satisfactory

[untold moat]

given that you use a lot of sulfur in the production, I would guess very acrid

[smoky forge]

omg sulfur

OOOOH
powaaaaa

ive been craving for more sulfur on the map

[ornate saffron]

Sulfuric acid wells when!

[earnest condor]

When was it not stable?

[stuck canopy]

is it possible to manualy choose what recipe to use in satisfactory tools calculator?

[smoky forge]

[smoky forge]

you can rat out the ones you dont want

[ornate saffron]

Tab on the left to choose what recipes to include. It always shows the maximum output vs minimum input. Youll have to turn off recipes you don't want

[ornate saffron]

I would use acid recipes more if this was a thing

[smoky forge]

yeah no not me

[silent root]

bro iam just asking why so series about it?

[smoky forge]

the only recepie that would bw worth it is cat.

[earnest condor]

I am now confused...

[smoky forge]

bc iron only has a 1.222222% increase

on efficiency

[stuck canopy]

ya i know its less efficient but steel rotors and stator just go along so fine

[smoky forge]

and copper is better pure anyways

with a 2.5x multiplier

[ornate saffron]

to each there own ^_^

[earnest condor]

Copper Alloy my beloved.

[stuck canopy]

a single manifold (without a suchi belt) making 2 parts? but yea

[ornate saffron]

Oh , i get it. the nice ratios and ease of building at the cost of resources.

All recipes are tools you choose the ones you like for the situation

[reef basin]

honestly, it's not as good as people make it seem like 🙂 but yeah, it's your choice, and you can disable other options to force tools to use the recipe you want

[worn oar]

I wish satisfactory modeler would automake the line of machines for you like every other tool

[plucky bone]

If I am feeding the converter 1 input can I split the input between both input belts? like 10 and 10 in the front for 20 in the machine?

[exotic frigate]

110 gw from 2475 oil/m is crazy

[ornate saffron]

With diluted fuel /dpf and hor its 10gw for every 300 oil

[plucky bone]

It is. I used 300 crude to get 72000 MW. Had to place 120 gens.

(Crazy)

[exotic frigate]

My current limitation is belt speed. I need to do aluminum stuff before I can make my big upgrade

[ornate saffron]

I made my 20gw fuel barge in phase 3. You just have to use smaller manifolds

[worn oar]

barre;

real barre

[exotic frigate]

Its not the manifolds, is the miner outputs. To get 110gw, I need ~1600 sulfur. I cannot get that with just the nodes nearby and tier 4 belts

Besides I already have a huge powerplant there using the normal recipes, so im in no rush

[ornate saffron]

Ah, gotcha.

[exotic frigate]

Id rather do it right with the upgraded belts than need to retrofit more in later

[ornate saffron]

For thay much sulfer I hope you are getting 144gw though.

[exotic frigate]

Im putting my planner in screenshots

#screenshots message

[ornate saffron]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KiMC2ajn9OooWeQnWG3csgfZwU5j11qRiBTSdGtKUNs/edit?usp=drivesdk

This is what I do

[exotic frigate]

Ah yes, I cant do rocket fuel yet. I may be able to once I get my aluminum stuff done though

So I might just skip straight to rocket fuel

[worn oar]

I suspect they located the sulfur like this to encourage infrastructure development; trains and trucks.

[ornate saffron]

A lot of ppl do

[exotic frigate]

Well i can still do all of this and get 5500 rocket fuel/m

Hmm 526 generators

Thats 328 gw

[rapid cypress]

almost finishing my first play! just 100 ballistic warp drive to go and 200 biochemical sculptor, 230 hours of playtime

a lot of time lost dont knowing what to do next, and remaking my train lines

[wise junco]

fackory

[rapid cypress]

but i feel now that the kittens and puppies will be safe

[shy temple]

There are always more puppies and kittens. The more you do, the more you save!

There is nothing more rewarding than a job well done, so be sure to do a good job every day, there is nothing better that one can do.

I recommend for next time, do what I am going to do. Try building with more pre-planning for future unlocks. I want to have more internal train lines and roads. I want to do the ecumenopolis style building for my next where I have a lowest level of rail moving components around, then there is a street level and above that is a utility level for factories.

I want to have more modular blueprints to block together factories like lego

[rapid cypress]

i learnt a lot on this session, dont know if after completing this make a new one with all the things i learned, or continue the play

[supple canopy]

the random nodes will add a lot to replayability imo, I can't wait to finish my current playthrough to try it out

[shy temple]

I enjoy starting new ones with embracing my older ones learning. And of course the random nodes will do a lot

[gleaming wasp]

they're adding random nodes?

[rapid cypress]

yeah, im playing in 1.2, but started the session on 1.1, so not random nodes or multipliers

[shy temple]

Just because I don't fancy the frustration of trying to rebuild old stuff.

[supple canopy]

yea currently in experimental

[gleaming wasp]

oh that sucks

[rapid cypress]

what i loved a lot of the 1.2 are the daisy chaining and the truck paths

[supple canopy]

it'll soon be live anyways

[gleaming wasp]

random quantities/purity as well?

[shy temple]

Yup

[gleaming wasp]

or just random locations

[shy temple]

There is enough protection to keep from soft locking, but it randomizes what existings are.

[rapid cypress]

you can adjust all of that options, if you donty like it can put it as default

[shy temple]

SO will still be same node locations, just randomize where they are.

SO never know. You might start on top of Uranium and have to really hunt for that sam. who knows?

[supple canopy]

on a first playthrough I'd advise against doing random nodes anyways, the map and nodes location were carefully thought and balanced for the logistics learning curve not to be too harsh for new players

[shy temple]

Well, they did say they have 230 hours and doing some end game production so...

[rapid cypress]

yes, i think my next play will still be with default, still debating myself

as in this i didnt go nuclear

[shy temple]

Oh, then definitely go nuclear!

[supple canopy]

oh yea I've been playing around with the truck paths a lot #design-and-architecture message

[rapid cypress]

yeah, im dangerously on 32GW

[shy temple]

What GrandDaddyPurple has really showing what I find for replay. Incorporating visual appeal into the builds

That said, the snap to grid building I cannot do because visible clipping frustrates me. XD

[exotic frigate]

Ill probably do an all pure node run after my current one

Ill unlock all the alt recipes and mam stuff out the gate ig

[high furnace]

Hey guys so I have a issue, I'm at the "end" of phase 3, I now need to build the factories to finalize the phase but I figured out i needed resources that were very far and conveyors start looking bit out of place.

So the only solutions are trucks and trains.

But I tried to look stuff on youtube and damn idk if the videos are just utterly bad but the whole thing seems so unbelievably annoying and overwhelming for no reason.

So i'm wondering, is there actual videos that explain the things clearly without talking for 25 whole minutes about train track placement (When what you wanna know is how efficient it is to convert transfer / min from belts to have huge loads of resources at once, how does it work when you want to have two trains cross the same path etc etc)

[exotic frigate]

I dont like exploring :(

Train throughput is unfortunately a lot of math

You can read more on the wiki

[high furnace]

Ngl i'm really trying to chill so i'm not gonna read the wiki or any other long and complex documentation, I wanna watch a video that explain things the simplest way possible

[earnest condor]

Max train throughput is a lot of math.
If you're fine with limiting the amount per car to 1 belt, it is simplified.
Not recommended, but simplified.

[exotic frigate]

Honestly, just do what seems fun to you. 1.2 stable is coming up and it makes trucks a lot better to path

[high furnace]

Yeah but tbh trucks are horrible visually

I really wanna give trains a chance, and I play on 1.2 so i have new truck paths

[exotic frigate]

Not if you have decent roads :3

[high furnace]

That's the thing, I really wanna do trains but trains requires A LOT of building and time to make so I dont wanna build something that doesnt work bc I didnt understand how things work at first

[earnest condor]

Trucks, my beloved, are not horrible 😭

[high furnace]

They are 500x uglier than trains i'm sorry xd

[exotic frigate]

I recommend start simple. A loop with two stations.

[high furnace]

I need quartz and coal nodes which are both at two different areas of the map so i'd need two trains for that :C

[earnest condor]

You are demoted from "friend" to "acquaintance" for your meanie-mean-meaner words 😭

[exotic frigate]

Well start with one first, then so the other when youre more comfortable and have a good system down

[high furnace]

So do i build two separate train tracks and 4 stations ?

[rapid cypress]

you can connect the train networks

[worn oar]

Hating on trucks is wild and will be even more wild in 1.2

[supple canopy]

it's honestly not bad unless you're systematically trying to input two belts close to their max capacity into a single freight car. Otherwise it's just a matter of adding another train / split into another freight car

[worn oar]

They fixed most of the issues already

[earnest condor]

More cars on a single train is better than more trains until your travel time is approaching 8 minutes or higher.

[high furnace]

I never used them simply bc of how bad they look and I wanna use trains

[earnest condor]

*Roughly

[worn oar]

Valid

[earnest condor]

True beauty is on the inside 😭

And how trucks can throughput more than trains can.

[supple canopy]

you mean how the truck look? You don't even like the tractor or the explorer? Or the factory cart?

[high furnace]

The resources i'm tryna get here is 4 pure coal nodes at 480/min each and 3 quartz nodes at 480/min aswell

[shy temple]

Train throughput is easy. Two outputs, two inputs. Fastest belt is fastest throughput

If train not keeping up? Add a new train

[earnest condor]

^ no

To all of that

[worn oar]

Technically trucks can only transport 2 belts worth at once because that's the max rate you can fill a station

[shy temple]

Why not? Works fine 😄

[supple canopy]

a truck can be 10 belts

[earnest condor]

trucks can only transport 2 belts

Which is how they beat trains, as trains are incapable of transporting 2 belts.

[worn oar]

You ignored what I said

[shy temple]

They can transport two belts. And they can do multiple two belts.

[high furnace]

Guys don't fight all i wanted was a quick and simple answer allright, didnt want to start a war xd

[dim ferry]

started a war

[earnest condor]

They cannot do 2 belts per platform.
It is physically impossible no matter how much you buffer.

[shy temple]

Train, loading six cars of two belts each. As long as you have a passing lane or run bi directional, you can run as many trains as you want on a line too.

[supple canopy]

yea two belt worth at max capacity yea

[worn oar]

Can't you do more than one freight platform at once or am I misremembering? Been a while since I used trains

[shy temple]

Yuppers. Can do many.

My friend once for fun ran 30 cars

[earnest condor]

Ok, if you get more than 1 train platform, I get more than 1 truck stop.
And since every truck stop can beat every train platform... trucks still win for throughput.

[wise junco]

Hewwo

[shy temple]

It is all variable. Trains run on electricity. Trucks run on fuel. Trucks you can use terrain for roads. Trains can run much faster on rails.

It all comes down to setup.

[supple canopy]

electricity runs on checks notes

[earnest condor]

Speed is largely irrelevant as throughput is what matters.
But on that note: FASTER trains have lower throughput due to being faster.

[simple pebble]

Because longer time spent unloading, right?

[earnest condor]

Indeed.

[high furnace]

Aight i'll come back later i'll do a pause for now lol

[supple canopy]

percentage of time in the roundtrip yea

[simple pebble]

Yeah.

[supple canopy]

which is also why adding more trains in the same route also reduces max throughput

[earnest condor]

The reason they cannot match trucks gets worse the faster you make them go.

[shy temple]

There is the train loading time. But that is where car discussion can fit in too. So the maximum capacity is the load time vs the total trip time to determine maximimum number of cars on a line.

[earnest condor]

Trucks don't have a lockout timer.

[worn oar]

They used to be horrible for this but seem to have mostly fixed it recently

[shy temple]

Yet. 1.2 they have a loading animation

[earnest condor]

Which is not a lockout timer.

[simple pebble]

Yeah I was gonna check if that was the case in 1.2

so it's not? That's huge

[earnest condor]

The problem with trains is not their animation.
It is the station being locked during the animation.

[shy temple]

Oh, that is what you mean.

[worn oar]

Satisfactory saddest factory

[shy temple]

Yeah, not able to interface with station during the animation cycle is annoying or moving the train.

[rigid mist]

who else remembers alien carapace and alien organs

[shy temple]

I do

[simple pebble]

Yeah, I was scared to have 1200 water through a fluid truck stop because of a potential lockout (probably still a bad idea though lol)

[shy temple]

I remember before there was pipes

[earnest condor]

It's not annoying, it's what stops trains from being uncontested best --- which is GOOD balance design.

[high furnace]

Wait one quick question before I go, idk if it's since 1.2 but whenever i try to quit satisfactory, wether it's force close or steam close, the game is always displayed as "running" on steam, so I cant launch it anymore.

It doesn't appear in the task manager and the only way to actually start playing again is to task manager shutdown steam and start it again, is this a known bug caused by 1.2 or is it something else ? (Only happens on that game)

[earnest condor]

I remember when the dune desert was white.

[supple canopy]

who else remembers color cartridges and 100 stack-sized-concrete

[rigid mist]

me

[worn oar]

I mean technically belts are the best possible because they always send as much thoroughput as they can. It's just too much work to really be worth it

[earnest condor]

I miss the color gun.

[rigid mist]

flower petals my beloved

[shy temple]

Fun fact, a discussion a few days ago, I looked up old convos on discord. I was the first person ever to call it a 'manifold' XD

[earnest condor]

Trucks match belts exactly.

[shy temple]

And so can trains, so if one wants to use em, they should. Plenty of fun to be had.

[earnest condor]

No, trains cannot.

We just had this conversation...

[shy temple]

Simply put, if train cars are emptying station before it can be filled, then it is matched.

[earnest condor]

Which is not the full amount of a belt...

[exotic frigate]

Im using trains because im going across the map and roads are cool

[shy temple]

If belt isn't stopping, then mathematically it is. Means that the train is moving more along the line than belt can fill. Same as with trucks.

[earnest condor]

🤦‍♂️ Why is this so difficult for you to just say:
"I love trains, they are amazing, I admit they have lower throughput than trucks but they make up for it in adaptability and simplicity."

[normal orbit]

its just semantics really. with trains you can fairly easily just have one belt per platform, absolutely no need to use both input/outputs.

[reef basin]

if it's one belt to one platform, why not?

[earnest condor]

Already covered that wayyyyy earlier.

[supple canopy]

unless you're closing in on belt's capacity

[reef basin]

I just got here 🤷

[shy temple]

Well, simplicity is trucks. I use them to consolodate resources myself. I take them to central hubs. Cause only need station and can make roadways easily on the ground.

[reef basin]

obv you cannot get two full belts for trains

[earnest condor]

And you are fully aware trains cannot match trucks at capacity.

[normal orbit]

no you can have one belt per platform easily, its two belts which is impossible

[shy temple]

Mathematically how come?

[earnest condor]

LOCKOUT TIMER

[reef basin]

in some sense of comparing, I guess a more accurate would be "one truck to one freight car"

[earnest condor]

Yes.

[shy temple]

Why not? If you have two mk 6 belts, would they fill faster than a train can? Oh wait. I never looked. So they stop filling the station while train is loading?

[earnest condor]

But moreso "one truck stop to one train platform" @reef basin

[shy temple]

Oop, if that is the case.. I never looked before.

[supple canopy]

If you're using a ISC as buffer you're using both inputs. With no buffer you have the same issue

[normal orbit]

yes you have to buffer

which is why one belt is ok, two is not

[earnest condor]

Buffer is required, but still cannot match 2 belts, yes.

[shy temple]

Two train cars then. Still like the detail that it stops loading the station while train is there. Moar train cars! Bigger trains!

Or do belts directly 🙂

[earnest condor]

If you get 2 cars, I get 2 truck stops and I still win in terms of throughput potential.

[plucky bone]

Noone mentioned distance. Take a truck across the map...

[earnest condor]

My longest truck route is 11 minutes and 43 seconds 😄

[shy temple]

Yup, with lockout like you said. But need more trucks due to speed and the fueling and distance.

[earnest condor]

Speed makes things worse.

[shy temple]

howso?

My main line hits close to 150kph

[earnest condor]

I'm going to leave now because this is the second time "we literally just had this conversation" and I do not wish to become clinically depressed due to your active choice to ignore previous information from less than 5 minutes ago.

[normal orbit]

120km/h is max speed on flat tracks, you can only go faster downhill

[exotic frigate]

Im collecting bauxite from every node on the map and putting it all in one factory. Should I use trains or trucks to deliver the bauxite?

[shy temple]

Which it does, at least on the direct route back. Don't plan on stopping!

[undone pelican]

im finally playing again now that1.1 is a thing and am about to hit fluids again are valves and pumps still buggy?

[supple canopy]

if a roundtrip is 1 minute (very fast), then 95% of that roundtrip will have a belt lockout because the lockout time is 27sec (*2 for input/output), which is terrible

[normal orbit]

no, but theres other bugs

[shy temple]

But end of the day, you can transport more than you can produce the the game. So it is a mixture of flavour and what is easier to build for you

[dapper cave]

Dude its so nice that building costs are fully refunded upon dismantling. Love that I dont have to worry about it and can just place stuff down, redo it later if I need to without losing resources

[undone pelican]

like what? for fluids?

[shy temple]

Absolutely agree Luna. I could never enjoy the game like I do if I couldn't experiment with building.

[reef basin]

never were

[shy temple]

Even if resources are technically infinite.

[earnest condor]

Are there games that don't? 😭

[dapper cave]

Yeah theres a few out there. Its annoying

[polar tapir]

how many miners mk.1 should i have for space elevator?

[earnest condor]

Zero.

[undone pelican]

yeah where was valves would reset headpressure

[reef basin]

as many as your production needs

[shy temple]

All the miners!

[earnest condor]

Been 8 years. I still have never automated Project Parts, and I probably never will 😄

[normal orbit]

some junction issues mainly and how pipes get bisected if building things on them.

[earnest condor]

Monkey emote is a bit... odd.

[shy temple]

But for your question, it is really about learning and experience. The improved MK miners of course is more yield, but require more power. So upgrade them as you need more and as your power plants can support.

Eventually you just build the higher MK miners from start because no reason not to

[earnest condor]

If you don't automate Project Parts because you need only a finite amount, you need zero miners for the Space Elevator. Not sure where the " 🐒 " comes in 🤷‍♂️

[reef basin]

well, given that valves are basically pointless to use, it's not a problem anyway

[undone pelican]

they acted like a check valve limiting flow to one way. very useful but you do u

[earnest condor]

Why would you need to limit flow?

[shy temple]

Valves help mitigate line pulsing. Essentially making pipe sections a mini buffer

[reef basin]

you never need to do that though

also, you'll still have backflow everywhere else

[earnest condor]

Valves are great for decoration though. I use them for that often.

[reef basin]

yeah, clip a pipe through it and it's great

[storm zephyr]

is there a way to make the build gun default to mk3 poles instead of mk1

[shy temple]

Where they help is because they are a flow rate. So when a machine cycles, it takes a sudden lump out of the line. So then valve lets it trickle back in instead of taking a sudden suction out, helping cut pulses.

[reef basin]

a loop will help much more with this

[dense violet]

build off a mk3

[earnest condor]

Sadly, no.
But if you place a mk3 and build a wire off it, it will default to a mk3.

[dense violet]

but also you will prob benefit from using mk1s, you get spider cabling real fast with higher mks

[normal orbit]

valves can be used to recycle waste water to the input, as one of the options to deal with it.

[dense violet]

what is this sorcery

[earnest condor]

If your pipes are full the suction is completely handled.

[reef basin]

though it's pretty unreliable as it still breaks if production stops

[earnest condor]

🧙‍♂️

[dense violet]

wb!

[normal orbit]

it doesnt if you build it right

[reef basin]

no matter how you build it, if production stops, the valve won't stop the freshwater and it fills up pipes

[earnest condor]

Now if you use pumps and the VIP junction, that issue is solved.

[reef basin]

insert "we don't do that here" meme

[normal orbit]

no? you can valve it so fresh water does not enter the waste pipe which doesnt break if production stops

[reef basin]

VIP junctions are not recommended nowdays

[earnest condor]

Why not? They work flawlessly.

Even on 1.2

[normal orbit]

#1483238453679231046 message works 100% of the time, no issues

[reef basin]

one thing is that they don't (for many people)
other thing is that it relies on "pipe black magic" and even McGalleon no longer recommends them

[earnest condor]

I would love to see the images of how people built them where they did not work.

[reef basin]

same as in pipe manual

we had look on those

possibly related to the pipe junction bug

[earnest condor]

Because if you do 2 pumps, and double-junction, it always works.

Only thing I can think to break with would be the standard MMDS errors.

-# Mods, Multiplayer, Dedicated Server

[whole robin]

Will 1800 quickwire per minute last me through the whole game

[earnest condor]

1 QW per minute will last you, so yes.

[reef basin]

no reason to plan for future. Build what you need now, build what you need later... later

[shy temple]

If you want to do a bus system, best thing to do is plan so you can expand it if you need to.

[dense violet]

I've seen people with identical seeming set up get mixed results xD

and someone a while back posted an interesting thread in reddit about evidence that having a different number of pipe segments leading up to a VIP can alter behaviour

[dense violet]

depends on your recipe choices

[reef basin]

if you want to do a bus system, be prepared that the game will throw sticks under your feet all the time

this really isn't game where bus is decent

[earnest condor]

I see through the lies of the Jedi, I do not fear the VIP, as you do. 😛

[dense violet]

look, I'm just saying there's a lot of black magic to them 😛

[shy temple]

One way to easily monitor if you have enough is the line monitors. Have a buffer container. If container filling, you have enough. If emptying, not enough. I like to ensure line out is full and that means you have enough.

[earnest condor]

Buffer containers 😭

[shy temple]

Yup, so you can tell you are going down. Line counters, etc. Some might do signs to note down max capacity.

Shame we cannot use containers for logic circuits.

[earnest condor]

Ok but counterpoint: Work in exact numbers. Never need to buffer anything because the amount supplied is the amount demanded.

[shy temple]

Surplus life, best life!

[earnest condor]

Ew.

[shy temple]

Mmm.... I love my lines full of screws. So visibly satisfying. All the bolts!

[earnest condor]

Surplus just sounds like you didn't plan.
Which runs counter to your "best thing to do is plan" statement.

[shy temple]

Though I also balance machines in factory buildings to keep lines flowing so I don't hear the constant start/stop

[dense violet]

busses 😢

[shy temple]

Yeah, plan so one can create more surplus

[earnest condor]

🇺🇸 Are those like the "public transit" myth vehicles other countries talk about? 😏

[shy temple]

Usually I will shut machines off, and adjust with underclock to keep them running consistently, then turn up to meet new demand with line monitors.

[whole robin]

Having surplus means you can simply branch off of one belt to send it where it's needed elsewhere

[shy temple]

I tend to independency with satisfactory, but other games I might do bus systems depending.

With satisfactory, I tend to build new systems with new new tiers and recipes while older systems become a supply for construction and sinks.

[earnest condor]

Counterpoint: Pick your targets and solve backwards so you know exactly how much to make.

Need Plates? Make line of Plates.
Need RIPs? Make NEW line of Plates specifically to feed RIPs. Do not touch previous line of Plates that is dedicated to filling storage.
Need Frames? Make NEW line of RIPs with a NEW line of Plates. Do not touch previous Plates or RIP lines that are dedicated to storage.

And so on, and so forth.

[shy temple]

Is kinda cool to revisit old town.

I think it is what I like most about satisfactory. The nodes are infinite, and space is plentiful.

Really there is no wrong way to play so long as you are progressing on your goals.

But I still cry a little at skybase building.

At least make it a cool tower! 😄

Oooh... I should do towers for my 1.2... Make a whole megastructure style factory.

[lean nexus]

Is it better to use batteries or a different kind a fuel for drones?

[dense violet]

whatever is convenient honestly

[shy temple]

Yup, whatever is best for what you have already built and can meet your demands.

[lean nexus]

If I shove masses of coal into it, and it has to travel accross the map, it will work?

[dense violet]

you should do an updated throughput test on drones with dif fuels 😛

[cinder wing]

yoh guys im using direct12 and when I get in a truck my game crashes does anyone knows about this?

[dense violet]

check out the wiki page to see the list of fuels it can use

[whole robin]

How far is it travelling

[earnest condor]

Hard limit is still usually less than 1 belt and just has the "here's how often you need a drone waiting to land to keep up with the stack-size-based hard limit."

[lean nexus]

Idk, I was gonna setup a battery plant, and then fly drones to whever needs batteries lol

I could just also use uranium fuel rods lol

[dense violet]

it's a good choice honestly

[lean nexus]

I was gonna say, it takes so much to make them, but then I need barely any

[dense violet]

(p.s. coal doesn't work on drones

[whole robin]

-# use plutonium fuel rods

[cold berry]

Phase 1-2 feels like one phase when you replay

[lean nexus]

I cant make plutonium fuel rods yet 😢

I still have to setup

• Supercomputers
• Fused Frames
• Turbo Motors

Well I need to setup Supercomputers before I can even unlock uranium fuel rods

[ornate saffron]

phase 4 is a big one !

[lean nexus]

I just finished 20/m radio control units, gonna use some of those elsewhere, which is why id like the drones setup

[ornate saffron]

fair.

I did everything is smal;l; independant factories this time. First focusing on pioneer needs and unl;ocking stuff

[lean nexus]

Thats kinda what I am doing, I havent built anything super big

[ornate saffron]

All I have left now is pasta and i JUST setup drones lol

[whole robin]

You should try it some time

[lean nexus]

I have built "big" but I like many "modular" factories rather than 1 huge one. Next playthough I might do everything in 1 place lol

[whole robin]

Making megastructures can be quite fun!
Though a majority of my time spent "building" the structure itself was spent on designing and redesigning blueprints 😅

Honestly were it not for the blueprint designer i probably would've quit by now

[lean nexus]

5 supercomputers/m uses so much caterium

[rapid cypress]

25 ballistic warp drive and i will finiiish, at least

the the remaining MAM research

thats like 3 or 4 researchs pending

[whole robin]

Are there any copper nodes nearby? Fused Quickwire can be quite helpful

[earnest condor]

Which recipes?

[lean nexus]

Actually its only 300/min caterium needed

[supple canopy]

with some alts you can use 0 caterium I think

[shy temple]

There are low raw import diversity recipes, but usually they are not quite as efficient as blend recipes

[lean nexus]

I need quickwire for High Speed Connectors and AI limiters atm, unless I should get the other super computer

[earnest condor]

OC Super my beloved.

[lean nexus]

Is OC Super better than normal Super?

[shy temple]

Is one thing I like about the blueprint system of how it ended up with new recipes taking advantage of more complex machinery than just being 'better'

[earnest condor]

Better is subjective.

[supple canopy]

lots of quickwire is manageable but if you use OC supercomputer and all the original recipes it's 0 caterium

[wise junco]

OC supercomputer 💯

[shy temple]

The iron only motors for example. Novel, but not necessarily better because of the amount of iron

[lean nexus]

OC Super Computer I can also take half of the current Radio Control Units I am making to make the 5/min super computers

I can do 10/m max with my current RCU production

[earnest condor]

OC without any originals 👍

[supple canopy]

radio connexion unit uses high speed contectors

[lean nexus]

I would just have to make Cooling Systems

[granite shard]

is there any way I can make FOV NOT go up and down with speed, like in hypertubes?

[earnest condor]

Actual, RCU is the only original I use. I sit corrected.

[unkempt blade]

the real secret to maximum efficiency is using as many screws as possible

[earnest condor]

OC Super + RCU + Crystal Comp

WHY?
Because Crystal Oscillator is 2:1 with Super Computer.

[lean nexus]

I have a setup now thats decent, I can up it to 10 oc supercomputer/m, I have a small fuel byproduct but nothing a generator cant handel

[granite shard]

Nevermind, I disabled transport camera tilt intensity and it looks fine now. For some reason this setting was making my fov go up to like 170 or something crazy whenever i was in a hypertube

[wise junco]

I just shot an explosive rebar at a Lizard Doggo

[lean nexus]

Idk how many is a good amount to make for Supercomputers cause I have never been this far in the game yet

[supple canopy]

you must have been devasted when they removed screws from the computer recipe

[earnest condor]

90

[lean nexus]

Really?

[supple canopy]

the poor guy dude it's his first playthrough 😭

[earnest condor]

I mean, 45?

[lean nexus]

I have been up to right before where I am at a long time ago, but I have never made it this far iirc

[whole robin]

You will probably only need like 15 supercomputers per min. Tops

[unkempt blade]

it's one of those biblical moments where the benevolent all knowing creators' plan may not be clear to me but they wouldn't put challenges like that into my life if they didn't know I could handle it by using more factory carts

[lean nexus]

Would it be worth it to somersloop the RCU output to get extra to make more super computers?

[earnest condor]

You need like 1/min of anything ever.
Going beyond that is "I want this done faster."

[earnest condor]

Worth is subjective to the individual.

[supple canopy]

in general, it's better to sloop the latest step

[earnest condor]

Nerd emote is a bit rude...

[worn oar]

Yeah me and my 1/min iron ore will be done with phase 0 soonTM

[earnest condor]

Ah 2 rude people.

[lean nexus]

Why?

[supple canopy]

if you sloop you RCU production to double supercomputer prod, you have to double your cooling system production

[reef basin]

because you double entire production

[lean nexus]

The cooling thing dont take that much tho

[unkempt blade]

I'm not really sure, I think it's just like an exclamation mark at the end of a sentence

[supple canopy]

while if you sloop supercomputer directly, you don't need to double anything

[lean nexus]

Im stupid lol

Didnt think of that

[unkempt blade]

I'm sure you have lots of other good qualities though!

[whole robin]

Mfw my 1 fuel per minute refinery makes me power less consistently than a geothermal generator

[supple canopy]

there are exceptions, maybe needs confirming but for things like ficsite ingots, it's better to sloop reanimated SAM constructors than the converters, it's the same results for dramatic power savings

[earnest condor]

This does not change the factual nature of what I said.

[whole robin]

If you are only making a single screw per minute, it will take you DAYS worth of playtime to finish 50 smart plates

[earnest condor]

Which still does not change the factual nature of what I said.

[unkempt blade]

I just like your example because you're using screws and not doing some wire nonsense

[placid stirrup]

Debating with 'Sisyphean Insurrectionist' is hilarious to me

[glossy fiber]

Trying to figure out sulfuric acid and the water loop is going to make me go insane

[earnest condor]

What's your end product?

[placid stirrup]

one of us
one of us

[glossy fiber]

Batteries rn, I got the water loop stuff to work on alumnium fine, I think. But sulfuric acid is kicking my ass

[whole robin]

Arguing with people on the internet is truly a Sisyphean task

[earnest condor]

There is no argument.
There is the fact. 🤷‍♂️

[glossy fiber]

I keep backing up on water and freezing production

[earnest condor]

Are you trying to loop the water back into the acid?

[glossy fiber]

yeahp

[earnest condor]

Option A: Avoid problem entirely by switching to Classic Battery (which costs less sulfur)

Option B: VIP junction

[glossy fiber]

Classic battery....? And also VIP junction...?

[earnest condor]

Battery alternate that takes sulfur ore instead of acid.

[whole robin]

The batteries are for drones, right?

[glossy fiber]

Great question, idk yet 🙂

[shy temple]

Can do packaging buffer, then can sink is one way. So if it backs up, you can send out to a sink. But that is the lazy way.

[earnest condor]

Pipe configuration that ensures recycled water has priority over fresh.

[unkempt blade]

supercomputers!

[placid stirrup]

Well they're certainly not for the ||Cybertruck||

[glossy fiber]

yeah, Ive seen that on reddit but I was trying to avoid sinking it

[glossy fiber]

I dont have any alternates 😭

[earnest condor]

Do the configuration I showed and you'll be fine.

[unkempt blade]

If someone is going that direction I'm not sure why they wouldn't just turn it into wet concrete or something. The power cost for the water is pretty trivial by the time you're doing anything that needs a loop

[glossy fiber]

My brother in Ficsit, what configuration did you show me? lol. Idk what a VIP junction is supposed to be

[shy temple]

Yeah, plenty of options. And that is it exactly. Comes down to complexity

[earnest condor]

I pinged you directly in #screenshots ...

[shy temple]

VIP is iirc, Valve in Pipe

[leaden turret]

read the manual pinned in #math-and-meta

[glossy fiber]

Oh, ping didnt make noise. lol

[shy temple]

*intersecting

[whole robin]

Man. Batteries are either used for vehicle fuel or (alternate) supercomputers 😭
If you aren't doing either, you don't have to make them

[earnest condor]

No valves. Pumps.

[unkempt blade]

it's a fun build though 😄

[supple canopy]

blender with vibrant yellow goo of course you have to make them

[supple canopy]

btw FICSIT HR wants to speak with you

[shy temple]

Aaah, a PIP

[earnest condor]

Sulfuric Acid and Instant Scrap is a great loop though.

[glossy fiber]

Whelp, they are gonna go for the drones at some point once those are working. atm I have a slightly fucky hydrogen bottle loop that is working with one

[placid stirrup]

Performance improvement plan?

[shy temple]

Pump intersecting pipe

[lean nexus]

Is making 50 cooling systems/min to have on hand necessary?

[supple canopy]

it's what I use for my aluminum plant. I use crystal purification to make the silica needed for the ingot. It's the best blender fest

[earnest condor]

Is anything in this game necessary? 😛

[shy temple]

Yes.

[glossy fiber]

Seeeeeee im in the middle of a dessert and trying to avoid another 1400m long water pipe

[supple canopy]

not really. You only need it to build late game buildings

[lean nexus]

I wouldnt say necessary, but I see they are used for turbo motors, and then a bynch of buildings

[shy temple]

Beat game using only manual mining when?

[earnest condor]

Just saying. It's 50 water for the acid to go to the Instant Scrap that outputs... 50 water.
Perfect loop.

[shy temple]

Wonder if somebody has done a no miner challenge. XD

[earnest condor]

Yes.

[whole robin]

What did i do? Encourage a pioneer to NOT needlessly automate a product

[earnest condor]

Hunter/Gatherer run doesn't allow miners.

[glossy fiber]

I mayyyy have a few blenders...

[earnest condor]

@glossy fiber step one: Delete all fluid buffers.

[supple canopy]

there's also all ores speedrun

[earnest condor]

No, I'm talking about the challenge run I invented 😄

[glossy fiber]

Those are just for the acid, they are working as intended rn with no problems

[earnest condor]

Your only source of ore is the deposits.
That has to get you to the Sink/Shop milestone.
Because while yes, you can craft/automate with deposits, once those run out your only source of items is random crap on the ground and what you can buy. And your only source of Coupon is Alien DNA.

So you literally have to hunt and gather your way through the game.

Was a very fun run.

[supple canopy]

ask ADA about it

[worn oar]

Who's finished the one machine per item challenge?

[dense violet]

so 1 water extractor?

and 1 power generator?

[supple canopy]

power generator don't produce item, barring NPP

[worn oar]

Per item, you can make as much power as you want

[earnest condor]

Oh, @dense violet I may ask you about vanilla circle methods.
Maybe. 😛

[dense violet]

eh, I'd count power as an item. Just uses very weird belts

[dense violet]

there's a variety depending on your needs 😛

[shy temple]

My friend sort of does that. Makes something, fills a container. Then makes a new item, fills a container.

AFK game completion

[placid stirrup]

I mean if you're only doing 1 machine per item you probably don't need all that much power anyways. Probably impossible but not by much?

[dense violet]

that kinda sounds like they don't want to play the game

[earnest condor]

Comprised of arcs.
Prefereably all of the same length and curve as to form a circle. 😏

[dense violet]

it would jsut be verrrrry slow

[supple canopy]

i single quantum encoder* will outpower a fuel generator

[dense violet]

yeah we can sit in #design-and-architecture and chat , give some vague sketches and I can prob point you to some good methods

[worn oar]

Anything you need to produce power is an explicit exemption from one machine challenge

[placid stirrup]

Regular fuel? I'd argue you can have 1 gen of each fuel type

[worn oar]

Like nuclear fuel rods and fuel

[shy temple]

Not too bad, as you are not building anything you don't need a lot. Essentially just get single line of stuff built. Run to a container and then collect. Then afk overnight. Onto next step.

So you really only build one item at a time. Stop one to build next.

[dense violet]

yeah that doesn't really sound like you're playing the game xD

[shy temple]

Is just another way to play. My friend likes doing that sort of minimum operation. When playing set things up, when away, it builds stuff up. Reconfigure next time.

I like to joke how his end game production is smaller than my current map's train station.

[placid stirrup]

I hope he's made cute little huts for every "factory"

[shy temple]

.... Nope...

Likes spaghetti, not Rigatoni.

And is constantly repurposing for next steps.

Essentially dump to a container. Then reconfigure. Loop that container into start container, and then set for new production.

[placid stirrup]

Aaaand I'm out

[shy temple]

On the multiplayer, he has a setup in a cave where he just does all the research stuff and unlocking components. Is our cave hermit

[worn oar]

You could also do the challenge's little brother which is one machine per end product. Then you don't have to repurpose the factory all the time

[shy temple]

Oh, that is what I do regardless XD

[plucky bone]

Did you know you can decorate with power slugs if you want?

[shy temple]

Though sometimes I have done two if a component at standard value makes double what is needed.

[surreal ingot]

They need to let chainsaws use all types of fuel

Its so annoying

[shy temple]

Yeah, agreed. I wanted to use biofuel.

It is weird a chainsaw uses solid fuel.

[placid stirrup]

There's an invasion at our HUB, it's awesome

[shy temple]

Never tried. Must do!

I have done on conveyors for fun, but not as a decoration. Huh

You think I would have known that!

[wild phoenix]

Run the chainsaw on nuclear power

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-flames-burning-fire-gif-5342919

[glossy fiber]

@earnest condor lolllls fixed the connection there, but that idea should be good like the photo, ye?

[surreal ingot]

Spicy biomass

[earnest condor]

Should, yes. Only one way to find out.

Ficsonium Rod Chainsaw when?

[glossy fiber]

Kk, trying it then. ty vm. Ive tried to do allllll of this shit without looking anything up. And this is more annoying than aluminum

an ddddddddddd water is backing up again :-))))

[ornate saffron]

the in game codex helps a lot.

for aluminum esp

[earnest condor]

Is the top pipe the output from Blender?

[ornate saffron]

I was going to say more, but i get the feeling you wana do it yourself. ( I played no external knowledge for the first 800 hours)

[glossy fiber]

Top is fresh water, bottom is recycled

[earnest condor]

Good.

[glossy fiber]

I got through aluminum well, but this battery shit is making me crazy lol

[earnest condor]

I would say break it into individual loops. One between each Blender and Refinery instead of doing it wholistically.

[glossy fiber]

That sounds like a LOTTTTTT of piping.....

[fluid sapphire]

Battery?

[glossy fiber]

Sulfuric acid batterys + WATER

[earnest condor]

At this point just go drive hunting and switch to Classic 😭

[glossy fiber]

.>

[shy temple]

Is how I do it too. Extent of my looking stuff up is random things I get occasionally in the convos here. At most it is I pickup tidbits of clever things people do

[violet glen]

hm, Turbo Motors really aren't used in all that many things, are they 🤔

[shy temple]

I don't even want to use a calculator outside of in game calculations

[violet glen]

Wondering if one single manufacturer is all I'll need, maybe with 4 sloops in it

[dense violet]

they're used in a lot of important things xD

[violet glen]

not according to the codex at least

only go into one assembly part

[ornate saffron]

Lots for personal use.

[violet glen]

well yeah, they go into a bunch of buildings. But that's ultra low demand, and just a small overflow belt into a dimensional depot

[shy temple]

I want to put a turbo motor in a factory cart, but wont let me.

[earnest condor]

Unless you're automating Project Parts for some reason, every single buildable feeds into one of 3 production chains:

Turbos, Supers, Nuclear.

Decide how many of each you want per/min and you can solve the production demands of your entire world.

[shy temple]

Don't let me use my jetpack while sitting in cart, no turbo motor...

[ornate saffron]

Just the TPU which of course is needed for the BWD

[glossy fiber]

Not with water problems tho

[shy temple]

Automating because why do work when I can have stuff do work for me!

[fluid sapphire]

You don't need to make batteries at all though

You could get through the entire game without making a single battery

[violet glen]

Yeah, do they have any other use other than powering drones?

I'd always just pump rocket fuel for drones

[earnest condor]

But my trucks need that clean energy!

Rocket... pssssshhhh. 1.1 run my drones ran on ionized 😉

[ornate saffron]

i may do this if i go FULL ficsonium

[earnest condor]

I always make ionized because infinite power shards.

Make shards to make fuel. If run out of shards, somer the shard maker so fuel keeps running but split half to refill storage of shards.

Un-somer when shard storage replenished.

[ornate saffron]

I get that

[violet glen]

Isn't ionized fuel a net-negative?

[ornate saffron]

not when you are using it for drones

[ornate saffron]

or as a ficsonium by product sink

[violet glen]

I'm still not sure if I'd ever really need a drone

[earnest condor]

Infinite power shards + best jetpack fuel in the game.

Who said anything about power?

[shy temple]

it is net negative, but drones can be fast and no head lift issue if piping around

[ornate saffron]

you can make it positive with under clocking

[supple canopy]

even if it were, underclock every ionize-fuel production machines 20% down it's now a net positive

[earnest condor]

Plus the fact you can do it all from oil + nitric + quartz.

No sulfur or coal required whatsoever if you closed-loop the compacted coal byproduct.

[ornate saffron]

lol

[violet glen]

I have trains to every corner of the map now, so I'm very unconvinced about drones, given I'd need to run power there anyway

might as well run a train :D

[worn oar]

You're looking at it the wrong way. The shards are a waste product from efficient dark matter production, and ionized fuel takes care of those. It's the ficsonium of liquid fuel.

[ornate saffron]

its nice that they ignore terrain and go straight to the location. from swamp to the big void in the grasslands is 3 minutes *with rocket fuel

[earnest condor]

Drones are actually really good for planning train lines.

Fly a drone between the 2 locations and watch the path it takes.
Use that as a reference for the shortest train path with long straight-aways.

[hard wolf]

drones are also good for long distance low throughput items

[violet glen]

I built the trains first :D
Pretty much put a 田 pattern over the whole map, while not even having factories anywhere but on the west shore.

[ornate saffron]

like phase parts or Nuclear rods

[supple canopy]

I almost solely use drones to fuel my trucks

[shy temple]

Factory carts too. So under utilized

I love my factory carts zipping about

[ornate saffron]

I use them all the time

love em

[shy temple]

Yup, is how I deliver station components.

Or other low consumable items when road routing exists.

Great for sushi train belts.

[earnest condor]

See, this I disagree with.
Global trains is fine, but logistics should evolve witn your needs. Trains should go where your factories are. Not the other way where factories are forced to go where the train network dictates.

[quick hound]

I want to see some1 make a factory using only factory carts to transport stuff long distance

[violet glen]

I put the factories wherever they need to go

[ornate saffron]

I need to record some factory cart routes for flavour in my world before 1.2

[violet glen]

there's just always a train main-route near by to hook it up to

[shy temple]

I will be using them lots once 1.2 finally releases. The route construction is too tedious atm.

I want to build little catwalk roads lining my main truck roads.

[quick hound]

What’s happening in 1.2?

[shy temple]

1.2 has the rework to routing where you construct paths vs recording them

[ornate saffron]

bicycle pathes.... but for carts

[earnest condor]

Truck routing will be identical to train routing.

[shy temple]

exactly. My current base has a couple for that. I wonder if I can record them to make use of elevators...

[ornate saffron]

jump pads and funnels my dude

[earnest condor]

Ruins a lot of the fun things you can currently do.
But the simplicity will bring more people to trucks so that is good.

[supple canopy]

rain is coming back too

[shy temple]

The biggest issue 1.1 is if a route is too close to a vehicle depot when depot is built, then the existing route will add the new depot

[fluid sapphire]

not just rain though, right? a whole ass weather system

[ornate saffron]

wind, lightning evben double Rainbows

[fluid sapphire]

finally, my roofs will be useful

[shy temple]

So it makes heavy usage of depot asking for trouble. Many times I have had an issue where a vehicle unloads unintendedly with existing

[supple canopy]

yea. But I activated dry weather. Did too much weird shit on foundations

[fluid sapphire]

i havent seen it myself, hope they polish it then

[supple canopy]

oh yea and the BEST QoL of any update: a real pause. So many games stopped making pauses and it drives me absolutely nuts

[shy temple]

It really screwed up one factory for me. Filled a line with sporatic components and spend a couple hours reconstructing inputs to clear contamination

Then come back and find that something rejammed because missed an item on a line somewhere.

All because a tractor going down my roadway was slightly too close to a depot I built off the road.

[hollow mountain]

when i get to coal generator should i just drop biomass?

[quick hound]

Just eat the biomass to be safe

[shy temple]

Pretty much. Dont delete the manufacturing for your biomass though.

Biofuel is still quite good for certain uses.

[hollow mountain]

huh

[fluid sapphire]

past the very early game i personally dont see how its useful at all

[shy temple]

You don't see how vehicles are useful?

[violet glen]

pause

[floral sparrow]

Is anyone else committed to aligning factory foundations with the world grid even when it produces awkward angled factories that don't fit the landscape?

[shy temple]

I forget world grid alignment exists as I try to align to terrain, but can you not rotate on the world grid?

[supple canopy]

when world grid came out yea, then I realized I don't need to align everything, terrain embracing is better

[silver finch]

I want to align everything so I can link foundations from one factory to the other

[floral sparrow]

But what if I eventually want to bridge these two factories that are 1000 metres apart? /j

[shy temple]

This made my train routing take so long, but so satisfying.

[silver finch]

except im on console D:

[supple canopy]

there are many instances you could need a pause, the fact that such a core gaming functionnality like pausing is a debatable feature is proof that enshittification has gone way too far

[supple canopy]

I use a train/truck/drone

[fluid sapphire]

i cant speak for other games, aside from the rare mob attack, i cant think of a good reason to have a pause functionality in this game

[shy temple]

I will also make an intermediate hub for transitioning when I need to align two different things, try to create a visual break.

[violet glen]

If your batteries are ticking down and stuff is hitting the fan, but you need to run, a real pause is definitely nice :D

[fluid sapphire]

and thats laughably easy to avoid already

[floral sparrow]

I get what you're saying but this comes off pretty extreme, lol

[worn oar]

You can't pause an offline game buddy

[silver finch]

You mean online?

[floral sparrow]

But yeah, unless you're actively being attacked pausing the game just turns off production lines

[supple canopy]

If I'm crossing the map to go from the caterium processing plant in the grass field to the aluminum factory in the bamboo field and I didn't activate pacific mode and I have the cigar on the tip of my lips because yesterday's kebab wasn't so fresh after all and I so happen to be right in front of a nuclear hog, I want a pause in my singleplayer game

[silver finch]

Save+exit

[supple canopy]

the only reason the pause button dropped from so many games is because devs had to put single players in multiplayer sessions to collect off data, fuck that

[supple canopy]

yea or like ESC

[fluid sapphire]

given how quick traversal is at the point where you actually have business in the red forest that seems like a non issue, but sure

[floral sparrow]

The only time not having a pause upsets me is when I get up for a bit while it's day time then I come back and the night just started

[supple canopy]

there no reason for a pause feature in a singleplayer game to be abandonned, y'all finding excuses

[regal tiger]

I am having with signalling for trains. I am getting a Signal loops into itself issue, and I cant resolve it. I have posted a screenshot in that channel as it works the signals work at one junction but not another and I am at a loss as to why. The first image is the one that isnt working - any ideas on what is wrong?

[supple canopy]

it is the most jarring example of enshittification for profit

[dense violet]

make a post in #1038092680493801533 , you can't talk in screenshots

[fluid sapphire]

again, i wouldnt lump satisfactory in with other games that purposefully leave out the pause function

i thought it was problematic for technical reasons, nothing more

[floral sparrow]

Respectfully, I don't see how the lack of a pause feature in this particular game is a case of "enshittification." Nor do I see how it would be profit-motivated

[silver finch]

I doubt the same people that made a random game about goats would steal data by getting rid of the pause button XD

[supple canopy]

yea because whatever they have to use for data collection prevents pausing, or at least that's how it all started (by that I mean not CSS, or prob not)

[floral sparrow]

Do you have a source for this?

[supple canopy]

not right now no but I read this so many times

[fluid sapphire]

obviously addressing the case of satisfactory specifically here

[silver finch]

Again, same people that made goat simulator

[supple canopy]

what I mean is it's probably steam/epic/game engine contract with studios

[supple canopy]

stop thinking corps are funny people because their communication is lit

[fluid sapphire]

no i am pretty sure they had some kind of technical reason for not doing it

[silver finch]

I dont think there is a need for a pause button personaly

night and day dont affect you

[shy temple]

The issue is that rail crossing only sees the intersection, so it gets flagged as a confused direction. You would want to use a path signal going in to help with that issue. Block signal is going bad because its line crosses another line of sorts.

Essentially the mechanics for signals is very simple so sometimes it might think lines have an error with just block signals.

The 'signal exists' I find sometimes needs the line removed and rebuilt

[supple canopy]

sorry, what I mean is it's probably steam/epic/game engine contract with studios that DEMAND them to collect data for them and the only way they found to do that was to make a multiplayer session every session even for single players

[silver finch]

The only issue is item overflow

[floral sparrow]

What makes you believe this, exactly?

[willow laurel]

Anyone else have a problem on pc using a controller and the jetpack causing the controller to infinitely rumble.

Its not a big issue cuz my cat enjoys the rumble but it gets annoying in my hands for too long.

[fluid sapphire]

if that was the case, how come we are now getting a real pause function?>

[silver finch]

Try turning off rumble. Sorry your cat cant enjoy it after

[willow laurel]

I mean yea, that was the plan

Just wondering if its just me or a more widespread issue

[silver finch]

I can tell you that I dont have the issue on xbox. I dont play pc.

[willow laurel]

Fair enough

[silver finch]

aliens

[fluid sapphire]

besides, plenty of other games with the same engine that do have a pause function, i dont think there is a case there at all

[glossy python]

Does anyone know how to make it so Satisfactory Tools uses whole number of machines instead of decimals? Like, with underclocked machines

[floral sparrow]

Is there a way to softlock yourself out of ever using depots/Mercer spheres if you max storage space then put almost all of your mercer spheres into the depot, destroy the uploader, then spend your remaining Mercer Spheres on getting an upload upgrade, without ever getting the upload from inventory upgrade?

Hope I articulated that fine

[fluid sapphire]

probably?

[silver finch]

No because you would always have extra after fully upgrading. Right?

[shy temple]

Sounds possible. Can one put mercer spheres into the upload? Cause that would do it

[dense violet]

if you destroy all your extra RESOURCE that you need for THING then before you do THING, then yes obviously

[floral sparrow]

You're putting all of the extra into the depot

[shy temple]

I think what they are saying is if you get every sphere, put all but enough to upgrade in it, then upgrade after dismantling.

Result is you have none outside of it as you spend your free ones upgrading

[floral sparrow]

I'm not talking about destroying things. Please make an effort to understand the question before rudely acting like the answer is so obvious

[dense violet]

I'm trying, its about as clear as mud

[shy temple]

Made sense to me! But I have an abstract mind

[silver finch]

I thought uploading to the inventory was unlocked once you got the dimentional depot

[floral sparrow]

You're allowed to ask for clarification. You can also ignore it

[fluid sapphire]

but you need to unlock the uploader to upload stuff, and once you do upload something, there is always a way to access it, so... you shouldnt be able to lock yourself out?

the stack sizes upgrades are up to +4 stacks. by default you still have the one stack

[shy temple]

Wait... you can always draw back to inventory though

[fluid sapphire]

exactly

[shy temple]

Yeah, that is default. You just get it from inventory

[silver finch]

Yeah thats what I thought

[shy temple]

for a sec, I was thinking of the uploader tech

[floral sparrow]

Oh, so the inventory upgrade is only for uploading, yes?

[shy temple]

Yup

[silver finch]

yeah

[fluid sapphire]

wdym

you get one stack of capacity for everything simply by unlocking the uploader

[floral sparrow]

Got it. Thank you for not treating me like an idiot

[fluid sapphire]

and once you do, its impossible not to have access to it

[shy temple]

You are most welcome. So if the situation happened like you said, you can fetch them still from dimensional upload even without an existing container.

I havent tried it, but the container isn't the actual storage. Only a gate to it. You can upload items to dimensional storage without having one too.

I think I have done that anyways...

[silver finch]

it is dimensional storage

[shy temple]

Hmm.... I should sushi train my storage! XD

But I like capping my malls with them so....

[dense violet]

if you're not destroyign yoru acess to the resource I don't see how you could lose access to the upgrades

[shy temple]

Well, the oversight was about being able to get them back into inventory which is seperate from the container that puts them into the storage.

[dense violet]

but that doesn't lose you access, you still have it uploaded

[shy temple]

Yup, that is what they were wondering

If you lost access or no

[unkempt blade]

I'm pretty sure it's like a Star Trek transporter kind of deal and it's just good marketing that the item/person "definitely isn't murdered with science and a new one created from its dead husk"

[willow laurel]

Is it normal to cover the entirety of the landmass in concrete to avoid the flora and fauna, and create a more efficent roadway; or has capitalism gotten to me?

Btw unrelated but the cherry forests are a perfect spot to put a mcdonalds.

[unkempt blade]

You're just being too sweaty about avoiding the ground. The lazier answer is use the hoverpack

[willow laurel]

Counterpoint.

Grass is yucky and it stains my fixit suit which takes billions of dollars at the fixit dry cleaners to wash out.

And since i dont have billions to spend as a working class citizen, i and my future bloodline have to work payless for the next 1000000 years to pay it off

[unkempt blade]

Just make your ficsit suit green to start with. Problem solved!

[willow laurel]

What about the red grass though

[unkempt blade]

there's a second color on the swatch

[willow laurel]

True.....

[feral vector]

do you guys keep track of resources used by different factories somehow? I'm bad for keeping track then I don't know how much iron is left on a belt if I want to build more and stuff like that

[wise junco]

i just make a whole line use 100% of what i'm setting up each time

[feral vector]

that's probably a decent solution

what about when you get new miners or belts or whatever?

[wise junco]

leave the old intact, set up new

[feral vector]

so you wouldn't like, upgrade the miner and use the extra iron for stuff?

[wise junco]

norp

[feral vector]

seems like a chill way to play

[wise junco]

i have tons of untapped nodes. no need for me to retinker the old stuff yet

[feral vector]

unless you're really short on something I guess

I guess I still need to track like, how much plastic I'm using

[fluid sapphire]

i am kinda bad with this myself, my sftools tabs have the numbers but i dont have them in game anywhere

[feral vector]

hmm and no need to tell me how to handle this problem yet, but I gotta figure out how to take rubber from one place and distribute it to multiple places with trains.

[fluid sapphire]

should set up signs in every factory

[feral vector]

I was doing that but I get impatient and stop halfway through lol

[wise junco]

this is my plan once i do my "finished the game" rework

[feral vector]

god phase 4 is so many factories if you skipped automating phase 3 stuff

[wise junco]

hehehe, all i have left for p4 is thermal propulsion rockets

[fluid sapphire]

i mean just for tracking the numbers, what goes where by simply "tag-> tag (number)" or something

[feral vector]

all I've got done so far is turbo motors with some extra cooling thingies and radio control units

[fluid sapphire]

i made all of the super crazy advanced p4 parts in a single place

by shipping in all the precursors

small quantities, but good enough to finish the game, can always make more later

numbers line up nice

[feral vector]

I have a planner set up for it, I'm automating the non-spelevator parts first but trying to produce extra stuff that I can use in those factories later. like extra cooling sinks or whatever they are called are ready to go to the spelevator part that needs them

[fluid sapphire]

yeah thats the strat innit

[feral vector]

doing it all in one planner was stupid though I'm too new for that

I should have just yolo'd a turbo motor factory and made the other stuff later lol I spent way too muc htime planning

[wise junco]

oh this game is planning sim, didn't you know? 🤣

[feral vector]

I think I have super computers and a couple other things left to automate then I'm gonna be building space elevator part factories for hours and hours

[fluid sapphire]

i assembled all my plans up to the end of phase 4 over the span of a few months

while not really playing the game

[wise junco]

i'm currently going between setting up TPRs to finish phase 4 or setting up my nuclear power with sunk plut rods

nuclear will be more of a fun project but i built so many big factories back to back i've just been exploring

[feral vector]

huh apparently there are caves with lizard doggos

I fully expected to get jumpscared by a big spider in here

[ornate saffron]

Famously the doggo cave on the west coast with a helmet and blade runners inside

[meager fern]

they just want to try and get you to let your guard down, dont trust the caves

[quaint goblet]

every cave has a spider until proven otherwise

[shy temple]

And nobody has ever been able to prove otherwise

[meager fern]

if a cave doesnt have any spiders, there is legitimately a chance they are just stuck somewhere

[shy temple]

Only thing one can prove is that they are not there right now

Most likely because they followed somebody out of the cave

[quaint goblet]

that one sam node that i hate

[feral vector]

lol I got swarmed by bees immediatly after I said that

[shy temple]

#deathfromabove

I actually ran a train by that cave for fun.

[meager fern]

i went to this one cave, by the northern forest, and there were some rock arches that had all of the spiders just standing up there

[shy temple]

I also early on had a spider show up in my factory when I started because I built over it.

[shy temple]

One place just north of the coast has a cave with spiders... I suddenly noticed one day that the rocks in said cave are fossilized giant spiders

[quaint goblet]

is it weird that i only sloop project parts

[shy temple]

I am saving my sloops to sloop nuclear power

[feral vector]

slugs? alien protein? dna capsules?

[shy temple]

For the memes

[quaint goblet]

and slugs

i never make dna capsules i make inhalers

[feral vector]

how many inhalers do you need lol

[leaden ruin]

Does anyone know if there are plans (or why there explicitly aren't, if so) to add cosmetic buildables like the trees / fauna as ways to more easily incorporate the world nature into builds? Alternatively, are there mods for this?

(where would I look for/search this information in the future so I'm not bugging you all here)

[quaint goblet]

i don't hunt animals very often

i play in peaceful mode

[feral vector]

I made so many just from the 3 types of plants you can collect

[worn oar]

I believe one of the early design goals was to highlight industry fueling the destruction of nature

[feral vector]

yeah that makes sense, one of the first things the game tells us is it's our job to exploit the planet

[quaint goblet]

create automate explore and exploit 🗣️

[hollow mountain]

i hate space elevator im stuck in phase 2 for a couple hours 😢

[shy temple]

I believe the world looks better with the improvements I made

Nature doesnt have trains

[leaden ruin]

I see, that's fair.

[quaint goblet]

in my first playthrough it took me 20 hours to finish phase 2

you just gotta work at optimizing

[shy temple]

I use that time to explore and develop secondary productions from the MAM research

[hollow mountain]

i have all that settup i have just to wait to get the second material to 1000

[quaint goblet]

then go exploring

or make more machines

[hollow mountain]

enemies too strong im scared

[quaint goblet]

and make more of it

[quaint goblet]

peaceful mode exists

[hollow mountain]

can you change that mid game tho?

[quaint goblet]

yes

[worn oar]

The game is giving you a not-so-subtle nudge to engage with the rest of it. Building out production lines and buildings for them, exploring, gathering stuff, researching in the MAM

But you could also just build a bunch of elevator part machines and speed through it if you want

[worn oar]

Enemy aggressiveness can be changed at any time in gameplay settings

[hollow mountain]

ohh i just saw! also i already explored a little getting some hard drive but i dont know if the receipe are good

[worn oar]

There are enough hard drives to research every alternate recipe. For your first playthrough I recommend getting whatever looks interesting. Only thing you "lose" is the need for another hard drive

[quaint goblet]

alternates have different inputs and output production rates

[quaint goblet]

they're sidegrades generally

rarley are they flat out better then the base

[worn oar]

With the exception of encased heavy frame which is just better

[hollow mountain]

also do power shard expire? i didnt want to use it becuase i dont want to waste them

[dense violet]

they all have their uses - if yo udon't use them in the places where they give you benefits, you son't see the goodness

[quaint goblet]

no, but you may duplicate them with somersloops

[worn oar]

Nope, you can take them in and out freely if you change your mind, same with somersloops

[serene jolt]

How do I even start making a train line for multiple trains. Is this even a good approach?

My trains always crash when I try this

[hollow mountain]

omg thats great

[quaint goblet]

train signals

block signals keep trains from crashing

[quiet oriole]

Is anyone on the discord able to help people that are new to the game or you all going to refer to youtube x,x

[serene jolt]

I’ve heard those are a pain to setup lol

[quaint goblet]

my dms are open

[quiet oriole]

ok

[dense violet]

most people.

[worn oar]

My general advice would be to NOT look anything up and go in blindly, but yes we'll help

[quaint goblet]

worth it in the end

[dense violet]

a lot of things on youtube are questionable

[wise junco]

🔴

[quiet oriole]

i was able to get like iron and copper made bars but man its getting harder on the stuff i need x,x

[quaint goblet]

blind is the best way to play imo but if you really want advice feel free to ask

[quaint goblet]

explore and expand

[quiet oriole]

well i did

[quaint goblet]

more nodes = more resources for you to use

[quiet oriole]

and made this conveyer all the way back to my base but it took forever

[serene jolt]

Mega factory good or bad?

[quaint goblet]

bringing everything to a central area isn't always the best idea

[quiet oriole]

well i got some bad advice then x.x

[quaint goblet]

sometimes it's better to split up areas of production

[dense violet]

the tiers and milestones are basically a tutorial 🙂
you'll want to make factories all over eventually

[quaint goblet]

then you can math it out based on the area

[quaint goblet]

yes but also no

[quiet oriole]

i was afraid to tracel out wildlife really killed me

[quaint goblet]

it depends on your playstyle

[quaint goblet]

if wildlife bothers you too much you can change their agressiveness in settings

[serene jolt]

Currently I have different factories all over the map. But bringing some of one item to one spot and some of it somewhere else is annoying

[dense violet]

it's difficuilt to explore until like tier 3 or so. Unlock better equipment in the MAM

[quaint goblet]

then a megafactory might be the choice for you

personally i like having everythign decentralized

[dense violet]

do a few long belts at teh start if you don't want to learn vehicles. It's a tutorial basically

[quaint goblet]

then I don't have to worry about waiting for things to travel along conveyors

[dense violet]

you can sprint drag belts across the map pretty fast

[serene jolt]

Only problem is organization. Knowing what items will be produced where and how I’m going to supply each. Ahh well. Time to pull out the online whiteboard

[serene jolt]

Trains aren’t too bad. But having an individual track for each seems silly. Got to learn signaling

[feral vector]

you can do real simple train lines with one train and one track and loops at both ends? and I found trucks pretty chill the one time I used them

[quaint goblet]

you don't even need loops

[serene jolt]

Yeah that’s what I got right now. Not for everything though

[quaint goblet]

can do one train 2 engines

[quaint goblet]

i do this for tight areas when i can't make a full loop

[feral vector]

yeah I know you can just do two engines but I like looping through, I didn't want to be a moron and mix up the order of the freight stations

[shy temple]

This is one way I do trains. By truck will be easier in 1.2

[dense violet]

do 2 lanes liek a road. Bidi lanes are stupid and bad.

[shy temple]

xSJx, this is a big thing that I am always worried about on a push/pull

[quaint goblet]

bidi lanes are okay for short distances

[feral vector]

ok I need to make plastic and rubber I'm gonna try to make a proper factory and not a shitty floating platform

[dense violet]

they are terrible if you ever ever want to do more than 1 train

[quaint goblet]

for long ones i agree with you though

[shy temple]

I two lane when I have space and shared, one lane if constricted and wanting to work with the terrain

[quaint goblet]

bidi aren't supposed to have more then 1 train on it

[feral vector]

can't wait to do a bunch of math and figure out the foundation size then realize I missed something and need to change the size of stuff

[shy temple]

I use single lines for supply trains

[quaint goblet]

they're supposed to run one train that goes back and forth

[dense violet]

the super power of trains though is reusing teh same infrastructure.

[feral vector]

I built a dual line but I'm just using one for now cause I don't want to learn signaling

[dense violet]

you need less signaling on a dual lane

[feral vector]

I just need to bring 3 things from aluminum factory to my starter factory, and one thing from my starter factory to the aluminum one

[feral vector]

I have not used a single signal, less than zero?

[dense violet]

if you ever need more than one train on it, way more signaling work

[dense violet]

2 lanes, hugs the terrain 😛 #design-and-architecture message

[quaint goblet]

markus didn't say you couldn't do it

sometimes its easier to run a bidi over a shorter distance

[feral vector]

I know you're right by the way I'm just saying I took the laziest approach cause I just wanted stuff shipped ASAP. I made a dual track platform blueprint that I practiced using, I just haven't used the second track

[quaint goblet]

i did that in my first playthrough

[shy temple]

Splitting up the line definitley looks good there!

[quaint goblet]

haven't hit trains on my current one

[shy temple]

I have train going through some caves on my current line

Literall no space for more than one

[feral vector]

hmm I should try to stack them instead of having them next to each other that's pretty cool

[dense violet]

it's space saving

[feral vector]

or I should use my basic one first until I get the hang of it lol, my first track with the blueprints was all bumpy and shitty

[gusty ermine]

I already know the answer but other than biofuel is there any other non automated power sources

[dense violet]

and I'm jsut showing an example

[worn oar]

Solid biofuel

[quiet oriole]

i think one thing that is hard is sustaining energy while trying to create things as well

[quaint goblet]

liquid biofuel

[gusty ermine]

😿

[dense violet]

bio/charcoal

[shy temple]

And very good examples they are! I should do stuff like that more.

[dense violet]

works almost exaclty like side by side rail too

[dense violet]

bio uranium rods?

[shy temple]

Here is where I did one line reduction. Documented my key points on a rail line here after I finished my full rail line for the new phase.

#screenshots message

[gusty ermine]

what is a bio uranium rod 👀

[shy temple]

I thought about similar at a couple points, but I couldn't get the switches how I wanted.

[feral vector]

#screenshots message

why do nodes not show up when I scan? I know there are 4 nodes there, the one furthest west just doesn't show up

[sharp plaza]

when is v1.2 coming out?

[mortal ginkgo]

in 2 hours

[neat anvil]

Why impure ):

[mortal ginkgo]

Let me fix that for you: "Why all nodes in game are not impure limestone? 🙁 "

[neat anvil]

True or false???

[mortal ginkgo]

Why should people lie in internet for no reason? lol

[neat anvil]

Some people are mean

[mortal ginkgo]

😭

[exotic frigate]

The amount of things to chew on in tier 4 is nuts

[worn oar]

Tell me you're not masticating nuclear waste

Wait tier 4 not phase 4

[neat anvil]

lol

[exotic frigate]

Wait no sorry I meant phase 4

But no im not even at nuclear stuff

[dense violet]

you create biocoal from meat, mix it with SAM ore, create bio uranium rods just from sam and meat

[neat anvil]

I’m on phase 4 it’s a nightmare (:

[dense violet]

1 day later every time someone asks

[worn oar]

⚠️ Do NOT eat the nuclear pasta, despite the name

[gusty ermine]

too much automation

[dense violet]

you still have to manually input meat into the system or nothing works

[neat anvil]

But why pasta shaped then?

[latent prawn]

yeah, it is really heavy

[gusty ermine]

but if i’m not doing it by hand it doesn’t count

[worn oar]

It wants your insides to become your outsides, resist the siren call. It's not worth it and you'll damage the fiscit suit which is property of ficsit

[exotic frigate]

I need to finish my huge aluminum factory, then get my computation factory up. Then upgrade power. The first and third objectives are insane.

My aluminum factory demands 200 aluminum ingot machines alone

[dense violet]

then liquid bio fuel doesn't count either I guess?

[gusty ermine]

so it’s looking like biofuel is the only way 😿

[exotic frigate]

And my future oil power plant is going to be something like 250 fuel generators

AND THEN. I can even THINK about doing the actual elevator parts, which will likely take quite a lot of work

I reckon ill end up putting 300-400 hours total into my save by the end of this

[shy temple]

My save is over 400 right now, but there is afk time and a lot of beauty projects

and have been out of the game a while

[civic ore]

Any tips for motor factory. It’s the next one I need but my god the game is starting to feel like a chore

[shy temple]

#smart splitters. Dump in a container and off.

Programmable splitters and you can have just a trash can! XD But that is of course later game stuff to do

[latent prawn]

you can fit all the input for 2 assemblers onto an mk2 belt. this allows you to either do single input to an assembler or to do sushi

[shy temple]

I just dump all the biomass of everything from mushrooms to plants and animals, let it sushi divide into containers and processors

[civic ore]

It’s just the whole I need to smelt iron then make it into steel but also have enough iron left over for screws and then I need rods for that and copper wire and I gotta smelt the copper

[feral vector]

alt recipes make it easier, stuff like iron wire and steel rotors

try using satisfactory tools planner it lays everything that you need out visually

[rustic comet]

Anyone wanna start a world. I just started playing and I think it would be easier and more fun to play with someone

[ornate saffron]

#1201555265942724758

[civic ore]

I would but it don’t work on mobile and all the ones that do have a gazillion adverts

[dense violet]

what are you trying t odo?

[civic ore]

Eh guess I’ll just wait till I feel the urge to math it properly

[dense violet]

oh sure but you can't fully automate it. You're stil dumping meat into a bin

[hollow turret]

hullo chat

[dense violet]

build next to coal and iron 🙂

[feral vector]

well if you have no PC then rip

[dense violet]

the mat his done https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=F1s9jrZd0z5LCOGExuuP

tools has no adverts afaik

[civic ore]

Legend. Thank you very much I couldn’t get it to work on mobile for some reason

[dense violet]

look, none of hte planers work well on mobile, fiddling between all the tabs and such

[dense violet]

this is my prefered recipe chain though, the first had no alts https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=W5FQ5OXHcPtrQCY0Yzof

wait no

this one https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=DmSI4xHDmGhgjFahmyPO

[civic ore]

This one looks much better. I’m capped at 300/min so the first one would’ve been a pain. I just need steel rotors but honestly think I’m gonna go on a hard drive hunt first to get it

[dense violet]

you can always reduce the total output desired too

[civic ore]

For sure but doing mentally is a pain lmao. My notes folder on my phone is full of half assed numbers already ahaha. Took me a solid hour figuring out how to make the reinforced steel beam factory from scratch

Nah for real the three links you sent are seriously gonna save me major time thank you

I might dig up my old computer just for this

[dense violet]

no stress 🙂

[wise junco]

i'm making so many refineries right now, Cobalt

[cold berry]

Got steel rotor, hell yeah, amazing motors synergy. I wanna make a couple factories for each part so like, that'll be a cool variant. I'm a newish player (only 200+ hours) so y'know

[latent prawn]

its a good recipe. i find copper rotor to be a bit better in a motor factory, but to each their own. where steel rotor really shines is that you can make all iron engines with iron pipe & wire

when you tweak the clock rates of machines, the recipes end up being really nice

[earnest condor]

The foundation of iron-only Motor lines.

If you have Steel Rotor, Iron Pipe, and Iron Wire -- 300 Iron/min = 5.4 Motor/min

[quaint goblet]

copper rotors my beloved

[latent prawn]

iirc, clocking everything to 90% makes the numbers work out really nicely

[quaint goblet]

i use it in my factory that makes 30 motors/min

[earnest condor]

When I am building larger-scale, yes. Copper Rotor + Steel Screw is incredible.

When I am just needing fast Motors for progression, I do it purely from iron because I have a BP that sets it up in 1 click.

[latent prawn]

unfortunately, copper rotor only becomes good when you use steamed sheet and either pure copper or copper alloy to decrease the sheet cost

imho using the default sheet recipe is too pricey

[cold berry]

So copper stator uses iron?

Because that'd be preferable. I'll look into that

[earnest condor]

What is a copper stator?

[cold berry]

Oh I see

Copper as in, copper sheet. Hmmm.

I'll look into it still if it helps production

[worn oar]

That's way too much iron just to save a bit of steel I think

[earnest condor]

"Too much iron" -- is there something important you built that demands the entirety of the 74k available iron on the base map?

[worn oar]

300 heavy modular frames/minute

Just kidding I would go insane before I finished building that

[earnest condor]

I mean I usually build 135/min 🤷‍♂️

[worn oar]

Sheesh

I have a horrible habit of restarting so the farthest I've been was partway through phase 3 😭

Only need like 4/min for that

[earnest condor]

I think my current "progression - to be deleted" setup is 7ish?

Nope, 5.625

Because it's Heavy Encased running at 200%.

[wise junco]

30 has served me super well for all my p4 needs

[quartz cypress]

god i love gaming community servers that dont let people post game screenshots from the game in the main chat for the game

[earnest condor]

45 to Storage
90 to FMFs
Because 45 FMFs to Storage
45 FMFs to PCCs
45 PCCs to Nuclear 😄

[quartz cypress]

how can you build everything else in 20 mins? 😭

[earnest condor]

I do not understand the question, sorry.

[worn oar]

You're supposed to link it

#screenshots

[next ivy]

go to pretty much any channel

[quartz cypress]

i think i mixed up modular frames with versatile frames but i was saying you only need 2500 for phase 3, so 135/min would satisfy that requirement in under 20 mins which is a lot if you can't do the rest of phase 3 in under 20 mins

[earnest condor]

In 8 years of playing I have never automated Project Parts.

[quartz cypress]

maybe thats why its taking you 8 years to beat the game

[earnest condor]

And I probably never will unless I feel like doing it for novelty after I've already launched the rocketship.

I've beaten it 15 times?

[quartz cypress]

i was joking but aight how do you make project parts

[worn oar]

He's playing phase 1 for 8 years straight 😂

[quartz cypress]

automate the components and hand deliver it or something?

there's no way you're hand crafting them

[worn oar]

Put storage containers behind the machines

[floral sparrow]

I just learned that apparently lifts connecting to mergers/splitters is a recently added feature? Damn, I can't imagine not having that

[wise junco]

Probably container feeding

[earnest condor]

#screenshots message like this.

[quartz cypress]

mane i didnt know there was a rocket at the end

[earnest condor]

Somers exponentially cut down on part cost because you cut it in half multiple times over the more advanced the part is.

[wise junco]

I used to do it that way. No problem with it. I took it as a challenge this playthrough to fully automate

[quartz cypress]

my first run is the challenging way...?

[next ivy]

the fact that the parts change every time, is the reason this even is somewhat viable

[quartz cypress]

i thought you're supposed to do it like that

[wise junco]

Eh, there's no supposed to in this game