off-topic-tech

[dusk rivet]

i want the pro2, but they got the cosmos too

[jagged snow]

The only consideration is the 24-pin, I don't recall where exactly the routing holes are at in the 4000d

[torpid plaza]

thats the most important part to me. cant use my quest 2 for more than a few minutes because my head doesnt like it

[dusk rivet]

pro2 is supposedly super comfy

[torpid plaza]

yea but, have you seen the bigscreen beyond?

[dusk rivet]

i have the classic vive and can wear it for 1-2 hours with no discomfort

[dusk rivet]

there

[torpid plaza]

also, cosmos is around 600, pro 2 is like 850 and beyond is 1370

[dusk rivet]

i might go 200mm just to be safe

[jagged snow]

So maybe go with 200mm just to be safe

[dusk rivet]

lol same thought

[torpid plaza]

its the ligthest vr headset in existance

[dusk rivet]

oh if you want that get the xr elite

also didn't know your budget was that high

[torpid plaza]

its not lol

[dusk rivet]

oh

xr elite is 1100usd

[torpid plaza]

why would i choose it over the beyond?

beyond has 2560x2560, xr elite has 1920x1920

the xr elite has an entire computer build into it

[dusk rivet]

that thing doesn't look particularly comfy

[torpid plaza]

the beyond?

[dusk rivet]

i get it's light, but no overhead support

[torpid plaza]

they literally take a 3d scan of your face to make the face thing fit ur face perfectly

[dusk rivet]

wait xr elite has no overhead strap

[torpid plaza]

and theres a thing for overhead support too i think

[dusk rivet]

oh jeez that's fancy

[dusk rivet]

200mm for the eps too?

[jagged snow]

Yeah... you have to use an Iphone for it lol

[jagged snow]

No, those are definitely fine at 150

[dusk rivet]

Cool

[jagged snow]

The case has holes about two inches from the eps connectors on your board

[torpid plaza]

the vive xr elite weighs 600 grams, the bigscreen beyond is 127 grams

[dusk rivet]

going with 300mm for the pcie cables

should be plenty still

[torpid plaza]

and u can get this here:

[dusk rivet]

the cables

looks like a load of green there but most of the case will be black

plus imagine it glowing

[jagged snow]

If you're going for a cyberpunk theme, you could do flourescent blue cable combs

Or a neon yellow

[dusk rivet]

i like that better

flourescent yellow isn't an option

[jagged snow]

Yellow might be best... analagous colors

[dusk rivet]

closest thing is gold

[jagged snow]

Oh 😦

[dusk rivet]

my options

gonna go 1 comb on the 24pin and eps to save a little cost

actually 2 on the 24 pin

default is 3 for all cables

still gonna be 150usd in cables

[jagged snow]

Yeah... IMO if you're going to spring for custom cables there's no point in skimping on stuff like that
2 combs would probably be best for eps & 24pin IMO

[dusk rivet]

think imma do this actually

[jagged snow]

Oh nice

[dusk rivet]

looks more cyberpunk-y

[jagged snow]

I agree

[dusk rivet]

blue combs was a bit much so i switched back to green

still went for 3 combs on the pcie cables

THEY HAVE UV LED STRIPS!

omg thats perfect

hm, do i do 24inch or 12 inch tho

[jagged snow]

See above comment

IMO if you're going to spring for custom cables there's no point in skimping on stuff like that

[dusk rivet]

nah but i'm tryna see what's best in the case

[jagged snow]

In all seriousness, the 12in would probably be fine

That case isn't a full 24 deep

[dusk rivet]

gonna do a kit with a 12in strip, and a second 12 inch strip

wait no gotta do two kits

i'm thinking one for the top one for the front

or

i could do a 24 inch strip and just start at the back

so it would just continue down the front

that could look cool

[jagged snow]

That's not a bad idea

[dusk rivet]

like this

i dunno if there's space for it tho

[jagged snow]

There... should be

[dusk rivet]

I mean like i don't want to have to go left/right too much

i think there is

it'd be 190usd before tax

24in is out of stock rn so that's with the 12in price

yeah that'll be cool

saving that for later

[jagged snow]

You might also want to check out www.performance-pcs.com/

I'd do a price cmoparison there

They're probably going to be more expensive for everything though

[edgy hazel]

Get some nice textured foil and put one more strip at the bottom

Put the foil on the blue thing

But a word of caution

UV strips suck ass

And the days where you can get some nice UV tubes are over

[dusk rivet]

but like glowy cables

and uv reactive stuff fits the cyberpunk theme perfectly

[dusk rivet]

i could get some stickers and just fill that little bit

i feel like the busyness would look good

wait wdym by textured foil

[edgy hazel]

some sticker foil that has some texture like carbonfiber optic or something

[edgy hazel]

I understand. I also have UV reactive coolant for my watercooling. But UV strips usually have a lifespan of half a year

[dusk rivet]

6 month lifespan?

what happens when they go bad

do they just look like shit or do they just die

[edgy hazel]

they loose power very fast and the plastic tends to basically disintegrate and gets yellow-ish

[dusk rivet]

what would be a good alternative?

[edgy hazel]

UV tubes

and I've been hunting for those since forever

[dusk rivet]

why are they all so long

[edgy hazel]

yup

I basically gave up

UV is dead

[dusk rivet]

12.6in?

[edgy hazel]

at least for PC

[dusk rivet]

lemme check my case dimensions

[edgy hazel]

remember that they also need power. Those ain't running from your 5V RGB

[dusk rivet]

i could drill a hole in the back of the pc case

[edgy hazel]

you would have to

[dusk rivet]

if i do it in the back it should be fairly easy

and not really a concern about ruining the structural integrity or hitting a cable

you think a 320mm uv tube would fit in here?

[edgy hazel]

but then you also have to think about the plastics of all your other components

[dusk rivet]

oh yeah true

kinda forget UV light fucks plastic

maybe UV light in a pc case ain't the best idea

[edgy hazel]

back in the day when you had 200% performance improvement every gen every half a year it didn't matter

because UV meant you were an enthusiast and swap em out

[dusk rivet]

could do shimmer cables

not quite the same effect but similar

[edgy hazel]

just get some nice white cables 😄

[dusk rivet]

wait are shimmer cables rainbow only?

i could use the same cables minus the UV light

same color minus the glow

would still look cool

purple RGB light could look cool

won't make the cables glow, but would still look nice

what would UV light do to plastic

[dire igloo]

lian li strimer

[dusk rivet]

could i make that whatever color i want

[edgy hazel]

very depending on the plastic

[dusk rivet]

if i install a UV light and only turn it on for short times periodically would it be alright

[dire igloo]

they're RGB cables

[edgy hazel]

best case: nothing
worst case:

[dire igloo]

so yes, you could

[dusk rivet]

wanted to make sure they werent just stuck to rainbow mode

oh yeah they make loads of shimmer cables

[dire igloo]

can always double check

[dusk rivet]

that might be the best option

i want a themed GPU but holy that'd be a pain

if i get an nzxt kraken aio i could put the cyberpunk edgerunners symbol on it

[dire igloo]

Don't get kraken, it's meh

[dusk rivet]

but the lcd screen

[dire igloo]

Could do lt720 or (if you can't without screen) aorus waterforce

There's also this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bXcojLipME

[dusk rivet]

oh yeah lil screen in the pc case

was thinking about that

[jagged snow]

I think if there's any mod like that that I end up doing in the near future it'll be an lcd side panel

[dusk rivet]

is the kraken bad based on anything other than price?

[wanton orchid]

the 7800x intro made me smile

[wanton orchid]

btw for the youtube bullshit with ublock origin

[jagged snow]

You can just use block element to get rid of it

[wanton orchid]

I'm talking about the video locking

[jagged snow]

Yeah... that works

All you have to do is zap the div that they throw up over the entire screeen

[wanton orchid]

you can enable everything but :

• easy list - chat widgets
• easy list - notifications
• adguard - ads
• adguard URL Tracking Protection

I'm not talking about the notice

[tough owl]

Tf is this

[wanton orchid]

I'm talking about the video locking behind it

I dont see the notice already

I was just fiddling with what filter lock the videos

[jagged snow]

Evidently they just called you a tab

[wanton orchid]

the ublock origin current notice is to only enable built-in filters

[tough owl]

YouTube why do you do this to me

[wanton orchid]

but I was telling you all that currently you can actually enable EVERYTHING

[wanton orchid]

execpt this

and it works then

wait no

now it's back to locked wtf

ok jso no adguard ad filters ?

weird

[wanton orchid]

updated list

weird inconsistencies

will try to update it

with these settings, it does not work when launching a link, but it works when refreshing it

[wanton orchid]

wait mb, you can actually enable everything completly just by refreshing the youtube pages

weird

[tough owl]

@jagged snow you use AutoCAD right?

[jagged snow]

I use Fusion360 and/or Inventor

[tough owl]

oh nvm then

somehow I landed a job for my uni using AutoCAD and organizing files and what not even thought its not my major

[jagged snow]

Oh cool!

What exactly is the job description?
I'm wondering how autocad and file organization go together

[tough owl]

they keep digital and printed floor plans and whatnot of campus buildings

so like filing, scanning them, for that

and also some editing of those files too

benefit is ill know when new buildings are being remodeled or being built

[jagged snow]

Sweet

[tough owl]

I would paste the exact job description but its on the clear web

[torpid plaza]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/Vzr34M
anything youd change to squeeze out some more money? budget is around 1500 euros and with it like this id have to cannibalize my old pc/laptop for an ssd

trying for a white theme obvsly but if i can save a lot by compromising on that i wouldnt mind

[wanton orchid]

I wonder how heavy and sloppy flexible tubes can be
@sterile agate

[sterile agate]

very, especially depending on what kind of tubing you get. the tubing for my new watercool setup (pictured) is thicker, and heavier (EK-ZMT) than my current clear tubes internal in the system i showed off in the dedicated server chat

the black tubing for this, especially with 2 10+ foot runs of it, is thiiiiiiiiiiiick

[dusk rivet]

For stuff like this do you drill a hole in the case?

[sterile agate]

some cases have watercooling punchouts standard, some have room to drill, some you use a PCIE slot passthrough

I have a passthrough port that replaces a PCIE cover on my backplate for mine (when i get around to picking cases, i may or may not need it)

(don't let the fact there is only 4 fans fool you, those are each 200mm noctuas 😄 )

[dusk rivet]

external rad kinda sounds cool

[sterile agate]

cool, but expensive 😅

[dusk rivet]

yeah 172 usd for a 3x3 120mm rad

plus tubing and all the coolant needed

[sterile agate]

iirc, everything pictured here + some spare fittings + the piping run back to the PC was closer to $1,500 than $1k

[dusk rivet]

more tubing and more coolant than a in case rad

[dusk rivet]

JUST IN WATER COOLING STUFF?

[sterile agate]

just in part of the watercoolign stuff, without talking about CPU block or GPU block

[dusk rivet]

holy

[sterile agate]

lemme find my pcpartpicker list with the pricetag

[wanton orchid]

custom loop is pricey

[dusk rivet]

yeah ik

[wanton orchid]

So less sloppy

[sterile agate]

here we go, the total includes aa $230 case that i haven't touched yet, so it's $230 less than the listed total https://pcpartpicker.com/user/GwenBD94/saved/vMJZcf

[wanton orchid]

I mean can your clear ones wiggle a bit when you move the pc case for instance ?

[dusk rivet]

jesus

tempted to go hardline custom loop for my cyberpunk build i'm planning

but jesus that price tag

[sterile agate]

then I also didn't want a mcgiver power solution (either a separate PSU at the MO-RA, with jumpered 24-pin connector, or like 20 wires back and froth from MO-RA to PC), and I used to be an electrician, so I went all out and dropped another $150 on a quick-disconnect 18-pin cannon connector, and a 18-strand power cable to go from the PC to the MO-RA as well

[sterile agate]

yeah definitely

they have some give, not a whole lot

[dusk rivet]

oh quick connect for the external rad

[sterile agate]

but some

[dusk rivet]

that's smart

[sterile agate]

3 quick connects, 2 for liquid, 1 for power

[dusk rivet]

might do dual rad for the cyberpunk build, would keep it nice and chilly

front/top

[sterile agate]

thats what I have now. front/bottom. (I did an inverted right-hand build in my super-modular case currently)

[dusk rivet]

wait i can fit 2 360mm rads

[sterile agate]

PSU on top, motherboard against left wall of the case, upside down. 2 360s one front one bottom

[dusk rivet]

nice and chilly

might go neon green coolant

would fit the black with yellow/green accents i'm doing

[sterile agate]

as someoen who did the realyl cool EK Mystic fog for my first build, trust, the maintenance on fun coolants for the payoff dies quickly

as well as if you do clear tubing (to see yoru fun coolant), it'll stain easily with most coolants

less so if you go hardline than softtubing

[wanton orchid]

leak less quick connect ?

[sterile agate]

if you do hardline, do NOT do PETG for a daily driver rig. do acrylic

[wanton orchid]

I always wondered how well that kind of liquid connect performs

[dusk rivet]

could do neon green opaque/translucent tubing

[sterile agate]

it'll have a couple of drops, but yes advertizing as no leak

[dusk rivet]

same effect without the coolant being finnicky

i think translucent would be better, could still see the coolant running through it

[sterile agate]

opaque coolants look fun but also have micro particulates that clog up your fins quicker, and tend to stain more than fully translucent colors ftr

[dusk rivet]

i meant tubing not coolant

[sterile agate]

o yeah 😄

[dusk rivet]

prolly go clear coolant

[sterile agate]

def the smarter way to go

colored tubes with clear coolant is A++ plan

[wanton orchid]

I mean out leak at connect/disconnect is fine
in leak at connect/disconnect is a bit annoying
any leak once connected/disconnected is not acceptable

[dusk rivet]

glad i picked a common case

they make distribution blocks for my specific case

don't have to worry about if it fits

[sterile agate]

yep exactly this is basicalyl waht it is afaik

[dusk rivet]

you know a good brand for translucent hardline tubing?

[sterile agate]

distribution blocks are fun but can also be very finicky for a first build, but I almsot did the same so i understand

[dusk rivet]

but they look so pretty

also finicky as in getting the air out of it?

[sterile agate]

believe it or not, a lot of good options on aliexpress by a number of namebrand chinese companies in the watercoolign scene

especially if you wanan go a non-standard color, ebst bet is to find it on aliexpress

[sterile agate]

as in lining everything up right

[dusk rivet]

ah

[sterile agate]

because they're so precisely machined and designed, they have near 0 tolerance for error

[dusk rivet]

don't they make offset fittings for when stuff isn't quite in line?

(mildly unrelated)

[sterile agate]

yep, but more fittings = more points of failure is the general attitude in watercooling

the most likely to fail part of any build is o rings

[wanton orchid]

So what of these 3 leak types you experienced ?

[sterile agate]

other than cheap pumps ofc

[sterile agate]

I haven't actually run water thru it yet 😛

its supposed to be clean to connect and no leak during operation, but a couple drops on disconnect

[dusk rivet]

what brand of fittings would you trust the most

[sterile agate]

i'm not super experienced enough to answer that, i'd join the /watercooling discord and ask there

[wanton orchid]

leak out on disconnect is the most fine of all the leak possible

[dusk rivet]

whoops looks like this is a tmr issue, later than i thought it was

[sterile agate]

mhm. kind of unavoidable on liquid systems

[dusk rivet]

i'll check out that discord

[dusk rivet]

@dusk rivet

[wanton orchid]

yep but then it's completely fine that's what I meant 👍

[jagged snow]

Ek

[languid gulch]

HA. Dawid called the 12VHPWR an "arson connector" & now i'm never calling it anything else

[jagged snow]

https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/10/the-latest-high-severity-citrix-vulnerability-under-attack-isnt-easy-to-fix/

Vox media is now pay walling some articles

[twin dew]

The AMD multichip CPUs have major problem with idle power efficiency.
The IOD cannot really power down and takes comparatively lot of power.

[jagged snow]

Yeah I've heard that
But mostly referring to efficiency under load

[twin dew]

Would lose warranty, pay very expensive postage, and probably pay the taxes anyways, unless the package somehow passes the import tax office checking for incoming packages.

[gilded helm]

Don't forget to go all the way and figure out how to buy from one of the states in the USA with no sales tax.

[stray badger]

stock images go hard

[jagged snow]

Yep

[twin dew]

Yeah, not that important for most for desktop.
But very important if AMD wants to make chiplet laptop CPUs.

[jagged snow]

Yeah... also if the handheld space keeps growing like it has it'll be good there

[twin dew]

Part of the reason why everything but the top end is still monolithic for AMD.

[jagged snow]

Yeah

[maiden coyote]

if he had a friend here willing to buy it for him, and send it to him and they declare it as a gift, and lie and claim the value of it is <$200 or whatever it is then.. maybe

[twin dew]

And still be out of warranty, so not really worth it.

[maiden coyote]

still, no warrenty.. yup. it's better to just bite it sadly

[gilded helm]

I wouldn't rule that out. For a big enough price difference, the risk of having to pay for a replacement out of pocket is arguably worth it.

[twin dew]

But the price difference isn't that big, even if you got the US item completely without taxes.

[maiden coyote]

it's only a couple hundred difference on a thousand euro purchase i think

[twin dew]

Less

[gilded helm]

Right, this could only be for some sort of drastic sale, perhaps on a refurbished item that only has a 90-day warranty anyway. Though in Europe don't you require one year warranties even for used things?

[maiden coyote]

I've been too busy learning about unify stuff to really follow that convo lol.

[edgy hazel]

And you're fucked when you have shipping damage

[maiden coyote]

That too. if the price difference was 200% okay, sure I'd probably take that chance.

[edgy hazel]

200%?

They give you money to take it

[maiden coyote]

or even 150%. whatever. if it was 500 there and 1000 here then maybe

my cousin did stuff like that way back so he wouldn't have to pay taxes on airplane parts

$400 and no poe D:

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow 95c hotspots at 1440p for my 6700XT

[twin dew]

So still fine.

[sharp oasis]

Oh

i thought above 90C was danger

[twin dew]

If the difference between the hotspot and the "normal" temperature isn't too large.

Nah, the hotspot goes up to 110C usually.

[sharp oasis]

its about 20C

[twin dew]

So still somewhat normal AFAIK.

[sharp oasis]

gpu sits at 73C hotspot is usually 20c higher

This is after a repaste

before i jumped to 115c

[twin dew]

So general temp is fine, might have bad contact/paste at some specific spot or be just normal too.

[sharp oasis]

soo i may wanna add more paste next time

[twin dew]

Or can be just the tightening sequence etc.
Or be completely normal.

[edgy hazel]

Hotspot can reach 112-115 but shouldn't be at that level too long

[sharp oasis]

I normally sit in the 80-90s with 1080p and 90-96c 1440p

[jagged snow]

My card holds hotspots in the mid-eighties most kf the time

[twin dew]

Too large difference tells about cooler contact failure.
And too high for both can also be cooler contact failure.

But mainly need to look at that difference to see if there is a problem.

[sharp oasis]

I can try tighenting the cooler down again

[edgy hazel]

You're not stressing the card enough then

[jagged snow]

@sharp oasis generally what you want to watch out for is a delta of 30+ or temperatures at or near tjmax

[jagged snow]

I just run a really aggressive fan curve

[sharp oasis]

so my 20C diffrence is ok so far

[jagged snow]

That's in furmark or timespy

[sharp oasis]

Whats the Tjmax of my Gpu 110C?

[jagged snow]

Yeah that's fine

[jagged snow]

115 probably

[sharp oasis]

115C?

[twin dew]

That 115C it hit before throttling.

For the hotspot.
For the other one it is lower.

[sharp oasis]

I throttle at 80C for GPU

and trottle at 115C for hotspot i think

[twin dew]

Or you throttlet for the hotspot, and the other was at 80C at that time.

Usually the normal throttle is 90-100C

[sharp oasis]

ahh

[jagged snow]

Neither of you can spell throttle suddenly

[sharp oasis]

[twin dew]

Yup, need to eat some breakfast...

[jagged snow]

Enjoy that
I'm headed to bed 🙂

[edgy hazel]

Bed boy

[sharp oasis]

gn

[sharp oasis]

i did a X pattern Spread with thermal grizzly hydronaut

could possibly not have enough coverage i assume

[twin dew]

No idea, would need to open to see.

[sharp oasis]

Ill do that if it gets in the danger zone

[dire igloo]

You can save a lot on SSD, cooler and RAM - even when sticking to the white aesthetic.
Plus you need fans for that case.

@torpid plaza do you want/need RGB or do you not want it at all?

[torpid plaza]

dont care about rgb at all

id have all the lights turned to pure white

oh thats the wrong list

sory, give me a sec

its the one where i looked at ssd prices

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/qQXgBL

this is the correct one

[dire igloo]

NM790 for high-end btw. NM620 for basic and MP44L for mid end

[dire igloo]

Add a three pack of TL-C12CW-S, check Amazon for a cheaper listing on the cooler and maybe switch to a less expensive PSU with white extensions.

[twin dew]

Again, not available in Europe...

For the fans.

You again are thinking with US availability and prices.

[dire igloo]

Cooler Master MWE Bronze V2 for PSU. 700W or 750W

[dire igloo]

Not available from what you consider official retailers

[twin dew]

So absolute crap?
If it really is just 80+ Bronze.

[dire igloo]

You can definitely get them on Amazon for prices similar to those in US

[dire igloo]

B Tier on cultists

[twin dew]

Yes, it can be well made, but still crap design.
So it is safe, just otherwise bad.

[dire igloo]

Not like 80+ rating means anything, P750GM is 80+ Gold

[twin dew]

Yes, because reliability and part quality is one thing, the efficiency is another.
The old "Any Gold PSU" was because at that time you couldn't make 80+ Gold PSU with bad parts.

[dire igloo]

UD750GM then? Same OEM as P750GM, Luke Savenije told me he's still sceptical about it

[twin dew]

But at this time just Bronze means that the internals are just very old type bad design overall.

[dire igloo]

Suggest an alternative
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/products/power-supply/#sort=price&A=700000000000,2050000000000&e=6,5,4,2

[twin dew]

Questioning your drive for absolute cheapest "good enough", even when the price difference can be small and the other choice is inexpensive and has something extra.
And in this case as the thing will not be bought immediately, going for that kind of "exact this model" isn't really that useful yet.

That comes when it is actually time to buy the thing, this is general budgeting.

[dire igloo]

I know

I'm just trying to figure out PSU advice.
I've gone with "cheapest that works" and didn't really bother with quality differences

[twin dew]

And that the build seems to be going with white theme, and the PSU was white too, and that specific one is black.

White PSUs are pretty rare.

[edgy hazel]

No:

[torpid plaza]

i might survive using a black psu if its cheaper

oh yea i think itll be covered by the case anyway 😭

[twin dew]

But that kind of exact things are better to lock once you are ready to buy.

IMHO using time right now for that kind of per component level part selection isn't that useful right now.

[dire igloo]

As I said, white extensions.
80€ PSU + 30€ cables < 130€ PSU

[twin dew]

And for the fans, I still think that buying chinese sourced and sold grey-market fans for few euro difference per fan is counterproductive.
As in private chinese citizen bought fans in China, shipped them to German Amazon and is selling them through one man company.

[torpid plaza]

to me its just a fun thing by itself, like a game. trying to optimize a pc build

[dire igloo]

See it as an opportunity to teach me about PSUs

[twin dew]

Haven't kept up.
And PSU market in Finland is again more limited.
So when I have had to make suggestion, I have looked at the finnish prices, and then looked at the reviews for interesting seeming ones.

[dire igloo]

You're the only one I've ever heard this from.
Doesn't mean you're not right, just weird to me.

@sand saddle what's your take on this?

[twin dew]

That is what all the chinese company sold stuff on Amazon basically is.
Both EU and US.

[dire igloo]

Isn't Thermalright from Taiwan?

[twin dew]

Fly by night temporary companies where the names change all the time mostly.
Selling whatever they can source in China, either direct from factories or via some middleman.
Can be night-time production or QA rejects.

[sand saddle]

I used C12C yesterday, I like them

[twin dew]

But they have retail presence in China.
And the production is probably in China.

[sand saddle]

Are we talking about c12c availability in Finland?

Compared to what fans?

[twin dew]

German Amazon

Where the only stuff is sold by chinese companies.

And the night-time production means the factory operator running the factory with second shift during the night, without the ok of the company they should be producing the stuff for, and selling it direct.
Without any reporting to the "line" leaser.

[sand saddle]

And? The product matters. Seller matters just as long as you get the product.

[twin dew]

Problem is that the stuff can be QC rejects, near-things, those night-productions, and there isn't any warranty.

Yes, you CAN get the real thing, or not.

[sand saddle]

Sold by thermalright.eur: www.amazon.de/dp/B0BKKTBL49

[twin dew]

Which has nothing to do with Thermalright if you click on the firm.

Amazon doesn't care if Thermalrights lawyers don't contact them.

[edgy hazel]

Seems trustworthy

[twin dew]

That was the point, that when buying anything from Amazon you need to check the actual seller info, because half of them are like this.
Selling grey market stuff bough in China and shipped to Amazon.
With one man companies in China.

And if some item has both legit seller and China seller, the items are mixed.

At the Amazon warehouse.
So even if you buy from the legit source, you might get the China grey-market item or even a fake.

[sand saddle]

We'll see how it works out for us. Built a PC yesterday with thermalright fans.

[twin dew]

If the item isn't fake or QC reject, then the only issue would be lack of warranty.
But you cannot know what you get before you get it, and you cannot know if it is QC reject.

Or part of midnight run with worse components.

[sand saddle]

Still like 2 times cheaper than alternatives. Even if a fan breaks, replacing it is cheaper than buying an alternative that could break as well.

[edgy hazel]

Talking about Fans

They're here

[sand saddle]

Nice

[languid gulch]

i can see that making horrible noises if not kept perfectly clean

[edgy hazel]

Oh my looooorrrdddd

[edgy hazel]

Why

[languid gulch]

oh i thought the fan was metal too 🤣

[edgy hazel]

Nah just the chassis

[languid gulch]

just tac weld it to the case

[dire igloo]

So don't buy Thermalright at all?
Not really worth it given how much more equally good fans cost

[twin dew]

Depends on place?
Mainly I wouldn't buy from Amazon if possible not to.

US is already in place where not doing that is pretty hard.

If you can buy from legit Thermalright reseller, then great.

But getting chinese grey market imports isn't worth it IMHO.

[edgy hazel]

Also equally good fans aren't that much more expensive 🤣

If you have difficulties to decide wether to pay 2$ more or to buy from a grey market Chinese seller getting rejects/after dark items, you have other issues

[twin dew]

Can in theory be legit, but no way to know.
Thermalright might not even know the items existed ever.
Or think they were trashed for failing to pass QC for the run.
Or just have been bought legit at chinese wholesale prices.

[dusk rivet]

30 bucks a fan?

[narrow folio]

www.igorslab.de/en/alphacool-apex-stealth-metal-power-fan-in-an-exclusive-review/5/

[dire igloo]

Dang, video is private now
#off-topic-tech message

Was unlisted for some time

[pure karma]

i dont have an addiction... i swear...

[wanton orchid]

was it honest or not ?

[wanton orchid]

wdym, addiction to not restarting your computer ?

[dire igloo]

the video he made? he seemed dead serious and quite pissed off

[pure karma]

no to ussing it lol

[wanton orchid]

I'm just picking on that Igor der8auer thing mid way

restarting it often btw

[wanton orchid]

I mean I'm trying to get what the real link between Igor and der8auer

I didnt get it, and the video is down

[narrow folio]

Igor vs Roman or what is going on?

[wanton orchid]

yep

I dont know either of those, but I want to know if I cross the way of any of these people how it goes

[dire igloo]

Roman was approached for a mainboard sponsorship by Gigabyte, declined it because they were too demanding in what he'd have to do/include in the video.
Igor showed that same graphics that Roman was asked to show in a CPU review using a Gigabyte board - without ever disclosing any sponsorship involvement

[wanton orchid]

Oh

[dire igloo]

then he also went on about reflinks for hardware Igor reviewed

[wanton orchid]

ok, I would have get pissed a bit too

[dire igloo]

like: you get paid more the better you make the product look, how's that a trustworthy review?

[wanton orchid]

I agree with the concern

[narrow folio]

Well, I hadn't thought of Igor that way. He usually discloses every sponsorship

But maybe I hadn't read that article because gigabyte can go down the drain and I wouldn't care

[wanton orchid]

btw, I want to share my useless struggle to you
because I'm a bit confused with it
I some time ago bought a chairwheel kit full metal to replace a defective one for my chair
and now it started to leak the tiny beads that are poorly maintained inside it (ball bearing alike shit)
and now as I have a new chair I'm a bit confused
I bought that metal wheels for reliability, and now they are failing on me
and I have a new normal wheel kit that goes with the new chair, but it's not metal

is it worth switching kit
is it worth trying to re-lock the beads inside the ball bearing of the (then identified) loosen wheel mount

[maiden coyote]

the balls are falling out of the ball bearings?

[wanton orchid]

kind of, these are not real ball bearings

[dire igloo]

maybe there's a reason why Roman unlisted and then took down the video

[wanton orchid]

there is no ball separators which are usually mandatory to spread the load (chinese shit)

(I didnt find any better kit sadly)

[wanton orchid]

that's why I'm interested in understanding, I want to get why the video went private

[dire igloo]

idk either, ask Roman I guess

[wanton orchid]

there are two possibility :

• false transparency (self take down)
• outside pressure (legal/strategical take down)

[maiden coyote]

that's bullshit. I'm sorry. You could try to fix them, I guess it wouldn't hurt. Only thing it'll do is break again which is likely.. those are supposed to be pressed togeather I think.

if they're not all falling apart, maybe there's poor OC on that part/those slipped through

[wanton orchid]

OC ?

[maiden coyote]

QC*

[wanton orchid]

It may have been too loose from start, that's why I'm thinking of maybe fixing it

I would have to open it, remove the beads, then clutch close the gaps (I cant if beads are there and blocking compression)
then release and put the beads back in without loosing more the thing

[maiden coyote]

If it was me, I think I'd go with another kit. Without seeing it, I can't know. but I think they're pressed together with press.

Your time is probably more valuable than fixing chair casters

[wanton orchid]

I dont have press but I have big clamp and strong hands

though I may be too weak still

these are a bit thick

[wanton orchid]

but then I have the solution to use the kit included with the new chair, but I'm afraid it fails like the old one
though worth noting : the new chair is well better quality than the old one, so maybe the wheels are better quality too

and maybe with the better quality stand the wheels will not struggle as much

but chair's wheels are pretty much standards so I dont believe the new chair have That better quality wheels

the nice thing about metal wheels is that if they fail, they fail slowly

they do not snap like plastic ones

so it's both safer for me and for the reminding parts of the chair

[wanton orchid]

I'm on the : my time AND my money are very valuable, part of the social spectrum

(quite sadly)

(and if you wonder why I'm here : my mental health is very valuable too)

So sharing to get some external opinions is nice sometimes

[wanton orchid]

what gigabyte did to you ?

or is it you just don't care for any manufacturer ?

[narrow folio]

Old grudge from ~15 years ago. Probably not worth holding that 😁

[wanton orchid]

I see

new patch 🎉

[stray badger]

Made psus that explode

[jagged snow]

Wrong chat 🎉
/jk

[narrow folio]

A motherboard was not working, RMA with detailed explanation, got the same thing back without change like 'no fault found', RMA again, same thing, returned it to the dealer and got an ABIT

[wanton orchid]

ooh never used any gigabyte psu

ABIT ?

[twin dew]

Now dead MB maker.

[narrow folio]

The maker of the legendary BP6 dual Celeron board👍

still have that thing, would probably need new caps to turn on

[dusk rivet]

god is it hard to find colored acrylic tubing from reputable brands

[wanton orchid]

oh ok

when I will start to do custom loops
I think my first build will be clean tubes
and my second opaque black tubing (but with clean tank)

[jagged snow]

Performance pcs sells some

So does cooler master, lianli, and ek iirc

[charred pewter]

you need clear tubing so you can tell when the water inside turns to algea

😉

[dusk rivet]

couldn’t find any from ek

and specifically i’m looking for transparent green acrylic

found some but wasn’t easy

[twin dew]

Even the EKWB own store doesn't list colored tubing.

[jagged snow]

www.performance-pcs.com/water-cooling/water-tubing-soft-hard/rigid-hard-tubing/monsoon-hardline-tube-3-8-x-1-2-uv-green-ath-3812-1-uvg.html

[dusk rivet]

found 10x14mm which works with the nice ekwb 14mm fittings i found

now i just need something to bend it

what do i even use to bend it

[cobalt ivy]

an english wheel

[edgy hazel]

Heat gun

[cobalt ivy]

ya heat and something with a bend like a wheel or something like that or a piece of wood even

[dusk rivet]

do i just use a heat gun and eye ball it?

[edgy hazel]

Also why not just use colored coolant?

[dusk rivet]

someone told me colored coolant can have particulates that can clog fins

[cobalt ivy]

if its cheaper plastic a hir drier would work

[dusk rivet]

it’s 2mm thick acrylic

[dusk rivet]

perfect

[edgy hazel]

Who

[cobalt ivy]

nice find

[dusk rivet]

.

[edgy hazel]

Yeah that's opaque

[dusk rivet]

oh i literally just read it wrong then

i’ll get neon green coolant with clear tubes then

[edgy hazel]

This is normal coolant

[dusk rivet]

premixed cause i can’t be bothered to mix it myself

also afraid i’ll mess it up somehow

don’t they have pressure tools to check for leaks?

like where you pressurize it then wait a while to see if it loses any pressure

[edgy hazel]

You really don't need that

If you have money to spend sure. It's a nice to have

[dusk rivet]

if they’re fairly cheap it’ll give me peace of mind which i’m fine paying for

knowing i’m not about to have a leak before filling the loop with coolant would be great for me

[edgy hazel]

I can recommend this one. No bad experience so far

[twin dew]

Depends on the colorant.

[dusk rivet]

looks dark, kinda hoping to get a bright green

[edgy hazel]

The Pros of colored coolant is that the leaks are very easy to spot

[twin dew]

Same with any of the coolants/additives.

[edgy hazel]

That's because the bottle is thicc. Tubes are thin

[pure karma]

the thing is i use my computer so much for so many difrent things often even remotely that even if i turn it off its nerver off for long enough to fully shut down so unless i flick off the psu it practically nerver fully turns off

[cobalt ivy]

i wonder if you could use coolant for your car?

[dusk rivet]

ah so it’ll look lighter in the tubes?

[edgy hazel]

Yes

[dusk rivet]

sounds like a horrible idea that someone has absolutely tried

[edgy hazel]

And if it's still too dark you can always use distilled water to lighten it

[cobalt ivy]

i mean that is bright green color you want,

ah thats a great idea too. distilled water.

[twin dew]

Car coolant is just anticorrosion additive package, colorant based on the additive package type and glycol as antifreeze.

If the seals in the loop are ok for the additive package type then there is no problem there mostly.

[dusk rivet]

ek makes an acid green that looks perfect

[cobalt ivy]

good to know thank you.

[twin dew]

also anti-algae etc. in the additives.

[dusk rivet]

you think 1liter is good enough?

[twin dew]

And so many people forgot to include anticorrosion and antialgae stuff in their coolant.

[dusk rivet]

dual rad 360mm , cpu+gpu cooled, 405ml reservoir

[edgy hazel]

Buy two

[dusk rivet]

that was the plan, just double checking

[edgy hazel]

You'll neve know how much you spill

[dusk rivet]

worst case i have a bit of extra coolant that i can chug

[wanton orchid]

that's why the tank would still be clear

[edgy hazel]

Wait is you first loop ever gonna be hardtubed?

[dusk rivet]

maybe

[edgy hazel]

Ambitious

[dusk rivet]

i love the look of hardline

worst case i sink several hours into it

[wanton orchid]

either your turn off your computer or you dont turn off your computer,
and even if you Power off your computer, it does not mean it is fully restarting

[edgy hazel]

Your project size is more like two days for a first timer

[wanton orchid]

turning off your computer by shuting down windows does not reset the uptime count
because the system does not restart

[edgy hazel]

Also remember that a 360 radiator isn't 360

They are a bit bigger because of the connectors

[dusk rivet]

that’s fine

[dusk rivet]

could you do me a huge favor and see if two 360mm rads will fit in the corsair 4000d airflow

[edgy hazel]

Brother I'm on my phone rn

[cobalt ivy]

lol

i think they only have mounts for one rad in that case. you might need some extra brackets or whatnot

[dusk rivet]

it has room for 3 120mm fans in the front and top

[edgy hazel]

Radiators use standard fan mounting points

It's about them hitting each other

[cobalt ivy]

make make some mock up radiators out stryfoam or something

[edgy hazel]

Or connectors obstructing each other

[cobalt ivy]

ya, thats the prob with my coolermasters case

[edgy hazel]

I have a scratch in the paint of one of mine because of that

[dusk rivet]

hm two 360mm rads might be a problem then

[edgy hazel]

Just be sure to triplecheck the measurements

[cobalt ivy]

its hard to tell without looking at the connectors. like you could the second in, but it might not connect to the system

[dire igloo]

quick questions, how do regular Unifan AL120 compare to AL120 V2 in terms of performance?
and if there's a difference, where does it come from? blade designs seem identical to me

[dusk rivet]

yeah dual 360mm rads ain’t gonna fit

(someone else’s build)

[dire igloo]

skill issue

[cobalt ivy]

if it was little more deep looks like you could mount on on the top.

[dusk rivet]

yeah

[cobalt ivy]

i actually build an outboard one on my experiment,

[edgy hazel]

Wow that's a thin radiator

[cobalt ivy]

ya super sexy, i like it, how much did that set you back, i need a new system for my other workstation.

[dusk rivet]

i could do the lian li 011 dynamic

[jagged snow]

You could do the o11 dynamic evo xl

[dusk rivet]

so big tho

[cobalt ivy]

no one walking off with that case lol

[dusk rivet]

gonna need 2-3 people to help me lift the pc once it’s fully assembled

[edgy hazel]

Oh yeah copper and water is heavy

[cobalt ivy]

my case of similiar size is atleast 60kg

[jagged snow]

Evo non-xl?

[cobalt ivy]

probably 55 if i had to guess.

i like that case, its so clean.

[dusk rivet]

that’s what i was looking at

H9 flow so pretty tho

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/irohlikestea/saved/8XC7wP
pretty good i think

[dire igloo]

that smooth transition on the glass without the black bar where the panels meet is nice

[dusk rivet]

one thing nzxt has going for it is the aesthetics

[twin dew]

@gleaming shadow But you need somewhere around 7400MT/s speed with that 1:2 memory controller speed to catch up to just 6000MT/s 1:1.

[dire igloo]

what fans?
also overpriced MB and PSU

And I still dislike the idea of removing that gorgeous GPU cooler

[dusk rivet]

but water cooling

[gleaming shadow]

Booting into memtest atm

[dusk rivet]

fans tbd

that also doesn’t include the cablemod cables

you got a better option for psu and motherboard?

psu needs to be a brand cablemod supports

[twin dew]

Should be fine at Auto, but that 6400 XMP was "dangerous" without testing.
And that automatic UCLK= MCLK/2 nerfed the performance, hard.

[jagged snow]

Not anymore, you're doing extensions

[gleaming shadow]

Let me try that xmp again, they sold en as 6800 ram, but it's 4800

[twin dew]

JEDEC vs. XMP/EXPO.

[dire igloo]

thermaltake GF1 - but market is volatile, pick it once you're buying

[twin dew]

JEDEC is guaranteed to work, XMP isn't at your machine.

[dire igloo]

and MB: MSI Gaming Plus or Pro

[twin dew]

XMP is guaranteed to work at golden sample Intel machine.

EXPO is guaranteed to work on golden sample AMD machine.

And when did you last upgrade your BIOS?
Are you on 1.0.0.7c AGESA yet?

[gleaming shadow]

Lemme check still running memtest

[twin dew]

1.0.0.7b made running over 6000MT/s RAM much easier to get working.

[dusk rivet]

what fans would you recommend

need 10 of em

[dire igloo]

Baldur's gonna kill me for it, TL-C12C-S or TL-S12-S.
Other than that, Phanteks D30 or AL120 V2 for RGB, T30 without, Silent Wings Pro 4 if you want pitch black

[gleaming shadow]

Where can I find that? My x670E mb is version 1.24.as02

[twin dew]

If you can actually get them, then they are fine.

[twin dew]

MB manufacturer support site for the exact MB model.

That was the current UEFI firmware version probably, not MB model.

And as you didn't know that, it probably means you have pretty old UEFI/BIOS version, with as old AGESA.

New enough to limit to just 1.30V SOC though.

[gleaming shadow]

Trying to find that version number lol

[twin dew]

You just get the newest for your MB, if it is newer than what you have.

[dusk rivet]

thermalright tl c12c s looks good

rgb too

[twin dew]

Just impossible to get legit in many places.

So Asrock MB with AGESA 1.0.0.7a currently.

[gleaming shadow]

Jep that xmb give errors in memtest within seconds

Getting bios now

[twin dew]

ASRock still seems to only have 1.0.0.7b containg 1.28 as the latest stable BIOS version, the 1.0.0.7c:s are still BETA.

That 1.28 should be fine in this case, it brings the memory stability improvements.

For over 6000MT/s memory clock.

[gleaming shadow]

that one?

[twin dew]

Yes.
Don't expect it to be showing anything newer.

1.28 listed as version on the left, and then AGESA 1.0.0.7b listed at top right.

[dire igloo]

emphasis on "legit"

just like it's impossible to find a legit windows key for under 80€

[gleaming shadow]

wish me luck!

I was on 1.24btw

[twin dew]

And if memtest doesn't pass with that with XMP on, try lowering the RAM frequency first to 6200MT/s, then to 6000MT/s, and set that UCLK DIV MODE to UCLK=MEMCLK to get performance back.
Should work fine with 6200MT/s with 1:1.

[twin dew]

Seems you were on the 1.24.02 with AGESA 1.0.0.7 (no letter), not even the 1.24 with 1.0.0.7a.

[gleaming shadow]

When bios is update is finished leme get back on that

[dusk rivet]

there we are https://pcpartpicker.com/user/irohlikestea/saved/8XC7wP

i’ll get a better psu when i get around to buying it

[gleaming shadow]

Always hate bios updates...

[dusk rivet]

if i have to update my bios to make my cpu compatible can i do that without needing another cpu for that motherboard?

[twin dew]

Not with that MB.

[dire igloo]

will also have to check prices on mainboard, RAM, SSD and maybe GPU

[twin dew]

It has CPU-less flashing support. Like almost all AM5 boards.

[dire igloo]

wait which of the two?

[dusk rivet]

wdym

[dire igloo]

you said "not with that board" which means no and then "it has cpu-less flashing support" which means yes

[twin dew]

That he doesn't need another CPU.

[dusk rivet]

oh and i need to update that i’m using green coolant clear tubes

[dire igloo]

"can I do that" - "not with that MB"

[twin dew]

So yeah, I turned it around in my head, misremembered the question wording.

[dusk rivet]

all good

[twin dew]

So can be done without another CPU:

[dusk rivet]

i got the info i needed so i’m good

also might upgrade to 64gb of ram

2x32

[dire igloo]

meh

[dusk rivet]

i have a specific need

[dire igloo]

2x48 if you need capacity

[dusk rivet]

oh really

[dire igloo]

2x24 if you need more than 2x16 but fast

[twin dew]

2x48 should be about as fast as 2x24 or 2x16?
Unless really trying to push the RAM clock.

[dusk rivet]

i can get 6400mhz 2x32

[dire igloo]

can be less stable

idk if it will still run at xmp

[dusk rivet]

plenty of speed, especially compared to my current 3200mhz 2x16

[twin dew]

Doesn't mean the CPU IMC can do that at 1:1.

[dire igloo]

ideally, you'd use HEM anyway

[twin dew]

The problem Peturtjuhh is having.

AM5 with 6400MT/s XMP RAM, that isn't stable.

[dusk rivet]

what speed would be better

[gleaming shadow]

Good fun pc won't turn on anymore

[dire igloo]

6000

[twin dew]

You let it finish?
And turn off by itself or reboot?

[dire igloo]

even with new AGESA?

[gleaming shadow]

Finished

[dusk rivet]

when in doubt, percussive maintenance (joking)

[twin dew]

And then let if wait for 5 minutes after rebooting.

[dusk rivet]

ah that works

[gleaming shadow]

Then I turned xmb on and wanted to go to memtest

[twin dew]

The RAM training can take multiple minutes now with the 6400MT/s RAM.

[gleaming shadow]

Now it gos on, fans soin for the 5 secs or so, then it powers off

[twin dew]

For first time.

[gleaming shadow]

It turned off on it self

[twin dew]

Clear the CMOS then, to reset the XMP to off.

[dusk rivet]

teamgroup 2x32 6000mhz

[twin dew]

I understood that the BIOS flashing failed originally.
Not that you got into BIOS and set XMP on again.

[twin dew]

And what are the debug leds on the MB doing?

Because it might just be training the RAM when you think it shut itself down.

[gleaming shadow]

CMOS cleared im in bios again

[twin dew]

That can take multiple minutes to happen.
Up to 5 minutes.

[gleaming shadow]

It defo turned off

[dusk rivet]

is overclocking a thing with the 7800x3d?

and if it is, is it a reasonable thing to do

[dire igloo]

not really

PBO

[twin dew]

Not really, only through curve optimizer, and extra MHz cannot be added.

[dusk rivet]

pbo?

[twin dew]

And PBO doesn't really do anything, as the default isn't ever reached.

[dusk rivet]

whats pbo

[twin dew]

Raised power limits.

[dusk rivet]

ah

[twin dew]

Precision Boost Overdrive.

[dusk rivet]

my pc will stay forever chilly then

10 fans, dual 360mm rads on a custom loop, no overclocking

[twin dew]

Haven't been able to make mine take more than 86W based on HWiNFO numbers.

[dusk rivet]

H9 flow looks so pretty

will look even better once i get in all the cyberpunk themed stuff

ooh i still need to add the little monitor for inside the pc

idk if i mentioned recently that i’m going for a cyberpunk theme

[twin dew]

But you can try to enable the XMP again, then save and wait 5 minutes, no matter what the computer seems to be doing.

[gleaming shadow]

Setting fans again and setting up waterpump

[gleaming shadow]

Yeah I took it out of the cabinet so I can look inside

[twin dew]

And remember you can set the basic stuff, save them to a profile, before setting the XMP.
So you can restore the basic stuff easily if you need to clear CMOS again.

[gleaming shadow]

Profiles are saved even when CMOS clear?

[jagged snow]

6900xt delivery today 🙂

[twin dew]

Usually.

And IIRC ASRock has option to save them to disk/stick as files too.

[gleaming shadow]

Will I notice alot of difference with the xmb on?

You recon? If not I'll leave as is probly

[twin dew]

From 4800MT/s? Probably.
But the easy way would be to enable the XMP and then set the memory frequency to just 6000MT/s instead of 6400MT/s.

Not optimized, but pretty close.

[gleaming shadow]

I'll show changelog 1 moment

Turned on xmp, changed speed to 6000, and that other option memclk thing

Letting it run and boot into memtest

[twin dew]

Yeah, with 6000MT/s RAM the MEMCLK thing would have already defaulted to 1:1.
Over 6000 it defaults to 1:2.

And causes lot higher RAM access latency, causing performance loss compared to 6000MT/s until the RAM speed goes over 7200-7400MT/s.
Which is why for 6200MT/s test I suggested putting it manually to 1:1, which should work fine with 1.0.0.7b or later AGESA with those other settings the XMP forces.

[gleaming shadow]

It defo turned off again no LEDs inside

[twin dew]

Wait that 5 minutes.

[gleaming shadow]

17.28 to 17.36..

[twin dew]

See if the 4 debug leds are lit, one should be if it is trying to train.

[gleaming shadow]

None are on

[twin dew]

And short pressing the power button turns the system on momentarely, and it shuts down again?

[gleaming shadow]

That

Shuts down after about 5 seconds recon

[twin dew]

Ok, very weird then.
So reset the CMOS again and use without XMP for now.
And wait for next stable BIOS update to try again.

[gleaming shadow]

Aight

[twin dew]

I'm not going to start digging if ASRock has some bug in there that could be bypassed.

You could also try to set those same settings without enabling the XMP.
XMP just sets them automatically.

First just the voltages, then save & reboot, then the frequency, save-reboot, then the latencies.
With two missing probably, tRCD 40 and tRP 40.
If that RAM was supposed to be 32-40-40 @ 6400MT/s.

[gleaming shadow]

Il check ram specs,

Fans again, since we'll I didn't save profile....

[sand saddle]

Honestly in most PCs you want to use fancontrol software anyways to be able to control case fans off of GPU temp

At least most gaming PCs

[twin dew]

Or just use MB temperature with custom curve?

Or get extra temperature probe for the header if your MB has one and stick that sensor to somewhere nice, and base on that.

[twin dew]

I don't like that because of possible DPC latency issues.

But the third party programs are probably ok now, had some problems long ago.
Many of the MB maker ones used to be completely horrible.

[edgy hazel]

yup

[twin dew]

This picture pains me...
The CPU fan is at left and the GPU fan is on right, but the curves are the other way around...

[edgy hazel]

fixed it for you

[dusk rivet]

is more fans at lower rpm quieter than less fans at higher rpm

[twin dew]

Depends.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-threadripper-pro-7995wx-scores-100k-cinebench-r23-points-at-stock-claims-148k-record-with-oc

We were able to obtain a screenshot from this session, which confirms the achieved score and reveals that liquid nitrogen cooling was employed. It appears that the CPU was overclocked to sustain a 4.4 GHz boost clock across all 96 cores, demanding over 620 watts of power.

The current world record is set at an impressive 147,668 points achieved with a dual EPYC 9654 setup, so the Threadripper’s 148,719 score has successfully surpassed the previous record.

[tough owl]

cpus be rippin

[dusk rivet]

what would be the best fans for keeping a case nice and quiet

or hold on someone had a chart somewhere for performance based on audio level

yeah i can’t find it

[gleaming shadow]

ANy one here also knows how i default the "foliage.LODDistanceScale" to 5? i have to manualy enter it in console everytime i run game

[dusk rivet]

there’s a config file somewhere

ask in #satisfactory-experimental

[gleaming shadow]

adding it to Engine.ini didnt help;

foliage.LODDistanceScale 5

[dusk rivet]

only redirecting cause i know the folks over there know how to

[gleaming shadow]

figured it be more techy

leme drop there

[sand saddle]

The biggest you can fit

[dusk rivet]

best i can do is 120mm

[narrow folio]

NF-A12x25 would be a nice start for a silent system

[dusk rivet]

35 usd per fan

[narrow folio]

at least until now that was my recommendation. the Alphacool Apex Stealth Metal seem interesting

[dusk rivet]

i need 10 fans

that’d be 350 usd on fans alone

[twin dew]

You want 10 fans.

But at that level no matter what fan you get, you need to limit the speed.

[dusk rivet]

i mean the case would need 10 fans

2 360mm rad top+bottom mounted, 1 in the back, 3 on the side

[narrow folio]

just because the case can fit 10 fans doesn't mean you have to place that many

[dusk rivet]

would be a bit of a waste not to

i’ll stick with the fans i got

can only get in packs of 3 tho, so ig i’m gonna end up with 2 extra

would it be silly to put fans on both sides of the rads

[twin dew]

No fans in my bottom or top slots for my cases.

[dire igloo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/713057116411265096/1109370278431174726/DC5C6992-83C5-42C7-9B74-E8346BD6CD9D.jpg

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/713057116411265096/1109370215449493575/13990D1B-D730-4C2A-8D4D-C25D7D3E7736.jpg

[dusk rivet]

that’s what i was looking for

[dire igloo]

Mediocre, plenty of better fans out there

As can be seen in the chart above

[dire igloo]

Definitely not me that set up an entire server just for managing resources I use for the PCPP server

[dire igloo]

Kinda but not really

[wanton orchid]

what makes me smile is it bursts dual socket server setup with a single setup

[dire igloo]

Wtf

[narrow folio]

😂 didn't see that

[dire igloo]

Also, fuck that axis scaling

[narrow folio]

Interpolation gone wild

[dire igloo]

X axis is always the thing you vary, Y axis is the result

So X is noise, Y is performance

[edgy hazel]

AND THEY HAVE IT IN GOLD

[narrow folio]

Could be a nice finish for some builds

[edgy hazel]

A black and gold build with those is gonna be siiiickkkk

[charred pewter]

ooo

replace the fan fins with sharp alum blades and it can shower your components with blood from fingers !

[narrow folio]

razor blade fin fans when?

[maiden coyote]

I like the noctua redux. They're grey, reasonably priced, and they move air.

My pc doesn't even have a window.

[dusk rivet]

i’d prefer rgb fan

fits the cyberpunk theme better

[dire igloo]

define "reasonably"
(my metric is TL-C12C or P12)

[dusk rivet]

i’ll stick with the tl-c12c

they fit the build and aren’t too expensive

only downside is they only come in 3 packs

[gleaming shadow]

Hey Baldur, so far no crashes 😄

[charred pewter]

these apparently push a good deal of air for lower noise .... (140mm too big in your need?) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HCKWF2X/

5 for $40 is decent price... and ive been happy with Arctic

[dusk rivet]

sorta finalized cyberpunk watercooled build
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/irohlikestea/saved/8XC7wP

only like 1.2k in mostly aesthetic things

[jagged snow]

That's how it goes

50% for performance 50% for looks

[dusk rivet]

but it'll look awesome when it's done

decided to get the UV strip light, then only rarely turn it on

like for if i want a picture or to show it to someone, or if i just want to stare at it for a minute

nvm had to fix something

added the mini monitor for inside the case

pushed me just over 3k

it'll look amazing tho

i need pc building sim 2 so i can mock this up

[jagged snow]

😭 I missed the delivery on my gpu

[dusk rivet]

signature required for a gpu?

[jagged snow]

Apparently that's how the seller shipped it lol

[dusk rivet]

is your gpu a controlled substance?

[jagged snow]

No clue

The ups myChoice thing says it is

Why?

Why would you do that?

I suppose it's a good way to keep somebody from stealing it off a porch or something

[dusk rivet]

ig

[maiden coyote]

if it's expensive enough, they might do that

if I sold it to you, I'd do the same thing.

[wanton orchid]

I calculated a typical watercooling pump is 30-50 Watt

[maiden coyote]

roughly 5A at 12V

LRA (locked rotor or starting current) will probably be 10-15A depending on the driver for the brushless motor. You shouldn't really have to worry about that as much. but if you're using a 30 watt motor, I would plan for a driver that'll handle at least 125%

[narrow folio]

a water pump is usually between 5-15W, but the 4-10 fans will add to that. all depending on model (and load)

[wanton orchid]

I may have overestimated the flow rate which is great
because it means I can make it smaller
also it's not a problem because my design is very comfortable at low speeds

[dire igloo]

Stole this from #satisfactory-memes
Anyone of you know what AI tool is used to generate these "looks like something else" pics?

[sharp oasis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1112463703317680179/1165209271823245342/Arcticcord_server_-_Console_Mozilla_Firefox_2023-10-21_2_44_37_AM.png?ex=654604b2&is=65338fb2&hm=3b6e41a15b52597b64600881d88049eca36348b083769ae67bff0d38c666a93f&

2b2t drama supposedly

thats Breached Multiple server hosts

[visual tree]

Not bad

Testing max bandwidth of my ethernet cables in my home

Can't be higher because the switch/router/other network equipment are only 1 Gbit/s

[edgy hazel]

I think this is the first time I've seen windows time sync actually work

[cyan crescent]

Im not sure if i want to get a sabrent rocket 4 plus 8TB or not.

[dire igloo]

probably super expensive

[cyan crescent]

$1k but i can afford it

[dire igloo]

holy fuck

a good 4TB NVMe is like $200-$250

so you're paying double per TB

[wanton orchid]

probably not worth it

some 2TB ~200$ are already almost saturating PCIe

So technically speaking it's not worth more than $750

[cyan crescent]

I have a small form factor build so im limited on space.

[dire igloo]

pretty sure the price difference for an additional NVMe slot is smaller than that for 1x8TB instead of 2x4TB

[cyan crescent]

I have my first m.2 slot filled already

My second is empty.

[edgy hazel]

Go buy your 1k ssd lmao

[cyan crescent]

One thing i didnt think of tho when i made my MiniITX build was that i wouldn’t be able to fit the HTC wireless adapter so i cant get that

Next build will be MircoATX if i can find proper parts

[edgy hazel]

thinking of getting another 360 rad to replace my top mounted 280

[cyan crescent]

Can you afford it?

[edgy hazel]

yes?

[cyan crescent]

Then do it.

[edgy hazel]

that's the worst reason

[cyan crescent]

The pc must grow

[edgy hazel]

anyways

[cyan crescent]

Whenever i talk about affording something, i mean after like all bills and necessities are taking into account

[edgy hazel]

reasons:
I can use more 120 fans (idk if alphacool plans to do 140 stealth fans)
this mobo IO thingy is blocking access to the terminal of the 280 if I mount it with them facing backwards

[cyan crescent]

O11 dynamic?

[dire igloo]

Pour water into your shoes - it's quick, it's easy and it's free.

[cyan crescent]

Already did that. Beat you to it

[dire igloo]

then go the next step up and pee into your shoes

Same reasons apply - it's quick, it's easy and it's free

[cyan crescent]

Im dehydrated.

[dire igloo]

shouldn't have poured the water into the shoes then

[cyan crescent]

Gotta go. About to take off on my flight.

[edgy hazel]

man some people forget that this is the tech-talk channel of the satisfactory discord server

[dire igloo]

piss into your water cooling reservoir

[edgy hazel]

What

I will not be doing that

[dire igloo]

it's quick, it's easy and it's free

[cyan crescent]

Yeah. Do it

[twin dew]

Seems that tRTP 12, tRRD_L 6, tRRD_S 4, tWTR_L 16, tWTR_S 4, tRDRD_Scl 4, tRDRD_Sc 1, tRDRD_Sd 6, tWRWR_Scl 1, tWRWR_Sc 1, tWRWR_Sd 6 is best I can do.
_Dd:s don't matter as I only have one DIMM per channel.
Still need to test tWRRD and tRDWR.
Others seem to be now at minimums.

But need to do LOT of testing still to confirm.
And haven't done anywhere near full regression tests yet...

And could of course test if odd timing would work for lot of these.

Just tested even ones and 1.

So for example with tRDRD_SCL, 4 workes, 2 didn't, haven't tested 3.

Old but gold, and still completely relevant even to DDR5.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/3851/everything-you-always-wanted-to-know-about-sdram-memory-but-were-afraid-to-ask

[wanton orchid]

#off-topic-tech message #off-topic-tech message

[wanton orchid]

ty

[twin dew]

Was linked near the top of that reddit post I linked yesterday(?).

Or few days ago.

https://old.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/ahs5a2/demystifying_memory_overclocking_on_ryzen_oc/

But doesn't help in RAM OC much, just helps understanding what affects what.

[wanton orchid]

that's the same reddit post

[twin dew]

Yes

[wanton orchid]

ok

I'm just bookmarking everything for later

that's why

[twin dew]

Then there is the Buildzoids video series of ramblings about the same things.

What DDR4 timings do playlist, hours of Buildzoid rambling:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpS0n7xxSadUJE1fEuWfEMGvmMsVYGAbA

[charred pewter]

howfast does it take you to fully setup a new computer (after build) to where its all ready and done to use

[twin dew]

Normally right away.
In this case, months?
Because I'm having hobby moment.

[charred pewter]

😄 hobby moment

[twin dew]

What I'm right now doing is not sane.
But it is fun project.

[charred pewter]

well, when is fun ever sane

[twin dew]

And the computer isn't even built yet.
For longest time it was MB on table form.
Currently it is in a case, but wrong case.

Because the computer I'm writing right now is in the right case still.

[charred pewter]

"least its in a case" 😄

[twin dew]

Then to try tWRRD 1, shouldn't boot.

[cyan crescent]

I had to manually tune my ram to 3600Mhz. Like an idiot, i bought intel tuned ram instead of amd tuned ram

[twin dew]

Doesn't really matter much.
Because the XMP is what the RAM can do, not what YOUR memory controller can do.
Even if you had Intel CPU.

XMP only contains voltage, primary timings and refresh rate settings, and those don't really differ between AMD and Intel.

[cyan crescent]

Well i couldnt just click a button and its all set

[twin dew]

Didn't work with that? Or didn't find how to do that?

Basically all AMD MB:s support XMP.

Asus ones just call it DOCP.

On Asus AMD MBs

[cyan crescent]

Might have to look one more time in the bios when i get back home today

I have an ASUS ROB Strix B650E-I gaming wifi and a Ryzen 5 7600X with 2x32GB of ram.

[twin dew]

3600MHz?
I don't think that is right for AM5, and neither would be 7200MT/s probably.

[cyan crescent]

Meant to say 5600. My bad.
G.Skill Ripjaws s5 series for the ram

[twin dew]

D.O.C.P. in EZ Mode on left, above fans.
Ai Overclock Tuner in Ai Tweaker, first option, should have XMP as option, or might be named as DOCP I and DOCP II.

XMP is Intel trademark and Asus doesn't want to use it in their AMD boards, and just uses that DOCP name instead.

Both control the same option.

Just one of the few that are also on the EZ Mode screen.

[cyan crescent]

I will have to check it out then

[twin dew]

And now wondering if I would need to have had tWRRD higher when trying to tune others down...

Need to test later.

[cyan crescent]

How do you test ram stability?

[twin dew]

Memtest86 mostly at this stage.
Some y-cuncher and linpack so far.
Need to do much more comprehensive testing later with more programs.

[cyan crescent]

Whats the amount of different in doing those timings? Any meaningful increase or is it just for overclocking scores or “cuz i can” type thing?

[twin dew]

At this stage, because I can.

[cyan crescent]

For the average person, is it best to just set DOCP and forget?

[twin dew]

If you have Hynix chips around the 6000-6400MT/s, then setting the buildzoid secondaries and tertiaries can give some boost.

I'm just currently seeing which I can get even lower than that with my specific setup.

[cyan crescent]

I doubt im using hynix.

[twin dew]

Some of the secondaries and tertiaries give large boosts compared to auto.
I'm just taking that tuning to insane level.

[cyan crescent]

I could probably do it but im a novice at that stuff

[twin dew]

No matter what RAM, just that getting "ready made" sets isn't that common.

[cyan crescent]

This is what i have for ram
https://a.co/d/8OqAy8r