what it was before, and that second antenna will double it again.

[soft bloom]

https://youtu.be/u4PMwpMGTdY?si=JqjL5AgcaWvgoAf9
imagine having to actually go through those patches?..

[midnight osprey]

Hey guys I have a 3900x and thinking about upgrading to 5950x. Would I need a different mobo?

[wanton orchid]

depends your mobo

you would certainly need bios update

am4 have been so compatible and long lived that nobody can garantee you anything without you giving nformation on what specific revision of motherboard you have

especially considering you may have already setup 3900x on an older motherboard in a retrocompatibility fashion

[midnight osprey]

I have TUF Gaming X570-Plus

[wanton orchid]

latest bios is september 30 2024

[midnight osprey]

bios updates for mobo's scare me

I once bricked one, lol

[twin dew]

And that MB can recover from bricked one by putting correctly named file on USB stick into right port.

[midnight osprey]

nice

the time I did brick was when following a guide that omitted the step of needing to rename some file

that was an asus years ago

[wanton orchid]

5950x compatible officially since v2607
dating back august 17 2020 (lacking stability and security patches)

[midnight osprey]

lovely

[twin dew]

That rename is only needed for that recovery flash...
Normal one doesn't care, something else went wrong.

[midnight osprey]

next question, why on earth would they discount it so heavily?

[twin dew]

Because they want to get rid of the stock?
And 5950X is basically dead anyways because 5900XT is same, with just 100MHz less frequency.

[midnight osprey]

cool!

[wanton orchid]

renaming means either it takes it or it does not update
something else went wrong

can be defective usb stick

btw latest version is 5020

[twin dew]

Used to be much more common to fail, todays updaters have lot of extra checks in them to try to minimize any issues.
Including booting to fail-safe mode with any manual tweaks in BIOS disabled, then loading the whole file into RAM, and checking the checksum etc. after, and only then updating the actual FLASH chip, and even possibly checking it again after flash before reboot, but that part isn't shown as you have no UI after that boot to fail-safe update mode.

And then you now have some way to recover on most MBs without needing FLASH chip swap or external programmer.

[wanton orchid]

• dual stacked high tier motherboard (possibly with physical switch)

[twin dew]

Asus has never had that kind of thing where there are multiple chips AFAIK.

Gigabyte has, but very few had that switch and the autoswitch logic is just broken.

[wanton orchid]

anyway , much more ways to screw physical cpu swaping and installation, than bios update (perform clean bios update before swaping cpu, so you know your motherboard is working well ready to update safely)

[midnight osprey]

Will do thanks.

[midnight osprey]

Nice

[maiden coyote]

You can always recover from a bricked bios with a programmer

So I wouldn't be worried about it.. just don't do something dumb like try to use your phone as mass storage with the bios update, or format the USB drive with a phone and try to update it..

[twin dew]

Most don't have them, and as the chips are now surface mounts without sockets, getting one to someone to reprogram is impossible for most.

[maiden coyote]

In circuit programming may work. It's kind of a crapshoot.. desoldering is the way to go

[twin dew]

Yeah, but again, finding someone to do the programming, even if you can take the MB to them can be real pain.

[maiden coyote]

I accept mail-ins lol

[twin dew]

I did that once for laptop BIOS chip that bricked on security update.
Desoldered it, soldered it into socket with wires and took it to place that could flash it, when visiting that other city for another reason.

[maiden coyote]

But overall unless you're pc loses power while it writing the nand or you flash it with the wrong firmware it's safe

The last one I did was a videocard that was flashed with some custom firmware, and wouldn't take it through windows or accept the drivers for it

[gilded helm]

What does it take to get Discord to reliably send notifications to my phone? Google is full of SEO garbage unfortunately, and it's hilarious that in 2024 I honestly don't know a better place than spots like this to ask.

But just now I know that someone isn't responding to DMs, and is later going to be pissed that their phone probably didn't send the notification until they thought to actually open Discord. This is randomly better or worse with Discord over the past several years, and it's been seemingly quite bad over the past month.

[edgy hazel]

Sometimes it sends notifications, sometimes not.

[wanton orchid]

ask discord why they are redownloading every single gif in your favorite gif tab everytime you scroll up or down (yes even if you do not leave the gif tab)

probably that what consume discord bandwidth is user file size right ? :clueless:

not at all gif redownloaded 12 times every day each for half a billion users

most annoying discord ui bugs as been living for more than 5 years for some

[gilded helm]

Meanwhile they spend their time inventing more dumb variations on stickers and crap

[pure karma]

anyone mentioned the $2.5Decillion lawsuit against google in here yet? lol

[verbal raft]

when i saw it i thought it was a joke

[pure karma]

well it kind of is because lets be real there is no way in hell russia is winning 2.5Decillion dollars for threatening to double the money they ow every week and then being like ay ay ay you ow us $791237197237172939712397971

[stray badger]

"how do we get money for this war"

[soft bloom]

earth scientists: let's keep seismograph station codes short and simple - a couple letters and maybe digits is all it takes
meanwhile some guy in West Virginia:

literally worst 1%

[gilded helm]

I'm guessing $2500 for a 28GB 5090. I'm guessing 32GB configurations will only be in enterprise products.

[willow pike]

no less than $2000

[gilded helm]

No 4090 Ti popping up is probably a sign that enterprise demand is strong enough that they have no need of a 5090 Ti with 32GB. Or if they do something like that, it'll be $3000+ Titan branded

[wanton orchid]

ah yes the whole gaming pc priced not entreprise branded graphic card

I think some of them are laughing with "what are you gonna scrap now, uh ? hahaha"

[languid gulch]

if i have 16gb vram, i'm gonna use 16gb vram

[stray badger]

or smth like an RTX 6000 Blackwell

[rustic panther]

I read Nvidia's security bulletin (Can't link it here but update your drivers to 566.03 or later) and I thought back to all the folks on here that insist on sticking with Windows 7 :V

Also, update your GPU drivers :V

[twin dew]

Just leave the front protocol specifier off?

This?
nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5586

[dire igloo]

Imagine they get an overflow and now their system tells them they owe Google - generally speaking tho, I wanna see what happens when Google just doesn't pay

[rustic panther]

derp

[edgy hazel]

Someday Google is gonna owe one Googol

[verbal raft]

HOLY STUTTER (just from grabing the pipe hologram)

[soft bloom]

Do people ever choose what gets displayed on these monitors?
I mean like, it's a clutter of everything
Also SF has built in monitor through console (thnaks to ue5 i guess?)
Also this is about Satis - not "offtopic"

[verbal raft]

1st yes you can choose exactly what you want on these monitors:

2nd SF does have a console command that brings up an fps counter but i didnt use it because it doesnt have a frametime graph

[soft bloom]

press ~
then type in unit
it will suggest a bunch of things, one of them gives you frametimes
and there's graph commnds, but they didn't work for me...

[verbal raft]

3rd i dont like talking about performance in the SF channels because i dont think thats what we are meant to talk about there

[verbal raft]

IDK MSI afteburner works fine for me

[pure karma]

rate my rpm lol

[mental oriole]

[verbal raft]

👀

this part isnt that impressive honestly

they even got tim willits in there!

+FSR 4 tease

[verbal raft]

oh,well i dont quite belive AMDs first party performance claims

they also didnt mension pricing which worries me

[willow pike]

where is video

I have it

[willow pike]

they're getting fancy with SoIC

[verbal raft]

wait theres a GN video??????????????

[willow pike]

no benchmark

just talking about announcement

if you recognise that as GN you need to go touch grass

...i probably do too

[verbal raft]

maybe

[verbal raft]

its also in my bio

[willow pike]

as am i

i absolutely need to touch grass

[verbal raft]

i'm curios of what userbechwarkspartschmart will say of the 9800X3D

[willow pike]

advanced marketing devices are bribing people to say it's good

[night girder]

Why nobody every say: go touch a keyboard? 🤔

[sand saddle]

Lmao the font on the bottom

[pure karma]

the background and "AMD Press Release" text really gives it away

[verbal raft]

it was the hexagons that gave it away for me

[soft bloom]

Being nerd doesn't mean you don't touch grass

I will say that not being a nerd is kinda cringe. I mean what are going to talk about, Kardashians?

Every successful person is a nerd at something

[soft bloom]

Technology Connections turned into food reaction channel

[verbal raft]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

[edgy hazel]

dry it

[soft bloom]

so, technically, is water wet or it makes things wet?

[wanton orchid]

if wet is "have water inside" : it's wet
if wet is "apply water to what it touch" : it's wet

so it's wet enough to also makes things wet

it's 100% wet

[soft bloom]

so how much dry i need to apply to drop it to 99% wet?

[twin dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amQOwllDXWE

[twin dew]

So the major issue with older X3Ds was the interfaces between the actual CCD silicon and the structural silicon layer above it, for the heat transfer, as expected.

[minor scarab]

I'm looking forward to April 1st more than to Christmas

need another user benchmark video

[verbal raft]

True

[stray badger]

thats not that bad of an issue to have when your chips are that effecient

[twin dew]

Just lead to that 200mV lower max voltage and lower frequency limits etc.
In order to limit the power usage.

It was good anyways, but could have been better.

But they had to reorganize the CCD power delivery to work with that flipped order for the dies.

To not have to worry about the cores cooking themselves when the heat transfer isn't fast enough to the IHS.

[stray badger]

the result was still great

[stray badger]

If 9000x3d fixed that then it will be unstoppable

Since they would be able to put 3d vcache on all ccds

Goodbye scheduling problems

[twin dew]

No overclocking limits etc. on it compared to non-X3D 9000:s based on that GN video, with more details once the embargo ends.

[willow pike]

also dramatically higher base clocks

y'know what's annoying?

intel has this tech too, it's called foveros direct

they just don't use it

[verbal raft]

extra cash might not be as benefitial to intel as AMD

[willow pike]

they know they will move units

it doesn't matter if they suck

they're insulated from their own bad decisions

while amd nearly fucking died after one bad generation

[twin dew]

Difference between having a tech in theory, and being able to manufacture it at scale, with sellable price and loss rate from failed units.

"We can do it at lab and get some testable units" vs. "We can actually manufacture at scale"

Remember that Intel had to go to TSMC for their latest products instead of their own fabs.

Not just the Core Ultras

[muted oak]

DoD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IroPQ150F6c&t=394s

[willow pike]

www.semafor.com/article/11/01/2024/concerns-grow-in-washington-over-intel

they're gonna subsidise intel like high fructose corn syrup

[languid gulch]

i mean, they already have with the CHIPs act

i wonder if the US would be more amenable to TSMC if they formally moved their HQ & tax base to the US

[stray badger]

wdym amenable? we are defending their country partly because of them lol

i feel like that counts as a subsidy

[twin dew]

There is lot of critical production that would have needed to be bought back to western countries 10+ years ago.
That is part of it finally being done.

I had personally thought we would have about 10 more years before shit hit the fan.
But based on yesterdays reading, China might themselves think they will be ready in 2027 to invade Taiwan with their navy buildup etc.
And because how badly US and EU has fucked up on acting against Russia, there is very high chance that China will expect the response to them invading Taiwan to be same or way less.
As we would be completely fucked currently in any economic war, and pretty fucked in real war too, with all the China starting supply chains cut.
Such economic war would hurt China too as country, but like with Russia, it doesn't matter to the leaders that the common people would suffer.

As for example one of the problems in bringing artillery shell production up has been that no-one but China is producing one of the precursors to military explosives.

Cellulose (cotton from China currently) for nitrocellulose production at least.

China also just had propaganda recently about their new "1000 cruise missiles per day at 24/7 production" mostly-automated factory (almost certainly inflated number, but how inflated?).
At time when US production for US Navys main long range anti-air missile is targeted for 550 per year, being raised from lower production.

With appeasement, price always goes up.
And price for doing anything about China attacking Taiwan would be very high.
Now that basically any "don't do it, we will respond", has been shown to be just talk so far, with Russias various actions in last 15 years.

Only Xi matters with Taiwan.
And Xi wants Taiwan now, not in future.

Major difference with China before Xi took the power, and after.

Xi is now dictator for life of China.

Yeah, and targeted for taking Taiwan since then.

But not there yet, but getting there.

But basically Chinas whole policy changed when Xi took complete control, as only his opinion matters for what is the target.

And for him, getting Taiwan back ASAP is very high long time priority, no matter the cost.

If politically, better, but if needs a war, then it needs a war.

And if the political win and reintegration of Taiwan hasn't been accomplished when the military is ready, he doesn't seem to be willing to wait any more.

[fossil trench]

what

[rough parcel]

I will admit, it is a bit of a hassle to get things running on Linux if you are inexperienced. On the plus side if something (non-linux-native) crashes then it is reasonably recoverable. No bsodding or having to pull the plug.

[twin dew]

Ryzen 5500GT ordered, to get mothers desktop to officially Windows 11 capable, to replace current Ryzen 2200G.

[soft bloom]

why so high as 5500GT? seems like a leap.

i got into win11 with 3600

[twin dew]

Cheapest Zen 3 APU.

117e.

3200G with Zen1+ would have been 72e with much longer delivery time.

3400G 80e with same as the 5500GT.

4300G at 93e and 4600G at 101e between.

[soft bloom]

so you aimed for Zen3 ?

[twin dew]

With Zen 2 in them.

[twin dew]

Didn't see it good idea to skimp that when the computer is expected to be in use until it cannot run the necessary programs anymore or breaks.

[soft bloom]

honestly i wish i had these prices. 3600 was about 100eu year ago

[twin dew]

Previous one was replaced as AVX was needed for Photoshop etc.

With that 2200G being left-over.

[soft bloom]

2200G is a mighty tiny cpu

[twin dew]

Yeah, but Zen 1 and not officially supported for Win11.

Point was to get the CPU up to what the motherboard can handle for long term use, while you can still get AM4 CPUs new.

Going for the more expensive Zen 3 APU options wouldn't have made any sense anymore, but getting to Zen 3 might be relevant at some point.

And the other stupid thing is that I have extra low-end B450 board and 2x8GB of DDR4 lying around without CPU...

I personally don't have need for that combo, but will see if someone has.
Already got 5600X server, 4650G Pro secondary system and 7800X3D main system.
Originally that server was supposed to be that B450 board with that 2x8GB RAM and that 4650G CPU.

But now the server has X570 hobby-server board with BMC, 2x32GB of RAM and that 5600X CPU.
And got cheap B550 board for that 4650G Pro CPU and one half of the 4x8GB of ECC RAM I had for the server (only 2 slots), because wanted a board with DP + HDMI outputs for the IGP.

[winged valley]

I use a b550 taichi

with a 5950x. Its a docker/virtualization sever

[soft bloom]

I always praised Ubuntu's calculator
but today it betrayed me - it doesn't have conversion of Joules to kWh

[languid gulch]

feels kinda wild to me that 1st gen ryzen counts as too old

[maiden coyote]

too old for gaming?

[languid gulch]

for jumping to win11

[twin dew]

Windows 11 only officially supports Zen 1+, or Intel 8th gen or newer (with some specific Intel 7th gen CPUs which Microsoft was themselves still selling in their own complete systems supported).

Zen1+ at least in theory brings some specific little security related thing more to the table than Zen1, but that Intel 7th vs 8th gen is completely arbitrary line as far as I know.

[rustic panther]

Isn't that like 7 years old at this point?

[languid gulch]

stop making me feel old

[twin dew]

But Windows 11 was launched with those limitations in fall 2021.
And Microsoft was still selling laptops and specialist systems with 7th gen Intel CPUs that weren't supported.
They retroactively added those specific models they were still selling to the supported list.

And Zen 1 was launched in february 2017.
And that 2200G was launched in february 2018.

[glossy glacier]

Nope, same reason as Zen vs Zen+. Some "important" instructions are added in 8th gen. And i think TPM 2.0, 7th gen is 1.4 iirc

[twin dew]

And that fTPM version wouldn't matter for machines with separate TPM 2.0 chip.

And would fall under the separate TPM version requirement.

[glossy glacier]

True, but Outsider coroperate, who adds a dTPM?

[twin dew]

But yeah, seems AES-NI and Intel SGX etc. were added in 8th gen.

No, AES-NI had been in for long time...

[twin dew]

But still doesn't need to be rolled into the CPU requirement.
As on desktop side almost all MBs had TPM headers, and on laptop side many laptops did include separate dTPM 2.0 chip.

And the check for TPM is completely separate from the CPU support list check.

And that "We added the 7th gen models we ourself still sold, and not all 7th gen of same silicons" is just complete fuck-you.

7th gen laptop CPUs were announced/paper launched in fall 2016.

[olive hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-world-silly-world-minecraft-smp-gif-24655962

Nvidia GPUs pov

Apple pov:
Need more storage than 512GB?
Just pay £150 extra for 1TB, when you could get a whole 2TB for that price on a PC!!! 🤑

[languid gulch]

been getting some weird crashes the last couple days

win10, latest update

all apps will just stop responding, monitor will dim slightly, start button will respond, but nothing inside it will respond

and occasionally windows explorer will slow to a crawl, hitting restart on it in task manager does bring it back to normal

gonna be pissed if it really is just RGB fusion being a shithead

[night girder]

What the fuck is this. "Know what servers you're in" ... for "protection" of the server?

[twin dew]

"Nice", letting the dev collect which Discord "servers" you are member of and your roles in each of them, not just for the one you need it...

[night girder]

Yeah, crazy right?

502.770 discord servers use this bot, and people all agree to it since I barely find any information about what is happening with this information. So nobody is asking questions. 🤨

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How to opt-out is brilliant:

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Well, I left that server pretty quickly 😂

[mental oriole]

I would never agree to that lol.

[soft bloom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atg1PN1sZfg
talking about holograms - there's a device that alternates phase of "pixels" on screen using digital controls

[cyan crescent]

Kinda tempted to switch to linux from windows 10. I refuse to use windows 11

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-14818845

btw apex just started blocking all linux machines

[verbal raft]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

and whyyyyy

[edgy hazel]

Because of "hacking"

[verbal raft]

ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh

yeah that willl truelyyyyyyyyy help keeep them haaaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrr awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

[tough owl]

never really liked ea but they took the cheap way out

[verbal raft]

lets start with this: how many people even play their games on linux?????????????????????????

[edgy hazel]

Steam deck

Also I do and I know several people as well

Windows has gone to shit at this point

[verbal raft]

oh,right the steam deck exists

i was asking in more of the grand scheme of things though

[verbal raft]

recall basicaly

[edgy hazel]

People are starting to switch. Very slowly but they are

[verbal raft]

does recall need 40 tops to be used? i cant remember

[stray badger]

Titanfall 2 still works on linux

whats funny is that EA couldn't make Apex work any longer, yet Veilguard has steam deck cert from day 1

speaking of which, Veilguard looks just like the CGI trailers for games from the 360/ps3 era, just actually in game

[tough owl]

it feels so weird to say but ive been a linux guy for the past 4 years

[mental oriole]

I'm switching next upgrade

[stray badger]

half a year on desktop, 3 on laptop. time flies

[visual tree]

Looks like my monitor is starting to show some burn-in after almost 9 years of use. Guess I should feel lucky since most electronics are designed to break after warranty expiration

What is even funnier is that the burn-in is actually satisfactory health status panel

[mental oriole]

It's not a healthbar for your monitor

[visual tree]

The healthbar is full, guess my SF character or monitor is in good health

The burn-in is not really that noticeable though and doesn't bother me much

But it will probably get worse over time

[stray badger]

LCD?

[visual tree]

Asus VG248QE (LED). Bought it almost 9 years ago

Surprised it's still working

[languid gulch]

every once in a while my mouse will start getting a bit......framey? if that makes sense. it's like it lags

[tough owl]

connectivity issues?

[languid gulch]

don't think so, dongle hasn't moved & it's plugged into the monitor

aaaaaaaaaand now i have a gpu fan making noise, great

[charred willow]

this is calc3 homework

I decided to track it. kinda wish I didn't. over the course of 2~ weeks.

[dire igloo]

Plug into PC

Cut out the middle man

[languid gulch]

good point

[languid gulch]

ya know what

you were bang on

wonky connection on that usb port

HOLY SHIT IT

it damn near burned me wtf

[narrow estuary]

Is SF allot faster on Linux?

[dire igloo]

It fuckin what now?

[languid gulch]

yup, too hot to keep a finger on the metal plug

[twin dew]

The dongle itself might be breaking down if it is heating that much.

[grizzled shadow]

uhh me for one

[twin dew]

So check if it still heats up at the new location.

To see if it is dongle or port.

[languid gulch]

apparently it's a known thing with sandisk flash drives

[twin dew]

Yeah, lot of flash drives get really hot in longer use.

[languid gulch]

think it's already been damaged, it's a 64gb but only showing 32

unless there's a weird formatting issue

[twin dew]

Probably formatting or partitioning issue.

32GB is the largest MS used to support for Fat32 partitions.

When formatting.

[languid gulch]

ah true

[twin dew]

Latest Win11 can do larger now.

[languid gulch]

lemme check, might just be dumb

yup, just dumb. it was hiding

there we go, much better

ok, got a fun one

OS is on a 4tb nvme, but it only shows up as 2tb, with the other half as unallocated. mounting that volume, then shrinking it, doesn't merge it

[twin dew]

Point is to remove the second volume and expand the first.

[languid gulch]

can't extend the OS volume, option is greyed out

[twin dew]

Ok, so would need to boot with something else then.

To do the OS volume expansion.

[languid gulch]

ew

[twin dew]

Or just work with two separate partitions.

[languid gulch]

might just mount it & have it as a separate 2tb folder

it's just the OS anyway

lol my drive page in explorer is such a shitshow rn

OS, OS partition now, 2 USBs, 2 internal fatties, 2 external fatties

& yes, i'm tempted to crack the cases on the externals & mount them inside

if i had a mobo with 3x nvme slots on it, i could stuck 15 drives inside my case without modding it

[glossy glacier]

@languid gulch is your drive MBR partitioned?

[languid gulch]

how can i check that

[glossy glacier]

MBR has a hard limit of 2TB per partition

[glossy glacier]

Your on Linux or Windows?

[languid gulch]

win10

[twin dew]

You would have EFI partition in Disk Management with GUID type, which isn't there for MBR.

GUID/GPT/EFI/UEFI type, vs. old MBR/BIOS type.

[glossy glacier]

Powershell > Get-Disk > last column shows partition style

[twin dew]

Ah, that explains it.
Your system partitions are in wrong order, so the C cannot be combined with the end free space.

[languid gulch]

is that correctable

[twin dew]

Not easily.

[languid gulch]

joy

so i have to nuke windows' recovery stuff to merge things?

[twin dew]

Easiest would be to nuke the whole drive contents and reinstall.
In theory can be moved and modified with suitable bootable linux live boot.
But would need multiple steps to move that EFI to start and that recovery to end.

[languid gulch]

yeesh

yea might just keep it as a partition 🤣

[glossy glacier]

yeah, with the efi partition somewhere in the middle a complete reinstall would be easiest

[languid gulch]

would destroying the recovery partitions do anything besides risk wrecking the entire drive

oh nvm, can't just do that

[glossy glacier]

disable recovery beforhand to prevent the loss of the recovery data and only thing you'll loose is the recovery capabilities of win

[twin dew]

Yeah, cannot be done via the graphical tools.
That is Windows Recovery Environment.
Needed for the various boot menus and fixing broken OS without install stick.

But seems EFI partition over the 2TB limit should still work.
But no idea why it is in that order...

You converted from MBR to GPT at some point?

[glossy glacier]

probably dirty way to convert from MBR to GPT

mbr2gpt in online OS does that

[languid gulch]

i think i did it to make my system win11 compatible

[twin dew]

Then the question is, how did you even have MBR formatted 4TB SSD with MBR booting OS on it...

[glossy glacier]

MBR can handle disks >2TB. Just in multiple 2TB partitions
and i guess by migrating from a old disk

[languid gulch]

i did jump from a sata ssd to nvme

maybe it didn't jump to gpt

[twin dew]

Ah, as clone, and not reinstall?

[languid gulch]

right

[glossy glacier]

yeah, if you migrate disk, it doesn't change the partition sheme

[languid gulch]

oooo not clone, yes reinstall with usb

[twin dew]

So selected wrong boot type for the USB.

[glossy glacier]

...then it probably created a MBR stick

[languid gulch]

well shit

[twin dew]

Booted as MBR type from the stick and not UEFI/GPT type installer.

The sticks supported both, and which entry you selected in UEFI boot menu determined which got used if UEFI had support for both on.

[languid gulch]

well, i can see what i'll be doing this week

not gonna start at 3am 🤣

thanks for the heads up

dumb question, does the win11 media creation automatically format as GPT?

[twin dew]

Probably doesn't support MBR anymore.
But just disabling CSM in BIOS will ensure that.
And that cannot be enabled for ReBAR or Secure Boot IIRC anyways.

CSM = Compatibility Support Module = BIOS emulation for MBR boot support etc.

[languid gulch]

this feels like a dumber transition than xp/vista

[twin dew]

With most motherboards, the new type entries had [UEFI] prefix or like.
And anything without prefix was old type entry.

[languid gulch]

ok, dumb question. this activation of windows is old

windows 8 i think

[twin dew]

If it has ever had Win10 or Win11 installed and activated, you can install either in Trial mode without key, and it will activate when it gets to Internet, if the HW is same.

[glossy glacier]

Did you bind your key to a MS account?

[languid gulch]

hw is not remotely the same 🤣

[twin dew]

Main point is the main LAN.
Doesn't need account.

[twin dew]

Same as right now with activated Windows.

[languid gulch]

ah, then yes

[twin dew]

Not the original.

[languid gulch]

i know there's some bullshit around keeping an OS with the same cpu or mobo

[twin dew]

There is extra stuff to do when MB changes, or otherwise the machines activation "fingerprint" changes too much in one go.

But main thing is that LAN card MAC address that is major part of that fingerprint.

So as long as that fingerprint matches, the Windows will autoactivate after internet connection.

When installed in Trial mode or like.

Without Windows key or Microsoft Account with OS license.

[languid gulch]

good to know 🙂

[boreal sable]

yo i feel like i have a virus bcuz my files keep filling up and whenevr i open windows security protection history it closes itself

[boreal sable]

actually it shows this then closes

wattesigma

[twin dew]

So yes, you do have a trojan and should basically reinstall.

[boreal sable]

how

[twin dew]

Reinstall whole operating system from scratch, with install stick made on some other computer and never plugged into your current computer while it is running current Windows.

[boreal sable]

imc ofnused tf do i do

[twin dew]

If you don't know, then you need outside help.

[edgy hazel]

support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/create-installation-media-for-windows-99a58364-8c02-206f-aa6f-40c3b507420d
Do this on a separate PC

Once that's done follow step 3 from here
learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/install-windows-from-a-usb-flash-drive?view=windows-11

[twin dew]

Yeah, creating it is easy, but if you don't know basics, I really wouldn't get newbie to do replacement reinstall.
When you cannot do backups in the main OS.

And would need to do those in separate one/live boot etc.

[willow pike]

@boreal sable your computer is cursed, brother

it must be obliterated

[edgy hazel]

Yeah next time don't download v-bucks cheats

[willow pike]

assume everything on your computer is tainted

quarantine the entire machine like it's patient zero in a zombie movie

even if there was a tool to remove the trojan from your computer, the trojan would not let you install it

[twin dew]

Yeah, which is the point to more skilled help to get into some Live boot environment to do partial cleanup and backups, and then nuke the OS.

[narrow estuary]

Irc windows repair tool does download a fresh copy of windows. Yet yea not for first time folk

[twin dew]

No it doesn't.

If there is anything that needs to be saved, then doing reinstall isn't that easy.

[edgy hazel]

Yeah. So for this dude it means all files are cooked

[narrow estuary]

F9 on start up. Advanced repair. Gives access to cmd. Again if someone doesn't know what their doing, it's not as easy as click and connect.

[twin dew]

And that doesn't download fresh copy.
It just removes stuff and leaves the base install.

[willow pike]

which will almost certainly be infected

@boreal sable change your discord password on your phone and do not sign back in on your computer again

this goes for all your accounts

[edgy hazel]

Anyway. You learn from mistakes. Take that L and start fresh

[willow pike]

the trojan will get everything

[twin dew]

Depends on the trojan, and that is some semi-custom one that got detected with generics.

[willow pike]

assume the worst

[twin dew]

Yup.

[narrow estuary]

@twin dew umm That's not the Advanced Rcovery Part. I'm talking about advanced cmd commands within.

[twin dew]

And how would those help to reinstall the OS clean?
They can help cleaning the system, IF you know what to do, and the specific threat is known variant.

The Windows Reset functionality doesn't count.

Yes, you can boot into the Windows Recover Environtment tools like the command prompt, but how is that relevant?

[narrow estuary]

By taking a series of steps within cmd. I could outline it but I don't want to clog the chat. I just merely highlighted the possibility.
Cmd is relevant as what is possible in Windows GUI can be obtained via cmd with the right skills. It's literally the second top right option in advanced recovery.

[twin dew]

So you don't even know that what options there are in there can change and the locations too following that?

[narrow estuary]

I'm aware of this. I'm not sure what you are seeking. Are you seeking me to prove that it is possible?

[twin dew]

Then why did you use "top right option" language?
And are talking about functionality that has almost no relation to cleaning OS that has trojan infection?

[narrow estuary]

It changes the second menu options? Since when in Windows 10 with a generic install?

No really show me.. post it and rub it in my face. I'm very well aware it does not change with a generic install. I await...

[twin dew]

Main one is if the install is GPT or MBR, Boot to UEFI depends on that at least.
Don't remember what else I have hit that changed the options in the later menus.

I currently have one as the recovery partition OS doesn't have drivers for my HDD, so lot is missing.

As using AMD chipset RAID for the OS disk.

So at some point I have seen the Troubleshoot menu with just 3 options total.

But don't remember which ones.

Sometimes it goes to second screen, sometimes everything fits into one screen.

[narrow estuary]

Yea if it's is a non generic install. Sure it can chance. The second page however is the same.

However given I've taken up this much of the chat. Beyond the typical tech steps, I'd be looking at creating / mounting a new partition with a diff MBR to that of Linux types, running Linux and doing an install that way after mounting windows on a spare usb. Point is I avoid the whole need to get another pc.

[twin dew]

No, this screen definetely isn't always the same.
And as seen here, the Command Prompt in this Windows 10 pic is bottom left.
And that UEFI Firmware Settings isn't there is the Windows is installed as CSM/legacy boot, already switching where that is.
And in this case there is second page of the Advanced Options.
In another, that top right
Another, middle right.

Or you mean the one with just "Reset this PC" and "Advanced Options" in most cases, between the first and that Advanced Options screen?

Behind the first Troubleshoot button?

Seems to change almost randomly between computers:
As even the order for the options doesn't keep the same...

[narrow estuary]

Just going through your msg. Firstly yea the second pic confirms my bit about command prompt being in there. (Also like to say this isn't to be taken the wrong way or anything, it's just something I know can be done yet something more advanced I agree.)

[twin dew]

Point was that you didn't seem to have had to help with enough computers with basic Windows installs to see that the options and locations are variable.
Without anything weird done to the OS.
And with some situations, it can get very lenghty, or very short.
Yes, that Command Prompt option should always be there, but the location changes.

And second point is, that the main OS has access to the recovery stuff, so that can also be infected if the main OS is.

[narrow estuary]

I don't change my words. Happy to be held to what I say. Irc I said generic install regarding positioning too. Also note the menu pages appears different, I'm talking about the second one. Slowly going through your msg

[twin dew]

I should do modification on mine to roll those AMD RAID drivers into it.
Haven't been bothered.

[narrow estuary]

Yes the second one in a generic install. HP or Dell for IE may give non generic results as a non limited example

[twin dew]

That second one is MBR installed.
Which shouldn't even be used today?

As it is missing the UEFI Firmware option.

And it was from specific guide how to do stuff with just MBR install.

[narrow estuary]

I've acknowledged it changes. Refer to my messages above and in continuation I referred to it being in the same place on a generic install.

[twin dew]

So only one you acknowledge as "generic" is install done to 15+ year old computers or one done wrong.

Doing MBR install on UEFI machine.

[narrow estuary]

I'll hold my neck on the line and say that on any unchanged install of Windows it will always be there on Win 10. (Only reasoning I'm honing on win10 is that's as per the screenshot b4)

[twin dew]

Yes, Command Prompt entry will be there, if the WinRE isn't broken too.
But the location in that screen changes.

[narrow estuary]

Agreed, that Hard drive can be tainted with magical spell from the temple within. The staple however is that this is a computer Win 10 that can boot into Windows. Therefore F9/2 failed attempts at starting should be tried. Then a sfc varient, then perhaps changing/ partitions etc. The primary point however as I said before was it doesn't need access to another computer. If the hard drive works. It can be saved with the right knowledge.

[narrow estuary]

Oh I agree with you the screen changes. 🙂 see here let me find zee msg..

[twin dew]

Not failed start...
Virus/Trojan infection...

The OS works fine, it is just tainted and the infection is blocking the antivirus.

So you didn't even read what the problem was...

[narrow estuary]

2 failed attempted start ups will should know it into Recovery where F9 doesn't work or a keyboard isn't connected.

[narrow estuary]

I saw, an infected Windows install. Safest option is to re install Windows, not sure what is askew?

[twin dew]

Then why did you go into the command prompt stuff?

Which is in no way related to the issue?

[narrow estuary]

(Good qns BTW. I really wish more people were like yourself and asked away. )
.. I mentioned command prompt as a clear alternative they you don't need another computer to solve a computer which is infected.

[twin dew]

Which it isn't?`
As the WinRE can easily be edited from the main OS side, so any virus/trojan can do it too.

It is just not visible by default for the user, by just not having drive letter by default.

[narrow estuary]

So as Dos is then therefore malivent enough to prevent tcp/http req?

[twin dew]

That command prompt isn't DOS.
It is same as Windows Safe Boot with Command Prompt.
Just from different partition.

So if the main OS partition gets trashed by something, it can still be booted.

So any virus could infect the WinRE too, if it wanted to and was coded to.

And then infect anything you create in WinRE.

[narrow estuary]

I do not believe I have said they were the same Command prompt or Dos, that's like suggesting powershell is the same. Hold me to what I say, happy to learn and accept error but not things I didn't say. My whole simple comment was to highlight a mere alternative. Yet hey happy to talk and learn and answer qns

[twin dew]

Yes, most viruses and trojans etc. aren't coded to do that, but when the type isn't known, you cannot trust anything.

[narrow estuary]

Well what is most? Let's not be vague and heck, let's use some loose humour if this is to continue

Can we please just accept one thing if we can?

[maiden coyote]

They left lol

[twin dew]

Cmd.exe has never been OS, it just emulates the look and feel of DOS since Win95 and WinNT.
But is over the normal Windows, just in stripped to minimum form in the recovery/safe boot forms.
But that doesn't mean you cannot add stuff to that minimal OS if you want to.

I have had to regedit to enable Windows Installer etc. in some of the safe boot variants temporarely before to fix shit.

You can run regedit from the WinRE Command Prompt.

It isn't DOS, it is just Windows with Command Prompt.

[narrow estuary]

True. I'm with you there.

But one point if I may?

[twin dew]

There are full Windows Server SKUs that don't come with full GUI at all, just the Command Prompt and the various utilities.

[narrow estuary]

Exactly which highlights the power within

[twin dew]

Yes, it can be used to do lot of stuff.
But using it to do lot of stuff while the computer is infected isn't safe.

[narrow estuary]

Like the whole thing here is over the cost of what it would be to just replace the hard drive which let's face it isn't going to break the bank unless it's Samsung's latests and greatest 8tb.

[twin dew]

You still would need clean Windows Installer stick or like, which you cannot create on the infected OS, or the WinRE of the same drive.

[maiden coyote]

Easy enough to boot it from a live iso to recover the stuff you want to save and nuke windows from orbit.. no need to replace the drive

[narrow estuary]

110% it isn't safe yet on the same merit, I'd look at the customer and get affirmation their puckered and don't want to spend at least $15 on a new hdd and that this isn't a silver bullet.

[twin dew]

Yup.

[narrow estuary]

Agreed. I refer I did highlight usb before.

[twin dew]

But still the WinRE helps nothing.
As you cannot create the Live boot stick, or the install stick in it, or make the backups in it.

Without danger of the infection being running and spreading.

[maiden coyote]

But, I guess either they realized what was going on and yanked the cord on their pc, or something

[narrow estuary]

Well yes yet I think the point is. What if you don't have an ISO. What if you only got that computer and a USB. Can it be solved. I say yes and as I understand from Baldur it isn't the safest thing and that I agree. 🙂

[maiden coyote]

Yeah you need another pc to fix it.. I mean I guess you could make a linux bootable usb with the infected pc

[twin dew]

Which is why you need to make the stuff on another clean computer, and then boot on the infected one.
Without the made stick never being connected to the infected computer while the OS is on, in any form.

[maiden coyote]

And then you'll need a second usb stick

[twin dew]

Even that isn't 100% safe, but probably not lot of normal malware that can do both Windows and Linux at same time.

Mainly the territory of spy agencies etc.

[narrow estuary]

Hence why there would be a MBR /partition change. Think of it like the pull out method. I do agree tho it's not the safest yet it is a very viable solution.

[narrow estuary]

Thank you. That is the whole premise of the MBR partition change. It's not a silver bullet yet it does help I believe.

[maiden coyote]

It's not, but if you're going that far, every pc on that network would already be infected

[twin dew]

MBR hasn't been a thing for long long time?
Unless you have fucked up Windows install or ancient computer.

[narrow estuary]

And all this to save $15, are we for real? Lol

I'm referring in pseudo to partition management. I wasn't going to say oh let's go FAT instead of NFTS. I'm sure you know what I mean.

[twin dew]

Which also was the point, if you have this type of Windows 10 recovery screen, the OS install is most likely fucked:
Either the computer is pre-UEFI.
The Windows has gone through way too many major OS upgrades, from at least Win7 to Win10.
Or the install was fucked up and made in MBR mode and not GPT/UEFI mode.

Without the UEFI Firmware boot option.

[narrow estuary]

Nope, command prompt, dir list pls

[twin dew]

And that MBR type is the only one where the CMD seems to be top right.

MBR refers to the first sector of classic type formatted disks, where the partition table used to live, and the first stage boot loader stub.
Doesn't exist with GPT partitioning except as false stub to prevent old computers/OSes fucking up the GPT partitioning.

Master Boot Record.

[narrow estuary]

And as I said in pseudo. I'm really unsure what is to be achieved here?

[twin dew]

You only clarified much later that you were using very weird language.

[narrow estuary]

See here. I said pseudo and also said I'm sure you know what I mean.

I'm using a generic reference. I'm sure a reference to MBR* isn't going to go without thinking of GPT. Just like TCP and IP. It all goes hand in hand. Again tho.. all jokes aside. I'm not sure what I've said so wrong?

[twin dew]

MBR is specifically the polar opposite of GPT?
It is the common name for the old partitioning system and the first sector of that system
It isn't some generic name for partitioning.

[narrow estuary]

I'm well aware about Master Boot Records and Global Partitioning tables. So the issue is me referencing MBR instead of GPT or?

You know right.. we could have written a complete step by step list on everything to troubleshoot by now ha

[maiden coyote]

Well, yall have fun lol

[narrow estuary]

Need another topic tho..

[edgy hazel]

Yeah how about that one dude that got a Trojan on his PC?

[tough owl]

I love how my teacher will just use w3schools to show us how to code

instead of teaching us with her own examples

[wanton orchid]

I mean better use well reviewed online example than worse personal example

even if specifically designed good example would be even better

[tough owl]

Even though we pay for a the textbook

[mental oriole]

Why have a textbook if it's never used 💀

[wanton orchid]

I feel this on so many level
been thrown away as how bad teachers were compared to the book yet the book is there but you can't follow it because it's not synced with the teacher lesson

[jagged snow]

In many cases, w3schools is not that well put together though

[twin dew]

It contains only the absolute basics, with absolutely no context by my experience.

[wanton orchid]

^

[twin dew]

Very annoying when you are trying to get the actual API documentation for something, and all those crap sites like W3school are first in search results.

[mental oriole]

I bought one book in uni.
Never used it outside the course... I used it once during the entire course...
Money well spent 🙃

[jagged snow]

Agreed

[edgy hazel]

Scan and upload 🙂

Help the community

[tough owl]

I would if I could scan

[mental oriole]

Idk where the book is anymore 🤣

[frigid wharf]

Since the last update yesterday, Satisfactory no longer starts for me. Do any of you have similar problems? (sorry, wrong chat. didn´t know)

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[visual tree]

Wish I watched this video before paying €30 for a battery replacement... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88-VkWEV6aQ&t=186s

Not to mention the watch repair shop left the summer time on the watch because I left it 2 weeks ago in the shop

I mean, if I picked it up yesterday, at least set up winter time....

[gilded helm]

Now that Zen 5 prices are predictably dropping, I wonder if AMD will finally learn their lesson and do sensible day 1 pricing with Zen 6. I wonder what their calculus is on bad reviews being wirth the extra money from milking buyers in the first 6 months.

[willow pike]

they will charge whatever the fuck they want cause intel shat bed

[pure karma]

they both shat the bed so there both gonna charge whatever the hell they want as always lol

[soft bloom]

People are starting to forget when AMD was budget kind

[willow pike]

AMD are a business, they are budget when they need to be

there is no "learn their lesson"

[gilded helm]

If they're fine with bad day 1 headlines sticking around forever 🤷

[languid gulch]

i just wait a full generation or more, that definitely makes things budget friendly while not getting too far behind the curve

[gilded helm]

I have no idea if it's all just a trick because there are no good mobos to go along with them, but some of the Alder Lake deals have been insane.

[stray badger]

My 7950x3d was like 450 USD, 9000 was still yet to be released. Pricing for AMD is not usually at MSRP all the time

[soft bloom]

i don't care about the curve anymore. if something works - that's good enough. and rn that's 3600

[languid gulch]

definitely

i had grabbed a 1700X for $150 after ryzen 2nd gen came out, was hard to beat that deal until they dropped the 5600X to $175

[languid gulch]

and now here i am debating going to either 12 or 16 cores depending on whether or not i feel like 4 more cores is worth +$100

[pure karma]

i love case designers so very much...

i forgot that the solution to not having daisy chaining fans on this case is to jam the cables between the radiator of the aio

[rose stone]

So crypto huh

[soft bloom]

I wait until humanity understands that inflated value of things that exists solely as product of others believing in its value... Is actually just a waste of time and attention

[tribal kraken]

But.. thats the basis of the economy. Even if you were trading furs in stone age.

[rose stone]

Tell me u know nothing about bitcoin without telling me

Its value is backed by power and energy as it takes so much energy (money) to mine so why would anyone sell it for lower than the cost of electric not to mention it also has a fixed supply of 21million

[edgy hazel]

Get this crypto shit away from me

It's 90% scams

[glossy glacier]

99% scams and 99,999999% wasted power and resources

[rose stone]

😔😔

Its really not

[glossy glacier]

It by definition is 99,99999% wasted resources

[rose stone]

Not really

[glossy glacier]

But I admit the scam percentage is inflated by NFTs

[rose stone]

Quick question how much do u actually know about bitcoin?

[rose stone]

Nfts are so dumb

[glossy glacier]

It is a blockchain backed currency. The blockchain needs to validate every transaction. To validate one transaction a mathematical challenge needs to be solved. Every miner will attempt this challenge and only one(1) result will be accepted. Everything else will be discarded.
Thus 99,99999% wasted resources

Same for every other blockchain backed by proof-of-work, -space, whatever

[rose stone]

Yeah thats a valid argument but thats just what drives its price up

[glossy glacier]

No. What drives the "value" up is people wanting to sell it for more than they bought it.

[rose stone]

Or mined

[glossy glacier]

Increasing miners only increases the challenge complexity. Thus needing more miners to get lucky

[rose stone]

Yes

[narrow estuary]

Capitalism?

[rose stone]

Well yeah

Dollar dropping of will increase the price too

[narrow estuary]

Blood does not come from a stone. You cannot avoid what you do not know.

[rose stone]

Have u invested xeet?

[glossy glacier]

On steroids and without regulations, yes

[rose stone]

What

[glossy glacier]

'nough said
https://youtu.be/YQ_xWvX1n9g

[narrow estuary]

I agree it's capitalism with you. Yet disagree that nft are any worse. What is driving it is people's desire to be instantly rich (greed) like a casino it flourishes and the little that do yield a big return lead the pinions along. That's my Ted talk input.

[rose stone]

Will watch later

[languid gulch]

bitcoin is the digital version of dutch tulips

[rose stone]

Xeet have u invested or no?

[narrow estuary]

Well said

[rose stone]

Oh right yeah

[edgy hazel]

Crypto: like normal money but with 10000 times the electricity cost and none of regulations

[glossy glacier]

Also every blockchain
-is public
-un-undoable
-can split
Not something you want for something that manages your currency

[gilded helm]

Crypto is just swapping one corrupt group of power brokers for a different one. Will people wake up that all the BS about democratizing finance is never going to happen?

[rose stone]

Hard disagree with all of you

[twin dew]

The base idea behind the Bitcoin might have been good.
The actual implementation is idiotic.
And all of them have just turned into another pure stock market speculation derivates.

For trying to make money out of nothing, where some win, some lose and numbers must go UP!

To generate "value" out of thin air.

[gilded helm]

It has no clear path to widespread adoption and never will, because everyone sees it'll basically have all the same problems it claims to solve.

And thus it'll be a perpetual waste of energy if it can't break that cycle.

[twin dew]

And for Bitcoin for example, the maximum amount of transactions in each 10 minute cycle is tiny.
And for actual usage as currency, you really cannot wait 10-20 minutes to get first confirmation that the transaction probably happened, and then 20 minutes more to be almost certain it went through.

Just speculative investments at this time.

Where the only "value" comes from others wanting to use the limited amount of "coin" as the same.

With intentional First Mover advantage with the limited number of total "coins", and the curve how more are created in smaller and smaller amounts until the pool is full.
Which also is the greatest thing to just hold the stuff, with also then pumps the "value" up.
And just have bigger numbers as how much your holdings are worth over time.

(And for Bitcoin, getting into next transaction log with that tiny amount of total transactions means you need to put lot of "money" into the reward part, and not the actual transaction value).

[mental oriole]

Money have no value if it cant be used.

[twin dew]

Because the X transactions (1MB worth?) with highest reward will get "processed" and included in the chain each time.

[tribal kraken]

Just tested a week ago mining for heating in winter, with 300W power 4090 makes about 1€/24h profit for current electricty cost for me, but its better than no profit from direct electric heater for computer room

But wont bother, 300W full time gets the small room too hot for the weather at the moment

[twin dew]

When part of a pool.
If you aren't part of a pool, you would very likely get nothing.

And there was already problems that some pool was about to go over 50% of mining power several years ago.
And whoever controls 50+%, can just decide what the chain contains.

[languid gulch]

it had some good original intentions, but it became a pyramid scheme mainly used by money launderers

[rose stone]

U wanna controll 50% u would need 3 times all the power on earth

[twin dew]

If you wanted to create new processing to get that.
But point was, that one of the Bitcoin pools already went over the limit several years ago for a time.
Until they stopped accepting more people into the pool.

[rose stone]

Theres a reason behind why they would want to stop

Its on the whitepaper

[languid gulch]

supposedly

[twin dew]

In theory.
As that did take lot from the coins sexiness, but they did have window to do stupid shit if they wanted.
And you could get the same effect with same people working behind multiple pools.

Point is that the 50% attack is realistic issue.

[rose stone]

Global adoption is so low right now tho thats one of the main reasons

[languid gulch]

i also still have 0 faith that it's actually secure. send enough chinese army cybersoldiers at it & it'll crack.

[rose stone]

50% of 2 is a lot easier that 50% of 100

[twin dew]

So you would want even more power usage going to the useless "mining"?

And the way the mining incentives work, biggest pool can always pay most out.

[rose stone]

Just go look at the whitepaper and the math behind it its about as secure as pgp

[twin dew]

Leading to centralization of the mining power.

[languid gulch]

"it only works once more people get involved" just screams pyramid scheme

[twin dew]

And the actual crypto doesn't matter?

When the issues are completely elsewhere?

[rose stone]

U could argue the same for society as a whole

[languid gulch]

it's still based on faith that nobody has stuck a backdoor on any of it

[languid gulch]

at least the dollar, euro, & pound have reliable backing

[rose stone]

WHAT

[twin dew]

And wasn't it Ether that intentionally rolled back after fuckup?
And caused a split.

[rose stone]

NO THEY DON'T?!

[languid gulch]

why yes, all caps makes you win

[rose stone]

Eth is pretty useless

[twin dew]

They don't have anything tangible backing them, but they have still backing.

[twin dew]

Much better than Bitcoin in most ways.

[rose stone]

Bitcoin has power backinv it

[twin dew]

But that makes it much less useful as tool of speculation and wealth generation.

[languid gulch]

i don't think my health insurance accepts dogecoin, sorry

[rose stone]

Not yet

[twin dew]

But that is all that Bitcoin is good for.

[languid gulch]

if it were as revolutionary & more reliable than "normal" currency, the first ones to adopt it would have been bankers & insurers

[rose stone]

Banks like having control over the money

They wouldn't want something they can't controll

[languid gulch]

uhhhh yes, & if crypto were as good at doing money things as real money, they would have adopted it. yes, they like money, especially in powerful forms. crypto ain't it

[mental oriole]

Banks dont want a currency that is unstable.

[rose stone]

This will keep u up 40 years later

[languid gulch]

then laugh in my face in 40 years

for now it's a terrible idea

[rose stone]

Ill @ u

[twin dew]

And the few people behind the crypto exhanges and pools don't control the crypto in your eyes then?
Weird difference.

[glossy glacier]

Miners/Coiners like having control over the money.
They wouldn't wanting they can't control

[rose stone]

Im saying the banks wouldn't want something they cant controll

[languid gulch]

i didn't know my credit union was in direct control of the US dollar

[twin dew]

Like I originally said, the base idea was sound.
But the implementations are just fucked up.
And have completely turned into just speculative investments, not currency.

[rose stone]

Theres more than just crypto exchanges

Its not a currency yet

[twin dew]

And try to find usable amount of people who aren't trading the crypto via the exhanges

[rose stone]

Its breaking 100k before end of 2025

[languid gulch]

thanks for admitting it's lying about what it is

[twin dew]

It was more of currency when new.
Now it is moving more and more away from that.

[rose stone]

People aren't smart enough to realise this yet

Global adoption doesn't happen overnight

[twin dew]

Cannot happen with the way the stuff works.

[rose stone]

Wont happen overnight but its definitely possible

[glossy glacier]

Bitcoin existed for almost 15y by now. I'm sure it'll happen next year

[twin dew]

No.
At least with Proof-of-Work.
And with the even first proof that the transaction actually happening taking 1-2 cycle times.
And with arbitrary limitations on amount of transactions per cycle.

Bitcoin and anything that works like bitcoin is broken by design.
And cannot work as currency, ever.

[rose stone]

🤔🤔

[twin dew]

It can work for large scale transactions, that can wait for confirmation for 1+h and pay huge transaction costs.
But for those it offers absolutely no benefits.

[glossy glacier]

@rose stone how do you like Google/Microsoft/Facebook/any-big-coroporation/nation knowing your every purchase?

[twin dew]

.

[languid gulch]

and that is something that normal currency can do, with a ton more security & versatility

[twin dew]

Only real thing that various cryptos offer is (pseudo)anonymity.

[languid gulch]

crypto is just digital Amway

[twin dew]

And for most that is only pseudo.

And single transaction that can be tied to you can then tie all the rest too.

[rose stone]

Meh they already do having something public and on chain is no different than me ordering on amazon and them selling my data

[languid gulch]

i love the "eh, they already do plenty of shady shit, so why not" excusing as an endorsement to have more of it

[twin dew]

Ah, you are a yank.
Explains much.

[rose stone]

No my point is bitcoin wouldn't solve the problem of them knowing what im buying but amazon isn't gunna stop selling my data

[twin dew]

That is US problem, not world problem, which was the point.

It would be easily fixable.

[rose stone]

And why should i care if they know what im buying?

[languid gulch]

lol

[twin dew]

Like most US only problems that have been sold as "unfixable", where every other western country has solved them.

[rose stone]

Enjoy knowing that i brought carrots today

[languid gulch]

because they're selling that info, making money off you signing away your right to privacy

i mean, some people have issues with being exploited

[rose stone]

Id rather they didn't know but it really doesn't affect me

[languid gulch]

fun fact: it does

[rose stone]

Info couldn't be sold if it was public

[rose stone]

How so?

[languid gulch]

companies used to pay you directly for that kind of info. they've managed to make people forget that

[willow pike]

are we really doing this

[rose stone]

Yed

[languid gulch]

apparently

[twin dew]

Was going to stop, as the other side showed to be part of the Moron class of US citizens. Filled with the various FUD.
And the crypto was just result of that, not the other way around.

[rose stone]

Im not from us

Im currently under control by kier starmer :(

[willow pike]

i am too depressed to argue crypto right now

[languid gulch]

almost follows a bot style. initially asks if anyone's into crypto, then does nothing but praise its glory. seen it several times in this channel

[rose stone]

Nah you'll be alright make your point

I am no bot

[edgy hazel]

Why? Did you have to eat your emotional support burger?

[rose stone]

Mm bruger

[languid gulch]

i'll have nothing to do with something that's being used mainly for international money laundering & tax avoidance, thanks

[twin dew]

Nah, it isn't even that anymore, just that speculative stock market investment now.

[languid gulch]

sounds like money laundering to me 🤣

[glossy glacier]

Without rules, securities or consequences

[rose stone]

Xmr is where all the shady stuff is at

[edgy hazel]

Okay so to sum this up:
Any positive side of crypto is absolutely overshadowed by its negatives.

A negligible amount of privacy compared to huge energy costs, limited infrastructure and absolutely no protection

[twin dew]

Nah, in money laundering, the money at least moves.
In speculative investment, it just sits.

[languid gulch]

i was more thinking of pump & dump schemes that can scale in both size & speed

[rose stone]

Say what u want about crypto at least my bags are pumping

[willow pike]

for now

[languid gulch]

digital dickswinging with no evidence does nothing for me

[rose stone]

They will continue to pump until btc has its bear market

[willow pike]

the house always wins

bragging about crypto being a high risk investment isn't the win you think it is

[rose stone]

It very much is

[languid gulch]

"dude i've got soooooooo many subprime loans!"

[willow pike]

well you pretty much just torpedoed any use of crypto for anything else for me

[rose stone]

I will make a minuim of 10x on my money within the next year

[languid gulch]

uh huh

[twin dew]

If it doesn't crash again, before you sell.

[rose stone]

I have my exit plan

I have target prices for all my coins

[languid gulch]

also, this is rando posting on the internet with no evidence of ever having invested

[willow pike]

you are better off buying nvidia shares

[rose stone]

Im not telling anyone to invest

[rose stone]

Mstr*

[twin dew]

Well, the people invested of course want to get others to go in, as that pushes the bitcoin price up ever more.
So it is better for them.
If the rush stops, then the price tanks.

When there aren't enough idiots trying to cash in anymore.

[languid gulch]

i didn't say that, i'm saying you've never posted any evidence that you have invested

[rose stone]

The rush isn't here yet

[rose stone]

Do i need to?

[languid gulch]

"what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"

[glossy glacier]

The rush is already over

[rose stone]

What makes u say that?

[languid gulch]

claim whatever you want, however much you want. without proof, it means nothing

[rose stone]

Old pics

[willow pike]

ai is another bubble that'll pop

[rose stone]

But yeah

[twin dew]

Because the various cryptos have shown that they cannot be anything but speculative bubbles.

[languid gulch]

could be screenshots from google, so no, that doesn't count

[twin dew]

So they are just speculative stock bubbles for people who want to live dangerously seeking instant profits.

[willow pike]

we invented these things called laws to stop people getting scammed with bubbles

[rose stone]

Go reverse image search them then

[willow pike]

crypto sidesteps the laws and makes bigger bubble

[rose stone]

Not really

[languid gulch]

don't worry, the bubble never pops

[rose stone]

And i will get fat stacks

[languid gulch]

be sure to post your tax paid on it too

[twin dew]

As with any bubble, there are always winners and losers.

And everyone who went in thinks they will be the winners.

[rose stone]

I will let u laugh at me if i lose it all

[rose stone]

I plan to move it to stable coins then into btc after the bear

I will not be selling it to fiat

[languid gulch]

"don't worry, i've got an out" certainly sounds like "i know it's a pyramid scheme & i'm going to bail on it before it collapses". just like others who think they know the perfect moment to jump out of a failing system, not knowing that the ones running the scheme have long since gotten away with their cash

[rose stone]

.

[mental oriole]

"Ai"

[rose stone]

What about it

[twin dew]

Just the fact that current Neural Network thingies have nothing to do with AI.
And have just been branded with that by marketers.

[rose stone]

🤔🤔

[willow pike]

unrelated to crypto; what do you know about ai

[soft bloom]

Did i begin a long conversation and peacefuly got to sleep? I surely did

[soft bloom]

Does that mean that players should pay for games more if they consume more power (less optimized)?
Or that the longer you keep pizza in oven the better it is (power consumption by it, until its just black piece of carbon).

What you describe is a trick of "i put effort into it, thus it must be valuable to me", which is like the same shit that holds people in MMOs for years, not letting switch to better quality more fun games (including same genre).

As exchange unit it's bad since it is attached to blockchain that slows down transaction plus they are extremely expensive.

[rustic panther]

Oh sweet, are we talking about AI?

[soft bloom]

Still will say that programming market predictions / exchange bots us interesting challenge. But the irony of it...

[willow pike]

possibly

[rustic panther]

Woo, that's technically my specialty :V

[jagged snow]

🍿
This has been fun to backread

[edgy hazel]

Crypto more like Shityo

[mental oriole]

Its not AI

[willow pike]

it's artificial intelligence in the same way sweetener is artificial sugar

it might sort of kinda taste like it, but it won't serve the same function, and there's nothing nutritional or useful about it

[pure karma]

AI feels like Ray Tracing... its imitating something that it isent powerfull enough to be yet

anyway on another note im like 99% confident i am actually truly ram bottlenecked on something for once which is causing really interesting behavior

[willow pike]

https://youtu.be/s-lFgbzU3LY

nyoom

[jagged snow]

You're always limited by ram unless the workload is light enough you can work out of cache exclusively

ram is just plain glacial compared to cpu

And even then cache is limiting

Just much less so than ram

[dapper raft]

Im not only qualified engineer im also qualified electro engineer

[jagged snow]

Wow

[pure karma]

no i know but i have nerver seen a ram capacity bottleneck so extreme that it varies to framerate as much as +-50%

[jagged snow]

Explain?

What's the workload?

[pure karma]

beamng so lot of ram and decent cpu multicore

thats the game i have seen suffer the most from it so far

[jagged snow]

Oh yeah that makes sense

You're moving stupid amounts of data in and out of memory diong physics sim like that

You know what I'm pretty glad to see?
The fact that there isn't an argument about the US election going on today

[twin dew]

Well, the vote happened, and now the whole world has to live with the consequences.

[willow pike]

it is relevant to #off-topic-tech because the tariffs will mean all your pc shit is now so much more expensive

it's relevant to all the other channels because

fuck my life

[twin dew]

Well, I would really expect that the economy of whole US to go into shitter in the next 4 years.
Plunging lot of the other western countries into one too.

And lot of other coming world-wide political etc. problems.
And will see who will end up being the US Tzar after Trump expires in the new pseudo-demoratic dictatorship.

[tribal kraken]

We will see. Heading to Shanghai in about 2 weeks for BaumaChina construction equipment exhibition and spare part trade deals. Hopefully Trump wont anger the Chinese more. Allready had to put my super specialized signal training in Finnish army into the Chinese Visa application 😄

(6months conscript)

[verbal raft]

R.I.P. intel😭 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[rose stone]

🤦‍♂️

[verbal raft]

forgot about this

and this

[willow pike]

it uses more power than the 7800X3D because it can use more power, and happily does so to clock higher