off-topic-tech

[twin dew]

IIRC usually 11kV in Finland, instead of 230V.

And the actual long distance lines are 110kV, 220kV or 400kV.

No, 20kV? But close enough.

[visual tree]

Same here:

[twin dew]

As in those for long haul, then downconvert from that to 20kV at large transformer station for city level distribution, and then 20kV to 230V transformers for the final delivery spread out all around.

[visual tree]

I live 25 km from a nuclear power plant which generates around 16% of the total energy needed in the country. New block (if built in the future) will have a capacity of 1000 MW

[willow pike]

doesn't help that teslas use the same pins for direct to battery DC and on-car AC transformer

[visual tree]

Just hope all the safety procedures are followed though 😅

[willow pike]

without negotiation it'll probably go straight in

[night girder]

Rip 🪦 Paint 3D

www.xda-developers.com/microsoft-to-remove-paint-3d-from-store-across-windows-devices/

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[twin dew]

Better than the original plan.

Well, the original plan might have worked with Paint 3D had worked like old Paint for basic stuff.
And not been complete dumpster fire.

[dire igloo]

paint.net >>> paint 3D

[twin dew]

Even the normal Paint is better than Paint 3D was, and the plan was to kill the normal Paint and replace it with the Paint 3D.
That Paint.Net has nothing to do with Microsoft.

But the deprication and killing of Paint was cancelled some time ago and it then started to get updated again with new things.

In theory the Paint 3D back then could do everything Paint could, but the UI was just horrible IIRC, when I tried to use it once something simple.

[night girder]

What we going to do now without Paint 3D noooooes.

[mental oriole]

Sleep peacefully

[twin dew]

MS trying to bet on augmented and virtual reality, which then didn't materialize.

[willow pike]

they still do it for B2B, big military contracts and stuff, but they didn't want to sell a $3000 consumer device

that would be bonkers

[twin dew]

But I meant either of those catching up big time in consumer space, which was plan in many companies.

But instead that has mostly fizzled out.

Display tech was almost there, price and processing power wasn't.
And when most games are not easy to make to work with both non-VR and VR, there just wasn't enough use for the VR HW either.
And when significant amount of population cannot play certain types of games in VR.

So not enough VR sets around to make companies make proper VR games, and not enough games etc. around to make people buy the sets.

You could probably even do cost-effective consumer augmented reality thingie, but as that would then cause some of the companies now buying the expensive stuff to go for those instead, it isn't being done.

[night girder]

maybe augmented reality isn't the next big thing society needs atm.

There is a difference between a company "thinking of what society needs and pushing that idea" versus "society accepting a new feature because they want it".

Augmented reality always seemed silly to me and more something being pushed than actually something we need.

[twin dew]

It has specific limited uses.
Most of the stuff being shown about it are not really useful.

[night girder]

Yeah, but not as revolutionary as for example; the smartphone was.

[twin dew]

But stuff like object highlighting (including during navigating etc.), real time assembly instructions with that etc. could be useful.

[night girder]

I am talking about revolutionary. Stuff like PC, smartphone.

Even the smartwatch isn't revolutionary as smartphone and PC's are.

and AI, they don't know how usefull that is and how to use it either. MS just fucked up by going with the hype and trends.

The only thing they didn't go with is NFT's I think and Bitcoins. But every other hype/trend, they have to do it themselves.

Even during Corona pandemic, people wouldn't use VR/AR stuff.

[twin dew]

That is VR set with bad AR features.

[willow pike]

it's cringe is what it is

[night girder]

😂

That's 3.500 $ for a gadget

[willow pike]

the most expensive way to tell everyone "shove me in a locker"

[twin dew]

It is great VR headset in theory. Somehow I expect that those horrible AR features are mandated from up higher.

[willow pike]

they worked on a set of AR glasses, real glasses with transparent lenses, for a decade

only to conclude it wasn't possible

[night girder]

Who gives a damn about it? It's too expensive and too niche. You know who uses VR headsets? Soldiers with drones. That's the only real usecase I can think of.

[twin dew]

Not on level the exec people wanted.

[willow pike]

but tim cook demanded it happen

[stray badger]

Nreal

[willow pike]

so they released this shit

[twin dew]

Wanting full immersion full color high definition for the AR.

[night girder]

Who wants that?

[twin dew]

And not just ability to do simple stuff as overlay.

[night girder]

Big Tech comapnies?

I never heard any of my friends say: "Wow, I wish I had glasses with full immersion and full color high definition AR".

[twin dew]

Yeah, some HUD-like elements would be nice, but that doesn't need that much.

[night girder]

What would you do with VR glasses Baldur?

Code? Watch movies? Listen to music?

[willow pike]

I have a valve index, I know the value of VR and AR, and desperately wanted whatever apple made to be great, fashionable and get it to be a more accepted technology. right now, you wear a facebook quest in public, you look like a freak. so apple deciding to put out
this shit
has me mad as hell.

[twin dew]

VR is only needed for something that you want to be "actual" 3D.
I was talking about wanting simple AR features.

[stray badger]

Nreal air is good for portable monitors, just a pair of glasses that can emulate a 40in tv

[night girder]

I don't see it. The appeal.

I think it's pretty dumb 😂

[willow pike]

they've somehow made it worse. they've made it an even bigger laughing stock than it is.

[night girder]

They are working on cheaper version I believe.

Despite reportedly weak Apple Vision Pro sales to consumers, Apple is working on both a less-expensive version as well as a second-generation model, alongside research on a "smart glasses" type device.

[twin dew]

For example something as simple as clock in far corner with some simple button to toggle on when wanted.
Possibility for notifications.
Instead of having to drag the phone out or have (smart)watch etc.

[willow pike]

they don't know how to make it cheaper without compromise, despite there being so many ways to cut costs; make it out of plastic, not metal and glass. ditch the googly eye outer display

[twin dew]

That route marking etc. for navigation, so on.

[stray badger]

You guys literally are describing Xreal (formerly Nreal ig)

[night girder]

That's so silly, you want a AR clock?

[twin dew]

I already have glasses.

I haven't gotten new wristwatch since last one broke.

[night girder]

Just buy a clock and save a few thousand dollars.

[edgy hazel]

really thinking about getting one of those tbh

a colleague has a pair and they're really good

[twin dew]

I wasn't talking about the current expensive stuff.

I was talking about something cheap and simple to give limited AR features.
Think the Google Glass stuff without the always recording camera.

[stray badger]

Apparently thry work great with steam deck

[night girder]

That was another epic fail that one.

[stray badger]

Justtl google xreal already lol

[willow pike]

yes I know what an xreal is

[night girder]

That's creepy.

[willow pike]

it's so bad

I hate it, I hate the personas why did they make them

[night girder]

First I though it was a weird mona lisa talking 😂

[twin dew]

Those are overlay sunglasses with AR.

[willow pike]

https://vxtwitter.com/Stammy/status/1755292452561522699

[night girder]

xreal still looks weird.

[willow pike]

all that to turn yourself into a skyrim npc

[twin dew]

I don't want AR enough for something crappy like that.

Even when they do have lot of features and can work.

[night girder]

You can see the glass is more to the front of the nose because of the other glasses behind the ... glasses?

I don't need AR/VR.

[twin dew]

Because those are still trying to do "perfect" AR.

[night girder]

Look at this.

[edgy hazel]

here is your alternative lmao

[safe trench]

real

[night girder]

The freaking thing is floating in the air.

it's not even connected to the nose bridge.

[willow pike]

fun fact, my glasses prescription is too strong to be supported by apple vision

[stray badger]

Its a good start, once the display becomes thinner it will become better

[night girder]

I mean, the second glasses are. But the front glasses are just floating.

I just use my good old 👀. Fuck all these 🕶️ for now.

[stray badger]

It is great for having portable monitors essentially

[night girder]

Why???!

I rarely, see anyone sitting outside with a laptop. Which is already a portable monitor.

[twin dew]

Yeah, that is my point.
We don't need monitor replacement for AR...
Which everyone seems to be trying to do.

[stray badger]

Hotel room, train, airplane

[edgy hazel]

????

[night girder]

rarely != never.

[edgy hazel]

do you know how unwieldy a laptop is in a bus?

[stray badger]

The xreal simulates 40", aint no laptop that big

[night girder]

Buy 13 inch then? "Oh, but that screen is too small and I cannot work on it".

[edgy hazel]

sorry. do you know how unwieldy a 13" laptop is in a bus?

[night girder]

Not at all?

[stray badger]

Have you ever been in a bus?

[night girder]

I had my laptop with me on airplanes with barely space. It worked.

[edgy hazel]

a 4 hour flight != a 20 minute bus trip

[stray badger]

Airplanes have a tray table, busses do not

[night girder]

My lap is my tray table?

I swear to god, when this VR/AR shit is mainstream, barely ANYONE will use it for the reasons explained in here.

[stray badger]

As somebody who uses a laptop on the go, idk what you are on about

[night girder]

I see people doing work on VR/AR glasses on a bus, for sure

[edgy hazel]

and with a laptop you also have privacy issues

[night girder]

best that might happen, is that the phone is streaming tiktok videos to the glasses.

because that's what almost everyone does on public transport, watch videos or FB.

[edgy hazel]

sure as fuck not gonna use a laptop on the street for navigation

[night girder]

I use my phone?

[stray badger]

Im thinking more about long distance travel, or google maps

Imagine having a minimap irl

[edgy hazel]

yup

[night girder]

I don't know how to explain this. But to me, personally, it's all "extra's" and nothing I read about VR/AR seems like a big game changer.

[twin dew]

And/or simple overlay arrows and boxes.

[night girder]

I believe more in AI being a big changer than VR/AR at this point.

[twin dew]

Don't need to be positioned exactly, don't need to be without distortions.

Don't need to be exact color.

[night girder]

Like AR in the front glass of cars which already exists?

[edgy hazel]

my bike ain't got that

[stray badger]

Walking or biking

[twin dew]

Or cars that don't have that.

[stray badger]

Also ive never been in car with that

[twin dew]

It still isn't universal.

Even on new cars it can be optional extra.

[stray badger]

Its not a game changer, its just nice

[night girder]

It's as much as a game changer like eletric bicycles 😂

[twin dew]

Point was to get cheap crappy AR that could do simple things like that.

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/can-you-smell-it-smell-it-you-smell-it-red-rose-red-roses-gif-18477349

[twin dew]

Not full fidelity ones that can replace monitors.

[night girder]

or these things. Electric steps.

[twin dew]

Which even that XReal seems to be trying to do.

[night girder]

Think we have different definition of "game changers."

[twin dew]

Probably missing "not"

[night girder]

Ah.

[stray badger]

Yeah i meant to have not in there

standard phone typing

[night girder]

You know what would blow me away?

on eye lenses with VR/AR support.

Now that would be revolutionary.

[stray badger]

i guess if you like contacts, i dont

[night girder]

Not really because of that, but because of the technology that is required in order to get this done.

[edgy hazel]

of course that would blow you away because that tech is like at least 20 years away

[night girder]

way further.

like how are you going to be able to make such small lenses, that can receive/transmit data.

[twin dew]

Power transfer to contacts has been done with outer circle coil.

[stray badger]

why tho

[night girder]

Mojo Vision’s Smart Contact Lens

But not really incognito.

[twin dew]

With early tries with such tech IIRC.
You need high enough detail LCD element or like for the display, you need minor amounts of processing power, you need power, and you need data transfer.
All but local power are already possible, just way too expensive.

[stray badger]

i feel like they could make clear pcbs

[twin dew]

And with remote power it can be done.

Just not at anywhere near low enough price.

[night girder]

It's been done.

But you can clearly see the lens though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJb3BjAOjQU

I didn't know myself it was already achieved.

[stray badger]

ew god no nonononono i feel that and it feels bad

[night girder]

@twin dew Was Sinkclose presentation informative?

[twin dew]

The video wasn't published when I checked in my morning.

And no mention anywhere about it yet.
Might only get published once DefCon is over or similar.

[visual tree]

I was wearing gas-permeable contact lenses for 5 years and gave up on them. I am never going to put anything on my eyes again lol

Not that I need though since I did lasik

[night girder]

Yeah cannot find anything either.

[twin dew]

And if people missed, MSI was just revealed to have similar vulnerability in their UEFI implementations for all of their AM4, AM5 and lot of generations of Intel MBs that allows full SMM access.

[mental oriole]

I prefer not to put stuff into my eyes...

[night girder]

fair

Then run around with this:

[mental oriole]

Everything is blurry in those.

Even with adjusting focus

even with and without glasses 🤣

[twin dew]

Point is that you could do simple black&white AR with just LCD element in glass surface.
And dimming the normal light, but no-one is doing that.

Everyone wants full-color, which needs stupid stuff.

Where you have off-sight screen with backlight and then those triangle combiner elements in view.

[night girder]

Dunno, or maybe, the average person doesn't want this at all? 😄

[twin dew]

How many here actually know what the "Clear CMOS" with motherboards actually does?

Referencing the yesterdays talk about MB&CPU firmware FLASH storage.

[winged valley]

Usually it's a jumper that grounds out VCC for CMOS volatile memory

I think I've seen a board where it sends voltage down a line to the volatile memory that acts as a reset signal

[twin dew]

Mostly pulls that reset line down, as that is the normal activate.
And the chip is SRAM.
CMOS means Complementary MOSFET, which replaced Transistor-Transistor-Logic (TTL).

Reset high = maintain, reset low = reset state to uninitialized.

[winged valley]

Why would they use SRAM over DRAM?

DRAM is cheaper and you get the exact same functionality

[twin dew]

No?

[winged valley]

For the context of BIOS storage yes

[twin dew]

DRAM needs lot of power to maintain the contents with constant refreshes.
SRAM uses almost no power when just static, only uses power for state changes.

So for small amount of battery backed storage, DRAM makes no sense.

[winged valley]

Oh gotcha I figured if anything it'd be related to power consumption

[twin dew]

SRAM is faster, but takes more space.
But uses lot less power when static.
And the SRAM used for the firmware config options of course is never written or read from when the computer isn't on and powering the chip instead of the battery.

Which is why the single li-ion cell battery can maintain the contents for years.

And if the RTC wasn't pulling so much power, way longer.

SRAM only needs power for the leakage when static.

CMOS SRAM.

The transistor types use more.

[winged valley]

So why does NAND Flash not need constant power to maintain data? Is it because the charge leakage is negligible? (Yes I know NAND will eventually refresh if left out for too long)

[twin dew]

DRAM stores the data in capacitor.
SRAM stores it in multi-element (usually 6 or 8) latch.
FLASH stores the data in charge trap type of thing inside insulator (Charge trap is one type of FLASH, others are similar).

So the charge stays there for long time, but the insulator isn't perfect.

As with HDDs where the data is stored as magnetically aligned elements, but those will lose the alignment over longer timeframes.

[winged valley]

And that's inevitable right? Unless the drive is constantly reading each bit they'll eventually fall out of alignment even when spinning

[twin dew]

Bit Rot

Yes, if the data isn't actually read from time to time, it can "rot" to a state that the drive cannot read anymore to determine what the bit was.

[willow pike]

HDDs are both a wonder of engineering and legendarily shit

[twin dew]

When drive reads marginal stuff, it rewrites it automatically.

Can happen in as short time as a year.

To get to a state that the actual data is starting to corrupt unrecovably.

[winged valley]

When a drive reallocates a sector, does it update the sector table or does it simply install a pointer to the new sector forcing a double read

[twin dew]

How would you put a pointer into broken storage space?

[winged valley]

Not into the sector itself

[twin dew]

Normal HDD:s don't have any real address tables.

[winged valley]

When it seeks to that LBA it goes "oops, the data was moved elsewhere"

[twin dew]

It is 1:1 mapping always.
But there are certain amount of set aside sectors that can have something to point to them for specific LBA instead of the actual.
So probably just simple table where if the table has data, that data is the LBA that was replaced, and the position in the table tells which replacement LBA to use instead.

But I have never actually looked into it, so that is speculation.

And that tiny table would be easy to load into the controller SRAM when the drive gets power.

[winged valley]

So if an HDD has no address table, how does the OS find data? Does it just seek through the whole platter until it finds the starting sector of that information?

[twin dew]

And fast to use after that.

[twin dew]

OS just talks LBAs.
And drive firmware knows how to map that to the physical surface of the platters in order.

Today you cannot even use same PCB revision from another drive, you need to swap the chip containing that mapping for just that drive.

[winged valley]

So the OS creates its own table and stores it on the drive then. I'm guessing this is where we cross into filesystem metadata?

[winged valley]

You could use something like a PC3K to throw the firmware into a learning mode though can't you?

[twin dew]

Anything above LBA (C/H/S in olden days) is OS side.
Drives only know about LBA, Logical Block Addresses.
Traditionally 512 bytes.

Possibly, not sure.
In older drives any PCB of the same model worked, until the feature sizes got too small.

[winged valley]

In addition to mappings the firmware chip also contains tolerances for the heads iirc

Because not every drive is exactly identical

[twin dew]

Wasn't needed until late 2000s or so IIRC.
Or maybe even later.

All same revision PCBs were compatible with all drives that had used that revision.

Per unit calibration only came later.

[safe trench]

its not that bad

• at least i dont have the whole reactor defcon ahh style for my eyes

[jagged snow]

I have come to an incredible realisation

Amazon requires HDCP to stream above 720p low bitrate on prime video, and amazon also sells hdcp bypass capable splittesr for the price of a single month of prime

[wanton orchid]

the magnetic platters does rot data, but hardly loose their useability
so you just update data that's there regularly and that's it
unless you perform physical damage (which will happen at some point too) the use cycle of the ""cells"" are infinit for a hdd basically

[winged valley]

yes

[wanton orchid]

this regular update is called scrubing

and it well known thing to set up in datacenter/backup-storage setups

[jagged snow]

I cannot express how frustrating it is when doing things legally makes me have a bad experience

[mossy fjord]

hola

el nuevo precio en steam y epic game de satisfactory es temporal ?

[jagged snow]

English only server, and this is the wrong channel for your question

Firefox

Yep
Switched to firefox about a year ago and I've never looked back

[safe trench]

im using opera

regular opera

not gx

just skip them

crazy

opera is just chrome

if it was better

real

i mean listen

google is just selling all your data

the scariest thing to do is not read the eula and tos ngl

no listen

i would be perfectly fine about msi afterburner knowing everything about me

since its that good

dont get me started with apps

and all google can do to counterattack apples defense about safari being private

is just showoff gemini

mhmm! i love the piss flavored toe fungus pizza topings!

ur name is maxwell.

https://tenor.com/view/chrome-memory-crackers-error-gif-13358532

this is so true tho

cities skylines barley gets 3 gigs of my ram tho

out of the 12 i have

true

ue is so much better'

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-injection-meme-funny-dentist-heart-hands-gif-25318481

chrome tryna give other apps ram be like

`IKR

for real

opera gx mods is way better

than any exlucisve chrome has

[languid gulch]

watch out, you might just get a check from a company if you make something half as effective for 1% less cost

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOvJAHhQKZg

so, anything besides "intel default" has nothing done to it

[stray badger]

godot!

also cryengine and source

[twin dew]

Curve Shaper behavior tested (Also YouTube version available):
skatterbencher.com/2024/08/07/granite-ridge-overclocking-curve-shaper/

[dire igloo]

People expect Godot to become the new Blender.
Still in its early stages, but lots of potential to become smth great

[twin dew]

And the BSODs aren't fixed yet, now trying to see if it has been interaction between Windows, ESET firewall blocking mDNS for browser, and the chromium browser where mDNS cannot be disabled...

Everything is set for me to do Windows reinstall if this still crashes with that mDNS block removed.

Because that is the second big difference from the previous install.
In that browser mDNS was allowed, now it hasn't been.
And the crashes always involve me first opening ton of tabs in Edge, then going through those and closing them as I have read them.

And then there is at some point quick flash of black for all edge windows, and later BSOD.

But Edge shouldn't itself have any way to corrupt kernel memory.

[twin dew]

So I'm currently browsing Imgur, FOR SCIENCE! (after many months of not opening the site)

[safe trench]

i feel like bsods for windows were a hidden marketing by microsoft

since you can tell its windows by the color

or the frown

[mental oriole]

if crashes is a good marketing...

[languid gulch]

then the Explorer wouldn't have nearly bankrupted Ford

[twin dew]

License code limitation to not allow language changes.
Windows Home Single Language vs. Windows Home.

No idea if those Single Language licenses only work for that original language or all.

Install the English version and see what happens?

Because the worst that should happen is that once you activate, it autochanges to the language you now have.

Or if you have extra drive, just plug that in, disconnect the real one(s) and install?

Then after the test is done, switch back.

You shouldn't need without HW change.

On level of MB replacement.

Just skip the code entry, select correct variant, and it should activate once the windows get internet connection.

No MS account needed?
That works with HW fingerprinting, not accounts.

Ah, that.

[languid gulch]

personally i love how laptop manufacturers like to put the activation code on the underside of the laptop where it wears off in about a week

[twin dew]

Because the real one is in the UEFI, and that sticker isn't really needed?

[languid gulch]

you're assuming that the bios is accessible in a non-garbage laptop

[twin dew]

Not for the person to use, just for Windows to automatically read once the install is done and activate.

[languid gulch]

ah true

[twin dew]

Again, you install in the Trial mode.

[languid gulch]

i mean, that's how it's done today

i remember when that code was the ONLY way you didn't need to burn another $100

i remember Dell loves to hard lock shit

oh yea i've given them 2 shots in 17 years, & both were mistakes

a company has to have an IT guy anyway, i'd just let them have full control

🤣

oh that just means it wasn't the IT guy's decision

Dell monitors are still very nice

but that seems to be the only thing they can do mostly right

yea but the bases are usually good

i bet they have to do that for like california earthquake proofing standards or something

tilt, height, & swivel

and a lead-weighted base

ah the classic ones 🤣

ok now i have to see if anyone makes a vesa adapter that has special stuff on it like cable ties

i like whatever the NUC vesa adapters are, i'm tempted to get one

🤣

just get some army surplus ballistic steel & fab it up yourself, problem solved

i think the last dell i used that wasn't crap was the one that they used for CS:GO

yup

that was my first look inside a pc

i had to do a ram swap on it when vista came out

and then the GPU died

and when i got it out of there, 2 out of the 5 gpu fan blades were GONE

like, not sitting in the bottom of the case

not melted somewhere

just GONE

oh how about this classic from Dell

speakers

for the time, not bad, but that was also like 20 years ago, so today it'd probably be garbage

the last nintendo product i own is the game cube

oh yea my next laptop might be a framework if they establish themselves and stick around for a while

after getting into pc building

i want that same experience for my laptop

that cost tho

i just want to know that in 5 years i can go back to them and swap out some guts

like we can do with ATX

needs the big makers to start doing it

or split the drive to be half SOC

🤣

and still charge as if it's swappable

i still have a free PCIe 1x i'm trying to see if i want to do something with

i'd love to see someone with a desktop mac do that kind of thing

i'd gladly take it. i'm nervous about putting anything better than a 5600X in mine

oh i made my parents drop their jaw when i was helping them shop and revealed to them LG's original name

12th gen ?

yay!

12900K is $279 on amazon rn, i'm actually kinda tempted

Lucky Goldstar

they know that name from when they were kids

i learned a hard lesson with samsung appliances

i have the single most complained about fridge on the planet

4 door, fridge top/freezer bottom, the seals are shit & the icemaker is always broken

after talking with "a fridge guy" who doesn't sell them, i did finally learn why, & why almost all of them are shit

there's apparently a serious problem with having an icemaker in the fridge part, & not the freezer part

mine is either running dry because the water line froze, or the ice cubes turn into one GIANT block and clog the entire thing

they can't get the insulation right on them

but also it's not just Samsung, it's all of them who do that

🤣

i might suggest it to him

try to figure out why (besides profit margin)

some can actually do it right

omg it's an hour long 🤣

i'll watch it tomorrow, it's almost 3am here

i kinda want to get one of those under-counter fridges & freezers

lol night 😄 have a good start of the week

[twin dew]

But I haven't been able to induce crash yet...
So might actually be fixed.

Speculation:
As multiple programs can "bind" to that mDNS port, there might be a thing going on where programs just announce to Windows "I want mDNS replies sent to me".
The firewall rules I had didn't prevent the DNS client from receiving mDNS from LAN.
And then the firewall rules prevented resending those onwards to the Edge.
And as Windows saw the program was still up, those just get getting cached, until the cache space overflowed and trashed other kernel data structures.
But will be testing more.

Chromium wants to do constant mDNS queries to find if you have any Cast compatible devices, as precaution to have list ready if you ever wanted to Cast the browser contents to TV or like...

And Google removed the launch argument to disable that long time ago.

Cast? Or what?
I just think it is idiotic that every Chromium based browser and Electron app does constant mDNS queries...
Even more with the Electron apps where you usually cannot even use Cast.

And there is NO setting that allows disabling that.

There was, but it got removed.

Well, not setting but launch argument.

But I might be wrong and the actual issue just hasn't hit today yet.

The 4 I have on the main computer ran out during the VM stuff.
With multiple shells, lot of documentation sites etc. + Discord windows that often had to be buried.

I should have switched the left bottom monitor to the main from the secondary.

No idea, as Synapse is no-go for me.

You cannot use newer Razer mice without it?

[mental oriole]

If that is the case 💀

[twin dew]

Since 10 years ago?

[mental oriole]

Synapse bloat (:

[twin dew]

For the mice with internal memory, you only need to use it once to make your config.
For the mice without internal memory, you need to start it once after each power loss of the mouse.
And needs online login to do anything.

[mental oriole]

It ran the gui at the login screen when I had it installed.

[twin dew]

Unless I'm out of date with that.

Windows setting.

IIRC

Ah, tilt for mouse wheel, very rare today.

I know.

But when none of the newer replacement options had it, not much I could do.

[twin dew]

And I never used the side scroll for forward and backwards, that is on the thumb buttons.
That was just for actual sideways scroll that is used much less often, and that shift+scroll works in most cases (not all)

The closer thumb button is much better for the back for me than the wheel.

Yeah, retraining muscle memory can be pain.
I never had that for the exact way you use the side-scroll.

So the side-scroll actually was just side scroll way back when I had it.

[tribal kraken]

Fancy construction tech. Leica 3D GPS antenna masts for auto control of the grader blade. My job was to design replacement rubber damped aluminum masts, as original steel pipe ones snapped from bottom due to vibaration and their own weight. The yellow UFO antennas themselves are light.

[twin dew]

Grader blade for road work etc. with very exact GPS location with differential GPS?
With the GPS antenna at one of the ends of the blade.

So the location that is in few centimeter range of actual position is for the one end of the blade.

Making underlayers for roads in places that have proper winter takes lot of work, if you don't want to redo all the roads each year.

non-permafrost ground frost plays havoc for anything above it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grader

In good case you just get stuff like this, which then are just filled in with tar-like substance:

In bad case you end up with something like these:

If doing those base layers isn't done properly.

I mean the first is to be expected even with proper base, with bad base the damage can be very extensive.

Last time you asked IIRC, read onwards again.

When you then specifically asked about Trance

No, I didn't, and had again forgotten since the last time you talked about him.

Just not interested in (e)sports in general.

No I'm not.

But if I'm the best or not doesn't really matter if I can make the even tiny bit better for some.

Without making it worse for others.

Being better should be the goal, not to be the best.
If you think you are the best, then you often ignore getting better.

Bonus of many monitors, I have been doing other stuff this whole time 😁

No Blazing Saddles for them?

[tribal kraken]

Yes GPS position and other sensors to automate blade control, this machine works at Yara Siilinjärvi carbonatite mine / fertilizer production.

[night girder]

That's how we roll over here.

[pure karma]

ethernet is pain

[grim panther]

#screenshots message
Looks like defect/not properly cooled GPU Memory

@dense compass

[dense compass]

Well, it sometimes do that and crash the game but only in satisfactory

Got no problem in any other games

It's probably not due to cooling as it's at 65°C

[pure karma]

that 65 is the Gpu die not the memory

[dense compass]

But it's an old one (1050ti) so idk

[dense compass]

I've just got that and a "Hot spot" at 73°C showing up

[grim panther]

if there is a lot of dust, give it a clean and maybe it will work again

i love the 1050ti, it was a great value for money

[dense compass]

Well, it works, I just get a crash like that every 5/6h of playtime or so

And no problem outside of satisfactory, but yeah I've not cleaned it recently so I'll give it a try

[edgy hazel]

try #1038092680493801533 then

[dense compass]

Already made a thread there like 6 months ago for the crashs and we found nothing

[grim panther]

don't trust a guy with "Radeon" in it's nickname if you have problems with nvidia 😉

[dense compass]

x)

[edgy hazel]

that's not how that works.

[dense compass]

And it's not annoying enough for me to re-do another one and spend hours trying to find the source instead of just rebooting the game when it crashes once every like 5h

[edgy hazel]

anyways this is offtopic and since this is an issue tied to satisfactory it's not appropriate for this channel. See the channel description.

also don't trust @pure karma with GPU stuff

[twin dew]

Which seems to have been first solved.
Then you got UObject limit crash (possibly from U8 code bug that leaks UObjects when you open and close machine UIs).
And then you had switched to use Vulkan which is marked as Experimental for a reason, and crashes and weird behavior with it are to be expected.

But I'm off to bed ->

[dense compass]

Thought I said it there, but after switching to Vulkan I've got much better performance ingame but I got the crash again

I don't remember the exact error code but it's about an index being < 0 or over a max value

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/tech-support-whatsapp-dev-team-facepalm-gif-13307268

[gilded helm]

So is there anything of note in all of the second week revisits of Zen 5 desktop? Either way, AMD's addiction to milking day 1 buyers continues it seems.

[willow pike]

iunno i'm old and tired and quibbling over percentages is hard for me these days

[gilded helm]

Well, part of that is performance has basically been solved for consumer level non-gaming tasks since Kaby Lake. So the only people who still care about it are compiling code, gaming, and so forth.

Kaby Lake is also when 16GB was either standard or affordable on laptops, I can't quite recall. It's bonkers there are still machines where they're trying to start at 8GB.

[gilded helm]

I can't speak to more current hardware, but through 2022 or so, I recall a lot of iPhone users getting frustrated when they needed to relaunch POGO or other games because they had just flipped to Discord. So Apple's argument of 'we don't need more RAM' was definitely BS up to that point with iPhones.

[pure karma]

im getting so pissed at this

how do i turn this ethernet controller on

its set to enabled in the bios but windows dosent care

[night girder]

isn't that the name of the driver?

Also check under device manager.

[pure karma]

its not under device manager because its "disconected"

hence why 8 hours of getting nowhere research later im coming here

[night girder]

You probably tried updating it? www.realtek.com/Download/List?cate_id=584

[safe trench]

intel might of found out why their cpus gone instable

according to them oxzidiidiaziidziation happened

i spelled it perfectly dont judge me

[night girder]

Latest version seems to be: 2024/08/02 10.72

[pure karma]

yea thats the only idea i have

[night girder]

I read on reddit, that it solved the issue for some people.

[pure karma]

i did downlaod it

do you just install it on a USB like a bios update or is it diffrent?

[night girder]

shouldn't be a bios update afaik.

Just normal installer.

[pure karma]

im guessing the windows one and not uefi

[night girder]

Yeah it's just a .exe for me.

[pure karma]

it gave me an error but it also said its sucesfully installed

and theres still nothing in device manager

[night girder]

Have you tried to clear CMOS?

[pure karma]

no

dont you have to take the battery out or smt

[night girder]

Or jumper.

Looks like this, you short it with screwdriver or jumper.

[pure karma]

it dosent exactly reasure me knowing the ethernet section in the settings isent even there like it should be

[night girder]

I think, it's not powered. Hardware side.

www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/y8gsp1/the_realtek_network_controller_was_not_found_if/

[pure karma]

theres a white button with CLR-CMOS would that work too?

[night girder]

You have to do it with system powered down. Better to read manual if possible.

[pure karma]

ha i found it

but yea its broke

ima reset the CMOS and if that dosent work then yea im lost

but i have confimed the router and ethernet cable work

so thats not a issue

[night girder]

anything under events?

5th tab?

[pure karma]

no empty

[night girder]

Just remember to hold the button for a few seconds

[pure karma]

held it for about 20 seconds

still broken

still says it has a hardware problem

and settings still dosent show a ethernet section

might try to just take it out completely just incase the button dosent do anything

[night girder]

I have no ideas at the moment.

[pure karma]

yea unfortunately still nothing

still just says "this device is not connected to the computer"

[night girder]

You could try clean install of the driver (uninstall first, then install latest driver). But that's a long shot.

[pure karma]

after a reinstall it dosent even show up at all not even under network adapters

[night girder]

reboot?

[pure karma]

still nothing

[night girder]

mh, weird.

[pure karma]

guess im just gonna have to say its dead hardware although im 90% sure its just windows blocking it or something

[night girder]

when did it stop working?

[pure karma]

it nerver has worked

[gilded helm]

RX 6800 XT for $560 in September 2022 according to HUB. Looking at what's coming on the horizon, it's hard to imagine anything other than the best option having been getting a GPU around the end of 2022, and having been able to use it for the past 2 years now. Laptop in my case, but my 3080 16GB mobile is holding up just fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wiw4fhFM7rQ&t=303s

[maiden coyote]

Does it show if a cable is plugged in and if so what's it's ip address?

[pure karma]

this ones gonna be fun to try to explain to probably realistically to baldur

[pure karma]

i have prettymuch 2 main problems

windows is locking me out of the ethernet settings menu

and the ethernet controler for the 2.5Gb ethernet port no longer exists after a driver update

i dont even have the ethernet section in my windows settings so realsitically its probably not only realtek

normally there should be ethernet settings between wifi and vpn

it works on my old pc

i tested the router and cable before

the only diffrence is this pc dosent have ethernet settings on windows

for whatever the reasson may be

the thing is i really couldent be asked to reinstall windows

just for it to probably do nothing

[gilded helm]

Bonkers speculation. Nvidia is rumored to be working with Mediatek on an Arm chip. What if they're going to turn Optimus on its head? The Nvidia GPU will run its integrated CPU until gaming or other demanding tasks turn on the discrete CPU?

My reaction as well

[charred willow]

started here with @jagged snow getting me to do my CCST

CCNA pass ✅ CCNP by Christmas is the current goal

25 days of total actual studying considering days off, really just over a month after passing my CCST

[jagged snow]

🎉 took so long on ccst and made pretty incredible time on the ccna

[charred willow]

👍

like 4 months of want and 6 days of actual studying for the CCST

[languid gulch]

i can't wait to see the flood of people wondering why their systems are crashing in the next year or two, that aren't pc people and have 0 idea what's been going on

[pure karma]

for intel 13th and 14th gen?

[languid gulch]

yup

[pure karma]

i sent a suport ticket to gigabyte because i want answers or atleast there take on this because i feel like the controler shouldent just magically stop existing from a drivers update

[languid gulch]

i can guarantee there'll be millions

[pure karma]

does it affect the laptop variant chips too?

[languid gulch]

anything that's not celeron or xeon, that draws over 65W

[pure karma]

because i havent heard thoes mentioned really at all

[languid gulch]

tom's hardware found laptops crashing in the exact same way

so that'll be part 2: ring bus Boogaloo

[pure karma]

im not that woried about it honestly

[languid gulch]

i'm more worried about the swing towards AMD causing shortages on that side

[pure karma]

im 5 bios updates behind so il prob update when they finally release the mcirocode change anyway

[languid gulch]

it's out now on some platforms

and it's still dogshit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOvJAHhQKZg

basically anything that's not bone stock "intel defaults" turns off the microcode changes

[pure karma]

honestly i almost just want to rawdog it and then change cpu's but AMD's 9000 linup is worst,equal or like 5% better than my 13700K so i have no upgrade path really anywhere thats worth it

[languid gulch]

but also a lot of shit won't run at those defaults. it's like the chips need a minimum of 1.5v in reality just to turn on, and doing that damages it from the start

[pure karma]

honestly the better question is how did intel even end up in this predicament in the first place

[languid gulch]

MBAs

they fired all the engineers

cuz who gives a shit if the company survives, they've got their money now

[safe trench]

ikr

just out of nowhere everyone straight up fanning about amd

not me

every masterpiece

has its cheap copy

intel is the only gpu manufactor im rooting for ngl

im rooting for jensen

this is why

what does bro cook

jensen needs to do a spatula giveaway

ikr

good fps per dollar

real

imagine if someone is just planning to do a terrorist attack on tsmc

i would*

they are the one to blame for climate change

• temu

https://tenor.com/view/i-got-a-meme-for-this-wait-here-i-got-a-meme-for-this-wwdc-wwdc2022-discord-gif-gif-25944793

sf builds:

me tryna find where my steel ingots be like

anyways

i feel like vr headsets

are kinda dangerous

ikr

but vr headsets is like the same thing as saying im gonna strap a lithum ion battery to your head

imagine a vr headset

that detonates if you die or put it off

like it just opens up the battery

nokia should of made vests of the 3310

no one would die again

once nokia was bought by microsoft

their phones straight up turned into glass

please enter in your microsoft account inorder to install google

ew

windows 8 style ui is terrible

i mean tho

you cant go wrong with an iphone since once your in the ecosystem

its one manufactor

so everything pairs togheter along

apple tv is awesome

i can pause entire movie off my phone

precision finding ish

only watch it for movies

https://tenor.com/view/linux-gif-25928231

barley anything i use can work on linux

https://tenor.com/view/mewing-gif-62392700405928361

arch users

i swear to god tho

it takes like 2 whole keyboards just to type a command to change your wallpaper

in the same time a windows pc could

deathadder v2 pro

[stray badger]

Right click image, set as desktop wallpaper, done

[safe trench]

works perfectly find and fits my small hand

• i dont want a whole numberpad on my mice

who do i look like? lua?

[stray badger]

Basilisk

[safe trench]

meh

the fanboys when they see a razer user ruins the brand

i dont like the whole idea of super ultra light gaming mice tho

i dont want to put entire holes on my mouse just for it to be light

they look hideous

i just play cities skylines 1 and teardown all the time

you gotta try the powder toy

its so amazing

its not all bad

• its a classic

im using opera

the powder toy is on steam fyi

i hate the idea of browser gaming

https://tenor.com/view/fire-fox-foxes-chaos-stampede-gif-4895022

https://tenor.com/view/the-powder-toy-tpt-explosion-powder-game-sandbox-gif-3628698030696009183

game is not that bad

ram is god tier tho

so uh

ever listened to the teardown soundtrack?

its rlly good (speffifififificly the last and first)

part 2

WAAAAAAAAAA

#ihatecheckit

ill just dm you it

turn on direct messages

i wont get banned for it right?

ay

ima send ya the link

alr

[safe trench]

theres name

alr

i love lockelle

i agree withwhatever hes saying

unpopular opinon but kanye and drake are not that good

watch me get doxed after that ;-;

[languid gulch]

nah, i tend to agree

plus the creep factor makes you go back and reread all their lyrics

[twin dew]

Because like all the various screenshots you will post say, the adapter isn't connected to the computer in computers mind.
Is it PCIe or USB adapter?

[pure karma]

its the motherboard one

[twin dew]

And you haven't disabled it in the BIOS?
There is usually way to do that.
Then I would say it is broken.

[pure karma]

its enabled in the bios i even double checked

[twin dew]

Also, if it had never worked, there wouldn't have been entry in Windows Device Manager about now not present device...

[pure karma]

well its nerver been plugged in until today

so it murdered itself or the driver update i did caused it

[twin dew]

Wrong or bad driver would just cause ! mark and non-working device, not for it to disappear.
Unless there was firmware update too run separately by MB maker provided update that failed.

[twin dew]

For that Deep Sleep possibility:
Reboot to BIOS.
Turn the computer off.
Remove power cord for 15 seconds.
Plug back in, start, get to Windows and see if the network adapter is listed again.

As in exit from Windows with Reboot, not Shutdown, to go around possible Fast Startup.

But anyways, my BSOD still isn't fixed, so need to start reinstalling today.

[pure karma]

well if its physically disconected apparently i doubt anything will fix it

[twin dew]

Point is that if it is in deep enough sleep, it appears disconnected.

[pure karma]

well yea i have nerver used it until now

[twin dew]

If the MB firmware doesn't know how to wake it up from sleep state where PCIe is sleeping too.

The Realtek chip side PCIe transceivers.

[pure karma]

how do you even reboot to bios again

isent it some weird random keybind

[twin dew]

Hold shift while pressing the reboot in Windows menu.
And just shutting down in the resulting Windows recovery menu (after the reboot) is enough.
But you could then navigate that menu structure to go to BIOS.

[pure karma]

yea it changed nothing

so what id just have to get a plug in wifi card and then it should just work?

[twin dew]

You mean Ethernet, not Wifi?

[pure karma]

and i have spent the last 20 hours straight trouble shooting a motherboard that was likely faulty out of the box to begin with

yea ethernet

[twin dew]

And you still haven't checked the Enable/Disable for the chip in the BIOS?

[pure karma]

im pretty sure i did unelss there are multiple settings

[twin dew]

If you didn't know how to get into the BIOS just now?

[pure karma]

i use the normal way of spaming the f keys 14 million times on startup each time

the onboard lan controller is set to enabled in the bios so yes its enabled

[twin dew]

Yes, AM4 and AM5 mountings are identical.

AMD needed thick heatspreader for AM5 anyways to not get bent CPUs like Intel, and they just added less than 1mm more to get exact same height as AM4.

[night girder]

You could try it to put it on disabled and then after reboot enable it again.

[twin dew]

Not today

There should be people coming online later that can help.

[languid gulch]

WAIT

could the unevenness of the intel CPUs be a contributing factor to them becoming unstable

the mount i mean

[twin dew]

Not really.
That has been issue for all LGA1700 CPUs.

[languid gulch]

right but combine it with pushing that voltage just a little too much, and any teeny tiny flex in the chip from the rectangular mount?

could it open up a gap?

"gap" of like nanometers, but still

[twin dew]

Not really when the fix is to pull the voltages down.
If the issue was poor socket contact, you would need more voltage.

[languid gulch]

not poor socket contact, i mean the mount flexing the pcb/chip itself just being rectangular

[twin dew]

Would cause dead CPUs. If flexing was causing connections to degrade/fail.

[languid gulch]

that might be the source of the weird ass "where is this extra voltage coming from" issue they keep chasing

[night girder]

👆

Was posted yesterday 🤷‍♂️

[twin dew]

He was just passing along the same thing that has been talked about for weeks about the Intel CPU manufacturing issue until sometime in 2023.

Which caused extra oxidation in some of the vias in some of the CPUs.

[languid gulch]

right but we're talking about literal microarchitecture, as in "is it physically sound". uneven pressure combined with either oxidation (impure structural components that can possibly no longer withstand the pressure they're designed to), or just too much pressure in one direction because of the rectangular mount

plus trying to push too much power thru it

[twin dew]

When the latest microcode fixed a bug in the VCore requests that caused requests of up to 1.6V for absolutely no reason?

At least up to 1.6V

[languid gulch]

having a teeny tiny physical gap caused by flex might be the reason for grabbing too much voltage "out of nowhere"

it's like how wood can flex with temp/humidity

[twin dew]

Nope? a gap would cause loss of contact, and the socket would burn.

[languid gulch]

nonono

inside the chip. not the contact between the cpu & socket

like microscopic delamination

[twin dew]

Would cause failed CPU, because there aren't anything that would contact again.

[languid gulch]

unless it's teeny tiny

[twin dew]

And again, 12th gen would also be affected, same shape, same mounting etc.

[languid gulch]

but not the same voltage

[twin dew]

And voltage means absolutely nothing for that kind of physical failure.

[languid gulch]

isn't the ring bus different on 12th gen?

[night girder]

1.55V now

[twin dew]

Yup.

[night girder]

It's kinda funny how they fix issues like that.

[twin dew]

If you don't disable the "Intel Default Settings"...

At least for Gigabyte.

[night girder]

And also, what voltage request is limited to 1.55V?

[twin dew]

VCore.

[safe trench]

yeah

thus most recent]

but dang intel is not having a good time

[night girder]

Thanks, article didn't specify.

The chipmaker added: “For unlocked Intel Core 13th and 14th Gen desktop processors, this latest microcode update (0x129) will not prevent users from overclocking if they so choose. Users can disable the eTVB setting in their BIOS if they wish to push above the 1.55V threshold.” That said, any overclocking might void the chip’s warranty, Intel added.

Question, is Intel saying: "If you disable eTVB setting, we count it as overclocking?" A.k.a. bye warranty?

[languid gulch]

fantastic way to void warranties, isn't it

[night girder]

Oof. I hope they communicate this well if this is the case.

How did QA not pick this up if Enhanced Thermal Velocity Boost was culprit.

[languid gulch]

what QA

[night girder]

Makes one wonder yes.

[languid gulch]

no seriously, they fired so many engineers

[twin dew]

13th gen was quick knee-jerk reaction to AMD from Intel based on late leaks, from concept to fab in less than a year.

[languid gulch]

$$$

[twin dew]

To cut costs, senior engineers have large salaries.

[night girder]

Yeah, I don't believe this tbh.

I think they silenced QA or cut their wings.

[languid gulch]

MBAs running the show, which have the philsophy of "who cares if the company exists tomorrow, when we get paid today"

[night girder]

Or they just lying about the cause.

[languid gulch]

both is also a possibility

[twin dew]

And all employees are interchangeable, hidden knowledge and experience don't exist.

So get rid of all the long time people with large salaries and replace with newbies straight out of school to cut costs.

[night girder]

Intel comes across so incompetent atm.

[languid gulch]

and shockingly, that freed up budget now magically ends up in exec pockets

[twin dew]

Because they have been for last 10 years?

[night girder]

Denying the issues for months. And even after all that time, they still don't know cause

[languid gulch]

that's the thing

[night girder]

My previous CPU was Intel, nothing bad to say about it.

[twin dew]

Same as with Boeing, it takes long time for the issues to manifest.

[languid gulch]

they either do know, and it's so bad that they can't risk letting it out there

or they don't know, which is possibly worse

[twin dew]

the 10nm stuff was the first visible thing.

[languid gulch]

fuck, the 14nm was the first visible thing

what was that, 6 gens?

[twin dew]

Would need the actual error, more likely RAM related store.

[languid gulch]

Rocket Lake (until THIS FEBRUARY), Comet Lake, Coffee Lake, Kaby Lake, Skylake, Broadwell (2014). a full 10 fucking years on 14nm

maybe they should have stuck to that

[twin dew]

i225/i226 network chip still don't work completely right, their enterprise lan chips have been clusterfuck for long time starting with i350, until 810-series is again good?

[languid gulch]

and Xeon's felt like an old man 2 weeks from retirement for like 4 years now

[twin dew]

On fourth physical revision of 2.5G network chip, and it still doesn't work right.

That i226 is in reality just i225 rev4.

[languid gulch]

crap, now i'm really stuck on this chip flex idea. someone make a note of it here in case i'm right 🤣

it's the kind of batshit thing that, it true, is something bad enough that they wouldn't dare say it

mounting pressure causing nanoscope fractures inside the CPU itself

because they've never explained the source of the random voltage spikes

[night girder]

They promised to explain by the end of this month.

[languid gulch]

an air gap that would take just a little bit more voltage to cross could explain that

[night girder]

Intel will provide updates by [the] end of August,” the company said.

[languid gulch]

uh huh 🤣

should be fun

[night girder]

August Update: we will update you all in September

[languid gulch]

august update: we're really close guys! we promise!

[night girder]

maybe if intel asked more money for their products.

consumers got more QA

[languid gulch]

k, now i wanna know if people running 13/14th gen with one of those custom mounting brackets have been have issues at the same rate as stock mounts

[willow pike]

if there was an air gap in the metal layers it wouldn't run

[languid gulch]

what it it's a temporary air gap produced by temperature changes?

[twin dew]

It wouldn't run while there was a gap, and then it would burn the spot if there was partial contact and not work anymore.

[languid gulch]

not enough to burn, just enough to need a bit more electricity to get past

i'm not thinking of it like a van de graaf generator

[twin dew]

That would be situation where the resistance at that spot is higher, which causes more voltage loss, so more conversion of watts to heat, so burn.

[willow pike]

these CPUs are defective if there's a single virus particle ends up in it

I'm at the gym so you're not getting proper grammar

[twin dew]

And it would get worse, not better, by lowering the VCore.

For the "CPU works" state.

[languid gulch]

unless lowering the voltage controls the heating better, which would keep the "air gaps" closed

[willow pike]

if the air gap you're talking about could close like that, the metals would bond back together

that's how SOIC works

but air gaps of such size don't happen

[languid gulch]

& i mean "air gaps" not as literal space, but a bit too much thermal expansion inside the cpu, not the contact points in the socket

[twin dew]

And like we have tried to say, it just doesn't work like that at those scales...

[languid gulch]

which would make it temporarily stable again

[twin dew]

The weak spot would be the chip to substrate interface for any such stress anyways.

Not anything inside the chip.

[languid gulch]

just trying to grab at anything that might explain the wacky "where the hell is this extra voltage coming from" that they're yet to reveal

[twin dew]

It was coming from firmware trying to predict the voltage needed for future load changes.

To not crash or clock-scretch on the change.

"I might be heading for more load, lets proactively ask for insane amount of voltage from VRM!"

Intel kept that, just limited the max request (unless you change something).

[languid gulch]

that sounds like a truly wild thing to just simply miss, even after firing a bunch of engineers

[twin dew]

Because they didn't think the voltage level would be problematic?
Because simulating and accelerated testing can only tell so much compared to actual long term testing and usage?

[languid gulch]

it just seems like a "they couldn't possibly be this stupid" thing

[twin dew]

Why couldn't they?
AMD did kind of similar with the AM5 VSOC?

[languid gulch]

i guess that's what the $35B class action suit will find out

[twin dew]

Intel has been in death spiral because of bad exec level decisions for a long time.
And that has affected even their Xeon dies, like the years delay to the latest one, needing tens of revisions. (24 total? 11 that were actually manufactured?)

When the norm is that the first or second manufactured version is the one that comes to market.

Intel has been carved out inside from over 10 years of cost cutting etc. in wrong places.

[night girder]

What Baldur said is true, but afaik, it's one of the issues. Intel thinks there is more going on.

[twin dew]

Yeah, not "just" the single voltage overboosting thing.

But that was probably large part on why the ringbus seems to be failing in some of the CPUs.

[willow pike]

and those 24 revisions encompass two totally separate products with the same name, the sapphire rapids they showed off looks visibly different to the one they manufactured; that ain't just a respin or stepping

[twin dew]

Seen in the revision numbers IIRC

[willow pike]

"yeah chiplets are great! we know chiplets! we have the best chiplets! not like AMD's glue!"

"so our next xeon has fewer chiplets because that's better actually"

[twin dew]

Fifth major revision that finally got into the world, and the fifth iteration of that (E5)

A0, A1, B0, C0, C1, C2, D0, E0, E2, E3, E4, E5 (and almost certainly E1 in there too).

[willow pike]

the design team would send designs off to be manufactured to see if it worked rather than put more effort into simulations

which is bonkers

ain't gonna see nvidia, amd, samsung, fuckin anyone else do that

[twin dew]

They almost certainly thought they had working product every time.

[willow pike]

you'd think after the third time they'd take a moment to think things over

intel CFO said

"When you look at how we're structured now, the product area can whip the manufacturing organization around quite a bit: they can do as many hot lots as they want. They can do as many samples as they want. They can do as many steppings as they want. They can change their forecast pretty much every week if they wanted to do that,"

"So there is a ton of inefficiency in the fab just by virtue of the way it's been structured and what we've optimized to, that made a ton of sense when you're a monopoly, it just doesn't make sense anymore," he added.

"I've heard statistics of, like, uptimes on certain pieces of equipment that were 20 percent for us, and when you look at the best in class, it's 80 percent uptime for that piece of equipment," Zinsner told the audience.

[twin dew]

Then maybe Intel shouldn't skimp on the number of people on the manufacturing floors?
Like they are doing based on probable employee complaints.

Because more employees to keep the machines working and fed is much cheaper than that kind of uptime.

[willow pike]

this is a deeply, fundamentally rotten company in the way only huge blue chip monopolies can be

[twin dew]

And I didn't notice that Asus had put out new set of AMD RAID drivers that wasn't on AMD site yet, before nuking the OS...
I could just have tried if those stabilized the system :(

Redid the new install with those, but if that would have helped, would have saved so much time

[pure karma]

did that earlier on when i first found the setting

[sharp oasis]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-5-5500x3d-a-more-affordable-6-core-cpu-with-3d-v-cache-spotted-in-eec-filing

[dire igloo]

5950X3D when?

[gilded helm]

If AM4 persists so long that it keeps DDR4 memory prices low into the start of DDR6, that's going to be amusing.

[dire igloo]

There won't be DDR6 for a long time

We're getting CAMM2 first

[edgy hazel]

and elder scrolls 6

copium

[night girder]

Half Life 3

[gilded helm]

CAMM2 is just another possible interface for DDR6.

[pure karma]

its not on my main pc but dammit il take it

went from 15-35 to basically 600 from switchign to ethernet

changing nothing else

[night girder]

ethernet fixed or was that other PC?

[pure karma]

not fixed just moved my second pc back downstairs and measured it but yea its not the cable its the ethernet controler thats borked

[sharp oasis]

That's what I asked

[safe trench]

should i get this

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-Performance-Unbuffered-Generation/dp/B08GSTF5NJ/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2DOVSB0908ZXX&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.rc5ha2fx6IbHe5J5W8lFDf21UkUEDaAQjVrf8h-LmS19D4SE4642HzOC1cwB0ZCMdxBb3CZOugR--4rRpHP_hYmlrDIv-xKsSlYUNKbGwfOqKLWawnaDkIYeS304ECKoHaFfo2UPf-6NImn0YrBGtno2fhApd4Wgu5vwaCOHR8nF6YiJpHMRIXYRhdQd5-QKswdr-KTWBlh07BR0dm_m1LMi62SiU4QwzstsexXgT_g.GVap4csJ4qIOjy0_ubZRAgwkcHpcyRU3NRRrRkW4uJI&dib_tag=se&keywords=corsair+ram+sodimm+laptop+ddr4+intel+i5+24+gig+3200&qid=1723584899&sprefix=corsair+ram+sodimm+laptop+ddr4+intel+i5+24+gig+3200%2Caps%2C128&sr=8-1

[tough owl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6-mAcxJug8

[safe trench]

"yo can i get the hiroshima cut?" type hair

[twin dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wLXQnZjcjU

[safe trench]

ruh oh

we cant just have 2 whole seprate mobos

pc industry is not in a good spot

[twin dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyA9DRTJtyE

But I now have 2x 32GB DDR4 3200MT/s ECC UDIMMs in the house \o/
To replace 4x 8GB of the same.

[twin dew]

Hmm... No-one on #satisfactory seems to know about ROT13 and ROT26 😭

[charred pewter]

whatever those are

😄

[twin dew]

EBG13 nalbar?

[charred pewter]

now you are just making up letters and numbers

[twin dew]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROT13

[twin dew]

So "decoded": ROT13 anyone?

Did I decode it, or encode it again?

[junior quail]

"QRPBQRQ" and "Yes"

[night girder]

jgs you on about?

[twin dew]

Just that
It was complete jgs that no-one seemed to know about ROT13...

[night girder]

Why would everyone know about ROT13?

Seems something more niche tbh 🙂

[twin dew]

That no-one seemed to know.
Not that everyone didn't know.

[soft bloom]

46

[twin dew]

Going for the extra security of four passes then? To drive up the time factor?

No, I fucked up completely... I have been wanting to go to bed for hours already.

[twin dew]

An unauthenticated attacker could repeatedly send IPv6 packets, that include specially crafted packets, to a Windows machine which could enable remote code execution.
msrc.microsoft.com/update-guide/vulnerability/CVE-2024-38063

[raven ridge]

I hope satisfactory 1.0 will have gamepad support

[hardy compass]

hi, quick question

a friend has IPhone 5 with probably a dead-ish or damaged battery. When on charger, phone shows it's charing, but it can't be turned on. She wants to extract some pictures from that phone. I have no idea about Apple and stuff, so I wonder - is it possible somehow? obviously she wants to evade paying for phone repairs or data extraction, since she already has new phone.

Anyone has any ideas how it could be done? Or is the data encrypted and without turning the phone on it's impossible?

(feel free to @ me, I don't read here often)

[night girder]

Does your friend have backups?

There are some auto backup features for iPhones.

Either to cloud. Or locally to PC.

[hardy compass]

the obvious ways (iCloud, backups, etc.) were already considered (was on iCloud but she lost password and it was registered to a phone number she no longer has)

[gilded helm]

Are Pixel Watches worth anything? I'm getting a Pixel 9 XL, and I can get a watch 3 for 50% off? I'm probably going to get one for kicks?

[willow pike]

for 50% off, they're worth it

for retail price, not so much

i got a pixel watch 1 at 50% off and it does what i need

[safe trench]

heart rate monitor of my laptop rn

[edgy hazel]

Without turning it on, no bueno

You can try recovery mode or whatever the iPhone 5 has or maybe replace the battery. Otherwise nope

[soft bloom]

It must be ebg46

But actually i screwed up

Ascii has something for integers that isn't numbers in its registry

{r shy even leave numbers intact?

[orchid verge]

gotta love it when a client tries to do work they don't fully understand and end up dropping all sorts of indexes and foreign keys in a database 🙃

[tough owl]

i love people messing with databases who have no idea what their doing

[orchid verge]

technically i dont mind because i get paid to fix it lol

but still annoying lol

[twin dew]

Because the numbers we use are arabic, not latin.
And the specific "cipher" is "corruption" of roman one.

ROT47 is a thing, which works on the 94 printable 7-bit ASCII characters in same way.
(and I only stepped into that trying to find ROT46)

[wanton orchid]

@dire igloo
well, my message didnt age well at all, sorry for these
btw, thanks steve

[visual tree]

If this doesn't scare stupid parents who leave their kids locked in a car when shopping during summer, I don't know what else will...

[edgy hazel]

This also applies to my apartment

[visual tree]

Send the data to a landlord and demand AC installation

*success is not guaranteed

[edgy hazel]

We got evicted anyways. So doesn't matter

[mental oriole]

It's legal here to break into a car (break window) if an animal is locked inside, given it's a concern for their health.

Assuming you can't get hold on the owner.

[visual tree]

We have dumb laws here and you can get fined if you break window in order to save an animal (or a child)....

The only legal thing you can do is call the ambulance and police

Also, leaving your car windows opened is also illegal and you will be fined 🤣

[mental oriole]

[night girder]

@twin dew I guess it wasn't the CPU 😦

[visual tree]

Translated by Google

[mental oriole]

Thats so dumb...

[visual tree]

A lot of things in this country are insanely dumb

One example from reddit (translated)

[dire igloo]

I don't have the slightest idea of what data was released that made your statement age this poorly - do you have a pic or a link maybe?

[glass panther]

any thoughts on resin vs. filament printing as a "first 3d printer" thing?

[edgy hazel]

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/zero-click-windows-tcp-ip-rce-impacts-all-systems-with-ipv6-enabled-patch-now/
Ouch

Yet another iPv6 L

[wanton orchid]

#off-topic-tech message

[mental oriole]

Isnt it patched already?

[twin dew]

Yes

Patches and disclosure both happened yesterday or day before that.

[mental oriole]

I like this one more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYBiud3DCHA

[edgy hazel]

Imagine not updating

Leave my localhost alone 😭

it's local and on my host

she local on my host till it exploits

I fucking hate TPU

[night girder]

So that leaves either: GPU, PSU, RAM or Motherboard

[edgy hazel]

Get squished

[edgy hazel]

Have you tried just a fresh install?

[wanton orchid]

did you dry it (iirc you had some issues with hydration some days ago?)
is it direct driven ?

[dire igloo]

https://youtube.com/shorts/wjkdCdX5Xmo

[edgy hazel]

Its dry af. Bought a dryer aljust for this spool. Yes its direct driven. I've reduced retraction which helped a lot. Now I'm fine tuning flowrate

[edgy hazel]

They don't use unnecessarily soft TPU like mine

[dire igloo]

Sounds like a you problem then

[edgy hazel]

It 100% is

[dire igloo]

A tee pee you problem to be exact

[edgy hazel]

Shut up

[tough owl]

Guys talking about Linux to girls can and will eventually get her to be your gf

[edgy hazel]

But yeah 223°C, 0.8mm retraction and 125% flow seems to work way better

Any hotter and I get teleported directly into Stringing Kingdom and have an arranged marriage with Princess Poppingsounds

[wanton orchid]

no freaking way, are you serious ?

[edgy hazel]

Only works with girls that own a blahaj plush. I've tried

[dire igloo]

Step 1: Gift blahaj plush
Step 2: talk about linux

[edgy hazel]

There are some steps required before and after the blahaj plush but yeah that's the gist

[tough owl]

Yea

[tough owl]

She doesn't ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[night girder]

Yeah ages ago my friend 😂 On your advice.

bios reset. drivers reinstalled. clean install OS. reseated GPU, new CPU, ...

It's still the same issue since I got this build. It's only that sometimes, my PC is stable for a month. Then it crashes 10 times in a minute and then it's stable for ages. There is no consistency besides that the system is unstable.

[twin dew]

And still the "Automatic reboot with no BSOD" type?

[night girder]

Nothing changed for that.

I was playing GW2 yesterday, I alt + tab, screen turns black, I see boot leds blinking on mobo. Everything reboots. I go to event viewer and see 41.

I checked bios today, everything is on auto.