satisfactory

[hard ivy]

They look more like bolts than anything

[brazen cove]

so i just make a mini factory of for example screws for each machine that needs them?

[silk ocean]

Yea

[whole drum]

Let me show you a diagram
https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1451217861052727409

In this example, you only can get away with merging them because the required amount needed to feed the machines is less than belt capacity.

Otherwise, you just build the machines directly for the ones they feed, like the rods are.

[brazen cove]

and is it nessasary to place mk2 belts?

[whole drum]

Depends on the output of the machines

[feral jay]

Just use your highest capacity belts everywhere, unless you have a reason not to

[whole drum]

The highest belts you have automated*

[brazen cove]

but if i need 470 raw iron per min, i should use mk3 right?

[feral jay]

Yea fair point

[hard ivy]

I wouldn't say "should". This is just one way of dealing with them, and it's not a bad one.

But there are others, and depending on your style, they may or may not make more sense to use.

Inside my factories, each item is produced in one spot and then distributed to where it's needed, no matter how much or how little is needed. It allows me to build the factory in chunks, one for each item, which makes math and planning easy. It does mean I had 20 full mk5 belts of quickwire in one spot, but that was exactly what I wanted

[hard ivy]

470 would need a mk4+

[whole drum]

Yeah, for sure. The diagram even highlights flexibility on this point.

[brazen cove]

i have 2 raw iron nodes

[zealous urchin]

20 full belts mk5 of quirkwire is trippy

[remote brook]

i stg im going insane i have 8 somersloops in depot and 15 in machines and i have 3 augmenters which makes 53 in total but SCIM says i collected 56 somersloops any ideas or did i just trash them accidentally

[whole drum]

Misplaced, more likely

[feral jay]

Unless you flushed them down the toilet, no. They're not sinkable

[whole drum]

Have you played any multiplayer?

[hard ivy]

It's even more trippy, because it was 20 balanced mk5 belts of quickwire

[silk ocean]

What monster would flush sloops down the toilet xD

[hard ivy]

One who wants to hear all of ADA's dialogue (I think she has a special line for flushing an artifact?)

[whole drum]

Someone who wants to double the "output" on the other side

[remote brook]

can you drag them in trash slot?

[feral jay]

Does SCIM have a "find resource" feature, to look for things like misplaced sloops and spheres?

[feral jay]

Oh yeah I forgot about that

[hard ivy]

You can check if they're in storage containers or not

[remote brook]

you can check building list

[silk ocean]

I guess I could spare one lawl... maybe not xD

[zealous urchin]

u mean u load balanced them into machines they were supposed to go or what

[hard ivy]

Just do it in a creative save

[silk ocean]

Could do a savescum on it

or that yea

[remote brook]

this is unplayable ima cheat in 3 sloops

[hard ivy]

No, balanced belts. With a 20:20 belt balancer

[wintry carbon]

it would be very usefull if we could name the color schemes we have. its anoying you need to remember as if you change it it will will change everything on everywhere where you use the color scheme. <@&370483737957236737>

[feral jay]

That'll tell you if they're in a machine somehwere, but if you left them in a container it won't

[zealous urchin]

item dupe

[silk ocean]

Don't do eeeetttttt

[whole drum]

What about an unrecovered body somewhere?

Not sure what death settings you use

[hard ivy]

That should be a QA site post, not a discord message

[whole drum]

Don't you use a couple for MAM research too?

[feral jay]

Well it could be many things, it's just the question someone asked got me thinking if there's a tool somewhere that will help you locate things like that

[hard ivy]

Yeah, 3 😆

[spark sky]

I'd like more custom color schemes so I don't have to keep loading colors into the same custom color scheme when changing from one part of something to another.

[feral jay]

lol the only thing I use the customizer for is colour coding pipes

[zealous urchin]

imma be honest idk what this realy means

[feral jay]

Pretty much everything else is Ficsit orange or foundation grey or concrete

[wintry carbon]

that too but being able to name them would be a big help.

[spark sky]

I built a power plant with power storage in it and fuel production, I colored each section a different color scheme.

[remote brook]

where do you search for items in storage containers in scim

[spark sky]

Well, that and being able to save a color scheme, not just individual colors.

[feral jay]

I'm just wondering the same thing now, I don't think it has that feature

You can search for dropped items but not I think stored items

[remote brook]

found it but i only can see in a list all stored

[feral jay]

Where'd you find it?

Oh, stored parts?

[remote brook]

click stats then stored parts ye

[feral jay]

Yeah that won't help you actually locate them

[remote brook]

atleast tells you a little

[silk ocean]

I can't help but find things are better with fog turned off

[feral jay]

Yep I have 1.8 million ficsmas gifts stockpiled as of now

[wintry carbon]

yeah, finally got 600.000mw of power, is that enough for endgame?

[remote brook]

do they disappear after event

[silk ocean]

By an order of magnitude

[feral jay]

No, the trees stop producing and the recipes are no longer selectable, but you keep your gifts, and any machine already set to a ficsmas recipe stays that way

[silk ocean]

endgame as in complete the game, or as in continue expanding, in which case the sky's the limit

[feral jay]

Unless they changed something this year

[wintry carbon]

prob need to build nuclear too i quess 😂

[silk ocean]

Worth it for the build, it's a bit of a rabbithole though xD

[whole drum]

Sounds like it's probably the culprit

[feral jay]

Nuclear really isn't necessary but it's a nice challenge to build it

[wintry carbon]

love rabbitholes

[silk ocean]

I seem to fall down a lot of them on YouTube xD

[remote brook]

the advent calender has two 18s one above 16 but doesnt work that looks so much like an 18

[hard ivy]

*tsk tsk tsk* whenever someone mentions a balancer everyone here always hears "load balancer" when that's the least useful type of balancer

This: https://i.imgur.com/WaXLR8u.jpeg is a belt balancer (the 20:20 in question) and it's basically a manifold for manifolds. You plug in 20 belts in, you get 20 belts out. But they all can be whatever the hell you want; the balancer will automatically distribute the items among them correctly

Though, tbf, even belt balancers have become a lot less useful since I invented belt mixers. Most of the benefits of a balancer, but none of the complexity and a much smaller size (usually). The only disadvantage of mixers is that they can't really be used for trains, which is the only use where a balancer is the best solution

[feral jay]

Yes this is the kind of balancer I build

Well yours is way more complex than anything I've built

I use balancers like that as a way of making multiple belts into a single logical belt

[remote brook]

does editing save file with scim disable achievemenmts

[feral jay]

No

[remote brook]

does it leave a watermark

[hard ivy]

Exactly the use of a balancer, at least in a factory. Trains need the equal split as well, factories - not really.

[hard ivy]

In the save file name but you can easily rename it so basically not

[feral jay]

So I can run five mk.6 belts of whatever, put a 5x5 balancer on each end of them, and then for all intents and purposes I have a single belt that carries 7.2k items/min

But for feeding machines? Nah, manifolds are where it's at, with the possible exception of nuclear power

[zealous urchin]

before i say anything what is a belt mixer

[zealous urchin]

wdym 7.2k items/m belt

[hard ivy]

Doing this with completely full belts is kinda useless lol

Sure, you do have 5x the capacity but actually filling all the bets makes the balancer useless. They're full regardless

[feral jay]

THey're not necessarily completely full, the point is I no longer need to consider each belt individually and where it goes, but rather the collection of belts as a whole

[round crown]

is splitting oil pipelines gonna cause flow issues? or should i eacg oil line be a single line with 600m3?

[feral jay]

Run five Mk.6 belts, put a 5x5 balancer on each end of them, and you can treat those five physical belts as a single logical belt

[hard ivy]

This fuckin thing #math-and-meta message

It's to a manifold what a belt balancer is to a load balancer

[remote brook]

what does deleting a blueprint do why cant you just go back a save to get it back??

[round crown]

are you talking abt deleting the placed blueprint or the blueprint itself

[remote brook]

in blueprint tab

[hard ivy]

Blueprints are not saved in a save file. They're a separate file. Deleting the blueprint... deletes the blueprint file

[round crown]

that would be to get rid of blueprints you don't want?

[remote brook]

yes ok thank you

[zealous urchin]

okay i get what load balancer is but what is belt mixer trying to achieve differently

[hard ivy]

Load balancer has one input (and so does a manifold) (or multiple inputs and one output). A belt balancer and a belt mixer have however many you need/want. And they all can take a full belt on each input and output

They're for managing multiple belts that can't be compressed into one

[real shale]

🍣

[zealous urchin]

okayvyea u take different and varying inputs from different belts to distribute them evenly

[hard ivy]

Not necessarily evenly

[zealous urchin]

but how is load balancer different from mixer

[hard ivy]

🤦

The number of belts they can handle

Load balancer does one, mixer does multiple

Plus a load balancer has equal output (/input) priority, a mixer doesn't (it has manifold priority - 1, 1, 2, 4, 8 ...)

[zealous urchin]

omg wait

i meant belt balancer from belt mixer xD

sorry i got kinda lost in those

[short root]

So we have manifold, balancer, and mixer, but the last one is a building.
Ah mixer is German for blender. Now I got my confusion.

[hard ivy]

A belt balancer is made from load balancers, a belt mixer is made from manifolds

So the main functional difference is default input (output) ratios.

A properly built belt balancer outputs to each belt equally if they're empty and takes from each input equally if they're full

A mixer has manifold priority (since it's made out of them) so the first output gets half the input, the second a quarter, the third an eighth and so on. Same deal with the inputs

It obviously balances out like a regular manifold does once the machines are full, so for putting inside a factory, both are eventually the same

But for filling a train efficiently, you need belts that are always equal, so a mixer won't work but a balancer will

[zealous urchin]

okay yea this makes sense now

[feral jay]

Actually I'd argue that a properly built balancer outputs equally to all belts regardless of what it takes from input belts, it takes whatever material is on the belt, so might not take from all belts equally

[zealous urchin]

[silk ocean]

The main benefit I can see for balancers is indeed train loading

[hard ivy]

Oh, and there's another more practical difference. It's much easier to put priority splitters/mergers in one and thus achieve a multi-belt priority splitter/merger

[feral jay]

I use them a lot for multiple belts of stuff, say from a mine where I produce ingots to a factory where I use those ingots, but I'm using more than a full belt's worth; a balancer allows me to just chuck more miners/smlters on one end and more machines on the other, and not worry about where the belts from the ingot production to the factory actually go

[zealous urchin]

i was about to question the utility of all this but now i get it and yea i see it, variable inputs, different priorities

[feral jay]

And yeah train loading is another great use case for balancers

[silk ocean]

Useful for backhauling stuff too yea, makes sense

[hard ivy]

Yes, in a proper balancer outputs are equal regardless of inputs, but you can't maintain equal outputs when one output gets full

Which is why I said "equal outputs if outputs are empty and equal inputs if inputs are full

If you disconnect one belt, 0 items will be moving in/out of it. You don't expect the entire balancer to stop entirely just to make sure all inputs and outputs are equal

[feral jay]

Train loading especially where having empty train cars can screw with the loading/unloading automation

[feral jay]

Yep we're on the same page

[brazen coral]

What does nuclear power often get paired with? Because it can either go through the manufacturer or the blender with a byproduct of the sulfuric acid

In or I mean what does it pair with during production?

[remote brook]

the pioneer jiggling the boombox around when flying with hoverpack

[spice patio]

If you check, at least some of those sulfuric acids are meant to be closed loops.

Where earlier stage needs the amount that later stage outputs as byproduct.

[gritty zealot]

Who's up factorising rn??

Or who's factorising tn

[native frost]

Type shii

[gritty zealot]

Type shit

[native frost]

Hell yeah i be factorising it up

[south sinew]

21 = 3x7

[native frost]

Collecting reasource nodes

[real shale]

What else y'all thinks gonna be added in 1.2 besides the fluid trucks and the fluid rework

[native frost]

Whats 9+10

[south sinew]

don't know don't care, that's not a factorisation question

[native frost]

I think more buildables relating to the mid/early game

[real shale]

They did show the oil extractor and water extractor in the teaser alongside the fluid trucks so I am interested if that had any meaning

I also wonder if they are gonna tweak the capacitities of fluid freight cars

[native frost]

Ummmm interesting

[whole drum]

I doubt it, but wouldn't mind

[native frost]

I hope but im also just gonna use fluid frieghts anyway beacause i like them

[real shale]

Yeah, because iirc in terms of throughout you are better off with packaging right now aren't you?

[hard ivy]

Depends how you set it up

[real shale]

I see, would be interesting either way if they increase the fluid freight car capacity to some extent

They did say in the devsteeam recently that this update will be more gameplay focused than QoL, so I'm intrigued to hear more about it in the follow-up to the actual release if anything

[spark plover]

how is everyone doing

[real shale]

good

[whole drum]

They are "fixing" pipes, so that should be interesting

[short root]

No they said they "fixed fluids... kinda"

[whole drum]

True

Kinda is Latin for "not really"

[short root]

I have the same hope as you, but reality is often disappointing...

[real shale]

tbf, fluid flow is a tricky thing to work with in games

[short root]

True.

[whole drum]

I don't honestly have a problem with how flow works in the game, but if they are fixing the way pipe connections work so they don't get randomly broken for no reason, I'll 100% take that as a win

[real shale]

I don't mind how flow works either but diagnostics can be a headache if you don't know what you are doing

The classic "my grid has collapsed because my fuel pipes just decided to stop working.....but why?"

[whole drum]

"Yes"

[real shale]

i always imagine that scene from big bang theory for those moments where sheldon is looking at the paper going "Uh why....yeah WHY..... oh thats why"

[shy mulch]

I've never had any pipes stop working for "no reason", it's always been identifiable as a problem of my own making that I was able to permanently fix with some attention to detail

[whole drum]

I wish I could say the same. Sometimes it's just a pipe connection that failed to establish correctly, but I had no way to know until I tried turning it on.

You learn to cope though. Like if you edit a section of piping, you redo the actual flow pipes.

[short root]

I wrote that some days ago but with less detail: I imagine the fluids work as follows: A pipe fills from bottom to top and the fuller it gets compared to adjacent pipes, the more pressure it puts with some sort of time-dependent dampering factor to the neighboring pipes. And this way, the pipes fill subsequently. When a pipe is filled, the water doesnt actually move but simply fills the pipe capacity from bottom to top, and the higher it is filled, the stronger it pushes its content to neighboring pipes, while lower pipes have a much higher priority than higher pipes and less full pipes also have a much higher priority than full pipes. Eventually, all pipes on the same height balance out, or are filled subsequently. Gases simply lack the headlift, but use the same method, only that they visually don't fill from bottom to top, but become "denser". Pumps and valve subdivide the pipe network, for every subdivided network, a different headlift exists, which depends on the pump or the predecessing subnetwork in case of valves. This is how I imagine the pipes work and it explains for me everything. Sloshing, water towers, VIPs, VOPs, and such.
So each pipe segment is a number how full it is and formulas decide each tick of the game how much of the fill is distributed to neighboring pipe segments.
No real fluid dynamics, as can be seen, much much simpler, but very effective, also explains why floating point issues are a thing, and so on. Of course, I don't know the details and there are certainly quirks implemented for stuff to work, but the general system how I imagine it explains to me a lot on why things work how they do. If I imagine it correctly.

[whole drum]

Yeah, I figure they use some equation involving inequalities, ratios, and thresholds to determine flow, which explains why full pipes work best--since several variables are set to some version of x/y=1.

Buffers are a good example

I think mechanically that buffers just act as high capacity, taller pipes--which explains their weird behavior in relation to normal pipes

[short root]

Exactly, full pipes distribute the incoming quantity immediately to the next segment, and so on, until the sink is reached. And with the sink pulling the quantity instantaneously, it becomes possible that the capacity flucuates slightly, which leads to the sloshing that runs back through the system to the source and limits the total throughput of the 600m³/min, unless you loop the pipe for example, so that the "sloshing" or "equation distribution" does not run in one direction only and can balanced out eventually. Or when you don't operate at 600 or the network is short so that it stays within the floating point inaccuracies, or you have luck that pulling and pushing the fluid is equal. Many circumstances that can have an influence.
And it also explains why larger pipes, aka Mk.3 are more problematic, because the distance between zero and for example 1200 becomes larger, and so the floating point inaccuracies become stronger when the quantities are "moved" between the pipe segments.
I think the same about buffers as you, explains everything. They are larger than pipes, and the fuller they are, the more pressure they put to neighboring pipes, including a headlift that is determined from the buffer size and fill level. That is how I imagine it.

It's so clever to think about it. I mean the system how its modeled. If I am correct.

[whole drum]

I don't think the sloshing is merely that quantity gets removed from a segment of the system, because the system behind it would be fuller and immediately just dump some in to balance it. There's a behavior around inequality and ratios that produces that effect, and the ratio relates to the fullness of a pipe--so if the pipe is completely full, there isn't a ratio to work with, it's just a value of 1 (or maybe 0).

If the ratio is as simple as "% of pipe empty" vs "% of pipe full," then a full pipe yields 0/1 = 0

So no sloshing

[short root]

This is where the "time-dependent dampering factor" comes into play. I think this is some sort of variable that makes the fluid look like "moving", i.e., a momentum of the quantity. When these momentums don't add up in different adjacent pipe segments, sloshing of the quantities occurs. Hard to explain how I imagine it...

[whole drum]

Yes--momentum. That's the right way to look at it.

[ivory condor]

Wish that was true but in my experience even full mk2 pipe manifolds have such issues, even starting with full pipes doesn't do much to fix the throughput issues, aka even starting full mk2 manifold pipes, getting full 600m3 out of that system in my testing has been impossible, which of things like sloshing, etc.

[whole drum]

It would be really hard to parse out why without seeing your setup

[ivory condor]

So while one might expect the quantity to be distrubuted to the next segment immediately with full mk2 pipes, in my experience that basically doesnt actually happening, because of backflow that occurs with pipes as well, aka sloshing

[short root]

The evil thing about floating point inaccuracies is that they can be different depending on the underlying hardware, i.e., CPU. On one system, the issue is less apparent than on another system. This is very difficult to tackle down and nearly impossible to guarantee on every system. So what works on one computer may not work as reliable on another machine. Moreover, the game tick time plays a role, the more often the values can be updated, i.e., framerate dependent, the faster the system can balance out inequalities.

[ivory condor]

Also why its recommended to loop mk2 manifold, as its a community workaround for things like sloshing, thats about the only way I found to actually get 600m3 out of a mk2 manifold

[whole drum]

I think the momentum is created by the inequality between adjacent pipes. I don't know the exact formula or numbers, but imagine something like Pipe A has 120 in it while Pipe B had 120, but just lost 40 to a machine, so now has 80. This difference of -40 means that it is going to overcompensate (probably as a function of time, meaning the greater the difference, the deeper the sloshing) and yield +60 for a moment in Pipe B, then it has to resolve this new difference of +20, so it "sloshes" back 10 to Pipe A, repeat--then add in the other input/draw of the system as a whole.

[short root]

Yes, that's the "momentum" I meant above, as long as the momentum stays the same, it should work, but the sink pulls the fluid from the internal buffer "instantaneously" in each production cycle. Then it fills, but with momentum, and this goes back through the pipe network because in this moment, when the internal buffer is refilled, the preceding pipe starts to transfer quanity, which brings the preceding pipe to do the same, and so on, which changes the momentum values in all pipes. This design that the fluid is not pulled constantly but immediately in a production cycle is what creates the sloshing issue when at full pipe capacity.

[ivory condor]

Its pretty common with mk2 pipe manifolds, happens in my setups and many other setups I have seen other players design as well, only ever fix is looping both ends of the manifold, otherwise you have alot of throughput issues in general

[short root]

Yes this explains quite good how I imagine it as well!

[unkempt blade]

holy series of text walls batman!

[short root]

With looping the pipes, the system has means to rebalance instead of backtracking the quantity changes to the source, so the source can continue to put the fluid in the desired amount into the pipe network while the loop in the pipe network allows to let the momentum or quantity inequalities vanish eventually (in the loop).

[short root]

I see a "did not read meme"

[whole drum]

It's going to keep the Factorio kids on their side of the border

[short root]

I have never played Factorio, only Satisfactory.

[unkempt blade]

Yeah but why would anyone read? This is discord

[whole drum]

tl:dr;
If you understand it in terms of inequality, ratios, and momentum, you understand why full pipes work best and can intuitively troubleshoot flow issues

[short root]

I just had fun to explain my thesis and GilgaMocha was so nice to agree and discuss with me

[whole drum]

You don't even have to know the actual math--just the concepts

[short root]

This. I rarely have pipe issues, except when I did a mistake, but I always seem to understand why and how my pipes work.

[short root]

It's a peaceful pipe-life.

[vale quail]

Is there such thing as half walls like we have half foundations in game

[whole drum]

Not really

[ivory condor]

While I don't understand all of this myself. I do know looping manifolds is one sure way I have found to get 600m3 out of such a system, but I imagine it works because it allows the system to better rebalance itself, instead of backtracking and having two pathways out of the system, essentially working around the sloshing to allow all of the fluid to exit the system, whereas if you didnt loop it, essentially you would have to try to deal with the sloshing to try to get 600m3 but I never found a real solution to that problem so i gave up and just go with the standard looping of the ends to work around it.

[vale quail]

I figured

[short root]

This is exactly what I meant above, the loop allows the system to balance itself within the loop rather than having to carry the imbalance around until it reaches the source of the fluid, i.e., the pump.

And as such, the source can continue to deliver with max capacity because the imbalances move around in the loop until they vanish.
And this means that there is enough fluid in the system.

[silk ocean]

I've personally never found that looping has really achieved anything, then again I don't have any plumbing problems in general. Have tried looping for science but decided it was a waste of time xD

[short root]

Depends on many factors whether it's needed. I also rarely need it, only when you operate at full Mk.2 capacity it can resolve issues to maintain the throughput.

[silk ocean]

I have quite a few setups that run at 600 and they all seem fine as far as I'm aware

[whole drum]

The loop doubles the pressure on the inequality, reducing sloshing behavior by about half, but this has a multiplied effect across the system since each connected sequential piece is halved yet again.

[short root]

You can read my textwalls above if you are interested in my theses around that topic.

[silk ocean]

I will do shortly, I did notice some wall of text xD

[short root]

It starts here: #satisfactory message

[silk ocean]

Ta

[short root]

Now we have a loop.

Until we meet again!

[gritty zealot]

do you be listening to MASSAGE-2(AB) b?

[whole drum]

This thumbnail asks an intriguing question:
If photons have no mass, how do black holes entrap them?

I think when you understand that gravity isn't a "force," but a bending of space-time, the answer makes a lot more sense.

[ivory condor]

general relativity right

I never really understood how space actually can bend or what is being bent because space isnt really a physical thing, a vacuum for instance really has nothing in it

[whole drum]

Space is a set of locational coordinates

Space-time is when you add time as one of those coordinates

[white dawn]

Space is the thing in which the lack of stuff in a vacuum exists. :D

[ivory condor]

it all sounds like we have thrown together our ideas to try to understand the universe in a way we can understand

[whole drum]

I'm not sure I have seen a clear answer as to why gravity exists--but we have good ideas of how it works

[peak plank]

Starting my first massive project, 50 crystal computers per minute 🫡

[ivory condor]

not really, by our own good idea, galaxies should spin apart with how much visible matter there is, going by our math, which shows our math clearly has to be wrong

[pliant prawn]

I've been thinking it would be really fun to have Shipping in the game. Like a big buildable cargo port and cargo ship. would be cool for like linking the north all the way around to the west grass lands.

[white dawn]

More seriously, though: yes, some of this stuff doesn't really make sense to our primitive ape brains and we've got to kind of hand-wave it a bit. "Understanding" how spacetime can get deformed isn't something anyone's especially apt at, any more than we can actually picture any other higher-dimensional objects, etc. In the end, it's not that we've "thrown together our ideas" or whatever, it's that the math implies certain things about the universe, and as we're able to, we've been able to test those hypotheses versus real-life observations and stuff

In a sense, yeah, we're just "throwing together our ideas" (if you up the rigor on that phrase quite a bit, you're describing scientific theories, in fact), but it's not just made up. The math tells us what things should exist, and experimentation/observation can help prove/deny those things

[leaden turret]

drone is sky ship
train/truck/tractor/factory cart is land ship

[ivory condor]

aka im not sure how much i trust our ideas of how gravity works, because once you get up to galactic scales, all of our math basically falls apart

[pliant prawn]

but boat is boat. Boat is cool

[ivory condor]

aka all of our ideas are being held together by a kettle and some string at this point

[leaden turret]

build your own boat https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q=boat

[whole drum]

I'm not sure what you mean, because galaxies are a massive collection of... well, mass, so they distort space-time around them, which is why they stay cohesive.

Mass and energy, actually*

[leaden turret]

hard science is #off-topic-general

this is satisfactory, physics is optional

[formal minnow]

me when i third wheel ada and an omnipresent alien consciousness

[pliant prawn]

those dont move, and dont have big horns that go BWOOOOOONNNNNnnnnnn, and don't carry goods?

[leaden turret]

run train tracks in water, problem solved

[ivory condor]

Basically galaxies do not have enough visible mass to hold together, aka they should by all accounts based on our understanding of gravity and the math, should basically spin apart, but that doesnt happen

[pliant prawn]

thats not a boat. Marv, why are you always against new fun stuff? I'm curious

[leaden turret]

would rather boats come with a sequel than be added in as an afterthought to the current map

[ivory condor]

And then the scientists had to come up with another fun idea aka dark matter to try to explain why galaxies dont spin apart, oh look its more magic ideas to try to make the science work

[leaden turret]

get you some canal boats

[pliant prawn]

why not DLC? Maybe even incorporate it too a second small island or something

[whole drum]

Or... when the theory is clearly missing something, you take a guess as to what that might be and you try to prove/disprove it.

[pliant prawn]

Canal boats would be CUTE!

[leaden turret]

because the current map took over half a decade to make and it would be unsatisfying if you can only use boats to go around the continent and not through the continent

CSS is 20-30% Dutch, they should be quite familiar with canal boats

[ivory condor]

It sure is fun they came up with a idea that is basically saying, god is here because you cant prove or disprove these ideas, i sure like how science is being held together by basically magic at this point

[whole drum]

There is evidence for dark matter and dark energy, though. There's a wild difference.

[ivory condor]

But its clearly something is definitely missing from the models, or there is some extra mass with the galaxies we simply cant see for whatever reason

[pliant prawn]

hence why I said small* island and DLC. I figure this would be years out regardless. Not everything needs a general purpose must be aplicable everywhere. Creative routes and planning them are some of the best part about the game. Big boats would be a fun option.

[leaden turret]

see also "unsatisfying"

[whole drum]

It took that long because they had to start from the ground up. A new map could be done in mere months.

[leaden turret]

go make one then

[whole drum]

Nice fallacy

[leaden turret]

shining a light on your own; what makes you think a new map would take any less amount of time?

[pliant prawn]

why are you even here lol? Is there anything fun and creative about the game that you even like?

[ivory condor]

dark energy is definitely a very fascinating case, but what evidence do we have of dark matter, sure we know galaxies should spin apart with the visible mass we can only see, but is this dark matter really just us making a observation that galaxies might have more mass than we are able to observe, suppose that could be evidence of something we cant see definitely hmmm

[whole drum]

Because they don't have to build all the tools, design the game systems, bug fix every new feature, etc. It isn't like those 5 years were only building the map.

[leaden turret]

do you have anything better to say in response to losing an argument than "why are you here?"?

[leaden turret]

the world design team made the map, not the whole company

[peak plank]

How do people make Refineries more aesthetic? I dont wanna just slap them in a super tall building

[whole drum]

It was all made in tandem. They have the hard part out of the way and now have the tools/assets to do it faster.

[pliant prawn]

You will need to prove that having creative problem solving in route planning logistics is objectively "unsatisfying". If thats the argument you thought you were winning lmao

[leaden turret]

I still think you'd be on the order of years not months to make a new, non-shitty map- especially if one is building it with new features in mind.

[whole drum]

I just don't think so.

[ivory condor]

ue5 also has world generation tools, which is really interesting also

[whole drum]

3-6 months seems very reasonable

[leaden turret]

who said it was objectively unsatisfying?

[unkempt blade]

decorate stuff around the refineries too #screenshots message

[leaden turret]

https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q=("oil+plant"+OR+refinery)+AND+architecture

[white dawn]

Heh, hard disagree there. Not for something that meets the rest of the game's standards, at least. I'm with SignpostMarv about years for that.

The map is as good as it is because it's had so much time to iterate and refine

[pliant prawn]

then explain what you meant by "see also "unsatisfying"" cuz thats where you lost me

[white dawn]

Plus if you've got new maps you've gotta worry about resource + progression rebalancing, etc.

[leaden turret]

"I would also find that unsatisfying", not really anything that in-depth

[ivory condor]

alot of the tools now days is incorporating more ai and procedural generation tools, to make building larger scale worlds faster than ever before, alot o these ue5 tools im seeing coming out of the pipeline are really interesting and will allow teams even of smaller size to build large worlds in a fraction of the time of the past

[white dawn]

Anyway, we'll see what they've got planned for the far future eventually. :D

[whole drum]

Again, they did all the hard legwork on figuring out how that should work already

[unkempt blade]

get a team together, make a mod for the new map, and start a patreon to cash in 😆

[ivory condor]

which I think is the point of making these tools in the first place, overall its really interesting to see these tools develop, especially the world generation tools that are being worked on for ue5

[white dawn]

Nah, they've specifically said they do not want to rebalance resources + progression again, which they'd have to do if any more nodes/resources/tiers/milestones/etc were added

[whole drum]

I don't have the tools/experience they do--this is ad hominem's ugly cousin

[white dawn]

They did do that hard legwork, leading up to 1.0, and said that that was essentially the final pass they wanted to do

I agree that CSS have sometimes changed their minds about stuff, but I wouldn't expect any hypothetical "new map" stuff until, like, a Satisfactory 2 or whatever

[ivory condor]

Well to be fair they only figured that out for the current map, they would need to figure that out for a new map to

[whole drum]

Pretty sure that was in relation to the map we have

[unkempt blade]

yeah but it'll only take 6 months max so just factor in another couple weeks to learn how

[pliant prawn]

got it so your only problem is that you personally would not like new features and options. Got it. Cool story bro lol.

[leaden turret]

if you don't have the tools/experience they do I'm going to assume any timespan you come up with is being pulled from [redacted]

[whole drum]

I'm not expecting it at all--I'm just saying it seems realistic that they could do it much faster than the first time

[leaden turret]

also not what I said.

[shrewd igloo]

do i have to connect my water extractors to each indivdual coal plant

[whole drum]

This is an invalid line of argumentation. I won't indulge it further.

[white dawn]

And I still disagree with that statement. They're a small team, and they put a lot of care into the current map. They're not gonna just plop one out in 3-6 months and have it be nearly the same quality as our current map. And the balance of how that map affects the current one is something they'd also have to take into consideration

[leaden turret]

no, you can manifold pipes together, although there is a max capacity.

[unkempt blade]

After you're done here could you come tell the product owner I work with too?

[shrewd igloo]

i have 8 connected to 3 with pipes connected to all plants

[leaden turret]

farts out a flat map with a circular lake and one resource node of each around the edges

[white dawn]

Anyway, a bit academic anyway, so I'll desist. :D IMO "3-6 months" is wildly optimistic for such a project, though. :)

[whole drum]

Why? They wouldn't need to be connected or interactable. You just choose a map to play.

[white dawn]

The current map took them literally 8 years

[whole drum]

Marv said 5

So we don't even really know, I guess

[ivory condor]

You mean if that map is part of the same world as we are, and essentially we have two maps in the same world space, yeah thats going to really throw off all o the current map balancing, which why I dont think it will happen

[leaden turret]

and broke several times, usually with an engine upgrade

[pliant prawn]

logically concluded from your response. I offered a new option idea, you say you don't want it. Your stance is new option is unsatisfying. Unless there's more you want to add.

[whole drum]

But again, that was with a lot else going on that influenced the time required

[red sun]

i think now that they have a stable game a new map could be built quicker, but it would still take a considerable amount of time

[white dawn]

Anyway, for all we know they've already carved out a section of the company and are working on a future hypothetical new map. Who knows? :D Time will tell.

[ivory condor]

they put in alot of work to balance everything around the current map, having a second map with more resources, etc would essentially through out all of the resource and progression balance work that was done with the current map in mind, so i really just dont see it being a good idea

[leaden turret]

I don't really want to engage in conversation with people who make things up based on what they think I mean rather than based on what I say 🤷‍♂️

[unkempt blade]

That's why I'm confident you can learn how to make maps and deliver one within 7 months. You're amazing and talented and I believe in you

[leaden turret]

1.3, new map is golf course

[whole drum]

As I said--I'm not expecting it one way or the other. I just don't believe it should take anywhere close to as long since the hard parts are all out of the way now.

[pliant prawn]

and I'm here politely asking for expansion to better understand. Equally I don't want to engage with people who cant explain their position coherently. 🤷‍♂️

[sullen gull]

Wasn't it already stated that a new map was "unlikely" in one of the streams?

[red sun]

this map was built for a constantly changing game. now that the gameplay is pretty much finalised there's a certain purpose for a new map to serve, so i agree it would be faster.
that's not to say it'll be quick though, 3-6 months is incredibly optimistic

i'd say 18 months at a minimum

[white dawn]

Oh yeah, many times. :)

[leaden turret]

• map is handcrafted, took time to handcraft and balance
• "but ai tools and procgen" CSS don't like those
• "but improved worldgen tools" starting from scratch learning a new tool takes zero time, suuuuuuuure

[white dawn]

But a hypothetical future "Satisfactory 2" or maybe a big DLC could maybe end up being an exception. Guess we'll find out. :)

[whole drum]

If they were going to try to build an algorithm for procedural generation, I could see that taking an additional 5 years, lol

[sour ledge]

Me, in phase two: A what used in what????

#screenshots message

[unkempt blade]

That was in a pre-LLM world though. Now we could deliver a new map every 17 minutes as long as no one cares if it looks good or works as expected or raises RAM prices further

[pliant prawn]

Hannah has stated mutiple times that the initial pass of the map used a lot of proc gen to get a rough cut, its just hand edited after that. Just so everyone is clear. Shes given some great insight on it

[gritty zealot]

this is the most sophisticated discord channel ive ever been in

[red sun]

if this is sophisticated i dread to think what other servers you're in

[gritty zealot]

dont worry about it

[leaden turret]

[Citation needed]

[unkempt blade]

I agree, we're all incredible, serious geniuses who definitely know what we're talking about

[leaden turret]

better to XKCD-386 about satisfactory than to XKCD-386 about unrelated science & philosophy 😛

[gritty zealot]

doesn't matter what you say is right, as long as others believe it

do i get to keep my christmas hat post christmas?

[unkempt blade]

That's why I can confidently say I'll have a new map ready in 17 minutes. Sit tight and get your DLC wallets ready

[leaden turret]

console QA failure, back to drawing board

[whole drum]

Isn't "console QA" a contradiction in terms?

[unkempt blade]

I do QA for my day job and I can confidently say no one cares if we fail things

[leaden turret]

no, that's bethesda QA

[whole drum]

No, that's a fabrication of terms

[leaden turret]

all terms are fabricated

[white dawn]

Maybe Bethesda's got a fantastic QA team and the developers all just forgot their logins to the internal QA site. :)

[whole drum]

Especially those ones together

[nova lynx]

how do i do a bug report

[unkempt blade]

We've run into development challenges (realized it's lunchtime) so the estimated release date has been pushed to Q2 2027

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @leaden turret

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @tall lantern

[tall lantern]

darn

[leaden turret]

jinx

[nova lynx]

ty

[white dawn]

Only Meindratheal got the logo, though!

[peak plank]

Could any other recipes be added to optimize this? https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=9ArnO3wJbsqJeelc8KVR

[tall lantern]

optimise for what?
if you wanted to cut iron or copper you could look at the relevant alloy recipes and/or the Pure recipes. Or you could consider things like Iron Wire.
If you want to cut iron further at the expense of coal, you could add things like Steel Screw

[peak plank]

i wanted to avoid using coal

[tall lantern]

could add limestone to cut quartz

many options, need to be more specific about what you want to minimise 😛

[peak plank]

is that a lot better than pure quartz ?

[unkempt blade]

needs to use cast screws

[whole drum]

This factory going full emo, cutting itself so much

[tall lantern]

no, but it's different

[peak plank]

cast screws is on there

[tall lantern]

kinda the key thing with alts, they're not strictly better/worse, just alternates. Deciding which to use depends on what you're trying to solve for

[peak plank]

i wanted to get close to 780 for each line

[unkempt blade]

steamed copper sheets

[peak plank]

ooo ya thats a good idea

[white dawn]

In general with sftools if you just enable all the alt recipes you have available and have it solve, it'll at least get you a chain which minimizes resource usage based on its own resource weighting

That weighting might not match your local situation or your specific goals, but you could at least head to the Inputs tab to set restrictions and such if you want (and/or deselect some recipes if the solver landed on something you don't want)

[tall lantern]

for that specific use case of "I want to use 780 of each" you could just turn on all the alts, set your resource limits via the Input tab, hit Maximise, and see what comes out. Then replace the Maximise with the actual number to get a slightly less pathological setup

[white dawn]

I'll generally have a "starter" sftools tab where I enable recipes as I unlock 'em (just set to like 10/min Iron Plates or something), and then "clone tab" to do actual factory solves

That way I don't have to go through and enable my alts every time

[peak plank]

Will 50 computers be good enough for the rest of the game ?

[white dawn]

Impossible to answer. Maybe? Maybe not?

Depends on how big you build, and what other alt recipes you use

My advice is to not stress about it: just build whatever you need right now, with the knowledge that you'll build more later

[tall lantern]

for build gun use? overkill. To distribute all over the place? good luck with the logistics, but depends entirely on what you end up building

[white dawn]

(IMO that's more fun anyway 'cause you can end up using wildly different production chains for the same resource, over the course of a playthrough)

[peak plank]

i see

[white dawn]

The only way to actually know how much of something you'll need (for production purposes) across a playthrough would be to literally plan out the rest of your factory builds for the rest of the game

[peak plank]

ya damn the pure ingot recipes are nuts

[white dawn]

As I approach endgame I admit I will sometimes do that; like on my latest playthrough I decided to just do Supercomputers once and for all, so I went and planned out exactly how I wanted to make all Phase4+5 supercomputer-dependent stuff

And then I made the Supercomputer factory to suit (with specific machines dedicated to providing those specific exports, once the other factories were ready for 'em)

I definitely wouldn't recommend trying that as far back as Computers, though (I mean, I don't even really recommend it for Supercomputers, but glass houses, etc)

By the time you're deep into Phase4+5, spinning up more Computers won't seem like much of a bother anyway. :)

[tall lantern]

and I had no plan so just Independency'd it the whole way

[abstract heron]

I often do everything now in the 1.0 or 1.1 world

[white dawn]

I tend to go pretty hard on subfactories too, nowadays, so even in the lategame my individual factories don't tend to be huge

Like a Phase 5 elevator part "factory" might consist of like six different factories all over the map, but each individual one doesn't tend to be gigantic

[abstract heron]

I just finished making mouldar frames

I am making still factory’s of factory’s

[peak plank]

I tried building a mega factory but I like the modular ones better

[white dawn]

I bet your PC likes modular ones better, too!

[abstract heron]

I love doing biome factory’s

[gritty zealot]

whos up factorising rn

[sour ledge]

honestly i have a tendency to just.... overbuild. My last save had a circuit board factory putting out over 1200 circuit boards/m 'cause well, i had two pure quartz nodes right there, some pure copper and some water.... destiny was at hand.

[shrewd igloo]

can cables carry infinite megawatts

like if i hook up 8 coal generators to a single power line whihc i expand later it will work?

[green fiber]

ye

they can carry infinite MW

[leaden turret]

and 1/1000th of an infinite GW

[green fiber]

2% of infinity

[white dawn]

Oh sure, nothing inherently wrong with overbuilding if you're enjoying it. I was more just responding to questions of the sort "how much should I build?" or "will x/min be enough?" Impossible to answer, in the end. :D

[sour ledge]

fair lol, the one true answer is: It will never be enough! Build more, build more, leaving resources unprocessed is inefficient pioneering! MORE!

[midnight relic]

hey so i just got into satisfactory after buying it in early access then forgetting about it, then i recently got a new (used) gpu and realized that i don't have that many games that would demand high specs, and satisfactory jumped out at me the most out of the ones that had Major Graphics

then i got hopelessly addicted LMAO

[sour ledge]

that's a scary thought. If the power lines were limited in how much power they could bear that'd add a whole new dimension of planning....

[shrewd igloo]

they could add stronger powerlines as you progress through the game though 🤷

[sour ledge]

i'd be out here like a friggin' oligarch building dedicated power stations for my factories...

[pliant prawn]

around 7:30 in here. She starts on a cave that's already rough cut and is painting in the assets, so maybe it was just misinterprted on me. I was under the impression and now I cant find where that snippet was that I was thinking of where she explained it. I thought it was in the release stream. Or maybe she was explaining what she inherited from before she got on team. At this point I will cede it to my error unless I can find what I was thinking of. Good fun video to share regardless. https://www.youtube.com/live/CB9bSigNYH8?si=-1bC1qdgVqRmcRFN

[midnight relic]

anyways uhh. idk if it's because i'm playing on linux but the texture quality setting doesn't seem to do anything? i set it to ultra and i can still see pixels/blurriness in the textures, then i tried fiddling with the texture quality setting but it didn't do anything noticable... i've tried dx12 and vulkan backends (tho they both end up as vulkan because linux)

gpu is radeon rx 6600xt for those curious

and i'm playing at 1080p

[trim sundial]

What's the minimum distance required for a belt to go up and over another with out clipping? The belt being traveled over need one square on each side right?

[leaden turret]

they considered that then went "lolnope"

[pliant prawn]

like 2M, some belt objects are "tall" so plan for those

[trim sundial]

Like this is kind of what I'm saying I-I-

In this very specific case I'm dealing with ingots

[shrewd igloo]

yeah thats fair enough i just starting out finished making fully automatic coal power plant now im remaking everything from scratch so its neater and its on foundations 🙂

[trim sundial]

I want to have a belt of iron and copper coming in each side of my factory with my crafting machines facing the middle and my end containers in the very center so sometimes I will have to loop my copper over the iron ingots belt sonetimes

[sour ledge]

typically the best way to make things look nice that way is to cheat and have a hidden logistics floor that things pass over/under eachother 😂

[vague burrow]

Hey, what happens to all the FICSMas stuff when the season is over?

[fading whale]

You keep everything that you build or constructed. But all Ficsmas options from the build menus go away.

[fading whale]

A.k.a. The Magic Floor.
Where one thing comes in and another comes out. And no-one is exactly sure how or why. But it works.

[vague burrow]

Thanks!

[sour ledge]

i mean no processing happens in there! Just iron ingots go in, and somehow just magically come out somewhere more convenient...

[vivid eagle]

THERES COAL NODES EVERYWHERE BUT NOT ONE OF THEM IS FUCKING REACHABLE

[silk ocean]

Build a ramp / ladder

[fluid sapphire]

everyone pretending like conveyor lifts dont exist

[glacial kestrel]

(first time doing trains) is it normal for the switch to be on the opposite side of where the trains can go?

[fluid sapphire]

the switches dont matter at all for automated trains

[white dawn]

The little diamond one with an arrow doesn't matter at all

[shrewd igloo]

i had 2 spawn next to eachother and within okay distance from water 🙂

[silk ocean]

Only useful for manual driving

[glacial kestrel]

ah allright

[tropic juniper]

i dont know how a dlc would expand to new worlds / maps. since you know, the spoilers ||where ADA just leaves us alone on the planet stranded||

[glacial kestrel]

dabbling with the trains and started putting the signals, not realising i will have to put them everywhere along the track 🙂

[tropic juniper]

build ramps. concrete is key to reaching parts of the world

[trim sundial]

Oh no I know they exist o love them I just haven't diverted brain power to using them heavily

[vivid eagle]

now i died with all my items i didnt even store them bruh

[tropic juniper]

protip: don't die

[white dawn]

There should be a "death crate" where you last touched solid ground, btw

(Though sometimes the placement freaks out a bit and it ends up somewhat unreachable)

You can also set your game settings to not lose inventory on death, should you prefer that, btw

[pale dew]

my world is a crime against all pionners

[midnight relic]

and that's why i turn keep inventory on

[unkempt blade]

keep calm and build a ramp or something to get to them 😆

[glacial kestrel]

can we somehow force the block signal to only go a certain way, it actually tries to go the complete opposite way

[fluid sapphire]

place it wrong at first, then place the correct one, then delete the wrong one

it be like that sometimes

note that what matters is the actual direction of the signal, the L/R build modes are purely cosmetic

[glacial kestrel]

You are a such big brain

Ye it tries to go the wrong direction sometimes

[pale dew]

i love me some planet with enriched uranium ore

[abstract heron]

Is there a video this week @void gorge

[glass pagoda]

Hello

[abstract heron]

Heeeellllllllllllooooooooooo

[glass pagoda]

Oh hey someone's here

Or not

Ima go ig

[abstract heron]

I am

[tender ermine]

My trucks are levitating again

Not even to get back to path the things just hovering 200 metres west of any nodes

[oblique hound]

not trying to be a piece of crap, but how come a lot of the new console players expect every bug that is found to be patched on day one? and then get mad at the CSS devs when they arent even the ones doing console-specific bugfixes?

its not everyone but since nov 4th the QA site has an entirely different vibe

[strong fiber]

Im console and im fine with the bugs

I just started this game

Im working on fixing my aluminum factory

To work better

[short root]

They didn't have the Early Access time and learned what "bugs" really mean in Satisfactory, and they are used to games that are far, far less complex in their game logic, and work much more flawless on consoles.
Console gamers are sometimes less "hardcore" and more "casual" and simply not used to this I suspect.

[oblique hound]

I just started this game
Im working on fixing my aluminum factory

im so sorry... 😭

[strong fiber]

What😭

I got 80 hours

Its supposed to make 960 aluminum ingot/min

[short root]

You are doing well AuraFarmer, keep going

Its a process to learn this game

[oblique hound]

good luck, aluminum makes people want to commit unspoken horrors upon the pipe gods

im my aluminum plant every mk2 pipe is doubled up as some kind of horrendous offering

(its working fine so far)

[strong fiber]

Why is the recycled water backing up when theres 600/min going out and 600/min going in

[oblique hound]

that would be the pipe gods

[short root]

Recycling water needs "level 3" knowledge of pipes, please consult this guide: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/File:Pipeline_Manual.pdf

[strong fiber]

No

I aint reading allat

[short root]

Then create a post in #1038092680493801533 but if you don't want to learn about it, you will have to fiddle a lot until you get it working

[strong fiber]

I already made a thing in questions and help

And ive been learning gaining knowledge t

[oblique hound]

the best advice i can give is to never try to combine byproduct and input water

[strong fiber]

Im nott

[short root]

I just saw it yes, then please stick to your post if you have continued issues so that your history of the issue is not mixed with other topics here, this way people can help you better.

[kind oriole]

Is it possible to make 100 turbo motors a minute?

[short root]

Yes: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=b9kig5xW90JmqfqJFQOl
(You may have to click on the Turbo Motor tab after opening it)

[hard ivy]

over 600, even
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=16Ilapl3nygBSjJaYKdX

[oblique hound]

this makes me wonder if its possible to do a max screws playthrough

i dont even want to think about how many machines that would use

[kind oriole]

Whats a trick question I can ask a moron who googles satisfactory stuff to prove he has no idea what satisfactory is

[oblique hound]

57964x Constructor

i... have now thought about it

[meager kiln]

if i have a tank at the end of a line of fuel generators, and i have 400 production, and 400 consumption, will the tank lock at 100% full? or will it fluctuate?

assuming i primed it

[oblique hound]

theoretically it would stay full, assuming everything else in the system is, but if there was any fluctuation in the input it would empty, and that is not exactly unlikely to happen

[hard ivy]

it's fluids. they'll fluctuate. unless the flow is 0 or 600

[meager kiln]

okay thanks

[oblique hound]

the full tank would also cause slosh

[meager kiln]

looks like i got it just about locked at 400m3 atm for the tank.
should i just remove the tank?

[short root]

Also relevant:
How much excited photonic matter can you produce?
Yes.

[trim sundial]

Any tips for getting the squatters out of my pool in the image i posted in design and architecture?

[oblique hound]

if you want it to fill up and the fluid is a liquid and not a gas, you could place the buffer below the fuel generators and it would fill with priority

[meager kiln]

na i just kinda thought you want a tank at the end of a line to help with the system

[oblique hound]

oh ok

[meager kiln]

i think i thought it helped with sloshing so i just started doing it awhile ago, or i saw it in a screenshot of someone and just ran with it lol

looks like its good now tho, hardlocked at 400

10 producers, 10 generators, with the generators all sharded 2x (was a build from awhile ago)

[oblique hound]

theres a really weird intermittent problem with my roccket fuel plant where two random generators will switch off at exactly the same time and then come back 10 seconds later >:(

[meager kiln]

ooof lol

[short root]

When you remove the outer foundations and zap them, they should run away.

If not, you have to zap them so often that they die. Yes, it's possible and yes, it needs dedication, especially without the basher.

[trim sundial]

Ill have to try that, even before i put the foundations down they have been standing in place for days

[short root]

I know the issue, zapping should move them and if not, be prepared to zap them until they die. They have a lot of health but its possible and then you can build there.

[trim sundial]

Thankfully the only thing they are blocking in that corner is where i want to put my space elevator, my actual producion is going in the area across from my hub so they can kinda of stay there....for now..

[short root]

They are cute and harmless but sometimes annoying

[bitter shuttle]

i have two stations named iron ore dropoff but the trains just... choose to keep going to one and blocking every train behind it

[trim sundial]

Ive been wondering if they have any scientifc value lol

[short root]

I can link to you the wiki knowledge: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Space_Giraffe-Tick-Penguin-Whale_Thing

They can also be purchased as plush to cuddle.
(Small: https://lizarddoggo.com/products/confusing-creature-plush
Large to stuff without fill material: https://lizarddoggo.com/products/confusing-creature-storage-sack)

[trim sundial]

LOL i love that name.

[oblique hound]

they have a codex entry, kind of...

that counts as informational value

[trim sundial]

I just bought some theings from the awsome shop, mainly building pieces so i can go verticle lol...oh and a coffee muh

mug

[oblique hound]

coffee muh

im going to start using that

[trim sundial]

Thats a propriatary Ficsit term, make sure you file the nessicary forms before you start using that name.

[oblique hound]

-# dangit

im sipping my coffee muh™

[short root]

make sure not to receive any coffee stains™

[oblique hound]

im going to have to email my boss at [e-mail] about this one

take that employee 05192.83.3845.710.8.192b

wait thats me too

oh noes

[short root]

I wonder whether multiple pioneers share the same work email

[trim sundial]

That makes me wonder if we all have the same employee ID

[short root]

According to the wiki entry under https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Pioneer:
"The pioneer's e-mail address and presumably the employee number can be seen in the Codex: "[e-mail]". In a multiplayer game, the email doesn't change."

Thus, I answered my own question.

[oblique hound]

maybe its by sector (when one person gets an ada message in a multiplayer game, everyone gets it)

[real shale]

Me when I put my IP address in the email

[short root]

Since every MASSAGE-2(A-B)b is the same for every game, and since the pioneers are all the same, we can conclude that we have, in fact, parallel universes.

In Satisfactory at least.

Although I don't know what to do with this insight.

[trim sundial]

I imagine Ficsit does the "Pioneer 001 Pioneer 002 and so on so its very easy to get us all mixed up"

Imagine pioneer 006 gets terminated because pioneer 005 or 007 caused a nuclear explosion accidently

[real shale]

But what if we are just the replacement for the last pioneer that met an untimely end

[young geyser]

guys i droppes some DONUT project info into #screenshots again.

[tropic juniper]

that's not a safe conclusion because it could mean a lot of other things too. Like, we've all loaded independent instances of the same simulation.

[short root]

There are 118 crash sites. Yes.

[short root]

True.

[real shale]

118 KNOWN crash sites, let's not exclude the fact that some of them could have missed the surface entirely

Straight into the void

[short root]

I agree!

[real shale]

Man, I can't wait to get my box collection that I preordered

I really want that cloth poster it comes with

And the pamphlets too lol

[trim sundial]

Kind of like we are all put on the same copy of EXO-planets to see whos going to screw it up more lol

[trim sundial]

Is that really a crash site though? 😛

[short root]

Asking the right questions.

[south sinew]

No, because none of them built anything or collected anything, they'd have to have all died on impact

more likely none of those crash sites contained any pioneers

[real shale]

i mean ada does tell you not to question why there is pre-existing drop pods

[dim flint]

Is there a way to take less than a stack from dimensional storage?

[south sinew]

no

[shy mulch]

there's very rarely any need to do that, what's the use case? you can build stuff using materials in your depot, I suppose it's only ever an issue really for things like sloops, slugs etc but it's not really something you'll be doing regularly

[white dawn]

If you already have some of a material in your inventory, dragging the Depot stack onto that will only consume the difference from the cloud storage

So technically that works

[dim flint]

OCD. I have 31 power shards and I want 49 more.

[white dawn]

Though if you just don't want to have it in your inventory, can always manually-upload the unused bit, unless it's already replenished

(At least, once you have that upgraded to do so)

[dim flint]

My guy!

[shy mulch]

just take the stack and send 1 back in?

[dim flint]

They upload too fast.

[shy mulch]

what's speed got to do with it? just put 1 in the box

[white dawn]

(If you didn't know, btw, you can hold down the "split" button to split stacks into exact values, in your inventory)

[dim flint]

You must not be understanding my issue. But @white dawn had the solution.

[shy mulch]

I think you may not have realised you can split stacks...

Why does taking 50 out and putting 1 back in not work?

[dim flint]

I learned that yesterday, which I why I was asking about this. But I wasn't able to split from the dimensional in the same way, which surprised me.

Right mouse hold actually lets you drag the scroll, which is odd.

[dim flint]

I'd have to take 100 out (a full stack) and put back in 51.

[shy mulch]

Yes but you can take the stack out of depot, split it into 49+1, then drag the 1 back in. To me that's the fastest way

Oh hadn't realised the stack was 100, but nevertheless, that still works

[dim flint]

No it doesn't

[shy mulch]

why?

[dim flint]

Once I take out the 100, my depot fills back up automatically from my factory.

So by the time I start uploading the 51, then It can't accept the full amount and they get stuck.

[shy mulch]

Ah, in that case fair enough, but you didn't specify that you had a feed of them going in. Most people who ask this sort of thing are in early game

I made an inaccurate assumption

[dim flint]

lol, ok.

Also, who decided the order items are sorted in the inventory lolol. So random.

[shy mulch]

would be nice to be able to specify that

[dim flint]

I actually might learn to write a mod just to fix this.

[white dawn]

You did! It's the order in which you uploaded them. :)

[dim flint]

Oh and that order too!

[white dawn]

(I'm guessing that Depot-sorting mods already exist, btw)

[dim flint]

I was actually talking about the general inv, not depot. But both could be improved!

[white dawn]

In practice I found that I nearly always wanted to just search for the name of the thing I was gonna grab anyway, so I stopped caring about the actual order

Oh, heh, gotcha

[dim flint]

like, they kinda group things... but not all ammo and rebar are next to each other.

Drives me mad.

Holy shit someone already made an "Inventory Filters" mod! I had this idea to belt optimize trains and stuff a while back... but I'm not sure how it will work with belts that cannot overflow properly.

[oblique hound]

and then equipment is in the middle for some reason, oh wait half isnt

power shards are awkwardly half way through

[dim flint]

I do not see a mod for just improving the base sorting algorithm though.

[glass pagoda]

Hello

[real shale]

hello Not Not cyan

[glass pagoda]

How are you

[real shale]

good, almost finally done with my current in-game project and will be glad when its done

[native hornet]

does anyone know if constructors keep ficsmas recipes after the event?

[glass pagoda]

Im playing fixmis volume two and my ears are bleeding

[real shale]

Its Ada preaching her hatred for Ficsmas, which is why the 2st generation of fun engineers were sued because Ada keeps trying to destroy the tape lol

[glass pagoda]

The tape is coverd in blood I think they were more than sued

[shy mulch]

can pin things you use most often too, that tends to be sufficient for me

[strong fiber]

Is 240 aluminum casing/min enough for personal use

[dim flint]

At first I pinned everything I had fed by an automated process, but now that's basically everything.

[graceful plank]

Hiya

[glass pagoda]

Hi

[shy mulch]

Not Magenta?

[glass pagoda]

Huh

[shy mulch]

I thought the reference would have been obvious given your username

[glass pagoda]

I thought u were talking bout that i just wasn't sure

[glossy flare]

what can i make early game with heavy oil residue

[real shale]

define personal use? like rifle ammo?

[gentle lion]

What do I do with thsi water byproduct lol

Fees it back to the refiner

[real shale]

Feedback loop baby

[versed cosmos]

A lot of fuel

[glossy flare]

i have no use for that this early. and i cant flush it out

[versed cosmos]

Oh turn it into petroleum coke and sink it

Assuming you like just got oil

[glossy flare]

ooo yes ill do that thank you

i forgot about the sink

[versed cosmos]

Once you get petroleum power you can turn it into fuel

[real shale]

i hate the sound of elite gas stingers so much, hearing them invokes a fight or flight response in me immediately

[versed cosmos]

Rn I would just turn it into something sinkable so the factory doesn't back up

[versed cosmos]

They put a perfectly designed horror monster in my cozy factory building game!

[real shale]

i saw in one of the CSS videos they had like a post it note saying something like "stinger boss fight" and i was like...no....god no

[versed cosmos]

I set my game to peaceful and I still shiver when I hear stingers

[trim sundial]

Im missing something obvious. I have two coal generators, so thats 150MW out put right? I cant seem to find any reading on how much my system is actually using, i know the info is infront of me but im not seeing it and i feel dumb

[white dawn]

It's a lot to take in, don't sweat it!

Anyway, yes: each coal gen is 75MW, so two together will be giving you 150MW

If you go up to a power pole which is in the same power "network" as the two gens, you'll see a graph giving you stats like Production, Max Consumption, Capacity, etc.

[versed cosmos]

When you look at a power pole there are four numbers you can see and they'll be colour coded. You want "consumption"

[trim sundial]

Ahh ok the one place i didnt look, the poles lol

[white dawn]

"Production" is the amount of power you're generating on the entire grid, "Max Consumption" is how much power all machines plugged into the grid would consume if they were running at once

"Capacity" might be higher than "Production" if you still have biomass burners in your power network; they only turn on when needed

[real shale]

speaking of which, my max cons is getting scarily close to my capacity

[trim sundial]

i am working diligently to get the tier 4 power poles, its going to make my power distribution so much neater looking and effecient

[white dawn]

Once you end up removing your biomass burners (if you do so, anyway) then Capacity and Production will basically always be identical

[versed cosmos]

tier 4 power poles????

[trim sundial]

Yeah, i had to use biomass burners to power my water exctractor initially until i figured out how to get my coal energy to power the water exteractor so now its a self suffecient loop and i have nothing connected to biomass now, THANK god.

[real shale]

wall outlets will be your saviour

[white dawn]

Yeah, no real choice but to use biomass to bootstrap your coal. Good times! :D

[trim sundial]

I mean the tier 4 energy distrivution things, like poles with a connector at the base.

[versed cosmos]

Power TOWERS

[trim sundial]

Yeah those lol

[versed cosmos]

Those are very good

[real shale]

and they look beautiful

[versed cosmos]

Great for ziplining around the map

[real shale]

albeit the enjiner in me sees flaws but is only game so, I have a thing where i review every games power infrastructure design

[versed cosmos]

Satisfactory has very simply power management

Just strap a cable to it!

[real shale]

i give satisfactory a 6/10 on the power infrastructure design realism, which is actually a good figure

[unkempt blade]

It's a perfect game I give it 5/7

[trim sundial]

Is there an infrastructure support limit? Im getting ready to build down in a lake i put foundations in but the lake is uneaven and my attempt at a 25x25 foundation area is inhibited by the sides of the lake. I would like to build foundations from the top of the cliff, all the way to the other side of the lake but it would be suspended in mid air and im worried of stuff collapsing lol.

[versed cosmos]

It won't collapse

[real shale]

no, we are ficsit have unique platform floatation technology

[versed cosmos]

Foundations do not experience gravity

I still like to build with physics in mind but you can just build sky platforms

[real shale]

that would be an amazing april fools patch note though "Foundations now experience gravity"

[trim sundial]

I might redo my floor then. Have a factory suspended above and keep a floor below my factory to hold my generators

Basically have an entire lake under my factory lol

[real shale]

oh i dont doubt that, i just have a weird thing with reviewing power infrastructure design, by all means satisfactory is my favourite game

[trim sundial]

I love factorio but i have a hard time setting up and managing the huge malls and buses and stuff that are often required. ive always done small things until i can make drones and then just have all my productioned managed by drones and "production" nodes. I think this game being in first person changes my view on "malls and buses", i think its because im down at ground level and i can better visualize things.

[gentle lion]

Don't think I have the feedback loop correctly

I overclocked the refiner to use all 480 bauxite per minute.

Needs 480 water / minute

I have 2 refiners using the output. Each producing 120/min water each. Soni added 2 water extractors ...still stops every few seconds then goes again....

[trim sundial]

3D thinking obvious changes the big picture drastically

[unkempt blade]

not to mention you can play without a mall and satis players generally recommend against a bus 😄

[real shale]

You have to be careful with the math, have you take any excess water produced from the initial water extractors and just let it be fed from the feedback loop?

if in doubt, you can also add a valve at the feedback loop to prevent backflow or flush the pipes to get it going

[trim sundial]

Yeah, i read reviews before i bought the game when theyh finally announced controller support and they said you dont even need massive factorys and 100 levels of automation, you can just use a small factory and build what you need for each project individually if you dont mind spending the time on it.

[gentle lion]

So see what refiners produce and fill the gap with extractor ?

[real shale]

yeah

[gentle lion]

I've never used a valve put it in at the backside of loop between extractors and the loop?

[real shale]

yeah

so you want the extractors producing the difference between your requirement for the first set of refineries and what the second set produce as a byproduct

so if they require 300m3/min and you have 100m3/min by product, have the extractors produce 200m3

[worn lagoon]

how do I properly output 2 mk.3 belts and 1 mk. 2 belt from 12 foundries producing alt iron ingots with a manifold

it's not clear to me because each foundry makes 50 and I don't really understand how to properly "inject" overflow output

[potent beacon]

is it ok to spend points in awesome shop however I like? As they get progressively more expensive, am I gonna be able to afford all the stuff needed later on? Cant imagine how much one ticket is gonna cost later and if thats gonna be a problem lol

[haughty storm]

Looking for a good dedicated server host for two players. Want to build large factories. Any recs

[real shale]

im not crazy, it is definitely path signal in, block signal out for train junctions right?

[potent beacon]

Any is good tbh its more about price/specs ratio so depends on your area and how much ram/what cpu you need

[haughty storm]

Us. We are on both costs. My friend does play through GeForce now

[gentle lion]

Enough #screenshots message

[real shale]

I am confused, apparently my train has a signalling problem somewhere but none of the signals are flagging an error.... 🤔

[gentle lion]

15 smelters making aluminum ...

Now what to do with the aluminum

[cunning glade]

Only 15?

[gentle lion]

Well it's the on h bauxite I have and only 480 a min

[real shale]

oh my god im so stupid, i have discovered why my train cannot reach the station

[gentle lion]

Crap I need copper for sheets....

[real shale]

i put the station the wrong way round LOL

[gentle lion]

Lol

Oh thag other bauxite node isn't that far from here

[lost rapids]

Good morningg

[gentle lion]

Why is there no copper close....

Uhhhh gotta belt it in...run power to it....

[native frost]

train is good train is life

train is food and water

[dim flint]

Is there any way to make hypertube wall holes actually holes in the walls, it looks like I'm jumping into a solid wall here.

[native frost]

well u could try a convary wall

cuz its like a window

[lost rapids]

I don't wanna start nuclear I'm scared 😭 😭 😭

[dim flint]

I want it next to a door tho 🙁

[native frost]

umm idk them u could replace the door and make space with nudge

[cunning glade]

Welp time too make 3600 rubber a min

[real shale]

only 3600 a min?

[tired cypress]

I hope someday, ADA realizes the true meaning of Ficsmas. Whatever that is.

[cunning glade]

That's the max amount I can make with my 2 nodes unfortunately

[real shale]

okay i finally after so long have RCUs automated

[native frost]

clearlyer not enough only 2 nodes i recon u grab all the oil in the world and centralise it

[cunning glade]

Nah I have plans for the other amounts of oil

Rocket fuel for power and drones probs

[native frost]

aww

[cunning glade]

And plastic

[unkempt blade]

petro coke for coal generators!

that's smart, coke is a great fuel

[native frost]

i need to get on drones im making big ass buses

[native frost]

fuel for the intellagent

[cunning glade]

Never used it before wym

Phones about too die gg

[unkempt blade]

check your codex when you're actually in the game 😄

[unkempt blade]

yeah only the biggest and most powerful brains use coke fuel

[real shale]

Product placement

[versed cosmos]

coke is great because you can get a fucking lot of it very easily

[real shale]

This is turning into a coca cola sponsor segue

[versed cosmos]

crude into HOR into coke is 1 crude for 4 pet coke

[stoic steeple]

Original taste Petroleum Coke

[cunning glade]

what about it

doesnt seem very appealing

[dim flint]

Anyone have any good tips on using bidirectional hypertubes and hypertube acceleration?

[unkempt blade]

I use a bunch of these inline with my HT routes to go super faster #screenshots message

[dim flint]

Basically, I have a situation where if going downhill I forget to swap to the right path, then I get stuck in a accelerator.

And uphill if I go on the wrong path, I don't get boosted.

[unkempt blade]

Yours looks like it might work for an HT cannon but not for bi-directional. My screenshot is using an entrance facing each way so I can go both directions

[dim flint]

I really don't want two routes, but without a way to make the default split path based on direction IDK if it's possible.

Ohhhhhhh

I should have looked more closely. That should be perfect! Thanks.

[unkempt blade]

I use them in a blueprint with my roads but one of these pics you'll see a bunch of them running along the road #screenshots message

[dim flint]

Yea, I need to do some more of this

[pearl sparrow]

how much do people usually explore? im about to start a heavy modular frame factory and i've yet to step foot outside of the top right desert

[limpid hazel]

you gotta go over the whole map if you want all the alt recipes

[dim flint]

Oh wow, fun fact, if you hold "E" while grabbing leaves, then press "tab", then exit tab, you can keep picking leaves without holding "E" at all!

[limpid hazel]

kids these days are so spoiled

[unkempt blade]

Usually like phase 3/4 or so the game will kind of nudge you to expand because you'll need more or different resources. Before then you can kind of get away with sitting in one spot unless if you really want to

I'll do some nearby exploration stuff once I get blade runners and much more/further exploration with the jetpack normally

[pearl sparrow]

yeah im thinking about expanding out for my hmf factory bc i have most resources here tapped lol

im thinking about making a main storage area and setting up trains first though

[brittle kite]

That's impressive. I've got ingot factories all built to produce 3120/min or 4 belts of 780. Iron is different at 6240, and I haven't built caterium yet.

[dim flint]

@unkempt blade is there a neat trick to slowing down before coming out the other side without making a fence that sorta gets in the way of getting into the thing?

I assume I should just place my entrances strategically.

[unkempt blade]

I mostly point them at a fence or wall. A landing pad might work if you line it up right but it'd be the same idea

[strong fiber]

My aluminum factory is fixed which means i can start using the aluminum to make stuff

[dim flint]

I had mine launching me directly through a portal on accident LOL.

[strong fiber]

Had to expand to build a HMF factory in crater lake

in phase 3

Now i got 5000 heavy modular frames stored

[unkempt blade]

yeah oil or the MAM resources are what's not right on top of your starting areas for me normally

[limpid hazel]

storing?!

[dim flint]

This is a nightmare, I'm moving too fast to switch branches.

[opaque birch]

yo is there like a solid way to plan ahead?

[pallid fable]

I am contemplating buying this game how hard is it to learn

[opaque birch]

starting a mega factory in the desert and I don't even remotely know how big the building needs to go or how much capacity I should be planning for -.-

[limpid hazel]

work backwords from the last item you actually want to make, like elevator items.

[opaque birch]

oh, okay that makes sense

[limpid hazel]

that depends on whether or not you have inductive reasoning and basic math skills and can read what is on the screen

[pallid fable]

I cant read 🙁

[limpid hazel]

it's over

[pallid fable]

so I love like minecraft mod packs with next step crafting stuff

Is this concept similar?

[limpid hazel]

it's similar, most people just have problems because they literally don't add numbers or read things on the screen, like how fast a belt is, how much a pipe carries, how much a recipe input/output

it's not rocket science it's basic addition/subtraction/multiplication/division

it's either that or obtuse behavior of the fluid system which is not-obvious or telegraphed without experience (this is where inductive reasoning comes in)

[pearl sparrow]

a lot of it is honestly easier than it seems (at least with how far i am) and if it gets too complicated you can always use sfc

[ocean frost]

What are you looking for in a game

[pallid fable]

goal progression like craft this to then be able to craft this

you need a hundred of these to progress to one of those

[limpid hazel]

you got that

[ocean frost]

have you looked at factorio

[pallid fable]

this is going to sound really silly but... the graphics...

i dont know what it is

[ocean frost]

its a fair point

[pallid fable]

it feels so old for some reason?

[ocean frost]

It is

[pallid fable]

my only concern so to speak is I am watching a video to learn a bit how far does the game go in giving you goals?

Like do I always have a clear next step

[ocean frost]

Buy it play it for two hours return it if you don't like it

the game doesnt hold your hand

[pallid fable]

like in a modpack I get a giant book of chapters right

[limpid hazel]

it doesn't have infinite progression, there is an end to it, but there is always a next goal. until the end.

[pallid fable]

but is that next goal always laid out or clear

[limpid hazel]

and that goal is always build X number of parts A B C

[pallid fable]

or will this turn into me having to like watch videos non stop and google the next steps

[limpid hazel]

increasingly more complicated chains

[pallid fable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sTpAjgsbsU

So these concepts are super simple right? No issues here. But like once you get your basics down how do you know what to do next

i dont mean literaly step by step but like do you have a goal at all times that is clear

[limpid hazel]

all the recipes are available in-game, it has an okay UI for searching them, but planning ahead of time is difficult to impossible without looking up outside recipe knowledge

because you don't get to see them until you unlock them, and you use prerequisite parts to unlock them

[limpid hazel]

The goal is always to construct a certain number of specific parts

How you get there is freeform

[pallid fable]

ok but as long as I know ok I need these parts next thats fine

The game isnt going I dont know uhhh... you need to construct a giant rocket ship good luck its going ok you now need a thruster for the ship, you need a cockpit, etc

[limpid hazel]

But, resources are infinite, so you can construct an infinite number of parts. there's a secondary goal to sink as many extra parts as you can to increase an arbitrary counter

[limpid hazel]

no, there are 5 phases, each phase has a goal number of high tier parts to end the phase, you go through the phase unlocking more items to be able to construct those parts, it's basically guiding you through the available production chains as you go

[pallid fable]

Perfect.

[limpid hazel]

nothing ever really becomes outmoded, things just become increasingly complex and resource heavy to construct

[pallid fable]

thats fine I just need like some sort of goal

[limpid hazel]

then when you finish the game you exploit the entire map to throw as many high tier items in the garbage as possible

(optional)

[split condor]

Another tips advice request. When designing phase 4 plus factory how do you ensure overflow of build parts say, modular frames or reinforce plates to build your factory?

[limpid hazel]

wdym by this, just build more than you're using downstream with a smart splitter

[split condor]

That is what I am currently doing but….. after phase 3, tier 4 plus it gets a bit tricky to ensure

[limpid hazel]

how, if you build more than you use it will overflow

this game doesn't have rng

[slim rivet]

hey guys, does anyone have a solution to tractors randomly stopping?

• they have fuel
• they are the only tractor on the road
• all truck stops have power

they just stop and the only fix i have found is that i have to drive it forward like 10 meters

[zealous urchin]

they just glitch sometimes

[slim rivet]

will it resolve itself if i leave it?

[zealous urchin]

design another road for them

the more flat the better

and dont make crazy turns

[slim rivet]

i will try less crazy turns, the stop is on flat foundation for quite some distance

[zealous urchin]

its the piece of the road itself

pathfinding sometimes glitches out

[slim rivet]

that sucks, i dont wish to use trains for small distances but if this problem is really annoying then i might have to switch

[real shale]

i love playing harddrive roulette

lets go gambling, errr aww dang it

[dusk star]

I have like 1000 hours in this game and every day I find more hidden details

[dim flint]

Anyone have any ideas why flipping a power switch and then trying to turn it back on wouldn't work. I have to go outside and flip a breaker.

[dusk star]

reflection on the boom box glass is crazy lol

[limpid hazel]

because grid breakers are separate from power switches

[real shale]

Man i gotta print this alt recipe reference guide out, its so damn long lmao

[limpid hazel]

a tripped breaker can migrate between grids when you use power switches

all switches do is connect grids

[dim flint]

But I swear I've used a power switch to toggle a group of machines on and off before without needing to flip a breaker.

[silk ocean]

Steam Sale season be upon us

[dim flint]

All I'm doing is disconnecting my production factory grid from the power grid with a switch.

In a way it makes sense it would trip, I just don't know how it worked for other factories.

[limpid hazel]

if the sub grid has had its own power generation source it can get weird

[dim flint]

Nope, no sub power.

[limpid hazel]

idk then

[real shale]

There we go, OC supercomputer alt recipe :D

remember kids, you are always one hard drive away from winning big

[silk ocean]

...or 77 hard drives away xD

[real shale]

Now to spend days automating these things

[limpid hazel]

this might shock some of you, but the super state computer is actually the best supercomputer recipe

[real shale]

That's a good and respected opinion just the wrong one /j

[versed cosmos]

friendly reminder that there are no "best" recipes

[real shale]

best recipe is charcoal

[limpid hazel]

using nitrogen for supercomputers is just impractical if you are maximizing map production

super state is objectively the best

[versed cosmos]

really gotta save nitrogen for nitro rocket fuel

except nitro rocket fuel takes 2x sulfur than it does coal 😭

[limpid hazel]

gotta save it for the thermal propulsion rockets

[real shale]

I'm using OC because it sounds cool

Super-State just doesn't have the same ring to it

[limpid hazel]

😲

[cunning lily]

Smart switch, not regular switch. Can be grouped/named. Has A/B sides to regulate which part gets flow and which doesnt.

[dim flint]

So I've got 5 fully functional and self-sustaining portals now.

I need to do the math on other factories first, but I want to have another gateway hub which I think does something like 10-15 portals. In a way it would be a lot simpler to just have a single gateway hub, but IDK why I think this might be fun.

[dim flint]

The issue was that I had some generation on the broken setup after all, I forgot I had geo nodes attached because I was lazy.

[cunning lily]

I feel that. 😅

[dim flint]

I think the logic is that breakers don't trip is the supply is 0.

0 = off, not under supplied.

[trim sundial]

Guys...i just laid like 300 foundations down to set up my new lines...and i just realised that the designs of the foundations are not all facing the same direction, please tell me there is a way to mass orient them....or im going to cry lol

[versed cosmos]

Concrete foundations

[trim sundial]

Ugh, ill figure something out...

[dim flint]

I hate this.

[reef basin]

my personal recommendation would be to not do megafactory

[silk ocean]

Nanofactory... So hot right now

[dim flint]

Depends what counts as "mega"

[limpid hazel]

bigger than a kilofactory but smaller than a gigafactory

[dim flint]

I think it's about time I pioneer the GibiFactory.

[compact flicker]

Im gonna handbuild a 40k forge world

[dim flint]

Where do people put their extra coupons they can't shove back into the sink?

Oh I'm a dummy, I can store a lot in the depot.

[reef basin]

anything that is "all production in a single place"

[dim flint]

I'm planning on doing all space elevator parts to finally beat the last phase in one spot... but yea, I'll be feeding it some parts with a few trains other than just ore or whatever.

[robust nova]

I am starting to think I should have gone on a harddrive hunt before I got too far in the milestones.

[reef basin]

"megafactory" in context of Satisfactory is "all production in a single place", or "single factory for everything". So if you start building outposts, you no longer have megafactory, you have multiple factories 😉 it has nothing to do with size

[dim flint]

What about a mega factory with rooms 🧌

[pearl sparrow]

im making a (decently small) mall and sushi belts feel so wrong

[silk ocean]

Probably fine for a mall

[compact flicker]

The worst sushi belt is the one on the game cover

[pearl sparrow]

im using gamingwithdoc's design so it works fine it just looks strange after so long of 1 item belts

[compact flicker]

Iron ingots and screws on the same belt is sociopathic

[pearl sparrow]

iron ingot with a ton of screws lmao

then theres lets game it out but that kind of gets so disgusting that it loops back around to being beautiful

[limpid hazel]

screws are so oppressed

some recipes that use screws are actually the best

[reef basin]

well, depends what you call "best"

because there's no generic "best", only "best" for given cases

[limpid hazel]

they're the best

[reef basin]

that... doesn't help

[compact flicker]

Maybe I'll consider screws when we get mk20 belts

[reef basin]

no recipe needs more than mk4 belt for screws

and most need less than mk3

[limpid hazel]

just plug the screw maker directly into the screw taker idgi

[silk ocean]

Mk.20 belts could be 19,660,800/min

[reef basin]

that assumes there's a formula for belt speed (there isn't 😛 )

[silk ocean]

Assumes they double in speed each Mk xD

[reef basin]

ah yeah, 270 is double of 120

and 1200 double of 780

and so on

[silk ocean]

I ignore past abominations xD

[reef basin]

there's literally more exceptions to this rule than the cases that follow this rule

the only doubling belt is mk1->mk2

[silk ocean]

Once upon a time Mk.1, Mk.2, Mlk.3 were all a happy family AND THEN Mk.4 spoiled the party

or Mk.3.. whichever is 270 xD

[reef basin]

mk3

you can't call it a rule if it only happened once 😄

[real shale]

But what if the rule is that it shall only happen once

[reef basin]

then it's hardly a rule

[white dawn]

For a population of 1, a single sample gives you a great p-value!

[silk ocean]

Mk.3 came to save the day because some machines thought it was a real cool story to take 45/min

[real shale]

But you are following the rule, it only happens once, that is the rule itself 🥖

[compact flicker]

60
120(x2)
270(x2.25)
480(x1.7777)
720(x1.5)
1200(x1.5384615384615)

[reef basin]

what if the rule is "+60"?

that also applies in same amount of cases

[real shale]

Then the rule is it shall add 60 🌮

[reef basin]

and using that rule together with ignoring everything, mk20 belt is 1200

checkmate 😛

[real shale]

Mk20 belt is breaking the laws of physics is what is it is, I wouldn't want to be handling nuke nobelisks at that speed

[limpid hazel]

whole factory spaghetti belt

every i/o on one belt

[cunning lily]

Most belts break the laws of physics 😅

[real shale]

A believer of the holy sushi belt divinity I see

[leaden turret]

• mk1: 2x 30
• mk2: 4x 30
• mk3: 9x 30
• mk4: 16x 30
• mk5: 26x 30 (p.s. you got that one wrong, it's 780)
• mk6: 40x 30

[real shale]

Although sadly fluids would break that entirely

[limpid hazel]

just package /unpackage at i/o

[leaden turret]

@sterile blade would a sushi pipe be a california roll or a smoothie?

[compact flicker]

Mb on tier 5, my current highest is 4 so my memory was a lil off :p

[real shale]

I wish I could put water on my conveyor belts but I have been forsaken

[silk ocean]

PSA belts will increase by 1.7777x for each successive generation after Mk.6, rounded to the nearest multiple of 60 xD

[real shale]

It would be the world's biggest "do not put any flame near it" mixture

[leaden turret]

looks at packaged water

-# also looks at rain vfx

[white dawn]

Hm, yes, BYO rain effects; just package a bunch of water and have it come down from the sky via conveyor lifts!

All this time we've been asking for its return, when the power was within us all along

[zealous urchin]

[teal geyser]

Have the packages smash open on a bunch of grating high up in the sky to make it rain

Amazing thing I just found out about the customizer just now, is that I can hold Left Click to spam coated concrete on all of my basic foundations. I recently got some plastic production going into a DD, so I was always single clicking the skins 1 by 1 at a time lol

Seems as though I somehow killed this very active channel 😭

Maybe I smell or something

[zealous urchin]

i bet there are at least 10 lurkers all the time

just waiting for sufficiently stimulating covnersation, aka dopamine hunt

[feral jay]

Make that 11. I'm lurking.

[zealous urchin]

11th Lurker, Secret Boss

[feral jay]

Ah yes last night I left the game after I achieved a perfectly flat power consumption fraph

Secret Boss skillz

[pearl sparrow]

how many HMF are typically needed bc im gonna struggle to even make 2pm

[pearl sparrow]

a sight i strive to see

[feral jay]

Depends on which phase you're in, possibly dozens

[pearl sparrow]

rn im working on unlocking t6 stuff, just got trains

still need to do elevator for higher tiers

[feral jay]

#screenshots message

And consumption equals production if I take trains and sinks offline

[pearl sparrow]

its beautiful

[feral jay]

Took me the better part of a week IRL to hunt down machines that weren't running at 100%

[limpid hazel]

don't worry. you will get machines that have variable power draw in the next phase.

[feral jay]

Oh that's fine

I have plans for that

[limpid hazel]

🤨

[feral jay]

Isolate variable draw machines on independent circuits

At this point trains and sinks are already a problem for this challenge

[limpid hazel]

doesn't that just mean you're hiding the spiky graph somewhere else and just selectively choosing to look at the flat one

[feral jay]

Well yes, and that's the whole challenge

#screenshots message This one's even better

[limpid hazel]

I don't understand the challenge

[feral jay]

All machines must be running at 100% all the time

[limpid hazel]

right but that doesn't mean the graph is flat

[feral jay]

(100% efficiency, not clock rate)

[limpid hazel]

like are you putting particle accelerators and whatever on another grid from flat consumption machines to look at the flat graph

[feral jay]

Yes

[zealous urchin]

ive done the game with 5/m

[pearl sparrow]

good to know

[feral jay]

Usually when I build my HMF plant I do 10/min

Or at least, I design it so it can reach that output

SOmetimes I don't have fast enough belts or speedy enough miners yet

[robust nova]

love that power stability!

[trim sundial]

Wanna hear something stupid? Ive been trying to build small and neat and effecient and for some reason the nature of the game im playing just hit me and i realised I HAVE A WHOLE PLANET TO MYSELF. My new factory is HUGE and neat and effecient even though its only automatic like 8 things haha

[feral jay]

The best part was when I was able, from my base, to identify a single constructor in my ficsmas plant not producing, 2km away

From the 4mw difference between peak and current consumption

[robust nova]

haha thats impressive. I am still working on my first playthrough. I think I am at about the mid game. I just finished my turbo fuel power plant and turned on 3/4 of my copper factory finally. still have a lot to do, but excited to start pumping the 12,500 ingots/min

[feral jay]

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