satisfactory

[cunning glade]

Def glad I gave myself spare hmf tho

Do u use drones

Just in general

[zenith pecan]

Not in my current save, yet, I had drones moving items to my space elevator facility in my old save.

[acoustic bear]

I'm on a mission to collect every sloop, sphere and slug rn

[cunning glade]

Cuz idk if I should make a place where all the fuel goes and then drones take it from there or if I should just drone it directly from my rocketfuel plant

[acoustic bear]

I gotta be getting close

[cunning glade]

Use the interactive map too check

[zenith pecan]

Here's a pic of the rocky desert drone tower #design-and-architecture message

[acoustic bear]

have an empty pad at your fuel production that other drones can pull from

[acoustic bear]

I'm about to. I've also been using my radar towers

[cunning glade]

Valid

[hybrid nymph]

I think I've made a decision

[acoustic bear]

but I'm getting down to like 1-2 left in each tower and thats too much to search for with the scanner

[cunning glade]

I see ty

I think that's common sense but why say that here

This isn't very #satisfactory of u

[hybrid nymph]

I don't know I'll delete it

Sorry

[cunning glade]

Like valid points but I don't want u too get in trouble

[acoustic bear]

commonly held sentiment among anyone that insn't a rich person

[cunning glade]

I mean here in the us there's a lot of people who are Republicans but not rich so idk but yeah not the place

[hybrid nymph]

I put it in offtopic

Honestly

I'm just done arguing with people at this point. I'm 30 years old, I'm too old for this BS

[acoustic bear]

voting doesn't matter, arguing doesn't either, neither party really represents the common person, america is beyond fucked

[hybrid nymph]

Yeah, it is. America needs another revolution to fix things

This is coming from a credentialed political scientist and economist

[zenith pecan]

Here's a brief look at the top of that tower, while it was my first ever attempt at using drones, I successfully had the drones moving mixed loads: #design-and-architecture message

[acoustic bear]

the problem is any "revolution" will be jan 6 style and led by the ignorant

[nocturne nebula]

you guys ever do your between floor conveyors on outside of buildings?

[zenith pecan]

I'm staying far from politics in a gaming discord.

[acoustic bear]

I do.

[hybrid nymph]

Yeah, that's pretty damn true

[wary falcon]

ong

[nocturne nebula]

I think somebody objects? 😄

#screenshots message

[pseudo gust]

i bough the game on my ps5 because cross play isn’t on pc to console for some reason and there’s no KBM support yet this game is so tediuos on controller man

[acoustic bear]

that looks very much like my builds

[hybrid nymph]

I'm going to be hopping on this game in about 3 hours

[acoustic bear]

big concrete cubes with conveyors in out and around

[zenith pecan]

I used to, I hate the look, now I have lifts use floor holes to transition between levels, also I reserve a section of the entire factory floor on all levels for moving material.

[hybrid nymph]

Just got to get my German homework done first

[nocturne nebula]

I love the style personally

[acoustic bear]

I think this game looks good once you start building at a big enough scale

[nocturne nebula]

yeah, I don't do them for all builds ... the occasional complicated ones like my Phase 2 prep

[acoustic bear]

my stuff is super haphazard but still looks decent

[nocturne nebula]

yes it does!

[wary falcon]

could rly use a 500x500 blueprint designer rn

working on big scale makes it look much better but also take so long to make

[zenith pecan]

I have had to be creative with connecting belts lately due to comples setups within confined spaces.

[nocturne nebula]

yes that can be fun too ... I look forward to seeing pics!

[zenith pecan]

Sounds like a bad idea on a material front, build something that big and your inventory + max depot just won't hace the resources.

[covert quarry]

i do not need to make routes for trains? they do it automatically?

[acoustic bear]

you gotta tell them where to stop and setup signal blocks

[wary falcon]

idk its not even that atm its just very te dious on a 40x40x60 build

and im sure youve made much bigger so it might not sound bad but my biggest previously was like 20x20

[covert quarry]

even if its like 1 destination and back?

[acoustic bear]

yeah, and I think you gotta do trains at both ends

if it's there and back

but i'm not a train expert on here

[swift turret]

no if its 1 train you dont need blocks

[covert quarry]

its alr thanks for your help

[swift turret]

if you have multiple trains running its helpful to not have them collide

[zenith pecan]

Early in this clip you can see a mess of the helix bundle at the southern end of the sorting refinery #design-and-architecture message , my spire project was a complete pain to hook up.

[acoustic bear]

sorry, you don't need blocks on there and back. but you do gotta setup the route

[covert quarry]

definately don't want that, but its just 1 train for now

[zenith pecan]

I finally completed the quartz plant too #design-and-architecture message

[vapid zinc]

25 time crystal / fiscit ingot per minute.. Wonder if I can do with that for belting :/

[stone quiver]

I don't feel it much on controller. If you know how to lock nudge and blueprint it zooms

[zenith pecan]

Depends where you make the crystals, I have my time crystal production right next to my coke plant so it has very easy resource access.

[neon forge]

looking on reddit and YT at endgame factories is making me sweat bullets because my god this looks like it'd take forever to build, let alone plan and work out the numbers

[stone quiver]

That's the trick. You don't need to "work out the numbers" on a lot of things. As long as the process can idle no problem, it's fine to overproduce

[nocturne nebula]

wow, I remember how good your building skills are but this is even better than I remember, lol

[vapid zinc]

Dune desert or w/e it's called (north east of map) still got a billion ore available here

[zenith pecan]

For belts, above ground at least, I rely on causeways criss-crossing the land to carry belts, pipes & power, as well as provide safe walkways: here's how I build them #design-and-architecture message

Including a section at the end for underwater construction.

[nocturne nebula]

Bravo Sir, BRAVO!

[zenith pecan]

That ore is returning to untouched while I redesign stuff, the crystals off the coke plant are in the swamp, and are specifically for depot to construction rather than other products.

[nocturne nebula]

even your floors look nice ... do you have a lets play channel?

[zenith pecan]

Not really, I only threw vids too large to chuck in here onto youtube ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc9T_ZlDv68 , there is a primer for getting under the map there hehe, no really recent uploads, I just cba doing it much.

[neon forge]

good thing i'm on phase 2 so endgame is still a while away for me, i still need to make a factory for those parts, the real trouble is gonna be when i reach phase 4 again, hopefully this time is a much less messy world than my first run

[nocturne nebula]

I get that ... its a lot of work

and a lot of storage space on the PC too

[zenith pecan]

Storage space isn't an issue, I have 48Tb available on NAS.

[nocturne nebula]

👀

this building 90 degree belts saves us a crazy amount of time compared to day 1 of release

and you remember how we used to ascend? lol

[neon forge]

i'm tempted to look into trucks this time because on my last run i literally never used any transport method that wasn't belts but dragging belts across half the map got a little ridiculous

[zenith pecan]

I've done that, my tunnel network is all belts, and it constantly grows, it covers the map.

[neon forge]

i might do it again we'll see lol, maybe i could have a bunch of glass "sky bridges" acting as a belting network

[zenith pecan]

Mine aren't sky bridges per se, but they do work for carrying belts and pipes while having embedded power #design-and-architecture message

[covert quarry]

is there some aligning that needs to happen before you can dock with a train?

[neon forge]

on my last run i had those huge lines of foundations floating high in the sky for safe map traversal before i finally looked into hypertube cannons, i could reuse the concept for belting, only problem is it looks fugly

[zenith pecan]

That's why mine are more grounded, I really dislike floating structures, those are never permanent, anything I build must be anchored, even some of the taller structures like shown here #design-and-architecture message

[stone quiver]

I do belt aqueducts to make it look decent . But not the whole map, only within a "zone"

If my facility is 200x400, 1km of aqueduct conveyer isn't too obscene

[zenith pecan]

I'll have the causeways and bridges connect between biomes, but that is really for power and save walking, material transported long distance goes down into the tunnels.

[stone quiver]

You build underground?!

[zenith pecan]

Hell yeah #design-and-architecture message , why else would I be known as the tunnel rat 😛

[neon forge]

i'm not sure how far i'll push the aesthetics in this run but i do want most of my factories to be actual buildings this time instead of going full lawn base

[stone quiver]

Is that legit or a glitch

[cunning glade]

I can't decide between 8 or 10 ai expansion servers what do y'all think

[stone quiver]

That's just 1 building either way

Because 4 is default, 8-10 is 200-250% without sloop

[cunning glade]

Oh I didn't plan too sloop

Ig I should or could

Ig theese slooped wouldn't be bad

[zenith pecan]

Tbh, building below the map isn't supported in any way shape or form, if it goes tits up, your on your own, here's a primer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc9T_ZlDv68

[stone quiver]

I'm good before I go trying that lol

That's way too beyond my current dreams

[zenith pecan]

Fair dues.

[stone quiver]

Fair deuce

[neon forge]

i really need to sink a truckload of stuff to unlock all the customizer stuff and aesthetic blocks, would help with making things look sorta nice even if one scroll on reddit will rightfully make me feel so inferior :kekw:

[cunning glade]

oh i remember why i did 20 super computers a min

[ornate saffron]

some ppl just let the game run over night

[cunning glade]

cuz nuclear power needs 20 per stack

[acoustic bear]

directly sink a few uranium nodes and let the game run overnight

[tame pulsar]

i made a 'train track' (2 rails for one direction each, CW and CCW) that covers the perimeter ish of most areas... is it alright to use the inner circle for collecting raw ore to bring to my main base then use/craft from there and use the outer circle pathfor the pre-existing 'factories' that exist out and about to grab stuff? Im thinking like 10 or so 3 carriages each trains that travel in the inner radius path for the raw ores

[stone quiver]

Sink a phase 4/5 on auto. You can buy it all in a day

[blissful fable]

what should i use for fuel
oil->fuel
or
oil->heavy oil->fuel
because i im looking at the 2 and i feel like id get more fuel with the second option?

[neon forge]

i did consider that, currently sinking reanimated SAM as i have no use for it yet without manufacturers unlocked, could just afk at base one night and return likely to a very confused ADA

[ornate saffron]

yup

[stone quiver]

If you go through diluted you get more, otherwise you don't have anyway to make more fuel from crude

[ornate saffron]

for bestr result make sam Fluxuatars and sink them

[nocturne nebula]

they're much brighter than they used to be!

[zenith pecan]

There are full brightness billboards embedded within the walls to enforce lighting after coffee stain removed the emissive light from the smaller signs.

[neon forge]

can't auto craft them yet, i'm on phase 2 and manufacturers come during phase 3

[nocturne nebula]

oooh, I thought I noticed a difference ... I rather liked the old lighting with the signs

[stone quiver]

How long did that take wow

[ornate saffron]

gotcha

[stone quiver]

Or can you blueprint it and .., well whatever you can do underground

[nocturne nebula]

I have barely used my mercer sphers cos I don't wanna self craft them with no manufacturer, lol

[gritty kite]

is the infused uranium alt recipe good to use instead of the default recipe?

[feral snow]

haha, great.

[feral snow]

that depends entirely upon your setup and circumstances my brother

[neon forge]

this underground building talk is making me wonder if people ever built factories inside one of the caves, that could be sick

[ornate saffron]

i built a phase 5 factory. I dont wana drop spooilers but the effecrs of the phase 5 machines in the caves make for a horror scene

[stone quiver]

The entire factory? Can you drone into the caves lol

[acoustic bear]

pretty sure they just clip through any obstacles including terrain

I have enclosed drone bays and the drones just fly through walls

[ornate saffron]

drones car not for clipping

[swift turret]

its his world he can do whatever

If he wants to sabotage years of work for a wall clip. Let him suffer

[feral snow]

is he saying "drones are not for clipping"?

[cunning glade]

so my friend is trying to load into my world we havent played on it in about a month it was working but he loads for about a min and then it kicks him all thats changed is i deleted some small mods any ideas?

[wary falcon]

turns out even conveyor throughput monitors are useless.. i have 2 blenders at 100% making 3 mod frames at a MAX, but my throughput monitor says 5 per min

how 😭

[acoustic bear]

it's an average so if it stops it'll go down

[cunning glade]

I may just need too go back too factorio and wait

[cunning glade]

They ain't useless just wait

Also turn out 100 computers and 10 super a min works so that's what we going with

[ornate saffron]

I typo'd care.

Drones care not for clipping

[dense violet]

because thigns go in bursts and you have no idea what the segments of time they run their numbers with. The efficiency meters, train throughput monitors? all of them pretty pointless. Look at your machines and see if they are running to confirm throughput

[wary falcon]

thats true i ill just use the machines and yellow light thingy

[potent flicker]

ummm I was once in this server then it was removed off of my server listings I have

What ever happened to the server, this looks a bit new.

[cunning glade]

Man I forget like u gotta build a platform for stuff in this and like plan how u wanna do that

[swift turret]

nothing new here

[cunning glade]

And like I gotta connect my rubber trains too the actual train grid Frick

[swift turret]

why is that bad?

Thats easy

[cunning glade]

Annoying spot

Also I wanna start my computer factory

And figure out how I wanna make this

Gonna need water so preferably I build the close too ground level

Also my friend doesn't seem too be able too join my world?

[swift turret]

golden coast is pretty good for computers

I made computers and high speed over there because theres caterium

and super computers

[cunning glade]

And ig I'm just not allowed too play factory games with friends

Both factorio and this game why

What did I do

[cunning glade]

I'm making it like right next too paradise Island around the same area I think

[potent flicker]

I might have accidentally left when I was cleaning up my servers.

[cunning glade]

Neat but I can join my friend just fine

And then it crashes

Neat

This game doesn't crash too

[tranquil zinc]

does hold to zipline setting not work on mouse and keyboard controls?

[acoustic bear]

right click

[tranquil zinc]

ohh, thanks

[acoustic bear]

rock n stone

[cunning glade]

Loading is more CPU intensive than GPU right?

[acoustic bear]

this game is wayyyy more CPU intensive on all fronts

[cunning glade]

So this doesn't make sense he has a better CPU

[acoustic bear]

if he's crashing it's probably software related

[cunning glade]

No he's not crashing

He just has a black screen and can't load in

He can hear sound

It was kicking him too it stopped that

Well that's really annoying ig I will be building this later :/

[acoustic bear]

update GPU drivers

reseat GPU

[cunning glade]

We both are on the latest

It legit doesn't let him join my world I can join him

[acoustic bear]

verify game files using steam or epic

[patent latch]

just now unlocked trains... I made the genius decision to base in the literal corner of the map so I think I will move my base into a more central location which will let me clean up the spaghetti that is my current base and streamline it into a steel hub

kinda daunting though. first time i've really needed to restart something

[acoustic bear]

it's kinda the theme of this game

you'll restart several more times but each restart builds upon the last

I wish there was a search function for stuff I've built

like I wish I could type "stators" and see where I'm building them or where they're stored at

because I'm building automated wiring somewhere but idk where

[junior arch]

That would be fire

[chrome kettle]

do you guys build small component factories, like a steel rod factory, or a screws factory, then send those as input for more advanced factories?

[acoustic bear]

I've been doing a big stonking inefficient mega build

doing it backwards to how most others would probably

[swift turret]

put a marker on the map

[zealous urchin]

definately

[chrome kettle]

you mean like one big factory that takes raw ore as input?

[zealous urchin]

depends

[acoustic bear]

I ran all my ores to a central point sorta on the west coast and made everything into a big pile of ingots and now I've been slowly making spaghetti out of my ingot stockpile

[zealous urchin]

and thats very rare approach

typicaly ppl see oh i need this then find location thats allright for it and make it there, then the next thing comes they do the same

[acoustic bear]

this is my first playthrough so I'm definitely super inefficient

[ornate saffron]

I just lost 5 hours lol

[zealous urchin]

well u have everything in one place so except ore transport u have it easy kinda later down the track

[patent latch]

first playthrough too but im already thinking about a second one with satisfactory+

[zealous urchin]

sati+ even for second is a big task but hey its new

[ornate saffron]

How do you feel about screws

[patent latch]

I use the alt recipes with screws decently often

they have a higher throughput

[zealous urchin]

start in sati+ is tough compared to normal

[patent latch]

I heard, dealing with byproduct from the start? like you have to process minerals into raw metals and get rid of the useless leftovers type of thing

[zealous urchin]

ye

[patent latch]

dealing with screws is infinitely more bearable though if you have the alt recipe that lets you just make them out of iron bars

[zealous urchin]

i was 12 hrs in sati + and still disnt have automated power

on a sidenote thats a very cute fox

[patent latch]

does a biofuel setup where you input leaves/wood/mycelia and it distributes biofuel logs count as automated? or something more along the lines of coal where you just don't need to touch it

[zealous urchin]

id say coal is automated

i was nowhere near that aswell

i had basic iron and copper

[acoustic bear]

I'd say that's automated, especially if it can sort your inputs

[zealous urchin]

been working on tin and magnesium

amd coal was nowhere near

[patent latch]

nah i just had 3 storage containers side by side going into their own constructors lol, no need for sorting

[zealous urchin]

also in sati+ u need way more machines than in normal so u will need to care more about power

[acoustic bear]

I made mine fancy so I could just dump wood/leaves/mycelia into the same container and let it handle the sorting

[patent latch]

why can't i send images

[acoustic bear]

security

[patent latch]

smart splitters are kinda pricey, idk how it is in s+ but in my normal run I unlocked them way after i got coal setup

at which point i never want to touch bio anything again

[zealous urchin]

mam works kinda same

[acoustic bear]

I automated rotors and ai limiters quickly, they're both only 2 item inputs

[zealous urchin]

no real changes

[patent latch]

I just didn't find much carterium early so didn't get a quickwire setup

[patent latch]

is there a verification or role or what

[acoustic bear]

I don't think so

[mental ice]

Finally finished the game! Bye guys, it's been fun. Time to touch some grass

[acoustic bear]

just can't do it

[patent latch]

is it because I'm new? or just no pictures forever

[zealous urchin]

u need to use #screenshots and copy a message link then sens it here

[patent latch]

what is this meant to protect against, exactly?

[zealous urchin]

cat gifs

[patent latch]

#screenshots message

anyways this alt screws recipe is a godsend idk what id be doing without it

yeah i think id enjoy s+ because I've started to enjoy the factory building a lot more now that ive unlocked oil products and you have to handle the waste (although lets be real you can just make the purple goop into fuel and burn it on the spot if you are lazy)

[swift turret]

what makes screws really great is you dont need them

plenty of alts without them

[patent latch]

yeah but the alts with them are just so much more convenient

dealing with screws? nah dealing with iron rods is what pisses me off 2 to 1 ahh ratio

I literally use the alt screw recipe for iron plates, modular frames, and the copper recipe for rotors (requires more screws)

[stone quiver]

Screws issue is throughput on early conveyors

[zealous urchin]

i think only good recipe with screws is for rotor unironicaly
basic and copper

[patent latch]

yeah thats a fair point

im ngl the bolted iron plate is just supremely convenient even if it is technically less efficient

[stone quiver]

Screws themselves are fine , they're a product like any other and only in early-mid tier items

Now if a time crystal needed 3000 screws

[patent latch]

especially because the alt screw recipe is already outputting in multiples of 50 so you really don't mind the screws going up from 180 to 250 if it means you need 1/3rd as many assemblers

[zealous urchin]

if it was made in a manufacturer id take that over a sam requirement

[ivory condor]

To bad the recipes with need such god awful high amounts

[zealous urchin]

but have u heard about stiched iron plate?

[patent latch]

I just realized if i am using a train to bring packaged products I can recycle the packages but rn what im doing is dedicating some of my plastic output to craft the packages on-the-spot... might just dump the empty packages in an awesome sink lol and not bother with it

[patent latch]

meh, iron is plentiful asf would rather just have an assembler output 15 and be inefficient about it than do a recipe requiring more than 1 resource because it saves on iron plates by a little bit

[last bluff]

Assemblers are virtually free at least

[zealous urchin]

but have u heard about the iron wire

[ivory condor]

Time to go with direct insertion it is for these screws

[last bluff]

I've actually done that for some materials xD

[patent latch]

you can do direct insertion between machines?

[last bluff]

0.1m belt and the output bits and input bits looking like they align

[ivory condor]

With screws its definitely necessary

[patent latch]

I thought it was only logisticals (joiner splitter lifter) and even then its kind of finnicky its annoying to place

anyone else feel like the blueprint upgrades are a little bit pathetic? like blueprint 2 is barely bigger than blueprint 1 woop de do i can fit 4 refineries instead of 3...

[last bluff]

Ye blueprints suck compares to Factorio's system or Minecraft's blueprint mods

[ivory condor]

Only decent ones are modded designers to be honest

[hollow hemlock]

different systems for different games

[patent latch]

I get having limitations on the blueprints, like what they have in factorio would be too much and its nice to have the progression but cmon you upgrade the blueprint and its only 20% increased dimensions

[white dawn]

Mk2 blueprints have nearly 2x more volume than mk1

[patent latch]

doesn't really mean much. you certainly aren't fitting 2 times as many things in there

[zealous urchin]

especialy if u wanna do 20 refs in a circle 🧙‍♂️

[white dawn]

It's true that Satisfactory's blueprints have some limitations, but those limitations are there to encourage you to make use of them in the ways that CSS intended

[ivory condor]

Funny our machines are so big even 2x volume increase doesnt feel like much

[last bluff]

Personally, I don't get the limitation. You just get tedium. Could as well remove zoop mode

[zealous urchin]

why dont u love refineries

[white dawn]

Honestly I disagree that it's even tedium, but hey, good thing mods exist for those who want them

[patent latch]

I get that blueprint 1 is useless for refineries because its in a different part of the progression but the fact that blueprint 2 is still useless for refineries is really annoying

[dense violet]

so you don't copy huge factories with a click and don't play with designs for different situations

[white dawn]

Especially with auto-connecting belts now, building out gigantic arrays of machines is trivial

[dense violet]

you don't know how to use blueprints if you find either of them useless for refineries

just having even 1 connected to pipes belts and power saves a huge amount of time

[ivory condor]

Right, thats why i use modded designers for larger prints

[patent latch]

like if I can make a 9 smelter array with blueprint 1 inc. inputs and outputs I should be able to make a 6 refinery array with blueprint 2 inc. input/output management

[ivory condor]

For most of what i do anymore even mk3 are to small anymore

[white dawn]

As someone who made great use of blueprints for refineries back then the mk1 was the only one, I feel I can confidently say: you're using them wrong if you think they're useless for refineries. :)

[ivory condor]

But i blame all of our machines being massive

[last bluff]

Yes, because building by hand the same pillar in a megafactory is the definition of creativity

[white dawn]

Manifolding setup for refineries was certainly tight with only mk1s but they were plenty useful anyway

[patent latch]

I don't really get it, you can fit literally only 3 refineries in blueprint mk 1 at which point you can just place them side by side in the overworld without needing a blueprint lol

[dense violet]

you can very easily use bps to make fancy pillars
I don't think you udnerstand how to use them at this point

[zealous urchin]

hey i did that cool thing in 4 hours and oh man i have to do it again eslewhere for 4 hours

[ivory condor]

Shoot me now

[white dawn]

3 with all their manifolding already hooked up. And with recipes set, and maybe even inputs pre-filled

[last bluff]

Oh I did mean towers btw, in my head they're the same

And yes, you can... if it fits

[dense violet]

you can have them all connected to power belts and fluids with 1 click
if you can't see the difference between teh two I don't think you know what you're talking about

[zealous urchin]

with stun rebar or with fixmas candy bar?

[dense violet]

make it in 2 bps then

[last bluff]

Yes, because THAT is what breeds creativity

[ivory condor]

Yes

[white dawn]

If you don't see how that's useful for mass building, as I say, you're just not using blueprints properly

[zealous urchin]

so both is good

[dense violet]

and that's up to you if you want to work around creativity

[patent latch]

like, barely. I still have hella room to spare in my 9 smelter one i could probably make a 12 smelter one, or 8 constructor, or combo some smelters some constructors for mk 1

[white dawn]

(Especially with the autoconnect we have now)

[dense violet]

if you're intent with just absolutely doing teh same huge factories over and over and just broken up with 6 BP sections, well we can't stop you

no one can totally force you to be creative if you absolutely refuse to play along.
Do what yo ulike in the end

[white dawn]

Sure, barely. So it's nice that we've got the mk2 by that point, eh? Plenty of room for all the hookups, no squashing required

I was making the point that even mk1 was a huge timesaver

Mk2 (and 3) is even better

[dense violet]

hell, just take megaprints from other people, stitch them into your map with a save editor and 'complete' the game if you like.

can't stop you

[last bluff]

There's a lot of assumption in that one

I use blueprints and have my friction points I wanted to air. This is not how I build factories tho (I prefer outposts everywhere which makes it much less useful)

[patent latch]

I feel like the progression should be such that after you finish building a setup for x materials, maybe a tier later you should have the ability to copy paste a factory for that setup within a few different blueprints

[ivory condor]

People said the same thing about why the game shouldnt have zoop and bps originally, sorry for me creativity isnt turning the game into a carpal tunnel simulator

[dense violet]

then you're arguing pointlessly things yo udon't believe? that's even more annoying

[last bluff]

... Thanks for your insight? Can't you read or

[dense violet]

you can if you build them in blueprints.

[white dawn]

My own only real complaint prior to mk2+3 was that it was too small to blueprint the kind of manifold hookups I wanted on Manufacturers. I'd have been happy with just a 4x5-footprint blueprinter, let alone the 5x5 and 6x6 that we got

[patent latch]

like I have smelter and constructor and assembly arrays to just make copper stuff or iron stuff happen wherever i want but any oil factory i wanna make is barely better than just placing everything by hand

[dense violet]

though thats still very silly since every location will have benefits from changing recipes or the number of X Y and Z you produce pm

[white dawn]

(And even then, you still could blueprint even a manufacturer's hookups)

[zealous urchin]

blueprints are very good still
with 10 smelters one, 10 constructors and 8 assemblers bps i could do 45 heavy frames/m in 6 hours and most of that time i spent hooking up belts and making wet concrete refineries

[dense violet]

why would you build the 'same' factory in another spot that uses caterium when there's none nearby when you can use an alt recipe that swaps it out for something else?

the entire reason Alt recipes exist

[patent latch]

it would be a different factory but it would be nice to have yknow a refinery array that i can go in later and change the recipes tweak the inputs for whatever alt recipe

[white dawn]

Anyway, my last reiteration before I pop off to bed: certainly it's a good thing that mods exist for folks who want them, but if you think the vanilla blueprinters are useless, you have not figured out how to effectively use them

[ivory condor]

Because i remember when i had to place each foundation manually, im never going back to that

[patent latch]

I'm not saying they're useless, im saying the upgrades are pretty pathetic

[dense violet]

you can easily do that with blueprints as they are
I do that and I'm not a huge fan of blueprints or use them much

[white dawn]

They're a huge time saver just the way they are, and can really trivialize large builds

[zealous urchin]

hmm yes lets not automate designs

[patent latch]

well, no you can't, not the same way you can do for smelters even at max blueprint level

[dense violet]

again - I don't think you've played around with how to build things properly

[ivory condor]

Indeed

[dense violet]

you can go into the bp and just swap the recipes real quick on a smelter array.
same with refineries

[zealous urchin]

and now lets make it so each blueprint takes up inventory space lol

[patent latch]

automation in my automation game? no...

[zealous urchin]

no way

[ivory condor]

You think thats bad, just look at coal generators also, thats pretty bad to

[patent latch]

are you saying making blueprints for coal generators?

[dense violet]

coal gen bps are very convenient

[patent latch]

those are so easy to build and are literally always the exact same, no?

[ivory condor]

I remember when bps were first introduced, looked at goal gens and wondered what in lords name the devs were thinking, still do infact, worse still the devs did nothing about that

[patent latch]

im confused what your issue is with coal generators

[hybrid nymph]

Hey guys, just finished my homework

[ivory condor]

They were to high to even fit in mk1 designers, terrible decision on the devs part imo

[hybrid nymph]

I have a question?

[patent latch]

oh for sure. I just never bothered blueprinting them because I just spam a line of 4, connect the conveyers pretty quickly done

[hybrid nymph]

So if I have a cheap fuel source like turbofuel or rocket fuel can I just keep using fuel generators instead of nuclear power?

[zealous urchin]

if u automate in automation game u no creative - confucius

[hybrid nymph]

As four fully overclocked fuel generators produce the same amount of power as the nuclear reactor

[patent latch]

although honestly you unlock coal after/same time as blueprint 1, no? so I wouldn't mind if you had to wait for the next upgrade to be able to bp coal

[wide rampart]

Can you download player blueprints?

Or only make your own?

[ivory condor]

carpal tunnel awaits

[patent latch]

you WILL play slave simulator and place everything by hand without conveyer belt autoconnects or whatever

[jaunty jewel]

what do you think we did before 1.1

[zealous urchin]

if u convert alien remains to biocoal and then matter convert that coal into uranium u can make bio uranium rods, it is a very fun way to play the game amd extremly creative too i swear!

[patent latch]

imo blueprints shouldn't be able to fit more than 2 buildings and a splitter (but not the merger for the outputs). otherwise just breaks the game balance its too automated

[ivory condor]

Lets do it

[zealous urchin]

mmm yes speak to me like that

[jaunty jewel]

stop cooking please

[zealous urchin]

hold on, let him cook

[jaunty jewel]

do not

[ivory condor]

Remember real creative players place everything manually, no zoop or bps

[zealous urchin]

no world grid too

[patent latch]

actually every time you make a building you have to spend a minute of time putting together all of the components: frame, motor, wiring, etc. and then code the recipe in an in-universe version of some freaky embedded C variant

[ivory condor]

Indeed

[patent latch]

no rotation feature when placing a hologram. you should just move your lazy ass around to the other angle

[jaunty jewel]

oh its just bad sarcasm

[zealous urchin]

hear me out, each time u place something it autorotates randomly in one of 360 possible degrees

[patent latch]

no jumping. build ramps everywhere like god intended

[jaunty jewel]

hear me out, each second you have a 1/3600 chance to die and lose everything

[zealous urchin]

no sir, this talk is very creative and unblueprintable

[jaunty jewel]

no no hear me out, each femtosecond you have a 100% chance to have a random piece of malware put in your pc that acts instantly

[patent latch]

same old story of people having to justify questionable game design with this weird masochistic idea that its more artistic or moral the annoying way or else admit they wasted time that wouldn't have needed to be spent in a better version of the game

[zealous urchin]

but only if u use blueprints, zoop and other discussed features

[jaunty jewel]

whats the questionable game design here

[zealous urchin]

wouldnt call it outright masochistic but more based on sink cost fallacy

[patent latch]

yeah im being a bit hyperbolic here

anyways enough arguing

finally got the rifle today so i can exterminate pesky wildlife

[zealous urchin]

satisfactory x doom crossover

[patent latch]

good thing in a rare moment of forward thinking i reserved some purple goop to be packaged and sent away from my oil refinery area

first thing I'll do w trains/dedicated crafting area is make the purple goop and sulfur kiss for that sweet sweet smokeless powder

[zealous urchin]

yes it tastes like sugar

[ivory condor]

Makes sense. So these people are major sink cost fallacy on creativity

Oddly it can make sense when i think about it

But again, if creativity means placing each foundation manually, maybe ill go play something else

[stiff dock]

hey, can someone give me tips on how to plan and how to make things efficiently ? it's a lot to take in and i always end up overloading my generators or not making materials fast enough . should i have a different copper node for each material, for example: one for wire and one for cable ?

[zealous urchin]

what kind of clay are u made of?
are u a creative crocodile ore are u an automating ant?
be honest with urself 🗿

[deft nexus]

this channel is shockingly quiet for how big this server is

[acoustic bear]

I'm more of a zesty zebra

[dense violet]

treat the tiers as a tutorial where you pick those things up as you progress 🙂

as for power, build lots of coal power somewhere distant -

[zealous urchin]

its australian hours tbf

[ivory condor]

Im more its time for more modded bps

[stiff dock]

no i mean , one copper node connected to my hub to make wire, and then another copper node connnected to my hub to make wire ----> cables

also how do i even get coal and where do i find it

[zealous urchin]

modding moose

[zealous urchin]

i like that one

[dense violet]

if you want! you're very early on, your needs are going to keep changing

you get a lot of recipes that change what you need and how much of

[stiff dock]

wait i'm confused

what do you mean my needs keep changing

[hybrid nymph]

After doing some research I figured something out from steam about this game

56% of steam users play this game at 1080p

22% Play at 1440p

5% play at 4k

And 17% Play at 720p

I had to do a little bit of research with the numbers that they gave me, Because I realized that something was wrong. The numbers that they gave me for 1080p, 1440p, and 4K only added up to 82%

So I told Google that it was wrong and it told me that it didn't account for the 720p players

[willow pond]

iirc 1366x768 gets thrown under the 720p resolution, which is standard low/midrange laptop

[hybrid nymph]

Yeah I can see that

[willow pond]

hopefully there aren't too many people left doing things on a 720p monitor

[hybrid nymph]

I hope so lol 😆

I feel sorry for the poor shmucks that have to play at 720 p

I got a 1440p monitor, I took out a best buy loan for $800 for a 27inch curved monitor

[willow pond]

i wonder if that survey grabs ahold of the actual monitor's resolution, or just what people play at, and if it's affected by FSR/DLSS shenanigans

[hybrid nymph]

#off-topic-tech message

This is the monitor I bought

It was worth every penny and I absolutely love it 💓❤️

[thick crater]

alr thanks.Yeah im coming from 1.0,returning to game aftr long time

[willow pond]

jumping from 1080p to 1440p is definitely noticeable

[hybrid nymph]

Yeah it sure is

[thick crater]

yoo another revan fan

[hybrid nymph]

Especially how I was playing at 60fps And now I'm playing at 120 FPS

[willow pond]

ngl i have 0 interest in going above 120/144Hz, i don't think i could even detect higher

[hybrid nymph]

I'm playing on high settings with a Ryzen 7 5800X overclocked to 4.8 GHz and an RTX 2070 Super Overclocked to 2070 MHz

Yes I overclock my computer, I have liquid cooling, get used to it lol 😆

[willow pond]

5800X doesn't need an AIO unless an air cooler is too big for the case

[hybrid nymph]

#off-topic-tech message

[willow pond]

nice to have tho

[hybrid nymph]

I used to use a different cooler on it

I used to use the Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B

[willow pond]

he has 4 sticks of ram, GET HIM

[hybrid nymph]

And I slapped 2 Corsair fans on it

The only thing I hate about Corsair is under full load they're loud

[willow pond]

240 i assume

[hybrid nymph]

No it has two 120 mm fans on it

[willow pond]

oh i meant the AIO size

[hybrid nymph]

It's a huge tower CPU cooler and it looks like an engine block

[willow pond]

case didn't look big enough for a 280

nice size case tho, i wish that they would start making stubbier cases that can fit on a desk easier

[hybrid nymph]

This is said cooler I used to use: #off-topic-tech message

Before I went with the MSI Mag core liquid 240R

[willow pond]

yea, used to use its main competitor, the assassin 120

[stiff dock]

what did they mean my needs are going to keep changing ?

[hybrid nymph]

I tested the difference between the scythe cooler with the Corsair fans vs the AIO

In a 3D Mark test. My CPU got up to 77° C with the tower CPU cooler with the fans at max speed. The AIO cooler only got me up to 72° C with the fans set at max speed

[reef basin]

Pick a product and amount and work backwards, instead of working from node to product

[willow pond]

2 fans vs 1 will usually do that 🤣

[reef basin]

Different recipes, more products, more volume, etc.

[hybrid nymph]

The only AIO cooler I wouldn't recommend would be the single fan ones, those are garbage lol 😆

[willow pond]

oh yea the 120s feel like just a scam

[hybrid nymph]

They are a scam

Most default heat sinks that come with the processor, except for Intel, outperform most of the 120 mm AIO coolers

It also has to do with the type of metal that the heat sink uses

[willow pond]

and if you can't fit that in your case, it probably ain't fitting the ram or gpu 🤣

[hybrid nymph]

Exactly!

The material of metal that the AIO cooler / tower CPU cooler part that touches the CPU is made of actually has to do with the temperature that it has

If you're using a tower CPU cooler that is made of aluminum, versus a AIO cooler where the face of the cooler that touches the CP was made of copper, it's going to be a much better heat sink

[willow pond]

i do like the "tilted on its side" downdraft coolers with heat pipes

[hybrid nymph]

In terms of thermal expansion for different metals, Gold is number 1, silver is number 2, and copper is number 3, calcium is number 4, and aluminum is number 5

[willow pond]

don't think i'll be going for a calcium cooler 🤣

[dense violet]

well every tier you'll need more items

items crunch down so you can make 100 wire pm now but might need 1000 later

[hybrid nymph]

Actually never mind I was wrong

Silver is the best conductor of electricity not gold

My mistake. Silver is number one, copper is number two, gold is number three, calcium is number four, and aluminum is number five

Those are the order of thermal expansion that they have

Now gold is the best conductor of electricity metal there is

Which is why the pins on the back of the CPU are made out of 14 karat gold

[acoustic bear]

AIOs are fine but big air coolers are sexy

[willow pond]

LOL could you imagin a manufacturer trying to cut corners and save a bit by making calcium CPU pins

[acoustic bear]

AIOs are louder too with added pump noise

[hybrid nymph]

Actually not sometimes

The reason I like MSI is because their coolers are quiet

[acoustic bear]

always. pump louder than no pump

[hybrid nymph]

When my computer is under full load it's only about 40 decibels

I design my computer to be quiet

[willow pond]

my AIO's fans are dead silent, but that's because they're noctua

[hybrid nymph]

I could talk about tech for hours

[gloomy tusk]

Guys

[short fiber]

Omg when the straight convieyer curves work in the direction you want them too 😍

[gloomy tusk]

i have done it

[stiff dock]

what do you mean

[gloomy tusk]

i finally convinced my parents to let me get a pc 🥹

[hybrid nymph]

I love computers so much that I have 2 computer tattoos

Nice! 🙂☺️
Here I'll post it in the tech chat

#off-topic-tech message

[gloomy tusk]

clean yo room

[tidal dock]

Is it better to just use more machines or use the power shards?

[reef basin]

e.g. if you want wire, pick amount you want, calculate how much ore it needs, build it near nodes it need

[reef basin]

Depends how you define better

[tidal dock]

idk it just seems easier to build less machines

[reef basin]

Sure, but uses shards and more power

Your choice if you are fine with that

[stiff dock]

i'm so lost i'm so dumb , i just have all of my materials by my hub

is that bad

[tidal dock]

Is power a problem in this game? I'm still on Coal but definitely getting close to my current limit

[reef basin]

Not much, but it's a factor

[reef basin]

I mean not if you're having fun

[tidal dock]

alright so I'll just go power shard crazy and deal with the power issues if they happen

[acoustic bear]

typically you build one big power plant every couple tiers

[stiff dock]

i want have maximum efficiency and maximum fun

it's just tedious rn cuz i'm not making much of each product

[tidal dock]

Then build bigger and more factories for each thing

[willow pond]

MOAR

[insert Kylo Ren meme here]

[stiff dock]

should i spread them all out, cuz if i have the specific product made from each node it will take a while to get from place to place and to get power across from node to node

[tidal dock]

Here I am trying to plan out factory adjustments and I load Factorio instead of Satisfactory 🤦‍♂️

[limpid cairn]

Machines are better because they will use less power

But oc machines are necessary later in the game

[tidal dock]

got it

[dense violet]

OCing machines is never 'necessary' but is often convenient
if you have lots of shards? use them as you please, but outside of miners and extractors all they do is save space.

[willow pond]

reddit's SF section is a great spot to get some setup ideas, and also to feel permanently inadequate

[dense violet]

you really need to be careful with reddit, there's still old myths and misinformation about stuff. Especially pipes

[willow pond]

true

[reef basin]

maximum efficiency is just matching machine inputs and ouputs

[reef basin]

then make more

[surreal canopy]

Pipes? For example?

[stiff dock]

wait so should i have a copper production by the copper node and then a iron production by the iron node and so on and so forth

or should i have them all from their respective nodes and then connect them

[willow pond]

that's the fun part, it's up to you

[reef basin]

you should make each item near nodes it needs

ofc you can do whatever you want, but if asking for recommendations, this would be mine

[dense violet]

people talking about fake pipe 'bugs'
or 'reliable' solutions with valves and buffers involved

I've seen people still talking about the belt to belt bug more than a year after it was fixed on reddit

[reef basin]

not to mention all the "best alt recipe tier lists" 🤢

[dense violet]

oh yeah the tier lists. Some of the worst nonsense

old info doesn't get updated very well on reddit and it's hard to stamp out fake info

[tidal dock]

I like the alt recipes but I also have no idea which ones to take so I have like 10 of them just sitting there

[dense violet]

the thing about alt recipes is you should take all of them
and you can, you're never locked out of them.

[reef basin]

that's player issue, not screw issue

[dense violet]

and their values depend on your location, what you're making, how much of it you're making, how much of other things you're making, what other recipes you're using, and just also subjective tastes of yours

[tidal dock]

I've had several people tell me not to take them unless I know I need the recipe

so I just end never taking anything

[surreal canopy]

On a speedrun, the best alt recipe is none of them. Oil is reachable in ~10-11 hours with no alts.

[dense violet]

pick anything you might want to use in your next factory. You can always get all the recipes

[tidal dock]

That one alt recipe needs like 250 screws a minute and belts can't even touch that number yet

[dense violet]

I guess? never looked into it. Another reason tier lists are worse than useless

[reef basin]

that's only for cases when you really want a specific recipe and you're looking for it
in all other cases it's better to pick from the two options

[dense violet]

with that recipe you can use Steel Screws and easily get there 🙂
also you can under clock machines to need less

[tidal dock]

never seen steel screws

[dense violet]

get more hard drives 🙂

[dense violet]

but yeah alt recipes are GREAT

have you made heavy modular frames yet?

[tidal dock]

are those different from modular frames?

[dense violet]

they are the next cube 🙂

[hybrid nymph]

Focus on what matters in the picture. Not what doesn't matter. I'm a naturally messy person and that's just the way it is

I was showing off my tattoos

[surreal canopy]

Yes. They are Borg cubes.

[dense violet]

the first 'big' thing people usually make

there's a few alt recipes that will reduce the Iron by 75% and coal/limestone by 50% very easily

[hybrid nymph]

Not my bedroom

[tidal dock]

I'm trying to make a better Versatile framework factory atm, I'm making like 1 per minute atm

[dense violet]

more machines 😄

[hybrid nymph]

Versatile frameworks are difficult to make

[tidal dock]

all these damn nodes around here are impure

[dense violet]

over clock the miners

[hybrid nymph]

I had five assemblers running creating them at maximum speed and It still took me like 2 hours to craft all of them for the space elevator

[reef basin]

not like it matters much

[hybrid nymph]

If you set up enough miners it doesn't matter

[tidal dock]

holy shit, FIVE hours for 1000 with a five assemblers...this is going to take me all year lol

[hybrid nymph]

Try overclocking the assemblers

You can create 12 per minute for each assembler

[reef basin]

most of the time you're limited by belt speed anyway

[hybrid nymph]

Which means that you can create 60 per minute with five assemblers

[reef basin]

depends what you want to post

if you have a question about something, use #1038092680493801533
if you have a math related query, #math-and-meta
if you want to talk about design, #design-and-architecture
if you want to share a pic of your base and have others look at it (without discussion), #screenshots
if you want to share fan art, #fan-art
for memes there's #satisfactory-memes
for non-meme offtopic things there's #off-topic-media

[hybrid nymph]

With five assemblers I was able to craft all the versatile frameworks in about 45 minutes

I'm assuming you're on Tier 4?

I am on tier 3 in my modded save and tier 8 in my unmodded save

[gloomy tusk]

my apologies comrade 🫡

[tidal dock]

Do you all start farming tickets as soon as you can or is that more of a late game thing? right now I'm just turning all the critters into tickets

[reef basin]

every production gets overflown to storage. Passive ticket income when storage is full

[stone quiver]

How would a player make conveyers go faster

[reef basin]

not faster

player should not merge screws onto a single conveyor

instead, make screws directly in front of the machine that needs them and hook it 1:1 (or 2:1 or 1:2 or whatever ratio fits nicely for given situation)

[cunning glade]

So what do I do if my friend can't join my world

[jaunty jewel]

on this topic the only recipe i can think of that would actually be a problem early is bolted iron plate but even then by the time you can use it you have mk3 belts and steel screw

[woven nebula]

What would be the average production for items in the later stage of the game. Im wanting to build either a modular factory or mega but not too sure what the item rates should be

[reef basin]

• would not recommend megafactory
• rates differ per person/build style/etc.

generally just build some small amount you need and if you keep running out, you add more

[woven nebula]

alr thankyou

[last bluff]

How bad do the tickets scale that Golden Nut is hard? They seem to increase somewhat consistently until ~900 at least

[reef basin]

not sure why would you need to specifically do megafactory for it

[stone quiver]

You trying to get golden nut in a few hours

Golden nut is just any phase 4/5 item + time.

I had like 4m/min points and got it in 2-3days? 30-40m+ would certainly work of course

Big or small automating a phase 5 is a good goal though , sometimes it's just a lot more clicks for big points #

I wish the store had more to buy

What do you mean

Isn't it just an unlock one time thing

[short fiber]

I swear doinf this 6x foundry BP almost made me die. That shi was an iq check and I nearly lost

Now I'm scared of the mk2 BP machine...

[dense violet]

put some foundries next to each other
belt and power them up
done

what was the issue?

[stone quiver]

Most of my blueprints are not just stamped rows of constructors etc. it's like 4x refinery 2 x assembler 1x constructor. Or 3x assembler , 2x manufacturer + conveyer. Refinery + 3 assembler + manufacturer..

Thats where it really helps

[cunning glade]

Could someone test joining my world perchance at this point I think it could be the world but that doesn't make any sense

[short fiber]

Ah yes true but I have something called A smooth brain

Like a koala

Anyway 720 steel ingot per minute

[reef basin]

"megafactory" in Satisfactory context is "building all production in single place"

it's a gameplay style, not size of a factory

(hence why they asked about "megafactory or modular")

yeah, different games, different definitions 🙂 (sometimes)

[mortal belfry]

what do you guys do when you beat the game?

[reef basin]

can you "beat" sandbox game? 🤔

[mortal belfry]

i mean like when you finish all the phases

[desert plover]

The phases / story ig

[reef basin]

well yeah that was kinda point of my message. Sandbox games just keep going even after you unlock all the things and you basically play until you get bored, setting up your own goals 🙂

[desert plover]

Or speedrun.net hosts some custom categories, à la "first automated [resource here] any%

Could go absolutely wild with that in Satisfactory

Mario Odyssey has some hilarious ones too

[stone quiver]

The phases are very easy to obtain , so it's more about what do you have fun solving and designing

Have you automated all phase 5, have you done all logistic and transport styles, have you tried uranium --> fisconium etc

[gloomy tusk]

What is ficsonium and is it good?

[desert plover]

Would be fascinating to have some stats, but I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of players doesn't produce power past Turbofuel

[cosmic adder]

How do i add blue print i downloaded? just into files?

[toxic lichen]

i would assume as much

[reef basin]

it's a way to make plutonium power wasteless

[stone quiver]

Turbo is very daunting for mid game

[gloomy tusk]

Not at all

[reef basin]

I wouldn't recommend TF for power 🤷

[gloomy tusk]

Rocket fuel isn’t even daunting it’s quite easy

[toxic lichen]

turbo fuel?

whats wrong with turbo e'-e'

[reef basin]

it's not nuclear

[toxic lichen]

oh

[desert plover]

Well, its easy

[reef basin]

diluted fuel is easier and gives you enough power to reach nuclear

[west aspen]

I rather burn up the atmosphere than use the magic green rock

[desert plover]

Don't tell me xD please read my original message again

[stone quiver]

Turbo is 3 refinery byproducts and sulfur which has limited availability , which is a significant step up from oil -> fuel and wheee

[desert plover]

I'm on Nitro Rocket Fuel, working on Ionized currently.

[gloomy tusk]

Nitro is so good

[stone quiver]

Yes nitro rocket fuel is a joke to produce

[desert plover]

Facts, its super satisfying too

[gloomy tusk]

It’s sad that when I produce the max the pipes can’t support it

[desert plover]

2 blenders, 66.6%, some refineries, done

[gloomy tusk]

I have 6 blenders making 3600 rf p/m

[desert plover]

Split it up more, fam!

[stone quiver]

So use 6-7 pipes.

[reef basin]

all that gen spam when you could build nuclear

[desert plover]

[stone quiver]

Rocket fuel rabbit hole so easy to chase tho

[desert plover]

I bet you that nitro rocket fuel is easier and quicker to set up

[reef basin]

nothing forces you to use a single pipe

[reef basin]

"easier" is subjective.

I don't find "build 500 gens" to be fun nor easy

[gloomy tusk]

Blender produces 800 p/m so I physically can’t

[gloomy tusk]

Blueprints are ez

[reef basin]

blueprints can be used for nuclear as well

[gloomy tusk]

Nuh

[desert plover]

Well I can tell you which production chain requires more preparation

Not subjective in that regard.

[gloomy tusk]

Anyway I gotta go bye guys

[reef basin]

preparation for both cases is "put it into a calculator" 😄

[reef basin]

mods?

[stone quiver]

No singular blender is doing 800 rf/min ... are you slooping it?

[reef basin]

even when slooped, it can do 750/min at most

[stone quiver]

[desert plover]

Not what I mean, but eh

[stone quiver]

Uranium is only like 5-6 ingredients. I just am too lazy rn. I'll do it soon. But ya, stamping out 100s of fuel gens is very boring

[sterile blade]

"Boring" is objective, so everyone agrees on that~

[cunning glade]

seeing tools didnt use this pisses me off now

[reef basin]

tools use whatever you select, or whatever is most weighted-resource-efficient from given options 🤷

[cunning glade]

actually nvm

10400 sulfur a min

[surreal canopy]

fuel gens and nuclear - why not both?

[toxic lichen]

why not all gens ;-;

[cunning glade]

that would leave me with 400 left on the map

[toxic lichen]

eat them

[cunning glade]

i dont think sulfur would taste good

[toxic lichen]

egg

[surreal canopy]

Sulfur farts worked though. You're the only one left on the planet alive.

[cunning glade]

I gave it 3900 oil so ye after looking closer the 15k rocket fuel is cool

But holy sulfur

Okay so it seems for phase 5 parts I only need 5300 aluminum a min not too bad actually

[toxic lichen]

moar

[cunning glade]

Wait no 4.2k i didn't select alts

[toxic lichen]

moar

[cunning glade]

I'll probs make more aluminum but

I think phase 5 part wise im happy

8 ai 4 warp 60 nuclear pasta and 10 bio

[toxic lichen]

i need to set up my aluminum production ;-;

but also need to sort out my fuel gen situation
rubber
plastic

so much stuff ;-;

[cunning glade]

And then I think I just sloop everything but the pasta

[surreal canopy]

Never. spaghetti must grow!

[cunning glade]

Actually I think I do more bio cuz that's only 2.5 ads

[toxic lichen]

the spaghetti cant grow
itll grow when i set those up ;-;

[surreal canopy]

Human resources, aka ADA, wants to have a chat with you. You are not being efficient.

[blazing verge]

yo how to download blueprints?

[reef basin]

(recommended to make your own instead of downloading)
#faq has info about folder location

[desert plover]

You probably need to enable it, as its an Alt Recipe

Just like Diluted Fuel

[cunning glade]

so like how do signals works cuz ig i dont remember

[toxic lichen]

one says nuh uh
thats all i remember

[reef basin]

block signals separate tracks into blocks
each block can only have one train
path signals allow multiple trains into a block if their paths don't cross, and don't allow train in if it cannot leave the block
signal cannot be passed backwards, unless there's backwards signal in same place

[cunning glade]

my main issue is signal loops itself my personal fav

[reef basin]

that's when block in front of the signal is the same as block behind the signal

[spark escarp]

Guys i did my first big factory (big in my eyes) 😄

[cunning glade]

idk what i did but i got it

[leaden turret]

[insert more meme here]

[cunning glade]

tho i think i wanted a path signal somewhere but oh well

[eternal island]

my friend said my factory is so dumb what should I do?

[spark escarp]

I failed the belt work unfortunately 😟

[leaden turret]

define "failed"

[versed mesa]

👋

[leaden turret]

#1201555265942724758 find new friends 😛

[spark escarp]

Belts everywhere.. Not really "oraganized"

I'll send some screenshots in #screenshots soon

[leaden turret]

embrace the spaghett https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q=spaghett AND belts

[spark escarp]

holy..

they all look so good 🤣

I feel i build like crap 🤣

When I take pics in the photo mode, where do they go?

[cunning glade]

okay i did it i added the path signals and nothing broke

[leaden turret]

#faq

[eternal island]

good idea

[wet idol]

Hey all

[cunning glade]

it seems big builds cause some bad fps drops unless im tripping

like 99th fps

[versed mesa]

We mite see the update later next month

[green fiber]

Yes thats a known thing with big builds

[cunning glade]

i wasnt aware

[green fiber]

Thats why the recommended way to play is "spread out"

[cunning glade]

well i would say i am

but im working on my 6450rubber and 3000 plastic a min factory

so its a tad large

[green fiber]

At some point a save may just become so large that you have bad performancs no matter what

[cunning glade]

im still running a solid 200 so im happy

[frail sleet]

performance is mostly determined by number of objects within X meters (spherical radius)

lots of item-filled long belts within X meters really set it off though because every item on the belt adds up

[cunning glade]

yeah flew away and no more bad drops

[versed mesa]

Mega factory 20 by 15 😂

[spark escarp]

#screenshots 🙂

[leaden turret]

smol

[cunning glade]

ight but now with that connected i can start on my 100 computers a min

[spark escarp]

hey man its my first ever "big" one 🤣

[versed mesa]

Giga factory 100 by 75 😂

[cunning glade]

i like that 1600 copper can turn into 4000

[versed mesa]

100 squares 1 way 75 other way 😂

[spark escarp]

omg.. the factory hasent even run for more than 5 minutes and ive already forgot to connect the most important conveyors

[versed mesa]

Here ms something no one has not done wonder how many floors would it take to fill the full map

From all corners of the map

[toxic lichen]

well

a floor is like
8mx8m isnt it?

[versed mesa]

I think so

[frail sleet]

yes so ballpark like 1 million

[leaden turret]

yeah, that happens a lot

[versed mesa]

1 million floors

[spark escarp]

thats funny 🤣

[versed mesa]

1 million floors is hella alot 😂

1 million floors then gives you minus 1 fps 😂

[reef basin]

at some point you stop counting fps and start counting spf

[versed mesa]

😂

[frail sleet]

dm'd you a few pics 😄

[versed mesa]

Ah shit I was going to ask what it means but its the same but backwards 😂

[versed mesa]

Good lord let's see

[spark escarp]

send me some pics also, i need inspiration 😄

[versed mesa]

@frail sleet hes beaten the world record 😂

So basically he sent me picture of his first build which is extremely long from one side of the map to the other and maybe almost using 400 million floors 😂

Think of it as Limo Size in dimension well it like thar on the map 😂

[cunning glade]

why do refinery's have too be so tall

[sleek halo]

Guys what do yall think abt blueprint v4?

[dense violet]

what is that?

[tall lantern]

it'd probably be bigger than a mk3, but smaller than a mk5

[sleek halo]

A bigger blueprint

[green fiber]

They ate well

[cunning glade]

just always gets in the way of my ideas

[sleek halo]

Btw do we know when 1.2 is release?

[oblique aspen]

probably from now to summer sometime

nothing more exact (yet)

[sleek halo]

k

[dense violet]

just break down the bp into 2 bps if you need it bigger

[hybrid nymph]

Just got to tier 4, I just setup a coal power plant with mods, I am currently generating 2000 MW #screenshots message

[dense violet]

git gud

[green fiber]

Have bigger ideas

[cunning glade]

i actually need too do the opposite

[cunning glade]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=Lrsl4sQ0Y24ZBDw0KspC current project not that big

[green fiber]

Big doesnt mean giant 10000/min productions.

Just bigger space

[cunning glade]

but i forget how much longer making a factory takes in this

[green fiber]

Account for size and leave room

[cunning glade]

oh i do

i just wanted too put my refs under my train line but too tall

[green fiber]

Squeezing refineries in random spots never works well. I always put them in their own area or on top of other stuff

Their tall smokestacks make for great top floor decor

[cunning glade]

no like its a separate platform it just would've fit nicely under my train line which is gonna go over the top floor cuz trains are gonna bring in the plastic and rubber

[hybrid nymph]

ahh satisfactory and a glass of wine, I feel like maximillion Pegasus from Yugioh

[cunning glade]

wow yeah im gonna need alot of space for this build holy

i only have what 100 refs done and already need a bigger platform

[tall lantern]

welcome to medium-scale building

[cunning glade]

I wouldn't say this is medium but 🤷

Id say large

548 buildings total so up there

[tall lantern]

yeah, I'd class that as medium. Maybe towards the higher end of it, but still medium

[nimble sluice]

Noticed that the map fog of war won't clear if I'm travelling in a vehicle, only while on foot, do I have to do anything in particular to get that working

I don't wanna explore on foot or have to get out of my Explorer every 30 meters to have the map actually clear up

[glacial drum]

There’s a building later that clears some in a radius if nothing else works

the fow has been a bit weird to me too

[nimble sluice]

yeah I'm almost certain it used to work in vehicles

[hybrid nymph]

What's Wynncraft?

[glacial drum]

It’s worked for me on and off.. I’m not sure what sets it off to clear on the map but I’ve had it work and then not randomly.. I never got the stuff fully cleared till I got that building

[hybrid nymph]

Is it like a WOW Minecraft server?

[nimble sluice]

it's been compared more to like, runescape

[hybrid nymph]

I did a lot of work today in this game.

[nimble sluice]

it's been going on for like over a decade now & it's getting a 2nd expansion soon

[hybrid nymph]

I completed Tier 4, and I'm now just working on the space elevator parts, which is going to take me a while

[glacial drum]

Same i finished like 20-30 hours of gameplay ago but I put off the parts to upgrade my older factories and over double my power plant

Now I’m finally ready to make parts..

[nimble sluice]

also I tried clearing the fog using satisfactory calculator but it gets stuck when trying to download the modified save file 😔

[hybrid nymph]

I set up my coal power, my reinforced iron plate factory, my wind turbines, and next is rotors, then I am going to setup the factory for the space elevator parts

[glacial drum]

Ohhh i read that as phase 4 oops

[glacial drum]

What tier are you in?

[hybrid nymph]

No worries 😁

Tier 4

[nimble sluice]

I'm doing phase 2 so tier 3 and 4

[hybrid nymph]

Hey we're on the same tier

I haven't even begun to craft the space elevator parts yet

[glacial drum]

You’re not too far off from getting that fog of war clearing building. it’s in || the MAM|| and takes tier 6 parts

I’d say for now maybe just try using map markers.. Obviously not the best idea but it’ll work and that’s what you need

[nimble sluice]

yeah that's not great

[cunning glade]

Fair it do only be computers and they be easy

Well more so simple

[toxic lichen]

it clears the FoW?

i didnt know that ;-;

[toxic lichen]

i collected like 200+ computers on my harddrive hunts

[cunning glade]

Thoose would last maybe 2 mins for me

[glacial drum]

When powered yep! Really nice to have but the build cost may be a tad expensive in tier 6

[cunning glade]

I think in total it's 180 computers a min

[toxic lichen]

e'-e'
why so much

[cunning glade]

For space ele stuff

[toxic lichen]

ahh
fair e'-e'

[cunning glade]

Nuclear pasta needs 60 a min

[toxic lichen]

oh ;-;

[cunning glade]

I think I use 84/m for the parts and then leaves me 14/m for building and etc

And then I'm making 20 supercomputers

Tho with making this near where I wanna make diamonds

I hope 2 tracks will be enough

Guess I could always make it a 4 track where needed

[meager basin]

I have a question for someone smarter than me. How would you approach problem of overflow when transporting components with a train, i want one wagon to load all of my components then unload them at station which has one freight platform.

I would then sort them, but if one type of component accumulates, then it would clog the whole system

I dont want to sink them either cause some of the components would be needed at next stations

[reef basin]

I'd do multiple cars and platforms

[leaden turret]

a) don't use one train, problem solved
b) overflow items to sink, problem solved

[meager basin]

thats what i thought, but 5 stations for 4 components (one output station) seems a bit redundant. But if its the only solution then i guess it will do

[zenith pecan]

I'm considering a transport train around the spire, the stations will be fun and games though due to their size and my lack of intention of carrying anything other than just myself.

[leaden turret]

c) do math to it

[meager basin]

and using one train with like 4 wagons is not permissible either cause i would need to specifically space out all of the station when those components are loaded 🙁

[reef basin]

you can still use one station, just multiple platforms

however personally I'd use one train for moving from A to B (and hence multiple trains for multiple routes)

[reef basin]

why not? that's what the "empty platform" is for

[meager basin]

but then when i would need to route these components to somewhere else i would need to space out that station too, right?

[reef basin]

that would be job for a different train (at least that'd be my recommendation)

or even better - build near nodes, then you don't need to transport components

[glacial drum]

251 hours and I’m just realizing i’ve never dealt with nitric or sulfuric acid yet

Alt recipes can cut half the resources out of existence

[marble gulch]

Best apps or website for factory planning?

[zenith pecan]

This one https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production , it's the gold standard!

[marble gulch]

Ty

[glacial drum]

I’ve really gotta learn to use that one. I’m getting tired of how buggy SCIM is on phone

[meager basin]

yeah but its unloading station have to be spaced the same way as its components loading station

[reef basin]

if it's separate train, it can have separate stations 🙂

[meager basin]

like for every component one unloading station? is that what you mean? then all the trains can be only one cart long

[reef basin]

for every train

so if a train goes from factory A to factory B and carries 3 different components, it will have 3 (or more, depending on required throughput) cars

[meager basin]

but then station A and B have to be 3 carts long, right?

[tall lantern]

sure

[reef basin]

yeah, where's the problem?

[meager basin]

Cause when i have like plastic loading station, then somewhere else computer station, then hmf station, and i would need all these components to get somewhere. and then those lets say computers would need to get to a second factory by different train. i would need to accomodate that those computers are allways and everywhere loaded/unloaded at the second station and i would need to assign every component its position. so if i would need to get lets say plastic which is loading position 8 and computers which are loading position 1. i would need train long 8 carts which 6 of them are being empty, used just as a spacer. and the stations would be much longer too. i hope i formulated this well english is not my primary language

i just have for every component its own station. mixing them would cause these problems so how do you approach this problem?

[reef basin]

me personally, I wouldn't use trains like that

I'd just make everything from scratch

see e.g. https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[zenith pecan]

I'd better hunt down some sloops that I missed, I'll be needing four of them to help run my upcoming portal station.

[meager basin]

yeah i know, but i had this conversation with someaone else here and we came to a conclusion that some complex parts should be transported

[reef basin]

but if you really want the trains like you said, you don't need to do the spacers at all, since each train will only run from A to B, so you don't have to have global indexes for each item type

[meager basin]

GLOBAL INDEXES THATS THE WORD!§§

[reef basin]

eh, "should" is a personal choice. Independency works on any scale

[meager basin]

yeah you do need that when you want trains longer than one cart

[reef basin]

not really. The train runs from A to B. You have X cars for X different resources. You don't care about other trains at all

[meager basin]

but then i need 4 different stations for one factory if i need 4 different components, right? or am i missing something

[reef basin]

depends how many different trains bring those components

but yeah, if it's from 4 different places, you need 4 stations

(or one and suffer through the sorting and resolving throughput issues)

[meager basin]

yeah, it sucks and i think i will just swallow those 4 stations. but thanks tho 🙂

[reef basin]

I mean you had other options presented, so when you get tired of train stations everywhere, you can get back to those 😛

[white dawn]

Keep in mind that doing a bunch of stations in parallel at a site can be quite straightforward, a la: #1456378960517533696 message

(Just one way to do it, of course, bit it's nice and clean)

[rancid condor]

There's a buggy terrain

[unkempt blade]

impossible, the map is a perfect work of pure genius

[rancid condor]

It was a problem with the save file
a bug that penetrates all terrain

[zenith pecan]

@reef basin I have to once again thank you for creating tools, Without it, my current plan for rebuilding in the dunes would have been a completely interconnected nightmare, Even with it, it's taking some serious planning 👍

After cross referencing eight different plans, I need to produce 127.5 computers 🤣

Lmao 1200 aluminium casings for the RCU stage, I'm suddenly glad I collected all the bauxite.

[cerulean dawn]

how come my train says “next stop is unreachable” despite being fully connected as i tested the railway myself

[reef basin]

can the locomotive dock in the station?

the leading locomotive needs to be able to dock into the station piece

[cerulean dawn]

theres plenty of room for it to

[reef basin]

so it can arrive from the correct direction?

so that the leading one docks

[cerulean dawn]

yes

[terse zephyr]

are there different rarities within the MAM research? Trying to get turbo fuel but I can't get it, got charcoal alternative like 6 times

[civic merlin]

Do you have all applicable prerequisites unlocked?

[terse zephyr]

sorry what is that?

[tall lantern]

base turbofuel is unlocked as an actual MAM unlock, not a drive scan

[terse zephyr]

no shot

[tall lantern]

(it still costs a drive, but it's not random)

[terse zephyr]

really

wow

[tall lantern]

has been for a long time

[terse zephyr]

what branch

[glacial drum]

Sulfur I believe?

[terse zephyr]

I feel weird now, thanks people

[zenith pecan]

I think I'd best get the coking plant in the canyon raised, the amount of caterium my rebuild is calling for is rather astounding.

[glacial drum]

How do you go about collecting the massive amounts of material you have? Did you just train all the bauxite to one plant?

[zenith pecan]

I actually belted it, via my tunnel network, hell I just completed my spire project, and already my plan calls for two thirds of the 6460 plastic produced there 🤣

[glacial drum]

Yea honestly belting seems like the best option. I’ve only ever setup 6-8 trains and never on the same track.. Would be a nightmare.

Nice to hear you got your sure done finally. Been hearing about it for a few days now and it seems monumental

[zenith pecan]

Trains are actually fairly refined tbh and can shift massive amounts of stuff, I'm just bad at setting them up, timing issues.

[reef basin]

Trains are fine on even way larger scale

[zenith pecan]

The project was quite involved, I will be building off one of the spires causeways into the canyon for the coke plant, I'm just finishing the connecting tunnel.

[glacial drum]

I’ve seen them be extremely useful but I’m absolutely not knowledgeable on them and all their signals

Might be time to watch a few videos

[reef basin]

It's very simple tbh, but can make very complex setups

[glacial drum]

I’ll definitely try to use them more if I run through the game again. I think I’ll stick to long belts for this play through, though.

[zenith pecan]

Trains scale up very well, add a car, thats a big chunk of capacity.

[glacial drum]

Once I get my bwd factory running it’s only a matter of time till I complete the final phase.

My biggest challenge with trains has been understanding their unloading/transporting of multiple freight cars of different materials. I’ve not used them for more than one material and I’m not sure how the docking and loading system works in the slightest.

Though, I haven’t looked into them at all tbf

I’ll definitely need some for my next playthrough probably in 1.2 especially for nuclear materials

[tall lantern]

easiest solution there is use different stations/platforms for different materials, don't try mixing

if you need two carriages of iron plates and one of modular frames via one train, then you just have one train, three platforms. If you then also need rubber and plastic, do that on another train with its own platforms

[zenith pecan]

I'm cleaning the dunes up while I'm at it, the containers that hold the outputs of the old factories are being moved down into an area of the tunnel network I named void storage.

[void cliff]

I believe turbofuel can be unlocked via hard drives “heavy turbofuel” before unlocking it in the sulfur tree if you find some turbofuel in the wild, but you still have to unlock it to unlock rocket and ion fuel

[neon forge]

i'm finally gonna get dimension depots set up again, god i missed those things so bad from my previous run LOL

[waxen locust]

@meager basin try placing it, that'll make a segment in the track, then place one on the other side. should fix the problem. it's one i've encountered alot.

You can dismantle after

[zenith pecan]

My void storage uses temp depots to allow me to use the stuff my old factories produced, but If I get the rebuild wrong haha, it will be a complete pain, never dismantle to rebuild then procrastinate, it stuffs everything up.

[meager basin]

works very nice, thank you

[waxen locust]

glad I could help

[zenith pecan]

Gotta be kidding me, found a mercer sphere that I've already looted twice, but there it is, back up again!

[waxen locust]

i believe this is just a bug on Experimental

[zenith pecan]

I'm not on experimental.

[waxen locust]

oh, interesting. report the sphere and location on the feedback site

[mossy finch]

hey could anyone help me cuz i cant find a solution anywhere, i have 2 saves in my folder, but the game only shows 1 when i go to Load

[waxen locust]

one is most likely a backup save of that save.

[mossy finch]

no its not, i had 2 worlds, my older bigger save is just not showing, but it is in the files

[zenith pecan]

Hard to miss it too, it's right near the southeastern most oil well in the spire.

[waxen locust]

well if you're exact about it, more likely they are to fix it.

[waxen locust]

interesting. just to be sure. they are both in the same location right?

[mossy finch]

yeah, localappdata factorygame saved savegames

[waxen locust]

not in there own folders?

(good if they arn't to be clear)

only thing I can think of, after that. is reloading the game. Otherthan that, I'm not sure how else to help

[mossy finch]

hm, i think i see the problem? one save doesnt have the steamCould file in it?? and the game doesnt see it

[waxen locust]

steam cloud file in it? how would it have it IN the save?

[mossy finch]

in the folder of the save

there is a file called steam_autocloud

and in the other there isnt for some reason

[waxen locust]

the saves dont go into individual folders. They all go into the savegames folder.

[mossy finch]

in savegames folder, in individual folders

[waxen locust]

thats why the game can't see it.

take them out the individual folders.

[tall lantern]

the specific path you're looking for is something like C:\Users\blahblah\AppData\Local\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames\12345678

where the numbers'll be your steam ID or something

[mossy finch]

i know, in the savegames THERE ARE 2 folder of diffrent saves

[tall lantern]

then move them out of that other folder

[mossy finch]

and i dont know

[waxen locust]

oh, then one is in the epic games launcher folder. and one is on your steam profile ID folder

[zenith pecan]

Lol, I forgot I had a very basic rubber & plastic setup sitting in the canyon, no overflow sink or anything.

Right, time to plan the causeways etc 🤣

[waxen locust]

so, more than likely. the one that has steamcloud. in the folder is the one that you can access with steam. and the otherone is in your epicgames folder. Move the one without into the one with.

[mossy finch]

oh, it works? thank youu
i didnt specify but the other save was played like 20h on cracked version, and i bought the game a few days ago and my old save didnt work from the cracked version

[reef basin]

yeah you shouldn't specify that anyway, piracy talk is forbidden here (obviously)

[waxen locust]

well, atleast you bought and own the game now. Still not a good idea to mention you play on an illegal copy.

[mossy finch]

i didnt have enough money then and i just wanted to test the game, and in poland the game is PRICEY asf

[waxen locust]

again. pricey or not. You're telling the devs in their own discord you illegally obtained their game XD very bad idea.

[mossy finch]

maybe, but a lot of people play the game cracked, not everyone has the money to buy a game, where there are other needs in life yn

[tall lantern]

alas, not an excuse

[waxen locust]

I doubt alot of the people here play it cracked. and as greeny mentioned. it's forbidden.

even more so, the people who do, don't mention it cause. 1 it's illegal. 2 you're slapping the devs in the face. 3 the discord doesn't allow it

[mossy finch]

yeahhh i know

[waxen locust]

so why mention it lmao- you risk being banned saying you do/did XD

the self report is crazy

[mossy finch]

honestly

idc that much if they want to do it

would be funny to me but okey

i guess

[waxen locust]

clearly. you already broke the law being obtaining the game without buying it.

[mossy finch]

law here or law as in real life law?