off-topic-tech

[jagged snow]

Hwinfo

[twin dew]

www.hwinfo.com/

[wanton orchid]

hmm

did I just confuse things or there was a hwmonitor before cpuid getting it

So hwmonitor != hwmonitor != hwinfo

[twin dew]

Been CPUID since at least 2010 with version 1.17.
And possibly since start in 2001.

[sage pier]

wait whats the difference? I know there is megabytes a second (mb/s) and megabit a second (mbps/s)

[twin dew]

mb/s and mbps/s are nothing.
There is MB/s, Mb/s and Mbps (same as Mb/s)

the p is just per, same as /

m is milli, M is mega.

[edgy hazel]

mibi

[charred pewter]

millibytes

[twin dew]

And bps/s would be just b.

bits per seconds per seconds.

[edgy hazel]

New breakfast cereal

[sage pier]

ah ok thx

do you think the steam and epic games and whatever firefox's servers are are just not close to me?

[twin dew]

And b is bit, and B is byte, and each byte is 8 bits (except old systems).

[edgy hazel]

Millibyte would be 1/1000th of a byte

[charred pewter]

its a mini bite ...

[sage pier]

I used to have quantam fiber before I had to move but I didn't have to move that far basically just enough that quantam fiber wasn't in my area -_-

[twin dew]

Most marketing and speed tests etc. are in Mb/s / Mbps (megabits per second).
Most user programs measure the speeds in MB/s (megabytes per second).

[edgy hazel]

That's a very good slogan for a Cereal called Millibytes holy shit

[charred pewter]

the bigger number for Mb looks better for marketting

[sage pier]

yes but I only get 20-30 MB/s on steam firefox and epic games but on speedtest I get 940 mb/s

[obtuse geyser]

Afterburner is just another app I would have to keep track off. Don't you have to open it every time to apply the settings? I prefer system built-in solutions.

[sage pier]

that should be at least 125 MB/s

[twin dew]

Open the www.speedtest.net/
Press the "Change Server".
And select something that isn't your ISPs.

[twin dew]

That would be the theoretical 1Gb/s link speed, with no overhead.

[obtuse geyser]

Whats your country?

[sand saddle]

No, it has an apply at startup button

[sage pier]

still in my area though?

[charred pewter]

i seem to average around 67 MB/s on steam ....

[twin dew]

With good ISP, you would get the same speed from fast host on other side of the continent.

[charred pewter]

so 20 seems low yes

[obtuse geyser]

with or without app running ?

[sage pier]

united fucking states baby where cost recovery fee is still legal

[sage pier]

aight I'll try cox 2 hours away from me

[charred pewter]

"Call Before You Dig cost recovery fee: $4.28"

[twin dew]

Ah, USA, most of your ISPs cheat with speed tests, and delay actual interconnect upgrades so they are bottlenecked hard.

[sand saddle]

Without

Just need to find the right settings and it should be fine from there

[obtuse geyser]

weird, there should be steam servers in US. Try speedtest with washington dc server.

[twin dew]

Cheat as in priorize the traffic above everything else.

[sand saddle]

Auto updates could fuck shit up as it did for me once

[charred pewter]

my old ISP always wanted me to try their branded (internal) speedtest whenever i called having speed issues ... and im like, that doesnt prove anything, the issue is getting from there to the outside world! but they rarely listened lol

[twin dew]

No Steam Proxy in the ISPs own network and bottlenecked interconnecting.

[sand saddle]

But other than that one single problem it’s been fine for me

[edgy hazel]

Try fast.com
That's netflixes own speed test for checking if your ISP is throttling you. Its running on Netflix server which are usually throttled if you ISP is fucking with shit

[sage pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1101905537148387380/1240311902735700050/Screenshot_2024-05-15_083632.png?ex=664619f9&is=6644c879&hm=40214132d7cd8357156972e24d03c689ef7dfc4f3e44e58c4661095ae29c3f1a&

still 100 MB/s

[obtuse geyser]

if you want actual real life speed test, google linux distro server, those are usually pretty fast, and start downloading dvd image.

[sage pier]

I'm trying washington dc

[charred pewter]

surely your ISP isn't throttling specific kinds of data 😉

[twin dew]

As the USA ISPs have decided that providers like Steam should pay them to put proxies in their internal network.
And that the OTHER side should pay for any interconnect upgrades. Not that both sides pay for their own gear and share the cost for work connect those together (which is tiny, as the ISP gear for that is in same data center).

Leading to any traffic going outside of the ISPs network being SLOW, as the interconnects are way overloaded.

[obtuse geyser]

washington?

[sage pier]

washington dc

[obtuse geyser]

yay, your isp is junk

try german servers next 😉

then complain to isp and get ignored

usually the country-to-country routes get congested, especially if some troll superpower cuts the undersea cables.

[twin dew]

But anyways, your connection to your ISPs network is fast, but the connections between your ISP and the rest of the Internet are crap.

[obtuse geyser]

475/52 mbit to nearby city server for me, but 190/ 52 to washington dc.
You can tell ocean link is congested because it doesnt give me full 450mbit on download, but handles my allocated upload just fine.

[sage pier]

what do i do then?

[twin dew]

So switch to slower speed and specify the crap interconnects to Internet as the cause.

Or switch ISP if possible, and again state the same.

Because basically your current ISP is cheapskate and isn't doing interconnect upgrades to keep up with their customers usage.

[obtuse geyser]

You can try checking speed to server in your state instead of washington. depending how networks are segmented (per state?) you will get better speeds within own state.

[obtuse geyser]

I get full speed within continental europe, so our between-country links work well.
It is possible your isp has poor connection interstate too.
Bunch of measurements could be a basis to request refund. or skip fines for changing isp if your cointract has those.

[sage pier]

this is the capital of my state

[obtuse geyser]

looks like poor interstate connection then.

[twin dew]

But that was again probably your providers test server.
You don't really care about the location as much as who is hosting it.

[obtuse geyser]

got any alternative isp? it is good to have BATNA when going angry on current isp.

[twin dew]

When the test server is within 1000km or so and same continent.

Comcast for example has their own USA wide network, and everything is great inside it.
But going to any other network used to be just crap.

So test to Comcast server on other side of the continent and the results are great.
Test to another ISPs server in same city and the results would be crap.

[obtuse geyser]

I assume op is selecting server from different company than his isp.
ookla speedtest has a bunch of isp's in the list all around the flat circle.

[sage pier]

my neighboring state

[obtuse geyser]

looks state interconnects are bad.

[sage pier]

I also wasn't in the same servers as my isp so that might have been a tiny bit part of it

940/940 normally but when I switch isps in the same area it becomes 878/737

[obtuse geyser]

being in different servers is the point. you don't want them giving you a priority lane and saying all is fine, you want to check if you can use other companies servers.

[twin dew]

And we don't know how much priorization that gets.
As many US ISPs priorize Speedtest.net traffic.

To make the speeds seem to be better than they actually are.

Which was the reason for the alternate speed tests suggested above.

[sage pier]

I don't

[sage pier]

I'm blind I can't find it

[twin dew]

You can hope that the coming USA Net Neutrality rules change the situation.
The previous ones were in part designed to target behavior like what you are experiencing.

[twin dew]

One here.

[twin dew]

Another.

[sage pier]

fast.com says 940 mb/s

[twin dew]

But your ISP probably has Netflix proxy in their network.

[twin dew]

And again, Mb/s...

m vs M is critical.

[sage pier]

ah mb

[twin dew]

Even the B vs b has way smaller difference.

[obtuse geyser]

only when dealing with units where fractions make sense. fractional bytes do not. It is more crucial to distinguish B and b (or ib)

[twin dew]

And with mb/s you don't know what has been meant.
With Mb/s and MB/s you know in both cases, as someone writing Mb/s and meaning MB/s is very rare.
And mB/s just doesn't happen except as typo.

[steel peak]

anyone know of an open source pdf viewer that can also create a signature field

[twin dew]

Open source, or free to use?

[steel peak]

preference for open source

looking at okular rn

wdf garbage ass microsoft store taking forever to download its stuck

[tough owl]

https://twitter.com/Patrosi73/status/1789756959933038610

PatRyk (@Patrosi73) on X

Twitter · May 12, 2024, 8:38 PM

Cursed switch

[twin dew]

Seems like I need to set up my summer room fan setup tomorrow.
Currently almost 29C inside the room.

[tough owl]

I always forget a lot of the EU doesn’t have hvac in homes

[twin dew]

Finland even less.

[visual tree]

Most of people here have split AC

[twin dew]

Here outside temperature of 25C used to be pretty rare during summer.
We still get extra "Heat" warnings when forecasts say that is about to happen.

[obtuse geyser]

Is Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 7900 GRE a solid choice? Was thinking 7800xt, but then found out GRE exists and is basically same price. Other models go up in price 😕

[twin dew]

Sapphire AFAIK still makes the AMD reference cards.

[jagged snow]

It's wild that you're over 10 degrees warmer than me right now

High temps under 14 currently

[twin dew]

Parts of Finland forecast to get over 25C tomorrow.
And I didn't have windows open and I have black curtains to block out light.
Evening sun heated the room pretty well because of that.

[obtuse geyser]

elaborate. Is that 'meh, they are average' or 'amd uses them, so they must be good'?

[twin dew]

Solid but average AFAIK.

[obtuse geyser]

next step up is gigabyte, but their card reviews says its loud.

[jagged snow]

Our highest temp forecast in the next week is 17

[tough owl]

It’s currently 16C outside

And im pretty far south comparatively

[jagged snow]

Then we're supposed to warm up to around 20 for the rest of the month

[tough owl]

26 😭

Peak temperature is at 3-4pm here typically

[jagged snow]

Oof, gettin toasty

[haughty zenith]

New PC built, now I'm ready for 1.0 😉

Rzyen 7800 x3d, Quadro RTX 4000 (which I'm gonna replace at some point but got it free and it runs games ok enough for me), 32 GB memory

[stray badger]

What it normaly would be this time of year... but its a high of 21c today

[dire igloo]

How does it look on the inside?

[languid gulch]

10AM here & 33C

[haughty zenith]

Tight. It's hard to find cases with multiple drive bays. Don't have a photo currently though.

At least everything works ^^

[sand saddle]

Fractal pop series has 2 drive bays

[languid gulch]

that also looks like a mid-tower size

[sand saddle]

And there are also the overpriced be quiet cases

[languid gulch]

any case can have 5.25" bays if you have a dremel

[sand saddle]

Though might also be only 2 slots

[haughty zenith]

Wanted at least three 5.25" and at least one 3.5"

The plan would've been to have another 5.25" floppy drive, as depending on the disk density, they're not fully compatible. But 5.25" FDs are longer than CD ROMs, and only the top slot is above the mainboard.

Am probably gonna use the third 5.25" bay for a multi card reader or something

[languid gulch]

external options not good enough?

[haughty zenith]

I find it neat if everything is inside a case rather than a staple of drives on top of the case ^^

[languid gulch]

true

does anyone make a console just for bays that you can USB to the tower?

[sand saddle]

Probably

[obtuse geyser]

cases with any forward bays AND space for front fans are rare.

[haughty zenith]

Best I can do with the tight space below my desk ^^

[obtuse geyser]

is there at least 1cm space behind motherboard? shove cabling there?

[haughty zenith]

This one luckily has one fan on the front, hope it's gonna be enough

[obtuse geyser]

You may not be able to fit any regular sized gpu there

[haughty zenith]

The purple board on the bottom is the Greaseweazle floppy controller, that allows me to use these drives on a modern system ^^

(I do tinker a lot with old stuff as well so that's handy)

[haughty zenith]

There is some space for flat cables behind the back cover. I put some there ^^

[haughty zenith]

You can remove a part of the hard drive bay (which I don't use anyways) to install a long GPU. But currently the quadro will do, I'm not a hardcore gamer. For the stuff I play it's enough (although it's definitely running on it's limit with Satisfactory).

Quadros aren't ideal for gaming, but I got this for free (the workstation it was in had a dead motherboard and was thrown away), so why not ^^

[pure karma]

dang i think the hotest i have seen (and this was in my old room) was 28C

but then again i dident have my new pc at that time

[twin dew]

Outside air right outside the windows is the same temperature.

The building wall getting heated by straight sunlight.

[jagged snow]

I thought you all claimed to have way better insulation than us or something

[twin dew]

Black curtains in direct sunlight.

[languid gulch]

could always just duct tape a leafblower to the front of the case

[jagged snow]

Ah, missed that there were curtains

[twin dew]

If I replaced those with something that didn't heat up like crazy inside the windows.

[sharp oasis]

Looking at laptops

It's painfully expensive

And it doesn't seem to have may amd options on modern laptops

[jagged snow]

Which I do find comical considering how much better they perform in handhelds

[sharp oasis]

Fr

It's all Intel and nvidia

[jagged snow]

A big part of that is that the consumer recognition isn't as strong as intel/nvidia

[sharp oasis]

It's painful

As any laptop I look at rn

[jagged snow]

A surprising number of laptop buyers don't look at anything more than the fact that it says intel and their last one did too so it must be good

[sharp oasis]

2.4k cdn for a slightly worse 13700k

And a glorified 3060

[twin dew]

Also AMD doesn't have resources to help design the laptop PCBs for the OEMs like Intel does in part.
And Intel is still doing the same kind of stuff like before where the OEM will basically pay more if they do significant amount of AMD stuff.

For Intel chips and chipsets etc.
And lose marketing cooperation and money.

[visual tree]

Since when are pc shops selling GPON? 😅

Not sure who their customers are since ISP's will buy GPON directly from manufacturers like Huawei, Nokia, etc...

[twin dew]

Listing a product doesn't cost much.

[maiden coyote]

Yay 4060

Amd is the king for apu's like any laptop you get that has amd in it will have decent graphics performance on battery.

[twin dew]

Also for long time, and maybe even now, AMD just didn't/doesn't have the production slice from TSMC to produce enough chips for mass market laptops.

[tough owl]

they have a ton of rdna3 desktop inventory sitting around

[obtuse geyser]

Funny, because the newly available 7900GRE was supposed to be a laptop chip.
Apparently nobody wanted it, so now they make desktop cards out of them 😂

[twin dew]

No? Just even more harvested Navi 31.

Ah, smaller package, not different chip.

So the substrate is smaller, as there is need for less VRAM pins.

[charred pewter]

M4 MacBookPro ... mmm

[obtuse geyser]

hey, if I can get a minimally trimmed navi 31 for the price of navi 32 with performance between 7800xt and 7900xt, why not.

[pure karma]

yea ik laptops feel like such a scam right now

[soft bloom]

who worked with pydantic v2 ?

[languid gulch]

just use USD so it's a smaller amount of cash, jeez

[sharp oasis]

Lol

[maiden coyote]

Maybe it's used gpon gear from the US since we've had to pull all of our China telecom equipment

[soft bloom]

i might be dumb, buuut
this is sooo sus looking code, i think its wrong

context: self and other are the same when dumped as dicts.
but here... comparison (in __eq__) returns false

[jagged snow]

I do not know python well enough to say weather that boolean evaluation is correct or not lol

[visual tree]

I think it's new. Maybe they are selling them to some small local ISP's. Big ISP would never buy GPON from a computer store

Also, my bank just ditched visa and all cards will be mastercard only...

Wouldn't be surprised if other banks get rid of visa and then we will have mastercard monopoly over here

[mental oriole]

Comparing dunder dict that's a code smell like no other...

[soft bloom]

if i read that correctly, it would be false if models are the same always

which is false. i just made a copy of object and it was alright

[mental oriole]

I assume that's the object dunder eq?

what bothers me the most is the
type(self).model_fields.keys()

[soft bloom]

exactly, imentioned it. it's what happenes when something == something_else when both are pydantic's Models

oh i am dumb

[mental oriole]

I figured out that model_fields is a class dictionary, but why are they using a class dictionary to compare member fields...

[jagged snow]

Did you miss the <=

[soft bloom]

this breakpoint got triggered WAY earlier than i expected

[mental oriole]

(:

Still cursed code.

[soft bloom]

because they want to perform cheaper check before comparing values, as i understand form the comment

but i also don't udnerstand second half of the commend and sense behind the code

[mental oriole]

tbh

I would just have compared hashes of all members

And if you're worried about speed, python is the first problem 🙂

[soft bloom]

it kinda feels like they want to see if set of fields is different, but that would be different code

[soft bloom]

costly

i mean...

also not so great fordebugging

also, more context

[mental oriole]

So compare dict, if that fails compare subset of keys (which could just be stored in a list)
Idk why the dict compare is needed if you only want the subset keys in the other cases.

[soft bloom]

oh. there are fields to ignore

[mental oriole]

But the dict compare is before that... which would in that case be slow... anymore.

[soft bloom]

they say it can be faulty

that's next:

[wooden vessel]

The first == case is handled by the early return. This leaves the Interpetation of < between python lists which is so probably not what you want

There is a lot of python hairsplitting going on, this is not a good plan

However if this works don’t touch it

[mental oriole]

That's some cursed code for sure.

Lost a few years by seeing that.

[soft bloom]

what i learned so far - if you want to make beautiful code, you need to choose python and mess with its internals. you will make most devs happy, but others will know all the ugly decisions you made

[sharp oasis]

i have a pretty heavy hatred for bungie now

[charred pewter]

lmfao .... cookie fear strikes another moron ... we get a 4-star review of: "The buy went without a scratch. Minus 1 star for having to enable cookies to register with a google account."

[sharp oasis]

anti linux and anti VM

[soft bloom]

Weirdos

[sharp oasis]

I wonder why NAVI 22 didn't get a pro card

[jagged snow]

Because the demand would've been insanely low

[maiden coyote]

Well, this was an expensive lesson on pc hardware I guess. Maybe I set my expectations too high. The NUC 9 with a 9300H and a 4060 is frustratingly slow compared to my other system with a 5800x and a 2080ti

[languid gulch]

what's the lowest cpu you'd want to pair with a 6600XT these days

[maiden coyote]

it games decent enough-ish.. 90% cpu usage on satisfactory when connected to a dedi with max graphics. but it can't browse the internet while gaming.

[languid gulch]

5500?

[jagged snow]

Yeah, or equivalent on the intel side

12400 should be similar

idk, those gens launched three years ago now so I'm a bit rusty on exactly how the performance stacks up

[tough owl]

its been 3 years already?

[jagged snow]

Wild, huh

Nov 2020 iirc

[tough owl]

coming up on 4 years

man the world does not slow down for no one

[jagged snow]

Nope

[charred pewter]

another couple years will fly by then for the next gento arrive

by then we'll be on the backlog of 4 year old games ... 😆

it all works out

[twin dew]

And how the fuck would the third party login work otherwise?

[twin dew]

Could it even work with just POST?

[sharp oasis]

Ye

[sharp oasis]

3600

[gilded helm]

The gripe may not have been as a result of a lack of technical understanding. They might have been upset that they needed to do a third party login at all.

[twin dew]

When they chose to use Google Login?

[gilded helm]

I was the only one at a d&d table not using any of the online tools from Wizards of the Coast a few years ago because I refused to sign up for anything because they only allowed the services to be used with third-party logins like Google.

I'm curious about where this took place altogether so we have the full picture

[twin dew]

Would need Frigids comment if they do have non-third-party logins available.

[gilded helm]

Login, password, and account fatigue is definitely a thing these days. So it also could have just been catching a customer on a grumbly day.

I definitely see the appeal of third-party logins. I just don't want mine to be with an advertising company.

Fun fact, I still haven't bought a level 2 charger for my Chevy Bolt. But I did get a couple of 50 amp outlets installed because Chevy covered a huge chunk of the cost. But so far the only thing I have ever plugged into them via an adapter is my laptop 🙃

[languid gulch]

i finally got the 240v plug for my bolt done last week

still have to hunt down a 40 amp charger, but just going from 12 to 32 amps has made a huge difference

[soft bloom]

ryzen 1200 ?

[soft bloom]

i know that 2200g almost ™️ gets everything out of rx5700xt

and considering that some kind of bottleneck is practically inevitable...

[charred pewter]

most likely not, although never tried it ...

[charred pewter]

and @twin dew we have multiple logins with direct as well (no 3rd party option required)

[charred pewter]

and yeah, what the guy ran into is that in order to have the Google/Apple/Facebook sign in widgets enabled to use ... they have to 'enable 3rd party cookies' ... otherwise we dont even load those widget code into our website for them. this is because all those widgets bring their own set of cookies that are entirely out of our control. Thus we have the option for users to 'disable all that 3rd party crap widget includes' ....

while we DO have a couple 'essential cookies' that they cannot disable, those are local, secure, non-transferable breed and strictly used by our system to maintain sessions (like any normal site does)

we also have extra cookie checkboxes for shit like affiliate referral cookies, and then general 'google analytics' .... we actually do offer multiple choice for what cookies to enable/disable, its just the Sign In With Such-n-Such, are wrapped into the 3rd party (social media) cookie set

anyways ...... lol guy wants to use google sign up, but is upset he has to enable cookies to do so ... 🤷‍♂️

he is probably also the kind of person who places an order and then immediately goes to the 'delete my account' button =p

[pure karma]

My second monitor just had a stroke???

it just started flickering on and off and looking like it wasent getting proper DP signal

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS5CAb6s5j8

it's listening to you

[pure karma]

its likely not the the cable unless its the connector end itself

[languid gulch]

have you swapped it out for HDMI to see if that was the brain fart?

[pure karma]

the thing is its the first time i have ever seen this and i have had them for close to a year it also stopped about 20 seconds after starting to go insane

[languid gulch]

does it just go back to a normal screen immediately after, or does it power cycle?

[pure karma]

it fixed itself after about 20 or so seconds

however it was turning on and off during its "stroke"

[languid gulch]

i wonder if it was a power issue & not a DP or a "monitor itself" thing

[pure karma]

and everytime it would turn back on it would esentially display a significantly worst version of the start glitching in the video

[pure karma]

its likely not because my other one on the same exact cable type on the same power bar didn't react at all

[languid gulch]

does the other one use less power?

[pure karma]

they are the exact same model on default everything

[languid gulch]

interesting

[pure karma]

hence why im almost wondering if its the gpu output port starting to wear out from being unpluged and repluged fairly often

[languid gulch]

might be worth trying a different output from the gpu

[pure karma]

well i have no way to reproduce the issue so i have no way to test it for now

[languid gulch]

i mean, if it's a bad connection, then jiggling the plug might induce it

tho the power cycling while it's going on is a bit concerning

[pure karma]

it was all the way in and had been for a few minutes still

thats the first thing i checked when it started doing it

i checked if the cable was fully plugged in

[languid gulch]

fully plugged in can still be a loose connection if the tolerance is still out of spec

like using too small of a screwdriver bit

[pure karma]

defedently the conection

so its the port on the gpu 💀

wiggled it out of curiousity and it instantly died

[languid gulch]

at least it's known now

[pure karma]

its supper loose in the DP port almost like if the port expanded

[languid gulch]

that sucks, but at least it's not a bigger problem

i was thinking if it wasn't the connection, it was gonna be the monitor or GPU itself

[pure karma]

i guess there could posibly still be a second issue on the monitor end

[languid gulch]

1 solution at a time 🤣

[pure karma]

because of truly how heavy the cables are its not unlikely that the weight of the cable has been slowly pulling it out

[languid gulch]

hopefully you have a spare output on the gpu

[pure karma]

i do, its just likely that the same issue would happen whit the 3rd one aswell

[languid gulch]

maybe a little cable hanger thingy mounted to the desk or the tower would help with the weight

[pure karma]

i have one but the DP cables are still like double the diameter of the power cables

they are freaking massive

[languid gulch]

those sound seriously oversized

are they like 20m runs?

[pure karma]

no like 2M i think

maybe 3M

[languid gulch]

you could definitely get away with thinner DP cables

[pure karma]

i cant because whit DP you need 8K60 cables to do 1440P165

[languid gulch]

my normal ones do 144Hz/1440pUW without any problems

[pure karma]

if they are 4K compatible 144 should work

but not 165

DP is hella weird

[languid gulch]

i snaked my cables around the 1/2" black plumbing pipe i made my desk out of, haven't encountered any weird weight issues, & it keeps the cables off the ground

if that's an option

pretty cheap way to do it

[pure karma]

they are actually not far from being the size of my PSU power cable

[languid gulch]

like 6-8mm?

[pure karma]

id say 15mm atleast

[languid gulch]

wtf

[pure karma]

its over 1cm for sure

[languid gulch]

that sounds insane

[pure karma]

il take a pic of them once i can they are huge

[languid gulch]

15mm is like the width of the port

[pure karma]

maby they are like 10mm then the ports really dont look 15mm but yea

[tough owl]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/05/google-search-adds-web-filter-as-it-pivots-to-ai-focused-search-results/

I hate the direction we are in

[cosmic imp]

https://youtu.be/vPdUjLqC15Q?si=lx14LfM0CoMThtJj

[pure karma]

they are the same size turns out

[languid gulch]

i wonder if they make 90 degree adapters at that data rate, so you could at least take 1 bend out of the equation

[pure karma]

wouldent that sacrafice some data rate tho?

[jagged snow]

No

[tough owl]

[pure karma]

why does tech have to be like math, Logic is always the oposite of the answer for what you are looking for

[solemn perch]

finally made the jump to full fibre

doing off VirginMedia

[cosmic imp]

just wait until you find out about math

[tough owl]

love the new algo

[twin dew]

You need just HBR2 for that if 8bit colors, or HBR3 if 10bit colors.
So Normal DP cable for 8 bit, DP8K for 10 bit.
In reality, DP 1.2 marketed cable for 8 bit, DP 1.4 marketed cable for 10 bit.

And the problem can be the cable passing past something else that the other cable doesn't.
Or just faulty cable.

What happens if you switch the GPU side ports between the two monitors?
Does the problem stay with port, or with cable/monitor?

And with DSC, even HBR1 would be enough for both 8 and 10 bit colors.

[twin dew]

Also none of those logos are actually registered, so that cable might not actually fill that DP8K spec (HBR3).

And be just falsely advertized.

As it isn't using the actual DP8K certified logo, but mess of markings that try to suggest it is one.

[mental oriole]

I dont

[charred pewter]

but, why

[mental oriole]

Yt needs to promote lessee known shit, but the algo is 💩 so it just recommends random junk.

[charred pewter]

random junk means the lil guys have a chance of showing up once in awhile

if its only top popular things, then it just feeds them being more top popular, and then everything else is washed away 😄

granted the algorythms could be smarter and not pop stuff that is of no interest to a user... but in order to know that, then its 'omg getting into my privacy!' ... so ... yeah ....

people bitch about crappy ads ... but then also bitch about allowing the metrics to do their work and provide less crappy ads ... LOL

[mental oriole]

Not surprised

Like

The other day I got recommend a how to monke tutorial... like WHO WOULD WATCH THAT?

[charred pewter]

HAHAHHA

one time i saw a video pop up that was rebuilding a clutch .... i actually watched it, and thought it was interesting ... 😄

[languid gulch]

lol

[mental oriole]

Sure I would maybe also watch something like that, but complete trash recommends... comon.

[languid gulch]

i mean, i do like the brain rot, but only late night when my brain's already done for the day

[mental oriole]

I already have bun-rot

If it was a how to bnuy I'd click.

[charred pewter]

honestly i boggle at how 'influencers' even exist ... tbh

not a single one of them could influence me .... because i look at them and think 'holy cow this person is a fucking moron'

you know, those tv shows (and some movies) which show those over the top ridiculous people who are all like into themselves and social media and stare a phone al lthe time, and take selfies, and whatnot? i think to myself "people like that cant really exist, right? this is just exagerated for show, RIGHT?!"

a show depecting a drug addict, or a criminal thug who is just vile ... yeah, i can believe thats pretty accurate out there.... but these ... these ..... i dunno even what to call em... that cant be REAL

then i come across a youtube video and ... 🤦

[languid gulch]

influencers are just where corporations use cheap/free product amplification to hawk their stuff, using someone who thinks they're popular, but are actually just retail employees without normal corporate protections

[charred pewter]

i think the crazier part that boggles my mind, is how those people have so many 'followers'

i have no examples to show ... but it comes up often in tv shows

someone always talking into their phone cause they are streaming, and tons of people all 'reacting' and it shows all these silly stupid floating emojis ...

[languid gulch]

but those are people who call themselves influencers, there's people who actually influence people & markets who don't call themselves that

[charred pewter]

tends to be some girl ... stereotyping in hollywood? no sir!

right!

thats what i mean the most... its the over the top 'self proclaimed wondergods' "influencers"

but like ... i guess like "Linus Tech Tips", they are influencers, but they really dont call themselves that. they just produce decent review vids that people look too because they (used too?) be fairly legit accurate

i didnt follow all the recent broohaha over LTT

if there was any

🤷‍♂️

[languid gulch]

nothing too recently, but still some publicly unresolved stuff like the harassment & the "that's kinda theft" thing

[charred pewter]

just speaking in public, someone is gonna claim harassment these days ... 😉

i harassed a customer earlier this week by emailing them telling them the game they ordered was ready to grab

legit customer bitched me out for emailing them, wanted 'off the list' ...

i was harrasing them in email about their order being done ...

🍭

[languid gulch]

also their backpacks having issues 🤣

[charred pewter]

depends on the issue i guess ... seems every product has issues 😦

boils down to what can be overlooked/ignored/worked around

was it LTT who made that 'perfect screwdriver' ... only to have it be a complete flop?

[languid gulch]

basically

i could see it being useful for PC building, but that's about it, & for a product like that, it's not best sold to consumers, but contracted to OEMs & SI's for their staff

[charred pewter]

Geek Squad contract 😄

[languid gulch]

hell, why not Geek Squad. also get the contract to have them available to buy at the counter

[charred pewter]

theres a pretty solid screwdriver by Klein which works great even in heavy situations like automotive .... i couldnt imagine a flimsy 'computer screwdriver' lasting in that setting

[languid gulch]

the one thing that'd get me to buy it is the fact that the ratchet is way back near the handle

[charred pewter]

ive got a crappy household screwdriver with multi-bit ... but all the bits just loosely rattle around in the handle, so its always a pain to open it up and fumble about with the mess, and then getting it all back in

and its ratchet is crap too 😄

ive been meaning to get a new multi-bit ratching screwdriver ........ just been lazy

[languid gulch]

i wish i could find one that has a really nice backlash but also a decent lock

the only really useful tool i've found recently was the ryobi rechargeable screwdriver

[charred pewter]

ah, assisted turning 😄

[languid gulch]

for light duty stuff it's amazing

[charred pewter]

i had one from B&D ... but all the batteries died, and they stopped selling those kinds it needed

yeah, very helpful for just turning a screw when you really cant twist your hands around

[languid gulch]

or you really don't wanna be standing there turning something manually for 30 seconds

[charred pewter]

lol for 200 turns

but honestly, whats really crazy is just how useful this sucker is...... not only does it have flat and philips, but it has two standard sized hex head just from the shaft ends

[languid gulch]

i love when i remember the hex head 🤣

[charred pewter]

i think i have 5 of these scattered around the house and garage

theres literally a couple hundred different multibit screwdrivers on amazon

[languid gulch]

last xmas my mom got me a flat & philips head 24in shank screwdriver set 🤣

they feel like weapons, but they've actually been critically useful a few times

[charred pewter]

something i always tell relatives for gift ideas "when in doubt, just randomly buy some tool... i'll find a use for it"

[languid gulch]

the double-scissor super long pliers are a funny gift until you need them

[charred pewter]

i end up with some crazy multi-electricians pliers ... and im like ... ya know, this thing is useful for all manner of things its not designed for !

haha right

"now why would i need 2 foot long needle nose pliers?" ..... two months later... BINGO that tool worked perfectly for what i needed to do !

[languid gulch]

one thing i got for my whole family after i got some & started using them were those dentists' pick things. tool steel, super sharp, & amazing for getting into tight spaces with a strong piece of metal

[charred pewter]

oh yeah!

ive got a bunch from college, cause i took a lot of arts/crafts classes, and boy those come in handy

its amazing how TOUGH they are huh??

[languid gulch]

those & fine brushes for cleaning are great

[charred pewter]

ive pried open things... ive torn apart equipement ... jambed holes in sheet metal ...

[languid gulch]

oh i immediately stuck myself with the pick 🤣 learned fast to be careful with them

[charred pewter]

hahaha

is sharp =p

[languid gulch]

i still have to find a place in my shop for my bandsaw

trying to decide if i should put it on its own mount or bolt it to the workbench

[charred pewter]

i NEEd a bandsaw

you know... everytime i go to make something, im like "this woulda been easier if i had a fricken bandsaw"

[languid gulch]

i found a saw a few years ago that i ended up buying 3 of

[charred pewter]

haha ... those are nice !

i dont know why they work so good, but they do

[languid gulch]

they got bought out & now make a crappier version of it

[charred pewter]

oh poop

[languid gulch]

but the old ones you can swap out the blades on

which means you can carry it in a toolbag disassembled at half the length

my dad bought the DeWalt version of it & immediately hated it

& i tried it & saw why

there's a notch in the metal above the teeth where you're supposed to start cutting, that makes it jump on every backstroke

& it's about 3x as thick as it needs to be, making it a pain to use in general

[charred pewter]

well dang

i usually like dewalt

[languid gulch]

clearly made by a company that didn't learn the basics about what makes a good pullsaw & why

[charred pewter]

"japanese saw made by americans"

[languid gulch]

yup

[charred pewter]

lets make it thicker! more robust!!

🤦

[languid gulch]

i can maybe see why they did it. trying to teach americans that have never used a pullsaw before, & are guaranteed to mangle thin teeth by using it as a pusher

[charred pewter]

or trying to use it as an axe ...

[languid gulch]

but that's one hell of a way to say "we have no interest in teaching people the right way to use a tool"

[charred pewter]

welp, im tired of babysitting our webserver for crashes ... so im gonna try to get SOME sleep tonight ... 👋

[languid gulch]

pleasant sleep 🙂

[charred pewter]

the cat will!

[edgy hazel]

Kindergarteners will be so proud of themselves for being able to draw a triangle. My GPU can draw tens of thousands of those in a second. You are not special.

[jagged snow]

But can your gpu draw a triangle with a crayon? I don't think so.

[edgy hazel]

Can a kindergartner post process a triangle properly? No I don't think so.

[tough owl]

crayons are writing utensils?

[edgy hazel]

They always colour outside the lines

[tough owl]

motion blur

[mental oriole]

Motion blur shader

[charred pewter]

kids got built in motion blur

[visual tree]

At least it's not Windows XP

[charred pewter]

would you trust your banking to windows

[twin dew]

Unfortunately most ATM:s have used various Windows versions for 20+ years.

The various Windows Embedded versions.

The most unfortunately named Windows I know of: "Windows Embedded POSReady"

[charred pewter]

We Poser?

[twin dew]

Piece of Shit Ready?

[charred pewter]

that too lol

but all POS are ... POS ... like it runs the world, and its still all such a crapy archaic system

[visual tree]

At least I got rid of the transparent visa card. It's the ugliest card I ever owned and you could see wires inside the card....

Bank cards are getting uglier and cheaper recently

[visual tree]

Would you trust this for pulling fiber through conduit?

One problem I see is that fiber is usually around 3 mm

[twin dew]

Well, you have to pull from the connector anyways, not the fiber?
As the connector is in the way.

[visual tree]

That's what I am also worried about and hoped it would work like a chinese finger trap

In a way that you could wrap it tight around the fiber but keep it loose on the connector part

[twin dew]

The cable holder is the small part with the rotation indicator arrow on the left if I understood correctly.

[visual tree]

I could pull the fiber through conduit by hand but that will most likely result in damage

Fiber is such pain in the ass compared to ethernet cable since it's extremely fragile....

With ethernet you at least don't have to worry about anything

[jagged snow]

cat6 for everything personal will be sufficient for quite a few years I'd imagine

[visual tree]

I am running fiber from the attic where splice box from ISP will be installed to my room

There are alternative conduits where I could run fiber without any issues but I prefer my room 😅

[jagged snow]

Local isp is now doing fiber only for new installs, even on their 50/50 service

[visual tree]

The holder is the black net thing starting from the right

FS.com could make a custom fiber with pulling eye but they want to charge me €130 for the delivery only 💀

Need singlemode simplex LC/UPS to SC/APC fiber compliant with G.657 standard to be specific

[tough owl]

my home isp does fiber to the distribution box and coax to the house(it’s not symmetrical 🤡)

[jagged snow]

Oh that's fun

I just landed a pretty solid promo at the new place

Paying a flat $20/month for 100Mbps symmetrical and I just have to supply router/wap combo

[tough owl]

My summer apartment only lets Tenets pay for 50mbps max

[jagged snow]

Oh that's rough

Install is a week from today, going to see if I can get the technicians to do an actual quality job

[tough owl]

I’m close enough to campus I probably could get a powerful enough received and take from campus

[jagged snow]

Which is usually very difficult

[tough owl]

Look man they have 10gig to each building and it’s across a parking lot and a 2 lane road

[jagged snow]

Doable
Set up one of those medium-range dish systems

Do you actually have anything with a 10gig nic?

[tough owl]

Oh not at all. APs are only like wifi 5 Cisco ones

But on my MacBook which probably has the best antenna on it can see the network just can’t connect to it reliably

[jagged snow]

I'm going wifi 6, picked up a netgear ax1800 for 45 bucks

[tough owl]

I can measure the distance from my window to the outside wall of that building

93 meters

[visual tree]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Cd0ToSbJwQQ

[sage pier]

@twin dew idk if you're still awake but

I am sorry you are experiencing issues with your download speeds.
I reviewed your account and do not see any issues with the connection. How did you determine its server specific?
I have never seen Speedtest.net use a TDS server for its test, for me, TDS is not even one of the options when I click on change server.
Being that you use your own modem, I am a little more limited as to what I can see, but again the connection looks good with all stats in the green.
It looks like you may be using an Eero, the app for Eero also has a built in speed test that may help you in your investigation, otherwise I would recommend contacting the support for one of the gaming sites you mentioned and see if they have recommendations for your modem settings.
this is what they sent and I think I know what to say but I still don't know what to say. Could you guide me on what to say?

[jagged snow]

I just had a new experience
Found software that explicitly supports macos/linux but not windows

[sage pier]

I've never heard of that before

[jagged snow]

It was a new one for me

I'd come across stuff that was macos or linux exclusive, but nothing that covered both of those but not windows

WSL to the rescue once again

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow

Ram allocation rate go crazy

[jagged snow]

Geez

[sharp oasis]

I got it to use like 10gb ram

And these are supposed to optimize the game

Not make it worse

[mental oriole]

"optimize" java 🤣

[wanton orchid]

that's like about any server focused system software managers

[jagged snow]

Yeah but that's not what this is

It's the only tool in the expo dev suite that doesn't support windows

[tough owl]

L/unix my beloved

[stray badger]

Moonray doesnt support windows

Tho i think it may be linux only

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow hmm

Downward in voltage. Loads more core pref

But at a expense

Mem controller hates oced memory

[maiden coyote]

Fix my internet please

[maiden coyote]

Just leave dustcap on, tape it and send it.

[jagged snow]

That's fast

[tough owl]

considering boost is 2581 id say so

wccftech.com/boeings-first-crewed-nasa-launch-delayed-due-to-last-minute-brainstorming/

oh the irony in the title

[stuck nebula]

Im doing the exact opposite with my 6950xt, underclocking+ undervolting it(since it already comes overclocked). Even at stock settings that beast draws 250W like its nothing

[twin dew]

Just the normal where their script only checks for the immediate link speeds.
And not the speed from their own network to general Internet.

[jagged snow]

It's checking bandwidth to their nearest server instead of throughout to the wider Internet
Which is problematic

[sage pier]

Yeah I did that

[twin dew]

Because the point is to NOT acknowledge their peering point connections are way over capacity.

[sage pier]

I said

I have identified its server specific and bad interstate and intercountry connection. When I run a speed test it automatically goes to sumofiber. You guys might not be directly connected to but it looks like it on sites like inmyarea.com. But if I go to any other fiber server it dips down to 700 down and up.

When I try a speedtest in my area it shows 940 mbps up and down but if I switch it to Salt Lake it drops to 800 up and down. It's even worse when I do Washington state, California, or Washington DC. I get 160 down and 80 up. California, Washington, or Washington Dc are where most of the download servers are located.

I have a TP-Link ER605 V2 router with the eero pod plugged into the er605. The tp link router is for my ethernet devices and eero router is so I can have wifi in my house.

I have also had an issue if there are more than 2 devices watching youtube a third device on zoom will be very stuttery and sometimes freeze for a couple seconds.

[twin dew]

Because they know the interconnects are way oversubscribed if their engineering department isn't full of complete idiots, as it is stat the devices in those points tell, and what the other sides people will also tell.
But upgrading costs money both in immediate costs for more hardware, and as more usage costs from renting more space in the peering data centers, and probably more money spent paying the upstream "higher" tier ISPs for the higher amount of traffic that is now possible (that you customers are paying for).
Leading to less profit.

Industry standard would be to upgrade the interconnects when usage hits about 80% of the capacity IIRC.
But that isn't happening by design in USA, as the ISPs are cheapscating as they know the customers don't have alternatives.

[sage pier]

Yeah I've only ever used quantam fiber but quantam fiber maybe utopia fiber, and at&t seem like actual good fiber isps

Its dumb as I don't even have a dsl alternative its either tds or some satellite service that charges 100 bucks a month for 25 Mbps down 5 up or some shit like that

[sage pier]

If I do downgrade to 540 Mbps will that downgrade my interstate connection? Will I still get 160 down 80 up?

[twin dew]

The real speeds should be the same.

Which is why I recommended doing that and specifying their crap interconnects to rest of the Internet as the cause.

Because only way to get them to care is for it to hit their revenue.

[sage pier]

If I upgrade to 2gb will that change anything? lol

[twin dew]

Almost certainly not.

[sage pier]

Its weird there was this small file 2gb and it held 65 megabytes a second for the entire download

But on 15gb files it will stay like that for 3 to 5 seconds then go down to 10 or 20

[twin dew]

Short start boost priorization to the traffic, to make browsing seem quicker.

So they are absolutely aware of the crappy interconnects and are hiding it with stuff like that.

And that crap WILL stay in place at least until this process is done, and possibly even after that:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/10/fcc-moves-ahead-with-title-ii-net-neutrality-rules-in-3-2-party-line-vote/

Ah, in theory in force already.

But as in this case everything not in ISPs network seems to suck, and that initial connection priorization is probably general, that probably won't help.

[jagged snow]

The broadband "nutrition labels" have already rolled out and as I've been hunting for a new internet plan I'm a massive fan

FCC ftw recently

[visual tree]

Was thinking of this. I should probably attach a pulling wire or rope along the fiber jacket (was thinking of a 20 cm distance) and wrap the fiber and rope with a tape

In theory, the longer the wrap, the tension will be spread evenly along the fiber cable

[cyan crescent]

Is the cooler on the nzxt h1 able to handle a ryzen 9 7950x3d?

[jagged snow]

No

You don't put a 7950x3d in a sff build unless you really want to handicap it

[cyan crescent]

What about the 7900x3d?

[jagged snow]

no

You might be able to get away with the 7800x3d

That's probably your safest bet

And if it's a gaming-only build, that's the one you probably want to go with anyways

[cyan crescent]

Its not like im going to be putting it at 100% load all the time.

[twin dew]

So 140mm single-fan AIO...

[jagged snow]

Yeah

All the zen 4 x3d chips will draw over 100 watts under an intense gaming load

[twin dew]

7800X3D doesn't?
That 120W "TDP" is very aspirational for it.

[sage pier]

I got mine but they use that synthetic benchmark on the best server so it still says 940 up and down :/

[jagged snow]

IIRC I saw 105w average in some games?

You actually have one though, what's your experience with it been?

[sage pier]

iirc its like 110 tdp but only hits like 70 at the absolute max in games

[sage pier]

Do you think business fiber has better priority?

[twin dew]

Mostly been 85W or under in stress tests, Linpack can hit 108W in some parts of the test.

[cyan crescent]

Well im going to put some servers on it eventually. The case might get changed out later on.

[twin dew]

At stock, not undervolted.

Haven't looked in games, moment.

[jagged snow]

In that case, might be able to just get away with that cooler if they're all right with absolutely blasting the fan

This appears much better than I thought it was

[edgy hazel]

ayo a 7900xtx should fit into a 2k USD budget right?

[jagged snow]

Didn't list what gpu/mem that was tested with but I'm assuming it was reasonable

[cyan crescent]

Gamers nexus did a video and you dont loose that much performance for the drop in power you get when going 105w eco on 7950x3d

[twin dew]

And that seems to be measured from the cables, so before VRM losses.

That "Physical measurement" part.

[jagged snow]

Seems that way to me too

[jagged snow]

It'd be tight
They're selling for about a grand in the US, stock is super low

7900xt goes for under 750, you could probably get away with that

[cyan crescent]

I got a 7900XTX and its beautiful

[edgy hazel]

yeah currently trying to find what we could salvage like case, fans, ssds and stuff

[twin dew]

45W or so PPT in Subnautica in early game.
Loading big Satisfactory save right now.

[jagged snow]

The price slashed 4080 might be a better value if you can find it cheap enough

[edgy hazel]

friend is upgrading from a 1080ti

[sage pier]

Do you think their "business fiber" would give me their rated speeds or is it the same bullshit

[twin dew]

Depends.

Might get priorized out of their network, might not.

[jagged snow]

Did nvidia slash production on the non-super 4080?

Seems like they dropped the price and then killed stock

[sage pier]

How do I tell without getting it? Or do I just not have any way to know

[twin dew]

As it is the same chip, almost certainly.

[sage pier]

yeah they're not making 4080 anymore just 4080 super

[twin dew]

By asking the ISPs business sales people?

[jagged snow]

Did they completely kill it? That would be the most quintessential nvidia move I've ever seen

Oh, this card is overpriced and we need to drop it relative to our more expensive model... or we can just stop making it

That leaves that stupid 4070ti super as your option in that price bracket

[twin dew]

55W PPT in Taros Satisfactory save.

[jagged snow]

7800xt would definitely be safe with that cooler then

[twin dew]

~50W PPT in Jedi Survivor.

[sage pier]

In their nutrition labels it says typical download speeds 938 Mbps and upload speeds 943 Mbps

could they get in trouble for that?

[jagged snow]

yes

As long as the fcc gets on top of it in a reasonable timeframe

Sometimes it'll take them decades to levy fines against a company because they have to fight it out in the legal system

[twin dew]

The order doesn't tell how to measure that speed.
So the speed from consumer to their own test servers probably currently fullfills the requirement.

And there is try to develop actual rules for that too, but way in future.

FCC has mobile speedtest app to contest mobile network speeds and coverage.
But nothing for broadband I can quickly find.

Because with mobile and cable internet, you can easily get so much oversubscription that even the consumer to ISP link is way slower than the sold speed.
And with ADSL/VDSL, the actual cable quality etc. can cause bad speeds.
With fiber, it is trivial to get great speeds to the ISP, but still fail later.
But to prove it is the ISPs fault, and not fault in some later network is hard.

[sage pier]

So does that mean at the current moment I can't complain to the fcc?

[twin dew]

You can, but probably won't lead to anything even in the long run.

Might end up as part of reason why FCC might try to do more comprehensive rulemakings for the interconnect speeds part.
If Democrats can keep the "power", as next Republican led FCC will almost certainly again try to remove the Net Neutrality rules.

[charred pewter]

whatever can pad my 1%'r friends pockets!

[sage pier]

could this be the problem?

I don't think I have traffic control

enabled

[twin dew]

Anything on your end would limit even the speed you get to the closest test server.

[sage pier]

ah ok yeah that makes sense

[jagged snow]

So frustrating
Both parties make bad calls but I wish that there wasn't so much time spent undoing legislation that was already passed

[twin dew]

And now both parties are putting very bad presidential candidates forward...
Republicans because they have been captured.
Democrats because they haven't bothered to foster any real new blood for 20+ years to country wide races...

[sage pier]

bro

it was an fcc.gov site

[twin dew]

Just remove the protocol.
There is very limited whitelist on the server.

[sage pier]

there are 1,021 support tickets to the fcc.gov just for tds not giving them the rated speeds

[jagged snow]

Yup, the two party system is starting to do less and less for the county
Most Americans just feel like they're choosing the lesser of two evils at this point

When both of our candidates are well into their 80s it's definitely suboptimal

[twin dew]

Natural end result of any first-past-the-poll voting.

Hopefully GOP fractures, and after that there MIGHT be chance for USA to have election system overhaul.

Or could in theory also happen via low level takeover of Democrats to do overhaul of their Primaries.

That happening inside GOP at this time is way lower chance.

[sharp oasis]

Too bad it was nowhere near stable

[jagged snow]

Gop does a lot of stuff that I agree with, at least in theory
The problem is that they just love to go backwards and often stuff is mismanaged or poorly implemented
Although I suppose that goes for both parties

[twin dew]

GOP is dead, only MAGA remains.

Trump family took direct control of it in the last 6 months.

For the national level GOP.

Several of the state level sub-GOPs are basically bankcrupt as all the donations are going to Trump and not to the state level entities.

And lot of the sitting older moderate republicans have AFAIK stated that they will not be seeking re-election once their current terms run out.

[twin dew]

Which was why I was hoping that the non-MAGA part of GOP would have split away, instead of just going away.

[obtuse geyser]

Are you talking cpu or custom gpu cooler here?
AMD just release 7900 GRE in global markets, which is a slightly cut-down 7900 for a price of 7800 xt. wattage also almost the same.

[jagged snow]

Was talking cpu, meant to say 7800x3d

[obtuse geyser]

In regards to cpu, you will be actually limited by what your mb allows in terms on wattage.
95TDP board = 95W from cpu max + whatever the loses on board vrm module is (vrm doesnt count for heatsink, but still contributes to case).
You can 'override' the tdp limit on ryzen cpu and run 65W chip at 90W max power if I recall correctly.
X3D cpu are not supposed to be overclockable in this way, but again, MSI did not get the memo 😂
As long as your board has enough wattage, cpu might be able to use it. You will be limited by your ability to remove heat and internal resistance of IHS.

[jagged snow]

Well... not exactly?

[sand saddle]

Afaik they unlocked all their x3d for overclocking, at least PBO and CO

[obtuse geyser]

Maybe for newer chips. 5800X3D was supposed to be locked out of PBO.

[sand saddle]

Bios updates are a thing

[obtuse geyser]

well yes, my mb has bios that re-enables these options.

[languid gulch]

wait, are you telling me that it's possible to make a cpu that will stop itself from melting? does intel know about this?

[obtuse geyser]

Oh, it still has a 90C internal limit for thermal throttling.

[languid gulch]

🤣

[obtuse geyser]

From what I gather the PBO works like this:
If <90 C
Step on gas.
If >90C
Stop boosteing.

Sadly my cpu is limited by IHS resistance, even with 200W tdp cooler hits 90C easily

[sand saddle]

I used a simple program or whatever than runs on startup to enable -30 all core undervolt on my 5800x3d before PBO became available in bios.

[obtuse geyser]

MSI added that day one as 'combo strike' option in their bios.

[sand saddle]

Coolers claiming their TDP is pretty bs.

[obtuse geyser]

well, it weights over half kilo, so definitely has more than 100W capacity

[sand saddle]

Combo strike isn't 1:1 curve optimizer tho

Simple program, tho pretty sure if I download the latest bios I wouldn't need this anymore

[obtuse geyser]

I saw curve optimizer in bios options, but too lazy to play with that so just went with combo strike

4.25ghz is fine.

[sand saddle]

Also iirc CO limit of 30 increased to 50

[obtuse geyser]

you still have to spend time manually optimizing to find where it looses stability, yes?

[sand saddle]

Yes, combo strike isn't foolproof either lmao

And form of overclocking has the potential for instability

My chip took -30 all core no problem, which was the max I was able to do at the time.

Didn't bother with it further

[obtuse geyser]

if this was the olde times, we just kept increasing clock until it became unstable, then raised voltage a bit, rinse repeat until thermal limit, set as constant, done. Now we have to play with frequency scaling.

I turned combo strike on, level 3 means -30 I think, was 1h stable in prime, thats all I need.

[tough owl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3DwhTc7Z4o

[charred pewter]

we are confused how a company can be soe blatantly shit

[languid gulch]

can't wait for the retraction (if it happens) to blame some of the statements on AI

[maiden coyote]

just tape it carefully, and untape it carefully.. I think that's probably the most dangerous part of it as far as bending goes. it's both fragile, and not fragile at the same time

[stuck nebula]

I wonder if they are going to implement frame generation with 1.0 or moving forward. I don't know how exactly they would solve the animation problem on moving stuff since the fps on moving objects is distance related. But it could help to add some extra fps for a smoother gameplay since GPU utilization is so low even with GI.

[wanton orchid]

twisted take :
shut the door locked then get the whole storage down carefully
only then open it

[jagged snow]

Most cabinets can't be unmounted without opening them

[stuck nebula]

better solution that requires a decision:
A)Open the door, try to catch the plates, some of them may break
B)Break the glass from right side and catch the plates.
C) Break both

[sage pier]

@twin dew tiny update because I have my own router they won't touch anything so they can't really help me if there is a problem :/

but still not the problem

[winged valley]

Hmmm, 6 pin connector for speakers, GND, DET, L+, L-, R+,R-. The speaker assembly is 2 speakers (L, R), but interestingly the assembly only has 4 wires into the connector, R-, R+, GND, DET

Would this mean the speakers are actually running as "stereo but actually mono", or that the speakers have an IC in the first one on the line that determines which one should output

I think it's the second option, the line running into DET is labeled as SPK_ID

[twin dew]

Yes, very common.
The tech cannot do their internal checklist as he doesn't have remote access to the router.

And easy to blame the users device and not do anything.

[sage pier]

still have to wait till monday though for the support team to get back to me

[winged valley]

Idk about you guys but an audio IC should not be 60C

[twin dew]

Is there actual problem, or just opinion?

[winged valley]

Yeah the problem is no audio regardless of driver used

[twin dew]

Ok, then.

[winged valley]

I checked the external pins, several go to ground when only 1 should, couple that with no audio and the fact that an audio IC is getting hotter than the CPU in S5 state, I'd say it's dead

Also a 2W audio controller should never be reaching 60C anyways

[twin dew]

I didn't know the wattage those pull at this time.

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow I have manipulated a game engine into making lore accurate antimatter

If we try to put it in a container

It vanishes.

(me and a buddie)

If we leave it in a pile

The game engine doesn't do a value check

Thus allowing to to basically be at a superimposed value

But as soon as you pick it up

It either plunges your wallet (it's using ingame currency) a few billion in debt

Or that and then vanishes when you try to remove it

[mental oriole]

Read the data sheet, if you can read the IC component name. That way you can see it's specification, and determine if 60C is killing it or not. And how The R+, R- wire connection thing works.

Putting pins to ground, usually means they're not used, and enables a "different" behavior on the IC.

And to understand how the behavior is, you need the datasheet.

[languid gulch]

new tech emoji

[mental oriole]

[languid gulch]

thank Paul's Hardware for it

[mental oriole]

I rather not... that's cursed.

[jagged snow]

That's kinda awesome

[winged valley]

thanks

[winged valley]

Unfortunately the datasheet isn't publicly available, at least 30 minutes of searching can't find it. The closest model number is wildly different too

[twin dew]

Yeah, normal for Realtek.
And that kind of "OEM specific" codes for the chips.

[winged valley]

However I do have the schematic for the laptop and none of those lines should be going straight to ground

Also, chip reaching 60C in S5 just doesn't make sense period. Maybe a CPU, but otherwise nothing should be that hot when the device isn't even on

It would explain why the battery was draining too fast when off and why the nearby hinge was warm (while off)

[mental oriole]

Well it was worth a shot.

[winged valley]

Yeah

[winged valley]

@mental oriole I looked at datasheets for multiple "designed for Dell only" Realtek audio IC's, none of them specify an operating temperature range

They mention over-temperature circuits, but otherwise the closest thing to operating temperature listed is "operating ambient temperature" which is air temperature

Now, if the chip was supposed to operate at 60C in 21C room temp, then it probably wouldn't say the max ambient temperature was 85C

[pure karma]

D) Break Everything

[sharp oasis]

Lore accurate antimatter But unity engine. The only way it can exist ingame is in a state is superstition aka somewhere where the game does not check the value of the contents. And for this it's in a pouch on the ground.

If we put it in containers the game checks the item value.

And if (item value) <= 0

It just vanishes

As it's being observed

But for some reason putting it on the ground bypasses this check

Creating the antidink

(dinks is the in-game currency)

And this a game about farming and building a community

Me and the lads have made antimatter

Reason for it is the game does not handle or cap things to the 32bit integer limit. So overflow causes it to roll into the negatives

[soft bloom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCC19IS0_Zc

8:30

[sage pier]

@twin dew I forgot my router's password to get to that control panel. How do I find that again?

also how could I somehow by any means unlock the throttler?

(so I can get actual fiber speeds)

so I did whatsmyip.org/port-scanner/ and I did the four tests and every single application was timed out

which from my understanding means it throttles it?

I did a ping test and I have 100% packet loss

[languid gulch]

feels good to do some demo every once in a while

knocked out the center support, reinforced under the drawers, then punched a hole all the way into the corner. that cabinet corner was where stuff went to disappear & die, all because the builder went cheap & just stuck 2 standard cabinets together

countertop is a single piece, so the center support on the right wasn't really doing any supporting

[jagged snow]

Nice, looks good

[languid gulch]

need to do cleanup, but man just being able to knock that out felt good

the only way to get to that corner before was opening that door on the left and leaning in

[tough owl]

lightbulbs

[languid gulch]

🤣

i'm not doing RGB laundry room lighting

[tough owl]

im going to your house with the amount you have

[languid gulch]

oh that 🤣 did new fans around the entire house, & the kits all came with their own bulbs

also this was part of a "ok, the pantry & laundry room have gotten out of hand, time to take everything out & reorganize"

[winged valley]

You just gave me an idea dad will kill me for

[winged valley]

Dude jts like that sometimes

It just goes "fuck it im gonna do everything"

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow could i have vram not be present

and still have the gpu die function

im trying to figure out how to DIY a RTX3080TI 20gb

theres a bios for it

offical from nvidia

but i dont want to use the RTX3080 die

[jagged snow]

Uhh not really

[sharp oasis]

so could i make a concoction of 3080TI die 3080PCB

or what vram config would i need to somehow get 20gb

or could i put 24gb

and just have it adress 20

iirc there is no 24gb bios

[sharp oasis]

is this possible @jagged snow

[jagged snow]

Uhh in theory yes

This is beyond my knowledge of hardware design though

[sharp oasis]

fair

[languid gulch]

sounds like a mutant bios that'd want to torch itself

[twin dew]

Just reset it to the factory defaults and reconfigure?

[twin dew]

Because the router blocks incoming ICMP ping by default.

[twin dew]

Same for all incoming ports as with any NAT router.

[sharp oasis]

It's suprisingly been found in the wild

Those cards are rare asf but

They exsist and work great

[twin dew]

So no, the port scanners etc. timing out is to be expected.
Security feature that incoming connections from Internet, that weren't replies to traffic you started, are not replied to.

[languid gulch]

i wonder how a 12gb 6600XT would do

[twin dew]

@sage pier And again.
Any router config issues would affect this the same way no matter which server you tested / downloaded from.
Unless you had made specific config to throttle specific sources/destinations, which the router does allow to do, but that isn't on by default.

None of the QOS or Throttling features are on by default in that ER605.

[sharp oasis]

prolly pretty good

prolly pretty close to a 6700XT

tho its missing Cus

so it wouls still be slower

[sharp oasis]

So trying out the new android 15 dev preview

Its actually really good.

For a dev preview

Its really stable

[sharp oasis]

Also. Rocking the windows mobile-esque home screen.

No one can say it's not clean

[edgy hazel]

"No one can say it's not clean":

[sharp oasis]

More complete

I like it better then stock ui

It's prolly just me tho

[sharp oasis]

That is unacceptablely messy for my standards

I also am a major shill for the lumina 950XL and still have one. I love the ui

[edgy hazel]

Brother you just posted the most cluttered, overlaying mess of a screenshot and then had the gumption to say "No one can say it's not clean"
Powermoves tbh

[sharp oasis]

Oh come on

It's usable tbh

Like hyper usable

I like it way better then stock

And better then both oneui and ios

It's a love it or hate it ui

If you love it you love it.

If you hate it you hate it

[sharp oasis]

It's clean tho the tiles aren't bad

Reminds me of windows 10 mobile

[dire igloo]

The ui (the tiles) are nice but the background clashes horribly

Also not much of a thematic scheme going on, you'd have to know where everything is in order to find it

[sharp oasis]

If everything is translucent

I organized it has i did with. My old windows phone years back.

So the layout is extremely familiar to me

[glass panther]

re: #satisfactory message, how long would a system run if a heatsink was a literal potato?

[twin dew]

With current level temperature self-protections, you could get somewhat nicely baked potato probably while the system would also run like it was using a potato for power.

[gentle vine]

#satisfactory message
it has 40°C without satisfactory running
Which is still alot

[mental oriole]

[twin dew]

Not at all when idle.

Mine idles at around 60C, as it turns the fans completely off.

[gentle vine]

it even goes down to thirty something (38°C)

[gentle vine]

i suppose that you have a way "larger" and a better performing GPU than i have

[twin dew]

RX6600, so not really, 100W max power.

It is just that because of the monitors it idles at 16W, and the fans are off.
As the 60C is pretty low temperature for it.

[gentle vine]

where do i check my max Watt usage?

[glass panther]

that's fine

[twin dew]

Stuff like HWiNFO:
www.hwinfo.com/download/

[gentle vine]

38°C now

[twin dew]

Also AMD and Nvidia drivers both have such monitoring tools in them.

[glass panther]

re: gpu usage when playing, does your factory look like this? https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q="spaghett"

[gentle vine]

my max watt usage is at 75W

[twin dew]

That 0.1% usage in Task Manager is known issue with the Task Manager implementation for GPU monitoring.

For certain systems, or possibly for certain GPUs in all systems.

[mental oriole]

Thats still fine.

[glass panther]

the wonders of gpu instancing

[gentle vine]

what does that mean now?

[glass panther]

low gpu usage because factory highly repetitive

[gentle vine]

oh

sounds good to me though

but if i look at dropped items my fps go down to 17

[twin dew]

"stat unit" Satisfactory ingame command to see how much the game is taking per frame for CPU and GPU usage.

[gentle vine]

uhhh

where do i type it?

in satisfactory

[twin dew]

press the button above tab and left of 1, if you aren't using AZERTY or QWERTZ.

[gentle vine]

doesnt seem to work

[twin dew]

Then you are using keyboard layout that doesn't have single-press character associated with that key.
§, ~ or one other I don't remember.

So some central european keymap based on those two I mentioned.

[gentle vine]

doesnt work sadly

i have german "keymap"(idk)

[twin dew]

So QWERTZ.

[gentle vine]

i guess

[twin dew]

Those are what characters are in the top character row from left.

French use AZERTY, Germans use QWERTZ, rest of the world uses QWERTY in various flavors.

[gentle vine]

^ and °

[twin dew]

Not the number row...

The letters going right from TAB key.

[gentle vine]

qwertz ooohhh

now i get it

hahahahahahahaaha

[mental oriole]

My layot is

[twin dew]

And as you don't get any character when you press that top left key alone, it doesn't work to open the ingame console.

I get § when I just press it, as I'm on QWERTY in Nordic/FI flavor.

US layout would give ~, and so on.

In AZERTY and QWERTZ flavors you need at least two keys to get anything with that key.

Even if the second key is just space.

[sage pier]

If I do that it would lose internet because of the mac filter

Do you think a vpn could semi fix the problem?

or do you think its just so shit it has its own built in throttler

[twin dew]

If using the VPN made the connections take different route that isn't as congested.

Again, this is your ISP being cheapskate with peering connections.

[sage pier]

ok I might try a vpn. I've been wanting to try one for a while now because of the shows in different countries but haven't gotten around to it. But i guess it would be optimal to just have the vpn route back to my location with the poor interstate travel from my isp.

[twin dew]

Basically the VPN server would need to have fast route to you, and then take different route to rest of the Internet than your ISPs traffic takes.

[sage pier]

ah ok

[wanton orchid]

most "vpn" just are forward box

so it does not take an other route

it just relay it

[solemn perch]

Happy Fibre Noises

[sage pier]

😭

[solemn perch]

Finally cancelled virgin media

[twin dew]

He has 1000/1000 fiber, but the ISP is shitty and the connections OUT of the ISPs own network are crap.

[sage pier]

different server in the same city

even this is fake speeds because I can't get more than 20 MB/s

when actually downloading something

[twin dew]

Which would be about 200Mbps in the test.

[sage pier]

with short bursts of 65 MB/s

[solemn perch]

I accidentally did a speed test to Alabama and still in the 900's lol

[twin dew]

Yeah, depends if the ISP is keeping their peering points to rest of the Internet "up to date", or is cheapskate and doesn't upgrade those as needed.

[sage pier]

lucky 😭 mine will be 100-200 Mbps down 80-120 Mbps up

I don't really download stuff that often though

but the shitty thing about it is if one person is taking a call on a laptop the other is watching youtube another device can't use zoom without it freezing a lot

[solemn perch]

I just wanted to get away from virgin media and their price hikes practice where they use it as a stronghold to push you into another 18 month contract

[sage pier]

oof 18 months?

[solemn perch]

this new one is cheaper and 1Gbps up and down

Plus 30 day rolling due to a current offer they've had

[sage pier]

thats insane

[solemn perch]

so if it turns out ass I can just leave within 30 days

[sage pier]

I feel like if your isp offers a contract and its not true business fiber they're full of shit

[solemn perch]

Well considering I was chatting to the guys and it was going fine

also these full fibre providers actually are fine with you just plugging their fibre line directly into your own hardware if you want

[sage pier]

you have a godly fiber isp

[solemn perch]

So if I had a router with a fibre connector they'd just be like "Sure, here's the deets to connect it to our service"

I can even rent as many extra static IP's if I want, whether it's 1, 2 or 10

ah

yayzi .co.uk

That's who I went with

To be fair you don't have to plug directly into their fibre wire @sage pier

They do provide an opt with an ethernet connection out of it so you can just pass it directly to your own router via ethernet

[sage pier]

yeah I forgot what thats called its as nox or something I have the same thing so I can also use my own router (which I do) but they have mac filtering so its a lot harder than just plug and play

these prices are insanely cheap

[tough owl]

That’s like unheard of in America

2.3gig+ for 55? Is insane

[sage pier]

its like 60 for 1 gig fiber here

(then router renting and cost recovery fee) makes it 70-100 dollars a month usually

[twin dew]

I could get 1000/1000 for 45e per month.
But going with 50/50 for 8e per month.

[dire igloo]

Dang, gimme those deals.
I pay 40€ a month for 1000↓/50↑ via DOCSIS

And only get like 800 of that download speed at most

NL used to have some hacktivists create an ISP and provide excellent quality and service at a decent price.
They were bought out by the biggest local ISP sadly

[sage pier]

If only I lived in the uk

[charred pewter]

this is my isp's price to just 1 gb ... USD

which does NOT include all the shit they tack on ... like 'gateway rental' and 'call before you dig recovery fee' and then 'city/state tax'

so that 70/mo ends up as 90/mo

and on top of that, its 'introductory pricing' so it ALL doubles at the end of two years LOL

lol they need to fix their text labels:

it up down loads

[dire igloo]

I love that in Germany you have the right to use your own router

idk about other EU countries, but it's such an amazing law - and we get AVM Fritz!Box which is also dope

[solemn perch]

To be fair considering I'm sitting at a double NAT level, performance is pretty decent for me

[charred pewter]

we have the right to use our own router too.... BUT: We wont cover any issues or problems you have, and will not replace any hardware that fails.

so the $10/mo extra is basically "insurance so they do their fucking jobs"

but then im like ... whats the service fee for then?!

shouldnt the service fee like ... cover providing the damned service /!

which btw i just saw on this months bill ... next month they are raising that by $1 "to continue to provide top notch service"

and they raise the price of the router fee, because its a way they can get around the 'locked in service fee' prices ....

so they may gauruntee $50/mo for that service (for two years), but then just keep raising the router fee, the recovery fee, the tax fees LOL

vivalaamerica

[mental oriole]

Same in Sweden, you're free to use your own.

[solemn perch]

Can't complain lol

[visual tree]

We got router freedom here 5 months ago but there is an exception for fiber since some ISP's use router with integrated ONT

[winged valley]

Spot the problems with this

[gilded helm]

No price

[charred pewter]

pictures a mouse and keyboard, but doesnt describe them?

"compact" ... lol ...

[visual tree]

Speaking of mouse and keyboard, why is the mouse connected to the keyboard? lol

Must be some new kind of wireless keyboard with a mouse that's connected to the keyboard

[dire igloo]

i7 quad core, so 7700K at best
Love the detail on the cache but no info on GPU
no specification on the supported wifi standards either

at least we know the monitor has an 8ms response time

ngl, that's a pretty shitty advertisement
business people are overloaded with meaningless tech jargon, techy people lack info on the actual parts, everyday consumers get overloaded with meaningless tech jargon too

but that's probably intended - if you get a bunch of junk info, you lose track of what info you're actually after

[solemn perch]

I mean my Keyboard and Mouse is connected to the computer via my mousepad 🤷‍♂️

[dire igloo]

it's called a passthrough

[winged valley]

usb passthrough

damn fire beat me to it

[solemn perch]

it do be indeed but me burnt out today

[winged valley]

Could be 8th gen. Pretty sure 7th doesnt support ddr4

[dire igloo]

6700k was first to have DDR4, 8700K is six core

[winged valley]

oh nvm

also dont all of the 6thgen cpus have l3 cache

[dire igloo]

5775C was the last DDR3 i7

[visual tree]

Guess I've been living under a rock since I haven't seen a passthrough yet 😅

[winged valley]

corsair makes them

[dire igloo]

unless early Z170 also did DDR3 which I doubt it did