satisfactory

[upper gale]

It's the tilted wall I think but put a customization on it, ehh I'm forgetting what it is

I've used it before though

Wait no

It's a roof

Found it,
Awesome shop customizer tab, "glass roof material"

It would go on the roof 4m

[wispy osprey]

I'm trying to gamble on getting steel canister

Reloading a save for 2 hours is fun

[worldly portal]

ty bro

[oak nymph]

Good luck

[upper gale]

That's quite a long time. Don't wanna get a few more harddrives first?

[wispy osprey]

I don't want to meet certain hard drive prerequisites, and don't need all the recipes to complete the game

[oak nymph]

I bought something at the shop and I didn't get it

[wispy osprey]

Just the most useful ones that I like

[upper gale]

If you keep them in the hard drive library they'll be taken out of the pool of possible recipes you can get

So i just keep them there that way it holds 2 recipes each and my next hard drives will more likely have what I want

[oak nymph]

It said a message like delivery delayed when will I get the part I bought

[wispy osprey]

Why is loading my save being really stupid right now?????????????

Why can't I play the game

[sullen gull]

Check the "Purchaces" Tab

[wispy osprey]

Jesus fucking christ finally

[oak nymph]

Ty

[upper gale]

It was doing that for me too lol just said something like "offline" and also wasn't overwriting my save. Fixed with a game restart

[wispy osprey]

I'm just gonna stick with offline mode

Servers suck

[humble nebula]

Ive been playing for over 27 HOURS T^T

I need to stop :,D

[wispy osprey]

I've pulled several all nighters on work nights with this game before

[leaden turret]

don't forget to sleep and poop

[dim flint]

Does anyone else wish there was a micro buffer with 2 inputs and two outputs which could be used as a splitter or merger for 1:2 or 2:1, or even 2:2 (balanced)?

[wispy osprey]

I haven't done all nighters with a game since terraria

[humble nebula]

sleep? never heard of that

[wispy osprey]

4~ years ago

[leaden turret]

it's that thing we used to do back in the days of slow internet on patch day

[eager harbor]

Guys I started game yesterday and now I can unlock coal do I unlock it

[wispy osprey]

Yes

[upper gale]

Did you get this idea from Shapez

[dim flint]

I played for days before I unlocked coal... so much biomass, not worth it.

[humble nebula]

It seems so far I almost dont remember

[dim flint]

No. I got this idea after staring at my train buffer for a bit just now.

[clear tartan]

mk1 pipes but its a normal oil node

[dim flint]

Realized I could use storage units for this purpose but never have.

[wispy osprey]

An efficient coal setup can make 5,000 MW early on

Imagine the bio burner equivalent lol

[eager harbor]

But I can unlock vehicle transport or basic steel production or enhanced asset security or advanved steel production or ficsit blueprints or hypertubes

[clear tartan]

@golden nexus

[eager harbor]

Ooffff

[wispy osprey]

It's also the first permanent power solution that doesn't require manual input

[eager harbor]

After coal what should I get from these I mentioned

[eager harbor]

^^

[wispy osprey]

They're all easy to get

[fast ruin]

Me looking at particle accelerator only requiring some copper and cubes that i already have : "it's fine"
Me seeing the particle accelerator eating my entire power grid + storage in less than 1 min : "I'm in danger"

[wispy osprey]

Do transport first I suppose

After coal*

[golden nexus]

So make it do 300 by clocking it to 250% ad you get 10 plastic or 10 rubber ref's on it

[wispy osprey]

Finally! Steal canisters

[golden nexus]

@clear tartan if its your first time doing oil, you should do 10 of each to give you 200/min of rubber and 200/min plastic and also this will produce 300/min of HOR which you can convert to pet coke and sink it

[leaden turret]

-# steal canisters is instruction to thievery

[clear tartan]

why not make the heavy oil into fuel?

[dim spoke]

for alternate recipes do i pick bolted frame or stiched iron plante

[sick falcon]

do i need to have fuel at both drone ports or just one

[golden nexus]

you can if you want, but you won't have fuel gens until later

[clear tartan]

i mean

i have them unlocked by spending tickets on rescourses

which i should probably stop doing

[golden nexus]

heh, you pay for this later

[clear tartan]

im already starting to pay for that

for being a bit lazy

[sullen gull]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1q35tir/call_of_factory_cod_inspired_map_in_satisfactory/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[whole drum]

There are ways to strategically shortcut resources for the MAM/milestones before you have them automated, but there are very few cases I can think of where it's worth it

[oak nymph]

I hate the sound of spider walking

[fading whale]

Well you can switch to kitty mode.
But that's just more disconcerting imo.

[fast ruin]

any idea of ration between uranium waste/uranium power plant vs plutonium power plant?

[covert quarry]

is iron rod nessescary towards like mid game?

[fast ruin]

depend if you have alternate recipes

[whole drum]

It's used for a lot of components and some buildings

I use them through the whole game for building ladders

[fast ruin]

it's alway nice to have some going into spatial depo

[covert quarry]

so i should js build 10K factories then😭

[whole drum]

No, you build what you need

!wikisearch independancy

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=independancy

[covert quarry]

10K factories is needed for what i need 🙂

[whole drum]

Then build them

[old gull]

Make some Blueprints of factory parts and it will be done quicker than you think.

[covert quarry]

i just got to phase 1...

[grizzled lotus]

#screenshots message does the number below include the number above?

[old gull]

My biggest trouble in that phase is power

[gritty zealot]

whos up factorising right now??

[covert quarry]

yea im relying on biofuel😭

[gritty zealot]

WHAAAAAAT

[grizzled lotus]

yes. as a general rule to make your game easier and more fun, try to build a factory for everything. Iron plates, iron rodes, screws, reinforced iron paltes, etc

[covert quarry]

im still building my factories i can "dupe" using splitters so i can have a bit of everything it takes so long to build

[gritty zealot]

how do you do anything WITHOUT iron rods is my question, its necessary as soon as you start the game

[gritty zealot]

you must expand to coal!!1

[covert quarry]

yea i built for everything 1 factory🤣 so now i have a collection

[covert quarry]

yea ik

[old gull]

As long as it is not in the desert, you can make a powerfactory

[covert quarry]

yea i chose rocky desert...

but i do have a beach

[whole drum]

Rocky is 2nd best start imo

[versed palm]

wait what you can click a conveyor belt with another thier and it replaces it?! what i didnt know 🙏

[old gull]

Getting to coal is my first goal in every run. I hate biofuel.

[versed palm]

thats insane

[gritty zealot]

how many times have you finished the game for you to rate all the starter areas?

[whole drum]

You can do this with other things that have tiers as well: water pumps, pipes, conveyor lifts, power poles, etc

[stone fern]

welcome to satisfactory

[whole drum]

Starting location has little to do with finishing the game--it's about how well you can progress through the early tiers. Once you're in phase 3 or 4, there's not a significant difference to your overall play.

[old gull]

Try the R Button while Building and the CTRL. You will be amazed.

[verbal solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/smiles-happy-gif-10778999771644652214

hello, who will play with me? send me the IP Address in the chat?

[whole drum]

Use #1201555265942724758

[verbal solstice]

thx

[oak nymph]

Should I make more plastic or more rubber?

[whole drum]

Another thing you may appreciate, you can hotkey things from your production menu (build gun) by mousing over them and pressing the number you want to assign--then when you actually use the hotkey, upgradable things like belts, pipes, power poles can be cycled between tiers you have unlocked by tapping E.

[whole drum]

Early on you will probably use more rubber, but do like 60/40 or something

[oak nymph]

With polymer resin

What is rubber used for vs plastic

[whole drum]

Lots of alt recipes use it, trains, fuel gens (which you will want if you make fuel for power), Mk3 power poles, etc

[sick falcon]

both are used for basically everything, just make 50/50 for now

[whole drum]

I do 60/40 because when I'm setting up oil for the first time I'm making fuel gens

[oak nymph]

I can do that I have a output of 180 polymer resin

[whole drum]

Subsequent oil factories I build what I need for something else

[sick falcon]

i love sending 20k mw through a single cable

cant wait for the wiring realism update

[whole drum]

Yeah, might be waiting awhile, lol

[chilly spear]

Should i add the twin towers, Parliamentary assembly of B&H, and a few other skyscrapers to my world?

[whole drum]

It's your world

[chilly spear]

No shit

[whole drum]

You don't need permission

[chilly spear]

Youre the boss man

[grizzled lotus]

I think I may need to upgrade my planning. I need to go mega-corporate or something

thinking of chugging a couple of freight cars for basic materials such as cables, plastic etc to one spot where I can turn everything into supercomptuers

or maybe build each part seperately and join them?

[whole drum]

It might be easier to make high volume products like cables/wires/screws on site

Would depend on your layout/method, but that's been my experience

[grizzled lotus]

yeah. I was mostly talking like for supercomputers, I need high speed connectors, ai limiters and computers. but instead of shipping those I would ship their base materials and build them all on-site the same place where I would make supercomputers

[dim spoke]

#screenshots message
should i make my coal factory here when my coal node is the one on the bottom

[grizzled lotus]

man getting tired just thinking about the work

[grizzled lotus]

which starting location is that?

[dim spoke]

950m of coal transport

its the 1st one

[grizzled lotus]

I remember there was a location where water and coal were pretty near to each other

near the startig area

[dim spoke]

hmm

[grizzled lotus]

you have to walk a bit but it was a lake with a waterfall and nearby coal nodes

[dim spoke]

this is a huge waterfall

but nearest coal is 900m

[whole drum]

Yeah, this would depend on you. There are several approaches that all work. Some of it has to do with preference, convenience, aesthetic desire, etc.

[whole drum]

In the crater lakes area, on the border to Rocky Desert, there are a bunch of rich coal nodes with lots of water around.

[astral parcel]

is there any way to remove the max height limit for the personal elevator 🐸

[grim estuary]

That was an easy exam

Are tractors able to pick up from multiple stations? Or just one per tractor

[grizzled lotus]

I believe you can do that, but if it's different items it might not pick up many if it gets full on the first stop

[grim estuary]

Epic

[oak nymph]

I'm making 36 rubber and 36 plastic/ min will it be enough?

[brazen cove]

so what is the difference between mk1 and mk2 electric poles?

[unborn moss]

4 vs 7

[leaden turret]

more connections

[brazen cove]

oh alright got it

[leaden turret]

mods

[whole drum]

And Mk3 poles have 10

[brazen cove]

just wanted to ask that right now lol-

[jaunty mist]

does anyone know why my MAM wont scan new hard drives and wont allow me to rescan the 3 stored harddrive rewards i still havent chosen? and no I havent scanned all possible rewards, I am only Tier 2 and I havent left the Grassy fields yet

[green fiber]

you can try reloading the save, but theres only so many recipes you can get in tier 2

you gain more as you unlock milestones

[jaunty mist]

oh i see... so the rewards are Tier locked

[green fiber]

yea

[grizzled lotus]

depends on what you're building, but I'm certain it won't be later in the game

[jaunty mist]

so i may have found all possible rewards at my current tier level

[green fiber]

wouldnt make sense for you to be able to unlock Super duper rocket part alternates from tier 3000 when you are in Tier 2

[grizzled lotus]

don't try to build everything you need for the entire game, it's too much work. just do what you need now

[oak nymph]

Will it last long tho I'm in early game

[grizzled lotus]

yeah I think it will be p.good if you just unlocked it

what's the rave about automated miners?

[jaunty mist]

yeah true, I didnt think of that, I have just never seen the MAM refuse to research before is all, I thought it was a bug, but what you said makes sense

[hollow onyx]

How the freak do I get 600 out of a pure oil node

[whole drum]

Power shards

[hollow onyx]

I mean like with pipe mechanics

[whole drum]

Probably need Mk2/3 miner too

Oh, derp... oil

Mk2 pipe

[cyan prism]

Purely convenience, I think
Set up new bases without running back to an equipment workshop

[hollow onyx]

Yeah but like mk2 pipes are weird and can only transfer like 580/min

[tall lantern]

they can do 600 if built in a way that supports it

they're just a bit finicky

[hollow onyx]

Yeah that’s what I’m trying to figure out

[whole drum]

What I would do is build a short Mk2 into a junction, then use 2 Mk1 from there

[hollow onyx]

I used some weird thing with valves but I’m getting the same results without them

[tall lantern]

valves generally make things worse if anything, best avoided

[green fiber]

they can do 600, but the problem is once you try to split them back up its that split that causes issues

[hollow onyx]

I have that right now but I’m not using mk1 pipes

[green fiber]

did you put pumps right after the split?

[hollow onyx]

Yeah

[green fiber]

then it sounds good so far at least

[hollow onyx]

I’m trying pump before the split and no valves rn but same problem

[green fiber]

pump should go after the split and the split should be done on even ground - no height differences

[hollow onyx]

I’m getting 98% efficiency and the inventory fills up and idles randomly

[green fiber]

when in doubt, you can make a #1038092680493801533 post with some images of what you built

[hollow onyx]

its the simplest oil setup ever so its super lame this is happening

[green fiber]

mk 2 moment

[brazen cove]

what is the correct way to place fuel gens?

[grizzled lotus]

ok I'm genuinely tired of facing mega stingers now. the spike in my hearbeat is a problem. especially since I'm exploring the red forest

[hollow onyx]

i sent the junction setup i have in screenshots if you wanna take a gander

[eager harbor]

I just unlocked coal but it’s 600 meters away from my factory

😭

[green fiber]

yeah thats more complex than it needs to be realistically.
i assume you already tried a simple normal boring single split from one junction?

[hollow onyx]

thats what im trying right now but with a pump before the split

[hazy void]

how do i get smart splitters?

[green fiber]

the thing with valves is that they cannot output at the rate that you set them to unless the pipe on the input side is 100% full.
and thats kinda annoying sometimes

[fading whale]

Remember it is an actual option to make all of them passive so they do not attack 🙂
No shame in that. I did it and it fits my playstyle waay better.

[green fiber]

research caterium in the MAM

[old gull]

Walk with Powerline building toward it. Later in the game you will get Tubes to travel fast.

[grizzled lotus]

ok. don't tell anyone I'm doing it, though

[hazy void]

which path is it

[fading whale]

I would never.

[green fiber]

"unknown metallic element" or something

[hollow onyx]

yeah but the valves did give me better results than this setup

[hazy void]

no like in the caterium tree, i already have caterium

[green fiber]

i think straight down

[hazy void]

ok thanks

[grizzled lotus]

I found a sort of "void" near the first forest area. there are some platforms that spiral down, but there's nothing at the bottom. feels like there should be a sphere or sloop or hardrive. anything special about it?

[green fiber]

one thing to definitely avoid: dont do double valves (valves after valves)
under some circumstances this 100% kills head lift from pumps and machines and just ruins flow

[silent heron]

The hell is wrong with the fluids in this game, I got water towers and a perfect flow rate of oil that never drops and yet the ratios never make the refinerys fill up properly, even when I pre-fill, ensure I got insane head lift and even pipe liquids down into machines and not up...

Yet even then this damn system ether just doesn't ratio correctly or slowly degrades in production over time because the end machines don't get enough OIL...

I am using a manifold type fluid design, is this causing my issues?

[cyan prism]

Trust me, you'll get used to moving things much longer distances 😛

[green fiber]

you checked the oil extractors and none of them are ever running full of oil?

[fading whale]

Smart splitters are the left most branch on the Caterium tree.

[silent heron]

Running full?

[green fiber]

the oil extractor has an inventory. generally, that thing should not fill up

it should either remain empty or on roughly the same level of oil all the time

if it does fill up then you likely do not have perfect flow and just keep missing the times where it dips.

[silent heron]

I am running pipes like 1km to my factory but I ensured myself I have more than enough head lift, could this be an issue?

[silent heron]

I'll check

[green fiber]

with headlift issues you usually get no flow at all.
If your machines run well but like the last 3 of the manifold dont then thats something else

[silent heron]

Yeah thats my issue

[green fiber]

then thats likely the first junction of the manifold

try to shift the input pipe to be near the middle of the manifold

not at the end of it

[hollow onyx]

does that change alot?

[green fiber]

at the ends, you get nasty flow fluctuations that kill input

and yes, it does change things a lot

[silent heron]

Ohhh, sloshing

[green fiber]

you want your first split to be as even as possible

[silent heron]

OH

[green fiber]

if its VERY uneven, then you get what many call slosh.
More technically, its kinda water hammer

[silent heron]

I have noticed this behavior exactly

[green fiber]

due to the junction (correctly) splitting the fluid 50/50.
but your machine on one side of the junction doesnt need 300/min fluid
it wants like 30/min or 40/min
that extreme difference causes backflow of fluid strong enough to interrupt the input pipe

[hollow onyx]

wait i think i solved it i just replaced all the mk2 with 300m/s with mk1 and i pre-filled the machines

[green fiber]

turning the input pipes of machines to mk 1 also helps

as that also slows down fluid velocity

and brings it closer to what it should actually move

[silent heron]

Wow, yeah im sticking my input into the manifold at the very beginning of 20 refineries

[green fiber]

basically: if what your machine wants and what the junction tries to move differ too much, you get water hammer

solution: do your fluid splitting differently so that the junctions can do that first, most important split basically as a perfect 50/50 (or as perfect thirds)

once you are below 600/min, this is no longer an issue

[silent heron]

Okay yeah my extractors are not filled up and constantly outputting so this water hammer effect must be the issue

[whole drum]

Having the outer ends connected in a loop, then pre-filling the system, can help reduce slosh effect as well.

[green fiber]

if they arent filling up then its a bit odd because water hammer interrupts the input and that causes the producers to usually back up with fluid

same way a miner would stall if it tries to make 600/min but can only move 580/min

i mean you can try and see if it helps anyway

[hollow onyx]

yeah i think for my nuclear plant im just gonna stick with 480 pipes

[green fiber]

with nukes its usually simple as there is no split there

only some merges

a 250% nuke chugs a full mk 2 pipe after all

[silent heron]

The extractors are like 1-2km away

[green fiber]

ok then the pipes may absorb that - but if it has been running for a few hours then something should have been visible

[fast summit]

#screenshots message
@brazen cove
Nah fam get the recycled plastic and recycled rubber. Feed them into each other and tou get 50% more plastic and rubber for "free" at the cost of a little diluted fuel from blenders

[whole drum]

for "free" at the cost of...
😄

[brazen cove]

well uh, i already rescanned the harddrive, since someone already told me to rescan it

[leaden pond]

For some reason when I started using fuel my power has started fluctuating but when I checked all my power plants they're all showing up as green and idk why its still fluctuating

[green fiber]

does it fluctuate after you load the save?

and stabilize after some time?

[leaden pond]

It used too then it would start fluctuating again after more time passed

[green fiber]

how much fuel are you making

[leaden pond]

A little over 330 turbo fuel and I cut it down to 42 generators even though it should run 44

[green fiber]

i assume you put that into a single mk 2 pipe?

[leaden pond]

Yeah I have 2 mk 2 pipes then I have them merge into one pipe into a fluid buffer

Its only like that due to the way I have it set up

[green fiber]

did you put a pump after the buffer?
are there any height differences

[leaden pond]

Yes also at the beginning and end I have fluid buffers of each row of generators I'm using

[green fiber]

some images would help - images of the piping, taken from somewhere above where a lot of stuff is in view

both from the buffers near start and also the general layout of it all

in #screenshots

[dim spoke]

yooo finally got my new coal setup

finally i have consistant power

[leaden pond]

I'm currently waiting for them to upload so it might be a minute

[green fiber]

i already see some yellow lights on the refineries

you should check those - either they are missing something or their output is full

[silent heron]

I'll have to check in a few hours but I belive this fixed it

[leaden pond]

They were full, I didn't even notice that thanks

[hazy void]

do power slugs respawn?

[green fiber]

might need to check your numbers there then - check how much the flow rate should be

[green fiber]

they shouldnt but when the devs update the game sometimes they do

[hazy void]

oh

[silent heron]

No but they can fly :D

[sick falcon]

society if fluid extractors could be nudged and placed in blueprints

[hazy void]

so like i technically have a limited amount of over clocking possible?

[silent heron]

Initially yes

[green fiber]

later on no

[hazy void]

oh can you like make them without slugs?

[south sinew]

you can make synthetic power shards at the end of the game

and in the meantime you can sloop slug->shard conversion as well

[dense violet]

yes - but treat the milestones like a tutorial. Don't worry, you basically can't do anything that will lock you out of content

[hazy void]

oh ok

[dim spoke]

Should I automate every material i can?

[south sinew]

most of them

[dense violet]

I mean it's up to you, but it makes life easier if you want to go up the tiers

[hazy void]

also how do i survive that weird green gas around some rocks and stuff?

[south sinew]

blow up the thing causing the gas with a nobelisk

[dim spoke]

Any items specifically that you wouldnt automate early game?

[dense violet]

no. Automate everything

[spiral crane]

I am designing my first factory, how high should I make the walls? since it will have Smelters, Constructors, and Assemblers, I was thinking 12 maybe 16m high with a 1m foundation for the next floors as needed.

[dense violet]

every factory part is used for other thigns later

[hazy void]

ok

[south sinew]

you can make a few recipes that aren't worth automating like biocoal, medicinal inhaler, etc

[dense violet]

seems reasonable. See how yo ufeel with the space

[dim spoke]

Aight i think ill go around looking for nodes and setup like one part per node

[south sinew]

but the stuff that's actually used in buildings, project parts, etc is all to be automated

[hazy void]

one last question, does nuking the wildlife permanetly get rid of them?

[south sinew]

no

[hazy void]

aw

[dense violet]

you can just turn off wildlife basically. Makes the world feel lifeless though

[hasty stump]

developing near their spawn points gets rid of them

[lapis shadow]

When you inject a machine with enough somersloops to achieve 2x outputs, is it always a 4x power draw multiplier? The wiki says they can increase a machine's power draw by "up to 4x". This wording makes me think it's implying that some machines will receive a lesser draw multiplier, but maybe it's just referring to when you have inject less sloops than a machine can possibly receive, meaning it would then have less than 4x draw, hence "up to 4x"

[dense violet]

I don't think you can have 'less' sloops. You can either insert teh correct amount or not

[hasty stump]

quadruples if fully slooped

you can put fewer than the required number in

[lapis shadow]

Not sure if my wording it just funky but what I meant with less sloops is like when you have like a manufacturer that has a max of 4 sloops. You can elect to only put 2 in and you get 50% increased outputs instead of 100% of course

So less than 4x power draw

[eager harbor]

It is not death a man should fear, but he should fear never beginning to live

[dense violet]

weird, you can

[spare cradle]

Should I try to go to straight fuel power or do I upgrade my coal plant

[hasty stump]

if you have unlocked fuel and have enough spare power to set up your oil/fuel factory then i say go straight to oil, it produces so much more power

[dense violet]

up to you.
I just find 4 coal nodes next to water early on, build 64 coal gens with mk3 belts, and that keeps me going to tier 7

you can find more oil efficient recipes though, I'd definitely wait for those before doing fuel power

[spare cradle]

I think I have 190~ MW of max power cap

[spare cradle]

Grasslands?

[dense violet]

north north west - large lake with 4 coal nodes

every start zone has at least 1 spot like that nearby

[hasty stump]

if you have enough coal capacity to be able to hold out for turbofuel or even better, rocket fuel, then consider doing that, the power generation from those is insane

[spare cradle]

I have that

It hovers at 500MW~ at current consumption

[dense violet]

each new machine you unlock consumes significantly more power than the last - that's why I go 32 coal gens, with mk2 belts, then 64 with mk3

[spare cradle]

And I do have turbo fuel almost unlocked

[dense violet]

eh. turbo is ... fine? diluted is easier. Depends what your goals are

[spare cradle]

I only had mk1/2 16 coal veins for phase 2

[dense violet]

you unlock mk3 belts soon enough

[tranquil zinc]

is the two input/output ports of industrial storage just for show? Cause I was planning on hooking the outputs. Will it mix the items inside for the output belt?

or is there a way not to

[dense violet]

they do not effectively balance belts
they will unload specific stacks first so you won't really get things 'mixed' properly

[tranquil zinc]

thanks

[grim estuary]

How many coal generators are you able to hook up to one water pump?

[dense violet]

don't do machine math.
look at the numbers and plan it out

[grim estuary]

What

[hasty stump]

if you're just using the storage for a single type of item, 2x input ports = you can store twice as many per minute if you belt both, similar for output, might be useful depending on what you're doing

[dense violet]

the vast majority of hte game and production doesn't have 1 to 2 machines or anything like that

look at how much water 1 extractor outputs, look at how much 1 coal generator needs

[grim estuary]

Well the flow rate isn't even steady

[oak nymph]

For 3 pump you can have 8 gen

[dense violet]

it is if you build it right

[oak nymph]

I just got my first fuel gen set up

[grim estuary]

Well then if you build it right, are you able to hook 3 coal generators up to 1 water pump

[hasty stump]

one water pump at 100% can supply 8/3 = 2.6666 coal gens, you can overclock or underclock if you want nice integers

[dense violet]

how much does 1 extractor output , how much does 3 coal gens need? per min?

[oak nymph]

I look the recipe for phase 3 and they are so hard and requires so many different materials how will I be able to do that

[earnest marsh]

quick question will 22k MW be enugh for pre space lift lvl3

[grim estuary]

Idk how much it's outputting, it's not steady

[dense violet]

look at the machine control panel - it'll tell you how much it's supposedto output

it should be in your codex as well

[oak nymph]

12 fuel gen running

[dense violet]

you should be automating most of it already - just connect things up

[dense violet]

look where it says 'target production'

[oak nymph]

Yeah but it's so far away and I don't have circuit board or Heavy modulaire frame nor computer automated yet

[grim estuary]

Oh

[placid comet]

I just discovered a neat trick. The zip line can be used effectively with more than the power towers. I've set up a ceiling power network and I can travel allow them with no interruptions, unlike power poles

[grim estuary]

I thought that section down there was all for overclocking stuff

[dense violet]

now either look at your codes for coal gens or open up the control panel

[grim estuary]

I see

[dense violet]

it's for all production rates including 100%

[grim estuary]

So 2 coal generators need 100 water, and the water pump only produces 120

So I can't do 3

[placid comet]

You can with overclocking

[grim estuary]

Oh

[dense violet]

please don't add more confusion to the situation

[grim estuary]

I read the wrong area

It needs 45

For 1

[dense violet]

ok cool so this is what I'm talking about doing number math instead of machine math

there's very few situations where machine maths work nicely

[grim estuary]

So I can only use 2 generators for one pump

[dense violet]

so it's really good to get used to this as soon as possible

[dense violet]

totally But you could also do this

[dense violet]

!wikisearch CG

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[grizzled lotus]

#screenshots message help me choose

[dense violet]

convenient layouts for beginners and experts alike.
uses 1xmk2 belt of coal, 3 extractors

[dense violet]

are you going to make either of those 2 items in the near future?

[grim estuary]

The water source I found can only fit 1 pump lol

That's why I'm so restricted

[whole drum]

OC it

[hasty stump]

yes and if you do this (after the pipes are full) you can underclock the water extractors to 75% so they aren't producing more than you need - and this is actually more power efficient than the usual 3:8 setup
(because 75% underclocking uses less than 75% power)

[dense violet]

part of the game is planning your factories 🙂 I'd find a spot with more coal nodes and a bigger lake

[grim estuary]

Mayhaps

[grim estuary]

I didn't wanna go too far from home

[grizzled lotus]

definitely the circuit boards. might use the recycled rubber along with recycled plastic (which I already have) for even more plastic

[grim estuary]

I'm terrified of the spiders

[spare cradle]

I do have them

[dense violet]

distant power is good - saves nearby resources for parts

[spare cradle]

I have tier 5 and 6 to get

[dense violet]

oc some coal nodes and make a ton of power 😄

[whole drum]

As a general rule, coal is pretty simple to think about using:

• if there is water nearby, make power
• if no water, make steel

[dense violet]

if you like 🙂 I find the CB recipe a bit niche but if you only want to use oil for CBs it's a great recipe

[spare cradle]

And I think it's time for a uh... Warehouse with maybe 50 industrial storage and a proper sorter system:3

[hasty stump]

if this is that little puddle in the grassy fields, don't put your water extractors in there, i made that mistake on my first playthrough haha

[spare cradle]

Only thing is that I need to automate ai limiters then

[whole drum]

There's a reasonably sized pond west of that puddle

[grizzled lotus]

yeah, I might do that. I actually picked up recycled plastic yesterday which feels like a game changer. do you feel the same goes for recycled rubber?

btw I'm at phase 4 and trying to automate radio units and super computers

[hasty stump]

the big lake north of the grassy fields has coal nodes, that's a perfect spot for a good sized coal power facility

[dense violet]

there's a combo of
heavy oil residue
dilute dfuel
recycled plastic
recycled rubber that gets you tons of oil efficiency 🙂

if you need that much plastic/rubber anyway

it's sa lot of work too

[grizzled lotus]

picked up the cb. I think I could use the convenience now. thanks for the help

I read online I can actually talk to ada with the chat function (which Id idnt know existed). I tried it just now but nothing happened

[grim estuary]

Is there a way for me to turn off the christmas presents, they're literally only in the way

[dense violet]

turn off xmas event

or build like... 6 gift trees

[grim estuary]

How do I turn it off

[hasty stump]

@grim estuary oops guess i can't put just text in #screenshots , my reply got deleted - that puddle is even smaller than the little pond i was thinking of (which can hold maybe 6-7 water extractors, it's a bit south of the starting point for grassy fields).. i suggest not using either of these, but instead go north a bit (and slightly west), over a range of hills and descend into a big valley/crater with a large lake, and coal nodes directly north of the lake

[grizzled lotus]

turn off seasonal events from the options

[fast ruin]

can someone tell me in satisfactory tool how to tell it to use the items i can provide? i'm tryin to tell it that i already have canisters for fuel but it keep trying to craft them in the tree

[dense violet]

link your plan?

[hasty stump]

left menu, "items (input)"

can also specify what recipes you want to use or not use

[fast ruin]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=XTjS7ZAybfm4LT4F6sJV

[spare cradle]

I seriously do need a centralized storage with many truck depos

[dense violet]

here https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=ocnet6t8VTjJNaytRFju

[spare cradle]

What I have now isn't doing it

[fast ruin]

yeah i know but i set empty canister at 1000 which should be enough but it keep trying to craft them

[dense violet]

you don't need to put them in the inputs either

[fast ruin]

thats not what i want

[dense violet]

lets talk in #math-and-meta

[fast ruin]

i want to produce mostly turbo fuel to burn and have some leftover send to package for me to use on my jetpack

[hasty stump]

you don't seem to have any empty canisters configured under input

[versed palm]

Bro as if that wasnt obvious that its a hotbar with mutiple hotbars that i can switch :3 i saw that and figured that imidiatly

[versed palm]

I am not of 3iq i can read the UI and its obvious 🤨🙏

[unborn moss]

It's cause it's trying to deal with the extra plastic that is created with the HOR. If you don't want to use it, you can just sink it and use what you have and it wouldn't change anything.

[spare cradle]

#screenshots messageI feel like right here is a good place to make a donut shaped warehouse of pure storage shenanigans.

[oak nymph]

Should I package fuel for my Jetpack

[versed cosmos]

Liquid biofuel is better than standard fuel

You really don't need jetpack fuel fully automated

Make a bunch of liquid biofuel and connect a container up to a DD

[spare cradle]

Issue with my location

It's next to the red forest

And a quarter of the donut is stink town

Benefit: 3 copper normal nodes

[whole drum]

The point I was making was that if you use the hotkey, you can then cycle through tiers with E. I assume most people can figure out a hotbar, but I've also helped people who didn't know about it.

[oak nymph]

How fast does it burn? Compare to solid biofuel

[whole drum]

It has the same energy, but slower burn, as regular fuel

[versed cosmos]

liquid biofuel has a lot more energy than solid

[grim estuary]

How do I set the tractor to load or unload while recording a path?

[versed cosmos]

!wikisearch jetpack

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=jetpack

[spare cradle]

By passing it

Bc it auto does it per when it is autopilot

[grim estuary]

Oh

That's nice

[spare cradle]

It is

[oak nymph]

Can my Jetpack take my fuel directly in the dimensional depot

[versed cosmos]

no

[whole drum]

No

[versed cosmos]

i wish it would

just pin it in the list

[primal obsidian]

no unfortunatley

[reef basin]

I knoe, but why not answer with "info is available ingame at X place"?

[dense violet]

but they should be, that's the point.
basically using other humans as google which doesn't teach them anything

[whole drum]

I mean, there are lots of tools. In game codex, wiki, SF tools, interactive map, etc. I don't mind that people ask questions here at all, but they should be looking at those other resources too.

[oak nymph]

That's the point of the server

[oak nymph]

Those tools help but someone explaining is better

[whole drum]

That's the point of those other resources. The server is a place to have a community, which can have many purposes.

The problem with just asking people is that the chances they are wrong is a lot higher than those other resources, because those resources get reviewed/corrected.

[proud citrus]

I got coal power finally. Took me so many hours to realize I can connect bio burners and generators together as one power grid. I’m an idiot 😂

[whole drum]

There's a lot of this game where learning by experience is the best way

[proud citrus]

I’m starting to realize that now lol. I’m loving it though.

[whole drum]

There's a cliche saying that we learn more from our failures than our successes, and the research on it agrees: Our brains have a negativity bias, so pain actually is the best teacher.

It's not the only way to learn, though. It's just the one that sticks the hardest.

[proud citrus]

Yeah I’ve watched a lot of videos on stuff and it has helped me but experience really is the best way to learn.

[whole drum]

Personally, I find that mistakes that make me feel dumb afterward are the best kind.

Those "ofc, it's so obvious; I'm an idiot" type things

[grim estuary]

Is biocoal better than biofuel?

[dense violet]

for what purpose? can't automate either of them

[grim estuary]

Oh

Then nvm

It says it can be produced in a constructer though

[dense violet]

yes but you can't automae the resource it needs to make it

[grim estuary]

Well yeah

I'm still using a mix of biofuel with my new coal gens

That's why I want to know which is better

Biocoal or biofuel

For fuel effeciency

[dense violet]

no idea, I wouldn't use either of them if you have coal gens

temporary power is bad power

[grim estuary]

I only have 2 coal gens

[dense violet]

find a lake with 3-4 coal nodes, make more 🙂

[jagged nymph]

why would you ever use batteries for drones instead of like turbofuel

[cedar dew]

I just started, im in the north-west corner and trying to complete phase 2. whats a reasonable units-per-minute to aim for for smart plating, versatile framework, and auto wiring? i dont have a good reference point to work backwards

[dense violet]

you could jsut make temporary factories for them. Hand fill containres.

[true mulch]

They used to be the only fuel drones accepted

[jagged nymph]

i know, but now why would ya

[true mulch]

They're pretty easy to make 🤷

[prime magnet]

Hey, I have a question, I haven't played in some time and block signals are confusing me- I used to be able to have two oncoming trains be able to split in to two rails, but the block signals are being incredibly difficult - not only am I unable to place them where I want to, but they won't let me control which direction the block faces either. not sure what I'm doing wrong. I went and looked at 3 different youtube tutorials and none of them address the specific scenario I want to use, it's a pain

[jagged nymph]

yeah but turbofuel, or normal fuel for that matter is even much easier

[sullen gull]

Technically, Batteries are better fuel for Drones than Turbo fuel anynow

[dense violet]

you need path signals if you want 2 trains to use 1 rail going different directions

[upper gale]

I mean that's not a good comparison really, wiki says battery is 6000mj 37 speed, and turbofuel is 2000mj 30 speed

[prime magnet]

okay, that might be the source of my issues, thanks

[jagged nymph]

oh theyre different speed too?

[dense violet]

honestly make 2 lanes. It's much easier and you can have so many more trains running well

[sullen gull]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Drone

[upper gale]

rocket fuel is better than batteries though for drones

[grim estuary]

Do I need blue slugs for anything other than that first slug research?

[golden nexus]

yes, gra any you see

[grim estuary]

I mean research wise

[golden nexus]

Nope, But you want to make power shards right?

[sullen gull]

!wikisearch slug

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=slug

[grim estuary]

Yeah, that's why I'm making sure I don't need blue slugs for anything else in the research

[terse rain]

yo how do I put a counter on the belt to show how much I'm producing per hour?

[sullen gull]

Need to purchace the conveyor throughput counter in the Awesome Shop

[primal obsidian]

unlock it in the awesome shop then just place it on convery

[oak nymph]

How to hell will I be able to automate heavy modular frame look at that recipe 😭

[dense violet]

just need iron coal and limestone. Easy

[dense violet]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=dSyZUtwrXsSYPjcLI4hO

Those are the base recipes for it - I'd go hunting for more iron efficient options though

like this https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=vOsjnzMVJfQrFu5Q0nBd

[modern sapphire]

do the drop pods always have the hard drives for recipes in them?

i want more good ones, the screw recipe i got from ficsmas is so nice

[dense violet]

recipes are random

[modern sapphire]

but are the hard drives guranteed to have a recipe or no?

ok good to know

[dense violet]

also recipes are all good, they ahve their uses

up to you to you to develop systems around recipes , often using a combo of them

[modern sapphire]

oh yeah i agree, just some are definitely better than others, but yeah i just want a large amount of recipes available to cater to what i may have available

i did a trek early on in the game so my hub is next to a ton of pure nodes and i want to get all the value i can out of that

[dense violet]

nah, there's 'generalist' recipes, often lower tier items like ingots
then 'specialist' recipes

they just do different thigns

[dense violet]

also kinda pointless - for most of the game your nodes are limited by your belt speed. You generally won't get much more from pure nodes than normal nodes when yo uclock them

[oak nymph]

Bro I mean HEAVY modular frame

[dense violet]

those are heavy modular frames

[modern sapphire]

i already have mk 2 belts so i can get the entire output of the node on a belt and then split it to my machines, its still better than having the impure nodes i had at my original hub location, and then when i get better belts i can just upgrade my factories

[oak nymph]

No?

My bad

I gotta switch through tabs

Sorry my error

[oak nymph]

Should I hunt for alternated recipe

[dense violet]

if you want to follow the second plan? yeah

but honestly one of the CORE parts of the game is how things are not linear.

there is no single meta for any project you might want to do depending on how much, and where and how you like to move things

I would go on a massive saffari and collect as many as you can

[oak nymph]

I mean reloading save

I already have like 10 hard drive

[upper gale]

You could yeah. And nothing wrong with doing that. Just keep in mind not everyone is good at getting their information through wikis or through the game. Even if directed there. Sometimes they need someone to explain something to them, or they may have follow-up questions. They might prefer a person telling them, or it's just how they like to get their help. If they're asking way too much then that's different but the occasional questions are fine for anyone in chat to give them the answer, instead of directing them elsewhere to a way they might not be able to find the answer by themselves
(Also for @dense violet since you responded earlier too)

[dense violet]

eh if you want, but you want all the recipes anyway

[dense violet]

yup but gotta learn. Access information that is available

[upper gale]

Would be nice if they did

[faint ravine]

yo, im a bit new to the game and trying to manage everything feels a bit overwhelming, can someone give me some tips?

[upper gale]

I like to automate one resource at a time, checking from the crafting bench

Don't have to make it too large of a factory if you're early on

Even just a single constructor making the item can be alright and then you can scale up from there

[oak nymph]

It doesn't need to be effective at first

[upper gale]

Yeah or like overly efficient

[oak nymph]

I realized most of my early item factory are really inefficient but I got a stock pile of item so I don't care

[upper gale]

Real, even slow factories can do a lot given some time

Most of my early stuff I don't make them produce a lot

[hybrid nymph]

I think I might start streaming satisfactory

I do have a YouTube channel. I make computer and political science videos and I was thinking of branching out and making gaming videos

What do you guys think?

[onyx echo]

I’ve finally fully automated reinforced iron plates

Now it’s time for rotors

[prime magnet]

from what I know about youtube, if you have an established category that youtube can detect, it kinda penalizes videos outside of that category

It might be easier/better just to make a new channel if you want to make gaming content

[hybrid nymph]

So I should make a new channel?

I could do that

I could have Thor Hanson (Yes that's my real name) and Thor Hanson Gaming

[onyx echo]

Yes

[hybrid nymph]

I currently have 112 subscribers

I don't know? Do people care about satisfactory on YouTube?

[onyx echo]

I just realized there’s no vcs in this server

[hybrid nymph]

Oh dear 🙄😨

There isn't

[coral marsh]

If yall where to add an alt recipe for modular engines to the game that produced 3 per minute and 4 per recipe, what items would you make the recipe require.

[hybrid nymph]

I would say it would be "reinforced engine"

[prime magnet]

souls of the innocent

[coral marsh]

Ooo do tell

The recipe must still use a manufacturer though btw

[hybrid nymph]

It would be made in the manufacturer of course with: motors, reinforced iron plates, and rotors

[coral marsh]

Fun idea

Personally, I would do an electric modular engine
Turbo motors, electromagnetic control rods, steel beams and fused modular frames.

[hybrid nymph]

And instead it would produce 4 per minute, So with a summer sloop you can make 20 per minute on a fully overclocked machine

That would work too

[coral marsh]

Mine would be more expensive, but I would also make it produce 5 per recipe and 6 per minute

[hybrid nymph]

Both of those could work

[coral marsh]

Yee

[hybrid nymph]

I could be down for either one

[coral marsh]

20 per minute would be dope lol

[hybrid nymph]

Yes it would be, think of how many awesome sink points you could get

I currently have 175 coupons. Is that a lot?

[coral marsh]

Ballistic warp drives have the highest sink value

Also yes, it is

Ive got about 125 atm

[hybrid nymph]

I know I'm probably going to have to install a mod to be able to buy the golden nut statue

I'll put mods on my world after I finish phase 4

[coral marsh]

Nah once you unlock ballistic warp drives, just build enough of a factory to produce 20-50 of them per minute. They have almost 250 thousand sink points per unit

[hybrid nymph]

I've only got three more achievements left and then I have 100% the game

That could work

[coral marsh]

I plan to build enough of a production line to produce 10-20 ballistic warp drives per minute just to sink them all

That'll be almost 5 million points per minute

[oak nymph]

Yes I do mostly on kinda tutorials

Or presenting the game

[hybrid nymph]

I mean I have a computer set up to be able to do streaming

[oak nymph]

What do somersloop boosting do?

[hybrid nymph]

I have a gaming PC that's fully overclocked, and I have the razer siren microphone 🎤
With 2 27 inch monitors each running at 1440p 120FPS

[coral marsh]

Only thing I need is a second monitor to start streaming

[hybrid nymph]

SummerSloop boosting allows you to stick the summer slopes inside of machines such as the refinery to double the output of the machine without requiring more input, at the cost of increasing the power consumption by about 10 times the amount

[oak nymph]

It's good as hell

[hybrid nymph]

If you fully overclock a manufacturer with sonersloops It will increase the power consumption to nearly 1 gigawatt, but it Will dramatically increase the output

You can produce 12 computers per minute with sloops

Okay, I'm going to go to the gym. I'll see you guys in about an hour

[spare cradle]

Wet concrete under way :D, and soon encased indust

[oak nymph]

It takes 1 somersloop so if I got 10 I could do ten machine like that?

[hybrid nymph]

No each machine takes a different amount of sloops

Constructors take one, refineries and assemblers take two, and manufacturers take four

So you would either be able to do 10 constructors, five assemblers/refineries, or two manufacturers

My suggestion for finding summer sloops the easiest is checking the wiki to see where they are on the map, and then placing down a radar tower to tell you how many summer slopes are in the area

[oak nymph]

Thanks

[hybrid nymph]

Welcome, what tier are you on?

[stray summit]

yo
i dont have a vr
but what if you played in vr and used one of
LETS GAME IT OUT'S
hypercannons?

[hybrid nymph]

Let's game it out is a big contributor of the game, he's a community member

[coral marsh]

Theres mods that make the game support vr

[stray summit]

fuck yeah

now
-# if i had one
i can give myself nausea XIIV

[hybrid nymph]

I have to admit that would be pretty cool to be able to explore the world in VR

[calm mango]

Motion sickness

[stray summit]

dont worry ive got a large fluid bag in my hand
-# just in case

[leaden turret]

🥽

[wispy osprey]

Even in 3rd person without being in VR condensed hypertube cannons make me a lil queasy

[coral marsh]

Totally fair

[wispy osprey]

I don't like how inconsistent they are to place as a blueprint, so it's not my favorite method of traveling

That goes to sprint crouch jumping

[coral marsh]

B-hopping

[hybrid nymph]

I love how nice you guys are to me. In so many servers I have been laughed at and called stupid just because I have autism. So thank you guys for your kindness, I can't thank you enough

You guys respect me and value me and my contributions. I love This server

[oak nymph]

I completed tier 5 and most of tier 6

[oak nymph]

I have vr the visual quality isn't great I think it would feel weird idk

[oak nymph]

I agree

[wispy osprey]

I can't play VR games because of my vision

I tried psVR2 but it gave me a headache after awhile

[leaden turret]

I can't play vr games because of my wallet

well, that's not true.

I do have google cardboard.

[fluid crow]

is there any sandbox settings or mods to make machinery dangerous?

[leaden turret]

dangerous how?

[coral marsh]

Put uranium ore around machines, should make it dangerous enough

[fluid crow]

like you get hit with a robot arm or go into a machine it hurts or kills you

[leaden turret]

game is meant to be chill, so unless someone made a mod for that, no

[fluid crow]

ty

could help people be more safety conscious irl

[leaden turret]

game has railings, if you wanna be safety conscious, be safety conscious

[fluid crow]

oh those were one of the fist things I got!

[lapis shadow]

Are generators of any kind like the only things that have a linear consumption rate when under/overclocking?

[leaden turret]

-# insert joke about miner > smelter > constructor being a chain with a linear consumption rate

[lapis shadow]

Actually that's how everything works nvm

[whole drum]

The main difference between clocking power generation compared to machines that require power to produce other things is that the only benefit for gens is fewer buildings used. For production buildings, you can choose to spend either less or more power by using fewer/more buildings.

[lapis shadow]

Yes this was the actual point I was trying to draw up but words are hard

[fluid crow]

gotta make sure everyone sees this ladder https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1171186322979958834/1457234427116650516/image.png?ex=695b42d1&is=6959f151&hm=301edbfa120fa54c0b5e45280ed7d2279f939910985fdc8aed41719a3710166f&

[stoic nebula]

hey guys im having issues in game can someone help?

[fluid crow]

I would but I'm a noob so I'm struggling to help myself 😬

[stoic nebula]

well ada isnt talkin like shes suppost to

[dense violet]

she somestimes doesn't? what are you expecting her to be saying and when?

[pearl ginkgo]

anyone decent with pipes?
Got a water tower goes up higher than what needs to be then goes back down to push two pipes up th eneeded level. worked for a bit then it empties.

[dense violet]

post an overhead image of your whole set up in #math-and-meta

[stoic nebula]

the problem is the text shows on screen and it goes doom doom! but shes not actully talking

[dense violet]

maybe you accidentally muted one of the sound settings?

[stoic nebula]

i looked there already

its been doing this for a while

[fluid crow]

I'm not sure if you should worry or celebrate

[pearl ginkgo]

Done

[stoic nebula]

worry lol ada makes me laugh

[hasty stump]

It is statistically likely that you appreciate the continued existence of kittens and/or puppies.

[fluid crow]

loosing your memory waking up on an alien planet with a friendly robot manager is always a little sus

[stray summit]

subnautica

[peak wasp]

[hybrid nymph]

That's good I'm on tier 7. I just unlocked Mark 5 conveyor belts

[stoic nebula]

"choo choo mother******!!!" -ada

[peak wasp]

what be happening this day brethren

[hybrid nymph]

I'll do you one better, I heard Ada quote an Ozzy Osbourne song

[leaden turret]

choo choo manufacture

[stoic nebula]

what???

[hybrid nymph]

When I collected a Mercer sphere Ada said "maybe I'll see you on the other side"

[stoic nebula]

im tryna figure out why my ada aint working

[hasty stump]

hopefully crazy train?

[stoic nebula]

glados clap machine

[hybrid nymph]

No not crazy train The song is literally called "See You on The other side"

[peak wasp]

XD

[stoic nebula]

me when ada doesnt talk:

me when im putting of building a nucler power plant:

grrrr

[hybrid nymph]

Ada is great

Did they actually get a voice actor for her or did they use an AI voice?

[leaden turret]

en-US-WaveNet-C

[stoic nebula]

voice acter then put it through softwere like glados

[leaden turret]

this is a lie

[stoic nebula]

is it?

[leaden turret]

yes.

[stoic nebula]

im going off what my friend said

[leaden turret]

your friend lied.

[stoic nebula]

srry

[hasty stump]

like the cake

[stoic nebula]

not trying to spread misinfo

[stoic nebula]

portal fan found???

[leaden turret]

cake was in a warehouse, voice actor was not, because voice actor does not exist

[stoic nebula]

LOCK THE ACTOR IN A WEARHOUSE!!!!!!

[leaden turret]

can't lock the actor in a warehouse if the actor does not exist.

also one could argue the voice no longer exists because google withdrew it as a free option, gotta pay to make fresh lines for giggles now

[whole drum]

Water towers are not really necessary. Just use enough pumps to make sure you have sufficient headlift. A lot of people top their towers with buffers, which can create a slew of other issues as well if not managed properly.

[pearl ginkgo]

ive done it before, worked great no issues. just needed a bit mor epower

[whole drum]

There's a wide difference between "can" and "should" in this game, especially if something that worked before doesn't now and you don't understand that difference.

That all said, I always recommend people read the first half of this
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/File:Pipeline_Manual.pdf

[leaden turret]

you put fuel in a can, not a should

[whole drum]

If you fully understand buffers and choose to use them anyway, fair enough--you probably won't have issues.

[leaden turret]

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[fierce granite]

from the picture you posted, you put a pump in a spot that negates the whole purpose of the tower.

[leaden turret]

ADA answering your question herself: #off-topic-media message

[dense violet]

correct

but there are several issues with the whole thing

[whole drum]

Yeah, I was just looking at it. It's wildly overcomplicated and full of unnecessary "features." Cobalt has already noted the important things, so no point in repeating them.

The short version is this: For pipe systems, Keep It Super Simple (KISS)

[leaden turret]

🌈 package all the things 🌈

[whole drum]

Yeah, I'm not gonna package water that's just going right into coal gens, lol

[leaden turret]

saves on pumps, lets you smart split water down your coal manifolds

[sullen gull]

So unneeded imo

[whole drum]

"Saves on pumps" while requiring several packagers to unpackage... lol

[leaden turret]

there's a point at which the math works out cheaper to package/unpackage vs. pump

[dense violet]

still reduces pumps. Tecnically correct

[sullen gull]

IIf one has to package, tis a skill issue 🤷‍♂️

[whole drum]

I think it can make sense if you want to transport liquids across long distance via belt/train as it saves on pipes and pumps and would theoretically only need one belt (unless doing trains).

[pearl ginkgo]

wouldve used 10 pumps instead just used five

[leaden turret]

oh no, how terrible, I don't have the skill to checks notes have to fight against the lack of visual/auditory feedback given when the fluid simulation behaves in a counter-intuitive fashion

[pearl ginkgo]

actually deleted one so 8

[leaden turret]

see also "oh no, how terrible, I don't have the skill to checks notes make a wish when I want fluid to go somewhere I want"

[sullen gull]

The only time it EVER behaves in a "counter-intuitive" fashion is when people keep trying to do unintuive things. And, this constant attempt at trying to run pipe in a single straight manifold..... imo...

[spare cradle]

I planned on making double my coal gens, but I rather made (as I put it) wet Konkret

[whole drum]

I wouldn't go that far. Plenty about it isn't actually intuitive if you approach it with no prior knowledge.

[pearl ginkgo]

Got it working now

[sullen gull]

And then, instead of teaching someone how to properly plumb things, an answer is usually "Juyst package it""

[spare cradle]

I got plenty of production, but not the thoughts for projects

[sullen gull]

I will agree that the game does not do the best with "guidance" on a lot of things. So people come here, or reddit. And I see the same things over and over again.

[leaden turret]

much like I would rather the game have an alterable world grid, I would much rather that plumbing has more information on the fluid sim available than flow rate & capacity, but it doesn't, so I don't waste my time using a feature that causes me frustration.

[pearl ginkgo]

saw packaging being mentioned. never used that method yet. but i wonder. once unpackaged the liquid... do pple sink the empty conatiners or do pple reuse them??

[sullen gull]

What more would one really need? What is it that you thing is "missing" that would supposedly make fluids "better"? As I've said before, if the rehetoric changed and people started realizing that fluids should always be in loops and distrubuted evenly, I feel there would be a LOT less issues and then maybe people wouldn't have such a hard time.

[sullen gull]

Typically they are reused in a loop

[cinder jay]

is 480 noblisk a minute overkill?

[leaden turret]

same thing real-world pipes have when fluid behaves weird.

visual/audible water hammer

[whole drum]

More than like 5/m is overkill, lol

[cinder jay]

welll good

[pearl ginkgo]

Just wonderd that. b.c the number would never change

[pearl ginkgo]

no need more

burn it all

[stone python]

no, pump them numbers up. If you arent producting 1000+/min are you really trying to level the entire planet and extract all that it is worth?

[sullen gull]

Ok, so you want to bring "real world" into it, This is the exact reason that any system, that has multiple sources requiring "evenly distrobuted pressure" is setup in a loop and not on a "dead headed" system.

[hollow sluice]

hi! currently at the start of phase 4,( ik i shouldve asked this way earlier)

How do u guys deal with train storage? More particularly when loading from a factory and unloading to another. I run into this issue where my train takes too much modular frames, and so little beams, both of which are unloaded to my heavy frame factory.

this idles my heavy frame factory since theres no beams left, and all the storage units are filled to the brim with modular frames lol

[cinder jay]

oh my bad broski

[leaden turret]

pipe go ding when there's stuff.

not that exasperating.

[spare cradle]

Concrete

[stone python]

konkreat

[spare cradle]

Better building material as I now have wet concrete

[sullen gull]

But, again, what do I know right? Not like I deal with fluid flows and delivery systems on the daily 🤷‍♂️

[pearl ginkgo]

regular concrete is good to work with

[leaden turret]

your response basically boils down to "git gud" and is therefore unhelpful.

[stone python]

you can use smart splitters to overflow any extra onto the train

that way your factory needing part x doesnt starve

[stone python]

you can recycle them, it is fun to work out the system

[pearl ginkgo]

mayb upscaling beam to produce more?

[whole drum]

Having multiple cars, staged storage, and using smart splitters can make this a lot simpler

[hollow sluice]

beam production isnt really an issue, i have more than enough. Its just that the train takes more frames than beams lol

[hollow sluice]

i did think of dedicating a freight to each part, but i thought that wouldnt be very efficient. Or am i mistaken and this is the only way? lol

[pearl ginkgo]

i think frams are stacks of 50 beam are stacks of 100. should be the opposite bc the train will alway try ti go a full load.

you can use smart splitter and sink extra

[sullen gull]

No mate, As I have said many many many times. It's a change of rhetoric that I am hoping for. There are too many "issues" that are really "non-issues" because they keep getting passed around from very early access days. Yes, I am aware of the supposed junction "oddities" and yes I am aware of the "headlift" oddity. But this whole "sloshing" thing is 100% due to players constantly trying to run things in a straigh manifold "beause they THINK it should work like that". So, imo, everytime someone mentions "sloshing" I know it's because the pipes are not full and 99 times out of 100 they are trying to run a straight manifold. And then, at the end of the day, there are many, such as your self, that just says "Just package it". Which doesn't solve any issues or help people gain a better understanding.

[leaden turret]

not gonna read the wall of text

[whole drum]

He has a point tho

[sullen gull]

Ooof, a whole 6 sentences ... smh

[spare cradle]

Iron alloy Ingot?

[leaden turret]

my point is I don't use features of the game I don't like, so any criticism of how I play is.... irrelevant

[hollow sluice]

so i should basically just allot a specific freight car to each part, right? Instead of funneling 3 parts of the heavy frame into one freight as im doing now

[pearl ginkgo]

thats what i do. one part per car of train

[sullen gull]

Not really criticizing how you play. More on how you tell others they should play. 🤷‍♂️ Anywho, no worries, I am happy to digress as it's evident that there is no "productiveness" to the conversation.

[whole drum]

It depends on your volume. If it all fits in one car, just use a smart splitter on the receiving end to sort them

[leaden turret]

I don't tell others how they should play.

[fluid crow]

when the water extractor says it has a max flow rate of 600m cubed a minute but mine only produces 120 a min. what do I need to do to get 600?

[wispy osprey]

You can also set the train to leave only when cars are full

[pearl ginkgo]

more pumps

[whole drum]

Extractors don't go to 600

[leaden turret]

at no point did I say "you should package all the things and not waste your time learning the quirks of the fluid sim to avoid plumbing headaches"

[wispy osprey]

5~ do

[sullen gull]

More extractors. two if overclocked to 250

[wispy osprey]

I use 5 and underclock, it doesn't take up that much more space

[leaden turret]

-# I have no problem being thought of as an asshole, I just prefer people be correct about why they think I'm an asshole 😛

[fluid crow]

can you connect them in series somehow? I only see one connection

[wispy osprey]

Water packing produces so much anyway

[stone python]

junctions 🙂

[whole drum]

If you aren't getting full flow rate on Mk2 pipes, you just aren't inputting enough liquid--or you have something disturbing it (valves/buffers being common culprits).

[sullen gull]

The thing is, they typically won't ever hit "max flow" due to machine cycle rates. The "could" potentially if they are all turned on at the same time via a switch or something, But in my experience, that hasn't been the case.

[whole drum]

Loops help with this too

[fluid crow]

I don't get how something can have have a higher max flow rate than it can produce

[sullen gull]

They have a "potential" of that max flow and now greater. And less flow is fine, so long as none of the machines are "starving"

[sullen gull]

The pipe has the max rate, not the source.

[fluid crow]

the pipes is 300

[sullen gull]

Right, for a mk1

[whole drum]

Mk1 is 300
Mk2 is 600

Extractors output 120 by default, and can overclock to 300

[spare cradle]

With 3 shards

[fluid crow]

so it saying it's max flow rate is 600 is just wrong? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1171186322979958834/1457252625249472713/image.png?ex=695b53c4&is=695a0244&hm=f3164502ef94b515686c4b57e63d2bc82ee007226c698360be130f5a099b08b1&

it's not achievable?

[stone python]

not out of a single machine, no.

UNLESS

the machine sits there idle and has a lot of built up water

then it can push out 600 flow rate

[fluid crow]

it says it on a single machine 😵‍💫

[whole drum]

I'm not sure that's accurate--but also not sure it isn't

[sullen gull]

Lol, was just about to test it right now 😛

[stone python]

it is, as long as you are connected to a mk2 pipe, the flow rate can cap out at 600 to empty its internal storage if it backed up

thats the only reason it is there. During normal working production at 100% efficiency (and overclocked), it will cap out at 300 @fluid crow

[whole drum]

Wiki says nothing about this. Should probably be looked at.

[sullen gull]

I never even paid that close attention. And if it does work like that, I am going to stop saying that no more than a mk1 is needed coming from an extractor 😛

[stone python]

it is the same with refineries

[fluid crow]

I sometimes engineer piping irl and I don't get it lol

[stone python]

say you are only producing 300/min, but it backs up. it can empty out at 600 when the backup stops (and connected to a mk2 pipe)

[sullen gull]

@dense pebble Automated miner is a good one to have...

[stone python]

there is a difference between what it can produce, and what can flow out of it. They arent intrinsically intertwined.

[spare cradle]

Mmm yummy, 78 alien DNA caps

[stone python]

#screenshots message

[sullen gull]

@whole drum Sure enough: #screenshots message

[hasty stump]

nice power shard collection you got there
-oops sorry, that was meant for @sullen gull

[sullen gull]

Thanks! TIL. I always just concentrated on everything after that 😛

[sullen gull]

Lol, mean mine? 😛 Tis a creative save 🙂

[hasty stump]

yep sorry, didn't notice the video and the screenshot were posted by two different ppl 😂

[spare cradle]

Copper or chrome finish?

[stone python]

shiiiiiit, i have more than that in my shard storage container. just sloop em all and you can makes a lot

[pearl ginkgo]

waiting for a factory to empty out is so painfully slow lol

[stone python]

#teamcopper

[spare cradle]

... Can concrete walls have a finish?

[sullen gull]

Are you aware you can pull things directly from the machine? Or are you just trying to get it to finish processing everything?

[spare cradle]

Darn.

[sullen gull]

Standard walls and beams can iirc

[spare cradle]

I'll probably have some plain wall details then

Since conveyers take iron plates themselves

[sullen gull]

And, if you make walls that are say a Half Foundation wide, you can add depth by layering things.

[pearl ginkgo]

Having a train empty it and sink everything. want to redo a section. i think emptying it manually would be worse.. set a train to sink it and work on something else..

[spare cradle]

... How

[sullen gull]

#design-and-architecture message

[sullen gull]

Ahhh ok, gotcha

[pearl ginkgo]

52 constructors producing concrete with 2 storages right after plus stroages before the train stations... too much for manual

[lapis dome]

wait the mycelia have sentience and ada got permission to harverst their remains?!

[sullen gull]

Need to get that Wet Concrete going 😏

[spare cradle]

Oooh the pillars

[pearl ginkgo]

i think concrete factory is decent enough lol

[spare cradle]

Ye

[spare cradle]

No. You don't understand

wet konkret

[pearl ginkgo]

also waiting for my steel ignot factory to emtpy so i can change the recepe

[spare cradle]

I had like 4000 concrete in 10 minutes

[sullen gull]

How much limestone using total?

[spare cradle]

Build more factory

[pearl ginkgo]

2 pure nodes

[sullen gull]

Not overclocked I assume?

[spare cradle]

Probably not

[pearl ginkgo]

2 level factory each level 26 constructors

[spare cradle]

Or even mk2

The most I got is 6 per level

Goodness.

[jagged nymph]

Ive been working on a turbo fuel power plant for the past 7 hours😭

[spare cradle]

-# as I am off to make a 50 industrial smart sorting storage :3

[pearl ginkgo]

it is th input for mk6 belts currently mk4. so it is a lil slow starting up but once its full i dont have to worry sbout it

[spare cradle]

I've been chugging on my 1.2gig coal plant for a while

[versed fjord]

Does anyone know how to open the map? I press M but it didn’t open the map

[jagged nymph]

You have to unlock it in the hub

[proud zodiac]

I may have a problem. Satisfactory just told me I've been playing 16 hours. It may be time for bed.

[sullen gull]

Ahhhhh ok ... lol ,makes sense. I was thinking "56 constructors for 240/min? 🤣

OK, so I will assume the goal is 2400 limestone

[pearl ginkgo]

steel ingot factory uses 2 trains 4 cars each. each car of material goes to one level so i have 4 output trains for steel ingot to go to other factories

[sullen gull]

Just as an fyi: #screenshots message

[spare cradle]

Should I do my massive warehouse project or start oil stuff

[silent heron]

Warehouse project?

Like storage?

[spare cradle]

Sorted storage ya. Like centralized storage I can build on

And have all my resources go instead of staying at their factory

[silent heron]

Why?

We have the dimensional depot

[fluid crow]

so far my take so far is aesthetics and connivance is everything

[sullen gull]

@pearl ginkgo Looks good. Personally I like just overclocking everything and doing all that with only 8 refineries 😛

[pearl ginkgo]

theres a second level too lol

[spare cradle]

... I don't have that yet

[pearl ginkgo]

debating if i should turn around and show my steel factory lmao

[spare cradle]

I'm on phase 3

[silent heron]

You can get it basically at the start of the game with a bit of exploring

[pearl ginkgo]

i highly recommend it. DO NOT ignore the NAM

[spare cradle]

I havent

[pearl ginkgo]

or is it MAM?

[spare cradle]

I'm as far as I could be on things

And I'm guessing that is from quartz, and I have yet to make a factory of it bc... Laziness

I found a place of quartz... Just tell me if it's in the quartz tree

[near siren]

lol trying to find oil on the starter map lol any hints?

like what im supposed to look for

[pearl ginkgo]

oil spot

[spare cradle]

A pond of ooze

[sullen gull]

There is only one map 😛

Where are you at currently? Grass Feilds?

[silent heron]

One map to rule them all

[sullen gull]

Head to 1783, 2601

[spare cradle]

Or uhh... -2318, 599

Also has water <3

[sullen gull]

So does Blue crater 😉

[spare cradle]

I do need to ping oil it seems

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message 😏

[spare cradle]

circle

[pearl ginkgo]

#screenshots message

[sullen gull]

Eh, I "cheat" these days 🤣

[sullen gull]

Like the spirals. I hear they can kill throughput (assuming those are rails), But haven't ever tried myself.

[pearl ginkgo]

i like them better than ramps. i have a hard time finding flat ground so i make them floating. still my first play through. so itll get better over time..... i hope..

what do yo umean through put?

[sullen gull]

The time it takes a train to go up and down the spiral is essentially making a longer rail the train has to travel between stations. But, again, I am just parroting what I have seen mentioned here. I have not gone deep into trains yet.

[near siren]

id love to see raiders in the game

[pearl ginkgo]

hmm maybe.. depending on how high the spirals go. they do go throught the spirals around 120 i think. ramps i think they go slower.

[sullen gull]

Not sure. But, they look good either way 🙂

[pearl ginkgo]

thanks. they used to take forever to build. until i make blupritns for them

i swear blueprints ruined other games for me like minecraft..

[dense pebble]

how do i detonate a nuke nobelisk i got it in the christmas callendar and i wanna blow something up also i do aready have a nobelisk detonator i just cant get it to load

[sullen gull]

I'd go bonkers if I didn't have blueprints now that I have learned how to really utilize them better.

[sullen gull]

Hold R (or what ever your reload is)

[pearl ginkgo]

factories used to take me forever. now i can build 5 at once

[calm mango]

I can't

I just figured out the numbers

[pearl ginkgo]

i have asection that once storage is full it takes the over flow and redirectts it to another section. used to take forever

[calm mango]

Long storage container snake:

[sullen gull]

Great, now I have badger badger badger stuck in my head 🤦‍♂️

[stone python]

MUSHROOM MUSHROOM

[pearl ginkgo]

#screenshots message

[pearl ginkgo]

so say if i have to levels of 30 constructors and 1 level fills up. itll still make the material and put it below so itll help fill the other level.

like my concrete factory once one level fills up it stops leaving the 2nd level to continue working. im fixing it so the one level will help the other level so my output is always at max

[hybrid nymph]

hello people, my fellow Minecrafters and Ficsit pioneers, how are we all doing tonight?

what tier are we all on?

[whole drum]

Oh, great. More unnecessary jank with pipe systems that only serves to create problems.

[wispy osprey]

I'm having trouble reaching a buried Mercer sphere and feel like it's glitched #screenshots

[sullen gull]

Umm, not sure how it would cause problems 🤷‍♂️

[whole drum]

First off, why would an extractor ever need to be able to output more than it's production rate?

Secondly, this can create false positives for people setting up pipe systems, thinking they are achieving better flow rate than they are, so they're like "Cool, it's working," and move on--only for the jank to eventually "settle" and be wrong, stifling their system.

[sullen gull]

As stated, is has a 200m^3 buffer, so, if for some reason it were to fill, it allows for maxpossible flow rate to get the product out 🤷‍♂️

After that, it puts out 300m^3 on average

[whole drum]

You can do that with 300 max and just not clock it to 300

[pearl ginkgo]

its ina cave

[wispy osprey]

I don't see an entrance

[whole drum]

Yeah, CSS messed up big with that one. It's way more harm than good.

[pearl ginkgo]

look in a bigger area. its around

[sullen gull]

Well, when you're moving a tone of water, I'd imagine you'd want to get it to the consumers as quick as possible.

[whole drum]

But not be mislead about your actual production and flow rate

[hybrid nymph]

it's around look in a bigger area

[wispy osprey]

It can't be that large, I looked around the riverbed and saw no cave

[pearl ginkgo]

its around. it in the desert right

look for rocks

[whole drum]

This is made worse by the fact that usually you do want to prime your system before turning it on, and if your numbers aren't exact, this will likely cause issues

[wispy osprey]

North-east desert, not the west one

[sullen gull]

Again, it wouldn't.

[sullen gull]

Check screenshots

[whole drum]

It totally can

I just outlined it

[wispy osprey]

You've got to be kidding me

That's the tiniest sliver I would've never seen that

[whole drum]

No wonder Mk1 always work so much better for people

[sullen gull]

There is one that requires one to slide into in the Dune Desert 🙂

[sullen gull]

Show me a factory where that is going to affect anything, so long as it's plumbed correctly.

[fluid crow]

yea fr, tbh they shouldn't put max flow rate on the extractor

[wispy osprey]

The rocks aren't blowing up??????

Why is this game stupid

[whole drum]

No, that's my whole point--new players don't know how to plumb correctly and this is an extra layer that doesn't need to exist.

[whole drum]

No, it just doesn't need to exceed its max production

[wispy osprey]

Reloading my save fixed it

[sullen gull]

You are greatly mis understanding the purpose. Let's say you have two extractors at 250%, junctioned into one mk2 pipe.... So, essentially, you are only going to get 600 max right?

[fluid crow]

since from what I understand the best pipe doesn't even have that high of a flow rate and it only has one connection

[sullen gull]

Just because 600 flow is coming out of the extractor if it's buffer is full, is not going to make that mk2 now push 1200 ...

[whole drum]

That's not what I'm claiming

[sullen gull]

All it will do is just cause the extractor to not run right away.

[fluid crow]

how is 600 ever going to come out of an extractor if the best pipe only carries 300

[sullen gull]

Yeah, sometimes I have had to walk around a rock and put it on a different area. It's like it's trying to affect one that would be there.

[sullen gull]

We explained it ealier, and I even posted a vid. It's only able to do so when the internal buffer is full.

[whole drum]

It creates a delayed effect in the system if someone uses a Mk2 pipe (when they probably shouldn't) and maybe doesn't have their math precisely correct--they can think the system works, because at first it will look like it, and then later after they have moved onto something else, the reserve empties and the system balances to its actual flow rate, which could be under the needs of that build.

Said player is then confused, frustrated, and comes here wondering wtf

[dense violet]

mk2 pipes move 600pm?

[sullen gull]

And, the extractor also tells you it's only "producing" a max of 300 if overclocked, so, a new player should understand that they are only going to get 300 regardless and plumb accordingly.

[fluid crow]

that makes sense so 600 is probably just future proofing it for when we get a better pipe

[whole drum]

But the reserve undermines this since the actual max exceeds the max production when it doesn't need to be allowed to

[sullen gull]

No, it's just a way to allow the internal buffer to clear at max rate

[dense violet]

there's basically zero chance of mk3 pipes

[sullen gull]

Again, it doesn't "excceed" anything.