satisfactory

[queen slate]

thats smart ill do that thx

[reef basin]

or just... use the original value for math? 😛

[queen slate]

how many decimal points do i go back lol

[reef basin]

3 gens eat 12.5

[ornate saffron]

for example for rocket fuel, a 240% Overclock makes the generator use 10 fuel a minute

[near stratus]

Chat do i bite the bullet and start a new playthrough?....

[queen slate]

so i need 288

[queen slate]

ill use this thx

i never know how many decimal points to go back since in game it rounds up

[near stratus]

No. I must commit

[reef basin]

game doesn't round anything, just for the UI, but it uses the real numbers

[queen slate]

ah ok

[near stratus]

Okay, first thing, how do i unfuck my plastic/Rubber production? They are both linked to trucks that carry the resourses to my modular engine and computer factory

Im using the recycled rubber alternate recipie, which im starting to realise is causing me a lot of trouble

[ornate saffron]

you could just leave it and make another setup specificly for rubber and plastic. elsewhere.

[stoic laurel]

feed the excess rubber and plastic into the sink?

[night lotus]

im so scared why can i make 17000 rocket fuel with like 1 oil per minute

[near stratus]

Hmmm thats true, id have to find a new oil filed because im using both that i know of. One is for my petrolium powerplant so thats not gonna work...

[queen slate]

bro is using the secret alt recipe

[versed cosmos]

ive heard pipeline floor holes reset headlift is this still the case?

[night lotus]

exaggerated for effect

[ornate saffron]

find a nice oil patch go to tools tell it how much oil you have and the recipies you wish to use and start fresh. from that youll have the output numbers for the rubber and plastic and build a train network to move them. and make it part of teh build

[near stratus]

I guess that would be the best option...

[ornate saffron]

the first three oil locations that come to mind is Blue crator, West coast and the spire coast

[near stratus]

I have no clue what those are lol

[ornate saffron]

you can use the interactive map to see all of the oil locations though. there is one not far from the desert center left

[near stratus]

Can you link me the webiste?

[ornate saffron]

#math-and-meta pins

[near stratus]

Ah, thank you

[ornate saffron]

Satisfactory calculator

[near stratus]

Im already using that

ALSO THERE IS A SECOND PURE OIL NODE NEAR MY PETROLIUM PLANT THAT I DIDN´T NOTICE PRAISE BE

[ornate saffron]

praise the ducking sun

[near stratus]

Im gonna dedicate this one soley to plastic because i honeslty have to much rubber lol

And if i do need more rubber there are filty impure and normal nodes i can resort to

[stray summit]

gyus guys i need help #design-and-architecture

[nova ridge]

there should be shoes to slide on train rails

[ornate saffron]

they are called train ^_^

[nova ridge]

ill take mini train shoes

[fast ruin]

any idea how i could have a train split it's cargo? like stop at a station, drop some but not all of material and then drop the rest to another station?

[ornate saffron]

like jackie chans mini water ski's

[stray summit]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-spin-sha-gif-26863370

[ornate saffron]

use multiple freight cars. and put the empty plateform that matches at each station

Station A unloads freight car 1 station B unloads freight car 2

[fast ruin]

can't do it with one car? cause i'm out of space near station

[rugged fiber]

Far as I know there is no "setting" that lets a partial unload happen short of the unload station NOT being empty

[ornate saffron]

I couldnt say... I build one train per part

[reef basin]

there's always vertical space

[ornate saffron]

I think any answer you seek may require much conversation and details. So perhaps make a post in #1038092680493801533 as this is a poor forum for that

[rugged fiber]

that would be a nice addition to the table empty 1/4 at station x and then the rest at station y

[nova ridge]

ugh i need some train help

[rugged fiber]

pertaining to what part of trains?

[nova ridge]

path signal before a split and block signal after a split? block signals further down to line to seaprate areas?

[ornate saffron]

search #1038092680493801533 iif the answer isnt there make a new post ^_^

[reef basin]

you can start with just block signals everywhere

[rugged fiber]

I used ChatGPT to help me figure that out Poro 🙂

[nova ridge]

lol

[reef basin]

that's the worst thing you could do

[rugged fiber]

well my trains work so W/E

[reef basin]

the thing that it "works" doesn't mean it's built well

or that it will continue to work

[rugged fiber]

the biggest thing that happened is I understand WHERE to place the block signals

[reef basin]

everywhere

[nova ridge]

oh figured it out

[white beacon]

12 water extractors is enough for 32 coal plants right or did I mess up my math somewhere?

[nova ridge]

dumb me. trainstation was backwards

[rugged fiber]

ops

[nova ridge]

it can be hard to tell soemtimes

[spare cradle]

It took me 4 hours to construct a 480min compact coal factory

[nova ridge]

doesnt doesnt seem like time well spent

[rugged fiber]

i look for the arch of the station name cause looking at that orange arrow can mislead you depending on the angle

[near stratus]

Crystal occelators suck :(

[ornate saffron]

mark 1 pipes?

[nova ridge]

thats what happenbed. wonder if i made the same mistake at the pick up point. time to head over

[white beacon]

Yeah

[spare cradle]

It was not with me also making blueprints and hard drives and other things else than that factory... But it is was I left on

[white beacon]

I'm realizing how severely I've fucked up now

[nova ridge]

yup backwaords at pick up too

[ornate saffron]

then yes. Yopu need 180 water for ever 4 generators

[rugged fiber]

Better late then never 🙂

[white beacon]

I feel like I'm not getting enough flow from the pipes though, the generators towards the middle of the loop are flickering a lot

[nova ridge]

i guess luckily the world isnt infinite

[ornate saffron]

i try to always fill generators from above and to completely fill the pipes before adding the coal. it seems to help with fluid issues

[nova ridge]

i do wish i could see the rails i built on the minimap

[white beacon]

I did that and they just devoured it all in minute or so

[ornate saffron]

if you play on pc youi can upload your save to The interactive map and see the insanity

[white beacon]

At least I have plentiful coal

[spare cradle]

Go use the interactive map

[rugged fiber]

guessing you are feeding it from multiple places not just flowing into a main line

[nova ridge]

how

[ornate saffron]

i dedicate one pipe line for every to water extractors leading to four generators

so i merge the two extractors then send that one pipe to the four generators.

[ornate saffron]

the SAtisfactory Calculator and interactive map pinned in #math-and-meta there is a upload button in the interactive map GUI

[rugged fiber]

I do something like I ----------I and feed it from both ends and so it has a constant flow from both directions

[near stratus]

How do i tell what alt recepies i have unlocked?

[nova ridge]

ah. what if its a map my friend is hosting

[rugged fiber]

he can send u the sav

[ornate saffron]

ask him to send him a copy of the save

[white beacon]

Right thats where I've messed up then, I could DM you the setup I've got if that'd help or something and your ok with it

[rugged fiber]

the sav is pretty small in most cases if u have him DM u the file

[reef basin]

look in codex, or in machine recipe selection

[near stratus]

👍

[ornate saffron]

best to put it in #1038092680493801533 ill comment if i have time. Thats if you havent already solved it

[white beacon]

Ah gotcha, thank you

[ornate saffron]

in the meantime there is this

!wikisearch cg

[dim spoke]

Should I manually add some stuff ready for all of my factories

[ornate saffron]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[rugged fiber]

Sometimes if the middle is flickering turn them on standby untill they are FULL then turn back on sometimes that will cure the issue

[dim spoke]

cuz like assemblers are showing yellow very often

[near stratus]

-# Where´s the codex...? i thought i knew but i don´t... 😅

[dim spoke]

and waiting for stuff

[rugged fiber]

press o

[reef basin]

that's like... the second thing you do in this game

[near stratus]

Well i forgor

[rugged fiber]

hurry up and wait OH boy that is truck driver talk right there LOL

[ornate saffron]

it happens. Take the knowledge and run with it ^_^

[dim spoke]

but should I pre fill my assemblers

[reef basin]

why are you asking us? 😛

[white beacon]

Y'know

[dim spoke]

my machines are showing yellow and a 10/min factory is making 8/min

[white beacon]

It'd really help if half my damn extractors were actually connected to the grid

[rugged fiber]

yellow means it is starved for parts or is backed up and it sounds like u need a better supply feed

[dim spoke]

ive gone thru everything and theyre clocked as they should be

[reef basin]

if they are connected via manifold, are all machines filled (all but last two?)

[dim spoke]

huh?

[reef basin]

which part of the message are you confused by?

[dim spoke]

manifold

[reef basin]

--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |

[dim spoke]

yes they are like that and yes there are machines that are filled

[tropic juniper]

When a machine doesn't have enough parts it shuts down and then it takes a second to start up again when it has enough items. There's a spin up period where it eats power but does nothing

[hexed hazel]

I like tractors. There I said it

Theyre faster than trucks and less annoying to build than trains for smaller items

[tropic juniper]

It's often better to have less machines with perfect ratios

[dim spoke]

should i just pause this factory, 100% empty it and start it again so itll not have overflow

[reef basin]

no, overflow doesn't matter

[dim spoke]

i have perfectly setup these

according to the calculator

[tired cypress]

what's with inconsistent radiation? suddenly getting radiation warning in a factory that's been there for a long time, discover a bunch of spicy rocks in a cave below it. don't bother to remove them, next day the warning is gone?

[fluid crow]

maybe radio active hog or something

[rugged fiber]

put them on stand by until they are all FULL of required parts and start from the far end and turn em on again, best i can think of without seeing it

[reef basin]

eh, not really much reason to fill machines like that

[rugged fiber]

trying to get the 8/min back to 10/min or grab the part w/e and manually slap it full IDK belt speeds etc

[tardy fjord]

where would I go to post terrain bugs?

[dim spoke]

oo i think this did work

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @sullen gull

[queen slate]

just finished building my rocket fuel factory but how do ye turn your miners on ik its a weird q

[fading whale]

Wdym? Hook them up to power?

[queen slate]

like do you connect all your miners to 1 line then connect it or run around connecting them at the start

[queen slate]

yh

[fading whale]

If you have nothing near by, put up some coal or a bio burner.

You need somekind of power to start up 🙂

I get it now. So I usually just power the miners. Let them fill up the pipes. when full, power up the next step of the production line.

[queen slate]

did you let your machines fill up when u made yours

ah ok ty

[fading whale]

Before I had even put down a single fuel gen, I had all pipes filled up right down to the rocket fuel it self.

[queen slate]

wow

[fading whale]

Ofcourse, this requires you to have enough power beforehand to run the whole setup.

[ornate saffron]

I{ use power tower/ Power Pylons to transfer power over larghe distances. then i go from towers to a priority switch. Then the power priority switch to the Factory/Powerplant and all its supported machines

[queen slate]

#screenshots message ill make a shell later

[fading whale]

Nice. How much rocket fuel?

[queen slate]

never used a priority swtich before they good?

[queen slate]

only 1200

[fading whale]

That's not nothing 🙂

[queen slate]

my problem is i like making power more than i like making factories to use the power yk 😄

[fading whale]

Oh I get it. Spent waaay too much time on my fuel 😂

[queen slate]

i needed 360 power slugs used majority of my supply

time to colour code

now that i think about it i shouldve kept some fuel for my jetpack lmao

[fading whale]

If you have an idea of what colors you want, you can save a lot of time, if you just change default color during construction.

RF in jetpack is fun as fudge!

[ornate saffron]

they let you segment your power grid up. This tells the system what shut downs in the event of a fuse being blown. for example my starter factopry turns off first. leaving the rest of my factories running

[sharp shore]

hi

[queen slate]

wow cool thanks

[queen slate]

hello

[sharp shore]

hru

[queen slate]

i little tired but happy overall

hbu?

[fading whale]

Also lets you remote power on/off a grid.

[ornate saffron]

it is a option but not something ive used.... yet. I think i will this save though

[wispy osprey]

Why must setting up a new debit card take so long

Guhhh

I need a break

[sharp shore]

bored

[queen slate]

so people dont go around to different banks raking up debt transfering them to an account in some weird country with little laws changing their name then repeating the process

prob not what you wanted to hear but just my guess

[wispy osprey]

Yea but my holder didn't have to lock me out for attempting to setup my new card on services I need to pay for

[queen slate]

ye thats just bad customer service i wanna say

[wispy osprey]

Google is also being an asshat with my address right now

Again for no actual reason

[ornate saffron]

ive never had issues i just walk in and ask for one or use the request butrton on my banks website.... But maybe thats a Canadian thing.... We dont have venmo here either as its juist part of our banks system and doesnt cost anything extra

[queen slate]

love canada

[wispy osprey]

Anyway back to the game, I'll try updating the rest of my services later

[wispy osprey]

Getting the new card was easy, updating 50 services isn't

[queen slate]

never been but its my 2nd fav country idk why lol

[fading whale]

I will always blame Canada.
But I love Canada.

[queen slate]

blame it for what being the 2nd best

[wispy osprey]

I like their flag

[fading whale]

Just look up "South Park - Blame Canada"

I'm old.

[unborn moss]

They're not even a real country anyway

[fading whale]

I was just humming that to my self and then looked at the screen 😄

[tired cypress]

cannuck here, can confirm we don't exist eh

[queen slate]

why are most south park songs bangers

[fading whale]

And yet still a great place to visit. Been there twice.

[queen slate]

youve convinced me im living there

[fickle oriole]

doggos seem to wander away almost immediately after taming. I've built a pen, but they wander away before I even get to it. Do y'all build pens right where the taming happened? If not, how to get them to stick with you

[queen slate]

im sorry i know next to nothing about doggos

Someone pick any colour

[fading whale]

Lilac

[queen slate]

ok

[queen slate]

#screenshots messageis this right?

[fading whale]

Bad light to say for sure. But it's basically a "light purple".

🟪 'ish

[queen slate]

k

#screenshots message i think this is better but its still not perfect

what should i name them

[fading whale]

It's in between purple and pink. So maybe a few steps brighter.

The trains?

[queen slate]

well only 1 but them is a gender neutral pronoun

and yes

[fading whale]

MF
Because "Choo Choo MF!"

[queen slate]

ok should i just abreviate it?

[fading whale]

I usually name after the resource they're carrying, or the route they are taking.

[queen slate]

my other one is called thomas it gives the trains more personality

[fading whale]

Makes it easier to see what's what when making schedules and looking at map.

[queen slate]

and when it breaks you can say flips sakes thomas

[dim spoke]

what does a blue light mean on a machin

[fading whale]

It's overclocked.

[queen slate]

i thought it meant it needs more input

like its not running always it turns off and on

[fading whale]

Yellow = Idle / Not enough input / output full
Red = No power and/or no recipe
blue/white'ish = overclocked

[queen slate]

ah mb

[fading whale]

Big Alice.
Watch Snowpiercer 😉

Or No. 4014 Big Boy.
One of the biggest steam engines in the world.

[queen slate]

i have but it was a while ago

i vividly remember the flying dutchmen 'boss' in forza horizon 4

the orchestra did a good job

[nova ridge]

#screenshots message

what does this mean? with the impure normal pure

[queen slate]

impure does 30/m normal 60/m and pure 120/m

[nova ridge]

it doesnt tell me what it is tho?

why does it have 2 dots for impure, 3 fo rnormal and 1 for pure

[fading whale]

It's a resource well. You need a Pressurizer (instead of an Oil Extractor). Next to this, there are small "holes". These can be either impure, normal or pure and you put a Resource Well Extractor on those.

[nova ridge]

ah i see

oh i need radio control unit

[mortal ginkgo]

Impure Limestone Node is best. Jfyi.

[fading whale]

It's like an oil pit. But with multiple outputs.

[queen slate]

ofc

[mortal ginkgo]

#zerobias

[queen slate]

lol

[dim spoke]

why is it so impossible to get a factory to work

always something showing yellow

[golden nexus]

skill issue

[fading whale]

Yellow doesn't have to bad 🙂 (unless it's a power generator)
Just means you're not running at 100% efficiency.

[queen slate]

usually its just my manifolds filling up

or i forgot 1 tiny conyeyer

[dim spoke]

some places are empty and some places are full

;-;

[fading whale]

Then you just need to fill up the places that are empty, and empty the ones that are full. Easy.
Make and spend more.

[dim spoke]

they just go back to that at some point

[fading whale]

That's where the skill comes in 🙂
And it's just a matter of time in the game. Don't worry about it. You'll get there.

What I mean is, don't let it stress you.

[golden nexus]

we would need to see the full picutre to understand whats happening

[fossil wraith]

how does the game decide when to spawn animals

[sullen gull]

They are also good for being able to turn things on and of from Across anywhere

[fossil wraith]

i mean they dont spawn on my base so they dont spawn in some conditions

i want to prevent them from spawning on my second place

[sullen gull]

So long as there is nothing powered buillt near the spawn, they will spawn

[fossil wraith]

thanks

[fading whale]

There's a timer. Don't know what it is. And they usually won't span if you are in the area (after killing them).

And yeah. A powered building keeps them away permanently.
Except the bean bags. They just walk like they own the place 😑

[sullen gull]

And the boids! 😛

[fossil wraith]

do power towers count?

[fading whale]

Pretty sure no.

[sullen gull]

I believe it need to be a machine

[fossil wraith]

whats bean bag

[sullen gull]

Steve

[fossil wraith]

oh i understood

[sullen gull]

!wikisearch bean

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=bean

[reef basin]

Space Giraffe-Tick-Penguin-Whale Thing

[fossil wraith]

also do the leaves and trees grow back when a cut them?

[white dawn]

Unpowered buildables can also block spawns, btw, just takes more of them

[reef basin]

No

[ornate saffron]

fun fact. Beans still have collision after death. so you can still bounce on them

[fading whale]

Nope. Permanent environmental disaster. Just like ADA prefers it.

[fossil wraith]

thats perfect for me

[white dawn]

Everything you build has a score which contributes to nearby spawn-disables. Sufficient building will prevent spawns even without power. (But yeah, powered buildings contribute more)

[fading whale]

It has been known to come back sometimes after patches. Something happens and the terrain gets reset. And now you have a tree in your factory.

Probably not the best channel to announce this 😇

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-19787475173016375

[fossil wraith]

i dont think anybody cares right

[fading whale]

Except maybe the people working at CCS who are also in here?

[white dawn]

Moderators care, yes. This is an official discord

[vale solstice]

also dont do that? LMAO

[sullen gull]

🤷‍♂️ I care. They worked hard to create a beautiful game and deserve their gains

[leaden turret]

from context I'm going to guess someone outed themselves as a pirate?

[queen slate]

My friend got it in our steam family my near 100 hours thanks him

[queen slate]

I thought beans were gonna 1 shot me when I first saw them

[mortal ginkgo]

They oneshot my patience thats for sure

People who also do not tap on impure limestone nodes do test my patience.

But I am a forgiving node. I know they will ask for me one day.

[golden nexus]

i just split you and mix you with a normal node

[fading whale]

"Stoop poking me!" (original Warcraft Orc sound)

[versed totem]

Are there new map isseus in the dunes? i have large sections that you just fall through the world

[fading whale]

Shouldn't be any large sections. A few holes here and there.
Sure you're not just stepping off the edge?

[queen slate]

Thank you o wise noble node bless us with your limestone for us to make concrete foundations and equality in life

[cunning glade]

#screenshots message does this game scale like this with CPU preformace

[zenith sage]

Does 1 freight platform can both unload and then load stuff? Or should I have like.. 2 platforms and each train should have 2 cars, one for loading one for unloading?

[queen slate]

I think each one has to either load or unload

[versed totem]

Fixed it by restarting the game. Thanks

[fading whale]

No clue.
I have a Ryzen 7 5800X and maxing out at 80% CPU. Don't know what score that would be.

[fading whale]

It's one or the other. They can't do both.

[cunning glade]

Ight my friend was saying the game should scale similarly but I wasn't sure so 🤷

[zenith sage]

Two freight platforms it is then

[mortal ginkgo]

yes but make sure to bring some water yo, I be like wet concrete then!

[fading whale]

Alternatively, if you don't want a longer train), you can have two stations right after each other. First one unloads. Next one loads.

[queen slate]

I shall dedicate a shine to your holiness post haste

[zenith sage]

What would be the benefits of that? 🤔

[fading whale]

None or plenty. It's just another option.

[slender terrace]

Can I use Lighting Switches between power generation and overall power? Or does it require the lights have their power isolated from the rest of the systems?

[fading whale]

The switch gets power from the grid. The lights get power from only the other side of the switch.

[sullen gull]

You can also clap to turn lights on and off 😏

[mortal ginkgo]

Using actual lights in this day and economy, I kek

[fading whale]

I get what you mean now. Yes, yuu can run construction buildings from the same powercable as the lights. Only the lights turn on and off.

Please don't though. Thought makes me sad.

[queen slate]

You should be able to sleep through night the night means you can’t see your beautiful factories (not mine) unless they neon

[sullen gull]

Everyone should have a power distribution room: #design-and-architecture message 😏

Whoops, didn't mean to reply lol. But I guess it works

[mortal ginkgo]

bro got power switch for my own apartment irl

[leaden turret]

https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q="night time" AND ("signs as lights" OR lights) AND architecture

[queen slate]

Ty ❤️

[oak nymph]

I need to build 42 assembler wth

[sullen gull]

Overclock..... 😏

[golden nexus]

This is normal #screenshots message

[fading whale]

At least 42 is a good number.

[reef basin]

that's pretty low

[oak nymph]

No it's 42.667

[sullen gull]

Then 43

[golden nexus]

what are you making?

[oak nymph]

After that I need to build 71.111 refinery wtf

[fading whale]

In that case, you broke the game and are unfit to use a computer.

[reef basin]

I mean... that's normal in the game

[oak nymph]

Turbofuel powerplant

[fading whale]

Joking aside. A bit of over- or under-clocking here and there, is the best way to get rounded numbers.

[golden nexus]

compacted coal?

[dim spoke]

making an independant adaptive control unit factory does not seem fun 😓

[oak nymph]

Yeah 1066coal + 1066 sulfur

[golden nexus]

if you round it up theres things to do wit the "change"

[oak nymph]

What?

I won't round it when it's time to build I will underclock to exact number

[golden nexus]

You spill the overflow and make black powder with it

[oak nymph]

I could but I won't have a lot of overflow

[golden nexus]

you don't need a lot....

[fading whale]

I'm not using a single manufacturer for my TF. But I'll trade you 86 blenders 😂

[oak nymph]

I only use 16 blender and no manufacturer

[fading whale]

Oh you said assemblers. My bad.
Pff.. Assemblers are easy to blueprint 😃

[spice spindle]

sigh i got my turbofuel factory built and functioning... now I just unlocked the alt turbofuel recipe. time to rebuild 💀

[fading whale]

You haven't unlocked Turbo Blend Fuel yet?
I picked that one to avoid compacted coal.

[oak nymph]

No I haven't

[sullen gull]

And have it chomp down on way more sulfur

[fading whale]

Always a balance.

[sullen gull]

Personally I hate the TF and RF alts. I'm stingy with sulfur though. And, with using compacted coal, it's easy enough to have to make less when you feed the CC byproduct back in.

[spice spindle]

do I have to be in a certain phase to unlock it?

[sullen gull]

Tier 7 min

[spice spindle]

Oh I see it now

[fading whale]

You unlock recipes through MAM research (need harddrives). You need to have unlocked everything that is needed (machines and resources, specifically the Blender in this case) for the recipe to becoma available for research.

[spice spindle]

oh I have no blender yet rip

[sullen gull]

Yeah, they come in T7

[fading whale]

My TF setup makes 3360.
Using Turbo Blended Fuel, I need 1680 sulfur.
If I use standard recipi in refinery and use assemblers to make compacted coal, I need 2688 sulfur.

[reef basin]

Personally I hate TF branch, I'd just stay at normal fuel

[fading whale]

I skipped TF as such and went straing to Rocket Fuel. But TF is needed on the way 🙂

[sullen gull]

I don't ever make TF on it's own. I always go straight to RF

[sullen gull]

I mean, it's not if you use the RF alt

[reef basin]

By "TF branch" I mean anything after that as well, so TF, RF, IF

[sullen gull]

Erm, you also would rather the game on "hard mode" as well 🤷‍♂️

[reef basin]

?

[fading whale]

But skipping TF for that means you need almost double the sulfur 🙂

So pretty sure I'm not wrong when I say it always about balancing.
You want to use more of one thing or more of another?
And you're the one who doesn't want to waste sulfur 😉

[silver ocean]

Anyone 21+ want to play? Looking to run through the game on console NA

[sullen gull]

In the sense that there seems to have been a a few things, whether they were a "bug" that was requested back (HT cannons), or a couple other things (unless trolling for the luls) that you seem to have negative attitudes about.

[sullen gull]

!lfg

[raven axle]

Hello there totally awesome user! You can checkout https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/1201555265942724758 and check the pins on how to find folks to play with. <3

[sullen gull]

I mean, yeah, ofc. Was just saying it "could be" 😛 ... And, I am making 7000RF, only using 2660 of sulfur.

If I recall, with the alts, it would have been like 4k or something

[fading whale]

Anywho. Getting late. Need the sleeps.

[sullen gull]

And @reef basin that wasn't meant to be a criticism (Though in hindsight it may have come off that way, for which I apologize). Just making a statement is all.

[fading whale]

Using the recipes I picked, making 7000 RF would cost me 2100 sulfur.
So Turbo Blended Fuel "chomp down way more sulfur" does not add up.

[sullen gull]

? ..... #screenshots message

[short fiber]

Are the alternet recipes limited by the a mount of hard drives or is there another way to get them?

[sullen gull]

And, using the TF blend alt, requires more oil

[golden nexus]

theres more drives than recipies

[sullen gull]

I am making 7000 with 1890 oil. Making 7000RF with TF blend alt would need 2560

[short fiber]

Oh tg. I was scared by picking some I might have locked myself out of getting the better alts (screws my enemy)

[fading whale]

That's nitro rocket fuel. We were talking about Turbo Fuel. Turbo Blended Fuel. And from TF to RF.

[eager kindle]

aernt the rest of the drives used for inventory expansions?

[sullen gull]

So, you're right and I was wrong, the TF blend alt isn't worse on sulfur. It was oil 😛

[golden nexus]

no there only 2? i think which do inventory expanstion

Btw. I have a save with all recipies unlocked... do they do "stop"

they did it this way incase they added a recipie later

[golden nexus]

just learn to embrace screws. You have to deal with quickwire anyway

[sullen gull]

Oh, and still wrong, takes 2625 oil

[fading whale]

I'm only pushing it because
1: you said no to it always being about balancing where you've just confirmed that it is a matter of picking one resource over another.
2: Rocket Blended Fuel takes up more sulphur. It does not.

Does it take a lot of oil? Yes. But that was never a discussion.
Are you the better player using the best recipes? Probably. But also not a discussion.

[golden nexus]

real players run it on limestone rather than sulpur 😛 #screenshots message

[sullen gull]

Firstly, I just showed you that RF blend takes twice the amount of sulfur. Secondly, You're right, 500 more sulfur is much better than needing 762 more oil. And, I already conceited that I was wrong on the sulfur for TF alts, so, not sure what you're on about.

[fading whale]

Yeah, but @mortal ginkgo told us not to poke him.

[golden nexus]

but thats how bonkers it can be, i ran out of sulphur (i was to lazy to setup the logestics for it) so ran it on the sam + limestone + sloop

[hybrid nymph]

I just found out a way to save scum hard drives. Simply save The game right before starting the hard drive scan and if you don't like the result exit the game back to the main menu then use the instant scan to re-roll the hard drive to get the desired recipe you want

Cool I will start doing that

[sullen gull]

Hax!

😏

[golden nexus]

You can find hard disks faster than you can scan them 😛

[hasty furnace]

hi :D

i havent played the game since early access build, did they make the spiders less scary since then

thx! thats all i wanted to know

[fading whale]

But there is a setting now to make them non-aggressive 🙂

[fluid crow]

there's an un-scary spider mode

[fading whale]

Yeah, no. The Kittens are worse.

[sullen gull]

I thought you were heading to sleep 🤣

[fading whale]

There's a wind-down period.

I quit the game. It's a start.

[sullen gull]

Lol, ok ok, I feel that 😛

[golden nexus]

this is not in your ficsit contract

[fluid crow]

got to choose between spiders or killing kittens

[sullen gull]

Or enabling AGS and disabling them completely.

[gloomy tusk]

Mistra

[fading whale]

There's a contract?

[gloomy tusk]

#1459706173317189808 can anyone try and help

[dim flint]

Anyone have a cute scheme for starting a uranium drone network before the first cells are produced? I don't mind an initial manual feed, but I hate how when the first fuel type is going to expire before a round trip, it doesn't know to trash it and fill with the port's fuel.

[golden nexus]

Just throw in a single uranium rod

Or packaged fuel....

[dim flint]

I guess I can do that, since I have a local uranium node.

throwing in packaged fuel causes the problem I descibed though.

[golden nexus]

So you can bootstrap a plant by hand feeding an industrial container load, often from the demensional depot to get the first rods out btw

[dim flint]

You might end up with a drone stranded at one of the mining sites.

Wait, you can put nuclear stuff in the depot... including the ore? Interesting.

[golden nexus]

Drons always carry the fuel for the return trip with them...

[golden nexus]

yes 🙂

[dim flint]

You're not understanding the issue.

[golden nexus]

Its good fun when somebody drags the uranium ore into the hab stroage box 😛

[golden nexus]

Theres a few ways to do it... you trying to run the drones on fuel rods yes?

[dim flint]

If I hand feed a drone, let's say turbofuel. It will not pick up a new fuel type until it runs out of turbofuel, so it can get stranded.

[oak nymph]

How far from the edge of the ground does the map stop

[golden nexus]

yeah and you need to manage that.. or do it the other way which is hand feed materials to the machines instead of have hte drones deliver it to get the first rods out and then feed the drones the rods

[dim flint]

I mean, that's the question. How to manage that....

[golden nexus]

You make the demensional depot works as a manual driven teleporter to move the stuff to make rods... eg what the drons do

[sharp shore]

whats the most annoying ore to get?

[golden nexus]

The drons will start to fly themselves if your setup is correct...

[dim flint]

But since I have 300 uranium locally, I don't even know why I asked. I can slow start and siphon off some rods to the drones.

[near siren]

For some reason the monorail isnt working for me, I made a huge circuit lol but I'm not sure what I did wrong

[sullen gull]

Wrong type of thought process for the game imo.

[golden nexus]

Are you running them on uranium rods or plutonium rods?

[dim flint]

Not if you start them with turbo fuel and supply them with rods at the single port setup.

[sharp shore]

im still on the base 3

still new

[sullen gull]

But, I guess, if anything, Uranium due to needing a suite

[dim flint]

I could do either.

[sullen gull]

I figured.

[sullen gull]

Well, technically, it's one or both 😛

[golden nexus]

Yeah but i am also giving you 3 contradicting ideas here to run your plant (of which i have very little information to go on). Which have weorked for me in the past.

1. Run the drones on something else for a bit until you switch them
2. Play the role of the drones using the demensional depot by hand feeding the drone sports the materials they are meant to deliver
3. Play the role of the drones by feeding temporary industrial containers connected to the main manifold fgeeds for all required materials.

[dim flint]

? I mean I could use either type of rod. Though I think technically it's better to use the plutonium ones, since I'm just sinking them otherwise.

[golden nexus]

For options 2+3 you may want to stall the rods being delivered until you have several stacks

[sullen gull]

Oh, strickly for drone fuel yeah. My bad, was reading that as asking what rods you were producing 🤷‍♂️

[dim flint]

All 3 of these are worse than just using the local uranium and waiting for the drones to spin up, since this way I have no manual process.

1. can get stuck, as I've tried to explain, but you seem not to understand.
   2 and 3 are just more work, but could work.

[golden nexus]

So if you using plut rods, you need to probably gets several stakcs of uranium rods to get enough waste to run the drones...

btw.. drones on plut rods will run for hours in 2-3 rods

like its going to do 50 round trips

[dim flint]

Yea, it's just about getting the first rods. But I can wait for the local uranium to produce them.

A slow startup is fine.

[golden nexus]

Just feed the manifolds with the stuff they are meant to deliver and let the handoff happen on its own tbh

[dim flint]

Well before I remembered that I had a uranium node near my production, I wouldn't get anywhere without manually feeding stuff, which I was hoping to avoid.

[golden nexus]

by manual you can drag from from depot....

[dim flint]

I really wish the drones were smart enough to refuel for round trips with other fuels, so I could just kick start the system, but I've tried that in the past and they get stuck.

[dim flint]

Yea, I could, but I likely wont.

[golden nexus]

yeah they are not, but they also don't take off until they have enouh fuel

[dim flint]

No they will get stuck.

[golden nexus]

how many drones are you talking about here?

[dim flint]

Never taking off from some remote part of the map.

[golden nexus]

your feeding fuel to the remote end as well as the local?

[dim flint]

I still need to work out the numbers. Enough to carry all the uranium on the map - 300.

[sullen gull]

Should only need fuel at the drop off 🤷‍♂️

[dim flint]

No, that's the point.

[sullen gull]

And then just hand feed for the frist run from the remote ports

[dim flint]

I don't want to belt fuel all the way up to all these isolated nodes.

[golden nexus]

@sullen gull drones iirc only need local fuel, they always return on their own supply, you never need remote fuel?

[golden nexus]

we not asking / expecting you to

[dim flint]

Yea, but switching fuel types causes them to run out sometimes since they didn't refuel and took off with only enough of the old fuel type to get to the pickup and not enough to return.

[sullen gull]

MAAAYBE if trying to use regular fuel, but afaik, using TF or above, a drone can make it from one end to the other round trip

[dim flint]

?

Why

[golden nexus]

yeah but your fuel switch is local, not remote so you just yank it when you are there....

its local to you

[wispy osprey]

I don't like thinking about fuel logistics

I'll wait until fluid trucks

[golden nexus]

let me spin something up to test something

i have a fuel / turbo fuel combo option for drones

[sullen gull]

Personally, I just fed plut rods to the drone ports and overflowed to the sink. Have to "kickstart" the drones at the Pick Up ports, but otherwise, after the first trip, fuel shouldn't be an issue.

[dim flint]

Let's say a drone drops off supply with 0.5 turbofuel left into a port with uranium rods. Even though it takes 0.9 fuel to make it round trip, since it's only 0.45 to get there, it will take off and get stranded instead of trashing the 0.5 TF and refueling with rods.

[dim flint]

fuel switch?

[golden nexus]

cause all you do is switch the belt from ANY packed fuel to the rods once you have enough stockpiled and then yank the fuel from the dron port when it runs out

[sullen gull]

Then just take a uranium rod over to the port it got stuck on? 🤷‍♂️

[dim flint]

Well yea, but that could take hours, and I'd rather just start it up once and be done.

[sullen gull]

Some how, I think there is a ton of "overthinking" going on 😛

[dim flint]

No

You're just not understanding I think.

I've run into this problem before.

[near siren]

its saying station is unreachable on my monorail but i linked it all up? any ideas?

[dim flint]

Is the station backwards?

[wispy osprey]

Monorail might be an issue already

[dim flint]

this doesn't ensure the drone wont get stranded.

[golden nexus]

We are.. #screenshots message

[near siren]

i dont think so

[dim flint]

This proves nothing.

[golden nexus]

i was feeding packaged fuel now switching to turbo... same problem happens when it runs out of fuel.. but your thinking of a problem that doesn't exist

[white beacon]

How do I switch nobelisk types some hog killed me while I was trying to finish my factory and Im using my ficsmas nuke on him

[near siren]

oh nvm its working i put the wrong station first apparently

[dim flint]

It's entirely possible that drone will get stranded if it doesn't have enough fuel to return to that port.

[golden nexus]

Drones will not get stranded at the remote end.......

[sullen gull]

Imo, the setup is: drone ports at plant for DU - with no drone built. Ports at remote PU - with drone set to Plant DO as destination. Kick start the drones with a container of fuel of choice. Once the plant is producing plut rods for fuel (Or uranium rods, your choice) Delete the fuel in the containers and replace with a bit of rods in each one. Profit

[dim flint]

I tested this once a couple months ago and I found that they do.

[golden nexus]

See how in the screenshot which your response is "it proves nothing". It will require 56 fuel per trip.. thats a round trip... not a one way trip

[golden nexus]

they get stranded if the output blocks and they are transporting something there

[white beacon]

Nvm I got it

Bacon time

[dim flint]

That wasn't what happened to me.

[golden nexus]

So acording to you this is going to get stranded because it clearly says it needs 56 fuel and it only has 44 fuel #screenshots message

[wispy osprey]

I wonder what people do with all of the pure iron and copper nodes all in that spot

It's the most material dense location in the map with 6 pure iron nodes, 3 normal limestone, and 1 pure copper node. More copper and iron pure nodes are decently close northwest

[dim flint]

So what you're saying is that a drone will not take off without enough fuel for a full round trip? Even if it might refuel at the destination?

[white beacon]

IT HIT ME WITH A ROCK AND DENIED MY SATISFACTION OF DETONATING THE NUKE I HATE THIS THING

[golden nexus]

you said they were not fueled at remote side

[wispy osprey]

That's not very satisfactory of the game

[dim flint]

I'm talking about drones mechanics in general now.

"even if"

[white beacon]

That was my ficsmas nuke too 😭

Im loading a save that pig dies today

[golden nexus]

the drone is back and unloading.....

[wispy osprey]

Just clear away from the radiation

[dim flint]

Because I swear I tested this, and I had a drone take off from a port with a full fuel input and get at the destination because it was using a different fuel type.

[golden nexus]

and the drone decided to dump its packaged fuel for turbo fuel and didnt get stuck

[wispy osprey]

Unfortunate that the fallout goes away in about a minute

[golden nexus]

so it took the 44 fuel and headed off.....

[wispy osprey]

Rather than thousands of years

[dim flint]

Interesting... it had leftover regular fuel, and it dumped it?

[golden nexus]

no i think it still running on packaged

[dim flint]

OK, right. Wait until it's out.

[golden nexus]

yeah one more trip needed

[dim flint]

You may get lucky and it might run out on the return trip.

[wispy osprey]

What about running drones and vehicles on batteries?

[golden nexus]

there i no remote fuel on this one, its a nitrogen node on top of west coast

[dim flint]

If so then you need to try again with different amounts so it runs out on the away trip.

[golden nexus]

its bootstrap / change over issues to plutonium rods

[dim flint]

Yea exactly, this only happens if there's only fuel on one end.

[sullen gull]

I think is this is where they are having the "issue".. as they are worried about different fuel types at the locations.

[golden nexus]

Its on its way back #screenshots message

[sullen gull]

They just said it was only fueled at one end.

[near siren]

man this is so cool 😄 but is there a way to designate 1 carriage per station?

[wispy osprey]

I uhhh.... think I'm gonna stick with trains 😅

[dim flint]

I know lol

[wispy osprey]

I know nitrogen sucks

[sullen gull]

This convo is making things "sound" WAY more difficult than reality.

[golden nexus]

now on its next trip and has changed to turbo fuel... and it now wants 21 per trip

[wispy osprey]

But there's a pure node in the middle of the map relatively close to uranium in the cave

[dim flint]

try filling it with just enough to get to the destination but not enough to return of regular fuel.

[wispy osprey]

Oil somewhere around there too

[golden nexus]

so i know that these can get hung up, but they don't leave locally unless they can make it back has been my experience with them....

[stoic laurel]

#screenshots message
finished the Ficsmas tree in the MAM, now everything is getting sinked

[dim flint]

Unless I'm wrong, which we still haven't really shown, I don't think this is 100% true.

[golden nexus]

i will be an arse about it? #screenshots message

[dim flint]

I don't think this does it either...

[golden nexus]

i expect this one will refuse to leave the drone port

[dim flint]

The key is to load the drone with just enough of fuel type A to get to the destination, but not enough to return. Which I thought was possible based on a failure I had a couple months ago and some testing I did then.

[golden nexus]

but when you yank the fuel its resets and goes.. but the dron won't get stuck at the remote end

[golden nexus]

Already done 44 where it needed 56

[dim flint]

And it left?

[golden nexus]

yeah left and came back

[dim flint]

How!? if it needed 56?

[golden nexus]

and then switched fuel to turbo after that

[zenith sage]

Finally started laying tracks... how the hell did I end up in a desert when I was trying to get to the west islands

[golden nexus]

don't know there may be some logic in there to prevent sticking in this way

[sullen gull]

A Drone will initially take the required amount of fuel for a round trip from its home Port, consuming the fuel immediately upon takeoff. If the Drone is being supplied with fuel at its destination (non-home) Port instead, it will take the required amount of fuel for a round trip, but not consume it until it returns to its home Port and takes off from it, taking no fuel from the home Port. Thus, it is possible to have 2 drones on a line with 2 drone ports, even if one of them doesn't have fuel. In this scenario, it has to be manually supplied with fuel for its first trip, as it would not take off from the home Port to start transporting otherwise. After that, fuel only needs to be supplied at one of the two drone ports for both drones to function.

[golden nexus]

ayway... the 2 packaged fuel is up next to see if it gets stuck

[sullen gull]

Straight from the mouth of the wiki.

Also as an fyi,

While hovering in the queue waiting to land the drone will not consume any fuel.

[deep mortar]

i just finished stage 5 of the space elevator!!!

[dim flint]

Sounds like the answer to this...

[dim flint]

So if this is true, which it probably is, I have no idea what broke in my last setup.

[golden nexus]

the other answer is better btw, you cut the belt feeding drones rods, then pre feed the system with industrial storage containers

bear in id you can also setup a temp drone port as well to do this

[sullen gull]

You think the wiki would lie?! 🤣

[dim flint]

No, I mean I don't have to worry about any of this really. Since I'm building on top of a single uranium node, I can just use that to make the initial plutonium rods.

[golden nexus]

btw this flew on 2 packaged fuel

[dim flint]

Sometimes... but rarely.

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/receipts-whitney-houston-show-me-receipts-gif-5588388

[dim flint]

Interesting. Maybe that's the amount in addition to the round trip tank.

[oak nymph]

Hypertube are so slow for long distance it take me 3 min to travel

[sullen gull]

Hypertube cannon 😛

[oak nymph]

Idk how to aim it

I mean I don't know how to shoot and the right force and the right place

[sullen gull]

But, the same principle works by just adding another (more) entrances at the beginning or along the way of a long tube to make it faster

[golden nexus]

you need speedup loop 😛 #screenshots message

[sullen gull]

Wouldn't worry about the right "place". Just up and in the direction you want to go, then controll where to land with parachute and/or jetpack

and if the first one shoots to far, remove and entrance.

[dim flint]

How are you checking how much fuel they have? I cannot see this.

[sullen gull]

It will should on the drone port after the first trip

[golden nexus]

In fuel port in screenshots #screenshots message

[oak nymph]

I got extra water what do I do with it I don't need it and it block my factory

[dim flint]

That's how much is in the port... not in the drone.

[sullen gull]

Recylce it back, adjust your extractor production, or something like wet concrete

[oak nymph]

Ok

[lapis shadow]

If you import a blueprint that contains things you can afford, but you haven't yet unlocked them, would you still be able to build them? Example, I just started the game and I have normal foundations unlocked, but then I download a blueprint that is just a concrete foundation; I would easily have the materials to make that, but if I haven't yet purchased concrete foundations in the awesome shop then would I be prohibited from contructing it?

[stoic laurel]

oh thankfully i stopped myself from sinking everything, because candycane bashers are worth ALOT in the sink

[sullen gull]

Oh, wait, sorry, yes.

So long as you have the parts to make it

[golden nexus]

yes its a bug / cheat but its you game so thats fine if you want to do that

[oak nymph]

I'm so dumb i forgot I had residual plastic 😭 polymer resin*

[wispy osprey]

Reminder that b-hopping is faster than a train

[golden nexus]

It doesn't show, it doesn't registers as having any, there is no properties on a drone and it does not show it #screenshots message

[dim flint]

My test port claims 15 per trip, but it took 22 fuel. So I don't really understand that either.

[oak nymph]

How do I know my upload speed in dd

[wispy osprey]

Why do trains treat block-block or block-go like a yield signal??

[lapis shadow]

Check the same place you unlocked them?? In the MAM

[sullen gull]

The drone will hold one stack. If there is space in that stack, it will refuel

[golden nexus]

you mean its slowing down before it gets to the signal?

[dim flint]

Why did it leave 3 turbofuel when I hand loaded 25 then?

[wispy osprey]

Yes, no train ahead of it

Or on the dedicated path

[dim flint]

There is clearly some kind of internal buffer, it's just not exposed.

[golden nexus]

Theres another signals within 10 foundations or so after that signal?

[golden nexus]

Looks that way.. probably to permit fuel switching 😉

[wispy osprey]

Does there have to be?

Why would the train slow down for that

Its a clear path

[dim flint]

So I fed in some turbofuel and some regular fuel and it took off... so it is doing something like converting the fuel to internal power when it consumes it. Hard to say exactly how much internal power they have still.

[golden nexus]

No, I am saying that you have one after it and its seeing the next signal block and it starting to brake for it... ie your signals are too close together

[wispy osprey]

Ah I see now

[golden nexus]

you will know when they are running on nuclear lol

[sullen gull]

Zoomies and Jet colour! 😏

[golden nexus]

So if you have track laid the way i think you have track laid you can delete half your signals 😛

[dim flint]

here, let me just delete this drone and make a new one. Then feed them a single fuel at a time.

[wispy osprey]

2-way and yeah that sounds about right

[golden nexus]

You have signals about once every 10 foundations / blueprint size / autoconnect or something...

[dim flint]

OK, it took off with 15 as advertised.

[wispy osprey]

There has to be signals near intersections though

[sullen gull]

Ahh, so, only takes what it needs ... ok

[golden nexus]

Yes... but not that many... remember the train is going 100km/h

[wispy osprey]

If a second train wants to go to the path that train 1 is in, train 1 is going to block an entire portion of the map until it clears out

[golden nexus]

yeah how long does that take?

[wispy osprey]

I dunno i only thought of that problem and want to avoid a slow down like that

[dim flint]

This time it took off with 14. So it's doing some rounding and saving the internal state.

[wispy osprey]

When a train turns back around it'll clear the signal

[sullen gull]

So it still have some residual and only needed 14....

[dim flint]

Yes exactly.

[golden nexus]

if it effects your overall average rate then your train setup is broken, rmemeber trains are basically a giant moving "buffer" so when its late it just stalls and the buffer fills more which will be delivered next time around. Kinda like a manifold filling up.... but the average thoughput over 30 minutes is still the same X/min

[dim flint]

The 15 it claims to need is the ceiling most likely.

[sullen gull]

is still failing to see what the "issue" are

Anyhow, bout time I opened the game myself I guess

[wispy osprey]

As long as i properly time trains on a single 2-way I guess

[dim flint]

Well now i'm not sure there is an issue after all. I may have had another problem when my drone got stuck... but I can't easily test that now, so I'm testing it from scratch.

[golden nexus]

You can't its basically impossible. You just relay on the buffer. So if you want a train to work first time, you prefill the station and make it fill

[dim flint]

Well cool. I guess it's easy enough to kick start the drones with alternate fuels and I was wrong about the fuel type issue.

[golden nexus]

btw with trains, its common when the track gets busy to add sleep times to the timetable.... so the trains wait longer and carry more

[night lotus]

i might just be cooked

where do i put 200 fuel gens

[sullen gull]

Build up

[fluid crow]

in the ocean

[oak nymph]

Pile them up

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message

[oak nymph]

Or the void

[night lotus]

bro thats gonna take so much time

but i guess i signed up for this

[golden nexus]

is it RF?

[night lotus]

yes

[sullen gull]

Bluepprints will get you 2 or 4 at a time

[oak nymph]

Do a blueprint

[golden nexus]

the first 50 is the hardest

[night lotus]

i will

[golden nexus]

no pumps needed, So giant tower....

another is just power shard all of them....

[night lotus]

i locked out in a bp and only put 1 gen

[sullen gull]

Do you have mk2 blueprint designers?

[night lotus]

yes

[sullen gull]

You can place 4 with tight piping....

[lapis shadow]

Does the effect of trains dumping/sucking up items in one go have a weird effect when trying to figure out how many items per minute you're getting? Like if I have a factory that makes iron ingots at 120/m and then I have another factory elsewhere that requires 120ingots/m to run with 100% uptime, can I connect the two factories with a train and expect both factories to maintain 100% uptime?

[night lotus]

its genuinely gonna reach the top of the space elevator

[golden nexus]

Eventually yes...

[sullen gull]

That screenshot I showed is 420 gens. 38m*5 = 190m

[golden nexus]

So long as the train has the capacity to carry materials of the rate required, it basically acts as a belt exteneder. In fact all of the logestics in this game acts this way

What goes in one end comes out the other end.....

[zealous urchin]

making walls look good is annoying ngl

[golden nexus]

Only thing to be careful of is to make sure it can carry enough stuff for the time it takes to get from a -> b and back to a again

[sullen gull]

Plan on 4m thick walls. Allows for adding "depth" to be "easier"

[white beacon]

I was rewiring my hyper tube cannon and got sucked in for a moment and I think that's the first time this game has genuinely scared me

[zealous urchin]

so foundations instead hmmmm

[sullen gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMarWMlGAjE

[zealous urchin]

yea i think im gonna extend one foundation and make rings around

[dim flint]

Keep in mind you'll never get all 2400/min or (2x belt rate) throughput from a platform.

[golden nexus]

yeah treat them as one belt not two

[dim flint]

I mean, you can calculate how much you can get. it can be more than a single belt.

[zealous urchin]

hmmmm

[golden nexus]

Reality is a 1200/min belt on a single platform for something that stacks to 100 it has 32 slots. Or 3,200 items in the train wagon. So... 3,200/1,200 = 2.6Minutes. - the 30 seconds stoppage at either end = 1 Minute 30 travel time max on the train for that speed. Or 45 seconds each way

[dim flint]

Changes things when you have multiple trains in a loop.

[lapis shadow]

What is the use case for empty train platforms? Is it just to make open space look a little prettier? Like why would it be better than just having normal railway with nothing next to it?

[golden nexus]

Yup, I errored ont he side of cautiont here multiple times as well. I aim for about 300/min per wagon eg 3200 / 300 = 10.5 Minutes for the total train rtt

[golden nexus]

If you use back and forth trains it makes them fit better

[dim flint]

For example here's 4 trains in a loop's optimal throughput and RTD (round trip time):

minimize rtd, optimal

4 trains
1 car
full with 3200 items in 32 stacks
7 min 8.32 sec per round trip.
2400 items/min total active rate of platform
1793.05 items/min throughput (74.71% platform efficiency)

[sullen gull]

Lets say to have a train with 4 freight cars, but you only want to load/unload cars 1 and 4, you would use two emply platforms to space it.

[zealous urchin]

its the guy who wrote python code for trains

[lapis shadow]

ah makes sense

[dim flint]

Depends if you might also want to use those as stations for another train. You should be able to use the train settings to configure this.

[sullen gull]

And then, have a choice if you want a catwalk or not.

[sullen gull]

Afaik, a platform can only be load/unload You cannot configure a train to only interact with specific cars

[golden nexus]

might have a train which stops on multiple locations along the way, in which case you blank the platforms

[dim flint]

But you can tell a train to only load or unload a spesific type of item, so depending on if the other stations are different items or not you could do it that way.

[lapis shadow]

Does anyone know what the 50mw power usage even means on the train station? It doesn't seem to be indicative of anything. Trains can consume more than 50mw of power when moving and when they aren't moving it's far less than 50mw of power. So what is the significance of the 50mw? I don't understand

[sullen gull]

And where is it that you can set a specific item?

[dim flint]

On the route. Click the gear icon for each destination.

[hasty lion]

until when is ficsmas again?

[sullen gull]

Which screen? The station? Sit in the train and Q?

Nm,. found it

[dim flint]

ok good 🙂

Techincally you can get to this screen for any train from any station. That took me way too long to learn.

[sullen gull]

So, ok, yeah I thought I had seen this before .... How come this is never mentioned when someone asks about "sushi trains"? (I have not played with trains yet. Nowehere near as much as I should apparently)

[golden nexus]

just the building needs that, the trains use more as well

[sullen gull]

What are the "draw-backs"?

[golden nexus]

I had a great sushi train back pre-depot

[sullen gull]

If you have a car with 4 items in it,l does it only pull THAT item from a container no matter what spot it's in in the container?

[golden nexus]

The train yard storage works like containers so it just fills the same way as a box, however.. I had a 4 wagon sushi which was basically a central storage solutions which means you could run multiple trains to multiple storage locations as a logestics solution

[sullen gull]

So, like, the platform itself acts as a "programmable splitter"?

[dim flint]

There are issues with this. A) it doesn't play nicely with the wait until full load unload. Last time I tried this a couple weeks ago, though I could be missing something here. And B) it's limited in that you cannot specify it per car, so it still makes some sushi setups impossible.

[lapis shadow]

That's what the game implies but it's not true. I've been running tests where I just have a single train hooked up to it's very own power grid and the consumption is always fluctuating. It never rests at 50mw like you would think it does. This made me think that maybe the game is saying that it can power a train and consume UP TO 50mw but that isn't true either so idk what the 50mw is even indicating

[golden nexus]

Heres one such draw back was creating a parallel sorter to split items into "class belts" and then send them to multiple depots... this was needed to get the belt speeds up #satisfactory-experimental message

[golden nexus]

this is correct yes, the trasin uses 0 when not moving, it uses 40mw when powered

seems train locao can use 120mw actually, and when moving but "idle" its 25mw

[dim flint]

@golden nexus oh you know what we didn't test... two drones on a single fuel port. Maybe that was the issue, since that was what I was doing when I had an issue. Maybe it's the fuel-less port's drone which get's messed up.

[sullen gull]

But, if you had "Car one has iron ingots, car two crystal oscillator, circuit boards, AND high speed connectors, car three has copper ingots and 4 has caterium wire.......... And, I set the destination on the route to only unload high speed connectors and circuit boards, .... would I then maybe just just up a "station, empty, Freight platorm setup? And then it ONLY unloads the two items?

(Sorry, stream of thought question)

[golden nexus]

Yeah this means you have a remote drone?

[dim flint]

yea, 2 drones, but only 1 fuel port.

It works now, but it didn't at first when I manually fed it a different type I don't think.

[lapis shadow]

Yeah so again, the 50mw doesn't make any sense? Or does it? I just don't know where 50 is coming from 🤷‍♂️

[golden nexus]

Well it does if your buildig + train power as well

[dim flint]

I haven't tested that, so I don't know.

[lapis shadow]

What?

[tired cypress]

The 50 is for the station itself

[sullen gull]

Just have to make sure the fuel input port of the drone port has enough throughput for multiple drones imo. And, with using rods, afaik I can hold 4, a lift/belt going to it will hold some, etc

[dim flint]

If my new understanding of the mechanics is correct, then it should be fine. I just haven't tested it.

[sullen gull]

Which, I feel like, if you have multiple drones set to drop off at one, that drop off point shows the total fuel usage no?

[lapis shadow]

The game says that, but in practice it doesn't make sense. The station consumes 0.2mw with no train hooked up. 25.2mw with a train at rest, and up to like 90mw when the train is moving. So where does 50 come into play exactly? Just seems like an arbitrary number with no meaning

[golden nexus]

station seems to draw this #screenshots message

[dim flint]

The issue is that it's filling up after it's already left from it's round trip calculations, so I could see it being different, but I'm not sure how yet.

[sullen gull]

I mean, it does take 102 seconds for a for a full land/takeoff schedule?

[dim flint]

how is that related?

[golden nexus]

When i put a loco on the track it seems to pull 25MW

[sullen gull]

Drone ports don't stop their intputs and outputs during docking squence like trains

[dim flint]

Yes, I know

[lapis shadow]

So I guess each station just adds another 50 possible mw to be drawn from by the train itself. So if you have more stations then a train can consume more power...?

[sullen gull]

So, marterial is still moving. Which, is plenty of time for 1 rod. Maybe a bit short for reg fue. if needing to feed say 4 drones landing at one port 🤷‍♂️

[golden nexus]

@lapis shadow This is idle train -> driven -> hit buffer... #screenshots message

[dim flint]

I'm just still trying to work out what broke my drones before lol.

[sullen gull]

Sorry, I am mostly just "thinking out loud" 🤷‍♂️

[golden nexus]

Any guesses where i pressed f to dock?

So its idle loco = 25MW and a Station docking using 50 = 75MW only thing on the power network is a fuel gen

[dim flint]

cool, two drones on a single src/dst port is enough to carry 300 uranium/min

[golden nexus]

They will block on output

[dim flint]

?

[golden nexus]

drones if the output is full they will block and sit there

[dim flint]

That's fine.

[golden nexus]

i think other happens as well if there is no input they won't go

[dim flint]

I just need the throughput to be able to carry this full 300 node.

[golden nexus]

this is wrong 🙂

[dim flint]

It's taking input directly from a miner and sending it to be directly consumed, there should be any left overs.

The whole build is worked out around using all the uranium.

[golden nexus]

i have done a similar build with uranium fed nuclear and driving drons with plutonium rods

[lapis shadow]

#screenshots message In my circuit the train consumes 25-26mw while docked, and it only peaks at around 60mw when driving. So idk how you're getting 75mw while docked

[golden nexus]

Your test is missing parts

[lapis shadow]

What do I need to be loading/unloading cars?

[golden nexus]

Where is rest of station to do the loading / unloading?

cause the bump on my graph was 26 seconds long 😉

it also did produce power usage until something was put into the statino to actually make it dock....

[lapis shadow]

Well this whole time I was talking about the "train station" specifically. Your statement here #satisfactory message was confusing because you said a station is using 50mw but what you meant was a freight platform

[golden nexus]

Yeah but thats what it shows up as "can use" 50MW, So i just showed you a way to make it use 50MW... you need the station to actually be doing something

[dim flint]

I figure drones are better than trains, because you cannot accidentially get stuck behind a radioactive drone and die.

[golden nexus]

lol... yeah for that they are, worst case you have to double them up to an additional drone

[dim flint]

yea

[golden nexus]

you can also ship the plutonium rods off to the uranium nodes

[dim flint]

Though I think that will only be needed for the normal nodes.

[golden nexus]

its a shame we cannot get "shielded trains" which are heavy or something

[dim flint]

yea

[golden nexus]

need 4x the engine power

[dim flint]

or like 2/3 the capacity.

That makes more sense anyway.

[golden nexus]

I have also uses nuclear waste trains in the past which is funny... you get blasted randomly

[lapis shadow]

If it's just adding 50mw to the power usage capacity then shouldn't my experiment #screenshots message have a max power consumption of 100mw? Since I have 2 stations and 50*2=100? It instead says the max consumption is 210mw so I don't understand how it got that number

[dim flint]

Aint no way I'm doing that.

[golden nexus]

your using a hover pack right?

[lapis shadow]

No I'm flying it's sandbox save. Nothing else is on the power grid except these 2 stations

[dim flint]

I always forget about the 100MW the hoverpack uses.

[ornate saffron]

I didnt realize it used any until this moment lol

[golden nexus]

So its 50+50+110?

[lapis shadow]

Well yes that's one possible way to achieve the sum of 210 but I have no clue how the game is getting to 210. The only thing hooked up to the power grid is 2 train stations

[golden nexus]

Yeah want to read the number on the bottom of the screen here? The one that says 100MW (it goes to 110) #screenshots message

[ornate saffron]

doesnt rail uuse power?

[sullen gull]

Not the rail itself?

[dim flint]

0 resistance 🙂

[golden nexus]

it carries power, but does not use it

[golden nexus]

damm superconductors 😛

[dim flint]

Even superconductors have some resistance.

Actually... I might be wrong on that.

[ornate saffron]

ah

[golden nexus]

Don't be concenred about trains having variable draw, be very concerned about overclocking / sloop quantum encders... (this is 2 of them) #screenshots message

[lapis shadow]

So trains can consume up to 110mw, hence the 50+50+110 you're showing me. I didn't know that so that's why I was confused. Although it still doesn't explain train stations claiming to use 50mw of power. Because I can't seem to ever get them to consume more than 0.2mw of power. So when, if ever, do train stations consume the 50mw that they claim to? Freight stations consume 50mw when in use yes, but train stations don't so what is the significance of the 50? I'm truly curious because I'm trying to estimate the power consumption of my train network and if a compenent is lying about it's power consumption then it's going to screw my numbers

[golden nexus]

50GW variation lmao

[wispy osprey]

I actually timed my fill rate and want to work somewhere around that as a delivery time

[golden nexus]

If the train station loads/unloads it draws 50MW while the crane is running. I didn't figure out if thats per station section or just for the whole stations+all platforms

[dim flint]

If you have enough batteries, you can just assume everything is an average. Which unfortuanately the game doesn't calculate for you.

[golden nexus]

QE will draw 26GW though lmao

[lapis shadow]

Okay so to answer my original question then it's kinda unknown why the train station component says they consume 50mw? It's also reflected in the graph too as we saw so it's really weird to me that they never consume anything other than 0.1mw

[golden nexus]

this one shows it consuming 50MW #screenshots message

It need to be docking, if you have nothing to dock then the dock is instant....

So your testing (which i said about 30 minutes ago) is short/missing parts

[fresh arch]

is there a tool outthere for calculating the best production layout for a specifc item or set of items? like lets say i want the best production possible of rotos, so it tells me how many miners, furnaces, crafter n such ill need, and also have it in items/m.

[sullen gull]

Satisfactory Tools Calulator or Satisfactory Modeler, free on steam.

[ornate saffron]

doesnt tools do that? input your resources select your alt recipies then hit maximize

[sullen gull]

And idea oif what Modeler looks like: #math-and-meta message

[fresh arch]

thanks

[sullen gull]

Tools will "auto-generate" a plan based on different factors. Though, one cannot mess with clock rates or other factors with specific machines.

[fresh arch]

what tools is this one you talk abt?

[sullen gull]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[ornate saffron]

the one tinker just linked

[sullen gull]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3187030/Satisfactory_Modeler/

[lapis shadow]

#screenshots message So I just redid the test, but with a unloading/loading sequence at each stop and as we saw before, there is a jump of 50mw when it docks and the crane starts/stops moving. This is expected but again, the train station itself does not see an increase in power draw. BOTH the "train station" and the "freight platform" claim to draw 50mw of power, however the train station is lying and the freight platform is not. If they were both telling the truth then I should expect to see a 100mw jump anytime my train is docked somewher that includes 1 station and 1 freight platform, not 50

[golden nexus]

Can you show us where hte power connector is on the freight platform?

[sullen gull]

It connect via rail, but the platforms DO use power

[maiden zephyr]

g'day

[golden nexus]

So if you have 2 in the station does it use 100MW?

[sullen gull]

Was just going to check now actually 🙂

Gah, but it wouldn't let me load a save... gotta reload 😒

[golden nexus]

This wiki page is wrong btw https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Train_Station

A Train Station always consumes 50 MW regardless if a Train is docking or not. Attached Freight Platforms draw 50 MW each, but only while loading or unloading. Attached tracks will additionally function as power lines, adding other connected stations to the power network along with anything connected to those stations.

[maiden zephyr]

so it's meant to be 100 not 50?

[sullen gull]

Ok, so yeah, they do draw power. Missed the bit about only when loading/unloading 😏

And, so yes, when a train docks, a station with two plaforms should draw 150.... right?

[golden nexus]

Should but the wiki there also says the station sections its self always draw 50MW, It clearly does not

[sullen gull]

That included the 50 from the station. 50 from station, and another 100 from the two platforms, only when docking. But otherwise the setup should pull 50

Or, you're saying the sations themselves don't always consume 50?

[golden nexus]

not by its self no #screenshots message

[lapis shadow]

I'm saying that the train idle (25) plus the train station (50) plus the freight platform (50) should total to 125mw of usage when a single engine + single car is at a station with a single freight platform however in practice it only consumes 75.1mw since the station itself never consumes 50mw

[golden nexus]

the loco is drawing 25mw in that

[lapis shadow]

I'm saying they NEVER draw more than 0.1mw

Which the wiki and the game don't really reflect so I was confused

[dim flint]

Still trying to figure out train power I see. 🥲

[lapis shadow]

This is just in my experience, I don't know if there's some interaction where the station has to "work" and then actually consume 50mw of power. But for all my purposes it's basically on "standby" for eternity. And if it never leaves standby, then why advertise that it can draw 50mw at all? You know what I'm saying now?

[golden nexus]

nope, i am trying to figure out how to get more points from my collection of noodles

[dim flint]

Excuse me, your collection of what?

[golden nexus]

I went for the "drying noodles look" #screenshots message

[dim flint]

I don't hate it.

[lapis shadow]

So to revise my original question, can train stations themselves actually consume 50mw of power? Or is that just a lie because I never see them consume more than 0.1mw.

[dim flint]

Have you confirmed by checking how much power goes into a battery over time?

[maiden zephyr]

well damn

[golden nexus]

It was a GF start, Oil was even imported on rail to the GF and its actually managed to finish the game with it

[dim flint]

GF?

[golden nexus]

grass fields

[dim flint]

Ah. That's where I started.

[maiden zephyr]

I'm just a messy workshop without even using the foundations and you have that much?

[golden nexus]

better general overview #screenshots message

[dim flint]

I don't plan on ever having another save tbh. Unless my computer cant handle this one at some point.

[golden nexus]

but... 1.2? :S

[dim flint]

1.2 will work fine with my save I assume.

[idle yarrow]

quick questio,n can 2 train go back and fourth on a bi-directonal train track line ?

[golden nexus]

yes

[idle yarrow]

how

[golden nexus]

loco at each end pointing in direction of travel

[lapis shadow]

How would that prove anything? I can already look at the graph of power draw and see how much my train system is drawing? A battery wouldn't do anything? Maybe I'm misunderstanding

[dim flint]

Yes, but needs two engines.

[maiden zephyr]

yours looks like that, mine just looks like #screenshots message

[idle yarrow]

the train just wait until the track is empty ( after 10 minutes )

[dim flint]

I'm just wondering if the graph is lying to you. It would be another way to confirm the power use.

[idle yarrow]

2 train not 1

[dim flint]

Two separate trains on a push pull system is bound to fail.

[golden nexus]

I have had saves int he past started on thoose nodes, they often worked out really well because all the base stuff ends up on the crappy nodes

[idle yarrow]

so 2 seperate train on 1 bi-directional train track is not possible

[lapis shadow]

Does that ever happen though? The graph lying I mean? If the graph isn't reliable then there'd be really no way to know anything about power for sure

[golden nexus]

btw.. to put it in perspective theres a 1800/min steel ingot factory in the bottom of one of thoose buildings.. so there i no problem scaling up to finish the game

[idle yarrow]

without the train basicly having to wait 10 minutes

[dim flint]

There's no way to signal them so they don't bump head to head.

[idle yarrow]

ah ok, thanks

[dim flint]

Wdym? Why does waiting fix anything?

[maiden zephyr]

well this IS my first game so uh. yeah it ends up messy at first

[dim flint]

Idk, but the internet is telling me that it consumes 50MW but sometimes advertises 0.1MW, and I have no idea what that means, so I thought another data point might tell you something.

[idle yarrow]

i split the bi-directional train track for 1 of the train to go to his station but while the other train goes, the light turn red so he gotta wait 10 minutes so that the train can do 1 full lap

Kinda hard to explain

[golden nexus]

they all start this way #screenshots message

[idle yarrow]

idk if you understand

[dim flint]

I feel like I need a picture lol

[sullen gull]

The wiki says that the platforms only draw during load/unload. However, it does seem wrong about the station consuming 50mw all the time. It only seems to top out at 25.3: #screenshots message

[idle yarrow]

It wont allow me

[maiden zephyr]

well, glad to know I'm not the only one

[sullen gull]

But, dumb question, how/why can't I manually dock? 😛

[dim flint]

Post in #screenshots or #design-and-architecture

[golden nexus]

It doesn't matter if the train has to wait 10 minutes.... you can do multiple trains on one single sectino of track, you just must have the trains big enough to make up for the delay

[golden nexus]

be right at the end of the station

[sullen gull]

Yeah, exactly what I figured. Though, starting end or beginning end? 😛

Entrance/exit...

[dim flint]

Single rail in a loop yes, push-pull, no.

[golden nexus]

Nope, Yuo can do push pull or looped, you can mix them as well

[dim flint]

How do you ensure two trains do not come at each other?

[idle yarrow]

i send a pic

in ss

[golden nexus]

For single track?

[lapis shadow]

Hm okay I get ya, it could be worth a try but I think I just found another way to confirm it. I set up enough bioburners to power the train + the freight station + the train station at 0.1mw consumption with zero surplus for max consumption. So if the station does actually exceed 0.1mw of draw, then the grid will shut down since it can't handle it. Just tested it like that and it ran just fine so the graph aint lying

[dim flint]

I see. Yes, that's why having single track systems is bad.

[golden nexus]

It doens't matter if its looped or not, the loco pointing in direction of travel has control.... it behaves the same for either way

[idle yarrow]

it triple the ammout of time to make non bi-directional

[dim flint]

You mean just making the whole system one block... yea that's really slow generally.

[idle yarrow]

guys i just want to know if it possible and if yes how

[golden nexus]

Yeah Its ok in early game, then you start to add additional track and make it double track

[sullen gull]

OK, so only a max of 125... #screenshots message

[golden nexus]

yes

[dim flint]

Use blueprints.

[idle yarrow]

so how do i make it work without the 2 train crashing into eachother heads on

[maiden zephyr]

I have so much copper and quartz the excess is just going into tickets

[golden nexus]

You have one giant block, So a single at stations at each end and none in the middle single section

[dim flint]

If you can ensure all trains go the same direction and will never meet head to head, then you can add more block sections along the loop and let multiple trains use the track at a time.

[golden nexus]

no need

[dim flint]

What do you mean?

[idle yarrow]

Sorry, this is kinda hard to understand 😅 what do i need to do

[dim flint]

If two trains come head to head the system will be stuck

[golden nexus]

You can literally have 4 stations 2 at each end and you literally just have signals to keep the trains in the stations and then they will just keep switching ends

[idle yarrow]

Ok im starting to understand

[golden nexus]

only if you let them into the single section of track at the same time... the only way that happens is because you added signals to let them into the single section of track by making it more than one block

[idle yarrow]

Yo i just had an idea, what if i put a station in the middle and i let 1 of the train just get all the stuff

[golden nexus]

it works too but not required....

i can show a basic track layout that works and where to put the signals

[idle yarrow]

Yea but idk how to do it

[idle yarrow]

please do i dont understand anything you said

[dim flint]

I would have to see the full train network to explain what I'm saying more concretely. But if you have one station connected to another with a single long track between them. It's either push-pull or a loop most likely, and then you either cannot do multiple trains, or you need them going the same direction. If you have junctions off the single track then you can use signals to ensure only one train is on the single track at a time, but if that single track is long, it's going to be slow.

[idle yarrow]

it exactly what i did but the track is long like you said so it really slow

so im trying to find a way to make it work

[golden nexus]

so you start off with a back and ofrth like this #screenshots message and you want to add in the other 2

[dim flint]

Can you make a loop easily without going full dual track?

[idle yarrow]

the train track is a line that goes from bottom of the map to the top so hell no

[dim flint]

Though honestly it might be worth figuring out how to lay dual tracks now, since they are the only good solution.

There's no way to have trains going towards each other to intelligently bypass each other.

Would be cool.

[golden nexus]

slow is fine, unless you put down double track.... trains can be waiting for 30+ minutes if you make them long enough. So this is what your expecting right? #screenshots message

[idle yarrow]

well thanks for helping im just gonna test random things til it work

[dim flint]

Waiting 30 min for a train sounds horrible to test. And then what, you need like 8 cars once you get higher speed miners and stuff?

[golden nexus]

well heres a final solutions that works... #screenshots message

doesn't matter how long the single section is... you just don't put sigals on it

[dim flint]

This will "work" but will be tragically slow. Especially if your middle single rail is across the whole map.

[idle yarrow]

btw does block work if it 2 kilometer long

[golden nexus]

Doesn't matter... (see prior train rtt time calculations). In fact some people prefere it because you always end up with a train at each end to transport you

[dim flint]

@idle yarrow you know what the colors mean when you are building signals right?

[golden nexus]

Yes

[idle yarrow]

yes those are blocks

[dim flint]

What!? The throughput is absolutely dependent on RTT

[golden nexus]

Its based ont he carry capacity

[dim flint]

What do you mean?

It depends if it's fully loaded or not

Both cases of being full or not full are dependent of RTT though.

[golden nexus]

If you have a requirment to move plastic at 200/min (default oil+rubber setup), You get 32 stacks in the train and plastic stacks to 200. So you get 200 * 32 items in the wagon, Which is 6,400 total carry per wagon, So if your rate is 200/min 6,400/200 = 32 minutes to fill the wagon, or 15 minutes in each direction for the train, if you use 2 wagons your train can take an hour to turn around.....

You can calculate this....

[dim flint]

https://github.com/nixpulvis/sat_is_factory/blob/fb15c452de6f49178a0d7f3e428de1c31218cf16/src/sat_is_factory/train_solver/train_solver.py#L50

[dim flint]

I did

[golden nexus]

That looks like an aweful amount of code for such a trival problem

[dim flint]

lol

[golden nexus]

Been a SW dev for 25 years btw... 😉

[dim flint]

Ok you're pissing me off. I'm done.

Read the code if you like. It's correct so far.

[golden nexus]

No, It looks like junk

Reall ythe claculation is way easier than that

[dim flint]

It's literally not.

And the actual calculations are like 3 lines of code.

[golden nexus]

Your over thinking things again.... you been doing a lot of this tonight 😉

[dim flint]

No I'm not.

You write a solver for train throughout then. Let's see your code if you're so smart.

I was wrong about drones and I describes how I thought they operated, we tested it and I was wrong. I wasn't overthinking things. I had the wrong idea of a mechanic.

[golden nexus]

ffs discord won't let me quote your code, but from what i can tell you don't include stack size in your calculation at all, is that correct? Between lines 43 - 48?

[dim flint]

If this is how you treat people learning and testing assumptions you must be horrible to work with.

[dim flint]

Incorrect

It's literally self.stack_size

[golden nexus]

Actually quite the opposite....

[zenith sage]

Finally I got my first train route... thank god for a mod that extends the connection range between rails or I'd die... (did half of it vanilla way and then modified it anyway cause 90% of the time it was smoother)

[gloomy tusk]

Dimensional depot

What is it

[dim flint]

@golden nexus well for partially loaded the throughput is actually not dependent on the stack size if that's what you mean.

[sullen gull]

Bascially a way to have a "virtual storage", accessible from you inventory directly.

[gloomy tusk]

Cool

How much storage does it have

[dim flint]

And you only get optimal throughput when the train is exactly fully loaded, at a specific RTT.

[idle yarrow]

Chat i managed to do it !!!!

[zenith sage]

From 1 to 5 (?) stacks of each item, depending on the upgrades

[golden nexus]

So if its partially loaded then you are carrying enough? The issues here if you care where the limit/deadline is then almost evverything else is irrelevent if you can meet this deadline

[dim flint]

You can read a simplified version of the math here: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Train_throughput but my code handles multiple trains. I based this off equations KYO posted.

[golden nexus]

yes, you have described what this is.... #satisfactory message

[dim flint]

The main thing you often care about is that the throughput is >= the amount you need.

[gloomy tusk]

Also I have 20 storage containers full of bombs

Is that enough

[sullen gull]

More than probably. But, yolo 😛

[golden nexus]

So, "the deadline"

[dim flint]

Ok

My point is that the throughput is very clearly dependent on the RTT. And often you need to add another train or car to achieve throughout if the RTT is too long.

[golden nexus]

You have a real time requirement to meet, You just calculate where the maximum rtt time is and then be well below that time.