satisfactory

[spare prism]

Ewwwwwwwwwww

[mortal ginkgo]

go ew yourself, foolish mortal

[jagged nymph]

didnt they say that with their dev tool they can spawn nodes that give any item?

[spare prism]

Pure is where it's at

[mortal ginkgo]

i mean they dont need to say that. all dev tools are like that in every game

[jagged nymph]

no? thats something they have to specifically implement

anyway its just funny as far as i understand that they can spawn in a quickwire node if they want to, or a nuclear waste node

[mortal ginkgo]

dev tools are for themselves, not for us

[jagged nymph]

i know... they still have to program them

they dont magically materialize

[mortal ginkgo]

yes and they surely did? what is the point of this whole conversation?

am I getting bamboozled?

[jagged nymph]

im saying its funny that coffee stain people can spawn in nodes that give any item in the game

[ornate saffron]

Its a impure thought

[proper valley]

I haven't gotten to boot up 1.2 yet but this question is burning in my mind.. can we place thin signs with their face upwards? I don't think so right? I want to make roads with the center lines lit up like LED panels... (like death stranding 2 if you know that..)

i need to look for people's highway blueprint designs they've shared, surely someone tried it

[dense violet]

sure, just build them on a flat surface. Beams are great for that

[proper valley]

amazing! Thank you

[west jackal]

when i setup train stations, i know the output should have a isc for buffer, should inputs also have buffer to accomodate for loading/unloading time?

[native tapir]

Yes hold Ctrl aiming at flat surface

[proper valley]

ooo nice I gotta remember that! Thanks Doug! -oku

[compact flicker]

What 1.2 feature y'all most excited for rn

[native tapir]

Trying to find a new way to do vertical rotations

[compact flicker]

||daisy chaining ❤️|| for me :3

[native tapir]

It's a nice QOL but we could already do it with clipped plugs 😬

I have blueprinted versions of machines where I clipped the power plugs on top of the machine plugs. So I was already daisy chaining pretty easy

[compact flicker]

I mean this'll be neater and easier to set up on a new save :p

[native tapir]

Fair lol

[west jackal]

daisy chaining for all machines?

[compact flicker]

Ya

[west jackal]

oh boy

[compact flicker]

Afaik

[west jackal]

that will be nice

mch better than fluid trucks 🙁

i wish fluid trucks would be good, but i really dont think they will be that good

[dense violet]

? they'll move fluids without packaging - what do you expect of them?

[west jackal]

i mean moving fluids is.. problematic, trucks can be problematic, it seems like its going to be compounding issues

[dense violet]

moving fluids are fine as long as you know the basics of it. Trucks are also fine when you have some modest practice.
all logistical options need some baseline knowledge and skill.

with trucks it's more about planning factory layouts and paths that make them easier to use

and a lot of people don't seem to like doing that

[west jackal]

i mean... i built a road that is (albeit diagonal) a straight line from a coal node to where im using the coal. I drove in a straight line (not distracted or drunk) and it still falls off the roads consistently

[dense violet]

might need wider lanes

[west jackal]

and as far as moving fluids, your prob right, i dont know the basics for them, but when i tried using train to move oil it did not work out

i mean it was a little over 3 foundations wide

[dense violet]

some tested out buffer systems for loading and unloading #design-and-architecture message
and #design-and-architecture message

[dense violet]

would have to see what you're doing with that to comment really. Mostly I design around using natural paths. otherwise if you're building high ways the whole way might as well use trains

at least imo

[terse bone]

FSR4 please

[barren kettle]

i mean wouldnt you want to build your oil stuff beside the oil node?

[west jackal]

its only like 400 meters i think? so just long enough that i didnt want to belt it, but close enough that trains didnt really make sense

[west jackal]

i like one big fuel plant

[dense violet]

fair 🙂 I'll often plan to run belts under train lines for shorter distances like that

[west jackal]

that is also fair, i hadnt started my train networks

[barren kettle]

someone helped me out on console when i first started out they made an entire fuel gen/plastic and rubber factory all in one

its was huge 💀💀 i was so confused back then 😭

[west jackal]

probably small compared to what im talking about tbh

[barren kettle]

prob i mean there a huge difference to what pc can run compared to console

[jagged nymph]

rocket fuel is so good but you need so many gens

[west jackal]

well it was an old save (pre 1.0) but i plan on doing some nitro rocket this save

[barren kettle]

console limited with how big the factorys can be or else you just lag to the point its unplayable

[west jackal]

im sure

one of my factories is already started to lag my high end pc

[jagged nymph]

i mean same thing on pc

[barren kettle]

trust i figured it out the hard way 😭 wich is why i destroyed my entire spaghetti hell at spawn

[west jackal]

tbh im playing on 4k ultra, but i can feel it drop from around 120 to like 50 occasionally

[barren kettle]

i mean pc can be upgraded better parts and ect

[west jackal]

... to an extent

[barren kettle]

console cant unless you buy the next generation

[barren kettle]

true

[jagged nymph]

its about the same price either way

a new console is like 500-600 bucks, a new gpu can be over a thousand

[west jackal]

i have a 4080super, i could upgrade to 5000, but not THAT much improvement other than dlss5, raw performance is nearly as good

[barren kettle]

yeah with the rams price going crazy its expensive these days😭

[jagged nymph]

or factory size is more cpu limited, which is still around 3-400 dollars for a high end one

[west jackal]

i have like second best gaming cpu out, i just need more ram. i did 32 gigs a year ago, didnt realize satisfactory needed 128GB

[jagged nymph]

but who wants their game to be 80 percent ai slop?

[west jackal]

exactly

[barren kettle]

real

[west jackal]

uh... cant say that if youre console man

[barren kettle]

wdym?

console aint full of ai slop

[twin parcel]

how do u download 1.2 experimental?

[barren kettle]

you dont

[jagged nymph]

right click satisfactory, click properties, click betas, click experimental

[west jackal]

i promise the ps6 will

aint no way they wont run dlss5/6

[jagged nymph]

at some point dlss is just gonna be fully ai generated frames 😭

[barren kettle]

im xbox i used to be on playstation until my mom sold it when i was younger i then lost my account

so i switched to xbox

[west jackal]

okay, well xbox is way worse

[jagged nymph]

xbox is way better

[barren kettle]

really depends on the person tbh

[west jackal]

hell no. xbox is a dying console line, i grew up on xbox, i like the 360, but after that they are awful.

[jagged nymph]

the next xbox is gonna run steam games too

[barren kettle]

i like both but id rather play on xbox than playstation

[twin parcel]

ah yes generate ai frames before the game is even running

[west jackal]

ps has better games, better controllers, and better performance

plus, i have a PC, so all xbox games i can play on pc

[barren kettle]

controller part i would disagree wirh you

[twin parcel]

console propaganda

[jagged nymph]

so youre saying playstation is better because they force you to buy a playstation to paly their games instead of making it avaliable on pc?

[barren kettle]

love the design but god i cant stand playing with them

[dense violet]

eats 🍿 with PC superiority

[west jackal]

i grew up with 360 controller, i hate the joystick placement now, and the haptics on dualsense are amazing

[jagged nymph]

xbox controllers arew way better

[barren kettle]

💀

[west jackal]

no, im saying id not buy an xbox, but regardless, if we take the pc out of the question, ps has way better games regardless

[jagged nymph]

the only xbox i personally own is a 360 that was my cousins but ive used both at friends houses and xbox is way better

[jagged nymph]

i mean yeah if you really like the ps games then sure

[barren kettle]

i dont play much games i just stick to the same ones tbh so i wouldnt need a playstation for those better games your talking about

[west jackal]

tbh, i cant think of a single XBOX game that i like

i mean i liked forza, but gran turismo is objectively a better game

[twin parcel]

pc is better mate , u can connect them to a tv and u just need to buy bluetooth controllers and ur done

[west jackal]

not arguing that

[barren kettle]

pc better overall cuz you can just do anything console cant

[jagged nymph]

yeah ofc pc is 100x better

but out of the consoles xbox is better

[barren kettle]

everyone has different opinions on consoles 🤷‍♂️ that simple

[west jackal]

i have 4 devices, gaming laptop, gaming pc, sw2 and ps5. My friend has a series x and i hate it. I dont like the controller or the games. but if you enjoy it then go for it.

I think a lot of people will be forced onto ps6 though

[twin parcel]

ah

[jagged nymph]

i have pc laptop and rog ally

[west jackal]

if the new xbox is 1200 like they were thinking

[dense violet]

you think people will be able to afford ps6 teh way things are going? xD

[west jackal]

the ps6 is rumored to only be around 600

[barren kettle]

if its really goes up to that ima just stick to my good ol series s 😭

[west jackal]

untill you want to play something new

[twin parcel]

get a pc at this point if the price keeps going up .

[barren kettle]

why would they sell the ps6 that low

[west jackal]

they make money on games

[dense violet]

I'll believe it when I see it.
There's been interesting chat about companies basically running games in cloud over hardware you actually own because of the cost of gear

[west jackal]

consoles almost ALWAYS lose money on the console

[jagged nymph]

if steam amchine comes out it will be peak

[west jackal]

its a loss leading market approach. they make BANK on the games. not on the console

[barren kettle]

like i said i just plwy the same games

[dense violet]

sure but the issue is people aren't able to afford the games nearly as much anymore

[barren kettle]

ive tried alot but just never got the hype of playing the games i play

[west jackal]

the only new game i can think for xbox is gta6, all the games im interested in are either neutral or ps6

[twin parcel]

before they can do that , the game industry will crash right away .

companies that actually cares about optimizations will survive the crash which is a win-win

[barren kettle]

they struggle to keep their server secure and stable how they gon do that 😭

[west jackal]

horizon (not forza) and GoW are my most excited upcoming

will probably buy GoW on pre order whenever that comes around

[barren kettle]

the ps5 can be easily jailbroken in just a couple minutes

[dense violet]

probably poorly - but you'll own nothing and be happy 😛

[west jackal]

yes, but not THAT many people do it

[barren kettle]

true but then you got people paying those persons to get hacked stuff

[west jackal]

when we are talking in respect to the ammount of owned ps5, its a very small percentage

[twin parcel]

why would anyone want to void their console warranty for some mods/piracy . if they can afford ps5 , they can afford to support microtransactions or/and pay for the game .

[barren kettle]

ps5 security is absolute garbage

[west jackal]

okay? its illegal to do that and we cannot talk about that in this discord

[barren kettle]

basically ps3 and up the security was cooked 😭

and the 360 aswell

[west jackal]

i mean, all xbox consoles EVER have easily been jailbroken. ive done it on the original, 360 and xbone.

i dont understand your point

[barren kettle]

just sayin how garbage the playstation consoles security is

[west jackal]

xbox was also loss leading, atleast through the x/s

[barren kettle]

i have never seen any xbox other than the 360 hacked

or have heard of it

[west jackal]

then you havent looked hard

[barren kettle]

oh trust me i did

[west jackal]

its really easy

i havent done the x/s but id bet its just as easy

[twin parcel]

the chat is off topic lol

#off-topic-general

[barren kettle]

been off topic for a long time 💀

[west jackal]

also against server rules

[barren kettle]

but nways i have to go now

[grizzled jolt]

Does anyone have any cool lookin pioneer colors

[jade verge]

Just popping in to ask if they fixed fluid dynamics in pipe networks built 1:1 with supply/demand?

[dense violet]

what issue are you talking about?

[karmic portal]

Yeah back in 1.0 they did

[twin parcel]

bruh node randomization is finally a thing . and daisy chaining too . and space elavator parts difficulty can be reduced too and power consumption too .

[jade verge]

It doesnt seem like it, i have a 600 pipe of turbofuel with overproduction to ensure 100% fullness and the requisite amount of power gens arent bing fully supplied along the ends of the network after 100 hours running

[karmic portal]

I dont actually know

[dense violet]

you generally need to loop input pipes when you're running 600 flow pipes

and producing more than 600 fluid into a 600 fluid system won't help fill it as you can't fill it more than 600

[jade verge]

Damn was hoping that was fixed, i know about all the overflow and sloshing tricks was just hoping it wasnt so annoying and ambiguious what will work and what wont with perfect math

[dense violet]

they have no turned pipes into belts
and I hope they never do.

[jade verge]

And im aware, i was trying to plug any potential production issues before noticing the issue was in the pipes themselves

[dense violet]

it's not in the pipes, it's how fluids flow, at junctions there can be back flow, you just use methods to work with the back flow

it's very simple

[jade verge]

To each their own ofc not hating

[dense violet]

feel free to post overhead images of your set up in a #1038092680493801533 post, it's likely easy to fix

[jade verge]

Thats relative

[dense violet]

you can make pipe networks barely more complicated than belt networks if you want.

and belts are extremely simple

[jade verge]

Adding 1 second of build time scales dramatically when making giga favtories, being my preferred playstyle. Was just asking if the issue was fixed, i see that it was not. Appreciate the replies

[dense violet]

well it's not a bug, so it's not something that's fixed

if you really want you can just make more but smaller systems running at 300 flow. You basically don't really need any pipe knowledge to get them to flow

basically doesn't change anything

[knotty bear]

So uh, how do I use power switches? Should I bother adding them to my spaghetti wire system? I was thinking it'd be a good idea to segment off some batteries near my water and coal gens and only enable it if power goes out to restart the system but uh, that's a lot of work.
My max consumption is double my max production!

[dense violet]

power switches basically do the same thing as deleting the cable between two sections, except it's a switch

if you do that with batteries you can create a system to help kick start your power station?

[dense violet]

then learn some basics if 2x 300 systems are terrible compared to 1x600 system

floe liquids from A to B, no branches, keep the manifold flat and loop the inputs like this #1482948347730858004 message

[knotty bear]

Basically I charge them, disconnect power, leave battery isolated, then if power goes off I can have like 100mwh of battery, which is more than enough to at least get water into coal generators.

[dense violet]

yup pretty normal
you can also get a priority power switch which means you can set thigns up so everything else shuts down before your power system

[jade verge]

I already said im aware of the workarounds. Chill

[knotty bear]

I have gas generators, really wish there was some automated way to do the battery backup.

When do I get battery backup?

[dense violet]

sorry, wdym? power storage is battery back up.

[knotty bear]

My bad, I meant priority power switch.

[dense violet]

oh, not sure. Somewhere i nthe wiki I'm sure

[knotty bear]

I occasionally will type the wrong thing as I type faster than average most of the time.

[dense violet]

probably a MAM thing

likely the next tier in the tree with regular switches.

[knotty bear]

Caterium.

[jade verge]

I think youll need high speed connectors for them? Might be ai limiters not 100%

[knotty bear]

I have AI limiter automated.

[jade verge]

Did you make a new game for the new options or have a starter save prepared beforehand?

[knotty bear]

I have my save I have been playing for awhile, 70 hours and doing phase 3 requirements rn, haven't setup the manufacturer ones though.

[grave burrow]

Its true. Playing at sub 20fps means my factory is finally big enough

[jade verge]

I seeee, mostly same here using my 1.1 save trying to decide if the rich nodes are worth it xD

[abstract heron]

Hiya andrew 😛

i just finished moving ore and doing ingots needing a ton of refinerys 😂

and assemblers for cheap silica

[knotty bear]

I put my base in the screenshots channel.

[abstract heron]

you making noodles

[knotty bear]

maybe

[abstract heron]

i am making 82.4 nuclear pasta per minute

[knotty bear]

I have no nuclear

Any advice for what I should do to my facotires?

[cerulean vector]

Is there a channel for suggestions for the game? I really really want vehicles to remember when their headlights are on or off. I leave my vehicles with headlights off for one minute, then I come back and all their headlights are on. This is purely an autistic pet peeve I'm sure, but I'd love this to be in mind when finalizing 1.2

i think we're on 1.2 exp right? idk I'm new

[mortal ginkgo]

I got not so satisfactory news; not only the limestone node is gone, the miner is not working either.

This is a sad day for us all indeed.

[cerulean vector]

USELESS NEWS FROM A USELESS NODE jk ily

[mortal ginkgo]

FOOLISH MORTAL

[cerulean vector]

Blessed Impure Limestone Node, can you tell me of a channel/method for suggesting minor features for Satisfactory?

[cerulean vector]

i know, i promise to be better ):

I don't want to ping those two guys the rules said we could ping, but I know I have some really good suggestions for making neurodivergents very pleased

[cunning glade]

wtf

[mortal ginkgo]

I am bamboozled too brotherman

[cunning glade]

this needs too be fixed before it goes live tbh

i understand them fixing it

but people rely on it

[mortal ginkgo]

This.. might be the fix as I mentioned before.

[dense violet]

#faq for the official website

[cerulean vector]

Like how production buildings should account for power outages/fluctuating resource needs with their animations. They look janky when they only need to produce things periodically.

[cunning glade]

what?

ur machines should always be working

[cerulean vector]

Yes I know

[cunning glade]

so im confused wym

[dense violet]

iirc they work faster when OCed?
I'm not sure why they wouldn't stop if they are starved

[mortal ginkgo]

eh its not a live or death situation. There are already a lot of disgustingly pure limestone nodes around that zone

[mortal ginkgo]

they already stop...?

[cunning glade]

no im using them all

[cerulean vector]

It would make sense with a video to illustrate, but the animation for miners specifically looks janky when they aren't constantly/consistantly producing. The animation halts too abruptly when resource demand reaches zero

[cunning glade]

i need it or i need a whole ass nother train station for more limestone

or ig build close too a single limestone node

but that limits me

[dense violet]

... I guess? but idealy you know exactly what you need to set things to so that also never happens

[cerulean vector]

I'm only suggesting a more refined animation for this complaint is all

[cerulean vector]

right. It's just that isn't always gonna happen

[cunning glade]

the animations for the machines themselves are peak so im confused

[dense violet]

I mean, it easily can 🙂 you always know what is needed or used

[cerulean vector]

the crux isn't that I should have my factories all properly ratioed. it's that, from a developer's prospective, they look janky when that's not happening.

The animations are stellar when they're constantly producing

that's not what I'm bringing up/explaining/complaining about

It's that they become jank when that animation is interrupted

[mortal ginkgo]

ah yes this only happens with miners I think. animation of start-working sometimes trigger even when working or not working at all

[cerulean vector]

Yesss

Agreed. I haven't noticed nearly as much jank from other buildings

[jagged nymph]

then just underclock the miner to the right amount

your factory wont need a variable amount of resources

[cerulean vector]

One more thing that looks like it's actually already planned. is the constructors etc. actually looking like they're producing the component they're supposed to be producing.

[jagged nymph]

simply uderclock it to produce the amount you need, which is easy to find out

[mortal ginkgo]

not related, the animation of "start working" happens randomly, especially when player gets close to the miner

[jagged nymph]

do you have 10 smelters, great! clock it to 300

[cerulean vector]

The point isn't to not see the jank. It's to prevent jank in the first place. Thank you for your suggestion, but I know how to stop that from happening already

[knotty bear]

Guys lowk should I automate encased steel

[jagged nymph]

you should, in fact you have to automate everything

[dense violet]

automate every part (except maybe space parts)

[mortal ginkgo]

you should automate everything so yes

[jagged nymph]

no you should still automate those

since you need them for the next phase

[cunning glade]

i just waiting for it too rain in game tbh

[jagged nymph]

you can change the setting to make it rain alot

[knotty bear]

Uhhhh hm... encased steel, what if instead of making a facility I just yoink resources off my sushi belt and make a whole 3 encased steel per minute at most

[jagged nymph]

i mean thats probably not nearly enough but you do you

[cunning glade]

def isnt

[knotty bear]

I leave my computer on overnight most nights on this game when I get into this game

And then have to desperately cool my computer

[jagged nymph]

why not just bring in some more materials? its just coal iron and limestone

[cunning glade]

why?

[jagged nymph]

why though theres no point in doing that

[knotty bear]

resources

[jagged nymph]

if you have to do that its a sign you arent producing enough materials

[jagged nymph]

make more. You shouldnt have to do that

[cerulean vector]

Absolutely. It's super easy once you designate overflow to that project with smart splitters too. Ficsit does not waste

[jagged nymph]

im gonna be making 100 encased beams and thats not including nuclear. If i do nuclear thats alot moer

[knotty bear]

I guess I can find more iron and coal and limestone :/

[dense violet]

very common combination of materials

[knotty bear]

Found pure iron at least

All the resources are within 300m ig.

[jagged nymph]

you should use tractors to bring the sutff over to celebrate the new pathing

cooler tahn belts

[rain wedge]

when will phase5 be a thing

[jagged nymph]

wdym

[rain wedge]

i want new tiers 🙂

[jagged nymph]

why? they already added phase 5

the last phase.

which is never changing

atleast no time soon

[knotty bear]

Why is my normal limestne note mining

[jagged nymph]

phase 5 was designed to be the last phase. I dont even know how they would do another phase unless it was like a space travel dlc or smth but thats very unlikely

[rain wedge]

tier9 is phase4 🤔

[jagged nymph]

no its not?

tier 9 is phase 5

7 and 8 is phase 4

[rain wedge]

7 n 8 is phase3 lmao

[jagged nymph]

no it isnt???

phase 3 is oil

[mortal ginkgo]

You are confusing everyone including yourself by thinking "phase 5 being a thing AFTER finishing it."

You are IN that phase if you did NOT finish it yet.

[jagged nymph]

phase 0 is onboarding, phase 1 is the first stuff, with the 50 smart plating req, phase 2 is coal and steel, phse 3 is oil stuff and trains, phase 4 is particle accelerators and blenders and stuff, phase 5 is the complex alien reality breaking stuff

[mortal ginkgo]

What you need to say is phase 6.

[rain wedge]

wait a min i forgot phase5 is just sending the resources to the sky nvm completed that long ago 🤔

[jagged nymph]

thats what all the phases are...

[mortal ginkgo]

My brother... you are REALLY confused.

Its time to go bed.

[jagged nymph]

on the top of your screen, does it say COMPLETE phase 5 or does it say UNLOCK phase 5

[rain wedge]

legit confused bcus i completed it like 1-2 day after 1.0 release lol

too long ago

[mortal ginkgo]

you are too old grandpa

😭

[rain wedge]

VERY*

unc pro max

[knotty bear]

Okay automated encased steel beams

[jagged nymph]

how mayn

[knotty bear]

idk ye

[jagged nymph]

fym you dont know

how do you not know

[knotty bear]

You think I do math?

[jagged nymph]

i mean you kinda have to, how else do you know how much stuff you need to make?

[knotty bear]

I can go look at the thereoetical rate

Thereoetically 12 per minute.

If I change a few things I'll hit that

[jagged nymph]

well its not lkike your machines make a variable amount

[knotty bear]

I'm making too little concrete per minute is the issue.

[jagged nymph]

make more then

[dense violet]

does math for you https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=XS01ikcGjcI7ADpTtlan

[knotty bear]

The only time I actually calculated anything I think I got like 17 motors per minute and did so much stuff.
Will probably have to do something similar again.

[dense violet]

17 motors 😛 https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=rgw7wLTLuZeju3OzeFKF

[jagged nymph]

i think im gonna be doing 30 motors iirc

[knotty bear]

It may have been 10, I used this tool.

[dense violet]

fair 🙂 just pointing out you didn't have to do math yourself

[bleak valley]

I don’t know how people have such neat logistics even when I try and be clean I find some bottleneck

Unless I’m putting machines too close together

[pale cedar]

question how can i get a jekpack

[steady yacht]

started a new run with random nodes and all of the custom difficulty settings maxed, it's SATISFYINGLY challenging

5x power requirement is rough

[jagged nymph]

in phase 3

[pale cedar]

7 o 8 ?

[jagged nymph]

5

[dense violet]

the power requirement thing is funny honestly, it seems like you could easily set it high enough that power stations become power negative

[pale cedar]

that is face 2

[jagged nymph]

huh

[jagged nymph]

no its not

[dense violet]

like I made a 90gw fuel station once that needed close to 15gw just to run

at 5x cost it would be taking 75 out of the 90 to run

which is very silly

[pale cedar]

I cant send pic over here

[knotty bear]

Is there some way that I can make my lights flicker

[jagged nymph]

#screenshots message
@pale cedar saying that its phase 2 implies that the onboarding phase is phase -1

[woeful sinew]

I DID THE CALCULATIONS WRONG AND WAISTED HOURS 😭

[dense violet]

of?

[jagged nymph]

did you do them wrong or something

[woeful sinew]

Im setting up a factory for 20 heavy mod frames a min

[jagged nymph]

and then what?

[woeful sinew]

and made way to many reinforced plates p/m for what i need

[pale cedar]

I thought you were talking about the hub, not the ship.

[jagged nymph]

its the same thing

[dense violet]

ah well it's always good to double check your math if you like doing it manually

with a planner it can confirm things in a few seconds

[jagged nymph]

the hub and space elevator phases are exactly the same thing

[woeful sinew]

i made 80 pm and only need 35.56 pm

[jagged nymph]

#screenshots message
thats saying you need to finish phase 2 to unlock it

just like it says in the top right of your screen

[wet viper]

is there a hotkey or easier way to enable/disable a vehicles autopilot?

[jagged nymph]

and again, that would imply that onboarding is phase -1, which its not

[knotty bear]

#screenshots message is this clear enough?
Do I need more signs?
Do I need brigther?

[dense violet]

if you want? #design-and-architecture is a good place to talk about that, you can post pics in there

[knotty bear]

Ah\

[woeful sinew]

why is my radar being so wonky it will only detect deposits sometimes

[orchid pollen]

Patch notes for 1.2 EXP looking fire, not gonna lie. Can’t wait for it to come to console when it’s fully stable and completed.

[jagged nymph]

im really hungry

[brittle dune]

satisfactory modeller my beloved

[bleak valley]

Hog protein

[rose lintel]

Well….after watching the Dev preview on 1.2 I almost feel like I should put my game on hold till it’s out

[jagged nymph]

y

[rose lintel]

Mostly the vehicle pathing an road building

[jagged nymph]

just use the current one until then

and when it comes out on console you can just switch to the new one

[dense violet]

road building isn't really changing

[lavish dagger]

Can we use mods with 1.2 experimental rn?

[dense violet]

the biggest thing is if you are planning lots of trucks I guess?

but that's often very niche

[heavy mist]

Good morning chat

[tardy elbow]

road building in urban areas always felt kinda bad before

im hoping 1.2 does improve it a lot
...but i'm doubting all the issues i had with it will be resolved (so im trying to keep my expectations low)

[smoky flame]

This is the first time for me getting a major update while actively playing this game, as I haven't played this game since few years ago, so how long does it take between experimental release to official stable release?

[ocean warren]

i cant fix the blueprint bug please help. I opened a question in the questions section

[sterile blade]

Months, normally at least one

[jagged nymph]

what bp bug

[keen flame]

how do i unlock the funguslike growth tree

[normal orbit]

In mam? You need mycelia

Find it in rocky desert or caves predominantly

[potent chasm]

how do i report a bug?

[sterile blade]

From the QA site, linked in the main menu of the game or all around this server (like #welcome)

[keen flame]

alrighty thanks :)

[bright echo]

Hey so how long does it usually take for exp to hit live?

[sterile blade]

A month or more

[normal orbit]

1.1 took 2,5 months

[bright echo]

Thank you. I can wait 😄

[keen flame]

does caterium have any use ither than being made into quickwure

[mossy ingot]

What’s your opinions on multiplayer? (Question for anyone)

[normal orbit]

Can be made into wire

[keen flame]

oh alright

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch caterium ingot

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=caterium+ingot

[ocean warren]

i wrote in the questions section

[warm vector]

I have a train problem can someone give a hand?

[mossy ingot]

I tried to do multiplayer (we’re both new) but he was doing everything alone and not including me in any research so everything was basically handed to me. I decided to just say let’s not play this anymore. It was spoiling everything. And since he was hosting , he could access the game anytime and had been playing the coop world without me…. (He got upset with me and told me to delete everything if I wanted) I just wanted to be included idk 🙁 . I feel like the only way to play multiplayer is just play your own solo game until you have no more spoilers ? I’m sad he left, I hope he is okay. 🙁

[jagged nymph]

#1038092680493801533

[sterile blade]

Step 1 of a good multiplayer experience: finding a good game to play
Step 2 of a good multiplayer experience: finding a player with good enough character to have fun playing with

Fun in single player requires only one step, so it's a tad easier to achieve...

[bright echo]

Agree. Sounds like a incompatibility. I would find ways todo stuff together to have fun

[mossy ingot]

Yeah he was literally playing without me too , idk why he wouldn’t just play his own single player world instead.

[sterile blade]

🤷‍♂️ you're the one who's supposed to know them, we can just guess blindly

[real shale]

🍣

[mossy ingot]

How long does this game take to finish all the objectives ?

Or is there more after that?

[real shale]

Depends, could take 60, could take 600

[sterile blade]

I reckon most people finish within a couple hundred hours

[real shale]

Me not finishing until 1500 hours

[mossy ingot]

O: that’s a lot lol

[jagged nymph]

however long you want, like nerdmojer said it can take 60, or it can take even over a thousand. Id say most people do spend a few hundred though

[sterile blade]

By "finish" I just mean going through all the milestones, BTW

[jagged nymph]

its also very replayable though, especially with 1.2

[mossy ingot]

Yeah just the milestones

[sterile blade]

I reckon that most people who make it to this Discord server don't quit the game before a couple hundred hours... (even if they did finish all milestones)
Ie: most people here go for multiple playthroughs, imo

[mossy ingot]

Oh yeah multiple play throughs is a must

[jagged nymph]

hmm i want to use trucks for these nodes that are fairly far away but i dont have anything to use for fuel

im using all the nearby coal

tractors*

[sterile blade]

Get a Coal tractor running first? ^^

[jagged nymph]

i would also need alot of stations though

cause i need to bring in 7 max belt capacity nodes

[swift turret]

This maybe the best year ever, we're getting subnatica 2 and satisfactory 1.2

[jagged nymph]

technically we could get 1.3 too, unlikely but possible

[oblique aspen]

in this year? seems rather unlikely

[real shale]

Could happen December, updates tend to be like what 9 months apart ish?

actually, no it wouldn't because of when the stable releases

[jagged nymph]

its very unlikely they do 1.3 this year, but it could happen

[real shale]

Two major updates in the same year have happened before

Update 6 and 7 were like 3 months apart iirc

[jagged nymph]

wow

[real shale]

As was 4 and 5 being same year updates

Although since update 8 the trends usually been one major update in a year

[jagged nymph]

which is plenty

[real shale]

oh yeah for the quality they come out, for sure

like zero issues on 1.2 experimental so far, i was doing a bunch of testing yesterday and there like very little oddities, the only buggy thing i found was nudging truck stations on paths

[jagged nymph]

yeah i havnty found issues yet

[real shale]

I am claiming the floating truck technology

I will ensure FICSIT patents it accordingly

[crystal cedar]

Uh js came back what exactly rbi talking abt?

Smth in 1.2?

[real shale]

yeah, albeit i didnt realised i wasnt in experimental chat, but with the new update theres a "glitch" that you can make the trucks float on their paths

[crystal cedar]

:o

[real shale]

because the paths were given some leeway on incline to ensure they could navigate natural terrain, so long as theres a foundation or something 3m below the path, it registers it as valid even if the truck isnt driving over anything

[dense violet]

the milestones are really just a tutorial. Ever play minecraft? killing the enderdragon doesn't mean teh game is 'over'.
in this example phase 5 is the ender dragon

[jagged nymph]

except id say that finishing phase 5 is more of an end than the dragon in minecraft. Id say most people stop there

[jagged nymph]

but you can absolutely continue after that, especially if you like building massive, visually amazing factories

[real shale]

you say that as if that isnt the case with people and minecraft during their "2 week minecraft" phases

[jagged nymph]

yeah but thats more jsut cause they get bored of minecraft than "aight we beat the game lets stop now"

personally i usually dont even beat the dragon lol i forget about it most of the time

[dense violet]

you can do the sloppiest dirtiest systems and limp to phase 5. It is not a difficult goal in any sense.
This is a sandbox. There's no end of resources, there's no 'levels' you complete, boss you defeat and you don't have access to the most of your things until you complete what is effectively, a tutorial.

It's a sandbox game

[jagged nymph]

yeah i mean the world record is like 7 hours lol

[crystal cedar]

.

[sterile blade]

Yeah, I don't think Updates as fast as the early ones are feasible, with the game so big and posihed already ^^

[crystal cedar]

I h8 wr ppl

[jagged nymph]

why?

[real shale]

yeah, i am happy with what we got, but im curious what other small undocumented changes we got

[jagged nymph]

yeah theres not much more to do tbh other than some qol stuff.

[real shale]

because i dont remember reading about fluid capacity buffs for freight cars and platforms in the notes but we got those

[oblique aspen]

no, those were not documented

[jagged nymph]

ooh whats the limit now

[dense violet]

yeah that was in the patch notes

[real shale]

Didn't see it in #patch-notes is it in the steam version?

[real shale]

2400 and 3200

[oblique aspen]

fluid cars are 2400 now (from 1600), stations are 3200 (from 2400)

[jagged nymph]

nice

[dense violet]

#patch-notes message

[real shale]

Yeah, I don't see it mentioning the fluid capacity buffs for freight cars or train stations, i gotta be blind

[oblique aspen]

that only talks about the new fluid truck

[dense violet]

oh for train cars? did they do that?

[real shale]

yeah

[dense violet]

weird

[real shale]

they got a silent buff

[sterile blade]

Hopefully they addressed the fluid loss on load already 🤞
Last time they did patch it, they didn't write about it in #patch-notes 🤦‍♂️

[oblique aspen]

like we said, train fluid cars got buffed to 2400 (from 1600), and stations to 3200

[real shale]

which in fairness i can see why, because fluid trucks already can hold more fluid than train cars can

[oblique aspen]

just comparing the size, fluid train cars should also just be 3200

[real shale]

honestly, im happy with it being 2400

If it was 3200 it would just hurt truck viability, you trade off capacity for speed and vice versa with trains vs trucks

[oblique aspen]

trucks already have different up and downsides

[real shale]

and truck path can also go on 4m inclines, which railways cant

well unless you work black magic

[oblique aspen]

trains require building infrastructure, but once the infrastructure is setup, it should be unbeatable. but i guess you can use multiple cars anyway

[real shale]

Trucks have become a LOT more viable now, especially now that deadlocking is much harder to do

[sterile blade]

Does overlaying multiple different kinds of vehicle paths count as a new type of sushi...?

[real shale]

lot more flexibility with routing

[oblique aspen]

i rarely use trucks because managing their fuel annoys me, i much rather build trains and more power, but thats just my brain 😄

[sterile blade]

Even if the pathing wasn't better, the new path-making system is plenty enough to make them finally viable from me
That's a game-changer in how fast, easily and accurately routes can be created

[real shale]

oh yeah, like this is amazing stuff theyve done here, and the best part is they have automatic signalling too

[dense violet]

fuel them with plutonium rods, last for hours, only need one fueling point 😛

[real shale]

no more two trucks coming face to face accidentally and going "welp, this is it"

[sterile blade]

I'm a bit saddened we can't make "normal" autopiloted routes too though... It feels like a bit of a needless loss :/

[real shale]

the one thing i did notice though, is that when truck paths crossover, they dont swap between who gets priority

so one way you can deadlock is by clocking a path up with so many trucks that crossing trucks physically cant pass

[sterile blade]

Wdym?

[jagged nymph]

do i need 2 truck stations for a full belt

[real shale]

basically, if several trucks occupy a path consecutively

any trucks looking to merge or cross over wait until all of those trucks pass

it doesnt go "oh its your turn now"

[jagged nymph]

or i guess the yhave 2 input/outputs

[sterile blade]

Ohhh... Traffic too dumb to figure out all possible situations? XD

[real shale]

yeah, so you have to be careful not to add like 100 trucks to the same path lmao

[sterile blade]

They also don't stop when vehicles are docking, so you can sustain one or two full belts/pipes so long as vehicles keep docking frequently enough

[jagged nymph]

oh nice

[clever pier]

everyone seems to be talking about experimental in this channel ?

[oblique aspen]

its kind of weird that the truck station and train station are different in that way

[sterile blade]

Proceeds to make a comment about having tons of trucks to keep max throughput

[sterile blade]

The excitement spills over on every channel

[brittle dune]

Yeah, ironically, fuel distribution becomes a lot easier when you get drones

When trucks (tractors) are the first transport method(s) you get and drones are the last

[clever pier]

yeah I feel like I would actually use trucks with this updaet

while normally I just skip them and go straight to trains

but you an always use trucks to carry fuel to truck stations

and remember trucks can run on solid fuel, or coal or anything

[jagged nymph]

well good to know you can actually get 2 full belts of throughput from a truck station

[oblique aspen]

i do usually have like some very early game trucks running on raw coal 😛

[clever pier]

why not? the coal nodes never run out

[oblique aspen]

but i tend to not expand it after that and just go train

[clever pier]

can even run them on liquid biofuel

[jagged nymph]

yeah im absolutely gonna use em

[jagged nymph]

ewww

you have to manually feed that

[oblique aspen]

yeah all the manual LBF i create is for my jetpack 😄

[clever pier]

yes but you can put a lot in at a time

[jagged nymph]

lol if you try to snap a SPWN next to another SPWN it snaps it into the air

specifically to the back of another spwn

[sterile blade]

Technically, that could be as simple as dumping your exploration inventory in a storage container; smart splitters can handle it from there ^^

[jagged nymph]

i never collect biomatter unless im specifically going out to grab it for whatever reason

and having to keep doing that just for my trucks does not sound like a fun time

[sterile blade]

I didn't use to go out specifically for biomass either, but with Sloops I had enough alien remains to keep running a Liquid Biofuel powerplant up until nuclear (Up to 10 GW at peak consumption, I kept some Generators off most of the time)

[west inlet]

Will there be an achievement for completing Phase 5 in the new "hard" mode? (everything to the max)

[jagged nymph]

i dont like that though because thats an incredibly hard challenge

and most people wont be able to get all achievments

maybe you get a special ingame item though

kinda like the golden nut

thatd be cool

[green fiber]

No new achievements so likely just bragging rights

[jagged nymph]

actually not hard just tedious

[real salmon]

10k nuclear spaghetti without tier 9 would be practically impossible 🥀

[jagged nymph]

which is even worse

[jagged nymph]

also remember EVERY SINGLE STEP of production needs 100x resources

[real salmon]

yeah so instead of 2 hours of waiting it's now 200 hours

[jagged nymph]

no i dont think you realize how insane that is

[west inlet]

I know it would take ages xD
but if it takes long just build bigger

[jagged nymph]

no im talking like 2000 hours of waiting

or more

alot more

oh wait the recipe cost only goes up to 2

i thought it also went up to 100

i mean thats still crazy

[west inlet]

There is one Recipe that might save the think because you need big so you need Energy with also is 1/5. Diluted Packaged Fuel is not change because there is Packaed stuff in it

[jagged nymph]

plus 5x power consumption

which doesnt even mean build 5x more power plants, because the power plants themselves use more power

[west inlet]

100 would be imposible

[real salmon]

not enough resources on the map

[jagged nymph]

it would be possible

[jagged nymph]

yeah there are, resource nodes are unlimited

[real salmon]

per minute generation i mean

[jagged nymph]

the game never requires a certain amount per minte

[west inlet]

true

[real salmon]

i guess

[jagged nymph]

even if you only make 0.01 per minute youll get there eventually

or 0.0000000000000000000001

[west inlet]

unless you dont have the power for it

[jagged nymph]

power is also unlimited

[west inlet]

How?

[jagged nymph]

wdym how

set up a power plant, there you go unlimited power

[crystal cedar]

DANG. CSS IS SUCH A GOOD STUDIO. 1.2 TRAILER IS SO GOOD

[jagged nymph]

and technically you can setup a massive biofuel plant and feed it with creature remains for an unlimited megawatt amount

[crystal cedar]

It has already been done.

[west inlet]

I mean yes i thout of qantety

[real salmon]

not sustainable + you would go insane feeding that many biofuel burners

[jagged nymph]

thats why i said technically, you theoretically can but no sane person would do it

and youd just have to dump it in chests and auto process it

you dont have to manually feed them

but rocket fuel or nuclear is plenty

[west inlet]

I think Nuclear might be (without Checking) not worth it because you need more Power then you get out

[jagged nymph]

true cause 5x cpst

[hard ivy]

nah, it's not that bad

[west inlet]

Rocket is the way as always aspecialy because "Diluted Packaged Fuel" is not change

[shrewd widget]

hi everyone, I noticed that available storage for cloud saves on steam has been decreased, anyone know why? steamdb shows 953.67 MiB (and I remember that number), but in steam I see 502.28 MB available

[pallid umbra]

arent MiB and MB different things ?

[jagged nymph]

yes, they are

[shrewd widget]

well, not 2x

[hard ivy]

not by nearly 2x though

[real salmon]

rocket fuel seems simple

[jagged nymph]

it is, especially if you do nitro

+diluted for super good

[real salmon]

yeah but i need sulfur 🥀

[jagged nymph]

then use it

[real salmon]

there are like no cool looking spots around sulfur nodes

besides the blue crater

[jagged nymph]

thats where imma do my rocket plant

all the stuff is right there

[real salmon]

yeah i set up a turbo fuel plant there already

honestly i might just do it

[jagged nymph]

you could convert that into a rocket plant

[real salmon]

and move the turbo fuel over and make it from that

yeah

[pseudo zinc]

sup
-# ⓘ This person is wanted in several countries. It is advised that you do not intract with this person.

[real glade]

Should i question?

[pseudo zinc]

...

[real glade]

That pfp tells me everything

[jagged nymph]

he just added something at the bottom of his message

sup
-# ⓘ i am a silly goose

[real glade]

Or better said It doesn't tell me your search history

[jagged nymph]

see look i can do it too woah!!!!!!!!!!!

[real glade]

How

[jagged nymph]

just add "-#" before the line you want to look like that

[real glade]

-# blah

[pseudo zinc]

=>

[jagged nymph]

like "-# ⓘ This person is wanted in several countries. It is advised that you do not intract with this person."

[real glade]

Oh thanks!

[fossil oyster]

Masochist Run:

• Everything Impure
• x100 Space Elevator Costs
• x5 Power Consumption Costs
• x0.5 Production multiplier

Who's with me?

[real glade]

-# ™ this person IS known on several nations and/or countries for killing,stealing and doing different ilegal stuff if you see him please report to THE local authirities

[real glade]

IS some stuff that my oc has made

IS called neorest and IS my pfp

[real glade]

Ha ha ha how about
-# NO

[fossil oyster]

I think it will require a ton of underclocking and an absolute fuckton of machines

[real glade]

I would preffer to fuck myself more than playing that way

[fossil oyster]

Are the milestones also considered space elevator parts?

[real glade]

Uhm

Idk

[fossil oyster]

I guess not

20,000 Ballistic Warp Drives is not too bad. In my current save I can do that in a couple of hours. But with double resource costs....Every production step is doubled. It's just nuts

I wonder if trains also have x5 power consumption, probably yes, it's belts all the way !

A fully slooped quantum encoder at 250% will take down any grid

[jagged nymph]

oh yeah thats like 150,000 mw....

[zenith pecan]

With my current production, 20,000 ballistic warp drives would take a while, and nuke my portal network due to the singularity cells.

150,000mw, not a problem, I could spare the electric to run several 😄

[fossil oyster]

Yeah, currently, but not with double resource costs for everything. You can't really build 1 TW factories anymore since all recipe costs are doubled

[green fiber]

Finally a reason to use trucks since they mostly use fuel

[jagged nymph]

but you use power to make that fuel

[fossil oyster]

Haha yeah but they will be resource expensive too. It's belts all the way

[jagged nymph]

power AND resources, 2x resources per production step in fact

[green fiber]

But how much power compared to how much a train takes

[green fiber]

Sounds boring tbh

[fossil oyster]

Yeah belts are boring, I agree

[zenith pecan]

To be fair, I thought enough woah when I saw particle accelerators hitting 15,000 haha, especially when rows of them went up.

[green fiber]

Belts and Pipes all the way

[fossil oyster]

I have 6 fully slooped quantum machines all taking 26k at max. My power fluctuates from 1 TW upto 1.2 TW sometimes :D

[green fiber]

Gonna need lots of Augmenters

[zenith pecan]

Urgh, ok I guess I will start with nuclear.

[fossil oyster]

But 1.2 adds no post-game stuff, I'm kind of disappointed

[zenith pecan]

Aw 🙁

[west inlet]

I think playing the Game on "Hard" mode is a good Poste game xD

[zenith pecan]

I'm nearing the end of a 200h rebuild, I'll start building to manufacture random crap again.

I literally blew up the dunes near three weeks ago, everything, including the space elevator demolished to build properly.

[fossil oyster]

Yeah, it's "Hard" mode but it's also the "wait patiently" build. Normally you would rush for certain milestones

[west inlet]

I think to figure out Power is the Hard part

[fossil oyster]

Like, GL getting 5000 smart plates with mk1 belts in any timely manner lol

[jagged nymph]

well you can do 6 mk1 belts

[zenith pecan]

Do that in parallel, though I wouldn't want to do the build or belt work.

[west inlet]

I Curnshed some numbers its so bad Turbo is barly worth it maybe even not worth it. But the Alt for Rocket is crzay

[fossil oyster]

Yeah nitro rocket fuel will be better than nuclear

And it's even easier now since you should not use diluted fuel or heavy oil residue due to the double costs. Just straight crude oil into fuel into nitro rocket fuel

[jagged nymph]

yeag

[fossil oyster]

Did you do the math on recycled rubber/plastic? They are so brokenly OP with HOR/Diluted Fuel alts, but since they are all more expensive, is it even possible to make onw?

I think not.

[west inlet]

heavy oil residue is not changed because it need something packed so its still better

[jagged nymph]

everyone talking about the hardest mode, what about everything on the easiest setting??

[fossil oyster]

It's not changed?

[fossil oyster]

1000/min BWD will be easy.

[west inlet]

yes you can look yourself in Gamemode (might be a bug)

[fossil oyster]

I'm at work right now and haven't downloaded 1.2 since I don't want to change my 1.6 TW factory save :P

[jagged nymph]

oh wait are packagers just shit now

[fossil oyster]

I assume they did not apply this to packagers, that would be silly

[jagged nymph]

maybe

imma check

[fossil oyster]

Like, you would 1/4th any package/unpackage setup lol

[west inlet]

all Recipes that have something Packaged arent changed

[zenith pecan]

My entire spire project relies on the voodoo that is recycled, no actual hard material inputs aside from what I insert before pressing the power button, and fuel, that would so break if something changed.

[jagged nymph]

oh

[fossil oyster]

package 100 crude oil into 50 packaged crude oil.
Unpackage 50 crude oil into 25 Liquid Crude oil.
Lmao

[reef basin]

Afaik nothing in the game requires per minute production

[fossil oyster]

Correct.

[jagged nymph]

i wonder how much nuclear pasta you could make on easiest setting with all pure nodes with the perfectly optimized seed

and same thing with other spelevator parts

[fossil oyster]

A whole lot man, like, have you ever done the math on slooped everything?

[jagged nymph]

but 2000 pasta/minute sounds funny

[fossil oyster]

It just balloons completely

[jagged nymph]

its prolly alot more than that even

[jagged nymph]

yeah

[jagged nymph]

probably more than 10000

and even that is probably an underestimation

[fossil oyster]

Like, normally, 1200 copper ore makes 3000 copper ingot which makes 500 copper powder.
with half costs, 1200 copper ore makes 6000 copper ingot which makes 2000 copper powder.
And that's just 2 production steps

Pressure Cubes have like 10? Every production step is doubled, it's insane

[jagged nymph]

yeah that plus maximizing the world so that almsot everything is pure copper nodes

[fossil oyster]

So, 1 pure copper node can make 2000 copper powder. 2000 copper powder can make 10 nuclear pasta with half costs. LOL

[jagged nymph]

LOL

[fossil oyster]

Sorry, added a 0. It's 10, but it's still nuts

No, wait.

It's 20

So 1 pure copper node can support 20 nuclear pasta

[jagged nymph]

no its 10

oh wait no

cause the pasta is half too

[fossil oyster]

Yeah

It's just wild, everything balloons quickly

[jagged nymph]

i think theres like 450 total nodes iirc, and assuming you use 10 for the pcc, which i think you dont even need that much. thats 440 pure copper nodes, which is 8800 np

[fossil oyster]

It's basiclaly unlimited sloops without the power cost

[jagged nymph]

but even better, you can still sloop on top of that

[fossil oyster]

Haha, oh yes

[jagged nymph]

actually but theres limited sloops

no where near enough for how many machines youll have

[hard ivy]

Greeny's boutta get an aneurysm because now he has to add multipliers to Tools XD

[jagged nymph]

haha

i dont think thats too bad actually

depending on his implementation

[fossil oyster]

Wait, @reef basin makes satisfactory tools? Can you add a resource multiplier? :D

[jagged nymph]

yeah greeny will it be hard to do that?

[near frost]

Also Modler

[jagged nymph]

i assume you can just multiply the recipe cost by the multiplier when you do the calculation no?

[hard ivy]

He's definitely not adding that to current tools
Unless it's piss easy but I doubt it

[fluid sapphire]

surely a multiplier would be easy to implement

[fossil oyster]

Depending on his current implementation, not too bad

[native tapir]

(adds resource dividers instead, forcing you to manually input fractions to get correct mult)

[near frost]

We need an update also to satisfactory map for the seeds

[jagged nymph]

true

[near frost]

Hopefully it's easy for them to update cuz I truly can't play without them

[fossil oyster]

Let me update my spreadsheet

[reef basin]

Not that easy

[fossil oyster]

Uh, I haven't played 1.2, but is power doubled too? Like the burntime for a single plutonium fuel rod is 10 minutes. Does it now need 2 plutonium fuel rods?

[reef basin]

New tools yes, old tools no

[fossil oyster]

Similarly for other fuel types of course

[reef basin]

Don't think it changed (also technically burn time isn't defined, only energy value)

[fossil oyster]

Okay good, that would be even more masochistic

[sour girder]

Hello, I recently bought satisfactory on steam, previously I was playing in a "less official way", I loaded my previous world and there seems to be a ghost character from the "less official game" just sitting in one place

Any idea how to get rid of it?

[jagged nymph]

kill it

[sour girder]

wont die

[dense violet]

kill it. Also talking about pirated games on dev discord is brave

hit it a lot

[jagged nymph]

it takes quite a few hits

kill it, revive it, and if it doesnt dissapear kill it again

[sour girder]

I test games that way, then If I enjoy the game I buy it

[dense violet]

still

[jagged nymph]

still illegal

i wouldnt talk about it here tbh

[sour girder]

Should I delete my msg?

[jagged nymph]

nah

just dont discuss it here further

[sour girder]

Alright thanks

[fossil oyster]

Uh, I pirated Satisfactory in 2020 just to see if I liked it. I bought it a week later and have now nearly 2,000 hours in it.

[sour girder]

Im on a similar journey

[fossil oyster]

I too had the ghost character just sitting in that save game :D

[sour girder]

How did you get rid of it?

[fossil oyster]

I started a new save once I bought the game

[sour girder]

o

[real shale]

its like you guys dont even know that steam has a 2 hr refund timer

[sour girder]

Too less 🙁

[jagged nymph]

kill it, revive it, adn kill it again if its still there

[jagged nymph]

ikr thats what i always do

[remote siren]

thats bevause your pirated version didnt use your steam id, so now you connect with your steamid and it thinks its a new player (what it is basicly).
drag the old one under some foundation and forget about

[jagged nymph]

or like i said, kill it, revive it, and kill it again if its still there

[sour girder]

Oh I killed it

It just took a decent amount of hits

[remote siren]

or leave it there as a monument of shame

[jagged nymph]

true

[real shale]

man this swamp train station is going to take forever to complete aaa

why dont ramp walls zoop diagnonally like ramps

[jagged nymph]

who kuhnose

[dense badge]

F**k, now truck are usable, IT is more cool than train, but it use fuel, and train just electricity...

[little timber]

Trains are just cooler

I cant wait to start using them

[oblique aspen]

trains have always been cooler

[dense badge]

Train are an classic of every factory builder

[little timber]

Im supposed to study but now i should just play

[stone scarab]

Git gud

[ornate saffron]

Study, factory comes after education. A pioneer must be informed to be useful

[twin parcel]

FUEL ? just use plutonium cell . more range !!!!! jk

[ornate saffron]

*now

They will better when they hit main branch

[ornate saffron]

5h plus is great.

Ive never used a rod in a reactor. Only for vehicles

[fossil oyster]

Trains are still cooler than vehicles. Choo choo. 100 trains here

[dense badge]

But their no radioactivity?

[fossil oyster]

There is radioactivity when you are near them. But no radioactive waste

[dense badge]

Ok

[fossil oyster]

It's kinda OP. But also kind of annoying because all your ports are now super radioactive

[dense badge]

I'll pit in suggestion full generic train like in factorio and if they will do it i'll use train

Ouch... I had forgot that's are not suggestion Chanel in this game

[reef basin]

wdym "full generic train"?

[dense badge]

Train that are used at the demand of train station

[dense violet]

you can tell them to wait until full

[little timber]

Only if ada is finally content with me

[chrome iron]

Why should I use tractors if I can move belt over a distance isnt it easier

[dense violet]

if you don't want ugly belts all over the place?
easier to edit paths and tons of throughput?

but if you're new and just going up the tiers in the tuturial, learn what yo uwant to learn at any point in time

[chrome iron]

You still have to build stairs when there’s a mountain you saying that doesnt look ugly?

[dense badge]

They are waiting in an train depot and when an train station have x of this Item one train will come to the station to Pick up to an another station or an station have x Item and an train will come the designed delivery station to Pick Item and send it to the station.
But need more parameter in station and also need logic.

[dense violet]

part of the planning of logistics is planning relative factories and how they exchange items - yes if you build factories with tons of cliffs between them maybe that's a poor path for vehicles

[dense violet]

ok but all production and consumption in this game are static. So you'll always need a train to do the route.

[chrome iron]

I have built my stuff where there’s tons of mountains I would just wait till I get train unlock I think

[dense violet]

trains will also require a ton of infrastructure

especially with moutains, elevation changes aren't great for them

[reef basin]

you have options, which one you pick is up to you. Each has their own advantage and disadvantage

[ornate saffron]

you can do either or niether its users choice

[reef basin]

and yeah, trains require more infrastructure than trucks

[chrome iron]

Atleast it’s easier and less buggy, with wagons u know u can make it insert the items

[reef basin]

trucks aren't buggy

[dense violet]

trucks are fine?
they just take thought to learn.
like trains

[green fiber]

1.2 trucks especially fine

[dense violet]

even finer

[chrome iron]

Trucks aren’t bad I just think I don’t find a use for it

Especially in my area where there’s tons of mountains

[green fiber]

build some ramps or drive around them or use lifts first

[reef basin]

it's low-infrastructure medium-throughput transportation across medium distances 🤷

[dense badge]

It is more Simple to know how mamy train you need, faster and more easy to put in place, when you will destroy an factory or build one you don't will need do anything, and with this the track are no overload of train (greater when 150 train in work)

[dense violet]

hell, with a high density fuel type long distances are easy with trucks

[ornate saffron]

On SCIM you can select "roads" for all the natural dirt pathways. These are great routes for Pioneers, Trucks and Trains

[dense violet]

this makes zero sense
it just sounds like you want a button to push that 'makes train go'

which I'm sorry to say you're playing a planning and logistics game, you have to plan logistics.

[green fiber]

If im not mistaken 1.2 trucks come with automatic block signals basically (at least when theres an intersection)

[dense violet]

I've heard something similar

[chrome iron]

Wait so if I built framework factory and I need 240 iron a minute and coal the truck isnt gonna be fast enough like belt and are gonna have issue with not receiving the items in time

[green fiber]

Why would it?

[scenic mirage]

do yall use foundation patterns? what do you use them for?

[reef basin]

that's the same as if you have low tier belt, you build more

[green fiber]

decoration of course

[ornate saffron]

Ya, From what i can tell they just automaticly rexpect eachother, pause, and wait

[dense violet]

but honestly 1 truck can move 240 ppm pretty easily even with fairly long trip times

they have high storage

[green fiber]

Truck stations have 2 belt inputs and outputs

[dense badge]

Train, track, station, and his parameter/logic with this are not enought for the Inter-factory transport?

[green fiber]

So you can just funnel 2 belts in / out of them

[ornate saffron]

i would.... just make the factory where the ore is. Then use a method to move the end product.

[scenic mirage]

well ya but idek how itd be used lol

[dense violet]

yes, you build two stations, you set a train to go between them.
I have no idea what you're asking

[chrome iron]

Let me just wait till I get to oil then I’ll definitely lose my mind. Right now I definitely need more coal generator power I got like no power

[scenic mirage]

oil is just the start 😉

[dense violet]

find a spot with 3-4 coal nodes next to water, burn it all 🙂 \

[ornate saffron]

My Modular Engine factory needs 4/min of smart plates. I use a single factory cart to move them from my starrtr factory to the modular engine factory. Carts only have one slot but require no fuel

[dense badge]

Put when you had praticly fill the entire wolrd and to look estetic you need to send of one station to like 6 another station WHO this station are delivery by each 3 station and if one ressource are on to big quantity and lock the delivery of another Item and all your factory is useless...

[dense badge]

The generic is good if you use just train and you are on the very late late game

[dense violet]

1. you'll never fill the whole world, your computer will catch fire first
2. it's very easy to have hundreds of trains going all around the tracks, I don't think you know anything about trains in this game

[fossil oyster]

Oh god, I just calculated how much iron ore you need to make just a simple 2/min smart plates in a double resource cost game.
Base: 46.5/min iron ore
Double Resource Cost: 1040/min iron ore
LOL, and that's just something simple as smart plates. And 2/min is NOTHING

[dense violet]

so you're just making a lot of wild assumptions about a mechanic you don't know anything about

[dense badge]

I have 80 train

[ornate saffron]

yup every step doubles the last right? lol

[fossil oyster]

Yep. It's actually insane. I made a x5 power modifier in my spreadsheet as well. A simple 2/min smart plates factory takes 1000 MW of power LOL

[limpid cairn]

Oh wow my power grid grey line is still over my blue line

i wonder how long that will last

[dense violet]

then I have no idea how you've failed to understand trains , and "I'll pit in suggestion full generic train like in factorio and if they will do it i'll use train" made it really sound like you don't use trains

[ornate saffron]

dont fly to close to the sun icarus

[chrome iron]

Bruh I have mk1 miner building all sorts of things with my iron node 120/m rn no iron near my factory I’ll replace to mk2 miner and I somehow need to split the iron so I’ll have more iron to build other things. Great

I basically just unlocked mk2 minerand mk3 belts

I think im gonna lose my mind

[limpid cairn]

can agree with the second part, trains are SO easy to setup in this game once you learn how to setup proper railroads

in factorio i perma lose my mind over trains

😭

[real shale]

im convinced in factorio they do anything but grow the factory

[dense violet]

in satisfactory every system you make you can choose to make anywhere from brain dead simple to brain meltingly complex.

really just up to you

[reef basin]

they are practically the same as in SF

[chrome iron]

Why play factorio when there’s a 3d game about factory building

[reef basin]

why play Satisfactory when there's a 2d game about factory building

[green fiber]

Flavour

[limpid cairn]

NAHHHH NOT AT ALL

[green fiber]

Why Minecraft when Terraria

[reef basin]

yeah. Signals follow same rules, the only exception being path signals instead of chain signals (but they work very similarly)

[limpid cairn]

they work similar but trains are more complex

to actually get same results like in sf you need to think too much

[green fiber]

It actually is that similar but our trains have less conditions for stations, which means less for you to screw up

[reef basin]

they can do more complex stuff
you don't need to use that stuff

you can easily make simple trains the same way you do in SF

[analog jetty]

Does the server manager work for 1.2?

[dense badge]

I need to recreate an New gamę because all my factory are... Not the greatest

[dense violet]

everyone learns

[limpid cairn]

tbh im happy that i ditched trains in sf and factorio

[green fiber]

Now you can go full trucker freak here

[limpid cairn]

i got a too big of a headache with 4 20 trains in factorio and im too lazy to build another world wide train track in sf!

[reef basin]

you can also build new factories elsewhere and keep the old ones

[ornate saffron]

you can always just abandon and build more elsewhere. you dont NEED to make a new save.

that being said there is advantages to restarting. Just beware of burn out

[real shale]

truck supremacy

[dense violet]

just build the main path as needed - no need for world wide system

[green fiber]

Worldwide train network is overvalued tbh

[reef basin]

well, nothing says you need to build world wide tracks. Build only what you need

[limpid cairn]

why go trucks when factory carts exist

[green fiber]

Same thing, different package

[tall lantern]

why go vehicles when other players exist

[ornate saffron]

#satisfactory message

[real shale]

why go other players when uhhhhhh... the game exists

[green fiber]

Why transport when you can just handcraft all in one spot

[ornate saffron]

the nothingness of the void calls us all. We will join eventually

[real shale]

wait, if we can have floating trucks in 1.2.... that means floating factory carts are also possible

exactly as planned

[dense badge]

The success had begin when i had been in the midle/late game do i have that i have just in satisfactory and no steam, another need restart an New game and other that i have

[limpid cairn]

what even is different in 1.2?

[real shale]

#patch-notes

• railway painting + train fluid capacity buff (both car and platform) + new helmets in customisation

[ornate saffron]

sign zooping and a few small things

[limpid cairn]

WAIT

[real shale]

waiting

[ornate saffron]

i know sign zooping OP

[limpid cairn]

THEY ADDED SPACE ELEVATOR MULTIPLIERS?

OMG I FEEL LIKE IN FACTORIO

I NEED TO DO A 1000X RUN HAWHDHAWHDHAWH

[real shale]

cant, max is 100x

[dense violet]

nothing stopped you from making 10000x the space parts

[real shale]

unless you wanna mod

[fossil oyster]

100x is easy. The actually hard game is double resource costs.

[limpid cairn]

my pc is 😭

[fossil oyster]

2/min smart plating is 1040 iron ore per minute, compared to the default 46.5 iron ore per minute

[ornate saffron]

100x phase parts PLUS 2x part costs would melt my face

[fossil oyster]

I think people won't finish games for years

[limpid cairn]

i might try it in my summer break

lets see how far i can go without loosing my mind

wait

[fossil oyster]

Like, good luck making 100,000 nuclear pasta for phase 5 with double resource costs, lol

[limpid cairn]

does completing stuff also take like 8h like in factorio 1000x runs?

[dense violet]

I mean you make 10 ppm of each and it just takes 1000 minutes

[ornate saffron]

Please ffs Backup your save and blueprints

[limpid cairn]

Sloops might come in handy

[fossil oyster]

Might? They will, haha

1 nuclear pasta per minute costs 3840 copper ore

And that's using the pure copper recipe

And that's not evne including pressure conversion cubes, lol

[ornate saffron]

you if you are doing 100x and double costs all pure nodes is recommender.

although all impure may add to the insanity

[real shale]

mmmm yummy pure uranium

[fossil oyster]

Impure, 5x power, 2x resource costs, 100x space elevator parts

Might even be "impossible"

[limpid cairn]

mhh i think i have an idea to handle it

[ornate saffron]

last someone said there spawn point had 4x pure uranium nuds. I told the to save the seed # someone may want lol

[fossil oyster]

Like, some alts are just straight trash. Recycled plastic/rubber is unusable.

[real shale]

lmao

its wild that two of those nodes is more than the uranium on the default map

[limpid cairn]

is there a mod that speeds up the game?

or command

[ornate saffron]

almost no mods work on 1.2 currently

[real shale]

You have that for base game, its called forgetting how long you've been playing

[fossil oyster]

I have it enabled by default

[limpid cairn]

is there a date when 1.2 is on main branch?

[ornate saffron]

some of us call this tunnel into autism "the flow state"

[dense violet]

it literally just got on exp xD

[ornate saffron]

no,

i expect summer at earliest. likely fall

essentially

Not til its ready

[limpid cairn]

summer is perfect i guess?

[abstract heron]

its like day 1 after the update

[real shale]

can always play on experimental at your own risk and transfer the save over to main branch when it drops

[abstract heron]

<@&370483737957236737> for WHEN 1.2 comes to stable Will we get a trailer?

[obsidian zodiac]

yeh leo we'll make a trailer. not sure what kind yet but there will be something!

[void gorge]

YOU WILL GET

16 TRAILERS

[abstract heron]

also hows the update at the office did u peeps get sleep?

[void gorge]

ALL OF THEM 17 MIN LONG

JASON IS ON IT RIGHT NOW

[obsidian zodiac]

no

[void gorge]

WROAAAAARR

[abstract heron]

ALSO UPDATE THE chanels on YT

[void gorge]

Ok.

NO

[real shale]

Satisfactory Movie???

[abstract heron]

like playlists pls

[ornate saffron]

leo needs 69 trailers at 420 day of main branch release

[void gorge]

Nah in all seriousness, very low prio compared to a hundred other things that need doing

[abstract heron]

BUT do in a video in the past talking about how did u make that double stuff 🙂

[ornate saffron]

the 1.2 trailer was pure cinema

[obsidian zodiac]

ill do more of the silly mocap stuffs if people want it!

[real shale]

(insert absolute cinema pioneer sticker here)

[abstract heron]

jason or mikael PLEASE update the YT playlists i been having a TIME at mikael

[uneven path]

we need the pioneer doing the thriller dance

[real shale]

still want that barack obama skin

[abstract heron]

or at the end of a year like a funny video before peeps go away on Ficmas vacation a blooper video mikael or jason

can we pls have <@&370483737957236737> 🙂

[ornate saffron]

itll come with the extraction shooter update

[abstract heron]

also whats with the pepsi joke

[real shale]

Rainbow 6 Factory

[ornate saffron]

Obama gotta save the Numa Numa guy with the Help of AVGN

[uneven path]

Escape From MASSAGE 2-ABB

[real shale]

Finally (mostly) completed the roof of my new swamp train station, that took several hours man

[limpid cairn]

can we get another achievement that basically is only achieved by completing the game on max difficulty

like 100x space elevator double cost 5x power etc

[real shale]

pls no, i want my 100% achievement completion for this game

[uneven path]

Yeah I worked hard for my 100%, losing it to a bullshit achievement like that would suck

[ornate saffron]

At somepoint i realized i was one trphy short of completion...... which was the onboarding process lol

[void gorge]

Fun fact, us 3 Community ppl and our Producer literally talked about this 15min ago

Over the lunch table but could definitely pursue

[abstract heron]

or at the end of a year like a funny video before peeps go away on Ficmas vacation a blooper video mikael or jason

[limpid cairn]

i mean they could make it an hidden only ingame achievement