off-topic-tech

[jagged snow]

Notably, the unlocked version isn't ip68 rated

[edgy hazel]

INNER JOIN? more like inhale joint amiright

[jagged snow]

Where did that come from?

[edgy hazel]

I had to learn more SQL today 😦

[jagged snow]

Oh wow, I'm sorry

[night girder]

left join, right join, outer join, inner join 😄

[edgy hazel]

yeah I hate it

[jagged snow]

I just have libs handle most of the SQL legwork

[edgy hazel]

I JOINED the SQL hated club

[charred pewter]

yup, my machine is below average, not even in the bell curve...

[jagged snow]

And I can google how to write the queries I need 😅

[jagged snow]

Userbenchmark is very bad

[charred pewter]

3dmark is userbench? doh

[night girder]

wait untill someone fucks up the DB and you gotta run some SQL to fix it. You will love SQL.

[jagged snow]

Oh, mixed up the UI

@charred pewter did you forget to enable XMP?

[edgy hazel]

yeah I live in the richest country in the EU so I still have to do my tests on paper obviously

[jagged snow]

Oh, didn't realize this was for a test

I thought you were actually using it

[charred pewter]

says its on

[edgy hazel]

Oh no I will at work next month

but at work I at least will learn to use it how it's actually used and not in an isolated enviroment on paper

[night girder]

my experience, I have to use SQL so little, that when I do, I use google to refresh my memory.

a.k.a. I don't use it enough, to memorize it all. And why else do we have google 😒

[edgy hazel]

btw with paper I don't mean it as "only theoretical"

I mean PAPER

[night girder]

select * from DB

drop DB;

What flavor of SQL are you learning?

Since the syntax/features can be different depending on which SQL you use

[edgy hazel]

MySQL

[night girder]

ah 🐬

[edgy hazel]

So the most useful shit ever

And also because the school doesn't have to pay for it

Would be a shame if we actually had to invest into our future generations

[wanton orchid]

mariadb works too, have pcre and is free

[night girder]

I used h2 for a bit.

in memory DB. - h2database.com/html/main.html

This is what I love about it:

So you can just access the DB with a webbrowser to check data, modify it etc. No need for client.

[edgy hazel]

we use phpmyadmin

[night girder]

Just put H2 in your web-application. Spin it up. Navigate to url. Enter password etc. And you good to go 👍

And it's free. You can use it in your application and distribute the application.

it does have drawbacks. Like it's running on the same server as your application (since it's embedded). A lot of SQL you need to hire an extra server 😒 Or make sure you can run a DB on it.

[edgy hazel]

about to turn my raspi into one

get ready for 20 second queries on a 70kb database

[night girder]

put an index on the db

[charred pewter]

odd... soooo ... i guess my old 3dmark results where i was on the high end of the average curve with a 3080, was just because no one serious about overclocking ever bought a 3080 (or they couldnt actually overclock them cause they thermal'd out even on STOCK) ...

but the 4080, ive not overclocked at all, and everyone who reports on 3dmark, HAS... which is why im so below the average

i guess i need to get crackin =p

[edgy hazel]

are you sure about that?

I did lot of stock runs with my 7900xt which is very fun to OC

[charred pewter]

i duno

i cant figure it out ... ive got all the latest drivers, bios, settings, removed g-sync and vsync as it says, ran it, ran it ... and i cant get anywhere near the curve (but i've YET to try overclocking)

[edgy hazel]

because stock will be about here

[charred pewter]

thats what i woulda thought .... my prior rig was:

🤷 ... im fine if its "because im not overclocking" ... but i just want to make sure ive not got something broken in here killing my results

i need to dig up an extra SSD and do a clean wipe bare install of windows11 and try again

(just to rule that mess out)

[edgy hazel]

number 112 on the scoreboard

gotta do better

[charred pewter]

heh

[edgy hazel]

(also a lot of peeps with multiple entries which is kinda cheating

[night girder]

You mean on the leaderbord?

[edgy hazel]

the leaderboard I don't understand 😦

[night girder]

they should only put highest per single user on the leaderboard.

[edgy hazel]

AH NVM

SKRRR

[night girder]

I am confused.

what test is that?

[edgy hazel]

timespy normal

It shows my score at the bottom too which had me confused

Time to run time spy extreme and check what I get with that OC

[night girder]

oh, I got it. So yeah.

[edgy hazel]

Yeah I'm 23 with normal time spy on the leaderboard

CPU score gonna probably drag me down...

[night girder]

Interesting. Hoof is N1.

[edgy hazel]

that's a new one

[night girder]

I think he didn't use a case? He OC'd more, lower temperatures 😒

Like the CPU is still running hot, but GPU only 37, while yours was at 47. And I assume you used your current watercooled rig.

[edgy hazel]

BABY

LES GOOOOOOOOO

[charred pewter]

hm, someone with the same specs as me said they ran at stock with 3dmark and was getting the 28k scores .... so something must be wrong with my windows, or hardware.

im gonna dig up a sdd to do a test clean windows/nvidia/3dmark install and see

sounds like a 'tomorrow problem' 😉

[night girder]

I wouldn't be able to do that. I would be too curious.

[maiden coyote]

D: my rpi appeared to be frozen I couldn't connect to cups or open remote desktop.. does linux keep any logs that i could check as to why

[maiden coyote]

congrats. try not to fry your gpu as you try for higher scores

[edgy hazel]

I'm not tryna beat that tbh 😄

[gilded helm]

For real, see if you can sell it some some super serious benchmarker for a markup and buy an XTX

Or even just a straightup swap

[edgy hazel]

yeah I'm too iffy about used GPUs and idk if I could sell that

[gilded helm]

Stipulate a new XTX that you could register.

SOmeone out there might want the inside track to a top 10 score and would pay for it, people do crazy shit to get on leaderboards

[night girder]

for real?

[gilded helm]

I've heard of crazier things done for the sake of benchmark scores. Holy shit, you should see the insanity in laptop Discords.

Because then you need to acquire the whole board if you want someone's golden sample.

[night girder]

How do you prove that the benchmarks was produced by that exact hardware? Like it's not photoshopped or a different machine?

[gilded helm]

No idea 🤷

[edgy hazel]

It's in combination with a 5800x3D

Which holds it back a lot. I currently don't know the real "power" this gpu has in timespy extreme

[dire igloo]

Benchmarks rarely benefit from the extra cache

Which is a shame tbh, cuz that means you'll only see them shine in games

[night girder]

I wonder, can't they make a benchmark specifically for that?

[dire igloo]

It exists and it's called "Microsoft Flight Simulator"

[charred pewter]

with 3dmark, its being sent as some sort of key encrypted data packet to the machine.... so its really dificult for someone to spoof send a data packet with bogus details

unlike say... leaderboards in games where you see some jackass with a 'level completion time of 3 seconds' =p

[night girder]

cool

[charred pewter]

well, this is embarrasing ....

so i ran from a clean windows11 install, fresh nvidia drivers.... got a score above the dashed blue line "average" ...

soooo clearly my current windows11 has some crap in it that is hurting my results

[night girder]

well, you know the fix.

[charred pewter]

peanut telling me "I TOLD YOU SO!!!" ..

fixed the problem on my win11 install:

Burning interest demands an explanation! you say??? well, ok... here goes:

So RTSS has this global setting to limit FPS (so some games dont go flying off the handle trying to render 5000 fps in menus for example). I had it set to "144" because my monitor is 144hz. Ahem. Well, that apparently makes a difference in 3dmark when you finally get a gpu that goes above 144fps in the tests (my 3080 never seemed to hit that to show the score hit). So, when I turned it off, and re-ran the benchmark... im now landing 'in the middle of average' where I would have expected to be all along. sigh

[torpid plaza]

hey yall are smart and im ont sure where to ask, do any of you know a tool that can detect duplicate images?

i have a ton of pictures on my phones and i want to have them all on my laptop and remove duplicates

some duplicates are cropped versions of the original tho and sometimes i downloaded it frmo discord again to send it to someone else so some have gone through compression too

is there an easy way to detect likely duplicates?

[obtuse geyser]

depends on your patience

I recommend you start by gathering all the images in one root folder and use a tool to find exact duplicate files. Toni arts easy cleaner has built in duplicate finder. there are others.

[torpid plaza]

that sounds exactly like what im looking for

[obtuse geyser]

once actual duplicates are found and eliminated, you need a tool that can analyse image similarity. I had good results with Awesome duplicate photo finder, but 1. It will take literal age to run on bigger folder and 2. interface is clunky and requires manual assesment. there may be better tools out there.

[torpid plaza]

well i want to decide manually on each possible duplicate it finds, dont want to accidentally delete stuff i dont want deleted

and i dont mind letitng it run over night if necessary

[obtuse geyser]

the first step (actual duplicates) is easy and safe to run and you are sure the files have same content. for step two, take care to not remove the better quality version of the image. I recommend you backup whole folder to zip archive before starting work.

[torpid plaza]

good idea, thanks

[obtuse geyser]

I have made own tool for finding exact duplicates, but dont have any release ready versions. Unless you are fine with running exe files from random stranger on discord.

[torpid plaza]

i think iyll use this here, sounds promising: https://github.com/jhnc/findimagedupes

[obtuse geyser]

I strongly recommend you use programs with actual gui, not command line tools.

[wanton orchid]

normally the originals are in DCIM folder or similar
the edited in Edited or similar

[torpid plaza]

edited are in dcim too for me

[wanton orchid]

you could find by name normally then

like 476533_edited.jpg being edited off 476533.jpg

if you really mean multiple similar shots then it's all up to your human eyes

[rotund hamlet]

https://github.com/qarmin/czkawka

[torpid plaza]

the programs i found calim to detect similar images automatically

[sharp oasis]

the gtx 1660 sucks ass

[winged valley]

Its a low end card. Unfortunately its price hasn't really gone down enough to make it worth buying. You'd be better off buying an rx 6600 or hell even a 6500 XT

[sharp oasis]

I have a 6700xt in need of repair

[sharp oasis]

I'm using the GTX 1660 S atm

And even with a 2.1ghz oc

It's still ass

[sharp oasis]

Idk I sent a follow-up email as it's been 5 days since I last heard from asrock

Fuck I want my nice gpu working again

I don't wanna buy another gpu

[twin dew]

@charred pewter Have you checked what HWiNFO says about low power state "time spent" percentage (C-state Residency on modern AMD), and core effective clocks.
As the normal frequency "idle" frequency doesn't mean anything anymore with AMD, not sure about Intel.
As the power saving core frequency and power gating is much more granular now, and the Windows reported core frequency is absolutely meaningless on AMD.

My unused cores "idle" at 3600MHz, but the effective clock is 50-100MHz, and they are 90-99% in C6 power down state.
The effective clock is "high" and C6 residency numbers are "low" as I'm running 5 core load testing.

Probably, but that is the reason for the ping in first.

But anyways, stopped the loads.
Windows reports 4.2-4.5GHz core clock while idle, HWiNFO reports 3.6GHz Core, and 40-50MHz Effective.
With 0.5-1.0% C0 residency (full power core on), 2.0-2.5% C1 residency (frequency gated?), and 96-97% C6 residency (power gated?).
With average 0.035W Core power usage in HWINFO.
This with Balanced power plan, iwhen I set to High Performance, only changes were that the HWiNFO reported Core clock jumped to 4.2GHz and Task Manager shows now 4.4-4.8GHz jumping.
Actual power usage while idle is exactly the same.

[twin dew]

So for AMD, the reported core frequency doesn't mean anything, as the CPUs from them now gate below the "old" layer at very fast timescales and the changes aren't reported to OS.
Haven't kept up how Intel now does the same thing, so not as sure about them.

This was the reason AMD wanted people to use Windows Power Plan (that Ryzen Optimized one that came with the chipset drivers) with CPU set to 100% to 100% load, as in Zen1 and Zen2, that fast system got confused when Windows tried to set core clocks.
Zen 3 and Zen 4 don't care anymore and just ignore what OS tells to use as frequency.

[torpid plaza]

what settings would u use?

[sharp oasis]

It's been a week

Well a full work week

And still no responce from asrock Canada

[twin dew]

Why are you trying to contact them?
And in what way?

[sharp oasis]

Rma and the US branch Said they forwarded the issue to asrock canada

[twin dew]

So might be that the US branch forwarding was done wrong.

[sharp oasis]

I sent a follow up today let's see if it has any effect

[gilded helm]

MLID apparently has a big Blackwell rumor video out. So be prepared for the rumor mill to go into overdrive as all the usual websites churn out their SEO content.

[twin dew]

Also, another leak to War Thunder Forums, about Bradley this time.

Again "just" export-restricted stuff.

[gilded helm]

I think Russia captured a Bradley in Ukraine. My mind immediately wondered if it was someone who has their hands on that one.

[twin dew]

Nah, just someone in US getting the stuff (legal for US persons to have) and had posted it onto elsewhere in the net this month.

And someone used few pages for some argument on the War Thunder forums.

[gilded helm]

Because what's a little national security when you've got an internet argument that needs to be settled. 🤠

[visual tree]

Got a brilliant suggestion from my mechanic on how to "cheat" on car emission test: Change your fuel filter before the test if possible and drive for at least 15 minutes on 3.000 RPM (highway would be an ideal place)

I can achieve that by driving around 90 km/h on a highway in 5th or 6th gear

And my 14 year old car passed the test btw

[twin dew]

Just normal thing to heat up the engine.
The people doing the testing will rev the engine for time if the initial result isn't ok until it is or the numbers don't change anymore.

In here I mean.

Because both the engine, oxygen sensors and the catalyzers need to be heated to operating temperature before the test is valid.

And that last one takes time and heat.

[visual tree]

Here, they will test the emissions without revving the engine so there is higher chance of failing the test and you have to retake the test and pay again....

Because profits

They only tell you to leave the engine on during the test but that's not enough imo

[twin dew]

No, the actual testing even specifies what RPM the engine should be on, and idle isn't it.

IIRC somewhere between 1500 and 3000 RPM.

And most cars idle at 750 or so after the engine is hot, 1000-1200 before when it is running fuel rich before the oxygen sensors work etc.

[edgy hazel]

I lied

[wanton orchid]

iirc C6 is fully parked
it will only jump into other state for processing
it is mostly disabled

[twin dew]

Yes, the power usage is very minimal in C6, but the question is what is actually happening behind the scenes.
But it can jump between C6 and C0 faster than the old system changed between frequencies.

Much faster

So I wasn't completely sure, but I did say it is probably (almost?) complete per core power gating.

[wanton orchid]

there is more than gating
a core is not an engine it is a system with its inner resources
basically setting up its registry in parking state

to shut down any useless back processing

[twin dew]

All the other stuff is needed to do the power gating, which removes the power from the parts of the core that can be completely shut down.
And still be able to restart quickly.

[wanton orchid]

I mean hardware ones

[twin dew]

Older CPUs did power gating too, but the restart was SLOW.

And clock gating doesn't give anywhere near same level of power savings.

[wanton orchid]

I mean gating in itself is not effectively disabling anything

[twin dew]

Power gating stops the whole voltage input to the specific core.
So everything behind the power gate is completely disabled.

[wanton orchid]

even for power gating
you reduce preload prefetch and forward caches stuff

oh sorry

I got the word in the wrong way then

[twin dew]

Clock gating disables feeding clock to the core, so it still gets power but doesn't do anything.

[wanton orchid]

that gating ok

[twin dew]

But the parts clock gated still use the static power, just not the dynamic part.

Clock gating keeps the state, power gating doesn't, in the gated parts of the CPU.

So the C6 should be that the important parts of state are just clock gated, and the rest of the core is power gated, probably.

And C1 is probably just clock gating both parts.

[wanton orchid]

as I was following OC on GN YouTube channel
I noticed the engineers was not expecting any power controlled prefetching preloading and forward caches behavior
those plays huge part on power efficiency
and so I felt bad for the cpu
feels like amd CPUs could have even more potential at low level performance

power efficiency is not only about power draw

but also about what you do with the power

[twin dew]

Yes.
But this was just about the power saving modes the current CPUs do when idle.
And why the frequency reported by many softwares is still high.

Even when the CPU core(s) are actually in very low power state.

[wanton orchid]

looks like amd only relies on caching speed catchup when cpu speed goes down to increase efficiency

I'm not talking about frequency

that's the point, it's not about frequency

but about how far you push for potential miss predictions

these cost power

[twin dew]

If you check up, the whole thing was because Frigit last night wondered why two of his P-cores kept very high frequencies, with lot of spikes, in Afterburner(?) graphs, while the system was supposed to be idle.

Part of it is that the Afterburner does polling, so it wakes the CPU and it boosts high to process that request, part of it is because of these changes in how the CPUs idle.

[wanton orchid]

I mean there is also windows stuff going on for the spike part

[twin dew]

And was explaining what current AMD CPUs do on high level.

And that the frequency doesn't really mean anything on them, and that I didn't know how the Intel does the same.

[wanton orchid]

Intel had marketing about doing the same years ago

except the Intel CPUs reported lower frequency to OS

I don't know today

I knew back at skylake

[twin dew]

The much slower old style still in that time I mentioned.
That does report clock speed changes and is partly OS request driven.

tens of ms response time compared to ns timeframe changes in that new AMD system.

Point was that I'm not sure about the 11th-14th gen Intel how close they are to AMD style, or what they use, instead of the "old" system.

[wanton orchid]

but you were also questioning what's going on in C6 state and other stuff
so on the topic about what's going on
I was rambling about amd CPUs not doing preloading /predictive behavior reduction for power saving

3600mhz with every single alu processing for nothing is no near 3600mhz with single queue fetching ops few alu power efficiency

looks like amd optimize the fet use very well
but feels like they still can do better at higher level

[narrow folio]

maybe the engineers are held back by marketing to have stuff to improve over the years?😁

[dire igloo]

Meanwhile Thermalright: our engineering department is our marketing.
There's no better marketing than a good product at an even better price

[twin dew]

They would really need a marketing department too, to actually get the stuff into retail...

If no-one is selling the stuff, it might not exist.

No matter how good it is.

[dire igloo]

Not marketing. Distribution

And they have third party sellers doing that job

[twin dew]

Well, Sales Department.

[sharp oasis]

Thermalright is baller period.

[twin dew]

Grey market isn't Retail.

Difference is in warranty.

[dire igloo]

They cheap out on advertising and documentation (which is a good thing, keeps cost low), but they also cheap out on a proper retail structure

[twin dew]

And when even the official retail partners just cannot get the stuff to sell?

[dire igloo]

Lack of proper retail structure

I just use Amazon tbh, return policy is quite generous

And it's all shipped by them anyway

[night girder]

So, in HWInfo, the effective clock speed for CPU, is just a theoratical one? effective value is the average clock across the polling interval used in HWiNFO.

[twin dew]

Polls the tick count of the specific core.
And calculates how many clock cycles the CPU as actually been active since previous polled number.

[night girder]

I am trying to wrap my head around core clocks (BCLK?) and effective.

[twin dew]

BCLK is Base Clock, just generic clock rate that everything else is derived from.
The there is the Core Clock, which is the speed the core "runs", but as it can be clock gates, and then doesn't actually run, it can do less actual cycles than the official frequency suggests.
That Effective Frequency looks at the actual clock cycles the CPU core has run between two moments in time, and calculates that frequency "rating" from it.

Runs at 1000MHz, but only actually has clock fed to it for half the time, so only runs at effective 500MHz.

And processes same amount of stuff as 500MHz clocked CPU would have.

[night girder]

So, does that means it runs at 1000MHz or at 500MHz (in reality?) What I understand from HWInfo forum, that the new one, effective, is more realistic.

[twin dew]

Runs 1000MHz for half the time, at 0MHz half the time.

With very fast switching between the two as needed.

[night girder]

So, effective is a bit more accurate

Thanks Baldur, what frigidman posted yesterday got me confused.

So I digged into it a bit more and got more confused 🤣

but now it makes sense, windows task manager also uses the core clock speeds and not effective one I think.

[twin dew]

Yes.
That was the whole point, that the "Actual Frequency" doesn't really mean much anymore, and you need to look at the effective to see if the core is idling or not.

[twin dew]

Yes, same for Afterburner etc.

[night girder]

Yeah, exactly what I was investigating

[dire igloo]

Does it still work to spot throttling and track boosting behavior under full load?

[twin dew]

The Core Clocks is the max the core can run at that time.
So yes, if there is some limiter in effect that will drop.
The power savings just can make that the effective is below that current "max".

But for AMD, you also have "clock stretching", if the voltage droops, the core shuts down and the effective frequency drops.
So if you set too low voltage, or use too droopy VDroop curve, you lose performance to that on load changes.

Without getting errors or crashes.

Or even all the time in some cases, as the CPU sees the stable core voltage as too low, when it is asking for X but only getting less because of the intentional vdroop.

Partial idiocy from AMD that their default load line calibration is near 0...
So lot of spikes, and if you set more droopy one, the clock stretching kicks in.

[rotund hamlet]

I haven't used it before, but a friend recommended it

[night girder]

I use dupeguru.voltaicideas.net in a docker container on my NAS. Very good stuff for duplicated images 👍

dupeGuru is a cross-platform (Linux, OS X, Windows) GUI tool to find duplicate files in a system. It’s written mostly in Python 3 and has the peculiarity of using multiple GUI toolkits, all using the same core Python code. On OS X, the UI layer is written in Objective-C and uses Cocoa. On Linux & Windows, it’s written in Python and uses Qt5.

https://github.com/arsenetar/dupeguru/

[soft bloom]

any suggestions on good library to work with timeframes in Python? (or at least date-frames)

i just need something to solve i have a bunch of timeframes, some of them "touch", i need to know which ones are missing to have a complete target timeframe covered, and rn it feels like writing a small lib for trivial problem

the who?

[edgy hazel]

why

cool put some nice pictures in there and put em on the wall

[pure karma]

im so bored of this week bruh can winter break just arive allready so i can finally finish my setup instead of just pushing it back over and over

[jagged snow]

Who said you need to wait for break? Just do it after school

A really well cable managed build doesn't take more than three hours, depending on complexity/skill

[tribal kraken]

Pulled pc-part trigger too, ordered another identical set of 2x32Gb DDR5 kit (F5-6000J3636F16GX2-TZ5RK). Will see how XMP works with those 4 sticks on Z690 Hero.

[jagged snow]

@night girder you take issue with my comment?

Considering I've had some week-long builds in the past its not exactly true but it also doesn't need to take more than three hours

[night girder]

I just find it funny. Took me a day to build this machine and get it up and running. And the cable management is a 4/10 I think 😂. In my defense: I read the manuals. So that takes time

[jagged snow]

I read the manuals for stuff I need to know

[twin dew]

And you don't know if you need to know something in the manual before you read it.

[jagged snow]

I'll skim the section in the gpu manual detailing exactly why it has the best fans ever and how they'll save the world

[jagged snow]

Yeah
I read the entire thing, but skip/skim some sections

[dire igloo]

@twin dew would you rather get a 13600KF and reuse old DDR4 RAM (likely 3200 cl16) or get a 12600KF with new DDR5?

[twin dew]

No real idea right now what the performance difference between those options would be.

[dire igloo]

This is the CPU data that I have. But idk about the RAM portion

[twin dew]

So no comment on which.

Easy to check the CPU side, but the problem is that RAM side, how large difference is there on any 12th-14th gen Intel CPU in games between the specific DDR4 and DDR5 speeds, including the primary latencies in part.

And I'm not going to go looking for that info right now.
There have been some tests about that, but don't remember more than that.
Might have been on Hardware Unboxed?

[dire igloo]

I've seen some benchmark on a 14900K running DDR4-4000 vs DDR5-7200

And this one

[charred pewter]

no, i've not. not sure it really matters so long as something is churning away 15% of core... its enough to keep kicking it into boost mode. until i figure out what is eating cpu time like that

@edgy hazel i figured out why I was getting such shit scores 😆 #off-topic-tech message

[edgy hazel]

yeah had a similar issue after updating my AMD drivers which enabled a framerate cap to 60 and I was so confused why everything felt like shit

[charred pewter]

doh!

this also explains why the 3dmark warning "turn off vsync and gsync" (and when i turned those off) didnt result in any change in score lol ...

it was STILL capping at 144 lol

[night girder]

and you checked W11?

[charred pewter]

this is why having a nice 'clean' install helps figure out stupid problems

[edgy hazel]

depending on how you're set-up it's the fastest solution

[night girder]

I want to know if it was user or OS.

[charred pewter]

i actually ran a test set down to 1080p ... didnt help haha cause it was still capping at 144fps due to RTSS

[edgy hazel]

#off-topic-tech message

[charred pewter]

oh it was user .... user forgetting about a setting that was made a long time ago 😆

[night girder]

user. got it.

[charred pewter]

i always used RTSS to do framelimits, as the one built into nvidia cp was hit or miss

[obtuse geyser]

Do you include desk cable management? Because I'm looking at mine and not seeing it done under 3 hours.

[charred pewter]

3 hours for the cables in a pc... yeah, doable. 3 hours for everything in the office? hAHAHHAHA

its been 3 years and im still working on mine =p

[night girder]

same here

a never ending story

[charred pewter]

indeed

[obtuse geyser]

not even talking about office building. talking about my private desk in my home.
... that happens to have a desktop, two laptops, two screens, a tv, 5.1 crappy speakers and whatever else I'm forgetting...

[charred pewter]

and im always annoyed, cause when i need to go dust/clean... im like ... ya know, it would be better if these cables were this way ... oh wait, that messes those up... erg, i need 1 foot longer... time to order more

[obtuse geyser]

I have my cables in handmade velcro sleeves. keeps them together, only need to dust off the velcro... but now I need to replace some cables and uh, thats gonna hurt

[charred pewter]

then i see 3 cables, and 1 cable is a slightly different thicknes... now i want all three to look the same, so i need 3 whole new cables ...

[night girder]

I got a macbook, two monitors, a dac, two yamaha monitor speakers, a desktop, a USB hub, a ethernet adapter, a NAS and a switch.

all together

I tucked away the cables under the desk for now, out of sight 😛

[obtuse geyser]

I have several cables dangling by my feet bc they were addedcafter velcro was zipped up

[night girder]

but the switch has 5 ethernet cables running from it and it's not clean

but that's a worry for another time 😄

[obtuse geyser]

unsolicited pc pic - the "birthcord"

there is 3 or 4 more behind desk, for each screen and laptop, going into common 'cable exchange tray'.
braiding it into the tray probably was not my brightest idea.

[charred pewter]

so now (after repeated failed attempts for windows activation) ... ive got this lower right corenr watermark saying to activate windows... AND that even shows up over games now too... and windows, and interfaces, and steam chat

whats odd, is my HTPC downstairs, i didnt register windows on it... just letting it run in freebie mode (i mean why bother?) ... but it has no watermark! and its been running for over a year straight like that

[obtuse geyser]

do you have microsoft account logged into pc?

[charred pewter]

yeah, prolly why huh, my htpc is just in local user mode, no msn account

[obtuse geyser]

I got my main pc auto activate licence by just logging in. Do you have a sticker for the pc?

[night girder]

your HWID is stored in a DB, when clean install, Windows checks DB with HWID, if you registered once, Windows automatically activates license.

[scarlet cave]

dang this computer hates me

all I did was disable csm support to enable secure boot now it doesn't have image

[twin dew]

If the specific MB has ever been activated before, it autoactivates again when it gets internet.
And if you have specific type of retail lisence for Windows, it is tied to your MS Account and activates computers in specific cases, not sure what the limits are how many you can have activated like that at one time.

[charred pewter]

well, from reading ... MS killed all the old windows 7 keys that were upgraded to win10/11 digital licenses... which is what my original key is, a win7 key that i had upgraded. but since they killed those.... my msn account wont re-activate this new motherboard

[obtuse geyser]

it sure is weird. I have moved several (two) sticker licenses between computers, they were supposed to be oem but had stickers and normally activated.

[night girder]

Once a system is activated, this activation cannot be removed because the license is stored in the Microsoft servers and not in the user’s system. MS checks the hardware ID (HWID) and if a license is found in their database, the system will automatically activate.

[obtuse geyser]

try going to change key and punch the original sticker key. it may work.

[twin dew]

Because the old Win7-Win8.1 keys get converted into Retail ones for Win10 and 11.

Even OEM ones.

[charred pewter]

yeah, i tried putting the key in manual again... it churned (cpus 100%) for about 3 minutes. then was like "nope"

[night girder]

in august/september MS made some changes to activation of licenses.

[charred pewter]

so the license i HAD on my account, just kinda vanished with my prio motherboard... even though ive removed that HWID device from the account (which should have freed up the license to apply to another).

[twin dew]

Just disabled activating Win10 and 11 with pre-Win10 keys.

[night girder]

Kinda. Since it still worked 😒 I was able to upgrade W7 key.

[charred pewter]

i mean, this all worked this way LAST year, but this year.... ms changed something acouple months ago (according to reading on reddit... if thats a source to go by)

[night girder]

👆

[charred pewter]

yah

[obtuse geyser]

you do not happen to have the 'generated' key written down?

[charred pewter]

i was going to be like 'meh'... but now this watermark is showing up on top of games now... so its like ... ok, i need to do something lol .... (what that something is, well... teehee)

[obtuse geyser]

you could try the media creation tool that takes windows key and downloads correct win10 version.

[charred pewter]

i have the digital 'proof' key, but ive not run across anything that lets me input that anywhere during the processes

[wanton orchid]

and that system does not even works correctly btw
it very consistently failed with builds I touched

[wanton orchid]

if you have the key itself you should be able to enter in windows activation menu

[charred pewter]

the original key is win7, and ms isnt accepting it anymore it appears

[wanton orchid]

though it will likely give you a random error like ms know to do it 🤡

[charred pewter]

yup 😄 its a nice 0x37403974092730293290 error

[jagged snow]

Oh no, that's an extra month or two

If it ever gets don't, that is

[charred pewter]

well hm

i do have another key in my notes... labeled "Windows 8.1" .... i tried entering it, and it immediately took it but then said "Upgrade windows?" ... but im already on windows11 ... so i hit 'cancel'. no idea what that key is gonna do LOL

dont want it trying to install windows 8.1 lol

[twin dew]

Probably Pro key and you are on Home Windows.

[charred pewter]

ah, yeah i dont want pro ....

[twin dew]

So it would install the Pro parts.

Why not?
Straight upgrade over Home.

[charred pewter]

i thought pro includes a bunch of junk that starts getting in the way of gaming and simple use

like "use windows home, not pro" for gaming rigs

[twin dew]

No.
Just additional features that you need to configure for them to do anything.

Just not NEEDED for personal computer for most part.
Group Policy Editor etc. are nice.

[stray badger]

HyperV

[charred pewter]

HydroX

[jagged snow]

It includes vm support & remote desktop out of the box as well

[charred pewter]

hm

more features to disable ... i see 😄

whats the worst that can happen, i have to clean wipe start over?

[twin dew]

Not really?
As they are all opt-in.
Allow you to configure stuff that is forced on Home mostly.

[charred pewter]

k

[twin dew]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_editions#Comparison_chart
Windows 11 is close.

None of the extra stuff is on by default AFAIK.

[charred pewter]

google seems to confirm that theres no resource drain for pro ...

lets see what this key does

[twin dew]

Well, running the OS inside HyperV is default on both, just on Home you cannot run additional VMs too, like you can on Pro.

[charred pewter]

🤔 i cant seem to find my hologram box with this key on it, so now im wondering where tf this key came from in my notes....... ugh.

i found my win7 box ...

[charred pewter]

moving on ...

cable management ....i need to fix my mess i have for my macbook ...

its just ... bleah all over my desk ...

also need to get that old viewsonic on a VESA mount so i can get the stupid stand off my desk too lol

[tough owl]

M1/M2 MacBook 😍

[charred pewter]

its just the M1

but one with MAGLOCK ...

really wish that anker hub came with a longer cable =p

and i need to find a NEW ssd enclosure that comes with usb-c so i can ditch the convertor

my 'tech shelf' is overflowing 😦

how do you guys get rid of old tech ... ebay?? generally ok experience?

[night girder]

Apple OS sucks more and more. Just now my mouse just dissapeared. Had to cmd + Q everything to get the cursor back 😂

[edgy hazel]

Disagree but ok

[night girder]

Yeah, I guess people who use OS for long periods (a decade) see the changes.

[edgy hazel]

well yea true I've been only on it for like 7-8 years

[night girder]

bring it to a recycle park, can't find the english name. We have special places we can bring tech too, they get out components that can be reused etc.

All the metals they can salvage they try to melt too and recycle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_mining

[charred pewter]

somehow im not sure muricans have it ?

[night girder]

Pretty sure you have it. Just don't know it.

[charred pewter]

too much junk!! AGGG ....

[night girder]

🤷‍♂️

[edgy hazel]

you can reduce that to like 1/4 by removing the boxes lmao

[charred pewter]

we have recycling hubs.... where they take recyling materials...

[night girder]

boxes keep it clean and organized.

[charred pewter]

without boxes, i wouldnt be able to stack much of anything! LOL

each of those motherboards still have a cpu and ram stuck on them .. heh

er, except the z87a ... thats being used as the htpc right now

[charred pewter]

then everything gets more and more dusty over time 😆

[tough owl]

Cabinet

[sharp oasis]

Still gets dusty

Boxes are the best bet

[edgy hazel]

how shitty are your cabinet doors

[night girder]

don't cabinet door shame

[edgy hazel]

bro buys them made by tesla

[sharp oasis]

Regular cabinet doors tf you mean.

[edgy hazel]

okay explain to me how dust gets in then

[sharp oasis]

No clue but it seems to get in anyway

[edgy hazel]

yes if you have like 1cm gaps

[sharp oasis]

I mean there aren't gaps. I guess the cable routing holes in the cabinet is letting dust ib

[night girder]

🍿

[sharp oasis]

In

But those are positioned to the back of the cabinet against the wall

[charred pewter]

heheh

[edgy hazel]

bro got a dust spawner in his cabinet

[charred pewter]

unless the cabinent doors come with gaskets... shit inside gets dusty

[sharp oasis]

Exactly

[edgy hazel]

but very very slow

[night girder]

well, you cannot prevent dust. You can reduce it.

[sharp oasis]

I donr have airtight cabinets it's still gonna get in anyway

[edgy hazel]

and we also all know that boxes don't get dusty

[charred pewter]

heck, ive found dust INSIDE some boxes since they didnt tighly close all around the edges 😉

and then yeah, the layer of dust on the outside of the box

but if they are all stacked... only the TOP boxes get dusty 😄

[night girder]

I try to vacuum clean every 2-3 days. Ideal, I want a robot. But those will get stuck atm.

[edgy hazel]

get one of those air purifiers

[night girder]

you think they work efficiently?

[edgy hazel]

it's just a fan and a filter if you're concerned about power

[night girder]

No, I am worried about it consuming power.

and after a month, collect 5 dust particles 😂

[edgy hazel]

but for dust, if properly specced you'll never have to dust ever again

(or only like once a year)

[night girder]

Ah, I should look into medical ones. They should be quality. And more QA.

[obtuse geyser]

Boxes are fine, provided the board fits inside with the stock headsink installed.

[jagged snow]

I use one to filter smoke/dust in the summer and it's quite effective for a smallish room

And the filters collect a lot f visible dust

[night girder]

Oh interesting. I will need to look into it. I would be happy if it could just collect dust around my PC area 🙂

I always sleep with my windows open at night, so I assume dust comes in with it.

[night girder]

Wtf 😂

[charred pewter]

only one of my boards fits like this... but they stopped providing stock heatsinks now on newer intels i have 😦

[charred pewter]

gotta love windows...... (with a note on the screen "do not power down your computer until finished")

[dusk rivet]

this is the moment where you pray your ups will last long enough

[night girder]

Another reason why I like to have control on when to update and install. If you have pro you can disable auto updates.

[sharp oasis]

Yeah

[sharp oasis]

My updates take 5min tops

I donr have a UPS tho

[dusk rivet]

ups is honestly a must

[sharp oasis]

I am buying one soon

[night girder]

eh, just don't update when there is a thunderstorm?

[dusk rivet]

especially if you live in a rural area with frequent power flashes

[sharp oasis]

I have a surge protector

[dusk rivet]

still nice even if you're just playing a game

[night girder]

well yeah, depending on how frequently you have powercuts.

[dusk rivet]

i have a ups on my pc and wifi router, so if the power goes out for a couple seconds i can keep playing like nothing happened

[sharp oasis]

I also live in a village with pretty much stable power

I'm more scared of a bios update going bad

At any time

[night girder]

personally it seems a bit of overkill to me. But I don't know, it does make sense to get one if you got the money and room for it.

[dusk rivet]

you can get a decent one for 40usd, and they aren't too big

theres a total of 3 in my house

[night girder]

oh, that's not much

[dusk rivet]

though that's cause we have pretty consistent power outages and flashes

[sharp oasis]

I probably will get one with the next build

[night girder]

oof that sucks 😒

[sharp oasis]

As it's a much more expensive build

[dusk rivet]

little bit of peace of mind never hurts

[night girder]

true

but like for a gaming PC + NAS and a long cut out, one would need a good UPS no?

[dusk rivet]

my ups with a ps4 next to it

[night girder]

Like how long would they last.

[dusk rivet]

with my pc and one monitor i can get maybe 10-15 minutes on the ups

though that's with the pc idling

if it's under load that's a whole different story

it also has a built in surge protector

[jagged snow]

The typical expectation is that they last just long enough for you to save work etc & shut down safely

[dusk rivet]

yeah that's usually what they're meant for

or just to bridge a short power outage

[jagged snow]

If you want something that allows you to work for an hour or more, you'd be looking more in the 200usd range

[night girder]

or a generator 😂

[dusk rivet]

the exact one i have is 80usd

[jagged snow]

True, just a pain for mantineance & fueling

[dusk rivet]

(i didn't pick it or pay for it)

[night girder]

Yeah, I agree.

[jagged snow]

And also not permitted in some areas

[night girder]

yeah, ok. Now a UPS makes a whole lot more sense.

[jagged snow]

Yeah

[sharp oasis]

1kwh battery lol

[jagged snow]

I've really considered it since I've lost probably several hundred dollars worth of time/work from power outages

[night girder]

would be good for my NAS tbh.

[dusk rivet]

600VA / 330W Battery Power
23 Minutes Runtime at 100 watts
5 Battery Backup Plugs
2 Surge-Only Plugs
1 # USB Charging Ports

specs for the exact one i have

[jagged snow]

So you could get nearly half an hour of runtime at idle with reasonable power consumption from the monitors

[night girder]

but like my PC can draw 750W, if I am gaming and there is a power cut, the UPS needs to handle it no?

[dusk rivet]

that's plenty of time to save what you're doing and shut it down properly

[sharp oasis]

UPS wouldn't handle my next build wile gaming for very long

[night girder]

Worst case scenario, my PC shuts down I guess

[jagged snow]

Yeah
But even at 750w, that ups could theoretically last for 5-6 minutes
Long enough to game through a short power cut or to save & quit the game

Unfortunately, most of them don't have more than a 500w inverter unless you pay for a more expensive model

[dusk rivet]

also not the best value ups

[sharp oasis]

800w of power draw plus monitors and perif.

[night girder]

Oof.

[jagged snow]

I sit right at 300w for everything when gaming

Maybe a little more

[sharp oasis]

Tho that's projected full load power

[night girder]

Yeah, I should check at my average consumption while gaming.

[sharp oasis]

Gaming should be somewhere in the 400s

Mabey 500s

[night girder]

yeah, I was thinking worst case scenario. (theoretically)

2400W 👌

[charred pewter]

im topping around 520 w as measured between PC and Wall

[night girder]

not sure how much my NAS consumes

[charred pewter]

SHOULD be low.... like 10w low

my pc idles (at boost clock) around 80W ... since I cant get it to drop its clocks down consistently due to that oddball background idle activity on cores5/6

its consistent whatever it is! and its ALWAYS core 5 and 6...

[dusk rivet]

that’s legit bigger than my planned pc build

[sharp oasis]

Seehs

[charred pewter]

@night girder a 1000w UPS would do fine though, as if you have a power cut you think will last more than 10 minutes, you can simply quit the game and power your PC down... then it would run a lot longer

without my displays running and pc.... my router/modem/switches will run off my UPS for ... uhh it says 48 minutes

[night girder]

Turbo Boost Max 3.0 speed applies to two favored cores. It’s only achievable if the CPU is running below its power, current and temperature specifications.

So maybe those two cores are just working on whateverf your PC is doing?

[charred pewter]

🤷 its different behavior than my 12600k ... which had p-cores and e-cores

[night girder]

Yeah, probably not it.

[charred pewter]

on the 12600, i would see SOME idle activity only when i would leave the pc alone and the display slept (like windows saw i wasnt using the pc, so it started indexing)... but that would go away when i bump the mouse, all cores would flatline since nothing is happening then

[charred pewter]

this behavior, this is like ... constant. always.... no matter what, and always those two cores

🥸

I HAS MALWARE! thats it... has to be it .... ok, time to boot off my 'clean' win11 install again and see if i can figure it out

[night girder]

do a safe boot

[charred pewter]

how do i do that again?

[night girder]

support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/start-your-pc-in-safe-mode-in-windows-92c27cff-db89-8644-1ce4-b3e5e56fe234

[edgy hazel]

it was *shift * during boot right?

ah yes:
On the Windows sign-in screen, press and hold the Shift key while you select Power > Restart .

[charred pewter]

its still doing it as well on my total clean windows 11 test ssd

[night girder]

so not software

[charred pewter]

same behavior, same cores

maybe software... as in, windows11 itself

[night girder]

well a clean install and still same behavior? + safe boot.

[charred pewter]

hm

[night girder]

does your bios have a way to check cpu usage?

[charred pewter]

not that i see

just overall temp currently while in bios

interesting, so this 'fresh install' of win11... decided to do its 'behind the scenes house keeping' since i have not touched the mouse/kb for about 15 minutes... im seeing that old normal 'weird activity' when the computer should* be idle. bumped the mouse and that odd activity ceased instantly.... BUT, that new always-going-core-5/6-activity remains

so the new thing, is not that typical win11 housekeeping .... interesting ... wtf is this 😄

[night girder]

check CPU with other mobo?

I mean, the system is stable so I wouldn't worry immediately

[charred pewter]

i dont know if the cpu would even work on the z690

and yeah, its stable ... its just got this WEIRD idle activity

wierd "new" idle activity that i never saw with the 12600k's p and e cores

im betting its some glitch and a bios update in a month or two will fix it

or even a windows11 update in a month or two will stop doing whatever the fuck its doing with scheduling 😄

[edgy hazel]

Bro an autistic member of lapsus got sentenced to LIFE for leaking gta 6 clips. Until a doctor clears him which will be difficult due to his condition

Getting life sentence for leaking gta 6 clips is actually insane

[tough owl]

rockstar aint messin around

[edgy hazel]

18 year old too

Gta 6 will be 🏴‍☠️

Fuck Rockstar

[charred pewter]

seriously ?

[night girder]

The court heard that Kurtaj had been violent while in custody with dozens of reports of injury or property damage.

There is a bit more context to it.

He will remain at a secure hospital for life unless doctors deem him no longer a danger.

[edgy hazel]

severely autistic person gets violent when in custody

surprised everyone

[night girder]

I mean there is hope. If the doctors are able to work with him and calm him down.

[edgy hazel]

not in a prison hospital

[charred pewter]

do people not understand autism?

[edgy hazel]

they are actually worse than a prison

[night girder]

I mean, it sucks. But so does getting hacked.

[charred pewter]

sometimes i think... boy it sure would be nice to be stuck in solitary for months ... not dealing with people, or work, or life...

[edgy hazel]

pleading mental health is like the worst thing you can do

[night girder]

hacked Rockstar for 5 million dollar damage*, violent with dozens of reports, ...

[edgy hazel]

violence in custody

absolutely no surprise in his situation

[night girder]

I am also not surprised he got this sentence.

[edgy hazel]

he wasn't even able to get represented in court

[edgy hazel]

why

because he has a mental health crisis in custody?

or because he caused MONETARY damage to a million dollar company

[night girder]

cause the court is rational and cold. They put him in a hospital in the hopes to work on the mental health issues. If he is no longer a danger for society, he gets a trial.

if the hospital fails, that's not the courts problem, from their perspective, they did their job.

Is this a fair system? I don't think so. But I am not surprised.

[edgy hazel]

it's not a hospital. Prison hospital and actual hospital are two very different things

[night girder]

Still, he isn't fully innocent either.

[night girder]

I've never been in an UK secure hospital

[edgy hazel]

life for an 18 year old for monetary damage is insane

[night girder]

with a chance to get released

although I highly doubt it. Even if he clears the hospital. He still gotta go to trial I think?

[edgy hazel]

there is no word on if they do the trail again. The original trial is done and he got sentenced

[night girder]

note to self: never hack rockstar

[tough owl]

or anyone without permission

[night girder]

depends

[edgy hazel]

Noone except shareholders got hurt. Life is crazy

[tough owl]

https://www.ign.com/articles/sensitive-military-documents-appear-on-war-thunder-forums-again

[edgy hazel]

warthunder players doing gods work

[sharp oasis]

Called asrock. Went to voicemail.

Left a message

[edgy hazel]

write an email

[sharp oasis]

I've already written another email today

[edgy hazel]

do they have a support portal?

[sharp oasis]

Nope

Only thru email

[edgy hazel]

I assume you already went through the process with the store you bought it from?

[sharp oasis]

Asrock us has a support portal and I had some help from them but they still need the Canadian division to talk.

[sharp oasis]

Newegg has no other help other then give me asrocks support info

[edgy hazel]

welp time to wait then

[gilded helm]

Talk to your provincial Dept. of Justice.

I got a check from Lenovo for filling out a web form with my State DOJ.

[sharp oasis]

I mean it's been two weeks without a word from asrock canada

Asrock USA responds but Canada. Nope

Even on open office hours

[gilded helm]

Yes, contact your government, and tell them your warranty isn't being honored if that's the case. That got Lenovo's ass in gear for me.

[sharp oasis]

Shit aight.

As this is attempt 2 to get warranty from asrock

So yeah I'll prolly do that here next week if it still hasent had any response from asrock canada

[gilded helm]

In my case, I wrote that I felt like Lenovo was trying to run out the clock on my 1 year warranty, to not provide meaningful service. Lenovo cut me a check for the cost of the 4 year extended warranty.

[sharp oasis]

Mabey asrock is trying to do the same. Like I only have warranty till January iirc

[gilded helm]

I actually like this laptop so I did opt to spend the money on the 4 year warranty. because that turns into a 6 year warranty with my Citi Rewards+

[sharp oasis]

That or I have 1 year I think it's 1 year

[gilded helm]

1 year is law on new products pretty much everywhere.

[sharp oasis]

Bur it makes no sence why it's been several emails and now a phone call and still nothing from asrock canada

[gilded helm]

SO it won't be less than 1 year

[sharp oasis]

If the warrany is this hard to get I won't be buying asrock again

And I kinda like their stuff

[gilded helm]

Ultimately all customer service is bad until you find a way to penetrate the first layers.

As much of a PITA as it was at first, Lenovo ultimately sent a tech to replace my laptop's mainboard and cut me that check. And now I have a history of issues, so that's hopefully a few skips in the line the next time something goes wrong, including them possibly just sending a newer better machine.

The mobile 5900HX and 3080 are holding up fine though, really what I want is just stability.

[charred pewter]

stinky weasel beams !

[charred pewter]

2 + 2 = 7

totally

hahaha

[gilded helm]

I have a $20 gift card for Newegg, but I just can't find anything I want. Anything that starts to tempt me, I'd pay just as much overall on Amazon due to the price difference, and often for a better product too.

[narrow folio]

now that's optimistic 😄

[dusk rivet]

for all of three seconds i thought you were running it at that speed

those were a beautiful three seconds

[narrow folio]

anyway, even expo 1 doesn't boot... so I'll try manual settings

even at the rated 6000 the ram won't kick into gear. so maybe a bit more voltage or just relaxing the frequency/timings a bit will help

[jagged snow]

Watching YouTube for the first time in a while and in a 15-minute video there was three 20-second unskippable adds

[tough owl]

my beloved

crazy

[narrow folio]

the like/dislike ratio was a good indication of quality of how-to videos

[charred pewter]

fixed

[gilded helm]

Huh. Buy cheap get burned. Testing a noname brand (Lisen) USB-C cables
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CG1LGWR6

My friend got these, but in trying multiple battery banks and my laptop, they can't output much juice.

My Anker cables work fine.

[gilded helm]

Actually, hold up, this is getting weird. Those cables work some of the time. And either they all work, or none of them work.

But my Anker cables work 100% of the time.

We're just plugging and unplugging them over and over to test with the meter on my Anker hub.

www.anker.com/products/a9128-6-in-1-charging-station

The Anker cables shoot right to 91W~ when I plug them into my laptop, every time. The Lisen cables work only some of the time, and during the times they work, all of them work.

[tough owl]

i bought a cheap no name right angle usbc cabe thats a meter long, says its good for usb3.2 and 8k video but it cant even do 20MB/s file transfer

https://a.co/d/3nUvKxR aint worth it

[gilded helm]

I still go cheap on all audio cables and adapters. At least there's no logic in play for those. USB-C cables need charging logic, so there's room for wonkiness I guess.

THese are the Anker cables, I got 6'
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CCXT4QZR

[tough owl]

I just dont like buying anker

and I have a tb3 cable that i mainly use for everything, was just trying different cables to see why my external ssd enclosure wont pickup on my iphone

[gilded helm]

I ended up buying Anker incidentally here. I could find a better power strip USB hub combo. Then for cables I wanted 240W and anything above USB2 speeds. Only 5gbs, but I figure if I ever need a high data cable, I'll get one for that purpose.

I am looking at my portable touchscreen options, incidentally. It's probably best to just buy a whole Android tablet.

[tough owl]

sadly

[tough owl]

do these cables only do 5gbps?

[gilded helm]

Right

[tough owl]

oh 2.0 only nvm I can read

[gilded helm]

Though I haven't tested them yet. The only way I would have to test whether they can actually do 5gbps is transferring stuff from my phone to my laptop

If anyone knows an NVMe enclosure they would recommend, I'm looking it upgrading my backup situation. This is another thing where it shouldn't be complicated, but this recent experience has made me paranoid.

[tough owl]

I can reccomend the one I have, I can also give drive speeds from the ssd thats I have in it

[twin dew]

Might also be too low VSOC or VDDP if you have those on manual and not auto.
Or MB might boost FCLK too high if it isn't manually set.

[gilded helm]

What you got? Bonus points if I can use that $20 Newegg gift card I have

[tough owl]

https://www.newegg.com/orico-m2pv-enclosure/p/0VN-0003-001R5

should be the same as this https://a.co/d/cHB18r0

[twin dew]

As continuation:
My current CPU was Core Cycler "stable" at:
-29, -23, -24, -20, -27, -29, -29, -26.
And it was all-core "stable" at:
-28, -19, -19, -14, -18, -25, -22, -17.
But still testing partial core loads and currently at:
-27, -18, -16, -09, -17, -23, -18, -12.

So very big differences on some of the cores.
And for the all-core stability, would only have needed to drop the CO of the worst core (8) to that -17.
But I was already testing partial core loads too at that point.
So if I had only run Core Cycler and all-core, I would currently be at:
-29, -23, -24, -20, -27, -29, -29, -17.
And would be complaining about random crashes in some programs.

[sharp oasis]

Yeah makes sence

[twin dew]

Worst core, as in the one asking for most voltage when loaded, even with that -17 CO.

Cause is that with more cores loaded, the voltage drops and spikes as load change are higher.
And as the AMD loadline is too tight, the core gets too low voltage when the load kicks in again, and the voltage drops down for a moment, if the CO is too aggressive.

But as all the cores get the same voltage that the worst currently active core asks, you don't notice that for the better cores on all-core.

When in this case the worst core asks for about 50mV more than the best core.

Getting all-core core-cycler would be so nice...
And even better would be configurable core one.

Now I have to run core-cycler on all cores.
Then add static load to best core, run core-cycler on rest of the cores.
Then add static load to two best cores, run core-cycler on rest of the cores.
And so on.
With different settings and cooling performance (because the voltage fed has temperature and frequency dependant steps).

[sharp oasis]

I may do this

Tho I donr seem to have stability issues

Tho ther then Radeon drivers being fucked for Dx11 titles

[twin dew]

Might need to disable DXNAVI for DX11.

nimez-dxswitch.pages.dev/NzDXSwitch

So you would want DX9 NAVI with Regular DX11.

[sharp oasis]

Oh

As JC3 normally a semi stable experience crashes within 3min of startup

[twin dew]

And in this the best core isn't the core preference order, but the Core VID values in HWiNFO with "Snapshot CPU Polling" enabled in Main Settings.
When the cores are all-core loaded with the next test.

Which then shows the per core voltage requests, highest which is then used by the VRM.

[edgy hazel]

All tests are done for this year. End me

[night girder]

I am confused. If the core asks more, shouldn't you increase the offset instead of decrease?

[twin dew]

Negative offset.
Less is nearer to stock.

[night girder]

1.20V + 0.05 CO = 1.25V?

[night girder]

Ok, that is confusing lol.

[twin dew]

So if stock was 1.00V, and CO was -10, and each CO step was 2mV, the result would be 0.980V.

The step size isn't fixed in mV.

[night girder]

So yeah, you giving the core less V when idle 😒 And then when load it jumps to 1.00V?

[twin dew]

At all points of the frequency-voltage curve.
Undervolting to make it use less power, less heat and so turbo higher.

And that makes it so hard to test, as the instability can be at any point of the 3d, per-core, curve.

As it also uses temperature as one of the inputs to the table.

[night girder]

When I read this, I would assume you would have added CO.

[night girder]

I can relate a little bit (my test was GW2 and let it run for hours).

[twin dew]

That was just about the difference between cores.
The best core voltage wise is the core 0, with -27.
Worst core is the core 7, with -12 right now.
But the core 3 with -9, uses less voltage than the core 7 with -12, or the core 6 with -18.

The CO is offset, to whatever the AMD per core made table would otherwise set.

And that table is different per core, and per CPU.

[night girder]

but with this CO you got everything stable?

[twin dew]

Don't know yet.
Still testing.

Did the AVX512+HT at 100% fan tests with Prime95 and Y-cruncher.
Now doing the same with SSE+HT.

1h per core per cores in use.

[night girder]

Do you think these tests are healthy for hardware? Constantly putting hardware under extreme pressure with tools does sound like a way to reduce hardware quality quicker than normal use.

[twin dew]

No more or less as any other load.

[night girder]

I doubt it. More heat. Fans spinning more, so more rotations etc, less lifespan of fans 😛

[twin dew]

Of the same level of usage and temperature

[night girder]

I am talking about: using tools daily to OC a computer vs just game with the computer (over long time periods).

Not talking occasionally testing your hardware.

[twin dew]

Changing temperature is more damaging than constant.
No matter the load.

[night girder]

In my head I think: this hardware should have been QA for this.

On the other hand: it's tech companies

[twin dew]

This is OC stability testing.
Not normal.

[night girder]

Interesting.

[twin dew]

Undervolting is OC.
Using Curve Optimizer in negative direction is undervolting.

[night girder]

I know.

but tools like: 3DMark, Y-cruncher, memtest86, they interact with hardware differently than normal computer use.

Just wondered if it had an impact on the hardware.

That if I run these things for days and days, the quality/lifespan of my PC would be the same as if I gamed for days.

[twin dew]

Active silicon cares about voltage differences, temperature for the die degradation, and temperature difference/change related physical stresses.
Not the load itself, just the effects of the load to those.

[night girder]

Ok 👍

[twin dew]

So the low fan speed "hot boxing" causes more degradation than normal, the 100% fan at all times causes somewhat more of that physical stress in some cases, but real usage would have more of those changes from the fan speed changes.
Same for the fans, running at same speed is better than changing speed, no matter the static speed when above very low ones.

As I will be running the same tests again with fixed 20% CPU fan speed after the 100% fan speed ones are done.

[soft bloom]

Any idea why Ubuntu might take about a minute running with black screen when turning off sometimes?

On the topic of fans: i have this weird deepcool fan that constantly rapidly speeds up and stops with soemthing like 3 second period

No, all amd

[cinder moon]

Is there anything of note in system logs?
journalctl -r -b -1

And does hitting esc do anything? 'silent' boot param might still be in effect at this stage, hiding the text output while shutting down.
I believe 90 seconds is the time it takes to wait for a stopped job, like a disk that can't be unmounted.

[edgy hazel]

Thank god it still hasn't changed at all I love it

[mental oriole]

🤣

Very clever.

[soft bloom]

Sometimes. I don't have much space for linux system (my work quickly eats it, and i reserve some).
But generally i decided to separate gaming to be primarily on windows, in dual boot.

[soft bloom]

I think it might be something with didk now... Cause w8ndows recently told me it needs restart to repair driver 🙂
But that thing on linux occurs rarely but for along time...
And yesterday i, for whatever reason, forced shutdown at that moment - and so it couldn't boot Ubuntu back. Surprisingly, windows fixed it with disk check.

I think maybe ntfs hdd that is mounted to both os is the source of rpoblem because beforenboth events i ran ntfsfix on it cause Ubuntu again, mounted it in ro mode

Ye, the kin dof thing i do works better on Linux (but on windows should be fine too, anaconda tries to be friendly). But omg, even on linux i run into "file ame too long" issue. I need some solution to browse rpoduced files i guess.

[cinder moon]

The maximum file name length will be based on the filesystem, not the OS. 😛

[pure karma]

this channel really does make you feel like that as a windows user dosent it

[night girder]

Answering "maybe" to a "what do you think ..." question 😂

[cinder moon]

I'm finding that many tech spaces are being dominated with Linux discussions in the last few years.

[night girder]

"What do you think about the AMD?" ... "Maybe."

[cinder moon]

When given a boolean question, answer with 0.5.

[pure karma]

yea in general linux has invaded the convos in the space more

[cinder moon]

It might be that Windows simplifications have driven people away, and Linux desktops are becoming ever better. Plus with Proton, switching becomes so simple.

[pure karma]

just feels like the public view of it went from ha stoooopid to hey now... linux may not be that bad in what feels like barely 3 years

[soft bloom]

Anyway, i was 5rying to support windows as well with all its stupid limitations...
And then i hit limit on linux, which suprusingly includes the whole path, haha.

[cinder moon]

To me, switching from Windows 10 to Linux Mint felt like when you leave a noisy room full of chatter to a quiet empty space, and can just..relax.

[night girder]

Checked curves? DC fan? Checked fan manual?

[cinder moon]

AC fan? DC fan? ACDC fan?

[soft bloom]

Yeah, at the time, DRG with protin (it wasn't natuve support by the game at the time) ran better thatn just windows

[cinder moon]

Iirc Valheim does that too. Though native vs native.

You have (or at least had) to use workarounds to get it to perform on Windows due to usual Windows quirks.

[soft bloom]

Funny thing is that it doesn't care about curve. So even in flat line config it jumps 0-100-0
Idk if it even has manual... Simple fan with 3 pins

Motherboard can opertae with it in dc, pwm and xauto" modes

[night girder]

modern pmw are 4 pins. So it sounds like you got DC/AC fan

[soft bloom]

Btw, is opengl rip?

[soft bloom]

Ok, i need to check once i get back. But strabgely it's only 1 fan like this in a bunch of 3

[night girder]

all 3 the same brand?

[soft bloom]

Probably that's ehy it get limited ups

[night girder]

Ok, that's weird. Is it connected to a hub? Check the connections to the motherboard to see if it's in the right slot.

[cinder moon]

Unity I think?

[cinder moon]

How do you mean?

[soft bloom]

Bought 3 of same model. But mb also connects to 4th other fan and cpu, ofcourse. I think i left "pump" port alone...

[night girder]

What motherboard you have?

[soft bloom]

I think there were tomes when gaming on linux required opengl, and now the only thing i can remember that runs on opengl is TF2. Vulkan is the new thing that replaced it?..

[soft bloom]

Msi b450 max, or something close to that

[cinder moon]

In time we might see OpenGL drivers dropped from modern driver stacks, but we have projects like Zink which implement OpenGL on Vulkan.

And they're getting pretty good at it already.

[soft bloom]

Directly to mb. What do you "right" slot? I see fan's actual speed graph in UEFI

Oh, right. Some use opengl for ml and stuff

[night girder]

When you plug a 3-pin (Non-PWM) fan to a fan connector in PWM mode, the fan speed will always maintain at 100%

From the manual.

[twin dew]

That mode is setting in the BIOS.

[night girder]

You can switch between PWM mode and DC mode and adjust fan speed in BIOS > HARDWARE MONITOR

[soft bloom]

Critical knowledge unlocked: i remember it was consistent before i tried to tune it up a little (winter...)
Idk why i gave up making it stable - perhaps hoped it would get better after reboot. But sometimes i still notice its noise of 0-100-0 loop

[twin dew]

But that stopping and starting would suggest that the voltage is either too low (needs to be in DC mode with curve), or that the fan is broken.

[twin dew]

Or the specific output is broken.

[soft bloom]

I would like that to be so... Its a pretty silent fan anyway. But it jumps 😦

[night girder]

You could try different connector. To make sure it's not the connector.

[twin dew]

Because like said, 3-pin fan on 4-pin header on PWM control mode would run the fan at 100% with no control.

[soft bloom]

Ye, ye. Thatcs where i was adjusting its speed (flatline) and seeing the graph of its speed.

[twin dew]

Test one of the working fans on the connector that the jumping fan on, and the jumping fan on connector a working fan was on.
Like Letter said.

To see if it is the MB output or the fan.

[soft bloom]

I need to check if i used pump port...

[soft bloom]

What if i screwed it up with changing the level of desired speed (voltage) in uefi?..

[twin dew]

Then you just change it again?

[soft bloom]

Priced?

[twin dew]

Only way the MB control can cause the behavior, is if the minimum voltage is too low.

[soft bloom]

I remeber getting anxiety last time i put effort into making it work as desired, and than giving up, levaing in just "stable whatever" mode 🙂

[soft bloom]

Minimum for the fan, or you mean md giving too few power?

Why so many... Anyway i use 4.
Got to invest into LVM mirroring

[twin dew]

The curve going too low.
Which lowers the voltage in DC fan mode.
And each fan has minimum voltage they can run on.

Going below 50% for DC is often bad idea.

[soft bloom]

Thatcs fun part - at max it didn't work afair. So i guess it worked at lower levels... Its weird, it needs invwstigation

Cause they can overprice off that? 🙂

4 tb - so just 500MB? Huh

Czech is good

Its a fine country with good people

Hah, i remembered dr Zelenka from sg atlantis

[cinder moon]

My mother's got a Czech name due to her parents having good friends they visited in the country in the Soviet era. :3

[cinder moon]

Poor Zelenka.

Bleh..he never got enough praise or attention but he was just as brilliant.

[soft bloom]

Maybe not AS, but still damn good. Better than dr Lee for sure

[cinder moon]

And how much he actually cared for Rodney too, even when the guy was so abnoxious.

[soft bloom]

I never got a chance to understand anything he said in Czech, despite being familiar with couple eastern languages

[cinder moon]

Definitely an underrated character.

[soft bloom]

Yes, that's definitely where he outshines him

[edgy hazel]

still got that shitty name I got from you

[cinder moon]

My partitions have such interesting names.
"root"
"home"
"games"
"virtual machines"
😛

[cinder moon]

Do you talk about Matrix on Matrix?

[edgy hazel]

just a .txt where he talks to himself

[soft bloom]

My only partition is HDD - its named DataHDD and mounted inside home. So i can work with it.
Everthing else is LVM

[cinder moon]

I don't much like LVM for some reason or another. I have fixed partitions and some free space.

[soft bloom]

Lvm is a decent way of mirroring data across physical dribes

[cinder moon]

I like Espanso. I have it set up to send neofetch in a codeblock if I type ::neofetch

OS: Linux Mint 21.2 x86_64 
Kernel: 6.6.2-x64v4-xanmod1 
Uptime: 8 hours, 47 mins 
Packages: 4334 (dpkg), 34 (flatpak) 
Shell: fish 3.3.1 
Resolution: 2560x1440, 2560x1440 
DE: Cinnamon 5.8.4 
WM: Mutter (Muffin) 
WM Theme: Adapta-Nokto (Mint-Y-Legacy-Dark) 
Theme: Mint-L-Dark [GTK2/3] 
Icons: Tela-red-dark [GTK2/3] 
Terminal: espanso 
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D (16) @ 5.050GHz 
GPU: AMD ATI 03:00.0 Device 744c 
GPU: AMD ATI 0d:00.0 Device 164e 
Memory: 18683MiB / 63444MiB

[soft bloom]

And because lvm works with luks, i use both

[cinder moon]

Huh..it thinks Espanso is my terminal. Funny. It must get that from the parent process..

And mm yes, everyone knows exactly what AMD ATI device 164e is!

[soft bloom]

Idk why, but isaw dual monitors...
Big great topic: why dual monitor when you can go with one big?

[edgy hazel]

my neofetch is boring aaah hell

[soft bloom]

I hope its not vega

[cinder moon]

I have window snapping disabled but want my leftmost monitor to be just a web-browser.

[edgy hazel]

organisation

having one screen for the main stuff and a second for small stuff makes it way easier to work with it imo

[cinder moon]

RDNA2 I think? It's the integrated graphics on the Zen4 CPUs.

[edgy hazel]

(and your work laptop is also open as a third screen for teams)

[cinder moon]

Or maybe that's the 744c?

Oh nope, 744c is RDNA3.

[twin dew]

RDNA2 for the desktop ones so far, some of the laptop parts and the coming 8000G:s for desktop are RDNA3.

[cinder moon]

It transcodes as well as my RDNA3 card though, via ffmpeg.

For h264 that is. So I guess that part of the video engine wasn't upgraded.

[twin dew]

Raphael has VCN 3.1.2.
The Navi 2x:s have VCN 3.0.0.
The Unified Video Decoder / Video Core Next is separate bit from the actual GPU arch.

[cinder moon]

So I've been passing my integrated graphics into ffmpeg to transcode while gaming. :3

[cinder moon]

Yeah that's roughly what I thought.

[twin dew]

But Raphael doesn't have hardware AV1 encode, that the Navi 3x and Phoenix with RDNA3 have.

[cinder moon]

I'm hoping by next summer I can even start using AV1 encoding on my card.
I don't have the packages for it.

[soft bloom]

Like... What?

[edgy hazel]

^^

[edgy hazel]

^^

also one horizontal and one vertical goes hard

[soft bloom]

Or can fit everthing on one big screen like for example, open 4 files at once and be fine with it

[soft bloom]

Been there. Single 32" 4k i liked way more

[edgy hazel]

so you watch yt and have discord open on the same screen?

and maybe also a game

that sounds like it sucks tbh

even at work where we use one big ass ultrawide I still have my laptop open for teams

[soft bloom]

I can do that with splitting screen in 2 or 3 even parts.

[edgy hazel]

ON A 32"?????

[jagged snow]

I run two 27s and still don't have enough space sometimes

[edgy hazel]

brother the one screen times are over. get real

[jagged snow]

One word doc taking up half of each screen, email client taking up the other half of the primary and a browser on the other half of the secondary

[cinder moon]

Everyone switching to 4k monitors
I can't even use my 1440p 27" without my glasses on anymore 😦

[soft bloom]

I just found the extra screen to be a fancy uthidentity thing that in reality is better replaced with single big screen that helps to focus on doing work with a much bigger space (both physically nad in terms of resolution),
While all the extra stuff is better left outside of view. When i need it - i switch to it. All the extra-urgent managers can go suck my ass. When i work i need to focus - i don't need 6 apps blipping in my face - i need few code tabs nad maybe a browser, and i can use alttab just fine.

[jagged snow]

Display scaling, mate

[edgy hazel]

get real

[cinder moon]

My point is more.. why have 4k if I can't actually see that level of detail any more?

[edgy hazel]

not here

read channel descriptions

[soft bloom]

Been there, and maybe that's the only actual use case where i sometimes would rpefer second screen. But anyway, its not like you need or can interact with bith in the same time.

[jagged snow]

I agree with that... no point in having 4k on anything smaller than a 32

But 1080 would also just be dumb at that size

[cinder moon]

If I take off my glasses, my 1440p turns to 1080p and I can't read it properly 😛

[edgy hazel]

1080 was jarring even at 24" for me

1440@27" is the sweet spot imo

[soft bloom]

Well, 1440p on 32" might not feel as good. But it's a viable option.

[jagged snow]

Agreed

[soft bloom]

But i put 125% scale on 4k resolution and feel like i have to guess some text sometimes.

[jagged snow]

Text readability would be awful

[cinder moon]

No desk space at this point. I'm just going to..wear my glasses.

But even with the power of glasses, 4k is probably out of my reach.

[soft bloom]

And for some it wont be a difference

[sand saddle]

It's not terrible, similar PPI to 1080p 24''

[soft bloom]

Big desk is a must just to be far enough from the monitor

[cinder moon]

And being further away means less resolution to your eyes..and we're back where we started.

[soft bloom]

I mean, i can see some discomfort when 4k is in 200%

[soft bloom]

When i lean in my eggchair it get quite small. But you can still guess pretty good

[jagged snow]

Wouldn't that be more similar to 1080 @ 27?

[jagged snow]

Ah, so somewhere in-between

Anything over 100ppi I don't mind, but under that it's noticeable

[sand saddle]

24'' 1080p is 92PPI
32'' 1440p is 93PPI
It's the same pixel density

[jagged snow]

Ah

[charred pewter]

You rang?

https://tenor.com/view/po-kung-fu-panda-point-sparkling-eyes-gif-15930425

[sharp oasis]

My phone would make a good display then lol

436ppi

[charred pewter]

buried in work before the holiday weekend ...

so much to do, so little time left to do it

[jagged snow]

Mines at 425

[sharp oasis]

Phone screens look nice

[jagged snow]

It's crazy high
No matter how close I put it to my face I can't make our individual pixels

[sharp oasis]

Yeah

Tho random topic. I may buy a tuner ecu chip for the ranger. From Ford. Good for another 45bhp on 91 octane. (I'll still be using 87) but I'll use it to improve transmission prefomance

So it's slower to shift up to 10th

Giving more responisvity

As the truck dislikes shifting down when possible

[charred pewter]

arg FRICKEN CHROME .... im inching more and more towards firefox

[sharp oasis]

Me who made the switch long ago

I'm never swapping back

[charred pewter]

i used to use firefucks .... till it went to shit, and i moved to chrome... the chrome was awesome for a long time and i never looked back at firefaux ...

[jagged snow]

Beware if your transmission
Those 10 speeds are pretty beefy, but if you're hoggin on it with the extra power that equates to more wear on the brakes and clutches, so make sure you're keeping up on mantineance

[charred pewter]

but now, its grating on me, more and more, with googles BS ...

[sharp oasis]

Oh ofc. It's not a ton of extra power it's basically making it shift less. I'd only see the power boost if I used premium fuel

[jagged snow]

Yeah, moving the shift points just improves driveability at the cost of fuel economy and a little extra engine wear

[sharp oasis]

I'd probably have to manually tune it myself to keep running on 87 and have the slower transmission shifts as the gears are decent when I shift them in the sport mode.

The truck preforms good as is ill wait till warranty is gone before I do that

Turns a ranger into a Honda civic with a laptop

Actually I can get the tune put in

I just have to go to a certified mechanic to do it

[edgy hazel]

manifest v3 coming 😄

[wanton orchid]

they done the classical "we can legally defend ourself killing the current implementation by showing the next one will be soon functional and documented .. some day in the dreamed future"

[hardy forge]

question is nvidia studio better for doing 3d work on a pc?

[charred pewter]

yah, poor ublock

its the ONLY extension i run ... ublock ....

[edgy hazel]

maxeek macrodosing lsd rn

[charred pewter]

i was looking at my history on 3dmark, and saw this on the bottom and thought it was kind of hilarious ......

oh wait, different kind of test

[stray badger]

was gonna say, time spy is very different than 3dmark 11 lol

[edgy hazel]

So what was your 4080 score in timespy?

[charred pewter]

just the gpu?

fairly big leap up from my 980ti

[edgy hazel]

just 4080 or ti?

[charred pewter]

theres a 4080 ti ? 😄

[edgy hazel]

nvm looked at the wrong one

why 6 and 8 gotta look the same

[charred pewter]

4070ti is decent

i think ? maybe gimped vram

wasnt the 4070ti originally the 4080 12gb ?

[edgy hazel]

okay got a 4080 cracked with my 7900xt

for a 4090 I'd need 10k more points 😦

[charred pewter]

and 2k more dollars

[edgy hazel]

ye

[gilded helm]

Find someone who wants their own top 10 spot and ask for a new 4090 shipped to you for your golden 7900 XT

[charred pewter]

i could oc this 4080 because its barely heating up and hasnt hit any of its limiters ...

[edgy hazel]

and considering a 4080 is about 1.2k€ and my 7900xt was only 800 I'm good and happy:

[charred pewter]

i couldnt touch my 3080 because it was already hitting thermal limit

[edgy hazel]

again it's only compared to my system. in the 7900xt general range I'm in the like top 20% since my cpu is limiting me hard

[charred pewter]

although getting a cooler gpu, i traded the heat with a boiling intel =p

[gilded helm]

SOmeone out there with a 5800 X3D might be bonkers enough

[charred pewter]

now...... if i did a custom loop and liquid cooled my cpu ..........

[edgy hazel]

Keep in mind the difference between average temp and Hotspot

Idk what Nvidia reports

[charred pewter]

prolly something false to make gamers happy

[edgy hazel]

It's not that average isn't false... It's just... Misleading regarding thermal throttling

need to have a look at it with hwmonitor

(keep in mind that having HW monitor open during 3dmark might "invalidate" your result)

3d mark doesn't like other software interfering with sensors

[charred pewter]

it seems to be ok with msi afterburner, as ive always had that running and its not complained

(the graphing part of it with RTSS)

now, ive not seen the "0/1" flip for thermal limit... so, least theres that

[night girder]

I said it before, but herg tactfull ignored me. If you look at top 1 score. They have lower temps and more OC. I think it's open bench or something.

So you don't even need all that custom stuff to get a decent 3Dmark score.

[edgy hazel]

liquid metal instead of thermal paste would also do the trick

also my GPU has a better score but the CPU is way way lower

since I haven't OC'd it at all except a dumb ass -20 CO

[full tide]

bruh with middle mouse not working and fog in my minitor

*monitor

[night girder]

stop smoking

[edgy hazel]

bro vaping and thinks he sees a ghost

[full tide]

no its like foggy or blurry

i can't play SF correctly

[edgy hazel]

If you want SF help you gotta go to #1038092680493801533

[full tide]

nvm the monitor is good