satisfactory

[west jackal]

oh you mean 3 different power plants, not 3 generators

[fiery pewter]

Yes

[west jackal]

mk2 miners and mk3 belts take a bit of steel to get going

mk2 miners required encased beams pipes and beams

[fiery pewter]

You would want to see my starter base then

I am accounting for that

Wait I have it somewhere

#screenshots message here

[west jackal]

looks very nice

[fiery pewter]

That bad boy will even automate smart plating and modular frames

[west jackal]

i also need more power, i only have 3600MW of production (with 300MW of biomass buffer) but the factory im working on takes 1900MW and i only have around 1600 available

[hybrid nymph]

I put together s small little modpack that I call vanilla +

[fiery pewter]

Noice

[fiery pewter]

That sucks

More power needed indeed

[west jackal]

eh, itll be fine i can make fuel plants soon

thatll be... interesting... to get running

[fiery pewter]

I want to build enough power storage to keep my pre-oil power factory running for at least 3 hours

[west jackal]

well sure, im going to do that as well. just havent gotten around to it yet

[hybrid nymph]

the mods for Vanilla Plus are
Faster manual crafting redux
vanilla upgrades
glass fluid buffer
inventory slots 150
awesome points x100
balanced craftable power shards
power towers plus
fuel chainsaw
elevator icon pack
awesome artifacts
void spheres
enhanced depot
infinite zoop
remove empty dimensional stacks
better power storage

[fiery pewter]

You forgot one

[hybrid nymph]

which one?

[fiery pewter]

There's a mod that adds a small little machine that takes anything that can be crafted into solid biomass, and instantly converts it to solid biomass, no matter how much you put in

Well, need at least 4 wood for example

Very handy small little thingy

But forgor name

[hybrid nymph]

oh okay

[fiery pewter]

Uhh

My friend isn't in here, darn

[hybrid nymph]

Andre Aquila makes most of the mods here

[fiery pewter]

True

[hybrid nymph]

one of this more popular mods is the starter coal generator mod that unlocks at tier 2

[fiery pewter]

Refined power

[hybrid nymph]

and doesn't require water, but only generates 37.5 MW

[fiery pewter]

Wait what

I didn't hear of that one yet

Personally a bigger fan of refined power

[gloomy tusk]

didnt realise how much trouble it would cause for slooping my particle accelerators 🥹

[nocturne nebula]

how many different blueprint designers do we have these days and how large are they pls?

[fiery pewter]

3

4×4, 5×5 and 6×6

[nocturne nebula]

wow, small increase

[fiery pewter]

But very useful

Just have to be more creative

[hybrid nymph]

I like refined power, but those wind turbines can be super busted, they're super cheap to make and they generate like 50 MW each and you can place down like 100 of them

[fiery pewter]

I use refined power for the coal

Takes the same as base game

[gloomy tusk]

wind turbines? new update or mods?

[fiery pewter]

Doubles in power output

[hybrid nymph]

mods

[west jackal]

i added 5GW in batteries, so it should give me enough to run the factory long enough to get the stuff for fuel gens

[fiery pewter]

Your batteries still need ti charge though

[west jackal]

I know, they are charging

[hybrid nymph]

they take about an hour to charge

[west jackal]

er, it said 2.5 hrs for the grid to charge

but i think i can just run the computer factory if i turn off my steel plant (industrial depots full so it would be okay) or the motor factory. Next project is dpf factory

[hybrid nymph]

there is a mod that adds in the Ender Tank from Modded Minecraft

it's one of the aquila mods

[last mason]

anyone got a blueprint or can explain a 1 - 7 beltbalancer?

[mystic crag]

You want a 7 lane split?

[hybrid nymph]

Is you name a reference to King Ghidorah?

[mystic crag]

Main line into a 3 split, first split would then go into another 3 way split, 2nd split would go into another 3 way split, 3rd would also go into a 3 way split, 3rd lane 3 split would have 2 lanes merge into main line again while the 3rd lane in the 3rd split would go where ever. Idk what yoiu meant though tbh.

[mystic crag]

yeah

[hybrid nymph]

Nice he's my favorite kaiju, a giant space dragon

A little something about me, I LOVE pocket watches

[lethal wolf]

Someone wanna help me a bit in my shenanigans? I am in more of the early game, phase 2 of the space elevator, and I am getting a bit entagled in steel production.

[celest finch]

id love to!

[lethal wolf]

Thx

[swift turret]

@fiery pewter #screenshots message Am I tripping or does that say you're storing over 400 pipes per minute?

[fiery pewter]

No you're not

The numbers are still kinda jank

Working on it

[swift turret]

yeah thats jank, move some back to the beams 😭

[fiery pewter]

Imma balance it out eventually by just adding steel beam and pipe constructors

Hopefully

That'll fix it all

I cannot wait to build this factory 💀

[bitter crow]

Well, my last playthru i spend 180 hours to finish phase 2 (yeah, i know) and 40 for this playthru so 220

Are they really that useful? I perceive them as quite worthless tbh

[bitter crow]

I overcomplicated everything and rebuilt ALOT

[sinful talon]

they add in about 550 mw which at early game really help plus 10% extra power so if you got something else making 500 mw early game that builds up to about 1100 mw

plus you can easily open up all electrical required drop pods.

plus if your trying to max out power in the game which I think its 13 tw you can get, they are a must have

[normal orbit]

13tw seems a bit high considering using all uranium is like 1.5tw

[celest finch]

uhh you guys working on a world?

[tall lantern]

feel like you should be checking out #1201555265942724758

[celest finch]

i am! but none is answering

[sinful talon]

you have to glitch out somersloops to get that

use the item duplication trick for that

[jagged nymph]

five. hundred. terrawatts

[tall lantern]

if you're duplicating items you can just get any amount of power

[normal orbit]

if you're just cheating in somersloops, then you can have infinite power since alien augments stack

[tall lantern]

not a particularly useful metric

[normal orbit]

its a pointless metric then

[leaden turret]

if you're cheating, may as well turn off power requirements and just build a factory

[sinful talon]

exactly but even playing legit those power augmenters are noice especially early game before you get the blueprints to duplicate the items

[tall lantern]

why wait, if you're cheating anyway, just cheat them in at the start

[sinful talon]

im not cheating this game. I got everything legit dood

[tall lantern]

"duplicating" and "playing legit" are not compatible lol

[leaden turret]

roleplaying a trust fund baby

[tall lantern]

don't call me baby

[sinful talon]

spent the first 4 hrs getting the items from drop pods to get my first one

[leaden turret]

I spy with my little eye, new CSS QA hire

[normal orbit]

quick maffs, all uranium make around 1.5tw and uses something like 3200 sulfur. assume using all the other sulfur on the map for nitro rocket fuel, you get 700--ish GW. so without any sloops, you're looking at probably 2.5tw max adding in coal power

you kinda need to use some sloops for the full nuclear chain in the end cause theres not really enough sam to get everything to convert plutonium waste to ficsonium

[jagged nymph]

mews?

[normal orbit]

could prob squeeze out a lil more power by just making diluted fuel with the remaining oil nodes too

[jagged nymph]

how do you know

whos ben

and why is he around so much

what

cause satisfactory is infact, the best game ever

[zenith pecan]

Marv haha, that is the only person I have ever and will ever block long term and keep that way for good, others tend to just get a 60 minute time out because I dislike "blocked message" spam.

Make what bigger?, I've only recently swept the dunes clean of stuff to use in following some slightly ambitious factories.

Yeah I'm bad at typing in the morning, moar coffee needed!

I got someone else tunnelling 😄 #design-and-architecture message 👍

Once I get back home I'll continue with random particle accelerators in the dunes to deal with all those coal nodes, adding a small steel refinery because 4800 from the blue crater isn't enough and get motors, stators, steel beams & pipes production reconstructed and work on 600 circuit boards, so lots to keep me entertained over the weekend.

Oh yeah, new fused frames factory because my current one sits on the sand feeding singularity cell production.

The motor plan came in to sharp relief recently after I built the setup needed to make the wire it calls for, #design-and-architecture message , it's somewhat larger than I anticipated just for a basic.

192 constructors, I figured it was best to build four floors otherwise it would have sprawled like my old save did.

I wish power shards were sinkable.

[bitter crow]

Will i need to construct everything requiring oil under one roof or is it reasonable to transport

[reef basin]

I don't have to do that, he did that for me

[zenith pecan]

Well, making power shards would also make the dark matter residue I need for my sing setup instead of me directly burning sam on its own for it, and offer unlimited shards.

For now I just used the jankiest system ever for my shards.

[leaden turret]

while you could plumb oil, you can also barrel up oil for transport.

personally, I found that some plastic-based recipes were better suited to other locations, as there a low/zero-plastic alt recipes that can be transitioned to in other locations rather than building separate facilities when said recipes become available.

[bitter crow]

Oh i see, is it more efficient to transport liquids packaged?

[leaden turret]

less about efficiency and more about avoiding issues with the plumbing system 😛

[bitter crow]

Oh i see

[leaden turret]

do bear in mind that there will be changes to fluid transport in 1.2

which lands on experimental in march

[reef basin]

it's completely fine to do either

[sterile blade]

From the perspective of vehicle traffic, moving packaged stuff is better (more fluid per trip)

[reef basin]

personally I wouldn't bother packaging stuff, while you get more fluid per trip moved, you also need more cars to bring the canisters back (though it's less of an issue with trucks). But you also need to do the whole packaging/unpackaging thing, too much effort for not much gain imo

[sterile blade]

That's why I was just mentioning traffic ^^

[oblique aspen]

personally i just think tanker cars on trains look really cool, thats all the reason for me 😛

[sterile blade]

BTW, depending on the system, you can use the same cars for both full and empty packages (eg: adding one station to load empty packages after having unloaded the fluid)

[leaden turret]

also ignore anyone who says [spongebob text] you gotta ship containers back [/end spongebob text]; you don't, it's just more efficient to when dealing with oil-derived containers, since the alternative would be to constantly be producing canisters, sucking away oil from power or other production lines. that line of thinking also ignores the non-oil-based canister alt recipes.

[reef basin]

yeah but adding more stations increases round trip time which decreases throughput 🙂 (it's not much but it's enough)

[bitter crow]

Thank you for this info!!

[reef basin]

if you ship containers back, you quite literally don't have to produce containers, that's just wrong

[sterile blade]

Oh yeah, but much better than needing twice the trains or cars (double the cars mean double the spacing for signals)

[leaden turret]

also specifically, there's an alt that directly consumes packaged nitrogen gas, so you don't need to unpack it, so nothing to ship back 😅

[reef basin]

(and "efficient" depends on what kind of efficiency you talk about)

[zenith pecan]

I loaded my save, looked at the clock and ended up noping out haha, I have to head for work soon.

[zenith pecan]

I get that 🙁

[normal orbit]

not really. you can have signals close enough that a train can occupy two blocks

[reef basin]

I mean... you don't need to space signals so close to each other anyway. And if you do, longer trains don't mean that you have to space signals further apart

but still I'd say fluid cars are the way to go unless you enjoy making packaging setups

[zenith pecan]

@sterile blade that spire refinery problem was caused my the belts & splitters etc being so close that items were literally porting between them, once I made the helix bundle more spread out, but ultimately the same, it evened out and worked as advertised.

The spire coast now is fully developed, there are 0 resources in the area now for me to exploit, maybe I'll build a display building there or something.

[sterile blade]

I don't get what you mean here
I know a train can take multiple blocks, but that can be problematic in intersections so it's often convenient to space signals (at least in some parts) to accommodate the biggest train there is within one block

[warm burrow]

why do i only have 2 hand slots after completing the onboarding process (tier 0)

[leaden turret]

only have two hands

[warm burrow]

but when you skip it you get 3

[normal orbit]

a train can occupy two blocks and it will just work fine. If you're getting gridlocks in intersections its mainly to do with the intersection being too small and/or you're not using path signals to allow for more than one train per block. Spacing out signals more along the track wont make an badly designed intersection suddenly start working.

[leaden turret]

something something keep going something something unlock them later

[zenith pecan]

I shut down the rail experiment in the dunes while I was wiping the place clean, I can't get just the loco itself to linger more than 2 seconds, I don't want transport rail stations to grow past their minimum 🙁

[sterile blade]

I'm not even talking about that being a magical fix, just more of a "good rule of thumb" to follow, kinda like not putting more than 4 cars behind one locomotive (sure, one can put more, but then they have to consider inclines etc...)

[normal orbit]

if you need more than 5 car you can just add another engine at the end to keep the 1:4 ratio for max speed

[zenith pecan]

Just don't use 1 loco with 400 rail cars, it maxes out at 13 kilometres per hours when empty 🤣

[sterile blade]

I know... That's what I was referring to with "not putting more that 4 cars behind one locomotive"

[normal orbit]

the only real downside of having signals too close is that if you have a lot of trains, thruput can suffer some

having a train occupy 1 or 2 blocks doesnt make much diffrence, but if you're suddenly having a train take up 5+ blocks, then you're gonna run into thruput issues

[leaden turret]

you know it's really annoying that I keep forgetting to ask a story/lore question on the dev streams then remember said question two days later

<@&370483737957236737> tired: DDR Machine
wired: Nintendo Power Glove

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message

bruh

[ornate saffron]

Rng did you dirty

[reef basin]

why do people keep all the alts in mam lol
just pick one and move on

also pure alu ingot kinda meh

[unkempt blade]

what's wrong with 2 good choices?

[jagged nymph]

why does it make 12000?

[leaden turret]

I spy with my little eye, ben live coding

creative time lizard doggo alpaca skins maybe?

[compact plume]

Does anyone know if there is a 5to5 load balancer tutorial somewhere? That is way too complex to me xD

[reef basin]

why do you need it would be my first question

[compact plume]

Aluminium scraps, 5.4k with mk6 belts

[reef basin]

hook each belt to the amount of machines it can feed

no reason to balance at all

[scenic mirage]

takes it out of the rng pool

[reef basin]

do you need to take 30 recipes out of the pool?

[scenic mirage]

and this way i can usually just pick whatever recipe i need

saves me time on searching for hard drives

[tall lantern]

because people have preferred recipes (whether you agree with that or not)

[compact plume]

But I like balancing 😁

I guess thats fair tho, I also thought of underclocking and adding more machines to have the same amount on each belt from the start

[reef basin]

don't tell me that none of the recipes listed in there are "preferred" by them

[tall lantern]

"take the one you'd use" also logically applies in reverse, "don't take the ones you wouldn't"

[scenic mirage]

exactly why would i take it if i dont need it

[ornate saffron]

If some belts have to much for the machines just use a smart splitter to overflow then merge where needed

[reef basin]

yeah, but again, don't tell me they wouldn't use any of those recipes

[scenic mirage]

then id take it, when i need it 😉

[reef basin]

why not take it now?

[scenic mirage]

bc i dont have plans on using it now

i am just one man, i can only do so much at a time

[reef basin]

if you know you're gonna use it, no reason to keep it in the pool

[scenic mirage]

but i dont know if im gonna use it

🤯

[reef basin]

you don't know if you're gonna use recycled plastic, but you're at alu?

[scenic mirage]

i dont plan my entire game at once

i just do a little bit at a time, whatever i feel like

[reef basin]

oil is before alu

[scenic mirage]

yes?

doesnt mean i can't go back to oil later on

[reef basin]

so I'm not asking to plan entire game, I'm asking about things you already planned

[unkempt blade]

Then why worry so much about what to pick? Just take whatever is fun and go vibe build it

[scenic mirage]

i dont have anything with recycled plastic planned rn

[scenic mirage]

exactly, i dont know what part of that greeny doesnt understand 😭

[glacial drum]

Personal preference yea. For example I had coated cable in my bank for 200 hours or so considering I never would’ve used it. Good to just get it out of the pool so I don’t have to deal with it

[unkempt blade]

No I'm basically agreeing with greeny

[scenic mirage]

huh

[unkempt blade]

I make a choice immediately when I get a drive and if I don't care I flip a coin and let fate decide

[glacial drum]

If you ever do need it too you can just plop a mam down and grab it lickety split

[reef basin]

I don't talk about "keeping two recipes that I know I won't use in the pool"

I'm talking about "keeping 50 recipes I will probably use"

[scenic mirage]

why would i pick flexible framework if im not gonna use it

or tempered caterium ingot

[reef basin]

unpicked recipes cannot be used
picked recipes give you options
you may find yourself using all the recipes in one way or another at some point

[scenic mirage]

if i pick one, then the other could come up in a future hard drive

when im searching for something else

[reef basin]

which is much better than having to choose one or another if you want both

[unkempt blade]

why not use the rescan if you know you don't like either choice?

[scenic mirage]

and i can always go pick it later if i want it

[glacial drum]

Ah. Then the only reason I could see would be purely gunning for a specific recipe while planning for a factory using some of em. No you’ve got a point for sure.

[scenic mirage]

why not just leave it?

the game was designed this way for a reason

so you have the choice do it it the way you want to

[unkempt blade]

because there's a chance it turns into a recipe you want and the downside is it still blocks two recipes you don't

[reef basin]

yeah, the only reason to store recipes is if you're looking for one specific recipe. But that's not what majority of people are doing

[scenic mirage]

then if im really desperate then i can save, rescan, and reload until i get what i want

[unkempt blade]

this rationale is too sweaty for me but I'm glad you're enjoying the game 🙂

[glacial drum]

You’re tellin me people are leaving them with rescans? Oh heck no! Scan them mofos before leaving em!

[scenic mirage]

whats sweaty ab leaving a reipce available? 😭

[reef basin]

if you want to save-scum recipes, at that point just get them with AGS or save editing lol

[scenic mirage]

if i dont need it rn, its available for me to pick later? if i need it now, i pick it. if i literally won't ever use it, i just leave it so i dont have to worry ab it in future drives

[reef basin]

you're most likely gonna get all or most recipes anyway, so unless you really don't ever want to use a given recipe, just pick one (even at random). Only if there's two "for sure never" recipes, then keep it in there

[scenic mirage]

...

i didnt realize playing the game you want to would be so controversial

if you dont wanna do it the way i do it, then dont 😭

but it makes no sense to get this upset over the way i choose to play

[reef basin]

I'm not upset?

[glacial drum]

See I saw it as them being upset at first too but I think they’re both being genuine

[reef basin]

I'm just giving recommendations

[glacial drum]

Not everyone has the same thought process so it sounds like he just wanted to hear your thoughts

[stone quiver]

I store recipes until I got nitro fuel

[reef basin]

I don't do RF or TF 😛

[unkempt blade]

I think there are good reasons to do it differently but he clearly wants to play this way for some reason so 🤷‍♂️

[scenic mirage]

after i explained repeatedly why i dont want to do it that way

[glacial drum]

Ugh that reminds me I gotta check if my RF plant is working later when I’m off

[limpid iron]

bell curve of what fuel people prefer

[unkempt blade]

It's a sandbox game so people are allowed to make questionable choices for any or no logical reason

[reef basin]

normal fuel is enough fuel

[stone quiver]

But also, you don't need a recipe, why choose one? You may choose later. I had a lot of recipes late game where I was like "oh crap this basic ore or wire recipe is actually goated"

[limpid iron]

im gonna make a pic for it hold on

[glacial drum]

Does anyone even use coated cable

[reef basin]

yes

[glacial drum]

BOOOO!

[scenic mirage]

exactly like if you need it, its there in the mam to pick. i just pick the recipe i need when i come across a need to use it

[glacial drum]

Man once 1.2 comes out I’ll be in a pickle

So many games/updates hitting soon.

[reef basin]

because having a recipe pushes you towards experimenting with them and actually finding out how useful they can be in certain situations. You don't get that if they are laying in MAM

[scenic mirage]

🤷‍♂️ to each their own

[stone quiver]

Them laying in the MAM did that for me so...

[glacial drum]

You can see their recipe even when in the MAM. I can see either side here.

[unkempt blade]

There are a lot of uncurious players who want a more linear playthrough. I assume that's why they did the reroll thing in the first place

[scenic mirage]

i also have a full time job and other real life responsibilities, i cant just sit at my computer and experiment different recipes all day

[stone quiver]

It wasn't hard to check my catalog when I built a factory and be like "oh this one is useful now!"

[reef basin]

I mean for those you can just do alt-less playthrough 😉

[limpid iron]

#satisfactory-memes message

[unkempt blade]

or use AGS as you mentioned or SCIM prior to AGS

[glacial drum]

My beloved alt recipes have kept me from using nitric or sulfuric acid for 250+ hours

[reef basin]

yeah and if it's after you built the factory, it's a bit late 😛

[scenic mirage]

i plan everything in sf modeler so i get to pick what recipe to use for each step and i calculate what needs less iron or less copper or whatever. thats the most "experimenting" i can do, and then i just build in an area that has the materials needed

[unkempt blade]

So you don't look ahead to pick recipes but you do look ahead in modeler?

[fiery pewter]

Does anyone use the leached ingot recipes?

[reef basin]

yes

[fiery pewter]

Huh

Interesting

I wanna do that too

[unkempt blade]

if my dice say I'm using it I use it

[fiery pewter]

Lmao

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message

i take based on need 🤷‍♂️

[reef basin]

at least one of them gives you most ingots per ore of that type, can't remember which one now

[stone quiver]

Sulfur rare enough as it is, I don't use it for ingots much

[reef basin]

sulfur is very common, unless you do RF/TF

[stone quiver]

It very much isn't

[limpid iron]

isnt it more so inconvenient for what you mostly need it for (for me its inconveniently far from where I make compacted coal)

[reef basin]

almost nothing in the game needs larger amounts of sulfur, apart from the mentioned RF/TF

[jagged nymph]

rf/tf?

[reef basin]

rocket/turbo fuel

[jagged nymph]

ah

[limpid iron]

yeah turbo fuel eats up a lot of sulfur

[jagged nymph]

mhm

[reef basin]

one of many reasons why I don't bother with it

(maybe very small production for some jetpack fuel)

[glacial drum]

It’s the third rarest resource at 10,800 on the map I believe

[reef basin]

that's just relative rarity and doesn't take usefulness into account

[glacial drum]

But it goes a long way so it’s sort of

what’s the word..

[reef basin]

f.e. uranium is rarest resource on the map and yet there's way more than you'll ever need

[glacial drum]

Yea

Numbers wise I can see it’s “rarity” but make sure to take into account relativity is my point ig

I’m using near 1/4 of it on RF

[reef basin]

for sure there's not many nodes out there
but there's also not many uses (again, apart from TF/RF)

[glacial drum]

1/6*

Ah that reminds me. Once my RF plant is confirmed fully working I can either use the compact coal to make TF to also burn off or just.. continue sinking it

I wonder what numbers of items I can get if I did a least efficient recipe run

[stone quiver]

There's no really inefficient recipes

"Efficient" ones have a cost of additional processing, power, and space.

[jagged nymph]

well some of them use more resources for less output

[stone quiver]

Which people conveniently forget in their calculation

[glacial drum]

Yes. I’m talking about using the alt recipes/normal ones that require the most input for the least output.

[stone quiver]

Ok, well apply a constraint to your space or your energy and suddenly "new best recipe"

[jagged nymph]

but thats an entirely different challenge

[stone quiver]

You're just maximizing for yield in that assessment

[reef basin]

you can't really calculate generic "efficiency" of a recipe anyway
(you can't even calculate specific efficiency, like "resource efficiency", contrary to what many people would want you to believe)

[jagged nymph]

why cant you? just see which recipe uses the most raw materials for 1 output item

[stone quiver]

I agree, every recipe has a tradeoff of logistics, footprint, availability, and output among other things. That's kind of the idea

[glacial drum]

You’d also have to take into account the area you’re building at.

[reef basin]

see, at that point you're talking about "recipe chain" efficiency, not single recipe efficiency

other recipes in the chain affect how much effect on a given goal a recipe can have

[jagged nymph]

then use the recipe chains that use the most input

[glacial drum]

I was just mentioning general chain inefficiency with the least resource saving recipes.

[reef basin]

yeah, but that's no longer about "resource efficient recipes", but about "resource efficient chains"

[jagged nymph]

whats wrong with that?

[reef basin]

nothing. But read my initial message again to see my point

you can't even calculate specific efficiency, like "resource efficiency", contrary to what many people would want you to believe

keyword "specific"

[jagged nymph]

but why cant you ?

[dense violet]

because it relies on every other recipe involved?

[jagged nymph]

yes but were talking about recipe chains

[reef basin]

because you can't say "a recipe is 34% more resource efficient"

[reef basin]

my point was about recipes tho?

[jagged nymph]

then why bring it up again when talking about chains now

[reef basin]

we're not?

I was the one who brough chains in it, and it was in relation to my message about recipe efficiency

[jagged nymph]

cause the challenge was to be the most resource inneficient and see how much output you would be able to get. That implies that all of your factories would take in the most raw input for the least output, not specifically calculating the efficiency of recipes relative to one another

[reef basin]

and yet you (and/or others) mentioned "efficient recipe" many times in the convo

which was my point

[jagged nymph]

did i mention that? if i did i probably meant something else

[reef basin]

might not have been you specifically, but it was mentioned. I wasn't really replying to you directly either, just contributing to the conversation

[stone quiver]

Anyone set up a factory cart plant?

[leaden turret]

pro: no fuel costs
con: one inventory slot

[stone quiver]

Not a con if you have enough carts

[fickle ermine]

Hey so i just got to water and pipes (phase 2) can you do manifold with pipes? or will it not work, its for a coal plant btw

[normal orbit]

you can, just keep in mind the max flow rate of pipes

[unkempt blade]

You can only make them in an equipment shop so no plant from that meaning. I do use them a lot for logistics stuff

[sick falcon]

the way you be the most inefficient is sink the earliest possible resource you can on every node

[harsh moat]

Hi. why wouldnt conveyor lift snap to vertical splitter/merger that's already existing? I can build out from one splitter but it wont snap to a splitter that is above it

[normal orbit]

you want to place a lift between a splitter and a merger already on another lift?

[harsh moat]

no i have this already built factory with 5 constructors on top of another and a belt from underneath feeds the lifts. One lift has 5 constructors to feed. The problem is top 2 weren't properly snapped in the blueprint or something broke when i saved the game and i cant properly snap them to fix them.
Like below where C is constructor, spl is splitter and L is lift. Top 2 arent receiving the raw material. i wanted to delete lift from under C4 to fix it but it wont attach. It wont snap even in other places

C5 - SPL
L
C4 - SPL
L
C3 - SPL
L
C2 - SPL
L
C1 - SPL

[normal orbit]

uh, you'd place a lift from C1 to C5, then add the splitters between

[harsh moat]

i had it done like that in the BP but then it broke when building it

[night sail]

Do I need aluminium bars for anything other than fused modular frames because I am currently making 400pm of it so shall turn all of that into casing and sheets or should I keep some aside as well ?

[glacial drum]

When I’ve ran into this issue it’s usually solvable by raising/lowering the one above

I attribute it to just being too low usually.. Could be wrong

[normal orbit]

prob not spaced the constructors on same height between them yea

[tall lantern]

potentially later, but smarter to just make what you need now and worry about later stuff later

[normal orbit]

#screenshots message havnt had any issues with lifts, but i do make sure they're all evenly spaced

[white dawn]

I generally max out a bauxite node making ingots and direct all the ingots to the sink. As other factories need aluminum products, I'll use specific machines to export what's needed, and over time the amount of ingots being sunk shrinks. That way I'm not guessing at what production ratios I'll end up wanting from the ingots

[night sail]

Initially I did plan to like make 600 ingots use 200 for casing and 200 for sheets and save 200 for fused frame alt but then I realised I don't have mark5 belts

[ornate saffron]

the wiki would know best

[harsh moat]

you mean the construtor?

[normal orbit]

you might wanna use aluminium ingots to make ficsite trigons

[glacial drum]

They’re way off of that if they’ve not got mk 5 belts

[normal orbit]

since it uses least amount of sam, but you can use caterium too if you fancy

[glacial drum]

Yes try to evenly space every part out. That should eliminate issues

If that doesn’t work it would help to see a photo of the issue.

[harsh moat]

@glacial drum @normal orbit

#screenshots message

The problem is that the iron bars dont go further, even though it looks like its properly snapped
its not constructor being spaced unevenly

[glacial drum]

Have you tried rebuilding the splitter entirely?

[normal orbit]

#screenshots message you can see the splitter on the lift doesnt line up to the constructor. so your spacing between constructors is slightly off

[glacial drum]

That doesn’t make sense for why the bars don’t go up though.

Either way yes the lift doesn’t appear to be the right height..

I’d say try rebuilding the entire lift. If you can’t get the splitters to line up with the constructors you may need to remake the constructors at a different height unfortunately.

[harsh moat]

i'm not sure what you mean #screenshots message

the splitter is on the right level checked by deleting the belt between splitter and constructor

When i delete all parts of the delivery feed and build again it works

[glacial drum]

Well damn you’re right. My eyes must be off it’s too damb early for this lol. Still though, I’d say rebuild the entire lift. Maybe that’ll help. If not I’d say try making a post in #1038092680493801533

[glacial drum]

Yea sometimes the game just bugs out with lifts and belts it’s weird. A rebuild usually helps.

[harsh moat]

#screenshots message foudn the culprit - there were 2 lifts after removign the splitters somehow

[normal orbit]

ah, yea that happens if you delete the blueprint and rebuild it, the lifts for some reason stay behind, and you can end up with two lifts ontop of each other causing issues

[glacial drum]

It may have been from removing and adding a part to the lift then removing and replacing the entire thing. When you change anything in a placed blueprint and delete said blueprint it only deletes the parts originally in the blueprint.

Good to hear you got it working!

[harsh moat]

Unfortunately the output is fucked too xD

[glacial drum]

Welp. Go through the usual. Check for any extra lifts, mergers facing the right way, belts missing,

[ornate saffron]

A short length of belt hiding inside a splitter bottlenecksyour entire production.

This is the bane of the pioneer

[tall lantern]

only if you snap splitters onto existing belts and then go upgrading belts

neither of which really need to be done

[harsh moat]

yeah but even if i have any extra lifts then i have eto rebuild whole output as i cannot snap lifts between the splitters/mergers

[glacial drum]

You can place mergers on lifts

[ornate saffron]

I know this after 1000 hours but its not default knowledge lol

I now place all my splitters then connect them

Before id place a long conveyor then put my splitter on top using ctrl to snap them in line with machines

[glacial drum]

You can also make a theoretically infinitely high lift by using the floor hole trick

[harsh moat]

i have the mergers already, but there are extra lifts built there like you saw on the screenshot, even if i delete all lifts i can't use already placed mergers for some reason, i have to delete all belts/mergers/lifts then make a lift, then place mergers on it then connect to constructors

[glacial drum]

Could edit the original blueprint and replace them.

[harsh moat]

id rather not touch it that way - not after i have every % set up

and recipe chosen

[glacial drum]

Then it would seem you will have to replace the lift. Unfortunate but needed

[limber moss]

Possibly a silly question to ask after over 80 hours and not earlier lol: How does one have a resource for both building structures and further processing? Do I make 2 different factories (one for me, the other for further processing), make more of the resource to split some of it into a container or simply grab some from the perfectly efficient machines whenever I need it?

[reef basin]

each factory makes things to storage from raw resoruces

you do not make items for factory use, the factories will make them themselves

[limber moss]

But what if I i.e. need encased industrial beams for Mk4 belts, but they're also needed for another item?

[tall lantern]

then that's one set for personal use, so you have a factory for that, and then the "another item" has its own factory that makes its own encased beams

[reef basin]

the factory for that item will make the beams itself

[white dawn]

Basically it's "don't be afraid to build the same thing in multiple locations"

[limber moss]

Alrighty

[white dawn]

Doing so also lets you play around with alt recipes much more easily, since the next factory might be near different nodes, etc

[limber moss]

True

[harsh moat]

Do also have issue that hotbard randomly stops working?

[white dawn]

(See also: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency, which is what greeny and I are both dancing around. :D Just one way to organize your factories, of course! In the end it's up to you. Some folks continue to prefer centralization, etc)

[limber moss]

And I assume that whenever I want to build a new item, i.e. for space elevator project, instead of using already existing factories I should simply build a completely new factory that will manufacture the said item from the beginning (raw resources)?

[limber moss]

Will definitely check it out, thanks ^^

[dreamy nest]

Is up to your preferences

[ornate saffron]

If you like. It really depends on choices you have made.

My modular motor factory is 1km away from my smart plates. So I just move the smart plates to the other facility via factory cart

[reef basin]

yeah, in the end you'll use same amount of machines anyway, so it's not a big difference, but it's much easier to logistically manage independent factories

[dreamy nest]

I have One mega factory that does a bunch of stuff

[limber moss]

Noted. Thank you all very much :3

[dreamy nest]

But I also have dedicated factories elsewhere on the map

[reef basin]

well if you have megafactory, you can't have dedicated factories on the map

"megafactory" means "all production in one place" 🙂

but I guess you meant "big factory" 🙂

[dreamy nest]

I meant mega factory as in.... Crafts most of the stuff

Yes, that's what I meant. Didn't realize mega factory was a defined term in the community

[reef basin]

np, happens

[tall lantern]

tbf I don't think I've ever seen anyone except greeny use that in that specific way

[normal orbit]

its not really. megafactory is just a huge factory. you can have several of them around the map

[reef basin]

and except many big youtubers I guess?

[dreamy nest]

Oh I don't want to start an argument 😂

[tall lantern]

well I don't watch them so I definitely haven't seen them say it 😁

[dreamy nest]

I haven't watched any YouTube of this game

Anyway, I have one large factory that crafts. What was at one point 100% of the things I could craft 😂

Pre nuclear

[ornate saffron]

What a mega factory is, is a common argument here lol.

You have no way of knowing that lol

[dreamy nest]

Yes I'm new to the discord lol

[bitter crow]

I see

[humble osprey]

how many dimentional storage do yall keep for concrete? i kept 4 but i still keep running out very quickly. i might need 10

[normal orbit]

I got 10 of concrete and quartz

Then like 4 for iron plates and reinforced and steel beams

Rest like 1 or 2

Oh like 4 encased industrial beams too since they get used a lot when I build lights with the billboards

[white dawn]

I think I had maybe 8 on my 1.0 save?

Or maybe 6. Whatever it was was pretty good; I had some blueprints which could outpace replenishment but not by a lot

[normal orbit]

I can drain having 10 when building my train lines. But just pausing for 10 secs and I could keep going

[ornate saffron]

Four is usually good.

But for me each one of those depots are fed by a industrial storage. That storage is fed 240/min of concrete

[sturdy pivot]

When making train intersections, is setting every signal to block the only way to prevent trains from slowing down when approaching?

[humble osprey]

no

u can put another path before the path

signal

[normal orbit]

Path signals can be chained

[sturdy pivot]

Wouldn’t that just cause the train to slow down in a different place? Or delay other trains?

[ornate saffron]

Didn't think about that. Good to know though.

Not tech I have yet needed

[ornate saffron]

Try it and let me know ^-^

[dull charm]

Does anyone know if you can remove the blueprint designation on a blueprint you build?

[normal orbit]

?

[dreamy nest]

You can remove the blueprint design machine yes

[stone quiver]

I mean using them to move material

[unkempt blade]

yeah they're great at moving stuff

[stone quiver]

1. I don't have much use for concrete

[ornate saffron]

Not sure what ou are trying to say.

The blueprinter uses parts from your inventory when you load a blueprint. When you clear it those items are put in the box. You net nothing

That being said there is bugs that allow you to duplicate items.

[stone quiver]

I'm talking about using them as goofy trucks

[unkempt blade]

they're great, go try them

if you need more throughput just add more carts

[stone quiver]

No conveyers. Just carts.

[normal orbit]

If you just want more of something. Load save into scim and just add it. Easier.

[ornate saffron]

You can just turn on advanced game options as well and use them to place items in your inventory

Lots of options

[harsh moat]

#screenshots message

The game wont allow me to change direction of the block signal unless it's on a place where rails meet, when its free placing it's always on same side.

[elfin smelt]

this is annoying indeed, but is easy to fix: place the wrong direction anyways so it'll "split" the rail, then you can put the signal on the correct direction

ofc you'll need to remove the first, wrong one

[normal orbit]

Can't say I've run into that . Scroll wheel has worked so far. But yes if that's the case, build it wrong first, place second correct then delete wrong one.

[stone quiver]

I wonder why we can't put splitters on independent conveyors without it aligning with the conveyor. I always have to build start to finish with conveyors I feel like

[normal orbit]

? You can place splitters on conveyors

[elfin smelt]

it's very weird, sometimes the scroll wheel refuses to change the direction, sometimes it does

[stone quiver]

Place a conveyor, going S-->N. Now imagine that I want one intersecting E---W, so the material goes E-->W--->NWS split I can't place a splitter on the S--->N line . I can only split with the intake from the S

I know the path I want the material to go, but rotate won't let me spin it

[normal orbit]

well no, if you placing it on an existing conveyor the direction is dictated by that conveyor

[spare prism]

Yea

[normal orbit]

also not sure i understand you, cause you're saying split, but it sounds like you wanna merge the e-w onto the s-n

[stone quiver]

I want the E--->W to merge onto the S---N but I want to build from end to start bc it's easier to trace

[normal orbit]

yes, so place a merger on the s-n line and attach the e-w line to it

[stone quiver]

But I want it to be a splitter.

Because it's going to branch more

[normal orbit]

a splitter cannot merge

[stone quiver]

It has one intake

[glacial drum]

Merge before the splitter then send into it.

[normal orbit]

yes, so you need a merger to merge the lines, you can split it after that

[stone quiver]

Ok... easy example. I have 3 machines I want to feed. I run conveyors back from their inputs to where they meet. I want a splitter here. I will put in the intake (let's say cables) after

I can't do this until I build the cable conveyor, split it, then put the 3 outputs on

[glacial drum]

Could build one splitter in the middle then place 3 belts into the 3

[normal orbit]

or just make a manifold at the machines

i think you're overthinking this

[glacial drum]

Belt purely to the middle one and then place a splitter onto that belt.

[stone quiver]

Its 3 machines in very different locations

[glacial drum]

Belt all 3 to a meeting point then belt the items into the splitter then add belts from the splitter to each belt

[normal orbit]

ok so just drag a belt to the source belt, place a splitter on it, and attach the belt to it

[stone quiver]

I'm just saying you can't build finish to start bc conveyor splitter forces the direction if you are over a conveyor . even though I know I'm connecting to the output on the splitter not the input

Maybe I have to snap it to the end, and not across the conveyor

[glacial drum]

You could with three machines. If you belt the middle machine to the input and split off that belt to meet the other 2 belts

[normal orbit]

you can build in any direction you like. also you dont have to place the splitters onto the belts, you can just place splitters first then add the belts to it

[glacial drum]

I think he specifically means placing them onto existing belts though.

Which yes you cannot place a splitter onto 3 meeting belts off of one of them. You’d have to place the splitter on 1/3 of them and then manually place the last few inches of belt to the outputs

[stone quiver]

Ok I drew it, one second. I mean I want to use the belt to align two elevators etc. so I can snap it perfect, which means I have to put the splitter across the conveyor

And that forced the direction

#screenshots message

Just wondering if there's anyway to snap the splitter in place and aligned without a conveyor , they seem to want to float without conveyors and not the right height

[normal orbit]

well theres nothing which can do two input two outputs like you drew

you have to use a splitter and a merger for that

but why dont you just drag belts from the inputs of each machine to where you want them to meet, then place a splitter there, connect the three to the outputs of the splitter then continue backwards from the splitters input

[frank lynx]

Watching this conversation unfold, this is where I think the crux of the matter is. I think he wants a unit that can split and merge. You have to merge and split separately. I could be misunderstanding though

[normal orbit]

and yes you can place splitters freely without a conveyor

[stone quiver]

I do that sort of piecemeal, I just have trouble aligning splitter and mergers without a conveyor to snap over

[frank lynx]

Are you building on foundation?

[stone quiver]

Underneath

Everything is ceiling mounted conveyors under the floor

[frank lynx]

Don't splitters and mergers snap underneath?

[normal orbit]

they do since 1.1 yes

[stone quiver]

I see... the game has a direction once the conveyor is down... if you overlap to the other side, it says "no deal Howie" since it already has a direction on the conveyor and the splitter can't rotate to accept it

[frank lynx]

I was about to say, i think before 1.1 i just built them 3 high on the foundation I was standing on until they reached the ceiling, then deleted the ones underneath

[stone quiver]

So if I want to build off the output with a splitter, I need to connect to the end, or just independently place the splitter

I guess I can nudge it into alignment ?

[frank lynx]

This used to piss me off so bad when dealing with vertical conveyors where I woudl forget to change the direction, snap a conveyor, run it all the way to somethign else, only to realize i had to delete what I had

[stone quiver]

Elevator direction oopsies get me too

[normal orbit]

you can freely place splitter without connecting it to anything, get the rotation you want in, then just connect belts to it

[frank lynx]

This is the preferred method of doing it IMO. You set up the splitters/mergers, then belt to it. Rarely do I put conveyor first then split unless i really don't car what somethign looks like

[stone quiver]

You don't run a conveyor across then do 5-6 splitters to manifold and snap to inputs?

[normal orbit]

no

[frank lynx]

No, never.

[normal orbit]

i place the splitters, then belt them

[stone quiver]

The splitter will snap to an input without a conveyor?

[normal orbit]

yes

[stone quiver]

Hmm I'll have to try again

[dreamy nest]

Yup

[stone quiver]

I do this method because it didnt

[frank lynx]

Bingo

[normal orbit]

you also get a line showing when they aligned

[stone quiver]

Yes I get the line when I snap it across the conveyor

[frank lynx]

Yeah but it's not nearly as accurate

[stone quiver]

And then it's proper height

[frank lynx]

And the closer you are, the higher the chance your belt won't actually snap despite the line

[stone quiver]

So when you're doing multiple heights, say I. Want to snap a splitter, but I'm 15 foundations off the ocean floor

You build 15 foundations up and build?

[normal orbit]

height makes no diffrence

[stone quiver]

I mean Z axis

[dull charm]

Thanks @dreamy nest . Not quite what I was thinking about. If you place a blueprint it still has a blueprint designation. That helps with removing blueprints entirely. Unfortunately it also prevents nudging blueprints lower on the blueprint designer.

[frank lynx]

That's how I do it, yes.

[stone quiver]

Hmm ok

[dreamy nest]

Sorry I misunderstood. I don't follow but I hope you get an answer soon

[frank lynx]

There could be a better way, but that's what I always did. For example, like coal power or plastic production

[stone quiver]

I mean height matters, say for a foundry manifold system where you are running two conveyors , one above the other

So one feeds off a ground splitter, one off one in the air with an elevator

[frank lynx]

Yeah, i would lay down the bottom layer, then id build 4m foundations and clip through everything, build my splitters, then delete the foundations

[stone quiver]

I've been using conveyors and spacers to preserve all my heights

And then snapping and building off them with mergers splits etc

[normal orbit]

#screenshots message

no belts splitters placed, guiding lines shown

[stone quiver]

And that works underneath too?

[normal orbit]

yes

as you can see in the second pic

[stone quiver]

To an elevator under the floor, I can just float a splitter 10m away and it'll grab the foundation ?

[normal orbit]

prob wont snap, but it'll show the line

showing they aligned

[stone quiver]

I see, new building technique unlocked

Sorry not trying to be a stickler. A lot of things you don't stumble upon and get stuck in one way of fixing it

[normal orbit]

if you're building on or below foundations the height will always be same, with the one exception of the wallhole conveoyrs who wont be on same height underneath

[stone quiver]

Yeah wallholes suck. I wish they were like floor holes

[normal orbit]

there are wallholes like that now

[stone quiver]

I bought everything and only have the full wall with 1-3 slots?

Is it in logistics?

[normal orbit]

yes

[quasi warren]

Yeah

[stone quiver]

But for anything more than "snap to foundation" distance, do I nudge it or just snap to a conveyor basically?

[normal orbit]

you can drag a belt out and use that as a guide, just dont place splitter on the belt

[stone quiver]

Yeah I don't use a logistic floor so much as I just build underneath

Somethings go above , mostly raw stuff below

[bold heron]

any idea when we can expect the next dev video ?

[glacial drum]

Today I shall remake my christmas factory with the hope of outputting 20/min of every ficsmas item.

Hopefully assuming I don’t touch the factory at all after I set my date and time on my system to normal the buildings stay and don’t lose recipes..

[normal orbit]

the gift trees stop making gifts, otherwise it'll run

[glacial drum]

How rude of them.

[ornate saffron]

Tuesday the 24th

@elfin idol

Totally normal phase 1 tbh

#screenshots message

[bold heron]

ok

[elfin idol]

is it? im kinda new so idk if this is satire or not o-o

[ornate saffron]

Absolutely

Looks like mine lol

[elfin idol]

placing that grid of belts took way longer than id like to admit

i aligned everything

like some ocd freak

perfectly

then made a hugely ugly factory because tbh i just wanted to use it for phase 1 parts then ima rebuild it nice

[ornate saffron]

I feel ya, i try to minimize my in game time by planning in spreadsheets and note books before I build.

The decor is made on the fly but the actually math and machines are all decided before hand

[solid hinge]

am i missing something, is there any benefit to using industrial storage containers over just stacking regular ones other than the fact that they share inventory?

[elfin idol]

https://tenor.com/view/flushed-gif-23088083

[toxic lichen]

single inventory is nice e'-e'

but keeps both inputs and outputs

think its the shared inventory that makes it
worth it

[elfin idol]

i may or may not be 15 hours in and have just done phase 1

tbh i built the elevator at about 10-11 hours

[toxic lichen]

have fun
eat some slugs
say hi to the cats
go to some of the rocks that make the air feel fuzzy
eat a fart rock

be free

[normal orbit]

you dont have a timer, so take your time and enjoy yourself

[ornate saffron]

Two inputs on one side and two outputs on the other with a shared storage isNice.

[elfin idol]

yes this is the plan

i may have also spent a stupid amount of time setting my game up for raytracing on my hardware

because pretty

[toxic lichen]

valid

[elfin idol]

i manually did it

it took forever, i found the best settings

one by one

mostly had to put them in engine.ini

only annoying part is something overwrites my antialiasing method to 2, so i have to manually set it to 4 (TSR) every time i load. it literally says it was last set by "UNKNOWN"

[normal orbit]

its overriden by fsr/dlss/etc

[elfin idol]

it shouldnt be as i set it in engine.ini, scalability groups are applied before (and for all other settings this holds true) and if it is overwritten by something which i did have happen before it says that it was last set by scalability or something along those lines in the console. i have a feeling it could just be my nvidia app tbf

[normal orbit]

if you use dlss, you cannot change antialias method, it will use whatever dlss uses

[elfin idol]

oh nah i dont use dlss anyway

[stone quiver]

I plan the buildings I need, but I don't do the numbers. 100% uptime and matching input/output seems unnecessary to me

[elfin idol]

ill put my settings in

#satisfactory-experimental

[nocturne nebula]

Guys I’ve been loving this game since … literally day 1 of early access. Been my fav ever game since then.

[elfin idol]

i like matching input/output but i just do it in my head, at least so far o-o

likely not gonna be so easy soon

[sinful sparrow]

how do i feed output water from my aluminum factory back into it? ive heard of vip junctions but i dont know what they are

[reef basin]

do not merge fresh and byproduct water

f.e. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1460381544173801616/image.png?ex=6999778c&is=6998260c&hm=04d5097de58cb0e692882ba6967b9bf59bc71f3499a00c05ab87f4b723bcbc94&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=685&height=968

[sinful sparrow]

what do you reccomend i do with my byproduct water?

let me look at this rq

[dreamy nest]

Do you have the wet concrete recipe

[sinful sparrow]

yes

[reef basin]

loop it back, just not merge

[dreamy nest]

Make that and sink it

Is the advice I was given

[reef basin]

yeah but that's kinda wasteful

[sinful sparrow]

not even with a vip junction?

[reef basin]

there's so many other things you can do with it

[ornate saffron]

I keep my concrete production on the low side until phase four so I can put that aluminum waste water to use

[reef basin]

no reason to do vip junctions, they are kinda magic and this is pretty much stable

[sinful sparrow]

ok

[gentle olive]

So my ground in my world seems to have issues being solid how do I go about reporting this bug

[sonic sandal]

can sombody help me find somersloops?

[tall lantern]

go explore with the object scanner, or just look at the map on SCIM if you really cba to find 'em yourself

[ornate saffron]

Check scim link pined in #math-and-meta

[stone quiver]

With some recipes it's insane. It's like least common denominator of primes.

[tall lantern]

clocking exists

getting 100% uptime on things isn't all that hard in practice

[stone quiver]

It's not 100% uptime

It's 100% in/out matching

[tall lantern]

and how is that different? if you're not matching, then one of those won't be at 100%

[stone quiver]

Because you can overbuild

With 100% uptime

Just in time building is insane with some recipes

[tall lantern]

either you're making too much so your producers stall, or you're not making enough and the consumers stall

[normal orbit]

vip junction is just feeding in the fresh water from above. lower pipes have priority when merging. You can also loop it and place two valves. one to make sure fresh water dont enter the ouput pipe looping back, and a second valve to limit the input to be the diffrence between in and out.

[elfin idol]

i imagine, i already got annoyed making smartplating o-o i think im cooked

[tall lantern]

it's safer just to not mix the fresh and waste water in the first place, just feed them into two separate groups of machines

[stone quiver]

I just don't worry about hitting some magical # of output because it just consists of copying my working cell a dozen times which is just a dozen more connections

[ornate saffron]

Youll gather tricks and tips like Pokémon. Then pick and choose what you need and when.

You got this

[stone quiver]

Setup phase 5 with some novel combination of recipes, decorate, try my next challenge

[elfin idol]

i saw something where if you place a water buffer high up and fill it you can trick the game into thinking thats the max level of the water in all ur pipes and you dont have to worry at all about pumps like at all lol

personally i wouldnt do it cuz for me its half the fun struggling but yeah

idk if they patched that though

[ornate saffron]

Well you gotta pump the water that high first. Then the water buffers add weirdness to the system.

[normal orbit]

you can, but if often ends up a mess cause you need to connect that buffer to every single pipe carrying that fluid.

[elfin idol]

yeah ofc

[ornate saffron]

I just pump it higher then my input lol

[stone quiver]

I'm currently trying to trick my vertical pipes into filling. I'm convinced you just have to trick the system into a steady state depending on its layout

[normal orbit]

theres no "trick" just pump it up

[ornate saffron]

Personal fluid rules

Fill inputs from above.

Fill pipes completely

Keep it simple stupid

[stone quiver]

Magical fluid mechanics will be solved

Oh it's pumped up... 100s of m

But the last bit of water doesn't wanna go. But we're gonna make it

Has anyone taken a pipe junction and looped it to itself (saying you have input/output then other 2 loop itself) Does it do anything useful lol

[normal orbit]

no

[ornate saffron]

Dude the other day I made 6 identical fluid setups.

Extractor pipes pumped 30m up into machines. Nice "n" bend before machines.

Work 5 out of 6 times. 1 system refused to work.

I deleted it all including refineries and Extractor rebuild no change. Hours later I gave up

Next day I turn on the game at work and it just worked

Diffrent computer

So there is some funky stuff lol

[gentle olive]

Render distance makes pumps work better?

[ornate saffron]

My only theory is that there was something in temporary memory breaking it

[gentle olive]

had issues with a line all night when my buddy was building and had to manually restart the whole line bc it just stopped for no reason

[normal orbit]

check cpu usage if its hitting 100%

could explain some things i suppose

[stone quiver]

I slowly lowered my blender and am inching it up 1% at a time . So far I'm at a higher output than ever before. For no reason. I had in the past started the machine saturated with 50/6 water and full pipe. But this time I'm just slowly increasing output

It's maggggiiiccc

[gentle olive]

The fluid does what it wants you cannot command the fluid you can only pursuade it

[ornate saffron]

Not at all. My laptop (which worked) is a potato

Home I have a 5900x

I play at locked 60fps as I dont care about high frames

Just a weird thing

[stone quiver]

I feel like... if you extend your pipes past the last junction, it helps stabilize and I can't understand why

Like a T for the last machine instead of an L performs better, even if full

[gentle olive]

or just have a big dip right before it

[ornate saffron]

Loops help too. That can be a backlash issue. Im my case the water would get to the machines for 15-20 minutes then just refuse to go the full 30m height lol

Its all working now. Just some odd behavior

[stone quiver]

Water sloshing off a machine input that isn't full just confuses me. Water you reached the finish line. Go in.

[normal orbit]

can also place a pump before a manifold

[ornate saffron]

This is what I do

[stone quiver]

My pipe is about to be more pump than pipe

[green fiber]

Any valves?

[keen flame]

how can i play the 1.0 ver?

[ornate saffron]

I often build a "n" bend before the manifold. Pumping the fluid above the inputs. Then fill the inputs from above

[ornate saffron]

Never

[normal orbit]

why would you wanna play an old version?

[stone quiver]

Filling from above, not using full 600. These are all doable. But I like to play games on the highest difficulty. We will make the water go up and backwards and fill

[ornate saffron]

For the most part I got a handle on fluids. Sometimes they just give me a middle finger lol

[gentle olive]

Oh they most certainly love to give the finger

[keen flame]

its for a challenge

kinda

is there a way?

[green fiber]

SteamDB maybe

[tall lantern]

what differences between 1.0 and 1.1 are you trying to avoid?

[normal orbit]

not easily, you'd have to find some 1.0 download from somewhere, steam wont have an outdated version

[keen flame]

damn

[ornate saffron]

That autoconnect to powerfull

[tall lantern]

lol. also completely optional though, which is why I'm curious

I don't recall any major mechanic changes in 1.1 (though it's been a long time and I'm a forgetful guy)

curved belts/pipes, autoconnect, elevators, all things you can easily just not do

[gentle olive]

wdym by autoconnect

[stone quiver]

I don't even turn belts and pipes. Mergers and splitters to maintain clean transitions

Only do cute little turns when feeding a machine from one facing like 180 away from it

[vestal dome]

im so confused on how to make a good computer factory

[ornate saffron]

Blueprints have a autoconnect mode allowing pipes, rail, and belts to automatically connect between blueprints

[gentle olive]

oh I havent really messed with blueprints my homie and I just do as we need

thats nice to know tho

[dreamy nest]

How/where

Never heard of that

[ornate saffron]

#design-and-architecture message

its how i made this

[dreamy nest]

Ty

[elfin idol]

i have a very specific question, and i assume the answer is probably just that some of the current build meshes aren't compatible, but does anyone have any clue why lumen scene cards aren't generated for like most meshes in the game? ill attach a screenshot of lumen.visualize in #screenshots

[ornate saffron]

just toggle build modes while the blueprint is active for placement. one of the options is auto connect

[stone quiver]

Computer doesn't take much. What's the question?

[normal orbit]

lumen isnt officially supported, having changed settings in the ini file prob f'ed something up, you'd be better off just changing the settings in game, those will mostly work

[elfin idol]

nah it also messes it up on default, i think the meshes just arent compatible cuz as you say its not officially supported

i tried so many things

but no luck

[normal orbit]

whats confusing about it?

its just circuit boards + cables + plastic, unless you use one of the alts

[stone quiver]

Ohhh I just realized I was thinking super pc. Pc is even easier. Yeah it's like refinery, assembler, manufacturer done

[copper grail]

should I get wet concrete or fused quick wire from my hard drive

[normal orbit]

wet concrete prob more useful early on

[reef basin]

you should get what you want

all the recipes in the game are useful in one way or another

and you can get all of them anyway

if you don't know, just flip a coin, pick one and continue with the game 🙂

[normal orbit]

fused quickwire is nice when you need a metric f'load of it for nuclear, as an example :p

[copper grail]

I'm only tier 3 😐

[reef basin]

just flip a coin then

[stone quiver]

All of my and my friends concrete needs have been supplied by a single desert limestone since tier 1. It is the hardest working miner we have

[normal orbit]

you can use concrete to improve steel production, so having more of it can be helpful

tho refinery fatigue tends to hit pretty hard in phse 3/4 :p

[spice sandal]

I can’t make a looking for group so I’m putting it here: Making a new world with the most experienced players in the game. I have over 1000 hours and beaten this game multiple times but never made anything huge. If you want to be a part of the biggest factory. Join this group.

[tall lantern]

gonna have to wait til you can make a #1201555265942724758 post

[spice sandal]

It won’t let me post

[tall lantern]

gonna have to wait

[spice sandal]

Oh I gotta wait 6hrs

[stone quiver]

Gru meme

[spice sandal]

-_-

[stone quiver]

Make the worlds biggest truck distribution network

[sweet light]

Ehh.. Steam is having some weird problems

[stone quiver]

Has anyone made Mr bones wild ride yet?

[ornate saffron]

Ya, joining to use and abuse us is frowned upon.

Take us out for diner first

[cold sierra]

Is there a way to sort the Dimensional Depot list alphabetically for example ?

Or by quantity ?

[ornate saffron]

@elfin idol

Each machine has 3 different renders depending on distance. Looks like this is render 3. For the furthest

#screenshots message

[ornate saffron]

No way to sort. List is generated as you add a new item.

I use pins to tell me what is automated

[cold sierra]

Oh okay

[elfin idol]

it’s lumen visualization mode lolll

not actually in game rendering

[ornate saffron]

Ah

[elfin idol]

it’s a visualization of the cards generated to be used for lumen lighting basically

[ornate saffron]

I dont care about that stuff

Global illumination is good enough for me

[elfin idol]

my question was regarding the meshes that don’t get cards generated, which was answered with the valid point the game doesnt support it 😂

[elfin idol]

Tbh lumen still looks super good even with the buggy lumen scene cards, theyre not actually used all that much anyway

It did take a lot of tuning though lol

and I mean like probably around 15 hours of tweaking settings

I’m not joking, I’m sad, I got a bit hyper fixated I guess

[ornate saffron]

You could have pet so many lizard doggo in that time

[elfin idol]

they were the only thing I was using whilst I tweaked settings 😭 I’d go check on them to get my loot now and then 💀

[ornate saffron]

I ain't going to judge lol

What ever you like dude.

I spend more time planning factories in spreadsheets then playing the game

[indigo kiln]

I just realized I've been working in the same save for 80 hours it feels like two....

[elfin idol]

real

tbf now I have my settings that’s kinda it, I don’t think much is changing now so I’m just playing the game atm

obviously not like in game settings lol, this is in engine.ini, I put a large bit about it in #satisfactory-experimental (which I didn’t realise is the wrong place my bad)

[real wolf]

Its been a couple months since i last played satisfactory. Has anything changed

[ornate saffron]

1.1 brought crash site deconstruct, vertical splitters and mergers, blueprint autoconnect, and some there cool things

Belts got straight and curve build modes

[real wolf]

ooo

sounds fun

[ornate saffron]

Adds to quality of life

[real wolf]

ohh i just noticed im working on like a super fuel plant.. Oh no

[ornate saffron]

This Tuesday we will get further details about 1.2

[real wolf]

its 1.2 already?

wasnt it 1.0 like a couple weeks ago

[ornate saffron]

We get the announcement of it going to experimental branch date Tuesday lol

[ornate saffron]

Over a year

[real wolf]

what..

[ornate saffron]

September 9 2024 was 1.0

Console release was November 4 2025

[stone quiver]

I found one lizard doggo once. And it ran

Rarer than nitrogen

[zenith pecan]

Oh man, I've played this game for an age.

[real wolf]

the game looks the same when playing on medium vs high

[ornate saffron]

I play on high at home and my laptop

[real wolf]

i got 2.4k m3 of oil coming in.. oh noo

[stone quiver]

Someone went all in on the crater before planning

[real wolf]

No im in the desert

the one that is like the second spawn

[stone quiver]

Oil in the desert?

[real wolf]

im importing

[zenith pecan]

I went oil nuts recently, search discord for spire project, to see just how large scale.

[ornate saffron]

Rocky desert top left.

[stone quiver]

They need a new start zone. The pink jungle

[ornate saffron]

spawn is ontop of a Alpha

[stone quiver]

You get a factory cart and that's it

[real wolf]

#screenshots message i think theres enough concrete here to build a small city

[ornate saffron]

All concrete automated is infinite over time. ^-^

[hollow gyro]

Howdy folks - do nodes change locations with each game start? I'm looking at the interactive map on https://satisfactory-calculator.com/ and the nodes there don't match up to the nodes in my in-game map.

[reef basin]

no, nodes are fixed and haven't been changed for a long time

[stone quiver]

Infinite nodes are set.

[snow rune]

ahh, free at last

[hollow gyro]

Any particular reason I'd be seeing things differently? I have mods but none that randomize/shift nodes around.

[glacial drum]

3 hours later my christmas factory is done

Turns out I do not want to put in the work to make 20 stars and wreaths/min so they both got reduced

The worst part.. It’s not christmas colors..

[spare prism]

Does this game have a modded community?

[ornate saffron]

Yes!

Check #welcome for a link to the mod discord

[spare prism]

Thanks I thought it did lol

[ornate saffron]

I suggest reading through all of #welcome

[spare prism]

It's not my first time here I've been here before just its been a long time last time I played satisfactory I was before 1.0

[ornate saffron]

Good time to review then ^-^

[spare prism]

The issue was I played the game everyday for so long I got bored and had to take a long break from it lol. I do that with most of my games lol

[ornate saffron]

I always take breaks then start new when I return. This is the cycle

[spare prism]

I did just start new

23 hours into game rn

Trying to get phase 2 done so I can move to tier 5-6

I got the frame work stuff going rn then I'm gunna set up the other stuff

[fluid estuary]

I’m new but how in the hell am I going to do phase two🫩

[sick peak]

Factory must grow

[fluid estuary]

Bruh

[glacial drum]

Just keep going. You’ll get the hang of it.

[stone quiver]

You automate tier 1/2 stuff. Then tier 3. Then 4. Etc

[gloomy tusk]

im on phase 5 vro and its like ACTUALLY HARD

its not like its painful to do its just Super hard to get all the resources together

[tall lantern]

build factory, learn from the process, apply learnings to next factory

[gloomy tusk]

im currently rebuilding one of my factorys

[normal orbit]

its not really hard, its just more of what you learned in phase 1 and 2

[gloomy tusk]

resource management is painful

and power management 💔

[normal orbit]

create a logistics network, like trains, makes easy to just branch off stations to move items where you need em. as for power, just build more of it

[gloomy tusk]

unpopular opinion trains suck

[normal orbit]

if you think they sucks, you're using them wrong

[gloomy tusk]

i build a new rail line for each train station

[normal orbit]

ok so yes, you're doing it wrong :p

[gloomy tusk]

i dont know how to build themmmmm

[normal orbit]

build two lines, one in each direction

that way you can have more than one train per track

[gloomy tusk]

but then they crash?

[normal orbit]

not if you use signals

[gloomy tusk]

i dont know how to use them

[normal orbit]

you place them on the tracks in the direction you want train to go

[gloomy tusk]

i dont understand how to do it like which ones do what

[normal orbit]

use block signals first to create blocks

path signals are used for intersections

[gloomy tusk]

factory carts are better

[normal orbit]

uh huh

[forest tangle]

Can someone help me... I'm early-mid game, How many Coal PP will a Coal node feed properly... or rather how do I do the math on this?

[vestal dome]

does anyone know a good early computer factory design

[normal orbit]

depends on node. 120 coal/min = 8 coal gens

[forest tangle]

thanks

[gloomy tusk]

am i mid game yet?

im in phase five but isn't mid game when you have like every resource automated

[forest tangle]

I was told that mid-game starts when you abandon biofuel burners

[gloomy tusk]

thats definetly not true

if we are going of tiers then tier 4-5 is mid game

[normal orbit]

mid game is kinda phase 3, since theres 5 phases

[gloomy tusk]

but in terms of like factorys i think i have low tier factorys

[forest tangle]

I'm just starting phase 3

[normal orbit]

you went thru phase 2 on biofuel? O.o

[tall lantern]

hopefully they mean tier...

[vestal dome]

if i have 200 plastic/m and 240 copper ingots/m do you think ill be able to produce more than 10 computers per minute without somersloops

[normal orbit]

no, you need more plastic

[spare prism]

Phase 2 or tier 2

[spare prism]

What does the computer intake take

[drowsy kelp]

Assuming default recipes you need 240 copper and 320 plastic for 10 computers a minute

You can make 6.25 computers a minute with those resources

[frosty mirage]

I find caterium alts very useful for computers

[scarlet rose]

does anyone here still play on their post-phase 5 world?

because i have a phase 5 world, well two actually, but i was gonna ask does anyone here utilize trucks?

because i switched away from them in favor of trains

[normal orbit]

no trucks tend to be a bit unreliable, since they start teleporting when far away, and then as you move in close and they start driving, they sometime keep the teleportation momentum and you see a truck gets absolutely catapulted

very funny to see, but not ideal for stability :p

[scarlet rose]

okay, i was just wondering, because i was considering using them

[ornate saffron]

some ppl have no issues. I suggest using them at small scale and see how they jive with you

For transparency i don't often use truck stations. I cant drive

[scarlet rose]

okay what is your advice for those who can drive?

because right now i mainly use trains, which is fine, but its such a tedious task to set everything up

[mossy plank]

Lads i feel like my factory is only 99% efficient

[normal orbit]

i would argue trucks is more tedious :)

[ornate saffron]

If you have trains already and you are comfortable with the trucks can be a step back. They need a fuel source. Early game this is coal as its the only one you have access to that can be automated.

After later you can use packaged fuel. I suggest setting up a simple loop for a Phase part. For example for phasese 3 you need modular engines. For those you need smart plates.

Move your smart plates from facility A to your modular engine facility (B)

if you like that go from there and expand

[scarlet rose]

oh nah i do not need phase parts, im done with the game

i just want to rebuild now

yk how it is

[ornate saffron]

ah then just setup something somewhere where the fuel wont be a pain to test it out

[scarlet rose]

i haven't even starting messing around with ionized fuel yet

which is just... insane to think about

[ornate saffron]

lol io always found Nitro rocket fuel was enough for me

[scarlet rose]

enough is nice, but it can always be better

[tall lantern]

if you decide to go for ionised, you should compare the extra you get over the rocket fuel with the extra power you spend

[scarlet rose]

there is a reason i have 75 heavy modular frames being made per minute

[tall lantern]

because IIRC it's barely breakeven, possibly even a loss

[scarlet rose]

because enough is never enough

[normal orbit]

ionized fuel more useful for drones and your own jetpack rather than making power

[tall lantern]

mmm, and batteries and lbf respectively cover those just fine

[scarlet rose]

what about fuel for land vechicles?

[ornate saffron]

biomass coal, all packaged fuels

[tall lantern]

whatever you were already using

if you're at T9 you're unlikely to be creating a new fleet of trucks

[normal orbit]

the diffrence between biofuel and ionized fuel for the jetpack is quite huge. and the speed on drones is also fastest with ionized fuel

[ornate saffron]

full list of fuels for trucks

 Leaves
 Mycelia
 Wood
 Biomass
 Petroleum Coke
 Coal
 Packaged Oil
 Packaged Heavy Oil Residue
 Solid Biofuel
 Compacted Coal
 Packaged Liquid Biofuel
 Packaged Fuel
 Packaged Turbofuel
 Battery
 Packaged Rocket Fuel
 Packaged Ionized Fuel
 Ficsonium Fuel Rod
 Uranium Fuel Rod
 Plutonium Fuel Rod

[scarlet rose]

idk its just an idea of paper, nothing set in stone

more of a "what if" scenario, nothing more

its barely an idea tbh

[scarlet rose]

i know, i will use plutonium fuel rods!

im a genius i know, no need to tell me

its okay its okay

[ornate saffron]

A pluto rods powers a truck for 166.40 minutews

[bitter crow]

Im beginning construction now on my first fuel generator, is there any downsides to having it make plubber and using the HOR to make the fuel?

[ornate saffron]

not at all

[scarlet rose]

im a bit slow, what does plubber and HOR mean?

[ornate saffron]

My first setup is usally HOR to packaged Diluted fuel turning the Poly byproduct into plastic and rubber for personal use

[bitter crow]

Heavy oil residue and plastic and rubber

[scarlet rose]

ohhhh

[scarlet rose]

isn't that how everyone does it? i use HOR to make fuel

its the way to go, no?

[bitter crow]

never used oil before, i dont know shit

[scarlet rose]

oh my bad, i didn't mean to sound condescending, but yes, i would do it the same way as you

make plastic and rubber, and use the HOR to make fuel

[ornate saffron]

this is often the method as it gives ytou the highest fuel output. which lets you power m,ore generators

[bitter crow]

should i use any alt recipes to make it better?

[scarlet rose]

none that i can think of

[ornate saffron]

HOR and packaged diluted fuel is the go to for most ppl

[normal orbit]

HOR and Diluted fuel is usually the goto yes. but the packaged fuel recipie is a bit annoying to setup, and the blender variant isnt available until tier 7 iirc

[ornate saffron]

@bitter crow what the cat said

[scarlet rose]

yeah i remember when i first unlocked oil, it was... not fun to set up

and this was on my second save as well, it was just a bit... tedious

its not difficult its just a ton of cable management

[normal orbit]

so i just kinda use residual fuel until i can make blender, then hop straight to diluted fuel into nitro rocketfuel since both use blenders

[ornate saffron]

how do you manage cables now that you have seen credits roll

[ornate saffron]

same

[scarlet rose]

i try to keep them in a straight line as much as possible

i mean its still spaghetti sometimes, but i try to make it as straight as possible

basically i try my best to avoid overlapping pipes

[ornate saffron]

I run a metal beam under machines to hide the outlets

[normal orbit]

i do appreciate that ccs made swapping fuel in fuel gens much easier than pre 1.0 :p

[scarlet rose]

are you telling me you're just burying the problem?

[bitter crow]

how many plubber/minute should i have... literally have never used them before

[ornate saffron]

no not at all i leave sweeping things under the rug to my friends to the south

[normal orbit]

enough :p

[scarlet rose]

well that is completely up to you, do you want to focus more on plastic and rubber, or do you want to focus on getting as much fuel as possible?

[scarlet rose]

i respect it, its not a problem if its hidden

[bitter crow]

its for personal consumption... idk how much ill need

[normal orbit]

prob gonna need 1000-ish/min for each in the long run. but i usually just make my recycle plant turning 4 pipes of 600 crude into around 3200 rubber/min and 4800 plastic/min

[ornate saffron]

some examples

#screenshots message

[scarlet rose]

oh that doesn't look too bad actually

[bitter crow]

#screenshots

[scarlet rose]

also im gonna be so fr... i did not even acknowledge the diluted fuel recipe until you guys brought my attention to it

which i hate, because its way more efficient than the recipe i am currently using

which means that i have to rebuild stuff

[ornate saffron]

the natural bend in the machine frames is a good spot for a beam.

[bitter crow]

How do i use valves then??

[scarlet rose]

you don't

or well, i don't at least

ask someone who uses them

[normal orbit]

you use them to limit flow or prevent backflow. which is not the case there

[bitter crow]

oh i see

[ornate saffron]

you dont, Most ppl including the guy who wrote the Ficsit plumbing guide pinned in #math-and-meta suggest not usiung them

[bitter crow]

oh i see

[normal orbit]

tbf valves have been fixed since that guide was made

[bitter crow]

oh god

[ornate saffron]

ya the author is in this discord. You can find him helping ppl in #1038092680493801533 with fluid issues.

they have there place but new folks should stay away.

[bitter crow]

30/min for plubber is good right? its for myself

[gloomy tusk]

plubber

[bitter crow]

that would be 1.2 freight platforms a minute

[bitter crow]

plastic rubber

[normal orbit]

like everything you need to know how to use em. i've used them extensively in my factories like doing return lines for waste water etc.

[bitter crow]

its the most amazing word ever

[ornate saffron]

depends on your personal use. I find that it is enough

[scarlet rose]

im the wrong person to ask, i try to aim for as much material as humanly possible

[bitter crow]

thats the right mindset lmao

[scarlet rose]

in other words, squeeze every ounce of material you can from those oil wells

be as greedy as possible

[ornate saffron]

this is how i usually do refinery cable managment

#screenshots message

[scarlet rose]

ask not "should i do it", but instead ask "can i do it"

if you can do it, then do it

anyway enough of me being a greedy man

[scarlet rose]

you have the conveyor go above the pipes? i do it the other way around

pipes over conveyors

[ornate saffron]

I usually raise my pipes and fill inputs from above. I was lazy here

i suffered fgor it dont worry

[scarlet rose]

you were punished for your sloth

[ornate saffron]

ya i really was

[scarlet rose]

i have to say though, that is what i find the most interesting, watching other people's builds

because you can put 10 satisfactory players in the same room, and they will all have their own designs and takes on the world

[ornate saffron]

To be clear I raise my pipes AND raise my conveyors lol Im a pyscho

[scarlet rose]

what the fuck-

im horrified

[ornate saffron]

ya. Lots of ways to cook a egg

[scarlet rose]

nah nah nah do not defend yourself

you didn't cook the egg

you deep fried it