satisfactory

[reef basin]

no, why?

[wet moon]

Map doesnt update when you are on it

And you dont take poison damage

Neither make sense

[reef basin]

well you're inside the tractor, so yeah

[wet moon]

I mean the guy just stands on the back

[wise junco]

to be fair, poison damage could be legit

[shy temple]

So a system I assume others have done, but I havent seen talked.

Infinite fuel systems. We don't need refineries running fuel. We have infinite fuel using sloops.

[green fiber]

Not doable

[rough shore]

why automate cars when u can just get a whole cities population on ur server and pay them to do the work

[twin parcel]

not getting poison dmg part in a tractor is a feature , not a bug .

[shy temple]

Wait... We cannot sloop packers...

[green fiber]

Indeed

[rough shore]

obviously pal

[shy temple]

Darn, brain short. The idea was cycling production back into itself, whoops

[wet moon]

Alr well, at least its a benefit, but what about not updating map?

[wise junco]

if only there was a way to do an infinite loop, similar to recycling

[green fiber]

Precisly because of that. Thats why the devs disabled it

[gleaming wasp]

do you all use paint swatches for your builds? if so, is it for aesthetic or organisation reasons?

[shy temple]

Hmm...

[green fiber]

For both actually

[shy temple]

my brain thought pack and unpack fuel, but I forgot the system I set up has the sloop on the refinery.

[green fiber]

Color can be for aesthetics and for organisation

[wet moon]

What do sloops do? People keep talking about it but its just a artefact

[green fiber]

That only gives infinite free canisters, not infinite free fuel

[green fiber]

If you research them in the MAM then you will find out

[shy temple]

Well, the thing was that if you have double fuel canisters, half would go back into the system, the other half goes on to be used.

[gleaming wasp]

so like for pipelines close to each other that carry separate fluids?

[empty bridge]

is there a way to get rid of these elephant creatures?

[green fiber]

Possibly

[shy temple]

The reason I double my one is so that I take half out of system and other half cycles back to be used again in fuel production.

[wet moon]

No ADA doesnt like killing them

[chrome whale]

I have no clue what I'm doing wrong with tractor paths but it doesn't seem to be working. I set it up and when i turn on autopilot it keeps getting error "unable to reach station". Dude, you're sitting directly on the starting spot

[gleaming wasp]

what are the other possibilities? that's the only example i can think of

[twin parcel]

yes , a gas nobelisk or couple of cluster nobelisk/nuke nobelisk .

[shy temple]

Though what one can do is a closed loop slooped aluminium system for the water... I wonder with alternates if it can be balanced.

[shy temple]

I beat them with my club until they get off my roads.

[green fiber]

Color factories based on product, color roads based on where vehicles go, color things just because you like them a certain color.....

[wet moon]

Try moving the tractor farther away and then setting it off?

[green fiber]

Color different parts of a factory so you can follow the colored path to a specific section of it

[chrome whale]

Already tried that

[twin parcel]

is the station snapped to the path?

[chrome whale]

Both are

[wet moon]

Is the station on a foundation?

Or just on the ground

[twin parcel]

just remove the truck station and place them again . sometimes there are bugs .

[surreal ingot]

Anyone got any tips on making factories look nice and pretty? I finally got a 100% working iron factory up and running, but it looks ugly asf

#screenshots message

[wise junco]

play with walls, lights, and beams. step 1 for sure

[wet moon]

Whats to say yours doesnt look nice :D

[wise junco]

also build closer to the ground and work with the terrain!

[surreal ingot]

I unfortunately chose a very small area to build in 😭

[surreal ingot]

Me

[wise junco]

mix horizontal and vertical

[surreal ingot]

Hmm, I need to learn how to make this vertical. I partially went off a YouTube video I was watching to figure out the ratios I was messing up

[wet moon]

For me my factory is nice when its big and ordered, the ratios must work out nicely or its a bad factory

[wise junco]

#design-and-architecture message

[wet moon]

Find out what you wanna do with it

[wise junco]

i find that separating each "stage" onto a floor is helpful

[surreal ingot]

I wanna do both make the ratios work out evenly AND make it look like an actual designed factory and shit. Like I see people building all these cool things and all I’ve got is “flat blob”

[surreal ingot]

I can’t even begin to tell you what does what. I’ve been playing since mid early access, but I never have progressed past coal

Everytime I get coal I go “oh, I could’ve done this thing better” and restarted

[wise junco]

flat blob has its place. trust - not everyone here has perfect factories everywhere on their map. a lot of mine are basic, but orderly. some get big effort, some get "get this going"

[wise junco]

make the next one better. the world is huge. leave the old standing

[surreal ingot]

Fair I suppose

My goal with this save is to do just that. Try and make little outposts, have a central storage facility

[wise junco]

recommend skipping the central storage tbh

[surreal ingot]

Train going from one outpost to the next

[wise junco]

you'll frustrate yourself for a lot of naught

[surreal ingot]

Eh, it’s just a personal thing. I like having central storages

I do the same thing in Minecraft: Create

[wise junco]

upload it to the dimensional inventory and enjoy it everywhere. it's literally impossible to plan a central storage with what you've seen of the game tbh

[surreal ingot]

I just told you I never got past coal wtf is a dimensional inventory

[wise junco]

essential

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Dimensional_Depot_Uploader

your "everywhere inventory" - have stuff uploaded from anywhere in the map

alien tech tree in the MAM - despite it needing things, you can use them super early

[surreal ingot]

Damnit now I’m going to have to spend 5 hours later trying to find SAM

[wise junco]

it's not toooo hard to find, but definitely not as common as iron or copper or limestone

[surreal ingot]

I’ve never found it before on accident at least. Mercer sphere, sommersloops—sure—never SAM

[wise junco]

hiding in caves more often than not, though there are a couple higher places as well

[green fiber]

Just generally out of (common) reach

[wise junco]

also, DDs do not require power by themseleves. you can slap a storage container down of something, feed it into a DD, and it'll just keep uploading until you use it all. i have a DD at the end of every production line that could be used for building in any way

[hearty spoke]

how can i change type of fuel my chinsaw uses ?

[wise junco]

you can't

it only uses solid BF

[gaunt crypt]

luckily solid BF is pretty easy to come by when you have a chainsaw

[earnest condor]

#satisfactory-experimental for 1.2 help.

[unkempt blade]

I agree, solid biofuel is the best fuel in the game

[earnest condor]

Yes, the Dune Desert doesn't require power 😉

[surreal ingot]

Does it work for crafting or just building?

[wise junco]

both

[surreal ingot]

Huh… I need this

[wise junco]

it's an absolute game changer

[surreal ingot]

I do still think a central storage is a cool idea, I like the idea of having trains pick up all my stuff and send it to a central area, but it might just be as simple as sending it to the pocket dimension

[graceful tide]

does anyone know how i can verify my train thoughput, I did all the math to figure out what overhead I need but I don't know if it's working or not

[wise junco]

central storage is a cool late game project. doing it early is a headache

[earnest condor]

Central Storage was a great puzzle and part of the core game.

It was sadly rendered obsolete by over-casualization.

[wise junco]

monitor machines for yellow lights on the receiving end

[ornate saffron]

When I did central storage everyone told me not to. They were right its not efficient and is a time waster.

But, it was fun and I learned so much.

[wise junco]

absolutely agree that it's fun. i just know how much i hated myself for wasting time on it my first playthrough. so much rebuilding and spaghetti and... it was 0% worth it

[surreal ingot]

I’m 500% sure it’s a time waster. It’s just a personal touch I like adding to all my factory games. I do the same thing in Minecraft: Create

[wise junco]

i mean hecc, i'm working on a central storage production hub now. i'm not objectively against. just time and a place

[glad carbon]

Do i build a blackhole as a mega base?

[gaunt crypt]

DD pretty much obviated the need for central storage. It carries enough for most any personal project and anything mass produced you're gonna direct link via belts or trains anyway without routing through a central

[ornate saffron]

In satisfactory its all about automating the inputs for your mall storage. Managing overflow and setting up logistics so nothing backs up. Its a fun project

[wise junco]

i have a notebook with grid paper that i'm using for planning mine out lol

[surreal ingot]

I’m honestly even fine if the “central storage” is literally just the train taking it to a storage container sending it into the DD

I just like having central storages

[wise junco]

i did a cool auto-sorter back in the day with redstone... i too love central storages

[gaunt crypt]

eliminate the middlemantrain. just drop a dd right at the production line

[ornate saffron]

Youll get fun sushi belts too.

[surreal ingot]

Trains are also a personal touch. I like them

[ornate saffron]

||choo,choo. Mother fucker ||

[gaunt crypt]

building them and any autosort/trash reintegration logic is fun no doubt but not really useful in this particular game

[earnest condor]

Choo*
Singular.
Second choo is going to be DLC.

[shy temple]

What others say, your build style is not too bad to get looking good. Building sky bridges does make some new challenges.

1. You have your floorplan, catwalks work nice to bring some appeal. Place the catwalks unlockable in sink store.

2. Start laying out walls. And mix up wall types a bit. Nothing wrong with that. Windows and walls, give some layers.

3. Put on a roof layout you like. Can slope multiple sides, or have a sawblade looking roof, domes, etc.

4. Greeble it up a bit. Put in some columns and lights inside. Add perhaps columns outside.

[ornate saffron]

On the contrary. Unless you plan on making a dedicated freight platform for each part (37 I think) youll need a autosorter and sink management

[earnest condor]

36 in 1.2

[ornate saffron]

Ty

[earnest condor]

Non-consumable, for clarification.

[wise junco]

I would like to be consumable

[shy temple]

.... I need to do this for final platform in my train station. Bulk lines that sort and sink... nah, too late now. But totally going to do this for factories in future with truck stops, etc. Every building has a trash line. Resources dropped off, sorted and used or sink

One stop to drop of all the goods.

[gaunt crypt]

I did a huge factory that used a central sort/sink station for a good chunk of it but somewhere around the point where I went from 40 -> 60 warp drives a minute I did migrate to individual stations/platforms for nearly everything of substance

1200 items/min seems like a lot right up until it isn't and suddenly your multi items stations are filling up faster than you can empty them/sink the garbage

[worn oar]

I wonder if it's possible to bring anything on demand using trains like a beefed up DD

Where you can get multiple stacks of multiple things to a work site

[gaunt crypt]

unmodded about the best you can do is upgrade your dd capacity/load speed and then stack multiple input boxes for high volume items so if you yank 5 stacks out they refresh at 240*number of depots speed.

Or have drone ports full of items somewhere and you can drop a drone port locally and send it to go get 9 stacks.

[earnest condor]

Yes.

[gaunt crypt]

although past a certain throughput dropping HTCs and launching yourself back and forth from the worksite and production site using your inventory to carry stuff is faster

[earnest condor]

Entirely possible to build with no "best you can do" stipulation.

Part of the reason Depots were never needed, because everything you wanted was buildable.
But alas...

[gaunt crypt]

well I'm interpreting worksite to be "arbitrary location somewhere on the map"

for a static site you can of course build a whole train network to support it

[earnest condor]

?

[gaunt crypt]

hence "best you can do"

[earnest condor]

Any static site begins as an arbitrary site, no?

[sharp creek]

where do i report bugs?

[gaunt crypt]

a single static site that you choose and build the whole world around vs arbitrarily chosen new site you want to set something up

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @leaden turret

[earnest condor]

Is this a yes or no to my question?

[sharp creek]

i know that i have to go there yeah but i dont know how to make a post

[gaunt crypt]

it is a statement that regardless of their relationship they are 2 different things.

[earnest condor]

I'm saying they are not.

[gaunt crypt]

that's okay. we can disagree.

[shy temple]

Yeah, I figured, my baseline mall is running almost 480, and that isn't late tier stuff that I put sinks on site. I am thinking more independency, which the one input into the sink would be the limiter of the singular input.

[earnest condor]

Once you have Central set up. Any "arbitrary" site that you want to build at can have automatic delivery of any resource built to enable building the "arbitrary" into a "static."

[shy temple]

Two outputs sorting into large containers on to two layers would really help the output for the sorting, so probably run two sinks to maintain pace.

The idea is multi use stations vs large trains. Particularly with 1.2 with the vehicle pathing.

If you have six vehicles, then a singular truckstop could handle everything running dump sorters vs many stops.

But then you run into the shortage issue as you are dumping stuff.

I wouldn't dump stuff then, what I would have is a cleaning station where trucks go before pickup to unload for resorting back into the depots.

[gaunt crypt]

It's clearing the delivery out of the station to make room for more stuff that breaks down. You've got 2 output ports to clear a train car's worth of slots before the next train car pulls in

[shy temple]

So when one thinks about it, having a dump sink would be bad because of the resource loss if you have multiple places drawing from same source.

[gaunt crypt]

Even when modded to allow the output ports to function while trains are docked allowing a full 2400 items/min trains can deliver faster than that

[shy temple]

Yup. It is an interesting in concept, but functionally very flawed as I think about it because of waste and processing.

One vehicle picks everything up, another vehicle for another factory comes in behind and suddenly station empty.

[earnest condor]

Lizard Catto when? 😭

[shy temple]

I think a better alternative is looped chain stations. I do it for some factories like my aluminium, where I daisy chain a few stations together.

[gaunt crypt]

You can create cases that work for some things but they're all special cases.

An easy example is a single station for motor building that has a single train that goes and loads with stators, delivers them, gets rotors, delivers them, repeat

[shy temple]

Eventually the trains sink up and pace up so multiple seperate trains can pull in line with each other.

[gaunt crypt]

you can do stuff like that for arbitrary combinations of recipes if you ratio them out right. But every change you make upsets the whole stack

[earnest condor]

Oh I need to find my picture of Train Elevator.

[shy temple]

Yeah, I like idiot proofing stuff myself since I don't use any calculators or similar. Resulting in sometimes things breaking, but then also usually doesnt shut everything down.

And I can work with it. But series stations do work well for dropping off from multiple sources into a singular rail path to save space.

An example is at my aluminium, I got trains bringing in limestone, quartz, and coal from different stations. So small trains.

Instead of three different lines in, I bring them into a singular line. And one unloads at its stop, other can pull in behind. Or parks and waits, then goes.

[surreal ingot]

We have catwalks?

[gaunt crypt]

awesome shop

[surreal ingot]

I’ve already acknowledged it’s not particularly useful. It’s just something I like

I also don’t know what you mean by sky bridges. Do you just mean a building to move from outpost to outpost that’s not technically on the ground?

[lean fossil]

guys i want to make it so that my output belts are always runnin and they lookin cute as hell
how do I DO THAT
js a sink right?

[wise junco]

hewwo i back

[rich parrot]

A sink at the end for overflow.

[surreal ingot]

Gonna shower and then try and figure out how I can make the iron factory look better. Might play around on creative a bit to mess with stuff

[shy temple]

Yeah, in the awesome shop there are walkways. Two different styles. They actually look really nice. They are a 4m square vs the 8m square of a foundation tile.

Can create pathways over all your conveyors and such.

[wise junco]

I personally love the "industrial" ones, though they dont clip into each other as smoothly

[white dawn]

As Caduseus (and yourself) said, yeah, generally you'd overflow to a sink. Generally your factories are outputting to storage of some sort -- right in front of the storage, put a Smart Splitter. The output to storage gets "Any", and then you set "Overflow" on an output which heads over to a sink. That way once your storage fills up, the output gets directed over to the sink. Whenever you take something out of storage, it'll refill first and then resume sinking

That's also a great way to ensure you're always rolling in coupons -- if you want those trophies from the AWESOME shop, having 100% of your factories outputting to a sink is a great way to rack 'em up.

[shy temple]

Agreed. This is how I do it too. It looks really good and gets you the tickets.

There is enough resource on the map and can never be depleted. So once going? Just keep it going until end and dump to a sink

[finite mirage]

How terribly would a sf server run on an i3 2nd gen with 8gb ddr3?

Quite terribly i suppose?

[spark ruin]

try it

[rough shore]

depends on ur standards

some ppl are fine with fps some are with spf yk

[finite mirage]

Coming from ryzen 5 5600

[finite mirage]

I dont think server has anything to do with fps

[rough shore]

is it not on ur pc?

[shy temple]

Myself, I build what I call a mall. It is where all my goods consolidate into containers. Once container is full, the smart splitter merges all the overflow into a single line to head to the sink.

#screenshots message

[finite mirage]

Its a dedicated server

Running satisfactory dedicated server

[shy temple]

So goods always coming in on the lines behind, you cannot see it in the screenshot, but the input to all those container have a splitter on them. So once full, it directs onto that mixed line above the character.

[rough shore]

ok i thought we are talking game + server at the same time

idk but doesnt hurt to try no?

[finite mirage]

I could try

[cursive crane]

Doesnt even meet the requirements of the base hardware requirements so... probably not well

[finite mirage]

lmfaoo

[cursive crane]

!wikisearch dedicated+server

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=dedicated+server

[cursive crane]

Iirc i3 2100?
Has a single thread rating of like 1200 or something?

[willow hill]

you might as well be playing satisfactory on a potato with an i3 and 8gb ddr3

and though i dont know much about intel

i know that any amount of DDR3 isnt the best

[hearty flame]

having turbo fuel without having the original recipe is fun

[willow hill]

isnt it 1080

[fluid sapphire]

It runs OK on a 1060/rx580

Wouldn't want to play on anything weaker though

[willow hill]

oh, im stupid, i thought you were talking about quality, like 1080p, my bad

[hollow mountain]

rocket fuel for jetpack is great right?

oh 🙁

what about fuel for drone?

[fluid sapphire]

It's pretty good, but might as well make a container of ionized

[hearty flame]

i have an issue with pipes not transferring liquids between one another

[hollow mountain]

i heard ionized was ass

[willow hill]

did you remember pumps

[white dawn]

For pipe issues, #1038092680493801533 is nearly always the best place for it, 'cause debugging pipe problems requires images. Get some nice screenshots of your setup and post 'em in there -- remember that you can detach your camera in photo mode to get some easy overhead shots, etc

[worn oar]

Fun fact: if you decided to sloop everything plutonium can make 42.84 TW of power at the small cost of your sanity and all your free time for the next year

[white dawn]

For power production purposes, Ionized is pretty bad; you've gotta engage in various slooping shenanigans to get it net-power-positive versus just burning the source Rocket Fuel directly. Sevrahn could probably give you sone pointers for productive Ionized though; I know they're fond of their Ionized setup. (Though it still feels to me like you could just sloop the Rocket Fuel instead and get more power out of it, but eh)

As a jetpack fuel, though, it's A+. It's also probably a great fuel for vehicles/drones, though I admit I've never used it in that context

[worn oar]

Ionized fuel is the best for vehicles, drones, jet packs. It's also the way to burn off excess power shards. Think of it as the ficsonium of liquid fuel instead of plutonium and you'll get the idea.

[white dawn]

I'd definitely recommend at least building out some Ionized, once you have it, just for Jetpacking. It's also a way to sink excess Power Shard production, since you can't send those to the sink directly

[hollow mountain]

like overcloack everything for ionized?

[worn oar]

Doesn't matter

[white dawn]

Heh, yeah, if you're producing Ionized for jetpack/vehicles/drones, just make it however you feel like it.

[hollow mountain]

i barely start rocket 🥲 im building 32 generator at the moment

[white dawn]

The trickier issue is if you want to do it for power production purposes and want the effort to be "worth it" compared to just burning the Rocket Fuel. The Ionized production process eats up a lot of Rocket Fuel, and IMO the power density gains just aren't worth it.

[worn oar]

I wish there were more advanced ficsonium-tier generators

[white dawn]

But, as I say, there's places in the production line where strategic slooping can apparently get you some decent gains, so it's not like it's impossible

[hollow mountain]

cant really. max i can do with what i have is 54

rocket fuel is insane tho

[opaque minnow]

Is there ever something called too much water pumps to allow for the after to flow properly

[wise junco]

no, but they're only required for improving headlift

[white dawn]

If you're having fluid flow problems, #1038092680493801533 is often your best place to ask, btw, since you can inline images along with the question. (Images are nearly always needed for diagnosing pipe problems more easily)

[opaque minnow]

It's not a pipe problem👍just have a lot of pipe pumps

[lunar bear]

How long do I gota break normal limestone to get the impure one 🙏

[fluid sapphire]

What

[earnest condor]

This question doesn't make sense.

[leaden turret]

if you're perpetually mining at a chunk on top of a node, you're possibly accidentally aiming at the node not the chunk

[leaden turret]

question makes perfect sense 😛

[earnest condor]

No? Because deposits aren't normal or impure.

[leaden turret]

chunks not having a purity rating implies normal purity would be the parlance used by someone unfamiliar with the game.

[earnest condor]

The actual return chunks give you is the same as hand-mining a Pure though.

[lunar bear]

Bruh, I just realized I've been mining the whole thing, not the individual chunks, which didn't let me put a mk1 miner.

[leaden turret]

point is just because the question does not make sense to you does not mean it is inherently nonsensical.

[leaden turret]

@earnest condor whiiiiich is what I interpreted the question as 😛

[lunar bear]

I've got like 1.2k limestone before realizing

[wise junco]

now eat it

[charred thistle]

is there any way to get rid of the little "EXPERIMENTAL BUILD" flag?

[earnest condor]

If memory serves.. wayyyyyyy back I think you could break the flat parts of nodes that stuck out from center if you mined them long enough.
Or that was just bugged in the beginning.

[wise junco]

@charred thistle #satisfactory-experimental

[charred thistle]

oh yeh

[earnest condor]

Yeah, don't be on experimental?

[charred thistle]

but weather :c

[earnest condor]

Then just ignore flag?

[charred thistle]

screen burn in?

there's not just some toggle to get rid of the banner???

[earnest condor]

Why would they have a toggle that allows you to claim you're playing on live client when you're not?

[surreal ingot]

#screenshots message

why is this not splitting

[earnest condor]

Delete and rebuild all 3 belts.

[wise junco]

did you place splitter on the belt or splitter then belts? try rebuilding the belts

[charred thistle]

why would i claim to play on live client i just want fancy weather :c

[earnest condor]

It's not about you, personally.

[surreal ingot]

Splitter on the belt, does it not work like that anymore?

[earnest condor]

Yeah... never place splitters on belts.

[surreal ingot]

Huh, I swear it used to work

[wise junco]

it bugs sometimes. if it doesn't act as intended just rebuild belts

[earnest condor]

That's not an "anymore" thing either.
That's a "since the dawn of time" thing.

Because does it usually work? Yes.
But why gamble when you can have 100% guarantee by not?

[surreal ingot]

It’s always worked when I did it before

[earnest condor]

But why gamble when you can have 100% guarantee by not?

[wise junco]

it's a sporadic bug

source: trust me bro

[surreal ingot]

Also I built the third layer for my battery after the fact because I forgot I need it to power my iron factory + concrete line + copper line

[west jackal]

most of the time it works, but sometimes it causes issue. you can do it, but if you start getting weird throughput then its time to rebuild

[west jackal]

not sure wym but cool!

[gray mauve]

any new infos about satis 1.2?

[shrewd palm]

are 4 way train junctions bugged? (playing experimental)

[gray mauve]

yea i know is exp, but i want to know when it comes to the stable

[west jackal]

did they add new train junctions??

[wise junco]

maybe ask in #satisfactory-experimental lol

[shrewd palm]

right theres a channel for that

[fluid sapphire]

Signal loops into itself?

[shrewd palm]

not registering that there are any more than 2 paths instead of 3

[fluid sapphire]

What

[surreal ingot]

Finally got to coal, so now time to build a ton of coal power so o can stop worrying about fuckass biofuel

I hate biofuel

Me and my homies hate biofuel

[shrewd palm]

i might just be slow and somehow didnt connect a track but its doing this for all the 4 ways in my save

[fluid sapphire]

Wym by "not registering"

Can you post an image with segment colors visible in #screenshots

Or better #1038092680493801533

[shrewd palm]

will do that

it'll be up in a minute i just need to compress a clip

now this is not the same bug that appeared when 1.1 dropped where the train autopilot would ignore one of the options on a 4 way junction

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1497322578618880180 @fluid sapphire

[lusty ferry]

hello i get coal now i'm fighting pipe manifold or something

i could just copy the coal setup from elsewhere

but how do i post a screenshot of what i have and ask for specific help?

[shrewd palm]

make a post in #1038092680493801533

[glacial trench]

Hey I just came here to ask before buying the game will my 5600x cpu and 5070ti be good to give me 100fps ? Heard that the game is heavy on cpu and I not experienced in factory games

[latent prawn]

the game performs very well until your factories hit a certain size and the simulation starts doing more and more work. that point is different for every rig, but out of the gate, the game will feel really smooth

[rocky radish]

Good night everyone

What is E014 mistakecode?

[sick falcon]

whats the point of trucks having such high capacity truck stations cant unload and load fast enough to take advantage of it

[glacial trench]

Does the game support frame gen ?

[latent prawn]

idk

[shrewd palm]

maybe not 100fps at the end of the game but you'll be getting at least that for most of the game

[shrewd palm]

yes

[hollow mountain]

do you guys automate supercomputer?

[glacial trench]

Okay thank you then when the game starts to slow down I will just turn on the frame gen

[shell ivy]

so I just found out that if you keep slide jumping with no blade runners, jumping as soon as possible every time you land, you get faster and faster every time

[latent prawn]

with factory buliding games, they all slow down as you build stuff, so part of the experience is building until your computer can't take it anymore. when your fps drops to a slideshow, you've 'won'

[reef moss]

if i can get 60FPS at 1080p on medium with a 10gen I3, 24gb ram and a Quadro T1000 you may be good( i just had to turn shados to low lol)

[shell ivy]

frame gen made my game act really weird, most controls were responsive but rotating things became super duper laggy

[hollow mountain]

it work with both blade runners and without

[shell ivy]

like I'd scoll once and it'd slowly rotate for the next minute

[shell ivy]

really interesting tho
is it a bug

[glacial trench]

I think the ai can’t calculate the rotation correctly

[hollow mountain]

yeah but its probably never getting patch

[shell ivy]

the AI isn't doing anything to the game loop

it's only making new frames

to interpolate existing ones

I make one big downwards scroll and it takes ages for it to get through all of them

[glacial trench]

Sorry tried to sound smart with little info that I have

[shell ivy]

I think maybe because scrolling is a lot of inputs and maybe frame gen is CPU heavy

I was using the intel frame gen

[glacial trench]

I’m still new so I have a very long journey which when my pc will give up

[worldly lava]

is talking about later game technologies unlocks considered a spoiler?

[earnest condor]

Only real restriction is keep 1.2 stuff in #satisfactory-experimental

Other than that, speak freely.

[white dawn]

(And even re: 1.2, there's no real spoilers for that content; they've publicly released all that info in videos and such, and there's nothing there which changes recipes/progression/etc. Though yeah, the experimental channel's the better place to talk about that content regardless. :)

[worldly lava]

Just finished project assembly for the first time 66hrs playtime. Amazing game, no other 3d factory game comes close in terms of visuals and quality.

If I could wish for one addition to the game, it would be a late-game upgrade to replace the hoverpack and jetpack.

Late game: In my opinion, the hoverpack feels too sluggish, and the jetpack, even with ionized fuel, still comes across as underwhelming for late game mobility. This is especially noticeable in a setting where the Pioneer is already dealing with science fiction materials, teleporters and alien technologies.

Even though (i think) the developers have stated they likely won’t add something like this, I’d still like to see some kind of flying vehicle that the player can either enter or control remotely. Ideally, it would function as an overall upgrade to the Pioneer, similar to the "Factorio Spidertron" offering increased inventory space and improved building capabilities (e.g area deconstruct).

To keep it balanced, it could have high fuel consumption or require coverage from some building.

What do you think, is there a need for such an upgrade, or is the Pioneer already capable enough as it is?

[earnest condor]

I think the Hoverpack shouldn't exist and that Ionized Fuel already gives you basically full-on flight in the Jetpack.

[white dawn]

That kind of thing's been kind of discussed to death in here. :D If you want to suggest stuff to the devs, the Questions site would be the better place to post it (this Discord is mostly just user-to-user support)

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @white dawn

[white dawn]

In the meantime (and I wouldn't hold my breath for anything "official") there's probably mods which do what you want. :)

[worldly lava]

kk thanks, can imagine the discussed to death part. Is there any conclusion to the discussion?

[earnest condor]

Part of the point of the game is enjoying the beauty of the world they made and oh no it takes a minute to get places.
Such a shame...

But you can entirely circuvent this by building hypercannons that allow you to cross the map in 10s or less.

[white dawn]

Not really. Some folks like things the way they are, some folks want new things. The developers themselves seem far more inclined to side with the "we don't want flying vehicles" side. :)

Though the devs have changed their minds about stuff in the past. The QA site is one of the main ways to indicate interest in stuff. :)

(Personally I'm of the opinion that the game definitely doesn't need that sort of thing and would be worse (though admittedly only marginally so) by their additions, and I'd rather that the devs focus on Other Stuff™ instead. :D But that's just an internet rando opinion, so take it for what it is. :)

[west jackal]

ugh my factory carts/trucks stopped working and said deadlocked. turned out their autopilot was screwed up and turning off and back on again fixed

[next salmon]

recently set up drone ports for the first time, are you just supposed to have one for each resource basically? since the one I have right now is completely filled with just a single resource

[west jackal]

i think proponents for not changing hoverpack is that its intended for building only not traversing so its "fast enough" (though i agree with you) on the other hand, the jetpack feels pretty balanced with better fuels. when you slide jump with the bladerunners the jetpack can take you very far

[west jackal]

sometimes you can use them bidirectionally, but generally speaking, yes, one item per

[next salmon]

kk thx

[white dawn]

The cargo space in drones doesn't yield itself naturally to sushi deliveries, correct. If you're transferring low-throughput-enough material it could still be done, of course

Drones' main niche is lower-throughput single-item transfers. Though of course you can scale it up however far you like if you're willing to keep putting ports down. :)

[jovial karma]

Am i meant to build new factories each time I unlock a new item to build?
Example: I unlock reinforced iron plates, should i use iron plates from my previous iron plate factory or make new ones for this item?

[white dawn]

Up to you! Personally I tend to stick with an "Independency"-minded approach, where I'd make new ones for each new factory

[jovial karma]

Cool cool

[earnest condor]

You are meant to do what you wish to do.

I would highly recommend you build new though.

Leave current Plates alone. Make new Plates to feed the RIPs.

[west jackal]

i agree with this, untill i started high production of t7/8 items, this worked. but once you get to aluminum stuff, i find it easier to do all the aluminum processing in 1 or 2 locations

[earnest condor]

At that point you have the ability for global logistics, so the perspective changes.

[west jackal]

same thing with some of those items, like, rcu/fmf, these (in my opinion) are complex enough parts that id rather not keep making them for later items. so im making almost 80 fmf/min (albeit with some sloops) and half of those are going to my nuclear plant so i dont have to make more 🙂

[worldly lava]

True you can already move very quickly using the jetpack, hypertube cannons, or belt boosting, and there’s definitely value in slowing down to enjoy the world. That’s why I’d place something like this at the very end of the progression, perhaps as a final unlock in the MAM or HUB.

My main thought is that, if I were in the Pioneer’s position, I would want to use all the advanced and alien technologies I’ve assembled to create a more efficient way to build and get around.

[white dawn]

Yeah, stuff like plastic/rubber and basic aluminum products often make sense to centralize to a degree, though I'd still recommend setting up specific exports for the factories you're exporting to, rather than trying to pull from a "combined" pool. Like these Aluminum Ingot constructors output to this factory, etc.

[west jackal]

this is a good point. before trains i wouldnt want to do large projects like this

[west jackal]

thats what i do for aluminum. less critical factories might end up with combined pool, but i try to avoid it

[earnest condor]

You and I view the game differently.
It's a sandbox, it doesn't have an "end."

"Early game", if there is such a thing, begins in Phase 4 imo.

[white dawn]

"Most efficient way to get around" == Construct passenger train, set destination, sip some tea while taking in the scenery. :)

[zenith pecan]

I built my teleportation hub for avoiding waiting.

[worldly lava]

I agree that its a sandbox and it doesnt have an end.

[zenith pecan]

I used to use an accelerator cannon network, I stopped when update 8 hit.

[sick falcon]

early game genuinely feels so painful i swear

[shy temple]

This is my favorite thing from when I was in factorio. I would use logic circuits for a taxi system with trains.

I would have a set of stops where each had one engine going to one major factory. Train triggered to leave when I got in, and when it would get to destination, the train there would trigger to return automatically to where I left.

I often ride trains for chill though, wait for train to arrive and ride it to destinations now.

[sick falcon]

when does quartz refinement alt unlock

[shy temple]

Unlocks occur when you have the product unlocked and the machine.

I cannot remember what machine that uses top of head, but if you have quartz, and the desired product, it should unlock when you get the machine.

[hard wolf]

fused quartz is smelter, pure is refinery, and quartz purification is refinery but it requires nitric acid which is made in a blender, and the distilled silica alt which is also a blender recipe

[simple pebble]

Nitric acid required particle enrichment, too

[alpine fog]

anyone wanna play

[cold berry]

I want to do factory

I am doing factory now

[white dawn]

#1201555265942724758 is the place to go to try that kind of coordination, btw

[alpine fog]

didnt see that💔

[pulsar marsh]

do i ask questions here or is there a place for that

[shadow talon]

#1038092680493801533

[pulsar marsh]

thank you

[hard wolf]

the blender animation is cute :3

[white dawn]

Depending on the question, here is fine too, fwiw. #1038092680493801533 is nice if you need/want to attach images/video/whatever to your questions, though, or don't want to risk the question getting buried in spurious chatter. :) There's also #design-and-architecture or #math-and-meta if your questions are appropriate for those channels

[pulsar marsh]

i had to have some pics cause im genuinely lost lol

[sick falcon]

damn.... i was hoping it was earlier

[simple pebble]

It's my biggest pet peeve

[white dawn]

The weirder bit is that you can unlock half of the Quartz Purification loop way earlier, so you've got this kind of useless recipe dangling around for ages

Or at least that happened to me on my 1.0 playthrough; dunno if that was tweaked for 1.1 or whatever

Though to be fair, Quartz Purification is awfully niche; if you don't actually need quartz/silica in the exact ratios that it supplies, you're often better off just making use of one of the other single-purpose recipes for 'em

[simple pebble]

I got baited by that too

[white dawn]

(If you do happen to want basically those same ratios then it's a real nice production boost, of course)

[simple pebble]

Even if you don't, it's a nice boost, you just can't rely exclusively on it

[white dawn]

I do feel like it's low-key an attack on us Independency-advocate folks. :D "Oh, you don't want to centralize, do you? Well how about this really efficient production system which basically forces you to do so? "

See also: the way most of those Phase 5 production lines are set up to be able to feed into each other

[lean fossil]

#design-and-architecture message
chat this look good?

[shy temple]

Independency is sometimes wierd like that. I tend to mix where some core stuff is high volume and so I will centralize that. I sort of mindset that it is like mined product. Like aluminium processing. Is so high volume that it doesnt really value independency I find.

[surreal ingot]

are fine concrete or copper rotor worth it? Or should I rescan?

[white dawn]

The general answer to "Are X or Y worth it" for alt recipes is "sure, why not?" :D

[surreal ingot]

I would think the developers of the autistic math game put a little more thought into the game than that

[white dawn]

Alt recipes are there to give you options, and they're all at least situationally useful. Stuff like "tier lists" give folks the false impression that reipces are "good" or "bad," which is generally not the case. (And often times it's the relationships between groups of recipes which really shine, not just individual recipes themselves)

[white dawn]

That's sort of my point, though: they did. But it's not a case of "better" or "worse." It's a case of "suitable for this situation" or "unsuitable for this situation"

It's all about options: trade one resource for another, or trade complexity for resource efficiency, or trade space for speed, etc

They all have tradeoffs, and they've all got niches in which they shine

The one bit of ground I'll concede is that recipes do often live somewhere on the range from generalist to specialist; some recipes might see more use than others. But you'll never regret having more build options when spinning up a new factory

[surreal ingot]

I rescanned it and got bolted plates

[white dawn]

And there's more hard drives in the game than you can use anyway (even ignoring the fact that you can outright buy drives from the shop, eventually, if you don't want to explore)

So my advice is just Acquire 'Em All

-# legally distinct trademark

[hard wolf]

imo fine concrete is auto skip vs wet. quartz is a bit scarce and I use it a lot

[surreal ingot]

Trying to rush to rebar gun so I can go shoot things instead of losing half my health to enemies everytime I explore

[proud shoal]

Sent a screen shot of my oil section of my factory and i think its super easy to navigate

[earnest condor]

Rubber Concrete my beloved.

[glad carbon]

Yall, yk how we got nova curves and stuff for making 1 degree or 2 degree left/right curves etc, is there a way to make curves or slopes that go down or up the same way?

[hard wolf]

I have enough excess quartz/m to convert to copper to add to the 300/m from the impure node to have the 450/m I need to make the 300/m bauxite for the tanks xwx

[wise junco]

S a t i s f a c t o r y

[cold berry]

About to finally have my first steel mill up ayyyye

About time on this run

[shy temple]

Honest question. I never used it. How is that? Is that chaining with the recycled system talked earlier?

I have been partial to the bonded plates for my reinforced using the rubber.

I really should use it more. I got lots as byproduct but not being exploited.

[earnest condor]

I believe it is awesome given 2 Rubber is giving you the highest conversion of Lime to Conc.

[simple pebble]

Yeah it barely even costs rubber

[earnest condor]

Pairs very well in locations where you're using Coke Steel, for example.

Nuclear and HMF setups have the most direct useage of it.

[mortal ginkgo]

its biggest advantage is that you dont need to use Refinery just because water is free.

Everything else including my mom already asks for Refineries, you will have more joy doing something different with a different alt.

And yes, its output is great too.

[earnest condor]

I suppose if one is feeling an urge to automate Project Parts for some reason, it would also go very well with Versatile Framework's alt.

[hard wolf]

also electrode circuit boards, which use petroleum coke and rubber

[simple pebble]

In my MP file we're using zero plastic, and just overproducing rubber to use nearly every rubber alt

[earnest condor]

Where are Circuit Boards crossing with Concrete though?

[hard wolf]

most likely in a depot mall, or maybe a project assembly line

definitely in a project assembly line

[wild phoenix]

The concrete clips through the top of the conveyor wall hole 😭

This is so annoying 🙏 😭

[earnest condor]

?

[hard wolf]

radio control system also uses rubber and circuit boards, which can be used to make pressure conversion cubes for nuclear pasta for singularity cells, either for ficsonium or a portal hub

[wild phoenix]

The concrete on the conveyor into my

c u b e

What in this message is blocked 😭

There

[earnest condor]

Picture?

[wild phoenix]

Uh

Later

[obtuse hearth]

is 140k p/m a lot 😭 🥀

[wise junco]

140k per min? of what?

[simple pebble]

Power?

[obtuse hearth]

points

in the awesome sink

[wise junco]

it's a start!

[hollow mountain]

what fuel you guys use for drone?

[wise junco]

i use rocket fuel

[hollow mountain]

oh yeah maybe i could do that

should i focus on train on drone?

[wise junco]

thats an entirely personal question tbh

[worn oar]

So what is the use case of leached ingots? Someone who went straight for nuclear and does little with sulfur?

[worn oar]

Solid biofuel

[hollow mountain]

huh? i though you couldnt automate that

[surreal ingot]

Finally got around to setting up my copper line, now to wait for that to finish a bit so I can start making coal and my fuel can stop running out

[cold berry]

Rubber pairs well with a nice brie, as well

The scientists won't tell you that

[hard wolf]

mmmm, yummy petrol :3

[latent prawn]

there's quite a lot of sulfur on the map post 1.0. only ~2500/min of it is needed for nuclear. The use-case for leached caterium is in bumping the per-node yield of quickwire by 25%. the use case for leached copper as far as i can tell is solely for silcon circuit board (the copper sheets for it are needed in multiples of 11), and leached iron is one of those 'i need more iron' and there's a nearby sulfur node where a fraction of it can be converted to iron and then as much leftove can be used for leached

there may be a few other converter games to play as well, but those are the top uses i've found

[main hamlet]

Just starting out and getting my initial iron factory started up. Using a manifold system I have 120 iron ingots/min and am moving it to my constructor manifold. The question I have is how do I properly balance a manifold? So if I wanted all that iron for plates (base input 30 output 20) would I set up as many constructors that would evenly take the 120/min load? So for this example I would make 4 constructors to balance it?

Just wanting to prevent backlogging

[wise junco]

the easiest way to put it: manifolds balance themselves as long as input = output; the thing to remember is they take time to "boot up" as the machines fill

[main hamlet]

yeah, was gonna fire up the conveyors and let them fill before starting the machines. not a big set up rn so starting up isnt a pain yet lol.

[unkempt blade]

you don't balance it you just do the math to get the right number and then wait

[main hamlet]

well yeah thats what i mean, probably poorly worded. so divide the total input by the individual machine input and that should be the total amount of machines i need, right?

[unkempt blade]

and since you're new I just want to make sure you know that factory carts are the first thing you should buy from the awesome shop

[main hamlet]

yeah working on that tier rn

[glacial totem]

I've been dreaming about this game lol
In my dream I unlocked asphalt platforms but also a paint job that made them look like wood

[rugged ore]

my conspiracy theory is that the end goal of the game isnt to save the day but to remove all screws from all production

[stark lily]

only screws recipes challenge run

[glacial totem]

Does the dimensional Depot have storage limits?

[hollow mountain]

5 stack i think

you have to upgrade tho

[unkempt blade]

it's not a conspiracy there's just a large part of the player base that refuses to use any build pattern except "one huge manifold for all my screws" so they think they're bad

[surreal ingot]

Finally, I have coal power

With 80 too many pumps than I probably need

[unkempt blade]

which of the extraneous pumps is your favorite one?

[wild phoenix]

Can you put images on the billboards from the AWESOME shop?

[surreal ingot]

The one that I added because I was afraid the flat surface I put it on wasn’t flat enough. I named it Bob

(Pun intended)

[unkempt blade]

Bob sounds delightful!

[surreal ingot]

I need to figure out how to set up the coal generators in an actually farm, because once my biofuel runs out my entire thing is dying again lol

[hearty flame]

make the generator near the ore node

[wise junco]

wait.. why would it die?

[surreal ingot]

I have a coal generator and 10 biofuel generators powering my entire factory right now between iron, copper and concrete

[wise junco]

just slap down a couple more gens that your coal/water can support and you should be good

[surreal ingot]

But then I have to use a lot of copper sheets to get the water over there because the water source and my closest coal node are farther from eachother than from me

[surreal ingot]

Yeah but I want to make the generators neat and tidy so I need to set up the generators in a way it looks good

[unkempt blade]

I think all the starts have some coal nodes near water but if you're not by one of those spots it's usually easier to move the solid than the liquid for stuff like this

[surreal ingot]

Yeah, that’s why I have the one generator closer to the water than the coal, the closest coal node is the one on the very bottom of the grass plains start

#screenshots message

[wise junco]

you could just set them side by side and manifold the water/coal.. not sure how much nicer you were looking for at this stage

trust, getting off of biofuel is a way bigger step and priority

[surreal ingot]

Just having a few generators side by side on like a platform. I just want it tidy instead of just setting them down

(Also wym manifold?)

[wise junco]

as in, have a belt brought in into a splitter, split to coal gen 1 and splitter 2, which splits to CG 2 and splitter 3... on down the line

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Manifold

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Coal-Powered_Generator#/media/File:Coal_Generator_Schematic.png this is the typical "starter" setup for coal gens

[hearty flame]

at coords "-75,977 / 130,576" theres a decent starting area for a coal gen, which is what i did

[opaque tapir]

hey guys, any basic troubleshooting for why a station is unreachable in self driving when i can drive the locomotive between the two myself just fine

[worn oar]

99% of the time stations are pointed the wrong direction. Flat side in, rounded side out

[slender dagger]

Anyone had an issue with not being able to craft a chainsaw on 1.2?

[wise junco]

#satisfactory-experimental

[slender dagger]

thanks

[main hamlet]

does overclocking draw more energy from the grid? messing around with it and the MW usage on the machine doesnt change when i overclock

[wise junco]

yes

[main hamlet]

ok, ty

[wise junco]

overclocking raises power consumption exponentially

[fluid sapphire]

There's a better spot nearby #screenshots message

[simple pebble]

The power consumption doesn't update until it makes something, if that helps any.

[latent prawn]

yeah. at 200% oc, you're consuming exactly 2.5x the power, when you push it to 250%, it is about 3.1x the power.

it does add some overhead, but the sticker shock of 3.1x the power is for 2.5x the product, which works out to about 1.25x the power you'd use for two and a half machines

by similar math, 10 machines at 80% clock uses less power than 8 at 100% clock

[dire needle]

anyone that has a nice way to bring 10 conveyors and 1 pipe on the same foundation?

or has a idea how to do it

[hard wolf]

2 rows of 5 and the pipe on top, or 2 rows of 4, and the extra 2 lifts on either side of the pipe on top

or if you didn't mean lifts, the same way with stackable conveyor poles, though that makes the second option look weird

[dense violet]

could just clip them inside the foundation

[dire needle]

i was talking about a" conveyor highway"

[dense violet]

2 rows of 5?

stacked?

[dire needle]

2 rows of 5 probl looks best

but the pipe

idk how to make it look good

[surreal ingot]

That would be good to set it up, yeah, I just wanted to set this up for now to keep my stuff going in cast one or two of my biofuels run out. It’s a reoccurring problem where one or two died and the whole thing shut down because I can’t be bugged to spend 5 hours gathering mats

[dense violet]

burry it under

honestly I think all conveyor highways are hideous. I had them in the rare times I use them

[dense violet]

for example https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1425104545020641300/1425108241725001738/image.png?ex=69ed663a&is=69ec14ba&hm=9420333265e7e6005f69f3a21be17b427a704b32cd1986fc4efe2e88326b65d4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[leaden ruin]

For a setup like https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=v8b9CRL4vHcgwta4dtWk, do you have to temporarily generate Dark Matter Residue to kickstart the particle accelerators to start the loop? (or the opposite, kickstart the encoders with crystals)

[shy temple]

I love conveyor highways myself. When done right. Depending on the style one is going for.

I actually have columns that are center of my roadways that have lines of conveyors above the roadways.

[wise junco]

pure ingot recipes are the best

[shy temple]

There are some more efficient, but pure is definitely the most direct and only water too.

[proud shoal]

Figured out how the camera works and was able to take a picture of my whole factory

Put it in screenshots

[steep brook]

Hey guys I need some advice I'm currently building a huge Factory to unlock tier 3 of the space elevator but I need 3,400 iron and a lot of other materials I'm not sure what I should do should I move accros the map. or downsize how much materials to make? im uploading some facotry plans. note the top left (modular engines are already made). please let ,e know what i should do!! thanks and gn.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1497431492673011862/Screenshot_2026-04-24_225237.png?ex=69ed7f40&is=69ec2dc0&hm=3b0c6582184445bfa4be0adf0c889bbf73b92a6c3ad36d7e65c908b063644ec6&

thankyou

[cursive topaz]

Over clock your extractors (their 2) and use about 5, unless you are playing like 100x play though then I have no idea

[karmic knot]

i cant get fuel to feed into my truck stations from a splitter can someone help the back lift wont operate #screenshots message

[wise junco]

try to build a conveyor belt - do you see arrows where the lift should be connected to the splitter?

[karmic knot]

yea

[wise junco]

then it's not actually connected

[karmic knot]

werid thats the only one that wont connect

[wise junco]

if it's too close, you may not be able to get it to connect

[karmic knot]

got it

[calm escarp]

Who is the elevated one? 😭 ✌️

[wise junco]

wha?

[willow echo]

Hey guys! I got a question, if I do a 1.2 experimental save, will that save convert to 1.2 stable once it's out?

[rich shoal]

hi ive been unbanned

[latent prawn]

you will not have any issues with that. experimental is experimental and there may be some rough patches, but unlikely that that will even happen, experimental is pretty solid

[willow echo]

Awesome!

Cause I'm starting a new save and thought it wouldn't be a good idea to do 1.0 as the 1.2 update is coming out soon

I'm assuming that's what most of people are doing now who are starting new saves?

Starting on 1.2

[wise junco]

I think most new players are playing the stable version, but not sure

[shy temple]

Nope, I am 1.1. I like stable

[clear fjord]

Why is this showing as "Next Stop is unreacheable"?

[hard wolf]

either your signals are borked, or the rail is borked

[wise junco]

or backwards train station

[clear fjord]

rail is fine

[hard wolf]

or that

[shy temple]

Is your station backwards?

[pastel dawn]

Requires foreplay

[clear fjord]

cant I send prints here?

[shy temple]

Cause that means that it cannot find a route. It is reliable

[reef basin]

#1038092680493801533

[shy temple]

#screenshots or

#1038092680493801533

[clear fjord]

look at screenshots

sent there

[dense violet]

station is backwards

also this is the worst channel to trouble shoot things in

[wise junco]

^

[shy temple]

station backwards

[wise junco]

station is backwards

[clear fjord]

where would be good then? first time interacting in this server

[wise junco]

#1038092680493801533

[clear fjord]

aight

[reef basin]

Use #1038092680493801533 next time, #screenshots is for showing off builds

[dense violet]

basically any other channel. Pick one that is appropriate to the question

this is more basics and mechanics so #math-and-meta is also useful for general things

[shy temple]

sometimes it is used in reference to conversations too

[dense violet]

if it's more about design and aesthetics? #design-and-architecture

#1038092680493801533 is good especially if you think it's going to be a long or more complicated question

that way you get a dedicated thread to you

[reef basin]

Which is pretty bad as you have to switch channels

[clear fjord]

turns out both stations were backwards, but now both are fixed and working

ty

[shy temple]

yw

it is a common error, nothing to fret about

[ivory condor]

I wish it was morning here

Well good 1am from here

[rugged fog]

what does area mode in chainsaw for

[ivory condor]

[dense violet]

hits an area

[rugged fog]

so i can cut multiple tree at once?

[dense violet]

it'll just wreck a larger area in one go yes

hence the name, 'area'

[rugged fog]

i just redownloaded this game

im so lost XD

i barely remember all the thing i build

some kind of powerplant and a steel plate factory

do yall like to make a single tall building for all the thing or spread it out

i think ill make separate building for different materials

theres recipe?

i havent progressed that far yet :c

[tranquil bolt]

Holy shit, boutta pull the lever and finish phase 5. Kinda sad its over

[rugged fog]

ngl my screw production is VERY slow

idk what to upgrade or add

[reef basin]

Start with what you need

[tough dock]

when will 1.2 leave experimental + will we have to start new saves?

[reef basin]

Aka start with final product and calculate backwards what you need for it

[rugged fog]

is it a mod?

[rugged fog]

i need that screw for the plate thingy

i only got 5/min

hmm ill try it

can i just upload my world there

[tough dock]

yo can somebody check screenshots and tell me if its a bug

[rugged fog]

i cant do screenshots

but the steam screenshots works fine

[tough dock]

yeah

why are they yellow

every time i close and open the menu, the yellow changes to different icons

[tranquil bolt]

What you want is to set up so you can make 100 ballistic warp drives/ min and work backwards from that

[tough dock]

after shooting my gun, its fixed for some reason

yup, shooting the gun and opening it at the same time breaks it.

take that back, its broken still

[rugged fog]

how do i import my world to the modeler

[tough dock]

now its not, wtf

[rugged fog]

aww

[tranquil bolt]

Well wtf do i do now that ive finished project assembly🤣

[hard wolf]

turn the entire continent into a massive silicon circuit board facory (the best input to output awesome sink ratio), buy all of the trophies, fill 64 industrial storage containers with coupons, and max out the awesome sink coupon capacity

[rugged fog]

yup

check out my factory in #screenshots

[tranquil bolt]

Theres a max coupon capacity?

[hard wolf]

I think it's 9999

[rugged fog]

how do yall even get coupons

im stuck with like 2

[next ivy]

sink more shit

[hard wolf]

always overflow factories into sinks, and set up constructors with sloops to quadruple alien DNA capsule output

[rugged fog]

wait how do i get DNA

ts aint early bro

https://tenor.com/view/tesla-and-einstein-luma-ai-gif-14475294631445060178

[tranquil bolt]

Set up a constructer to make slugs into shards but make sure u sloop it to double them

[rugged fog]

slopps

im gonna binge watch every satisfactory tutorial and tips online

wow theres vehicles

10 hours in and i havent explored the map yet

get a lobotomy

and u can experience satisfactory for the first time again

[cursive topaz]

Don’t yall love a good afk session

6 full containers of aluminum plate thingies

In about 16 hours

Tbf I didn’t leave it paused cus I wasn’t going to be at my computer for a whole day

I mean I have 275 hours now when like 120 are afk for sure

Nahhh imma do my own thing

[hard wolf]

portals are the bee's knees :3

[cursive topaz]

Im sure they are phase 5 enjoyer

Don’t those use like alien power augmeners? Or smth like that

[hard wolf]

the juice is very worth the squeeze

[hard wolf]

singularity cells, which use 1 nuclear pasta/m to make 10/m

[cursive topaz]

Dear God, taking thr ficsit motto to the max

[hard wolf]

that's why Pasta Town's logo is a pasta

[cursive topaz]

Explore construct build and exploit right

[hard wolf]

c̴͑̈́̔͝ ̷̛͂͐͠ơ̴̾̈́̓ ̸͂́͋͗n̶̍̀̕͠ ̵̂̉̆̚s u ̽̓m̵̒͗̐͝ ̸̊͑̂͋e̵̼̪̤͐

[cursive topaz]

News on 1.2?

[rugged fog]

imagine the dev added npc

so i dont feel lonely

and spaceship to colonize another planet

[cursive topaz]

What about a no man’s sky and making a multiplayer portal

/hub

The British heard that

[rugged fog]

i mean

develop

[ivory condor]

Mew

[cursive topaz]

Who says I’m in the USA

[ivory condor]

Lucky

I on the other hand most suffer, help me

Give me mars over the usa please

[cursive topaz]

Dang if yall got off social media and stayed away from the big cities you’d realize the states aren’t that bad

[ivory condor]

Please help me basically

[cursive topaz]

Large amounts of people just get mean

[ivory condor]

I do, but its still bad regardless, no escape

[rich parrot]

Orange man is a disaster though. I would volunteer for Mars pioneering at this point.

[ivory condor]

Well can i have a ticket to mars i need

[ivory condor]

I agree, mars is looking pretty good right about now

[dense violet]

ah you're a subscriber of 'oh no! cities!' in the US

[lean fossil]

Does anyone have any tips for vertical blueprints?

[hard wolf]

you can put mergers/splitters on lifts, though if you're feeding that to/from a floor hole, adding a lift on the underside can (and does most of the time, ime) cause them to not link up properly, and you to have to reconnect it topside

[plain vessel]

im building ablueprint and it fucked up by having stairs go under the world, how can i remove the stairs under the ground?

[sterile blade]

You could travel below the ground to dismantle it (eg: blueprint with foundations as landing and a hypertube to cross the ground) or remove it with a save editor

[hard wolf]

my current nuclear plant plan needs a bit over 40k SAM but there's only a bit over 10k across all nodes x.x

[hard wolf]

or I can use 66 sloops to drop it down to just under 5k xwx (unless I remove the splurger that was overflowing plutonium rods :/)

[fiery root]

Fellas
Should i build a whole New factory just to get my t2 items done quicker?
Or should i just sit it out and get some smaller things done? I mean i wanna build a New one in t3 regardöess, because i doesnt have more space at my place

[dense violet]

you coudl go explore and get hard drives instead?

and tier 2 is like the pre tutorial, you'll likely want to rip everything up anywya after coal power

[fiery root]

Rip away? Isn't it better just relocating? So i still get the items out of it and with that a second income yk

[finite mirage]

where is the save file in a server

[dense violet]

well everything pre coal power tends to be so messy you really benefit from relearning things and tidying u0p

and you're forced to expand later anyway

[slender oxide]

is it worth it to build a 2nd floor for factories?

[dense violet]

sure?

[slender oxide]

cause i've seen people with like 4 stories for something and it looks really cool

[dense violet]

if it's useful it's useful

[strange vortex]

I thinked, Phase 4 will be harder. I did tier 8 faster than I thinked and I almost complete mini factory for 8# part for space elevator

[warped whale]

I like to build up at a factory. Like, smelters on the first floor, carry ingots to the 2nd floor and so on, the buildings are always nicer than the open air factories

[slender oxide]

ohhh

[copper crag]

can smn help me with coal gen i have 4 of them overclocked and i have 675MW but when i connecting them to my fabrics which has under 600MW they suddenly shut off sr for poor english

[dense violet]

post some overhead images in a post in #1038092680493801533

use photomode for hte images, press P

also post images of your power graph

[warped whale]

Running out of coal/water?

[copper crag]

no i have max coal and water in every gen

[fiery root]

Do u calculate the Power consumation of the generators with it?

And the water extractors

[lean fossil]

anyone know how to make a ramp conveyor blueprint

[dense violet]

you probably also want to include there some sketches of what you mean or trying to do. Or images.
cause ramp conveyor bp is a bit vague

[slender oxide]

how do you split 60 iron per minute by 4 if a splitter only has 3 splits?

trying to make 60 rods per min

[leaden matrix]

-# manifolllddd
But no you can put a splitter into 2 other splitters if you wanna load balance

[slender oxide]

so like this?

oh, yeah i forgot about no screenshots here

look in the screenshots channe

[dense violet]

like this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1456102935988539496/image.png?ex=69ed7009&is=69ec1e89&hm=3edf21d14b3e4fa406fe1f12a7318f8a8b5512e3a8d2007e8e452dbe306d642c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=358&height=300

[slender oxide]

ohhhh

[dense violet]

this evenly feeds your machines

[leaden matrix]

Yoooo I love manifolds :D

[dense violet]

what?? it will perfectly fill their machines

[slender oxide]

yeah thats basically what i did

i guess it just needs time to buffer eachother out

[dense violet]

yup, build the next part while it does that

or go do literally anything else

[leaden matrix]

Yeah ^^
Manifolds have spin up time and are ugly but are practically better in every other way compared to a beautiful perfect amazing load balancer

[slender oxide]

are manifolds whatever i did?

yaey

[leaden matrix]

Oh how I wish load balancing was better, its just so pretty

[slender oxide]

i miss DSP with the unloaded 😔

unloaders*

[dense violet]

it's because he is weak and his piping is an embarasement 😛

[slender oxide]

yeah undoubtably

3d factorio but with space

[dense violet]

his builds are boring and just big, and every time I see a video that includes piping of his there's somethign to cringe about

[slender oxide]

oh yeah that too

caps lock to warp, middle mouse button to move

[lean fossil]

like...a conveyor ramp...that goes...down..uh...yeah

[dense violet]

so go into #design-and-architecture and do a quick sketch or image of what you're trying to do and not quite getting 🙂

[lean fossil]

done i guess-

[dense violet]

I mean I still like my #1265803664891580539 message
that was interesting to do. But honestly there's any number of people on this server over the years that builds more interestingly than kibitz

it's not a high bar. and ... the piping.

[slender oxide]

tbh, the only factory games i have played are DSP, Shapez2, Microtopia, and Mindustry (if that even counts tbh),

oh and obviously satisfactoryu

broooo

im on the 3rd floor and i realized i messed up my math

i have 2 smelters, which means 60 iron

well, 4 but these 2 are for one part

those 60 iron per min are going to be completley used for rods

cuz im trying to make structuresw

er, modular frames

but i was hoping to get 4 assemblers making it

but it needs but obviously it needs 60 per min

and i need to split the last 2 for plates and screws

2 screw assemblers= 80, and i need 120 if i want to make 10 modular frames

dawg i just research coal power i didnt even know that was a thing

[fluid sapphire]

stitched plate go brr

[slender oxide]

ughhhh im so bad at math

[fluid sapphire]

i used to have none, but my desire to have every material restock is greater than my dislike for screws - damn you, awesome shop

so i produce a small handful just for that

lmao i would get nothing done without a production planner

[slender oxide]

lowk ima just use the clanker

my brain doesnt wanna comprehend this right now, its literally gonna be 3 am rn lol

[fluid sapphire]

whatever for, use sftools or something

gives us the power to easily eliminate screws, gets mad when we do

there is no wrong way to play the game, except the way that eliminates screw production

makes two of us, my buildings are pretty mediocre

i got tired of fighting like 1000 hours ago xd

so i only kill stuff thats in my way

[dense violet]

just build swamp infrastructure. Buildings on pylons

build some powered buildigns so the spiders go away due to the noise 😛

I like spiders. They do a good job

[fiery root]

What can i get inside caves?

[fluid sapphire]

iron, diamonds, cobwebs uhhhh

coal

[fiery root]

Who is sam?

[dense violet]

Hi, I'm Sam

[fluid sapphire]

samuel L jackson

[fiery root]

Sam is no fellow pioneer?

Well alright

Couldnt even participate in it without permission from ada

[fluid sapphire]

what are they gonna do, fire you?

[fiery root]

She replaces me with a truck.

[leaden turret]

-# cough @grave burrow cough

[plain marten]

when is 1.2 releasing

[torpid estuary]

there wouldn't be anyone here who knew their way around strudel.cc would there? I'm trying to recreate the Me and My Gold Cart Song from Satisfactory or rather the ||golden factory cart|| version

[orchid zinc]

Is it overkill to build 2400 mw worth of coal plants (4 t2 coal miners on normal nodes) when im on tier 4? I see that the next tier has oil power

[plain marten]

yes

[orchid zinc]

hmm okay

[orchid zinc]

Why is it overkill? Its like im planning on lifting a heavy ass stone when the next milestone i can lift a pebble, sort of thing?

[plain marten]

oil power is much more efficient and its easy to set up a small fuel-powered plant that you can then use to build a mega power plant that supplies orders of magnitude more power

[orchid zinc]

Makes sense, thank you

[twin parcel]

hmm why the purple slug didnt produce 10 shards immediately when slooped?

[fluid sapphire]

you can do both, its fine

people build coal power at varying scale

[hearty flame]

i think you need to run one through first before the sloop efect takes place

[fluid sapphire]

i built 8 generators at first, then expanded to 16 before getting oil power. some people even build 64

[twin parcel]

did they fix the dup bugs?

[fluid sapphire]

dont think so

something about blueprints and vehicles i hear

[twin parcel]

nvm , the dup didnt work because there is another happening in the same time on exp 1.2

u could say the dev used the bugs to destroy the bugs .

[sharp creek]

guys what to do if i suddenly get a death crate and i have keep inventory on, and the death crate is under the map?

[twin parcel]

ur cooked lil bro

[sharp creek]

🥀

[normal orbit]

use scim to get it back

[sharp creek]

whats scim

[dense violet]

reload autosave

[sharp creek]

only problem

i had just noticed it after 45 minutes

[dense violet]

eh, you can always recreate all your gear.
also save regularly and have lots of autosaves

[sharp creek]

alhamdulilah atleast i didnt lose any hard drives or mercers or somer

oh wait what

i found the death crate some random place under a cave

i dont remember going there even, and i have keep inventory on

[earnest condor]

Hard Drives are infinite.

[fast hamlet]

why is it that whenever i left click it makes a temporary ping noise and marker

[earnest condor]

Because you alt-tabbed instead of tab-alting.

And your alt key is stuck.

If you just press alt again it should fix it.

[fast hamlet]

thx

[earnest condor]

💛

[abstract heron]

Hiya chat

[orchid pollen]

A long time Pioneer?

[abstract heron]

I am the person who loves the factory

[earnest condor]

I was removed.

[ebon marten]

they arent, there are more than what you currently need but that doesnt mean they are infinite

[abstract heron]

Still making 100 nuclear pasta per
Minute

[earnest condor]

Check the AWESOME Shop and then change your mind. 😉

[south canyon]

Satisfactory macOS native when

[fluid sapphire]

@hasty mango not what you want to hear probably but its easier to decorate if you consider layout while building - not to say you cant decorate something like that, you could try making it look more supported, then create some shapes around all the structures

[south canyon]

Isn’ the ps5 BSD/UNIX based? So theoretically there’s already some experience in porting to Linux

I love apple

:sob

[fluid sapphire]

@supple canopy #screenshots message
hey i think that works OK

[south canyon]

No, seriously, their stuff has so much thought out into it and they make th
E fastest cpus in the world

Prolly move to #off-topic-general by now

True, no

[quiet summit]

hello everyone 👋

[lean fossil]

THEORITCALLY IT SHOULD BE POSSIBLE TO PUT EVERY SINGLE ITEM IN THE GAME INTO ONE DIMENIONAL DEPOT USING THE POWER OF SUSHI AND OVERFLOW SMART SPLITTERS RIGHT?

[sly delta]

wouldn't be the smartest idea but yeah, theoretically it is possible

[fluid sapphire]

dont think so, as soon as you hit the cap for one item, the system will be locked up until that item is out of the way

given you cant attach smart splitters directly to depots, and even if you could, there is still their internal buffer to deal with

[earnest condor]

Nope.

[lean fossil]

wha....

not even theoritically?

[lean fossil]

oh yeah right

[fluid sapphire]

i explain it above

[earnest condor]

Insane hit the nail on the head. The moment 1 item fills the entire system breaks.

[lean fossil]

no no I get it

[sly delta]

you're just gonna clog your belts by sending everything to a single depot instead of dedicating one belt for one item

[lean fossil]

but...what IF....I make my friend left click every 6 seconds on the dimensional depot.

to take out the excess items

[sly delta]

defeats the purpose of a dimensional depot

[lean fossil]

Evil but would be THEORITCALLY possible right

[earnest condor]

Then you're a bad friend.

[lean fossil]

True

I must find a way to put everything in one depot I hate having depots EVERYWHERE

[fluid sapphire]

there isnt one

[earnest condor]

There's enough spheres to build like 200 depots for some reason.
They are not a limited resource.

[sly delta]

just place one at the end of each factory

but don't use them as containers

[earnest condor]

What if the factory makes more than 1 item?
Still placing ONE at the end? 😉😏

[sly delta]

place one at each factory that produces a certain item

if you make screws and plates, place one for each of those

[earnest condor]

I think you and most people are defining the word "factory" differently.

[sly delta]

depends on how you set up stuff. If I want to build a factory, I'll focus on one item, not one item + an overflow of others

[earnest condor]

Who said anything about overflow?

[fluid sapphire]

sometimes it makes sense to just have multiple production lines in one factory

[earnest condor]

And you're saying you have a single location that builds Iron Plates and nothing else?

[sly delta]

no ?

[earnest condor]

Iron Plate is one item.

[fluid sapphire]

its being shipped to my world to make beams and those are made into screws, then sinked

[rough shore]

🤮

[brazen fulcrum]

Just completed phase 3 and Im kinda in a rut. Do you guys continue your factories that you already have running, or break them down and repurpose them? I know I need to expand greatly, its seems like a lot lol

[fluid sapphire]

why break them

if you need more of a thing, go elsewhere to build more

buckle up, phase 4 is pretty bulky, take it one step at a time

[earnest condor]

👀

[white dawn]

To reinforce what INSANE said: leave your current stuff just as it is! Never touch it again! It'll still be providing building material for you, so it's doing its job. You can just build new factories for the new stuff. It's a huge map, with tons of resources. Get used to expanding outwards instead of centralizing. :)

The advice to take it one step at a time is also pretty useful. Pick something you haven't automated yet, automate it, repeat. (And take a break to explore for awhile if you're getting burnt out on factory building.)

IMO it helps to get into an "Independency" mindset where you do every factory from ore->product. It means that you're making the same resources in a bunch of different factories, but it's the same amount of "factory" either way, and this way it's a much smaller problem to deal with each time

Once you're into Phase 4+5, sometimes it helps to break stuff down into "sub-factories." Like I may have a "factory" which makes Assembly Director Systems, but it's geographically dispersed over a somewhat wide area, with littler factories making individual components for it or whatever (though those factories are still just done ore->product, specifically for that one purpose)

[barren mica]

but i dont get why you cant build factory for everything

it pisses me off

[brazen fulcrum]

That actually makes a lot of sense. I was looking at it differently, but that helps

[white dawn]

I mean, you can, so long as your PC can deal with having all that production in one place. :D

I'm just recommending what IMO is a far simpler/easier way to manage your production. Centralizing in one location ends up creating a lot more challenges than it solves, IMO

[barren mica]

is there gonna be enough ore to make everything at once tho like i wanna craft everything in the game

[white dawn]

If you're centralizing, you'd definitely have to be carting in resources from around the map, sure

No matter how you build you'll have to figure out long-range logistics. :)

[fluid sapphire]

its the same amount of raw resources independent of whether you are doing it in the same location, or dispersed around the map

[barren mica]

so there IS enough ore to make anyhting, and of course all around the map

[white dawn]

In terms of "how much material is there on the map," you really have to specifically try very hard to literally exhaust resources. There's a lot more of stuff on the map than people realize

I'd wager few players end up using up more than like 20% of the map's resources

[fluid sapphire]

naturally there are enough resources to do just about everything

[unkempt blade]

did somebody say car... oh cats are good too I guess

[white dawn]

The one potential exception is SAM; if a player decides to go in on Ficsonium, that can eat up SAM really quickly

[fluid sapphire]

you really only run into those resource bottlenecks for post-game stuff, and that point you probably already know what you are doing

[unkempt blade]

that doesn't make it more clear! both purr!

[white dawn]

But yeah, the map is huge, and even the "rare" resources are far more plentiful than practically anyone needs, unless you're very specifically doing a "megaproject" type thing

[high kiln]

I CAN FIND COAL NEAR EATER

WATER. AAAAAAAAAAA

[earnest condor]

Where are you?

[high kiln]

Idk the plains map

[normal orbit]

you can? whats the problem then :p

[white dawn]

Follow your resource scanner north/northwest

[fluid sapphire]

grass fields?

[earnest condor]

Go north.
Massive lake with 4 coal nodes next to it.

[high kiln]

I cant

[high kiln]

4? YES SIR PLEADE

[white dawn]

The convenient coal-power areas are probably a good 1km or so from the Grass Plains starting points

[high kiln]

Thank you

[white dawn]

Coal power is one of the first (of many!) nudges that the game will be giving you to expand and start building factories elsewhere

[earnest condor]

Just scan for coal and follow the pings that are North/NorthWest.

[fluid sapphire]

#screenshots message

[high kiln]

Yea i saw one 1.5k km away but i was lazy to walk that far so i checked out the other 2

[fluid sapphire]

that one is a prime spot

[white dawn]

I'd just recommend getting used to expansion. :)

[earnest condor]

Or spoil it with a blatant map shot 🤷‍♂️

[white dawn]

Sooner or later 1.5km is gonna feel like a stroll down the block!

[high kiln]

Wdym

[high kiln]

Huh 😭 😭

[fluid sapphire]

suppose we consider different things spoilers, i was under the impression they had some some looking around already

[high kiln]

Its okay its.not reallt much of a spoiler

[white dawn]

I mean that the game is going to be frequently encouraging you to expand outwards. It's a huge (and beautiful!) map with a ton of resources. You'll outgrow Grass Fields sooner or later. :)

[earnest condor]

Given the baseline amount of iron on the map is 74k per minute... You'll be fine 💛

[fluid sapphire]

regardless, if you are on this channel, spoilers are unavoidable

[high kiln]

The game is the same on other maps or is there diff recipes and resources n stuff

[minor rock]

maybe we should add an ai helper to the discord to censor potential spoilers

that would prob fix it good

[earnest condor]

There is only 1 map, with 4 starting areas.

[white dawn]

There's only one map, with four different starting areas. It's like 6km by 7km. :)

[fluid sapphire]

it wouldnt, it would suck the life out of this channel

[high kiln]

Ohhhhh

I see

[minor rock]

well i woulnd stop making me panic attack whenever i see a spoiler tbh

[fast hamlet]

They adding new maps

[earnest condor]

GF is bottom-left, RD is top-left, NF is "middle" basically, and DD is top-right.

[white dawn]

No

[minor rock]

kinda need something monitoring the screen at all times and putting black bars over stuffs tbh

[earnest condor]

Took them 6+ years to make the current one, so the strong bet is "no."

[white dawn]

It's not impossible that they might eventually do a huge DLC or "Satisfactory 2" or something with a new map, but the chances of new maps in the current Satisfactory game are extraordinarily slim

[fluid sapphire]

i have been on servers that use bots with keyword filters to remove messages without spoiler tags, its incredibly annoying

[earnest condor]

It would be more sensible to just make Satis2 than purely make a new map.

[barren mica]

what the hell hows that possible

the map is that big???

[white dawn]

(Though they have not yet announced their long-term plans, so who knows? It's possible they've even started working on a new map or something. But as mentioned, the current one took 6 years, so....)

[white dawn]

Yeah, it's like 6km by 7km, as I say. It's huge.

[earnest condor]

Map is 8.4km x 8.3km ish.
So yes.
Also mk3 miners go brrrrrr.

[minor rock]

tbh a dlc would make more sense to me 🤷‍♂️

[fluid sapphire]

it starts feeling smaller once you have decent traversal options

[earnest condor]

Only feels smaller with hyper-bug-exploit-cannons that shouldn't exist imo 🤷‍♂️

[fluid sapphire]

i travel 3km between sites on a regular basis and it feels like a short walk

[fluid sapphire]

i dont even use any of those

and it still feels smaller than it used to

just blade runners, jetpack, trains

[white dawn]

Yeah, familiarity will inevitably make it feel a bit smaller, too. :D

[fluid sapphire]

you really hate fun i see, what was your problem with the hover pack again?

[earnest condor]

I don't. But glad to mark that down as your official opinion of me 👍

[white dawn]

Would you complain that someone playing a sport and following the rules "hates fun" just because they're following the rules of the sport? :)

[minor rock]

yeah like fr this guy doesnt want ai in the game, such a buzz kill. im glad you agree with me

honestly maybe we could ai overlay on the game so the map feels dynamic and new with diff textures and fogs and stuff like that

that way it feels even bigger

[fluid sapphire]

if we are talking about a rule that wasnt initially a rule, then got implemented as an official rule and the player doesnt like other people taking advantage of this new rule, yes

[white dawn]

I mean, if you want to make a mod which incorporates AI in some capacity, you're welcome to try. Fortunately the devs seem the sorts to not want that kind of shit in the game. :)

[minor rock]

idk how to do a modding stuff or something like that. so im hoping soon someone else will 🙂

better yet the game dev become convince my genius and do it themself

satis cool game if it was a world ina sphere and u goto other planets an shit

[fluid sapphire]

cannons are an option, being against more options seems anti-fun to me

[minor rock]

that fire stuff

[white dawn]

I don't generally use cannons either, but IMO it's more fun to keep the map "bigger." Air cannons honestly do take away something about the game for me.

I don't "hate fun" because I don't use cannons. I like having fun and cannons literally take away some of the fun for me

[earnest condor]

Ah, so you believe I am anti-fun because you assume my motive is anti-option. That would be the disconnect.

[white dawn]

I've not never used cannons; I've had a save or two where I've given them a try. But in the end I don't like them.

[minor rock]

u arent making fast enough cannons then

an ai helper in game could get u faster cannons so it feels good liek that way it should

ur prob building them wrong tbh

[white dawn]

Well, maybe go troll around the modding Discord with that, then. Kind of tiresome in here, tbh

The devs aren't going to be adding AI shit to the game, so 🤷

[minor rock]

why say that? do you have a source or they say it in a podcast or something

[white dawn]

(I mean, apart from ADA's AI shit that she gives the Pioneer when we're not being productive enough. )

[earnest condor]

My issue is with hypocrisy@fluid sapphire .

When drones were first added to the game, the devs directly addressed the "Flyable Drone when?" question and said "We believe being able to fly a drone would make the map feel too small."

Yet those same people are perfectly fine with Hypercannons and Teleportation allowing you to cross the map instantaneously.