satisfactory

[reef basin]

yeah

[dim spoke]

aight tyty

[reef basin]

(imo it makes the game too easy, but people like it so 🤷 )

[dry cradle]

[strong fiber]

I didn’t mind having to bring trains full of building materials before unlocked DD

[fading whale]

Common scenario is you combine dim depot with your central storage.
You feed an item into its container and straight on to dim upload. Once dim depot is full of that item, your storage will begin to fill up.
You take a bit from dim storage, and it will automatically refill from your "physical" storage.

[dim spoke]

Yeps!

[reef basin]

I wouldn't do central storage if I'm doing DDs

[fading whale]

I did 🙁
My god the amounts of concrete I have hauled..... 😭

[placid stirrup]

It certainly makes it easier to build bigger and better factories

[dry cradle]

@fading whale if you delete a full Dimensional Depot will it void the items inside

[strong fiber]

No

[dry cradle]

Ohk

[fading whale]

No. The container is just a portal. As anything else that has items, if you delete it, they go backk to your inventory. What is already uploaded, stays there.

[reef basin]

well solving the logistics of construction was a nice and neat challenge with many interesting solutions. Now it's just "put a depot anywhere and have resources available everywhere" and kinda "cheats" the need to do logistics in a factory game

[strong fiber]

The items get uploaded to you dimensional storage which can be accessed from anywhere at anytime from your inventory matter if you have no DD’s on the map

[strong fiber]

Dimensional depot upload speed and storage can be upgraded with mercer spheres and sam fluxuators in the MAM

[placid stirrup]

Certainly fair. Would indeed be nice to have that be a game option if a player wanted the extra challenge. I do concede I miss central storage facilities...

[gloomy tusk]

What is the theoretical limit of satisfactory

[dry cradle]

The first time I used them I thought that there was like a separate inventory for the stuff u put in

[sullen gull]

Like, limit of things you can build?>

[reef basin]

limit of what?

[gloomy tusk]

How much power can you possibly make utilising sommersloops coal and every type of power

Cause there is a limit

But what is it

[reef basin]

like 100 times more than you can realistically use

[dry cradle]

You can always build more

[sullen gull]

By the time you build a power that large, and then everything needed to utilize said power, the PC will most likely have a stroke before hand

[reef basin]

well the "realistically" there was added on purpose

because at that point when you reach the amount I'm talking about, you've run of all the resources, and "building more" is basically either just spamming things that take power (jump pads or whatever), or underclocking machines to build more (which is counterproductive to power usage)

[dry cradle]

I feel like the limit is making a factory so large every inch of the map is covered to the point where u can’t place anything anymore

[gloomy tusk]

I’m talking about how much power can you make

Like not how much you can use

[reef basin]

the real limit is how much you can mine and how many objects can you place, both of which will run out WAY sooner than the point of "covered map"

[unkempt blade]

I hear you and I support your jumpad-maxing suggestion

[sullen gull]

This is something best found out by going to Satisfatctory Tools or SCIM, finding the max world resources and doing the math. Are you wanting RF, nuke? mix of both? Still want to make other stuff? etc.

And, as greeny said, chances are, the game will not run well before completing any theoretical max.

[dim spoke]

should i have a DD for each of my items

[reef basin]

for every item that you need for some usage

[sullen gull]

Doesn't really need EVERY item. I would suggest to go through the codex to see what is used for machines and other building aspects that you may need.

[dry cradle]

Miners + CG + Storage containers = limit

[sullen gull]

Like stators for instance. Only used for other parts and not for building. So no real reason to have it in the DD

[dim spoke]

Yeps!

[sullen gull]

Unless doing some manual crafting maybe. But ultimately it comes down to your own play style.

[dim spoke]

Is there enough of the orb thingies for every item

[sullen gull]

There are 298 on the map

[dry cradle]

Dats a lot of Mercer spheres

[sullen gull]

And, if I did the math correct, you'd want/need 97 of them to fully research the DD to max

Which would leave 201 for dd's

[dry cradle]

Im jus gonna
!wikisearch Dimensional Depot

[fading whale]

!wikisearch dd

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=dd

[dry cradle]

It did not work and now I look like an idiot

[fading whale]

!wikisearch Dimensional Depot Uploader

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Dimensional+Depot+Uploader

[fading whale]

I think it just didn't like the type even though you corrected it.

[dry cradle]

Fun lil tidbit of knowledge

It’s actually called a Dimensional Depot Uploader

And the space the items go is called the Dimensional Depot

[fading whale]

Because.... Wait for it.....
It Uploads.... To the Dimensional Depot!! 😲

Insert Owen Wilson mind blown gif

[dry cradle]

Yall were calling the building itself the Dimensional depot so yeah

[sullen gull]

PSA, don't forget to hit enter and type "Thanks Jace, Helps A lot" 😏

[fading whale]

Yeah. Love that bit 🙂

[bright echo]

where's 1.2?

[dry cradle]

Can u explain

[fading whale]

On the way

[sullen gull]

Jus dooo eeeet! 😛

[fading whale]

Jace was one of the OG community managers throughout most of Early Access.

[dry cradle]

What happened to him

Or her

[fading whale]

He just moved on with other projects. He's fine 😄

[sullen gull]

Moved on to other things in his life.

[brisk silo]

what biome should i put my nuclear power plant

i dont wanna just do an ocean

[dry cradle]

Desert

[sullen gull]

Anywhere near water is usually the best bet

[fading whale]

https://www.youtube.com/@jembawls

[dry cradle]

Never mind then

I shall embark on a journey to become a mod

[fading whale]

Everyone who hasn't, do yourselves the favor and watch all the CSS release videos for the early access major updates.

[leaden turret]

beween 1.19r and 1.20r1

[dry cradle]

Why is GLaDoS in the satisfactory emoji section

[leaden turret]

FICSIT does what it must because it can

[fading whale]

Distant relative of ADA would be my guess.

[dry cradle]

FICSIT does have a direct link to Earth so… it may be the earth with Aperture Science on it

And kitties

And puppies

[fading whale]

Cake?

[dry cradle]

It’s a lie

[sullen gull]

Lol, I was too sloooow

[dry cradle]

What if ADA and GLaDoS were dating at one point 😨

[jaunty jewel]

no

[leaden turret]

AI Limiter... potato battery.... 🤔

[dry cradle]

You can actually talk to ADA?

I didn’t know that

[dry cradle]

Big AI conciseness talking to you while you slave off to a big corporation under their control???

[leaden turret]

aAterina [D] pArks?

[sullen gull]

Lol, idk, seems pretty parallel to RL atm 😛

[dry cradle]

Wat

[leaden turret]

RL people in big AI don't have a conscience 😛

[fading whale]

Can't be effective without sleep. I'm out.

[dry cradle]

What RL stand for

[dry cradle]

Nuh uh

[sullen gull]

Real Life

[dry cradle]

Ohh

[fading whale]

Don't worry. That's a lie too 😉

[sullen gull]

Apparently it's been mathematically proven that we couldn't be in the Matrix 😏

[dry cradle]

Yes

WAIT

what if…

ADA is just GLaDoS

But FICSIT stole her

And changed the name and personality??????? 😯

[leaden turret]

GLaDoS is american
ADA is dutch

[dry cradle]

“Changed her name and personality”

[cosmic stream]

#screenshots message what is it for 500 nobelisk per min

[dry cradle]

Give me the recipes and I’ll do the math

[visual cosmos]

insert horrified face here the what now

why would you need 500 obelisk

game wouldnt even let you throw that many per minute

[dry cradle]

!wikisearch nobelisk

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=nobelisk

[lapis shadow]

How many tickets do you need to buy all the actually functional items in the awesome shop? Functional like they aren't just cosmetic or a joke like the cybertruck

[dry cradle]

A lot

Ok ok so

For a 500/min factory

Uh

Holdup I’m getting lost in my own thoughts

[old bramble]

Question: So say I am using a priority merger for making Encased Industrial Beams. Since Steel Beams have the lower stack size I should be putting them on a higher priority since they will run out sooner than the 500 stack concrete.

[cosmic stream]

Oh i see refineries that means smokeless powder so youre making other types thank god

[sullen gull]

If you math it out properly, there really shouldn't be a need for a pmerger... outside of possible "piece of mind"

[dense violet]

that doesn't sound like anything you'd want to use a pmerg for...

[dense violet]

are you using a sushi belt?

[old bramble]

I am making 30 beams per minute and 60 concrete per minute for ten encased beams a minute with an assembler under-clocked. I’m just testing stuff out in terms of vertical building on a creative world.

[dense violet]

are these items on their own belts feeding each input? or are you putting them on the same belt?

[old bramble]

Same belt

[dense violet]

ok that's called a sushi belt and you dno't need pmergs
in fact you never need them

what you need though is to feed each input with a smart splitter

one set to ITEM into machine, and forward overflow

that eventually overflows to a sink

[dry cradle]

@cosmic stream #screenshots message

Should get you AROUND 500/min

[sullen gull]

But, again ,,, ,why? lol

[old bramble]

But a smart splitter can only send one item. Shouldn’t I use programmable? Unless I set to Any.

[dry cradle]

I dunno

[dense violet]

only if you're only using 1 input of hte machine

which I really don't recommend

[old bramble]

Because it clogs up

[dense violet]

well it's possible to do, but it's a ton more work

[cosmic stream]

I know the recipe im not dumb

[dense violet]

example of a sushi belt on the left side of hte machines https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1237952640558829600/HighResScreenshot20240221-214733.png?ex=695d1a7d&is=695bc8fd&hm=36574a257978599992c96ed2e3fb1b6b11529e2565ea8e94c2180c3366ac5ad6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[pearl nova]

do pipe wall holes reset headlift?

thx

[spare cradle]

I have every current major point of needs connected by train

[strong fiber]

If they did that would be kinda crazy

[dim spoke]

how many new factories do i have to make for phase 3

[sullen gull]

As many as you want? 😏

[dim spoke]

🤩

time to go sleep and grind tomorrow

[spare cradle]

You could just do one mega one

[strong fiber]

To give a more specific answer you should be automating everything you can automate

[spare cradle]

having every part for phase 3

[spare cradle]

I, in honesty, deconstructed some temp factories for the parts that I now need again.

[strong fiber]

Because you’re gonna need it all at some point

[spare cradle]

like yk, automated wire and smart plates (I haven;t touched the actual one)

[strong fiber]

I dont deconstruct i disconnect power until they are needed again

[spare cradle]

Im consolidating them into a point which I now have trains to

[strong fiber]

Because space is pretty much infinite

[strong fiber]

Build new train lines

[spare cradle]

I have yet to use them, but I have them built for the future

[dim spoke]

is it a good idea to never use trains and only use belts 🤩

[spare cradle]

Ah yes, the 5km conveyor that is worth 50k iron plates

[dim spoke]

yes

i have like atleast 4 or 5km of conveyors from diff nodes coming to my storage

[spare cradle]

... I guess

[dim spoke]

so why not make more

t3 belts are cheap

i can just boost my steel production for that if needed

[spare cradle]

Rails are cheaper

[dim spoke]

do they require extra stuff

[spare cradle]

And, they can transport liquid

[spare cradle]

About 1 steel and 1 steel pipe per foundation length

[dim spoke]

do they need like unloaders

or something

[spare cradle]

Yes, and those are... kinda expensive?

just some plastic, encased, motors, wires.

[dim spoke]

belts are easy cuz i can just straight connect them to my machines

[glass pagoda]

Hello hello everyone

[spare cradle]

Hi

[dim spoke]

but ill see what ill do in the future

maybe for long lenghts i might try out trains

[spare cradle]

Does it take an hour for them to reach your storage

[dim spoke]

i have them mk3 so not really

theres a constant amount of them coming always

especially when i run a belt straight from a miner

[spare cradle]

I have yet to make my centralized storage node

Because, it takes a bit of steel

just a crumb.
-# cough, 2.8k steel beams AND pipe each

[dim spoke]

i rn have 30/min beams and 20/m pipes and that has worked for me well

[spare cradle]

I have plenty of each for my use, but I need more for the other stuff

[strong fiber]

You doing too much bruh

2.8k/min?

[spare cradle]

Nah, that's just how much steel I need for the centralized storage node

But, that can be a goal.

[dim spoke]

I really need to lock in and automate all the items

independant farms for each item

[spare cradle]

Do you have the jetpack?

[dim spoke]

Nope

not yet, tho i have the mats to unlock the thingy

[spare cradle]

Do it

[dim spoke]

Ill do dat tomorrow

[spare cradle]

Alr

[dim spoke]

• Automation list:
• Smart Plate (Future)
• Black Powder (Future)
• Versatile Framework
• Ai Limiter (Future)
• Motor
• Automated Wiring (Future)
• Sam Fluctuator

hmm thats my rn todo of items ive unlocked, future meaning that i only need it in future recipes

[wispy osprey]

I finished building the internal design of my first mega refinery, it shouldn't take me too long to plan the architecture

Next plan is to train it near a pure coal node as close to the center of the map as I can. That's gonna be my making assembly and manufacturing

[dim spoke]

Tufff, my factorys architecture is plain blue walls ;-;

and conveyors going thru each other on the insides

[wispy osprey]

I shared a screenshot of what it looks like, the layout is easy to get lost in

The tour video is outdated already because I have copper sheet refining there

[dim spoke]

Dang i found an ss of it and its massive

[spare cradle]

Concrete

[spare cradle]

?

SS?

[dim spoke]

screenshot

of that persons factory

[spare cradle]

Oh, fun.

[dim spoke]

gotta lock in and milk all nodes near my storage to the fullest extent

[leaden turret]

-# misread as "gotta lock in in all milk nodes"

[dim spoke]

😓

[leaden turret]

satisfactory farming simulator, pipe out that lizard doggo milk

[feral jay]

hrm I don't want to build anything big tonight, I just finished a big factory... maybe I should go sphere/sloop/drive hunting

[leaden turret]

reminder of the time I finished building a 60up, crystal oscillator factory and the first thing I unlocked after going out drive hunting to celebrate was... a more efficient crystal oscillator alt

[feral jay]

lol that's what I just built but 20/min with the calssic recipe

But at least that's for a computer factory using crystal computers, which I already have

[safe finch]

Guys, I just built a maxed out copper factory that would pump out 206 copper sheets, 206 wire and 206 cable per min….. except I thought I was building it next to 3 pure copper nodes, there’s 1 pure copper node AND 2 PURE IRON NODES

[feral jay]

So build a copper ingot factory somewhere else and belt it in. THe solution is always "more factory".

[safe finch]

Yeah but is has the Ingot part built in and the next closest copper nodes are far away lol

[feral jay]

More factory, more belts, more trains, more trucks, more drones...

[safe finch]

Yeah, imma do something to use it lol it’s a big build and it’s my first one I actually wanted to look nice lol

[feral jay]

Except trucks. Trucks are evil.

[safe finch]

All I have are trucks 😢

And conveyers but long distance lol

[dense violet]

you're learning, long belts are FINE

[wise agate]

salutations chat

[fast ruin]

Alternate reciper iron wire can get you wire and cables

[safe finch]

Yeah it’s just ugly lol

[dense violet]

treat the milestones as a tutorial 🙂 you're suposed to be messy

[feral jay]

Greetings and salutations, fine sir!

[safe finch]

Ooo good idea, I have a hard drive rn imma put it in the mam rn

[dense violet]

valedictions, you 😛

[tiny wave]

Im pretty new to this game im like 30 hours in my main save and i wanna redo my starting area for a 4th time lmao

I havent done phase 2 yet

Im addicted

[old bramble]

So when I’m manifolding should I be using the belt that fit’s the items per min needed or just the fastest belt?

I would think it wouldn’t matter because regardless it would just feed at the rate the machine needs.

[feral jay]

generally, just use your highest mk belt for everything

[haughty chasm]

same thing happened to me😭 4th attempt was finally it for me, but the addiction was pretty quick 💀

[spare cradle]

I've personally abandoned my starting spot for a large spread of factories

[dense violet]

I'd worry about burn out - probably just make new factories. You won't run out of nodes

[dense violet]

use the fastest everywhere, saves from making a mistake

[eager harbor]

Bro if I use spheres for dimensional storage for every item will I have enough to research it fully

Or I won’t have enough spheres

[dense violet]

you'll drown in spheres

[feral jay]

THere's more than enough

[dense violet]

more on the map than you could ever reasonably need

[old bramble]

Okay so with foundations I can snap them to the world grid. But with blueprint foundations because I like having the ability to plop down a large section at once I can’t seem to snap it to the world grid?

Or is it already snapped to the grid?

[dense violet]

build them on foundations snapped to the grid

or ignore the world grid as a noob trap that it is

[eager harbor]

K thx but I find them really hard to find in rocky desert

[dense violet]

you can scan for them with the obj scanner

[old bramble]

But the blueprint foundations don’t snap to the 4x4 foundation section I build out by hand. How do I connect them? Do I have to use a certain build mode?

[eager harbor]

Is there a way to load interactive map to my game so I know which spheres I claimed

[feral jay]

Yes, at the top right there's an "upload save file" icon

[dense violet]

no but you can lod your sve to the interactive map and swap to it?

[eager harbor]

Then what

[feral jay]

Then point it to your save and upload it?

[eager harbor]

What do u mean guys

[dense violet]

load your save fire to the interactive map , then it shows you an image.

but also - just use the interacive map w/o a save loaded - it'll show you all the spheres

[eager harbor]

And it won’t show me the spheres I claimed right?

[dense violet]

Well it'll show you all spheres, but you don't need many and it doesn't look like you've found many

so just go poitn to point

[eager harbor]

Oof

It’s gonna be a pain cuz Idk which spheres I claimed

[dense violet]

load your save into the web page then

[eager harbor]

And it will show me only the unclaimed?

[feral jay]

The unclaimed will show up faded, yes

[dense violet]

yes

[eager harbor]

How do I upload save to wiki tho

[feral jay]

I'm hunting for spheres now using scim

[dense violet]

you don't use the wiki

[dense violet]

as mentioned to you , top right, button to help load your save https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[feral jay]

@eager harbor #screenshots message

[eager harbor]

K thx

[eager harbor]

Thank you

The button wasn’t so clear but @feral jay helped

[feral jay]

THe hover tooltip will tell you exactly where to look

[eager harbor]

Yes thank you

[feral jay]

lol I came across this one spot in the grasslands and think "hey neat, I'm helping my nephew with his base in this spot"

[spare cradle]

Im trying that calc and uh... I dont have a save file where it says so

[sullen gull]

%localappdata%\Local\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames

[rugged rune]

Are the ornaments bugged?

[spare cradle]

I dont have that

I have the steamapps commons one and thats it

[sullen gull]

Press Win+R and copy paste that in there. You have it. It's usually hidden though

[royal flower]

just asking does anyone run satisfactory on an SSD? i'm tryign for the umpteenth time, to play Satisfactory with mods, on this computer and when i do, after a short period it CTD, all mods are current as far as i can tell (all dates are mid to late 2025?

[spare cradle]

Still a no

[sullen gull]

The actual directory is C:\Users<username>\AppData\Local\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames

[terse rain]

I'm torn between 2 options.

1. continure with my current world and finish this project that I no longer remember the point of.
2. restart from scratch. and this time the goal is to harvest and refine every single resource on the map and use it for ???

[spare cradle]

with the carats?

[sullen gull]

You won't realisitically be able to farm everything. Best bet is you just concentrate on making what you need for the milestones and space elevator part.

[terse rain]

thinkin of making a MASSIVE area dedicated to packaging water. and the canisters will get unpacked at the destinations then shipped back to the water packaging plant

[sullen gull]

No, Like mine is C:\Users\denki\AppData\Local\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames

[spare cradle]

Problem, me username has a space

[sullen gull]

@spare cradle Like I said, the folder is most likely hidden, so, if for some reason pasting what I sent ealier didn't work (Also make sure you're not putting C:%localappdata%\Local\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames, just everything without the C:) You will have to nanigate to the directory and unhid the files.

[spare cradle]

OH

Theres the issue

I have the game on an external HDD

[sullen gull]

Should not matter. The saves, screenshots, and blueprints should go to the "default" folder listed. Which is not the same as the game install directory

Mine is also installed on a separate SSD

[spare cradle]

Broda, It doesn't exist on my entire pc

[sullen gull]

Another way to open the folder is to go into the game, and hit P for photomode. Then TAB, and at the bottom, click "Open Folder"

Then you will have to go up two directories

[spare cradle]

Got it

[sullen gull]

Then, after that, click in the address bar of the explorer window to check what directory it's in.

[spare cradle]

I had to take a screenshot via in the game, then hit the file directly from the top bar

[sullen gull]

Would be willing to bet $5 it's what I mentioned before 😏

[spare cradle]

OneDrive has the actual save area hostage

[sullen gull]

Ew

[spare cradle]

I have like... 4/5 of the map to explore :P

[stone python]

and this is why i always turn that one drive crap off.

[spare cradle]

I don't even have it signed in or anything

I can;t do anything to it

[stone python]

with windows 11 install you dont have to. simply not unchecking the boxes for it is enough for it to infect your pc

[sullen gull]

I am getting so much closer to just saying screw it and going to Linux on here (every other PC is already). Just sucks I need to use the damn Autodesk Suite 🙁

[sly patio]

Good evening, fellow pioneers. I have run into a bit of an issue, and I don't know if it is something that is known, something that is fixable with suggestions from here, or something where I should just give up and restart.

The problem is that I seem to have lost "ground level". Like, there are a number of things that aren't happening at the vertical level I believe they should. FICSMAS gifts are just stopping in the air, miners are sitting way too high, many of my buildings default to 3 nudges and a half-nudge up in the air, and when I try to use Snap Mode to extend my line of coal generators, the new one tries to appear that same distance up (except that it isn't exactly 3+1 nudges, and I cannot align it exactly with the others).

Does anybody have suggestions for me here? Thanks!

[stone python]

windows 11 isnt terrible, *if you do a hundred things to debloat it. but it is all that debloating you have to do thats the problem

[sullen gull]

Got a link to the latest "debloating" avenues you could post in #off-topic-tech ?

[sullen gull]

Using mods?

[sly patio]

First playthrough, so I am going 100% vanilla.

[sullen gull]

And have you tried a reload?

[sly patio]

Pretty sure I have done a full close and restart of the game, but I am doing so again right now to be sure. Is there a different meaning of "reload" that I should try here if that does not work?

[green fiber]

verify game files just to be save too

[sullen gull]

The only other time I have that happen to me is if something like a beam or maybe a wall outlet in the floor or something .

[sullen gull]

No, that was it.

[sullen gull]

Lol, that was the next thing I was planning to say 😛

[dense violet]

if verify doesn't do anything back up blueprints and save game files, delete and reinstall

very weirdthough

[sullen gull]

👆

[sly patio]

Going to exit, verify game, restart, check. Is there a way to post pictures, if that would be a helpful troubleshooting step?

[sullen gull]

You can start a thread in #1038092680493801533 . This way all convo realated is contained there.

[lapis shadow]

So long as they are part of the same rail system, only one train station will be consuming that initial 50mws of power draw right? Additional ones will be powered but at no additional power cost since they're hooked up to the same railway or...?

[sly patio]

I don't think it is anything in the place where I am trying to build, as I can easily replicate with the miner on any resource patch within my easy travel range.

[sullen gull]

Fair. That is a strange one.

[dense violet]

each train takes up power

and they have variable consumption rates

[spare cradle]

I need to redo the shape of my storage, its lop

[lapis shadow]

I know each engine will but what about the stations? When placing one it says it has 50mw power cost, but placing additional ones are hooked up to the same network so are they powered by the first one at no additional cost?

[dense violet]

Oh you mean platforms. Don't know if they consume power?

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-a-trap-dominic-toretto-vin-diesel-fast-x-they're-luring-you-in-gif-13500803666361148163

[dense violet]

!wikisearch platform

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=platform

[dense violet]

yup, each platform 50mw

[spare cradle]

I messed up making it and will need to fix it

Its only like, one foundation off

[sullen gull]

Just call that first one a "practice run" 😏

[spare cradle]

... I could do an asymetrical design

[sullen gull]

I mean, if you need to move it, you "could" do it with SCIM 😏

[spare cradle]

Its a storage node and will be needing to make more

[sly patio]

Update: Either I had not, in fact, done a restart, or the integrity validation fixed something, but, in either case, things are now snapping to the ground properly, and the floating gifts have vanished. Thank you for your help!

[spare cradle]

AND, probably just make 2 blueprints with with each section for less screw up

[lapis shadow]

Does a train need a payload to travel places? I just set up a small test loop with 2 stations in a circle and I set the timetableup and the train won't move. The station is powered and the train is set to automatic.

[sullen gull]

Did you turn on auto?

[fast ruin]

Nope, train travel from stations to stations

[sullen gull]

But no, doesn't need a load

[gaunt smelt]

why people want so many obeliscs?

idk i have seen alr a few obelisc factories

and a guy doing 500/min

like bro ._.

[sullen gull]

Oh. Because ADA tells you to build up! 😏

[gaunt smelt]

oh well

[fast ruin]

Are the stations in the right direction ? Both powered ? Locomotive in right direction ? Otherwise ask in the #1038092680493801533

[lapis shadow]

Ohhhh it wasn't working because I had the timetable set up to where the train would have to be facing the other direction to work haha. I didn't think that would matter since it can go backwards

[sullen gull]

If doing a push/pull, the stations have to face away from each other

[lapis shadow]

ah makes sense

[dim flint]

@compact hollow don't forget to sloop the slugs.

[fast ruin]

And you need to have 2 locomotive if you do push and pull

[sullen gull]

One on each end.

Also facing opposite directions.

[feral jay]

Push/pull is evil. Make loops.

[sullen gull]

I wouldn't say "evil".. but definately limits any expansion 🤷‍♂️

[dim flint]

Push pull avoids needing to make curves 😛

[dusky hedge]

i came to the conclusion that push pull is too risky cos a train can be turned around and enter a station facing the wrong way
so having multiple cars of diferent goods could end in disaster

[misty pasture]

i made space elevater

[dim flint]

This would be nice if you could assign directions to junctions.

----<=======>-----

[sullen gull]

That's why you make it strickly push/pull. No loopback

Then the train cannot "turn around"

[dusky hedge]

if you add a station half way along the route and it enters from left then exits from right its facing the oposite way

[sullen gull]

Then that's not a push/pull 😛 Imo, a push/pull only has two stations. One on each end. ,

[fast ruin]

If you need one isolated node and not a lot of space a push pull is simple to set up than to make the return loop

[dim flint]

Sometimes I feel like doing this:

|-----|
|     |
|     |
|--Y--|
   |
   |

But this requires my trains to be symmetric, which I don't generally do.

[dusky hedge]

push pull can be an entire network

which is why i see it as risky, if you dont have a clear image of the entire network you can order a train to the wrong station and it can be turned around

if each train only carries one type of goods then it wouldnt matter

[fast ruin]

Build roundabout

[pallid epoch]

where could i ask about things being added to the game

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @sullen gull

[unborn moss]

If you know a train is carrying 2 types of goods on a push/pull station, just add a smart splitter sorter at the unload station 😄

[leaden turret]

you can also ask here if people know if stuff is already going to be / not going to be added

[sullen gull]

Golf?

[leaden turret]

🏈🦵

[dim flint]

I just want trains to be able to select load/unload settings per car.

[dim flint]

rofl

Go Birds.

[sullen gull]

Considering each car need a platform ... you can?

[dim flint]

No the load/unload settings for waiting.

it's a buggy mess at the moment and doesn't let you wait until full for trains with some items you don't want to wait for.

[dusky hedge]

imo, if you start with trians that can only go one way, you avoid problems that you can cause later on, for pros its probably not an issue but i decided i dont want the headache

[sullen gull]

Pretty sure any "pro" is going to do a double rail network 🤷‍♂️

[peak plank]

I like Twains

[dim flint]

I just don't want to make more stations than I should need.

and this is a seperate complaint than single rails. I don't use those basically.

[oak nymph]

What is the point of logistics floor? I don't get it

[dusky hedge]

you dont need more stations, just have an exit a tthe back that loops back to the rail

[dim flint]

You aren't understanding my issue.

it has nothing to do with the rail looping.

[dusky hedge]

its tidier and the machines arent in the way

[oak nymph]

Like to make walking in the factory possible?

[sullen gull]

See, I am begnning to think you may be confusing a push/pull with a "single rail" system ..

[dim flint]

I have a station with a platform for iron plates, and a platform for nitric acid. I want the nitric acid to wait until fully loaded, but I do not want the iron plates to wait until fully unloaded. I cannot do this, so it's a pain.

[dusky hedge]

assuming your nitric acid is always full ( mine is) you could time it and use the timer?

[dim flint]

On the subject of push pull vs one rail.

This is one rail, but not push pull:

|--|_____|--|
|--|     |--|

This is push pull

-------

[dusky hedge]

my idea of push pull is when trains havetwo heads and can push and pull, a ntwork where all trains only have one engine is not push pull

and with one engine they can only ever enter a station facing one way

[dim flint]

It's not always full that's the issue, and I'm trying to make sure I get all 750 of it per minute I'm making.

[dim flint]

push pull has two engines.

[small perch]

I literally just lost 8 hours of progress even tho i saved it

how does that work??

[feral jay]

In my experience push/pull trains aren't as well bug tested as unidirectional trains

[dusky hedge]

check backup, someitimes my saves just dont work

[sullen gull]

OK, right, which, from what I have always seen, has a station at either end, nothing along the way. If there are more than two station, and you're having to "loop back". It's now a "single rail" network. 🤷‍♂️ BUT, I have not delved into trains, outside of an end-end, just yet. So idk, terminology and all.

[small perch]

Yea bro its literally just everything

[dim flint]

I haven't used them enough to know, but how would they have issues? The mechanics seem pretty straightforward.

[small perch]

its just gone, my last save was 8 hours before.

[dim flint]

no 5 min autosaves?

[small perch]

and I built 2 large farms bro

[small perch]

Yea i remember the game saving it a million times but its all just gone

makes literally no sense.

[feral jay]

Yeah the seem straightforward and I don't have anything to back it up, just that I've had a lot more issues with push/pull trains than single direction trains.

[dim flint]

That sucks. I haven't had an issue with the autosaves personally.

[hybrid nymph]

Hello my fellow Minecrafters and Ficsit pioneers

[dusky hedge]

your entire network can be push pull, but ech station behaves like a t junction, which is fine if the train always leaves in the same direction it entered from, but if the train sees a shorter rout, or if you think at 3 am "why dont i just use that train for this as well.. im a genius" it can cause massive issues

[dim flint]

I mean if you try to have more than one train on a push pull, IDK what you'd even expect.

[spare cradle]

Trains in themselves is a whole block of logistics

[dim flint]

signals aren't buggy for push pull, they are just not designed for it.

[sullen gull]

That just doesn't sound "intuitive" to me, so I would probably never try something like that 😛

[dim flint]

You'd need signals like path signals, but for the entire route, since as soon as two trains going oposite directions come at each other, you're fucked.

Best to just have bidirectional lines

[sullen gull]

Again, if you're trying to hit more than two stations, I don't see why one would use a push/pull... Makes more sense to use a unidirectional train (loco on one end) and provide a loop back on to the rail to get out 🤷‍♂️

[small perch]

so im gonna make a new map, i have 100 hours of knowledge now, what map do you guys recommend?

[sullen gull]

My personal fav is Rocky Desert

[dim flint]

not desert.

It's all the same map though.

[leaden turret]

community vernacular seems to be "start a new playthrough" in the context you're using "make a new map"

[dusky hedge]

we need to stop telling ppl its all one map
and add an achievement for how long it took to reach that moment of realization 🙂

[dim flint]

to be fair, making the loop back is sometimes a pain... but yea basically the only right way to do it.

[small perch]

yea sorry, should i talk to you in ur pronouns too

[spare cradle]

Its such a big map that it seems more than one

[dim flint]

The correct term is zone.

[leaden turret]

you want to try that again without the passive-aggressive bigotry?

[sullen verge]

it is one map, but for most people, the starting area will be what they see most anyway. Little reason to go all over

[sullen gull]

I feel like the original one was "You don't have to hold spacebar when autocrafting" ... Can't remember the count of how many "fixes" I've seen for that 🤣

[dim flint]

and the map is broken up into biomes.

[dusky hedge]

i learned that week before last 😐

[dim flint]

Most people should explore more.

When I got my first jetpack

oh man

I wish I could relive those days TBH.

[sullen verge]

I've explored or at least been to about 60% of the map but if you just count where I'm building so far, it'll only come up to a quarter of the areas at best.
Tho I'm only 99 hours in, phase 4

[fluid crow]

from someone who has recently been through this it's pretty peak

[dim flint]

I remember thinking early on, "how the fuck am I going to get that slug up on that pillar?". I didn't join this channel until pretty late into the game, so I just later learned about foundations I could stack... but then the jetpack completely blew my mind.

and the guns. I had no idea.

[sullen verge]

really liking the movement mechanics, titanfall vibes

[sullen verge]

ladder is life

[dim flint]

I love how you can "exploit" crouching to go really fast.

[karmic flint]

sanity check: you can right click to aim the rebar gun/rifle, right?

[fluid crow]

I was using big power poles to get everywhere

[dim flint]

you can right click if it makes you feel better, it will still aim. But no down the sights in the game.

[dim flint]

100%

[dim flint]

When I learned you could right click to have it hold the zip, I was sooooo happy.

Hours of sitting there ziplining, suddenly I could go afk and make food or whatever.

[sullen verge]

still having it sometimes not attach when I drop onto a line

[fluid crow]

same took a bit 🤣

[dim flint]

I probably did the trip from my starting zone to crater lake 100 times before I learned about that.

[hybrid nymph]

My best tip for defeating a nuclear hog, use the stun rebar to a mobilize it and then use the turbo rifle ammo to finish it off

[dusky hedge]

i noticed things die faster if you use more than one type of damage, cant verify it but seems to be the case

[sullen verge]

ah yes. Gotta love exploring and then suddenly hearing your geiger counter rapidly increasing

[dim flint]

I'm skeptical of this.

[hybrid nymph]

I'm skeptical too, as creatures have a set amount of hit points and you want a weapon that does a lot of damage really quickly like the turbo rifle ammo p

[dusky hedge]

fair, when i fight the big spitters i always damage them then hit with the stick and they die super fast, if i only use one it semms to take forever

[fluid crow]

I accidentally hit right click one time and had to figure out how that happened

[hybrid nymph]

Even though the individual shots don't do a lot of damage, the rapid fire speed of the turbo rifle ammo can do a lot of damage really quickly, you can defeat a nuclear hog with one full clip of turbo rifle ammo if you hit every shot

[dim flint]

exactly.

I think I thought it was a bug the first time.

[hybrid nymph]

Hey I don't know how train signals work so I always set up my trains on separate tracks because I could never figure them out, so is somebody wants to explain to me how train signals work or set them up for me I would greatly appreciate it

[sullen verge]

haven't really used them myself yet, but this video seemed quite comprehensive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNyjS6Nw4Tw

[dim flint]

Block signals are the basic type; they make sections of rail which only a single train can be in at a time. Path signals allow for the trains to go through the same section (color while building signals), if they don't collide. Use path signals to make overlapping intersections, and remember the rule: Path In, Block Out. Path signals into the intersection and block signals out of the intersection.

I could explain more with examples if you want but I'd have to log into the game and build some.

[grim carbon]

is it possible to edit the to-do list without opening the builder gui box?

[cursive crane]

Anything that allows you to mouse over that area. So.. i think from inventory as well?

[grim carbon]

ok

[keen marten]

anyone played workers & resources: soviet republic? on realistic mode?

[dusky hedge]

pretty sure you can hold control or shift to get mouse on screen, not in game cant check

[keen marten]

opening inventory brings up mouse

[grim carbon]

no you can't, i just checked it right after you said

[dusky hedge]

kk sry

might be to do with windowed or full screen

[grim carbon]

that's ok

[dusky hedge]

or maybe i dreamt it 😄

[grim carbon]

it's not that important

[keen marten]

interesting. yea the primary use is editing the todo list iirc

[grim carbon]

what is the difference between public notes and private notes?

and, also, do they serve any purpose?

[dusky hedge]

im sure i use it to change youtube vids and movies on other screen, but again, could be wrong

[keen marten]

you'd enjoy this. #satisfactory message

[dusky hedge]

damn it i have to load it up and check now 😐

[keen marten]

yea seems there's no way to mess with todo list or shopping list without opening up some gui screen like inventory

[lofty orbit]

Hey, so is the alien life form that Ada speaks to possibly mycelium

[dusky hedge]

yeah my reflex is to open inventory aswell, must ahve dreamt it 😐

[tired cypress]

Mushrooms are pretty weird, would make sense

[stone python]

ya, the mouse has to be free to get over to the right side of the screen, which requires yout o be in some sort of menu. I usually just hit tab to get to it

[cunning glade]

Chat should I make 9000 rubber a min does anything else besides plastic and powder really use oil?

Ig bauxite but I can always alt which u did last time

[lofty orbit]

And also the mycelium is sentient on the planet

[sullen gull]

It hold good convo?

[sullen verge]

my fabric is sentient?!

[lofty orbit]

And I’m pretty certain I would have to double check but one of the first orbs you can find is in a cave or at least there are a lot of them in caves or near mushrooms

[dense violet]

I think you're mixing this game with ST:discovery

[lofty orbit]

No, no I’m not

[sullen gull]

I believe there is a line where ADA states it asked it's permission or something lilke that

[lofty orbit]

Yeah, I just put that into the screenshots

But it was with the mycelium tool belt upgrade

[sullen gull]

@cerulean dawn Go in there and clap! 🤣

[lofty orbit]

?

[sullen gull]

The lights in Satisfactory have "The Clapper" installed 😏

[lofty orbit]

Also, I get I’m new here, but I really enjoy the symphonies that we will create

And I see

[sullen gull]

Consume

[lofty orbit]

Live laugh consume

But yeah, no clue. I’m the only one who has actually thought that the allium lifeforms are the mycelium that we collect or at least some sort of infection from the mycelium that is affecting our brains as the way how the entity speaks is by, I believe, forcing their thoughts into our head by lighting up the areas for understanding language, and then our brains processing that as us actually hearing it

Before you ask, I’ve already flushed a concrete stack down the toilet

[feral jay]

I do that every morning

[sullen gull]

May need some fiber 😏

[feral jay]

Or I eat too much of it

[sullen verge]

eat the mercer sphere

[lofty orbit]

They don’t taste that good no the Sam on the other hand I like the taste of the motorizing and then remastering

[dusky hedge]

the slugs look sugary

[lofty orbit]

Now you’re getting me to wonder how many grams of protein a power slug has and does it change, depending on its age

[fluid crow]

I got the best slug in town!

[dusky hedge]

packed with energy!

[sullen verge]

calories? yes

[fluid crow]

and possibly some constituents

[lofty orbit]

You know they’re probably incredibly caffeinated

[sullen gull]

How has noone mentioned the bacoshroom!?

[dusky hedge]

bacons are the best healer

i feel safer with themn than with an inhaler

[lofty orbit]

Permission to ask her Noone

[sullen gull]

Inhaler atw. But, I've gotten better with my jetpack fuel 😏

[dusky hedge]

inhaler has a delay, i can hit 4 bacons in 1 second

[hybrid nymph]

I'm still completely lost. When I hop on satisfactory tonight after I'm done at the gym I'm just going to have someone do it for me. Because I have no idea what I'm doing

[dim flint]

😭

[wispy osprey]

I just wish there was a way to automate inhalers but that would be too OP

Requires manual input

[sullen gull]

Eh, I also should mention I play on retaliate too (Though it seems borked and they don't actually fight back 🙁 )

[sullen verge]

make a small track and play around with them.

[wispy osprey]

Hatchers seem to be the only ones that retaliate

[sullen gull]

Easy enough to just pop down a craft bench and then delete it 🤷‍♂️

[sullen gull]

True. forgot about them

[hybrid nymph]

I play on passive because I don't like nuclear hogs.

[lofty orbit]

Fun fact, you can attach bombs to the outer body camera. I don’t know if you know that, but I just thought it was something neat that made me a friend laugh a lot

[sullen verge]

hatchers don't even react if you're crouched

[dusky hedge]

if all else fails, use only block signals and make bypasses for every congestion area, a bypass can go above and below aswell

[wispy osprey]

Hogs also made me change the setting to retaliate

You know the giant pit with coal nodes and water on the bottom? A hog actually shoved me off of that cliff

[dusky hedge]

youi can use pulse bombs to knock beasts off a cliff

[sullen gull]

Dune desert?

[wispy osprey]

Genuinely couldn't care less about mob aggression

[wispy osprey]

Nah somewhere south

[dusky hedge]

for hogs i mostly use poison nobelisks

and explo rebar

if im in a hurry then homing ammo

anyone know if nuke nobelisk kills nuclear hogs?

[wispy osprey]

It's the pit at snake tree forest

[lofty orbit]

Can I just say what are the chances that one of the members of coffee stain, read my theory and didn’t realize the implications or purposely put the implications there. I’ve been losing sleep over this.

[night lotus]

Sometimes my hot bar just changes belt tiers or completely removes the things is there a way to fix that?

[dusky hedge]

alt+ scroll

[night lotus]

No no

[sullen gull]

It usually happens by accidently changing by hitting the number while still in the build menu

[tough kelp]

I’m in my next phase on my first play through. Making aluminum. But my goal is items like assembly director system, but I don’t see anything that builds it. I’m
Obviously missing something

[sullen gull]

Check your milestones. It may not be unlocked yet

Tier 7

[night lotus]

So like on 1 I have belts and power and the belts should be tier5 but every once in a while it changes to 4. on 2 I have Colors and finishes and it removes the colors although I’ve never touched the memu

And I set up all the pipes on 3 and it just removed them

[sullen gull]

On hotbar 3?

[night lotus]

Yea

[sullen verge]

you unlock the project blueprints from the milestones. You also tend to need whatever thing/recipes you unlocked from those milestones as wel

[sullen gull]

I can't say why it would be doing that. Also, one tip is you don't really need to put all the pipes on the bar, you can just place one item from the category and hold E to change .works for any buildable, and with things like foundation parts, if you right click while holding E, it will cycle through the materials.

Having said all that, I have had it happen on multiplayer where when I load in to one I have been in before, I have to scroll through the bar to get it to refresh. And, I have a bad habit of hitting the number of something I want to use while in the build menu and it overwrites or removes what was on that number before 🤷‍♂️

If just started, maybe a reload?

[night lotus]

It bothers me but not enough to warrant a reload

It only really bothered me when I was doing aluminum and wondering why it was backed up

And realised my belts were lower tier

[sullen gull]

Yeah, I only keep Mk1 belts on my bar. And constantly use E to select the one I want 🤷‍♂️

#screenshots message The other bars are just random blueprints.

[sullen verge]

E on the constructor cycles between the assembler and manufacturer as well, refinery swaps with blender, etc...

[sullen gull]

Also PSA, can use CTRL to swap walls with windows/wall types,

[night lotus]

Aluminum is so nice with wet concrete

[sullen gull]

Without having to delete and rebuild the wall

[sullen gull]

Recylce, erry time 😏

[night lotus]

Also it’s weird how there’s just an alt recipe that’s better

In every way

[sullen verge]

usually there's a trade-off. Either complexity/power

[sullen gull]

Sloppy > Electrode > pure is a good 1:1 I like using.

[dusky hedge]

which belts do you use more often? i find im switching between highest tier and t1, so i have highest on hotbar and hit e once to get to t1

[sullen gull]

Probably going to start trying some silica builds for funsies though 😛

[sullen verge]

like yea, you can make half your factory only use iron inputs. Won't be as efficient

[sullen gull]

I use them all

[night lotus]

Use trucks for long distances in factory

[sullen gull]

If its >60, mk1, >120, mk2, >270, mk3, etc

[misty pasture]

help im stuck in a cavern with evil spiders and i dont have a jetpack or contrete 🙁

[dusky hedge]

do yoiu know if higher tiers use more computer resources (as in frame rate)

[night lotus]

Respawn

[misty pasture]

but then ill have to get my stuff back

and be stuck again

[stone python]

turn on keep inventory

[dusky hedge]

isnt there an unstuck feature?

[sullen gull]

I mean, mk6 can come out "blurry" on some machines probably. But they're also lit

[misty pasture]

ok

[sullen verge]

no exits on either end?

[night lotus]

Nobelisks

[dusky hedge]

i mean, will you get better performance from your pc if you use lowest tier of belt where possible?

[sullen gull]

But, I know nothing about any "computer issues" screwing up production rates 🤷‍♂️

[grim estuary]

Why isn't my power storage storing power?

[sullen gull]

Oh, I don't know if that really matters, but I just don't know...

But, remember: FICSIT TIP NO. 19 Faster belts don't necessarily mean faster production.

[sullen verge]

double-check. Is it connected. Do you have excess power?

[dense violet]

bioburners won't store power if you're trying that

[dusky hedge]

less options means faster decision making 😉

[grim estuary]

That was exactly the issue

[sullen gull]

But, like I said, if a machine requires >=60/min, I use a mk1 off the manifold.

[stone python]

i just use all max belts, aint got time to switch between belt types

[dense violet]

but honestly , bioburners are just power storage but as a different chemical battery. Wood and shit

[sullen gull]

Faster decision making doesn't equal better efficiency 😛 . If anything, it could lead to more mistakes 😉

[dense violet]

also they have a max power output of 30mw where as Power storage just dumps their power as much as they need

[dusky hedge]

i use highest for everything over 60 and t1 for everything under, less time wasted on unimportant things imo

[night lotus]

Can you move nitrogen by train?

[stone python]

yes

[dusky hedge]

yes

[sullen gull]

Nitrogen travels very well

[night lotus]

That’s fun

[dense violet]

you'll want to package it first

[sullen verge]

yes. packaged is most efficient

[sullen gull]

👆

[night lotus]

I wouldn’t want to

You don’t need headlift for gasses

And I don’t even know what pipe throughput is

[dusky hedge]

packaging fluids vs having an extra train, im on the extra train side

[dense violet]

you package gas because

1. it compresses 4x so you need far fewer cars even with empties in their own car
2. gasses HATE fluid buffers - you won't get anywhere near max flow

[night lotus]

But even if I do use a train fluid cars look really good

[sullen gull]

Nitrogen packages 4x. Much greater effeciency

[dusky hedge]

oh thats cool, i didnt know that

[sullen verge]

I match belts to in/output. This means that in any build, I need a whole spread of materials instead of a lot of one/two types.
easier to plop down a lot of blueprints if you don't have to wait for your pocket dimension to refill.

[sullen gull]

I only ever put machines down as blueprints anymore 😛

[night lotus]

But then I need aluminum for the canisters and all that

[dusky hedge]

if i could package nitrogen in nitrogen containers i would agree

[dense violet]

only the once off.

have like 1 machien make them and store lots.

[dusky hedge]

i see no need to send resources to my mitrogen outpost to make containers

[sullen gull]

Yeah, because you can just send the empties back and resue

[dense violet]

they just use the same containers to infinity

[sullen gull]

You don't. You make enough to equal the throughput

[night lotus]

Or pipe them across the map

[sullen gull]

and your trains that are bringing 5 fluid cars, can now bring two freight cars

[dusky hedge]

to be fair, i have never played end game so i dont know about mega factories, but i cant forsee myself needint to package nitrogen for through put in the near future

[night lotus]

But longer trains look cooler

[dense violet]

you tend to need more than just the expected throughput
you need empties waiting to be picked up, in transit ect

[sullen gull]

Er, that reply was meant to Grim 😛 mah baaad

[dusky hedge]

wouldnt 5 cars be simpler?

[dense violet]

so if I'm moving 2000 packaged water pm you'll almost certainly need more than 2000 containers

[sullen gull]

true

[night lotus]

I’m training 5 oil cars across the map not because it’s efficient but because it’s cool

[sullen verge]

that's a lot of extra space needed for the train station. Especially if you also use that train for other resources

[sullen gull]

Personally I just move nitrogen by drone 😛

[strong fiber]

For my aluminum factory for my nuclear plant theres a pure baux node and i dont have mk 6 belts so should i build for the 1200 baux/min or build for 780/min because mk5 max or should i come back when i unlock mk 6 belts

[dusky hedge]

they could be on 5 trains

it remeinds me of when they put dvd players into tvs

[dense violet]

drones and nitrogen are a perfect marriage. Most of the gas is in awkward spots with nothing else of interest nearby

[sullen gull]

👆

[strong fiber]

Unless you’re in crater lake trying to build a rocket fuel plant

Everything is literally right there

[sullen gull]

Do wha now?

[night lotus]

Crater lake my beloved❤️

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message

[strong fiber]

?

[sullen gull]

Are you all referring to Bluecrater?

[sullen verge]

maybe I should've made my power there. But I went for west-coast instead #screenshots message

[sullen gull]

Sorry, see above 😛

[strong fiber]

How many gens u got

[sullen gull]

Working on 672

[strong fiber]

Are they oc?

[sullen gull]

But, as always, obsessing over layout.

[sullen gull]

Always

[strong fiber]

How much oil

[night lotus]

Ew vertical pipes

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message This... OC version

[strong fiber]

Cuz dang that’s probably alot of rocket fuel you are making my good sir

[sullen gull]

7k

[stone python]

verticle pipes work just fine if you do them right

[strong fiber]

Rocket fuel is technically a gas so no headlift requirement so its not that big of a deal

[sullen gull]

Gas mate 😏

[strong fiber]

Exactly

[night lotus]

Oh

[strong fiber]

#screenshots message this is a repost but heres my plant

[sullen gull]

BUT, there will be refineries and blenders on the other levels, so there will be vertical pipes for fluids 🙂

[night lotus]

Can the drones take coal?

[strong fiber]

As long as its not a fluid

So yes but you might need alot of drones

[night lotus]

Packaged liquid biofuel

[sullen gull]

no

[dense violet]

yeah but RF sucks donkey butt 😛

[strong fiber]

They can take packaged things aswell

[sullen gull]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Drone

#screenshots message

[strong fiber]

I did not like having to travel across seven oceans just to find some nitrogen gas and sulfur

And i had to pipe it over

[dense violet]

easy solution - no RF 😛

[night lotus]

What is even ionised fuel

[dense violet]

great jet pack fuel

[strong fiber]

Best fuel in the game (for jetpack)

[sullen verge]

rocket fuel with a sprinkling of powerslug

[strong fiber]

Not good for producing power

[night lotus]

Do you need rocket fuel for that?

[stone python]

even ionized fuel is fuel counted in multiples of 2

[sullen gull]

Basically, nuke is NOT more effecient (or easier to build) than RF. Bout the only thing it's got going is the "cool" factor

[strong fiber]

Yes

[strong fiber]

Can someone answer my question please

is very important

[dense violet]

eh, the base nuclear recipes are very easy. More steps but smaller too.
plus you don't need endless generators.
2000 fuel gens? no thanks
200 nuclear? yes pls

[wispy osprey]

At this point I'm starting to think nuclear vs rocket power is purely preference

[dense violet]

up to you. If you want

[night lotus]

Like make it now but make it inefficient until you have the t6 belts

[sullen gull]

You can allways "build for the future" Or just leave room for expansion. All up to you.

[wispy osprey]

It's pretty contentious and I want to plan around nuclear in my playthrough

[night lotus]

Do you need nuclear to finish the game?

[strong fiber]

Id rather build for the future cuz then all i have todo is not forget to upgrade my belts before my nuclear plant dies of lack of aluminum

[dense violet]

full nuclear w/o alt recipes is simple and is more power than almost everyone playing the game will ever use

[wispy osprey]

Ficsonium

[dense violet]

you can, very easily, do all the phases with just diluted fuel

not even a challenge

[feral jay]

Nuclear/Plutonium/Ficsonium are the "endgame bosses", as it were

As in optional side content superbosses

[sullen gull]

Don't get me wrong, nuke builds are fun and do look "better" than a field of gens. But, like with the build I am working on. it won't look like a "field of gens". But, I also plan on doing a nuke build after this RF one, Because it's fun! 😛

[coral marsh]

I wanna see someone do it with just coal, petroleum coke may end up being the requirement lol

[night lotus]

Is 6 fused modular frames pm good?

[coral marsh]

Yes

[wispy osprey]

Maybe I'll make a RF plant down the line

Definitely need to upgrade or completely redo my turbofuel plant when I unlock blenders in the next teir

[sullen gull]

If not going for crazy numbers, I'd imagine it's doable

[coral marsh]

Quite

[night lotus]

I found a really good spot

[dense violet]

nah, people have done it with bio burners

[feral jay]

Well that was a fun hobbit run, 20 mercer spheres, 5 sloops, and bazillions of remains and wood

[dense violet]

and with sloops you could do BIO uranium rods, just pig meat and SAM

[coral marsh]

Oh thats cool, but I bet annoying

[sullen gull]

Or just wait til Rf if your power is already working fine 🤷‍♂️

[coral marsh]

Hey wait, can the bio burner actually use packaged bio fuel?

[wispy osprey]

My refinery takes like 5GW, and that's just one of my planned facilities

[night lotus]

It sucks that you need to unlock all of t8 for rf

[dense violet]

you know... I don't know

[sullen gull]

I belileve it can

[coral marsh]

I must find out, be right back

[dense violet]

that would certainly be the most energy dense fuel it could use then

[coral marsh]

Heck yea

[sullen gull]

Wiki says yes

[wispy osprey]

It's "okay" but it could be better

Turbo blend fuel my beloved

[coral marsh]

Its just water and bio mass yes?

[sullen gull]

If it "gets you there" then it's fiiiiine 😏

[sullen gull]

Solid biomass, but yea

[night lotus]

Is the diluted fuel blender recipe any good

[coral marsh]

Thought so

[wispy osprey]

But power requirements!

At this rate I'll easily consume 6-8GW with my main factory idea

My current total is 25~

[sullen gull]

But, Liquid Bio is one of the Goats of the jetpack. So always good to have some on hand till you can buy/make ionized 😛

The other fuels are "ok", but I'm not a fan of the burn rate on them

[coral marsh]

I use rocket fuel atm, but i will be producing far more than enough ionized fuel in the future so I will be using that instead

[wispy osprey]

My current turbofuel setup blows, I need to redo it anyway

[sullen gull]

Yeah, in my last "normal" playthroughs, I did 64x coal gens, then worked with that till I got RF and did something like 100GW

[sullen gull]

Ionized isn't really great for power. The net reutrun to make just isn't worth it.

[dense violet]

it's basically the same, especially now with blueprints

[sullen gull]

Usually just automate some for the jetpack and call it a day imo

[sullen verge]

went from 16 coal gens to 40 diluted packaged fuel gens to 576 RF gens

[coral marsh]

Can confirm, it does

[willow pond]

1.2 should change geysers to either launch us in the air or fry us 🤣

[sullen gull]

And, I overclock literally everything, and havn't blown a fuse in a very long time 😛

[coral marsh]

And the consumption rate is stellar its 25 seconds at 100% clock speed

[wispy osprey]

I went from coal to an early turbofuel plant

But a good turbofuel needs blenders

[night lotus]

How much rf do the generators take

Without power shards

[sullen gull]

Look up Fuel Generator on the wiki. But I believe it's like 4.66666667/min

[night lotus]

Wow

[coral marsh]

Rf?

[sullen gull]

Rocket Fuel

[coral marsh]

Ah

[night lotus]

4.166667

[coral marsh]

Its not bad honestly, ionized fuel is 3/m at 100% clock speed

[wispy osprey]

That's with alt: nitro rocket fuel right?

[night lotus]

If I were to turn all my turbo fuel into rf I’d get 400

[sullen gull]

But, the power required to make it, given the machines required, doesn't really give a good 'net gain' to be worth using it in the gen

[night lotus]

and extra compacted coal

[sullen gull]

Sulfur eater imo

[feral jay]

60/14.4, to be exact

[dense violet]

if I recall correctly you wind up with less power output turning RF to IF plus the cost of extra machines

[wispy osprey]

Good to know, I'll stick with baseline RF in late game

[coral marsh]

Yea ik. That's why im also focusing nuclear as the main endgame power project, im only gonna be supplying ionized to 600 fuel gens as a fun side project

[sullen gull]

You can feed that compacted coal back in and won't have to make as many to make it in the beginning.

[coral marsh]

Yea

Ill be consuming roughly 56Gw and producing 112.5Gw from all of them

[night lotus]

🤤 I can’t wait to unlock it

[wispy osprey]

The factory must grow

[night lotus]

I love oil

And my main factory is in the blue crater already

[wispy osprey]

I'm using blue crater to make my baseline materials to transport

The beach on the other side of the map is gonna be my power setup

[night lotus]

What I’m seeing is the devs made an area with every resource you would ever need

Except aluminum ig

[sullen gull]

I mean, there are a good few spots like that on the map 😛

[feral jay]

Until you need uraniunm, bauxite, or quartz

[night lotus]

Quartz is like 500m away

[dense violet]

the swamp has everything and bauxite iirc

[night lotus]

And when would I ever need uranium

[sullen gull]

What do you mean? It's very easy to gather all 12,300 bauxite! 😏 #screenshots message

[feral jay]

True, you don't need it...

[night lotus]

No you don’t

You have all the oil in the world to your disposal

And coal

[wispy osprey]

I will because I'm rebellious and want nuclear power anyway because screw you

[night lotus]

I mean you do whatever you want

[wispy osprey]

yes!

[sullen gull]

But .... using uranium can be fun too! 😏 #design-and-architecture message

[night lotus]

I’m making modular motors there

If that’s where I think it is

Yea

[sullen gull]

Don't recall what the western beach is called.

[night lotus]

There’s 2 pure and like 2 normal nodes of oil

And a fracking area

[sullen gull]

And a resource well

[grim estuary]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1457944297587609730

[night lotus]

And it’s on the edge so you can train very easily

[sullen gull]

Also some bauxite up on the plateau not too far 😛

[night lotus]

Yea

Really good place

[sullen gull]

You look at the info of the radar and it tells how many are in the area.

[night lotus]

I’m making supercomputers and radio systems right there too

[grim estuary]

Isn't there a way to see them on the map though?

[sullen gull]

Otherwise it doesn't unhide like ore. If you want to see them revealed, you can check SCIM

[sullen gull]

Not in game

[grim estuary]

Oh

[sullen gull]

Same for mercers, sloops, and wrecks

[night lotus]

What’s tragic is that I put a radar tower just far enough away to where I couldn’t see the iron and copper right under my nose

[sullen gull]

On that same beach? or BlueCrater?

[night lotus]

Um the desert lookin biome right beside the beach

[sullen gull]

Ahh, Yeah I was going to say, one con of that location is that ores aren't exactly "under your nose" lol. They are up through the cliffs

[night lotus]

I went and made a really dumb train to get all the resources that were beltable

[wispy osprey]

I've heard some people like rocky desert, that region is so dry of resources

[sullen gull]

No. Rocky Desert is pretty balanced.

[dense violet]

3 of the 4 starting areas are VERY similar
northern forest just has more pure nodes closer together but you have to build taller

[feral jay]

I started in the rocky desert this save, sulfur is actually the rarest so far for me

[acoustic tapir]

I build my factories above ground most of the time anyway. 🤷‍♂️

[night lotus]

My 2d brain can’t fathom verticality

[acoustic tapir]

... like, way above ground.

[sullen gull]

One node up on the plateau (Crater lakes), and then, iirc, two just below that one.

[wispy osprey]

Shoutouts to people that also stay in the sky despite it not being recommended

[acoustic tapir]

... is it not?

[feral jay]

There's two pretty close by, on each in crater lake and the northern forest, close to each other

[wispy osprey]

I don't know or particularly care, trains on a flat surface are that good

[acoustic tapir]

Oh, I've never even built a train.

[feral jay]

#screenshots message that's what happens to my ticket generation when I expand the DD, I sink everything

[wispy osprey]

My first train line is going to a central hub bringing steel/iron ingots, concrete, plastic, rubber, copper sheet

[strong fiber]

Can someone please help me with this aluminum factory i cant figure out how to build it without using full 600/min belts of recycled water or without merging waste and fresh water anyone got any ideas?

[feral jay]

Any reason not to merge the fresh water with waste?

[strong fiber]

I thought it was bad to do that

[sullen gull]

Ohhhhh ... that can of worms 🤣

[feral jay]

It can be... tricky, the first time you do it, but that's it

Lemme get an overhead of the one I just set up, it's pretty simple for a first go at aluminium

[strong fiber]

But this aluminum factory is for my nuclear power plant theres alot riding on it😭

[sullen gull]

Personally, I build aluminium in "blocks" of 600 like this: #math-and-meta message

[strong fiber]

My first aluminum plant is horrible i ended up having to just turn the water into concrete and sink it

[night lotus]

That’s a good thing

[sullen gull]

I have it in a blueprint, but you can follow the same principles and build it normally.

[feral jay]

You should also sit and stare at it, for like 10 minutes or so, after it's all up and running, watching the indicator lights to see if they change from green to yellow

[sullen gull]

The most important bit is the "priority" junction that is bringing in 180/min fresh.

[strong fiber]

I feel like it should be recycled as priority?

wait nevermind because fresh is what boots the whole system up

[sullen gull]

But, this is using the sloppy >electrode >pure alts

[strong fiber]

Im not using electrode no oil in my area this time

Im using sloppy plus pure

[sullen gull]

The "initial bootup" will take a second, but it blanaces out quickly, I have used this setup 6 times in builds and tested the bejebus out of it, and every time, it's at 100% within 5 minutes.

[strong fiber]

So fresh water in priority and recycled in second priority

[sullen gull]

I have one manifold going between the sloppy and electrode refineries, all at the same level.

[feral jay]

@strong fiber the blue pipes are water, those 5 alumina solution refineries need 900 water/min together, which they get as the waste from the alumina scrap refineries

[strong fiber]

So if im looking at a junction and its in the floor which one is priority and second priority

[sullen gull]

From what I have experienced, when the thing is "cycled", it only ever pulls water from the fresh line when it needs it. Otherwise the sloppy is always using recycled first.

[sullen gull]

If you're on PC I can send you the BP and you can look at it in a creative save, mk3 designer

[feral jay]

I feed the fresh water in one side of the pipe manifold and the waste water into the other in that setup. ANother way to accomplish the same thing is a VIP junction

[strong fiber]

Thats why i thought recycled in primary no? Because it wont pull from if theres no water but as soon as it boots up it wont pull from fresh it will perfer recycled

[strong fiber]

Im on console

[sullen gull]

But otherwise, the fresh is the single line coming up from the floor

[night lotus]

I know it’d take the fun out of everything but just releasing the water back into the lake or whatever you got it from is so much more logical

[sullen gull]

Ahh ok

[night lotus]

I can see why it isn’t in the game

[strong fiber]

Flood the lake ong

[night lotus]

Word

[feral jay]

yep it would just make fluids... too easy

[night lotus]

When the weather cycle dropping

[strong fiber]

My brain is confuzled

[sullen gull]

It will pull from the fresh. But, the recylced keeps the lower pipe "full" after it's running. And nothing ever backs up

[strong fiber]

So bottom is primary then correct

If your junction is on a wall?

[sullen gull]

OK, Inital startup, you pump 180 water perminute, take a second for the system to "kick-on" and then, once the scrap machines kick on, it starts filling the "bottom line". After that, water only ever moves from the "fresh" line (the one coming up from the floor) when ever the "bottom line" needs it

The only "down-side" to this is that I do end up using a tone more refineries when doing all the bauxite.

[strong fiber]

Imma build the scrap machines and test a system rq

[sullen gull]

But, it does use "less power" than the alterantive at the end 🤣

[strong fiber]

So if my refinery needs 300 water/min and i recyle 180 i need 120 water/min?

[fluid crow]

iirc someone said liquid bio fuel was better than packaged fuel for jet pack, why is that?

jus wondering if that's worth setting up right now

[feral jay]

Longer burn time. Totally worth it. Liquid biofuel is pretty easy to set up.

[sullen gull]

@strong fiber Not sure if this helps at all: #screenshots message

[feral jay]

The first time I strap on liquid biofuel every game, I feel like I'm cheating

[sullen gull]

Burns longer than every fuel except Ionized. Though it is slow

[dense violet]

you will, however, have an easier time keeping fresh and waste water's split, instead of relying on an exploit that is fiddly

[fluid crow]

cool I'm a try it out

[dense violet]

like so - blue is fresh, red is waste https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1347741162018046083/1347747308623892551/image.png?ex=695dbafe&is=695c697e&hm=cdef47047c6cc96b54e4050716dcd6cd8fec4145bfafb4fede8b66d66cdf4dfd&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[strong fiber]

Literally would give me an harder time and my brain would literally collapse id rather test an exploit than see my brain fight for life inside of my head

[sullen gull]

I mean, works the same way in actual fluid systems as well. Soooooo not sure why it's an exploit. And, I have been running this setup for a could couple thousand hours, has never failed yet.

[strong fiber]

Im trying to work with 2400 baux/min

[feral jay]

THe problem with exploits is that they get unexpectedly fixed with new releases

[dense violet]

all this is is a bit of clocking.

40% of the bauxite uses fresh water? just clock it to that

[dense violet]

oh break that up into chunks, do NOT link them all together

[sullen gull]

👆

[feral jay]

I link my fresh and waste water, but I like to make things difficult for myself

[strong fiber]

Its broke up into 1200/min 600/min and two 300/min lines is that good or nah

[dense violet]

and the clocking is just this. It's really really simple https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1364891243641049098/ratios.png?ex=695d7a46&is=695c28c6&hm=b620b246ecfd0e468ae8f89fb053b73f2bd52e258df1e816198ac95cdca5313a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[dense violet]

eh if you have mk6 belts it's prob fine, just don't link their fluids together at all

[strong fiber]

No mk6 belts yet

[feral jay]

That is now the jankiest illustration I've seen on this server. You win thirteen Internet points.

[strong fiber]

But soon i promise

[dense violet]

then do each belt/node individually

[feral jay]

Isn't there a relatively well known graphic of at least a couple of common aluminium setups?

[strong fiber]

Im planning for the future i WILL need them eventually as im using a pure node which produces 1200/min

[feral jay]

I can't find it

[sullen gull]

The curret one I use is just 4 refineries. Two for sloppy @ 150 and two electrode @ 200 . 600 baux > 600 ingots

[strong fiber]

Also that makes it look alot easier im gonna make a blueprint with those ratios and put 4 of em down

[dense violet]

that's for sloppy + electrode , you'd need slightly different numbers for other recipes

oh and ofc the top is for 780 baux and bottom 600

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message

Seems like a much easier setup to me 🤷‍♂️

[feral jay]

#screenshots message

Found it

[dense violet]

VIPs , even when copied exactly, can jsut not work. Also susectiple to any pipe mechanic changes in the future just outright murdering every VIP in the game.

since who the fuck actually knows why they work?

and while it would be extremely sad if they all died, it would also be really fucking funny

[feral jay]

Yeah I avoid them

VOPs on the other hand are an intended mechanic afaik

[dense violet]

this will be me when and if VIPs die. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuoToHKCas4

[sullen gull]

Ummm, should be pretty intuitive.. the main line is full. and You can't move water into something that is full. As soon as it cycles, sloppy brings in it, the electrode push out. And the "fresh" only fills the remainder. I have used this same design on multiple saves, multiple computers, and not once has it broke. Whatever "testing" you all where doing in early access is moot imo

[dense violet]

testing has shown that junctions facing different ways can murder them
testing has shown that the number of actual pipe segments below/above the vip can murder them

they run on pure bullshit and have been publicly disowned by their creator

[feral jay]

No, intuition tells me that fluid entering from above should displace fluid in a lower pipe, because gravity and momentum. VIPs work exactly counter to that.

[sullen gull]

And, As I said, 24 of these blocks all running in the same area, running around with the hover back, placing mass bluprints and everything.

[feral jay]

He really should add that to the manual

[feral jay]

Until they "fix" the mechanic that makes them possible

[dense violet]

yup they 100% work 80% of the time

for every person that has gone 'vips have worked for me every single time' there's like 5 that build them, as far as anyone can tell, exactlyi as needed.

[feral jay]

Does someone have a link to a post where McGalleon redacted the design?

[dense violet]

Use them if you want, but they work off magic pixie shit

gross glitter everywhere

[sullen gull]

Offset due to the water having to "rise"
up the pipe as it's coming up from below, so no real gravity pushing on it except what's in the small hoizontal section. Works as intented imo and it's only because people "think" that pipes should be able to run in a straight manifold is the real reason for all these "oddities" imo

[feral jay]

You're describing a Varriable Output Juntion, not a Variable Input Junction.

I think, anyway

[sullen gull]

Don't really care what it's called. My only point is that it has, since I started doing it about 6 months after 1.0, it has continued to remain "unbroken" 🤷‍♂️

I totally get that pipes probably went through a lot of "growing pains" But outside of the junction stuff (Which is easy enough to prevent so long as junctions are placed the right way) and the only other one I've seen is the miscalculation of headlift from the inital pipe.

[atomic girder]

https://tenor.com/view/dalek-explain-doctor-who-what-is-happening-gif-16862813

Awww, my gifs don't work here

[feral jay]

It matters because the two operate on entirely different principles, and I'm not sure which one you're talking about

[sullen gull]

Whatever you want to call what I am doing in the screenshots I've provided 🤷‍♂️

[feral jay]

ohh sorry missed the screenshots

Yeah that's a variable input priority junction. It could break with any update.

[sullen gull]

Just me yammering about Aluminium and recycling waste 😛

[atomic girder]

Oooooo