satisfactory

[gentle lava]

u could just snipe em so u dont get close

[mental wraith]

That's what I'm already doing lol

[gentle lava]

Oh lol

[mental wraith]

They really should do something, I'd pay an extra 40 euros for a spider-free DLC lol

[gentle lava]

Ive never seen someone have such a pure hatred for spiders 😭

[mental wraith]

Bro, I'm not a wimp, but this thing is truly my worst nightmare on earth

Seriously, my brain sends out the wrong hormones when it sees one

And I haven't even been to the marshes yet 😭

[gentle lava]

Goodluck playing this horror game Lmao

[mental wraith]

Also

How to kill monsters near green ore sources (probably uranium)

I have some next to my base and it's causing me problems lol

[gentle lava]

ye its uranium, and just shoot em a bunch till they drop if I were to guess

[acoustic bear]

need iodine filters

or a bunch of meds

[mental wraith]

I haven't unlocked it yet, but I tried killing them with handguns but I didn't succeed

I'll try again with long-range weapons

[gentle lava]

im pretty sure they are pretty tanky

[mental wraith]

They are, I've died 20 times

[gentle lava]

Have you thought of high ground

so they cant reach you

[mental wraith]

Yes, that's what I'm going to do, but the last time I went there I didn't have any long-range weapons yet and I just wanted to collect the electroslugs

[gentle lava]

Ah

Well goodluck with that

[mental wraith]

And it's 300m from my base

[gritty epoch]

How are people powering elevators? Im fussy with wire spaghetti and struggling to neatly tuck the wires against the wall to the node on the elevator

[timber willow]

I mean enable arachnophobia mode and visually they go away and are replaced by well to be fair something else which isn't much better depending if your a cat person

[timber willow]

Depends on size and placement since you only need to connect one wire to power them

[gritty epoch]

Yes im aware but im asking how people wire them without the cable being visible

[acoustic bear]

if you're really picky, you'll need a wiring floor underneath the production floor like a server room

and then string wire nodes along underneath

you can also string wires inside foundations vertically

that's always the easiest way to hide wire IMO, clip them through the machine and into the floor

[mental wraith]

As I've already said, this method doesn't stop my arachnophobia; it's poorly designed 😭

Bro the cat fucking fly on you

You know it's a fucking spider

• the songs ☠️

[timber willow]

Yeah understandable

[fast finch]

hi, where can i find my blueprint so i can build it? thanks

[mental wraith]

The only downside to satisfactory (for me)

[mental wraith]

Open the building tab

And it's in the topbar

[timber willow]

Yeah rereading the convo sounds like you need turbo rifle ammo or homing ammo

[fast finch]

its...not. i dont know why. i saved the blueprint and it's not there

[mental wraith]

I'm only at the train stage, and I'm not making any progress because I've been rebuilding my entire base for the last 5 days lol

[normal orbit]

may i introduce you to our lord and saviour the nuclear bomb :)

spiders go byebye

[mental wraith]

I'm not on my game, I'm AFK to let the factories run. I can't show you, sorry.

[mental wraith]

Does it exist???

[fast finch]

its ok

[mental wraith]

Nuclear bomb ?

[timber willow]

Oof I know the feeling I softlockes a few production lines because I built two much in a oil refining base to make the more phase 4 and 5 items and been trying to rebuild it as well

[fast finch]

i built straight lvl 2 of blueprint building and skipped lvl 1 and the tab wasn't showing. obviously a bug from coffee stain. i might want to skip lvl 1 as i did right now

[normal orbit]

#design-and-architecture message

[timber willow]

You can make nukes in the technical sense but you need nuclear unlocked in the milestones

[mental wraith]

I didn't rebuild production; I simply built a sorting center, and I'm starting to build clean railway tracks

[mental wraith]

I have absolutely no idea, sorry 😅

[mental wraith]

THE HELL

I need that rn

[fast finch]

i was telling u what was the problem. if u skip blueprint 1 and just get blueprint 2, the blueprint tab when u press Q will not show

[normal orbit]

its also very easy to just build a mk1 get the tab then dismantle it :p

[timber willow]

Well that the point I was making a massive base having to tear it down just to rebuild it so I can fit a few more things into it

[mental wraith]

I'm going to exterminate the spiders on this map

x500 nuclear bomb

[mental wraith]

Weird

[mental wraith]

Show

[hollow basalt]

Question, what makes me a FICSIT criminal?

[mental wraith]

Taking a 16-minute break instead of 15

[hollow basalt]

Wait we can take breaks?

[mental wraith]

You should avoid it; you'll be frowned upon by the FISCIT authorities.

[hollow basalt]

What about breaking the rules of idk what rules I broke but I broke some rules

one sec I'll get the receipts

[timber willow]

Sent you a few shots via dm

[mental wraith]

But fun fact: if you go to an electricity pole, open the interface, and click on it repeatedly, you'll receive a FISCIT warning

It's funny

[hollow basalt]

I have receipts

or the receipt

where should I put it?

Just realized a screenshots channel exists

[mystic crag]

Why the hell is my train taking the scenic route thats 5x longer than the shortest path there

[willow pond]

doggos have now given me 4 purples in a week

[bold heron]

did u ever found the jetpack hog ?

[tall lantern]

no

[next ivy]

invalid path probably

[next ivy]

early in my first game yea

[normal orbit]

cause either the shortest path is incomplete or its in the wrong direction

[mystic crag]

I found it, there was a hidden stacked rail blocking it

[normal orbit]

yup had that happen

[bold heron]

i hope the never patch the "bug" that the parachute is able to fall upwards on slopes

[leaden turret]

May 14th, 2024
Q&A: Was the ability to Parachute climb up cliffs a deliberate feature?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY38ztFj1t4

one of our producers have fought very strongly to ensure it stays in the game

[normal orbit]

lots of fun bugs have been coded in to be features of the game

like train running, hyper cannons and more

[leaden turret]

[in before people whine about hyper cannons]

[next ivy]

train running was considered a bug ?

did they want to have air resistance ?

[normal orbit]

it got fixed in 1.0 then put back in a patch later

tho

i dunno if the fix was a bug

you were unable to slide ontop of a movign train

[next ivy]

devs actively removing fun from the game

[normal orbit]

more like accidentally, then putting it back cuz its fun

[foggy mural]

is there a list out there of the alternative recipes you should absolutely avoid?

like i see some obvious ones but idk if they're good on the long run

[mystic crag]

Just get them all

[foggy mural]

thank you lmao

[real shale]

Man hypertube cannons are game breaking, they shouldn't be a thing, back in my day we walked

[coral marsh]

Ill always say biocoal isnt worth it as you cant fully automate it

[coral marsh]

Back in my day, we crawled

[real shale]

Hey, it's more diamonds

[coral marsh]

Theres much better ways to make diamonds

[real shale]

Yes but you could have even more diamonds

[foggy mural]

that one im avoiding yeah lmao

[coral marsh]

Yes but even oil based diamonds, is better, than biocoal diamonds

[real shale]

Yes, but, hear me out, it's even more diamonds

[coral marsh]

Diamonds dont even have a high sink value and they're only used to make time crystals, which have a significantly higher sink value

You dont need more diamonds and even if you did, there are still recipes that are better and more efficient than using biocoal

[real shale]

You always need more of everything

[coral marsh]

You can supply 2 particle accelerators and 2 converters from 1 pure coal node for 30 time crystals per minute without overclocking anything except the miner mk3

[real shale]

Also, time crystals aren't that high in sink value

[coral marsh]

Your right, they arent

All im saying is, dont bother using the biocoal alt to make diamonds. Theres nearly 50 thousand coal per minute on the entire map

You can sacrifice 1200 per minute to automate it properly

[real shale]

I will use it to make more diamonds, it is as the saying goes, diamonds are forever

[coral marsh]

You'll be wasting time and end up being very inefficient

[real shale]

Efficiency is subjective, am I being more efficient for using everything at my disposal or being more efficient for using my time else where

I gotta use all the copious amounts of biomass I gather from mass deforestation of the planet for something :P

[coral marsh]

You can only turn wood into coal using that biocoal alt

It is extremely, fucking, inefficient

[real shale]

I meant biomass as both leaves and wood

[real shale]

I don't know, when I feed my machines it ends up being 100% efficient

And besides, FICSIT does not waste, the wood and leaves must be used for something

[reef basin]

No, all are useful

Though you personally may not see a use for something and that's fine

[stark zinc]

My friend and I are trying to play Satisfactory, but I can't join his world. I noticed our versions are different even though we’re both on the 'latest' version. Mine is CL#433351 and his is CL#463028. Does anyone know how to sync our versions so we can play together?

[swift turret]

@rustic charm What are you asking?

[rustic charm]

its ok now, fixed

[tall lantern]

looks like yours is just out of date. Can see those numbers in #patch-notes , yours is from September, theirs is December (and neither are Experimental, which I did wonder)

[cunning glade]

I wish the grass fields had more water

I'm also almost thinking of training in water instead of dealing with it in pipes

[tall lantern]

obligatory "send the solids to the fluids"

[cunning glade]

No as a liquid still

But first floor is gonna be high up cuz it's gonna be all trains

[stark zinc]

do you know how to update my version. i tried verify intergrity but still same version

[tall lantern]

yes, as in move the other stuff, not the water

[tall lantern]

that'd depend on your platform/launcher, but not offhand in any case. tried googling?

[cunning glade]

I see wym but even still I'd have too pipe the water up and stuff and also that's part of the issue I think I wanna build my aluminum plant in the grassy fields but there's like no water there

[tall lantern]

there's also no bauxite

[cunning glade]

I'm thinking train station with it cuz then it's already on the same floor and no pumps or flow rate issues

[tall lantern]

why not build closer to where the actual resources are?

[cunning glade]

I already have the 12300 bauxite hooked up too trains same with quartz oil and the limestone I need

I just need a spot on the map with water preferably

Or I have too train it

So it's legit I just need too pick a spot where nothing else is

Which I can't decide on idk why

Hate being indecisive

[zenith pecan]

I'm glad I'm not the only one to move 12300 bauxite 😄

[tall lantern]

I'm glad I've never done that 😅

[zenith pecan]

I have to undo an idiot move shortly, I built my fused frames factory offset by 4 metres 🤦‍♂️

[hybrid nymph]

I am fixing my coal plant

then fixing aluminum

then fixing oil

it's going to be a long night

ugh

[cunning glade]

Well it's not quite 12300 yet

Cuz no stupid 1200 belts till fricking phase 5

Cuz stupid lame game

[tall lantern]

skill issue, you can always break things into smaller chunks

[sharp basin]

Completed PHASE 2

The SATISFACTION

[hybrid nymph]

so should I just overclock my coal gens and use less of them or use them at base clock and use more?

[sterile blade]

It's up to your preference. You know how many shards you have; my suggestion is to use them on whatever you find the most annoying to deal with/build

[reef basin]

do you want to save space at the cost of shards?

[hybrid nymph]

i have unlimited shards

[reef basin]

everything is unlimited

[sterile blade]

Then just always use them

[hybrid nymph]

I have a mod installed that allows me to craft power shards from supercomputers

[reef basin]

I mean they are craftable in vanilla 🤷

[hybrid nymph]

it's 6 supercomputers to 1 shard

is that balanced?

[reef basin]

not at all

[hybrid nymph]

why?

supercomputers are hard to get

[reef basin]

check how much it costs in the vanilla way

[hybrid nymph]

let me see the awesome sink point totals

oh it's actually very balanced

too balanced

[reef basin]

if you assume sink points as a way to balance things, which is kinda weird

[next ivy]

sloops are unlimited ?

[hybrid nymph]

Each supercomputer is worth 53,000 points, and the total sink points of the crafting ingredients is only about 37,000

and it takes 6 supercomputers

[hybrid nymph]

with mods, yes, without? nope

[zenith fractal]

in vanilla sloops are a limited resource

[reef basin]

it takes one item that you are making anyway, a few tiers earlier and no fluids involved

definitely op

[hybrid nymph]

meh, it's my game, i can do as I please

[reef basin]

for sure, that I'm not disputing. You just asked if it's balanced

[tall lantern]

indeed, but you asked if it was balanced, which it is not 😛

[hybrid nymph]

Why don't you think it's balanced? just curious?

[reef basin]

I just wrote it here

[tall lantern]

uranium's 35 sink points, 1500-odd of those per shard'd also be balanced if you went by sink points

[zenith fractal]

normally synthetic shards need quantum machines which are energy intensive and expensive along with the machine line

super computers are made at tier 4 and you already have plenty in production due to elevator

and other recipes

[hybrid nymph]

meh I guess

[tall lantern]

"supercomputers are hard to get" is relative, they're not that hard in the grand scheme of things

harder than iron plates, sure. harder than actual power shards, probably not

[hybrid nymph]

I'm just using my supercomputers for shards and awesome sink points right now

[zenith fractal]

I wish we could put shards back in cars

[tall lantern]

(also for reference there's over 5000 shards worth of slugs on the map, so plenty for most builds pre-T9)

[tall lantern]

lol overclock a factory cart

[zenith fractal]

but i never used shards too much. always more efficient to just make another machine

[reef basin]

efficiency doesn't change with that

[next ivy]

overclock drones 👍

[tall lantern]

which efficiency

[next ivy]

power usually

[zenith fractal]

don't shards need more energy than it takes normally if you make another machine?

[tall lantern]

space efficiency at the cost of energy efficiency, if OCing production buildings

production efficiency unchanged tho

[next ivy]

and upfront cost

but who doesnt have enough space and material

[tall lantern]

and this kids is why you always have to quantify what you're measuring

[hybrid nymph]

what about the vanilla upgrades mod?

[reef basin]

efficiency = % of time a machine runs

[zenith fractal]

yeh

[reef basin]

(as defined by the game)

[tall lantern]

presumably that's just a cheaper way of overclocking

[hybrid nymph]

it allows you to increase the base clock speed of machines by researching it in the MAM with shards and space elevator parts

[zenith fractal]

efficiency in a game like this is pretty broad now that i realise

[tall lantern]

sounds like I was right

[hybrid nymph]

you are yes

[tall lantern]

so, what about it?

[reef basin]

(hence why I'm so pissed at all those "100% efficient build" videos... they don't even mention what the efficiency is about)

[hybrid nymph]

You can increase the base clock speed of machiens up to 200%, but it also increases the energy cost exponentially

[next ivy]

well by your logic, machine usage efficiency

also, didnt someone say they dont watch yt

[hybrid nymph]

I made my water extractors each extract 600^3m of water but they cost 200MW of power for each

[reef basin]

that's one of the reasons why

[hybrid nymph]

so therefore not busted

[tall lantern]

youtube in general, or Satisfactory videos specifically? I don't watch other people playing, no

[tall lantern]

prooobably not busted, at least it sounds like there's an actual tradeoff (though whether it's actually balanced, who knows)

[hybrid nymph]

oh something random that doesn't matter, but I'm gay 🏳️‍🌈

[next ivy]

greeny mentioned not watching youtube, and or not recommending TO watch youtube

[tall lantern]

that I agree with, for a learner

[zenith fractal]

I like building tour videos. pretty nice seeing what other people cook up

[tall lantern]

using it for aesthetic inspiration makes sense yeah, it's more just that it can screw with learning to play the game

[hybrid nymph]

building videos are lame, I like to figure things out for myself

although it is always interesting to see what other people have done

[reef basin]

indeed, what's the problem?

[tall lantern]

assuming the video is even correct/accurate (which is a big if, and as a learner you likely don't have the knowledge to tell), you end up only learning one person's method, rather than trying things out yourself and understanding the tradeoffs

also you may not learn the underlying principle of a thing, apply it blindly, and wonder why it doesn't work in other cases

[zenith fractal]

i've never seen anyone build a steam punk kind of factory

[next ivy]

due to the lack of a brick texture

obviously

the only reason

[zenith fractal]

true

[scenic mirage]

do i go nitro rocket fuel path and save a lot of time building the factory at the expense of more sulfur and coal or default rocket fuel recipe and save a lot of coal and sulfur but have to build more

[ashen patio]

[hybrid nymph]

ahh it's beautiful

and almost done

the coal factory

going to be generating 4000MW of power

[zenith fractal]

really just depends how lazy you are right now

if you don't wanna spend too much time on power then sure nitro

but if you like making power plants then default

[next ivy]

can you add more custom swatches ?

[reef basin]

no

[next ivy]

wow

[reef basin]

wouldn't make much sense, it's a custom swatch, not a reusable one

you have the 20 presets if you want reusable color

[next ivy]

can you add more of those ?

[reef basin]

no, technical limitation

[next ivy]

do only the default swatches change color globally ?

[reef basin]

the 20 preset and the default ones, yeah

[scenic mirage]

🤷‍♂️ i just do a little bit each day

[next ivy]

so youre supposed to change the custom one to whatever you need oki

[reef basin]

the custom one is for one-time color painting of specific color that doesn't change globally
the 20 + basic ones are for repeated colors

[upbeat jacinth]

Setnidsfenctree

[hybrid nymph]

ugh now the pipes...

[upbeat jacinth]

Todays teaser prob gonna just be rain

[tall lantern]

just Mikael and Jason singing "singing in the rain"

[hybrid nymph]

it's finally done #screenshots message

[reef basin]

that clipping 🙈

[hybrid nymph]

meh it is what it is lol

now to fix oil!

then aluminum

riding the train over there of course, walking is for scrubs

[sharp basin]

I was waiting for jetpack SO MUCH and it sucks (doesn’t last long) but I’m pretty sure it’s because I’m using lame fuel (biofuel)?

[hybrid nymph]

nope liquid biofuel is the best fuel

it lasts the longest

gasoline is terrible

[sharp basin]

Sorry sorry

Wait

Lemme put the game in english

I meant solid biofuel

[simple pebble]

Solid biofuel sucks

Liquid biofuel good

[sharp basin]

Coal is worse or better than solid biofuel?

[hybrid nymph]

oh that, yes it does suck

[simple pebble]

Jetpacks can't use it

[hybrid nymph]

coal is not a option

[sharp basin]

Just unlocked phase 3 so I’m unlocking fuel RIGHT NOW

[hybrid nymph]

it only takes: solid biofuel, liquid biofuel, gasoline, turbofuel, and rocket fuel

rocket and turbofuel don't last long but they get serious height

[sharp basin]

I’ll be solid biofuel for quite a time then

[hybrid nymph]

if you are going for flight time, liquid biofuel is the best

you unlock liquid biofuel at tier 5

fluid packaging

[sharp basin]

Oh yes I’m at the HUB I can see that

But plastic first

So fuel plant first

[inner drum]

as a new player did anyone have the urge to maximise the production of all items? because as a new player right now i have this urge to make everything to the max limit of a mk6 conveyor belt (1200 items/min) which is stupid. howd you guys manage to not do that?

[sharp basin]

MK4 BELTS ❤️

TRUCKS ❤️

I’ll wait for 1.2 though

[tall lantern]

by just... not having that desire? 😅
it's a lotta work for not much (any) practical gain. Also not possible with the number of resources on the map

the process through the whole game is "make what you need", why change that right near the end

[dark trellis]

does overclocking coal nodes for extra power plants always pay off in power lost/gained ratio?

[inner drum]

wish it was that easy lol
yeah im looking at some of the tier 2/3 recipes like rotors or even smart plating seem impossible to get to 1200/min. but ideally id like to produce them in a ratio of need but thats hard to tell before getting there

oh im not near the end. im just looking ahead, im barely tier 2

[tall lantern]

in that case stick with making what you need for now. You can always build more later if needed (though a common recommendation is separate independent factories over trying to centralise things)

[inner drum]

maybe based on the tier they are unlocked idk, and just scale down from there by half every tier

[tall lantern]

trying to predict the future is notoriously hard

for some things you'd likely find 1200 is not enough, so even an amount like that isn't futureproof

[upbeat jacinth]

Challenge run in honor of naive future-proofers where you are limited to whatever throughput you built for an intermediate when you first unlock it

[spare prism]

Hi

[inner drum]

yh thats probably the best way tbh, ill just try that and see if my ocd or whatever it is doesnt get in the way lol

[hybrid nymph]

yes it does

[inner drum]

okay thats actually good to know

[spare prism]

What’s everyone up too

[inner drum]

when u say separate factories do you mean 1 factory to make rods then a completely separate one that makes screws as an example? or do u pipe iron ingots in from somewhere else and have a factory that makes all those basic iron products?

[tall lantern]

also worth noting that the game offers alternate recipes, so pre-building means you've locked in your choice of recipe even if newer ones become available later. Alts always have tradeoffs (though for some they're considered minimal), so some might give more output per input at the cost of power or just build complexity for example

[tall lantern]

the former, personally. In the early game they might be right next to each other, but they're still independent production lines, vs say siphoning iron rods from your rod production line to make reinforced plates

[next ivy]

im bricked up #design-and-architecture message

[inner drum]

thats true, i didnt consider the alt recipes. i guess winging it and adapting is the game. not spending hours future proofing something that cant really be future proofed

[tall lantern]

yup. You're of course free to try whatever method you like, maybe you can get it working well enough. Or you find it doesn't work, and you now have firsthand experience instead of relying on internet randoms 😛

in particular for a first play, just trying things out for yourself is a good experience

[inner drum]

yh ill experiment thanks

[hybrid nymph]

now to pipe everything together

the tedious part

this is going to probably take the next 30 minutes ugh

let the sphaghetti commense

[fossil oyster]

What's up fellow addicts

[hybrid nymph]

what up?

[ornate saffron]

Tired, I was up to late playing satisfactory. Im dragging my tired butt to work lol

[wintry carbon]

we all heard that story ...

[hybrid nymph]

luckilly all I got tomorrow is homework, so I'm good

will be going to bed after I finish the coal plant and fix oil, alimunim can wait till tomorrow

[ornate saffron]

At 11pm I was like time to save and sleep. Next thing I new it was 1230 😛

[fossil oyster]

Are you me?

[timber willow]

i know that feeling all to well

[hybrid nymph]

okay the pipes are halfway hooked up

4 more to go

[ornate saffron]

This was what I was doing last night. I needed a mew power facility.

[hybrid nymph]

I'm improving coal

with compacted coal

and I just setup the maximum amount of compacted coal that the belts can handle

I need 780 compacted coal

per minute

now I just need to do a little math and figure out how long it takes to produce the coal

each water extractor uses 168MW

I will be making 8000MW from my coal plant

[fossil oyster]

That's cute

[tall lantern]

it's rare to see someone actively use compacted coal

[ornate saffron]

For coal generators anyways

[hybrid nymph]

well I like compacted coal, so there

[fossil oyster]

I've used it once or twice in an earlier playthrough for power generaiton

Just for fun

[hybrid nymph]

I had a bunch of extra sulfur, so I figured whynot?

[reef basin]

it's not bad tbh

[hybrid nymph]

Especially with each coal gen making 125 MW

[ornate saffron]

No better reason

[hybrid nymph]

from the vanilla upgrades mod

I'm mining like 1500 sulfur/min and I am trying to do something with it

[ornate saffron]

I am almost done 600oil to HOR to PDF for power

20 generators left to hook up and decorating

[fossil oyster]

I barely have resources in my world left to build with :(

[ornate saffron]

😄

Im a chronic restarter

[hybrid nymph]

I wonder if someone ahs ever overloaded this game so much that it started to artifact?

[fossil oyster]

I have

I recently saw 32 uranium fuel rods floating in the air

[hybrid nymph]

really? No wat?!

[ornate saffron]

I had to raise my object limit

[fossil oyster]

Yeah I've raised my object limit as well haha

[fossil oyster]

Ah nice, yeah I restarted a while ago but I just cba to set up a train network again

So I continued the save again

[ornate saffron]

I clear the game first most the time though. I dont just go lets restart lol

[fossil oyster]

Yeah I saved the day in 0.8 and then again in 1.0. And then I just made my own goals

Hoping 1.2 brings some post-game stuff

[ornate saffron]

10 worlds 7 clears.

Im actively trying to go slow this time.

[fossil oyster]

Haha

[ornate saffron]

140 hours still in phase 3. So im succeeding

[fossil oyster]

Yeah I instantly rush for the jetpack most times

[hybrid nymph]

this is my 5th playthrouhg, never got past tier 8 before

[fossil oyster]

Why did you stop your tier 8 playthrough

[hybrid nymph]

because 2 of them were in early access

and the other 2 I just felt like stopping

this one I intend to finish the game

ugh the pipes are done, now just need to conenct the belts

[ornate saffron]

Your time allotment for a project is more accurate then mine.

Im like imma just make a quick power plant 3 hours later im not done

[fossil oyster]

Yeah....Recently though let's just re-factor this power plant real quick

Suddenly two weeks later I'm still working on it

[tall lantern]

another pioneer bitten by the "don't rebuild a working setup" idea

[hybrid nymph]

exactly!

[fossil oyster]

Well, sometimes you're just bored of a specific design

[hybrid nymph]

now just need to wait for all fo the remaing coal to burn out, then I can refuel them with compacted coal

[fossil oyster]

Does anyone know what's the most computationally expensive things in this game are?

[hybrid nymph]

ballistic warp drives

they also happen to be the best thing to awesome sink, worth 2.7 million points

[fossil oyster]

I know that, I'm sinking 60/min of them

But I mean, what contributes to poor in-game performance the most?

[hybrid nymph]

woah that's impressive

oh that

[fossil oyster]

Like I have a super big factory of course, I'm trying to improve FPS

[hybrid nymph]

lots of nuclear reactors

they use a lot of computing power

[tall lantern]

lol

[fossil oyster]

I know that, I have 224 of them

: - D

[hybrid nymph]

I palced down a bunch of them and my fps dropped from 120 to like 50

this was after about 50 of them

[tall lantern]

that's not normal, but also, FPS is more likely to be a graphical thing than computation

[fossil oyster]

My gut feeling is amount of belts and items on belts contributes to low FPS

But it's hard to actually test it

[tall lantern]

I recall a video yonks ago showing how items on belts aren't actually physical items but just a rendering trick

[fluid sapphire]

if you have a bunch of stuff all close together, its probably not any one thing, but all of it combined

[hybrid nymph]

just waiting for my refineries to make more fuel, then I'm going to turb the oil plant back on

[fossil oyster]

Yeah, possibly

I'm just trying to optimize my FPS, I'm hitting in-game limits because factory big

[fluid sapphire]

but i can say for my own experience having belts with thousands of items on them is a huge fps drop for me

[fossil oyster]

I'm also heavily relying on frame generation and it's kinda bad sometimes

[fluid sapphire]

if you keep building bigger and bigger there really isnt much you can do

other than, well, not doing that

[frail sleet]

rendering stuff on belts does wreck cpu performance

there is a specific setting which does nothing other than reduce the maximum distance that items will be rendered on belts, and if you're around a lot of belts it can 4x your cpu fps and make it much more stable 😄

[fossil oyster]

Yeah belt render distance

I had to turn it from ultra, to far and now playing on Medium

Kind of a shame

[frail sleet]

There's a spot in my factory where 100-200km of belt is in range of ultra at the same time, and it goes to like 30fps with awful traversal stutter when the belts are full and moving. With med, always triple digits

[fossil oyster]

Yeah my nuclear facility is like that. I turn ultra belts on, suddenly sub 30 FPS. I turn it to medium and I'm back to like 90

[frail sleet]

I would like to be able to crank LOD even more though for screenshots and stuff, even if it went to 1fps. It's kind of a shame when most of your factory is using minimum LOD models or straight up disappearing and just missing from pictures to show it off.

[fossil oyster]

Yeah

Frame generation makes a lot of things fuzzy

[hybrid nymph]

ugh been playing for 8 hours and felt like I got nothing done

well I fixed both coal plants, and fixed oil

and updated my factories

[frail sleet]

Just depends on base framerate, if that 90 is before FG then it's maybe okay. If it's after, no.

[fossil oyster]

Oh it's definitely after :(

[hybrid nymph]

I'm still at 90FPS right now, at 1440p and max settings

[frail sleet]

when i was saying 30fps and over 100fps, that was base framerate before 4x FG (so actually 120-400+ fps reported)

[spare prism]

What GPU?

[viscid rapids]

I think most people miss the reason why the game is still in beta, that's why, ultimately it comes down to optimization and over the years people have been building larger and larger and the devs probably realized early on that was going to be their focus outside of content

[proven snow]

If a game goes below 30 fps it becomes a bit rough to play for me

[hybrid nymph]

RTX 2070 Super overclocked to 2070 MHz

[spare prism]

lol

[proven snow]

beta?

[hybrid nymph]

what's so funny?

[spare prism]

Bruh 2070 on 2070

[hybrid nymph]

both of us have 2070's?

once I get some more money I'm upgrading to a 5070 TI

[spare prism]

Nice

[fossil oyster]

Well I'm struggling on a 4090. But I'm impressed that the game is able to handle large factories

[viscid rapids]

I meant still in development sorry. Since it's most recent update to 1.1 implied multiple new revisions of the game to come, past release

[spare prism]

Are you sure it’s not CPU struggling lol

[fossil oyster]

5800X3D

[fluid sapphire]

thats kind of the expectation for modern development, continued support?

[fossil oyster]

I refuse to upgrade when RAM prices are this insane

[spare prism]

That should be fine but I heard large factory’s are taxing

[hybrid nymph]

I'm currently running a Ryzen 7 5800X OC to 4.8GHz RTX 2070 Super OC to 2070MHz, and 32 GB of RAM

[fluid sapphire]

thats nothing out of the ordinary for games, or software in general

anything worth using is always in development

[spare prism]

I’m getting 45-50fps in game

[autumn path]

yea ram should be fine by end of 2026 hopefully, china companies are already selling dual 16gb sticks for like 150 USD, but they aren't allowed to ship outside the country

[fluid sapphire]

lets set a reminder for that because i seriously doubt that

[autumn path]

sucks cause i want to build the GF a PC, she is getting my old one with a 1080 lol

[spare prism]

I mean you can build you’ll just have to spend more

[autumn path]

companies will be making them by then, takes awhile to start a company and build a factory

I could but building her a cheap pc for 1200 when 600 is the ram is insane

[spare prism]

But microcenter has nice bundles

[autumn path]

yea prebuild seems to be the way right now lol

[spare prism]

They have parts you can buy

[autumn path]

unless you mean the cpu and ram bundles

[spare prism]

$32GB kit for $200

[autumn path]

thats not bad

[fluid sapphire]

used kits of decent ddr5 2x16gb go for around 300 eur around here

i just sold my old kit for 290

i replaced it last year with a slightly better one for 65eur, its bonkers what has happened in less than a year

that was april or may i believe

[spare canopy]

imagine if hard drive rescans ate another 10 minutes 💀

[fluid sapphire]

considering how easy it is to keep busy i dont think that would affect me at all

[reef basin]

it would be pretty good

[spare prism]

bruh how do you use SCIM website, its giving me mk3 miner as default in the planner

[normal orbit]

most use it for the map and editability of the save

[fossil oyster]

I just use it for the map, yeah

[river marsh]

when can i start completely relying on dimensional depot? like which upgrade level in research tree

[ivory zinc]

What phase you in

[river marsh]

the one where u unlock trains

[spare canopy]

getting mercer spheres ragebaits me so hard

[spare canopy]

No 😭

[river marsh]

i was thinking of grinding out mercer spheres to the point where i can completely rely on dimensional depot

[ornate saffron]

Whenever you find enough Mercer sphere to be comfortable

[river marsh]

thats not helping 😭

i need an estimate

[wise stratus]

isn't it the old school rescan ? Bad choice > load save, scan again

[reef basin]

yes, would be more balanced and make more sense

[hybrid nymph]

ugh oil is fixed

[supple canopy]

even when you finish the whole tree you'll sometimes need to have several dimensional for a same resource to catch up with your building

[hybrid nymph]

now just need to go back to main abse and I can save and get off

[river marsh]

damnn 😭 inventory management is a pain in the as

[elfin smelt]

I wish MAM trees kept the amount scrolled between sessionss

[normal orbit]

depends what you're comfortable with. you can kinda start using em with 10 or so, but you might end up waiting for uploads

[elfin smelt]

so tired of having to scroll down every time I change a tree

[ornate saffron]

I use them the second I unlock them. I dont really know what to say. Its a sandbox game. A lot is personal choice

[river marsh]

alright rn i have 30/m upload speed with 2 stacks max

ill try to get to 60 upload speed

and get 10 dimensional depots

[hybrid nymph]

I am now generating 14,600MW from coal alone

[supple canopy]

it's not too bad honestly. We used to haul whole ass trains filled with concrete iron plates and the likes to a new factory location

[spare canopy]

does it not.... save?? what? i can do that?

i want turbofuel and automated miners Real bad and i'm honestly getting a little desperate after 10 hard drives

[real shale]

uh

[echo cedar]

hi everyone

[normal orbit]

you can savescum harddrives yes. but theres also enough harddrives to learn every recipe

[fossil oyster]

These fucking drones man. Have any of you ever built so many that they start bugging out mid-air?

[real shale]

you know you unlock turbofuel via MAM right?

[elfin smelt]

what

[hybrid nymph]

you can save scum the drives by saving the game before looking at the result

[spare canopy]

you're... Kidding

[elfin smelt]

turbo fuel doesn't require alts

[hybrid nymph]

yeah, you unlock it in sulfur research

[real shale]

i am not

[supple canopy]

bro's living in 2021

[spare canopy]

i only saw alternative recipes for turbofuel on the wiki:...

[elfin smelt]

neither automated miners

[echo cedar]

is this game got a lot of updates? i played it 2 years ago?

[supple canopy]

go to wiki.gg, not the fandom, it's far obsolete

[ornate saffron]

Yes

[spare canopy]

yes i'm only playing the game with a calculator in hand and do not read wikis or any effective ways to play

[real shale]

the base turbo fuel is acquired via MAM, the alt recipes are dropped into the harddrive pool after you research it

[spare canopy]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Turbofuel
^^ the page i was reading

[echo cedar]

but i see the version still 1.x

[elfin smelt]

we're getting a big update later this year

[ornate saffron]

The quick search bar "n" is also a calculator

[elfin smelt]

version numbering systems are completely arbitrary choices

[spare canopy]

i mean "calculator in hand" very loosely, i use the ingame calc and satisfactory tools
but that took me forever to learn

[normal orbit]

"The default Turbofuel recipe is unlocked in MAM Sulfur Research." right on that page

[real shale]

USBeefalo is also a calculator, Beefalo what is 2+2

[supple canopy]

there are two alt recipes for turbo fuel but you unlock it in the MAM

[elfin smelt]

they chould call ir version 1, next version 23, next version 69

[supple canopy]

you used to unlock it through hard drives

[ornate saffron]

I understand completely. Just making sure you are aware of that option.

[echo cedar]

so is there alien invasion update? where alien attacks our base?

[spare canopy]

fmcc. 💀

[elfin smelt]

thats not the game they want to make

they did a video about that

[spare canopy]

this is Not Rust!

[echo cedar]

so whats after launching the space shuttle?

[normal orbit]

the amount of people i've run into who watched that video and completely missed what its about is a lot

[spare canopy]

i turned off mobs because i'm so sick of being attacked by them

[wise stratus]

Yes but not really useful. To maximize your chances I'd say keep the recipes you don't want in the library and keep hunting and scanning, good luck ! :)

[elfin smelt]

we are getting golf fr fr this time /s

[spare canopy]

i just want my automated miners 😔

[echo cedar]

is there any way we can go to other planets or invade other player planet?

[spare canopy]

and wanna figure out how to maximize my fuel output from oil, i already got heavy oil residue as a direct recipe or whatever

[ornate saffron]

Its like Minecraft. After you do all the content its up to you to make your own goals

[ornate saffron]

HOR then either packaged diluted fuel or diluted fuel if you have blenders

[spare canopy]

i'm on tier 8 doing everything in my power to avoid doing the phase 4 parts 😭

i'm on a save where i'm forcing myself to build a brand new factory for every single part i want

i also haven't built a single train yet because i don't understand how to measure their throughput

[next ivy]

by counting

[ornate saffron]

Then if you have well pressurizing you can go nitro rocket fuel to really max out your fuel

[next ivy]

is the easy way

[spare canopy]

see i suck at that, famously. ask all of my friends.

[next ivy]

get a clock to count for you then

[spare canopy]

have anything ELI5 for it?

now you've got me interested

[white dawn]

There's a wiki article about that, but my own method is to Not. I just make sure that the train is emptying out the station reliably. If not, then I add another freight car

[ornate saffron]

I made i guide i can dm you it if you wish

[next ivy]

generally, if your loading buffer does not fill up, the trains roundtrip is fast enough

[spare canopy]

yes please 🥺

[spare canopy]

yeah i've just... not either so far, and build very, very long distance conveyors

[white dawn]

To actually compute the max throughput, one of the numbers you need to know is the round trip time, which means you sort of need to have it set up first anyway, and running, so it generally doesn't feel worth it to me to calculate. :)

[ornate saffron]

Sent

[unkempt blade]

Yeah unless it's a really long route trains can handle quite a bit of stuff. Unless you're trying to shove like full nodes of ore or something like that through there where both the item quantity is very large and the stack size is very small I wouldn't worry too much about exactly mathing it out

[spare canopy]

i don't wanna have to worry about train throughput so that's why i just drag conveyors and make sure the output at location A works

[sharp basin]

Just unlocked the packager, what’s its use? And I can’t make turbofuel before Phase 4 right?

[next ivy]

if you ever notice a train being to slow, just add a second one

[tall lantern]

you can make it in phase 3 just fine

[ornate saffron]

You can. Learn it in the mam

[tall lantern]

the packager's main use is in its name... it packages (and unpackaged) fluids

[sharp basin]

Don’t you need a machine you need in tier 7?

[tall lantern]

whether for transport or for specific recipes

[supple canopy]

or split things into more freight cars. The more trains on the same stations, the less max throughput you get because of animation time

[ornate saffron]

No the simple version uses a refinery

[spare canopy]

i'm on the top right corner of the map rn so i may end up doing a train to take sulfur & coal to where the oil is

[real shale]

you need the blender for the alt recipe but its basic recipe uses refineries

[elfin smelt]

you really should not have to worry about train throughput

[next ivy]

how close are your train stations that animation time outweighs roundtrip time, you have other problems at that point

[spare canopy]

ok but you see the problem is i'm god awful at math

[sharp basin]

So should I skip fuel and go directly into turbofuel (just reached Phase 3)?

[fossil oyster]

Fuel is simple

[spare canopy]

i'm done with tier 8 rn and those project parts in the top right are staring me down and scaring me

[elfin smelt]

thats just an excuse to use them

[fossil oyster]

Just smash a few fuel generators to keep ya going

[spare canopy]

i don't wanna build them

[elfin smelt]

I just assume they are unlimited

[ornate saffron]

I usually skip turbo and wait for nitro rocket fuel.

Package diluted fuel is really strong

[supple canopy]

well until it becomes a problem lol

[elfin smelt]

if theres a bottleneck, I'll add another car, done

[reef basin]

you should do fuel, skip turbofuel and rocket fuel, and then go nuclear

[spare canopy]

i wish trains had liquid cars 😭 i don't wanna do allat with packaging them

[elfin smelt]

they do

[reef basin]

they do

[real shale]

they do

[ornate saffron]

They do

[fossil oyster]

This only works until you run into train track throughput issues

[real shale]

OH YEAHHH

[spare canopy]

HOW out of the loop am i ???

[supple canopy]

you're not gonna believe this

[reef basin]

it's the same car, just different platform

[spare canopy]

FMCL.

[hybrid nymph]

oh wow didn't knwo you can disassemble crashed drop pods huh

[spare canopy]

no i did not

until i accidentally discovered it

[sharp basin]

So fuel (and liquid fuel because apparently it’s the best for the jetpack), then rocket fuel / nuclear? (skip turbo fuel whatever)

[spare canopy]

with all due respect i have <500 hours on satisfactory 😭 i know nothing

[ornate saffron]

The plumbing guide pinned in #math-and-meta (from what I can tell) a good buffer system for fluid cars

[spare canopy]

the only kinda inside thing i know is fluid towers... 😭

to address headlift

[reef basin]

fuel -> nuclear
imo TF and RF are only for people that don't do nuclear

[ornate saffron]

Im 1000 hours amd still learning. If I wasn't i wouldnt play lol

[reef basin]

(but you can do whatever you want obviously)

[spare canopy]

nuclear power scares me i did it on my last save and i got such poor returns for the amount of effort and resources i invested

[real shale]

is there like a really weird angle or something that causes nudging to both nudge in both x and z axis at the same time each nudge?

[fossil oyster]

Just do whatever man. Fuel is fine, to get your fuel generator feet wet. Build a few plants, why not, it's super simple. Turbofuel is not very good (except for late late game and depending onn large builds).
Rocket fuel is SUPER OP, like it's kind of broken how good it is.
Nuclear is SUPER FUN, if you like a challenge.

[spare canopy]

vertical diagonal nudge??

[reef basin]

it gives much more power than fuel

[spare canopy]

not in my experience 😭

[real shale]

i nudge sometimes and it goes on to the left and also up at the same time for example, feels like theres a really weird angle

[sharp basin]

And how do you process fuel into liquid fuel for the jetpack?

[spare canopy]

i managed to power 3 nuclear power plants with a massive setup

[reef basin]

even without alts it gives tons of power

[elfin smelt]

my advice is to just try them, trains are awesome, you are very unlikelly to run into throughput issues when get started using them, you don't have to do any math, just transport the resource to another location

[fossil oyster]

Canisters

[sullen oriole]

hello!

[supple canopy]

no it happens to me too, I never really tried to find the cause but it seems to depend what you snap the thing to before nudging

[ornate saffron]

Sometimes it nudges in relation to a object rather then the pioneers pov this often happens when you hold during snapping

[spare canopy]

i really wish tools and equipment would use the depot

it would be nice to autoproduce fuel for example and have an infinite jetpack

[ornate saffron]

It can

[spare canopy]

not when building

i mean like, gas mask, jetpack, rebar guns, etc.

[next ivy]

oh yea tools automatically using depot resources would be great QoL

[sullen oriole]

I'm fairly new to satisfactory and looking for people to play it with, hmu

[ornate saffron]

You have to manually add it to your inventory from the cloud but you can automate the upload

[spare canopy]

yeah see i don't wanna have to worry about allat

[ornate saffron]

#1201555265942724758

[elfin smelt]

yeah for some only maunal crafting and build gun take from the depot

[tall lantern]

#1201555265942724758 if you insist, but it's generally recommended to learn by youself first time round

[spare canopy]

y'all should see my first world it's awful 😩

[sullen oriole]

gotcha, thanks yall

[tall lantern]

that's just standard fare

in my first world I apparently didn't believe in foundations for most of it...

[spare canopy]

it took till my third world to learn about the world grid

[tall lantern]

and piped oil from blue crater to grassy fields 🤣

[spare canopy]

well, fused quickwire or fertile uranium or rescan 💀

i'm up scanning my drives rn

just scanning my stuff fr

[reef basin]

pick one that you want/need, not one that random person tells you to pick

[reef basin]

(and then you learn it's a trap 😛 )

[spare canopy]

you see the problem is that i know you guys know a lot more than me

[fossil oyster]

Yeah except in this case pick Fused Quickwire, lol.

Fertile uranium is bad.

[reef basin]

the problem is that alt recipes are subjective, there's no "better" or "worse" recipe. Different recipes are for different situations

[reef basin]

absolutely not

[fossil oyster]

No that's wrong.

[spare canopy]

yeah but some recipes just suck outright and some do not

[reef basin]

no, not really

[fossil oyster]

Like, Heavy Encased Frame is absolutely, objectively, much better than the default recipe

[reef basin]

people often confuse "I like X more" with "X is better"

[next ivy]

better for what

[reef basin]

not to mention you can't really compare two recipes together, as you need to compare the whole chain

[real shale]

heavy flexible frame my beloved

[tall lantern]

that's the other thing people often confuse
"X is better" vs "X is better for this particular use case IMO"

[fossil oyster]

This is the real question. There's several criteria. Complexicity/resource optimization/power optimization/etc.

[spare canopy]

you really mean to tell me there is no recipe that just sucks? i avoid screws religiously

for example

[tall lantern]

screws are easy if you learn what they try to teach

[elfin smelt]

there are some great screws alts

[fossil oyster]

He is wrong. There's definitely recipes that are awful

[next ivy]

cast screws is one of my favourites...

[spare canopy]

i get every recipe that avoids the nightmarish screws

[tall lantern]

which is "there are other ways to move resources than jamming them all onto one belt"

[reef basin]

yes, there's no recipe that's "bad"

[spare canopy]

cause there's just.... so much throughput with screws

[reef basin]

there's just recipes that aren't designed to do what you want

[spare canopy]

my biggest struggle in my first proper world was screws, always

[fossil oyster]

Dark Ion Fuel is bad.

[reef basin]

(which makes them bad for that specific case, but not generally bad)

[reef basin]

again, no

[spare canopy]

you see my problem is i use exactly one belt for point A to point B

i then manifold

[elfin smelt]

if you have issues with screws, the issues are not the screws, it's your setup

[spare canopy]

i always manifold

[reef basin]

yeah screws don't like that

(neither do wire or quickwire)

[spare canopy]

too bad for them 🙄

suck it up butterscrew

[fossil oyster]

Place screw/wire/quickwire machines right infront of the machine that are going to consume them

Instead of manifolding or load balancing or whatever. Problem solved.

[elfin smelt]

logistic challenges are the name of the game, screws provide another one

[reef basin]

sure, but don't blame screws when you're the one who decided to build in a weird way 🤷

[spare canopy]

manifolds are based

[ornate saffron]

Use smaller manifolds. Make the screws belt them directly to the machines. You dont need to max out every belt. And any overflow can be pushed to the next machine using smart splitters and mergers

[real shale]

you had a perfect opportunity for a "Screw you" joke

[spare canopy]

give me one good reason why load balancing is sane

[elfin smelt]

they teach you how to deal with high volume of throughput, if you refuse to try to learn the solutions for that than its your loss

[reef basin]

load balancing is not the only alternative to manifolds

[fossil oyster]

Nuclear.

[elfin smelt]

solving these issues is part of the fun

[real shale]

nuclear

[elfin smelt]

nuclear, early game biomass

[spare canopy]

nuclear sucked for how much effort i put in

[fossil oyster]

Nuclear rocks.

[spare canopy]

i get coal + hog protein biomass quick enough to where this isn't a problem

[fossil oyster]

1225 GW nuclear enjoyer here

[spare canopy]

remember i'm John Handcraft if i need to be

[elfin smelt]

also, just as we were talking about, high volume throughput

[elfin smelt]

ah yes, since when you start your game with coal already unlocked?

[real shale]

wait, so you did nuclear but didnt know about turbofuel?

[spare canopy]

correct

[ornate saffron]

Nuclear is more space efficient and does grant great gains for resources used.

That being said most people can beat the game with just regular fuel.

Choose the option you like and that meets your power needs

[spare canopy]

i start my game and unlock hog protein biomass fast enough

[hybrid nymph]

okay going to bed

[ornate saffron]

Nini

[elfin smelt]

this still don't solve the issue of manifolds being inadequate for biomass setups

[spare canopy]

my early game setups are cheap enough on power to where i can do it by hand in time and get a small coal setup going around 600mw

[solid otter]

Hallooo

[spare canopy]

which then powers up my 2400mw coal power factory

[elfin smelt]

yeah but, time is relative

[ornate saffron]

I load balance my biomass. That being said manifolds can work you just need to really over flood the system so all machines but the last is full amd keep up on your biomass input

[elfin smelt]

I spent hours pre-coal

and my fuses blew many times before I converted my biomass setup to a load balancers

not everyone wants to rush the game

[spare canopy]

yeah see i don't be doing allat

i just put it in by hand

[elfin smelt]

that's great, everyone is entitled to their own opnions, but you asked for reasons to used load balances and we gave it

[reef basin]

why are load balancers even being questioned?

[spare canopy]

annoying to figure out

[ornate saffron]

For sure. Thats why its up to each person to make there decisions we can only give opinions and options here

[spare canopy]

manifolding takes 0 effort

load balancing takes effort

so you see, i don't like thinking

[elfin smelt]

playing the game takes effort then

[reef basin]

there's more options than just those two

[elfin smelt]

we got to like, think, I would reather sleep instead

[spare canopy]

all of my thinking goes to deep reinforcement learning and satisfactory is simply my "finish off the last of my sanity" game

i was building an ai limiter factory and just weaved quickwire back and forth across like 5 foundations because i was bored and losing my mind 💀

with conveyors per se

[steady dome]

can I recommend a break from the game?

[elfin smelt]

yeah

[spare canopy]

i only have 40 hours past 2

if you wanna show me a game i need a real break from then look at my steam and tell me it's Rocket League 💀

3000 hours

[ornate saffron]

I think i have 4k hours in ffxiv

[elfin smelt]

I just want to convey that, what you found boring, others find fun, you don't like to think and solve logistic challenges, them fine, play how you want, just know that's a subjective opnion yours

[next ivy]

for both of those, genuinely how

there cant be that much content

rocketleague i guess has a fairly high skill ceiling, being competitive and all, but overall its not much content

[spare canopy]

yes everything is subjective

we agree on this already it seems like

i am not actively dismissing your input (or not trying to, i'm very, very sorry if i am)

[elfin smelt]

you're good

[spare canopy]

i'm just generally bad at problem solving 😭 and therefore will take the simplest path out of a problem

[reef basin]

not all the paths you took are the simplest tho

[spare canopy]

sorry i lowkey be like a neural net

[elfin smelt]

problem solving is a skill like any other

[spare canopy]

i will take the local minimum solution

not the global minimum

the first solution i find and can optimize is the one i will optimize until i can't anymore and then i get stuck in the loss valley

[normal orbit]

problem solving is a skill, but its a learnable skill and you can apply the same principle across just about everything. Like what should it be doing, what is it doing instead. What could be a causation of the undesired outcome.

[elfin smelt]

you might be less apt in it compared to others, but be assured you can always develop it

not saying you have to btw

[spare canopy]

problem: i'm addicted
subproblem: i like developing custom (offline) deep reinforcement learning bots for it
sub-subproblem: i like the mechanical complexity of the game which i am nowhere near mastering, even if i'm in the top 0.5% as it stands.

[spare canopy]

i would really, really like to

[elfin smelt]

just saying it's not impossible

[spare canopy]

so my future isn't road to minimum wage

☠️

[ornate saffron]

Need to decorate refineries so I dont hate looking at them. Anythoughts. Im okay with clipping foundations through them to dramatically change there appearance

[elfin smelt]

I like to think that the first step to learning of practicing anything is finding a way you can have fun while at it

[fossil oyster]

How do people make refineries even look good lol

[elfin smelt]

every way to have fun is is diffenrt for everyone, so you just gotta find yours

[ornate saffron]

I taught my niece to find the surface area of a circle by min maxing pizza

[elfin smelt]

thats nice

[ornate saffron]

Pizza is good motivation

[next ivy]

i had to calculate my allowance with %

[elfin smelt]

I love them maths

[mellow pewter]

Quick question. When making a manifold that has one machine underclocked to make sure it doesn't use all the resources, which one was best to be underclocked? The first or the last?

[ornate saffron]

It doesnt matter. Which ever you do be consistent so you can easily trouble shoot

[normal orbit]

Makes no diffrence

[mellow pewter]

Alright, thanks.

[real shale]

man concrete looks so beautiful

[mortal ginkgo]

no u ❤️

concrete made of IMPURE limestone nodes is indeed special ❤️

[real shale]

i will bomb your entire red forest into nothing

[mortal ginkgo]

Nuuuuuuuuu 😭 Things escalated too quickly!

[ornate saffron]

You are the kind of person I would take to my favorite restaurant

#off-topic-media message

[real shale]

listen, concrete gives a very utilitarian look to my factories, which is what im going for

[topaz shale]

I think by limiting myself to keeping my builds within a 12x12 area, it might actually make things interesting in the long run and it could lead to some very interesting build designs. Always wanted to make a proper factory city.

[next ivy]

oh god

the cityblocks have escaped containment

NOW THEY CAN GO VERTICAL

[topaz shale]

I have built vertically before but I think by limiting how much space I'm allowed to use, it might make things interesting and thus, not have me keep not finishing this game lol

[next ivy]

oh god he plays py

[weak bloom]

is there a way to snap a water extractor to a foundation in the water, or do I just have to freehand the first one and then snap the rest to it?

[real shale]

you can use a junction

and snap it to the junction

[topaz shale]

Be very afraid of what lengths I go for efficiency

[next ivy]

oh god he tries to be efficient in py

[feral jay]

Just bought the golden nut \o/

[ornate saffron]

At what point does your time used destroy the efficiency

[fluid sapphire]

why spend 1 hour doing something manually when you can spend 10 hours to automate it

[ornate saffron]

For sure, but the same logic goes for destroying your starter factory to make it more efficient. You could just leave it and build another and have more parts

Efficiency is subjective.

[feral jay]

True, and my subjective opinion is the only one that matters

[weak bloom]

me at work writing scripts to do mundane tasks that would otherwise have taken 5 minutes

[empty spoke]

guys is mk6 hard to reach after i just hit mk5? thinking of hand crafting it so i can start the factories with the proper mk6 belts directly without having it to upscale

[ornate saffron]

I do a lot of decorating my factories and even placed a hard rule on myself to make sure everything is decorated before moving phases.

Decorating is against efficiency. But I enjoy it

[feral jay]

I almost never decorate

[ornate saffron]

Mk6 is t9

[feral jay]

This save, I have a single decorated train station, everything else is a concrete box

[normal orbit]

9

[ornate saffron]

Also resource heavy

[empty spoke]

u sure? cant find it in t8

[ornate saffron]

T9

[empty spoke]

yea

[feral jay]

Nah once you've automated trigons and time crystals you basically never run out of mats for mk6 belts

[empty spoke]

okay so il just have to go with mk5 for now

[normal orbit]

also you can't handcraft all parts for t6 belts

[feral jay]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=3qp2Eu3hRN87RZmYwim7 that's more than I've ever needed for mk6 belts, and I make it with otherwise wasted petcoke

[empty spoke]

whatever il just start the megafactory before mk6

is it just me or is the hoverpack only intented to be used during building, but for general movement the jetpack is better?

[feral jay]

Nope, that's the design intention

[empty spoke]

okay so i basically carry both around with me all the time

[feral jay]

yeah

You can shove them in the DD if you need the extra inventory space though

[fluid sapphire]

its not like they take a lot of space at that point

unless you\re a lunatic who doesnt use dimensional depot at all

[normal orbit]

you can put the jetpack and hoverpack on the action bar and easily swap between em

[jaunty bone]

Which channel would I ask for help in?

[fluid sapphire]

#1038092680493801533

[glacial drum]

TIL

[jagged nymph]

i never knew that

[empty spoke]

how?

[jagged nymph]

i just never tried to put them in the action bar

[empty spoke]

huh how yall do that

my action bar dissapears as soon as i open my inv

[jagged nymph]

wdym

[empty spoke]

is the action bar the hotbar?

[jagged nymph]

like the hand slots

the hotbar is used to assign different building to for quick access

and you can assign blueprints to the hotbar too

[empty spoke]

correct, and where do u want me to put the jetpack in? the hand slot?

[jagged nymph]

i assume so

[empty spoke]

doesnt work

it only lets u place it on the back

[jagged nymph]

was mr. person lying?

whoever saud that?

[empty spoke]

prolly old patch?

or he actually meant the hotbar

[coral marsh]

So what's yall upto, im currently very sick and insanely sore oh and I cant sleep.

[empty spoke]

its weekend only good vibes allowed

stop being sick

[coral marsh]

I can work with that.

[coral marsh]

🤣 sure lemme just, turns into wolverine

Anyway, ive almost got nuclear up and running

[empty spoke]

im having headaches with when to start with my megafactory

[coral marsh]

What tier are you in rn

[real shale]

Maybe that's why you are sick

[empty spoke]

t8

[real shale]

Radiation sickness

[coral marsh]

Aluminium production, start with building aluminium

[empty spoke]

finished

[coral marsh]

Never had it, nah I got a bug from my mother and sister

[empty spoke]

its about mk6 belts

i dislike the idea of upgrading every mk5 belt on the map once i hit mk6

[coral marsh]

Nuclear, uranium, build en mass

[coral marsh]

You dont have to outside of production necessities and visuals

[empty spoke]

especially with the idea of not using any trains so pulling every node with belts across the whole map

[coral marsh]

Can still use drones

[empty spoke]

no clue how trains and drones work in the matter of efficiency, i just know that somebody told me to not use any trains when planning to build a megafactory

i assume cuz transporting ores aint rly efficient

[coral marsh]

Yee ive heard that too

Best to build mega on location

[ornate saffron]

depends. If you are making ingots of copper and iron from the ore the ore is more dense

[coral marsh]

The train the final resource out

[empty spoke]

but on the other side im thinking, that all u have to do is just place more trains?

[ornate saffron]

generally i build where the resources are

[empty spoke]

well cant apply that for all the ore since alot of it will have to be raw for specific recipes no?

[coral marsh]

USBeefalo knows more than me. (I tried)

[viscid rapids]

The only time I train in resources is when the location is someplace I like with no resources at all and then I force myself because I can make it look cool

[ornate saffron]

Base recipes for iron and copper are 1 to 1. All others provide worse output ratios

[viscid rapids]

I try not to force myself into areas just because there are nodes

[tranquil latch]

is it possible to set up foundations when building in zoop to both lenght and width, like for example 12x7 zoop building

[empty spoke]

il just skip trains ig

[coral marsh]

Infinite zoop mod

[ornate saffron]

only iwth the infinite zoop mod

[ornate saffron]

they are worth learning. Some ppl love them. MY suggestion is to learn everything then use what you like

[empty spoke]

how much slots does a train have? like 4k?

so if i wanna transport like 50k of every ressource, thats a ton of trains lol

and idek if 50k will get me anywhere

[bleak valley]

I wish this was vanilla

Also good morning pioneers

[coral marsh]

Hiya

[coral marsh]

You can have about 48 thousand aluminium casings in one train car

[empty spoke]

casings are end resource =! megafactory

[bleak valley]

≠

[coral marsh]

You asked for storage capacity of a train car, I gave you a value based on what I remember

[empty spoke]

ty

[bleak valley]

[empty spoke]

well it was in reference to my previous question which was about ores lol

[bleak valley]

Checking the wiki a train car has 32 slots

So 32 stacks of whatever item

[empty spoke]

oh so it depends on the item

[bleak valley]

Yeah

[empty spoke]

thought trains work with weight or smth

[bleak valley]

If something stacks in 100’s it’ll be 3200

[empty spoke]

yea gotcha

[bleak valley]

That would be interesting but also kinda hard to pull off

[empty spoke]

okay if u can store 48k casings, then you will be able to store 9600 ore

hmm thats not too bad tbh

so 5 trains per resource

[bleak valley]

And that’s just per car

[empty spoke]

wait rly??

[bleak valley]

You can slap 5 cars on a train and carry tons of one resource

[empty spoke]

huh thats awesome

[bleak valley]

5 is an arbitrary number I don’t know if there’s a limit

[empty spoke]

why do people tell me to not transport ores with trains then?

[jagged nymph]

cause you should process them on site to save space and train cars

[empty spoke]

yea but why would i wanna do that?

[bleak valley]

Maybe not transporting ore itself since it creates more work at the end goal but transporting with trains is very useful

[empty spoke]

why do i wanna save train cars or space?

if i have plenty of both

[bleak valley]

I bring products after a few stages of production like aluminum ingots and steel beams/pipes to my main factory

[jagged nymph]

cause you get more throughput if you transport the final product, and you dont want to be processing a bunch of ore in your main factory where your bringing it to if you dont have to cuase it just clutters everything

[empty spoke]

okay but in case of a megafactory i dont see any problem with it

[unkempt blade]

if they've actually put any thought into why it's probably just because it's a low stack size item where you'll want to move a high quantity of that item which is on the less ideal side of train math

[jagged nymph]

nah you sohuld especially do it in a megafactory

[hollow acorn]

I get the whole SURPRISE factor of Coffee stain when releasing a new update. My problem is that when I see a new update coming I am inspired again to jump back into the game to continue my factory, but not knowing what comes next, kinda limist me. I am already sitting with so much I have to redo beacuase of new buildable items that it deters me from carrying on. I have been playing trough early access and when 1.0 dropped, i thought this is it, now i can focus but noooo.

[empty spoke]

how good can i calculate throughputs when i transport my ores with trains?

[unkempt blade]

take a look at https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Train_throughput

[empty spoke]

is it like headache or easy?

[ornate saffron]

i just do it simply. i use a industrial storage on each end. If the one on the output side is starving i just add another train. repeat till i have the throughput.

[bleak valley]

The station tells you how many items per load it’s dropping off for each freight car

[fluid sapphire]

thats one way, another way is to use trains so long that they are way overkill and you dont need more than one

[empty spoke]

any1 knows roughly how long a train needs from one corner of the map to the other?

[fluid sapphire]

how much does that train need to supply per minute?

[autumn path]

the square root of c

[ornate saffron]

depends on the route. If you are going along the outside edges itll be slower then going under the map

[empty spoke]

50-100k iron, but doesnt have to be from a single train

[ornate saffron]

most these lessons are learned by doing

[fluid sapphire]

100k iron? what

[empty spoke]

ore

[fluid sapphire]

per minute?

[empty spoke]

yea

[unkempt blade]

depends on a lot of things but probably something like 4-6min if it's a mostly direct route

lots of slopes will slow that down, indirect route will slow that down, waiting for other trains, etc. etc.

[fluid sapphire]

theres only 92k on the map my guy

thats the entire map, what are you doing with that much iron

[fickle wraith]

Can you somehow shield a part of a factory from radiation?

[ornate saffron]

the total map ore is 92100

[empty spoke]

yea didnt know a specific number thats why i said 50-100k

[ornate saffron]

no

[fluid sapphire]

do you have a nasa type computer?

[empty spoke]

idk gotta try it out lol

[fluid sapphire]

your computer will die trying to process all that

[empty spoke]

u think so?

[fluid sapphire]

if thats the scale you are planning for everything, yes

[empty spoke]

i mean i just wanna simply go for a megafactory, it doesnt have to be 50k iron, thats just a number i thought about that i need to finish the game

[fluid sapphire]

you dont need anywhere near that to finish the game

[empty spoke]

never been at t9 so i have no clue how much resources you need

[bleak valley]

The game actually doesn’t require a lot to finish it

[fluid sapphire]

you could probably very easily make do with like 5k

[ornate saffron]

if you are going MEGA factory you need to plan the whole factory in advance to do it well.

so get going on Satisfactory modaler and tools

[empty spoke]

what if i want 100% efficiency?

[bleak valley]

I’m halfway done with tier 8 and my main iron production uses like 5 nodes

The game is a sandbox and the tiers are basically the tutorial on all the tools

[empty spoke]

my rule for the megafactory is that i have only 1 factory for each ingredient, so i cant build 2 seperate computer factories for example

so i somehow have to magically know how much computers are needed to supply every recipe with enough computers to finish the game

[bleak valley]

I’d finish the game then probably build this your going need tons of materials to set it up

[molten vessel]

I love setting up a supply line, but I’m awful at deciding what supply lines to work on…

I hope I can convince my brother in law to play this game, I need to cooperate with someone more decisive than me, XD

[empty spoke]

no clue how do to that yet

[bleak valley]

Pretty sure someone on Reddit made a spreadsheet of every required item for the game actually

[empty spoke]

damn i need that

[ornate saffron]

i have a spreadsheet i made for all the phase parts but thats it lol

[next ivy]

you can finish the game by only having 1 of each machine per recipe tho

[molten vessel]

Except power generation, right?

[next ivy]

might get tricky

[bleak valley]

I mean if your manually crafting a lot of stuff it cuts out some power usage

[next ivy]

nuclear might be enough with a single machine

[next ivy]

underclocking