off-topic-tech

[twin dew]

And that was the point?
WU is the download(er) I meant in the previous message.

[night girder]

Ah, sorry my bad misunderstood you 🙂

[twin dew]

But the DMRC & WMIS tell the WU to get a driver right now, outside of normal WU update check cycle.

[night girder]

I though you meant the metadata* handles a big part of the WU driver support...

[twin dew]

learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/install/how-the-dmrc-determines-when-to-search-the-wmis-server

But might not be the case when I look closer.
Can be just populating stuff for the Settings\Devices screen.

[night girder]

Baldur you interested in FSR source code?

[twin dew]

Not really.
I know it is available.

[night girder]

Yes, released yesterday I believe: https://github.com/GPUOpen-LibrariesAndSDKs/FidelityFX-SDK/tree/release-FSR3-3.0.3

[twin dew]

The earlier versions have been for some time.

[night girder]

Ah, I got another question for you.

[twin dew]

So FSR 1.0.0 source was released 2021-07-14 it seems.
With two later updates for 1.0.1 and 1.0.2.
Then FSR 2.0.1 was released in 2022-06-22, with later updates.
And now FSR 3.0.3.

[night girder]

I know about G-sync right. And we also have G-sync compatible. If I understand correctly, G-sync = Nvidia only. "G-sync compatible" is open standard, so both AMD and Nvidia. My monitor is G-sync (mot G-sync compatible afaik). But AMD Adrenalin picks this up somehow, and enables AMD freesync premium. So I disabled G-sync on my monitor and now it's also turned off in Adrenalin. I was just confused why AMD would enable it for a G-Sync monitor 😒

[twin dew]

G-Sync means the Nvidia HW module originally.
G-Sync Compatible means that no HW module, but Adaptive Sync with Nvidia checking done to make sure it is up to their standards.

G-Sync HW monitors only have one DP connector.

Nothing else.

So what monitor?

[night girder]

AOC 27G2U27

[twin dew]

AOC 27G2U 27" is G-Sync Compatible: au.aoc.com/product/27G2U-BK

[night girder]

Still got the box next to me, nowhere does it state freesync or anything Only G-Sync. In the settings of the monitor I also only find G-sync. Now it can be that AOC get's money from Nvidia to push this feature

[twin dew]

aoc.com/us/gaming/products/monitors/27g2u-bk

[night girder]

Yeah, doing the same. Reading it too.

[twin dew]

So marketed as both Freesync Premium, and G-Sync Compatible.

[night girder]

but that's BK. So not sure if it's totally the same 😒

[twin dew]

the /BK means color, black.

[night girder]

that's stupid. Since mine is also black 😂

Ok, but that explains it.

[twin dew]

Just left out from the code you "know".

[night girder]

They should put it on the freaking box though. AOC.

On 4 sides of the box, it has the Nvidia logo with "G-sync".

nowhere it says AMD. No love for AMD.

IF, I can get my system stable. I might buy a 1440p monitor like a lot of people have suggested. But that's another stroy.

[twin dew]

But I got an error in Prime95!

Continuing the Curve Optimizer undervolting stability testing now with the RAM and IF OCs in place.

And Core 6 wasn't getting enough voltage.

[night girder]

you doing this on your main machine?

[twin dew]

No.
Still haven't gotten the 7800X3D to actual usage XD

Been stuck in other stuff and still using 4670K as main machine.

Hoping to actually build the machine during christmas time.

[night girder]

wasn't there a new one comming next year? something something X3D

[twin dew]

Zen 5 is coming at some point.

[night girder]

Ah the 5700X3D

Q1 2024 (rumored)

[twin dew]

5500 would be really weird to actually happen, as that used the APU die, which AFAIK doesn't even have the taps for the V-cache die.

So I really don't believe those rumors.

For either of them.

[sharp oasis]

5500X3D could just be a more cut down 5600 die. That might make some sence

[twin dew]

IIRC the source was MLID again, who is very hit and miss.

[twin dew]

Even the 5600X3D was just single run.

From failed 5800X3D:s over the whole production time so far.

[sharp oasis]

These probably are cleaning up dead stock

If there are more failed ones

[twin dew]

And it wasn't big enough to fill more than single store in one country.

[sharp oasis]

Wait nvm

Yeah that doesn't make sence

Whyd amd create more dies

Tho.

It'd be nice tbh

I'm still planning on eventually buying a 5800X3D

[night girder]

not sure who leaked about the 5500X3D, but for 5700X3D it was ECSM.

[twin dew]

chi11eddog

[sharp oasis]

I would doubt that amd would make two more dies just for a old platform

[twin dew]

For both.

[night girder]

True, ECSM just leaked the Q1 2024 as potential release schedule.

[stray badger]

Only if they have a bunch of leftovers, but that many leftovers seems unlikely

[sharp oasis]

Unless AMD for some odd reason decided to persue more development for the AM4 platform. Unlilely

[night girder]

Well, 2024 isn't far so we will soon know.

[sharp oasis]

We will

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/weevil-unbelievable-unbeweevable-bug-gif-7453463426785714493

[night girder]

what is that command again to create a ticket...

[edgy hazel]

you can just use the button in the #open-a-ticket

[sharp oasis]

https://youtu.be/IS5ycm7VfXg?si=WD0Ubu_ttMYwqs9x

Somone. Is home fabbing their own chips. Holy hell

[night girder]

when you get bored building normal PC's 😂

[sharp oasis]

:Mom can we buy a 14900k?
:No we have 14900k at home.
:14900k at home

[night girder]

"I made this computer myself" also gets a whole new meaning

[sharp oasis]

Real

[edgy hazel]

Linux is rising 💪💪💪

[languid gulch]

i do get a kick out of how whenever there seems to be a high likelihood of a youtuber destroying a cpu, they tend to first grab a 11900K

[stray badger]

Poor bsd with less than 1 percent

[pure karma]

figured out why my front usb wasent working the cable did infact unplug itself from tension guess the lock just had enough... fixed it tho

not the best spot but if it stops unpluging itself than idc

[edgy hazel]

please get yourself open camera and install a config for your phone

[pure karma]

for the blur?

yea blame obs for that

[edgy hazel]

brother your pic looks like a 90s rap video

https://tenor.com/view/jhay-cortez-myke-towers-los-bo-jhay-jhayco-gif-19871188

@pure karma what phone you got?

I'll help you, you'll thank me

[pure karma]

none of them

like i said blame obs lol

[edgy hazel]

Is....... Is that a.... No I shan't say it

[pure karma]

yea it is

its that or a 6MP ipad cam thats half covered

[edgy hazel]

Okay. Also seeing your hand, here is some free fashion advice from one skinny dude to another: get yourself one or two wristbands. Something black/dark leather with some metal accent of your choice.

[languid gulch]

best out of a bad list of possibilities 🤣

[edgy hazel]

shit will help ya out with these thin wrist you prolly got like I do

that's my go to

[pure karma]

i guess while im at it i should probably clean and then cable manager my pc AGAIN because i had to take it apart to check the front io itself

[pure karma]

practically just make yourself look like a mafia boss?

[edgy hazel]

nah, Dark colour will make the skin colour look a bit bigger and the metal will grab the attention away from the actual anatomy

idk how to formulate it right. Dark will look small and make brighter stuff look bigger

don't buy some fucked bling shit

[pure karma]

i wont

[edgy hazel]

(also wear as much black shit as you can but I'm not here to force you to go emo)

[edgy hazel]

Okay my sexy people of the glorious nation of Techen Talken. I will switch to Linux as my main OS on the start of the new year.

What should I go for/look into?

[rotund hamlet]

mint debian edition or endeavouros

simple install process, still just linux afterward with minimal fucking around

endeavour is arch-based and mint is ubuntu based usually but fuck canonical

[languid gulch]

also a crate of whiskey

[edgy hazel]

Oh I love whiskey

but since I'll move into networking and server stuff I'll prolly do a lot of home office

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dog-in-car-selfie-rapper-calvin-cordozar-broadus-jr-gif-17908339

[foggy sky]

is this where i can ask about pc specs and such, to do with pc building?

[maiden coyote]

sure is

[pure karma]

btw @edgy hazel got any cable management tips?

[verbal pivot]

if anyone else uses vencord and relationship notify plugin, is this bug only for me or not?

[foggy sky]

so i got some stuff to show, and im not sure if i got good stuff

[edgy hazel]

Currently some server outages

[edgy hazel]

Yes

[verbal pivot]

oh okay, thank you

[edgy hazel]

for cable management, get ***__extensions __***for your PSU cables on amazon, make sure your back panel closes

[pure karma]

because this shit is falling apart faster than my will to fix it

[pure karma]

psu is long enough but fans and hubs arent

so it just leads to a giant mess

[edgy hazel]

tbh once you add RGB you're kinda fucked from the get-go. But if you want some honest advice:
(You need a lot of velcro/cable ties (velcro is better))

1. pair cables together that have the same location going out to the main compartment
2. Split these up into categories like Power, Data and Fan/RGB (you can put both together)
3. Velcro them together in different directions so you can attach them to each other and don't need to fix them to the case

3 is more a bonus action since you can also just have them loose

[pure karma]

yea execpt whit the layout of this case 3 is really freaking hard to do

thats what i need to do but nothing lines up

[edgy hazel]

for lining up you need to have step 1 down to a science

step 3 is only attaching them to each other so they stay put

and it's also mostly cosmetic

[pure karma]

i can probably do 3 by having the 24 pin and dual cpu power going trough the side but cpu power has to go back again just to come back out

it might work but idk if there long enough

[edgy hazel]

yes

[pure karma]

but il just try difrent combos and see what gives what

[edgy hazel]

don't do anything you just said

[pure karma]

its mostly just the hubs im woried about

[edgy hazel]

hubs are trash

[pure karma]

because this case has no room

[edgy hazel]

go daisy chain

[pure karma]

the problem whit daisy chaining is i have no way to manage it it just turns into a strip of mess

[pure karma]

i would agree but proprietary conectors made them necesairy

my 6 al 120 v2's use custom conectors so i need atleast one hub

[edgy hazel]

No I mean hubs are actually trash. Made for a landfill. Do not use them unless you're close to the powerlimit or the interface of your motherboard

[pure karma]

well i have to use one because of custom cables

cant plug directly into the mobo

only the garbage calibration deepcool fans use normal conectors

[edgy hazel]

You know that adapters exist and are usually in the package

A hub

• needs another power cable
• forces all your cables to terminate into one location

[pure karma]

there arent any i checked

[edgy hazel]

Use splitters and daisy chain as much as possible. Hubs make cable management a nightmare

[pure karma]

cant for these tho and i hate it too

atleast it does power and rgb in one but it forces you to use a hub

[edgy hazel]

what the fuck is that

[edgy hazel]

I mean this

[pure karma]

a li an li fan power and rgb cable

its absolute baloney ik

[edgy hazel]

I hate my o11 now

fuck lian li what the shit is that

[pure karma]

yea but nzxt does it too

[edgy hazel]

don't buy that shit wtf

[pure karma]

same for corsair

good fans shit cables

[edgy hazel]

what corsair fans have that

my dad uses them almost exclusively and I've never seen that

[pure karma]

atleast each cable can handle the power and rgb of 6 fans but still hate it

[pure karma]

i know some corsair fans have a hub only conector but i wouldent be able to name them

neither do i know if they still do that

i just know they use too

[edgy hazel]

ike I know the ones with the wings and the normal ones

[languid gulch]

i do love how every company has that one thing that makes everyone go

[pure karma]

should i tranfer the 1t alienware hdd over to this pc while i have the whole drive bay out anyway

it only has a 256gb m.2 so idk if i should

i also really should upgrade that m.2

[edgy hazel]

cheering:
DATA TRASH
DATA TRASH
DATA TRASH
DATA TRASH

[pure karma]

and throw in like a 3060 or something to stop the gpu bafoonery

[pure karma]

funny story its faster than my 8T hdd

by about double

[edgy hazel]

whaaaat

a SSD is faster than an HDD????

[pure karma]

oh i thought you where talking about the 1tb hdd

you know what im gonna leave it as a problem for another time

[winged valley]

that only work if the PS/2 adapter is converting the USB signal to Serial which is unlikely in such a small form factor I think and on top of that you would need a really wacky driver i think

because storage on parallel wasn't super common i think

[edgy hazel]

it's...... a joke

[winged valley]

Of course usbstor wouldn't work through an analog interface

[winged valley]

yes I know

[edgy hazel]

Then u know that "uhhm acktualli" isn't going to make it funnier

[winged valley]

yes

[edgy hazel]

then what did you add?

[winged valley]

humor

[edgy hazel]

you think?

[winged valley]

i know

https://tenor.com/view/no-yes-giga-chad-giga-chad-gif-23156898

[edgy hazel]

can you tell me where the joke was because I didn't get it

[winged valley]

you're the joke

[edgy hazel]

🤨

[pure karma]

if theres anything i have picked up on so far its that dust filters dont do horse crap lol

if anything theres more dust in there than on the filters themselfs

anyway i think mostly everything is hooked back up

i dont have much hope that this thing posts first try but cant figure that out unless i try it

welll maby i have learned some things since last time i tried cable managing it because unlike last time it posted first try

but also unlike last time the aio pump is screeching

maby its fine im just gonna ignore it

unless it starts vibrating again il just leave it alone

[pure karma]

ok maby im crazy but it just ran cinebench whitout turning into a jet is the pump finally working????????

thats maby why its screeching

well if it is it made no difrence 80C at 200W

[maiden coyote]

Well, I guess I setup proxmox with pci passthrough up correctly.. I can't install drivers for this firepro gpu even in windows on bare metal

I think it was part of a custom workstation or server.. amd says to contact the OEM for drivers which I have no idea who that would be.

huh.. well the card says it's a W7100, but looking up the bios version techpowerup has it listed as a W7170M

[languid gulch]

got 16gb vram, gonna use it all dammit

[maiden coyote]

I can't get any drivers to install... https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/gpu-kb182

7100, OEM from dell, 7170M from dell or amd.. nothing works. and when I try to update the bios with a questionable random bios from techpowerup I get vbios related functionality not supported for device.

[twin dew]

Open Device Manager, right-click the GPU, go to Details tab, switch the Property dropdown to "Hardware Ids", tell the Ven_####&DEV_#### string

Just those two are important, the subsys etc. stuff isn't.

And this one doesn't work then?
https://drivers.amd.com/drivers/prographics/win10-radeon-pro-software-enterprise-21.Q2.1.exe

[twin dew]

Errors!
Errors all the time on 5 core Prime95 AVX512+HT + 1 core Y-Cruncher AVX512+HT Core Cycler!
Both good and bad thing...

[twin dew]

Good that the instability was found, bad that there are still such corner cases to be found.

[twin dew]

And one of them was only hit after 6 hours of Prime95...

[twin dew]

Ooh New stable BIOS version with AGESA 1.1.0.1 \o/

So time to finally update once this current test finishes.

[twin dew]

Then to set all changes in BIOS again...

Ooh New option: "Log Transparent Errors"! So the AGESA should now report even errors that didn't affect anything yet via the MCA register!

[twin dew]

Lets see if FCLK 2200 gives now actual errors, and not just reboots...

Or might it just work, as the new AGESA version is supposed to be able to run IF stable while clocked higher than before...

[night girder]

imagine that ... + no new bios for me 😦

[twin dew]

ASRock was already on 1.1.0.0 AGESA for some time.

[night girder]

Baldur I am so confused.

[twin dew]

I upgraded from 1.0.0.7c.

ASRock AM5 boards are on 2.02 BIOS version with 1.1.0.0 AGESA.

[night girder]

I do load UEFI BIOS defaults. And now everything ODT impedance is put to auto too 😒

[twin dew]

That is good thing.
You want the impedances to be on auto.

[night girder]

I dont understand where all these OC came from. I do load defaults multiple tiles

My point is: I am getting different “defaults”

[twin dew]

Those are whatever the BIOS is set to set.

And can change between BIOS versions.

[night girder]

Probably

Hehe this processor ODT impedance is in 4 places in bios. The DDR bus, flck and dram.

The DRam processor ODT impedance is set to 53.3 ohm. Putting it on auto.

ProcODT: Processor On-Die Termination Impedance. The resistance which a memory signal travelling to the CPU terminates at. This reduces signal noise and lowers how much the signal over- and undershoots the voltage that the signal should be sent at. From what I understand, going too low can allow signal noise to send faulty signals to the memory, but going too high can actually cause a signal to be absorbed and not reach the processor. This defaults to 53.3Ω.

Probably changed with the EXO profile. Since if you overclock RAM, it seems people advice to change this value too.

[twin dew]

Depends on MB, BIOS version, RAM you have etc.
No single default.

[night girder]

There is defaults. From amd.

[twin dew]

Mine is at 48.0 with Auto right now.

[night girder]

I can't find it in HWinfo (yet)

[twin dew]

At anothers I have screenshots of I have had it at 43.6 and 48.0 ohm.
Because that is one of the values that gets adjusted during the memory training.

ZenTimings shows those.

And HWiNFO might show in the non-sensor portion.

[night girder]

ctrl + f function would be handy in HWinfo 🤣

huh, so it went from 53.3 to 60.0. Isn't that even worse. "but going too high can actually cause a signal to be absorbed and not reach the processor"

[twin dew]

No, the point with those is that they are there to absorb reflections etc.
And what you need isn't fixed.

[night girder]

A signal being absorbed and not reaching processor sounds bad.

[twin dew]

Also, higher the value, less it takes power.

Because those explanations about what is happening are crap.

[night girder]

C'mon 😄

[twin dew]

It is impedance matching circuit termination resistance.

[night girder]

Ok ok. I understand you.

[twin dew]

And the whole point of those is that it needs to be matched to the actual current config.

[night girder]

let me google more. It's hard to find good information on these niche things like processor ODT impedance.

[twin dew]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impedance_matching

[night girder]

Yeah, I read that. Didn't understand it. Electricity is my weakness.

[twin dew]

Termination resistors are electronic components that are used in digital communication systems to prevent signal reflections and ensure that the signal is transmitted correctly. In a digital communication system, the signal is transmitted as a series of 1s and 0s. These signals travel along transmission lines, such as wires or cables, which have a characteristic impedance.

When a digital signal travels along a transmission line, some of the energy is reflected back towards the source due to the impedance mismatch between the transmission line and the source. This reflection can cause distortion of the signal and reduce the signal quality, leading to errors in the data transmission. Termination resistors are used to match the impedance of the transmission line with that of the source and prevent signal reflections.

Termination resistors are typically placed at the ends of the transmission line, where they absorb the energy of the reflected signal and minimize signal distortion. They can be either passive or active components, depending on the type of communication system being used. In some cases, termination resistors are built into the source or receiver circuitry.

But basically because the impedance etc. of the RAM and the RAM bus isn't static, and depends on CPU installation, MB, RAM sticks used etc. the termination resistances are dynamically adjusted.

And there isn't single "right" one.

[night girder]

I am reading an article here that states that even temperature can affect it? The impedance?

[twin dew]

Yes, because both resistance and capacitance can change with temperature.

All of these are resistances that are tuned:

[night girder]

Ok, fuck it. I leave it at auto. I wonder how many other settings are not on auto in my bios

Still interesting to learn the finer details.

[twin dew]

That is what my MB on 1602 BIOS with AGESA 1.0.0.7c set for my setup at the 6000MT/s RAM speed and tuned timings.

[night girder]

I still want to know what I did wrong though, to get a mobo this funky. Yes, I know it can be BIOS update, but still. This seems all a bit extreme for a bios update to do.

And the other thing is, when I do auto, it wants to put FCLK back to auto too. And the auto-update thing from Asrock

[twin dew]

In theory having it on Auto too would be the right thing as default, but not if the BIOS sets the IF to 2000 on Auto...

[night girder]

can it be the BIOS put it on 2000 because of that EXO profile. Can test it out. Or the other tweaks.

Guess not.

Well, I let the game run for 7-8 hours yesterday without a crash.

I have to go out today, but I probably let the game runm in the background to see what happens.

The only thing i am interested in is this MCLK/FCLK ratio of 1:1.

[twin dew]

That is default when RAM is at 6000MT/s or lower.

[night girder]

No. I was dumb.

UCLK and MCLK have a 1:1 ratio for zen 4. And FCLK is async with it.

[twin dew]

Yup, and FCLK can be anything now, when it too needed to be synced on AM4.

[night girder]

And that seems to be correct if I read HWinfo 🙂

[twin dew]

Having the FCLK be 0.75x UCLK/MCLK gives tiny bit of latency benefit compared to just below and above that, but few steps more up already erases that benefit.

So with 6000MT/s RAM, 2000 FCLK is good, 2033 is bad idea mostly, 2066 depends and 2100 is always better.
But if the CPU cannot do that 2000, then no use trying.

[night girder]

I also read more reports of Asrock and funky auto FCLK readings. Can be fixed with bios updates, but I have latest bios update already installed.

[twin dew]

The reading is right, the funkiness is ASRock setting it too high by default.

[night girder]

The problem was, the FCLK was at 2000, but the RAM wasn't at 6000MT/s, no?

[minor pawn]

This is began to happen ;-; (don't mind the dust i have to cleean it soon)

[night girder]

I think it's a bug. If I read the forums correctly. Not suppose to happen.

[twin dew]

Just ASRock BIOS people making a mistake, or trying to be "helpful".

Because same is true for lower RAM speeds, that higher IF helps performance.
Just that for 4800MT/s, the "optimum" is 1800MHz FCLK, then 1833 is bad idea and 1866 is already better than 1800.

Sorry, that was wrong...

1600MHz would be the "Optimum" for 4800MT/s.

But actually anything above 1633 would be better than that.

[night girder]

So, if I overclock my RAM, then I might need to update the FCLK again?

[twin dew]

And the 1733MHz AMD default would be the "optimum" for 5200MT/s RAM.

[night girder]

Gotcha. 👌

[twin dew]

It is currently intentionally "too low", to see if that is the problem.

And if it is, then then point is to start raising it until you get problems, and drop one or two steps back down from that.

Also, max FCLK and what VSOC is set to have inverse relationship on Raphael for some reason.

So the FCLK might work at the 2000 now that the VSOC isn't 1.20 or 1.25V anymore.

But one step at a time.

High VSOC helps RAM OC, but nerfs the IF OC.

[night girder]

I am 100% with you on that.

Anyway, have to go. 👋

[minor pawn]

this only happens when i plug in the laptop

pls does someone know why this happens

[dire igloo]

Bunch of shortcuts, weird

No idea

[minor pawn]

is there a way i could do a hardware scan thru windows?

[maiden coyote]

I'll do that when I get home. I pulled the info from gpuz. And sadly no, it doesn't work.. the gpu likely came out of a custom system.

[wet sphinx]

Lollige_eebhoorn check you're dm

[minor pawn]

so i opened up my laptop to take a look if there was corosion or something and now when put back toghether it wors fine again

[maiden coyote]

If the .rom files are raw hex firmware. I'll have to check. If they are I might just pull the gpu out and find the flash IC on it and use my programmer to write it directly.

Because the amd tool that I have no idea how to use was acting like the firmware was locked, or there's a ID mismatch so it refused to write it.

[maiden coyote]

Not really sure how it'll help you fix your pc issues. xD With RF frequency stuff, everything is critical, and so it's all tuned. the distance between signal and ground, the distance of the wires, the material around the wires. all of that shit matters.

if the impedance is mismatched, you get this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_wave

in a PC it'll probably just cause errors. With radio transmitters, it burns up the transmitter

[twin dew]

Mainly the thing is that there isn't one static value for those resistances that works.

For all computers with AM5 MB.

[maiden coyote]

I didn't know they had that. I just understood that leaving the last socket unpopulated was a bad idea.

[twin dew]

Getting to even DDR4 to work is almost black magic on that front, DDR5 is that.

Configurable terminations at both ends to some level, configurable skew control resistances, so on.

[charred pewter]

any of you used a air flow measuring device, and if so, which one? ... wondering if an hvac anemometer is enough to measure the flow from computer fans or not

(ive always wanted some sort of air flow measuring device)

[jagged snow]

I'd assume that'd be plenty

[edgy hazel]

I just vape into it

[charred pewter]

i know where air is going... just trying to figure out which sets of fans produce just a wee bit more movement at the same auditory distress levels ... ya know, its easy to find which ones and what speeds they run out by using my ears... but trying to determine if one is moving more air than another is a bit hard with just smoke 😦

or strips of paper ...

[edgy hazel]

[winged valley]

Referring to kill child process

[jagged snow]

Yes

That's why it's funny

Typically occurs when host runs out of memory

[winged valley]

Also the idea of a tv crashing bc no ram is hilariously bad

[jagged snow]

Most smartTVs have only two gb of memory or somewhere inthat neighborhood

[grand meadow]

There's quite a bit of variation there, depending on year model and how low-end vs. high-end the model is.

[jagged snow]

That's very true

But "most" referring to something your typical consumer would buy

[grand meadow]

I.e. closer to the low-end, if not the lowest-end.

Yeah, might even be only 500MB.

[hardy forge]

im a fucking idiot, i put the 2 power cables needed for my gpu in the wrong suckets and just flipped them around now everything fine and dandy lol

[edgy hazel]

chromecast has 500mb

[grand meadow]

Also some low-end LGs and Samsungs (not a lot of experience with other brands but I'd wager they're somewhere around similar figures).

[edgy hazel]

but it's also only 20$

but yeah I think this is some cheap ass smart TV

bitrate go wrooooom

[grand meadow]

Hmm, this does not point towards smartTVs:

...not that it rules them out, either...

[night girder]

This makes my day 😂

[night girder]

I would say Anemometer.

[visual tree]

Nice try, the insurance didn't trick me because I know math

If the car insurance costs €230, a 15% discount or €30 discount is not the same thing

[night girder]

what < /span> 👀

[visual tree]

Translated the website to english

[night girder]

Aah ok 😂

I was thinking, I would stop reading the add if I would see that. That's the point I am out.

[visual tree]

My 14 old car costs less in insurance and maintenance than my parents new car lol

An insurance on a new car will cost you a lot even without maintenance costs

[night girder]

I am so confused.

Why do they offer both options? 15% OR 30 euro?

[visual tree]

Because some people don't know math and will pay more if they choose the €30 option lol

[night girder]

That's so confusing.

[visual tree]

15% discount on €230 = €195,50. A €30 discount on €230 would be €200 in the end

[night girder]

Should report this to whatever authority you can report this too 😂

[visual tree]

It's one of those dirty tricks insurance companies use and a lot of people fall for it

[night girder]

That's not legal in my country I think. We can report that to a "consumer organisation" (called "Testaankoop" over here), who handle legal stuff for the consumers.

And if they think it's not legal, they will go to court on the behalve of all consumers.

[visual tree]

I could report the company (which is the largest insurance company in the country) but I guess they would get away with it since insurance companies have very good lawyers....

[night girder]

Yeah, I get you. Not worth the hassle. And that's why they keep getting away with it 😦

[gilded helm]

That reminds me of someone I knew years ago running a convenience store. They had a 4 for $5 special on items priced at $1.25 like candy bars. And it worked.

[jagged snow]

That's amazing 🤣

[visual tree]

I hate how a company that operates trains here can't let people pay for ticket or ticket fees with a bank card inside the train. There is a 2G/3G signal literally everywhere and that is more than enough for a POS device

Ticket inspector got mad because I had to pay a €0,93 fee for a fast train inside a car and gave her a €10 bill lol

[night girder]

We have to pay a fine if we want to pay on the train itself. You too?

[edgy hazel]

I would never buy a ticket ever again, only when I see an inspector

[night girder]

I believe it's like 1 euro extra if we pay on the train itself. let me check.

[edgy hazel]

here if you don't have a ticket and get caught you have no chance to buy one. -60€

[night girder]

Nvm. It's €9 on top of the original price if we pay on the train.

[visual tree]

Same thing here. The only difference is that you don't pay a fine if you want to pay for a fast train fee inside a train. If you forgot to buy a ticket, you have to buy it and pay extra €2 fine

[night girder]

And we can only pay electronic, not cash on the train. The opposite it seems from asablic? The world is crazy 🤪

[visual tree]

I hate cash 💀

Funny how the company has an app to buy tickets but you can't pay a fee for using a fast train...

So you either have to show your train ticket and pay the extra fee in the station or in the train

[night girder]

that feature got lost on JIRA somewhere

We even gotta pay for our dogs ... that's why I avoid trains as much as possible over here. Freaking gold sink.

[visual tree]

Same here. You also have to muzzle your dogs if they are larger and need to show vaccination proof

[night girder]

Someone: "Why do people keep using cars..." - Me: "Why the hell not with all these silly rules..."

[edgy hazel]

gemany ticket rules lol 50€/mo, germany wide and all trains except like the fast trains

[visual tree]

5 years ago, we had "fast trains" that stopped in each train station

[night girder]

Oh, IC trains?

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-train-ice-craviter-cea-craviter-rail-gif-17101273

[visual tree]

No, completely normal trains like every other trains. The company was being mocked for calling it a "fast train"

At least the inspectors didn't require you to pay a fast train fee since people would kill you if you tried to do that

[night girder]

That's shitty.

[visual tree]

@edgy hazel Is this normal in Germany lol https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ctb1A5n1nLE

Here, trains never arrive on time

[edgy hazel]

Yes

[night girder]

is it ok, if germans make fun of germans? and are we allowed to laugh?

[visual tree]

*Moves to Germany

Unless you were sarcastic

[night girder]

because the other videos are pretty funny too 😂

[night girder]

Wait, you understand the video right? He was dreaming.

[visual tree]

Yeah, german trains are late

[night girder]

Ok, then move to germany 😄

[visual tree]

And I always thought german trains were on time like in Japan

[night girder]

Have you seen the video below? "me on a sunday in Germany"

[night girder]

Nah, we had that talk a week ago. It's a fable.

[visual tree]

Link? Youtube leads me to some other video

[night girder]

https://youtube.com/shorts/2NHTR3EpVr4?feature=shared

They are pretty absurd 😂

[visual tree]

This is literally me https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SWuKFMh0g9c

Always though it was plastic and had to remove it and throw it in the plastic bin 😅

[night girder]

Hahaha, he is pretty funny. Ngl.

[edgy hazel]

the main issue I have with his channel

[night girder]

he is German?

[edgy hazel]

it's just too accurate and I don't like it

[night girder]

So you fence on Sundays in the forest?

[edgy hazel]

If I have the opportunity but usually it's too noisy for a sunday and I'd interrupt Mittagsruhe

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0cdaiGpasGk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSViCoXPTiM
but yeah regarding trains:

[visual tree]

This reminds me of my parents who got mad because I threw away a plastic bottle https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AYgOaCW-44A

Here, we only get 7 eurocents per bottle though 😟

[edgy hazel]

25 here

well depending but the plastic ones are 25

[night girder]

we gotta pay for plastic garbage collection, we don't get money for plastic bottles.

Only for glass bottles (depending if it has recycle icon on it or not).

[visual tree]

Read an article recently comparing bottle deposit prices in EU. Finland has like 40 cents for some bottles

And we have the lowest fee in EU....

[edgy hazel]

but yeah most cities in countries without pfand are just littered

London is a good example

[night girder]

I am just confused.

So some countries, pay their citizens to return plastic bottles?

And other countries, make their citizens pay a plastic tax. And on top of that, we gotta pay for the garbage collection too!

[edgy hazel]

no you pay 25ct more when you buy a plastic bottle and then you get it back in the stores when you return it

[night girder]

Right. Forgot that important detail.

That makes more sense.

But we also pay a tax on plastic. We never get the money back though.

[visual tree]

Yes. Here, you take a paper note with the amount from the bottle machine and you bring it to the grocery store information desk where they give you the money specified on the note

[night girder]

New law of this year in Belgium, and I think it's a good one, plastic bags in ALL shops are forbidden to be free.

[edgy hazel]

I just use paper or use my reusable fabric ones

[night girder]

We had a culture that every shop gave you a plastic bag for your grocceries or whatever for free. Now they ask 0.10 - 0.30 cent for it.

[night girder]

I don't use bags 😄

At the entrance of my groccery store, there is a big bin with left over carton boxes from all the products. I just pick up a box and put my groceries into that.

Two flies, one stone. It's free for me. And I am recycling 😄

[edgy hazel]

reuse*

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-gif-15190379

[edgy hazel]

REDUCE REUSE RECYCLE IN THAT ORDER

I fucked it up

[visual tree]

They introduced this a few years ago here as a way to prevent people from buying plastic bags

[night girder]

It works. People don't want to pay 0.30 for plastic bag

[visual tree]

I always carry a canvas bag with me and feel guilty if I leave it at home and have to buy a plastic bag

[night girder]

I always forgot my canvas bags. And I say bagS, because I have a whole collection of them. Forget bag. Buy new recycleable bag. Forget the bag again. Buy new one 😂

So I stopped doing that. And just carry it in my hands, put it in my backpack. Or carton box if possible.

[edgy hazel]

I **stay **organised

[visual tree]

I need a larger canvas bag though. The one I have is not big enough for some larger shopping

[edgy hazel]

get two

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[visual tree]

This reminds me of old people for some reason. They don't have that kind of bag but they always bring this when going shopping

[night girder]

Exactly asablic 😂

[edgy hazel]

get over that feeling. These things are really good

[night girder]

Here is a cool one 😉

maybe add some RGB to be really 2024

[visual tree]

Here, people would laugh at you if they saw a young person using that bag 😭

Because only old people bring those wheel bags around

[night girder]

I don't know. I don't think anyone cares over here.

[visual tree]

People here are judgemental and think only "old and poor" use those wheel bags...

[night girder]

but, I mean. That banana one is expensive AF probably 😂

bright pink bars. bright green wheels. 100x bananas. 👌

The problem I have is, that if we have a backpack. We have to open our backpack at the cash register.

But, if you have a handbag, then it's all fine and you not have to show it

[visual tree]

I carry a canvas bag in my backpack and just take it out before going shopping (or take one from home when I'm walking to a nearby grocery store)

Good thing a larger grocery store is only a 15 minute walk from home

[night girder]

You don't have to open your backpack at the cash register so they can check you aren't stealing anything?

In some places, we even have to leave our backpacks at the entrance.

[visual tree]

Never had this issue, they have detectors at the each cashier station

They should work "in theory" if you hide something in the backpack. Never tested it though because I would never steal anything

[night girder]

We have those too. Yet it's often the rule. It's weird, because I always think "do I look like a thief, I am a costumer"

So no more backpacks too stores either is the story 😂

Unless if I go to the comic shop. They are cool with it.

[edgy hazel]

I would never steal from big stores

https://tenor.com/view/na-moonhee-stealing-thief-supermarket-twilight-gangsters-gif-11827442

[visual tree]

Since there are products with RF stickers that can easily be removed, they are probably monitoring for suspicious activity

Noticed several stores with a security room where there are a lot of monitors and security guards monitoring them

[night girder]

No. At the entrance of the cash register, there are signs that tell us to open our bags to show the inside.

We don't monitor anyone in our stores. We just check everyone who leaves

I mean, I know a few stores that have private detectives running around. Or whatever they are called. Undercover shoppers?

[edgy hazel]

someone pinged me in offtopic general

I do not dare to enter that cesspool

[night girder]

It's fireworker. So it's safe 👍

[jagged snow]

It's about alcohol

You'll love it

[dire igloo]

I did

[visual tree]

At least I didn't get drunk yesterday at the company christmas party yesterday

Can't say the same for my colleagues though

[jagged snow]

I still find it so weird that they have the same logo as T-mobile

[night girder]

I hope they all took the train home 😉

[visual tree]

Croatian Telecom is owned by Deutsche Telekom (who owns the T-mobile brand)

[night girder]

How was the band?

[visual tree]

Good, the best part came at noon. I was at the party from 20:00 till 01:15 when I was too tired and decided to go home

I think the party lasted till 03:00 in the morning

[night girder]

nice 😄

[visual tree]

At least my hearing has returned to normal lol

And voice

[night girder]

earplugs are so important

[edgy hazel]

btw have I posted my grilled cheese from today?

I think it's very important for yall to know about it

[visual tree]

I like anything with cheese

[night girder]

but yeah, I do understand that at a party, you can't wear earplugs when people want to talk to you and be social

[night girder]

but if you go listen to a band or something, I always recommend ear protection.

[edgy hazel]

it was glorious

[visual tree]

Now I'm hungry 😭

[visual tree]

I could't understand anyone from all the ringing in my ears lol

[edgy hazel]

it was so gooooooooood

[night girder]

I really dislike the whole social aspect at loud parties tbh. If there is loud music, why even bother trying to talk to eachother.

[visual tree]

Hope there are some ear plugs that reduce the noise volume but still let you hear everything

[edgy hazel]

you mean... ear plugs

that's their function

[night girder]

yes, they excist. They come at all sort of price ranges.

The crappy one just block everything. The custom/expensive ones only reduces volume, but try to retain the quality of sound.

[visual tree]

I use standard ear plugs when on online meetings but then I can't hear when someone in the office walks towards me and says something

[night girder]

Custom made one. That's what I am talking about.

not to be confused with earbuds btw

[visual tree]

Oh, never actually tried them

[edgy hazel]

but yeah on concerts even crappy ones are better than none

[night girder]

Even toilet paper fuck it.

Metal concerts can go hard.

[edgy hazel]

just 2 cigarettes

[night girder]

I don't smoke 😭

and I doubt I can rip off someone to give me two cigs to put in my ears.

[edgy hazel]

I mean if they're a friend and you say "watch this"

[night girder]

btw, there exist* earbuds with hearthrough. That amplifies sounds from the environment.

it will help with situations like you described.

I know jabra ones have it.

[visual tree]

I still use wired earbugs and seriously need to buy some good wireless ones

[night girder]

Ah, if you go shop for ones. Search for hearthrough.

you push the side of one of the buds to activate it.

Or you double press. Can't remember. Tapping the sides of the earbuds and you can control the music too. Pause. Next song etc 😄

[visual tree]

Can you use them in concerts?

[edgy hazel]

nah not really

get proper concert plugs

[night girder]

I never tried that. I do use them in rehearsals if I really need too.

My opinion: anything to protect my ears is better than hearing damage.

[visual tree]

Someone told me concerts in the past were even louder than today. Can't imagine anything louder than what we have today lol

[night girder]

I can't vouch for your country. But some 10 years ago there was a new law that said 90db was the limit for concerts.

[visual tree]

Even though most concerts I've visited are still loud and probably cause hearing damage to some degree

[night girder]

So it is true. At least in my case.

[charred pewter]

suggestions on a microphone that pairs well with a 5.1 speaker system so the microphone doesnt pick up game audio?

90db is the limit? waht !?

my pc gets up to 50db on full tilt with just the cpu fans ...

[edgy hazel]

I mean do you know of the wall of sound?

[visual tree]

Oh god 💀

[night girder]

they can play. at 90db

[charred pewter]

they should outlaw the 'brown note' 😄

[edgy hazel]

that was prolly the reason

[night girder]

yeah, and do they check it and give fines.

still pretty loud

[edgy hazel]

just for better perspective

[night girder]

insane

[charred pewter]

unless my phone app db reader is wrong .... 90db is like ... not loud, i think just watching a movie on my z5500 speaker system at only 40% volume, is 90db

[edgy hazel]

your phone app is wrong lol

[charred pewter]

is it a curve?

my room right now reads 27db

[edgy hazel]

but yes it's logarithmic

[charred pewter]

ah... that might explain 90 then, if its harder to reach that

i'll check it later tonight when i watch Reacher episode 2 😄

[night girder]

it's your ears funeral 🤷‍♂️ 😂

[edgy hazel]

above 80-90 you want some sort of protection with a wall or earplugs or something like that

[charred pewter]

ah, leaf blower levels

what, "baby crying" should be up there at 115db

[edgy hazel]

apple watches give you alerts when babies cry too long

[night girder]

that's creepy

[edgy hazel]

because it's actually damaging over time

[charred pewter]

apart from baby crying, dogs barking is on the top of my 'most annoyed with sounds in the world'

[edgy hazel]

bro you never lived near a church

[night girder]

I hate car alarms at night, when the owner is not home.

[edgy hazel]

this mf going off at 10am on a sunday

[charred pewter]

lol... i need to get out of conservative midwest USA

[night girder]

They keep going for hours.

[charred pewter]

car alarms .... who pays attention to those anymore

you hear one, you deliberately not look...

[night girder]

man, tell me about it 😂 I don't live near one anymore. But when I used to crash at a buddy of mine, he lived next to a church. I hate that church so much. So... eaaaaarly!!

[charred pewter]

thats why MY car alarm is actual electrifying the stick shift to incapacitate 😄

[edgy hazel]

if you're american you can just shoot it until it stops

[night girder]

I do, when it wont let me sleep

[charred pewter]

our churchs have coral-bells ... they play on the hour every hour from 9am to 9pm

[night girder]

you don't want to come between me and sleep.

[charred pewter]

out town hall has normal 'bells' which play the ding ding that matches the number of hour

like right now, it just went off... its 6pm

[night girder]

a town hall with bells

[charred pewter]

when the traffic isnt noisy, its actually a pleasent sound to hear the bells

[edgy hazel]

10am is when service starts on sunday

[charred pewter]

back in the days of horse n buggy, you could hear the bells for miles

[night girder]

Haha, that's nothing 😂

[charred pewter]

now im only 1/4th mile away and its hard ot hear them sometimes

[edgy hazel]

mf goes BING BONG BING BONG for like 30 minutes

[night girder]

This mtfucker started around 7AM

[charred pewter]

i also have a german black forest cookoo clock downstairs 😄

[night girder]

and if I crashed at my friend, it meant I was hammered the previous night

[charred pewter]

i bought it when i was visiting germany

[visual tree]

Meanwhile, we use cannons in the capital city to mark the noon. Can't imagine living near the cannon tower

[edgy hazel]

what

[visual tree]

Correction: cannon https://www.youtube.com/shorts/L-j_wgb0mKA

[night girder]

we don't hear our neighbours 🤷‍♂️

[edgy hazel]

what the fuck is wrong with yall

"unique" yeah no shit

[visual tree]

The cannon has been firing since 1877

had some maintenance during the pandemic though

[night girder]

the prices of real estate property must be real low around that tower 😂

[edgy hazel]

"ahh the sun is so hot I hate it so much"
blasts it with a cannon for 200 years

[night girder]

who wants to live near that?

would be funier if they used real rounds

[charred pewter]

wow my cooku clock is 23 years old now, still going strong

[visual tree]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotrščak_Tower

[night girder]

Just russian roulette with the lotrscak tower

[edgy hazel]

you don't have to click on the link. It's almost all in the embed.

[charred pewter]

i used to live near the midwest's largest air to surface training fields ... hearing the A-10 warthogs come in and unload their gat on targets was ...... unnerving

[edgy hazel]

smallest wiki article ever

[charred pewter]

cannon blasts per hour ? that would be fun

can i aim them at people whose car stereoes are louder? 🙂

[edgy hazel]

The cannon was to give the sign for exact noon for the bell-ringers of the city's churches.
so it's also making the bells ring toooooo??

bro what is your noise level over here

[night girder]

no, russian roulette!

especially if it's a fake exhaust =_=

[edgy hazel]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e9d18uSe2Tw
quietest day in croatia:

[visual tree]

Almost every city and village here has church bells ringing at 06:00 and 12:00 every day

[charred pewter]

we also have people who dont FIX their exhausts after their catalytic convertor was stolen... UGH

[night girder]

and not 18:00 and 00:00?

[visual tree]

I think they also ring at 19:00 although not everywhere as far as I noticed

[charred pewter]

ours have to cut off by 9pm by law "noise ordinance" ...

yet the cops do nothing about other people who violate the ordinance LOL!!

cant tell you how many times ive been woken at 1am by "BOOOM BOOMA BOMM BOOM" thumping down the road ...

or the guy down the street in a suped up pickup truck whose exhaust is louder than a jet engine going overhead

of course during "HOLIDAYS" people are firing off fireworks at all hours of the night

4th of july means fireworks from june 20th to july 30th, 12pm to 5am .... 😄

that shit aint cheap either, and its just moeny up in smoke, literally

[night girder]

citizen fireworks. Controled ones, like events or goverment can be fine imo.

[charred pewter]

some states do

this state is open season.....

when i lived in arizona, there is a strict ban on all fireworks

YET people can wear sidearms openly in public all year round... and shoot them into the air ...

[edgy hazel]

idk how long fireworks are gonna be around in germany anymore. People started shooting them on emergency services last year

[charred pewter]

oh shit

and yes, az wildfires are pretty bad

[night girder]

here, every year some horses die because of fireworks.

[charred pewter]

but easily contained due to the lack of foliage .... california wildfires are INSANE

[night girder]

They are scared and get stuck in the barbwire or some ditch.

[charred pewter]

yikes!

yeah, every year people complain about their dogs cowering in fear and suffering nervous disorders during fireworks seasons ....

[night girder]

fireworks are dumb in civilian areas with a lot of animals.

[charred pewter]

i could imagine how it affects horses

[night girder]

now responsible owners know this and stable their horses during the night. But still I read a story about it every year.

[charred pewter]

peanut looks up at the walls when she hears them ... she is like 'wtf is THAT?' but then goes about her business of chasing imaginary dust particles

[edgy hazel]

but yeah some local one off is better. Saves a lot of money in emergency stuff too

[night girder]

peanut is a ... ?

A lion. Wow that is cool.

[edgy hazel]

a pussy. Our dog don't give a shit

😛

[night girder]

well, it does matter.

[night girder]

dogs aren't suspose to chase imaginary dust particles 😂

[edgy hazel]

oof wrong pic

[visual tree]

They tightened the laws regarding the fireworks here in recent years. You could use fireworks any time of the year in the past. Now you can only use them from 27th December till 1st Janury or else you will get fined

[edgy hazel]

She is so brave

and also 100% dead in that picture

she died tragically of too many naps

[visual tree]

@edgy hazel I have some more videos for you of crazy villagers firing barrels. Guess we are too loud to live with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gCHS5zGVQw

[edgy hazel]

the most beautiful hillside villages
BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM

[visual tree]

Using calcium carbide is a dangerous game though

[night girder]

wtf.

can't you just do like what the rest of the world does? go chase some chickens. or a cow or something?

😂

We have some weird traditions, but nothing like that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goose_pulling

Now it's still done, but with dead geese.

[visual tree]

At least we don't have crazy traditions like spain with it's bull runs

[edgy hazel]

you know what? let's keep it up with climate change

Yeah I think we're headed in the right direction

but I also have rum and something nice to watch 😄

[sharp oasis]

Might be an option for me to buy

[edgy hazel]

I'm currently trying to push for framework laptops at work 😄

[sharp oasis]

Niiice

I want one

[edgy hazel]

but I'm still a small fish and don't have much leverage

[sharp oasis]

And the new ones support a dgpu so

Def more gaming pref

[dusk rivet]

only laptop i’d buy is apple, the thinness is really noice, and i’d never game on a laptop

[edgy hazel]

apple is great but the modularity and repairability of frameworks are insane

[sharp oasis]

Id like decent productivity and a actual replaceable Dgpu for a laptop is fucking insane

They come out with a new gpu for that laptops it's plug and play ish.

[edgy hazel]

new CPU out? just get a new mobo with it. Want to switch to 4k? buy a new screen

[dusk rivet]

yeah fair, individual needs is super important

[sharp oasis]

And I'd looove that

[edgy hazel]

if my 2018 macbook ever dies I'll prolly go framework

[dusk rivet]

with a laptop i just want something good enough to run netflix and some chrome tabs well, and be super thin and light

[sharp oasis]

I'm less about the thinness and lightness

[dusk rivet]

it working well with my phone is a nice bonus

[sharp oasis]

And more about the robust functionality and longevity

[dusk rivet]

price tag is a little off putting for apple compared to the performance, but i’ll cope

[sharp oasis]

Framework is really robust with upgradabilty

[dusk rivet]

if someone else made a laptop of comparable thickness with the same premium feel to it i’d buy from them

[sharp oasis]

For a laptop the price of my sister's I'm getting 3-4x the power

[edgy hazel]

@dusk rivet go browse around on the frame.work website. If you're into hardware you'll find it quite surprising

[sharp oasis]

She has a surface pro

[dusk rivet]

definitely will, i always love look at new tech stuff

tech stuff in general really

[sharp oasis]

And if I do sell off my current pc

I may put the money towards a framework laptop

[edgy hazel]

this shit just makes me so happy

[night girder]

how much for full laptop?

[sharp oasis]

For my one that I'd like

[edgy hazel]

they're not cheap

[night girder]

and people say Apple is expensive

[edgy hazel]

that's just a laptop in that class tbh

go to DELL/HP and you'll pay a similar amount for it

[sharp oasis]

I know it's really expensive for the components I want

But it makes sence

[edgy hazel]

but framework is still a little bit more expensive, but your package will last for a long time and you can just Ship of Theseus it

okay that's fun

[night girder]

no macos though

[sharp oasis]

The 7700S is basically just a 6650XT

But for a laptop

[edgy hazel]

I mean yeah I wouldn't get one with a dgpu

[sharp oasis]

I would.

[edgy hazel]

Laptop is a work device for me

[dusk rivet]

if you go insane on specs you can get it up to 3,483usd

[sharp oasis]

It's a nice thing for me as I do video editing and having a dgpu to help speed that along is a massive bonus

[night girder]

I mean, I don't want a windows laptop. So if I would buy one, it would be Linux.

[sharp oasis]

I will never use inigrated gpu with video editing

[edgy hazel]

okay hotswappable keyboard, numpad and trackpad is insane

[night girder]

Or does it come shipped with an OS?

[edgy hazel]

you can decide

[sharp oasis]

You can decide

[edgy hazel]

you can just skip storage all together if you want

you can also skip RAM and everything

[night girder]

I hope people don't forget it

[jagged snow]

I really like what framework is doing

[edgy hazel]

okay that's cool

[jagged snow]

If I wasn't so budget constrained, I'd go with framework for my next laptop

[night girder]

A bit pricey, I might as well stay with Apple

[jagged snow]

They are pricey, but you have to remember that it's upgradeable

[dusk rivet]

whole point of the framework is customizability, if you don't need/want that, it's not for you

[night girder]

that just even more costs 😒

[jagged snow]

Costs less than a whole new laptop

[night girder]

I am just wonder, would it be cheaper to buy a new macbook pro every x years because they die. Or replace components with a framework.

[dusk rivet]

idea is in the future you could just buy a new gpu, and slot it into your laptop

[edgy hazel]

yeah the whole point is, instead of buying a whole new laptop, you just buy a new motherboard for the fraction of it

[jagged snow]

The framework would Def. Be cheaper in the long run

[night girder]

isn't that too early to tell?

[jagged snow]

Since it's already cheaper than a similarly specced mbp iirc?

[edgy hazel]

they've done it for a few gens now

[jagged snow]

They're four years in now

[night girder]

I mean, I guess it's their core business. Would be weird if they in the future made descisions to undo that.

[dusk rivet]

15in macbook air would be my dream laptop

[edgy hazel]

yeah it's their whole brand

[dusk rivet]

optimal in-class netflix bingeing device

[night girder]

Must look more into it. Might be an option to replace my Macbook Pro too.

[edgy hazel]

I just fucking hate my macbooks keyboard

but it still works so...

[night girder]

I just don't want to lose my music library.

[edgy hazel]

you can install itunes on windows you know that?

[night girder]

So, I need to find some compatible with it. Linux will probably have something.

[dusk rivet]

i have it on my pc just for messing with stuff on my phone

[night girder]

👆

[edgy hazel]

oh yeah intunes needs wine for linux

but there are rippers out there 🤷‍♂️

[night girder]

there might be music apps that can read the library. open source ones.

[dusk rivet]

why does apple not include a charger with their 15in macbook air that can charge it the fastest

they include a 35w charger, but you can get up to 70w charging (sold separately)

it's like the razor and blades model, but they forgot the part where you make the razor less expensive

[night girder]

maybe stuff like that.

[edgy hazel]

I love cider

https://tenor.com/view/bembel-apfelwein-gif-22693620

[stray badger]

Install itunes on windows, download library as mp3, move to linux drive. Use any music player

[edgy hazel]

They must have some DRM no?

[night girder]

that's not the issue. I have mp3. It's the libraries metadata itself. When the songs are added. How many skips. How many plays etc.

[stray badger]

Nope

[edgy hazel]

Really?

Christ apple

[stray badger]

Thats how i put my music on my android

[edgy hazel]

They must have such good contracts with the music industry

and prolly very old ones too

[charred pewter]

max 77 dB ... thats what the phone meter read in my living room with a show at volume levels i could barely tollerate

[charred pewter]

my cat

[edgy hazel]

the tax

you gotta pay the pet tax

if you mention your pet you're legally obligated to post a picture @charred pewter

[charred pewter]

i did ....

[maiden coyote]

Pettax?

[twin dew]

I mostly play my music from speakers so that the music peaks at 60-65 dBa when measured with cheap sound level meter that is sitting mic upwards on my lower keyboard tray...

[twin dew]

Phone meters would need calibration first againts some "true" meter.
Otherwise they just show relative change, and the number can be anything.

Because the sensitivity of the microphone etc. are phone dependant.

[twin dew]

And phone app based ones even then aren't really that accurate, as the phone mic isn't linear across the frequencies, and that would need to be calibrated too, which would be real pain to do.

[agile cypress]

#off-topic-media message

[twin dew]

This channel would allow direct images.
And if that is Satisfactory related, wrong place, this isn't tech-support.
But if that is for Satisfactory, I would expect you to have 10+ years old CPU that doesn't support SSE4.1 (and possibly AVX1), and cannot run U8 anymore.
AMD Phenom II based CPUs and Intel before 2rd gen Core or part of Core 2 Duo/Quad lineup.
https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1174032193023123496

[agile cypress]

(((

[twin dew]

Yup, Phenom II

Well, the cheap version with Athlon branding.

[agile cypress]

ок,I have an old computer

[twin dew]

So you either need newer CPU, AMD Bulldozer or newer (FX-####) or Intel Core i#-2### or newer.
Or stay on U7 or earlier UE5.1 based experimentals of U8 (0.8.1.3 or older).

[agile cypress]

need a new computer

Baldur thank you

[twin dew]

Well, little newer.
Next generation of AMD CPUs from what you have work.
And the Intel CPUs of same age as your current one work.

[agile cypress]

so that my computer can run satisfactories?

[twin dew]

Yes, to run Unreal Engine 5.2 based Update 8 version of Satisfactory. So 0.8.2.0 and up.

The versions before that (0.8.1.3 and down) would work with the current CPU.

[agile cypress]

I don't understand how to start Satisfactori

[twin dew]

Either downgrade the game, if you own it on Steam:
https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1174032193023123496
Or get little newer computer to run current versions.

[agile cypress]

I understood everything, thank you

[languid gulch]

new mouse, same model. kinda sucks but now i'm convinced that all mouse switches are designed to last 1 year & then die

[twin dew]

Only on some mice.
The switches have click lifetime, and you can buy those in several different grades, from 1M clicks to 50M clicks.
And some mouse manufacturers use the cheap bins.

[languid gulch]

yea got a 20M click model, but no matter what it seems like none of them last past about a month out of warranty

[twin dew]

You have checked the switch markings?

On the dead mice?

Because I don't know any mouse manufacturer that actually advertises the rating.
And that someone on internet says their unit at some point in past had good bin switches doesn't mean that later production has those.

[languid gulch]

i guess i should, but also god knows if i can even open it without breaking the housing

[twin dew]

What mouse?

[languid gulch]

redragon m913

[twin dew]

Disassembly little down the page.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/redragon-m913-impact-elite/4.html

[languid gulch]

logitech should stop making mice completely & just license out their scroll wheel

oh yea am also nervous about cracking open something with an integrated battery

i have fantastic luck

[twin dew]

So Chinese company...
And in the value segment on the prices...
So even the switch markings cannot be trusted...

[languid gulch]

but i also have those same trust issues with damn near every other tech company

[twin dew]

So based on the pics, Huano made switches.

[languid gulch]

other than the left click switch, everything else about it has been shockingly good the past year

logitech's grippy shit would have worn away, fallen off, or gotten that lovely sticky oily by now

i haven't noticed any battery life degradation either

[twin dew]

Yeah, they advertise Huano 20M click switches, but either they run too little current through the switch on click and they oxidize, or they are using mismarked or QC reject switches, both possible for pure China company.

Weird fact, if you run too little current through microswitch when it is pressed to "on" state, it will fail pretty soon.
Unless gold plated, and in that case if the gold plating isn't thick enough, it will fail over time from the gold wearing off and then oxidizing.

[languid gulch]

now that i know they have the same garbage switches as everyone else, i'm ok with it. it's half the price i was paying for logitech mice every year, & has 6 more side buttons & non-shit Ghub

[twin dew]

Well, Logitech is another of the companies intentionally using the cheapest garbage bins in their mice.

[languid gulch]

yea but charging $70 for the name

[twin dew]

Yup.

[languid gulch]

the only thing i like about their mice is the infiniscroll & side click

[twin dew]

Same with Razer at one point at least, don't know right now as haven't cared since they implemented login requirements.

[languid gulch]

LOL

"please log in to use your mouse"

now that i know the limitations, i'm more ok with it

& my new keyboard has been amazing, tho it's still under warranty

[twin dew]

And replacing mouse switches is trivial if the mouse can be disassembled without damage and you know basics of soldering.

[languid gulch]

which i might do with the old one if i can find some opticals that'd work with it

[twin dew]

The pinout is standard AFAIK.
And doesn't even need optical ones, just real source good ones.
Unfortunately the stuff you can buy on Amazon, Ebay, AliExpress etc. cannot be trusted.

[languid gulch]

too bad we don't get any good tech shows during the year. which is really fucking stupid considering we have honeywell, intel, & AMD fabs all within about a 30 minute drive

[visual tree]

R.I.P.

Time to get a new alarm system...

[night girder]

Baldur, 2nd day. No crash. Game ran 9-10 hours yesterday.

Still too early to be sure, sure looks promising.

[charred pewter]

unit time reset ?

is this going to be the next "y2k" fiasco 😄

[edgy hazel]

Yes

[charred pewter]

i hell as sure know i use unix timestamp ints for everything myself in code LOL ...

but but ! i store them in BIGint... 😉

or some of the older tables... unsigned int

while the cells can hold many years further, i guess 'getting' the timestamp will be failing to do so

[twin dew]

Which is why many places have started to move to Int64 for them.

[charred pewter]

"Decimal" ??

[night girder]

Linux originally used a 64-bit time_t for 64-bit architectures only; the pure 32-bit ABI was not changed due to backward compatibility.[19] Starting with version 5.6 of 2020, 64-bit time_t is supported on 32-bit architectures, too. This was done primarily for the sake of embedded Linux systems.[20]

[edgy hazel]

Thing is a LOT of devices still use Unix time

[charred pewter]

a lot

[edgy hazel]

Especially ones that don't update or only do it very rarely cough governments cough

[charred pewter]

like banking systems =p

its amazing how archaic working with credit card gateways is and processors

[night girder]

Seems like windows uses FILETIME, 64-bit integer

and SYSTEMTIME can go to 30.000 👍

most issues with windows will come from C/C++ time_t class.

gotta love overflows

[jagged snow]

Airlines light be worse

[night girder]

it's not that companies had time enough to prepare for this issue

[edgy hazel]

I know from personal experience, that at least one airline uses servers that are more years older than this is away

so yeah airlines might be the prime example

[night girder]

What has the age of a server how to do with a software problem? 😒

[edgy hazel]

updating

[night girder]

if they patch/update the servers to mitigate the problem, they should be fine

[edgy hazel]

firmware releases

[twin dew]

They are using so old servers because nothing newer can run the software.

[jagged snow]

@night girder https://youtu.be/1-m_Jjse-cs?si=s3z8sPbjjUqit4xB

[night girder]

[night girder]

I still believe in this 👆

[jagged snow]

Oh, they absolutely had time to prepare

But orgs procrastinate worse than indiciduals

[twin dew]

Instead of rewriting the main server software, multiple airlines just wrote screen scraping software thingies to layer on top of the old text-only interfaces.

[night girder]

I wonder when there was first reports of the 2038 problem. 90's maybe?

[twin dew]

Been talked since 2000 or so at least.

[night girder]

because intiger overflows are nothing new.

[jagged snow]

Most documentation has advised against using 32-bit int for time since almost 10y ago

[twin dew]

But in a way the airline backend server software might be too old to get hit by this specific bug, still originally using just separate character fields for day, month and year probably, with originally 2 character year, fixed for Y2K to 4 character.

[night girder]

might take a snapshot before 2038 of all metadata on my systems. store it in a file to be safe

don't want my photo's metadata to get messed up 😂

[twin dew]

The 2038 thingie has already started to affect financial industry.

[night girder]

I remember that.

[night girder]

Synology (NAS) should be good, since DSM is a Linux distro.

[charred pewter]

ah, good points ....

PEANUT TAX!

[edgy hazel]

PEANUT TAX

https://tenor.com/view/wedding-crasher-hro-gif-25636997

[charred pewter]

cant not pass go without scratchyg the kitty's head first !

[night girder]

that's bribing frigid

[charred pewter]

works for her 😄

[night girder]

oh like that haha

I though you bribing us with cute cat pics

[edgy hazel]

well he did and successfully

[charred pewter]

that too

[visual tree]

I highly doubt it's going to be 1 Tbps but still, that's a lot

[twin dew]

Easy to make slides with big numbers.

[edgy hazel]

and 6g will be even lower coverage ;-;

[visual tree]

So far I've read is that some chinese laboratory managed to reach a speed 10 to 20 times faster than 5G

But that is in controlled and perfect environment

[twin dew]

Yes, you can do insane things in lab, with faraday cage around it and no care about how wide frequency band you use, or how much gear is needed.

[visual tree]

Hope 10 Gbit/s equipment will be cheap by 2030 when 6G is expected to be comercially available

Nevermind, I must be living under a rock

Considering the write/read speed and capacity, this is actually cheap

[dire igloo]

it absolutely isn't

2TB for $180 is awful

you can almost get a 4TB NM790 at that price

[night girder]

€ 107,90 for 2TB NM790 -read 7.400MB/s write 6.500MB/s

[dire igloo]

In the US, your best options for highend 2TB are A440 non-Pro, P5 Plus, T500, S70 Blade and ADATA Premium for PS5.
Personally, I'd pick T500

and ignore sequential speeds, they hardly translate into real world performance

[visual tree]

Guess it's time for some shopping

[night girder]

ignore the 980. But that's he speed for NM790

[visual tree]

Don't know what to do with sata ssd though. Guess I could install it in a laptop that has hdd

And use another one as a backup disc

Got like 3 sata ssd

From the time my motherboard didn't support nvme

[night girder]

I love nvme.

[dire igloo]

still fine for OS, games and data (if it has DRAM)

I'm using a couple myself

[night girder]

I just think the size of nvme m2 is perfect.

[tough owl]

I bought a dji mini 3. I need a microSD card. Anyone have any preferences?

[night girder]

I like sandisk.

[tough owl]

There’s a lot of em

[night girder]

I mean, what's your budget 🤷‍♂️

SanDisk MicroSDXC Extreme Pro 256GB 200MB/s for 123 euro

[tough owl]

I don’t think I need one that can do 200Mb/s

100mbps max is the bitrate of the video feed.

[night girder]

Fancy 😏

[tough owl]

Pretty expensive

[night girder]

so many too choose from 😒

[tough owl]

https://a.co/d/apKKzz4

I just realized

I have one of these somewhere

Bought it originally to use with my deck

[night girder]

problem solved.

I just never used samsung micro sd cards

[tough owl]

I have used them and sandisk. Don’t really have a preference

[night girder]

only had samsung ssd and a m2

[tough owl]

I’ve never bought an ssd from sammy

[night girder]

I think they are bit expensive and there might be better alternatives, for ssd/m2

[night girder]

when does it arrive?

[tough owl]

Christmas

[visual tree]

Use it to annoy the bad neighbors

I need this https://youtube.com/shorts/YjSzVHFrjRQ?feature=shared

[tough owl]

I could do this

[visual tree]

Now you only need to buy a roman candle

[tough owl]

I know where to buy them

[night girder]

that's funny as hell

[visual tree]

I love the flying ghost pranks

Although you could hear the drone sound and know it's fake

[charred pewter]

i could fly my drone over to someone with an attached 'airhorn' (small air cannister kind you take to ball games) ... lol scare the crap out of someone fly up , HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRNK ...

[visual tree]

We have a neighbor who keeps revving the engine at night often and it annoys everyone. I should ask him if he likes fireworks

https://youtube.com/shorts/xwIwnNllJII?feature=shared

This one is attached to a drone with long strings so people might not notice the drone and noise depending on how far the drone is

You could camouflage the noise with eerie music through

Lol https://youtu.be/Ak2lomJ3FFU?feature=shared

[sharp oasis]

I like cars bur not in I'm a asshole to my neighbors

[maiden coyote]

I wonder where the vbios would be on a video card

[jagged snow]

There's a bios chip just like a mobo

[maiden coyote]

Pwm controller. Nope

16Mbit SPI flash.. that looks promising