satisfactory

[wild phoenix]

Need circuits which need plastic which need oil

[thin pilot]

I was gonna restart on regular but o figured this would be a way to force myself to build bigger and play slower

[wild phoenix]

10k Smart plating

[ebon cobalt]

Run around, make a hypertube cannon and gather all the stuff you can, store it and go on

[thin pilot]

You can get them from drop pods

The crash sites

[wild phoenix]

Is the ground loot randomized?

[thick cave]

prob need pure/normal at best

[raven grotto]

where do you guys put your space elevator

[thick cave]

near my hub

[raven grotto]

do you make foundations for it or just rawdog it

[unkempt blade]

the hole over the void in the middle of the map

[wild phoenix]

On the cliff near default spawn

It looks amazing

[wild phoenix]

Rawdog

It fits well

[raven grotto]

i have an idea for mine but idk because i havent even started running coal to my plants yet or even placed a single smelter

[thick cave]

also should i skip over turbofuel in favor of rocketfuel or just do turbofuel for now

[wild phoenix]

Mine looks sick from my hub

[unkempt blade]

basic fuel straight into nuclear like a real winner

[raven grotto]

I lowkey JUST moved to the desert from my plains spawn lol

[wild phoenix]

😭

Why 😭 😭 😭

[thick cave]

was focused on saving all the kittens and puppies like a true pioneer

[unkempt blade]

that's good, then you can be a true pioneer AND a real winner if you play your cards right

[raven grotto]

lots more flat space for easy foundations and tons of pure iron, coal, copper n such

[thick cave]

yea
speaking of nuclear, that's my next major power production

[worn oar]

WOW the game just crashed for the first time in 665 hours. I guess it really did not like my 20 GW solid biofuel plant :(

[ebon cobalt]

Anyone want to get in a call and just talk about the game?

[thin pilot]

Made it all pure to make it half bareable and let me scale factories even more

[thick cave]

but first i have to setup my first two megafactories, 1 for radio control units and supercomputers
and the 2nd is filters

[daring trout]

Does anyone build a coal plant at the water hole area in grassy plains

[thin pilot]

Rocket fuel will create nearly 2x the power of turbo but it depends if you want to go that extra step of making it

[raven grotto]

am I cooked? nearest quartz is almost 2 km away

[daring trout]

No, trucks and trains are friends

[raven grotto]

i dont have trains :/ didnt even know they were in the game

im only at phase two working on advanced steel

[daring trout]

You should have trucks though

[raven grotto]

i do

[daring trout]

Just set up mines in the quartz area and then give it two truck stations, one to unload coal for fuel to both stations and the. Another to load the quartz ore. Then move the ore to a place where you have bigger flat land and then build out quartz processing

Assuming the quartz sources are in difficult places because most of them are

[raven grotto]

but i havent even started making my factory yet for other stuff so I will focus on that first

[daring trout]

Building a highway/train track system will be very needed so you might as well get to it. Personally I like to build roads on bottom, four foundations wide for two-way traffic and then when I’m further along I’ll do trains above it

[raven grotto]

my 2 nearest ones are actually really easy to get to i just checked scim, its literally a drive across the deser

i will first re-automate steel plates and concrete

[thick cave]

and unlocking it

[daring trout]

Which desert?

[raven grotto]

north east, the dune one

found it to probably be the best location with all the resource nodes being so close and pure for the most of them, and i dont mind making a long conveyor here and there

[sleek cape]

Any recommendations for planning tools suitable for mobile? I play on console and wanna be able to plan on mobile

[white dawn]

I don't think there's great options, but https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production does work on mobile

I think any planner/solver/calculator's gonna struggle on such a small screen, though

[sleek cape]

Hmm maybe I'll have to suck it up and just use the laptop as well lol

[daring trout]

Dune desert people say is best for building a centralized mega factory. But I’m personally not a fan of that system because the game requires logistics anyway, and I find it’s easier to build factories by part or source type so that I still have room for expansion

[unkempt blade]

maybe I should slopcode a mobile planner instead of using my extra claude quota to build HMF factories

[sleek cape]

Is it worth trying to min max factories early on? I just got to phase 2 and I'm an optimization autist and I find as stuff unlock I keep rebuilding. Starting to think maybe I just not care about early stuff so I can get to a point where I can build without the fear of having to reconstruct if that makes any sense

[daring trout]

I’m personally in grassy plains. On the coast there’s a 3 pure iron node, 1 pure copper and 1 pure limestone and it’s near coal so it’s quick to power. Right now I’m still only smelting and once I get coal going I will be starting my highway so that I can build a basic iron materials plant at the base of the grassy plains near the cliffs and big waterfall

Also it’s an excellent caterium area for electronics

[unkempt blade]

Nah just focus on research and exploration. You'll be able to optimize harder if you play the game for a bit before you get derailed overthinking the early stuff

[sleek cape]

I had a feeling that was going to be the case. Thanks for confirmation

[white dawn]

I personally strongly recommend against ever re-building. Make whatever factory needs to be made right now, and make it as perfect/efficient/optimized as you want, but then leave it there forever. Whenever you need more of that material, just build more (generally right inside the new factory which needs it, as an intermediate product)

[earnest condor]

1.2 update is going to be your jam.

[daring trout]

Yeah I agree. Trying to get scanning for hard drives unlocked so I can get more alternative recipes so I can maximize

[white dawn]

The problem with rebuilding is that you spend so much time just getting yourself up to the same level of production you already had; I've seen it often lead to burnout

I'm also kind of skirting around my usual recommendation of a build strategy called "Independency" -- https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

(basically: factories are totally isolated from each other, go from ore->product, and only ever "output" to your own personal build-gun-use storage)

[unkempt blade]

yeah I'm not anti-rebuild if it's just because you enjoy it but I think a lot of people do it too much/too early when they'd be better off unlocking stuff and letting it run "imperfectly"

and if you feel compelled to do a rebuild, build the replacement first before you disconnect/tear down the old one

[rose lintel]

So would adding options for machine breakdowns or even fires be some challenge options players might find interesting?

[ornate saffron]

no

[unkempt blade]

I think some form of upkeep could maybe be interesting. Something I have to interact with stuff manually and one by one would be a tedious chore

[ornate saffron]

I will direct you to this

https://youtu.be/J4LlorYbVV0?si=KFTGTqIEZwb9KxjJ

A official video about what they are NOT adding

[unkempt blade]

the reason factorio or DSP or other games can get away with machines entering a broken state is because they also have a feature that automates repairs

[karmic pivot]

Hello all, I’m installing satisfactory as we speak, never played it but watched a lot of YouTube on it.

As a first play through I’m thinking of making a custom game and changing only cost multiplier of the space elevator by 2 or 5

Would this be a terrible idea or just making it that much more fun to automate everything

[ornate saffron]

Personally i say walk before you run

[unkempt blade]

It's already going to be a 200+ hr save for your first time. I'm not sure I'd use a multiplier while you're learning

[sudden current]

Does anybody else underclock their generators to maximize fuel efficiency? I only realized I should be doing that today lol

[earnest condor]

Just the Space Elevator one? 5 is a decent place to start tbh. Just don't touch the "all things cost more" or the power one.

[earnest condor]

Clock speed of generators doesn't affect fuel efficiency at all.

[sudden current]

It does...

[earnest condor]

It does not.

[potent nest]

What are doing to do with the locomotives?

[sudden current]

Yes it does. Look at how much fuel is used per minute when underclocking.

[earnest condor]

Fuels havr a stat MJ value that does not change at all.

[weak axle]

Changing the clock speed of generators changes the amount of fuel used per minute
However, that's not necessarily considered the fuel efficiency, just the usage

[sudden current]

Then how does it give a constant value for burning fuel?

[earnest condor]

Underclocking just means it takes you more machines to burn the same fuel.

[sudden current]

using less fuel would be more efficient...

[potent nest]

What is the best alternative for power?

[earnest condor]

Overclocking is less machines to burn the same fuel.
In both cases the same amount of fuel is burned and the same amount of MW is produced.

[weak axle]

It's just a matter of how you want to split it, really

[earnest condor]

They changed this prior to 1.0 specifically to making generators ignore the normal consumption rules associated with clock speed.

Fuel efficiency is a constant per generator.
Clock speed is just how many machines you need.

[sudden current]

So I'm not saving any fuel by underclocking?

[earnest condor]

None at all.

[sudden current]

Then why does it say the value of fuel used per minute changes?

[karmic pivot]

Yes was just thinking the space elevator one 🙂

[earnest condor]

Specific to generators.
Underclocking other machines does save power.

[sleek cape]

Generators burn fuel based on consumption rate. My understanding is the static x/min value is their potential.

[karmic pivot]

Not to be a bit of a nerd but 200hours isn’t going to take me very long to do haha

[earnest condor]

Because Fuel per MW is constant.
So if you underclock the machine to make less MW, the Fuel consumption goes down to keep the Fuel : MW ratio constant.

If you overclock it to make more MW, Fuel goes up exactly the same to keep Fuel : MW constant.

[unkempt blade]

yeah more just a warning because it's going to slow down your progression which might not be super interesting while you're in learning mode

[sleek cape]

I have twice the amount of generators I need. My max cons is 180, my potential is 360.

My generators say they consume 4/min which is 1 per 15 seconds. Upon looking and counting, they were around 1 per 30ish seconds

[earnest condor]

20 Fuel/min = 250 MW
1 Fuel = 12.5 MW
50 Fuel/min = 625 MW
1 Fuel = 12.5 MW
10/min = 125 MW
1 Fuel = 12.5 MW

[sudden current]

Interesting. Seems odd to me that the value wouldn't change to reflect the real time value of what it based on what's attached to a generator then

[earnest condor]

You talking about the new thing in the UI that adds all the burn rates?

[sleek cape]

I think it's just to show what their potential is. Plus, overstocked fuel and dumping it in crates and processed > loaded in saves loads of time doing trips that's how I do it at least

[earnest condor]

The new UI thing just shows base burn rates and mainly exists to show you what the generator can actually use (lot of people didn't know you can burn Coke in the Coal Gen).

I personally think that information should be in the Codex on the generator pages, and allow you to shift the clock speed like you can on recipe pages.

[sleek cape]

Same way the smelter shows 30 ore per min, but might not use it depending on either supply or demand. Potential.

[earnest condor]

But this is the world we have 🤷‍♂️

[frozen ingot]

when did they add the doggo and confusing creature statues 🤔

[karmic pivot]

Fair point for sure, il ponder on it. My concern was beat it “to fast” and have to New game.
Nothing wrong with that but also want to saver that first play though.
Things to think about 🙂

[worn oar]

Is 27 GW enough solid biofuel power or should I get more?

[unkempt blade]

I'd say double it at least

[earnest condor]

I'd genuinely recommend go with 5x if you were looking at it.

[glad hawk]

because you’re lowering the usage per minute by changing the clock speed I think

Expanding the time interval where the machine consumes fuel

[supple canopy]

lol these questions really are making me stay away from those crazy game settings

is solid biofuel really the only viable power source in *5?

[worn oar]

I'm playing with default settings, not increased power :D

[supple canopy]

correction, these questions really are making me stay away FROM YOU 😳

[neat marlin]

anyone know what this ping is everytime I click my left mouse button?

[supple canopy]

your alt button is stuck, i've had this bug upon startup

try pressing alt once maybe

[neat marlin]

got it

tysm

[stone moth]

Is it worth it to build a factory that is maximized for mark 3 miners and mark 6 belts, even if you only have mark 1 miners and mark 2 belts?

[neat marlin]

also, what are some like things I should try an accomplish? I dont even know if im in early game still to be completely honest, Im jusy playing the game

[stone moth]

to avoid having to rebuild in the later part

[worn oar]

240 heavy modular frames/minute

[neat marlin]

that sounds a bit intense lmao

[worn oar]

No. Premature optimization is generally a way to create extra work for yourself twice in this game. However, you certainly can do this if you want to and it will still create a functional factory.

[supple canopy]

no not that early, futureproofing is really hard unless you have 1000+hrs an is rushing mk6 on your 7th playthrough

[ornate saffron]

you can just upgrade the miner and shunt the excess ore elsewhere

[distant pilot]

no, since you still dont have a lot of alt recipes to make things more efficient

[earnest condor]

Happens when you alt-tab instead of tab-alting.

[distant pilot]

so you'll be rebuilding it anyway most likely

[stone moth]

i am on my like 3rd playthrough, i was just wondering

[earnest condor]

Don't have mk6 belt. Will rebuild everything. 😁

[distant pilot]

though I will say that running MK3 drills onto MK4 belts is the same belt-wise as having overclocked MK3 drills, MK6 belts, and overclocked everything else

but you'll need more trains/trucks/drones to handle that

[unborn moss]

You'll probably be better off just buidling a new factory for the faster miners and faster belts vs trying to upgrade ones you already built.

[stone moth]

Im already halfway done with my futureproofed factory, so i guess im just gonna do it lol

[supple canopy]

really just flow with the curve, first time I automated 1.5 fused modular frame/min felt like an accomplishment

[neat marlin]

I think I have to mess with the whole math aspect of this game

I gotta let my inner nerd out

I havent really tried to optimise things, i've just put stuff togteher to make it automatic

[supple canopy]

whatever makes your brain milk that dopamin is a valid gameplay

[primal sapphire]

Why are my tractor paths curving while I'm going in a straight line

[neat marlin]

makes sense lol

[primal sapphire]

I can't send ss of it it won't let me

[worn oar]

Alright I think that's enough solid biofuel for now: #screenshots message

[primal sapphire]

It like starts twisting if I go to far

[raven grotto]

hey this ADA think she funny until i blow this planet up killing the rest of humanity if there is any

[wild phoenix]

Oh holy fuck

That’s a lot

[worn oar]

But then you get max depot upload speed :D

[earnest condor]

It won't let you send screenshots in #screenshots ? Odd.

[abstract heron]

How about my hrs 19,681 hrs on record

[wild phoenix]

How the hell would that even look like 😭

[worn oar]

240/minute

[abstract heron]

@wild phoenix

How about dis

[primal sapphire]

sent

[earnest condor]

Troubleshooting for Exp stuff is discussed in #satisfactory-experimental 👍

[wild phoenix]

Meh

I mean it’s a lot but still

[wild phoenix]

Factory wise

That would be so much iron

[worn oar]

Yes.

[raven grotto]

do the harmful or whatever you wanna call it animals respawn

[sour mulch]

Satisfactory

[weak axle]

They respawn if there's not enough powered buildings nearby*

(I don't actually know the specific requirements, but last I looked that was what it was based on)

[raven grotto]

ok thank you

[sour mulch]

I'm pretty sure its based solely on buildables

[raven grotto]

these spitters are pmo rn and all i want is this coal and to now exterminate all living life in a kilometer radius

[sour mulch]

Nukes

[sleek cape]

The game feels kinda chaotic starting out with new things always being unlocked. Do things become easier the further you progress? (I don't mean grinding just, the flow of things)

[raven grotto]

nukes are in satisfactory?

oh boy I want to speed through this game now

[sour mulch]

It's all at your own pace

[abstract heron]

With nuclear stuff

[wild phoenix]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production holy fuck 😭

[abstract heron]

Yes play the game at your own pace don't rush it

[wild phoenix]

Aw it disappeared

[abstract heron]

And also sometimes projects takes months or even a year or 2 or 3 to finish

[wild phoenix]

Basically it was like 6k smelters

[worn oar]

You linked the default page

[sour mulch]

I bow for i only have a measly 3500

[supple canopy]

respawn mechanics is wonky, my made up belief is if a building changes the OST from exploration to factory, it'll stop respawning. But it could be wrong

[sleek cape]

I guess what I mean is, do you start to naturally develop systems for things (as things unlock and you gain experience) or is this game somewhat dependant on using external tools like calculators to optimize?

[abstract heron]

i often usse Satisfactory tools when doing big projects

and yes somedays are even placing machines and figuring it out and somedays are doing the belt and pipe work

[supple canopy]

external tools are 100% optional. They help with planning

[abstract heron]

like i am thinking i am making 200 or 300 late space elevator project

[sour mulch]

@abstract heron so do you like wake up, put in a full 8 hour shift of satisfactory every day? Because since the game launched in 2019 that's what you'd need to do to reach that

[sleek cape]

Is there anything that unlocks in the game that let's you evaluate what your throughput is? With the stuff I have set up, I know how much end product my potential is, but I wonder how much x per min of excess is generating without having to go through and add up the x per min of each machine

[sour mulch]

:))

[abstract heron]

Since june 8th 2020 and i do play the game much but on days i have other things somedays i do other things and i take out summer 1 it gets to hot and 2 IRL heat and 3 all Depends when i wake up

[supple canopy]

you will unlock a throughput monitor that you can but anywhere on a straightish portion of a belt

[sour mulch]

Impressive, I bought the game around the same time do you do it for content or just the love of the game?

[abstract heron]

I also test every stage of production at 12am or 2am when your half awake you going to think why is this not working and then think OH crap i screwed up on belts or not working

[abstract heron]

Just love the game currently building 200-300 nuclear pasta or even 400 nuclear pasta IDK yet still heavy WIP

[sour mulch]

How many times have you "saved the day"?

[abstract heron]

0 due to working on nuclear pasta

[sour mulch]

Ive only done it about 5

[latent prawn]

have the kittens & puppies to prove it!

[abstract heron]

Currently making a mess of belts for item going up area

[latent prawn]

getting through the endgoal actually is pretty simple, its if you try building sustained automation for some form of sustained delivery goal, it takes a bunch of work

[abstract heron]

but i over build things and wanting like 200-400 nuclear pasta per minute or how ever much i want

[raven grotto]

just used the top of a miner mk1 as a place to end a conveyor because the cliff was too high and steep

[sour mulch]

Full MK.4 belt would go hard

[raven grotto]

and then put it to the top of the cliff

[abstract heron]

mk5

[sour mulch]

Is that even possible???

[raven grotto]

mk3 seems easier to make quicker* than mk2 am i crazy

[abstract heron]

319hrs or 318hrs to 20khrs

[earnest condor]

Slightly crazy.

[sour mulch]

? I have 3,500 hrs

[raven grotto]

i mean its only 3 factory machines excluding the miner vs like 10 for 5/m of reinforced iron

[earnest condor]

Ok so "quicker" by your definition is "takes less space"?

[raven grotto]

in a way but I also thought steel is just easier to produce hence making it easier to mass produce much more at a time

man im just typing random shi

[abstract heron]

me 19,681 hrs on record

[earnest condor]

That implies anything is difficult to produce?

Also why type random shit?

[raven grotto]

idk? the love of the game?

[abstract heron]

try phase 5 warp drives

[earnest condor]

Love = Random?

[abstract heron]

btw not at 1min

[raven grotto]

depends on what love we talking about

[abstract heron]

maybe 500 per minute

[earnest condor]

It really shouldn't depend at all. But I can see we are just different people 🤷‍♂️

[sour mulch]

Love of the ga.e

Game*

[daring trout]

Bro the mega hogs are the worst

[raven grotto]

sometimes love is random such as hobbies you can randomly say i love this now or i love this now, but sometimes you actually pick it out like picking out grapes from a bunch

[earnest condor]

The Alphas? Or do you mean the Nuclear Cliff Hogs?

[raven grotto]

both

[daring trout]

The ones that throw boulders up to impossible distances

[earnest condor]

So now you're down to Cliff vs. Nuclear Cliff 😄

[abstract heron]

i love having a great movie or show on when i play and make factorys

[daring trout]

Well I haven’t seen any that throw nuclear ones yet but thanks for telling me it gets worse

[earnest condor]

The have a spicy green glow.

[daring trout]

Yeah they aren’t those

I’ve seen nuclear spiders though

[earnest condor]

No, those just gassy. No radiation at all.

NukeHogs VERY radiation.

[daring trout]

I once had one of them green spiders jump at me from the red forest, fall all the way down outside the red forest, still live and then jump at me from the ground while I was in a jet pack

[earnest condor]

Yeah, stingers don't have fall damage if they jump iirc.

[daring trout]

Literally insane fall too. Like you know how there’s that hard drive that sits on the cliffs of red forest just above the quartz site in between grassy plain and the rocky desert?

Mf fell from THAT

It was my mistake wanting a hard drive and thinking I could just get that one without going into red forest when I wasn’t ready

[earnest condor]

Turbo Ammo go brrrrr.

[daring trout]

My butt was using a rebar gun

[earnest condor]

Stun Rebar + Basher is legit combat easy mode.

[daring trout]

Interesting. I prefer my long range ammo due to BOULDER THROWING HOG

[earnest condor]

They won't throw it if you're in the ground though. 😉

Stun, reload, switch, 4 whacks, switch back
Repeat until dead.

[daring trout]

Interesting. I usually only play with regular rebar or the rifle once I get that

[earnest condor]

Turbo Ammo go brrrrrrr.

[feral drum]

note they can do return to sender with

[daring trout]

I survive most of my encounters… most

[earnest condor]

Also, GAS NOBS are insane against every non-stinger enemy.

[daring trout]

I think there’s one area near the swamp with three boulder throwing hogs, that was my final boss battle

[supple canopy]

a nobelisk launcher would go HARD

[feral drum]

yep if you outside their aggo you can gas them out

[daring trout]

A grenade launcher would be peak. They can put it in the next update

[earnest condor]

Or, if you have the Mask, drop a GasNob and stand in it.

They want to fight you they take double damage.

[supple canopy]

yea grenade launcher but with nobelisks

[raven grotto]

setting up water pipes for coal power is so annoying sometimes

and sometimes its so satisfying

[earnest condor]

So much simpler if you overclock the water.

[raven grotto]

does that improve headroom or whatever its called as well?

I have way more than enough crystals for me atm

[earnest condor]

Headlift, no.

[feral drum]

just more water

[earnest condor]

If liquid go up, need pump.
If no go up, no need pump.

[raven grotto]

k

good to know

[feral drum]

also you can make water towers

[raven grotto]

what do you mean by water towers?

[earnest condor]

The "standard" setup is 3:8
But if you just overclock Extractors to 1.5, you're at 1:4

[daring trout]

There is water storage buildings in this game

[raven grotto]

wait so if i pump hard up high.. it flows down easy I presume?

[feral drum]

so you can do pump it up by one pump and add a fliud storage you won't need pumps intill you go over the water tower

[earnest condor]

True "water tower" tech isn't possible in Phase 2 when you're setting up coal as it requires valves. Which are Phase 3.

[raven grotto]

oh ok i see

[daring trout]

I need to build a coal plant but I’m not good at making my crap pretty

[raven grotto]

im honestly trying to get my second base setup and i just got the noti that my old home blew a fune

fuse

[daring trout]

Actually in this save I haven’t built anything yet. Still using portable miners

[earnest condor]

Headlift is preserved.
So if you pump it up 40m then drop it down, you can always get it back to 40m without additional pumps.

Which is what "water towers" abuse when you have access to valves in Phase 3.

[raven grotto]

good to know

[earnest condor]

You have the mk3 belt yet?

[raven grotto]

yes, BUT i havent gotten to the point of setting up my factory and only have mk2 available rn

i probably will prioritize steel

[earnest condor]

I would say make a minimal coal plant to get Beam production going.

[raven grotto]

since I have three coal nodes right next door

[feral drum]

coal power then steel

[raven grotto]

normal but still 3

[earnest condor]

Unlock mk3 belt and mk2 miner, then rebuild at max capacity.

[raven grotto]

when is mk2 miner unlocked?

[neat marlin]

wait really?

[earnest condor]

Which biome did you start in?

[earnest condor]

In your current Phase.

[raven grotto]

the "easy one" or the plains I think? but I have since moved to the dunes desert

[earnest condor]

Oof

Rocky Desert my beloved.

[neat marlin]

what is the best biome? Should I stick to the "easy" biome or go somewhere else once Im situated

[earnest condor]

Rocky Desert.

@raven grotto water is down the cliff right?

[raven grotto]

if I want or theres a lake to the left of the picture not too far away requiring less headlift

[earnest condor]

Pro tip: build your plant down the cliff.
Because you know what doesn't require pumps or headlift at all? Coal on conveyor lifts. 😉

[neat marlin]

I should 100% move there? Im on the last step of tier 3

[earnest condor]

As Obi-Wan once said:
You should do what you feel is right, of course.

[raven grotto]

already made my coal conveyor :D

all mk2 will upgrade to mk3 when unlocked

because its a pure node

[neat marlin]

Alrighty, im making the move lol

also, are blueprints worth figuring out rn?

[supple canopy]

dunno if it's really worth it, it depends on your playstyle but later game factory location isn't really relevant anymore, rarer ressources location will make you build crossbiomes logistics anyway

[raven grotto]

good question... havent even unlocked them yet lol

[earnest condor]

Worth is subjective to the individual.

I rarely use the BP system.

[raven grotto]

this whole game is subjective, just like any logistics game and thats what makes me love them

[neat marlin]

im just coming back to the game after a good while, so ima need some ellaboration xD

[earnest condor]

@raven grotto are you using the 4 normals for power?

[supple canopy]

I use bps almost exclusively for aesthetics. Some people have crazy outputs and use BPs to build 8 machines at once. Really depends

[raven grotto]

4 normal coal nodes?

might use them for steel but that pure line is enough for all 4 plants without any power crystals

[earnest condor]

I use BPs exclusively for non-aesthetics because I like my "for looks" stuff to be unique 😂

[earnest condor]

The 4 normals are good for steel because of how many other coal nodes in DD are immediately next to water... 😭

[raven grotto]

oh you saying i should put the plants next to the water huh

[supple canopy]

well if you're going to use trucks or trains to bring in rare ressources you could as well build in a less ressource-plenty biome and bring other stuff with trains just as easily

[raven grotto]

would be smart but im def too lazy to fix it now

already in it this deep

[supple canopy]

oh it is unique, but the build process is repetitive and you can bp a wall section for instance

[neat marlin]

okay makes sense

[dense violet]

it's probably more work to be lazy on this point

[raven grotto]

i wouldnt think so, i mean its just a few pipeline pumps

[earnest condor]

And you're going to remake it when you have the mk2 miner anyways.

[neat marlin]

what is most helpful in the tier 4 section of the hub upgrades? Im leaning towards mk. 3 upgadres

although, I legit havent touched anything mk. 2 yet

[raven grotto]

are mk2 dimensions different I assume thats the main reason i would have to

and rates obv but

[earnest condor]

The most helpful tip I can give you is "never do milestones in order."

[earnest condor]

Miners are all the same height/width. Just the model changes and the output potential doubles.

[raven grotto]

ive skipped blueprints every time it will be my last milestone of phase 1

oh ok

[neat marlin]

I meant that I have mk. 2 unlocked, just havent used them.

[earnest condor]

Blueprints are Phase 2.

Steel is Phase 2.

[raven grotto]

oh right right

the phase you are working on is the phase you are in I see

[earnest condor]

Aye.

[neat marlin]

wait wdym steel and blueprints are phase two? I have them in phase 1 no?

[earnest condor]

Someone tried to legit argue this yesterday and it was funny.

[neat marlin]

lol

[earnest condor]

Steel is Phase 2.

Oil is Phase 3.

Aluminium is Phase 4.

[raven grotto]

OIL? 🦅

[sleek cape]

What are blueprints

[earnest condor]

Yesterday guy:

Are you dumb?
let me fill your brain with some knowledge real quick
Manufacturers are unlocked in Phase 2

😂

Trying to fill my brain with knowledge and doesn't even know his Phases. 😂

[dense violet]

last words on many a piper's tombstones

[earnest condor]

Oil and Bacon are both in the game. 😁

[raven grotto]

man do i love me some bacon too

[earnest condor]

I collect all of it because I will make a MURICA building with just endless Crude Oil barrels and bacon on belts running by 😁

[neat marlin]

im assuming coal should be used over biomass if I have the option?

[earnest condor]

Coal being something you don't have to go back and refill is a large boon, yes.

[neat marlin]

is it found in the rocky desert perchance?

that would be nice

[oak delta]

You know what I wish there was in this game like a crossbow or something that shoots out the novelists to make land clearing even faster

[dense violet]

that exists

[worn oar]

Explosive rebar

[compact knot]

cluster nobelisk

[oak delta]

Does it and no I'm not talking explosive rebar I'm talking like something that's able to shoot them a lot faster than that and isn't super expensive

[raven grotto]

also who cares about headlift when if you start pretty much even and theres a dip you can use stackable supports

[worn oar]

Magazine size or weapon research tree mods

[dense violet]

I'm going to be very excited about your future pipe builds 🙂

[worn oar]

If you literally just want to clear the land now, then get auto-collect foliage. It has a setting to also clear trees. 🙂

[oak delta]

Yeah something like that would be cool like you're able to research weapons and down by the later ends you get like a nobelisk crossbow

[earnest condor]

Multiple places.

Top left has 4 nodes, flat land, and water all right there for the power making.

[neat marlin]

I was just googling some things, why would the dune desert not be as good if not better? It has more resources and is still flat

[oak delta]

There's a spot at negative -728 1655 where there's like four coal nodes one is under a rock though and they're not that far from a huge lake and a good thing about it is there's a pure iron node right next to that lake

So you can also make steel

[neat marlin]

appreciate it!

[oak delta]

It's a decent spot I use it for making heavy modular frames which you're not going to get to till tier 4

[earnest condor]

The biome with the highest terrain variance on the map is FLAT?

[daring trout]

Is that spot better for steel than power?

[neat marlin]

lmao I guess google ai lied to me

[oak delta]

I don't really think so the only reason it's good for me for steel is because I have the pure iron ingots which makes it to where that I can use the water that's below there to make an butt load more iron per ore and then I can turn those into more steel with another recipe

[earnest condor]

LLM being a shit source of information that no one should trust?

If only 99% of the entire planet agreed on that.
Oh wait...

[oak delta]

But I don't think you can even use that recipe until you reached level four and you're able to use the refinery

[daring trout]

I guess you could do both, one of the coal mines for power and then steel with the other

[neat marlin]

I agree with you

you* not the ai

lmaoo

[daring trout]

But no tree? No tree!

[naive palm]

I kind of just set up power wherever is convenient. Once I get to oil power if I decide I'd rather switch a coal plot to steel production there's kind of no downside to doing so.

[oak delta]

Yeah there is four of them but one of them is under a rock so you have to be able to blow it up which yeah it's pretty easy to get boom in this hame

Game

[daring trout]

I like boom

[oak delta]

So you could have two making steel to making power

And I just figured out why my rubber factory has not been working it's because I'm an idiot

[daring trout]

I’m in grassy plain and I am trying to hard drive hunt right now but I want to get power going before I really set anything up. I still am not using anything permanent and I am in phase 3

[naive palm]

That's good. imo early phases are all about doing just enough, producing juuuuuuust enough to move into higher tiers. Building at scale is largely pointless early on, unless you're doing it purely for fun (which is always valid).

[oak delta]

Well it's honestly good to kind of get up to tier 4 and then make a base cuz I was halfway through tier 3 like I was just about to unlock advanced steel production and I made a humongous 50x50 and I really really don't want to move because it's going to be so annoying to rebuild all the factory I'm also just horrible at making nice looking factories so I was just wait a little bit

[daring trout]

All I got is some portable miners going on caterium, coal, quartz, iron copper limestone. Probably should find sulfur but I think it’s far asf from me

[frosty nimbus]

Satisfactory 1.2 hype!!!

[oak delta]

If you find a catarium node immediately automate quick wire you will need so much of that at the point that I'm at for some of the alternate recipes you'll regret not having automated the hell out of it early game

[daring trout]

I am trying to unlock some alts before I build more permanently. I want to get wet caterium and then recipes to get rid of screws

[dense violet]

eh, just build until you unlock everything at the end - then make your perfect factories

[oak delta]

Honestly screws aren't that big of a problem once you get the steel screws you know those ones you can turn the steel beams into like 52 screws I use that one and like do I have two pure nodes of each making steel to constantly fund my screw addiction yes do I have to worry about screws anytime soon no

[naive palm]

"You're saying I can produce more screws per second?"
No Neo. I'm saying, when you master Satisfactory - you won't need screws.

[daring trout]

There’s an open caterium mine on the coast almost near the island they decided to basically tune out of anything. Not blocked by any blow up rocks or anything. A few hundred meters is another caterium node that does need the boom though. So I’m planning to get them built up using the wet recipe to maximize production

[oak delta]

Actually yeah that's one of the pretty good ones cuz I don't know if you know but not very far from that mind you my entire map is completely covered in radar which I suggest you unlock the second you can but right next to that like just up the lake a little bit is 4 pure iron notes to pure limestone and a pure sulfur

[dense oar]

What would be cool if we had animated text like how advertisement be Showing different text.

[daring trout]

Apparently you can’t send pictures in here…

[oak delta]

Why is it between project part number four and project part number five does the difficulty go from 3 to 15 like why

[daring trout]

It’s literally the bottom left corner of map where I’m at on the coast

[dense violet]

it's basically the only channel you cant

[oak delta]

Dan me it

Dm

[dense violet]

you can post images in literally every other channel xD

[raven grotto]

are there binoculars or zoom without using camera function

[oak delta]

I don't think so I tend to just use the camera function all the time anyways clears up my screen

[naive palm]

->#screenshots

[oak delta]

It also looks like my 50,000 wires that have been sitting in large crates for God knows how long have also officially finally ran out that only took almost two weeks

[daring trout]

I was just telling Oreo where on the map is my starting location

[worn oar]

That 10/minute motors was surprisingly good enough until I went to rocket fuel. Now it's laughably small. I quadrupled it. Hopefully that's enough motors? 40

Also quintupled copper sheets but probably going to have to 10x them instead

[raven grotto]

finally got blade runners

[hollow hemlock]

its never enough, make more, sink what you dont use, then you need to make the sink points graph higher, so make more

[raven grotto]

didnt realise the MAM was that important

[dense violet]

its probably teh most important thing

[naive solstice]

I have a feeling i already know the answer to this, you know how there is a fast remove by holding control, there isnt a fast place for things like platforms/walls?

[dense violet]

tap R for various zoop modes

[worn oar]

Press R to zoop

[naive solstice]

ooop

[worn oar]

*zooop

[naive solstice]

ooooh, i love this game

[dense violet]

foudnations and walls have multiple zoop modes too

[dense violet]

also, if you hold E while building an item, it'll bring up a radial menu of similar items

it helps compact your hot bars

[oak delta]

What tier do I unlock the hover pack at

[dense violet]

7

[oak delta]

7 the

[worn oar]

6-7

[naive solstice]

woah, can i do a grid, or instead of row at a time, do like a full floor or something

[oak delta]

Shush

[raven grotto]

im so glad i learned about zoop building

[oak delta]

Zoop is very nice

[raven grotto]

very efficent

[mental wren]

how we all doing

[raven grotto]

good hbu

[mental wren]

Good, I need to get back into the game and work on my cooling tower nuclear power plant mega project.

[raven grotto]

today was the last day of school so im grinding rn :D

[worn oar]

I'm almost mentally prepared to turn on the 144 GW rocket fuel plant

Almost

[mental wren]

The cooling tower is finished but im trying to figure out what I want all my external buildings to look like.

[raven grotto]

BFS reference

[daring trout]

Wait do you mean zoop building

[worn oar]

I still don't know what the point of water wells is

[daring trout]

Post pics

[worn oar]

Are people actually packaging water and sending it around?

[worn oar]

I have to wait an hour or so for the fluid buffers or my power graph will be extremely cringe

[raven grotto]

press r when laying foundation or building walls is it i think (after already placing one and getting your grid going) then you can build up to like 10 in a row

very rough but i believe to be right explanation

[outer scarab]

yo, can someone who has done large nuclear answer the #math-and-meta question?

[worn oar]

Done

[daring trout]

Oh ok yeah I’ve done that

[outer scarab]

ty

[daring trout]

I meant of the plant not the electricity usage lol

[raven grotto]

how much energy does a pipeline pump use

[worn oar]

4 MW

[dense violet]

!wikisearch pump

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=pump

[worn oar]

Are you QUITE sure?

[raven grotto]

ty

[dense violet]

praise the wiki, love the wiki

[raven grotto]

man same phrase different wording no matter the game lol

and my coal power plants are now functional

time to get this factory rollin

[daring trout]

Wait why lol do you think it’s ugly

[oak delta]

Oh God I'm going to need someone's help

I'm about to post a picture in screenshots

[raven grotto]

only bad thing is that my fuel and water already takes up almost 44 mw

[daring trout]

Time to expand the coal plant I’m assuming you haven’t gotten to oil

[raven grotto]

nope, but first I want to get steel running for mk3 conveyors and mk2 miner

[daring trout]

Train spiral but it’s ugly

[outer scarab]

corkscrew

[oak delta]

How do I even build a corkscrew with a train dog

[outer scarab]

Also why do you need to change elevation? Just make sky train and lift everything up to it

[earnest condor]

Train elevator > Train spiral.

[daring trout]

Wait there are elevators for trains now

[oak delta]

Are there

If there is I'm just going to use that

[daring trout]

@earnest condor come back explain yourself

[raven grotto]

im so stupid why have I always been making conveyor spaghetti when i could just have been using conveyor lifts

oml

[outer scarab]

um... do you know about walls?

[daring trout]

If it makes you feel better I learned you can dismantle crash sites for parts today

[raven grotto]

who we asking

[outer scarab]

did you know you can have an infanitly long virtical conveyor?

[raven grotto]

what how when where and why?

[outer scarab]

I mean, that's kinda new

[raven grotto]

i mean i started like 4 days ago

[outer scarab]

conveyor holes

[raven grotto]

im already cooked i have 20hrs in it

[oak delta]

For the infinitely long conveyor elevator you put a foundation with a conveyor hole and then the conveyor elevator at the very bottom make sure it is perfectly aligned look up at the hole and as long as it's placed from the floor you can snap it into that spot

[outer scarab]

laughs in 5000 hrs of afk time

[compact knot]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057

[raven grotto]

20 hrs of non afk time

[outer scarab]

yah that's ugly

[oak delta]

I'd like 140 hours in like 50 of that is just AFK waiting for things to be built

[gritty marsh]

yeah, thats a thing

[compact knot]

but it works, nly push/pull trians this palythrough 🙂

[outer scarab]

why make faster factory when you can afk

[gritty marsh]

afking is boring

[daring trout]

Are you me?

[raven grotto]

cant afk with no factory 🫠

[earnest condor]

Why afk when you can actually play the game?

[outer scarab]

have you never played an afk game?

[raven grotto]

this game is very much afk heavy at some points and I dont even need to do it yet

[outer scarab]

i mean thats a choice

you can always do more

[gritty marsh]

appears that way

[raven grotto]

lowkey when i need rotors i afk hand craft em

especially the screws

[outer scarab]

in the start of the game you can throw down 20 personal drills and hand load into containers to speed up the start too

[daring trout]

No you’re better than me I can’t make pretty roads yet

[gritty marsh]

I dont have much playtime tbh, only at 750 hours

[earnest condor]

No. That is a choice.
There is always something you could be doing.

Game actually gets better when you enforce no-afk rules.

[dense violet]

go explore, get hard drives, plan new factories, build new factories - all things you can do to help progress while you wait for parts

[earnest condor]

Imagine building roads...

REN AND REN ARE TYPING...

[gritty marsh]

This is my first time building roads lol

[daring trout]

That’s less than me…. Tbh I had this game when it was in pilot and I just got back into it this week. So last I played was in 0

[gritty marsh]

LMAO

[daring trout]

I must type when Ren is just so it’s funny

[gritty marsh]

I think Ive played U3 U4, U7, U8, 1.0, 1.1, 1.2

[earnest condor]

Roads: #design-and-architecture message

[daring trout]

I wish blueprints were quicker in the tier tree though

[abstract heron]

19,683 hrs on record do i need to keep playing?

[oak delta]

I agree with you on that fully

[abstract heron]

i been playing u3 u4 u5 u6 u7 u8 1.0 1.1 and 1.2

[earnest condor]

Hard disagree.

[daring trout]

I think I got this game around u5 I can’t remember honestly

[dense violet]

The point hes tryign ot make is it's easier to plan trucks with the natural roads

[abstract heron]

I got the game June 8th 2020

hi Cobalt

[daring trout]

Building roads is good because tractor pathing is annoying and so it makes it that speed is consistent and less likely to crash with opposing trucks

[compact knot]

i imagine building roads and here is what i see https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057

[earnest condor]

Um. None of this is true 😭

[dense violet]

record thigns slower - solves almost all issues

also you won't even ahve that argument with 1.2

[daring trout]

But then truck is slower

[gritty marsh]

Yeah, I know theres the natural roads. I just want to build highways.

[outer scarab]

belts are best, sorry it's just true

[earnest condor]

In detail, describe why speed matters at all when the only metric builds care about is throughput?

[compact knot]

trucks and trains bring the game to life

[outer scarab]

they also crash your game

[dense violet]

all you care about throughput, if you need more throughput on a truck path, add more truck

[daring trout]

Natural roads don’t exist in necessarily all areas of the map where you may want something

[outer scarab]

you can easily belt every resource in the game to where ever you want in a few hours

[daring trout]

I personally hate mega spaghetti, it’s not realistic to me

[dense violet]

part of the planning of factories. Much like you probably don't want 2 locations through terrible terrain if you want ot use trains

[earnest condor]

Natural roads do exist in almost 90% of all areas.
So...

[daring trout]

Sure but that doesn’t mean that’s where the nodes are for raw resources

I can’t be the only one arguing for roads this is ridiculous lol

[earnest condor]

The only completely inaccessible area I can think of is the plateau next to the DD.

[dense violet]

there are so many options of getting things from A to B throug hvarious terrains - you're never locked into that

if you're going through alllll the effort of making roads you might as well use trains at that point

like the benefit of trucks is they take almost no infrastructure

[earnest condor]

New challenge: watch your Drone flight path and build a sky tunnel around it.

[gritty marsh]

LMFAO

[dense violet]

I did that with the Manta, could take that as an extra challenge

[daring trout]

We also have unlimited resources too

[abstract heron]

are my hrs good ren

[earnest condor]

Could be interesting to make skylight checkpoints they fly through tbh.

[gritty marsh]

amazing

[dense violet]

it was honestly pretty tough with just the manta without making the tunnel HUGE

I'd need to figure out a better way to trace the paths

[oak delta]

What is with rails in their deep fascination of going under the mesh

[raven grotto]

oh my god

you can set hotkeys to items

this is peak

[earnest condor]

🤔

[raven grotto]

buildings*

[earnest condor]

Buildings and items are VERYYYYYYYYYYYY different.

[raven grotto]

i knew what I ment but i didnt say what i meant to say

[earnest condor]

Life skill to work towards tbh 💛

Having those 2 things align is "peak" communication.

On god.
Bruh.

[raven grotto]

sorry but that second sentance just sounded like ai 😭

[earnest condor]

Correct grammar being attributed to LLMs only is the current state of the education system's failure across the board... 😭

[daring trout]

Sevrahn is obviously a bot, there’s no other way to explain it

[raven grotto]

see this guy gets it

[earnest condor]

No.

[dense violet]

I gut e gutta tak lak dis noo

[daring trout]

I’m being sarcastic lol

[raven grotto]

best thing to say when the joke doesnt land right

[dense violet]

wait, let me melt my brain first

[raven grotto]

meltmaxxing all over again

[daring trout]

You can try building the nuclear power plant that’ll do it

[dense violet]

nuclear is pretty simple honestly

especially if you use base recipes

[gritty marsh]

Yeah, that is the big benefit to them. The only reason Im building highways in my save is because i want to. Appeals more to my brain, and it looks better to me. I dont care if at that point I should just use trains. I want trains to only go between factories. Regardless, its up to what you want to what you value, theres no right or wrong way to do things.

[outer scarab]

HAHAHAHAHHAAHA no

[earnest condor]

First, there was the generation obsessed with waxing everything.
Now, there is a generation obsessed with maxing everything..

[raven grotto]

just like everything else :D

[gritty marsh]

It kinda is though Im gonna be honest

[daring trout]

Sevrahn just used two periods consecutively 😱 the AI model is breaking!

[dense violet]

everything in this game is only as hard as you decide it to be

[worn oar]

#screenshots message

[raven grotto]

What are you without your difficult thinking?

[dense violet]

what's hard about this? https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=NrTeZkNrr8JMhUQG5XtV

[dense violet]

everyone want's a different level of challenge

[worn oar]

I'm not even ready to start nuclear pasta yet and I'm already using up to 60 GW of power 😭

[dense violet]

like building 50 ur rods pm in multiple circles #design-and-architecture message

[dense violet]

honestly I could simplify that link further with a few alts

[gritty marsh]

My save is set to use around 320GW in the end

[raven grotto]

FAHHHH i messed it up

[worn oar]

That's crazy

[raven grotto]

i meant to say

[dense violet]

dramatically reduce resource costs too

[raven grotto]

If thinking something is difficult no matter what, what are you without that thought?

[daring trout]

I’m using 0GW of power

Peak satisfactory right there

[gritty marsh]

Manual labor

[daring trout]

I’m actually just super early in the game lmao

[gritty marsh]

I figured, that is how the start of the game is

[raven grotto]

pretty much

[daring trout]

I unlocked coal power today, I don’t build anything until I build power. I know biofuel is better now but I still hate it

[raven grotto]

i tried asking if i could enslave whale dudes but no answer

[raven grotto]

I unlocked coal power n never looked back

only use of bio in my eyes are tractors and chainsaws

[earnest condor]

Run Tractors on coal.

[raven grotto]

you can run them on coal?

[dense violet]

sprint around holding e for 7 minutes, turn it to solid biofuel and you're done. Whats the issue?

[daring trout]

Yeah I only use it for chain saws

[raven grotto]

sweet

is it more efficent too I assume

[earnest condor]

Someone isn't coal-maxing. 😉😏

[daring trout]

I like automating power, sort of how I like to automate other things

[daring trout]

Look at Rockefeller over here

[oak delta]

You know you can do the smart thing and make a turbo feel farming your cars off turbo fuel I'm screwing with you dude I'm pretty sure you don't even have oil unlocked yet

[dense violet]

yeah but that's a whole phase of handcrafting, which is at least 10x more work. Probably a lot more
and DEFINITELY not automating

[raven grotto]

and if I go afk for some reason it no matter what runs

[raven grotto]

yea no im only on phase two and JUST starting to build my factory

[gritty marsh]

But its workmaxing

[daring trout]

The sound of the fuse being blown still haunts me

[earnest condor]

Is this peak historical figure reference-maxing?

[oak delta]

I mean hey I'm pretty sure phase 3 you get coal and coal the best you're going to get until that for a while so yeah I would say just power your cars off coal

[earnest condor]

Phase 2 is coal.

[daring trout]

Wait you can use kohls cash?

[raven grotto]

dude i saw someone say on a post somewhere it took them 1500 hours to finish their first playthrough... i now see why

[gritty marsh]

Coal power is generally something you want to do ASAP once you have access to it.

[raven grotto]

over under half it was afk though

[oak delta]

I hate autocorrect

[dense violet]

a lot of internet slang is pretty dumb but I'm going to be very happy when the maxxing phase ends

[daring trout]

This is the first thing we’ve agreed on tonight I feel like lol

[raven grotto]

dude i probably have a bit of that where can i sign up

[earnest condor]

That's some unc-maxing right there ong frfr.

[dense violet]

for cap real?

[earnest condor]

Cappest

[daring trout]

Didn’t even get the slang right you know it’s unc maxxing

[raven grotto]

If brainrot is your power, what are you without it?

[hard wolf]

minmaxxing never ends

[dense violet]

too hip to get it right

[daring trout]

Brainrot is automated by TikTok

[earnest condor]

It isn't a power though. It is a distraction.

[gritty marsh]

Oh, for sure. I generally hate all the internet slang. Just... Use words. I basically live on the internet and still dont even know what all of it means.

[raven grotto]

well minmaxing was a thing way before maxxing was a thing though id say fs thats different

[dense violet]

I don't mind most of it, I just don't find the maxxing thing particularly creative

[daring trout]

On god

[dense violet]

just seems lazy

[raven grotto]

like trying to squeeze every last % out (i hope im thinking of the right thing here)

[earnest condor]

Not hip enough, that's why they both hurt constantly. 😏

[hard wolf]

I guess, in a way, all maxxing is minmaxxing

[dense violet]

nah, that's from the surgeries

[daring trout]

At least 6 7 died my 33 year old brother was saying it constantly, that was cringe

[raven grotto]

oh trust me it hasnt

[earnest condor]

Younglings...

[gritty marsh]

yeah

[daring trout]

https://tenor.com/view/youth-mad-angry-man-mad-at-youth-gif-3547198

[raven grotto]

but who cares schools over

[worn oar]

Oh, it's a spike from 13 GW up to 40 GW for my pasta. That is actually not as bad as I expected.

[daring trout]

Bro gif don’t even work right in here, I should protest

[dense violet]

fastest way to kill a dumb trend is to have older people spam it everywhere. Your bro is doing god's work

[daring trout]

I can’t wait to automate Italian food, it’s my goal in life

[raven grotto]

embed failure lol

[outer scarab]

they dont allow pictures in this chat

[daring trout]

Im_old.gif

[hard wolf]

with great power comes great responsibility, and the power to make people cringe is something I use very irresponsibly :3c

[raven grotto]

or kids like 10 or below that shit pmo so much too like quit spamming your only emote brother

[gritty marsh]

They havent sunk enough resources to buy new ones

[raven grotto]

gotta learn somehow ig

[daring trout]

They just unlocked the awesome sink give them time

[outer scarab]

idk why you would join a discord and ask for help 10 mins into this game

[gritty marsh]

Exactly

[worn oar]

I built a 36 GWh backup power storage array in the anticipation that I would get destroyed by slooped sharded accelerators. But no.

[raven grotto]

do you guys make sectors at your bases or no

thinking about making a steel only section

[worn oar]

The spaghetti MUST grow

[gritty marsh]

Some people are just that clueless. I work in customer service so i see things like that all the time.

[raven grotto]

i need to start producing concrete again before i run out lol

[outer scarab]

why would you stop producing it in the first place?

[gritty marsh]

I dont even have a base right now, I wiped a old save that got ended up becoming too much spaghetti to save. Got a ton of crates Im just pulling resources from to get going again

[daring trout]

Fuse blown probably lol, gotta speedrun to coal

[outer scarab]

I can get to coal in about 4 hours

[daring trout]

Yeah I know coal is easy lol but they’re too new to know, that’s why you join the discord I guess

[outer scarab]

mistakes are how you learn

[raven grotto]

well have fun because I personally love placing foundation and growing its just so smooth

[outer scarab]

Like the Devs learning not to make the HUB a unique Item

[gritty marsh]

I played a multiplayer save at one point, some guy took the hub and hid with it, had to use scim to get it back

[daring trout]

I learned back in I think U7 when I had too much conveyer and it tanked my computer. Gotta keep that ish buried inside buildings now. Gotta use trucks and trains to bring it in if it’s too far out

[oak delta]

I both love trains and I'm too dumb for these things so can't make them look nice

[gritty marsh]

Im going into my reset with a focus on building nice factories

[outer scarab]

people use to take the HUB and jump off a cliff

[oak delta]

I need to do that same thing

That's after I beat this game at least once

[daring trout]

Who needs enemies when you have friends like this

[raven grotto]

right now i think im going to build my first ever enclosed room of a factory , now of course its going to be quite small relatively as its just concrete with 4 constructers and like 2 storage for the hell of it

[outer scarab]

if you want to build a nice factory, use blueprints for everything, set up a grid pattern for your build, etc...

[outer scarab]

always ask yourself this, is your factory just a box on top of your mess, or is it a building with stuff in it

[daring trout]

Yeah it’s just blueprints are a pain in the butt to unlock and then they are limited in size so you have to be strategic

[gritty marsh]

Yup, Im working on infrastructure rn though

[raven grotto]

i want the building one but we'll see how it goes

are roofs just foundations on top of walls

[daring trout]

No

[outer scarab]

i mostly use blueprints for repetitive things like pasting down splitters

[gritty marsh]

There are actual roofs in the game, you can get them in the awesome shop

[raven grotto]

agh i need stuff to do stuff but to do that stuff i need stuff

and for that stuff i need m0ore stuff

its a never ending loop!

[outer scarab]

You can make your own roof, I personally like asphalt roofs

if you want to free play end game just start with that, the game lets you

[raven grotto]

no no, the progression part is definitely the best part

[outer scarab]

I always have issues with how I do multipul inputs. Do you clip them down or up? do you make the same pattern every time?

[raven grotto]

its just that my mind keeps thinking I need to do this and this and this and the list continously grows with no end

[outer scarab]

beating the game gets borring after the first 10 times

[raven grotto]

Ive got a while left on my first time so

20h in and about halfway through phase 2 milestone wise

[outer scarab]

then yes, I suggset rushing the tech tree and then making your "nice" factory

[raven grotto]

tech tree in the MAM I assume

[outer scarab]

no i mean genral

[raven grotto]

ah ok

[outer scarab]

like go unlock everything first

b/c a mark 1 miner base isnt the same as a mark 3 miner base

and as much as people like to say they plan for more, you dont

[worn oar]

Wow the cyber wagon handles terribly. I can't believe Elon would do this to us.

[gritty marsh]

I like to do this #screenshots message

[abstract heron]

Encashed industrail pipes i mean are done

[gritty marsh]

above or below works, below tends to be more aesthetic if you have the space in the floor to do it

[outer scarab]

Yah I do that too but it's ugly

I like having a single 4m floor below to hide everything

[gritty marsh]

I also just sushi belt it and use smart splitters with an awesome sink at the end, but thats a lazy solution

[gritty marsh]

my arch nemesis, istg

Theyre not even hard, I just somehow ended up having to make a shit ton

[abstract heron]

How aabout me making 200-300 or 400 nuclear pasta idk how much yet

[gritty marsh]

like, per minute?

[abstract heron]

yes

[gritty marsh]

impossible

[abstract heron]

MODS 😛

[gritty marsh]

probably still impossible im ngl

depends what mods ig

its 144k copper ore/min to make ONLY the copper powder for nuclear pasta

[earnest condor]

Excuse me?

The very foundation of my entire world, mixed-item belting, that most people here say is horrible because "it always breaks when I try it" is LAZY?

[quick hound]

I snorted the.copper powder

[gritty marsh]

Im ngl, idk why I said that part. It does appear to be generally hard for people to grasp the idea of though. Ive never had issues with it the times Ive done it though

[quick hound]

Hey, do you want to eat some cement with me?

[earnest condor]

I'll be over here grumble-maxing after that insult. 😭

[hard wolf]

feeding a heavy frame manufacturer with one belt is peak sushi

[earnest condor]

Ong frfr

Bruh

[gritty marsh]

This is so true.

[quick hound]

ren ignored me completely :<

[gritty marsh]

I prefer having the cement as powder

[quick hound]

Ooo! So you wanna snort some with me?

[hard wolf]

liquid cement, cement mixer, and foundation frame mod when? and maybe a crane so that big stuff can be built horizontally and then rotated?

[ancient lagoon]

i swear to god at some point i saw someone posting about smaller signs (labels, portrait, etc) working with GI but i cant seem to find it nor get them to work in game

[gritty marsh]

yes!

[quick hound]

loud snorting sounds UUUUUUGH that’s the good shit

[raven grotto]

finished my 10/m reinforced iron plate room (subject to change and increase by a lot over time)

[wicked nacelle]

RIP sucks. eventually I suggest making blueprints to pump it out from just iron ingots. So you don't even have to think about it. same for modular frames.

[sacred summit]

am i able to ask some questions here? or is there somewhere better?

[ember hatch]

1. why ask to ask
2. #1038092680493801533 is dedicated to that but nobody will mind if you ask here

[ancient lagoon]

nvm figured it out!!! r.AOGlobalDistanceField.MinMeshSDFRadius 10 yippee

[dense violet]

if it' simple, here is fine

[raven grotto]

DNA is the way to go with the sink isnt it

at least early on

[ancient lagoon]

early on just go radhog jousting at a crash site, nab up all the turbo motors and computers and goodies, then sink those for hella tickets

[dense violet]

I mean sink over flow stuff too

[ancient lagoon]

can get about 2/3s of the stuff in the shop just from what ISNT used in mam, which is like... idk 150 computers or something plus a bunch of HMFs

[raven grotto]

ive been playing for 8 hours

damn

[raven grotto]

steel production and RIP in a usable state... after almost 9 hours

yea im cooked

[gritty spire]

can i load balance two different items?

[sudden current]

How do you guys manage storage early game (Tiers 3/4)? I just have a bunch of storage organizers by my HUB and wondering if I should start a depot.

[wise junco]

i just let each independent factory keep on truckin' to a storage container with a dimensional depot on top of that, with excess to sink. even early

[sour cargo]

what are you even storing? and how many is "a bunch" ?

[cursive crane]

Not reliably without planning an overflow sink

[dense violet]

just use smart splitters to over flow into a container

[raven grotto]

should i overclock my power plants?

or is it not worth it

[dense violet]

all it does is save space
is that worth it to you ?

[raven grotto]

i mean kinda

[dense violet]

basically OCing anything but miners/extractors doesn't do anything but save space

[raven grotto]

would be nice having that free real estate

[dense violet]

you can compact coal power plants very easily #1488544511071096892 message

and if you're making a mess of fuel gens, go nuclear. Literally 1/10th the generators

[cursive crane]

When building a 30GW power plant, going from 80+ generators down to 30ish is a helluva space saver

[raven grotto]

im currently in phase two and dont plan to leave for quite a bit, not in the picture rn lol

one day

but ill probably stick to my cpp then

[dense violet]

not in the picutres?

[sour cargo]

why not?

[raven grotto]

like not the ones in the pictures you mean?

[raven grotto]

dont want to rush myself, want to get a nice base going and enjoy the ride to the end

[sour cargo]

i mean, completing the space elevator is just the tutorial 🙃

[dense violet]

That was an example of how you can stack coal generators very easily to save space. 64 of them

[raven grotto]

i have 3 in a spot that i really cant put anything anywhere else and I also dont need anywhere near that much power at least for now

[dense violet]

the milestones are very much a tutorial. Basically there to teach you the basics.
your needs change every tier so much it's .... 100x the work trying to make them work

[worn oar]

I really thought 35/min radio control units was enough. So naive...

[sour cargo]

where dod you build it?

[dense violet]

3 coal gens? that really won't last you. Each new machine type you unlock uses a LOT more power

imo find like 4 coal nodes next to water, make 32 gens, when you get mk3 belts, 64 gens

[oak delta]

Does it help to have more than one locomotive on a train at once in this game or no

[dense violet]

it can help acceleration yes

but that's generally not a big deal

[oak delta]

Okay I was wondering because I didn't notice it helping much on the hill that one of my train tracks is on and I was wondering if it's just faster and I'm not noticing it or what

[raven grotto]

pure coal i assume or normal

[oak delta]

120 coal can fuel eight generators so I do believe his math is for a pure node

[dense violet]

either works, overclock the nodes

[sleek cape]

Just finished 1000 smart plates for phase 2. Should I keep producing them (will I use them again later) or reconfigure the factory

[oak delta]

Keep them their use for modular engines

[dense violet]

from memory mk2 miners on a normal node can easily output 240 coal

[oak delta]

You need 500 of them for the next phase

[worn oar]

Keep producing, and if they're in the way move them elsewhere

[sleek cape]

It's my first factory, it's a mess and not optimized at all. I'll just load up a crate with them as I'm probably gonna move on from this spot. Will leave it be then

[worn oar]

Mess and not optimized is PERFECTLY FINE AND NORMAL. Please do not worry.

[raven grotto]

ok good to know i think i might log off for tonight as ive been playing for over... 9... hours... with lik an hour off and do that tmr

[dense violet]

thats normal, treat the milestones like a tutorial

[worn oar]

There is more than enough resources for the most horrendous unoptimized mess to finish the game.

[sleek cape]

Looks like shite. All built on grass and wonky af. Just finished my coal factory though and it's chefs kiss

Perfectly symmetrical, perfectly aligned number I love it

Numbers*

[raven grotto]

almost an hour n half away from a full days worth on my save though 🔥

[dense violet]

most people tend to rebuild everything after they have automated power set up. It changes everything

[raven grotto]

thats what I did

I moved to the desert as well

[sleek cape]

I did two rows of 4 coal generators for 2 mines... one row didn't fill with water at the same speed as the other (both using symmetrical manifolds)

[worn oar]

#screenshots message this is my factory right now. Looks worse than yours, I guarantee it.

[sleek cape]

Don't quite understand how water splitting works. Is it not evenly distributed like conveyer splitters?

[dense violet]

layout and headlift is important.
post overhead images in #math-and-meta if you want some help with it

[raven grotto]

makin me-a hungray chef!

[sleek cape]

It's near perfect symmetry with nearly no headlift at all

[dense violet]

still layout is important. P for photomode to get over head images

it wastes so much energy and time trying to diagnose pipes w/o images

[sleek cape]

Im on console ill take an image with my phone

Sec gotta run back to it lol

[dense violet]

photomode will still help get the angle 🙂

[sleek cape]

Where do i put the image

[dense violet]

#math-and-meta is prob most convenient

its unlikely a complicated problem

[oak delta]

You know it's kind of like one of the problems about making adaptive control units is you need a hundred of them as it's the only make 2.5 a minute it's going to take forever to make them all so I'm going to just go watch YouTube

[sleek cape]

If i deconstruct my space station when it's loaded with things, are those things in it still when I rebuild?

[worn oar]

2.5/minute is plenty to finish the game

[dense violet]

probably? either that or it goes into your inventory

[oak delta]

Well yes but this is not going to be permanent I'm going to tear this entire thing down and then I'm going to build a super large power factory down in the South which I've been able to do for some time and then I'm going to build a nice looking base and I'm actually not going to have some giant modular factory being a 50x50 sitting over a giant ocean wasting my time because it's more confusing than not

[fiery pewter]

#satisfactory-memes message why have I never thought of this 😭

[latent prawn]

i just completed phase 3 on 6/min with 100x elevator cost; took about a day to make the delivery with that as the long pole

[cursive crane]

Another strat is to just make it a blueprint

Cage you can just plop down

But at that point idk why you dont just turn aggression off

[sour cargo]

it can be pretty helpful against big spiders 🙃

MFs love to jump from across the map >.>

[boreal badger]

Idk if I'm reading into it too much but dkd anyone else notice that the rail supports in the 1.2 announcement seem to be level? Could mean something

[latent prawn]

that can be done by snapping pillars to the underside of the rails after building them on foundation & removing the foundation

[leaden turret]

-# @obsidian zodiac June 2, aka July

[west zinc]

is there a way to lock the curser in the middle of the screen when in satifactory?

[spice patio]

Not in Vanilla.
Unreal Engine only locks it to the window.

[leaden turret]

what problem are you trying to solve where the solution would be cursor locking?

[west zinc]

it just keeps moving and i want it to lock in the middle of screen and ive tried going from window to full to window full i usely play on window fullscreen

[leaden turret]

ah, the multi-monitor problem?

[leaden turret]

would using a controller be too cumbersome?

[west zinc]

kinda cuz i have drift on my controller and sometimes it just moves left for no reason

[spice patio]

Should still be locked to the game window.
So only issues would be some overlay or other window on top of the game window reacting to the cursor.

[unkempt blade]

this is exactly why we need a Switch release

[west zinc]

i dont think so bud

[unkempt blade]

that's ok, I still love you even if you have bad takes on satisfactory-for-switch

[west zinc]

doesnt the switch have less stuff then an xbox or a playstastion?

[leaden turret]

nintendo reserves the right to brick your console if they decide they don't like you

[west zinc]

i spilled monster on my nintendo controller lol

[unkempt blade]

that seems smart, I've met a lot of console players and most of them deserve it

[leaden turret]

-# I spilled cidre on my apple keyboard

me: ooh, shiny, buys shiny keyboard
also me, two weeks later: whoops

so now somewhere in a storage box is a very fancy usb hub

the only positive of a switch release of Satisfactory would be the possibility of the Pioneer appearing in Smash going from zero to non-zero

[west zinc]

i have used the same mouse and screen for 5+ years lol

:p

[leaden turret]

I bulk bought a box of something like 20-30 amazon mice cos I kept breaking them.

then immediately stopped breaking them.

[ivory bluff]

I got surprised by a giant one in the red forest. I aggro'd it but I was on the other side of a canyon. I thought I was safe. Oh boy was I mistaken.
I litteraly yelled out loud. Directly into my mic. And not a manly yell, nooooo.
My friends are still making fun of me to this day.

[unkempt blade]

oh yeah? well I still use a trackball from 1997

[west zinc]

lovely

i still have my old iphone 2

and i belive i have the old minecraft pocket edition

[pearl summit]

Hello
I am not very good with satisfactory
But recently unlocked trains
What u guys usually use trains for? They seem kinda a hassle to put together

[west zinc]

u run over ur self with it

[pearl summit]

I guess thats a joke

[west zinc]

i mean ingame so not irl

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> please make a mental note that if y'all work with Nintendo to add Pioneer to Smash that is a move

[west zinc]

use hyper tubes they are fun to use and easy to setup

[pearl summit]

Yes i love hyper tubes

[west zinc]

me 2

[pearl summit]

Just trying to figure out purpose of trains 😅 i guess i would use them for transport
Like
Transporting resources
But i already use tractors for that

[west zinc]

hey @leaden turret can u tell me why when i use windowed mode my task bar dont show up?

[leaden turret]

windows 10?

[west zinc]

11

[leaden turret]

taskbar settings > taskbar behaviours > automatically hide the taskbar

[normal orbit]

using windowed full screen over windowed?

[west zinc]

that is turned off

but the mouse still moves

[wind bluff]

will putting powershards in the factory cart make it faster?

[west zinc]

yes but it will also drain more power aswell

[wind bluff]

it has power??/

[west zinc]

no the shard drains more power for producin the item u wanna create

i can also be wrong

[ivory bluff]

I gather I could set up trains soon... Not quite sure I'm there yet.

[wind bluff]

i mean the factory cart from the sink shop

[west zinc]

oh yeah no im sorry i missread ur message lol no u cant put shards into any cars

[reef basin]

no

[wind bluff]

:(

[fiery pewter]

Train is for large distances

Higher speed, higher throughput

Unpackaged liquids (until june 2nd)

[pearl summit]

Oh so if i wanna deliver coal to better water source for coal power generator
I use train

[ivory bluff]

I guess one can/should make make a circle around the map.

[reef basin]

every transportation method in this game has some purpose

however technically you don't need any of them and can just use belts everywhere. As with many other things, the choice is yours, you're given tools and its up to you how you use them

[fiery pewter]

Basically yeah

[reef basin]

no, you build coal gens near water

[pearl summit]

Ph i hate long conveyor belts
I use tractors instead
When coal is available

[ivory bluff]

At this point I gather you should use oil generators.
Though you could make a road/train line to bring condensed coal, for turbo-oil.

[pearl summit]

Oh i dont have oil power yet
It freaks me out 😅

Those pil machinerys make thing into two things and u u have to use em both or it clogs

[ivory bluff]

Oh it's rather simple actually. You do need to handle the biproducts, but it isn't that complicated

[fiery pewter]

Just wait until aluminum

[reef basin]

wdym by this

[pearl summit]

Also i cant rly figure out manifacturar however u spell that
Thats a beast

[ivory bluff]

You do need space. Oil really require a lot of room to handle it. Good thing is oil is (as far as I can tell) mostly in areas where you can build freely.

[reef basin]

we have sinks 🙂

[fiery pewter]

1.2?!?

Fluid trucks

[pearl summit]

HOLY SHIT
I FORGOT ABT EM

[ivory bluff]

When in doubt: AWESOME destroyer

[reef basin]

how does that change trains?

[pearl summit]

Omg
Its basically a trash can

[ivory bluff]

That unlocks cool stuff 😎

[pearl summit]

If it makes smth i dont need or have purpose for
Just put it in the trash

[reef basin]

why do so many people spell byproduct as biproduct

[fiery pewter]

Then trains won't be the only vehicle that can transport unpackaged fluids

[pearl summit]

Ya :D.
I liked ladder

[reef basin]

ah 🤷

[fiery pewter]

Also the fluid cars will get bigger

[reef basin]

they are already big tbh

[fiery pewter]

Yeah but iirc it'll go to 2400

[pearl summit]

I tbh rly love tractors
They are my fav (so far) thingie in game
I have many routes setted up and makes foundry management much more menagable

[ivory bluff]

Simple spelling error on my part. English isn't my native langage, my bad, I make mistakes every now and then 🥲

[reef basin]

it's not hate or anything, it's just pure curiosity, because I've seen that happen a lot (this exact misspell)

[ivory bluff]

Simple to set up and pretty efficient. Trucks can be a bit too big.

[pearl summit]

Yes!

Like here is this spot in my map
Where iron is up hill
And cowl is in a pit basically
And i just made tractor transport iron to coal
Its very fast
Faster than conveyor belt

[ivory bluff]

But yeah: short circuits, tractors. Loooong circuits: trucks (or multiple tractors, that works too). Extra long circuits: train it is.

[pearl summit]

Ok!

[ivory bluff]

But overall you do what you like 😊

[fiery pewter]

Cross map: drones

[ivory bluff]

Also that. I haven't unlocked them yet.

[west zinc]

dumb question but how do i turn on flashlight on ps5 controller? cuz i dont see it on my thing or do i need to put it on a button my self

[pearl summit]

I alsp recently made best design for biofuel generators ever
I out leaves and wood into box
And it gets turned into the solid biofuel
And just puts em in generator

I did some MAM with yellow ore

[fiery pewter]

Have you asked #satisfactory-consoles already?

[fiery pewter]

Sulfur?

[west zinc]

im playing on pc

with ps5 controller

[fiery pewter]

Huh

[pearl summit]

Nono
Not sulfur
Sulfur is for bombs
The C one hdjddjdj
Electric one

[fiery pewter]

Hybrids exist too ig