off-topic-tech

[charred pewter]

they stop counting at 10 million 😄

[tough owl]

whats weird

ublock doesnt even show up when searching for adblock

[jagged snow]

Yep, apb also shows 10mil +

[jagged snow]

Chrome web store has a very bad search

If you search as two words it'll come up

[tough owl]

youre telling me

[charred pewter]

meanwhile ... google employees are clicking "Report Abuse" to try and save their jobs lol

[tough owl]

I wish it was true

[jagged snow]

🗿

This coming from the global leader of search and they can't even make it work well with their internal store

[tough owl]

😱

this would be my face if i was shocked

[charred pewter]

i disable all adblockers on all my own websites, because ... i dont have a single ad on any of them 😄

[tough owl]

I stick to whatever is default

[jagged snow]

Also new page from zoom

I actually laughed

[cobalt ivy]

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

It's hard to that logo serious.

[jagged snow]

It's kinda like

[languid gulch]

oh i love this. even straight up allowing youtube ads still has the stupid blocker pop up

[cobalt ivy]

Minus the webdings

[jagged snow]

Oh so it is detecting installed extension?

That's sketch...

[languid gulch]

looks like it

[cobalt ivy]

Ya I broke down ad finally paid for premium

[maiden coyote]

I'd rather live without youtube.

[cobalt ivy]

Ya they scan to see fingerprints if you will of evidence that adblock or Greasemonkey or friends are running.

[tough owl]

I watch YouTube maybe 40 minutes a day now

[cobalt ivy]

Yt is a love hate.

[tough owl]

Idc about ads on one video

[charred pewter]

apparently malwarebytes also triggers the youtube thing

[cobalt ivy]

But they Hammer you with one lu
Iike it's sat morning in the 90s

[charred pewter]

since it tries to stop the malicious ads

[cobalt ivy]

Ya my nord VPN web protect does to

This new yt ad block detection is borderline on being malware.

[charred pewter]

yup

[languid gulch]

looks like no youtube for me for a while

[charred pewter]

its a healthy choice

[languid gulch]

it's usually on in the background

[cobalt ivy]

Don't fear check out yt-download. That still circumvents ads

[tough owl]

yt-dlp better

[languid gulch]

maybe if they see a dropoff in activity & therefore revenue losses, they might feel like changing

[jagged snow]

I doubt they will

[tough owl]

imo

[jagged snow]

It'll be the same as the netflix password sharing crackdown

[cobalt ivy]

Ya that too. Wat the do xof rthose 8s throttle your bandwidth.

[jagged snow]

And to be completely honest, I think this is a good change

[tough owl]

i dont

[jagged snow]

Or at least a necessary one

[tough owl]

like 2% of users on youtube use adblock

[jagged snow]

Youtube has never been profitable

[cobalt ivy]

Lol must own it all.

[tough owl]

its less than 10% i know that much

[jagged snow]

And if this pushes that two percent to pay for premium that will be good for the platform

[cobalt ivy]

I dunno about that.

[tough owl]

id rather pay for 4k over give up ad free experience

[cobalt ivy]

I think if your business relues on 2 percent its a bad business

[tough owl]

and then make 4k actually good quality

[jagged snow]

Yeah... I also don't mind them locking 4k/hbr behind a paywall

[jagged snow]

Youtube is a bad business model to be frank

[cobalt ivy]

I actually found the yt premium ques and loads way faster too

[tough owl]

just like every social media

[jagged snow]

Yup

[cobalt ivy]

I can't disagree.

[jagged snow]

So I really don't mind seeing them trying to make it self-sufficient

As long as it stays accessible(which it has to)

[tough owl]

monthly subs to music and movies/tv also imo makes sense

[cobalt ivy]

But I would rather yt verses Spotify. Yt gives more money to artists then the other music services which 7s why I considered it.

[tough owl]

Im in the apple eco

$33 for icloud tv and music for 6 people is dirt cheap

it doesnt make sense for me to switch to ytmusic

[cobalt ivy]

I feel guilty enough us7jgv yes movies for everything. Fu Disney and your 20 a month. I don't like Starwars that much

Ya apple music is good. I used to use that.

Apple has some great TV shows out so I Pay for that. I

[tough owl]

is that a 🏴‍☠️ site?

[cobalt ivy]

Yes movies dot to

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-tie-him-up-ltg-low-tier-god-kill-yourself-now-kys-gif-97316207949095273

[cobalt ivy]

No it's all streams of all channels and countries.

Lol yesmovis I tho8ght was common knowledge technically it's legal cuz your not downloading anything. Jury is still out. No 4k though.

It's a pain. Just like trying to get around yt ad blocker.

[tough owl]

I dont get that message on ff with ublock

[jagged snow]

Apparently after a certain number of times it goes away... I can't get it to come back even by trying lol

[tough owl]

youtube just trying to scare its users

[cobalt ivy]

I got that message until I got a warning warning saying telling me to stop stealing and got kicked off site.

Maybe different for different geo locs

[tough owl]

afaik most of us currently talking are in the US

[edgy hazel]

yeah yt still working fine for me

[charred pewter]

yt is ass, stop using it... thats the problem

[jagged snow]

That choice of video was very intentional I think

[edgy hazel]

nah just clicked it

it's good tho

[jagged snow]

What, do you stream videos as well as sell games?

[edgy hazel]

benb schmirbirbo

[charred pewter]

i like how way back, weather.com was annoyed i had an ad blocker ... then i noticed the ad blocker blocked 83 ads on just the homepage alone... and im like, 'yeah no im keeping that on'

[charred pewter]

naw... no money in streaming 😄

plus twitch isnt any better than yt ...

[edgy hazel]

Yt sucks yes but at least they don't get any ad money from me

In general I've been living a pretty ad free life

uBlock on Firefox mobile rocks

[tough owl]

I just cope with ads on mobile

[charred pewter]

i was surprised that ublock is actually stopping the "Freevee Ads" on amazon prime videos ..... honestly i didnt catch on until i was like 'you know, this says Watch free with Ads, yet i dont seem to get ads?!"

[tough owl]

I love when it says about 5 minutes remain for 5 minutes straight

[edgy hazel]

Is it gonna have the dude in the robot costume again?

Or is it a "Delivery Event" because they're gonna deliver another delay

[tough owl]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

My bet is they’ll start shipping them by the end of the year

arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/10/android-will-now-scan-sideloaded-apps-for-malware-at-install-time/ wait all this time it hasnt?

Google Play's malware system, called "Google Play Protect," has always been able to check sideloaded apps for malware, but it used faster techniques like a definition file, and this happened quietly in the background. This new technique will delay your app installation with a full-screen "scanning" interface while Google runs a deep scan of the app code.
oh interesting

[tulip wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/original-gangster-lincoln-gif-10540531

[wanton orchid]

for youtube block

I just open private window and copy the link there

[edgy hazel]

So... They don't scan it when the app gets uploaded??

[wanton orchid]

and it works :D

I completly disabled "Play Protect"

[edgy hazel]

Yeah why use play protect when you can use the superior version

[pure karma]

seems like im not gonna be ussing multiple monitors for a while

4070TI cant even run two 1080P monitors

or atleast not on display port

works fine if ones on integrated graphics HDMI and GPU HDMI but dual display port just turns them into slideshows

i know it performes best on 1440P but like it cant be this much worst on 1080P can it

[jagged snow]

That definitely sounds like something's wrong

[pure karma]

well i can clear drivers cables and monitors

driver is on the most recent one available

[jagged snow]

Are you sure your settings are configured correctly?

[pure karma]

and i just tested both on the 1660 super and they work fine

[pure karma]

i mean what kind of settings would i change

[jagged snow]

The refresh rate

[pure karma]

144HZ on one 60HZ on the other

[jagged snow]

That all looks fine...

[pure karma]

thats why im questioning this

[jagged snow]

IDK man, you just seem to have broken everything

And to be honest I'm not sure how you manage it

[pure karma]

and i can confirm under decent load it gets worst only display 2 is following expected performance

[jagged snow]

I don't see anything wrong there...

[wanton orchid]

looks like you fucked some windows / driver thing up

[jagged snow]

That's been the entire saga for the last 6 months of him trying to build a pc

And none of us really care to help anymore after he admitted to intentionally wasting our time for laughs

[wanton orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/tf1-gif-25551576

[jagged snow]

#off-topic-tech message

Spent so much time helping with fake issues

[pure karma]

as much as id argue whit it this practically says it all

[jagged snow]

I really try to advocate for people building their own pc, but this has changed my mind somewhat

[pure karma]

theres only really 3 mistakes that I made and one of them was on purpose

the first one was booting the computer whitout the aio mounted (which i knew was bad but there was no way i wasent doing a test boot)

the second one was dropping my 8T hardrive or at least one side of it on like a 2 inch drop while unpacking it (it has had no signs of issues and has no visible damage) This one was in fact usser error

and the last one is the cpu socket quite literally just falling apart but i cant really confirm or deny if this was user error or just the fact it wasent mounted to the motherboard corectly but the cover qutie literally just fell apart and wasent even screwed on after screwing it on it closed fine and the plastic poped off like normal

it could be the cause of the heating issues but the cooler is clearly making conatct whit the full cpu after checking thermal paste about 4 times from re orientating the pump so i doubt it

[wanton orchid]

you can still advocate for them to fail when they really does not want to document themselve

[wanton orchid]

looks like you missed the correct screw when trying to setup your aio mount

[pure karma]

i did multiple times the only real thing i dident record was ram install and motherboard install i also recorded most of the more major issues i ran into

[pure karma]

im not talking about the pump screws im talking about the cpu cover flappy thing literally just falling off the motherboard on its own

[wanton orchid]

I'm not talking about the "pump screws" either

[tough owl]

Side loaded not play store

[edgy hazel]

good thing I just said 5 million times that this isn't a tech-support chat

[tough owl]

its evolved into one

[jagged snow]

We hardly ever talk about tech
Like what's going down with the ftx trial rn is very interesting

[tough owl]

I think baldur is the only one that exclusively talks about tech

[wanton orchid]

everytime I talk about tech I must spit at all the shit in the industry

so I prefer when I'm either learning or helping

[jagged snow]

It's very frustrating sometimes

[jagged snow]

We already said you should warranty that

Sounds like just a dead fan bearing

And you decided not to

[pure karma]

yea i know... and side mounting it stabilizes it so i decided to just run it and hope for the best

[dusk rivet]

how did i only just now hear about 14th gen intel cpus

[tough owl]

there was no real fanfare to them

[dusk rivet]

ofc now that i’ve seen one video i’ve seen 7

[wanton orchid]

maybe because too many people noticed it's 13th in disguise

[dusk rivet]

looks like it has nearly the same single thread performance, and marginally better multi thread performance

so its like if you took a new car, put a new exhaust on it, and sold it as a brand new high performance model of car

[jagged snow]

Yup, slightly higher clocks and a e-core quantity boost for the 14700

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow Wtf. a repaste of my gpu fixed the hotspot problem

went from 115C hotspot

[jagged snow]

Nice

[sharp oasis]

to 89c

[jagged snow]

My 6700xt had a very similar problem that was solved by a repaste

I have to do it once a year or so

[sharp oasis]

threw hydronaut on it

[jagged snow]

It's caused by the coldplate pulling away from the die slightly

[sharp oasis]

oh

[dusk rivet]

i moved my secondary cpu cooler fan cause it was annoying me on placement

why must it use crappy little clips

[jagged snow]

That's one of the reasons I upgraded to the 6900xt

[dusk rivet]

surely someone has come up with a better mounting system

[sharp oasis]

ahh

but yeah NO fucken way

i was getting like danger temps

and now its been tamed

[dusk rivet]

115c ain’t comfy

[sharp oasis]

no

but 90C is

[dusk rivet]

still ain’t comfy by my standards but definitely better

[sharp oasis]

Thats hotspot

[dusk rivet]

ah hotspot

[sharp oasis]

Gpu temp is like 78c

there was a bad paste job

[dusk rivet]

how much would it be to water cool a 7800x3d and 7900xt

dual 240mm radiators

soft tubing

or whatever is cheapest in a kit idc i ain’t picky

[jagged snow]

You'd be looking at 500ish on the low end

[maiden coyote]

got a unifi dream machine pro today. looking forward to having some sort of firewall. soon(tm)

I might buy into the unify protect platform too

[twin dew]

7 errors during the night, and forgot to look which test they happened in...
So backtrack and more memtest.

[languid gulch]

so who's buying the 14900K

[twin dew]

Hopefully no-one?

[languid gulch]

i assume that this (or maybe a 14900KS) is officially the end of the platform

[rotund hamlet]

"we stuck to one socket for three generations what do you mean this isn't what you meant?"

[edgy hazel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/178yasm/youtube_antiadblock_and_ads_october_16_2023/

Yeah OK this is actually an arms race

[twin dew]

Always is

[languid gulch]

i also noticed that youtube got rid of the markers for midrolls

idk how long ago that was done because i've had an adblocker to stop shitty ads & malware

[twin dew]

Worked fine few days ago with adblocker.

The timeline marker splits I mean.

[languid gulch]

i bet this arms race bullshit is just going to be google slightly changing the UI every few hours & ublock hunting it down

[twin dew]

But now hoping my error source was tRRD_L 6. And that needs to be 8.

[dire igloo]

https://youtu.be/gIHi9yH6UB0

[twin dew]

Because for some reason the specific errors only start appearing on SECOND pass of memtest.
And I had only ran single passes during the day.

[twin dew]

So back to settings that passed 12 passes of Memtest previously...
Quick retest that they still work, and then back to confirming any changes after that individually more thoroughly...

"Quick" as in few hours of just the tests that have been giving errors afterwards.

[wanton orchid]

you dont want cheap, unless you want oxydising, flakes, and leaks, and pump noise

if there are people to buy the cheapest there are manufacturer to build the "cheapest"

[twin dew]

That was just about the tubing type.

And good quality soft tubing with suitable connectors is still the cheapest usable solution AFAIK.

And takes the least work to get usable.

[edgy hazel]

Soft tubing also allows you to move your shit from time to time

[twin dew]

Yeah, hard tubing doesn't allow for any kind of diagnostic swapping etc. without emptying everything and removing tubes.

[edgy hazel]

You need to check a screw? Have fun draining your whole system when you have hardtubing

Also with hardtubing you risk leaks when moving your PC

Soft tubing isn't as beautiful (I wish it was) but it's way way more practical

[dire igloo]

You can make soft tubing look nice too

[mental oriole]

That happen a looooong time ago.

[pure karma]

yea like 3-4 years ago if not more

[edgy hazel]

Yeah but the best soft tubing layout still looks worse than the worst hardtube layout

[sand saddle]

Definitely not

Hardtube only looks good when it's not fucked up

If you got inconsistent bends and angles, it looks shit

[wanton orchid]

can't wait for that "abstract art" hardtubing build

[tribal kraken]

My copper hard tubing thru walls for MoRa3 is still "work in progress" stage. Bought the hardware and have rough layot to do the 4m route.. but other things to do and now its winter and can keep the heat in the PC room

[edgy hazel]

Yes but soft tubing is basically all inconsistent bends and angles

[sand saddle]

These look perfectly fine imo

[sand saddle]

Don't like the wiggly cpu line. The one from rad to pump looks good.

[tribal kraken]

Mine is like that. GPU can be moved to access all m.2 slots w/o drain

It's funny that when designing hydraulics for IRL machinery, we will try to avoid hard steel piping everywhere. Even in spots that don't require flex of normal rubber steel braided line. They are just easier to replace. Rubbing will break the hard steel tube too if not taken care of and need more fittings if there is section of hard line between..

[dusk rivet]

middle part looks like the s from cyberpunk edgerunners

[dusk rivet]

feel like a couple of those tubes could’ve been shortened to look better

[twin dew]

That maintenance aspect of being able to remove the GPU to suitable distance without draining.

[dusk rivet]

ah that tracks

[edgy hazel]

Thinking of going opaque tubing too but idk how it'd look with my transparent parts and my blue liquid

[dusk rivet]

kinda curious what’s going on there

doesn’t look to be attached

[edgy hazel]

It's called airgapping and it's a security practice

[dusk rivet]

what security does it provide?

[edgy hazel]

Good security

[dusk rivet]

I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not

[edgy hazel]

Yes

[dusk rivet]

omg there’s spinny things in the reservoir

i’d spend all day watching those instead of using my pc

[dire igloo]

Security against overflowing your loop

[dusk rivet]

i guess if there’s a perpetual leak it’d be pretty hard to overfill

[edgy hazel]

Yup

[tribal kraken]

It's work in progress. Tube cut to length but missing a fitting

[edgy hazel]

Sadly mine started clicking at higher pump speeds but I just set my pump to go a bit slower (not performance or thermal cost)

[dusk rivet]

ah that makes sense

classic underpurchase of fittings

[tribal kraken]

I have usually stock fittings to build 1 extra water cooled pc

In addition to the 2 I have. So past that missing fitting phase about 10 years 😂

[dusk rivet]

so much rgb

yet surprisingly no rgb on the fans

[twin dew]

Ok, seems that tRTP 10 is too tight...
Getting error or two in Memtest test 9, Random pattern Module 20 per pass..

[dusk rivet]

shoulda got rgb fans and rgb cables

wait

where’s the radiator

i can’t find a rad

[twin dew]

External, quick connects at the bottom back.

[dusk rivet]

ah that makes sense

[dire igloo]

WIP

[dusk rivet]

you should fill an entire pc face with rads

[tribal kraken]

😂

[dusk rivet]

holy rad

looks like a car sized radiator

[tribal kraken]

its the Mora3

[dire igloo]

Someone in the PCPP server shared a build in the SFF Time N-ATX V2 with 13900KF and 4090.
It's cooled by two external 560mm rads

[dusk rivet]

that’s bigger than some entire pcs

[dusk rivet]

i didn’t even know they made 560mm rads

4x140mm fans?

[dire igloo]

Yup

Hardware Labs Nemesis 560 GTX

[dusk rivet]

insane

gonna go for a cyberpunk theme for my next pc

[tribal kraken]

My idea was to move the rad about 4m to other room in summer time, but drilling holes to walls and piping still in progress

[dusk rivet]

found a company that will do custom prints for the h510

front, top, and side prints

[dire igloo]

Do they make custom fronts with ventilation?

[dusk rivet]

wait crap this case sucks

one sec they have options

[dire igloo]

It doesn't, that's the issue.
The glass front stops the fans from sucking in any air

Btw, I absolutely love that my former flatmate - an engineering student - built a PC in that case.
After I told him about the airflow issues, he replied "yeah, noticed that too while building, should've known that that won't work"

[stray badger]

NZXT cases arent good at actually being good

Fractal Pop Air is similarly priced iirc

[dire igloo]

They'd be better if they came without fans and were significantly cheaper instead

[dusk rivet]

i can do the corsair 4000d airflow

[stray badger]

Or Phanteks 360A

[dusk rivet]

front and top skins entirely omit the airflow bits, and the side skin doesn’t need to

[dire igloo]

Imagine H9 Flow without fans for $100

[dire igloo]

Pretty meh for value imo, but it fits the NZXT box aesthetic

Montech Sky Two or Air 903.
Air 100 also nice

[dusk rivet]

shouldn’t mean it won’t impact airflow at all

[jagged snow]

This winter I'm planning to see what I can do for xoc tenps by running hardware outside in -10 degree weather

[dire igloo]

Phanteks G300A was around 45 USD at one point iirc.
Combine it with a $14 three pack of TL-C12C-S and you got yourself an awesome case

[dusk rivet]

wonder if i can get power cables that are glow in the dark

[stray badger]

I remember it bwing 75 usd, not 45

[dusk rivet]

then i could get a tiny uv light for inside the case

[stray badger]

Paint ig

[dusk rivet]

and make it glow

[jagged snow]

You can get some that are uv reactant, yeah

[dusk rivet]

sweet

[dire igloo]

1 fan version, 3 fan version is usually more expensive

[jagged snow]

Iirc cablemod might do that

[dusk rivet]

that would be cool

will cost more, but will also look super cool

skin is 60usd

3m vinyl

i have no idea what that means

material obviously, but idk if that’s good or bad

[jagged snow]

Vinyl is heat-shrink in that context

[dusk rivet]

“free shipping for products above 65usd” conveniently makes the product 60usd

[twin dew]

3m or 3M? Because 3M is big company that produces stuff like vinyl etc.

[tough owl]

3Men

[jagged snow]

Oh I read that as 3mm

[dusk rivet]

3M

[twin dew]

Yeah, so just the source of the material.

Who made it.

[dusk rivet]

very helpful listing info

wait that means i have to design a thing for it

and they have no premade cyberpunk skins

[twin dew]

Threadripper 7000 and Threadripper Pro 7000 WX CPUs launched.

8 channel memory in that last one, 4 channel in the first one.

www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2023-10-19-amd-introduces-new-amd-ryzen-threadripper-7000-ser.html

350W, 24-96 cores.
Starting from $1500 for CPU.

[dire igloo]

320MB cache

[tough owl]

I should buy one

[twin dew]

That one has MSRP of $5000

[twin dew]

Why not go for the 7995WX with 96 cores and 480MB of cache?
Price unknown.

Also 8 channels of DDR5, 148 PCIe lanes (144 usable, up to 128 PCIe 5.0).

When the X:s only have 4 channels of DDR5, 92/88 / 48 PCIe 5.0.

[dire igloo]

Why are 4 unusable?

[twin dew]

To chipset

[dire igloo]

Ah

[twin dew]

Usually.

[dire igloo]

How about Threadripper X3D?

[jagged snow]

https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/10/theres-a-new-way-to-flip-bits-in-dram-and-it-works-against-the-latest-defenses/
Here we go again

[twin dew]

Just get one of these three?
www.amd.com/en/products/processors/server/epyc/4th-generation-9004-and-8004-series.html#tabs-4380fde236-item-b187ecda7c-tab

[twin dew]

Still trying to find what they actually did.
Because if they did their testing on some self-built IMC analogue, then that isn't issue...

Yes, if you do insane things with RAM chips or DIMMs with custom control, of course you can get insane results.

[jagged snow]

They did it on an actual functional system running ddr4

[twin dew]

RowHammer was big deal because it worked in normal machines...

[jagged snow]

Supposedly this is the same

[twin dew]

Ah, yeah, needed to go into the actual thing, not the news article.

[jagged snow]

https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/10/google-hosted-malvertising-leads-to-fake-keepass-site-that-looks-genuine/
We've also had the exact same thing with obs studio and msi afterburner, it's becoming a problem

[twin dew]

Yeah, very theoretically possible in real system.
And the bad thing is that because DDR5 on-chip ECC does idiotic thing, it doesn't protect against this either.
Because it doesn't rewrite the corrected data back to the actual RAM when it notices that there was error that is corrected before sending the data back to the IMC.
But just leaves/writes back the corrupted data to the RAM cells themselves, from the read amps.

Not the corrected data.

[jagged snow]

That's very weird

[twin dew]

Ah, yeah, the ECC check is in later stage...
And because how RAM is so stupid in how it works, it cannot take the time to rewrite the actual RAM cell content anymore.

[jagged snow]

Probably decreases latency though

[twin dew]

Loads data from RAM cells to read amps, send it to output stage, which does the ECC check.
But at that point the data in the read amps has already been written back to the actual RAM cells.

The ECC check would need to be at the read amp area, not the output logic area.

[edgy hazel]

Was the first to complete our yearly IT security course and now infosec is paying for my lunch tomorrow

[twin dew]

And it doesn't do the fixes either during the refreshes.
Which would have been possible.

[edgy hazel]

Also: RGB G4M3R R00M

[wanton orchid]

what's confuse me is you have both straight and curves in the same build

[edgy hazel]

That's not mine

[wanton orchid]

probably would put too much pressure on ECC chips ? /too much power consumption ? or I'm completly missing the point and you are talking in memory single chips ECC for ddr5

[dire igloo]

Someone I know had his entire room RGB like that.
Had a server with his own voice assistant (also named Alexa as a joke).

"Alexa, Puffbeleuchtung" put on a similar room color

[edgy hazel]

Yeah I'm just controlling my light via hue app

It's currently on "Prism" which is just cycling through RGB (although it's using slightly different colours on every light which makes it a bit more atmospheric and not as jarring)

[jagged snow]

I'm planning to build a home assistant-powered camper van over the next couple years if I can get the money together

[edgy hazel]

Gl with powering that stuff

Need a fat battery

[dire igloo]

Full solar roof cover probably

[twin dew]

There isn't extra chips for the on-die ECC, just more bits in each word.

[wanton orchid]

I know, I was saying that I didnt know if you were talking about on-chip ECC or line/actual ECC

but it is still more operations to perform when refreshing

[twin dew]

But they only run the ECC check in the output side of the chip, and not in the actual memory part...

[wanton orchid]

I would also guess multiple ECC corrections could go wrong and snowball in a way that can't be computed or predicted right afterward

though it would be more reliable

[twin dew]

Just that the DDR5 on-chip ECC is cheapest possible way thing to get more usable chips out of a wafer.
Cost cutting measure, not actual data integrity thing.

To allow using and selling of chips that have bad cells, just with the on-die ECC correcting the errors.

So in that case as the errors would be "constant" there isn't any need to try to correct them at storage.
Because they would just get corrupted again in same way.

Now when I thought about it.

[jagged snow]

I have 12KWh specced out with around 1Kw of solar

With room to jump to 18KWh if I need the capacity

[vale finch]

Solar? Is that a mod?

[twin dew]

Probably IRL.

[charred pewter]

so apparently by installing malwarebytes ... i no longer have a right-click optin for scan with windows defender ... wtf kind of fucking malware is malwarebytes ?!

[twin dew]

Because Windows Defender automatically deactivates if any other antivirus is installed.

[charred pewter]

🤔 ok ... wtf kind of stupid ass shit is MS doing ... LOL

how can i scan with both then... 😦

[twin dew]

Because multiple antivirus software active on same machine usually cause major issues.

[edgy hazel]

Jup

[tough owl]

AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ 7980X processor: $4,999
AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ 7970X processor: $2,499
AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ 7960X processor: $1,499

AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 7995WX: $9,999
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 7985WX: $7,349
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 7975WX: $3,899
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 7965WX: $2,649

interesting pricing

[twin dew]

Specialist market, Intel doesn't have anything cheaper to compete with either.

So AMD is just competing with their Epycs.

[tough owl]

7960x has how many cores?

[twin dew]

Not the cores, but the memory bandwidth and the PCIe lanes.

[tough owl]

great job amd

[twin dew]

Those don't even try to be general use.
But for professionals with very specific needs.

So they are terrible value for most.

[tough owl]

hopefully this threadripper socket lasts longer than the last one

iirc it only got one consumer cpu generation released for it

also only 5200 ddr5 really?

[twin dew]

The Epyc are only to 4800MT/s
Same with Intel side.

[tough owl]

they are really having issue with ddr5 memory controllers

[twin dew]

And there aren't any RDIMMs above 4800MT/s yet out anyways.

[tough owl]

also raptor lake is still 10nm

[twin dew]

No.
Just that the DDR5 chips beside Hynix A-die cannot do over 4800MT/s @ 1.1V.

Even Hynix M-die cannot.

[tough owl]

then why do consumer sticks go up to like 6000

[twin dew]

OC, those are usually at 1.35V

[tough owl]

ah

[twin dew]

And not the 1.10V JEDEC spec.

[tough owl]

and they cant use 1.35V on workstation stuff due to reliability being an important thing

[twin dew]

Hynix A-die can do 5600MT/s @ 1.1V

[twin dew]

The Threadrippers support memory OC.
Just again that the spec is at JEDEC.

And OC RDIMMs are coming out, for workstation Xeons too.

[tough owl]

also RX 7900m was released today 180w. 72 compute units 64MB Infinity cache

[twin dew]

Remember that AM5 Raphael also only officially supports 5200MT/s DDR5.

[tough owl]

first ddr5 mem controller too no?

i mean technically the steam deck, xbox, and ps5 was their first ddr5 controller

[twin dew]

12900K was 4800MT/s max officially, 13900K and 14900K are 5600MT/s max officially.

But impossible for AMD to validate that the IMC in those new threadrippers works to higher than 5200MT/s if there weren't any RDIMMs that could do more at 1.1V when the validation was done.

[tough owl]

thats enough for today

[twin dew]

I see three idiots in one pic...

And the RDIMM only is because DDR5 UDIMMs work on 5V voltage input, DDR5 RDIMMs work on 12V voltage input.
So cannot support both at same time.

Different pinouts etc. too to force that.

So the smaller Epyc SP6 socket with minor modification.

As sTR5 socket

[dire igloo]

I mean, first guy actually has a point, just super douchy about it

[twin dew]

Not really?
Intel laptop CPUs are highly power efficient.

AMD ones have had huge problems trying to get to same level of performance for same power.

As complete system at least.

Ah, sorry, you meant the first reply.

No way to know what he had in his head when he wrote that.
If there was any actual technical reason, or just being intel fanboy.

[dire igloo]

nah, meant the one posting the initial comment

tho yeah, forgot they used mobile cpus

[sharp oasis]

I'm confused at what I'm looking at here

[twin dew]

Like I said, not really.
Because he seems to base it completely on the desktop CPUs.
Or the desktop replacement laptop ones with over 50W design powers.

[dire igloo]

that guy just straight up sounds like UBM admin

[tough owl]

this is comments on wccftech

Comments there are really brain dead

[twin dew]

AMD mostly has had the gaming sector wins because of the IGP performance, not the CPU or power as much.

Intel just didn't have anything with enough GPU power in the IGP, and Nvidia doesn't have CPU.

So either you go two-chip, or you get AMD.

But that is changing with next gen Intel mobile AFAIK.
With much larger Arc based IGP.

[tough owl]

iirc that’s what’s happening on next mobile chips

I just hope driver situation is good by then

[twin dew]

Intel is going chiplets.
Separate CPU, IGP, IO and SOC dies with active interposer.
And the thing can run on just the SOC die for simple stuff, which contains two very low power E-cores and part of the IGP.

At least the expectation is that it contains very minimalistic part of the IGP, and it only needs to wake the IGP up once in a while.

[tough owl]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-software-bitlocker-slows-performance

[twin dew]

For example it should be able to do video playback waking the IGP up only every 16 frames?

https://www.anandtech.com/show/21092/amd-unveils-ryzen-threadripper-7000-family-zen-4-for-workstations-and-hedt

[dusk rivet]

funny how we were just talking about how threadrippers were old

[twin dew]

And I did say that these were just about to be unveiled.

With todays date as target.

And that the Threadripper 5000 Pro:s had been missed.

[dusk rivet]

i think i missed that bit of info

[twin dew]

Because the 5000 Pros were OEM/SI only, and were Lenovo exclusive for a year or so.

[dusk rivet]

wait why does the threadripper look like that

[twin dew]

Like what?
Up to 12 CCD chiplets and single IOD, like Epycs.
Just with 4 or 8 memory channels, when Epycs are 6 or 12.

[dusk rivet]

this specifically

[twin dew]

Using the "same" socket as the 6-channel epycs (SP6), with different key and pinout to become that sTR5 socket

[dusk rivet]

is that just what a cpu looks like under the metal bit you see?

[twin dew]

Yes

[dusk rivet]

how did i not know that

[dusk rivet]

that makes a lot of sense

[dire igloo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7d0DIeN8Pw

[charred pewter]

amd still sucks though

😄

[dusk rivet]

-inserted exaggerated gasp- why!

but like actually why

[charred pewter]

honestly though, for a CPU its whichever is faster for gaming (fuck production like video editing or photoshopping)

so whomever is better at the time, for a decent price... wins

one thing i never do is look at my motherboard and go 'can i upgrade the cpu later'.... cause that just isnt realistic. when you upgrade your cpu, you are getting a whole new motherboard anyways

[dire igloo]

ironically, photoshop doesn't really benefit from a lot of cores

a few fast ones are all it needs

[dire igloo]

eeeeeh, not really. If you upgrade often enough, not needing to buy a mainboard for an upgrade or two is great

despite, upgrading from Ryzen 1600 to 5600 is still a great option nowadays, even with AM5 out

[charred pewter]

true, upgrade often ... though i generally buy high, then ride it for 4 years

[jagged snow]

Yeah, that worked well for me on am4

[charred pewter]

depending when i go to build a new rig... we'll see what intel/amd are doing at that time 😄

[jagged snow]

I just bought a 5800x3d to go in my same old b450 board

[charred pewter]

i went with intel 12 series on my current build (last year), because .... i was not impressed with jumping to over to amd offerings at the time given the costs and prices i found for intel board and cpu ... so ... it was borderline, and i ended up sticking with what i knew

however if amd continue down the path of making all there things 'better for gamers' (focusing on gaming) ... then im pretty sure my next build will be full amd cpu/gpu

[jagged snow]

Yup...
5800x3d is still a top-5 cpu in almost any game three years after release, with newer platforms from amd and intel on the market

[tough owl]

Amd realizing they made a mistake with making them.

[jagged snow]

A little bit... the 7800x3d is intentionally hamstrung and it still outperforms the ryzen 9 x3d chips

[charred pewter]

made a mistake ?

[tough owl]

Artificial limitations are amazing

[twin dew]

Nah, just that the 7950X3D needs manual tuning for some games.
Which isn't done for reviews.

Project Lasso or manual with Task Manager.

[tough owl]

Also most people won’t do this

[twin dew]

Yup.

[jagged snow]

And considering the 5800x3d is still quite widely avaliable it's probably their biggest competition

[twin dew]

Which makes the reviews completely fine without it.

[tough owl]

They build pc. Download game. Play game. Sleep. Play game. Sleep.

[charred pewter]

isnt that like fiddling with affinity on intels because some games are still so stupid with handling e-cores ?

[twin dew]

Yes

[jagged snow]

I think it's fair to compare products based on the out of the box performance, rather than the theoretical performance(even if it's just simple tweaks)

[twin dew]

Same thing needed with the 7950X3D, but not the 5800X3D and 7800X3D.

[jagged snow]

Yes, most common issues come from cross-ccd latency and bottlnecks

[charred pewter]

"Vanilla Performance"

[twin dew]

Yes, would just be nice to see both the vanilla, and X3D CCD locked.

But not really worth the extra work for the reviewers.

[torpid plaza]

opinion on 7800xt gpu with 7600x cpu?

[jagged snow]

🤷‍♂️

It depends on the games you're playing

[torpid plaza]

satisfactory

[jagged snow]

Satisfactory will be much heavier on cpu

[twin dew]

And budget and monitor resolution etc.

[dire igloo]

downgrade gpu, get 7800x3d, will help immensely in the lategame

[jagged snow]

Yup

[torpid plaza]

oh wow

and i thought i was overspending on the cpu

[jagged snow]

The x3d chips are the fastest avaliable for this game

And in larger saves you'll be heavily cpu bound with most modern gpus

[torpid plaza]

not sure, not going to buy a computer very soon

[twin dew]

Then asking right now is useless.
Because the prices change too fast.

[torpid plaza]

its not

[jagged snow]

Yup
Ask when you have the money

[torpid plaza]

i want to know just for the sake of knowing

[dire igloo]

then don't make plans

[torpid plaza]

im not making plans, im just asking questions

[dire igloo]

AMD 3D cache helps immensely in Satisfactory

[jagged snow]

Well the awnser to your question is: satisfactory likes cpu
Lots of cache or fast cores is going to give you the best performance

7800x3d will nearly double the performance of the 7600x in satis

[torpid plaza]

oh wow

i didnt know its that much

for most other games tho a 7600 is slight overkill, right?

relative to the 7800xt

[jagged snow]

Not really

[torpid plaza]

like uhh, eldenring

[jagged snow]

And again, depends heavily on the game

And in this case, even more so on monitor resolution

[dire igloo]

7600 + 7800xt is a great combo for 1440p

[jagged snow]

And depends what fps you're targeting

If you you want to play at 4k60 that would also be a good choice

[torpid plaza]

but 1440p144fps not?

[jagged snow]

No, it'd be fine for that too

[torpid plaza]

or 1080p60fps

[dusk rivet]

7800x3d plus 7900xt should be more than good for 1440p gaming then right?

[dire igloo]

at 4K you could try 12600K + 7900XT

[jagged snow]

That's what I'd reccomend if they have the budget for it

[dusk rivet]

perfect

[dire igloo]

coming close to overkill, so yeah

[jagged snow]

Plenty overkill lol

[tough owl]

14900k 4090 is overkill

[jagged snow]

That's a competent 4k system now, so it'll be great at 1440p for multiple years

[dire igloo]

4090 is adequate for 4K, then 14900K is overkill

[jagged snow]

Also, last gen watercooling stuff is amazingly cheap now https://www.newegg.com/p/37B-000B-00481?Item=9SIAC8WFTX8135

[twin dew]

And 14900K lost to 7800X3D in many of tested games.

[jagged snow]

14900k looses to 7800x3d in most games

[dire igloo]

kade was the one that brought up 14900K

[twin dew]

Did the GN review have one game where 14900K won?
And it was known game that has huge Intel bias?

[jagged snow]

Starfield and one other iirc

[torpid plaza]

First time buyers tempted to consider the RX 7700/7800 XT by AMD’s army of Advanced Marketing scammers (youtube, reddit, twitter, forums etc.) should be aware that AMD have a history of releasing benchmark busting, heavily marketed, sub standard products. Although Nvidia’s 4070 only offers comparable performance, it has a broader feature set (RT/DLSS 3.0) and offers far better game compatibility (drivers). PC gamers looking to join AMD’s “2%” GPU club (Steam stats: 5000/6000/7000 series combined mkt share) need to work on their critical thinking skills: Influencers (posing as reviewers) are paid handsomely to scam users into buying inferior products. Experienced gamers know all too well that high average fps are worthless when they are accompanied with stutters, random crashes, excessive noise and a limited feature set. [Sep '23 GPUPro]

PC gamers considering a 7000X3D CPU need to work on their critical thinking skills: Influencers are paid handsomely to promote overpriced products. Rational gamers have little reason to look further than the $300 13600K which offers comparable real-world gaming and better desktop performance at a fraction of the price. Workstation users (and RTX 4080+ gamers) may find value in higher core CPUs such as the 16-core $400 13700K. Despite offering better performance at lower prices, as long as Intel continues to sample and sponsor marketers that are mostly funded by AMD, they will struggle to win market share.

userbenchmark is so funny

[dire igloo]

BeamNG with tons of AI cars should also favor intel

[jagged snow]

Yeah, it's practically entertainment media at this point

[torpid plaza]

especially because it says this on the automatically generated stuff based on benchmarks:

[torpid plaza]

but u can still use it for comparing numbers, or is there a better alternative?

[dire igloo]

UBM is more frustrating than entertaining to me

[jagged snow]

I wouldn't
Their custom benchmarking software is heavily skewed away from amd

[dire igloo]

tom's hardware, hardware unboxed, etc

[jagged snow]

It's a black box, for all we know the numbers could be completely made up and not testing anything

[twin dew]

No, they customize the benchmarks etc. to disfavor AMD

[dusk rivet]

how much would a decent oled 1440p monitor and an oled 4k monitor be

individual prices

[dire igloo]

around 1k for the first, idk if there's any for the 2nd

[dusk rivet]

1k?

[jagged snow]

There isn't really a "decent" catergory for oled atm, they're all top end right now

[dusk rivet]

no oled for me

[dire igloo]

could check out mini led for non-competitive gaming, INNOCN 32M2V was 800 recently

[jagged snow]

There are less than a dozen oled monitors on the market that I know of

[torpid plaza]

then the 7800xt has to be amazing if it performs like this

[twin dew]

Check Gamer's Nexus, Hardware Unboxed etc. videos for the latest part, and the charts usually contain the others to compare.

[jagged snow]

That actually seems a little off

I'd say that's overly generous

[dire igloo]

these 59% are made up numbers

[jagged snow]

Oh wait, yeah that's wrong

I'd expect that 7% margin to be flipped

Cpus is where it gets really funny though

[dire igloo]

there ya go, proper review data

[jagged snow]

Like no the 13600k is not faster than the fastest gaming cpu avaliable

[dire igloo]

check out 13100F vs 9900K

[twin dew]

I was just trying to take screenshot of the same slide.

[dire igloo]

I have it readily available in a server I set up for storing info on PCPP

[dusk rivet]

1k for a ultra wide 1440p oled samsung 34” monitor

Limited-time deal: SAMSUNG 34" Odyssey G85SB Series QD-OLED Ultra WQHD Curved Gaming Monitor, 175Hz, 0.03ms, DisplayHDR True Black 400, AMD FreeSync Premium Pro, Advanced Game Streaming, LS34BG850SNXZA, 2023 https://a.co/d/9BP3z9y

[dire igloo]

check out Alienware one

[jagged snow]

I have had a lot of people spend their money in bad blaces because of userbenchmark results

[dusk rivet]

i’d rather die than purchase anything alienware

[dire igloo]

it's got 3y burn-in warranty and the same panel as the samsung one

[dusk rivet]

the only brand i hate whether or not it’s rational

[dire igloo]

it's still one of the top results on any search engine

[jagged snow]

Yup
I'm very surprised amd hasn't gone after them for defamation/libel

These written reviews definitely fall into that catergory

PC gamers considering a 7000X3D CPU need to work on their critical thinking skills

[dire igloo]

it's basically been copy paste for years now

[dusk rivet]

i need monitor companies to say in the listing title whether or not a monitor is vesa

[dire igloo]

mount or HDR?

[jagged snow]

Games that few people play e.g. (Factorio

[dusk rivet]

mount

[dire igloo]

idk then

[dusk rivet]

the monitor doesn’t mention mount style so i’m gonna guess it’s not vesa

which is kinda sad, i’d much prefer a wall mount

[dire igloo]

many monitors use non-standard mounting for their stand but have VESA screwholes

[charred pewter]

SSD, or HDD in a server strictly for data storage .... i mean ... what is any benefit of an ssd over an hdd in that situation

[jagged snow]

This playbook has easily outsold Intel in recent years
The combined market share for all of AMD’s RX 5000 and 6000 GPUs amongst PC gamers (Steam stats) is just 2.12%

[jagged snow]

Speed

[dire igloo]

if it's NAS, the bottleneck is network anyway

[dusk rivet]

as long as i can get it on a vesa mount idc what they use for the included stand

if i can rip off their stand and throw it on a vesa wall mount i’m good

[charred pewter]

but like if the server bandwidth is soft capped at like 1gbs ...

[jagged snow]

Also just wrong information

Consumers can look forward to Meteor Lake (14th gen)

[dusk rivet]

arent ssd’s more reliable than hdd’s

[charred pewter]

yeah im wondering

would an ssd last longer, less chance of total failure

[dire igloo]

eeeeh. SSDs wear out, HDDs don't

[jagged snow]

Not in a nas scenario

[twin dew]

Depends somewhat.
HDD:s can take more writes.
But SSD:s don't really "age out" from just the power on time.

[dusk rivet]

ah then ignore me

[charred pewter]

i had two RED drives fail on me in 3 years ... while my original ssds are still going strong

[dire igloo]

HDDs can experience mechanical failure tho (from bumps or similar)

[jagged snow]

Which can happen to a hard disk, but only from 10+ years with good quality drives

[dusk rivet]

fireworker and fight, y’all’s pfps are too similar, i keep mixing yall up

[jagged snow]

Lol

[dusk rivet]

and yall both have usernames that start with f

[charred pewter]

(although i believe my 'failed red drives' was more of WD doing shenanigans)

also Firewalker and Flightplan visually start out the same so i tend to mix em up too 😄

i think i got those names wrong

ANYHOO .... IT deperatment is asking if we want to swap in new drives as SSDs or HDDs and im like 'uhhhhhhhhhhh....'

[dusk rivet]

they usually have the same stance and are both helpful and reliable so it’s not too much of an issue

[dire igloo]

mine moves

[charred pewter]

"Isnt it YOUR job to figure out which is best?"

[jagged snow]

Is it a write-heavy workload?

That's really the key question

[charred pewter]

naw, very read heavy...

[dusk rivet]

not much help on mobile

[dire igloo]

only a little bit

[charred pewter]

files go in once, then go out a million times

[jagged snow]

Then ssds are likely fine
Most consumer drives are rated for 1000x capacity in writes

Enterprise drives even more so

[twin dew]

So perfect for the Archive/low write type SSDs.

[charred pewter]

right, i forget about those kinds of ssds

[twin dew]

Nah, you got usually three or four tiers of enterprice SSD:s.
The lowest is at same or lower writes as consumer SSDs.

[dusk rivet]

starting to see games require ssd’s, hopefully prebuilt companies stop putting tiny ssd’s in their pcs

or maybe switch to just ssd’s

[charred pewter]

personally, im 100% ssd now

on all my pc and macs

[dusk rivet]

pc build will be just m.2 ssd’s

[jagged snow]

Oh interesting
Is that just because of high density qlc flash or just lower quality for budget reasons?

[charred pewter]

oh wait, i lied... i keep forgetting i have that shitty NAS with those two reds in it

[dusk rivet]

i’ll start with 1 2tb and might add a second one

[twin dew]

One or the other, or both.

Keeps the cost lower per gigabyte.

[charred pewter]

2tb is a good minimum for a simple game drive

[jagged snow]

For somebody like me that only ever plays a few games it's more than enough for games & work

[dusk rivet]

i’ve nearly filled my 512gb ssd and 1tb hdd in my computer rn

might go for 2 2tb’s

[charred pewter]

yeah, it keeps me from installing my ENTIRE backlog ... i force myself to just play and FINISH a couple games at a time 😄

[dusk rivet]

i also might steal the 512gb from my current pc just for the os

[twin dew]

Usually there are "read-optimized" (low writes per day), "mixed usage" (medium writes per day) and cache (high writes per day) enterprise SSDs.

[jagged snow]

This is what my current drive usage looks like

[dusk rivet]

built in google drive?

didn’t know that was an option

[tough owl]

why do people name their c drives?

[dusk rivet]

why not

[jagged snow]

For the laughs

[jagged snow]

Yup, it's pretty handy

[dusk rivet]

i haven’t personally named mine, but i see the appeal

[charred pewter]

hm

[jagged snow]

Writes to disk as cache when you transfer something there and then uploads to cloud and deletes local copy

[tough owl]

idk naming the root drive is weird to me

[jagged snow]

Reads directly from cloud

[twin dew]

Read ones are usually about 0.3 DWPD, mixed are 0.5-0.6 DWPD, cache ones are 3+ DWPD.

[tough owl]

its just /home/Documents/

its so nice

[jagged snow]

Everything is still done by drive letter...

[charred pewter]

i can install 4 more cyberpunks

[jagged snow]

So it's C: no matter what

[dusk rivet]

is the os drive always drive c

[jagged snow]

Doesn't technically need to be but it's done for compatibility

[tough owl]

not on linux

[jagged snow]

But I'm not on linux

[tough owl]

I am

[charred pewter]

linux 🤦

[dusk rivet]

also what happened to drive A and B

[charred pewter]

cdba1 cdbb2 cbdbbabdb31

[dusk rivet]

why’d we skip to c

[twin dew]

And fourth is "Boot drives", usually seem to be pretty low writes too, but with different focus somewhere else.

[charred pewter]

a is floppy, and b was ... uh

[jagged snow]

They were typically used for floppies

[dusk rivet]

so if i install a floppy drive i’ll unlock the magic of drive A and B

[tough owl]

or just name the drive A when you insert another disk

[charred pewter]

i look at it as: C = Core Drive, D = Data Drive, E = Everything Else

[jagged snow]

I like that

[dusk rivet]

where’s the fun in that

[tough owl]

C for cuck drive
D for data

is how I assign drives on windows

[dusk rivet]

F: forgotten thumb drive

[charred pewter]

lol!

[jagged snow]

@dusk rivet the coolest part about that mounted google drive folder is that it retains full filesystem compatibility so I can structure everything exactly like I would normally

[tough owl]

I absolutely destroy my main SSD with writes

[dusk rivet]

G: God why do you need this many drives

H: HOLY DUDE STOP ADDING DRIVES

[dusk rivet]

I: I give up trying to stop you from adding drives

[tough owl]

on linux its /run/media/kade/data/

[jagged snow]

J: Just stop

[tough owl]

S: STOP or else

[dusk rivet]

K: Kill me now

if you’ve gotten to drive S you need help

S: Seek professional help

[jagged snow]

S: Seriously, get some help

[wanton orchid]

looks like epyc on am5

[dire igloo]

My HDD is S: for "stuff" and my big SSD is G: for "games"

[jagged snow]

T: Terrible life choises

[dusk rivet]

W: why

[dire igloo]

Y: you seriously need help

[dusk rivet]

I love the direction this has gone

[jagged snow]

X: Xtremely bad data management

AA: How did we even get here

[dusk rivet]

AA: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

wonder what the record for most drives in one computer is

i think it’s funny we just skipped z

[jagged snow]

Depends how you define a single computer

Z: Zany

[dusk rivet]

single chassis, single OS

[jagged snow]

That's all I've got

[jagged snow]

Is a single chassis allowed to include a single rack?

[dusk rivet]

i’d accept 1 rack as 1 chassis

[jagged snow]

In that case an awful lot

I had a full tower/eatx mobo combo that could support 16 full-sized hdds

[dusk rivet]

there’s 26tb drives

how much capacity do you have?
yes

[wanton orchid]

but in same time amd is getting better at efficiency and is basically putting a discret gpu class architecture in the package, so I wait to see

[jagged snow]

Yeah, amd is getting very effecient
7950x in eco mode is incredibly efficient

[wanton orchid]

ok sorry I forgot there are also threadripper specific sockets

[dusk rivet]

threadrippers are special

[charred pewter]

our google drive has 120 tb of space to use ...

the mac app for google drive is a complete 100% disaster

is the pc one finally good? i uninstalled it awhile back because it was hogwash

[jagged snow]

I use it... I was just talking about it up above

[charred pewter]

every time i would right-click, the pc would freeze for 4 seconds

[jagged snow]

It's very simple and to the point, does exactly what it's supposed to without annoying guis

Very performance friendly and it pretty much just works

[charred pewter]

thats what it was before ... but something it was doing was cramming the contextual menu behavior and there was lots of complaints, and no outcome, so i bailed on it

[jagged snow]

How long ago was this?

[charred pewter]

just use the web browser now 😦 uh... 2 years ?

[jagged snow]

Huh
I've been using it for almost four years now and haven't had a single issue like that

[charred pewter]

1-2 years

my brother and i switched to sharing mod files through google drive... from dropbox ... but then that began so we uninstalled google drive and just use the web browser to share files through it ...

maybe will try it again

dropbox used to be great, until they went and jambed head firmly up their ass and made this ridiculous gui/widget/resource hog bullshit

[torpid plaza]

on a scale of 1 to 10 how bad is it when i choose my motherboard based on color? 😭

[charred pewter]

unfortunately there is a 'bug' in google drive for macOS, where if you try to store apps on it, it 100% destroys the app, even if you try to drag the app back to a mac

[dusk rivet]

i absolutely filter motherboards so i only see the color i want

[charred pewter]

so we have to share apps now through .dmgs on google drive, which adds time and needless bs

[charred pewter]

well ... not so bad, because theres some boards i just wont buy because of their color

like... white boards... uggg

or green ... dont like green

im racist with my motherboards... i only accept black

[dusk rivet]

fr

[charred pewter]

no rainbow colored bullshit inside MY pc case, thankyouverymuch

"pink ram are hardware too" 😭

i should stop

[dusk rivet]

ok looks like buying custom cables is more annoying than i thought

i have to pick out every individual cable i want

[jagged snow]

cablemod.com/products/

[dusk rivet]

yeah i’m on cable mod

[jagged snow]

Well then yeah, that's kind of the point of cablemod, fully custom

[torpid plaza]

im looking for only white stuff 😈

[dusk rivet]

wait this is gonna get expensive fast

[jagged snow]

Anything in the genre of custom watercooling or cabling or cases are very expensive

[dusk rivet]

damn

[torpid plaza]

how picky should u be when choosing aio coolers?

is the performance similar between them all?

[jagged snow]

I'd reccomend being so picky that you avoid an aio

[torpid plaza]

so air cooling

[jagged snow]

They're notoriously unreliable and for most chips offer a fvery minimal benefit over air

[jagged snow]

That would be my reccomendation, yes

[dusk rivet]

but they look pretty

[jagged snow]

Most of them don't IMO

You're better off with a nicer air cooler or custom loop

[dusk rivet]

imo the one i picked does

[jagged snow]

Which was that?

[jagged snow]

Nice

What chip are you putting that on?

[dusk rivet]

7800x3d

[jagged snow]

Sick

[torpid plaza]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qVCjHG

[dusk rivet]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/irohlikestea/saved/tn7xf7

it was either you or fireworker that picked out the parts lol

as i said i confuse yall a lot

[jagged snow]

That looks like a great system!

[dusk rivet]

well whoever did it gave me options for each bit

[jagged snow]

Reasonable prices, good specs

[jagged snow]

It was fireworker

[torpid plaza]

thanks, i think ill try saving towards it

[dusk rivet]

i switched the case and psu so i can do more customizing to make it look cyberpunk

[jagged snow]

Iroh, your list is private

[torpid plaza]

i was confused why it was 1300 on the link i sent and 1500 for me, but its 1500 euros in germany and 1300$ in usa 😭

[dusk rivet]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sm7z6D

[dusk rivet]

aren’t euros worth more than dollars?

[jagged snow]

That's sick too

[torpid plaza]

very slightly more, yes :(

[jagged snow]

Yeah but regional pricing can be very different

[torpid plaza]

but things are more expensive in germany

[dusk rivet]

rip

is there some way to pay US prices and have it shipped to your german address?

[torpid plaza]

thatd prob be more expensive

[dusk rivet]

wait that was the wrong case, whoops

ah i’ll fix it later

i’m using the corsair 4000d airflow

found a company that will make custom prints for it

[torpid plaza]

im not sure about the case yet

ah sad

i think ill go with the deepcool ch370

i picked a mATX board cause it was the chepest and prettiest for what i needed so i thought why not an mATX case too

[dusk rivet]

trying to go for a cyberpunk theme

[dusk rivet]

could someone do me a huge favor and list every power cable i’d need?

tryna get custom cables and cablemod makes me pick each one individually

[jagged snow]

In your case, eps, atx 24pin, pcie power for gpu

[wanton orchid]

imo the usual pit fall for custom loop is big pump
I wish there was good high pressure compact pumps

I actually plan to design one
I'm pretty sure there is a market for that

[jagged snow]

Your board supports 2x8pin eps and your gpu supports 3x8pin pcie

[wanton orchid]

the biggest cost in it would be accurate embedded power control

[dusk rivet]

might actually do rgb fans so i can light it up more

[jagged snow]

You're probably not wrong, that seems like the biggest complaint with most custom loop builders

[wanton orchid]

because compact means lot of electrical tension to run high enough flow
so pcb needs to be smooth and power full enough to start that compact integrated electrical motor
and make it go brrr

but there is always that sata power cable option so I'm pretty sure it's achievable

[maiden coyote]

Use sata power.

[jagged snow]

Or molex

[maiden coyote]

Otherwise you're limited to 12w with headers

Motor control based on pwm shouldn't be hard. You could also use an arduino or whatever and base pump and can speed on fluid temperature.

[wanton orchid]

the other cost would come from design very low friction compact moving part (mainly "blades")
because that probably mean using things like teflon covered gears

otherwise it would not start or be noisy as fuck

[maiden coyote]

That or find a generic small pump that can be directly driven by a brushless motor

[wanton orchid]

arduino is a no

1. too low power
2. too high computing power
   better use a simple modeling powering to start
   then start to look into custom pcb with power controllers and very simple usb controllers maybe

[maiden coyote]

You shouldn't need a gear reduction. Also gears tend to be loud.

[jagged snow]

With custom pcb you could do direct from pcb pump drive

[wanton orchid]

nope that does not meet my requirements that's probably why it is not there already

[jagged snow]

I've seen similar designs in low power devices but I doubt you'd be able to get a high performance pump for custom loop with a design like that

[maiden coyote]

What do you mean too low power?

You need a brushless motor driver regardless..

[wanton orchid]

electrical motors need burst power to start arduino do not reliably do that

[maiden coyote]

That's what the motor driver is for.. you can't just hook a brushless motor to +/- you need AC power for a brushless dc motor

Our at minimum an Hbridge inverter

[wanton orchid]

my best starter pack testing will be classical fan motors stacked

it's what the closest to what I need ultimately and it's cheap

I mean computer fans motors

[maiden coyote]

Fan motors don't really have the torque to drive a pump.

[wanton orchid]

that's why I'm talking about stacking them
that's for testing

In the end what I want will be like a beefy fan motor completely integrated with the pump water parts

[maiden coyote]

If you stack them maybe. I realize one of your requirements was compact, and a seperate motor/pump design might not be as ideal as an impeller hub. But drone motors would probably have enough torque to handle it

[jagged snow]

Drone motors are not quiet

They would be a good candidate for direct drive though

[wanton orchid]

I don't want to give up too much details here
but the idea is to have the brushless part being literally the pump part logic block
it's the most compact possible naturally and it obviously self cool

[wanton orchid]

and they are far too high speed

[maiden coyote]

Something like this takes pwm input and will run a brushless motor

Obviously, for a product. You'll probably have to make your own pump and pcb. I'm just ball parking ideas for testing xd

Most manufacturers use some kind of hub impeller with the motor stator in the middle. That way they can seal the entire pump assembly.

[jagged snow]

@wanton orchid I sent you a friend request

[maiden coyote]

I tried to, they're not accepting them lol

[jagged snow]

yeah... I want to share in dms

[torpid plaza]

why is the 7900xtx so expensive in germany??

[jagged snow]

That price is tax included for de isn't it?

[torpid plaza]

1100 to 1200 euro

[torpid plaza]

yea

[jagged snow]

Us prices are without tax, and your tax rates are significantly higher

[torpid plaza]

ohh fr?

[jagged snow]

Yup

[torpid plaza]

even on pcpartpicker?

[jagged snow]

Yep

Our taxes are added at checkout

[torpid plaza]

so id only pay a bit more than 100$ in taxes? thats a lot less than expected

[jagged snow]

So when you buy stuff in the us and you have a budget you have to be concious that you'll end up paying an extra percentage(where sales tax applies)

[charred pewter]

i pay income tax to city, to state, to federal, and then i get taxed when i try to spend the money i actually got to keep ... 🤦

[jagged snow]

Yeah... our tax system is unnecessarily complicated but at least we pay less than most other places at the end of the day

[charred pewter]

true

[torpid plaza]

tax cant really be the explanation

[jagged snow]

It's at least part of it
There's also a pretty heft difference in regional pricing

[torpid plaza]

thats also not it

[jagged snow]

Ohh, that listed price is msrp on userbenchmark lol

Not a reflection of actual prices at all

[torpid plaza]

what about pcpp?

[charred pewter]

isnt userbenchmark anti-amd ?

[jagged snow]

That should be the lowest retail price

[jagged snow]

Very much

[torpid plaza]

then they wouldnt show a price thats 300 euro lower

so whats the actual price of a 7900xt?

[charred pewter]

"$1,205.00
Price dropped 1% (was $1,219.99 when added to List)"
WOO SAVINGS!!!

[jagged snow]

Whatever it's selling for atm

Amazon notified me when prices went up by 0.1 percent on an item in my cart once

[charred pewter]

UP?

[torpid plaza]

lol

[charred pewter]

ive got stuff in my wishlists added years ago, which have only gone up and up and up ... i always put the 'price it was when added' into the comments, so i can see, since they dont show you if the price has gone UP since you added to list 😄

ive honestly been waiting forever for these to go back to normal price... they've been double cost for years now thanks to idiots thinking they work for covid ...

[wanton orchid]

I didn't get any notifications

did you canceled it

[jagged snow]

You have friend requests disabled
You'll have to send it

[wanton orchid]

oh

[dusk rivet]

4 or 8 pin eps for this build
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/irohlikestea/saved/jfqCwP

[jagged snow]

It's 2x8
I already said that above

[wanton orchid]

wait what

[dusk rivet]

whoops missed that my bad

[wanton orchid]

that's wrong I have "server members" enabled

[torpid plaza]

whats that? O.o

ooh, filters for masks?

[wanton orchid]

what's the point of having server member friend request if it's not accepting then

or do I have to allow direct messages

sounds like a discord bug

[dusk rivet]

is the bridged 8+8 pin PCI-E (GPU) cable the right cable for the 7900xt

[jagged snow]

Yep...
In theory it would be better to do single 8pin and a bridged if you have the budget for it

[dusk rivet]

Better how

[jagged snow]

Technically better reliability, less resistence heating from your cables

[dusk rivet]

no option for a bridged single 8 pin

[jagged snow]

That's because a bridged cable goes from one cable to two connectors

[dusk rivet]

wdym by "single 8 pin and a bridged" then?

oh wait as in a 8+8 bridged and a single 8 pin

[jagged snow]

Yes

[dusk rivet]

then go from psu, to single 8 pin, to 8+8 bridged, then GPU

actual installation wise

[jagged snow]

That card has three ports, it requires two of them connected to boot.
Technically, it draws enough power that it would be recommended to use two cables from the psu to the gpu.

[dusk rivet]

oh the website i saw lied then or i read it wrong

thought it was just 2 8pin slots

that makes a lot more sense

you think 600mm is fine for routing?

[jagged snow]

So you would have a direct, non-bridged cable for port one, and either the same or a bridged cable for the other ones

It just looks nicer with the bridged cable

[dusk rivet]

ah

not quite as expensive as i thought it was gonna be

still crazy expensive for cables

honestly thought there was more cables

[jagged snow]

Hard to say without having built in that case, but that should be plenty

[dusk rivet]

guess quite a few are just fans

[jagged snow]

Are you getting extensions or direct to psu

[dusk rivet]

direct to psu?

that's what i'm looking at rn

[jagged snow]

Ah, ok

They also offer extensions which are cheaper

[dusk rivet]

that might actually be better for me

if i cant see the stock cables then who cares what they look like

[charred pewter]

yes, filters for dust masks, used when woodworking or just house-remodel stuff

[dusk rivet]

going with mod mesh so it's uv reactive

then gonna find a tiny uv light to mount in the case

[jagged snow]

This build is gonna be sick

[dusk rivet]

should fit the cyberpunk theme perfectly

[torpid plaza]

btw, would a 7800xt be enough for playing stuff like half life alyx, beatsaber or vrchat on the bigscreen beyond? (2560x2560 2560x2560 90hz)?

[dusk rivet]

oh yeah nearly half the price

from 187usd to 115usd

[jagged snow]

Yeah it should be

[torpid plaza]

great

[dusk rivet]

do those lengths all look right?

[torpid plaza]

dont have a suitable vr headset yet but would suck if i needed to upgrade unnecessarily when i do get one

[dusk rivet]

if you don't mind the price, i'd get a vive headset

(definitely not biased)

just don't ever need to call their customer service line

[jagged snow]

That looks like plenty... the extensions can be significantly shorter, since they only need to cover the part of the run you'll see(the stock cables can already reach everywhere)

[dusk rivet]

ig the pcie cables should be a touch longer since the visible bit is longer

[jagged snow]

300mm is a little over a foot

[torpid plaza]

the bigscreen beyond is better

[dusk rivet]

but that may be better

[dusk rivet]

i pulled out a tape measure to see what 600mm was a minute ago lol

[torpid plaza]

or, now i see they have a new one that seems promising too, must be recent

[dusk rivet]

i have a tape measure in my desk drawer that i use fairly often just to visualize sizes

[jagged snow]

Yeah, you definitely won't end up too short

[torpid plaza]

which one do u mean?

[dusk rivet]

depends on what ya want

[torpid plaza]

comfort mostly