off-topic-tech

[tough owl]

probably trying to compete with apple and their satellite emergency service contacting thing

which I hope to never have to use but it is something that I can use

phone looks for satellite, phone establishes connection, sends important information needed to satellite with some fancy compression algorithm to save on bandwidth and time, then reaches out to local emergency services.

support.apple.com/en-us/HT213426

yea

[jagged snow]

It probably uses the same system that most of your standalone emergency satellite beacons use

[jagged snow]

Yup, so same network used by SPOT

[tough owl]

www.findmespot.com/en-us/ this thing?

[twin dew]

There are several older LEO communication satellite constellations.
Iridium was the first IIRC, and that Globalstar was the second IIRC.

[jagged snow]

Yup

[tough owl]

$250 sheesh

and thats the device alone, not even the service plan needed to operate it

[jagged snow]

I've almost bought one on many occasions

[tough owl]

i'll just keep using what my phone can do

likely works the same and similarly as well too

[twin dew]

Those prices are steal compared to the main pricing on either service.

[jagged snow]

As long as you're in an area with cell coverage

[tough owl]

my phone doesnt need cell coverage to do all that

[jagged snow]

Apple phones are communicating over the same network for the emergency stuff
This is a lot more capable, but not everyone needs it

[twin dew]

Everything but the specific Apple phone currently need coverage from SOME cellular network.

Just that for emergency calls, you can use ANY providers network, not just your own.

And don't even need SIM card.

[tough owl]

yea that part is nice

[jagged snow]

And it'd take several years of paying for SPOT to make up the price difference between my phone and an equivalent iphone

So that's a consideration as well

[tough owl]

I feel like you'd only need it if youre going into the middle of nowhere and want to communicate with someone else in the middle of no where while also wanting to contact emergency services

[jagged snow]

Want to communicate with anyone else really

But I spend quite a lot of time in areas with no cell coverage

I live in the middle of nowhere

[tough owl]

but if you have two people in the middle of nowhere wouldn't you just wanna use some high range radios?

[jagged snow]

Yup

[tough owl]

I can drive 30 minutes and be in the middle of no where 🤣

[jagged snow]

But if I want to do regular check-ins with someone back home, I'd need something like this

There's a 50-mile backpacking route that I've had planned out for a while and the entire thing has no cell coverage

[tough owl]

dsl or starlink 🤣

[jagged snow]

Satellite or DSL for a lot of people

My area recently installed fiber, which was an amazing leap

[tough owl]

some places are getting fiber but its slow and rare

[jagged snow]

Prior to that the highest avaliable speed was 16/2

[tough owl]

over dsl

[jagged snow]

Yup

[tough owl]

ouch

[jagged snow]

yup

[tough owl]

I know ive seen my grandparents in their house have two of those lines paired together to get "40/8"

[jagged snow]

Fiber gets you symmetrical gig for the same price, so it's not all bad

[tough owl]

for customers who want phone do they just now do voip?

[jagged snow]

You can

[tough owl]

or still use the dsl lines since they still are in place

[jagged snow]

My parents still had a traditional landline until about two years ago

[tough owl]

same with mine, only for home alarm reasons but that system isnt being paid for anymore/ exist

[jagged snow]

Yeah, IIRC they ditched it now since it wasn't seeing any use

[tough owl]

my grandparents still have dsl phone line

no idea why

luckily they got 5g home internet

so they don't have to use dsl for their home internet

[jagged snow]

I meant traditional as in ISDN as opposed to voip

[tough owl]

since they dont have coax to their house(its in a major city)

love incompetency

[charred pewter]

is this a joke?

google get up erly on the april fools nonsense? i mean seriously... PAY for recaptcha?

[twin dew]

They don't need it as model training tool anymore.
And are instead using the models to set the expected answers now.
Causing issues where the shit is just broken.

When the expected answers are just wrong.

One case about you needing to select a sign about traffic lights as actual traffic light has been going around for example.

[charred pewter]

heh!

it has a traffic light on the sign... that counts!

but yeah, we arnt going to pay for this shit if they start charging

hmm so according to that pricing model ... someone setting up a bot net to attempt hits on a site paying for enterprise.... every 1000 hits would cost them $1 ... hmmmmmm 🤔 i see this working well

google bots setup to attempts, so they bloat their own numbers 😄

its win win! "ship it!" - Google CEO

"what services have we been offering free? lets charge for them now" ...

next up: Pay 1 penny for your google search results

are we seeing the decline of an internet god? is the world doomed, because without google ... HOW WILL WE SURVIVE ?!?!?!

[sharp oasis]

A770 how's it looking in today's world

[jagged snow]

Like a solid option for 1080p gaming

[jagged snow]

@hybrid coral hardware reccomendations depend on a lot of things
What resolution will you play at?
What framerate will you target?
How large is your save?
What's your budget?

[paper stream]

Frame rate doesn't really matter cuz you can put it to Max and it only display the frame rate it can handle from the CPU and whatever else needs for the frame rate

Or Infinity I mean

I just saw your message whenever your graphics is on Max it can be difficult for your computer if it can't handle it

If you're on a budget then you're going to have to go with the settings that is good with your graphics and frame rate so yeah or else it can probably cause your computer to crash or be very bad gameplay

Like I keep mine Max or medium because I'm on Nvidia GeForce now because the thing can handle it

[hybrid coral]

So point to point
Resolution: Max, that's what I wish for
Framerate: just good enough to be Fluently
Save: I would start new, but I will eventually, when everything goes like I want, to the point of ultimate automation
Budget: for now I will stick with 1k-1.5k. So say with this budget, what are my options
And what budget do I need to get my wishes?

[jagged snow]

There is no such thing as max resolution

You can have max settings but resolution is mostly dependent on what display you want to use

[paper stream]

Well it just depends on what your computer can handle you will have to test out resolutions and see where your computer does and see which ones are the best for you

[jagged snow]

We are talking about building a new computer here

[paper stream]

Graphic settings

Building a new computer it just depends on what graphics card and cpu you get

[thorn granite]

can i get help wiht a sevrer

[hybrid coral]

Oh, I use a TV and I hope that I don't need to buy a desktop for that💀😂

[jagged snow]

Yes, that is the entire point of this discussion and you're very clearly misunderstanding it

[jagged snow]

#dedicated-servers

[jagged snow]

Do you want to use your new PC with your TV?

[paper stream]

Well a lot of the CPUs are expensive how many hertz do you want

[hybrid coral]

I use it with littlery anything I own. Ps5, ps4, switch, wii u

[paper stream]

Do you know what the minimum CPU requirement needed for the game I forgot

[river mountain]

i5-3570 or equivalent

[jagged snow]

So if you want to build a pc to play satis using that tv, you'll likely just want to aim for something that can exceed its refresh rate by a small margin at whatever resolution the display is, unless you're planning to upgrade the tv or switch to a monitor in the near future.

What TV is it?

[paper stream]

If you want to go for a decent performance CPU i7 would be best for now then upgrade it to whatever you want in the future and the series is for i7 I don't know which one is best for that type of gaming

[hybrid coral]

A Samsung smart TV
Don't know wich model exactly, my TV remote is scrap😅

[jagged snow]

Please stop trying to provide advice on a topic you clearly don't understand

[jagged snow]

You mean the remote is broken?

[hybrid coral]

Yeah

[jagged snow]

Do you know what resolution the tv is?

[paper stream]

Most of the Samsung remotes are universal just have to get a new remote for it unless it's older in which I don't know when they added it

[hybrid coral]

I just know that is doesn't support HDDr or whatever it's called
But it can get 4k, I'm sure about that

[jagged snow]

Are you willing to buy your parts used?

That's typically what I reccomend if you're on a budget, but a lot of people aren't comfortable with that

[hybrid coral]

I can use my mobile phone to control it
But that's not a sulution for me😅

[jagged snow]

Oh, if that's the case you can just go to the about section in settings to see the info on the tv

[paper stream]

If you still have a PS4 make sure it's plugged up to that pacific TV go to settings and see what the max resolution is

That's the best way to find out it's resolution capabilities without searching up the model

[hybrid coral]

Yeah, probably not

[jagged snow]

If that's the case, it'll be a little tough to do 4k60 at high/ultra on a 1500 dollar budget

[hybrid coral]

Yeah thanks I got that
Here it stands 2160p

[paper stream]

Only problem is if you want 4K your computer also has to support it and also have 2.1 connection for like HDMI

[hybrid coral]

On what do I need to look exactly on buying that stuff?

[hybrid coral]

It has 2.1 hdmi

[edgy hazel]

we're cooking with gas now

[jagged snow]

You'd want to look for something like a 7700xt and a 13600 w/ 32gb ram at minimum

That system would likely put you right around 1500usd

[paper stream]

If you're building a tower PC most likely not have a DisplayPort then you will have to get a display to HDMI

[jagged snow]

Modern gpus have both hdmi and displayport outputs

[twin dew]

3 DP + 1 HDMI or 2+2 are common.

[hybrid coral]

Will save it, when looking for it👍🏻

[paper stream]

It depends on the year that the TV was made

[jagged snow]

I'm throwing together a quick parts list, I'll send that over in a second

Do you prefer ddr5 memory or are you okay with ddr4?

[paper stream]

Look on the back of your TV and see if you have a DisplayPort

[hybrid coral]

U can DM me that, no problem for me😅

[jagged snow]

ddr5 will give you a small performance uplift in satis but I don't have any particular numbers for how significant the improvment actually is

[hybrid coral]

Whats better? I guess ddr5 right?

[jagged snow]

ddr5 will give a slight performance increase but also a bump in cost

[hybrid coral]

Yeah okay DDR5 is alright

[paper stream]

And then down the line if your motherboard can handle it you can upgrade to ddr6

[jagged snow]

That is not possible

[hybrid coral]

How does it look like?

[jagged snow]

every revision of ddr dimms uses a different slot layout

[paper stream]

To be honest I do not know because I have never saw a ddr6 ram stick

[twin dew]

Very close to HDMI, but just one corner cut.

[paper stream]

I know they're most recent 2024 but I have never seen them I'm getting a computer that has it in November so I have to take the back off and check

[jagged snow]

It doesn't matter, as long as you have an open hdmi port

[jagged snow]

ddr6 does not exist

[hybrid coral]

Yeah that's not the problem😅👍🏻

[jagged snow]

You're absolutely sure you want ddr5?
I'll just make two options

[hybrid coral]

Can u DM me?

Okay thx

[paper stream]

Ddr6 RAM does exist but it's in testing right now

[winged valley]

Oh boy time to replace a 0201 resistor on a macbook sure hope it turns on after this (i hate macbooks)

[paper stream]

Goodluck

That's why I don't like MacBooks because of how stressful they are to repair

[sharp oasis]

Looks okay for 1440p

I find it rather disappointing that Intel doesn't live up to the theoretical pref. As that A770 would be a monster if it could get to the theoretical pref in tpu

[gilded helm]

https://arstechnica.com/reviews/2024/01/canon-plans-to-disrupt-chipmaking-with-low-cost-stamp-machine/

[languid gulch]

i'm hoping Battle Mage ARC is one of those things like 2nd gen ryzen where everyone looked at it & went "huh, they might actually have something here"

[gilded helm]

MLID posted modest die sizes on TSMC N5 of some sort for Battlemage. Obviously nothing is certain, but that probably limits it to $400 products?

[sharp oasis]

In theory what the A770 should have been able to do

The pixel and texture rate are that of much higher power gpus

[jagged snow]

It wasn't bad at all for a new entry into the desktop gaming gpu market

[languid gulch]

or maybe intel doesn't do something like try to compete with high end stuff, but makes non-RT decent low/midrange stuff for cheap. they have enough cash on hand to run in the red on GPUs for years to establish themselves

[jagged snow]

I'm just hoping they can iterate

[sharp oasis]

I hope so tpo

Too

[twin dew]

Those just tell at what resolution etc. it will bottleneck from the fixed function hardware, and not the shader performance.

[gilded helm]

Mostly Intel needs performance that tracks with the silicon used.

[languid gulch]

they could have a really good start in the "better than an iGPU, sub-$200" category if they wanted to

[jagged snow]

Yeah, the dies on current gen were insanely large

[gilded helm]

Dies the size of the A770 at that price aren't sustainable.

[twin dew]

That FP32 is the theoretical shader hardware performance.
The pixel and texture rates just need to be high enough.

[jagged snow]

I think current amd apus have kinda killed that catergory unless intel can get some amazing price to performance in that range

[sharp oasis]

I assume that's probably gone up with better drivers overtime

[gilded helm]

I don't think anyone wants to make sub $200 GPUs, even Intel.

[twin dew]

The real performance goes up, and gets closer to that theoretical one.

[sharp oasis]

Ahh

[twin dew]

That is calculated from the frequency and amount of execution units, and what work each of those can do in a cycle.

[languid gulch]

maybe if they did something like churn out a ton of stuff that'd' compete with the 6600XT but charge $175

[sharp oasis]

I was looking at a A750 for a freind

They dont do too high end gaming but want some games at 1440p

The A770 in Canada is double the price

[languid gulch]

i definitely agree that arc still isn't "for the masses" yet, given its issues, but maybe next gen or the one after that

[sharp oasis]

I really hope it does

[languid gulch]

same, i want a 3rd competitor, if only to scare the shit out of AMD & Nvidia

[sharp oasis]

I want a 3rd competitor for around the same reasons.

I doubt Nvidia will care a lot

But amd Def will

[gilded helm]

I can see someone gunning for a profitable GPU at $250 on some sort of cost optimized N5/N4. It could even be pretty good with GDDR7 and a 128 bit bus, because even though you're limited to 4 VRAM chips, 3GB and 4GB chips are coming. But I don't know that anyone would be willing to go less than that on a worthwhile product. Not until TSMC comes out with some sort of cost optimized N3 family product.

More specifically, in the next couple years, the best you can probably hope for is 4060 Ti performance for $250. I'd be on 12GB of VRAM, but maybe 16GB.

[jagged snow]

Canon recently released an alternative process to ESL that's supposed to be an order of magnitude cheaper for 5n

So it might be possible that we see a massive drop in cost for chips on older nodes down the road

https://arstechnica.com/reviews/2024/01/canon-plans-to-disrupt-chipmaking-with-low-cost-stamp-machine/

[gilded helm]

My hope is that new competitors drop the cost and increase the accessibility of all the ICs used in home electronics and audio stuff. So instead of looking for the exact tiny DAC that I have in mind, I could just have someone build me one more easily.

Also, $3 and $4 mic sounding okay!

The cables that came with them are hilariously bad, though. Now I know what a bad cable really is.

[gilded helm]

Is the Framework 16 the first device to support USB-PD 240W?

[jagged snow]

Its the first one I know of for sure

[gilded helm]

It doesn't look like there's a 240W adapter using USB-C available from either Framework or anybody else, though?

[wooden vessel]

anybody here know anything at all about linux LVM

all i have learned is to not f'n use it

[white kraken]

its quite handy

if you need flexible filesystem growing accross multiple disks, its the standard to use.

[jagged snow]

Framework supplies a 180w charger

[gilded helm]

Yep, I think that's as high as USB-C functionally goes, for now.

I think everything else is still at 140W max

www.ugreen.com/products/ugreen-300w-desktop-usb-c-gan-charger?variant=40359894515774

Stuff like that exists, but only 140W from one port.

[jagged snow]

Yup

Mostly because of port longevity concerns afaik

[gilded helm]

And I believe it. USB-A is still the only port that I feel holds up over time.

(of USB)

[jagged snow]

That tends to happen as you get smaller

Usb-b is pretty good as well

Type c is the most durable out of any of the small ports that I've seen

[gilded helm]

I see audio people insisting USB-C adoption is bad because of longevity, but I find USB-B of all sizes to be just as bad.

[jagged snow]

I've seen lots of usb-b midi ports be the first thing that dies on a keyboard

[gilded helm]

Full sized B is the worst of the bunch, oddly enough, in my experience.

[jagged snow]

The real solution is just to have two ports if longevity is a concern

But usb-c on my phone has held up much better than I expected it to when they first started rolling the connector out

At least one connect/disconnect every day on a phone that's now three years old and it's doing pretty well

[gilded helm]

Laptops need great design to hold up well, because slight mobo movement is more likely.

[gilded helm]

As much as I want to like the Framework 16, it just doesn't land its concept well enough, let alone at a reasonable price. There are too many compromises, and too many laptops that are better for half the price or less.

[maiden coyote]

I want to do this to my deck so bad.. but not bad enough to actually do it

[tough owl]

yup, apple only supplies 140w brick, its also THICC

which is the largest i think ive seen besides framework, I wish theirs was multiport

[gilded helm]

The Apple 140W isn't much bigger than the smallest 140W that exists, as far as I'm aware. I'm impressed with the size of the 100W Anker charger I have, though.

www.anker.com/products/a2343-100w-usb-c-charger

[tough owl]

I think if the brick is 65W or higher it should be multiport

[tough owl]

I can't buy anker anymore after their eufy shenanigans

[gilded helm]

I also have one of these coming

www.ugreen.com/products/ugreen-130w-usb-c-car-charger?variant=39964081029182

[tough owl]

it can do 130w through a single port?

oh, only 100w

[gilded helm]

There are a few AMazon reviews that claim it can't sustain that, so I'll test.

[tough owl]

the cars auxillary port is already dc right?

[gilded helm]

Yep.

Ultimately I won't care as long as it can sustain 65W or so.

[tough owl]

so no weird power conversion needed, just step down the voltage to whatever usbc PD requires

[gilded helm]

As a plus, some of the reviews specifically mention it's fine in a 12v, not 24v like you only find in trucks I think?

Now that Tesla is going 48v, I wonder if we'll see 240W USB-PD?

[jagged snow]

24v is common in big trucks and sometimes in RVs

[tough owl]

why is tesla going 48v?

[gilded helm]

Because they control enough of their supply chain that they can. It'll save money on wiring.

When I bought my Bolt the people at the dealer were actually commenting enviously about it.

(after I started talking shit about the Cybertruck)

[tough owl]

Yea that is true, so all of what used to run on 12v will not run on 48v?

[gilded helm]

There's basically no reason to not go 48v in PCs, cars, and anything else that uses so much power. But it's supply chain momentum.

[jagged snow]

There will still be an accessory port for 12v

But all the of the car's electronics will use 48v

[jagged snow]

In computing, that's not necessarily true
It's easier convert from 12v to 1v, you just need 4x the current on the 12v rail

[tough owl]

Weird

I mean if they see the benefit for doing it be my guest

I dunno if its just me but all new EVs look really dumb

[jagged snow]

Really it just means that they can downsize the conductors pretty significantly and save a few dollars for each vehicle

[jagged snow]

They really do
Some of it's for aerodynamics, but that's because they're trying to take a regular car shape and make it really really aerodynamic
We'd be much better off to drop the pretense that it's a gasoline car and design it from the ground up

Or(and this is crazy)

We could stop trying to go straight to EVs and use plug-in-hybrids that are literally the best of both worlds with very few downsides

I just got beta access for Arc browser

Although I really doubt that I'll even install it

[gilded helm]

The stupid look of a lot of EVs definitely narrows my search immediately, as I consider my Bolt's replacement as soon as next year.

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow

Should have warmed it up before hand

[jagged snow]

It happens 🤷‍♂️

That is one reason that LGA sockets can be a little safer though

Also, what paste is that?

[winged valley]

Mfw my boss keeps telling me my store (and sometimes literally myself) is too slow and isn't turning out jobs fast enough meanwhile I look at ticket history and his store almost only gets "help my laptop needs a new screen" meanwhile my store mostly gets stuff like "hey here's this broken flash drive btw you have to do pad reconstruction for 2 of the pads have fun"

Like honestly how do you expect me to keep pace with your store when our job types are wildly different (not to mention, I am nowhere near an expert when it comes to reworking and I am developing my skills on the fly)

Sorry for the rant dont mind me

[winged valley]

Super common with PGA CPU's, just make sure no pins are bent and you'll be fine

[sharp oasis]

None were bent

[sharp oasis]

MX4

[winged valley]

MX4 is cool

I think MX5 is out now isn't it?

[jagged snow]

Hydronaut all the way 💪

[sharp oasis]

Ran out

Would have used it tho

[jagged snow]

I ran into some sticky thermal paste on some old netburst-era systems I dissasembled a while back

[sharp oasis]

Dry dry dry?

[jagged snow]

Yeah, incredibly so

Even once the chip came off with the cooler I had to use PLIERS and isopropyl to soften it up

I figure the stuff is over 20 years old at this point though

So I have to give it a little bit of grace

[sharp oasis]

Sheesh

[winged valley]

Dont pry it twist it

[jagged snow]

Yeah, that's what I was doing
The pliers were a pair of knipex so I could grab it from the edges and employ more twisting force

I've worked with PGA enough to know that

Usually you can just twist the cooler while the chip is still in the socket and pop it loose, but that didn't work out in this case

[winged valley]

rip

[jagged snow]

Yup

I'm pretty sure the chips survived, but I haven't had the inclination to test them

[stray badger]

i think we on mx6 now

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow i got a good mobo for cpu ocs. Nice. Apparently the B550 A pro from msi has some nice vrms on it.

[jagged snow]

Neato

[sharp oasis]

Tho. No usb4 or thunderbolt. But who needs it

Also

It reads pump temp

As well as Pcie temp and cpu socket temp

[languid gulch]

i'd love to see someone just screw around a bit & have nothing but TB4 connecting everything inside a case

[gilded helm]

Is it four types of USB B?

I have the insane thought of buying one of those splitters that starts with a USB-A or USB-C on one end, then splits to four micro USB or whatever. Then gluing adapters for the other types of USB-B. So that I can have one type of USB-B cable. I'm not going to, but the fact that this insane idea is even crossing my mind is a testament to the madness of USB development that those all exist.

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow looks like I get to do the fun part of completely tearing apart my pc again :/

[jagged snow]

Oh, what'd you do now?

[sharp oasis]

Bios update failed

[jagged snow]

[sharp oasis]

Aaaaand. I have flashback.

[jagged snow]

Oh, what's the problem then

[sharp oasis]

Just. Idk if the flash was successful or not.

As it is refusing to post

Shows cpu light

[jagged snow]

You done a full power cycle?

[sharp oasis]

Mhm

[jagged snow]

And cleared cmos?

[sharp oasis]

Yep

[jagged snow]

yup, sounds like a cpu/mem reseat

[sharp oasis]

Already done

[jagged snow]

then try flashing again

[sharp oasis]

I'll try reflashing

[jagged snow]

Do you have an igpu?

[sharp oasis]

Upgraded to a 5900X so no

[jagged snow]

Oh I didn't catch taht

Sick

[sharp oasis]

My old cpu didn't have an IGpU anyway

Lil 5600

[jagged snow]

Man, a pretty high-end system is a lot cheaper than it was two years ago This would be more or less your fast-as-possible option for satisfactory, if you were so inclined https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6BCvvj

I could probably get that under 1400 if I were to do it as an upgrade for myself

Since I buy used

[sharp oasis]

The 5900X is a good median for what I need. I need a bit more core pref without going AM5. Or X3D

[jagged snow]

good stuff

[sharp oasis]

Bugger tho. One bios update using msi center as an experiment borked the bios.

Welp learned do not use msi center for bios updates

[winged valley]

Rip

Does your board have a flashback feature?

If not, you need to buy a CH341A tool and reflash the rom chip with the bin file of a compatible bios

If you're lucky, you'll be able to do it with just the clips and no soldering

Also, make sure you research which tool you get, because while most of them look the same, some sellers/manufacturers use a defective design that requires modification in order to send the correct voltage to the chip

[twin dew]

Remember that the flashback needs FAT formatted stick, and the file to be named exactly right.
The default name isn't what is needed.

exFAT or NTFS etc. don't work.

[sharp oasis]

Bios flashback specified FAT16/32 and the file renamed to MSI.rom

It seems it was successful in flashing

But it appears I probably have to reseat everything

[twin dew]

Ok, wasn't sure if you succeeded or not.

RAM unsuprisingly didn't like tREFI 45000 @ 6000MT/s when the RAM was at 75-78C.

Default tREFI is 11677 for that speed.

[sharp oasis]

As it's not posting but it's showing diagnostic lights. And I'd assume if the bios is broke there would be no diagnostic lights like how it was before the flashback

[twin dew]

Wouldn't start flashing if that wasn't right.

[sharp oasis]

Could just be it for some reason can't recognize memory or cpu or both bc I flashed with them in.

[twin dew]

So the flashing status light would show the problem.

[sharp oasis]

Flashing status light ran for a wile and then shut off

So I got it right

So it's just a remount

[twin dew]

Yeah, just mentioned as it wasn't completely clear, and those two have been causing issues when people don't read the full instructions.

[sharp oasis]

I did read full instructions. And checked online as well. It appeaes to have fixed the board bios.

Still funny msi software broke msi bios.

[twin dew]

And Embracer has by reports cancelled the development of next Deus Ex, and laid the developers off.

Embracer embraced too fast and is now killing and killing instead...

Just to keep to profit targets.
Not to stay alive.

[twin dew]

But that default tREFI is 3.9us.
Trying if 30k works, which is 10us.
In theory default tREFI should be 7.8us when RAM is below 85C, but this board doesn't seem to do dynamic switching.

That 45k which was 15us doesn't work at high RAM temp.

[twin dew]

Ingenuity made its last flight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIrX6gpUxyw

[twin dew]

How is Edge more evil than normal Chrome?

[edgy hazel]

Sorry

[wide void]

Hype!!

[dire igloo]

Why Waterwolf?

[edgy hazel]

[lavish ice]

Never heard of waterwolf. Opera is not a Browser lmao it's Spyware

[wide void]

aren't they all to a greater or lesser degree, lol

[dire igloo]

Nah, Firefox ain't. idk about Firefox derivatives tho

[edgy hazel]

Waterwolf is the evil version of Firefox

And it's also made up. You know.. for the joke...

[lavish ice]

I use Firefox for the PC it's good but it could be bettet and i don't agree to all decisions from Mozilla. For mobile i use vanadium (based on chromium)

[charred pewter]

we hate edge cause its crappy

like hate safari cause its crappy

[dire igloo]

Edge is both Google and Microsoft

[stray badger]

Im pretty sure it exists

Nvm, its Waterfox

[charred pewter]

didnt edge hard lock into "Bing" ...

[twin dew]

Just the default new tab page.

Otherwise it is Chrome with minor UI alterations and Google mandatory spying removed.

Mostly pointed to MS services instead, but AFAIK all of the things actually now have toggles so you can turn them off if you want to.

[midnight osprey]

Hey guys, this display port is from my vr headset so to help protect from any yanking I have doubled looped it but it's a little pinched. Is this safe on the cable?

[twin dew]

Better to leave it than move it again.
But should just be the outer jacket in the pic.

[midnight osprey]

Maybe I should have used an extender instead, lol

[twin dew]

But normal max safe turn radius for cables is 3-6 times the cable diameter.

[midnight osprey]

As this is hardwired into the headset.

Fascinating.

So as it makes a 180 turns that's the width I need to consider?

[twin dew]

And often 12 times the diameter is set in spec as the handling time max.
And then 1.5-6 times for final installation.
For raw cable stock.

Double for 180, as diameter is double the radius.

[midnight osprey]

Ah, lol

Amazed as always bud. Many thanks.

[twin dew]

But single time and leaving there is less dangerous than multiple movements.

[midnight osprey]

Good to know. Thanks.

Back of this case is so tidy. It faces me, haha

Now to tidy u der the desk.

Which had always been the hardest part for me.

Crazy convenient having the I/O nearer to me.

[twin dew]

Foil shields open, weave shields get "bald" spots, copper work-hardens and breaks with cycles or too tight turns.

[midnight osprey]

Scary

[twin dew]

The last doesn't really affect multistrand conductors.
But a problem for thicker single-strands like in permanent install ethernet cables and permanent install power cables.

[midnight osprey]

Can a worn cable affect the gpu?

[twin dew]

No, you just lose signal.

[midnight osprey]

TFFT

Haha

I admire Nvidea but I can't buy their GPUs

My mind simply doesn't like their cost per frames.

When I first got into building my own PCs I was a budget gamer. Now I have decent tech but that mentality stays with me.

I have the 6950xt

The 7900xt had been released and I have a little resentment that I rushed my purchase

People where sharing scare stories about the new GPU.

[wide void]

Sorry herg, appreciate this was a while back, is Forza 5 Multiplayer or Singleplayer?

[dire igloo]

My approach to cable management is more like this:

[midnight osprey]

Haha. I don't usually. You should see under my desk.

The 1050ti can still handle most games on ultra at 1080p

Higher res isn't essential to enjoy the experience.

[dire igloo]

Doubt that

[midnight osprey]

I guess my mind is stuck a few years ago when I upgraded for additional monitoes, lol

But until using a 4k tv as a second monitor I had no issues.

[mental oriole]

This, my xb controller cable has a "lump" and it's still fine...

[sharp oasis]

Huh?

Even my 7800XT can struggle at 1080 Basically unobtainium settings

Brugh. It's not even reccomended for 1080p

[winged valley]

nice valve index

yes thats safe

[sharp oasis]

So looks like remointing my cpu is only remaining idea

And cus it won't boot I can't really get the paste hot enough to take it off easly

[twin dew]

Also try with the old CPU at that point.

DOA CPU is always small possibility.

[sharp oasis]

The new cpu worked before. So

All temps were good voltages okay.

I didn't wanna put a 5900X in a shitty b450

So I bought a decent B550 to work with

Plus my old board was beginning to have issues again with a single kit of ram.

So I said screw it. $140 for a B550 A-Pro

[charred pewter]

that the MSI one ?

[winged valley]

If you have the money for it, B550 TAICHI from AsRock is a really solid board

The only real drawback is that its not the best for overclocking

I'm using it for virtualization, goes hard

It doesn't have drivers for killer wifi

Which idk how it still doesn't have them

[charred pewter]

i not like wifi built onto boards, its wasted money

i'd rather pay a little less for a board without it

[twin dew]

Bluetooth from that is nice.
And has helped in cases so you can use it while wiring stuff or changing stuff.

[charred pewter]

hell i'd pay less with a board without that shit audio chip they always use too 😄

yes, when there are no options ...

[sharp oasis]

Ye

[sharp oasis]

Apparently I have better vrms then avg with my Msi B550 A pro. As well as boatload of fan headers and the ability to read fluid temp now

[winged valley]

You don't need to have a bunch of fan headers

In fact for the sake of cable management I actually recommend using a fan hub

[sharp oasis]

Ik

I have a fan hub dw

[winged valley]

Nvm then

[sharp oasis]

It's the fact my mobo has 6 sys fan headers

+cpu and pump

[winged valley]

Nice

Also heres an interesting topic

Bitlocker encryption

[sharp oasis]

Annoying as fuck sometimes

[winged valley]

I work in a repair store and sometimes we get customers with bitlocker that has been triggered, and they want their data. Obv, if they can't access the account its tied to, we can't get the data

There's a $975 boot time tool that can read memory and decrypt the keys through brute forcing it

And that got me thinking

What if I used a DMA controller card to dump the memory and figure out a way to decrypt it myself

Its still expensive but almost a fifth of the price

[sharp oasis]

I do not think that's good to see.

[winged valley]

Wdym

[sharp oasis]

Cpu light is immidately on when I attempt to boot the machine

[winged valley]

Oh

[sharp oasis]

Even with no ram.

[winged valley]

You can usually ignore that

Initial POST sequence usually lights everything up

[sharp oasis]

In a sequence. Not instantly on pressing the button

[winged valley]

No it can

Check your manual

[twin dew]

Not really viable.
As it is 128 or 256 bit AES.
So brute forcing it would take forever.

Is that tool really brute forcing it?
Or faking stuff on SPI bus to make TPM spit out the key even when attestation fails?

[winged valley]

Its apparently able to do it even if there's no TPM

But spoofing SPI, that's not a bad idea

[twin dew]

You cannot use BitLocker without TPM or USB key with keyfile.

[winged valley]

There's ways to activate it i'm pretty sure

I know I've personally seen bitlocker configs with no TPM identifier

[midnight osprey]

mine is the Reverb G2 ... now I need to solve something else ... that thing pushes my glasses into my face and hurts after a while

[sharp oasis]

Yeah okay imma take my cpu out

See what the board does now

It's brand new so I can return it

[twin dew]

Ok, it does allow "simple password mode" if you are crazy.
But in that mode you need to insert the password on each boot anyways.

[midnight osprey]

yeah, it was years ago when I was rocking one ... games have a lot more detail these days ... my mind is clearly stuck in the past 😄

[twin dew]

But setting that up needs GPO etc.

Most of those cases are almost certainly using separate TPM or fTPM in the CPU.

[winged valley]

Hmmm

I wonder how difficult it would be to trick TPM into spitting out values

[twin dew]

With TPM, it "just works", until something in the OS or BIOS changes enough to cause attestation to fail.
And then it will ask for recovery password on boot.

[winged valley]

Obv it's be hard on a software level im talking hardware

[sharp oasis]

@twin dew the board shouldn't send the power up signal to the psu wile flashing right

[twin dew]

No, it should do the recovery flashing on standby power, and only boot up afterwards.

[winged valley]

The powerup signal is just bridging 2 of the wires on the 24pin isn't it?

[sharp oasis]

It's attempting to boot wile flssbing

With nothing installed.

[winged valley]

No CPU either?

Some boards can power on without onw

[twin dew]

Might depend on the MB.
Or you might have DOA MB?

[sharp oasis]

Worked before msi center borked the bios.

[twin dew]

Ah, forgot you were able to boot before the in-Windows BIOS update attempt.

[winged valley]

Like I said earlier get that chip peogrammer and reflash the rom

Its 5-10 on amazon

[sharp oasis]

And a warranty gone if I do

[winged valley]

No not really

The worst you could do is fry the one chip qhich is easy to replace

Rest of the mobo would be fine

Also chances are thats how they fix it at the factory unless that model has the pads for a programming header

[sharp oasis]

Okay no

@twin dew its apparently normal for msi flashback to engage full power

[twin dew]

Ok.
So MSI does it differently or I remember wrong.

[sharp oasis]

It seems to be flashing normally rn

So I have the file right.

I'll reinstall cpu after this finishes

Apparently I can flash with parts in as well with no effect

I'll test the parts in the old board to check

Bios flash taking too long

It's been 15 min

Shit

I'll try a diffrent stick

@twin dew

I pressed the power button

The system shut off.

Bios flashing light still Goin

I can pull the stick and try with another if it fails right?

[twin dew]

I would use the PSU power button to shut the system down first.

[sharp oasis]

Re trying flash

Does the. Rom extention require to be in all caps

[twin dew]

No idea.

[sharp oasis]

35 sec

I'll give it another 5min

If it also fails. I'm gonna be kinda mad

Gonna exchange the board

Memory express is just gonna have me exchange it

[winged valley]

No

Its not case sensitive

[winged valley]

nice

I've begun hoarding various dead boards at work, ine day when I have time I'll try to revive them

[sharp oasis]

It seems to be an issue with bios flashback

[twin dew]

Or even the first BIOS update failure might have been from same cause?

[twin dew]

Ooh, new stable BIOS with AGESA 1.1.0.2b.

[winged valley]

Nice

[sharp oasis]

Quite possibly

They will send it back to msi and deal with that. I get a new board tmr

And they will even update the bios for me too

[visual tree]

I only watched this video to see Linus getting zapped and wearing a shock collar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dncyekT9d4

[sharp oasis]

Jesus

[winged valley]

🍿

[sand saddle]

That video was quite entertaining and enjoyable with sponsorblock add-on

[surreal sun]

@full tide when you run YOUR game on ultra with your 1660TI are all of the settings turned on ultra or only some?

[full tide]

high

[surreal sun]

i thought you run on ultra?!!!

you tell me all the time “i run on ultra for a little bit for some heat”

[full tide]

now high

[surreal sun]

bc your PC can’t handle ultra?

idk if i should run on high

[full tide]

i run it on high and no

[surreal sun]

but i guess if you have a 1660TI, and i have a 6800 then i can more than DEFINITELY run on high

[full tide]

i like my heat

[silk hemlock]

@high token
Laptop or PC?
how long ago was windows installed?

[high token]

oh no trust me

its just my cpu being ass

im already eyeing up a new cpu (current is intel pentium)

[winged valley]

Oh yeah that'll do it

[high token]

its been like 6 years since i got this pc and its seen no hardware upgrades since

[winged valley]

i5-1135G7 is a bad CPU and its still way better than a pentium

[high token]

im eyeing up the i7-7700k

its the best cpu i can get without changing my motherboard chipset socket etc

basically without rebuilding half my pc

as for my gpu its.. fine

gtx 1050 runs everything decently

[winged valley]

Whats your budget

[high token]

like

215€

[winged valley]

got it

[high token]

i doubt oyu can beat the i7-7700k though

ive checked everything (except psu) and its compatible with everything

and i dont want to replace half my pc either

[winged valley]

whats your psu

[high token]

thats the fun part: i dont know

i cant find anything about watt or whatever on my pc, along the cables, nowhere

[winged valley]

Yeah you have to look at the actual psu

There's a label on it

[high token]

i dont know where the psu is

theres no brick between the cables or anything

[winged valley]

Its the box you plug the power cable into

On the pc

[high token]

well thats just your common household 5x plug box

[winged valley]

No, on the pc

[high token]

there is no box

its just a cable

[winged valley]

The power cable, goes from the wall, into a port on the PC

wait what?Show pic?

[high token]

yup and theres no box between that

it just goes from plug > pc but theres a sticker above said port

let me check

[wary olive]

that plug is the psu

or should be

[high token]

its just a straight cable though

right the sticker says

230Vac Only whatever that means

[jagged snow]

That's just specifying what power it should recieve from the wall

The end of the cable attatched to the PC goes into the PSU

[winged valley]

Okay hang on

Let me grab something

[jagged snow]

I'm guessing this is a dell box, right?

[high token]

...i dont know? maybe?

manufacturer(?) is hyrican if that helps

[jagged snow]

Does the outside of the PC say DELL somewhere?

[high token]

nope

[jagged snow]

Oh, then it's not

That's good news for upgradability

[winged valley]

When you unplug it from the PC, does the connector look like left or right

[jagged snow]

Hyrican is a german OEM, so that checks out

[high token]

and im german so yes that checks sout

but like

[high token]

left

[winged valley]

Oh yeah he's got a barrel plu

[high token]

i think

[winged valley]

huh

[high token]

its not circle thats for sure

[jagged snow]

barrel plug is on the right...

[high token]

im not gonna unplug it rn because im using it lol but that roughly the shape

[winged valley]

Do you have something like this in between wall and pc?

[high token]

there is nothing inbetween no

its literally just A Cable

[winged valley]

Oh then cool you have an upgradable PSU

[high token]

It goes from a to b it doesnt go anywhere

[jagged snow]

hyrican makes full/mid tower gaming pcs

[winged valley]

And thats a hyrican power brick

[jagged snow]

They also sell some nuc type stuff, that's what that would go to

[winged valley]

200 WATT NUC?

Unless its overspecced for efficiency

[high token]

i have no idea what those magic words mean

[jagged snow]

They don't use a cdn on their website so it takes ages to load anything, but I think so

[winged valley]

So this is about $20 USD over your budget, but these specs are way better than what you have, and better than a 7700K. Additionally, motherboard is usually first to fail and you have an old one. Additionally additionally, while AsRock has a questionable history with Intel boards, this one is alright.

[high token]

now convert to euro

[high token]

it might be way more over my budget loll

(theres insane inflation in germany rn)

[jagged snow]

It's more dependant on regional pricing

[winged valley]

234.55

[jagged snow]

Germany is a little more expensive for tech stuff

[high token]

oh thats not that bad

[winged valley]

Ik

And you have DDR4 which will work with that

[high token]

well you see i also have to get it delivered somehow

[winged valley]

Everything should be plug and play I really doubt your PSU won't be able to handle that

That's on newegg

Just look that stuff up on it and find the prices

I think they operate in the EU

[wary olive]

also if you do end up upgrading and dont know how to install something dont be stubborn ask a help forum or go on youtube

way cheaper then ruining a new part

[high token]

im still eyeing up that i7-7700k because its the simplest of all this right now

im just more confused by new parts lol

[winged valley]

Trust me there's nothing confusing about those 2

[high token]

as someone who is profesionally dumb i am very confused

[winged valley]

Replacing a motherboard is literally just unplug, unscrew, take out, put in, screw, plug, run windows update

And if it doesn't boot go into bios and turn on legacy boot / csm

99% that fixes it

Trust me you will thank yourself for going with those parts as opposed to just the 7700k bc then you're set for a long time

[high token]

is the 7700k not set for a long time?

[winged valley]

not at all

[high token]

i mean like 5 people have already said "yeah this is a good investment" to the 7700k

[winged valley]

The CPU I showed you has more than double the raw performance

And using it costs you like 20 more euros

[high token]

the 7700k allegedly has 10x more

[winged valley]

More than what? Your pentium?

[high token]

yea

[winged valley]

That means the 12500 has 20x more

Which is the one I showed you

Any intel cpu below 9000 series is honestly not worth buying in current day unless you really really can't afford anything better

Which your budget clearly can

[high token]

i mean...

my budget is literally my entire balance right now lol

[winged valley]

Besides if that's too expensive for you, you can swap out the cpu for a 12300 and it would still be better than that i7

While setting you up for a much better upgrade path in the future

The 7700k is a dead end for you

[high token]

idk i might have to fact check this with the same people before to be extra sure

[winged valley]

What are the credentials of the same people btw

[high token]

just my friends really

[winged valley]

Tell them to look at passmark scores

[high token]

• someone here in this server

[winged valley]

If they aren't familiar with building PC's and/or IT stuff then you shouldn't trust their advice, especially if they're telling you a 7700K is a good investment for the future in current year

[high token]

i mean ive had someone scour the internet for the best possible cpu i can get that isnt overly expensive and doesnt require me to upgrade anything and that was the i7 7700k

[winged valley]

5 years ago sure but not anymore

[high token]

as long as my games are playable im happy is the thing

[winged valley]

Well thats if you really really dont want to upgrade your motherboard but please believe me when I say its not complicated

[high token]

satisfactory at sub-10fps is not playable

[winged valley]

Even if you're brand new, its not complicated

[high token]

mmmmm

ill consider it

its not like i have a time limit

[winged valley]

Replacing a motherboard is literally just unplug, unscrew, take out, put in, screw, plug, run windows update

[jagged snow]

For the same price as the 7700k you could pretty much double the performance gain you're getting. Does that not seem worth it?

[winged valley]

Simple steps

[winged valley]

you're late lol

[wary olive]

12400 would be a much better investment

[high token]

i mean it does but like. idk if i can trust two strangers here over 6 of my friends

and idk hardware enough to check myself and understand it

[winged valley]

My brother in christ I will dox myself to you in dms to show you where I work and what I do

[wary olive]

r/pcmasterrace

[jagged snow]

Do your friends actually know what they're talking about?

[winged valley]

^

[wary olive]

ask there thats where your actual pc nerds are gonna be

[high token]

one of them overclocks for fun so i would think so yes

well not for fun

[jagged snow]

I don't mean that in a mean way, but do you actually have any reason to believe they know what they're talking about

[high token]

the other ones constantly talk about technical shit

[wary olive]

other then just being friends*

[high token]

so yeah

i would think so

[winged valley]

Also if you scroll up, I provided plenty of data to support what I'm telling you. I didn't just blurt it out. If you scroll even farther up you can see me talking about things way more advanced than this

[jagged snow]

That really doesn't mean anything
A not insignificant of my tech support goes to people that consider themselves to be "overclockers" and are blaming their gpus for constant system crashes caused by a bad mem config

[wary olive]

ima be direct, they are wrong.

[high token]

mmmmm

you make good points

[wary olive]

7700 is fine sure but a 12500 would be much better for a slight price increase

[high token]

i still dont know if my psu can handle this though

[wary olive]

upgrade that too

[high token]

dont even know what my psu is

[jagged snow]

Personally, I've been helping people with their tech problems in this channel for over three years and I don't think I've ever seen anyone say I'm giving bad advice

[winged valley]

It doesn't matter

[jagged snow]

The new cpu will draw less power than the 7700

[winged valley]

The base TDP of the 12500 is 65W and turbo is 112

Your PSU can handle that fine

[jagged snow]

Or will at least be very close to it

[wary olive]

make some money. doing some lawn work chores get a job if you dont have one (assuming youre under 18)

[high token]

18 thousand messages holy shit yeah i trust you

yeah i might be going with this then

[wary olive]

power supply unit

[winged valley]

Let me see how many i have in here

[high token]

no i mean like what type or whatever

[wary olive]

I have a solid 30 on this acc lmao

[winged valley]

Again doesn't matter

[jagged snow]

I'm at 40k in the server now 💀

[high token]

another issue is availability

[winged valley]

go to newegg rn and check for your region

[wary olive]

time for screwdriver unplug things first tho

[winged valley]

AsRock B660M PRO RS and i5-12400

Look those up on newegg @high token

[high token]

ok

promising start

[wary olive]

Bought this recently at microcenter. I think it was a great deal what yall think?

[jagged snow]

Is that a 7800x?

Or a 7700x

[wary olive]

7800

[jagged snow]

Good stuff, how much ram came with it?

I hope it was at least 32 gigs

[high token]

breaking news

the cpu does not seem available

oh im in us region im so fucking smart one second

[wary olive]

lmao

[high token]

theres not eeven germany or anything here

[wary olive]

Not even a europe in general?

[high token]

no

theres oddly specific countries here

[high token]

@winged valley

[wary olive]

I see a UK one but thats it

[wary olive]

32 gigs

[jagged snow]

you can try amazon then

[high token]

perfect

a site i can actually order from

[jagged snow]

Some of our resident germans can probably advise on good retailers over there when it's not such a bad time

[jagged snow]

At least in the US, amazon typically has higher prices

That's why we reccomended newegg first

[high token]

oh boy

my pc is collapsing in on itself trying to load amazon

[wary olive]

thats not great

[high token]

and im not logged in for some reason

sighhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[winged valley]

Btw if you want to cut costs it is safe to buy a used cpu

[high token]

surely theres a reason it costs less though

[winged valley]

cpu pretty much never dies outside of external factors

[wary olive]

its used thats about it

[winged valley]

? Yeah? It costs less bc its used?

If it was broken itd be listed as such

[jagged snow]

And if it's broken and not listed as such marketplaces like ebay have protections that guarantee you a full refund

[winged valley]

Correct

[high token]

this?

[winged valley]

CPU is really the only thing I'd buy used. I only recommend buying a used GPU if you're prepared to reflash the vbios

[winged valley]

yes that

Though that is more expensive than newegg was

[jagged snow]

I buy CPU, GPU, and mem used(mem only in some cases)

[high token]

figured

[gilded helm]

I saw a GTX 960 for $40 in a thrift shop, that was amusing.

[jagged snow]

Storage depending on the use case

[winged valley]

I would never buy used ram

Ive seen so much bad ram

No thanks

[jagged snow]

Yeah, that's fair enough

[winged valley]

Unless I owned it or know where it came from im not touching used ram

[jagged snow]

Not something I recommend to other people, that's just what I do for my personal builds and it hasn't bitten me yet

I don't see the kind of volume that you do by any means though

[winged valley]

Do you test it or yolo

[jagged snow]

I test every build, so yes

[winged valley]

Well also remember that anything that comes into my shop, chances are its broken for some reason

[jagged snow]

But the average person really doesn't want to run a 12h memtest cycle so...

[high token]

oh my GOD

[winged valley]

So statistically my chance of seeing bad ram iz way higher

[wary olive]

oh?

[high token]

that is 70€ more

[winged valley]

Check german tech sites

[jagged snow]

Yup, amazon pricing is a lot worse usually

[winged valley]

And again you can buy used cpu

Thats safe

Just dont overclock it (you dont need to)

[jagged snow]

Especially on lga chips

[winged valley]

mhm

thank god amd moved away from pga

[high token]

oil talk and now hardware talk is melting my feeble inferior brain

i dont even know of any german tech sites

[winged valley]

Okay go on ebay and/or whatever shopping sites work in germany and search for i5-12400 and find whats cheapest and not marked as broken or "as-is"

Note that secondhand you might need to buy a cooler for like 7 euros

Note2 that if you go secondhand yoy might find a better deal on a 12500 since its more common

[high token]

my headdddd

alr ebay it is

[winged valley]

bigger number better

in terms of performance

[jagged snow]

Doesn't matter as much right now with the price of am5 boards but as those come down it should become a lot better

[winged valley]

rhats why i mentioned it bc more people have rhat one and so you could potentially find it cheaper

[high token]

mmm

[winged valley]

Man european tech market is ass

[jagged snow]

@high token www.kaufland.de/product/418559531/?search_value=b660m intel

[wary olive]

gold lmao

[winged valley]

Do not

Do NOT

[high token]

huh

[winged valley]

Buy ANY budget gigabyte mobo

[jagged snow]

Have they had problems recently?

[winged valley]

In fact stay away from them unless you know what to look for

[winged valley]

All of gigabytes low end boards have terrible power delivery and/or fail

[jagged snow]

That's asrock though

[winged valley]

Any gigabyte H/A series board stay away

[winged valley]

Asrock too

The board I recommwnsed is one of their better ones

[jagged snow]

asrocks amd boards have been pretty solid from what I've seen, but again that could just be the fact that I don't see

[winged valley]

Their AMD boards are solid people complain about them because they arent the best for overclockinf

[jagged snow]

Well then, here's that same board for 120e www.kaufland.de/product/419609611/?search_value=b660m intel

[winged valley]

And its like, okay?

Just dont buy asrock for overclockinf

[jagged snow]

The taichi boards are pretty solid, xoc guys like those for lga 1700

[winged valley]

Im using a B550 TAICHI for my primary server

Great board and solid for virtualization

[jagged snow]

Here's a budget asus board www.kaufland.de/product/418122312/?search_value=b660m intel

@high token this would probably be your best option of the three I just linked

[winged valley]

That should be fine

[jagged snow]

The IO is just a little disappointing

[winged valley]

Its probably better than what he has now

[high token]

so what now

i just cant get the i5-12400?

[winged valley]

No you can, check what flight just pinged you on

That board is good too

[high token]

oh thats a motherboard

[winged valley]

Oh one other thing, are you using windows 10 or windows 11?

[high token]

w11

[winged valley]

good

[high token]

forced because i like the ui

[winged valley]

12th gen + doesnt play nice on w10

[winged valley]

Wdym the ui is the same just more rounded

Dont tell me its because of the centered taskbar

[high token]

no i used falconX for that

[jagged snow]

w11 has a not unnoticeable performance edge on those chips as well

[high token]

i like the roundness and just generally the way it looks more

[winged valley]

Thats a bad way to word 5-12fps boost

[jagged snow]

Sure 😉

[winged valley]

lol

[jagged snow]

I don't like to say numbers like that because of how situational they are

[winged valley]

Thats why I gave the range lol

[high token]

soooooo

this motherboard + the cpu on amazon?

[winged valley]

W11 in general has better gaming performance PROVIDED your pc is strong enough to run w11

[winged valley]

You dont have to buy just from amazon

You can mix/match based on price

[high token]

PROVIDED your pc is strong enough to run w11
yeah about that

[winged valley]

your new cpu is far more than able to run w11

so is the 7700K

Pentium sucks, and you're on an OLD one

[jagged snow]

What price did you find for the 12400?

[high token]

this

its a l ot more

[jagged snow]

@winged valley you wanna reccomend the F variant in this case? It's 20e cheaper which makes much more difference at this price point

[winged valley]

he has a gpu so sure

im too busy to explain it tho

[jagged snow]

Sounds good

@high token I'd also buy the cpu from kaufland: www.kaufland.de/product/419595966/?search_value=intel 12400

[high token]

funny how you can jsut remove the https://

[jagged snow]

Yup 😅

[winged valley]

thats the part that makes it functional

[high token]

yeah thats marginally better

ill have to save up a bit more if i want this

[winged valley]

https:// is a call to the protocol used to route your request to the ip associated with the domain

[wary olive]

nat how old are u btw? dont have to answer just helps

[winged valley]

you can go to a website without typing it out bc your browser implies it

[high token]

not old enough to have a full unlocked bank account thats for sure

only place i can order from is amazon

other sites are a lot more complicated cuz of all the stuff i have to do to use them

[winged valley]

Hey natsumi

[wary olive]

ok fair enough that does help a lil bit

[high token]

so i genereally just prefer amazon

[winged valley]

If you do this, watch a vid about replacing mobo

[high token]

oh im gonna be watching a shitton of vids trust me

[winged valley]

Also for the smaller cables, label them

[high token]

if i mess this up i will hate myself forever

[winged valley]

Look at what theyre plugged into on your current board and label them accordingly, you'll thank yourself

The board has every header (pins sticking up that you plug cables into) labeled

[stray badger]

most electronics are fairly (compared to how weak we think they are) strong, and worst case, you just return the parts and be like: "it don't work"

[wary olive]

and never admit to it being your fault

[winged valley]

Voltage kills electronics, not amperage. Static will kill just about anything unless it went directly into a groundpoint/plane

Wiring something wrong will most likely result in it not working, worst case is that specific component you wired wrong stops working

That being said, most cables are fitted so it's pretty hard to do it wrong if you're paying attention

[jagged snow]

The one very notable exception is the EPS and PCIE power connectors

They use extremely similar connectors with reversed polarity

[winged valley]

Well he's using a 1050, not a 1050ti so chances are its running on slot power

In other words thats not a concern

[jagged snow]

Yeah, not a concern at all here

[maiden coyote]

I don't quite agree with this. Breakdown voltage is when the semiconductor is no longer able to stop the flow of current because the voltage exceeds what it can withstand. This is used to create voltage regulators; zenier diodes with low breakdown voltages. While I'm not sure of the exact mechanism of semiconductor death, it would make sense to me that it's current; either by blowing apart the tiny interconnects inside of a chip, or death by heat; which is I squared * R. static discharge flows through the entire component; like a lighting strike hitting a tree, the killzone surrounds the base of the tree. Damage from static discharge isn't as likely for chips soldered to a PCB.

[charred pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/high-voltage-voltage-electricity-arc-gif-20386887

[maiden coyote]

well thought out connectors.. like the usb 2.0 headers on your motherboard are designed in such a way that if they're plugged in backwards, no current will flow because of the NC pin.

[stray badger]

i was thinking more along the lines of accidentally knocking components around a bit

[maiden coyote]

even if the key wasn't there, plugging it in backwards will connect +5V to NC.

[winged valley]

It depends on where the static shock decides to enter and flow to

If you send 750V from the lowest average carpet shock (with a visible arc) into say, the sensor pin for a USB 2.0 controller which runs through a set of resistors to ground

That chip is dead

Especially considering its designed to withstand no more than 5-8V depending on rated tolerance

The resistors are also undoubtedly dead too

And if that sensor circuit cannot complete (cannot reach ground), the chip disables itself. That is if 750V didn't explode it

[maiden coyote]

I'm assuming you're talking about resistors in the IC itself. Normal resistors.. well..

I think the last chip I handled that I actually viewed the datasheet for said 50V for static rating. It was probably an SPI flash IC

Hopefully I didn't kill this pcie riser bending it this way. I bought the shortest one I could find.. that was also cheap

[jagged snow]

Probably fine

[maiden coyote]

I don't plan on having to unplug it for the remaining life of this system so

[twin dew]

@compact tangle From U8 game log, list of all the base plugins that can cause that same error:

[compact tangle]

Noted.

[languid gulch]

ha

[stuck nebula]

On top of that, anything that is 3rd party/external related to editing the engine mostly also include plugins that are dependent for the engine to properly run with all those features

so yeah, the mods are also in that "3rd party" category, hence they share that "plugin" feature

docs.unrealengine.com/5.0/en-US/plugins-in-unreal-engine/

bad bot

[twin dew]

Yup, that mods use the plugin functionality is just that that is the easy way when the functionality is there in the engine already.
Because it is there for third party extensions for game devs.
Like WWise, DLSS, etc. are all plugins.

And even the EOS support is plugin.

And U8 as it comes from CSS uses 147 different plugins already.

[stuck nebula]

i recently started to get into UE5 just as a hobby + learning coding and i'm really fascinated tbh, Unreal Engine seems like a refined power tool

it's no surprise for UE to dominate the market tbh

[edgy hazel]

"And why are we using http instead of https? Because the applications need to read plain text information and don't need to read that garbage."

[dire igloo]

Especially after the Unity monetization fuckup - that said, Godot seems to be on the rise

[stuck nebula]

Yeah, godot seems like the new "unity" for 2d game devs

but i heard that it still needs alot of improvements

[dire igloo]

Thor called it the Blender of game engines

Not quite there yet, but once it is it'll become industry standard

[stuck nebula]

eh idk, i never liked 2d games so it never gathered my interest

probably due to my age or in general getting not exposed to it

but i understand the logic behind it, it's much cheaper and easier to start with 2d games and evolve your studio into a 3d one slowly

[dire igloo]

It's a 3D engine too

[stuck nebula]

i know, but afaik it's similar to unity where it has more support towards 2d compared to UE

[high token]

right so ive thought a little

im gonna buy the i5-12400 and that asrock motherboard

i will be dirt broke but its gonna last me a lot longer

i just have to pray that the 12400 will still be available by the time i have enough money scratched up to buy this because theres only 1 left available

[stray badger]

It has a real 2d engine unlike UE

[midnight osprey]

hey guys, since moving my PC and re attaching all my cables my mouse no longer wakes up my PC from sleep like my keyboard does ... should it be connected to a certain USB port to act as it previously did?

[twin dew]

You might have set the previous one to not go to power saving mode.

In Windows Device Manager.

[midnight osprey]

lol, didn't even know that was possible

I have my mobo USB ports and also a card I plugged in

I am guessing I need to turn it on down there

where would I go to do that pls?

[twin dew]

And needs to be on MB port unless you change settings to allow the separate card to wake the PC.

[midnight osprey]

cable isn't long enough to be routed up there

it's not a huge deal but wouldn't mind turning it on

though I have noticed in the past that sometimes attached devices no longer charge when PC is in sleep mode

[twin dew]

Open Device Manager, find the mouse.
Then with the mouse entry selected, switch view to "Devices By Connection".
Then start checking the properties for the entries in the Power Management tab:

And in BIOS you would need to turn "Wake by PCIe" on.

To allow for the extra USB card to wake the computer.

[twin dew]

I had to get 30 or 50cm extension cables for the mice and keyboards...

[midnight osprey]

hmmm, already checked so must be the bios thing

tempted to just buy the cable extension, haha

[twin dew]

Need to check upwards too on the device tree.

[midnight osprey]

thanks

is the standard of console gaming still 60FPS?

I am gonna buy a cable for my PC to 4K TV

[twin dew]

They can support higher, many games run at 30FPS.

[midnight osprey]

so if limited to 60 then it wouldn't feel like much of a drop ... my primary monitor is only 100htz anyways

from 2k 100FPS to 4k 60FPS, lol

[twin dew]

But you want Premium High-Speed HDMI with Ethernet anyways.

As High-Speed only supports to 4k@30Hz.

[midnight osprey]

www.amazon.co.uk/HDMI-Cable-10M-Lead-High-Speed/dp/B006JSDLNK/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=10m+hdmi+cable+4k&qid=1706710911&sr=8-6

how is this?

[twin dew]

10m Ultra high-speed for that price?
I don't believe.

[midnight osprey]

lol

[twin dew]

Because for 10m cable, even high-speed needed to be active to make it work in all cases.

And for rest of the page, they never say anything that wouldn't be filled by High-speed specced cable.