off-topic-tech

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/subway-train-new-york-gif-22114430

[jagged snow]

Would you stop it with the mass transit shilling?
It's really not feasible in many cases unless you want to force everyone to go urban

[edgy hazel]

mass transit shilling
that's the most american wording ever

[languid gulch]

🤣

[jagged snow]

I agree that mass transit is good(better in most cases), but in some cases it's not

[edgy hazel]

brother you're american

[languid gulch]

i mean, i kind of agree. you really do need the population desnity to justify it

[jagged snow]

But you bring it up everytime somebody mentions a person going somewhere outside of their house

[edgy hazel]

I don't

[dusk rivet]

greatly encouraging urbanization would go a long way to helping reduce the world's carbon footprint

[edgy hazel]

But that just might be the american in you cringing at the word public

[jagged snow]

Yeah no, urbanization sucks

[dusk rivet]

you produce a lot less carbon walking to a grocery store than you do driving 20 minutes to the grocery store

[jagged snow]

What do you mean by that?

[languid gulch]

my area definitely doesn't justify burning a billion dollars/km for it, especially thru dirt that's half sand, half clay, & 100% equipment-destroying concretion

[dusk rivet]

i can't for the life of me spell properly rn

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/jetbus-burning-bus-jet-gif-11850757

like 90% of frankfurts bus transport is already electric

btw

[dusk rivet]

using more public transportation also greatly helps

[languid gulch]

now, if i was to suddenly get a grant to spend $10k to convert my car to full electric, i'd do it even if it halved my range

[edgy hazel]

but yes I absolutely would walk

[dusk rivet]

having 40 people on 1 bus produces less co2 than 10 people in separate cars

[gilded helm]

The other 30 have to stay at home?

[edgy hazel]

the only time I use PT is to get to the office (when I need to) and to get to friends that are further away

[languid gulch]

lol yea, having reasons not to travel to begin with would be even better

[dusk rivet]

not what my point was

[edgy hazel]

the last time I was in a car is about 4 months ago

[dusk rivet]

i'd use public transportation if it was physically possible

[maiden coyote]

jet airplanes are more efficient than cars.

[jagged snow]

Even so, 10 seperate busses with 8 people each would produce even more co2

[languid gulch]

jet engine in car, got it

[jagged snow]

And that's the reason it won't work everywhere

[dusk rivet]

don't see people taking jet airplanes for a 10 mile commute to work

[gilded helm]

With some to provide downforce 👍

[jagged snow]

ThrustSSC

[edgy hazel]

Also

[maiden coyote]

yes.

[gilded helm]

That reminds me, are Cyberpunk's cars still disappointing in terms of performance?

[dusk rivet]

encouraging urbanization along with bolstering public transporation in the areas where it would work currently would go a long way

[maiden coyote]

or combined cycle car. jet turbine + steam lol

[edgy hazel]

May I introduce to you the cheapest form: Trams

[dusk rivet]

also safer, quieter, and honestly nicer to look at

[edgy hazel]

infrastructure is cheap cheap, running cost is basically the salary of the driver

[jagged snow]

Bolstering it in areas where it works, sure. I strongly dislike urbanization and don't ever desire to live anywhere larger than where I do now

[languid gulch]

cannot tell you how many idiots in cars insist on driving down those tracks & are shocked when a train shows up

[maiden coyote]

That's fine and all, but I don't like people. If I have the option to drive, or sit in a crowed bus. I will drive myself.

[languid gulch]

wolf be like this is my daily driver:

[maiden coyote]

do they have active sight and smell control too?

[dusk rivet]

from a utilitarian pov urbanization is great, though some people would prefer to live on massive plots of land that serve little to no function

and i never said force urbanization, i said encourage

like by increasing taxes of non-urbanized areas and reducing taxes in urbanized areas

[languid gulch]

not having to share a wall with annoying neighbors is a big plus

[jagged snow]

That's such an incredibly bad idea

I can't even explain how bad it is
It's already been done, and it sucks

[edgy hazel]

absolutely. Increasing the taxes on the top earners is the priority

[jagged snow]

Also I strongly dislike that idea as well

[edgy hazel]

Why

[dusk rivet]

hard to legislate higher taxes for wealthy individuals when the people writing the legislation are practically living off the funds from wealthy individuals

[maiden coyote]

me and my gf are planning on taking a cross country amtrack train adventure at some time in the future.. I don't know when. new orleans to los angelas by train is like $1400 or something

[dusk rivet]

would be great if they made lobbying illegal

[edgy hazel]

Because the best economic times were ALWAYS when the taxrate of the top earners was extremely high. In any country.

Any time

in history

[maiden coyote]

we need lobbiest. paid lobbying should be illegal however.

[jagged snow]

Because you're penalizing succes at that point

[dusk rivet]

which is what i meant, i just didn't adequately articulate that

[maiden coyote]

I think we should tax the ultra rich heavily.

[dusk rivet]

oh for sure

[dusk rivet]

reduce taxes on the poor, increase taxes on the ultra rich

[maiden coyote]

the fact that they've started space programs due to lack of stuff to spend money on is a pretty clear sign.

[jagged snow]

Again, why? That's incredibly injust.

[dusk rivet]

when you quite literally have more money than you know what to do with while there are people struggling to feed themselves, there's a problem

[edgy hazel]

just doing some research into it would change your viewpoint pretty quickly if you're actually interested in the common well-being

[maiden coyote]

To them, sure. that money could be and should be spent bettering everyone.

[jagged snow]

I've fairly well done my research, that doesn't mean I don't have to agree with it. Feel free to link articles though.

[maiden coyote]

You call it unfair, and maybe it is. but the bridge that's about to fall that I drive over everyday is unfair to me.

[jagged snow]

Then the government should do better with the money they have

[median walrus]

how tf is this about tech anymore

[dusk rivet]

i'd argue it's unjust for people that rich to even exist

[dusk rivet]

this channel sways wildly between actual tech talks and political conversations

usually when we run out of tech stuff to talk about it moves to politically charged topics

[edgy hazel]

it's just because these topic intertwine heavily

[jagged snow]

And maybe it is... but all throughout history there's always been a 1%(however different it looks). If you want to eliminate it, fix the system. Don't penalize people for succeding within the system.

[median walrus]

sounds about right

[dusk rivet]

"punish" is honestly ironic, not like they're gonna go starving

[maiden coyote]

Are you in the 1%? I'm not saying tax them til they're broke. they can keep their lifestyle and space program.

[dusk rivet]

they have billions

[jagged snow]

Not even close 🤣
I drive an '02 taurus with 200k miles

[dusk rivet]

that is an entirely unfathomable amount of money for 99% of people

though taxing the rich gets complicated as hell with how they keep their money stored

most of it being tied up in stocks, with not a lot being liquid

[maiden coyote]

They can stay billionairs, I don't care. but if they paid even 15% income tax (because they probably don't), it wouldn't effect their lifestyle at all and it would benefit humanity (if the money was spent wisely)

[edgy hazel]

slate.com/business/2017/08/the-history-of-tax-rates-for-the-rich.html
www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/01/tax-cuts-for-wealthy-impact-lse-study/

[maiden coyote]

stocks are different.. the way that works is you pay tax when you sell.. if you sell for a loss it's a tax writeoff.. if you sell for a profit you owe

[winged valley]

Not really technical but a guy gifted me ASA in exchange for basically telling him "turn on XMP also you need a new CPU"

[edgy hazel]

Anyways I really do not give a shit about people that only have 1 billion instead of 10 billion because of taxes.

[dusk rivet]

either way they can afford extravagant life styles most couldn't dream of

[edgy hazel]

I can't afford a tiny house in the countryside

[maiden coyote]

and the irony is, their tax rate is less than yours, because they have CPA's

[jagged snow]

But why? Why should sucess demonize them?

[edgy hazel]

IT'S NOT SUCCESS

[dusk rivet]

when you quite literally have more money than you know what to do with while there are people struggling to feed themselves, there's a problem

[jagged snow]

Again, fix the system, don't penalize people for succeeding within it.

[edgy hazel]

every single one in the top 1% has/had rich parents

[maiden coyote]

it is. I see his point. but just because you're sucessful doesn't mean you should be able to write off, and reduce the amount you owe in taxes.

[edgy hazel]

there is no "success"

[jagged snow]

I agree with that as well, the system has far too many loopholes

[dusk rivet]

ight i'm out, have a good night y'all

[jagged snow]

So generational wealth is bad now?

[edgy hazel]

YES

[jagged snow]

Why?

[maiden coyote]

Make everyone pay the same percentage. no deductions. (unless you're poor)

[jagged snow]

I can get behind that

[languid gulch]

i'd love to see fines be a percentage of income.

like german traffic tickets

[median walrus]

think a nordic country did this

[edgy hazel]

It kills any economic movement. The money is locked up in one pocket.
It keeps the money in one demographic
It undermines your whole idea of success and "work for it" attitude

generational wealth is horrible for any economy

instead of one super rich asshole keeping the money away from the working people you have generations of assholes keeping the money away

[languid gulch]

dragons need their hoard

[edgy hazel]

the center of homeowner is meow

and we all know that cats are evil

no offence @inner shale

[jagged snow]

Is it? To go back to the rocket example, just look at the massive amount of innovation and economic movement that have come from companies like spacex, amazon, etc.
SpaceX has outpaced the launch capabilities of every country on earth because of its unique standing as a privately held company

That wouldn't be possible at all in an economy where the ultra-wealthy were taxed at 90%

[edgy hazel]

you mean the 2.5 bil from the "US Space Force" plus 7bil in tax breaks and 900mil in subsidies by the US gov?

or are you referring to private investors?

Anyhow that money isn't made through the rise and grind mentality

And let's also mention that spaceX is being run horribly. Loosing money for no reason on launches made for publicity stunts

The money isn't coming from the top earners in any way.

[jagged snow]

What are you referring to there?

[maiden coyote]

(:

[jagged snow]

Amazing

Careful, don't let the gravity pull you into orbit

[jagged snow]

If you're talking about starship, it's a huge money sink atm but it'll land them so many contracts that weren't possible before that it'll make the cost of development back in a year or two of regular operation

[edgy hazel]

www.thestreet.com/technology/elon-musks-spacex-clocks-a-1-3-billion-government-win-hits-big-financial-milestone
www.eclipseaviation.com/spacex-a-private-company-that-relies-on-government-funding/
www.cnbc.com/2020/12/07/spacex-starlink-wins-nearly-900-million-in-fcc-subsidies-auction.html

[jagged snow]

That's just the gov. paying for launches

[maiden coyote]

starship is okay. I don't care for musk, but unlike benzo's and whatever other billionair.. musk's space program does appear to have a purpose

[edgy hazel]

Also keep in mind that Starlink is also run through SpaceX which is heavily subsidised

[jagged snow]

Tbh I don't really care if they're subsidized, NASA, ULA, ArianneSpace, etc haven't made anywhere near as much progress

[maiden coyote]

nasa's got a new heavy lift rocket

[edgy hazel]

Point is, SpaceX wouldn't exist without gov intervention. (almost all of musks companies wouldn't exist)

[jagged snow]

That costs more per launch than all of the funding & tax breaks spacex has ever recieved combined

[maiden coyote]

nasas doesn't really let their stuff blow up either xD

[jagged snow]

I'm not saying gov. intervention is bad

[edgy hazel]

and they usually pay a living wage too

spaceX is made up of people who didn't get into NASA

[jagged snow]

I don't really think that's a problem

[edgy hazel]

it is

[sharp oasis]

As bad as Elon is. The tech is remarkable. And progress is being made

[jagged snow]

Why?

[maiden coyote]

not like my opionion matters, but for the sake of convo.. I think private space industry is/will be good for humanity. not space tourism however... that's trash

[sharp oasis]

Nasa has had stuff blow up too

[maiden coyote]

nasa has made major mistakes.. they're people with budgets too.

[edgy hazel]

that's not to musk tho. The people that work for him usually have a passion in that area but without the experience

[jagged snow]

Tourism is hopefully just the first step to industry... we'll see how it goes. Notably, the space tourism industry is floundering atm since there isn't much demnad

[jagged snow]

Musk has plenty of passion, just bad judgement in what he says/does sometimes from what I can tell. Maybe too much passion?

[sharp oasis]

Passion is what it takes to innovate sometimes.

[edgy hazel]

space tourism is such a dumb fucking idea only proving that we need to tax more

[maiden coyote]

starship heavy lift rocket is good though.. bigger payloads into orbit

[jagged snow]

And more effeciently

[maiden coyote]

natural gas as fuel vs expensive kerosene or hydrogen

[jagged snow]

It promotes tech development... and IMO it's not any worse/better than regular tourism stuff

[sharp oasis]

We need space tech development

[maiden coyote]

that's one thing you have to give to space x.. using a commonly available cheap fuel vs exotic hydrogen or ultrapure kerosene.. or solid rocket boosters.

[edgy hazel]

it moves the decision for funding from the gov/common good to private individuals

[languid gulch]

also SpaceX has actually flown & reused hardware, something that only the nasa shuttle has done at 30x the price per launch & nowhere near as reusable

[sharp oasis]

I wanna die knoing we might just actually make a Dyson sphere

[jagged snow]

Their engine tech is crazy good, from what I know that's all that allows it

[jagged snow]

it always starts that way, but eventually it'll trickle down to "plebs"... just like datacenter gpu tech

[edgy hazel]

I'm not saying spaceX is bad. Just that a lot of their funding is already done through the gov

[languid gulch]

oh 100%

[sharp oasis]

Like any company

[edgy hazel]

okay Reagan

[maiden coyote]

I think that's why they've been blowing up too.. I read a little bit about it. it's a completely different design from the saturn V

[languid gulch]

but it's also been one hell of a success for the investment

[sharp oasis]

There's gonna be some gov funding in it

[edgy hazel]

they act too carelessly but are making progress

[jagged snow]

The last launch failure was supposedly caused by structural damage for the first stage and fuel supply issues for the second, but it's hard to tell

[maiden coyote]

something to do with on the saturn v it syphons exhaust gas to power the turbopump (fuel pumps) but on space x it has a seperate jet turbine that powers the pumps. it's neat lol

[sharp oasis]

I mean both starship flights were unmanned

So no loss of human life

[languid gulch]

starship engines use full-flow staged combustion, which is probably the most complex way to do a rocket engine, but also ends up being more stable, reusable, & uses up all of the lox & fuel

[jagged snow]

Oh yeah, full-flow staged combustion for spacex

[edgy hazel]

human casualties are cheap

[sharp oasis]

It's better than Challanger / Colombia.

[edgy hazel]

doesn't amtter if manned or unmanned, it's only a matter of PR

[jagged snow]

Not to mention the most effecient/powerfull tech currently avaliable

[maiden coyote]

fuel issues on a rocket engine cause something called the pogo effect.. increased thrust, decreased thrust and it oscillates until it rips the rocket apart

[languid gulch]

yea, using up all the fuel & lox will do that

[jagged snow]

For something like starship where they're trying to maximise payload to orbit on such a large scale, it's more or less the only option

[sharp oasis]

Shits gonna explode

[languid gulch]

i found it really dumb that they went with hot staging, that's just begging for problems with the booster

[jagged snow]

In the case of full-flow staged combustion, it causes bigger issues than that... can cause internal detinations in the turbopump

[maiden coyote]

boom lol

[sharp oasis]

Kaboom

[languid gulch]

bangbangboom

[jagged snow]

If they can make it work, it'll add something like 80 tons to the payload to LEO

[jagged snow]

And if they can't make it work right away, they can still fly the boosters in expendable mode

[languid gulch]

after watching all the tiles falling off the ship, idk if it'll even survive deorbit

[jagged snow]

Since they're already cheaper to produce than any other launch vehicles

[jagged snow]

I think that'll be their biggest problem with ship as well. I'm really curious to see what they come up with

[languid gulch]

i'm starting to think the recycling coolant right on the skin might've been the right way to go

[edgy hazel]

imagine how good they would be if the gov would be able to fund them properly

[maiden coyote]

to compare, the shuttle could only carry 25 tons to LEO

[jagged snow]

Stoke space is pretty darn cool using similar tech

[languid gulch]

yea, saw that vid

[jagged snow]

Yeah, just look at ArianeGroup!

[languid gulch]

🤣

[maiden coyote]

so shuttle... 25 tons to LEO... space x starship... 165 tons to LEO

[jagged snow]

Pretty crazy... but It's weird to remember that that's a 40-year gap in development

[languid gulch]

i mean, it fuckin better for how big it is

[sharp oasis]

That's almost a singular maus

[maiden coyote]

the shuttle looks bigger tbh

[sharp oasis]

We should launch a maus to space

For the funny.

[jagged snow]

Remember that that's a comparison of starship upper stage to the entire shuttle launch vehicle

[maiden coyote]

consider the amount of fuel in the shuttle... SRB's... and that giant tank are all fuel and oxygen

[sharp oasis]

Yeet the 188 ton tank

[languid gulch]

MOAR BOOSTARS

[edgy hazel]

Again, spaceX is definetly not a privately funded comapny or even hardly a company

they're great

[maiden coyote]

oh that's just the upper stage.. I thought it looked a little like a chode rather than full blown dick

[languid gulch]

yea

[sharp oasis]

Space penis

[edgy hazel]

but it's not because there is some person who works 30000x as much as the average person

[languid gulch]

fuckit. shuttleship

[sharp oasis]

Oh

Wrong chat

[maiden coyote]

Wrong channel pal

[jagged snow]

Wrong channel, ask in #satisfactory or #1038092680493801533

[native flint]

ah sry

[sharp oasis]

Np man

[jagged snow]

No worries

We'll go back to arguing about which organization is the worst

[languid gulch]

energia

put the "pointy end goes up" in backwards

[maiden coyote]

clearly amazon's program is the worst :p

[sharp oasis]

All my homes hate Amazon

Fuck amazon

[edgy hazel]

just like in the streaming world

[jagged snow]

Blue origin has been a bit of a flop

[maiden coyote]

they want to offer their own starlink like internet for cheap. that's such a conflict of interest.. the same place that I buy everything on is going to provide me internet.. no ty

that's the same as what google and everyone else does now but still

[edgy hazel]

buy a car through amazon I swear it's great bro just buy a car bro please it's so great through amazon you get next day delivery

[sharp oasis]

Real

[edgy hazel]

also wake me up when we have this

[languid gulch]

i can't wait to see an aldrin cycler up & running

[sharp oasis]

I will ask to be ressurected when we somehow make a Dyson sphere

[maiden coyote]

if I buy it now and I can return it by jan 31 sure.

by that point, you'll probably never have to worry about dying again.

[languid gulch]

yea but you can set an alarm to wake yourself up when another big thing happens

[maiden coyote]

our brains will be computers.

or virtual human brains in a computer.

[edgy hazel]

man let's just start with the other organs please?

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6JFTmQCFHg

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/viktor-arcane-viktor-gif-25794409

Like don't get me wrong, replacing a brain is insane and a huge technical leap, but we currently can't even replace a liver or a lung

(which would be way more useful)

[languid gulch]

idk i'm sure some people have brains we could duplicate right now without much issue

they're even voting & paying taxes

[edgy hazel]

You mean middle management ?

Because we sure as shit know that sales people ain't paying taxes anyways

I know some that you could replace with chatgpt which make more in a month than you in a year

[sharp oasis]

Livers can regenerate

Iirc

[edgy hazel]

there is a point of no return

source: I had a few family members dies because of a fucked liver

[languid gulch]

a person can donate their liver, once. what regrows is "weird", & undonateable

[edgy hazel]

And even a donated liver might not help

Don't get me wrong. I have my donor card filled out. I'm getting gutted like a fish when I die (except my balls because I filled it out at 15)

I'd also donate blood if germany wasn't so homophobic (O- gang)

[languid gulch]

i don't think i could donate my lenses, but yea, just about everything else up for grabs

[jagged snow]

How crazy is this? https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/12/is-chatgpt-becoming-lazier-because-its-december-people-run-tests-to-find-out/

[abstract hawk]

sure the company is making big moves but the person funding that company is... questionable

[abstract hawk]

that one from the gif is actually russia. someone installed a sensor which had a truangular housing for it. they somehow managed to place it upside down... how they did that I have no idea

[twin dew]

Intel did Itanium, AMD extended x86 to 64-bit, which Intel then had to use too when Itanium flopped.

[abstract hawk]

I’ve only used chatgpt once and I am genuinely scared of what it can do. It wrote 90% of the code I needed to make it so when I press a button a song gets added to a specific playlist

[twin dew]

The tax brackets work that first $A is taxed at Y%, next $B is taxed at Z%, so on.
So the high earners have their first parts of income taxed at low rates too.
Flat tax is much more unjust, as that is actually regressive, where the low income earners will actually have much less to use as the percentage of their income that will go into tax + necessities will be much higher.
As the necessities part doesn't really change no matter how high your income is.

Being taxed 50% or even the historical 90% of your income above the first million a year?
Still extra money.

[twin dew]

Yes it would, because the tax is on the profit/income.
If you use it in the company and don't take it out, it isn't income that is taxed...

When the taxes on companies were high, they used their money for research, grow, paying their employees etc. and the profit was somewhat low because the company was using the money they were getting for something useful.
Now when the taxes on companies are low, they just make profit and the money just goes to either off-shore accounts, to the rich, or to stock buybacks (again to the rich).

So if for example tax brackets were: 0% on first 5k, 5% for 5k-20k, 10% for 20k-50k, 20% 50k-100k, 40% for 100k-500k 65% for 500k-1M and then 90% for 1M+.
How would that be against the rich or unfair?
The amount that is left over every year is already mind-boggling.
And that is only on realized gains for example, not holding to the stock etc. which doesn't get taxed when the stock price increases, unless you sell.

But any flat tax, or consumption taxes like VAT etc. are regressive, and hit poor people much harder than rich.

[twin dew]

If company made 1B revenue with 100M of cost to do it, and then used 850M on research etc., the profit would only be 50M. And taxes would only be on that 50M, as example for company taxes.
When the theoretical profit was 900M if they dropped the "extras".

But using the 900M for something actual is much better for the economy vs. getting it out as profit is.

But worse for the rich owners and exec-level people personal immediate fortunes.

Also usually better for the company in long run too to invest, and not make it profit.

[languid gulch]

but also there's stock buybacks that are somehow not viewed as what they are, which is yanking company profit out of the company & pocketing it

and that's somehow not considered income

[night girder]

December 4th:

A company releases a game. With a lot of promises. People think it's a scam. But they say it aint.

fast forward a week.

[mental oriole]

I have to catch up on that...

[night girder]

it's juicy

and also just a trainwreck

[night girder]

I wonder if netflix is back up.

[tulip stratus]

Just joined, so true. People forget that for millenia the entire basis of a strong economy for the rich being strong for the poor is the ability for that money to be spent in the community. If a guy makes a buisness and makes 3 million dollars and spends a large portion of that on goods in the community, there is still massive wealth extraction but they spend that money in your community and is trades hands for goods all around. When that sane buisness gets replaced with a Walmart that wealth gets extracted out of the community for ever and becomes a new bank account in the cayman Islands

[jagged snow]

If that's the case, tax luxury goods etc, not the income

[bronze lintel]

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[edgy hazel]

Huh

[jagged snow]

What model did that?

[jagged snow]

Who made a ticket?

[edgy hazel]

Idk what is happening

[night girder]

😒

[jagged snow]

Yeah I'm confused

[night girder]

Your Honor. Herg is innocent!

[edgy hazel]

Am I getting banned for a photorealistic painting of a Ford?

[night girder]

let's see and find out

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confused-face-confused-look-im-confused-gif-2414064269579871793

[night girder]

A "simple" script to change default browser to Firefox for searching with the start menu web.

This should have been a feature ffs.

Why do users have to hack everything to get it to work the way we want.

[jagged snow]

@edgy hazel #1184119554197164072 message

Doesn't know what hardware is

[dusk rivet]

people really should learn at least the bare minimum about their pc

[night girder]

wtf are they doing 😒

[edgy hazel]

bro tryna play satisfactory on an intel mac

[night girder]

with an emulator (which adds extra strain on system)

[edgy hazel]

and 8GB ram

[night girder]

I mean, minimum specs.

[dusk rivet]

i5 quad core at 3.4ghz

[night girder]

But wine on top of that oof.

[edgy hazel]

yeah emulating on that is ruff

[dusk rivet]

it’s like exactly at min specs

[night girder]

never had a pleasant gaming experience on a Mac anyway.

[dusk rivet]

other than the windows bit

[night girder]

not what they are made for.

[edgy hazel]

I play bloonstd6 on it

[night girder]

ok, like flash games. 👌

[edgy hazel]

this is going into my folder

[jagged snow]

So good

Find out what that ticket was for?

[night girder]

Doubt they will go for bootcamp.

Ticket is still open so 🤷‍♂️

[night girder]

you didn't realize that when they send screenshot of their specs

I give up.

want to send a link to google translate.

might also be someone younger and doesn't understand what is going on

fight or flight, send him a link to factorio 😆 Maybe they are able to run that

[dusk rivet]

translator go brrr

[night girder]

Baldur, CSS should pay you for support 😆

[charred pewter]

still going huh ?

[night girder]

for some reason 🤷‍♂️ just a matter of time

[tulip stratus]

Taxing luxury goods only works if they buy them, the richest people in the world don't really buy things that's the problem, you would just tax middle/upper middle class people living beyond their means even more, which is fine in some cases but the middle class unironically does the brunt of the tax bill these days.

[night girder]

it does feel like it's becomming a bit more unstable. Long freezes after alt + tabbing from a video to GW2. But no crashes 🤞

[sand saddle]

Yachts, private airplanes, million dollar cars, etc

[jagged snow]

Probably tome to drop the convo, but yeah I see your point

[night girder]

Was it you who recommend me a clean install of OS?

Or Fireworker 😒

[charred pewter]

or baldur, or herg, or

[night girder]

nah, neither of them. Herg said DDU.

[charred pewter]

wasnt me! 😄

[edgy hazel]

maybe the decision was in your heart all along

[twin dew]

Didn't go for it before the HW side had been tested.

[night girder]

But I think it was fight or flight who had the same problem, PC crash. And a clean installed fixed it.

Don't want to cheer victory yet. But looks promising.

[night girder]

Yeah, made perfect sense.

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/spell-book-gif-19928346

[jagged snow]

Me, I think

[night girder]

So weird ...

[jagged snow]

It worked?

[night girder]

Most I got is 4 hours of stable game.

Since fresh OS yesterday, it run for 7 (went to bed around 1AM). And today it's been running for 3.30.

[jagged snow]

Well, that's good news!

[night girder]

it would be amazing!

[night girder]

new feature ...

Microsoft is going to recommend apps in the share menu now.

As if they aren't pushing their 💩 in our faces enough.

[edgy hazel]

there is a share menu

?

[night girder]

Fresh install of my OS and it looks like this:

all bloatware. They aren't installed. Just links to the store.

[edgy hazel]

that's weird

[maiden coyote]

Windows does that now

[night girder]

22635-2850-beta-channel

But now they going to add more of their adds in different places.

Because clearly putting it on the start menu isn't enough. No no.

[edgy hazel]

22631.2792 yeah I'm not in beta

[maiden coyote]

Is there a way to disable the share menu?

[night girder]

I don't have a share using menu 😄

[twin dew]

Probably with GPO at least?

[maiden coyote]

Neither do i.. I thought that was more of a phone thing

[night girder]

I hope they add it here:

I just wonder what Microsoft obsessions is with pushing their own tools like that?

or they that insecure? They don't believe in their own product?

[edgy hazel]

ps as admin:
Remove-Item -Path Registry::HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\\*\\shellex\\ContextMenuHandlers\\ModernSharing -Recurse -Force

[night girder]

Yeah. Not doing that.

You know that removing packages also leaves a bunch of crap? Like, sure it's gone. But the connections to other parts in the OS are still there.

[twin dew]

That isn't removing package, it is just removing the Share entry from right click menu.

[night girder]

For example, if I remove xbox gaming bar. I still find traces of it in my settings etc.

[night girder]

I know.

[edgy hazel]

^^

[night girder]

No. It's editing the registry.

Even removing an entry from it it seems.

[twin dew]

Editing the part of registry that contains the right-click menu entries.

[night girder]

Just stupid, it's pulling out cards from a card house.

[edgy hazel]

It's just removing the option

[night girder]

Eventually it will fall flat.

Just speaking out of experience.

A costumer, shouldn't need to go into registry or GPO. Like the average one.

[edgy hazel]

the average consumer also doesn't loose their marbels over a share menu

[night girder]

Consumers shouldn't do that to remove a little App.

👆 And that stuff is nasty. It just remove a package, without an actual cleanup

[twin dew]

Because that is part of the base OS, and you aren't supposed to be able to remove it.

Just disable it with simple toggle in Settings.

[sand saddle]

Imagine paying 100+ for an OS with ads and shit

[night girder]

I will always be against this top-down approach when it comes to software and packages etc.

[night girder]

Yeah, but the "official" advice remains that.

[edgy hazel]

It's like wanting to remove the popcorn button on a microwave. Shire you might not need or want it, but it's part of the product

[night girder]

and the fact it's ALL over the internet CLEARLY means people want to get rid of it.

[edgy hazel]

Nah

[night girder]

popcorn button has use.

xbox gaming bar is just pushing their own XBOX...

[edgy hazel]

Xbox menu too

[night girder]

man, fuck that shit. Linux knows it's right.

[edgy hazel]

I don't use the popcorn button. You don't use the Xbox gaming stuff.

[night girder]

and let's not kid ourself. It's not just 1 app. It's like ordering a microwave, with 5000 buttons. And you only need 10.

[twin dew]

Those are removable, as they are just forced addons on retail versions.
That actually usually only get installed once you connect the computer to Internet.

[night girder]

you may not agree with me, Microsoft is super agressive in pushing their own stuff wherever they can.

[edgy hazel]

Oh no my OS ships with install links for popular apps whatever will I do

[night girder]

Hell, even Apple doesn't do this shit.

[edgy hazel]

surely right clicking and selecting remove is a burden too big to carry

[twin dew]

Yes?
Because you as consumer OS user are a product at this point.
Not customer.

[night girder]

So? Doesn't mean I like it. I am not the one not agreeing with myself.

you both seem to like it. (or not care)

[twin dew]

Just not raging here, as it helps no-one.

[edgy hazel]

I do not care

[night girder]

Not raging. Just stating facts.

[twin dew]

There is reason I don't use Home or Pro version.

[night girder]

we shouldn't mess around in powershell to uninstall apps.

we shouldn't mess around in registry to remove certain features.

[edgy hazel]

I shouldn't have to use a screwdriver to remove the popcorn button

[twin dew]

Use the Feedback hub to complain instead so there is even small chance that someone at MS reads?

[night girder]

nah just leaving this out in the hopes that people will think twice before executing stuff in powershell

[edgy hazel]

what

that's not what this conversation was about

[night girder]

remove registry entries. remove packages.

[night girder]

yes?

[twin dew]

Just need to understand what the command does?
And poking around in that specific part of registry is what official toggle would do too.

[edgy hazel]

you complained about preinstalled apps for 30 minutes

[night girder]

In my experience it's way more complicated than that.

[edgy hazel]

how does that relate to teaching people about safety with powershell commands

play around with powershell. Fuck up your registry. You only live once. Have fun.

[night girder]

great advice 👍

[edgy hazel]

that's literally what I do

[night girder]

👍

[twin dew]

There are also programs specifically coded to edit those right-click-menu entries.

[night girder]

I know.

https://github.com/ntdevlabs/tiny11builder

[edgy hazel]

^^ that will fuck up your install

[solemn spire]

are you dutch or belgian? just asking bc of your username

[night girder]

Belgian 😉

[solemn spire]

ah oke dacht in ieder geval wel deze hoek van de wereld

[edgy hazel]

oh god he's speaking drunk german

[night girder]

the best german

[solemn spire]

hahaha

germans speak drunk dutch

[night girder]

en jij?

[solemn spire]

nederland

[night girder]

ah neighbours 😄

the best kind!

[edgy hazel]

Fucken hate both of ya countries

[night girder]

mutual.

[edgy hazel]

But also France

And Austria

And Switzerland

[solemn spire]

okay

[charred pewter]

heh

[night girder]

he is german

[solemn spire]

figured

[edgy hazel]

And Denmark

[solemn spire]

classic germans

[charred pewter]

france .....

[solemn spire]

true, couldve been easily french as well

XD

[night girder]

Nah, the french love everyone

[solemn spire]

maybe the french part of belgium

but not the french french haha. on valorant its always the french that are toxic

[night girder]

Oh no. R.I.P. E3.

[charred pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/sir-peaks-kasse3bitte-peaks-peaks-gif-19022626

[dire igloo]

Luxemburgish is dutch sobering up

[charred pewter]

@night girder still going ok ?

[edgy hazel]

I still don't know what's happening

[night girder]

someone reported you.

[edgy hazel]

for what tho?

[charred pewter]

one can never understand a SJW

they could be offended by tom and jerry, they could be offended by fords, they could be offended by oil ... who the fuck knows

[night girder]

probably think your memes belong in a meme channel or something 🤷‍♂️

[charred pewter]

or maybe the creator of tom and jerry was some bad person, and they were offended you used a reference

[edgy hazel]

ah so you reported me

[night girder]

or racist because it contained the word black

[charred pewter]

oh dear, right ... a "black ford" ...

[night girder]

nah, have no time for that 😆

[charred pewter]

honestly though .... i dont understand the image ... guessing at its some weird take on AI generation or something ...

[edgy hazel]

nah it's oil on canvas

which is why I posted it because it's insane

[dire igloo]

Super realistic

Looks like a photo

Actually a painting

[edgy hazel]

gotta check out his other works

[charred pewter]

its a gif or jpg ...

[edgy hazel]

this is also from him

[charred pewter]

oh, ok, i see... since it was only pointing at one image, i didnt see the other images

makes more sense now, the meme 😉 i thought you meant that meme was a painting of oil on canvas

and im like how... its just a cheap junky meme lol

so back to the initial Q at hand, yeah, why did someone report that ... ??

oh well!

[edgy hazel]

that's watercolour btw

[charred pewter]

watercolor, oil, acrylic, mustard and ketchup ... when you are tallented like that, the medium doesnt matter

[dire igloo]

I hate using the word "talent" with art

There's a lot of work going into those pieces, a lot of training and also a lot of failure

[edgy hazel]

I held it in

but yes it should be called skilled

[dire igloo]

"talent" implies some god-given power that you did nothing for

[dire igloo]

Exactly

[night girder]

maybe for you it does.

[edgy hazel]

"innate" "Natural"

[night girder]

Natural endowment or ability of a superior quality.

[dire igloo]

Synonym: gifted

[night girder]

ability of super quality = something you can develop.

[dire igloo]

Usual interpretation is natural endowment tho

You'd rather use "gifted" as a synonym than "skilled"

[edgy hazel]

bro stop doing this shit again. Just call it skilled. Every artist would kill you if you play them down as talented instead of acknowledging the years of hard work they put into it.

and this whole "but acktually this word can be layet out like this if I do mental gymnastics" is dumb

[dire igloo]

It is part of the official definition

[night girder]

Believe what you want. I have no talent for drawing. Doesn't mean I cannot develop a talent for it by 1000000 of hours of practice. Sure maybe someone else needs 1000 hours to get where I get.

[dire igloo]

"Talented" lies between gifted and skilled

[night girder]

Or having an affinity for...

[dire igloo]

That's nothing you develop

[night girder]

No. I think people mix up talent with affinity.

[dire igloo]

Also, having an affinity for smth doesn't make you good at it

[night girder]

gives you head start

[dire igloo]

As I said:
You'd rather use "gifted" as a synonym than "skilled"

[night girder]

I just use talent.

[dire igloo]

Which is meaningless when discussing the meaning of the word talent or talented itself

[night girder]

Because I don't believe in "A marked innate ability, as for artistic accomplishment. " as a definition.

👆

[dire igloo]

I don't know any appropriate words in German, but I still hesitate to say talented

[dire igloo]

Doesn't matter what you believe.
What matters is what commonfolk believes

[night girder]

You a sheep? - I am not.

[edgy hazel]

All artists I know hate being called talented

[dire igloo]

I can define "asshole" as a term for something or someone that gets rid of annoyances.

Doesn't make it okay to call people assholes tho

[night girder]

We had this discussion about words so many time. People call AI, AI. Some don't. 😄

[night girder]

Language = interpretations. You cannot fully decouple those two. There is context too.

[dire igloo]

Exactly

[night girder]

So what is wrong with me saying I don't believe in that definition of a talent?

[edgy hazel]

Talk to Webster then

[dire igloo]

And context here is: skilled artistic people hate to be called talented because it neglects the time and effort they spent on developing their skill

[dire igloo]

That the people who it affects do believe in it

[night girder]

Why do you think there are SEVEN definitions of one word ... interpretation + context

why do you think the definition of a single word, is different between dictionaries?

[dire igloo]

If you define the N-word as a neutral describing word for black people, that still doesn't make it okay for you to call them that

[edgy hazel]

Yeah and in the context of art you always mean a natural ability

[night girder]

Yeah, one is an insult.

While the other word is more of a compliment.

[dire igloo]

As I said:
You'd rather use "gifted" as a synonym than "skilled"

[edgy hazel]

It's not tho

[dire igloo]

If you don't interpret it as an insult, it won't be one

[night girder]

we never defined talent as a natural ability, I know the story of the bible with the talents (coins). It's something they wanted me to believe. I don't believe it.

[edgy hazel]

It's just saying that the artist is naturally better than others which is in many cases just not true

[night girder]

Like I said: I have 0 talent for drawing. Not born with the gift. Doesn't mean I can develop it.

[dire igloo]

People started a shit storm against a colored pencil maker because they wrote "negro" on their black pencil - it was just Spanish for black

[night girder]

Maybe if I go full crazy and do nothing else than drawing, maybe eventually people will say I make nice work and call me talented 😆

[edgy hazel]

No you develop a skill. Not a talent.

[dire igloo]

Doesn't matter what you think, it matters what the people it affects think

[night girder]

People will still go to a gallery, look at a drawing and say: "now that is talent."

[dire igloo]

View it this way:
Imagine you thought the N-word wasn't a slur. Anything you say to defend "talented ≠ gifted" applies to "N-word ≠ a slur" as well

[dire igloo]

Because those people are just as ignorant as you are

[night girder]

I am not ignorant. I don't believe in "born with abilities to do shit perfect" crap.

[dire igloo]

Someone else might say "very skillful painter"

[dire igloo]

Yes, you are.

Artists don't want to be called talented.
You defend calling them talented

[dire igloo]

Black people don't want to be called the N-word.
You defend calling them the N-word.

[night girder]

You are making so much assumptions holy...

[dire igloo]

Same logic

[edgy hazel]

this is the whole conversation. It's not technically correct or nice to call it talented

[dire igloo]

Isn't your whole point "talented ≠ gifted"?

[night girder]

"Artists don't want to be called talented." - Who said that? Who? You know all artists?

[edgy hazel]

they don't

[night girder]

I know plenty of artists who blush when they get a compliment. I know plenty of artists who want to be invisible.

[dire igloo]

Any artist I've ever seen or heard talk about the meaning of "talent"

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-arguing-guy-talking-to-wall-talking-brick-wall-gif-18667615

[dire igloo]

"you're talented" isn't a compliment for many artists

They will appreciate your good intentions, but they won't like it

[night girder]

🤷‍♂️ I would take it as it is. If someone says* I am talented. I just know I worked my ass off to get where I got. I said what I said. A talent can be developed.

[dire igloo]

Watch them react to being called talented, being called gifted and being called skilled

[dire igloo]

You essentially said the N-word isn't a slur

[night girder]

Sure.

Whatever, twist my words around 😆

[dire igloo]

And justified it with "do you know ALL black people"?

[night girder]

Ok, now you making me into a racist. Good discussion 👍

[dire igloo]

Anything you have said in this discussion can be applied to that just as well

[dire igloo]

I'm trying to show the flaw in your logic

[night girder]

I don't know where you are finding these arguments, just because I said I don't believe in one single definition out of the x definitions of the word talent.

[dire igloo]

The N-word was also used as a non-judgemental descriptor of black people.
Doesn't mean it is okay to use

Every single point you tried to make applies to "N-word ≠ slur" as well

[charred pewter]

seriously, yall are bitching about the word "talent" ... must be an age thing ...

[dire igloo]

Because that's what you are doing.
You neglect the wish of affected people based on personal bias

[night girder]

No man. I am just saying what my philosophy is, the way I approach the word talent.

[narrow folio]

I don't get it either, maybe I'm too old?

[dire igloo]

And your philosophy doesn't align with what affected people want

[night girder]

But I am not affecting anyone 😒

[charred pewter]

i dont care enough about specific words to ... care ... talented ... skilled ... to me means all the same thing. i just dont give a shit otherwise to split letters about it. going to lunch

[dire igloo]

If artists don't want to be called talented, you affect them by calling them talented

[night girder]

If someone tells me personally they don't like to be called talented, I am going to respect that. But if someone asks me if I believe in talents. I will tell em no. Talent is something you can develop.

Else people might never pick up certain art forms becausee they aren't "talented". It's gate keeping.

[dire igloo]

Skilled, trained, gifted all mean the same?

Someone's good at something, that's all?

[night girder]

Screw the word talent. Do whatever you want. You want to game? Have no talent? So what? Game.

Just not going to gatekeep.

[dire igloo]

Okay, then respect that and don't call artists talented.
Use other words instead.

[narrow folio]

artists are... artistant?

[dire igloo]

If you respect black people's wish to not be called the N-word, it doesn't matter if you think whether or not it's a slur

[night girder]

You do know. That somewhere in the world. People would disagree with this right?

[dire igloo]

@edgy hazel what's your go-to pick for "skilled" in German?

[narrow folio]

isn't the 'N-word' a slur in itself already?

[night girder]

Like, I hope you realize, humans aren't a hive mind.

Because if you get upset because someone disagrees on the definition of the word talent, society can be rough.

[dire igloo]

Yes, probably.
But that's because of secondary factors: if you don't think the N-word is a slur, it likely means that you have other racist beliefs too

[dire igloo]

Started off as a simple descriptor, then turned into a slur

[night girder]

Yeah, but you brought that whole thing up in the discussion about artists being born with a talent or not 😆

[dire igloo]

I don't disagree on your definition of it, I disagree on your use of it

[night girder]

feels a bit out of context for the whole discussion.

[edgy hazel]

sau gut

[narrow folio]

Oink

[dire igloo]

🐷

[night girder]

Well, then you are as ignorant as me.

[dire igloo]

The whole discussion is:
Herg/F2K: "artists don't want to be called talented because it neglects the hard work"
Letterdief: "in my understanding of the word talented, it doesn't"

That's completely missing the point

[night girder]

"in my understanding of the word talented, it doesn't" - and I said over and over again that talent is developed.

[dire igloo]

If my definition of the N-word is the biggest compliment someone could give to something, that still doesn't make it okay to use or defend its use after someone asked me not to use it

[narrow folio]

how is being called talented neglecting the fact that it still is bard work to create valuable art?

[night girder]

talented doesn't neglect the hard work, in my definition is what I said. Because talents are developed. With hours and hours.

[night girder]

dunno, ask them.

[dire igloo]

That is the exact thing I was summing up with my message

[night girder]

They seem to think talent is one of the biggest insult you can throw around. The same as the N word apparantly 🤷‍♂️

[edgy hazel]

it's more a "skilled would be a better word since talent in the context of art almost always means a natural ability the artists didn't have to work for" kinda conversation

[dire igloo]

Because talent implies an innate ability, something bestowed upon you

And artists don't get good from a god-given power, they become good through hard work

[night girder]

Although multiple definitions have been posted by now that don't mention the word natural.

[narrow folio]

so the discussion is about 'it's in the genes' vs 'it was hard work to get there'

[dire igloo]

Definitions don't matter because if artists wish to not be called talented, you shouldn't call them talented

[dire igloo]

No, it's about this:
#off-topic-tech message

[night girder]

It kinda is.

[dire igloo]

It's not about the meaning of the word talented, it's about the usage of it

[night girder]

And again. You generalize all artists.

[dire igloo]

I brought up the N-word to show how your logic is flawed

[dire igloo]

You do too

[narrow folio]

I think you are splitting hairs here, but yeah... If you want me to not call you talented, but the hardest worker of an almighty painter god... Sure, you do you.

[night girder]

No, I don't. I acknowledge that I would respect someone if they don't like it. But I am not so stupid to think that humans are a hivemind and all think the same.

[dire igloo]

There are artists who wish to not be called talented, but based on your own personal interpretation of the word you would still do it

[night girder]

I know plenty of people who have no issue if I call em talented. All of them are artists.

You just seem to think everyone / all artists would be insulted if you call em talented. Which is stupid.

There is more people like me, especially in Belgium, who think "a talent is something you develope", so if they say "you are talented" that means you worked your butt off. That's reality for me.

[edgy hazel]

Again. Skilled would be a better word

[dire igloo]

"I know plenty of black people who are fine with being called the N-word"

Same logic

[night girder]

Just shows you how complex it is 🤷‍♂️

[dire igloo]

Asked an artistic friend rn.
Said she absolutely despises the word talented

[night girder]

Good.

[dire igloo]

*how ignorant you are

[narrow folio]

I'd think a person that is talented/skilled/working hard to get better at whatever they create should not be sent to a bad place in the head when someone is calling their ability to create art as talent. Whatever... Have fun, I'm out

[night girder]

bro, thinking everyone is the saame, bro accusing me of being ignorant 😆

my mother was an artist, she never minded.

So suuuuure, I am ignorant rofl 😆

[dire igloo]

Her words:
"Talent is a starting point. Skill is where you are now"

[night girder]

I mean we can go back and forth. You have friends. I have friends. I know people. You know people.

[dire igloo]

I'm just asking you to be respectful and not to assume that every artist is fine with being called talented

[night girder]

or just accept the fact, that not everyone agrees with it 🤷‍♂️

[dire igloo]

"I know plenty of black people who are fine with being called the N-word"

[night girder]

I never said that. Again, you putting words in my mouth.

[dire igloo]

I'm not going around blindly calling people talented

[dire igloo]

Even tho I know that people exist who don't like it

[night girder]

Where did I say that I call all people talented? Again, you seem to be not clear thinking or something? Maybe we just drop this discussion. But I just gave you my own definition. All the rest you are saying now, it's a story you are developing in your head. Nothing to do with me.

[dire igloo]

It's your entire logic - "I'll call every skilled artist talented until they tell me not to"

[night girder]

Again, no proof. Never said that. This is tiresome. 👋

[dire igloo]

YOUR definition doesn't matter if there are affected people out there which don't agree with it and would want you to not use it

[dire igloo]

No, I don't. I acknowledge that I would respect someone if they don't like it. But I am not so stupid to think that humans are a hivemind and all think the same.

Means the same as "I'll call artists talented until they tell me not to"

Might be a language thing tbh

[night girder]

No, ffs.

It means, I respect people opinion. But I am not so stupid to think that everyone hates to be called talented like you do.

[dire igloo]

Are you calling artists talented if they never told you whether or not they like it?

[dire igloo]

Now YOU are putting words in MY mouth

[night girder]

I don't know, I probably called people talented. 🤷‍♂️ What is this, a new woke thing that you cannot call anyone talented?

[twin dew]

Two types of artists: either doesn't care, or hates.
So why use it?

[narrow folio]

Oh, this still going on? You got no real problems to talk about?🤣

[twin dew]

When there is word that all of them accept?

[night girder]

man, since when is the N-word on the same level as "talented". I am so tired of this modern age 😦

[dire igloo]

Never said it is

[night girder]

well, you sure seem to make a big deal out of it.

[dire igloo]

Just used it to tell you that your logic and justification of calling artists talented is bullshit

[night girder]

Yeah, maybe not do that.

[narrow folio]

seems like walking around snowflakes on eggshells is a skill you need to learn to not offend anyone too much nowadays

[night girder]

You know shit like that just derails any normal discussion.

[edgy hazel]

the purpose of the US is to produce corn syrup, so jot that down

[dire igloo]

#off-topic-tech message

[dire igloo]

Same logic was used by racist assholes when they were told to not use the N-word

[narrow folio]

I kinda feel offended now. Would you please stop talking about that? Thanks

[night girder]

Just google around. You find all types of people 🤷‍♂️

Seems like we are not the first to have this discussion.

[edgy hazel]

Is not awful to use "talented". It's just better to use "skilled" because that actually appreciates the artists hard work

[dire igloo]

#off-topic-tech message

[night girder]

You want me to explain, why people use the word talented? You want me to explain, why free speech is still important? Pff. This is never going to end.

Doesn't anyone have tech news?

[twin dew]

.

[dire igloo]

NONE of that matters

#off-topic-tech message

[night girder]

"So why use it?" - I was refering to this. Because why not? People use words.

[edgy hazel]

And rule number one when giving compliments:

Always compliment something the person has actual influence over.

[night girder]

That brings us back to how I see talented. Something you develop. ⭕ So in that sense, you have influence over it?

[edgy hazel]

In the context of art, talent is not something they have influenced over, as it is a natural ability

Any other definition in that context is wrong

[dire igloo]

Because some people don't want to be called by that and there's a better word

[dire igloo]

Language thing probably

[night girder]

I respect your opinion. But I am not giving up the word talent. Neither am I changing my mind.

Neither do I appreciate being called ignorant for it like you did multiple times.

[edgy hazel]

we know that since your second message

[narrow folio]

so with talent and training/hard work you may get skilled
but without talent you have to put in waaay more work to reach the same level
and makes the second one better as it required more work than the talented one so being called talented diminishes the work of the first one and thus 'no one' likes to be called a cheat?

[twin dew]

Which goes very close to being willfully ignorant now.
From just being ignorant before.

[night girder]

Get off your high horse. You two calling me ignorant, sounds like your opinion is 100% correct. Mine is false. And I don't get it. Why can we just agree to disagree?

[edgy hazel]

Yes. Calling someone talented ignores hard work. If deliberate or not

[dire igloo]

You called me ignorant.
I just returned the favor

[night girder]

Here someone who doesn't mind being called talented. Oh no. People are different? 😮

[edgy hazel]

Skilled would be better, as the person has direct influence over it

[night girder]

I picked it up from you, I don't know such big words. But hey 🤷‍♂️

[edgy hazel]

"Doesn't mind" doesn't sound really positive tbh

[dire igloo]

You don't need to respect my opinion.
Respect the opinion of artistic people.

[night girder]

and I sending screenshots of other peoples opinion. Yes, the screenshots fit my narrative. And it doesn't fit yours.

[twin dew]

And we have multiple times stated that some don't care, significant percentage DO care.

[edgy hazel]

Never posting art in this goofy ass channel ever again

[dire igloo]

And herg and I sent memes and opinions of other people.
Your screenshots said "I don't mind", ours said "please don't"

[dire igloo]

Yes, I know I started it, I noticed that too

[night girder]

But yeah blame me. And I asked to drop discussion multiple times. Ignored too

[dire igloo]

I meant ignoring the wishes of artistic people

You meant ignoring nuance

[dire igloo]

You're trying to micdrop-leave and I'm not letting that happen

[night girder]

not mic drop. I don't care about this shit. I don't want to win. I want to not being called ignorant for having a different opinion than you.

And this whole time it feels like high horse talking over my head.

[dire igloo]

Also, why are you reacting with ❌ to Baldur?

[dire igloo]

I am calling you ignorant because there are artists out there who don't want to be called talented and you defend your usage of that word because you don't agree with their definition

[narrow folio]

videocardz.com/newz/asus-releases-agesa-1-1-0-1-for-amd-x670-b650-motherboard-series

well, not that much of a change

[twin dew]

Yes, as another TEST level UEFI, not even Beta.

[night girder]

never defended the usage of the word, I just give you my two cents of how I see it.

[dire igloo]

As long as you respect the wishes of artistic people and don't assume everyone is fine with being called talented, I don't mind what you think

Simple question:
Are you calling artists talented if they never told you whether or not they like it?

[night girder]

I don't care what you think. Just don't belittle me.

[twin dew]

Ignorance is lack of knowledge, it is natural and everyone is ignorant about some things?

[dire igloo]

I'm trying to make you understand where your interpretation of a word clashes with the real world.
I'm not trying to belittle you, I want you to recognize the nuances in this and that it's better to assume nobody is fine with it than everyone being fine with ut

[night girder]

Baldur for real. You going to pull that card?

I see being call ignorant as an insult. It's not a nice word to say.

[twin dew]

Because it was, as try to get you to finally THINK.

[dire igloo]

Not my definition tbh.
I see ignorance as acting against knowledge because you don't want to

[twin dew]

That is the Willfull Ignorance I mentioned.

[night girder]

You just calling me stupid and dumb this whole time.

While all I gave was an opinion based on my experience, how can an opinion be stupid?

It's an opinion!

[narrow folio]

I thought ignorance is dying on the hill you stand with your opinion even when presented with evidence of you being wrong about it?

[twin dew]

Again, the willful ignorance.

[night girder]

If that's what you think 🤷‍♂️

I just see at this: I have an opinion. Which I know literally never hurt anybody ever. You guys have an opinion. You all yelling at me I am an awfull being for calling artist talented. And I just see it differently totally 😒

[twin dew]

Ignorance is natural, as no-one can know everything.
Ignorance turns into willfull ignorance when the person intentionally refuses to accept knowledge to "fill" the ignorance.

[narrow folio]

as english is only my second language and I have not much experience talking about those fine nuances some words have it's often hard for me...

[night girder]

You know, I like discussions, but if I don't see any arguments that really convince me, does that mean I have to just accept arguments I don't believe in or understand?

Hell, I don't even see what is wrong with what I said to begin with 😆

[narrow folio]

I'm not trying to convince anyone, just here to understand what the fuzz is about

[night girder]

never call ANYONE talented STM. That's the gist of it. It's a big insult.

[narrow folio]

As I see it everyone is entitled to his own options, but maybe sometimes it's better to keep em for yourself?

I'm very talented at wasting time on the internet instead of doing what I should be getting done👍

[night girder]

I tried half an hour ago 🤷‍♂️

[narrow folio]

E3 is officially dead. Kinda sad, but it's been starting to die long ago

[median walrus]

how so?

[night girder]

👆

[narrow folio]

Sony, MS and co started to either not be there or even had their own thing at the same time

[night girder]

and corona 😦

[narrow folio]

covid was the last nail in the coffin

[median walrus]

I figured it was just because it became a spectacle with no content.

it became a media sensation with no substance, and people were looking for more substance than they were getting.

[edgy hazel]

[maiden coyote]

Since we were talking about space x the other day.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk's_Tesla_Roadster

[tough owl]

oh boy some drama went down here

[night girder]

Hell, I forgot it's in orbit. Though we just yeeted it into space 😄

Purple is Tesla. Yellow dot in the middle the sun. The dark blue one is earth ofc.

[edgy hazel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Detention_Center,_Brooklyn#Notable_inmates
our boy made it

[gilded helm]

Same place as R Kelly

[edgy hazel]

Found a way to confuse the shit out of my cable

[night girder]

it's plugged in, so it seems like it's trying to read. But there is nothing to read? What happens if you plug that usb A in?

[edgy hazel]

into what

I will not plug a 95W charger into a PC using a 2€ amazon usb-c adapter

[jagged snow]

Plug that end into a cheap usb charger brick

[edgy hazel]

about to nuke my house brb

it smells

yup that charger is dead

[jagged snow]

[night girder]

what did it read?

[edgy hazel]

nothing lmao

please pay your respects

we're doing science over here

[night girder]

for science!

[edgy hazel]

gods invention

[sharp oasis]

I have found uhh. A 2.5w charging brick.

It takes 4.5 hrs to charge my phone from 25%

[edgy hazel]

perfect for charging your pinky

[sharp oasis]

It's funny tho my phone can out draw the charge block

[edgy hazel]

2.5W isn't even enough to boot my pi

[sharp oasis]

It's barely enough to trickle charge a phone.

At like 15% per hour at best

VS like my regular 20w charger at basically 65% per hour

[edgy hazel]

also HUGE development!!! I was able to start my first discord bot

[sharp oasis]

Holy hell nice

[tough owl]

can I ask it to make illegal substances

[sharp oasis]

The real question is

[edgy hazel]

it can do anything bing chat can do

[sharp oasis]

Can it tell me how to make met...

[tough owl]

grok can

[edgy hazel]

do you mean mead?

[sharp oasis]

Meth

The real question

Actually

[night girder]

probably

[sharp oasis]

Can I have the inv to this bot for a sec

Bey

Bet

[edgy hazel]

also don't use meth.The high is garbage anyways.

It fucks you up way before the "normal" drugs do and destroys your body extremely fast

anyways. My bot works. I'm really happy

[dusk rivet]

lol some dude tried to scam me for 300usd

promptly blocked and reported them

[maiden coyote]

If I just plug a 4 pin cpu into a 8 pin motherboard will it run

[jagged snow]

Depends on the board but probably

[maiden coyote]

damn..

I did a lot of work for nothing then. (maybe) I should've tried it before I cut wires.

Kind of shocked that board had an 8 pin. it's not exactly a high end board. cpu is a 1600af and eventually when I get the a380 that'll be the gpu

250W psu.

[jagged snow]

It didn't work with only the four pin?

[maiden coyote]

I didn't try it

[maiden coyote]

am4 boots without a gpu?

[languid gulch]

it'll boot but good luck getting an image without an igpu in it

[maiden coyote]

I was surprised that it'll boot. I'm going to try to see if remote desktop will work without the igpu

[languid gulch]

also idk how common it'd be, but my old dell was the original AM4 platform & it only had a 4pin for the cpu

but it'd also trigger OCP once i put a 1700X in it & by some miracle it took it

[maiden coyote]

yeah. the 1600 being a 65W cpu I would think the 4 pin would've been enough for it

the machine keeps bootlooping before the gpu posts, or doesn't output any video. I think my 620 is dying. thats why I tried booting without it. pressing the power button the fans would jerk and it wouldn't power on

[languid gulch]

oof

[maiden coyote]

I hope it's the 620 lol

well without a gpu, remote desktop works

[winged valley]

aren't there weird drivers you can get that will force the cpu to output video

It just slows down pc because cores are going to video

[languid gulch]

i think so, but idk if i'd trust those unless you're doing a last-ditch thing before having to spend actual money on some kind of solution

[sharp oasis]

Wait actually

[indigo marsh]

just had my SECOND Plextor SSD go bad on me... both were my boot drive the first 1 was warrantied and now the replacement died. no more Plextor for me

is it possible to install windows to a thumb drive so i can temporarily boot off that, or do i have to go buy a new hard drive first?

[sharp oasis]

You have to clone windows to a USB for it to be a full fleged windows install iirc

@indigo marsh and I'd suggest a much better SSD

[winged valley]

or winPE but MS doesn't officially support it so you'll need to find it yourself

[winged valley]

yeah don't use plextor

[sharp oasis]

Crucial, western digital. Are who companies I'd reccomend

[winged valley]

Don't use WD ssds they're a waste of money

[sharp oasis]

They aren't bad

SN770 keeps up. As a M.2

For the price is a good gen4 dramless ssd

[winged valley]

Crucial is always a good choice, Solidigm/SK Hynix for high performance NVMes (in a mid range budget), Samsung is another safe bet but pricier than crucial

[indigo marsh]

plextor is the only thing the store had on hand when i was re-building that pc. and m.2 wasnt around when i originally bought the mobo for it

[sharp oasis]

Don't buy from that store again then.

[indigo marsh]

2.5 inch sata ssds

[winged valley]

What store did you go to, mom and pop's dinky computer hole in a back alley somewhere?

Best buy and micro center don't even sell plextor

[sharp oasis]

Can still get a good 2.5 inch sata from crucial

[winged valley]

You seem to really like crucial (I don't blame you)

[sharp oasis]

Or Kingston for that matter. Avoid the A400 tho

[indigo marsh]

it was DiT Corp

[sharp oasis]

I know it's a safe brand.

[winged valley]

Is kingston still actively making SSD's or is it just backstock and flash drives now?

[sharp oasis]

I personally use western digital.

[sharp oasis]

No clue

I have like 4 A400s laying around. I've heard they are dogshit for quality

So I'm guessing back stock

[indigo marsh]

im lucky i kept all my data on WD Hdd's and a 1tb crucial ssd, but i want my windows install on its own ssd

[sharp oasis]

Ehh.

Doesn't totally matter

That much

[indigo marsh]

plus all of my other hard disk space is full again :p

[winged valley]

Unless you're trying to minmax your build you don't need a separate windows ssd, it matters even less on NVMe

[sharp oasis]

On hdds it makes sence if your able to short stroke the drive. But ssds there is no point in having separate storage spaces unless you specifically need it

I normally raid 0 the rest of my storage together.

So 2 2tb drives just become one 4tb one

Ik ik no parity and backup. I donr wanna manage multiple drives at once for games

[winged valley]

On some older SATA SSD's the random read/write was weird and if you were running a bunch of games/programs installed on your boot drive it would actually slow down the PC so thats probably where zerg is coming from

[indigo marsh]

unfortunatly, when i had my windows install on its own ssd, it actually cut my pc's boot time in half (when it was windows 7)

[winged valley]

@sharp oasis laughs in unraid

[twin dew]

Just firmware optimized for highest marketing numbers and not actual performance.
And that went away LONG time ago.

[sharp oasis]

Hence why I mentioned short stroking. I remeber people could partition off areas of harddrives that would be faster then others to access.

[outer glen]

does satisfactory utilize all cores?

[winged valley]

I know I'm saying this guy probably gets his idea for a dedicated boot drive from that

[winged valley]

kinda but not really

[twin dew]

Wrong channel, but somewhat.
But mainly single-core limited anyways.

Lot of threads but two main threads that are the bottlenecks.

[winged valley]

It distributes a little bit of simulation across all cores but otherwise runs in 2 threads

Yeah what baldur said

Why is every game seemingly hard locked to 2 threads? Is it too much work to implement multithreading? Are the engines not made to do it?

[indigo marsh]

and upgrading from windows 7 to 10 made boot time go from 2 seconds straight to desktop to 20 seconds to login screen. guess ill try installing windows to a thumb drive for now

[winged valley]

Why not do dynamic multithreading or hell even user configurable multithreading

[sharp oasis]

Could be a number of things.

[winged valley]

Yeah it'll do that on an old win7 machine

[twin dew]

Because games are more linear type thing in the calculations.
And you just cannot split linear progression of calculations into multiple threads.

[winged valley]

The hardware from the main win7 days isn't really meant for win10

It CAN do it but it's going to be noticibly slower than win7

[sharp oasis]

Def nor meant for win 11

[twin dew]

The threads need to be independent.
If they have interdependancies, it is often less efficient to split and sync them.

[winged valley]

gotcha

[indigo marsh]

i7 8700k cpu

[winged valley]

Oh

[sharp oasis]

Xmp on?

[winged valley]

Well for starters you're using a plextor ssd

[twin dew]

Not really?

[winged valley]

Yeah check xmp

[sharp oasis]

As the 8700k was ddr4 right?

[winged valley]

yes

[twin dew]

Main difference is RAM usage between Win7 and Win10.
Win10 needs more and 4GB can run out.

[indigo marsh]

windows 10 doesnt have the option to skip the login screen and go straight to desktop according to the windows rep i was talking with at the time

[winged valley]

They were lying

It absolutely can

[indigo marsh]

64gb ddr3 on that pc

[winged valley]

What? the 8700K is DDR4

[indigo marsh]

or 32, cant remember

[winged valley]

Or does it support both

[sharp oasis]

Hold up

[twin dew]

Only DDR4 for 8th gen.

[sharp oasis]

Only ddr4

And apperenly max is 2666mhz

[twin dew]

Again the Intel spec page RAM speed is pretty meaningless.

[sharp oasis]

Yeah

I'd assume that it could do 3000+ mhz xmp

[twin dew]

Not with 4 sticks, which the 64GB probably is with on system that old.

[winged valley]

@indigo marsh Either way, enable XMP in your BIOS if it isn't already

The plextor SSD could be part of the problem or maybe not, also if you upgraded from windows 7 then chances are you're using the MBR partition table instead of GPT, and there's no way to change that without losing all of your data unless you have an extra drive lying around to do a transfer (you'll have to reinstall all your programs tho)

Though MBR VS GPT shouldn't matter much in boot speed iirc. Its also possible your bootloader is stored on the HDD for some reason, which again shouldn't matter much but it could

[twin dew]

32GB could be two sticks.

[sharp oasis]

Yeah yeah

Prolly max of like 2900 ish

[twin dew]

What is the actual thing?
UE5.2 U8 doesn't run on Win7 without hex editing.
Runs fine on same computer in Win10.

[winged valley]

WIN10 does also take slightly longer than WIN7 to boot because its doing more stuff, but it should not go from 2 seconds to 20

[twin dew]

As in what is the source of the conversation?
What is the problem?

[winged valley]

As long as its not one stick. 2 sticks vs 4 sticks has negligible impact on any dual channel cpu

[twin dew]

Why does the system need tweaking?
Other than installing Win10?

[twin dew]

Major impact on max frequency.

And if XMP works or not.

[sharp oasis]

His boot speed is 10x of what it was before. Wile using a separet boot ssd.

[winged valley]

Boot speed went from 2 sec to 20 sec when moving from 7 to 10 apparently

[sharp oasis]

Separate*

[twin dew]

And that 2 sec time is extremely anomalious.

So nothing weird going on on the Win10 side.

[winged valley]

I have not heard anything about it affecting max frequency, is this for manual overclocking or XMP B profiles?

[winged valley]

Probably an exaggeration

[sharp oasis]

It does have a massive effect on max ram speed between 2 and 4 sticks

[winged valley]

On a dual channel CPU right? Not a quad channel?

Because your ryzen and intel core aren't quad channel

[twin dew]

More load on the IMC with more chips and more DIMMs.
More reflections on the bus from multiple DIMMs.
Limiting the max frequency the IMC can drive the BUS with enough signal integrity.

[sharp oasis]

2 sticks in say a 5600 system can do 3733mhz. 4 sticks barley manage 3000mhz.

[indigo marsh]

well, my win 7 install had 0 bloatware, and completely skipped the login screen, not sure how the guys at DiT corp installed it when they were arround

[winged valley]

Oh huh guess I need to revisit ram and channels

[winged valley]

If your user account doesn't have a password its supposed to automatically log in, sometimes it doesn't and I don't remember the fix off the top of my head

Pretty sure its in group policy but I might be wrong