satisfactory

[sick falcon]

day 20 is ||a single piece of coal||

[silk ocean]

lol rip

Worst advent calendar ever

[zealous urchin]

baaka

[silk ocean]

Can you savescum it XD

Congrats, you can run a coal power plant for 4 seconds... merry christmas sucka

[sour ledge]

it's actually randomized from a pool, so for the rest of us day 20 might be awesome. But for you... you get coal.

[silk ocean]

Savescum and you'll get a piece of iron ore

or half a beryl nut

[sick falcon]

i wish you could make double train platforms, so one side is liquid one side is normal

[silk ocean]

You could always package the liquid

[sick falcon]

isnt that better in general too, throughput-wise

[silk ocean]

I think so

I've never bothered to do it but I think it is higher yea

If you're really wanting to optimise then transport the empty canisters back to the source xD

Guess you'd have to double the length of the train and make the rear half for returned empties

[limpid hazel]

that's not true, it's literally the old game engine with ue5 frankensteined into it for rendering

a more integrated rtx remix

[zealous urchin]

it just works

[silk ocean]

Stuff looks different tho? Like things have been remodeled

[limpid hazel]

they don't behave any differently

that's why it's called remaster and not remake

[thick flame]

Quick question, What's yalls average FPS?

[limpid hazel]

if they remade it they would have called it remake

[thick flame]

cause mines always between 50 to 70, often 20 lower when at my main area base

[silk ocean]

I've always considered a remaster basically the same game just recompiled with higher resolution assets, maybe some enhanced effects and so forth

[limpid hazel]

that is what they did though

[silk ocean]

vsync 100 sometimes dips a bit

[silk ocean]

I've seen side-by-side images and some stuff has been remodeled and it's a different engine, feels more than a straight remaster, but meh, I'll take Remastered xD

[thick flame]

I don't even have Vsync on anymore, I usually do now that I have a system that isn't an HP Compaq lmao but I wasn't having any screen tearing with it off anyways

[silk ocean]

Generally vsync is best on assuming no performance issues, no point really working the GPU harder than it needs to imo

[limpid hazel]

this is just an argument of semantics about how much you change and call it a remaster, you can still use mods made for 20 year old oblivion. the gamebryo engine framework for actually running the game logic is still there. the physics are the same. the exact same bugs from 20 years ago are there. they just replaced the renderer with ue5 and redid assets.

[silk ocean]

Given how much power GPUs consume these days you're just throwing money into the toilet in the HUB

[thick flame]

nvm it has been on lol, I just sorta dealt with the screen tearing when it did happen on the older system lmao

[silk ocean]

Fair enough, it's more of the old game than I realised

Could have at least fixed the bugs lol

Isn't the original engine the Creation engine?

[silk ocean]

I seem to get bad tearing if I have vsync off

or I'm just more sensitive to it

[limpid hazel]

bethesda started calling their version creation engine for fallout 4

[silk ocean]

Ah right

Never been a huge fan of that engine

[thick flame]

If there has been, I just hadn't noticed it :3
at 7fps it's definitely more noticeable though lmao

[silk ocean]

Yikes, Powerpoint Presentation

Maybe turn settings down xD

As my factory has grown the quality sliders have slowly moved leftwards XD

Someone gonna pick me up on that "there aren't any sliders hurrr duurrr"

[limpid hazel]

the engine isn't what is giving bethesda poor writing and lack of attention to roleplay and quest variations, it worked for new vegas

and morrowind

[silk ocean]

It's mostly the bug ridden nature they are famous for XD

[limpid hazel]

if we didn't have an accessible engine like gamebryo powering those games we couldn't even fix them ourselves

[compact flicker]

Time to play the only game with better movement than SatisFactory :3

[limpid hazel]

still due to their slop, not the engine

[silk ocean]

Apex Legends xD

[thick flame]

I only got the single digit FPS when I was using an Intel Integrated CPU for gaming ;-;
That thing was meant to turn on a monitor as a backup or as an office PC to run Excel spreadsheets, not be forced to run DX12 against its will

[compact flicker]

You insult the game I had in mind

[silk ocean]

I'm not saying it's bad, just never been a huge fan of it

[limpid hazel]

minecraft

[silk ocean]

Things got better when it went 64-bit

[compact flicker]

Titanfall 😭

[silk ocean]

LEGO Horizon

[zealous urchin]

titanfal is so good

[silk ocean]

Been ages since I played it

[compact flicker]

Titans in SatisFactory as a phase 5 vehicle when?

[silk ocean]

What about Mirror's Edge if you like wallrunning

[zealous urchin]

id set for a normal rifle

[zealous urchin]

THE Mirrors Edge

[silk ocean]

The one and only (pre-sequel)

[zealous urchin]

🫵 🗿

[silk ocean]

Only in Mirror's Edge do you replay a level 160 times to try and get a perfect run XD

Can't Oblivion Remastered do shader compilation while on the MM

[sick falcon]

why is the game only letting me place path signals in one direction

[silk ocean]

Put them at a track join

Just not the one where the split is

Have like 1.5 foundation spacers on all entrances/exits and put the signals there

[sick falcon]

can i only place them in one direction on the edges of blueprints

bc if i place it somewhere else it works fine

[silk ocean]

Not sure but it's very hit and miss if you're not putting them on track joins, sometimes you can flip direction, sometimes not

[wicked nacelle]

It’s a bug. Put them on the wrong side then it will let you put them on the side you want them delete the first one

[sick falcon]

its just saying there is already a signal placed here when i do that

[silk ocean]

Two immediate quirks with Oblivion Remastered - had to sit for like 5 minutes for shader compilation when it could have been doing it while on the Main Menu, and for some random reason it picked monitor 4 to run on

[silk ocean]

I'd just do spacer method personally, works every time

[sick falcon]

do u have a pic

[silk ocean]

I'll just fire it up

Oh new client version just updating server

[silk ocean]

Kinda like that
#screenshots message

[sick falcon]

ah so dont put them in in the blueprint

[silk ocean]

I guess you could plop them down outside of it yeah

or add another spacer

(in the blueprint) and put the signals inbetween

[sick falcon]

do i need mk3 blueprint designer for that? #screenshots message i dont have room in the mk2

[silk ocean]

Yea for sure

[sick falcon]

damn

[silk ocean]

Well you've got most of it in that Mk.2 print

Would only take a few secs to hook it up and add some signals

It's not like you'll be building path intersections all the time either

[wicked nacelle]

You just look up/down from the places signal to put it on the other side from there

[dense violet]

just make your intersections by hand, that way you'll be able to make custom intersections that better fit your needs

people really put too much effort into only using stock standard blueprints for everything

[silk ocean]

I build everything by hand xD

[opaque birch]

hello, are people in this community capable of empathy?

[whole drum]

I mostly do too. The blueprint designer is really small, so I don't find it super helpful.

[silk ocean]

Checking Empathy Module..... Syntax Error

[silk ocean]

Yea it's far too teeny

[whole drum]

Just NPCs here. No empathy, no internal dialogue, just scripted behaviors.

[strong fiber]

I just bought bunch of parts in the awesome shop so i could unlock the things i needed

[silk ocean]

Me AI Slop Robot beep boop beep

[opaque birch]

fucking actually tho. I'm sick of this shit

[silk ocean]

Whoa whoa whoa chillax bro XD

[whole drum]

Wydm?

[opaque birch]

people not giving a fuck about people? it's stupid, lame, and weak

[sick raptor]

the machines have taken their minds

[silk ocean]

lolwat

[strong fiber]

Jarvis the ragebait was successful

[silk ocean]

Where is this coming from

[whole drum]

I mean, it's a gaming discord--not a therapy room. Not sure what's eating you, though.

[opaque birch]

not looking for therapy

[strong fiber]

Nobody said u was

[silk ocean]

So far you don't seem to be looking for anything other than a rant about something that doesn't even exist

[opaque birch]

looking for decent people. if decent people aren't in this community then I'm out

that's it

[silk ocean]

This is a nice community man

[leaden turret]

decent people are.

unfortunately it has it's share of assholes as well.

[whole drum]

Some of us are both, depending on mood and day

[opaque birch]

aight then we cool. I'm just going through all my servers I take part in

[dense violet]

I mean you're going about this in a really bad way

essentially just slamming open to door and 'demanding of everyone to say they are decent people'

bit of a fuck move

[whole drum]

Asking people if they think they are decent is a weird approach, lol

[dense violet]

like maybe you're in a bad space currently, but it's an ass move

[leaden turret]

also logically flawed.

assholes are the most likely to think they are decent people because they view others as not people so it doesn't count if they're assholes to them 😛

[opaque birch]

you're absolutely right I apologize I'm so sorry

[strong fiber]

Its alright we forgive you

[silk ocean]

Love a bit of drama anyway, spices things up XD

[strong fiber]

We don’t know what you could be going through so its key to be nice to everyone on this dear planet we call earth

[dense violet]

shit happens, and if things are rough, I'm sorry

[strong fiber]

Not so sure about any other planets though

[silk ocean]

You can always talk about it, someone will maybe relate or help out

[whole drum]

Or if you have to be toxic, do it in the Factorio discord since they aren't people like you and me. 😄

[leaden turret]

-# uranus is full of assholes

[real shale]

insert walking in with pizza whilst everything is on fire gif here

[opaque birch]

y'all are so nice actually holy crap

[strong fiber]

good one

[opaque birch]

none of you consented to me dumping my crap on you like that

sorry again, appreciate the graciousness tho

[silk ocean]

Don't worry about it 🙂

[strong fiber]

only on fridays

[strong fiber]

-# Just joking

[silk ocean]

Shatterdays are for broken railways XD

Wait it is Saturday isn't it

[opaque birch]

still friday for me

[strong fiber]

Had to redo rail way system today cuz i found out it was dogshit

[real shale]

Check your train stations now

[silk ocean]

West coast, best coast? xD

[dense violet]

no stress. Just remember if it happens again but with other peeps they may be more reactionary and be more prickly about things, but still not be bad people

[opaque birch]

yesssss lol

[silk ocean]

Lately I've been having problems too, random deadlocks, trains randomly stopping at green signals, etc

[opaque birch]

definitely. that is not the right way to weed people out lol

[strong fiber]

Same its wierd

[silk ocean]

Yea, indeed strange

[strong fiber]

And sometimes a train would blow through a red signal

[real shale]

Me looking into #design-and-architecture in pure jealousy knowing that my creative skills will never be anything remotely close.

Glory to the big box factories!

[strong fiber]

Its very strange

[sick falcon]

i must become more chinese, i need blueprints for every single thing

[opaque birch]

I LOVE blueprints

[dense violet]

I don't know, from what I've seen they've made custom high speed rail for whatever terrain they are using

[opaque birch]

I just.. end up spending ALL my time on blueprints and none of it on using them

[strong fiber]

Blueprints are indeed nice

[silk ocean]

Yea, I have one station where the train comes down and blows way through and stops over half a car beyond, so all the cranes are out of line but still seem to work

[real shale]

I admit I have yet to be enlightened by the greatness of blueprints out of my own laziness

[buoyant anvil]

What is the patch that's available tonight? I don't see anything in announcements.

[strong fiber]

Got the last alternate i need for my rocket fuel factory that ive been working on for an hour already

[opaque birch]

I just end up in a redesigning loop of never ending horror

[dense violet]

maybe delete all your BP machines and just build 🙂

[silk ocean]

Nice, I think my blended plant has about 5 delivery stations xD

[opaque birch]

u so right. perfection is the enemy of progress as i'm sure.. someone has said

[real shale]

I remember that one looooonnnggg rail way bridge I spent hours doing only to realise it's one way and suboptimal and just having to delete most of it, which is a shame because it's the first time I've ever unironically had to use pythagoras theorem in any game ever lol

[lost oasis]

so guys i connected my first nuclear plant to the electricity and right after that everything just died now i need to boot up 30 something coal gens

[dense violet]

and building in this game was perfectly doable before bps were made

maybe just make like 1 bp for each basic machine type with belt/power/pipe connections

that's like.. 90% of the work done

[dense violet]

you could just charge up some power storage?

[lost oasis]

Yeah i was thinking about that but idk what happend tho. i was producing 4500 and consuming like 2200 then it died because i connected the nuclear?

[dense violet]

depensd what was going on, was the nuclear set up running fine on it's own?

[lost oasis]

it wasnt even working i made uranium cells and i was about to make rods and then it died

now it consumes over 7000

[silk ocean]

New game let me just commit to memory a billion controls

[dense violet]

its possible there was a tripped fuse within that net work and that automatically trips anything you connect it to

or more power was needed from one end than you were able to produce

[lost oasis]

i wish that in satisfactory there was something like a map that would show you what thing consumes the most energy

[dense violet]

the game already chews through too much processing power my good person xD

[lost oasis]

goodddd damnn well i gotta travel with a explorer like in the oldd dayss

[whole drum]

Explorer seems to disable enemy AI, so it's an easy way to just kill hogs/spitters/stingers--as long as they are not too big. It can kill the bigger ones, but takes multiple attempts and terrain may not be conducisve to it.

[lost oasis]

or just use bombs

[whole drum]

I'm talking about just the explorer there

[zealous urchin]

explorere needs to have smoother top speed

[leaden turret]

-# engine noise goes "how you doinnnnnnnnnnnnnn"

[zealous urchin]

😆

doOOOOinnnnnnNNNNNNNnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnNNNNNNNnnnnn

[lost oasis]

since wheen explorer drifts so much😭

[zealous urchin]

ada used bots to switch its tires

[lost oasis]

the explorer is unusable now

[normal arch]

Me drifting using the factory cart

[normal arch]

I have not used the explorer for a long time. I only used my feet and trains.

[lost oasis]

it was stable wasnt drifting so much

you literally cannot go more than 70without getting a drift and hitting a tree

[strong fiber]

For blenders does it matter what input you put the item in

Or can it be either

ok thx

[gritty sleet]

Paradise Island (southwest waterfall) is pretty nice. I guess it's called that because there's (seemingly) no hostile creatures, it's relatively flat, and looks beautiful?

[silk ocean]

The coral reefs to the north look amazing too

[gritty sleet]

Yeah the Spire Coast is incredible, I've ruined that one already with an enormous oil rig 😅

[hybrid nymph]

I just completed my oil rig. I have 14 fuel generators, 10 of which are running off of turbofuel, and the other four running off of gasoline which I'm making from the heavy oil residue from the byproduct of producing rubber and plastic.

I thought I could use the heavy oil residue to create plastic, but turns out you can't You can only use polymer resin to do that. Which is a byproduct of producing gasoline. So you have two options to get rid of heavy oil residue: A. You can turn it into petroleum Coke and either burn it for power or awesome sink it. B. You can turn it into gasoline and use it to power fuel generators.

I know gasoline is the least efficient fuel, But it does have its uses. You can make it into turbo fuel or you can burn it for power

[whole drum]

You get more options as you unlock alt recipes

[hybrid nymph]

Oh really?

[gritty sleet]

I use the diluted fuel recipe, but that needs blenders (or you can use diluted packaged fuel, which is very similar, but that needs packagers and is annoying). Uses water and HOR to make a lot of fuel.

And there's also better turbofuel ones

[whole drum]

Annoying, but can access earlier

[gritty sleet]

Oh yeah, I totally did. I had the blenders and hoverpack unlocked before I'd even built more than a very small temporary oil refinery. I used my coupons to buy stacks of stuff like the alclad sheets to unlock the higher milestones.

[strong fiber]

Can someone respond to my questions and help im stuck fr

Please and thank you

[sick falcon]

#screenshots message where do i aim to get this thing to autoconnect

[dense violet]

in front some distance?

play with it

[tight crystal]

Either ist fine!

Solid on a belt, liquid in a Pipe oc

[reef basin]

You can make a blueprint for DPF which you can basically build as if it was a blender

[gritty sleet]

True, but still kinda visually unappealing imo. Works fine mathematically though, they're equal in resource consumption/production.

[undone citrus]

I feel the pull chat

The temptation to drop everything, start again with new knowledge and do even better

But I'll lose the trains...

[gritty sleet]

On the plus side, you could do the trains even better too, if the pull is strong enough to give up the existing ones.

[whole drum]

And make better ones

[gritty sleet]

I'd never start over personally, I've got 900+ hours on this save now 😬

[whole drum]

I have like 5-something saves lol

[undone citrus]

Im already on my second save

[gritty sleet]

I've only got my original Update 3 save, and this one I started in 1.0.

[undone citrus]

Played 60 hours on my first world 100% blind minus seeing let's game it out.

And it went badly. With an extra 140 hours on my current world going back to og causes me immense disgust lol

[strong fiber]

Spent 4 hours on a rocket fuel plant so far gonna spend 4 more tomorrow bringing resources powering it and placing fuel gens so thats cool

[sick falcon]

why is one specific blueprint not dismantling

[strong fiber]

Too much aura

[undone citrus]

I have a question

What spawn has the best quality and quantity nodes for a starting area? I've only played fields and northern forest and north forest was honestly amazing but the other two are unknown

[merry granite]

i think dunes

[strong fiber]

Dune desert

It has TONS of pure iron

And lots of other pure nodes barely any impure nodes

[merry granite]

the main disadvantage is not much biomass afaik

[strong fiber]

Not really

[undone citrus]

What's the general starter location look like? (I know not everyone picks the same spot but I've noticed a very common one for each spawn for most people)

[strong fiber]

If you build in a good spot lots of trees in a condensed area and water and coal

[strong fiber]

a desert

[undone citrus]

Well yeah

[strong fiber]

Idk how to explain it

[merry granite]

the desert doesnt really have that where people build in 1 specific place

i dont think

[undone citrus]

Oh interesting. Cause yeah I've noticed grass fields and northern forest basically have one easy and obvious starter base location so I figured desert would have one too

[strong fiber]

You can build wherever im just saying that it will make your early game much easier because you dont have to go far for biomass and you can build coal power just out in the ocean

[strong fiber]

Theres ones that are better than others in my opinion

But it doesn’t matter to be honest

I gotta go to bed now though

[undone citrus]

I love north forest, great iron nodes, close quartz, somewhat close coal, good limestone and copper nodes off spawn

[strong fiber]

Its 3 am because been working on rocket fuel plant

[undone citrus]

Take care

Its 1:30 am here

[strong fiber]

you too have a good rest of your day

[undone citrus]

But I haven't even played any games today

[strong fiber]

Or night

[sterile blade]

All starting locations have one. Just a spot where iron is close to copper and Limestone and a decent amount of Biomass (ofc, the latter will be more scarce in deserts)

[undone citrus]

That makes sense

I could start in the red forest

[sterile blade]

You don't wanna scare off new players, no matter where they decide to start after all

[undone citrus]

Would be interesting

Although not many close basic nodes

Hmmm

[dense violet]

only coal

[undone citrus]

Bauxite

And temp uranium

[dense violet]

... basic nodes?

[undone citrus]

Lmao

What's the scariest biome

[zealous urchin]

abyss cliffs

[tame tendon]

Ok lowkey I just joined my world and I thought I saw snow on the ground. Devs PLEASE ADD DYNAMIC SNOW DURING WINTER MONTHS I would love that sooooooo much. It would be so cozy. Anyways thanks for the amazing game lol.

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @sterile blade

[sterile blade]

The chance of the devs seeing this are... Abysmal 😅
Much more luck on the QA site though!

[sick falcon]

they should add snow that piles up over time on everything and buries the world

[reef basin]

heavily doubt that

[sterile blade]

Only the beans will be left standing

[dense violet]

I'd be happy with rain back

[tame tendon]

Yeah I just couldnt find a way to sign in and got to lazy to figure it out lol

[dense violet]

oooh maybe rain will be the 1.2 fluid fix

[sterile blade]

Making accounts is tiring...
It's no surprise that "accounting" is an actual job!

[tame tendon]

real lol

[whole drum]

I would love some more dynamic weather effects--raind, storms, wind, etc

[dense violet]

yeah, I'm curious why rain became a problem

[whole drum]

Some biomes would naturally suit some better than others, like dust devils in the dunes

[sterile blade]

Were you around for U7/U8? ^^

[whole drum]

Extremely briefly

[sterile blade]

That's when CSS made it rain for a while iirc... Brief but memorable

[whole drum]

Even the original Oblivion has it lol

[sterile blade]

It also came with some pretty unique bugs xD

[whole drum]

And it looks/sounds good!

[sterile blade]

Don't get me started on the look of metal surfaces under the rain

[whole drum]

At least it doesn't turn into plastic like FO4

[sterile blade]

Speaking of, the sound it could make, with the new and improved sound system... That might be interesting on its own

Reverbering rain patter

[whole drum]

Yeah, Oblivion had many flaws, but some things were quite good, and there's a reason the fans of the game find it so memorable

[reef basin]

afaik it was "their solution to rain became a problem with engine update"

[sterile blade]

They should just switch to an electrical engine already

[undone citrus]

Help I'm lost and scared. The fart rocks keep ambushing me

Why are they so hard to see win the swamp

[sterile blade]

TFW an unmoving object ambushed you 😆

[undone citrus]

Fr 😭😭

[hot mango]

good morning ficsers 😺

[undone citrus]

I started in the desert cause people said it was good, immediately noped out and wandered into slendermans swamp

[sterile blade]

Sounds like a... reasonable destination

[undone citrus]

I want freedom

[sterile blade]

And instead, you got

[dense violet]

all the starting areas are about the same, baring the northern forests where you need to build upwards

[undone citrus]

At least I got turbo motors in under 3 minutes

[whole drum]

Forest is probably the best place if you know what you're doing, but if I were brand new again, I'd want someone to tell me about Rocky Desert.

[undone citrus]

I love north forest

[dense violet]

really not much dif to grassy fields or dune

[undone citrus]

Pretty and resource rich

[dense violet]

except it has a bad colour palet 😛

[whole drum]

Grass is trash. Not even a valid option imo. You do that when you want to intentional hamper yourself.

[undone citrus]

I don't like the grassy fields cause it's just too plain

[sterile blade]

I'll make a counterpoint: it's too rich, and makes everywhere else feel lacking in comparison when you start branching out 😭

[dense violet]

huh, 'just hot takes' is already on your profile.

[undone citrus]

It's good for building, but honestly I want a nice environment

[undone citrus]

Yeah pretty much

[whole drum]

Hardly a hot take at all. It is the weakest start in resources and location.

[undone citrus]

Almost every node in a pure form in reasonable range

And close quartz. It's so nice

[sterile blade]

Badum-tss!

[dense violet]

it's about the same distance to crystal, has caterium. Excellent starting coal power lake about the same distance away, lots of copper and iron

[hot mango]

my main base is on the beach next to the swamp, i built out over the water, everything you need is pretty close

[dense violet]

and a couple convenient coal nodes for steel with lots of space to try things out

also has caterium

and sulfur

[undone citrus]

Yeah

[dense violet]

dune desert might have a slight advantage as it's crystal is less well guarded than Rocky or Grass

[undone citrus]

When I started in geassfields that coal lake kinda sucked

[dense violet]

nah, the nearby coal is great for steel.

[whole drum]

The coal is extremely inconvenient in Grass, so is the Cat

[dense violet]

smush some nearby iron into it and boom

[undone citrus]

I've never understood the community enjoyment of the desert

Probably building space

[dense violet]

.... you build a couple foundations over to the cat and coal.

done.

it's about the least effort of anything

[whole drum]

They are on the fringes of your area too

[undone citrus]

HOW DO I LEAVE THE SWAMP

[dense violet]

only if you build far away from it.

I'm putting x2 next to hot takes

[undone citrus]

I feel like I'm going in circles

[whole drum]

Which you will, because that's where most of your resources are

[green fiber]

Head one direction and keep going there

[undone citrus]

Idk where that band lives

[hot mango]

head north/east

[dense violet]

there's tons of copper and iron right next to them xD
I'm looking at the map now

[hot mango]

go to the beach 😺

[sterile blade]

Also just looks and vibes ^^

[whole drum]

Which is the other (main) thing: no rich nodes in the area. Automatic disqualification in my eyes.

[undone citrus]

Nah that's why I hate the desert lol

[whole drum]

It's the only starting location like that

[undone citrus]

Doesn't look like anything. So ugly

[dense violet]

you're belt limited on your miners for almost the whole tier process - equal output value impure nodes are more valuable than pure nodes

[whole drum]

You're only limited until mk2 belts, which is quite early

[dense violet]

no? you generally cannot extract max output of a pure node based on what your miner has

[whole drum]

Pure node with Mk1 is 120/m

Mk2 belt is 120/m

[dense violet]

and you get mk2 miners VERY quick

[whole drum]

Those are an entire phase away

[dense violet]

and then for a huge part of the game you have mk2s which pure nodes cannot be max extracted and equal output impure are better

like pretty much out of the pre tutorial you have mk2 miners

[whole drum]

You keep saying "max extracted" like you can't just upgrade them later--which ofc you can, because I do

[dense violet]

but for most of the tier process, you cannot extract everything from 1 pure node because of belt limitations

you're better off having 4 impure nodes

if you need that much ore

[whole drum]

120 on them is the max until Mk3 belts, which comes early on, and you just need power shards until you have Mk2 miners

Nah, screw impures. That's way more hassle.

[stray wagon]

Is instant plutonium cell alt recipe good?

[whole drum]

What are your criteria for a recipe to be good?

[stray wagon]

Idk is it just considered to be good

I haven’t started on and uranium or nuclear power and just got the recipe

[whole drum]

That's the thing, most of the alts are subjectively valued

[stray wagon]

Waited until I could get rid of the waste to power the thing

[dense violet]

all recipes are good. Depends what you want to use them for

and what you are trying to do

there is no 'meta' in this game. You're in the wrong place for that

[stray wagon]

Well end goal is to make nuclear power with no waste

[dense violet]

if that's all yo uwant you probably want a recipe that uses more waste?

[stray wagon]

But for now gotta make the plutonium rods to sink them

[prime jasper]

Yeah I am still not sure if using less plutonium waste per plutonium rod is a good or a bad thing.

You get more plutonium rod, but if your goal was consuming the plutonium waste it is less effective somehow?

[dense violet]

you mean uranium waste?

[whole drum]

I think a few recipes have upsides that so far outweigh any downsides that we can fairly just say they are good in a "nearly" objective way--like the Pure recipes; water is almost free, so using it to multiply other resources is pretty much always going to be a net positive

[dense violet]

if you're goal is 'more plutonium rods' then it's good, right?

[whole drum]

The only caveat is whether you need those extra resources for anything

Almost all of the others are much more situational/subjective, tho

[gritty zealot]

YOOOO

WHOS FACTORISING??

[dense violet]

I don't have any equations I need the factors of, so not me

[gritty zealot]

thats not good enough

[hot mango]

im driving my train around the map shooting stuff with explosive rounds to get dna points 😀

[gritty zealot]

excellent work pioneer

[undone citrus]

I accidentally dropped Berries and now I have two dogs. Help

[hot mango]

thanks, i completed the game ages ago, so now i just collect vouchers 😸

[hot mango]

we need cats, cats are best..

[gritty zealot]

how many hours did it take you, im currently on 800

[undone citrus]

Nah

Couldn't care less about cats.

[hot mango]

humm.. im not sure tbh, i really cant say i didnt rush it thats for sure, i have completed it 2x and have 1000's of hours in game now

[hot mango]

what? cats are the best

[undone citrus]

Hard pass. Some can be cute but honestly not for me. They're just not big enough, and most couldn't care less about you unless you stop feeding them

[scenic mirage]

😡 wtf you just say ab me

[whole drum]

We have cats... They are, in fact, not the best. They are the worst.

[hot mango]

they do care, when my wife goes out the back the cat goes with her to guard her, when she is ill he lays with her for comfort, when i go have a lay down he comes and cuddles me

[scenic mirage]

Cats only care if they think you don't

[whole drum]

Yeah, the cats in Sf want to "cuddle" alright...

[scenic mirage]

If you're tryna pet them and stuff they'll avoid you

[whole drum]

Not unlike gals in the dating pool 😄

[hot mango]

what you have to realise is everything is on the cats terms, not yours, thats cats for you 😸

and girls too lmao

[whole drum]

This is why dogs are all you need--they actually want to be your friend ❤️

[scenic mirage]

Lets not make massive generalizations about 50% of the world

[hot mango]

i like dogsd too, i used to have a boader collie, black and white just like my tuxedo cat lol, trouble with dogs is they want to go out everyday and cats exercise themselves

[green fiber]

average introvert vs extrovert discussion

[hot mango]

yee

[green fiber]

they all want friends

just go about it differently

[old parrot]

i just noticed that i havent played in like 5 hours but ive been watching anime well its been open

[scenic mirage]

Dogs are rlly cute and also great cuddle buddies

Cats are cute but you cant show it too much otherwise theyll avoid you

[merry granite]

can i turn off the ores from the radios on the map

[whole drum]

Yeah, the map lets you filter stuff

[merry granite]

thanks

[sterile blade]

But they don't purr 😭

[whole drum]

Because that isn't something you need

[sterile blade]

Like, sure, I'd use belts all the time instead of trains, but belts just don't honk enough

[hot mango]

😆

[scenic mirage]

#off-topic-media message
Mine does

[sterile blade]

"Purrs" menacingly

[hot mango]

me killing stuff with nuke noelisks, muuuuaaahhhh 😁

[scenic mirage]

I automated cluster nobelisks recently

And I'm in phase 5

[hot mango]

nice 😺

[scenic mirage]

Not nice nuclear is killing me

So much to make ready

[hot mango]

yup it is a bit of a pain tbh

i set my nuke nobelisks to be made at the swamp

[idle glen]

how do I take items one by one, like one item at a time

[gloomy sedge]

Hi all. Got a question about the base ps5 version before I buy it. Does it have an FOV slider like the PC version? Thanks!!

[hot mango]

you can pickup single items from a belt or pick up loads and split them in your gear

[idle glen]

so you cant take a single item from a storage, you need to split the stack

[hot mango]

yes, you can split 50/50 or choose how much with the slide bar

[compact flicker]

Yeah

[hot mango]

gotta stop, hands ache.. need to kill more... 😮

well so far i got 260 hoggy bits, 158 spitty bits, 21 spider bits and 7 hatcher bits, not bad and i need to take a break

[pearl sparrow]

could i go find more alt recipes? yes.

am i gonna make 4 HMF per minute with only cast screws anyway? also yes.

[zenith ermine]

my fixmas tree on the mam is empty is the event not yet started?

[gritty zealot]

ive already finished the event, so it probably has begun

just a speculation though

[zenith ermine]

oh what the heck

[unkempt blade]

cast screws is the best alt recipe so there's really no improvements left to find

[pearl sparrow]

ive heard there are ways to completely eliminate screws but i cant be bothered

[unkempt blade]

yeah but that's weak talk from people who just don't like using screws

a chunk of the community refuses to do anything but "here's a single huge manifold for all the screws" then complains about why it doesn't work well (being a high-count item)

[short root]

What I like about screws is the speed they have on the belt, no stopping, just in and out. No time to live. When all other belts stop, the screws are still moving.

[pearl sparrow]

like to produce them or transport them? bc i currently have 26 constructors on a single manifold with 18 of them being for screws

[unkempt blade]

like you're doing HMFs now which need a lot of screws so if you're trying to do many HMFs/min you can't just feed it all down one conveyor as screws. What you do is little clusters of constructors near each manufacturer making screws and feed them iron or steel (recipe depending) from the big conveyor because it has a lower item count

and then instead of moving 120 screws/manufacturer or whatever the number is you're moving like 1/5 of that as iron ingots

[pearl sparrow]

i did some extra underclocking so 1 belt can have 360 and the other with 480, 360 going to reinforced iron plates and the other 480 going away to the other part of the factory im making closer to the coal and limestone

[unkempt blade]

this is also a pattern which works really well as a blueprint

can make a nice little module of machines that churn out HMFs at the end and feed them resources that are easy to manifold into the module

[pearl sparrow]

#screenshots message i fear i may use manifolds too much

[unkempt blade]

lol it's kind of the primary pattern for conveyors in this game but you'll hit its item count limitation more easily with screws and need multiple manifolds worth at some quantity of items produced

like I think heavy flexible frames is a really good recipe but it just benefits from a slightly different build pattern than heavy encased frames would

[scenic mirage]

@dense violet 🙏 if you have some time
#1451894577664360560 message

[green fiber]

Screw-heavy recipes benefit a LOT from steel screw

you just plop down a Constructor right in front of them and then you just manifold steel beams

[zealous urchin]

looks normal

[remote orbit]

I just unlocked phase 3 after 136 hours 🥹 never thought id get this far through

[zealous urchin]

fax

[pearl sparrow]

im so tired but the factory must grow

[gaunt chasm]

Kan you play multieplayer via playstqtion5 and pc

[unkempt blade]

have you considered using energy drinks to brew a stronger cup of coffee?

[pearl sparrow]

genius

[unkempt blade]

IRL alt recipes

[gaunt chasm]

Can you play crosplay with ps5 and pc

[unkempt blade]

I don't think so

[gaunt chasm]

🙁

[whole drum]

Funny thing is, if you use white coffee and a splash of milk/cream, you can add almost any flavor and have it work out

I wouldn't generally advise adding flavors that amounts to candy, but it could work

[pearl sparrow]

time to fire it up, about a 0.01% chance it works with no issues but we'll see

[compact flicker]

Doing math while tired leads to inefficiencies

[real shale]

Me wondering why half my factory are showing yellow lights at 5am

[pearl sparrow]

the math was done but ive already found 3 incorrect conveyor types and a merge line that wasnt completed

doing construction while tired also leads to inefficiencies

[compact flicker]

I just keep my best belt on the quickwheel

[unkempt blade]

probably conveyor gremlins

[pearl sparrow]

i have 1-4 on quick, i tend to like only using higher tiers when necessary

[dense violet]

have 1 belt on a hot bar , hold E to bring up a menu wheel of all the other belts.
saves on space

[pearl sparrow]

i love you platonically

[compact flicker]

I love it when a manifold input needs the exact amount one of my lower tier belts can handle

[unkempt blade]

Yeah I prefer how slower belts look when possible. Everything zooming past at 1200/min isn't as interesting

[compact flicker]

No lizard doggo! Get out of the foliage I'm trying to blow up!

[dense violet]

Understandable

[dense violet]

when you have the radial menu up for things like walls and foundations, you can also Right Click to change the material choice

[pearl sparrow]

i feel like im being told the secrets of the universe

[dense violet]

you probably know middle mouse button to eye drop items? works on BPs too

[whole drum]

If you have a belt on bar, you can also just press the hotkey, then tap E to cycle through the ones you have access to

[dense violet]

oh and if you hold CTRL you can half nudge objects

[pearl sparrow]

is there a way to quick deconstruct BPs or do you just need to mass select (didnt know about eyedropping BPs)

[dense violet]

deconstruct in BP mode

[dense violet]

many many actions you can perform and various build items have 'modes' that alter things. Just look under your cursor for options

[rocky star]

does anyone want to play with me :<

[pearl sparrow]

tysm for all of this forbidden knowledge, i shall now sleep bc it is 7am

[dense violet]

no sweat, when you get used to all the little tricks with a bit of practice your build speed will really fly 🙂

[unkempt blade]

better hurry, the next shift in the factory starts in 70m

[compact flicker]

Gn Pioneer

Enjoy your microbreak

[compact flicker]

(70 microseconds)

[whole drum]

That's 700 nanoseconds, very luxurious.

[compact flicker]

Ficsit is a very generous company

[compact flicker]

I feel like once I figure out how to autoconnect blueprints, I'll build like 1.5x faster

[dense violet]

meh, never bothered with it

[whole drum]

I think the key thing is to mirror your inputs and outputs cleanly within the blueprint itself. That way the auto feature can predict what you're trying to do more easily.

[compact flicker]

Less that it doesn't work when I try doing it, more that I haven't tried in the first place lol

[whole drum]

Oh, fair enough

I don't generally use blueprints all that much, but it looks like a very powerful feature

[compact flicker]

I have a mk1 blueprint that is 24 smelters

Its very nice

[whole drum]

I usually set up with either 1x4 or 2x4 (vertically) for smelters since it aligns with the math of miners better

[compact flicker]

It was built with the foresight of mk3 miners

Its meant to handle 2 of em on normal nodes

[pale dew]

omfg i have to bring so many things to the nitrogen wells

modular frame will be the death of me

[dense violet]

why not move the nitrogen to your other things? usually easier

[pale dew]

idk pipes cant hold so much so i assumed trains cant either

[dense violet]

trains can hold as much as the cars you build 🙂 and packaged nitrogen compresses 4x

[pale dew]

maybe that would be better yeah

[dense violet]

droning nitrogen is very convenient too

[pale dew]

well packaging it...

well if i wanted to package it i would have to build another factory

hell yeah

[dense violet]

not really. Just build the containers once

and then return the containers to be packaged again

[pale dew]

yoo

[dense violet]

just need like 1 contructor using aluminium ingots

[pale dew]

thats actually smart

[compact flicker]

I dont mind several km long pipes

[pale dew]

ratio maxing

[compact flicker]

wot

[pale dew]

you either build for ratioes or you build so it looks good

[rocky star]

anyone want to play with me?

[dense violet]

!lfg

[raven axle]

Hello there totally awesome user! You can checkout https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/1201555265942724758 and check the pins on how to find folks to play with. <3

[pale vapor]

Hi folks. Just hit 73 hours on this amazing game and dont think ill stop anytime soon! Just wondering if there is an offical suggestions area as there are some things i think would really be awesome. Hope you all have a wonderful festive period!

[dense violet]

#faq

but probably go through al lthe tiers and see all the options you get

they're basically a tutorial

[hybrid nymph]

Hey guys, this is my 5th playthrough, I always stopped at nuclear power, but this time is different, I plan to finish the game and to build the most efficient factory as possible this time and make a factory unlike any other.

I have 497 hours in the game on Steam

[whole drum]

Have you already started run 5, or about to?

[hybrid nymph]

I have already started on December 1st

I am currently on tier 6 and almost to tier 7 & 8

[whole drum]

Ah, the point of no return approaches

[hybrid nymph]

I currently have 79 hours in this save

I just finished an 8 hour play session tonight with the game. I started at 8 PM and finished at 4 AM

[dense violet]

Personally I'd not 'finish' the game and just keep using it as a sand box after the tiers 😉

[hybrid nymph]

I finished my oil plant tonight

Random question: is it worth overclocking a nuclear reactor?

[dense violet]

if you want. shards are infinite

[hybrid nymph]

I currently have about 350 shards

I know you can eventually craft shards, so you're technically right

[zealous urchin]

seemingly unsuspicious question followed by a flex

[dense violet]

350 isn't much

[hybrid nymph]

What I really need now are sommer sloops

[dense violet]

eh, duping items is boring

[hybrid nymph]

I know I need to explore more

Any tips for finding more sommer sloops?

[zealous urchin]

load ur save into scim

[compact flicker]

Shards are technically infinite in tier 1

Blue slugs (idk about the others) are part of the lizard doggo loot pool

[zealous urchin]

planetary gear can move entire universe after all stars stop burning ahhhh

[stoic steeple]

You can all the slugs from Lizard Doggos

[compact flicker]

Lol

[wind siren]

i always forget about the doggos and slugsa

[tawny steppe]

"Small patch" = 1,7 gigs?

[fluid sapphire]

smaller than some

[pale dew]

i have an idea on how to make the game better

use an image in the menu.

thats it, for no reason my gpu shouldve 80C in menu

[wind siren]

whats in the patch?

just steamdeck ui stuff?

[idle glen]

does the amount of points for next coupon increase with every milestone?

[pale dew]

yes

[idle glen]

how much?

[fluid sapphire]

not with every milestone, with every coupon

[pale dew]

not linear

oh yeah my link got deleted gg

just google sink satisfactory

[fluid sapphire]

!wikisearch awesome+sink

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=awesome+sink

[pale dew]

or do that yeah

[fluid sapphire]

you must have posted the link to the wrong wiki, those get auto removed

[whole drum]

Does the "right" one still not have the power stuff on the right pages?

Or did it get fixed?

[green fiber]

Power stuff?

[whole drum]

Where it shows the power increase/decrease for clock speed

[pale dew]

where there is power

[green fiber]

I checked a few pages and they have the power on them

Like Constructor, Assembler, Manufacturer

[whole drum]

The Fandom page has the power usage formula, with examples, right there on the "Clock Speed" page--where it makes sense

I'm not knocking the actual wiki in general--but this particular point strikes me as odd

[hard ivy]

On the new wiki, it's on the "advanced clock speed" page or whatever it's called

Don't ask me why that's a second page and not a section on the first

[echo shell]

guys where can i upload a video to show a bug, since discord has a tiny limit and this bug is kinda weird.

I was travelling in my hypertube, that ends by spitting you out into a goop pad. When i was shot out, i passed through the floor and into the world void. My character was still in the hypertube travelling animation though so i didnt die and jut kept falling until I reset my character.

[whole drum]

Yeah, that's dumb. Power usage is one of the most basic properties intrinsic to clock speed. It should be on the main page for it.

[green fiber]

Was moved because its so much it seems

Im surprised theres no direct link

Only one at the ver bottom

Like, i would have expected a small, simple power section on the clock speed page that directly links to that page

Welp, i can make that happen I guess

[whole drum]

Imo, it should have a header between the "Purpose" and "Configuration" sections for "Power Usage." Doesn't have to be super long. Just the forumla and a sample chart and it's easy to understand.

Can even link to the advanced page for the gritty details

[green fiber]

I would have put a simple " power section" where it just goes sonething like

"Clocking affects power consumption of production machines. At 200% clock speed , they use 2.5x their base power. At 50% clock speed, they use 40% their base power. For more info see page (Advanced clock speed)"

[whole drum]

That could honestly work, but should probably explicitly note that it follows an exponential curve, hence the 50/40 discrepancy.

[green fiber]

Obv.
Was just a quick example

[wind siren]

so curious, is anyone else playing on a map with the GRN4 on it?

[ivory condor]

GRN4?

[wind siren]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/megaprints/index/details/id/1260/name/Global+Rail+Network+4.0+for+Satisfactory+v1.0

[ivory condor]

oh cool

[wind siren]

i loaded all the options too and not sure why the geothermals arent outputting any power yet, but might need me to reach that tier again?

[silent heron]

I haven't seen any power guide videos mentioning the use of mixing geothermal plants with alien power augmenters, right now I'm generating 16k MW of free energy and I don't even have all the geothermal plants claimed

[whole drum]

Probably because augmenters are kind of an expensive use of sloops

[wind siren]

do sloops have another/better use?

[whole drum]

That's a matter of opinion/preference

Personally, power is cheap to make, but advanced components are not, so I would rather get extra yields on those

[wind siren]

interesting, i cannot dismantle something if i lack the tech to make it 😄

[whole drum]

And as for Geo--it's not unreasonable that someone could look at the average output as the "net gain," but that is only valid if you build energy storage for them. Otherwise, you only gain the minimum yield since if your grid was close to the wire, relying on "average" output would black you out half the time.

That said, if someone wanted to put a little effort in and use priority power switches, they could hook up all the geos and augmenters to a shared line that is mostly segregated from the main grid, but connected to your other (main) power plants, acting as a backup kick-starter should you need them to go down for some reason--otherwise just supplementing the main grid through them.

Most people just prefer to keep an eye on their consumption and always stay well above it, though. Don't need to manage power if you never threaten to exceed your production.

[wind siren]

i always thought of making "startup" grids should i have a hiccup or something but never got around to them as it was more a pita for the main grid to go down ever than anything else

[whole drum]

PPS can act as enough of a fail-safe on its own

Put power plants on priority 1, everything else not 1, lol

[wind siren]

dont think i had them to use before. are they like power switches for subgrids? would make it noce to put all power generation as priority 1 grids

[whole drum]

Yep, that's what they're for

You can obv use them for other creative endeavors, but if you set them up, you should never have a full black out

[frosty bloom]

They are nice, while testing my nuclear plant, if everything works or not. Can easily swap any of my 20 plant lines offline if getting backup on waste, or seeing something isnt working in the end

[wind siren]

i wish the chainsaw had an ajdustable aoe for increased fuel cost. hate how tiny the aoe is

we need a lawnmower/treecuter mode for the explorer/tractor

[dense violet]

no, why would I want someone else's factory system?

[pale dew]

[wind siren]

uh, its NOT a factory. its a rail network

bombs dont get you the bio 😄

[dense violet]

and logistics are an intrinsic part of the factory

[pale dew]

why would you even need bio

only bio i like is diesel

[wind siren]

same reason i always do. have not gotten to coal yet 😄

[pale dew]

just get leaves

frfr

just boil water for energy smh

[compact flicker]

The chainsaw not being able to use alternative fuel types is really odd imo

[wind siren]

is that simply cuz you get it earlier?

[pale dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJF8f6v_FNw

they already have a reason

they dont have a ui

so they just chose the earliest fuel you get

well besides wood and leaves

also imagine powering a chainsaw with nuclear rods

[hard ivy]

as soon as I have another fuel, I no longer use the chainsaw. So I don't see a point in the chainsaw being able to use another type of fuel

[pale dew]

real chainsaw is obsolete really fast

[white dawn]

Eh, gotta keep those biomass/solidbiofuel/packaged-liquid-biofuel/gas-nobelisk bins filled up somehow :D

[hard ivy]

alien protein

[white dawn]

I generally continue to chainsaw to clear out spaces for factory builds through the whole playthrough, though I know many folks just prefer

[compact flicker]

Don't mean to backseat dev, but wouldn't the UI for ammo swapping work perfectly? Could give it a larger area radius and faster speed or smn

[white dawn]

Of course, but if I'm clearing area for a factory anyway, I don't like to see the biomass go to waste. :)

[pale dew]

already used

by the area switching

[compact flicker]

hold/tap?

[white dawn]

Jetpack would be the closest analogue UIwise

Really the only thing preventing chainsaw from using alternate fuels in the same way is, presumably, it's just not high enough on their priority list

(and/or they literally just don't want to do it, of course)

But I can't imagine it'd be difficult to graft the same jetpack-fuel-switching functionality onto the chainsaw if someone at CSS made the time for it

[hard ivy]

E and R are usually used for radial menus. just use one for mode, one for fuel

[ivory condor]

really thats a thing?

[pale dew]

they still dont have a ui coded

[white dawn]

They do: see the Jetpack.

[pale dew]

and lets be real, its not really a top 1 prio thing

[pale dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJF8f6v_FNw

[white dawn]

They just haven't bothered to hook it up to the chainsaw is all.  (Maybe they literally don't want to, or maybe it's just a priority thing)

[pale dew]

idk man i thing devs know better

[white dawn]

That's from five years ago, before they introduced the ability to select Jetpack fuel

Jetpack used to be in the exact same boat. Now it isn't. :)

[pale dew]

Well

[white dawn]

They have in the meantime solved that UI issue.

[pale dew]

maybe now it aint cuz you wont use it post coal

so why would they bother

[wind siren]

i cant dismantle rail segments yet prob cuz i dont have steel unlocked

[white dawn]

You might not use it post-coal. As I've said, I continue to use it throughout the whole playthrough. :)

But I'm honestly not even arguing for whether or not the feature should be added. I'm just saying that all the UI stuff already exists now. So it's either that they Just Don't Want To™, or it's just not been high enough on a priority list yet

The "there is no UI" argument for it is no longer true. :)

[whole drum]

I feel like the aoe of the chainsaw was bigger before 1.1

[pale dew]

just use nobelisks frfr

[white dawn]

Nah, as I said before, I feel like 💥'd biomass is a wate. :D I generally always have a small production line + storage for biomass, solid biofuel, packaged liquid biofuel, and gas nobelisks

I like to continue to have new material fed into that line throughout the playthrough, even if overkill. :)

[whole drum]

Liquid Biofuel burn time is impressive, but it really suffers from coming way too late in progression.

[white dawn]

So whenever I'm clearing factory space, even very late game, I'm chainsawing to do so. :)

"Way too late" meaning "the next step after solid biofuel?"

LBF + Turbofuel make for great jetpack fuels once you're in that phase

And stay relevant for quite awhile, if you're one to fully "finish up" a phase before moving onto the next

[whole drum]

No, because you need the packager, and then you're already on fuel and can get the alt for turbo easily

[dim flint]

I like my ionized fuel

[white dawn]

LBF competes well with Turbofuel. They've got different use cases; I generally end up switching between them as the case warrants, at that point

[hard ivy]

why would I want to use turbo 😆

[white dawn]

At that stage in the game, I agree that Turbofuel's my usual factory-building fuel, but for map traversal I'm nearly always switching to LBF

[whole drum]

I wish LBF was a few steps earlier so I could use it for vehicles instead for longer before getting later fuels

[whole drum]

Jetpack

[dim flint]

I guess LBF would be better if you're trying to build with it, but once you have the hoverpack I see no use case for it.

[hard ivy]

lbf is better tho

[white dawn]

Hoverpack and jetpack have very different usecases

[whole drum]

Nah, Turbo just gets you there. LBF is slow.

[white dawn]

For longer-distance map hovering, though, LBF beats Turbofuel hands down. :)

[dim flint]

I know. I'm just saying before you unlock the hoverpack. I can see LBF being useful.

[whole drum]

Although, I will give LBF credit for one thing in particular--it's the best fuel for distance if you want to use h-cannons

[dim flint]

Not rocket or ionized tho I don't think.

[white dawn]

Sure, but those are kind of outside the area of conversation here. I was mostly just debating the assertion that LBF comes "too late" to be useful

[scenic mirage]

LBF is what i get when i eat at mcdonalds

[hard ivy]

it's very useful for building. even after the hoverpack

[whole drum]

I would never use jetpack over hover for building, lol

[green fiber]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Clock_speed#Power_usage
Reintroduced the the power segmentto clock speed page, in a smaller format

[white dawn]

(And all of it stems back from me saying that I find the chainsaw useful throughout the whole playthrough. What strange tangents we get up to! :D)

[dim flint]

Or does it give you positive velocity instantly? Otherwise I assume the net acceleration over time is best with sipping short bursts of ionized.

[whole drum]

Why is that link not working?

[green fiber]

its working fine for me....

[dim flint]

I just rarely build without power. But sometimes for foundations.

[whole drum]

Yeah, my browswer crashed rofl

[scenic mirage]

my aluminum works perfectly fine now, been making 360 alum ingot/min from each refinery * 5 = 1800 alum ingot/min

not a single drop in over an hour

[whole drum]

Looks great. Thank you!

[scenic mirage]

its kinda like how you do coal refineries at the start, fill from the ends and middle and you get equal flow throughout

at least i think 😭 but it works with no issues so lfg

[pale dew]

i have a 480 alu/min

i had so many problems with it frfr

[scenic mirage]

im making smth like 7k+ a minute in my whole save

[hard ivy]

I always build power last

and building it together with everything else is annoying af

until I modded the hoverpack to have double the range, I very rarely used it.

ig I'm just used to building with the jetpack before the hoverpack was even added so it's no issue to me.

[whole drum]

Once I have hovers, I build powerlines to where I want to build. There's no reason I would use a jetpack and build stuff that I am going to need to connect power to later anyway.

[dim flint]

I'm bad enough placing things where I want them with the hoverpack inertia, so the jetpack was difficult to be precise for me.

But yea I do a lot of making temporary power poles before I build out a better circuit.

Speaking of which. I have A LOT of old power lines to clean up from my early game nonsense.

[whole drum]

Pre-Mk2 power pole factories are often such a mess for me, lol

[scenic mirage]

ive started just running a grid under my whole factory so i can just fly

[white dawn]

I generally have power built into my blueprints so power tends to come along with me as I build (though to be fair, part of the reason I do that is because I want to be building with the aid of hoverpack. :)

[scenic mirage]

use 1m walls and make a grid

[dim flint]

I do want to preserve my old high voltage power freeway I used a crazy number of times.

[hard ivy]

I just have 100s of hours of practice lol https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DCifMiZL8KC4lsnMeW7R24Prn_hO3H4e/view?usp=drive_link

[white dawn]

Over time I've found that I rarely use more than mk1s. I tend to daisychain production buildings (with power sockets blueprinted "into" the machines) and likewise stick to fairly regular grids for power distribution. I'll occasionally need a mk2 for something, but it's rare for me nowadays

[dim flint]

I mean I could do that lol. It's the stuff that doesn't snap that's hard. And fucking train signals always switching sides randomly.

I have like 600-700 hrs of practice myself 😉

[white dawn]

(I used to use mk2+mk3s all the time, on earlier playthroughs, though. Just a buildstyle change, of course)

[buoyant anvil]

The train signals switching sides is when you are pointing at the track before or after a seam. You're essentially pointing to the track you want to make a new block.

[hard ivy]

that's a new issue tbf. I haven't built a train since then

[dim flint]

Depends a lot of the style, yea. Sometimes I like the spoke and wheel look, sometimes I chain larger things. But if the chain is things like smelters I still use a Mk.2 and get more on each one.

[dim flint]

It's somewhat difficult when the track is really short and I think it's honestly a little buggy, but idk

[hard ivy]

it's only buggy since they added the ability to add signals in the middle of a rail. back when signals could only be placed between rail pieces, they were perfectly predictable

[buoyant anvil]

The scroll wheel will also swap the signal side. R on the other hand, swaps left-drive/right-drive mode of the signal. I've found it is imporant to be strongly on the side facing the signal you want to place.

If you try to do it top-down or beside the tracks it is reading the relative side you're on and it's very finicky.

I wouldn't call it buggy, exactly, but sensitive.

[dim flint]

It does not always work tho

[buoyant anvil]

Are you on console or PC?

[dim flint]

I'll make you a video next time I build some rails today

PC

[buoyant anvil]

Yeah, and ping me with a DM. I've been spending 12 hours a day on my save recently, and while not all of it is rail building, I've done a lot and haven't run into anything. I'd like to see the situation - maybe it would be a good add to the train bootcamp I made.

[unkempt blade]

Only 12hr days? Are you actually into satisfactory or just a casual?

[whole drum]

Sounds like someone who has to make time for an S/O

Poor pioneer 🙁

[unkempt blade]

you're supposed to get them hooked too and then you set up a conveyor to empty your shared poop bucket for you when it needs it

[dim flint]

I tried playing with a friend and he just built spaghetti for me to tear down and train that went back and forth doing basically nothing.

I'd love to play together with someone with similar goals though.

[unkempt blade]

but also the map is big enough for multiple build styles and the important thing is people have fun

[dim flint]

No fun allowed on my save. Only progress

[unkempt blade]

As someone who mostly plays MP saves I'd just normally suggest suppressing some of the opinionated style stuff and just letting people have fun. Being exposed to your stuff will usually close the gap over time

new players especially aren't normally going to want to be as sweaty about stuff

[dim flint]

That actually ruins it for me though. I tried that.

And this person wasnt new. Just had bad habits and didnt care to listen to my advice.

Every machine had storage units for IO at one point.

[hard ivy]

when I played with my friend, we just worked on 2 completely separate factories. the only rule was that each factory has containers with the items it produces all in one spot and there's a hypertube to the containers

-# I still had to come in and fix his shit sometimes XD

[whole drum]

Yeah, I've found the MP is largely either you vibe with what they do--or you don't

[dim flint]

See if we had a good delegation of labor that could have worked. But we foolishly tried to work on the same factory.

And even that fails when he clogged up the train routes.

[mortal ginkgo]

goes for all MPs. thats why I always play SP unless its a lover/friend I can yolo with.

[dim flint]

I just need to play with someone more organized. And who actually calculates ratios so the power grid is stable.

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean the worst can happen is someone who yaps about how screws are bad while HMF recipe is perfectly fine with steel screws recipe 😛

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message

where is that buzzing or whatever noise coming from 😭

[dim flint]

I mean I can play MP apex and not care because in 15 min the game ends.

[unkempt blade]

Tearing down other peoples' stuff without their agreement is the part you shouldn't be doing on a shared project. Compromise on what the "correct" way is or working on your own projects is a pretty normal part of relationships

[whole drum]

Yeah, working on the same factory only works if you coordinate what you're trying to accomplish--and division of labor is important to that

[mortal ginkgo]

this is a sandbox game where those 2 things you demand are not needed. some people just want to fool around and relax so

[scenic mirage]

cant play w sound on 😭 driving me insane fr

[unkempt blade]

yeah the map is really big there's lots of room for people to play differently

[dim flint]

Yes and my friend made no attempt to compromise for me. I talked to him many times about trying to slow down a bit and plan things. He would always say "you cant tell me how to have fun".

[silent heron]

As of now, I have claimed all the pure geothermal nodes and a lot of the normal and low quality ones all on one grid with 6 power augmenters, giving me a base power output of 3000 MW + geothermal and a 60% power output boost.

That 60% boost is applied to the geothermal plants as well, giving me a very stable 16k MW of output.

With ten power augmenters you could in theory double geothermal output, then triple it once you can upgrade the augmenters

[mortal ginkgo]

at least 4 people can yolo by starting at different zones.

but still, this is a "play with your friends" game imho, not "yolo with random". We know how fun becomes unfun with League of Legends

[dim flint]

I ended up just building a brand new factory and power station off in the rocky desert until it was clear he was done. And then I destroyed basically everything he did.

[dim flint]

That's fine. But my goals aren't that

[pastel niche]

This game frustrates me to no end. The belt issues I've always experienced with mk4 belts before 1.0 are on mk3 belts too. This is stupid. MK3 supposed to support 270 ppm I've got a miner putting out 270 ore and 9 smelters at 30 per ppm so why the hell is my last machine cutting off and on? Because math hard Coffee Stain?

[whole drum]

Just sounds like incompatible personalities (for this game)

[hard ivy]

nobody else has this problem bro
skill issue

[pastel niche]

Obviously you cant do math either

[hard ivy]

no u

[unkempt blade]

just sounds like your manifold hasn't become saturated yet

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, EVEN when you ask for "what kind of player you want to play with", some may just goof around 😛

[whole drum]

The last 2 machines won't fill up (in a manifold), but will get enough material. If the feed timing is a little out of sync, you can buffer them with 2 additional cycles of material, and this problem goes away.

[pliant prawn]

is the manifold filled? turn off the first machine, wait for the last to have a full inventory, then turn it back on. with the machines internal buffer belt should work.

[hard ivy]

it'll go away by itself

[whole drum]

Eventually, yes

[mortal ginkgo]

Manifold. Other smelters are still requesting ores that they cant smelt, aka filling up their input slot.

Math or CSS has nothing to do with this.

[dim flint]

Yep. So unless they are someone I have more experiance playing with. I don't think I'm sharing my save again.

[pastel niche]

It was but it just depleates over time

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, CSS got something to do with this: Input slots could ask for MUCH less.

[whole drum]

Either you have a connection that isn't Mk3, or one of your machines is configured wrong

[dim flint]

I've never had this issue.

[pliant prawn]

id rather inputs always accept materials, some dont unless on and it feels weird af

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message
do yall know what factory or whatever that annoying constant buzz is coming from

[dim flint]

Maybe the hoverpack? I don't have that though.

[whole drum]

Is that the hoverpack?

[scenic mirage]

i hear it when i take it off

[hard ivy]

sounds like hoverpack or drone

[whole drum]

Try descending closer to the machines and see if the volume gets more intense

[pastel niche]

I've gone over the entire thing over and over again nothing is setup wrong and I can watch the numbers tick down. The only thing that somewhat fixes it is to overclock the miner to 270.1

[scenic mirage]

its constant not coming from a specific direction

[dim flint]

Try playing with all the extensive "Sound Effects" options.

[scenic mirage]

its smth in UI volume

[green fiber]

does the miner ever back up / fill up and then shut down?

[whole drum]

Does it do it while you're standing on the ground?

[scenic mirage]

ye

[mortal ginkgo]

when you used Photo Mode and go Free Camera, sometimes a Miner's sound can be right beside you constantly. Go in Photo Mode and press Free Camera Mode again, it should go away.

I have no idea how such a bug can occur but I suspect 3 years for it to get fixed 😛

[pastel niche]

Eventually I'm sure it will. I'll probably just have to sink it when it does

[green fiber]

i mean... did it do that before or did it not?
i dont know how long it has been running for

[scenic mirage]

i just reloaded and it went away '

😭 legit felt insane

[whole drum]

🤷

[scenic mirage]

are you placing with a blueprint?

[pastel niche]

It hasn't been long enough for that to happen.

[green fiber]

so how long has that entire factory / smelting line even been running for then? 5 - 10 minutes ?

[pastel niche]

The machines and the splitters yes

[pastel niche]

15 or 20

[green fiber]

in 15 to 20 minutes a 9 machine manifold processing 270/min can not fill up enough yet to achieve 100% uptime

[nimble jungle]

i just started aluminum production, how do i get rid of waste water?

[scenic mirage]

try and remove the splitters/mergers, there might be a mk2 or smth under one of them. make sure all the clocks are nice integers, not some weird decimal

[scenic mirage]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/Pipeline_Manual.pdf?2090cd

theres a section on here

[pliant prawn]

you can loop it back into the production line, or direct it elsewher, lots of folks like to use the wet concrete recipie to waste it

[pastel niche]

Seems to be fixed now. Cant wait till mk4 belts cause I'm sure that it will show up again

[green fiber]

in most case i would have just said "you need to wait longer"

cause with manifolds thats usually how they roll.
INCREDIBLY slow startup time

[hard ivy]

It takes 15 minutes. 15:18 to be exact. At least according to greeny's calc

[nimble jungle]

does it get prioritized? or do i need to limit the incoming water from pumps

[green fiber]

considering they said "seems to be fixed now" then it does check out i guess ?

[unkempt blade]

so question for all the single player people out there - who do you challenge to Productive Packer contents to the death?

[pastel niche]

Seems fine. I've got over 1000 hours in the game I know what I'm doing I've done this 100s of times I'm not sure what the issue was this time

[pliant prawn]

it doesnt "naturally" get prioritzed sadly, but there are tricks with pipes to force it to. Limiting the incoming water can work but sometimes it freaks out. Check out Variable input junctions for pipes. I think the pipe FAQ has it

[pastel niche]

I just turned each machine off while they filled one by one then turned them back on and restarted the game

[green fiber]

yeah turning off the machines to let them all fill was probably enough

[mortal ginkgo]

But... machines turned off do not accept inputs

[green fiber]

the back 2 machines will never build up more stock than for 2 processing cycles anyway due to how manifold math works out

[green fiber]

the belt has time to build up a bit of excess and other machines fill in the meantime

if you turn off 8 out of 9 consumers then the last remaining one gets all the items

[unkempt blade]

if it's just for science you can still fill those by hand so they start full

[green fiber]

its kinda the same deal for pipes

[green fiber]

you could just shove it into coal generators.

but in general:
you can feed it back to alumina refineries, but WITHOUT merging it with freshwater.
That strategy, as much as people like to say "it works fine" is just unstable.
Not merging byproduct water with fresh water is among the safest choices

[unkempt blade]

I like wet concrete or the "pure" recipes in refineries too

[pastel niche]

Forgot to setup my output overflow 🙄

[scenic mirage]

i mean in what i do, the freshwater is 2 refineries and the recycled byproduct is 3 refineries. the water never mixes

[green fiber]

yeah and that is good

[unkempt blade]

but then where do you get all your wet concrete from?!?

[green fiber]

Non-Fissile Uranium production obviously

[hard ivy]

Except if you build like me, it's the second and third from the end are the ones that don't fill

[scenic mirage]

i actually steal it from @mortal ginkgo

[thorn rover]

bruh, i wish i had someone to play the game with, i mean, don't get me wrong, its fun to play, but after so much time of playin on your own, it gets kinda boring.

[scenic mirage]

sounds like a you problem ive never had that issue w refineries. as long as you have enough input (materials/liquids) youll be fine

[unkempt blade]

@dim flint said he needed a new best friend to play with as long as you don't clog his trains

[scenic mirage]

liquids i always feed from both sides

[dim flint]

😬

[vale eagle]

Hi friends, would someone send me a newly started save file so I can see how to play my new save?

[thorn rover]

you looking for someone to play the game with?

[scenic mirage]

you can always watch a youtube video, or just listen to what ADA says. or just explore the game for yourself, like we all did 😉

[dim flint]

So my last try at this was a big fail. But I do like the idea of learning and coming up with ideas together.

But I'm pretty deep into the sauce.

[dim flint]

First question. Do you use Modeler?

[thorn rover]

Modeler?

[dim flint]

I have basically all my plans in there in some form.

I'll post a SS.

[scenic mirage]

plans? what are those

[vale eagle]

I'm collecting save files, as if for inspiration, otherwise I know the game Satisfactory very well....I'm looking for inspiration....

[dim flint]

What separates us from the beasts.

[unkempt blade]

inspired like this? #screenshots message

[scenic mirage]

https://satisfactory.guru/gallery

[unkempt blade]

He must not have loved my art. I guess not all great artists are appreciated in their time though

[scenic mirage]

maybe the factory cart transportation system would be more appealing to him

[mortal ginkgo]

I kek at your art.

Kek.

[unkempt blade]

that's a much more appropriate form of appreciation

[glass pagoda]

Hi

[scenic mirage]

smth fishy going on

[unkempt blade]

like this? #screenshots message

[scenic mirage]

did you finish the build

[unkempt blade]

yeah that got filled in at some point

[glass pagoda]

jumpscare warning ||POWER GRID SHUT DOWN||

[real shale]

I wish I could build stuff like that

[scenic mirage]

you can tho

whats stopping you

[real shale]

The puppies and kittens

[glass pagoda]

Until I automate nobilisks ima use snowballs

They can do anything that nobilisks can do just worse

[unkempt blade]

those are just your muses telling you make something amazing

[last tartan]

how again do you design an overflow? I make too much plastic that i don't need while producing fuel.

[glass pagoda]

Also I cant wait to unlock factory carts

[white dawn]

AFAIK snowballs are functionality identical to nobelisks, aren't they?

[hard ivy]

smart splitter

[glass pagoda]

No snowballs do less damage and when exploding they have less range

[last tartan]

thats right, forgot about those. Thanks!

[glass pagoda]

I wish I could program splitters to split at a certain number for each output

[nimble jungle]

just remembered, where can i use those presents falling from the sky

[white dawn]

Huh, k. Wonder if that was a 1.0 tweak? Could've sworn they were functionally identical at some point

[glass pagoda]

In crafting stuff for ficsmis

[white dawn]

Though maybe I was just mistaken in general. :)

[glass pagoda]

Maybe last year

[hard ivy]

trust me, you don't 😆

I once modded those in and I wasted hours setting manifolds to split perfectly for no reason

[unkempt blade]

yeah I had it in my head they were just a skin basically

[scenic mirage]

thats basically load balancing, https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13-Dv3cE6I4jYDqylJV4kSw7AQqVrehET

[last tartan]

is power generation through gasoline worthwhile?

[scenic mirage]

what phase are you at

[glass pagoda]

Yeah but load balance stinky i like manifold

[hard ivy]

why do people keep calling things that aren't balancers balancers

[last tartan]

phase 2 advancing on 3.. eventually.

[scenic mirage]

then yes start building oil

[scenic mirage]

my bad i didnt mean to offend you mr balancer

[white dawn]

Each "tier" of power is noticably better than the last. Fuel gens are definitely worth building

[last tartan]

I would like to but I think I'm to keep capitalizing off of coal for now

[white dawn]

The "vanilla" Fuel recipe might feel a little underwhelming, but there are alts which make fuel power quite, er, powerful

[glass pagoda]

My turbofual plant is going to be Finnished today i hope. The two pure nodes and one normal of oil are linked up also normal fual generates 250 mw per gen so you should really use them

[heavy pine]

I like to use a single oil well to power a small number of fuel-powered generators to tide me over until I can get better recipes, such as diluted fuel.

[white dawn]

Obvs you can do whatever you like, though IMO once you have fuel power unlocked there's little reason to build more coal

Later power tiers scale a lot more easily than earlier ones

[glass pagoda]

Im using all of the gold coast resources for my turbofual power gen as im saving the blue crator for rocket fual

[last tartan]

im no doubt in a power shortage. I want to keep capitalizing off of what I like to call the "crater lake" and making motherloads of coal power

[glass pagoda]

I agree. Fual power is the first instince of power that scales with you

[last tartan]

But I uh. suck at space efficiency and resource effectiveness.

[scenic mirage]

im at 110 GW capacity and my max consumption is ~119 GW and average consumption is 70-90 GW

hopefully i get nuclear set up before i hit my limit

[glass pagoda]

It is harder to get to teir 3 via coal then fual by a lot in fact it could take a month or 2 more just to finish it then it would be with using oil

[last tartan]

hm. I'm not using the oil all along the map's western coast. Perhaps i could establish something there..

[glass pagoda]

Try watching some gaming with doc but most importantly Experiment. If you dont start managing now then you will have to later and if you experiment before then you will have more time to tweak and enhance your metheds

[last tartan]

for sure

I have no idea how to make optimal fluid setups or organize things in an orderly fashion but I have to figure it out somehow

[glass pagoda]

Well do you use manifolds?

[last tartan]

what is a manifold?

[leaden turret]

!wikisearch manifold

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[scenic mirage]

damn you and your fancy commands

[glass pagoda]

Try just watching one vid on them and you will get the basic understanding

[scenic mirage]

or even better, build w them!

[glass pagoda]

This is how you rake the step from spaghetti to somewhat organized

[last tartan]

I just struggle with flow of liquid

[glass pagoda]

Im just saying to look at a vid to understand what it is

[last tartan]

mechanics for them are iffy, I recall trying to pump water to coal plants sucking

[glass pagoda]

That's because coal plants kind of suck

[green fiber]

long pipelines suck

keep em short, move coal to water instead

[glass pagoda]

If you connect them with other pipes they don't sometimes

[green fiber]

how is that supposed to make them better

[glass pagoda]

They get full faster

[green fiber]

but the other pipe meanwhile gets drained.
very counterproductive

[last tartan]

I also think my lack of infrastructure is caused by how much i've been dillydallying with trains

[glass pagoda]

Yeah that's true. I'm making a mega turbofual power plant and im overclocking all nodes of oil

[green fiber]

also, very impractical.
if you lay a giant 1000m pipe, how would you get another pipe there to fill it faster?
you would need to fill THAT pipe too

[glass pagoda]

Well long pipes are alr just very long are not

[scenic mirage]

but once that pipe is full, full pipes are happy pipes right?

it just takes a while for it to be a happy pipe

[glass pagoda]

Yes I talked to them

[leaden turret]

@void gorge today I finally regretted making that meme template #satisfactory-memes message

[last tartan]

what if

I built my entire factory

off of geothermal power

good smarts!

[leaden turret]

small factory

[last tartan]

Im going to screenshot what I do have going for power

give you guys an idea on how I can't build

[white dawn]

One of these days I'll follow through on my plan to hook up all the geothermal on the map in a separate grid and use that to power trains+tubes

[lost oasis]

so guys i connected my train tracks to 2stations and it says its unreachable even though it is, Is it because my rails are crossing?

[last tartan]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1451986080722063533

[magic yoke]

Hello i have a interessting question/problem
i got a duo wolrd with my firend (i have to world and i did host everything, so the world and all the saves of it are stored on my PC) and i want to start a solo with this progress.
What i mean is i want to copy the world just how it is and play on a "copy of it" but completely seperat

2 separate world with exact the same progress and buildings -> stored in 2 world files/folders

[last tartan]

I had a similar issue I think if you don't have an adequate loop it doesn't let you

[lost oasis]

im just stupid i know whats the issue

[magic yoke]

#screenshots shown of me in this channel if my english is a bit to messy

[lost oasis]

Yeah i gotta move the tracks a little they keep colliding

[rocky scarab]

if you open up the .sav in notepad and change the session name, does that work?

[leaden arch]

I was driving a train honking the horn as you do and one time in the string of horns I got a whistle. Is this a rare easter egg? Happen to anyone else?

[quick girder]

is there a way to allow elevators to be longer?