satisfactory

[zealous urchin]

thats... interesting

maybe get some zzzzzzzz......

[silk ocean]

Just had some lol

Must be hallucinating xD

Ping on the brain

[zealous urchin]

xD

must have been the wind

[silk ocean]

Maybe I'm still sleeping, maybe none of this is real

Although cleaning my room at 4am felt pretty real XD

[zealous urchin]

memory will be surreal at best

[charred thistle]

closest oil 2km away :C

guess we're sticking with biofuel

[willow pond]

the sound of the workbench hammering slowing down and speeding up when it's not my main tab is kinda weird

[spark sky]

It's not a lot of production for the Awesome Sink, but then I only have Mk3 belts. Still, a design that I had not seen or even considered before (the dual-manifold). #screenshots message

[chrome bear]

Is satisfactory worth its price?

[trail aspen]

Absolutely

[silk ocean]

It's a very reasonable price for what you get, totally 100% worth it

Considering many Triple-A's are like 60-80 these days

[broken quarry]

early satisfactory feels so hard

[jolly flax]

It is

[silk ocean]

Steep learning curve yea, it makes sense after a while

Unlock as much research in the MAM as you can, really helps

[broken quarry]

It’s not even that tho, it just takes ages without machines

Manually building is brutal

[silk ocean]

Oh yes don't manually craft things, automate everything you can

[broken quarry]

Yea but when your missing half the unlocks early game…..

[silk ocean]

It's a game of automation after all

Just take one step at a time in the tier you're in

Pick a milestone and work on that, based on what you have available

[chrome bear]

I'm scared if I buy it I'll regret it and then I'm 60 dollars down

[silk ocean]

It's like any game, if you watch videos etc, you probably have a good idea if you're going to get hooked or not

[trail aspen]

You got a two hours refund window

[chrome bear]

Not on psn

[broken quarry]

oof

[silk ocean]

Even 2 hours with Satisfactory isn't really enough necessarily to know, the first 5+ hours can feel confusing / overwhelming

[trail aspen]

Refunds are required to be an option in EU law

[silk ocean]

Yea that sux.. at least Steam give you 2 hours

[broken quarry]

funny, two hours in you realize you have been playing for 14 hours

[feral jay]

THis game is 60 bucks now?

[silk ocean]

2 weeks / 2 hours, whichever comes first

[chrome bear]

We have refunds on ps it's just the second you open the application you can't refund it

[silk ocean]

Eww xD

[trail aspen]

Anyways, it’s worth it if you like automation/management games

It’s at one of the top spots of the genre for sure

[chrome bear]

Any one know if there's any sales for satisfactory for Christmas on ps?

[silk ocean]

It's not even so much a management game like these needy simulation games where you constantly have to intervene to pick up escaped dinosaurs or something xD

[broken quarry]

which ps do you have?

[chrome bear]

Ps5

[broken quarry]

nvm

[silk ocean]

If there's any doubt there's no doubt, as they say. Probably don't spend 60 bucks if you don't know in your mind that it's the game for you. If you like factory builders, it's probably the game waiting for you to play

[broken quarry]

yea I came from shapez lol

[silk ocean]

Sounds like you have the mind for it, like any game if you do get it, it's a learning curve, might feel overwhelming at first but stick with it... I haven't played 2000 hours for nothing xD

[chrome bear]

Shapez what's that?

[broken quarry]

2d factory building game you can play on steam or in your browser, they have a demo if you want to try it

[silk ocean]

Maybe you'll like Factorio more xD

[broken quarry]

I didnt like the survival aspect of it

[chrome bear]

I have always had a thing for like factory building games

[silk ocean]

You don't have to have aggessive biters

Can customise all that, make them passive

[broken quarry]

I swear Im early game and already lost my mind....

[chrome bear]

Watched Martin play it and decided it didn't look as Coolio as satisfactory

[broken quarry]

lets game it out really put satisfactory to the test

[chrome bear]

I wish he uploaded it more

[silk ocean]

Well looks are totally different - Factorio is a top-down 2D builder, Satisfactory is a full blown Unreal Engine 3D builder, can't really compare in terms of looks

3D factory building introduces a whole different set of skills and techniques

[minor owl]

things really do cost a lot of concrete once you start playing with weird clipping to make curves and nice shapes

ive designed a bridge and a single blueprint segment is over a stack each...

[zealous urchin]

my friend after 5 minutes was like "im out bro"

[broken quarry]

is it normal for snapping to rotate and clip?

its like angled to a diamond shape when I press snap

[minor owl]

thats snapping to a 45 degree angle which is normal

[chrome bear]

I meant more like appealing to me not the aesthics

[silk ocean]

Could have given it at least 10 xD

[broken quarry]

but nothing else it at 45 deg??

[silk ocean]

Factorio is a cool art-style too, in its own way

[minor owl]

foundations are special and let you do that

you should be able to rotate it back to how you want with the scrollwheel

[chrome bear]

I mean like the features not how it lokks

[zealous urchin]

he automated iron plates and iron rods then asked if all of the game gon be like that
i said yea its automation over all
and he went to pick up 10k herbs in kingdome come

[silk ocean]

Yea they are both factory builders but very different in many respects

[feral jay]

Well there's also killer spiders

[minor owl]

some people are just not built for doing math

[feral jay]

And cats

[chrome bear]

Somebody on ps should gameshare it to me 😭

[silk ocean]

...and then quit xD

[zealous urchin]

he MAXXED that game man and booted up kingdom come 2 immidiately
never shows online anymore, maybe once in two weeks

[silk ocean]

lol it broke him xD

5 minutes of Satisfactory and he cooked lol

[zealous urchin]

never thought of it like that lol

[silk ocean]

xD

If Iron Plates was the demise... don't mention Nuclear Pasta 😈

[minor owl]

nuclear pasta overcomes feelings of being overwhelmed by having a funny name for motivation

[zealous urchin]

nucular spagheti

[silk ocean]

Steam got a refund request on that day xD

[zealous urchin]

family sharing or smth

[minor owl]

cant wait for quantum lasagna

[silk ocean]

Superconducting Fettuccine

[gritty zealot]

can somebody compare their progress with me so i can see if im abnormal?
ive been playing for over 8 months and im planning to start producing phase 3 components in 2 months

[zealous urchin]

let me introduce you to

graviton quirk rice

[minor owl]

how many hours are in your save file?

[gritty zealot]

800 or so

[minor owl]

certified not normal

[gritty zealot]

i see

[minor owl]

im at like 40 hours or so and maybe a third of the way through phase 3

(on this save though, and ive had several previous playthroughs so i know what im doing somewhat)

[gritty zealot]

i'd like to make the bold assumption that your planet is not very organised

[minor owl]

its pretty organised i feel?

[gritty zealot]

then im impressed

[minor owl]

as organised as things can be when ive only just unlocked trains

nothing counts until you have trains

[gritty zealot]

i unlocked trains a few months ago

[minor owl]

what have you been doing all this time???

[gritty zealot]

very cool thing they are

[gritty zealot]

factorising

[minor owl]

idk i just dont really bother building much big until you get later tier miners and stuff

cause its just more stuff youd have to tear down later if you want to use resources optimally

[gritty zealot]

i make sure to follow safety procedures in all my factories

even if i tear it down later

[minor owl]

i am partway through making a big turbofuel plant rn though which is taking quite some time

[gritty zealot]

i have fire exit signs, proper road markings and fences, most importantly industrial level lighting

[minor owl]

even with nice factories and decoration 800 hours for early/mid phase 3 seems insane

[zealous urchin]

thats just how much decoration takes

[minor owl]

for early factories with low throughput though?

[zealous urchin]

its ur game

[minor owl]

wh

[zealous urchin]

u can do whatever

altho beating it 3 times takes all the pressure off

[minor owl]

im not saying theres anything wrong with it im just trying to figure out where 800 hours goes here

[gritty zealot]

does a human deserve less love if he is less useful to others?

[zealous urchin]

this is dangerous line of questioning

[minor owl]

if its a factory i know will be obseleced in one tier im probably not gonna decorate it cause ill just remake it in 20 hours

but i guess if youre spending hundreds of hours per tier its worth it

[gritty zealot]

exploring, collecting, finding hidden areas, building train lines, creating blueprints, spreadsheets, mapping out the entire map and every single ore etc

[minor owl]

how are you planning the use of every single ore when you dont know what half of them are really for yet though?

[broken quarry]

does the pod return time extend over time?

[zealous urchin]

depends on the milestone, more complex ones take more time

[gritty zealot]

im currently planning to colonise every single ore node on the planet, then every single ore node has a train line which brings it to one mega factory, from there i have one singular place with every ore in the game where i can do whatever i want

[minor owl]

wont that require you to replace everything multiple times over as you unlock better miners/belts

[broken quarry]

waiting 4 minutes sucks I can't imagine how long it takes later game

[gritty zealot]

correct

[minor owl]

including increasing the sizes of stations and trains to account for higher throughput

[gritty zealot]

as you can see, spending a lot of time doesnt bother me

[zealous urchin]

14, sometimes more

[minor owl]

fair i suppose

i would warn you about lag with this design though

[zealous urchin]

shipping raw ore makes no sense tho

[minor owl]

monolithic megafactories are notoriously way more laggy than having a bunch of separate factories which bring their stuff completed to your base

[gritty zealot]

it will be as optimised as possible, as all things should be

[gritty zealot]

i might smelt them before they get there

[minor owl]

yeah but then what about steel and aluminium and stuff with more complex smelting

[zealous urchin]

at some point u will discover "pure" ingots and then bulk increases even more

[gritty zealot]

at the mega factory

[minor owl]

not to mention the alloy recipes if you need to subsidise something like caterium or copper

[gritty zealot]

ill figure that all out when i get there

[minor owl]

with the presumably 274236 hard drives you have you probably have a lot of them unlocked already

[zealous urchin]

transporting fluids in wagons unpacked is extremly bad too

[minor owl]

25km pipe

unless you wanna make some sort of packaging system where you train out packages to each fluid node to pack them before bringing them back which does sound fun but a nightmare to balance properly without overfilling your system with packages

[zealous urchin]

its not that bad

packages stay and are in a closed loop

[minor owl]

for every fluid node on the map though....

[minor owl]

yeah but youd probably still need tens of thousands for full throughput from the entire map

[broken quarry]

how do i split my iron? so I get enough plates rods and screws.

[zealous urchin]

idk i dont want to be a hater

[minor owl]

im not being a hater im simply questioning how to solve logistic challenges

[zealous urchin]

didnt mean u

[ocean frost]

Not really

Gas is more efficient packaged and then unpacked

[minor owl]

thats what theyre saying

[ocean frost]

Liquids like fuel don't make much of a difference

[minor owl]

tbh i feel like i could handle the bad throughput of fluid trains if it just didnt have the annoying 25s pause every time a train arrives

[ocean frost]

That's very true

You can always plan for the downtime

[minor owl]

its extremely hard to properly account for though, cause you have to math out the full train trip and how much downtime you're going to have

then you realise you need another wagon so you add it but now the train is slower so your time has to all be recalculated

[ocean frost]

Yes and no

You start with how much you need and work backwards from there

[minor owl]

yeah but train throughput depends on how long the trip is, which you can only know by measuring it

and to measure it you need to pick an amount of wagons to bring so you get the full time of load/unload, but then if it turns out from that trip time that you're going to need another wagon you'll have to time another trip incase the train is slower

[ocean frost]

Measuring how long a loop takes is the easy part

You can add 20% for traffic

Adding another train half's the trip time 🙂

[minor owl]

ok well fair, but it also doesnt double the throughput because now you have 50s of unloading downtime

[broken quarry]

I can't figure out how to plan my new factory I have 3 iron nodes but I need to finish phase 2

[minor owl]

depending on how much youre transporting you might literally lose throughput from a second train

[ocean frost]

Nope

[minor owl]

what?

do you mean just a second engine?

[ocean frost]

A second train

[silk ocean]

Do you turn fog off? (r.fog 0 in the console)... seems much better XD

[mortal ginkgo]

ew

[minor owl]

a second train means another 25s unloading downtime though

which means less total time spent drawing fluid from the station

therefore reduced throughput unless your one train was too slow to always keep fluid in the end station's tanks

[minor owl]

looks weird and contrasty

[ocean frost]

A fluid station max unload 896.5259619 fluid /min it takes it 1 min 45 sec's to do it

that incluides the downtime

[silk ocean]

#screenshots message
At least can actually see all of the nuclear plant xD

[minor owl]

okay, but a second train will add another downtime?

[ocean frost]

the station will be down if its empty

you only add another train if the trip time is too high

[minor owl]

yes, that's what im saying

but it's still diminishing returns since each new train reduces the max theoretical throughput of the station

so realistically the best solution is just add more wagons

[ocean frost]

having an extra 25 seconds is better than having the station empty for 1 minuite wating for the train to loop back

[minor owl]

of course, but you could also just add another wagon to the train to get the total throughput

[ocean frost]

extra wagons work too

[silk ocean]

Plutonium Rods don't last as long as I imagined, but it is 6250MW at least

Don't ask me why I thought it could be less xD

[broken quarry]

Im so lost, I feel like Im not making enough of anything and then merging it with assemblers freaks me out?

should I make one of everything? or just build factories for specific parts?

[zealous urchin]

feelings can be deceiving

[dense violet]

decide on a final output - create a factory for it. Keep it simple if you're getting a bit lost

[broken quarry]

so dont just make piles of plates rods and screws?

[mild shale]

No, build to a goal

[dense violet]

not unless you're really right at the start of the game

what tier you at/

[broken quarry]

need two more modules for tier 2

[dense violet]

riiight ok then don't stress at all - tiers 1-2 are basically a pre tutorial

you'll probably rip everything up once you have automated power

[broken quarry]

so just build however until auto power?

[dense violet]

yeah just slap things together anda learn the basics

[ocean frost]

Build in a way you find fun, exploration is also very powerfull early game.

[broken quarry]

I mean ive explored a bit Ive got 3 copper nodes 5 iron nodes and 3 suflur nodes

[ocean frost]

I more so meant crash sites

[broken quarry]

oh yea I found one of those

[ocean frost]

they also have lots of resources like Plates that can help make building easier

[zealous urchin]

broskis
sati speedrun is 8 hours

[dense violet]

exploration is soft locked by the early equipment you create for yourself. A lot of it I think is after the first phase in tiers 3/4

without the basic gear, zip line, blade runners , guns, inhalers exploration can be really dangerous

with it? not too hard

like it's totally possible to do it, but it'll be a challenge 🙂

[zealous urchin]

exploration is so annoying

[broken quarry]

oof, Im almost starting tier 3, thats where oil is right 🙏 ??

[dense violet]

that's 5
3 is coal power

coal power is great.

[broken quarry]

its atleast automated right?

[dense violet]

just plug 2 raw resources into gens and power them

[broken quarry]

awesome can't wait!

[dense violet]

game totally changes with automated power. Also, build everything on foundations at that point 😛

[broken quarry]

im already using foundations but getting to the nearest coal is gonna take ages

[dense violet]

did you start in the grassy fields?

[broken quarry]

yea

[dense violet]

mild spoiler - go north north west, you'll find a lake with 4 coal nodes. Keep your closer coal for steel

[zealous urchin]

opposite of gatekeep

[ivory condor]

the lake north west of grass field is great for coal, both coal and water, perfect for a coal plant in early game for grass field biome

[compact flicker]

If yall needed 1,650.012/min of a resource, would you do 1,650 or >1,650?

[drowsy kelp]

Where’s the .008 coming from

[broken quarry]

I remember having to run a coal conveyer 1000m to get back to my base

but that was the first time I played

[ocean frost]

every few days just hand mine 100 and throw it into the pile

[buoyant veldt]

Ah, first time players always thinking they need their power in the same place as their production.

[tender ermine]

There's a spot north east east too with (I believe) 4 coal nodes and 4 iron nodes that's great for steel too
It's near to some oil nodes too so already having infrastructure there can help with that

[compact flicker]

Console players cant fine tune overclock, only target amount, and it was either 1650.012 or 1649.976

[ocean frost]

it not worth worring about, we have production targets to meet

[drowsy kelp]

Those numbers hurt to look at

[tender ermine]

Is the 1650 being fed into something that'll then feed into something else? If so there's no reason to make more of it than 1650 or it'd just back up

[sterile blade]

I always prefer to make more.
Reasoning: if I want to achieve perfect efficiency, I can just sink all overflows; if I was underproducing that wouldn't be enough to smooth out production

[compact flicker]

Compacted coal for my turbofuel plant

[compact flicker]

Yeah I was just thinkin that, that's what I'll do

[tender ermine]

You should just be able to do 1650, the 0.012 isn't really going to change anything other than how often machines are on if you sink it

[silk ocean]

Console seems very restrictive... no (in-game) console? can't edit/load saves into SCIM, can't fine tune.. eek xD

[compact flicker]

The only "fine tuning" I can do is target rate, and only to the second decimal

[silk ocean]

Hmm 🤔

[compact flicker]

We can't even get -10 or 10 in the colour settings 😭 😭

[broken quarry]

breh tier 3 is crazy this space elvator is gonna take ages

[silk ocean]

I basically no nothing about consoles so i'm learning xD

[compact flicker]

Once we get K&M support, we should be able to fine tune everything. But Microsoft ans Sony have to approve it first for some reason

[sterile blade]

Satisfactory?
More like Barelyfactory on console

[silk ocean]

Fingers crossed soon™

Seems odd they have to approve that lol

[broken quarry]

really? I had native support when submitting my apps to the xbox store but that was 3 years ago?

[zealous urchin]

pineapple pizza man

[grizzled lotus]

I hate how 90% of the time when I see my production chain not at full efficiency it's because of SCREWS

[sterile blade]

Seems in line with their obsession over control

[tender ermine]

?

[broken quarry]

I haven't touched the asembler yet lol and my screw production is so low

its gonna take ages to get the materials needed for coal

[tender ermine]

Oh you did mean tier

[compact flicker]

Worlds first

[broken quarry]

yea gotta do phase 1

then unlock tier 3 but I assume its assembler heavy

[tender ermine]

They said space elevator I thought they meant phase

[ivory condor]

unfortunately even with mk6 belts, screws are easily the single biggest bottleneck, because of how easily even 1200/min can become fully saturated

[compact flicker]

Luckily with the right alts you can totally ignore screws!

[ivory condor]

ideally you want to make the screws as close to the machines as possible or directly feeding into each machine via direct belt inserting, because how much screws recipes require

[tender ermine]

Quite, yeah
Once you have coal and steel infrastructure it mostly falls into place
Just make sure you have a good production of reinforced iron plates

[ivory condor]

or alternatively i like to try to get rid of screws all togther, so i can clearer manifold design, as its hard to do manifolds with recipes that require a metric ton of screws

[tender ermine]

Stitched iron plates my beloved
It does make SCIM give me 2.87x assemblers and stuff but eh

That could also be iron wire's fault

[broken quarry]

Im already at 5 bio mass burners and cant get bio mass fast enough

[hard ivy]

I strongly advise against using SCIM's calculator lol
Literally everything else is better

[tender ermine]

I don't really follow the factory planner, it just gives me an idea of how much input I need and that's all I take

It's nice to know the power draw

[tender ermine]

Chainsaw?

[hard ivy]

My point still stands.

Unless you use all defaults, the inputs depend on recipes. SCIM doesn't deal with choosing them particularly well

As for the power draw, I haven't been able to confirm how it calculates it, because it's always a bit off from it should be

[sterile blade]

It's the only planner that can output wrong results. That's all I'm gonna say 🤷‍♂️

[tender ermine]

A rough estimates all I need for now so it's working fine, I do all the inputs and stuff myself

[broken quarry]

4 bio mass rods per machine 5 machines 20 rods oer minute thats 200 every 10 minutes I can barely manage that lol

[sterile blade]

Bolted Plate enjoyers: 🍿

[tender ermine]

That shouldn't be too bad with wood into two assemblers to make solid biofuel and feeding it with a chainsaw
I was using 6 biomass burners like that so it shouldn't be unmanageable

[grizzled lotus]

I just made all the parts necessary for modular engines, just need to put down the assembler and noticing how unorganized stuff is

I'm starting to think all those really neat factories just aren't practical due to how much planning is required

more of an aesthetic thing

[ocean frost]

You get better the more you play

[zealous urchin]

if u hand out free popcorn id say i enjoy it

[ocean frost]

You find out what ratios you need and learn belting tips and tricks to make it look nicer

[grizzled lotus]

true. a picture of my double stator thing for modular engines #screenshots message

[compact flicker]

Not having enough coal or sulfer at blue crater was not on my turbofuel powerplant bingo list

[minor owl]

i looked that up the other day, i literally cannot comprehend how that's possible tbh

[broken quarry]

you right I just built a quick 6 bio mass burner setup lol see if that works

[zealous urchin]

bro is teleporting with hub rebuild respawn

inside of walls too

the one i looked up was on peacful mode, otherwise it wouldnt fly

[minor owl]

even with all that like the amount of factories for different stuff thats basically mandatory boggles the mind

probably cant use alt recipes either

[broken quarry]

30k bio mass should be enough to get me through tier 3 right?

[minor owl]

yes lmao

thats likely way overkill, it'll become largely obselete the second you get a coal plant online

[broken quarry]

thats gonna be a while I havent even touched assemblers yet

Ive been making rotors and plates by hand

[minor owl]

oh yeah i did that for a good while

i think i genuinely handcrafted rotors for my initial coal plant cause i couldnt be bothered making a rotor factory

having automated power just makes life so much easier

[broken quarry]

just wish there was a better way to manage wires

[minor owl]

i would at least make a reinforced plate automation line though

can just cannibalise your existing rods/plates line; you'll never need that many of them

[minor owl]

there are wall sockets and stuff in the awesome shop if youve unlocked it

[broken quarry]

I might but making screws is such a pain I have 3 nodes making regular plates right now

[minor owl]

you absolutely do not need that many plates

that many nodes should be enough for all of plates/rods/screws/reinforced plates at least

[broken quarry]

there impure

[minor owl]

oh

[broken quarry]

so production is so slow with mk1 miners

[minor owl]

i would probably advise finding normal or pure nodes then, impure nodes reeeeeeallly suck

[broken quarry]

oh they're not its my other 2 nodes

[minor owl]

ah ok

[broken quarry]

so how do I make all these without hitting a bottlekneck?

[minor owl]

impure nodes really hurt early on because you get way less production but the miners still use the same amount of power, which is painful when you just have biomass

[ocean frost]

Just don't cling to one node like its the girl of your dreams either

[broken quarry]

yea I got lucky with 3

[minor owl]

there shouldnt be too much of one other than screws on a mk2 belt, but that many screws should be well enough for all the reinforced plates youll ever want

[zealous urchin]

she is the one bro trust

[silk ocean]

The one caterium

[broken quarry]

thats confusing how do I manage each node without making sphagetti 😭 2 smelters per node? then go from there?

[zealous urchin]

raven spam

[minor owl]

probably belt each node together into one place so you can have a single organised factory for all the basic parts

unless they're super far apart which I assume they aren't

[broken quarry]

wont that bottle kneck me tho?

since Im will be making too many

oh well with mk2 belts maybe not

[minor owl]

yeah exactly

split a mk2 into two mk1s if you need

but you should be able to afford a mk2 out of the miners at least

[ocean frost]

nornally you leave room to expand, a node gets 2x at MK2 and 4x at MK3 plus an ectra 2.5x with shards

have a row of 2 but leave room for 6 more for later if you need it.

[silk ocean]

There should be LIZARD_CATS™

[broken quarry]

so this is bad?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1450041793617072170/image.png?ex=69411828&is=693fc6a8&hm=b685557bbd9edcf5594c069056c5ce963f1e213bb2f4cef3db20ddc738f74305&

[ocean frost]

not when you are starting out

[broken quarry]

Im going to have 9 smelters in total

[zealous urchin]

eek of max

[minor owl]

sounds about right yeah

[gray hill]

imo when starting out I always reccomend to play the game without worrying about optimisation or anything, then once you know the ropes really well then focus on optimisation and effiicency etc

[minor owl]

well, depends on how much youre trying to make really, but 9 smelters should cover quite a lot of production

[gray hill]

I found it best to learn from my mistakes which helped me a lot late game

[zealous urchin]

fax, give this man a golden nugget

[ocean frost]

Keep going dont let perfect be the enemy of good

as tou play you will learn plan better

dont solve problems that dont exist

[broken quarry]

Its taking a lot to rewire my brain to not be a perfectionist

[ocean frost]

place them on foundations

[zealous urchin]

in satisfactory ur main opponent is urself as u are battling constantly ur own personality

[broken quarry]

lmao

[round crown]

i hate when things aren't symmetrical

[ivory condor]

ewww the fact you have foundations but the smelters are still on the dirt

[ocean frost]

put it into a box and hide yout shame

[round crown]

drives me insane

[rocky scarab]

building in someone else's world often breaks the deadlock for me

there i can lay down spagget with no worries

[ocean frost]

should come with a trigger warning

[broken quarry]

so of these 3/3/3 plates, rods, screws?

[zealous urchin]

sounds like sabotage

[round crown]

because its not your world so you aren't looking at it 24/7 and can pass it as there work

[ocean frost]

Cobalt gets PTSD when he sees a buffer or valve

[minor owl]

i mean you can do all the math to figure out what makes the optimal amounts of whatever you want, or you can just do whatever

theres no right answer to how much is the perfect amount of plates/rods/screws

[round crown]

colbalt told me not to use valves.......i genuinely think there bad now

[zealous urchin]

time to start screenshot uploading service called Only Valves

[broken quarry]

so do I just feed them into storage containers?

[ocean frost]

i would love that

[minor owl]

the plates/rods/screws?

[round crown]

are you plotting his downfall?

[gray hill]

what are wrong with vales😭

[minor owl]

pipe

[zealous urchin]

when my bro said "lets not save the world, lets Fics it"

[round crown]

to be honest i do not know

[broken quarry]

yea each into a seperate container

[round crown]

i was just told not to use them

[minor owl]

yeah thats what id do

[round crown]

so im not using them

[ocean frost]

You dont need them but they can have uses

[gray hill]

im so confused i have buffers and valves in one system to act as a reserve for my fuel supply

[broken quarry]

I keep telling myself I just have to do it and stop overthinking

[round crown]

like?

[minor owl]

its really just because pipes are insanely jank and valves do not at all work how youd expect them to work in a lot of the situations where youd think theyd be useful

[zealous urchin]

im innocent!

[hard ivy]

Cause more issues than they solve. Because they just cause issues, never actually solve anything

[dense violet]

Valves can easily cause flow issues depending how they are used

[round crown]

so they don't work by limiting the amount of fluid going into one direction so I, can use the excess elsewhere?

[round crown]

there he is!

[rocky scarab]

in my experience they work ok with gasses but i never use them for liquids

[round crown]

i was abt to ping you

[minor owl]

they do do that but never how youd expect them to

[gray hill]

wait in my reserve i have a 4x4 grid of buffers each line is connected to the buffer infront of it and has a buffer, but for some reason the first most line doesnt competely fill is it cause of the valves?

[minor owl]

because the flow never works how youd expect it to

[ocean frost]

There is that water tower headlift trick

[round crown]

soooooo........they don't REALLLY do that

[round crown]

i have no idea what that even is

my water does need to go up tho

[minor owl]

pump

[round crown]

ye ik

[gray hill]

if you build a water tower (pipes going up really high) and you build it higher than the highest point where your pipes will go, you dont need pumps at all

[ocean frost]

Pump but it was just an abuse of the way headkift was calculated

[minor owl]

like... entirely disconnected from the entire pipe network or just somewhere randomly on the network

[dense violet]

I would have to see an overhead layout 🙂

[ivory condor]

water tower is clearly intended for how fluid is supposed to work, literally no need for pumps anywhere once your water tower is full

[round crown]

what.

[gray hill]

would have to be connected to the pipe network for it to work. basically what most people do is they build the water tower near the source of the liquid/gas so that way its out of sight and out of mind

[dense violet]

It does, you just need to follow the basics 🙂

[round crown]

anyway, off-topic convo is there a reason i can't use emojis from other servers in here? 😭

[ivory condor]

trust me you get used to how janky mk2 pipes are

[gray hill]

okay lets say at your factory, the highest point where the pipes will go is 100m. At the source of the liquid/gas build up 120m (doesnt have to be 120 just has to be >100) then you connect the pipes all the way up there and then you bring it down and run the connection to your factory. this means you do not need to place pumps at all in ur factory

[round crown]

so it does or it doesn't? valves would certainly save me the trouble of doing exact amounts

[round crown]

mk2 pipes are janky?

[ivory condor]

yep ever try using a mk2 manifold at the 600mk3 limit

[dense violet]

Water towers are a thing, and unlikely to break your system

But it’s jumping through a bunch of hoops and connections when you can just slap basically free pumps down

They basically run off an exploit

[hard ivy]

It could be because of buffers too. It's best to avoid those too

[round crown]

yea im good

[ivory condor]

because the results arent going to be what you expect, assuming you do what is a normal mk2 pipe manifold,

[hard ivy]

I try plenty of times and almost always succeed

[dense violet]

They aren’t, pipes have behaviours of back flow that show up more at higher flows

[round crown]

i don't know what ELSE you would do. pipe balancer sounds so insane to be

is that even a thing?

[gray hill]

I thought those back flows were created by dead ends? or side connections at intersections being full?

[ivory condor]

trust m that isnt going to end well either

[round crown]

that doesn't sound like iso they're just more annoying to use

[dense violet]

Technically? Maybe.
Reliably? Not really

[ivory condor]

because you can try to pipe balancers with valves but it so isnt worth doing at all...

[round crown]

might as well say its not a thing

[ivory condor]

valves in this game in exist but the valves are so very useless indeed

[dense violet]

You just have to keep tidy piping and simple set ups, then 600 flow isn’t hard

[round crown]

this is why manifolds are better!! i have never tried load balencing and i don't plan to.....yet

[ivory condor]

dont worry though plenty of mk2 pipe jank exists even without balancers

[minor owl]

yeah but the definition of "tidy piping and simple setups" is not like at all clear unless you actually understand how pipes work

[silk ocean]

Literally can't make enough Trigons xD

[minor owl]

something that someone might think is pretty simple and straightfoward might entirely break, and you also might be in a situation where you need something that isnt just simple

[ivory condor]

the bad thing is the game explains nothing actually of how pipes actually work, people commonly come in here having done a regular mk2 pipe manifold and are wondering why it isnt working properly

so to say it isnt clear is pretty accurate, the game basically tells you nothing of how to actually use mk2 pipes properly, which is sad....

[minor owl]

its not just that is isn't explained, its that even understanding how it works things still break easily, because how it works makes no sense

[dense violet]

Nah it’s easy

Have pipes go from A to B, no splits or merges

Don’t branch the manifold

Don’t have elevation changes within the manifold

Loop the input pipes

Avoids 99% of issues

[ivory condor]

I know tell me about it, even now pipes can still do things i dont understand why, especially the black magic that remains junctions, that still is pure magic of how it actually works....

[dense violet]

Needs a proper wiki page yeah

[round crown]

wdym by branch? like add another pipeline going elsewhere?

[dense violet]

Essentially

[minor owl]

so true, just underclock all your power plants to one water pump's worth

[dense violet]

You can still have manifolds feeding multiple machines…

[ivory condor]

and the best I have come across for even pipe junctions, is each side has its own special rule, which is impossible to tell from ingame, so everytime you setup a junction, your just praying the junction is going to work how you expect, which is at best a roll of the dice, so thats fun

[minor owl]

you said no splits or merges

do you see what i mean by it is not at all clear what "simple" means?

[dense violet]

Away from the Point B

[zealous urchin]

it would work but only top down and it needs gymnastics

[round crown]

i really don't get why junctions just split it evenly

[dense violet]

Don’t have Point A going to B and C. Just B

[silk ocean]

I have reached an OfficialConclusion™ -- there is not enough SAM in the world xD

[ivory condor]

idk ask the devs....

[minor owl]

okay, but is point B one machine or can it be multiple? is that B or B, C, and D

[dense violet]

Multiple, in one grouping

[zealous urchin]

bro is on truing streak

[ivory condor]

instead we get junctions that each side has its own special rule, and its impossible to know from ingame which side is going to have which rule applied to it, so thats fun

[round crown]

yea fluids suck

[dense violet]

Eh you’ll learn the basics. You’re already doing ok with them

[ivory condor]

and you dont know what rules are being applied until the system is working and its either working as you expect, because the rules are working how you want, or you ended up hooking up the wrong side of the junction and your getting the rule you dont want and those the wrong behavior and those the entire pipe setup is broke and you have to rebuild, i have had to do this plenty of times

[minor owl]

having a bunch of rules under which it just works is all well and good, but you shouldnt have to follow a whole bunch of arbitrary rules just to get water through a pipe which really should be incredibly simple

[round crown]

we are getting somewhere. i decided to just have each row be exact. it looks a little uneven unless i add mor refiners and just underclock them but it functions

[hard ivy]

By like 5x

[round crown]

should function anyway

[round crown]

i should prob get sam being made

[zealous urchin]

how come no1 ever talks about jump pads

[dense violet]

Not sure why it’s arbitrary?
It’s all based on

1. Liquids flow to the most empty pipe section
2. Liquids prefer flowing down

Complex behavior from simple rules

[round crown]

i used them onve,didn't like them so i never used them again

[silk ocean]

Definitely needed if getting into Ficsonium

[ivory condor]

I personally miss update 2, back when all fluids moved via belts

[round crown]

that.....was a thing?

[hard ivy]

Good news! You can still do that

[zealous urchin]

that fisconium requirements are ridiculous

[ivory condor]

pipes were a fun idea to add to the game, if not one that wasnt thought from all of the way and now we have mk2 pipe jank and junctions that are black magic for understanding how it works

[minor owl]

"don't make a branch ever" is an incredibly arbitrary rule

[round crown]

haven't even touched that

[hard ivy]

Keep it that way

[silk ocean]

Fairly late game stuff

I am slightly regretting my life choices getting into it

[round crown]

i mean i have most of tier 8 unlocked

[zealous urchin]

aura loss detected

[ivory condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIEnhYio0VQ

[hard ivy]

Ficsonium is the very last milestone of Tier 9

[ivory condor]

pipes we put into the game in update 3, before it was all belts

[round crown]

ohhhhhhhhhhhh yea never touching that

[round crown]

how tf did oil extracters make barrels

[hard ivy]

You still want that milestone for mk6 belts. They're in the same milestone for some reason

[silk ocean]

Can be done then xD

[ivory condor]

because it just works😎

[round crown]

well its going to be quite a while before phase 4 done

[silk ocean]

Problem is you can't burn Plutonium without doing Ficsonium.. So either you sink the Plutonium Rods and just live happily ever after, or go the whole hog

[round crown]

like at least another 100 hours

[dense violet]

No - fluid can flow backwards at the junction when a gap is made

[round crown]

thats for nuclear right

[silk ocean]

Yea

[ivory condor]

it works the same way copper wire has a wooden roll in the center of it and still does

[hard ivy]

You can. Just store the waste. It's pretty doable

[round crown]

you know,you have a great point there

[ivory condor]

do you not wonder how copper ingots magically has wood given to the rolls, where does the wood come from

[silk ocean]

I kinda don't like the idea of a solution that can't run indefinitely

[dense violet]

And you can work around it that rule. I just include it for the

keep it simple stupid playbook

[minor owl]

which you could logically assume can be solved by a valve except you cant

[round crown]

also how long can power be ran before your storage gets full of the waste

[dense violet]

Powered pump

[ivory condor]

yeah there is alot of stuff in the game like this, like how does screws have what is essentially a plastic container for the screws and thats iron, so where does that plastic come from to

[minor owl]

even though forcing flow one way is explicitly the purpose of a valve

[dense violet]

Valves only let a certain % of fluid through based on how full the pipe is

Safer to use a pump

[rocky scarab]

Stacks of 500 and a single reactor produces 2.5/m soo a pretty long time with fairly few bins

[ivory condor]

the more you look at stuff in the game from the right perspective it raises alot of questions, copper wire that has wooden rolles, screws that somehow has a plastic container for it, despite the fact its only made with iron

[hard ivy]

Depends how big of a storage you build. 1 ISC lasts ~100 minutes at 1.19 TW

[zealous urchin]

when u suddenly remember that valves apply to % of throughput and not to throughouput itself

[round crown]

got it

[zealous urchin]

[minor owl]

the ficsonium countdown timer

[ivory condor]

the purpose of valves is actually to limit flow only in one direction and to prevent backflow, but its such a poor overall design, that i basically never use valves, even for its intended purpose

[minor owl]

yes thats what im saying

[round crown]

@hard ivy you know how you told me to use power storage to store power and jumpstart my power......i would need like 50 power storages at least for JUST the refiners

[ivory condor]

because limiting flow rate even for a section of pipe is very very rarely useful

[round crown]

are we sure thats the BEST solution

well easiest

[hard ivy]

50 isn't that many at all?

[ivory condor]

i would say i for the most part never use valves myself anywhere

[minor owl]

placing a valve with no flow rate limitations should just ensure everything goes forwards which youd think would solve a lot of pipe unreliability but it doesnt really help

[ivory condor]

valves imo unless you have a very specific use case, generally are just useless for the designs i typically do

[round crown]

i'd need close to 100 to power everything.....but that's still alot

[hard ivy]

It would help if you could place a valve on every single connection between 2 volumes. Except you can't put a valve between a pipe and a junction

[round crown]

how many power storages do you have anyway

[ivory condor]

right and that for me just kills what possible real use i could actually get for valves

[hard ivy]

Currently? 0. Because I plan my power plants properly XD.

Used to have 3k on one save and 10k on another

[ivory condor]

like if i could actually control the flow between two volumes, which having sections of pipe that i cant control, it would actually be useful, but atm that just isnt a thing

[round crown]

do you add on as you go? cuz then how do you jumpstart it?

[ivory condor]

oh well i have given up on valves anyways, cool idea, very limited applications

[dense violet]

If the pipes are always totally full? Sure that will probably happen. Pump is safer

[round crown]

i never touched them and from the looks of it never will

[ivory condor]

yeah you probably see what i mean to then

[hard ivy]

I mean if you have a machine producing x and another machine consuming x and nothing else on that pipeline, you could use valves to actually force flow to only go forwards. But as soon as you place 1 junction, you can't.

[hard ivy]

I build a new power plant while I still have spare power to start it

[zealous urchin]

real, seems unmanagable atm
need to split them essentialy

[dense violet]

like, Mcgalleon did some testing with putting valve before a manifold and on every input and got some stable results instead of using a pipe loop

however he couldn't come up with anything solid that it was a more reliable method

[ivory condor]

right but valves cant be used that way.....

it would be nice if you could force fluid to only go in one direction via valves, but atm thats just impossible

[round crown]

see i built my power plant like away from my current power plant but same area, so it needs the same oil nodes.....and the refiners and blenders for the turbo fuel are above it so its gotta be destroyed anyway

[broken quarry]

ok I need help now

[hard ivy]

It is. If you put a valve on every single connection. Which you can do if the pipe has no junctions

[broken quarry]

I just finished up 9 smelters to make screws rods and plates (3 each) but what do I do now?

[mild shale]

I'd focus on milestones to unlock stuff and then work on your project assembly

[broken quarry]

so just manufacter to my next milestone?

[hard ivy]

Should've used different nodes then. I never remove my old power plants. Except maybe coal ones when I want the coal for steel. But I only do that if the coal plant provides insignificant amounts of power

[mild shale]

I'm not sure exactly where you're at, but I usually went one by one with the milestones while also working on the project assembly stuff

[broken quarry]

tier 2 just finished need phase 1 of the space elevator

[mild shale]

You can always just explore the world too. Plenty of goodies out there to find.

[round crown]

In my defense this is my first real playthrough. I didn't know that was a bad idea

[hard ivy]

Well now you know lol

We've all been there at some point

[minor owl]

basically just work on milestones, project assembly parts, and anything you think youd find it convenient to have automated

[zealous urchin]

is this mewing streak?

[mild shale]

Gotcha. You're still pretty early game so just work on what you want and try not to get overwhelmed.

[broken quarry]

how many assemblers can a mk1 belt handle?

[hard ivy]

Depends on the consumption? From 0 to 1000s, basically

[dense violet]

depends how many parts per min the assemblers call for

don't do math by machine numbers. It'll screw you over later.

[zealous urchin]

every assembler underclocked to 1%

[dense violet]

no, we are all marv

[zealous urchin]

this confuses my identity

[hard ivy]

Ok, the slowest assembler recipe uses 0.5/min of 1 item. At 1%, that's 12000 assemblers on one mk1 belt

[broken quarry]

how do I split a sing conveyer into multiples easily for my assmebler?

[minor owl]

splitter

[round crown]

Anyway how do I salvage this

[round crown]

SMART SPLITTERS

I love smart splitters

[broken quarry]

don't have them yet lol

[round crown]

There the single best thing in this game

[hard ivy]

Splitters?

[hard ivy]

Power storage is probably the easiest solution atp

[broken quarry]

yea but how do I do that without getting messy since assemblers need to be side by side

[hard ivy]

One above the other or clip belts through belts

[minor owl]

✨ manifolds ✨

a conveyor in a line past the assemblers with splitters splitting off it into the machines

[hard ivy]

Or you can be like me
https://imgur.com/a/iFWhtmW#swczeXD

[minor owl]

it does look nice

i dont like clipping like that though

[dense violet]

just regular splitters like normal

[zealous urchin]

after i realized u can put mergers/splitters on conveyor lifts am never going back

it saves so much space and solves some issues

[minor owl]

yeah, that is new to be fair

and i dont know how i lived without it

[zealous urchin]

that was not living, just surviving but now we thriving

[dense violet]

I would trust putting mergers/splitters on lifts as much as putting splitters and mergers on regular belts.
Not very much

[minor owl]

what on earth did splitters ever do wrong

[zealous urchin]

one day stars will burn themselves and whole universe will be unobservable

[dense violet]

putting splitters/mergers/junctions directly onto pipes/belts can cause issues like hiding small segments within the objects

[zealous urchin]

im not capping bro, it does work without issues

[dense violet]

if you ahve to put one directly on a logistics, rebuild the connection

[minor owl]

does that actually cause any issues though?

[dense violet]

I'm sure it works exactly as well as placing it on a regular belt or pipe. Not all the time.

[dense violet]

oh absolutely.

it's not common

but if you're not familiar with it it's hard to find

[zealous urchin]

noo, belt dsnt work, conveyor lift does

[silk ocean]

My attempts at architecture could affectionately be described as an uninspired pile of brutalist trash xD

[minor owl]

better than like 90% of factories

[silk ocean]

I'm not so sure lawl

xD

My precious.... square building

[zealous urchin]

and what does this tell about ur relationship with agression?

[minor owl]

lmao

[zealous urchin]

are u in contact with ur own emotions?

[silk ocean]

I am resigned and agnostic to building related agression xD

[rocky scarab]

honestly big box on a smaller box is always a winner

[broken quarry]

I mean its not pretty butttt https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1450058781445718117/image.png?ex=694127fa&is=693fd67a&hm=5a19c5c032e7bf3e1ad0add3c0fb85d12323172569ae4c08360b5ab3dd79e8ae&

[rocky scarab]

aint no way that merger actually works

[minor owl]

yknow when you said the assemblers go side by side i did not think you meant like that

but its not bad if it works

[zealous urchin]

[broken quarry]

got about 15k screws in storage

time to make use of them

[hard ivy]

Yeah, no, it doesn't. Unless there's a glitch I haven't seen

[minor owl]

yeah but how many are you producing constantly

[zealous urchin]

[broken quarry]

160/m?

[minor owl]

WHAT

[zealous urchin]

i guess one could say im just screwing around or smth

[minor owl]

damn i guess you got the infinite screw factory

[broken quarry]

is that a lot?

[minor owl]

i mean, if its in the middle of a production line no, but if its the end of a dedicated screw factory its waaaay more than youll ever need

[broken quarry]

wait wait wait....... the screws are a lie where does the plastic come from?????

[minor owl]

ada has been very generous

imagine if you had to belt every individual screw

[broken quarry]

is there a way to copy and paste parts of my factory?

[minor owl]

you will unlock the blueprinter in a few tiers

[broken quarry]

breh

[silk ocean]

Trains keep randomly colliding around the world at intersections, I wonder if the server is struggling to keep up

[broken quarry]

all this work and Im only making 10 plates per minutes ..

[silk ocean]

lol

That was a savage 3-trainwreck.... One loco was 100m away on its side on the beach

Could have landed on a lizard doggo

[minor owl]

thats entirely enough

you wont need any more than that, other than the ones you use for other resources like cubes

[hard ivy]

At least until you start building foundations

[minor owl]

this is reinforced plates

making things look nice is the easiest way to multiply your playtime by 5

[hard ivy]

Plates ≠ reinforced plates

Though ig that's a more of a note for them rather than you

Because when I read "plates" I don't think about reinforced ones

[zealous urchin]

i am laughing

at railway network

[minor owl]

man where tf is wet concrete im on my like 30th hard drive

i just wanna build a giant bridge thats all i need it for lol

im nowhere near aluminium

to build a giant bridge

[silk ocean]

#screenshots message

[minor owl]

its blueprinted with a weird fancy design to get a nice shape, but as a result each 5-foundation segment costs over a stack of concrete

ok, but i want to use wet concrete because its more fun

you get more conk per crete its really just good

[hard ivy]

Let's just say I'm not surprised they crashed

[compact flicker]

Cant believe I have to sloop compacted coal -w-

[silk ocean]

lol how come xD

[tranquil moat]

Hello mates, please I need help. Sry if I spamming or if I write it to bad section :/ ... please help me with Smart! mod. I dont know howto open main window. key "M" do nothing. If I remember well there was some alternative key, but I cant find the info about it anywhere :/ ... pls help me howto open that menu. thx

[hard ivy]

The rails don't really cross. They need to physically go straight through each other. Perfectly. Not half a rail off. Always build your intersections on foundations

[minor owl]

i just finished a big compacted coal factory myself

[compact flicker]

All of the coal and sulfer within a reasonable distance of blue crater isn't enough to supply my turbofuel power plant

I need 1,700 of both, which just isn't realistic

[rocky scarab]

there is an alternate for tf that cuts out coal entirely iirc

[minor owl]

that’s why my compacted coal factory has a train to the other side of the world

[silk ocean]

Yeah it's a legacy crappy intersection, I have rebuilt it to "modern" standards
#screenshots message

[compact flicker]

I could set up a train soley for coal and sulfer...

[hard ivy]

Make less TF then. Or just don't

[hard ivy]

Yeah, and it's bad if you're just burning it for power

[compact flicker]

I built the whole processing and power plant before realisng I was gonna be a few hundred short lol

[rocky scarab]

or take it to rocket fuel and you can recover some compacted for recycling?

[compact flicker]

Phase 3 rn

900 oil goes further than I thought it would lol

Not to mention the other 1,350 oil in the immediate area I haven't done anything with yet

[hard ivy]

I could never start building a factory without planning which nodes I'm gonna use

[minor owl]

i was planning to do 900 for my plant, but thought i’d just do 600 “to start with” then finished the math and was horrified

yeah but if you already made a turbofuel factory you could easily convert it

[compact flicker]

This is the first time I've had this issue to this extent lol

I figured there are like 5 veins of each I can tap, so it surely wouldn't be an issue

[minor owl]

i do all my factory planning in windows notepad lmao

[broken quarry]

turns out this assembly line is really inefficient

[minor owl]

what

wdym

yeah, i don’t understand what you mean

[south sinew]

by the time you're diluting fuel it goes crazy

[minor owl]

given they need 1700 compacted coal i assume they are diluting

[placid comet]

Ok I just tried doing 45 degree corner trims. How do people do this shit

[minor owl]

i just spent like 4 hours on that and reached the conclusion that i should simply never attempt it again

it looks half-okay with my regular straight bridge design

but man the clipping

[placid comet]

I've noticed. You kinda have to use concrete or it looks like ass

[broken quarry]

per usual screws are the bane of my existence

[minor owl]

welcome to satisfactory

soon you will dedicate all efforts to their removal from all factories

[hard ivy]

you can get alts to get rid of them entirely. you have to at least have steel for that though

[broken quarry]

alts?

[reef basin]

per usual you're probably building them wrong, they are fine when built right

[minor owl]

scan hard drives from crashsites

[placid comet]

Trying to make 45 degree foundational set ups. The options we have are kinda meant to make 90 degree corners but I'm not satisfied with that

[silk ocean]

This one will make you throw up a little in your mouth - #screenshots message

[broken quarry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1450069655401136209/image.png?ex=6941321a&is=693fe09a&hm=abb0a3c21cddeb7c13a580782302aefa1df5e27f7806bf58b05c55e2bec1e217&

my screws are full in my storage lol

[minor owl]

have you considered placing the assemblers side by side instead of in series

[broken quarry]

whats the benefit of that?

[hard ivy]

what's wrong with that?

[placid comet]

Screws stopped being an issue when I got the alt turning 1 steel beam into 52 screws

[minor owl]

uses way less space, looks neater, easier belting?

[silk ocean]

Technically nothing, just looks a mess xD

[hard ivy]

screws will stop being an issue even more if you get rid of them entirely

[reef basin]

make screws in front of the machine that needs them 😉

[minor owl]

the issue with screws is less that theyre hard to make and more that you need so many of them sometimes that it overloads your belts

[broken quarry]

thats way more logistics than its worth

[reef basin]

that's way less logistics than you have now

[broken quarry]

this early its more

[placid comet]

By the time that becomes an issue you have access to mk3 belts

[minor owl]

it really isn't?

[reef basin]

no, it's really not

[minor owl]

it depends entirely on the scale of factory you're building

[reef basin]

instead of moving screws, move ingots/rods/beams/whatever you're using to make screws.

[minor owl]

yes, you can just do dedicated machines per thing that wants screws

but that looks messy and sucks

[broken quarry]

2 constructors in front of every assembler?

[hard ivy]

no, the real issue with screws is that recipes that use them just suck ass. with literally only one exception

[reef basin]

however many you need

[rocky scarab]

i hate screws but i still think they're the best looking thing on belts

sometimes i have a few running around just for the looks

[broken quarry]

thats insane it would take up way more space? no?

[compact flicker]

Slugs

[reef basin]

they suck ass if you have specific preferences

[broken quarry]

I have 12 constructors running right now just for screws

[minor owl]

theres no reason to do it unless your belt is supersaturated

[reef basin]

that's not an issue tho?

that just sounds like you're playing the game

[rocky scarab]

seems inhumane, i prefer to compact them straight into a little cannister

[broken quarry]

I think if I upgrade to mk2 belts my issues will be solved

[minor owl]

you will need separate belts because a mk1 belt can only supply one reinforced plate assembler

[compact flicker]

Not for production, just on a mk1 belt makinh loops :3

[broken quarry]

yea but..... my issue is this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1450071091929157684/image.png?ex=69413371&is=693fe1f1&hm=4f111c519d736785aa1833e951a0f452020da9e278f0f163bae4dd24fb02fc69&

[reef basin]

no, if you need 1200/min screws, it doesn't matter if you build them somewhere far, or in front of machines, you'll still need same number of machines.

but by building in front of machines, you save yourselfs the logistics of moving tons of screws, instead you move way less intermediates to make those screws on demand

[reef basin]

that's what my suggestion solves for you

[placid comet]

Probably. You can only fit up to 60 things on mk1 belts. Mk2 and especially mk3 onward makes everything so convenient

[minor owl]

yes, you need more belts, and a separate mk1 per reinforced plate assembler or a mk2 split between two

[broken quarry]

thats a tommorow problem

[minor owl]

or do greeny's suggestion because its vastly easier than running 5 belts

[reef basin]

your problem is that you're putting more than 60/min screws on a single belt (or more than 120/min or whatever your belt tier is)

my solution removes the problem, because you don't merge the screws, you make them 1:1 where they are needed

[broken quarry]

I guess that makes sense since rods use less space, its 4:30 am Im off to bed

thanks for the help

[reef basin]

yeah that's one of the advantages 😉 give it a try, you don't have to stick with it 😉

[placid comet]

This. There was a time I made the mistake of merging belts and then split them later. Now I just feed individual belts to where I need them if they have the right output

[idle glen]

is belt lift configurable?

cuz when I look at it a gear icon appears but I cant do anything with it

[silk ocean]

Didn't think it was

[idle glen]

and I want it to go from up to down but I cant make it

it only goes from down to up

[silk ocean]

You can swap it with R during the build process

[idle glen]

oh, thx

[fiery pewter]

Why?

Being able to answer anything from experience?

[silk ocean]

Excitement of everything new again

[fiery pewter]

Fair

[fiery pewter]

-# that is everything past oil power for me, but I get your point

[idle glen]

Im not that new, just havent played in a while

[fiery pewter]

Not if you like, sink everything that overflows even a little

[silk ocean]

All achievs wasn't that hard in Satis

Compared to some games

[fluid sapphire]

achievements make a game into a checklist of chores

[fiery pewter]

If you want to get all achievements it is

About phase 5 Space Elevator parts

Why do we only need exactly 256 AI thingies

Why not a more rounded number

As far as I know, it doesn't need anything finite

[hard ivy]

Oh god I'm imagining 100% challenges is Borderlands 4. (challenges, not achievements)

[silk ocean]

Would give me nightmares xD

2 and 3 were bad enough lawl

[hard ivy]

Not sure what's worse. The phosphenes or using a tediore weapon long enough to get all the manufacturer challenges

[silk ocean]

Hella grind xD

Then again I did spend a year fishing for the turtle mount in WoW xD

[fluid sapphire]

256 is a very round number, its 2 to the power of 8

[silk ocean]

Like 2 hours a day

[mortal tree]

Is cast screws alternate worth it?

[dense violet]

it skips a step.
all recipes have a use

[crude quest]

Absolutely

[hard ivy]

Imo it's a waste of a drive but a lot of people will disagree

[dense violet]

you're less likely to use it later on though. There are other screw recipes

[placid comet]

Kind of. Certain recipes become obsolete once you have others. For example, once you get iron wire, you only really need copper for sheets

[mortal tree]

I probably have 8 impure irons next eachother

[hard ivy]

And copper powder

[mortal tree]

So that's make the cast screws useless?

[placid comet]

I don't believe I have access to that one yet

[hard ivy]

Cast screws don't save resources anyway

[silk ocean]

But never best resto druid xD

I think I have tapped every SAM node now and I need moar

Guess that's all the Ficsonium I'll be making xD

[hard ivy]

Did you spend all of your sloops already?

[silk ocean]

Yea but I'm in the process of reclaiming a load

[hard ivy]

*cough* Factorio *cough*

[hard ivy]

You only need 34 to double all SAM

Though idk if I can count a third of them as "only"

[silk ocean]

Not bad, I'll make it a priority to reclaim more

[reef basin]

if only you could change controls

[hard ivy]

I never have issues with controls in any modern game

-# except Modded Minecraft

[placid comet]

Say, what is that equipment item I keep seeing in videos. Looks like a remote in both hands

[reef basin]

modded minecraft is not a modern game, since 99% of mods run on 1.7

[hard ivy]

Hoverpack probably

[reef basin]

I hate radial selections, so I'd heavily disagree

[hard ivy]

GTNH is still getting updates and is therefore modern

[dense violet]

probably hover pack

[hard ivy]

I don't remember the last time I used a radial menu in SF

[placid comet]

Is that fuel reliant like the jet pack?

[hard ivy]

No, it's worse. It relies on you being near a power connector

[dense violet]

power lines

[reef basin]

it's like immediately when you start the game, where you start pinging resources

[placid comet]

My base is a mess anyway. Between belts and wires, it's spaghetti across the board

[fluid sapphire]

debatable, the range is bad, but its very useful for building, they are just different tools

[dense violet]

It's almost like one is designed for building and the other travel

shocking right?

[fluid sapphire]

right?

[hard ivy]

Like I said, I don't remember the last time I used a radial menu in this game

[fluid sapphire]

thats crazy, radial menus make everything so much easier, particularly for compressing hotbar space

[placid comet]

It works here, though I have played games where the radical menu was horribly done

[reef basin]

I like to use my mouse for targetting things in the world and my keyboard to affect what mouse does

radial menu makes it so that I have to move my mouse from where I want to point because I have to select what I want to do at the place I'm pointing at

[dense violet]

yeah the radial menu in SF is great. You can even right click to change material if that's an option for hte items

[reef basin]

oh I'm not saying it's bad in the game, I just personally don't like the concept of it, no matter where

[hard ivy]

I just repeatedly tap E

[native tapir]

Radial is good for controller only imo

[fluid sapphire]

i do sometimes, but more often than not its easier to just go to what i want directly

[fluid sapphire]

i dont follow, your view is locked in place while a radial menu is open

[placid comet]

These hands were made for controller. If I was told to play with keyboard at point blank, guess I'm screwed

[reef basin]

view? yes
mouse? no

[fluid sapphire]

you dont lift your mouse?

[reef basin]

if I don't use radial menus, I don't need to

[unborn gyro]

mu loverly greeny runs on 386 playing k&m

[fluid sapphire]

i lift mine fairly often regardless so to me it makes no difference

[reef basin]

given that my mouse can reach any of my three screens while still being on the mouse pad I have, I rarely need to lift it

[hard ivy]

I use 6400 DPI. I never lift my mouse XD

[fluid sapphire]

i mean fair enough, if you have giant space for your mouse you get used to it, same way i have got used to having very little space for my mouse over the years

my mousepad has been 25 by 35cm for years

i also use 3 monitors

[reef basin]

no, I have small pad but fast mouse 🙂

[silk ocean]

Well I'm producing enough trigons now to support 5 fully overclocked ficsonium fueled reactors, but that's pretty much the limit without slooping I think

It's only 31.25 GW after all these days of work lawl

[fluid sapphire]

i have been told that i use high sensitivity myself, it takes about 8cm of space to move horizontally across all 3 monitors

[silk ocean]

Is Nuclear even worth it 😄

[fluid sapphire]

i dont lift my wrist mostly, i move and lift my mouse with my fingers

have large hands

[reef basin]

yes (depends on definition of worth)

[silk ocean]

Yours is good too xD

[hard ivy]

that sounds very low for all SAM

[silk ocean]

The droid?

[silk ocean]

I lied about tapping all, haven't done the impures xD

Also I notice it has now backed up so I'm going to scale it up to 8 reactors and see how that fares

[hard ivy]

or you could calculate it

[silk ocean]

Yea, I'll do that now xD

[whole drum]

I used to do this too, and you can build the muscle memory for it--but I switched to larger pad + slower mouse when I wanted to really improve my accuracy for RTS and FPS

Redoing muscle memory sucks, but you do and it works

[fluid sapphire]

i dont play competitive games, and in coop/sp games my aiming is decent already for 90% of cases

[whole drum]

Yeah, it's not needed if you don't require super fast reaction times or play speed

[fluid sapphire]

i do OK with the m1k in DRG 😄

[whole drum]

It's just one of those optimizations when you want to push the limits and shave ms off of interaction times

[fluid sapphire]

thats my peak aim test

i am way too old for competitive shooters

these days its mostly 12 year old sweats

[placid comet]

Same

[whole drum]

I would be surprised if we're so different in general age, but I find that age does more to change interests than how much reaction time matters

It also doesn't help that competitive shooters have been a joke for the last 10 years

[fluid sapphire]

yeah my interests have definitely changed too, competitive games dont have the same pull they used to, even if part of that was the struggle to keep up

[placid comet]

It's why I've sworn off Souls-likes as well. My mental well-being needs TLC

[leaden turret]

reminder: age does not bring wisdom, both ends of the spectrum will xkcd-386

[fluid sapphire]

i have found souls-likes to do the opposite, teach me to be zen and overcome, i played sekiro this year, its easily my top 5 of all time

[compact flicker]

Elden ring was my debatble #1 before SatisFactory

[whole drum]

Keeping up isn't why I lost interest. The genre moved in a direction I deeply disliked--relying more on gimmicks and 'teamwork' than on pure skill or strategy.

[hard ivy]

nah, if a boss kills me 5 times in a row, I just quit

[compact flicker]

I'm an xbox player.

We got SatisFactory in November of 25

[whole drum]

Killstreaks were one of the worst things to happen to COD, for example--and Battlefield could never make vehicles feel balanced.

[fluid sapphire]

different strokes i guess, the challenge is what makes those games great

[whole drum]

Max, do you have huge hands?

[silk ocean]

6 fully overclocked at the moment

[whole drum]

Those typos are wild. I thought maybe you were mashing your keyboard with those giant fists, lol 😄

Is okay though. I sometimes type with my forehead too. ❤️

I make typos all the time--mostly just cause I type fast and sometimes my hands don't do what my brain is trying to.

They have also developed their own autocorrect, and will replace words with ones I wasn't even thinking.

The problem is, the replaced words aren't correct--it's the opposite of what I want them to do.

Don't know what that means

We have 3 cats and a dog, but I don't know what you mean

You want to see the two I actually like?

Ah, I just sent them to you. Wasn't even thinking about that, lol

[silk ocean]

There's a real quality control issue with these plutonium waste barrels, they are leaky AF

[placid comet]

Do I ever get access to glass flooring?

[whole drum]

Awesome Shop -> Architecture -> It's like "frame collection" or something

You can preview it in the shop to see which one

[median stirrup]

Is there a mod i can download that fixes constructor / assembler UI so that the crafting counts update even when the machine is not running?

I'm surprised it's not fixed in the base game after all these years.

[fluid sapphire]

its called "structural frame set"

i think?

[whole drum]

It shows in parenthesis when you change it

[median stirrup]

the parenthesis only show the total amount, not the current number

like the individual amount per craft doesnt update correctly but the number per minute does

[reef basin]

amount per craft never changes though? only when slooped

[median stirrup]

like the input needed for a single craft

the left most number in the UI

[reef basin]

yeah, the "needed per craft" never changes

"needed per minute" does

that's correct behaviour

[median stirrup]

hold on lemme show u

i cant post vids here

[reef basin]

no you can't. We have #1038092680493801533 and other channels for that

[median stirrup]

when this clip finishes rendering in a minute look at what i mean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCSx6aJiJic

[silk ocean]

Southern grasslands is worse than the dune desert, two little ponds xD

[reef basin]

afaik the first number is the base and the second one is the clocked/slooped amount

[whole drum]

Worst start. By a lot. #ChangeMyMind

Screw Grasslands

[reef basin]

so the first number indeed shouldn't change

[silk ocean]

I started in the dune desert yea

Not impressed with grasslands XD

[whole drum]

It's the only start with no rich nodes

[silk ocean]

Yea there are quite a few

I have to be here right now tho, on "business"... i.e. reaping and plundering its natural resources

[whole drum]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1450096118175105054
The outline for Rocky Desert is off, though. The cliff on the northern edge of it is an area you can start at.

Has like 4-5 rich iron right off the bat, and decent coal nearby

[compact flicker]

Wont try to change your mind but its my favorite spawn

[bold heron]

do ~ 4000 mw sound reasoneble for the first coal power plant ?

[compact flicker]

Ye

[reef basin]

well, depends on how much do you plan to build 🙂

I'd just build something you planned and see how it works

[whole drum]

For that matter, the Forest start area is also wrong--the area in the northwest is a place you can start too.

[silk ocean]

Yea if anything the two desert biomes have more pure veins on that map

[bold heron]

well according to my calculations i need around 3400 mw for my t1-4 factories not included miners powerplant and logistics.

[reef basin]

I mean you can always build more if you start running low on power 🤷

[whole drum]

Forest is honestly the "best" start in terms of having a lot of availability of anything you might need--and a central location on the map.

Dunes is amazing if you want to produce A LOT of early tier stuff--like automating all your Phase 2 PPs, lol.

Rocky D is really nice until you need oil, but even then isn't bad because of those islands on the coast to the west.

[reef basin]

the circles are a lie though - starting locations are a few predetermined positions

[bold heron]

i guess i take dunes more space and more ressources.
basicly everything is near the dune desert.

[whole drum]

Yeah, that's what I was noting too

[reef basin]

(also, early on you don't really benefit from pure nodes or having advanced resources nearby, so I don't really agree with those being advantageous to picking a starting location)

[whole drum]

Dunes has 2 main drawbacks imo--pretty far from first oil and inconvenient general map location

[whole drum]

I strongly disagree. They become useful as soon as you have Mk2 belts.

[bold heron]

far depends i find it close by, its right outside of the desert or if needed more to the coast next door.

[strong fiber]

Dune desert good if you gonna use a ton of iron

[reef basin]

mk1 pure can do up to 300/min

[whole drum]

And I do 😄

[strong fiber]

Lots of pure iron nodes nearby

[wind siren]

the dunes is very nice, prob my favorite start area https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1450098138764415147

now to just make it "look" nicer than my spaghetti

[whole drum]

Overclocking comes later, but a Mk1 pure is 120, which is the perfect amount for RIPs

[strong fiber]

Either dunes or grassy fields

[bold heron]

also another thing i like about the dunes, while other biomes might have more total biomass, in dunes its really concentrated around the oasis and very fast to collect.

[strong fiber]

Also very flat land

[reef basin]

overclocking needs T0 items to unlock

[wind siren]

fast is relative. i still find the chainsaw slow

[bold heron]

flat is relative but flat enought once u build a bit upwards.

[whole drum]

And more power while still on burners

[strong fiber]

To make it useful got get sloops too

[reef basin]

?

[whole drum]

Not saying Grasslands "can't" be done--it's just not as nice

[strong fiber]

you dont wanna waste slugs

[reef basin]

grasslands are great for separating your factories and teaching you expansion - imo perfect for new players

[reef basin]

why? they are infinite

[strong fiber]

why wouldn’t you wanna sloop ur power shards

[bold heron]

yes and no.

[whole drum]

You'll have to do this regardless, and having pures is a better learning tool than not having them.

[reef basin]

imo having pure is better when you can actually use it fully

[wind siren]

not sure how having a pure node is learning

[reef basin]

why bother if I have enough shards anyway? not like I'm clocking every single building

[wind siren]

i always worked harder more with impures than anything else

[strong fiber]

You gonna need to rebuild the whole dune desert when you get mk3miners

[whole drum]

And having them also emphasizes the importance of planning your build instead of just strewing them about

[bold heron]

slugs are technicly infinit since doggos can bring your some and lategame u can produce powershards.
but the total number of slugs spawned in the world is limited.
still way more then enough for the early tiers. even more whit the use of sloops.

[reef basin]

well, you never have to rebuild

[strong fiber]

Cuz i dont overclock early gsme

[strong fiber]

Then lots of pure iron is wasted

[reef basin]

it's not?

[whole drum]

I don't rebuild. I either upgrade or leave it alone--hence the planning thing I just mentioned.

[reef basin]

unless you've run out of all iron on the map, you don't care how much and where you use it

[bold heron]

well my goal for most productions is to have 4x machines at 100 produce said item.
exept for elevator parts there its so calculated the t9 parts are produced at 4 machines.

[fluid sapphire]

how dare you slander grass fields
https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1438118747490488454

[reef basin]

(and you can always put a splitter after a miner to get the excess materials if you really care about those)

[strong fiber]

i like being efficient

[reef basin]

underclocked miner is still 100% efficient

[whole drum]

It's "pretty," I guess. I still think Forest looks nicer.

[strong fiber]

If i can get 480 iron/min imma get 480 iron/min

[reef basin]

but that doesn't necesitate rebuilding of your base

you can just slap a splitter after the miner

[bold heron]

earlygame i just tend to use underclock exept for miners where a 200% overclock is common to boost a normal node to a pure one.

[jolly flax]

Why cant I start ficsmas holiday event

The node in mam doesnt work

[whole drum]

Go visit calendar at the hub

[jolly flax]

Ooooh