satisfactory

[glass turtle]

I just got the || dimensional depot and manual dimensional depot|| - how do i actually use the manual one?

oh. Okay, i only see it the moment i already have at least something in it

[fluid sapphire]

manual?

[glass turtle]

||Manual depot uploader||

[earnest condor]

"From Inventory"

[reef basin]

you... upload from inventory 🙂

[glass turtle]

Yes. That possibility doesnt show up in my inventory until i put something in it through the building

[fluid sapphire]

isnt there an in-game description to explain it?

[glass turtle]

Kinda, but the issue is it simply doesnt show up until theres something in it

Now its obvious where to drag stuff to and such

[fluid sapphire]

i guess if you unlock these things at the same time it could be confusing

i remember i couldnt keep my grubby hands from immediately trying it out the second i got enough spheres to unlock the tech

[glass turtle]

It might in fact not be possible to upload something from your inventory unless the depot has already been opened by an actual depot

[fluid sapphire]

i dont see it as a big issue, its not that huge a leap to stumble upon it

[simple pebble]

Yeah that does seem to be the case, and it's a little annoying

[bitter lodge]

One thing to constantly depot...concrete.

[undone yarrow]

One thing to depot with like 5 depots: concrete

[zenith pecan]

Or more if you build like a madman.

[undone yarrow]

there's like 500 spare mercer spheres after upgrades, 400 of them are for concrete

[earnest condor]

Computers and HMFs.
I need my materials for the amount of poggers I place. 😁

[earnest condor]

Some of the people in #design-and-architecture probably have like 8 dedicated to Quartz Crystal.

[fresh crystal]

do splitters and mergers have a speed limit

[fluid sapphire]

Nope

[fresh crystal]

ty

[naive palm]

Do splitters and mergers have sentience? It has to be pretty lonely just sending things left right or forward all day...

[next ivy]

only the smart ones

i sort therefore i am

[zenith pecan]

Concrete is the only one I have multiple depots for, at a dedicated and isolated wet concrete factory.

[naive palm]

"What's my purpose in life?"

You send excess plastic and rubber to the sink
"Oh dear god..."

[earnest condor]

Splitter speed is restricted by the input belt.
Merger speed is restricted by the output belt.

[fluid sapphire]

that has little to do with the splitters and mergers themselves though

[median barn]

So I’m having issues on knowing how I should “scale” my factories. I know that’s pretty vague but I’m not quite sure how to word what I’m wondering… idk how to “target X-output” for the different items and such. I’m on my first play through and just unlocked aluminum(not set up yet) but I’m just currently setting up farms with a container attached to the cloud and letting things sorta slow roll as I mill around.

Is there any advice on how I could/should be scaling my factories from “absolute scrub” to “at least somewhat competent planner”? Lol

[bitter lodge]

what are you using to plan your factories?

pen and paper, satisfactory tools, etc?

[earnest condor]

Pick your targets and solve backwards.

How to decide on a number? Well... if I may quote The Big Bang Theory:
"The same way you make any decision. You think about it with your brain, then you say it with your mouth."

I make 45 Turbo Motors/min.
Why? -> because I like the number 🤷‍♂️ There's no incorrect answer here.

[median barn]

My brain and I really only definitively set up my turbo fuel generator farm up… everything else is just loosely “I need these parts, maybe make an extra constructor because so many of y-part is needed”. I tried understanding the Satisfactory Tools thing but translating it is still kinda foreign to me. I’m not sure how to split off the counts it wants without just (sometimes severely) underclocking and gobbling up a node

[bitter lodge]

so your issue is not knowing how much to make of each thing?

[median barn]

200%

[earnest condor]

Yes that's something you just have to pick.

And again, no wrong answer.

[viral tendon]

Making motor production is genuinely worse than any pain or suffering

[earnest condor]

I can give you the ability to 1-click it if you want the blueprint.
300 iron = 5.4 motor.
Simple.

[viral tendon]

Yeah bro i don't have the alternates

[bitter lodge]

well. the way I tend to decide is ponder a couple of questions. (Mainly my factories are used to produce things that in the end will go into the dimensional depot)
How much of this item do I need to make things? like miners, foundations, machines etc.
How much resources am I willing to pull into this factory?

[median barn]

I’ve got the first few elevator parts on slow farm, but I also don’t really know the map very well… so probably once I have a higher understanding of the map and various rarities of the nodes, I’ll be better able to assign stuff to build in my next run.

[earnest condor]

1. We aren't related.
2. 😭 alt recipes make things so much easier.

[bitter lodge]

You also don't need to make 500/min of everything....

[viral tendon]

"We aren't related" sonion

[bitter lodge]

Like I got a factory making 5/min of turbo motors ._.

[viral tendon]

Bro is not literal

[bitter lodge]

where my steel factory is making like 200/min of items

[median barn]

Yeah all of my production gets fed into the cloud, the rest gets sunk. Refills if it’s less than full because of smart splitters then back into the cloud

[viral tendon]

Also i don't even have a motor production do you think i have 7 specific alts for motor production?

[bitter lodge]

I’m not sure how to split off the counts it wants without just (sometimes severely) underclocking and gobbling up a node
When you gotta underclock a machine, its best to manifold system it. Not try to load balance it.

[earnest condor]

3?

[bitter lodge]

I think people really need to take a step back and realize there is no "right" way to make a factory. its however you want, and it can produce whatever you want as well.

[viral tendon]

Well do you think i have 3 specific alts for motor production if i don't have a motor production which also means that i didn't even start completing phase 3

[earnest condor]

I mean.. if you're using splitters..

There is a right way.
-# There is also a left way and a straight way. 😏

[bitter lodge]

SMMHH

[median barn]

Alt recipes aren’t fun to hunt and subsequently figure out their odd numbers(making like 3.85 of a product is a lot more annoying than 5 of x turns into 3 of y)

[earnest condor]

Iron Wire and Iron Pipe are not specific to motors because they are good in many other lines.

Steel Rotor is the only "specific" one.

[earnest condor]

Exploration is fun AF. 🤔

[bitter lodge]

OH

[dense violet]

how are their numbers odd?
it's just a rate per minute

you have full control of the rates by clocking things

[white dawn]

It's only the "per-minute" numbers which end up with decimals. The actual resource counts in the recipes are always nice whole numbers. :)

[bitter lodge]

Sev you reminded me I wanted rocket fuel for exploring lmao

[median barn]

Er, but in “satellite factories” it’s hard to split off. And I guess that’s what I’m doing since it’s my first playthrough

[viral tendon]

Only you

[earnest condor]

Odd way to spell Ionized 😏

[white dawn]

And you're gonna end up with lots of decimal per-minute rates no matter what you do by the end of the game. :)

[bitter lodge]

what factory?

[dense violet]

just clock yoru machines to send what you need

[bitter lodge]

jokes on you. I can't even make it yet.

[dense violet]

do you know about clocking?

[earnest condor]

Yes, they did an entire update specific to exploration because I am the sole person who enjoys playing the game.. 🤔

[median barn]

Naw I actually enjoy exploration as well. Once you get comfortable with the scanner thing it’s quite fun

[viral tendon]

Oh my GOD why do you take everything literally 😭

[fluid sapphire]

you can actually end up with only a small handful but its much trickier to get those kinds of numbers

[earnest condor]

I can read what you say.
If what you say does not line up with what you mean, that is on your end of the communication.

[bitter lodge]

until you run out of mercer spheres to get :<

[viral tendon]

Are you like 30

[fluid sapphire]

thats just how the cookie crumbles

[earnest condor]

?

[dense violet]

it's not worth engaging Sev

[earnest condor]

👍

[fluid sapphire]

(warning> no real cookies involved)

[median barn]

Currently I’m just talking about overall. So my initial was the low tier mats like plates, screws, rods, reinforced plates… then my next area is steel stuff, my other one is oil related stuff that I haven’t fully set up all the subsequent parts(I have the plastic and rubber easy, but haven’t automated circuit boards and AI limiters)

[viral tendon]

I guess

[earnest condor]

Actually going to go get oreos. Thank you for the inspiration.

[bitter lodge]

Why not automate them?

[viral tendon]

You sound like you are that is why i asked

[median barn]

Live. Laugh. Consume

[bitter lodge]

Nothing says you have automate steel stuff in one factory, then drag it to the next factory? You can simply remake that steel stuff in the next factory but don't save any of it. use it all in making whatever you want end wise of that factory

[median barn]

I… do? Minus those couple things for now. It’s a process :P you know that though

[bitter lodge]

though drones....

[viral tendon]

Running out of mercer spheres to collect is quite an achievement

[bitter lodge]

now I got drones....I may just expand some old factories and drone some complex crafts to a factory

[bitter lodge]

it sucks-

[median barn]

I haven’t messed with transporting yet… trucks, monorail, or drones(JUST unlocked)

[bitter lodge]

I am limited on dim depots now

[viral tendon]

How do you run out of dim depots how tf

[median barn]

Those logistics make me nervous lol

[bitter lodge]

I haven't yet.

but I expect to eventually.

[viral tendon]

Wow

[bitter lodge]

ignore trucks lowkey.
trains and drones are awesome.

trucks will be amazing in 1.2 though

[viral tendon]

Satisfactory players love this game too much

[dense violet]

trucks are fine now, you just need to actually plan your factories for them

[viral tendon]

I could never imagine making myself go through collecting everything on the map

[median barn]

I hear trucks are great for like… super low travel loops but their actual pathing is wonky af

[fluid sapphire]

you do it piecemeal, like everything else, its not an all-in-one project

[bitter lodge]

that is my issue

I could never have the patience for setting them up as is now.

[median barn]

Honestly it’s fantastic and I only have like 150-ish hours

[viral tendon]

I have 600 hours and the only thing i've done and beat the game and collect 50 somersloops

[median barn]

Only 50?

[viral tendon]

Maybe 51

[median barn]

That’s only like half the sloops

[earnest condor]

Trucks my beloved.

[viral tendon]

Funny thing is i got the echievement cuz i collected one on another safe file

So i didn't even collect 50 on one safe file

I got a funny thing where i completed phase 5 of the space elevator before completing phase 1

Holy shit the gap between completing phase 4 and 5 is only 8 days

[median barn]

Uh… how…? Shouldn’t that be like not possible unless you joined another save?

[viral tendon]

I was locked in

[viral tendon]

It's because they added achievements after i completed phase 1

[median barn]

Ahh

[bitter lodge]

1.2 trucks will be fun to try.

[earnest condor]

They are indeed good.

[viral tendon]

I still don't have the complete the onboadring process achievement

[fluid sapphire]

the time to start setting up trucks is now, then all you will need to do when 1.2 hits stable is redo the pathing, ez

[dense violet]

apparently the pathing translates? at least 1 person has said that

[viral tendon]

What for

[fluid sapphire]

wym

[viral tendon]

Like setting up trucks for what

[mild mango]

Where is the new players guide channel :((

[fluid sapphire]

whatever you want my guy

if you have interest in trucks, its as good a time as any to get into using them

[fluid sapphire]

i thought old paths were going to keep operating as they do, until remade

[viral tendon]

No but like what would you use them for?

Never in my 600 hours i've found a use for them

[earnest condor]

Not all of it.

All of my truck elevators broke instantly.

[bitter lodge]

trucks would be fun for just seeing them go brrrr

other than that, I am not trying to actually make use of them

[fluid sapphire]

so far i use them for transport inside a biome, like getting raw goods from one location to another a few hundred meters away. or hauling raw goods to a train station in the same biome to be shipped further out

[dense violet]

perfect xD

[mild mango]

Can I really only automate like 3 products with biomass burner I can only connect 4 things to it before fuse blows if I connect a pole to a pole (very new here like 1 hour new)

[earnest condor]

Casualization limits creativity 😭

[viral tendon]

That makes sense

[fluid sapphire]

its fun to see them drive around

adds more life, just like other vehicles

[earnest chasm]

What is the best way of solving train troughput issues?
Node=1200 by the time train goes to destionation and bact to pick up station my machines that only need 800 are already starving

[dense violet]

I'm sad about the jump pads as well

[bitter lodge]

gotta make more-

[dense violet]

more cars or more trains or both

[fluid sapphire]

also buffer your freight platforms

[bitter lodge]

add buffers each end, let them fill

[dense violet]

first figure out the total travel time. Honk to Honk
also buffer them as mentioned

but with the total travel time you know how fast your cars will fill

[mild mango]

I can only have 1 hub ;-; how

[fluid sapphire]

you dont really need more than one

[bitter lodge]

you can make biomass burners?

[mild mango]

Im running out of connection lines though can only have 4

[fluid sapphire]

you can string poles together ad infinitum

[mild mango]

Oh yeah I did do that but the fuse blows

[fluid sapphire]

thats nothing to do with the poles, you are not producing enough power

build more biomass burners

[mild mango]

Oh but how? I dont see it int he build tab

[bitter lodge]

build biomass burners. Connect them together. Place a storage bin, fill it with grass/wood. Export stuff into burneres?

[mild mango]

Im tier 0 hub 5

Idk if thats some mid game stuff

[dense violet]

you might need tier 1.

[bitter lodge]

you gotta handcraft still-

Start of the game is mainly hand crafting.....

[mild mango]

Ohh okay, I was treating it like factorio automating everything at the beginning

[bitter lodge]

No.

[fluid sapphire]

slow your roll grasshopper

try to get through the first steps of the tutorial first

the early game is a bit weird like that, a lot more manual labor compared to what you do later

[mild mango]

I see, but I can have 1000 machines automating stuff for me right? No limitations with the hub connections?

[fluid sapphire]

you wont be using the hub for power too long

[dense violet]

ther tiers and milestones are basically a long tutorial to a sand box game after you unlock everything
tier 0 is the pre tutorial

[mild mango]

Ohhh

[bitter lodge]

HELL NO

[fluid sapphire]

make it multiple thousands

but not until later

[bitter lodge]

wait. Ya you can have as many machines as you want. just your hub biomass burners are very...limited.

[mild mango]

Alr ill just get through with tier 0 I need to craft 50 cables and a bunch of iron rods + concrete

[bitter lodge]

ya, hand craft it.

[dense violet]

honestly 0-2 are a pretutorial, you get automated power at tier 3

auto power really changes things

[bitter lodge]

coal power the precious

the hoverpack is the biggest game changer

[mild mango]

I can automate up to iron rods and copper wires

Guess the rest is just manual labor

[fluid sapphire]

i remember when the friend who introduced me to the game asked me

"so how many coal generators do you think you should make?"

and i was like "uhhh, idk like 3?"

he was like "make 8 😎 "

and i was like "🤯 "

[bitter lodge]

for now.

and it turns out you can make so many with a single coal node

[fluid sapphire]

i remember that day like it was yesterday

[naive palm]

Three is a good answer. three gens + some batteries is enough to tech up to oil power.

[mild mango]

Is it just me or leaves burn faster with more things connected to my biomass burner?

Or do they not change

[bitter lodge]

no change.

[bitter crow]

should i make a great frame factory?

[frozen ingot]

should do i think cos biomass burners scale with power demand

[bitter crow]

like the boxy ones

[bitter lodge]

what is great frame?

modular frames?

[bitter crow]

yes and all its children

[frozen ingot]

modular -> heavy -> fused 😄

[naive palm]

The most important frame in Satisfactory is your frame of mind

[bitter lodge]

ya. you are gonna need a lot...

[mortal ginkgo]

Guys a silly question, are NON-clean pipes dont have indicators when in a BP?

They look like the clean versions even when I put the ones with indicators

Am I being a goober? Am I being DOMB?

[bitter lodge]

place the bp down and see what happens

[fluid sapphire]

the hologram?

[mortal ginkgo]

and the builded one too, they dont have that "flow indicator extra"

[bitter crow]

so should i build one? and if so, how many would you all approximate i will need?

[naive palm]

There is no dumb. Only ignorance and enlightenment. By being willing to admit the former, you are already on the path to the latter.

[bitter lodge]

1000/min of each

[south lion]

Yes

[bitter crow]

..

[south lion]

1 billion per second

At least

[mortal ginkgo]

Bro I am an impure limestone node as name implies, I aint that deep bro. Bro. Broooow

[bitter lodge]

you asked, I answered.

[earnest condor]

90/min for FMF
135/min for HMF

[mortal ginkgo]

you were correct, in blueprint, they dont have the hologram

[bitter crow]

ill use this as a premature approximation, thanks!

[fluid sapphire]

no one can tell you this, i made 18 HMF/min and thats already more than most people probably make

[bitter lodge]

135 HMF!?

[earnest condor]

People tend to frown on men doing things prematurely... just fyi

[mild mango]

Yoo just finished tier 0 upgrade 5 apparently uprade 6 gives biomass burners

[earnest condor]

Yes. 45 to storage, 90 to go make the FMFs.

[bitter lodge]

I am making like 5 fmf/min...

[frozen ingot]

no idea which milestone gives you bio burners, hah 😄

[bitter crow]

i aint making 135 a minute

[frozen ingot]

10/min of 98% of parts is a reasonable goal i think

there's no real answer, diff folks have diff playstyles etc etc

[bitter crow]

yup i just realised how awful my wording was

[earnest condor]

Then stop asking other people how much and make your own decision? 🤔

[bitter crow]

80 gw 😭

[earnest condor]

My temp amount in Phase 3 and my permanent amount later on are very different numbers.

[earnest condor]

Is... nothing.

Power should never be a factor in any decision you make.

[naive palm]

10/min plates - probably not enough
10/min HMF - probably plenty
10/min ballistic warp drive - wowee

[bitter crow]

right

[fluid sapphire]

10 HMF/FMF is definitely enough to comfortably finish the game

[bitter lodge]

ya ima scale my shit up later.

[earnest condor]

Given how easy it is to get to 1 TW now, 80 GW is small.

[bitter crow]

i have now analyzed statistics

[earnest condor]

My current Phase 3 temp build is 18.75

[bitter lodge]

Ace, what tier are you in?

[bitter crow]

i am gonna want about 4 fmf a minute for personal use

[bitter crow]

4

[bitter lodge]

I think mine is at 15?

[mortal ginkgo]

holy hell

[bitter lodge]

and its all for personal use

[frozen ingot]

i'm sure they're just gathering information and asking out of curiosity, this kind of response is just kinda harsh i think

[earnest condor]

Tier 4 is pre-oil and you're planning FMFs?

[bitter crow]

TIER

oh sorry

[bitter lodge]

[bitter crow]

8

[frozen ingot]

no need to shout, homie 😛

[earnest condor]

Yes. I need it for my poggers. Gotta set up Computers first though.

[fluid sapphire]

you dont need anywhere near 4 FMF for "personal" use

[bitter lodge]

[bitter crow]

10 for miners

[earnest condor]

Inb4 they add rate-limit splitters that cost FMFs and Supers

[bitter lodge]

Huh

[bitter crow]

20 for particle accelerators

[bitter lodge]

mk3 minrs take fmf?

[bitter crow]

you need 10 fmf for a miner mk.3

[bitter lodge]

oh ya. I see that now.

[fluid sapphire]

ok, but you are not plopping those down every 5 minutes

[bitter lodge]

I made a factory to make mk3 miners...and I forgot what the hell it produces...it hasn't even been 12 hours

[bitter crow]

20 for particle accelerators

[mild mango]

Oh I just realized I gained another biomass burner when I upgraded my hub

[fluid sapphire]

ok? again, you are not building them often enough to need 4/min

[bitter lodge]

make like 10 more.

[bitter crow]

2/min maybe then?

[fluid sapphire]

probably fine

[bitter lodge]

ace.

[fluid sapphire]

if you have a large storage for them, very little is fine

[bitter lodge]

may I suggest a factory build?

[bitter crow]

folk what is a factory build

[bitter lodge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=LGsa9MSrzM3GjqqwuQ8g

this.

[bitter crow]

right

[bitter lodge]

I did some recipe selection to avoid refineries. Plus it takes very litte resource amounts for what I would say is a good output.

[bitter crow]

i mean it looks pretty good

[bitter lodge]

More than welcome to use it, or ignore it entirely.

[earnest condor]

Avoiding Refineries is a priority to many people 😁

[fluid sapphire]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=aTHJ0exQQ1l9N9GvxXGI

[mild mango]

Do splitters exist here? Like splitting 1 belt of iron ingots to turn them into plates and rods

[bitter lodge]

I enjoy them. but I made a factory with over 200, then another that has about 100...so I am like not wanting to touch them for a minute.

[bitter lodge]

yes, logistics unlock.

[earnest condor]

Yes. Just play the game. You're on the correct path and what you want is coming.

[earnest condor]

200? Surely you mean 80 @ 2.5? 😭

[mild mango]

Nicee I love splitters

[bitter lodge]

I don't got that many shards >.>

nor can I make shards >.>

[earnest condor]

Shards are infinite 😭

Do a lap around the map for slugs and somer them 😭

[bitter lodge]

ya you right my bad for not being able to craft them.

[bitter lodge]

I got 0 slugs...

[bitter crow]

i will need to unlock certain things until i can use your factories

[bitter lodge]

they all been consumed. I am banking on doggos to give me slugs

[bitter lodge]

oh ya...

I got some alt recipes in there you don't get until you unlock the motors themself...

[bitter crow]

i am gonna work towards making a rcu factory today, and then i might start tomorrow

[viral tendon]

Is it wrong to think that shards automation is waaaay too late into the game

[bitter crow]

i got my backup now

[white dawn]

You can get something like 5k shards (with slooping) just from the slugs on the map; IMO the positioning is fine

[earnest condor]

You already used 3k shards before Phase 5? 👀

[bitter lodge]

damn near

[earnest condor]

Girrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrllll

[glass turtle]

Huh. I should make biofuel, eh?

[bitter lodge]

I like really big factories....

[glass turtle]

For my jetpack

[bitter lodge]

then realize oh fuck...I need to scale this down mid building

[fluid sapphire]

well, they could be even bigger without shards 🤷

[earnest condor]

Phase 3 you want to use either LBF or Turbo, yes.

[bitter lodge]

there is a thing such as to big

[glass turtle]

I dont know if i could make turbo yet, missing some things to unlock iirc

So i dont know the recipe

[viral tendon]

That involves too much exploriing

[earnest condor]

It's in the sulfur tree of the MAM.

[viral tendon]

If you collect 5k shards even with sloops that would take more time than making the damn factory

[glass turtle]

I know

[earnest condor]

Given I can get all slugs in probably 2 days and some of my factories take months... no, it would not take more time.

[bitter crow]

am i gonna need pressure conversion cubes for anything else than nuclear pasta?

[viral tendon]

We do not count past 5th phase factories brodie

[fluid sapphire]

shards are not essential for anything other than resource extractors

[earnest condor]

We are still not related.

[glass turtle]

That doesnt show, however, what id need to make it once it is unlocked. But even so, i dont have empty fluid tanks and cant make them yet, so...

[viral tendon]

How is that even related to my message

[fluid sapphire]

you dont need empty fluid tanks for turbofuel

[glass turtle]

Oh, wait, turbo

[earnest condor]

Yes.

[viral tendon]

Yeah alright just keep ignoring my messages whatever

[glass turtle]

Yeah i can make that. But i think biofuel outperforms that by some metrics still, main downside it can be automated

[bitter lodge]

i hate these fuck ass spiders .-.

just let me build in peace, now i gotta make my way back across the map

[viral tendon]

The humble passive option in the options

[fluid sapphire]

peaceful mode, its literally right there in options

[earnest condor]

Yeah, that is the choice to make.
LBF and Turbo are both better than regular Fuel.
LBF being the "best" option in that phase, but Turbo can be fully automated.

[bitter crow]

1 turbo motor/minute for industrial use, and 0.875 for personal use?

[earnest condor]

45/min 😏

[bitter crow]

sounds good innit?

gen WHEN are you gonna need 45 a minute gng

[glass turtle]

Oil is really far away from coal though i think

[earnest condor]

I don't need 1/min 🤷‍♂️

[earnest condor]

Trucks!

[viral tendon]

The humble conveyor belt through the entire map

[fluid sapphire]

i made 3.75 total myself, with 3 for further processing and 0.75 for personal use

[bitter crow]

so 3 thenral propulsion rockets/minute?

[fluid sapphire]

dont have my planner near, my target was 1 of each phase 5 part

[glass turtle]

Yeah, that is true

[haughty ember]

Hello everyone

[bitter crow]

hello agni!

[bitter lodge]

anyone got a modular blender bp...?

[haughty ember]

Hi, I have a question, if I want to play multiplayer and want to host one. Does it means that I need to run satisfactory for other people to join? Or they can join the world at anytime even when I'm offline?

[bitter crow]

1.875/minute for turbo motors

[bitter lodge]

you have to be hosting

[hollow mountain]

guys is there a place i can download great blueprint?

[bitter lodge]

unless you use a third party provider.

[earnest condor]

Great is a point of view, Anakin.

[fluid sapphire]

#dedicated-servers

[haughty ember]

Okay so basically I need to be online and inside the game for others to join the world yes?

[placid stirrup]

They had far better factories than me... And not just the men. The women, and children too

[placid stirrup]

SCIM

[mild mango]

Do leaves regrow here?

[white dawn]

There's two ways to do multiplayer: with a dedicated server, or without. On a dedicated server, you actually run the server software somewhere and then folks can connect whenever they like (so long as that server's running). If you don't want to run your own, there's third-party places you can pay to host them for you. But without a dedicated server, folks can still do multiplayer by joining each other's games. In those cases, yes, whoever's "hosting" has to be actively running the game at the time. :)

[earnest condor]

Nope.

[white dawn]

Nope! The only foliage that respawns is nuts + berries, assuming that the plant itself wasn't destroyed

[mild mango]

Oh

[glass turtle]

Is a train ever worth it? The wiki suggests the throughput as ultimately limited by the belt feeding it, but is that one belt per waggon or...

[earnest condor]

Compared to what?

[white dawn]

Which amusingly makes (for instance) coal the more "renewable" resource in the game. :D

[haughty ember]

Thank you for the detailed and easy to understand answer. I got it now.

[glass turtle]

Belts across the map

[viral tendon]

Train is good for transportation of yourself and not resources

[earnest condor]

Belts beat everything. Full stop.

Switching to vehicles is a choice.

[glass turtle]

Dont we have the hypertube for that?

[white dawn]

All of the logistics options in the game (belts+pipes/vehicles/trains/drones) are great options which are well-worth investigating and learning. They all have niches in which they shine

[viral tendon]

Aren't trains faster than hypertubes?

[white dawn]

And yes, a single freight car will have a max throughput, given a particular route, but you can always just add more freight cars to the train if you need more throughput than that

[earnest condor]

So if you care only about throughput and do not mind belting the entire map, you have no reason to use anything aside from belts/pipes. @glass turtle

[white dawn]

Any of the logistics options can be built out to support whatever throughput of material you need

[earnest condor]

Hypercannon can cross the map in under 5s.

[viral tendon]

Whatever

[white dawn]

The biggest advantage in particular for trains is re-use of existing rail infrastructure. It's a nontrivial amount of work to build up a good rail network, but the more you invest, the better it gets

[earnest condor]

So "no, trains are not faster."

[glass turtle]

I dont think so. But even if they were, trains are way more setup. Hypertube i just have to figure out how they work again and i just need to blueprint a cannon and plop it down whenever i want to go somewhere

[viral tendon]

Of course you only respond to me when you're right in something

[white dawn]

You slap down one bit of rail for a single route early in the game, and then by the end of the game that same bit of rail could be carrying traffic from dozens of routes. The throughput potential of the rail itself is frankly staggering

[viral tendon]

I mean i guess

[white dawn]

That assumes, of course, that you're willing to use hypertube cannons as transit. :D I much prefer passenger rail, personally

[earnest condor]

@glass turtle genuinely, from what you are saying, you personally do not have any use for trains.
And that's a completely valid and good way to play the game.

[fluid sapphire]

yeah you dont build rail for player transport, you build it to transport goods, player transport is a bonus on top

[white dawn]

Just construct a passenger train, hop in, set the destination, and enjoy the scenery. That does, of course, rely on having built out your rail network as you go, so that anywhere you'd want to go has a station you can use as your destination

[viral tendon]

I like trains beacuse they have stops

[white dawn]

But I don't like the immersion-breaking of hypertube cannons, and prefer to stay within the bounds that the developers "intend" for the game. :D (I know they promoted hypertube cannons to "officially unofficial" or whatever, but eh. Too immersion-breaking for me)

[viral tendon]

With hypertubes you'll need to manually walk to another tube

[mild mango]

Whats with these creatures that look like their limbs are stretched to oblivion with blender

[viral tendon]

Plus trains have storage so i can transport it with me stuff that i need

[placid stirrup]

Hyper cannon blueprint says what?

[leaden turret]

?

[viral tendon]

It doesn't say anything

[mild mango]

Yeah that looks like a nightmare fuel

[earnest condor]

Direct quote:

"thmp-thmp-thmp-thmp-thmp-thmp-thmp-thmp-thmp-thmp-thmp-thmp-thmp-fooooo"

[haughty ember]

I'm trying to decide between buying Satisfactory or Shapez 2. I want to have a private game with only a few active players possibly 2 to 4 people at most. But knowing that Satisfactory I would need to be online for others to join I think it would be difficult to find such active players who could meet on the same time and play at least every 3 days.

[leaden turret]

Mr T. does dub step?

[earnest condor]

Yes.

[viral tendon]

Hypertube blueprints can't speak. They are not living beings and don't have audio outputs.

[dense violet]

I'd find IRL people if you want a multiplayer Satis game

[earnest condor]

Clearly you have never entered a Hypercannon...

[leaden turret]

if you think is nightmare fuel, wait until you meat

[viral tendon]

I have. It can't speak, it is impossible.

[earnest condor]

Sure...

[haughty ember]

That makes sense, is that because you had many multiplayer experience with discord players many times before?

[dense violet]

imo it's not really a game that lends itself to MP if you're really into building things
tiers 1-9 are basically a tutorial to more of a sandbox game like minecraft

[ornate saffron]

You can try #1201555265942724758

Personally I find playing with others annoying lol.

[viral tendon]

Also needs manual landing

[fluid sapphire]

shapez 2 doesnt even have multiplayer though, so not sure i understand the comparison?

[mild mango]

A cat?

[haughty ember]

Hmm, I like tinkering and brainstorming with other players. If it is a single player I definitely would go with Shapez 2 because then everything is quicker and I don't need to run back and forth or stuff like that.

[earnest condor]

GASP! Not running never!

[placid stirrup]

The only straw man I'm interested in is from Wicked

[dense violet]

I mean it's not impossible, but you really would need the right people you gell with

[viral tendon]

Zero correlation to my message

[white dawn]

Satisfactory and Shapez 2 are very different games, btw. There's practically no overlap. But regardless: if you want to "tinker and brainstorm with other players," Shapez 2 will not provide that for you, since it has no multiplayer at all.

[earnest condor]

I want to say it's not their fault... butt hay, it's in their jeans.

[sand spruce]

quick question, if i have anj output of 600/m fluid in my machines take exactyly 600/m and i want to manifold it, does a watertower before manifold fix it?

[white dawn]

The only "tinkering and brainstorming" you could do with Shapez 2 is if you were, like, streaming to your friends and chatting outside the game itself. :)

[placid stirrup]

Your initial claim was that trains were quicker, we quickly disproved that, your second point has no relation

[dense violet]

no, water towers don't do anything but give headlift

[earnest condor]

No. You need to loop the pipe.

[haughty ember]

Yeah that's true, I guess that would be too much to ask. Thanks for the answer.

[dense violet]

whats the issue you're having exactly?

[leaden turret]

anywoo to answer your question;

it's a passive creature so it's not gonna go try and engage in combat so it'll just wander about indefinitely.

the pathfinding doesn't quite take the apparent size & gait of such a creature into account, so it gets places it shouldn't

[viral tendon]

Hypertube cannons are different than normal hypertube setups, and who is "we"?

[sand spruce]

How does one fix a manifold of 600/m maxed out?

[leaden turret]

1. give head lift
2. look pretty

[dense violet]

it IS a very good game about design and logistics especially since there's no meta and HUGE number of possible ways to accomplish your goal

[dense violet]

show some overhead images in #math-and-meta or #1038092680493801533

[leaden turret]

package all the things and use mk.6 belts

[dense violet]

often very hard to fix pipes w/o images

[empty bridge]

Hi All. Is there a flight mod for 1.2?

[leaden turret]

don't need a mod for flight, there's AGS flight

[dense violet]

use the inbuilt flight cheat in the game

[viral tendon]

My second point is trains have clear stops and you can setup a destination on another corner of the map and just sit back while with hypertubes you either have to make a really long one or manually walk between each stop, hypertube cannons are a bug and were not even meant to be possible

[empty bridge]

I can't seem to find how to access the AGM menu

[placid stirrup]

Sevrahn and myself, but I'm good on Internet arguments for now

[viral tendon]

Never asked if you are "good" on the internet arguments

[placid stirrup]

Gotta make that cheddah

[earnest condor]

I prefer Colby Jack.

[placid stirrup]

Yeah that's pretty gouda too

[leaden turret]

-# reminder, colby is a failed attempt to make cheddar

[earnest condor]

Let's keep this tangent brie-f.

[haughty ember]

Yes I know Shapez 2 is single-player. I'm just trying to decide since I can only buy one game for now. And the appeal of each game for me is:

• Shapez 2 offers freedom and smoothness of ideas implementation without being tied to distance or resources or anything that makes you waiting.

• Satisfactory on the other hand I think is very fun if I could find the right people or friend to play together with. Which makes it casual and makes the 'waiting time' to be fun and experiencing the world together.

[viral tendon]

And it was only sevrahn

[empty bridge]

I've been through every menu option and there's no advanced game settings unfortunately

[bitter lodge]

without being tied to distance or resources or anything that makes you waiting.
you gonna be doing some waiting....

from experience those space belts are slow as hell, and trains are good and all. but you gotta go far distances

[earnest condor]

You enable it when loading into the save from the main menu.
It cannot be activated in-session.

[white dawn]

Satisfactory isn't an idle game btw. There's no "waiting time" unless you specifically decide to sit around and wait. There's always a ton to do in the world

[fluid sapphire]

there is not a lot of waiting in practice, you can always keep busy, travel is a non-issue past mid-game

[earnest condor]

Travel is a non-issue far before mid-game.

[glass turtle]

Uh+

can i flip a building?

[earnest condor]

No.

[placid stirrup]

Agreed, it should be swiss-ft

[earnest condor]

The outputs and inputs cannot be altered.

[placid stirrup]

Sorry I'm busy making bad puns, speed running my server ban

[glass turtle]

Im struggling with the hypertoop branch.

[haughty ember]

Exactly, and that's what Shapez 2 doesn't have, since you can build, copy paste, much much quicker so there's always something to do and to do it is simple with the tool they gave. So for single player I would go for Shapez 2.
This is just my personal opinion and preference. Of course everyone would be different, but this is the way I see it.

[earnest condor]

Hit Tsunami up for that.
I don't think hypercannons should exist on principle so I don't make them 😭

[glass turtle]

Even just using hyertubes normally would definitely benefit by being able to chose wether you want to go left or right

Which... you cant if you can only rotate them and not flip

Its like a small r, so if you flip it one way the branch goes to the left front or it goes to the right back

[earnest condor]

Oh, there's a Branch piece you should be able to build?

[placid stirrup]

The branches are tough, the direction selector can be finicky. Honestly, cannons are 90% of my use case for tubes unless there's a long factory I want to get across quickly without flying

[earnest condor]

As for turning around, you can just hold S and you will slow down until your direction flips.

[white dawn]

I mean, either are great games (IMO). You'll have fun no matter which you choose (unless the gameplay loop of one or the other doesn't end up actually Working For You™. :)

[glass turtle]

Basically if i can onyl orient them in two ways along a straight. And if it points right it points backwards and it it points left it points forwards.

[white dawn]

The loops are extraordinarily dissimilar, though -- you may as well be comparing an RTS to an adventure game, in the end. :D I've been enjoying getting my head around how Shapez 2 operates over the past few days

[dense violet]

you can probably spin the branch with the mouse wheel

[fierce granite]

scroll wheel, then single click, then scroll wheel again, then single click to finalize

[dense violet]

you can basically always use the mouse wheel or other ways to move objects before you click set them

[haughty ember]

Yeah I will see about that, there's a chance that indeed Shapez 2 would be too difficult for me to the point that I prefer doing something else haha.
one other game I'm considering is Xenonauts 2 which is absolutely on a different genre and currently it is much more expensive so not an option.

[viral tendon]

Satisfactory coop is lowk jsut boring because one person does one thing and the other is just chilling ig

[haughty ember]

I can totally see that happening haha. I guess you really need the right people to make it fun to play together with

[glass turtle]

Exactly. Spinning leads exactly to the behavior i described.

[placid stirrup]

We got the hottest takes today

[dense violet]

do you have to click it twice to lock it in?

[viral tendon]

What do i genuinely tell my hb to do while i am buildiong a motor factory

[glass turtle]

I see. Well, that DOES let me rotate it along another axis, but that just those two axis dont allow for it to be flipped

[dense violet]

if you do , click once and then spin again

[lyric charm]

hey guys whats the best online calculator to use? There'sa bunch out there and they all say 1.0

[dense violet]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[glass turtle]

So basically oppsing ends of a hypertube can not be symmetriacal

[dense violet]

recipes haven't changed at all since 1.0

[haughty ember]

You can tell him to go fishing maybe, if there's fishing in Satisfactory 😆

[viral tendon]

There is not

Is there even fish

On the planet

[haughty ember]

I personally like looking at the tubes twist and turn in Satisfactory, it is literally Satisfaction

[glass turtle]

That does work, but doesnt solve the issue, just those two axis dont allow a mirroring

[haughty ember]

Good question, they should add fishes in future updates

[dense violet]

you should be able to have it either direction and then choose to spin it

[viral tendon]

Ficsit would not allow that

[glass turtle]

Or, wait...

[viral tendon]

Since pioneer's don't need food and ficsit hate fun

[glass turtle]

Ill have to set it that way maybe... I think ive got it

[rigid wedge]

We need boats and overfish exploit the planets sea life

[haughty ember]

ficsit says fucsit

[rigid wedge]

Also the salt in the water would make for something like producing hydrochloric acid and doing stuff with it

[viral tendon]

Would be fun if there was a water source that was actually acid

[haughty ember]

Alright guys thanks to some of you who entertain my question and helped me with deciding. You guys are cool!

[proud tiger]

Anyone wanna do a mega factory playthrough
Pc starting fresh on official settings ?

[haughty ember]

I'll come back here again if I decide to buy Satisfactory in the future

[viral tendon]

What is a mega factory

[proud tiger]

1 big factory that makes everything in 1 place instead of lil ones

[rigid wedge]

Salt water is technically hydrochloric acid

[viral tendon]

I meant the acid that ada was talking about like the one that you'd disolve in

[hollow mountain]

any alt recipe that make turbo motor less of a pain to make?

[viral tendon]

Fuck turbo motor

Genuinely the worst recipe in the game

[hollow mountain]

true brother

[fluid sapphire]

i make mine where i make the other stuff

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=VbCMFtsJrNBkg6npt3iE

[earnest condor]

Which are you currently using?

[hollow mountain]

none it just look overwhelming

[hollow mountain]

i dont have that much output i need to up my game

[viral tendon]

Sometimes things are the way they look

[earnest condor]

Using the Electric combo is the simplest path.

Electric Motor is ECR + Rotor.
Electric Turbo is ECR (already needed) + Rotor (already needed) + Motor (being made by previous) + RCU.

So it's just... "what you are already making + RCU"

[fluid sapphire]

thats a bit defeatist innit

it can be broken down into steps like anything else

[viral tendon]

What

I am not familiar with the terminology you are using

[fluid sapphire]

what, the english language

[viral tendon]

Defeatist and innit

Never in my life i heard people use those words

[earnest condor]

Bubble.

[fluid sapphire]

"innit" is british slang for "isnt it"

[viral tendon]

Oh yeah sadly i am not british

[fluid sapphire]

i see you are new on the internet, buckle up

[viral tendon]

I am not new to the internet

[white dawn]

"Defeatist" is a word used to describe a mindset where one expects defeat (typically implying that striving for victory would be pointless)

[viral tendon]

Basically a fancy word pessimist

[earnest condor]

No?

[fluid sapphire]

its a more specific flavor innit

[white dawn]

Not exactly, though they share a zipcode. :)

[earnest condor]

You can believe in negative outcomes while not being defeatist.

[simple pebble]

A pessimist can still expect to succeed

[viral tendon]

It is

[viral tendon]

True, but i think it'd still fit

[viral tendon]

Being pessimist is not just believing in negative outcomes brochacho

[earnest condor]

We are not related.
And yes.. it is.

[viral tendon]

Don't ahve to be related to you to call you brochacho

[earnest condor]

Literally the defining attribute of pessimism is the belief in negative outcomes 😂

[viral tendon]

I believe in negative outcomes yet i'm not a pissimist

A pessimist only expects the worst

They don't just believe in negative outcomes they just expect them always or most of the times

[bitter lodge]

oh the upgrade from rocket fuel to turbo fuel in a jetpack is insane

[viral tendon]

Also defeatist is a synonym to pessimist

[bitter lodge]

wait I have that backwards lmao

[earnest condor]

Rocket to Turbo is a downgrade.

[fluid sapphire]

anyway, saying that its just overwhelming like that implies that there isnt anything to be done about it, in reality you approach it the same way you approach anything else

[bitter lodge]

ya I went from turbo to rocket LMAO

[viral tendon]

Yeah, turbo motors are just one big brainfuck

[earnest condor]

They are not.

[viral tendon]

Oh when you will shut up

[earnest condor]

🤔

[fluid sapphire]

you could say that about any of the late game products, none of them have to be that way

[bitter lodge]

turbo motors aren't bad-

[viral tendon]

I found making turbo motors the most unfun and painful part of the game

[fluid sapphire]

then you just failed to make it easier for yourself

[viral tendon]

Dunno how do i make it easier

[earnest condor]

Don't. If you disagree with him one time he will form a personal vendetta and latch on to you.

[viral tendon]

Probably picking a more optimal spot would make it more fun

[bitter lodge]

I just made a turbo motor factory ._.

[fluid sapphire]

produce intermediates, route together. problem solved

[viral tendon]

Insane disagreed with me yet i'm still having a discussion with him without being aggressive

Perhaps disagreeing with me is not the problem?

[earnest condor]

Electric or Pressure?

[bitter lodge]

they werent bad to do at all.

[viral tendon]

Uhh what are intermediates

[bitter lodge]

idk electric...

I did pressure though alt recipe wise.

[viral tendon]

I'm a little rusty on the terminology

[earnest condor]

Yeah I was asking which alt 😁

[fluid sapphire]

its not terminology, its the english language

[viral tendon]

Oh yeah and whenver i'm making an actual good point you just ignore it

[bitter lodge]

I also made more in that factory as well.

[fluid sapphire]

intermediate (between) products, products that you have to make before arriving at turbo motors

[bitter lodge]

So they kind of all helped each other.

[viral tendon]

Well my native language is not english and it isn't even close to i may not undesrstand something

[bitter lodge]

see that is the thing. my turbo motor factory started with nothing but raw resources. 0 other input.

[earnest condor]

Remember we have actively defunded education in America for the past 60 years.

[viral tendon]

Oh you mean in between products

[fluid sapphire]

its fine, anyway, my take on this: made it piss easy

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=VbCMFtsJrNBkg6npt3iE

[viral tendon]

Idk i just think i picked a bad spot for turbo motors

[white dawn]

Honestly for end-game products it's a bit difficult to find a single good spot for 'em. I'll often end up with sub-factories strewn about the map

[viral tendon]

I had to stretch 15 thousand conveyors for that 😭

[fluid sapphire]

we have done no such thing

i have had no part in that

[viral tendon]

Sadly i discovered this website waaaaay too late

[white dawn]

An endgame product might require X, Y, and Z, so I'll make those components in separate factories and then bring 'em in to one location for final assembly, etc

[bitter lodge]

ya see these factory rely on other production being brought in. I don't do this at all ._.

[earnest condor]

Fair.

[white dawn]

It's still an "independent" factory since they're only serving that one final product, but it makes the production a lot easier to manage. The "factory" just happens to exist in like three or four locations around the map. :D

[bitter lodge]

which I should do...because it would be easier probably....

[fluid sapphire]

still sucks regardless

[bitter lodge]

but idgaf anymore. I got nuclear power unlocked finallllyyyyyyy

[earnest condor]

POWERRRRR

[viral tendon]

I just made everything in one spot, maybe sub factories with the intermediate products being transported across the map and not their components is not a bad idea

[earnest condor]

And spicy power at that!

[bitter lodge]

ima hand make the phase 4 items, go straight into phase 5. then do things.

[fluid sapphire]

literally me all the time

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=vAUYmiSruD87HaU5hwuv

it keeps the graphs small and easy to parse

[viral tendon]

Well sorry for not being born in the holy land of the united states

[earnest condor]

🤔

[white dawn]

All up to you, of course! :D But yeah, if you do it all in one spot for endgame products you're pretty likely to have to cart in materials from elsewhere anyway, and the bigger/more-complex a factory is, the more difficult it'll be to wrangle. Keeping things smaller and isolated can really help.

[earnest condor]

I genuinely buy most of the unlock materials in Phase 4-5 😂

[viral tendon]

I should defintely try that

[bitter lodge]

ya all my factories start with pure raw resources ;-;. Though if I did bring in other things already being made...it be easier.

[bitter lodge]

LMAO

[white dawn]

Even if I am building an endgame part all in one building, I'm likely to keep a lot of the intermediates totally separate while I work. Like maybe three of the "final" components require steel; I'm likely to actually make the steel in three different spots (like on different floors of the building), rather than "centralizing" in the factory and then trying to distribute

[bitter lodge]

I just wanna see phase 5. plus try and get mk6 belts so I can start making perm factories :>

[fluid sapphire]

i plan those other things with the specific purpose that they are going to be taken elsewhere, so they are really part of the same production line, even if geographically distant

[earnest condor]

Basic aluminium is the final thing I fully automate before just speedrunning to the mk6 belt.

[viral tendon]

It's interesting to me how the game actually gets fun in the late late endgame since you already have everything and it's just a satisfying building simulator

Never seen that in other games

[white dawn]

Semi-relatedly, that's sort of why I don't mind how Phase 5 is kind of a step down complexitywise

There's still fun new stuff to play with, but you get to kind of kick back a little bit and just enjoy it

[bitter lodge]

OMG

MK3 BLUEPRINT!?

[viral tendon]

Phase 4 is one big brainfuck while phase 5 is satisfying

[viral tendon]

mk4 blueprint when

Wait do we have blueprint mk 4?

[white dawn]

We do not, no. :) mk3 (6x6) is the biggest we have

[earnest condor]

Enjoy the tragedy.

[bitter lodge]

no

[viral tendon]

Damn, would love mk4 one

[white dawn]

You can use mods to give yourself bigger ones if you like, of course

[bitter lodge]

oh mk6 belts are further than I thought

[earnest condor]

Ok don't enjoy it?

[white dawn]

The chances of bigger ones arriving in the vanilla game are pretty near zero, though

[viral tendon]

Yeah mk6 belts are actually insane

[bitter lodge]

that no was to the mk4 bp comment

[earnest condor]

Should be your second unlock as they rely only on the first afaik.

[violet glen]

iirc some dev vlog they said the mk6 belts are already pushing it?

[placid stirrup]

Agreed, had to send mine to therapy

[bitter lodge]

ya I gotta work towards those now and automating stuff to make those whenever I want >.>

[earnest condor]

Time Crystal is easy.
Trigons I don't usually automate at all.

[violet glen]

Farm for the Oil-Diamons recipe, it makes it a lot less of a pain :D

[viral tendon]

So sorry for you

[honest ferry]

Hey I just about to produce some steel but coal is far away should I use overclock or car maybe to send them to base, or overclocking and add another belt line maybe? any suggest..( I have 1 belt of 60/min coal for power generators so another coal spot is 1km away)

[bitter lodge]

but time crystals are needed for mk6 belts?

[viral tendon]

It's ok i hoep you picked a good therapist

[violet glen]

Trigons go into the belt. Hell yeah I automate those

[earnest condor]

Single coal node makes enough Time Crystal for building without any hassle? No alts needed.

[earnest condor]

Yeah. And very simple to automate.

[violet glen]

Well, you need them for much more than building

[viral tendon]

Mk6 belts are more than enough i think

[bitter lodge]

my goal now is a factory that produces just time crystal and ficsite trigons :>

I didn't say coke you dumb bot >.>

[viral tendon]

Oh it reacts to coke aswell

[earnest condor]

Trigons I just have a miner->constructor->converter SAM setup.
Other part of the Converter is an ISC.

One hand-drop of Aluminium Ingots nets you like 16k Trigons.
So I don't feel the need to automate them.

[viral tendon]

Even tho that's pepsi

[placid stirrup]

Same
#design-and-architecture message

[viral tendon]

Damn what doesn't it react to

[bitter lodge]

das cool

[white dawn]

I believe it reacts to "ficsit" as well, which is a substring of ficsite

[bitter lodge]

oh? I don't know the recipes yet...

I am still waiting to unlock it first.

[fluid sapphire]

super easy to cook up fr

[white dawn]

You can block the bot to not see the reactions, btw. Though I think that also means you won't see the !qa type redirects either

[viral tendon]

Holy shit

[viral tendon]

fiсsit

[bitter lodge]

I am so excited to finally be able to play the game

mk3 miners, mk6 belts. Nothing more i need but some power shards on demand next :> then its mega factory after mega factory time.

[viral tendon]

Power shard automation is when you start to enjoy the game

[fluid sapphire]

uh thats not what a megafactory is xd

[bitter lodge]

ayee just need time crystals to unlock the means to make them

[earnest condor]

Yeah it is just SAM + Any Ingot (Aluminium being the best conversion) = FICSITE Ingot = Trigon.

4800 Ingots = 1200 FICSITE = 3600 Trigon
But if you somer that you get:
4800 = 2400 = 14,400

[bitter lodge]

shit

I am using so much alum already. I got like 2 nodes I can tap atm.

[fluid sapphire]

the hell you need that many trigons for

[earnest condor]

That's the point and why I don't automate them 😂

Because a single hand delivery nets me almost 15k.

[bitter lodge]

AYO

Coal is needed for diamonds to make time crystals!? Why is it always back to coal

[fluid sapphire]

whatever you say, still easier to automate them

[earnest condor]

??????????????????

[bitter lodge]

I need to get some alt recipes >.>

[young sentinel]

coke?

[viral tendon]

Oh yeah diamonds require a little too much coal

[bitter lodge]

hm. Oil based diamonds...
or petroleum diamonds...
I feel the latter would give you more per oil used?

[earnest condor]

It's wayyyy easier to not.
Because you just set up the SAM line in like.. Phase 1 and leave that running.
When you get aluminium in Phase 4 you just, use like 10 less ingots and let that container fill the whole time.
Hit Phase 5, go pull from container once, hop over to SAM line. Boom. 15k.
No work at all.

[simple pebble]

Petroleum is surprisingly less efficient iirc

[fluid sapphire]

well, if it works for you, some of us like not having materials run out

[earnest condor]

Strictly for building materials, the coal one is fine.
Like an Impure Coal node will give you enough for building.

[fluid sapphire]

consider cloudy diamonds too

or turbo diamonds, if you have compacted coal being sinked somewhere

[bitter lodge]

true.

I need time crystal and trigon...100/min should be more than enough I imagine?

[earnest condor]

More than, yes.

[bitter lodge]

4k coal....

ya, uh. Gotta tinker some recipes. Cause fuck that.

[fluid sapphire]

haha me building infra to transport 10k coal right now

[earnest condor]

Also, if you have never built a mk6 before: get ready to paint a LOT.
Because if you don't make the secondary color black they will blind you.

[bitter lodge]

[fluid sapphire]

its not that bad lmfao

[bitter lodge]

omg. I can just drag sam to my alum factory ._. then make the cyrstals else where.

[earnest condor]

Your primary color will be the rails of the belt.
Secondary is the light color the middle emits.
And even pitch blackness is BRIGHT coming off those belts.

But it is the dimmest bright you can make them.

[fluid sapphire]

you may not like it but thats what peak performance looks like

[earnest condor]

I still wish they never added the mk6 and instead made the mk3 miner dual-output. 🤷‍♂️

[fluid sapphire]

you have some really strange takes fr xd

[earnest condor]

Were you here prior to 1.0 when that was the actual debate?

[fluid sapphire]

ok, how did that debate pan out?

[earnest condor]

So "no" is the answer to my question 👍

[fluid sapphire]

what is this, an attempt to add validity to your take by way of saying you were here earlier? and then you refuse to elaborate?

still waiting for an explanation as to why the hoverpack shouldnt be in the game

[earnest condor]

🙄

[fluid sapphire]

yeah, as i thought

[bitter lodge]

that is a cool idea

[simple pebble]

SF+ has dual-output miners, it's bliss

[earnest condor]

You added in a bunch of assumptions that I did not put there so I roll my eyes because it isn't worth trying to explain when you've got predetermined conclusions.

[fluid sapphire]

yeah dawg, cause you dont elaborate

[earnest condor]

I will take your word for it because I will never on principle. 💛

[earnest condor]

I would if you didn't pre-elaborate to yourself.
Once you do that I no longer see any value in spending the effort on an unchangeable perspective.

[bitter lodge]

what is SF+

[earnest condor]

Mod.

[bitter lodge]

like some sort of massive overhaul mod?

[earnest condor]

That would be an apt description, yes.

[simple pebble]

Yeah. That's exactly what it is

[honest ferry]

Is there a way to build more than 10 blocks? I wanna make a very long road but have to build 10 by 10 blocks only

[fluid sapphire]

what does "pre-elaborate" even mean? the last time i asked you what you meant by one of your takes, the hoverpack in particular, you never answered

[bitter lodge]

BPs

you can make like 5x5 platforms

[earnest condor]

Mod. Otherwise your zoop limit is 10.

[earnest condor]

You can make 6x6 now 😉

[bitter lodge]

TRUEEEE

[honest ferry]

ah I see, I was so annoyed cuz the terrain is not plane and make building road so frustrated

[bitter lodge]

Oh I gotta update all my bps when I get mk6 belts as well >.>

[earnest condor]

Trucks drive on the dirt perfectly well. No road required.

[earnest condor]

If you want to use them in other runs I would not.

[bitter lodge]

I have bps segemented.

So like mk3 belt versions. mk4, mk5.

I just make copies with better belts basically

[earnest condor]

One of the best parts of new runs is when you unlock the first printer you can just import ALL of your BPs, regardless of size, and use them. 😁

[bitter lodge]

after this run, I am gonna do a full on modded run

but this run will last me another...2-3 months easy.

[ruby gyro]

Were you?
Engine stuff made it hard to implement, it wasnt a discussion about preference

[earnest condor]

Engine limit was the original mk5, yes.
Then engine update.
Engine no longer limit.
Actual debate between people who wanted mk6 and people who found that solution boring and preferred the dual-output solution given the model on the mk3 miner clearly has the space to put a second output.

So it was a discussion about preference.

[hollow kernel]

idk if this is the place to ask this but what is the diffrence between builder and optimizer in https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1201555265942724758 filters

[tall lantern]

i would imagine builder is more aesthetic vs optimiser just building efficient stuff

[earnest condor]

#math-and-meta message

Here's me 3 years ago being here talking about dual output if you really need receipts...

[earnest condor]

100% this.

[wise junco]

Why are we fighting today

[tall lantern]

because it's a day ending in Y

[earnest condor]

Which time? 😁

Do you want to fight about fighting now? 😏

[bleak valley]

[bitter lodge]

because my oil pump doesn't extract 300 without a fluid buffer

[wise junco]

Yes

[ornate saffron]

sounds like something is not balanced/needs a Fluid loop/ needs to be fed from above

[bitter lodge]

sorry, its an inside joke.

[wise junco]

You missed the argument that joke is referring to

[bitter lodge]

but at least you understand the fix

[wise junco]

Tl;dr someone saying you can't use an oil extractor at 600pm without a buffer

[ornate saffron]

oh, okay. Even if i was there i am likely to autistic to make that social connection lol

[earnest condor]

Need to delete the buffer because they never help.

[ornate saffron]

Oh, I vaguely remember that lol

[wise junco]

I was called a troll for calling them out for spreading misinformation

[earnest condor]

Well I think I fight better than you fight. So there.

[wise junco]

Neener neener

[earnest condor]

PUMPKIN EATER

[ornate saffron]

i like winning at things you are not supposed to win at, Like yelling

BRANDO WILL MAKE YOU WIN AT YELLING!

[earnest condor]

LOUD. NOISES.

[wise junco]

Top tier movie

[bitter lodge]

150/min trigons.

halfway to my new shiny belts.

[wise junco]

You sure you can eat all that?

[earnest condor]

Or from Hitman's Bodyguard:

WHY ARE WE ALWAYS YELLING???

[bitter lodge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=Mjxfn59Dv30GhU3KearA

what is this nonsense...I swear enabling all alt recipes makes this site come up with the most absurd factory layouts.

[earnest condor]

Weighted resources does weird stuff.
Once we can manually set weight it will be cleaner.

[bitter lodge]

boom. 100x easier. ._. 1000 oil = 100 time crystals. super easy to do.

[tall lantern]

shared the same link twice lol

[bitter lodge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=9jXUWa748ouYGAMCl3Jf

[wise junco]

Too late we saw it

[bitter lodge]

there ya go lmao. my bad

[wise junco]

Can't delete it now

[earnest condor]

I mean, 1650 of the 1775 oil in my Ionized setup is just Diamonds so yeah 😁

[ornate saffron]

i would input the resources you already have as well. For example You likely have a source of sulfur and plastic. It simplifies things making it easier to read

[tall lantern]

going from 1000 oil to 100, yeah that's not surprising

[bitter lodge]

ya I never make factories like that-

I start every factory from raw resources.

[wise junco]

I never make factories

[wise junco]

Same here

[tall lantern]

tools has a particular idea of how much each resource is worth, so if you give it free reign, it'll happily use what it judges as the cheaper resources

[bitter lodge]

but I want to change that. I want to make like these mega over producing factories to distrubute them with a train system :>

[earnest condor]

Be the change you want to see!

[wise junco]

No thanks, I dont like change

[ornate saffron]

I generally do to. But there is some exceptions. When poly resin no longer feeds my needs for plastic and rubber, I'll make a whole node making a mix of both 300 oil for instance is 1100 plubber split any way you choose. then ill ship it where needed (unless its to far and there is a closer source) I do the same for Bauxite ill make a whole node work of alum ingots then ship them

[bitter lodge]

I am doing the same for alum.

I tapped nearly every baux node in game, centralized it into one alum factory...but now I got mk3 miners. So I am about to do some massive expansion on it

[ornate saffron]

fun fun.

[bitter lodge]

I fucked up....

I didn't realize how big particle accels were...

[untold moat]

welcome to the club, how can we help?

[reef basin]

Can in beta

[reef basin]

Welll they are most resource efficient

[earnest condor]

Ok but when beta go to live? 😭

[ornate saffron]

htey are star gates. Three story monstrosities

[untold moat]

beta is live, but it isn't the main branch

[bitter lodge]

they are so chonky!

[reef basin]

Never

Well it's live

[bitter lodge]

10k iron plates is actually wild....

my poor depot about to be going through it

[earnest condor]

PATCH NOTESSSSSSS

[bitter lodge]

sadly still exp >.>

[earnest condor]

You could join us!

[bitter lodge]

you know what

I am about to remake all my factories...why not add some trucks into it

[ornate saffron]

backup your saves and blueprints

[bitter lodge]

LMAO

I love the pink mk6 belt this is amazing

[bitter lodge]

oh shit ya. I gotta figure out how to do that

[ornate saffron]

also

#satisfactory-memes message

[bitter lodge]

I don't have mods :>

[fluid sapphire]

paint finishes for train tracks? ya'll telling me i will have to repaint my entire rail network fr

[ornate saffron]

When I tested it we could only use the metallic finishes

[worn oar]

Why not?

[bitter lodge]

I never beat the game, so I want to do it vanilla first-

[ornate saffron]

I did my first 1200 hours no mods.

[fluid sapphire]

i noticed someone posting about the golden finish disappearing on machines after only a very short distance, does this happen to the other metallic finishes too? what about on rails?

[bitter lodge]

so I basically just need to copy my save and blueprints to a separate folder?

[cursive topaz]

Guys what item yields the most sink points

[bitter lodge]

then those are my backups in the event exp bugs out?

[tall lantern]

ballistic warp drive

[ornate saffron]

i usd copper on some rails and did not ecperience any wierdness. BUT my testing was limited. i played on EXP with my current save for one week then reverted

[cursive topaz]

More mid game

[ornate saffron]

BWD

[restive meteor]

When you first start you have two biomass burners as a part of your module. I have subsequently built more burners and these are set up to have automated biomass feed. However if the original two burners run out of fuel then it trips the fuse and everything shuts down even if there is plenty of fuel in the manufactured burners. Is there a way around this because those two burners are burning a lot of fuel and need repeated attention

[white dawn]

!wikisearch awesome sink

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=awesome+sink

[tall lantern]

then that wouldn't be the most 😛

[white dawn]

^ if you want the full points list, the wiki has you covered

But I suspect your real question is "what should I be sinking to get coupons?" To which my answer is: literally everything.

For every single item you're sending to storage, slap a smart splitter in front, with an "Overflow" output headed to a sink

[tall lantern]

add more built burners

HUB ones burn slower and produce less power, that's the only difference

[pulsar bobcat]

I've gotten really tired of satisfactory grind. Is it considered bad to cheat my way to making it go faster

[bitter lodge]

now I wait for exp to download

[restive meteor]

The problem is that when they run out of fuel they shut down the whole system, it doesn't matter how many extra ones I have built

[bitter lodge]

@earnest condor how much better are trucks in 1.2 huh?

[fluid sapphire]

the solution is to completely ditch the burners attached to the hub as you cant auto-feed them

[bitter lodge]

Do I need a road for them, or will the ground be fine?

[earnest condor]

Very.

[restive meteor]

That's what I was wondering, but how do I ditch them

[earnest condor]

They drive on the dirt beautifully.

[pulsar bobcat]

Do they actually function now?

[earnest condor]

They always did function.

[bitter lodge]

Well I am about to nuke my world basically. So I am excited to try them.

[fluid sapphire]

disconnect and stop feedin them, build normal burners to replace the lost capacity

[pulsar bobcat]

Barely making it from point to another is not considered functional

[earnest condor]

Driver issue 🤷‍♂️

[bitter lodge]

with these new path finding, it may be valid

[earnest condor]

You will be pleasantly surprised.

[pulsar bobcat]

Hmm could be 🤔

[bitter lodge]

OH WE GOT FLUID TRUCKS TOO

[abstract heron]

Thx for making the game gooder and fun <@&370483737957236737> and thx for the #patch-notes aswell 😛 do you think 1.2 needs a other patch before stable or not?

[earnest condor]

YES!

[abstract heron]

IN EXP

[bitter lodge]

ya I am switching to exp right now >.>

[abstract heron]

REMEMBER BACK UP YOUR SAVES

[pulsar bobcat]

Oh yay, that's gonna help with rocket fuel so much

[earnest condor]

I have zero problems with the 1.1 system.
But for everyone who does have problems with it, the 1.2 trucks will make you want to actually use trucks.

[bitter lodge]

already did

save and bps backed up

[pulsar bobcat]

only bummer for me is that I can't make my present save have lower space elevator requirements

[earnest condor]

New system loses some functionality of the current but massively streamlines implementation of truck routes.

[bitter lodge]

start a new save?

[serene jolt]

16,000 MW good for stage 5? I’m not planning for anything too crazy. But don’t know how much particle accelerators use

[bitter lodge]

looking at the map. I haven't touched the top right biome at all....

[pulsar bobcat]

I really want to but I am busy af with college and stuff and worried that I just won't have time

[mental hatch]

i cant edit map markers, tried clikcing on the side bar and on the map itself, any ideas/

[bitter lodge]

I kind of want to like make trucks gather a bunch of resources and just centralize them

[pulsar bobcat]

That's a great idea for a bus

Less trains to build

[fluid sapphire]

cant tell you off the top of my head but a single slooped overclocked particle accelerator making nuclear pasta probably uses more power than that on its own

[bitter lodge]

I have one small train-

I need to use trains more, and I think I will be here soon as my main distribution

actually. I need BP that has a road one layer, and a train layer on the bottom...

[pulsar bobcat]

It's a lot of work though and you might have to completely remove your previous train system

2 way is really good but kind of difficult to setup

[earnest condor]

This is their function.
Trucks centralize resources from a biome to a central point.
Train takes from central point to other biomes.

[bitter lodge]

my train system is currently point a to point b. Nothing else...

it is literally taking alum ingots, and that is all.

[earnest condor]

"How fuel truck?"
Uh.. have the train drop it off.

[glass turtle]

Is there a way to build multiple conveyors at once? The stackable conveyor pole would seem like a canidate but i think youd still build each conveyor section manually

[earnest condor]

Blueprint.

[bitter lodge]

that is with me my drone port.

[pulsar bobcat]

What if we get a mini train 🤔 for the short amount of distance i don't want to conveyor

[earnest condor]

Yes, but drone limited on amount.
Truck + Train combo lets you harvest entire biomes quite easily.

[bitter lodge]

I have a drone airport basically at my rocket fuel. I have a drones that will go to each location and supply them fuel.

[earnest condor]

That's a truck.

[pulsar bobcat]

Yea but trucks collide

[bitter lodge]

you mean trucks?

[earnest condor]

Go to 1.2 😉

[glass turtle]

Yeah that ends up being more work than it saves, doesnt it? You still then have to connect the blueprints every 4 squares when it ends

[frozen ingot]

#patch-notes is basically just 100 fixes hah 😄

[serene jolt]

I have 5 of the 8 nuclear power plants I can run on my fuel rods going. Just need more water/super computers

[frozen ingot]

we fixed all the things!

[earnest condor]

BPs have an "autoconnect" mode.

[frozen ingot]

💪

blueprint auto-connect is lovely

[pulsar bobcat]

That's kind of a pain with over water rails if you've ever tried that

[glass turtle]

They do? i thought thats something that supposed to come in 1.2

[pulsar bobcat]

It's there in 1.1

[glass turtle]

How do i use that?

[bitter lodge]

press R

change your mode when placing bps

[glass turtle]

Oh.

[pulsar bobcat]

Build another blueprint close to the previous blueprint and then place it where u want it to be

It has to look connected

[glass turtle]

Well that will make building a central factory that every last node of the map is routed to a breeze

[abstract heron]

also press h to lock it in

[fluid sapphire]

it does not, just needs to be close enough

[bitter lodge]

wtf. mk3 bps take neural quantum processor?

wtf is this fancy little thing

[fluid sapphire]

unless you mean... the hologram and the belts that the system itself creates, then yeah i guess

[earnest condor]

Buy them from the Shop.

[pulsar bobcat]

The hologram

[fluid sapphire]

yeah true

[pulsar bobcat]

Are they that difficult to automate

[bitter lodge]

I gotta unlock them first lmao

[earnest condor]

Is anything in this game difficult to automate?

[earnest condor]

Fair.

[bitter lodge]

also you think I have coupons!? I only have 1.3k smh....

[ornate saffron]

its the only buildable that uses them

[bitter lodge]

oh

ya they getting bought. I am not wasting time automating them

[earnest condor]

This is the way.

[pulsar bobcat]

Everything after phase 3

[bitter lodge]

I just want mk3 bp. I wanna make better and bigger bps.

[white dawn]

... but that's one fewer production line to build! 😢

[earnest condor]

How so?

[bitter lodge]

I may automate them later. But for now, I just want my bp maker thingy.

[pulsar bobcat]

Distance between resource nodes increases by a lot

[fluid sapphire]

automating production in my automation game? what in tarnation

[earnest condor]

I think you're equating "time consuming" with "difficult"?

[pulsar bobcat]

Might be

Lot more maths as well for ideal production

[bitter lodge]

20 MINUTES FOR POD

[earnest condor]

Satisfactory is just layers of basic arithmetic. Over and over.
None of it is "difficult" by the metric of say... Algebra or Calculus.
It's just "time consuming" as you add more layers of basic math.

[bitter lodge]

ima go find a corner and cry while I wait.

[earnest condor]

Tears are not authorized.

[pulsar bobcat]

Then i guess tedious might be a better word for my situation

[ornate saffron]

really a matter of perspective, and how your build style is. I don't centralize anything. for the most part every factory is built where the resources are shipping the final product out to the location needed. for the most part the pioneers Cloud storage or the Space elevator

[earnest condor]

Valid, and fair.

[bitter lodge]

😭 I just mk3 bp

this game hates me

[earnest condor]

Only the lizards feel hatred.
Which is why I shoot them on sight.

[pulsar bobcat]

How did u make oscillators work?

[bitter lodge]

which oscillator...

there is crystal and superposition....

[pulsar bobcat]

Crystal sorry

[earnest condor]

He shook them back and forth, really fast.
😏

[ornate saffron]

Did you start in the Grassy plains>? if so to the east there is a purple forest there is quartz there. not far continuing east there is blue crater that has almost every resource in the game

[pulsar bobcat]

The basic one

[bitter lodge]

they aren't expensive?

you can make them with just iron and quartz...

[earnest condor]

Insualted Oscillator my beloved.

[ornate saffron]

the real thing that you must account for is space. The manufactorer is LARGE adn at 100% you make one a minute

[pulsar bobcat]

According to me gets expensive when u need to use them in radio control units

[bitter lodge]

so why not just remake them in the factory you need them in?

[earnest condor]

Crystal Computers make that simpler tbh.

[fluid sapphire]

radio connection unit alt

[earnest condor]

Base RCU recipe

[bitter lodge]

synthetic power shards unlocked!

[earnest condor]

🥳

[fluid sapphire]

too basic for my taste

[bitter lodge]

oh wait

im so confused on this recipe...

[pulsar bobcat]

Aluminium 😰