satisfactory

[wise junco]

#screenshots message Rocket fuel plant... operational, and the generator placement is in slow motion

[sick falcon]

#screenshots message im at the exact same spot building the exact same thing lol

[wise junco]

hell yeah! I came up with 3,000 rocket fuel/min with just the local resources

[sick falcon]

same but ive only automated 1500 so far

[coral marsh]

who owns "SCIM", the interactive map

[dense violet]

prob the person who runs the SCIM discord

[coral marsh]

got a link?

[unborn moss]

The link to their discord is on the SCIM website 😄

[crystal cedar]

Sm1(greeny) shudder tp'ed here by now

[coral marsh]

couldn't find it

found it

[tranquil hemlock]

Is the radar tower supposed to reveal the location of nearby sommersloops, or just that there is one in the area?

[ornate saffron]

one in area

[tranquil hemlock]

Dammit. Thanks

[coral marsh]

It'd be fun if the radar tower had a holographic area displaying its max range, it honestly surprises and sometimes absolutely astonishes me that, that sort of thing never gets added. A machine or itemy that you can place that physically reveals where ore nodes are on the in game map, should always have a physically visual hologram displaying the max range of said item/machine thay disappears once it is placed down and powered but should still have the option to display the area once it is powered

[sick falcon]

#screenshots message why is the right one lower when theyre all the same length

[next ivy]

built from top to bottom vs bottom to top ?

[sick falcon]

all are top to bottom

[spare prism]

Is there a way to find where I put my somersloops, I had 13 and idk where they went

[dense violet]

machines with them have purple clouds

[spare prism]

Even if they ain’t running

[sleek creek]

Do you all dedicate 1 train to running bottles for Nitrogen? Just going back and forth picking up and dropping off empties?

[dense violet]

not 100% sure on that

[dense violet]

you can have teh same train dropping off full ones pick up empties

[gritty falcon]

#screenshots message @exotic bane are you allergic to manifolds or is there a reason you went with load balancing? also the statue thing on the left is awesome

[weak bloom]

fuel generators are HUGE what the heck

[spare prism]

Okay I found 9 but I had 13 lol

Time to kill all my inactive friends

[hybrid nymph]

They are huge yes

When you conpack them they're about the same size as the coal generators

[weak bloom]

when you whatpack them?

[spare prism]

Oh no I ran into my power reserves I'm using to much power

[hybrid nymph]

Compact them

[weak bloom]

ah

[hybrid nymph]

Like as if you were allowed to measure the size of the coal generator and then the size of the fuel generator, they come out to roughly the same area

What tier are you on athena?

[weak bloom]

well vertically yeah but you can fit 3 coal generators wide in the same as one fuel generator

working on phase 3, I just finished the t5 milestones

[hybrid nymph]

Awesome 😎

Sounds like you're making good progress

Are you using any mods?

[glacial drum]

If you use mass delete mode you can highlight multiple machines. Any with sloops will show that in the dismantling preview

[weak bloom]

nope, vanilla for now. might try some later but haven't really looked into them

[hybrid nymph]

You don't need a mass delete mod

[spare prism]

Oh yea

[glacial drum]

I said mode. Not mod.

[hybrid nymph]

All you have to do is press F and then hold down control

You can select up to 50 items at the same time

[glacial drum]

That is what I was referring to, yes.

[hybrid nymph]

If you're going to install a mod, I would recommend "Infinite Zoop"

[weak bloom]

ok so I'm about to set up the refineries to make fuel - if I make 5 refineries' worth that's 200 fuel, enough for 10 generators. should I let the pipe fill up before actually hooking it into the generators? or is it fine to run a pipe that isn't full and probably won't ever be?

[hybrid nymph]

It allows you to place up to about 500 of the same item all at once

I would recommend making it into turbo fuel

Turbo fuel Burns for 53% longer than normal fuel does

[weak bloom]

gonna at least set up one line of them first so I can have more power capacity since I'm running up on my coal plant limit. but yeah I plan to do turbo fuel next

[glacial drum]

Setup all the generators and pipes but underclock atleast 1 of them until the pipe fills. When everything is full set it back to 100%.

[sick falcon]

#screenshots message would this work (flowing upwards)

[weak bloom]

oooh that's a good way to do it, neat

[hybrid nymph]

It is a good way to do it

Have you unlocked trains yet?

@weak bloom

[spice osprey]

Can I use items in the Dimensional Depot for HUB upgrades?

[glacial drum]

If you take them out first, yes.

Directly no.

[spice osprey]

this will sound stupid, but how do I take them out?

[sick falcon]

open inventory

big window on the left

[glacial drum]

Go into your inventory and at the top left it should tell you a button to open its menu. From there you can search item names or scroll till you find the item

Just click on it and it automatically goes into your inventeoy

[spice osprey]

oh I can click and drag it. I was doing single clicks and it wasn't working, so I thought that was just a display

[weak bloom]

yes but gonna wait until next tier to really bother with them probably

[low ingot]

Trains are heaven sent, you need them asap

also just fun to see them running around

[fickle locust]

Concrete stacking to 500 is heaven sent

[hybrid nymph]

Trains are a gift from God you need them as soon as possible. You can automate turbo fuel by using trains.

[glad drum]

#screenshots message
I gotta say, I love that we have guide lines for the jump pads

I don't know if you guys know this... but JUMP PADS WORK ON THE ELEPHANT TICK BOYS... a new sport has been born.

[open crescent]

bounce pad using a bounce pad

[weak bloom]

so this is the right way to do a pipe manifold right?
#screenshots message
also I had to create a wall, place the junction at the right, and then delete the wall, is there a less clunky way to do that? doesn't seem like junctions snap onto pipeline supports

[dense violet]

very solid pipe loop, though you generally don't need them with mk1 pipe systems

[weak bloom]

what makes mk2 different?

this one's gonna be running at 300 so shouldn't it be the same as a mk2 running at 600?

[dense violet]

higher flow pipes have more points where back flow happen so need more back flow management

[dense violet]

nah, low flow pipes (300) are more flexible

it's not really about the closeness to max flow of hte pipe but the total flow

[dense violet]

also the more junctions and more machines on a manifold will create more back flow points

so in your example with higher flow pipes, you probably want to put a 2 refineries on each feed junction

[weak bloom]

oh, interesting

[soft marsh]

Been building so much lately that I'm unsure of what to build now lol

Trying to figure out how to link some facilities together but might just build everything from scratch at those spots

[weak bloom]

should I do a similar loop with the fuel output over to the generators? it's gonna be 200 fuel/min in that pipe so I will let it fill up, but not sure if I should also do a loop there if it's isn't at full pipe throughput

[dense violet]

you only need to loop inputs 🙂 not outputs

but also 200 fluid pm is very stable. Can generally not need a loop

[weak bloom]

yeah I mean do I need to loop the fuel as inputs into the generators

[dense violet]

only with higher flows

[fickle locust]

Loops are relevant when you need to hit (close to) the maximum throughput of the pipe, not otherwise

[silk rampart]

Hello pioneers, i started playing satisfactory few weeks ago and hopelessly found my new Ark. I played ark like 3k hours of solid game time since launched until a friend suggested satisfactory.
I've already quit Ark fulltime and playing this one which i know will log in more hours than ark has

Anyways I'm looking for tips on how to dismount while ziplining the tower power poles. I have fallen to death more often than I've liked.
I figured out how to toggle the zipline to attach rather than holding R2, 180 to reverse direction, and somewhat able to switch lines but i ofteb miss my target.
Thing is when i want to stop in middle of run at a certain tower only way is to hit x or r2 and hope i don't over shoot the landing platform. I wish i could snap foundations at the top of tower to make landing pad larger

Any tips about how to dismount from ziplining without flying like a slingshot
Im on ps5 as well and there hasn't been any youtube vids all seems pc

[next ivy]

get a parachute

or aim for the middle of the tower

like the ladder or similar

you can move platforms up to the same level as the walkway of the tower too

[silk rampart]

Thanks i forgot i had unlocked parachutes! I never saw much use at the time but definitely will now keep one on me

[dense violet]

wear blade runners, basically can't die from falling

also it's simpler using regular poles and just hop the poles to the next section

[silk rampart]

I had started placing towers sideways to smack into them but its slow and interuptive 😆

I will try what you said with foundations. I had been placing towers on grounds as is but i think i had been able to place/snap foundations at bottom and will work up

[weak bloom]

huh it's taking a hot minute to actually saturate this but it seems stable \o/ very fun watching my power grid capacity basically double from connecting a single pipe lol

[silk rampart]

I have them but the towers are high, i been putting them on the mushroom like things in area before oil field.
I was struggling to see in that area and couldn't tell where i had placed them.
I unlocked the cluster thing this morning and planning to level the path way.

Another this is i notice some trees don't respawn. I was clearing an area for biofuels but the area still empty after fw days. I hadnt placing any builds or power towers....is this a thing where some things dont respawn?

[sick falcon]

unfortunately i’m bad at watching my fuel gauge

[dense violet]

you'll want the jet pack then. I just use regular poles at normal heights.

[next ivy]

most things dont respawn as you dont really need that fuel forever and are supposed to switch off of it fairly quickyl
enemies do respawn tho

[gusty junco]

does anyone else find the sound of fuel generators so satisfactory

is that too random a thought for #satisfactory

[silk rampart]

I enjoy the water extractors and coal generator myself

The oil ones seem more heavy in at times. Where the water ones seem rhythmic? But i have bad hearing so i can't really comment on it lol

Ive got ten of the fuel ones and 16 of the coal ones

[gusty junco]

the sound of industry

[silk rampart]

That's good to know as i want to keep some areas intact and be able to enjoy the views.
I haven't been using much on biofuels lately as i got my coal and oil generators up. Still use bio gens when setting up new area for mining and constuction of some resourse on location until i get power lines hooked up

[next ivy]

i mostly use power poles to travel, so i already have power everywhere

[hazy topaz]

what do yall think of my factory? #design-and-architecture message

[silk rampart]

Its only going to get bigger as we unlock the nuclear age and have to have 1000s of machines running

[gusty junco]

yup

[silk rampart]

Looks good! It also looks like the same area where i set my hub and main location at

[hazy topaz]

Next to the 3 normal nodes?

[silk rampart]

Yup and 2 limestone and copper nearby.
I built on the cliff behind the 3 iron ores and the area is a 3 way intersection. Im going to have a raised factory and a train station underneath

[tropic arrow]

Just checking to make sure I understand Block Signals correctly... If my track is a loop and I add a single block signal, I have to go around and add block signals everywhere on the loop at periodic distances to ensure multiple trains can still use it properly. Because there is no such thing as an "End Block" signal. Is that correct?

[dense violet]

correct

[tropic arrow]

that's...wow

[white dawn]

Yep, what block signals do is define the "borders" of the blocks

[dense violet]

well each block signal is an 'end block'

I'm not sure why you're surprised

you could just have 2 block signals on the whole loop I guess?

you'd only be able to have 2 trains on it thoguh

[white dawn]

You'll see the blocks change color as you add more; it'll make more intuitive sense once you have a few more down

[weak bloom]

"hm how are the ratios with turbofuel-"

18.75/min
you've got to be kidding me LMAO

[tropic arrow]

but then only two trains would be moving on the entire loop at any time

[weak bloom]

I think the era of being able to mental math my way through this game is coming to an end

[dense violet]

yup so add more blocks

[hazy topaz]

Any tips for aesethetics as I currently have it set up?

[dense violet]

ratios in a game where you can clock all your machines from 1% to 250% are meaningless

[weak bloom]

yeah that's also valid, I've been hoarding my slugs and not really using them yet, gotta start doing that

[dense violet]

under clocking is always free 🙂

[dense violet]

have a planner https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=ZKgyFszK9fPkt3Ba6emw

[hazy topaz]

Planning is for people who aren't' following FISCIT's core pillars: Construct, Automate, Explore and Exploit

I like to follow the method of "screw it, we ball"

[dense violet]

I don't plan stuff pre end of game unless it's power really

[weak bloom]

oh my god you unintentionally saved me so much headache
I was using the planner on my phone earlier and I came home and went to the interactive map tab I had open, opened the calculator, and was losing my mind like WHY DOES IT LOOK DIFFERENT
.......it was the satisfactory-calculator.com one and not this one LOL

[dense violet]

none of the planners are great on mobile - but this one is great on desktop

SCIM's calculator is ... less than amazing

Great map though

[weak bloom]

yeah the map has been fantastic

[dense violet]

also I was pretty intentional in trying to help xD

the whole of the intention tbh

[sleek creek]

Is there a bugged power crash sight? It says it requires 40w and I am up to 6 biogens currently and it blows the fuse every time.

[weak bloom]

well more so making me realize that there were two websites LOL

[unkempt blade]

The tools code has an MIT license. Someone could have AI make a mobile app from it

[dense violet]

get out

[dense violet]

take off your hoverpack

[unkempt blade]

hey I'm just trying to have AI do something good for society for once!

[sleek creek]

Thanks!

[hazy topaz]

What are some key blueprints I need, I just unlocked the milestone for that

[dense violet]

none really.
Having some basic ones for each machine type you can plop out can help you get through the tiers?

just have a couple machines already connected to power and belts and that's 90% of the work done

[dense violet]

when you're making a big set up, make some tailored to fit BPs of sections of hte factory that you'll repeat a bunch

[weak bloom]

hmmm. so say I'm going to be a maniac and make 300 turbofuel/min to power a massive power plant
but I also want some packaged turbofuel. if I take some of that turbofuel off to package it, and that line fills up and stops, will it make the refineries also stall when the turbofuel backs up? and will that cause an issue with the generators?

[dense violet]

yes, send overflow to a sink

[dense violet]

also, to make your life easier, have 1 fuel producer feed fuel directly to the packager

[weak bloom]

so for any multi-output machine, I should NEVER be consuming less than is produced from them, and either make sure it's 100% efficiency or sink the overflow?

[unkempt blade]

If I want just a trickle over time I just do a little raised bump in the pipe at the end of my row of power generators and send whatever little remainder to a packager my generators don't use

[dense violet]

always gotta manage by products

[feral snow]

when my factory is clogged I can go in and grab resources quickly and easily!

it's great

[dense violet]

yeah have a buffer to hold a ton - but you'll need to sink the byproducts to keep the clogged stuff flowing

[last bluff]

is it around turbofuel when you get the alt recipes to help with resources or is that later? because I like my alt recipes to sink waste

some can even use the output as input basically

[unkempt blade]

you can start getting alt recipes from the moment you unlock the MAM if you want to

[silk rampart]

I would suggest not investing too much time in making buildings. Just do floor layouts.
I am doing a huge floor area that will allow me to sprea out as i go along

Ive already had to dismantle and rebuild twice
Im currently doing a 40x40 foundation wide area
Im probably only using 20% of space but this way once i get new parts or etc need to build i have room

Second i would and i steess this is my personal preference to avoid walls and ceilings. Keep it open until you feel its final
For me its being able to get on my radio tower and look down to see the layout

Lastly unlock from shop the half blocks, corner pieces and varios ramp corners, ladders, cat walks to help with floor layout and etc
I wouldn't use tickets to buy parts or trophies.
Its harder to get more tickets as point levels increase

[unkempt blade]

Am I reading this correct in that your tips are "just don't do aesthetics"?

[fiery pewter]

Seems like it

[hazy topaz]

That is only the front of the building, I rebuilt it twice because I didn't have that logistics floor before along with the conveyor organization that feeds into the factory, its a manifold system for the production of all 3 recipes so I can expand it sideways, I made it 3 tiles tall per floor of factory so I have tons of space for the machines and catwalks but rn I don't really care about belt logistics (internally) because i'm going to unlock T2 miners and T3 belts soon so I will have to reorganize it later. I luckily realized that tickets are hard to get so i've been only spending them on things that help my production lol

[silk rampart]

Aesthetics like cosmetic of building?

[weak bloom]

ok I think I have an idea. let me know if this will work or I'm missing something
I'm producing 300 turbofuel + 270 polymer resin.
300 turbofuel can power 40 generators. so I'll run 39 and put the remaining 7.5 turbofuel into packaged turbofuel (don't need a lot, just enough for like, jetpack)
so the polymer resin will be making plastic and rubber, some of the plastic to making containers for the packager, which will definitely clog because there's way less fuel than the recipe
so if I just sink the overflow of the polymer resin out of the refineries (before it gets used for anything), and sink the overflow of the packaged turbofuel, it'll be all good?

[silk rampart]

I might have mixed the two up

[dense violet]

sounds great.
you could also process ALL of hte polymer resin to plastic and containers and get more points from the sink? up to you though

it would be sijmpler to just make 7.5 containers pm for the 7.5 fuel excess you'll be making though

[weak bloom]

oh also true. haven't really figured out what I want to do with plastic and rubber yet though so in the meantime I could do that

oh 7.5 container/min is 30 plastic/min that's PERFECT I LOVE MATH

[unkempt blade]

if you have the recipe to automate fabric unlocked you could also turn some resin into automated fabric => filters

[glad drum]

It took all night but I finally did the first part of my strategy to retrieve quartz crystal from the cave in the rocky dessert... #streams-and-videos message

Making Factory Carts bounce on jump pads turned out to be much more difficult and prone to changes & trial and error than I thought

[silk rampart]

As far as focus on building looks and designs in early game, yes i would refraind from it and focus on floors and floor plans for early game. Later once i feel floor plan is final then I'd add walls and all yhe finishing touches.
This is just my preference to make things easier for me and being able to see my layout from high view points

[glad drum]

Why even bother with walls and floors when you could be one with nature

[weak bloom]

why be one with nature when you can raze an entire biome and replace it with CONCRETE

[glad drum]

that's fair tbh - but concrete spaghetti isn't as tasty as organic spaghetti

[dense violet]

looks better is why

[unkempt blade]

won't somebody PLEASE think of the doggos?

[weak bloom]

......I am going to overclock a refinery purely so I can use 8 instead of 9 and make it more aesthetically pleasing

it also means I can use 8 for fuel and 16 for turbofuel so I just make a grid of 24

[unkempt blade]

that's good, it's important to stick to the fibonacci sequence when laying out a factory

[silk rampart]

Another thing ro do with tickets is to find a couple ore nodes like limestone, place miner mk2 with couple constructors, make concrete and belt feed it to sink.
When you get to oil fields, set up to where you have residuals from fuel those blue pellets and feed that to sink. It wont be much but the consistency of resources being fed will play out

[silk rampart]

Most of the factory will be open except my office skyscraper 😆

[unkempt blade]

I need walls, etc so I can fill my world with lots of color like #screenshots message #screenshots message

[glad drum]

You make a compelling argument

[oblique hound]

i just ran into the power switch hover pack bug thing for the first time and it took down my entire power grid, what do people mean by it not impacting anyone

also for such a major bug how has it been in the game for 5 years

[unkempt blade]

what's the bug?

[dense violet]

... I have no idea how you set up your power grid but it must be a nightmare for the minor stutter to have taken it down

[oblique hound]

apperently whenever the hover pack switches grids all the machines on the grid it switches to go idle for a few seconds

[dense violet]

less than a secon

[unkempt blade]

Interesting, I've never noticed that one

[dense violet]

it's common but unless you're doing something like sushi load balancing it really doesn't do anything

[oblique hound]

my world has flat graphs and I didnt have that much overhead, so it lost like 10% power and blew the grid

my batteries could restart it but still

also what do you mean less than a second for me its like 10

[dense violet]

did it pause an augmenter that was being supplied or something?

[oblique hound]

no, my current save is in tier 7

[dense violet]

then having less than a second pausing on fuel production or something should definitely not have crashed your system unless it was on the brink of falling over

like none of your fuel gens would have had fuel in them or anything

[oblique hound]

i was troubleshooting the issue, not knowing about the bug, and because i was moving between the grids it just kept idling everything enough as i was moving around trying to fix it

[dense violet]

even repeated idling reallllly shouldn't have done anything

[unkempt blade]

I'd imagine some combination of priority switches and power storage would probably protect you from this issue?

[oblique hound]

yeah I currently don't have my batteries linked to the grid so that priority switches will activate first, (cough cough realism something) but the plant tripping disconnected it

I set my world up like an IRL power grid because i'm a nerd, honestly was probably a bad idea

500 hours in though i dont want to change it

[dense violet]

honestly I would'nt be surprised if there was something else that had happened, like something stopped being delivered as you're the only person in the many years here I've ever heard actually having an issue with it (that wasn't doing sushi load balancing)

[oblique hound]

hmm

the main thing that i am seeing is the time difference, it might be a hardware thing (have something to do with calculating the grids node graph or whatever) but it idles machines for like 10 seconds each time in my case

in the future I wont have my power plants split into 5 independent systems though 😭

#streams-and-videos message

i forgot this server blocks embeds from ouside sources, but heres the video for refrence

[dense violet]

it shouldn't be anywhere near this. They'll stutter machiens for the shortest idle time possible which I think is less than half a second?

something else is going on there

ok in the vid it isn't 10 seconds but it also looks like you're actively trying to hit a system multiple times

I've never seen anyone try to spam the bug in one go

[oblique hound]

those three power poles are each separate grids, i was moving past them to trigger it as the hoverpack is a bit inconsistent

it does that when im moving around for the same amount of time, that was just the easiest way to show it in a video

[midnight ferry]

If i need to ask a small question and it seems unnecessary to open a thread for it, can i ask it here

it's like a really tiny question

[feral snow]

no

[dense violet]

what is your question

[reef basin]

Thread is still better even if small. You can attach images and stuff there

[reef basin]

Can ask in #1038092680493801533 next time 🙂 most of the server doesn't block embeds

[oblique hound]

yeah, i would have made a post but it stated out as more of a statement ._.

[autumn path]

Any Smart! users know how to change or lock the x/y axis?

[dense violet]

try the smart discord - I'd invite you but I ditched it a while back

[weak bloom]

Oh boy heavy industrial frame is kinda insane

[dense violet]

there are alt recipes that really reduce the resources needed

[dense violet]

for example https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=s33lqTryKtTKrjTMH2hJ

it cuts down iron use by about 75% and coal/limestone by 50% vs base recipes

[sick falcon]

heavy frames are the first actually complicated part in the game imo

[weak bloom]

Do alternate recipes only show for stuff you have available as the base recipe? Or is it just random from anything?

[dense violet]

only items you've unlocked

[weak bloom]

Oh I should really do those earlier then o_o time for a hard drive tour tomorrow

[reef basin]

well, it's more complicated, each recipe has a milestone that unlocks it

[exotic bane]

I always used manifolds but wanted to try load balancing, also helped find if I am under suppling a line faster then waititng for a manifold. The statue thing is a blue print I found for a hyper tub canon. works well

[fallen prairie]

Hi guys I'm new and I tried to search but there is SO MUCH info here! I've got a 240 coal mine and I set up two transports there that go to two coal powerplants that both consume 120/m. I just realized that my transport tractors also use the same coal for fuel so I will eventually run out of coal for the plants. Maybe I got too ambitious with 2x8 coal plants early on lol. Thinking of just turning off one or two plants at each site? Don't really want to refill manually... Any other suggestions or links?

[reef basin]

looks like you're on a good track, just carry on with the game, learn it yourself rather than following tutorials or advices from here

[sick falcon]

do drones pathfind around structures or do they just clip through

[jolly kindle]

They pathfind

Idk what they do if you build above it though.

[sick falcon]

going to build a drone maze and see if it can solve it

[jolly kindle]

neat, post pics.

[reef basin]

drone: goes above
you: shocked pikachu face

[normal orbit]

They don't pathfind to any great extent. Will just go thru floors or cealings

from what i've seen there seems to be an altitude they wanna be at, and if your drone port is actually above that, they will fly thru it from below to land on it :p

[toxic lichen]

just make the maze go from bottom of the map to height limit

problem solved ;-;

[tall lantern]

drone: phases through wall
you: shocked pikachu face

[toxic lichen]

sigh

make drone phase proof walls silly

i want a roomba in game

[leaden turret]

@obsidian zodiac please check DMs re: yesterday's stream

[frosty mirage]

My max consumption is 8k, actual consumption is 5k and capacity is 7k

Should i risk it and build a new factory? 👀

Or maybe expand power?

I like living on the edge

[surreal rose]

build

i had 18k max and 5k actual and 11k capacity

as long as things that stopped working wont start working again you good

but i'd recommend getting capacity above max consumption later

[cunning glade]

Okay maybe this game isn't as optimized as I thought cuz holy preformace issues

[frosty mirage]

Yea, fair enough, i just completed phase 3 because i wanted mk5 and hoverpack

[surreal rose]

it's pretty optimized as long as there walls

[frosty mirage]

But getting into aluminum setups without enough power might not be ideal

[cunning glade]

That might be my issue haven't walled in any Factorys yet

[surreal rose]

what phase r you?

[cunning glade]

But still even with that before I went and played factorio the lag and stuttering and freezing wasn't this bad

[cunning glade]

4

[frosty mirage]

Pc or console?

I assume pc

[surreal rose]

everything scattered around map or all factories in your core?

[cunning glade]

12700k 7900xtx 32gb 4000mhz

[frosty mirage]

Maybe lower settings a bit

[cunning glade]

But im already playing on balanced😭

[frosty mirage]

Ultra?

[cunning glade]

For most settings ye

[frosty mirage]

Lower some of them imo

[cunning glade]

I was rocking solid 250fps but now I'm too like 200

And fps drops are horrid tho

[frosty mirage]

It depends also on how your factories are scattered

[cunning glade]

Decently

[frosty mirage]

Bigger factories tend to create problems

[cunning glade]

I can send a pic of the map in a sec

[frosty mirage]

From what i know

[cunning glade]

I totally don't make big factorys hold up I'm gonna throw the save into interactive map

[frosty mirage]

Did u bench your setup? Is it performing well?

Because tbh ur setup seems decent

Putting aside the intel cpu 🤭🤭

[surreal rose]

His setup is peak

[frosty mirage]

Its a good one, i just dont like intel, dont get me wrong

[surreal rose]

And should carry like every game and fps drops either big factory loading when you come close to it or something else

[cunning glade]

ig its up there #screenshots message

[cunning glade]

this was when intel didnt kill there brand and they were good

[cunning glade]

pretty much worst case 7900xtx scales with power and i can give it 800w so a bit more juice and i get some more fps

but the drops are so bad

[normal orbit]

could be cpu related

satisfactory is a lot more cpu bound than gpu

[surreal rose]

What you need 2k constructors and nothing else for😭

[sterile blade]

Factorio can handle 10x the factory with about the same load on GPU...
SF is very GPU-heavy, it's quite hard to make the CPU struggle without having the GPU crying already

[cunning glade]

im in the swamp i think #screenshots message this is causing the lag

[cunning glade]

#screenshots message i think this is false

[normal orbit]

foundations alone dont cause lag. its machines, belts and pipes constantly being calculated

[cunning glade]

cuz no way i only have 200 assemblers

yeah my hmf alone is 145

wacky

[surreal rose]

Swamp won't cause lags bc most of the trees and stuff disappearing/losing polygons as you going futher and overall pretty optimized

[leaden turret]

stick factory in box in one corner of the map
stand on the other side of the map

ta-da

[cunning glade]

me with my 18gb of vram usage in factorio lol

[sterile blade]

That's just the number of machines xD
Or do you also think they only built MK1 belts all over the save? :P

[cunning glade]

no i mean the building

[surreal rose]

Yeah i know thats bc of machines

[cunning glade]

it makes 9454.54 rocket fuel a min

[sterile blade]

AFAIK, there is no way to "hide" anything from SCIM. The numbers can't lie

[surreal rose]

Hmmm, i have worse specs but i get lag spikes only when enter zone of my factory so i doubt the reason is in the game

[cunning glade]

it just seems like such a small amount

my computer factory im making rn adds 223 assemblers alone

ig ive prolly oced them

[sterile blade]

It counts all machines, regardless of wether they're powered or have a recipe set, so there should be no way to miss anything

[twin parcel]

when you build pipe networks for 20+ water extractors , do u build the piipes with 20 of them overclocked in mind or build the pipes asssuming its not overclock ?

[cunning glade]

yeah i dont think it is just feels low is all

[hybrid nymph]

I just installed a new mod: power tower plus

[cunning glade]

ig i need too build more

100comps and 20 supercomps a min is almost done and then we get too do the first phase 4 part

[sterile blade]

Just for clarity: is sums up the number of machines, so it doesn't account for overclock.
Ie: 2 machines at 250% count as 2 machines, not 5

[surreal rose]

Overclocked

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> does the respawn gag mean ||1.2 has finally fixed the zombie pioneer issue?||

[cunning glade]

my 6450 rubber and 3000 plastic a min factory is the worst offender

going near that thing is hell

[surreal rose]

Why you need so much rubber

[cunning glade]

thank fuck i did trains and can set it and forget it

[normal orbit]

my fuel plant has a bit of a dip when approaching and passing the limit where signs starts emitting :p mostly cause it has like 200.000 signs in it

[cunning glade]

so im making 6000 plastic and rubber cuz i have another factory making 3k plastic

cuz i need atleast 3k

so overproduce so i dont have too go back and make more

also only at 50% cpu usage

[sterile blade]

Note: copy-pasted signs are more optimized than "unique" signs (ie: signs whose settings haven't been copy-pasted take more performance)

[zenith pecan]

Sounds like my spire project output 😁

[normal orbit]

yea, its not a big dip, goes from like 140 fps down to 120, then once its loaded it all its back up to 140

[cunning glade]

i just like more machines cuz they look cool all working

[gloomy tusk]

I want to make a clock tower like drawing xaos any ideas?

[cunning glade]

i straight freeze for like 2 seconds

like every 5-20 seconds

fucking aids

[sterile blade]

Are you running out of vRAM...?

[cunning glade]

only at 15gb usage

out of 24gb

[zenith pecan]

30/4090 huh 🙂

[cunning glade]

fuck no

[gloomy tusk]

Ramageddon hit you?

[cunning glade]

7900xtx cheaper and more raster after oc

and i have fsr4 for this game so

[cunning glade]

nah talking vram

[sterile blade]

Maybe there's some settings needing to be adjusted 🤷‍♂️
Eg: "click this button here that you never noticed to make the game run smoothly"

[zenith pecan]

My old 3090 has done alright tbh, though I have had to replace its fans recently.

[cunning glade]

ram wise i got 32gb 4000mhz ddr4

[gloomy tusk]

What’s the difference? (I’m new to pc stuff?)

[cunning glade]

12700k i wanted ddr5 but when ddr5 dropped it was like 700$ a kit

[normal orbit]

ram on gpu vs ram in system, diffrent usecases

[cunning glade]

so i went ddr4

[zenith pecan]

System ram is what the computer uses to run shit, vram is on the graphics card, it holds textures locally etc.

[gloomy tusk]

Ok thanks

[sterile blade]

vRAM is memory on the GPU itself (literally on the card)
RAM in on the motherboard, next to the CPU

[cunning glade]

3090 also wasnt worth it was like 2k at the gpu crisis for like 5 better fps which again u just oc and boom ur set

need 3k more in timespy on mine too beat a 3090 on ln2

[zenith pecan]

Price shot up by 2x merely days after I bought it, pure luck on my part tbh.

[gloomy tusk]

Oh yeah what is overclockibg does it make your pc better?

[cunning glade]

nice

yeah was like 2k-3k where 6900xt was 1.4k

[cunning glade]

if u do it right yes if u do it wrong it will run worse

[sterile blade]

Remember the Nitro from Need For Speed...?
Jokes aside, usually you push the hardware more to get better performance (so can be worth it if you have good cooling and know your stuff)

[zenith pecan]

I got it for 1.4, ballooned to 2.4 then onwards and upwards, was outright disgusting pricing hikes.

[cunning glade]

i love ocing my cpu ram and gpu are all oced

its more a hobby than anything

idk why its so addicting

but u optimize and get better number

[normal orbit]

overclocking can cause weird dips, depending on many factors

[gloomy tusk]

I’m thinking of going with an aio but don’t want it busting all over my pc

[sterile blade]

Maybe because it makes you feel like you have so much control over your machine... ~

[cunning glade]

had an aio since 2021

still fine no issues

[zenith pecan]

10 minutes before work, I'll make my hub area in my factory look much nicer later on and just chill, the HMF factory last night was a bit finnicky.

[normal orbit]

having had 3 aios fail prematurely, air cooling all the way :p

[cunning glade]

air cooling isnt strong enoug h

at all

[zenith pecan]

I switched to air after a leak fragged one of my machines.

[cunning glade]

620w 1.3v on my 6900xt and i got 119c lol

[normal orbit]

it absolutely is, like a noctua nh-d15 is comparable to a 360 aio

[cunning glade]

was the card made for 300w maybe idc

[hybrid nymph]

Not exactly, professional Overclocker here

[cunning glade]

fuck no in no way does a custom loop compare too air

air sucks dick low-key for cooling stuff down

[gloomy tusk]

Lets calm down

[hybrid nymph]

360mm AIOs suck, the 240mm outpreforms it

[normal orbit]

lots of techtuber channels done tests on it, and they are very comparable in performance

[hybrid nymph]

now the Noctua NH-D15 is the best cooler you can buy, but it's GIGANTIC! and doesn't fit in most cases, you need a full tower case for it

[cunning glade]

well im 4k so 10fps is kinda huge but also i dislike nivida bad company and being able beat the 90 series in raster is fun hoping next gent they catch up in rt at top end

[cunning glade]

sure at low wattages

at 600-800w water is needed and not an option

[hybrid nymph]

Not according to Linus Tech Tips, according to him the Scythe Mugen 5 Rev C is almost identical performance to the Coirsair h-100i

[cunning glade]

if i want over 3.4ghz on core i need hotspot under 85cish

[normal orbit]

lol you think your 12700 is using 6-800W? :p

[leaden turret]

#off-topic-tech exists for a reason

[hybrid nymph]

and the scythe cooler is only $60 as compated to $120 for the corsair one, and it's quit too

[cunning glade]

hopefully once i get water i can aim for 3700 on core and then 3000mhz on vram so soc and vram are 1:1

[sterile blade]

Whatever floats your boat~

[cunning glade]

no my 7900xtx is tho

[hybrid nymph]

okay let's take this to #off-topic-tech

[gloomy tusk]

I’m sorry I believe I started this

[cunning glade]

well can i dont like letting it use 800w on air cuz 50c core temp and like 105c hotspot

[sterile blade]

Yes, the is coming for you
||Joke disclaimer||

[gloomy tusk]

[hybrid nymph]

The one true God Snutt has spoken

[cunning glade]

plus nivida doesnt oc well

[hybrid nymph]

Oh BTW when I get married I'm getting 3 dogs: a husky named Luna, a corgi named Nacho, and a Samyoed named Snutt

[gloomy tusk]

“One true god”?

[hybrid nymph]

indeed

the one true god has spoken

[gloomy tusk]

Is that meant to be like saying other gods aren’t real?

[hybrid nymph]

correct yes

Nicholas Cage is NOT the one true god

[gloomy tusk]

I myself am atheist but I dont believe we need to bring that here

[hybrid nymph]

I am an atheist too, I'm making a joke dude

[leaden turret]

theism is #off-topic-general

[hybrid nymph]

very well

[gloomy tusk]

Make Marv a mod

[hybrid nymph]

he should be a mod

[leaden turret]

ahahahahaahahahaha no

[hybrid nymph]

I used to be a mod in a different server, but some people lied and accused me of misconduct, which wasn't true, and the admins believed it and I got demoted

It was in a Yugioh server

[gloomy tusk]

I got demoted from a server because I banned someone but then they paid to get unbanned and paid for me to be demoted 😭

[hybrid nymph]

I left a server the other day

I finally brought myself to do it

[surreal rose]

i became mod manager on another server in like 2023 and 1 day after that left the server(just like 5 mod managers before me)

[hybrid nymph]

they were so damn mean to me 😔

[gloomy tusk]

I love how we are managing to talk about everything but satisfactory

[leaden turret]

hurr hurr you said butt

[gloomy tusk]

I’m sorry to hear that but it is good you left then and this is a nicer server

[hybrid nymph]

they treated me like dirt, you guys treat me like family

I love being here, and I feel valued and appreciated and welcome here

in that other server I didn't

[gloomy tusk]

We treat everyone as fellow people trying to save the cute puppies and kittens that are totally still waiting to be rescued

[hybrid nymph]

okay as ADA says "Back to work!"

[sterile blade]

Step 1: set decent rules
Step 2: have decent mods
Step 3: eventually you just have decent users

Ops, I came in late.
Speaking of trains...

[gloomy tusk]

Trains are like a box of chocolates

I refuse to elaborate

[surreal rose]

i'll make tunells for trains

in future

[sterile blade]

Madlad :O

[surreal rose]

MAYBE

[hybrid nymph]

I wish you could make tunnels for trains

[late glade]

Trains are my biggest headache but I love them

[hybrid nymph]

Trains are love, trains are life 💖🚂

[sterile blade]

Esthetically speaking, we very much can

[dense violet]

keep them simple and you'll have an easy time. Basically like everything in the game

[late glade]

Timing them is a mindfuck tho

[dense violet]

wdym 'timing' them?

[late glade]

But that would be boring xD

[hybrid nymph]

okay launching the game at 2AM lol

[late glade]

What the actual item per minute throughput is

[dense violet]

I mean as long as you understand trains can be extremely easy going

[hybrid nymph]

I can play for an hour

[dense violet]

there's an equation on the wiki to calculate it pretty easily

[late glade]

Wait what

[dense violet]

you can also generally eye ball a system - usually 1 belt per platform works unless it's quite a long route

[late glade]

I got some 18 min connections

[gloomy tusk]

#off-topic-media

Cat got caught

[late glade]

So I divide (amount of items in the train)/(time the train needs to arrive)

[surreal rose]

train got caught liking his foot?

[dense violet]

why on earth is your train taking 18 min?

[surreal rose]

too many stations

[gloomy tusk]

Grammar speak good you

[surreal rose]

how to say liking?

licking?

[gloomy tusk]

Yes

[surreal rose]

alr thanks

[late glade]

I sometimes need certain stuff at horrible spots

[gloomy tusk]

I assume English is not your first language?

[surreal rose]

yes

[gloomy tusk]

I apologise for my statement then

[surreal rose]

learned it from speaking with other humans

[dense violet]

have trains go A to B, don't do a big loop. It makes everything 100x harder and you end up having huge stations everywhere

[late glade]

Leading to horrible connections

[gloomy tusk]

Well I’m going to bed goodnight everyone

[late glade]

Oh I do, it just takes an eternity for them ti get from a to b

[surreal rose]

goodnight

[dense violet]

it really shouldn't take more than 6 or 7 min to do a round trip from one end of the map to the other

[late glade]

Wait what

Aight I’m going to rework my train system

[dense violet]

I'd probably, at this point, just unlock everything and finish the phases

then start your own projects so yo ucan design around them

[late glade]

Ah wait, i measure the time it need to get back to the root input because that’s the time it would take for the items to get back to the output with the next load

I’m sorry if it sounds weird, I’m not used to explaining this stuff in English

[dense violet]

thats ok

[wispy osprey]

SF news said the update is guaranteed for March but I'm still a bit skeptical since 1.2 has a lot more than they initially teased now

And they're still in testing

So much for Q1 lol

[tall lantern]

2.0?

[wispy osprey]

1.2.0*

[tall lantern]

also they never said Q1

they said first half of the year

[wispy osprey]

Enough time for them to overhaul fluids

[tall lantern]

the only confirmed timing we have atm is the release date of the experimental release date (not confusing at all, that), which is Friday

not to be confused with the actual experimental release date

[scenic timber]

Does anyone know a good, comprehensive fluid guide? Doing my nut in why my maximum throughput on my pipes is 300 when I just upgraded them all to T2.

[wispy osprey]

If fluid pipes worked exactly like belts I'd instantly return to the game

[late glade]

I love fluids sm haha

[dense violet]

keep it simple is mostly the trick, but also a few basic rules #math-and-meta message

[dense violet]

I truly hope they never become belts

[wispy osprey]

It's overly complex and doesn't work like you expect at all

[late glade]

But it does tho?

[tall lantern]

most likely issue there is you missed a bit

[dense violet]

they are as simple as you make them to be

[late glade]

It’s pretty fun

[dense violet]

do silly thigns with pipes get silly results

[dense violet]

make a post in #1038092680493801533 or post some images in #math-and-meta

[late glade]

After I understood how elevation gain works it got really fun

[normal orbit]

not that complex really. just experiment with building and you'll figure out how they work

[hybrid nymph]

what's going on? I dozed off

[tall lantern]

someone forgot to upgrade a pipe segment

[cunning glade]

i mean u can u can put them not only underground but make it a true tunnel

[hybrid nymph]

oof not good

In my medical opinion THE HEAVY IS DED!!

[late glade]

Wdym?

[cunning glade]

uhh u can put them underground

[late glade]

By just clipping it into there

[hybrid nymph]

if you get out of the choo choo while it clips through the ground you get stuck

[normal orbit]

you can fairly easily clip a rail into the ground, drive a train thru it and end up under world, then you can just build w/e you want down there

[cunning glade]

like tf2 heavy?

[cunning glade]

hypertubes

[hybrid nymph]

yes exactly! lol

[cunning glade]

yeah im gonna play deadlock then u convinced me

[scenic timber]

So I have inadvertently made pretty much exactly that loop, but the issue is before then in the buffer before the distribution channels. Will make a post.

[dense violet]

yes, as mentioned in the basic rules - don't use buffers

[cunning glade]

for fluids?

[late glade]

Sounds sketchy but I’ll try it out

[dense violet]

yes, don't use fluid buffers. Except on train platforms

[cunning glade]

im so glad too be back with my fluids

[normal orbit]

just dont fall :p

[hybrid nymph]

why can't I like your post?

[cunning glade]

didnt enjoy factorios fluids

[normal orbit]

prob cuz they've blocked you

[scenic timber]

I thought buffers were meant to be to prevent temporary loss of liquid from sloshing? Will remove the buffers and see what changes.

[dense violet]

they will either:

1. do nothing
2. hide problems
3. cause problems

[hybrid nymph]

How immature, what a child! What did I ever do to deserve that?

[cunning glade]

fair

[hybrid nymph]

you blocked me!? WTF? I want to see an admin and I want to appeal this, I am a great person. I am offended that someone would block me in something that I am very good at and contribute to

[cunning glade]

peaklock time

[hybrid nymph]

I'm not happy that I was blocked, I am extremly offended

[late glade]

I can’t recognize irony in English through text, I’m out lel

[dense violet]

If something is ferrous oxide then it's Rusty.
Just ferrous? Irony

[elfin idol]

i have finished my lumen visual enhancements engine.ini file with some help from @sterile blade who provided a save for me to test stuff out on :) if anyone would like to try them feel free to use the link to try them out! https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DRk9Cpdb5CUqnMEyjRJzVOiE11OJoOoy/view?usp=sharing

[cunning glade]

will gladly lg g5 user here i love light

[elfin idol]

what i will say is its not easy to run by any means, in a busy factory with my 3070ti and ryzen 5700, i barely push 60fps stable

but if you are on an equivalent setup or better it does looks super nice

[cunning glade]

acutally need too get the renodx mod for this game

cuz coffee stain said fuck u and ur hdr

[elfin idol]

haha i dont have a hdr capable monitor ;/

so im not too worried xD

[cunning glade]

12700k 7900xtx 32gb so i will be chilling

[elfin idol]

hell yeah

[cunning glade]

lucky

[cunning glade]

i got that 2800nit peak brightness

[elfin idol]

if you are on windows and have stuttering issues, make sure to disable HAGS

also forcing DX11 can help too

for in game settings, just max the standard stuff out, use TSR, you can upscale but i prefer keeping render res at 100%

[cunning glade]

nah fsr 4 fucks

me like alot

[elfin idol]

hm im not sure how well it will work with my settings but you can give it a go

as i tuned the temporal sampling

[cunning glade]

even on performance its still like not noticeable like if u look close u can tell but meh

[cunning glade]

i mean i can try

[elfin idol]

but yeah give it a go it might look good!

[cunning glade]

cant believe amd is fumbling fsr so much

[scenic timber]

Optiscaler, doing what AMDon't.

[cunning glade]

like it works so well on 7000 cards even 6000

[cunning glade]

so real

i love the pop ups in the bottom from optiscaler tho

its peak

[elfin idol]

tbf i just tried fsr and it seems great from a first glance but thats not me on a good test save haha

[scenic timber]

I just hope they can get FSR4 in Vulkan working in Linux soon. They just released it for Windows, but doesn't work in Linux yet 🙁

[cunning glade]

i cant wait for next gen

amd atleast aslong as they dont fuck it up

[cunning glade]

modders were working on it

[elfin idol]

oh and for the lumen lighting preset, i prefer dark, but feel free to change it to taste

fog off can make things look nicer too

which you can toggle in the console

[cunning glade]

like nivida really isnt an option anymore cuz well me i dont like the risk of my gpu frying itself

[elfin idol]

with "show fog"

[cunning glade]

especially on a 3k gpu

[gloomy tusk]

Warranty

[cunning glade]

nivida pulled an intel but they have the rep of apple so they can get away with it smh

[elfin idol]

yeah i mean fsr actually just seems better lol

[cunning glade]

okay even still fuck waiting 2 or 3 weeks

[elfin idol]

again keep it 100% scale

[leaden turret]

#off-topic-tech , again

[elfin idol]

you just flat gain fps and im not seeing many artifacts at all

[knotty bane]

is there any reasonable way to handle multiple item types on a single platform?
working on a satisfactory plus playthrough rn and it seems clunky to have 2 4x train stations for a stop that handles 5 item types (4 input, 1 output)

[elfin idol]

im on about some in game stuff 😭

[dense violet]

easily

after the drop off platform - buffer > sorter to individual item buffers + sink

[cunning glade]

never thought of this

[knotty bane]

i thought about that but youd have to be able to fully empty the container every cycle twice and youd be wasting a lot of resources in the extreme case where one is overflowing

[cunning glade]

an iq truly too high

[dense violet]

that's what the sink is for

[sterile blade]

If it's overflowing, is it needed? ^^

[dense violet]

a simple way to approach sushi trains

[cunning glade]

so ty cuz ig im stupid

[dense violet]

send exactly what you need to the station drop off and none will get sunk

[knotty bane]

well, if you sink all of the items from that load then you basically arent able to use that train to deliver the overflow to another station

[cunning glade]

well cuz on past playthrough like making sure each station only got the right stuff was a pain in some spots

i wanna sushi belt my computers

[dense violet]

simply fill a platform with the right parts per min 🙂

[knotty bane]

this sounds like way more work than just having 2 stations 😭

[sterile blade]

That is correct, you can't rely on "bakcpressure" as sushi don't like to stop flowing

[dense violet]

so, while you're going up the tiers you're kinda in a tutorial learning things, but the entire design philosophy of this game is constant production and consumption

you can very easily control how many items per min are getting onto a platform

this is what clocking is for

[cunning glade]

but with 2520 quickwire 1080 rubber and 720 circuit boards sushi belt dont really be possible i think

[knotty bane]

well i mean yes but then that train is now dedicated to that loop only and cant be used to deliver the inputs to other places

[dense violet]

you basically always want trains to go A to B because you will murder your throughput on it otherwise

[cunning glade]

i think we just do a 3 high logstic floor for it

[dense violet]

trains already don't have great throughput per train

you'd have to be moving very little items per min on each platform

[cunning glade]

wym by this cuz im gonna be moving some 4000 rubber a min thru trains

[sterile blade]

Depends on how you like to set things up ^^
Eg: one line of circuit board assemblers and separate production lines for their inputs
Vs
Multiple (smaller, possibly blueprintable) lines of assemblers together with their input production lines

[knotty bane]

ig i just have to have 2 stations

not great considering how many recipes need more than 4 input/outputs

[dense violet]

the longer the trip and the more stops the less you can easily manage and it becomes a pain to manage

if you keep trains going from A to B only it's a LOT easier to manage

[hybrid nymph]

Well clearly you're doing it wrong, because trains always work for me, sounds like you don't know what you're doing

[dense violet]

especially higher throughput needs

[knotty bane]

satisfactory plus not great for distributed factories

maybe i should just have a mega factory

[dense violet]

can you have trains stop at many stations? go back and forth to various spots?
sure.
But it's so much more work for no real benefit.

[cunning glade]

i see but i can have a few stations that refill a good amount of trains that go a-b?

cuz thats kinda my plan

[dense violet]

wdym?

[knotty bane]

ig if anyone else is interested in similar theres this reddit post that shares a solution for multi item trains but it requires some backflipping and sacrificing of throughput to make it work without sinking a bunch of resources https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1g80i2p/how_to_build_multiitem_train_stations/

[cunning glade]

uhh basically i have about 6400 rubber split between 2 stations that i plan too just have multiple trains taking from and its like triple buffered

i cant wait for 1200 belts

i hate how late they are

30 nuclear pasta a min with 780 belts yippie

[elfin idol]

nvm my tests with fsr didnt actually mean anything as im on dx11

ill try on 12

[dense violet]

I mean if you have 2 stations moving 6400 to a couple different spots all you need is enough platforms?

[scenic timber]

So turns out it was likely buggy upgrading from Mk. 1 to Mk. 2. Pretty much just re-laid them all and it works totally fine now -_-

[dense violet]

sometimes, especially if you've put junctions directly onto pipes, you'll have hidden sections of lower mk pipe

much like when you put spliters/mergers on top of existing belts

I'd guess you deleted such a section

[scenic timber]

Perhaps, but I was keeping a pretty close eye on them and didn't see any Mk. 1 stuff. The texture is quite different.

[dense violet]

I mean tiny segments get created.

sometimes a few cm

[scenic timber]

Perhaps, but I would have seen that deconstructing them. I didn't do a filter/multi deconstruct, just one segment at a time.

[cursive crane]

When you remove junctions they weld back together

So that small section is infinetely harder to spot than you think

[elfin idol]

seems fine, stuttering seems slightly worse on dx12 but honestly i think its just my memory speed more than anything else. like i stutter regardless of whether i have the graphics tweaks on or not lol

[cursive crane]

Best way to do it is a complete rebuild, and learn from the mistake, build junctions/splitters first, then attach logistics to them.

[scenic timber]

Ahh, I see what you're getting at. I don't think that's the case, because I laid the junctions first rather than snapped them to existing pipes. But there might have been something happening like that behind the scenes.

[surreal rose]

how to avoid spaghettification of my conveyors?

[cursive crane]

Its always possible with larger builds lmao

[dense violet]

mostly plan out factories a few steps at a time

[cursive crane]

Add logistics floors to hide them, or use planned breaks where you dip them up/down/around things on purpose

[surreal rose]

i mean even with straight mode they start going in random directions

[cursive crane]

Usually thinking "whats the straightest path from x to y" results in more spaghetti

But also, utilize stackable conveyor towers. Really underrated

[scenic timber]

Inputs going one way, outputs going the opposite way gets you expandable designs. And don't be afraid to use conveyors to move stuff up to ceiling.

[surreal rose]

i use them when i have very thin passage between machines

[dense violet]

that only tend sto happen if you have things off the foundations

[leaden turret]

call it artisanal noodle belts

[hybrid nymph]

try to keep the organized, you'll get better at it as you get the hang of things

[surreal rose]

let me send quick ss and you'll see the hell of a curse that is

[cursive crane]

Day ??? Of asking coffee stain to add a toggle to switch the regular conveyor poles for the stackables to allow longer/easier building logistics lines with stackables
@void gorge ples i beg you

[surreal rose]

#screenshots message

[surreal rose]

as you can see it started straight

[tall lantern]

use the QA site for suggestions

[cursive crane]

No

[surreal rose]

ended up being ultimate spaghetti even with constant use of straight mode

[tall lantern]

then don't expect it to happen ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cursive crane]

Did I say I did?

[normal orbit]

if they do, it means you placed junctions directly on the pipe and the game doesnt actually bisect the pipe correctly. It can sometimes work fine, but more often than not cause flow issues. ideally, you should delete the pipe after bisecting it and put a new pipe in. or just place junctions first then lay the pipe.

[tall lantern]

would be silly to ask for it if you didn't, even if you are asking the wrong person

[dense violet]

yeah you strated off at angles which will make it all wobbly

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> will Jason be using the jason rig to vtube as himself?

[surreal rose]

#screenshots message doesn't looks like it has any angle

[acoustic cobalt]

I passed the exam where’s my prize

[fervent crypt]

random question from a dumby french part 1 :

What does "mfs" means ?

[late glade]

“Motherfuckers” afaik

[dense violet]

likely Modular Frames

[late glade]

Nvmd me

[fervent crypt]

oh i tought it means "my friends"

[normal orbit]

lol, could use mf'ers for any part tbh :D

[cursive crane]

Im def using Modular Frames from now on

[late glade]

Instagram doesn’t do my understanding of abbreviations any good

[late glade]

Ong

[leaden turret]

@void gorge Fans

[toxic lichen]

fr

[smoky flame]

If I'm on a vehicle, it doesn't remove fog of war as I explore the map, why is that 🙁

[elfin idol]

weird, I assume it’s something to do with the fact your character probably “despawns” internally when you enter the vehicle, so the game doesnt process your character actually being where the vehicle is

likely easily fixable though!

as in from a dev standpoint

[late glade]

If I play w/ a friend, one of us stands on the car and the other one drives
Kinda weird but it works

[elfin idol]

I’d just open a ticket and they will probably fix it for 1.2

[terse mason]

this game is amazing

[hybrid nymph]

yes it is amazing

[sterile blade]

That is the second most wholesome thing I read today

[sterile blade]

Does nothing at all get unveiled?
Depending on where you are, there could be terrain higher up blocking you from uncovering the area (you can't uncover map that is higher than your location)

[acoustic cobalt]

Just started my first mega factory which is just a big oil/fuel gen factory wish me luck currently making 60 refineries

[smoky flame]

It could be that there's a delay with fog of war being removed compared to if I explore on foot, I know this happens because I go to a place on vehicle, the fog of war stays black, and I exit the vehicle, and suddenly the fog of war is removed for my surroundings

[hallow cosmos]

hey im new and want to make a hypertube Cannon but i cant figure it out

[ornate saffron]

YouTube has some pretty easy guides.

We all build it once.

For me I only did it once. Its a vomit rocket for me

[late glade]

That’s not a delay, you can see that if you drive out far enough into the fog and exit the vehicle there will be a ring around you => it’s as if you just spawned there

[dense violet]

find a youtube tutorial for the update you're on 🙂

[ornate saffron]

Woke to 5 more inches of snow. I'm ready for spring

I'm the only one at work today though. And everything is done. So hopefully this means I can get my phase 3 factory online

[hybrid nymph]

I just fixed my keyboard

[late glade]

One of my keyboards got water damage, so it’s now time for the good old office keyboard

[hybrid nymph]

go MSI, ASUS, or Corsair

My shift key was sticking

okay off to bed

I need to wake up at 10AM tomorrow and it's 4:38

MSI sure is resiliant

I spilled wine on my keyboard and it survived!!

10/10 product

[scenic mirage]

how do you spill wine on your keyboard

[leaden turret]

probably the same way I spilled cider on my keyboard

[fluid sapphire]

do ya'll keep your drinks between you and your keyboard or what

[scenic mirage]

yall be drinking at your computers? like alcoholic drinks??

[late glade]

Not if I’m alone, but if I have someone over and it just so happens that we talked about something on the pc and I turn it on. Then yes

[simple pebble]

Best of luck bud, I hate refineries but I do find the logistics for those fun to plan out

[unkempt blade]

of course I do, it's the only place I don't swing my arms around so they don't get knocked over

[late glade]

I wish

[jagged nymph]

i spilt dr pepper on my keyboard once

[late glade]

Mine died after some cola

Pretty sad, now I need to get a new base

Switches and caps are still standing strong as is

[ornate saffron]

Im a sentient wacky waving inflatable arm flailing man.

Ive spilt many of liquid.

[fluid sapphire]

very large factory =/= megafactory

[fluid sapphire]

i keep mine just out of reach so its physically impossible to swing at

[late glade]

Only thing I have that I would declare to be a mega factory is some crazy 30 smth output computer, hmf and turbo motors in one factory
Crazy thing but idk if my friend still has that world

[fluid sapphire]

like 30 of each or what

[tall lantern]

that just sounds like a slightly scaled up regular factory

[fluid sapphire]

yeah

[late glade]

More of the rest

[late glade]

Probably, yeah

[fluid sapphire]

not uncommon to group a few things together, even at that scale though, not quite a megafactory

[late glade]

But I really don’t remember, it’s been over a year

[fluid sapphire]

i dont think its the size alone that makes it, but the sheer number of different products being produced at effectively the same spot

sounds fun on paper until you hit the logistical nightmares and fps drops

[acoustic cobalt]

You need something to get through the headaches lmaoo

[fluid sapphire]

and i already get drops in my normal setups

[acoustic cobalt]

Thank you sir

[scenic mirage]

you have a headache so drink literal poison... alone... at your desk

[acoustic cobalt]

At this current stage it’s a mega factory

[acoustic cobalt]

Well duh

[fluid sapphire]

what being made in it?

[acoustic cobalt]

Power and the byproducts of making power

[tall lantern]

so... a power plant

[acoustic cobalt]

Yeah!

[woeful meadow]

Morning everyone, I made a smelting blueprint for Iron and Copper, but when I place the Iron or the Copper Blueprint, both have the Iron Smelting recipe equipt. Do I have to change it every time I place these blueprints?

[weak bloom]

I would either not select the recipe in the blueprint or save it twice once for iron once for copper

[woeful meadow]

I did save them in diffrent types

[weak bloom]

You can also Ctrl+c and Ctrl+v the settings between all the machines easily enough

[late glade]

It’s usually saved, that’s prob a bug of some sorts

[scenic mirage]

you can middle click and itll copy it all'

[normal orbit]

middle mouse click to copy machines also copy recipe, clockspeed and color

[woeful meadow]

Fixed it, my god

for some reason it didint save the diffrent types of recepies

[glacial drum]

I think i got halfway through my 6k wire/min factory yesterday

before gettin lazy and switching to re4r. Hoping to finish it today

Man I got through the whole 80 refineries thing then saw for each line i’d need.. 80 constructors..

[zenith pecan]

I thought my wire factory that feeds only the motor plant was crazy enough at 4320pm.

[scenic mirage]

wait til you get to phase 5 😉

[glacial drum]

Well it is. However this is only for a static number so I’d argue you’re the crazier one

I need 1,014,300 wire.

[zenith pecan]

Me? Crazier? , what do you mean.

[glacial drum]

Meh just makin jokes nothing against you mate

I’m making 1 TW of power storage so I’ll need a hell of a lot of materials

The plan is to make factories that can produce the needed materials within 5~ hours

[zenith pecan]

Three large blocks fed by an equally large foundry two biomes away, and all I get is 150 motors.

[glacial drum]

The wire one being the longest to spin up I decided to make it first

I think my biggest frustration with it was my failure to make all the rows of constructors even with my blueprint. I can easily solve that though by changing the print for them

I plan to do it all without over clocking.

[zenith pecan]

My power stations support tower has 7776 power stores in it, slightly pointless but I built it.

[glacial drum]

I have.. let’s see

Well I can solve this with quick division

1080

Atleast 1080 yea

I have 19,000 of 50k needed concrete

[zenith pecan]

The power station itself rendered the power stores redundant, I only built it for the hell of it.

[glacial drum]

My max consumption is around 100GW rn so a TW would fuel me for 10 hours give or take. It’s less of a needed thing more a for fun.

I’ll be surprised if I even can make it. My Ps5 already froze when I went afk for 5 min making the original power storage area.

Due to the animation of 500 batteries I presume

[zenith pecan]

I get 1.1tw generation, more than the max discharge of the power stores combined.

[glacial drum]

What do you use for power? Last I checked half the damn maps oil is used in your spire project.

I plan to finally do something with nuclear power once I finish making the 3 factories

[zenith pecan]

The spire project uses all of the oil there.

[glacial drum]

By the time I finish I’ll have spent long enough to finish building the materials for the 10k storages

[zenith pecan]

Rocket fuel at the blue crater due to nearby nitrogen.

[glacial drum]

All that makes 1.1TW? wtf kind of alt recipes are you using

[fluid sapphire]

i though power storage had an unlimited discharge rate

[glacial drum]

It does.

[normal orbit]

they do

[zenith pecan]

Nitro rocket and a shed load of oil.

[glacial drum]

Last I remembered there was only 1 ng node nearby. Probably misremembering though.

[fluid sapphire]

that animation is proper scuffed, i get very poor fps near my 8000 power storages

[glacial drum]

I know my RF is using most of a ng node and I’m only making 162GW

[zenith pecan]

You can search my user name for power, you'll see the size of the towers, they are visible from any point on the map.

[fluid sapphire]

not to be that guy but we already have a short form for nitrogen

[zenith pecan]

Explains why my pc nearly blew up back on early access, I had 32,000 power stores at one point before rolling back to an earlier save to "demolish" it.

[glacial drum]

I’ve thought of using the blue crater for power but I settled on making an arms factory there. I may dismantle it eventually though. Or perhaps I can use any excess materials there instead. However, I’m using most of the nearby sulfur so it would be a definite problem.

I think I may make a good set of storage bins for all my arms and then just manual craft if I ever need more

Well- manually load machines not hand craft.

[normal orbit]

blue crater is generally considered best for power, since you have all materials and in large quantities there. spire coast and golden coast also do, but not in same quantity

[zenith pecan]

Spire coast got eaten by plastic production.

[toxic lichen]

just pool all the resources from all 3
Ez pz

[normal orbit]

could make three power plants in varying sizes. iirc golden cost can handle like 0.75 of a pure node to rocket fuel, mainly due to sulfur limitation. spire coast can do around 1.5 due to N2 limitation. and blue crater can do around 2.25-2.5 pure nodes worth, but i usually see people do just 2x600

[unkempt blade]

Madness! You need to stay hydrated by having it in reach!

[normal orbit]

you can bypass those limits with logistics tho, so have at it :p

[glacial drum]

My plant is situated on the spire coast? I believe that’s what the left coast is called to more knowledgeable peeps. It makes 162GW I need to dismantle my FMF factory to properly use all the materials, though..

[normal orbit]

spire coast is north, golden coast is west edge

[unkempt blade]

why do you consider making FMF to not be a proper use of materials?

[zenith pecan]

I'm considering one oil node at the gold coast for ammo.

[unkempt blade]

that's so much ammo!

are you just running around firing into the air the whole time?

[zenith pecan]

Ficsits arsenal of freedom!

I do more blasting than shooting.

[normal orbit]

Fused Modular frames, sheesh, gonna need like 60-ish/min of those to make pressure cubes for pasta and instant cells :p

[ornate saffron]

What im hearing is that i need to plan out my nuclear when I unlock fused frames lol

[zenith pecan]

I'll be diverting fuxed frames towards sing cell production

[zenith pecan]

You won't like making that many unless you sloop production to the gills.

[normal orbit]

you dont have to use the instant cell recipe, i just like it cuz more power and skips a step :p you do need a lot of nuclear pasta to do the ficsonium refinement tho

[zenith bear]

Howdy folks

Idek what you’re talking about. I’m only on phase 3 and things are already complicated 😅

[scenic mirage]

is compacted coal only good for saving a tiny bit of coal?

like if im making black powder or smth

[normal orbit]

its less saving coal and more make more power with adding sulfur

[fluid sapphire]

fine black powder is the single most useless alt in the game

just kidding, thats actually biocoal and charcoal

fine black powder gets number 3 spot

[scenic mirage]

itd be nice if petroleum coke had more uses

[zenith bear]

Oh yeah, how do alt recipes work? I got one from one of the crashed drop pods and it scanned and then nothing changed

[reef basin]

how is saving coal useless?

[swift turret]

turning my game to retalitory made me realize how useless weapons factory is

[reef basin]

it's a separate recipe you have to select

[normal orbit]

can use it for power, make steel make aluminium, make circuit boards, make diamonds, increase yeild of copper and caterium and make turbo fuel. that not enough? :p

[zenith bear]

Like in the menu of the assembler/constructor?

[reef basin]

yeah

[zenith bear]

Gotcha

[normal orbit]

iirc i think it even says "alternative:" before the alt recipes

[reef basin]

most of them, yeah

[zenith bear]

And I just kinda need to dig around to find them?

[reef basin]

you can scan for them iirc

[scenic mirage]

you dont have to select them 🙂 you can leave it in the mam and you can keep scanning hard drives

[normal orbit]

find hard drives at crash sites, chuck em in the mam and pray to the rng gods :p

[reef basin]

that's totally not what the user was asking about, and not what I was talking about

[zenith bear]

I scanned them already. It told me I got an alt recipe

I just don’t know how to use it/find out what it is

[scenic mirage]

my b misread

[zenith bear]

No worries

[normal orbit]

theres a second tab in the mam with scanned drives

you usually have 2 options to choose, with another option to rescan (reroll) the recipes

[zenith bear]

Ah ok. Thanks

[scenic mirage]

^ in the 2nd tab you can have the scanned hard drives and itll show where you can use it like this
#screenshots message

[zenith bear]

That makes more sense

I appreciate the help

[scenic mirage]

ofc, and yeah if you dont like a recipe or smth you get in the hard drive you can just leave it. hard drives pick 2 recipes from your available pool of recipes. that way you can just scan future drives to pick exactly what you want

[normal orbit]

theres also more than enough harddrives to find to get all the alt recipes, so its not a big deal if you accidentally pick something

[scenic mirage]

i personally have all the recipes "unlocked" in the 2nd tab and just pick what i need when i need it. i like to have all the recipes "unlocked" before unlocking more items that can have alt recipes

ye its just preference 🙂

[reef basin]

for new players I'd definitely recommend to pick one of them and start experimenting

[normal orbit]

yeah, honeslt best way to learn is just to try diffrent things

[glacial drum]

Less improper- more it’s an older factory that could be remade to be much more efficient and I could build it closer to my nuclear pasta so it would be less transporting.

[dusky vortex]

I feel like there should be an achievement (or at least a sarcastic comment from ada) for somehow managing to die while inside a hypertube

[ornate saffron]

we are all just tubes man.

[proven snow]

Does Poison hurt you in the tubes?

[ornate saffron]

Im a little johnny come late.

But i view All recipes as just tools. you pick the one you need for the job you have.

Take stock on resources then pick the recipes rto match the logistics you are willing to do

[ornate saffron]

yes\

[proven snow]

Makes sense. A 100 clusterbombs strapped to your chest won't kill you but poison will

Unless the bomb thing has been changed

[ornate saffron]

lol no clue if it has changed.

but its you vs enviroment so i thinks its spot on lol

[toxic lichen]

how does one achieve this

[proven snow]

Have a buddy throw clusterbombs at you, go in a hypertube, then have your buddy detonate them

[ornate saffron]

not knowing how is understandable. As i to am a solo gamer

<@&387163995947270144> we got more scams

#screenshots message

[weak bloom]

if I'm doing a full 300 pipe of turbofuel to fuel generators, is it fine to just do one big manifold or do I want to split it up more "evenly"? e.g. should I have like 4 lines of 10 generators out of the 300 pipe, or 8 lines of 5 generators out of the 300 pipe, etc?
I know for belts it doesn't really matter because it'll fill eventually, dunno if it matters for fluids

[ornate saffron]

this is just personal thoughts

How did you get 300 in one pipe?

likely piping serveral refineries together ya?

[weak bloom]

16 refineries is 300, yeah

[ornate saffron]

So I always like to keep it simple. You have to branch it off to fuel the generators anyways. so why manifold it together.

It makes it harder to trouble shoot any issues

so i always do smaller runs for example in this case i would make three lines of 100. this way line 1 can fill completely while laying down the infrustructure for line 2 (pipes get max flow rate when full) then you can turn on line one while buildingg line 2. when line to is complete you can see if line one is working properly and trouble shoot if needed

[weak bloom]

hmmm yeah good point. I think I saw the general rule to always make sure pipes are full and applied that both to throughput and capacity.

[zenith pecan]

Same reason my spire project is 23 oil platforms instead of one huge monolithic refinery.

[weak bloom]

I guess as long as the pipe is full it doesn't have to run at 300 or 600

[ornate saffron]

i pulled 100 out of thin air. You gotta make sure your number work out and such ^_^

[ornate saffron]

correct and it leaves room in the pipe if something funky happens

[zenith pecan]

Those platforms run on pure magic, no actual materials to start, just recycle recipes 🤣

[ornate saffron]

i treat the max flow limits as a theoretical limit where possible

[weak bloom]

sounds good, and now it is time for me to figure out where to place 24 refineries xD I have this delusion of trying to preserve the "lake" part of crater lake for as long as possible so I think I'll just build a massive tower upwards lol

[ornate saffron]

you can also go off the side of the contentant.

[weak bloom]

that's where the power plant is

[ornate saffron]

ah

[weak bloom]

it also could be where the refineries are but yeah

[ornate saffron]

you can go below pretty far too if you dont wana see them. @zenith pecan is famous for his under the map tunnel system

[coral marsh]

Anyone else mass produced super position oscillators and neural quantum processors?

[ornate saffron]

/kinda

I did a 10/min of every phase part run

[weak bloom]

I think I'm gonna build a platform under the power plant and fill it with batteries, though honestly I'm not sure what batteries are really useful for....? maybe I'm too optimistic but I don't really see this power plant failing in any way unless I like, accidentally dismantle an oil pipeline lol

[coral marsh]

I kinda wanna make 30/min super oscillators and 12/min neural's

[ornate saffron]

then do it. ^_^ self goals are the best goals

[coral marsh]

Currently working on a blueprint (thanks so much, blueprint mod, this 10x10x10 is OP)

[ornate saffron]

some ppl love Storage. I do not

I prefer power priority switches which removes all fears of blowing a fuse

i can understand evening out geothermal and phase 5 machines with storage. But i just make sure my max consumption is above my use

[ornate saffron]

i know the BP mod exists.

I was bitchin that a build i had was 6 blueprints and someone put it together into one for me way back when lol

[coral marsh]

Some SCIM blueprints are extremely illegal

I have one in my save rn that is, (and im not kidding here), 3 particle accelerators in the exact same area

[night sail]

Hi

[coral marsh]

They're very illegally clipped and because of it, the blueprints lag out my game like crazy

[coral marsh]

Hewo

[ornate saffron]

[unkempt blade]

it's more fun to just make your own anyway 🙂

[coral marsh]

Yup

Im gonna get rid of the community Bp's I have

[ornate saffron]

I use the BP but i like to make the bp's fresh everyrun. and style them as i go... or at least try to lol

[unkempt blade]

I have a few I've carried over from previous saves but my BP library keeps expanding

A lot of the stuff I brought over from 1.0 and earlier mostly just needed minor tweaks to work with autoconnect

[ornate saffron]

I need to delete my backup it has to much from early acess i need to nuke that shit

[unkempt blade]

I've got a git repo for my BPs so they're all nice and versioned if I mess something up really badly 😆

[mortal ginkgo]

as long as you guys don't make this, I am happy: #screenshots message

it is atrocious, heretic, maddening, not cool, makes me unhappy, yes

I am surprised actually that its not on FICSIT foundations

[ornate saffron]

most ive done in one place was 480 clocked at 240% as i dont wana make over 1000 lol

[mortal ginkgo]

brotherman got 2200 there

[ornate saffron]

oh i saw lol

[mortal ginkgo]

he is a big dawg thats for sure

[ornate saffron]

i dont understant NOT having 1000's of power shards.

[normal orbit]

i made 840 fuel gens, but i think mine looks neater :p

[mortal ginkgo]

a more beautiful heresy is still heresy. Off you go to gulag

[normal orbit]

#math-and-meta message naw, i dont wanna :p

[unkempt blade]

I'm just not wild about biome-consuming monofactories. It's too much of individual things to decorate/make look decent and it just winds up being a factorio-esque grid of the same building

like 3-4 factories in there each making their own thing would be fun design projects for me instead of just a single layer

[zenith bear]

Does anyone know how many slugs there are on the map, and how many overclock shard things can be made from them?

[unkempt blade]

the wiki knows 🙂

[weak bloom]

I am producing 360 fuel out of 8 refineries, but I'm still on mk1 pipes. I need to feed the turbofuel refineries with this fuel.
since pipelines have no directionality can I just have one big manifold into all the turbofuel refineries fed by two pipes from either end of the fuel refinery line?
splitting 360 into the correct amount in two different pipes is more complicated than it's worth but I think it should work as long as I have the turbofuel refineries fed from opposite ends, right? because no point of the pipe should ever have more than 300

[zenith bear]

I shall venture to the wiki then

I’m just always worried I’ll accidentally delete some and never get them back

[unkempt blade]

Sorry for the non-answer, the wiki is just a great tool to get used to for questions like that 😄

[zenith bear]

All good

[normal orbit]

you can eventually make power shards in tier 9

[zenith bear]

Like without the slugs?

[ornate saffron]

yes but even before then my hub chest has several stacks and my d depot is full and i just started phase 3

[zenith bear]

I have way less lol

[ornate saffron]

collect at night. put through a constructer with soomersloop

[normal orbit]

yes without the sluggos

[zenith bear]

I think I just haven’t dedicated enough time to exploration. I haven’t even completed the somersloop tree in the MAM

I got one in there, and that’s it I think

[normal orbit]

time crystals, quartz and dark matter crystals

and some photonic matter i think

[zenith bear]

Idek what those are

[normal orbit]

tier 9 materials

aside the quartz

[zenith bear]

Ah that makes sense

[ornate saffron]

try complete mam stuff asap it REALLY helps

when my save file gets around 5mb my laptop goes

no thankyou im good. dont run that lol

then i can no longer play when im not home. Makes me sad

[clear aspen]

Hello

[reef basin]

You can make infinite shards

[zenith bear]

Yeah I’ve been prioritizing it

Also, is there a section on this server for finding people to do co-op worlds with?

I’ve been looking for someone to try multiplayer with

[green fiber]

#1201555265942724758 ?

[zenith bear]

Thanks!

I’ll stop asking stupid questions soon, I promise lol

[normal orbit]

there are 596 blue slugs, 389 yellow and 257 purple slugs, which would become (596-1)*2 + (389-1)*4+ (257-1)*10 = 5302 power shards

[ornate saffron]

bring them all.... just look first. Maybe read #welcome lol

[reef basin]

why -1

[normal orbit]

use one for the mam

[zenith bear]

So there are plenty of shards then

[zenith bear]

Apparently I skimmed everything too fast

Bad puns are a bannable offense?

[normal orbit]

dunno about plenty :p

[reef basin]

there's infinite 🙂

[zenith bear]

I mean before they can be infinitely produced

[reef basin]

they can from T1

[zenith bear]

They can?

[reef basin]

yes, doggos can bring you slugs

[normal orbit]

need to be in T9

oh right, but thats rare as heck

[reef basin]

eh, not that rare, especially if you get a lof of them

[zenith bear]

Are there multiple lizard doggos?

[normal orbit]

theres a lot of em

especially in their cavern

[ornate saffron]

ya, you can pen them in too and farm them

there is a wiki article on it

[zenith bear]

I’m shocked at how little I know about this game

I’ve had it for years