satisfactory

[whole drum]

Make a coal plant to start it 😄

[solid grail]

don't start them all at once

[hard ivy]

Power storage or a fuel plant or augmenters

[round crown]

My current power is 3,000

[round crown]

I don't think that going to help me start 75 refiners up

[whole drum]

The easy way is to start a piece of it first by disconnecting some of the power, then as they kick on, you add more gens to the grid

[grave burrow]

Rocket fuel is insanely OP and quite easy to make . I have 2.6TW of power from it and now I get to build nuclear for fun, not really needing its power.

[hasty stump]

i salute your dedication to science for its own sake! 😁

[hard ivy]

If you build enough yes it will

[zealous urchin]

bruh if ure gonna dodge the question just say ure not gonna answer lol

[grave burrow]

Its what I do XD PLENTY of times just breaking the game. The devs LOVE my builds (I'm still shocked they haven't put a hit out on me for breaking things so much)

[fading whale]

As mentioned, always good to keep a couple of coal gens running for start-up power.
I usually build out my power setup as planned'ish. Then use existing power to start up a single oil source. Then a couple of refineries to make fuel. Then power up fuel gens NOT exceeding the bit of fuel I'm making.
Then I have enough power to add more and doublle the amount of active gens. Then once you have 80 gens running (in your case), you'll have enough power to rune the whole thing.

[bitter lodge]

holy shit. Looking at the planning for my next factory...and I think its gonna take me a few IRL days.

[silk ocean]

Think it took me a good 2-3 days just to do the global rail

[bitter lodge]

I am gonna use a train for the resource input, so I gotta set rails up

lowkey, I am not even gonna worry about product speed. Just want these items for personal use.

but still. I want to get as close to 10/min as I possibly can

[twilit peak]

How do i make concrete foundation the default?

[silk ocean]

There is a drop-down box in that section, top right

[bitter lodge]

you can set it to your hotbar

[deft belfry]

dont start all at the same time

[twilit peak]

Tought you meant in the cusomization menu, but i can change it in the building menu

[hard ivy]

I wasn't dodging the question, I was expecting a follow up that would allow me to continue the conversation. Ig this is that?

Anyway, I was thinking the same thing as with every other recipe in that mod - making something that's less convenient to use than default but more resource efficient (or at least when it comes to the resources that actually matter, not iron or w/e). Bolted Singularity Cell makes 20% more cells for the same Nuclear Pasta and Dark Matter Crystal cost as default, in exchange for the other 2 items being more annoying to make than just plates and concrete

The reason for the screws and the name is that both vanilla bolted recipes are utter trash and I wanted to make something that uses screws and is actually useful sometimes

[round crown]

This fuel plant is gonna tak me like 20 hours

[round crown]

See I feel like your thinking small scale. This is a 400 fuel gen factory

[grave burrow]

Wait until a build takes a few months. Finishing my rocket fuel plant that's taken over 10 months (Nearly 10,000 fuel generators). 😂

[round crown]

How much power does a power storage hold

[hard ivy]

100 MWh

[compact flicker]

Build 10,000 of them

[round crown]

Yea im not that insane

[bitter lodge]

fuel plants are easy.

[round crown]

Yet

[dense violet]

power storage? do not build 10k of them

[bitter lodge]

make all the fuel, then blueprint down your fuel gens.

[compact flicker]

Too late, already working on it

[hard ivy]

Especially once you have enough shards to OC all of them

[bitter lodge]

omg.

I need to shard my stuff.

[round crown]

I can't make the fuel to start my power if I don't have power to start my fuel

[bitter lodge]

this next factory wants 145 assemblers
147 constructors
195 refineries

that is so much space without shards

[round crown]

You might be just as insane as me

[ebon cave]

What does the blue light mean on my machines?

[hard ivy]

That it's overclocked

[bitter lodge]

its a mega factory for sure.

[ebon cave]

Oh okay thanks

I have to under clock and over clock some stuff for a refunded iron plate factory

[hard ivy]

It's not even that big lol. Mediumfactory more like XD

[round crown]

Ask @dense violet to look at it. He looked at mine and cut my reapurce my over half with his alt recipes

[bitter lodge]

mega for me

[bitter lodge]

I got the recipes I want to use figured out

[hard ivy]

Or you could just go into SFTools, enable all recipes and get close to the best result you can

[bitter lodge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=yJflkKpiLwMhz3cnRsn2

that is the factory and its recipes.

[grave burrow]

Mega factory = 10k items a minute
Giga factory = 100k items a minute
Tera factory = 1 million items a minute
Satis Factory = 10 million items a minute
Once I pass 20 million a minute I will get to name that one officially too. (Items account for every stage combined)

[bitter lodge]

you can't make 10 million a minute?

[grave burrow]

I set the 10 million a minute last year

[bitter lodge]

are we counting ingots?

[grave burrow]

Working on 20 million and reached 16 million a minute last week

Ingots count. Every stage combined including liquids/gases

[bitter lodge]

what are the items?

ingots is just pure recipes ._.

[grave burrow]

It really only can be done in vanilla during Ficsmas so each year I try to beat the previous years record. Though the last few years its just keeps setting new world records. The 16 million a minute is gifts and blue ornament production. The save is 425mb so far.

[hard ivy]

Ah, yes, you have the recipes figured out when you're making RCUs and steel pipes in 2 different ways

[grave burrow]

Last yeah it took 8 months of planning and tests just to reach 10 million a minute and just barely made it. This year I was able to reach 10 million in 12hrs since the devs have worked some kind of black magic in optimizing things even further still

[round crown]

See I didn't know how to do that,so he did it for me

[round crown]

10...million?

[grave burrow]

I have a video showing it if you want to see it XD It literally broke the engine and everything XD

[round crown]

By all means

Send

[grave burrow]

https://youtu.be/CbLOjI9r57Y?si=bmLb4C3FFlJYhcsh

[hard ivy]

Did you send the save file to CSS for stress testing?

[round crown]

@grave burrow ur actually insane

[grave burrow]

oh they take my saves nearly monthly at this point and have been using them since 2022 to optimize the game. That 10 million a minute lead to some CRAZY things they were able to optimize XD

[dense violet]

enabling all recipes is an option you can do - but 'close to best' result is nonsense

the planner doesn't know what resources are available to you, how you like to build things or everything else you're going to build.

Better to manually swap around recipes to see the differences in raw resource needs

[round crown]

So ur on let's game it outs level

[round crown]

I also don't have the knowledge of what recipes to use

[grave burrow]

oh Josh needs to get on my level. Although he builds INSANE, his builds are very small XD

[round crown]

Some of the recipes you picked I'd never have used

[dense violet]

just having all recipes available doesn't give you 'best result' , for the same reason ther eare no 'best recipes'.

planners have no idea where you're building or how you like to do things or what else you're building.

so that is, once again, terrible advice

[whole robin]

which day is the nukes in the ficmas calendar?

[dense violet]

the wiki can help with that if you don't mind getting a liiiiiitle spoiled

[round crown]

Ur both equally as insane to me? How did you even generate enough power to do that

[hard ivy]

Neither probably would most people

Cobalt has... interesting opinions on recipes

[grave burrow]

If you saw they video on the CSS youtube a month ago that was talking about the ram optimizing with belts/pipes/hypertubes and saw the endless belt build filled with nothing but screws, that was my save file I designed for them to test internally with. (Made it screws for the memes lol)

[grave burrow]

In Ficsmas, you dont have to power the gift trees and is the main reason why its the best time to push the items a minute in vanilla testing XD

[round crown]

Yea, opinions i can't say are good or bad. Coukd say im being badly influenced. But whoever helps 👍

[bitter lodge]

Maybe I over looked some things

[silk ocean]

I sometimes log my server to find a train has randomly turned off self-driving and is causing a big jam... ever get that?

[dense violet]

eh, kyo tries to make objective statements about things that are not objective

and recipes all have their uses in different situations.

Like iron pipe? teeerrrible iron consumption. But if you absolutely, for whatever reason, do not want to find both coal and iron next to each other - sure. It's an option. Murder on your iron supply, but it has it's value.

[round crown]

What if im simply making that much iron where I can make iron pipes. That way some things can also be made in that same iron factory

[dense violet]

and that's an option. But iron+coal is just so common, I would basically never design a system that uses iron pipes

Like I think iron is a trash resource to be used like water - but Iron pipes is too much for me. Too little output

[silk ocean]

Oh... it's because a train seems to have failed to stop in time and crashed into the back of another on the downslope from Red Forest...

[round crown]

You...don't like iron?

[dense violet]

it's fine? it's just really handy as a filler for other resources

like Iron wire? cuts out copper

and iron is more common than copper so makes factory locations MUCH more flexible

Copper Alloy? Effectively converts Iron to Copper. Great trade

[round crown]

@dense violet also what is the best way to jump start this factory? Im not going to have enough power for these refiners

[dense violet]

power storage.

just charge it up with what you've got going.

[whole drum]

Also, start it in chunks

[dense violet]

chunks isn't a bad idea either, helps flood any liquid systems

[whole drum]

You only need a couple to get a chain reaction that makes the others super easy to get going

[round crown]

Follow up to that...stackable pipelines aren't a bad idea right? You said avoid it being one line. So I have to further split the 19 into 2

I guess I could split it into 8 rows

Instead of 4

So it doesn't have to be above the first pipeline

[dense violet]

I'd have to see what you mean, sorry

[round crown]

I'll show you when I get home

BTW what time is it for you

[dense violet]

no rush 🙂
130pm

sunday

[round crown]

Oooookkkk its 9:32pm rn

[dense violet]

Australian time zones 😄

[round crown]

Second Australian that I know of that ive ever had the pleasure of talking to

[feral geyser]

First Australian i ever met that i didn't like

[dense violet]

all the rest bastards eh ? 😛

[round crown]

Anyway i'll prob just makena thread....guarantee ima need help ANYWAY!! What are the odds this works perfectly the first time 🤔

[dense violet]

uhhh depends on your initial design 🙂 you can pretty reliably make sure pipe systems work with the basics

[round crown]

We will see

[ripe sedge]

where can i report minor bugs?

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @white dawn

[white dawn]

^ If you want the devs to see it, that's the best place (can also upvote existing reports)

[ripe sedge]

thank u

[whole drum]

You should wait until they come of age and then report them

[empty flame]

Finally returned to play this game after like a year and have discovered that I somehow pushed through to phase 5 by handcrafting everything

[compact flicker]

-how-

[tribal elk]

imagine if the means to reach a dlc location is to build a sufficiently large hyper tube launcher

[river panther]

TIL Nuke Nobelisks are useless against poison rocks.

[rose pollen]

I just found out that you can put nobilisks on someones detachable camera, making great portable bombs

[gentle lion]

If my calculations are correct my fuel gens will make 20000Mw, 80@250

That shoukd be enough for a bit. Probably make more off the other pure node. Possibly make that one a turbo fuel plant

[rose pollen]

Pretty good

[gentle lion]

I'm trying to math out the turbo fuel version and it's confusing

[round crown]

Ur only doing 20,000?

Imagine me doing 100,000

[gentle lion]

Uhhhh

[round crown]

I have that 100,000 fully mathed out

[dense violet]

work your way backwards

easy peasy

or forward, that can work too, just from an end/start point

[gentle lion]

My setup is 2 refiner / 2 packagers overclocked so I use all 40 HOR , makes 80 fuel per min

[round crown]

Wait I just realized...ur on in the middle of the day do you not work

[dense violet]

relief teaching has it's perks

[dense violet]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=rSvAv74lhFIEHpmS5jjd

[round crown]

Ur a TEACHER!!!!!??? no WONDER ur so helpful

[dense violet]

look at the plan, edit as you need

[dense violet]

I think it's probably the other way around xD teaching just seemed to make sense, I like helping people learn

[round crown]

Makes me feel less bad abt asking you my silly questions....sometimes more then once

[dense violet]

eh, everyone learns differently, it's cool

[round crown]

I wish my teachers understood this. Thankfully im done with school

[gentle lion]

Thanks.
I had 80/22.5 would be 3.5 refiners making 18.75 min turbo fuel which would be 66.67 turbo burning at 7.5 per min , being 8.88 fuel gens per set ..so 160 approx

[dense violet]

yeah look, teaching is not easy - even worse in the US.
The whole system limps along with a few dedicated teachers struggling along and a bunch of people who are just burnt out and doing what can be done. Which often isn't much.
Also a lot of competent teachers have much better options doing just about anything else :\

[buoyant ember]

And here's me worrying about 300mwh

😆

[dense violet]

coal power will get you going 🙂

[buoyant ember]

I got 4 plants running, and I'm peaking at about 285ish usage

[gentle lion]

Sister is a teacher ...it's ...bad

[dense violet]

my advice?
find a spot with 3-4 coal nodes right next to water - every starter zone has at least one spot like that

turn all tha tcoal to power
you'll need it

!wikisearch CG

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[dense violet]

convenient coal power layout, for both beginners and experts

[compact flicker]

I will tame every lizard doggo on the map

[south idol]

ash ketchum is that you?

[dense violet]

you can take overhead images with photo mode 🙂 gives a better view on what you're doing

but from the image I'd guess you're using the tiny pond in the grassy fields?

[compact flicker]

Just a doggo enthusiast :3

[buoyant ember]

Yep

Good spot, lol

[south idol]

there is a potential downside to taming them - they are fragile, and large scale defoliation operations can get dangerous when every bush contains a fren

[dense violet]

eh, imo not great for power

not much coal, not much water, and more convenient making steel around there

go north north west from there, lake with 4 coal nodes 🙂

build like 32 coal gens there.

[buoyant ember]

Oooh cheeky! Ill take a lookie

[compact flicker]

Saving before every nobelisk

[dense violet]

when you get mk3 belts? yo ucan upgrade to 64 and that can last you to like phase 4

[silk ocean]

Urgh really want to automate medical inhaler production... I don't do manual XD

[compact flicker]

I just pick up agaric whenever I pass by it and it keeps me sated :3

[silk ocean]

Gobbled it all up over time xD

Totally should be possible to automate synthetic inhalers, even if an alt recipe / late game... imo xD

You can do it with power shards... why not inhalers

[gentle lion]

@dense violet so would I just run the HOR like the oil in one pipeline and run the sets of refiner and packagers off that like I'm doing?

[white dawn]

Yeah, it'd be nice. Seems likely to be something that'll only happen with mods, though

[silk ocean]

Probably

[dense violet]

with diluted packaged fuel I find it's simpler to create small segments of packager > refinery > unpackager in a loop.

[gentle lion]

That's what I have now but it's 2 of each in a loop https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1449576230981472382/19b1a7fc3066-screenshotUrl.jpg?ex=693f6691&is=693e1511&hm=8d04ffd698a9726027839efbda5700671c98e6bce37ab65850b7c3d4b81aa124&

[dense violet]

I mean that works.
I, personally, don't like the layout, but there's nothing functionally wrong with it

there's no one single 'best' layout for stuff unless it actually posses mechanical issues

[gentle lion]

Thsi setup uses 40 refiners either way this was just easier for me

[dense violet]

you could probably make a simpler blueprint that's a bit tidier/compact? but bout it. Seems functional

[gentle lion]

I'm all for it if ypu have an idea lol but on console so I'd have to replicate it

[dense violet]

something like this could be quite tidy? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1370369360299823134/image.png?ex=693f4f2b&is=693dfdab&hm=e20a5a8de740cee26da4e592335a23353d9a2d0e86f91dd4d480b44b78320f1d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

this too https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1321548841438416897/1321548842939842712/Screenshot20241225-13283200000.png?ex=693f0545&is=693db3c5&hm=81504bd91e4f2d5be0de95988de2c1a4b0f5979e5364e00e263af55fcea21c79&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2086&height=1173

[gentle lion]

I like that second one.

Do you setup the refiners getting oil and making HOR together ?

On wait just one set

I'm tired

[slate kiln]

When did I unlock the train?

[merry granite]

Is there a way to do the short conveyor lift trick for manufacturers?

[dense violet]

get some rest 🙂 you'll brain better

[dense violet]

!wikisearch train

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=train

[buoyant ember]

All unlocked for phase 1, just gotta feed the space vacuum cleaner with smart plating and versatile framework. Ill worry about automated wiring later on, these two are gonna take a while

[slate kiln]

Thx

[sullen verge]

o7
New here.
20 hours in, got coal power up and running. Just scavenged harddrives for 2 hours.

Going to get steel going next session, but still need to find a location.
I started south-west. Any suggestions?

[compact flicker]

Local coal for steel, distant coal for power

[umbral dagger]

Really quick, will one water pump per coal generator theoretically solve my water flow problem?

[whole drum]

It will, but it would be wild overkill. 3 pumps can power 8 gens and still overkill it.

[sullen verge]

are your pumps flowing down/do you have a water-tower?

[umbral dagger]

I've got three going to one pump, have been running it for hours, and now for some reason I'm having flow issues.

[whole drum]

I don't build water towers. You just need enough headlift.

[sullen verge]

one pump provides enough water for 2.66667 coal gens. so it's not enough

[umbral dagger]

One I've kept underclocked

[dense violet]

!wikisearch CG

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[dense violet]

these are convenient for beginner and expert layouts for coal gens

1xmk2 belt + 3 water extractors. No clocking needed

[umbral dagger]

Cheers

I kept getting blow outs and tried flushing the system out, now I can't water back in the line at all

[whole drum]

Each water extractor produces 120/m
Each coal gen needs 45/m of water
Water pipes have a max throughput rate of 300/m

So 8 x 45 = 360 water needed, 3 extractors

The trick is that you can't put all 3 extractors into the same pipe from one end, because you lose 60/m of flow rate. The easy way around this is to put 1 on each end and connect 1 in the middle.

Here's a pic from a setup I was showing earlier
https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1449536437279133730

Since your water extractors will usually be at a lower elevation than your coal gens, you may need to use water pumps to provide enough headlift (max flow height) for your water to reach them.

[silk ocean]

Supposedly 10m right? I've had to use a pump for like 2m xD

[umbral dagger]

I've been tempted to do a total factory wipe. All the machinery, but keeping the foundations etc. Cause everything is a mess, and knowing what I know now i can make it look better. I've thought about starting a new game, but I'd like to keep all the things I've researched so far.

But it's daunting

[zealous urchin]

dont restart

its better to redo or even come back to it later

[umbral dagger]

I'm a third of the way done producing for the second space elevator order I do not want to lose that progress

[dense violet]

hold ctrl while dismantling and it's pretty fast.

I restarted fully new maps at tiers 3 5 and 7, but that's not for everyone

but I found it really helped master the basics

and each restart was faster than the last

[umbral dagger]

That's what I'm hoping for

[dense violet]

hey some people would feel burnt out for it like I said, but worked for me 🙂

[whole drum]

Up to Phase 5 is the fun part of the game, imo. After that is just... work, lol

[dense violet]

or the tiers are just a tutorial to sand box mode and building your own projects 😛

[umbral dagger]

It's hard saying what this game does to me. Thinking about playing it, I know I'm gonna be playing for hours. Watching it on my home screen is like sitting in the parking lot before going in to work if that makes sense

I know what I'm about to undertake is huge

[zealous urchin]

personaly, fun begins after unlocking all milestones

[dense violet]

my suggestion then is treat the tiers like a tutorial - make personal projects based on fun ideas and mechanics you liked learning the milestones

[umbral dagger]

Will that diagram from earlier be enough power generation to get me through to the next tier? I've just discovered where Caterium SAM and quartz veins are in relation to my main area

[glass pagoda]

Its hard to start new projects

[glass pagoda]

What's the teir

[umbral dagger]

The third tier i think it is? I've just made 1000 smart plates.

[dense violet]

what I do is use 4 nodes of coal and make 8 gens from each

then, when you have mk3 belts, make another 32 gens. That will keep you going for ages

[umbral dagger]

I have four nodes so that's perfect

[dense violet]

64 coal gens can get you to tier 7 pretty easily

[umbral dagger]

Probably best to just send each mode belted off to it's own area large enough to potentially accommodate 32 generators each?

[dense violet]

pretty much, though you can make it pretty compact , like so https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1439217940141441107/image.png?ex=693f4a68&is=693df8e8&hm=6e6e44b7e24a60f2feaa06b812071ffdf6e14da5ccf512e4dc05c13224ab6552&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[umbral dagger]

Each worth it's own water source (lake)? Or am I over thinking it?

[dense violet]

you can generally feed lots of coal from one lake. Depends how big it is

[barren glacier]

can i get the full 300 oil per min from 1 oil extractor with a mk 1 pipe? or will there be throughput issues since the pipe will be full

for context it's literally just 300 oil going into the middle of 5 refineries

[whole drum]

Unless you do what I did on this save and set out to automate your Project Parts--I was 50mw under my production when I went to start coal.

That was on 32 gens tho

[dense violet]

yeah 64 gives you a good boost

[whole drum]

Automating those parts is a big power draw, though--so many machines in the process.

[dense violet]

I don't sink the over flow which stalls most of hte factory - keeps power consumption low

[whole drum]

Yeah, that's something else I'm doing different this time--sinking way more stuff, including excess PPs

So that hard power draw stays on lol

[dense violet]

always an option 🙂

[whole drum]

It is a boost to the old ticket income once it kicks in tho

They are worth a lot

[zealous urchin]

automating space elevator parts is a vibe

[whole drum]

Can't say I really recommend it, lol

Or if you're going to, maybe better to wait until Phase 5 or so when you have tons of power and the ability to build quickly and use alt recipes

[cunning glade]

anyone got recs for mods too make nuclear power worth it

theres alot of options

[zealous urchin]

nucular in itself is worth it

[dense violet]

vanilla makes it worth it so no idea what you'd want

[zealous urchin]

also nucular uses less nirogen than rocket fuel

and nitrogen is luxury endgame resource

[cunning glade]

hmmm i was under the impression it wasnt

[dense violet]

no idea what gave you that idea

[whole drum]

Nuclear gives so much power you can free up coal/oil for other things

[dense violet]

it has smaller but more individual steps - and you 1 nuclear gen does the work of 10x fuel

[cunning glade]

mainly making a 400gw rocket fuel plant easily

[dense violet]

and gross. huge fields of generators

[cunning glade]

plus alot of the mods say it so

[dense violet]

mind numbing tedium

[cunning glade]

just a tower its a gas

[dense violet]

what mods say what?

[zealous urchin]

im doing 504 fuel gens build rn but that will be the last one to ever be made by me
just tired of how much space do they take

[dense violet]

gross vertical fields of gnes

[cunning glade]

theres alot for nuclear rebalancing

[dense violet]

who and what?

[cunning glade]

theres like 5 or 6 mods for nuclear rebalance so i was curious about it

[dense violet]

eh, people do mods for lots of things

People did a skyrim mod turning dragons to thomas the tank engines, doesn't mean dragons are 'bad'

[zealous urchin]

trainthurnax was peak tho

[cunning glade]

yeah but a dragon rebalance is diff than that

[dense violet]

I'm sure you could make mods that let you fart out dragons if you want - doesn't mean the pioneer's butt isn't doing it's job

[barren glacier]

fuel gen power plants are insanely tedious... building 500 generators is not fun, just go nuclear

[cunning glade]

meh it really aint that bad

[barren glacier]

especially when fuel gens are huge buildings 😭

[dense violet]

I'd never do anything more than like 100 fully OCed fuel gens again. And that'd might only be to get through to a biiiig nuclear set up

[compact flicker]

Just now realizing I was a day behind on the advent calender

[zealous urchin]

omg

[dense violet]

less honestly. Ugh.

[barren glacier]

i feel like nuclear is more immersive too. there's a lot more steps to it and it's more fun to make

[cunning glade]

me who just built 100 of thoose lol

[zealous urchin]

its in the middle slightly to the top right mb

[cunning glade]

i can finally stop using biomass tho after this

[dense violet]

hey, 100 fully OCed fuel gens is more than you need to do all the milestones.

I got by on way less .

[cunning glade]

tho idk if im gonna factory or do deadlock first

[zealous urchin]

i just finished all milestones on 32k power

[cunning glade]

i mean maybe for a normal person

but i aint normal

me like big numbers

lots of stuff moving

[hybrid nymph]

October of 2023

[cunning glade]

my goal is too use the 300gw i have so i need nuclear

[barren glacier]

uranium is only used for nuclear power (unless u want to make nuke nobelisks) while oil has a billion other uses. why not base ur power off of uranium ?

[dense violet]

so go nuclear

you can do 600gw pretty easily

with few generators

[cunning glade]

oh im def gonna

idc for the power

i care for the challenge

lowkey just wanna use all of the uranium for power

[barren glacier]

the only part of nuclear thats not "worth it" is prob ficsonium, but at that point it's more of a challenge than you "needing power"

[zealous urchin]

if u want the challenge maximize all map for ionized then

[cunning glade]

fuck ionized

[zealous urchin]

hhaha

[cunning glade]

rocket fuel or nuclear

[barren glacier]

ionized fuel gen setup 😭 😭 😭

[zealous urchin]

embrace pain

know pain
feel pain

[cunning glade]

iirc it isnt that much better than rocket fuel

atleast drone wise

[barren glacier]

dont forget the resources needed for ionized fuel

[cunning glade]

i dont have it unlocked rn

so i dont remember but iirc rocket fuel was so much easier

[barren glacier]

yea ionized fuel uses the rocket fuel and power shards. the power shards use up time crystals, dark matter crystals, quarts crystals, and excited photonic matter.

the last two are pretty easy but the time and dark crystals use up diamonds which are... resource heavy

[zealous urchin]

not only that

have fun managing overflow

[barren glacier]

yup!

basically ionized fuel is only worth it for ur personal jetpack fuel

nothing else

[zealous urchin]

u have to manage overflow of synthshards tho so

[whole drum]

You know, if you love building massive fields/towers of fuel gens, try it with liquid biofuel

[barren glacier]

brb i need to go refill my liquid biofuel power plant

[zealous urchin]

if only gens could be set up to not run when not needed with biofuel

[hasty stump]

finally got around to setting up coal in my current playthrough instead of picking up gift boxes

[whole drum]

Everyone tells me how good biofuel is in early game, so decided to give it a shot--usually just skip to turbo

[spark sky]

Not sure who "everybody" is, but I just like building biofuel power plants with integrated biofuel manufacturing in them.

[zealous urchin]

that one recipe where u make insane ammount of biomass from alien protein

[spark sky]

Especially when you use Somersloops.

[zealous urchin]

mk10 belts when

[stone python]

why stop at mk10

[whole drum]

If you sloop the whole production chain, it's A LOT of biofuel

[abstract heron]

mk900 belts when?

[whole drum]

Which can be nice if you don't care about tickets

[frank lance]

Hi all... just wanted to check in if anyone noticed that the snow cannons and snow dispensers quit accumulating snow like they used too. I seem to remember that the snow would eventually make small piles with enough time... now there is only a "whitening" of the ground, and its very sparse. is there a setting I am missing or were they actually changed?

[abstract heron]

I have not yet tested that

[spark sky]

Well, if you have other means of generating power, the biofuel power plants just idle. If you then use smart splitters, you can set one up to fill a container with Alien Protien and overflow the rest to Alien DNA production, which then goes to the Awesome Sink.

[whole drum]

You sure? I thought only burners idled when not needed.

[spark sky]

Keep killing critters and feeding the biofuel power plant and you'll be set for both.

Yeah, I'm talking about biomass burners, a lot of them, in a power plant.

[whole drum]

Yeah, I was talking about liquid biofuel into fuel gens, lol

A surely unsustainable practice

[zealous urchin]

liquid biofuel is on pair with normal fuel

[whole drum]

Unless you want to play with save/load gimmicks to force respawn, then learn some route for optimal harvesting of remains per hour

[spark sky]

I can't make liquid biofuel, yet.

[zealous urchin]

gardening should be in this game imo

[frank lance]

one thing I noticed about bio-burners ... it seems they have priority over all other fuel sources.... so even if you plug in all the bioburners, they run till out of fuel. I thought they would work off of a backup system and only activate when the batteries engage. but i noticed they all burn out of biomass even though I am running coal and fuel generators too.... i wish that wasnt the case

[zealous urchin]

like plant ur trees and stuff

[frank lance]

Theres an addon that lets you do plants, it includges veggies to make muffins.

[whole drum]

If you have storage batteries in the same network as burners, they will try to fill the batteries

Only when the batteries are full and your other power needs are less than your production will the burners idle

[spark sky]

Biomass burners seem to idle if you don't need them, but I think they do burn a little fuel on idle.

[whole drum]

But burners only kick on if usage > production

[frank lance]

even on idle... they still emptied an entire storage container of solid biofuel before I noticed... in less than 40 hours of play time.

[zealous urchin]

40hrs is alot

[frank lance]

so is 8000 solid biomass

[spark sky]

Was that the industrial storage container?

[frank lance]

yep, industrial...

[sour ledge]

#screenshots message

A disturbing realization. Lizard doggos... are underworld dwellers! The well pressurizer is what respawns them!

[spark sky]

Something just sounds wrong there.

[sour ledge]

every lizard doggo you see on the surface was forced from its home by fracking o.o

[spark sky]

They respawn?

[frank lance]

Doggo's only respawn if you kill them, and no industrial things are nearby

[spark sky]

Ah, so, if a doggo falls through the terrain, it's not dead, it won't respawn.

[sour ledge]

and apparently around well pressurizers since it forces them to respawn! its in the text, ficsit wouldn't lie.

[whole drum]

"It's in the text"
Careful now, them's fightin' words.

Wars been started over that

[spark sky]

And here I thought I might have to build another kennel.

[sour ledge]

its okay. i've murdered most of the local wildlife, and if the Sloopers or ADA decide to start a war with me im toast no matter what i say or do

thus war has no consequences.... for me.

[spark sky]

Well, according to one "lore" video, Earth is dead, we're clones made by AI entities like ADA to perpetuate and propogate the AIs.

Thus the puppies and kittens you're trying to save no longer exist.

[sour ledge]

on the other hand ADA amuses me greatly, and populately the universe with more of them is a net win

they're like a cat that lives in your head!

right down to the disdain for your existence while relying on you to get anything done

[zealous urchin]

if true = time for a refund

[spark sky]

The fact that ADA eventually converses with the alien things is interesting. I think in the end, ADA ends up wanting to, essentially, marry the alien things and ....

[sour ledge]

leave us completely out of the loop of their future conversations. I understand keeping up the alien talk for all the alien artifacts woulda driven people nuts making them find 'em all... but i still wish we kept on getting ada blurbs

[compact flicker]

How are yall liking the snowballs?

[spark sky]

I still have 4 personal storage containers full of snowballs from last year.

[compact flicker]

They're the same as normal nobelisk gameplay wise right?

[spark sky]

Hm, I should set up a whole building full of linked industrial storage and fill it with snowballs.

It should be easy with enough gift trees.

[hard stump]

What can you do with the actual snowballs????

[dense violet]

throw them

[hard stump]

How can’t even put them in a hand slot?

[dense violet]

not sure, I think they may work like nobelisks? never bothered with ficsmas

wiki prob has stuff though

[spark sky]

I thought my largest circle was limited by the Mk3 Blueprint Designer. Nope, I can make much larger circles based on that blueprint. #screenshots message

[spark sky]

You use them with the detonator, I think.

[dense violet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI3ZM4Zzhqs

[hard stump]

Ohh meh lol ty

[zealous urchin]

wny not just use curve mod

[spark sky]

I'm playing Vanilla.

[dense violet]

that video is vanilla. And easy

[spark sky]

I was replying to @zealous urchin

[dense violet]

I know and I was pointing a thing out

[spark sky]

At any rate, thanks for the video, I probably already had it saved, but will see what it has to say.

Yes, I already had it saved.

[spark sky]

I also subscribed to The Drawing Board Discord, he's got some blueprints on there.

...
You know, I watched a video that was a time-lapse of someone building a container cargo ship in Satisfactory, as a storage location for all her nuclear waste, but I never saw where she put in any storage or linked any transport to it, so, I don't know if she was just roleplaying that it was storage or what the deal was.

It was an impressive construction project, even if it wasn't actually functional. #screenshots message

[glossy flare]

question for people

if i lined up 9 constructors and had a line of ore go into it would it split the 270 igots evenly?

instead of splitting the 270 a bunch of times

jsut have a solid line and it split off into constructors

[zealous urchin]

u are probably describing something called a manifold

it will eventualy split it evenly yes

but it will first fill up the nearest one, then second and so on

[glossy flare]

which thats fine cuase its filling as im making it

only thing is this bare min cause this would be at 100% efficientcy

its a 270 belt of iron going into 9 constructors to make 180 iron plates per min

[hasty stump]

if you're having trouble filling them all because they're all running then you can turn off a couple of them to let things fill

then turn back on when saturated

[glossy flare]

how would you guys do it

what would be the best way to split 270 ore into 9 constructors

[hasty stump]

the math is easy for that one if you want to load balance
3 way splitter, then each of the outputs of that splitter get split 3 ways

but i'd probably just manifold it

[whole drum]

Do you have Mk4 belts?

[glossy flare]

no only to 3 rn

[glossy flare]

manifolding it would work right i dont have to worry about 1 not having any ore to process?

[hasty stump]

yea, eventually it will work, but if you're feeding 270 and consuming 270 then it'll take a while for the last machine to get anything

[glossy flare]

but if i let it fill up first it would be fine?

[hasty stump]

yes, absolutely

i do it all the time, let the first stage of factory run to saturation while i build the second stage, etc

[glossy flare]

ok thank you

[compact flicker]

My 1twh battery project is coming along nicely

260Gwh done so far

[zealous urchin]

finaly automated synth shards

[compact flicker]

Time to make slug carousels everywhere

[silk ocean]

I only have 73GWh of energy storage xD

Kinda rely on the power plants never failing

50GWh is in a detached kickstart building in the event the system entirely falls over

[whole drum]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1449665840986193931
It's too bad nights tend to be so short...

[left relic]

I do not know where to put bugs (and this one is not game breaking) but at -414, 2757 there's a rock the you can clip though

[silk rose]

yo whats the good tool to plan my factory? im not talking about production line, i mean drawing machine block placements on foundations, logistics etc

[silk ocean]

If there is a lithium fire in that facility it will burn the island down XD

[compact flicker]

It already burns my frames when I look at it lol

[silk ocean]

Burn the island or burn your GPU xD

[zealous urchin]

so u want a program where u can place models in relation to other models and asses their dimensions where the end product is visual representation of 3d space?

[silk rose]

yes, and 2d could work just fine

[zealous urchin]

i mean

[young geyser]

guys? how do you build your factory? cause iam working on a BUS but iam having trouble of how i want to do it. bc when i build smh on the bus i need to take it back to the beggining of the bus yk? and that distance is very long cause i just felt like starting on the left side of the map and going ll the way to the lake in the middle of the map. so i was thinking and came up with a sollution a DONUT. my BUS will continue to the swamp and to the green forest and end again in the rocky desert at the left side. Time to build it will be very long and inefficent but iv spend 27h on this save already and i only have steel production. Also to mention i would need to upgrade the belts with eatch tier which would also take a lot of time. So any other ideas or will i just spend 50h before actually starting to play the game?

[zealous urchin]

game itself is a program like that u know

[whole drum]

Don't. Do. Bus.

[silk ocean]

Bus doesn't work very well in Satisfactory.. are you a Factorio player xD

[silk rose]

i dont want to rebuild factory like 10 times instead of planning it before building.

[silk ocean]

Look up Independency on the wiki xD

[young geyser]

iv started on satisfactorio build a double bus then came to factorio didnt build a bus gailed builded a bus compleated the game and now iam coming to satis w my busses

[mortal ginkgo]

"guys? how do you build your factory? cause iam working on a BUS-"

Lord have mercy upon thine innocent and naive soul. I shall pray for thee endlessly.

[zealous urchin]

🚌

[silk ocean]

I wish you all the luck you can get XD

[young geyser]

ok guys you dont understand i will build a DONUT stretching over the half of the map and spend 10 hours every belt upgrade tier

[mortal ginkgo]

Luck: "Na' bro me gud yo dawg."

[zealous urchin]

i get it, look at it this way tho, you would delete "planner ideas" 10 times too

[silk rose]

bruh to delete idea in plan i dont need to spend 20 mins cuz dismantle limit is 50

[zealous urchin]

tbf idk if any mini modeler exists

[young geyser]

#screenshots so far my bus

[hasty stump]

and then 10 more hours hunting for the one piece of belt that you missed upgrading

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @leaden turret

[silk rose]

i cannot even move buildings in game

[mortal ginkgo]

I want to look at from the bright side to understand you but ALL I SEE IS DARKNESS AND AGONY BROTHERMAN

[silk ocean]

This seems mildly insane xD

What are you going to do, stack it like 50 belts high

[young geyser]

#screenshots and theres my plan for donut

[silk ocean]

This is far out dude

[silk rose]

this game save file does not like long belts especially 50 stacked long belts full of items

[young geyser]

i will be the one to decide

[whole drum]

If only there was a mass cargo transportation option that didn't require belting 100 belts over 5km each and could be easily managed via storage boxes...

[silk ocean]

Your item count is going to be through the roof

[stone python]

they changed how the collision works recently, so it shouldnt be as big an issue as it used to

[silk rose]

the point is it needs to store item position on belt

[whole drum]

Only to a point. The game fakes it when you're beyond a certain range.

You can do a bus. It's just not a very wise idea.

Megafactory is arguably more risky, performance-wise.

[silk rose]

oh thats why my oil power plant behaves weird when i load and unload it

[stone python]

no, that is due to something else

[whole drum]

Liquids are buggy

[stone python]

the game fakes the rendering of the items on the belts after a certain distance, but its still 100% accurate thuroughput wise

[silk rose]

its for sure connected to me being close, maybe its just fluids as usual. #1 blame fluids

[whole drum]

It calculates the inputs/outputs and everything according to the connections, yes--but it doesn't "move" them when you're super far away, saving you a lot of cpu/gpu power.

[silk rose]

#2 blame simon

[stone python]

it 100% has nothing to do with you being close/far away

[young geyser]

#screenshots my bus

[silk rose]

arguing about that would be pointless i think. imagine me sending video proof xd

[silk ocean]

It looks cool but oh boy you're gonna have a rough ride XD

[young geyser]

#screenshots touch friendly belts

[stone python]

theres nothing to argue, your factory just isnt set up correctly on the fluids side

[silk ocean]

How are you planning on drawing from it

[young geyser]

iv already spend 27h i can do it

[zealous urchin]

ive found something, but Santa needs to know if u've been good this year

[young geyser]

splitters

[silk rose]

bruuh

[silk ocean]

Well yea but doesn't seem room for them

[silk rose]

got all exams maxed

[zealous urchin]

allright

[stone python]

loving it so far. nice and wiiiiiiiiide

[young geyser]

see? this guy gets it

[round crown]

how and when can i make power shards

[silk ocean]

alt recipe, end-game tech

[young geyser]

just collect your friendly bugs for now

[sterile blade]

You can use some SaLT or look for software similar to that

[zealous urchin]

its called
Satisfactory Layout Tool
SaLT
it has a reddit post and discord server, can fire up in browser or download

seems great, and up to date too

i might start using this myself

[silk rose]

thank you and have an efficient day

[young geyser]

#screenshots smh to tweak you guys out

[ripe basin]

Now steel. . .
Im going to die without seeng phase 3 in SF+

Why it must be so overcomplicated

[sterile blade]

Goes to the corner to be ignored

[whole drum]

You got a loicense to drive that bus? 👮

[young geyser]

il be a donut officer

[sterile blade]

AFAIK it's not up to date. Nice to use, sure, but out of development since a couple years (so it might be missing new machines)

[young geyser]

step out of the B-UUS kid

this guy laso gets my donut plan

[zealous urchin]

it goes up to particle accelerator tho

[young geyser]

#screenshots you can see my plan for the donut

[zealous urchin]

who is vencam?

[stone python]

just FYI, salt io hasnt been in development for 4 years, so youll need to dl some drawio stuff someone on the discord put together. It is similar, but not exactly the same as the saltio stuff, and not everything is in there for the later phases

[zealous urchin]

oh

[sterile blade]

They have been in the game for a few years, unlike all of tier 9 (added at 1.0 launch)

[zealous urchin]

i see

[sterile blade]

Not the guy who's happy when pineapple is on pizza, for sure

[zealous urchin]

i wanna be chief of donut quality control department

man

u gotta start adding cheese and peperoni on pineaples

reverse warfare

[silk rose]

i just need some rocket fuel so i think its fine

[ripe basin]

The fuck you mean coal is 1 kilometer away?

[silk ocean]

1km is close

[stone python]

time to leg it

[mortal ginkgo]

bro thinks 1km is far away. I kek at bro

[zealous urchin]

leaves you out with converter which is 2x2 box and Encoder, seems good enough to me

[ripe basin]

I know, but not when belts are fucking E X P E N S I V E

[sterile blade]

1 km is close to 1200 meters

[silk ocean]

1km is close to 3km

[silk ocean]

Are they?

[ripe basin]

Definetily more expensive than base game

[silk ocean]

Of all the words to describe belts, expensive isn't one of them XD

[young geyser]

get her? i can get a gf with fusing belts?

[mortal ginkgo]

#screenshots message

Tractors are your friend.

[silk ocean]

maxeek maxeek

[ripe basin]

Need steel to research that

[mortal ginkgo]

manual transfer coal once, you are good to go 😄

or coupons if that fancies you

[young geyser]

tractors? guys.... your giving me ideas

[ripe basin]

I cant buy stuff with coupons, welcome to SF+

[sterile blade]

Sounds like a Modding server problem :P

[zealous urchin]

i hereby declare that all milestones are done, synth shards and packaged ionzied fuel been automated, all for the price of my sanity

[silk rose]

well the website itself seems to be kinda pointless, cannot even mass select/move/zoop/see clearance

[young geyser]

guys what if i finish my donut with tractors?

[ripe basin]

Would be nice

[young geyser]

huh?

[young geyser]

ye i just dont know about their speed

[sterile blade]

... Why not just get some QOL mods for object placement (ie: moving placed items, bigger mass deletes, bigger blueprints...)?
It's not easy to make layout tools that allow you to design things quicker than you can do with a modded game

[ripe basin]

Use explorers

[young geyser]

those shitty ass cars? i hate those

[silk rose]

vanilla save 🥀

[sterile blade]

Yeah
That is your choice to make, but doesn't quite answer my question xD

[silk rose]

wasnt your question 'why not use mods'

[leaden turret]

-# [insert dragon ball z reference here]

[sterile blade]

Yes

[young geyser]

they suck ass

[silk rose]

and i said vanilla save, no mods.

[silk ocean]

1km is like the resource is on your porch xD

[silk rose]

map is like 3x3 tho

no metrical system, chads measure in stacks

[zealous urchin]

profesional design programs are expensive

[sterile blade]

That waz kinda obvious from the moment you said "I can't move things I placed" and says nothing about why you don't want to use mods
Not that it's really important, anyway, as the point was just that Modding can allow the creation (and modification) of layouts quickly; layout tools can try to mimic that, but usually end up in the middle between a vanilla game and a modded one, bringing little value to the table in term of time efficiency

[zealous urchin]

whats the mod's name

[silk ocean]

smol xD

[brave ruin]

Guys I need to make a projekt to make a projekt to make a projekt

[sterile blade]

Great point ahahah
Though, ti be fair, it also has many layers!

[silk rose]

yes, i think i will use some mods on my next save but need to complete this one first.

[sterile blade]

Dunno, as the one I used to use has long been discontinued.
But I know there's a lot of choice in that kind of mods as there have been many versions made

[silk rose]

for some reason i feel like you are from eastern europe

are you

[zealous urchin]

Maxeek is from Elsewyr

[silk rose]

wher

[zealous urchin]

Prague more west than Vien

[silk rose]

so you are?

[zealous urchin]

Elsewyr

its the land of Khajiti

[silk rose]

spire coast gang

some people imagine they are 💀

[mortal ginkgo]

@cinder magnet that piece is simply missing in game unfortunately. You can only fill it up with the foundation variant (or mods)

[cinder magnet]

:c

but thanks

#design-and-architecture

[sterile blade]

Meanwhile, at CSS: "Yes, surely they just want new vehicles. New vehicles is all the players want!"

[zealous urchin]

@silk rose what is that Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz building u made there

[silk rose]

ahahahhahahahahah it is what it is

poweraugmentiantor

[silk rose]

#screenshots message

[zealous urchin]

imagine one of them lizard doggos is Pepe the Platypus in disguise

[whole drum]

Then stop following your "rules" and try something novel

[silk rose]

they all are agents

[silk rose]

where else can they get nukes

[zealous urchin]

if u dont go out of ur way u wont learn anything new

and dont say bad things about urself

[sterile blade]

Like people who never get to appreciate some good sushi

[silk rose]

does oil count

[zealous urchin]

WHY, just why

[silk rose]

i hate bioburners lowkey

[silk rose]

sushi is too hard to make and need like 100% stable factories on both sides

im at 5th

or 4th idk

if only i had more time

then download 9070xt

ye game runs on 1050

[silk ocean]

download more RAM

Cheaper than buying it right now XD 😉

[zealous urchin]

download income automation and telomere regeneration

[silk rose]

download more vram for that 5060 8gb ai slop machine 💀

[silk ocean]

AI slop RAM ftw

I did an upgrade over the summer, glad I did now

[silk rose]

arc is pretty good i wonder if they will dilver in arc C or whatever

[silk ocean]

Celestial

[silk rose]

ye i went from 16 ddr3 to 32 ddr4

[silk rose]

its never allocated for more than 16 tho

[ivory condor]

At least it has 4x MFG,thats alot of free performance right....right

[silk ocean]

I moved to Steelseries a few years ago

[silk rose]

lmao having 50 ping on your controls

[silk ocean]

Yea, this does, it also has an onboard processor so you don't need the software running for the lighting effects

[whole drum]

.

[ivory condor]

Just get used to that delay on the input, its fine

[silk rose]

unable to play shooters with combined ping of 120

[ivory condor]

Right so ping of 120 is fine for you

I wish I was seral, but I lost my void rays and didnt recover from the lose

[silk rose]

i play with south africa friend sometimes, i play better so he hosts the game and im at 200 ping that balances out skill difference

[ivory condor]

You know what would balance it out even more 4x MFG and having 250 ping

[silk ocean]

200ms getting a bit laggy

Light doesn't travel fast enough

[silk rose]

when he runs i just shoot 1m ahead, ping adds bullet speed lmao

[silk ocean]

lolz

[ivory condor]

Really how much ping was there

[silk rose]

fancy bullet ballistics
250 ping

[ivory condor]

250 ping, we can do better 4x MFG, 300 ping here we come

[silk rose]

new nvidia rtx gtx gefoce dlss oc dual quadro 6969 comes with 0% screen percentage AI upscaling, compete in any game using promts

[silk ocean]

1 real frame, 1 fake frame, 1 AI slop frame

[silk rose]

25th frame method ahh

[silk rose]

rtx 6767

[ivory condor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/1n0ppwf/nvidia_pushes_neural_rendering_in_gaming_with/ Nvidia is already planning 100% AI generated frames

[silk rose]

oh i forgot we have rx 6700 already

[silk rose]

wait real

[ivory condor]

rtx 60 series is when the 100% AI slop really starts to get pushed down our throats

[sterile blade]

Misunderstandings like "it needs to be perfect" are part of the reason why so many are hesitant to even try 😭 (unreasonably so imo)

[silk ocean]

Copilot told me that I'm in "potato mode" today because I said I was playing video games xD

[ivory condor]

Yes Nvidia is riding the AI train hard, this shouldnt be a suprise

Now Nvidia sees a future when literally the entire game is AI slop, all fake, every single frame

[silk rose]

i hope intel can replace them on pc gpus market next gen

[silk rose]

else its gonna be amd monopoly thats prob bad

[ivory condor]

Assuming intel/amd dont start pushing the ai slop hard to

[silk ocean]

me potato

[silk rose]

github copilot?

[silk ocean]

The one with Windows

[zealous urchin]

tf are even fake frames and ai frames

[silk rose]

ai slop frames 💀

[ivory condor]

Well maybe not, if Nvidia can convince the gaming industry their ai neural rendering is the future and games adapt it, this could be a play by Nvidia to try to push the ai slop down our throats, even if we dont want it

Though at this point I'm just going to refuse to buy these games if they support this neural rendering bullshit

[silk ocean]

"framegen" 🙂

[silk rose]

let neiro link make you think like sober

[shy mulch]

Copilot is pretty good for work related stuff. Is it just me or is GPT getting worse though. I think 5.1 is trying to use too big a context frame and confuses itself

[ivory condor]

fake frames = ai frames = ai slop frames

take your pick, its the ai garbage that is infecting everything that was once good....

[zealous urchin]

but what even is it and why is it bad

[shy mulch]

99% of people who complain about fake frames wouldn't know which is which if a real frame and an AI frame were side by side

[silk rose]

bruh i just realized that nvidia gen 50 is phase 5 and they make ai expansion servers

[sterile blade]

FrameGeneration, aka FrameGen, SlopFrames or low-cost-Frames or MIC-Frames (Made-In-China) are additional frames made by "guessing" what should be between 2 actually rendered frames, bringing up the total framerate with... Pretty divisive results xD

[silk ocean]

My last experience with GPT was asking it how many typical 22 carat diamonds could be cut from a diamond-infused 300m diameter asteroid that collides with the earth... it went ULTRA DEEP.. like 5 pages of math xD

[sterile blade]

"Guessing" a frame is quicker and takes less resources than actually rendering a frame, but it's also less accurate

[ivory condor]

Well thats a good question and to give some perspective, we should look at how games are using frame gen, such as monster hunter wilds, because this is a really good example, of how frame gen shouldnt be used

because you see the thing about frame gen you absolutely need to have a good frame rate to have a decent example, aka at least 60 fps to start with is what i would always recommend

[shy mulch]

That is a strong point, it's pretty good at that kind of thing, and will provide sources for you to check on any formulas it's used

[silk ocean]

Yea I was quite impressed

[gray hill]

Just a quick question, I've got all my pipes on the same level does that mean I dont need pumps?

[shy mulch]

Yes

Pumps are only for verticality

[ivory condor]

but then you have these ai slop games aka monster hunter wilds, that requires 1080p framegen just for 60 fps🤮

[silk rose]

1080p upscaled from 144p with 4x fg may give you 60 fps

[ivory condor]

and this inlines why framegen is so bad, not that its a bad idea, but that game devs are now using to try put it into place of actual real performance, which fake frames aka ai slop frames isnt, it adds latency and lag and if your frame rate is slow enough you'll see alot of artifacts to, because the ai is only guessing at what the frames are and it gets alot of information wrong

[sterile blade]

I think that strongly depends on what's on screen. Eg: if things are moving fast (FPS kind of game) you need more frames to have a decent guess of what's between them, but if things move slow (eg: building in SF when not moving the camera fast) then less frames are required to capture the movement of things accurately (and thus make decent fake frames)

[silk rose]

all but mk4+ belts

[ivory condor]

monster hunter wilds is a good example of why framegen can be so bad indeed unfortunately

[silk ocean]

SlopFrames are the best frames because you have no idea if you're still playing the same game XD

[mortal tree]

is there a good wa to transport all resourse with hum to another location easliy?

[sterile blade]

That's why I focused on building rather than, like, "admiring the factory" xD
Fast belts and frameGen don't go well together 😭

[silk rose]

what do you mean with hum

[sterile blade]

*all resources with you(?)

[mortal tree]

hub

[silk rose]

using pioneer hands?

[ivory condor]

Well DLSS in general when you think about it is SlopFrames to, its just gotten so good we don't notice it now

[silk ocean]

Yea lol

[sterile blade]

The answer to both is likely "vehicles" ^^

[ivory condor]

The real difference though is the ai has information with ai upscaling, so it can get better at guessing whats there

[zealous urchin]

whats the point of guessing if u already have good frames
makes no sense

and it cant substitute good frames

[silk rose]

if they want 120 instead of 60

[ivory condor]

We truly have been living in the era of ai slop, and deep down we are starting to like it

[ivory condor]

because monster hunter wilds is so poorly optimized you cant get 60 fps at 1080p without frame gen

and the devs didnt care, so they put in framegen just to reach 60 fps 1080p so enjoy

[silk rose]

by the way what are best settings for satisfactory? i can get 60 on highest but for example i dont think i need that infinite render distance for hair on hogs ass. general graphics presets dont seem optimised enough

[sterile blade]

Sometimes you can get pretty good guesses (thus good frames) in addition to the Frames you already have without taxing your GPU even more... In other words: smoother video (with good quality) without needing to lower your graphic settings
At least ideally, I think

[stone python]

if i cant zoom in from 5km away oto a hogs ass and see them hairs blowing in the wind, then my imersion is ruined

[silk rose]

im not on that rtx 6969 🥀

[zealous urchin]

lazyness maxing

[ivory condor]

More or less yes

[silk rose]

unity does not run well compared to ue as i know, does it?

[zealous urchin]

dsp is an okay game

[ivory condor]

no it doesn't we shouldnt wish this game was made in unity....

[gray hill]

I have a question, my production and capacity are the same like the change with each other, what does that mean?

[ivory condor]

i think you can probably optimize better for unity, but i have seen some not so good examples of optimized unity games unfortunately

[zealous urchin]

the party in question:
most random dnd group u could ever pull together

[ivory condor]

I have yet to play dsp👀

I guess the devs figured out how to work around the dogshit that is unity

[silk rose]

they only differ when bio burners stop when they are not needed so you have 10 gens but grid only need 3 so your capacity is 10 * power of one gen, but production is 3 * power of one gen

[ivory condor]

We should consider this impressive they were able to overcome the bullshit that is unity

[silk ocean]

It was alright in subnautica?

[ivory condor]

what👀

[silk ocean]

What was wrong with it, good looking game

[ivory condor]

heresy

[ivory condor]

Nothing, but I have decent so idk I don't have 15 years old pc

[silk ocean]

It's gonna be RIP on a 15 y/o rig

Like mps... MINUTES PER FRAME

[silk rose]

blender moment

[silk ocean]

Unity seems pretty good these days, was playing Crime Scene Cleaner, runs well

Not particularly large worlds tho

B570?

[stone python]

reply hook?

[silk ocean]

Discord uses quite a lot of RAM according to task manager - about 1 GB on my system

[stone python]

it does

been a thing for a while now, before youtube started doing it

[zealous urchin]

remember when discord used just as much pc resources as team speak?

[silk ocean]

Good old days

[stone python]

better than the old system. Nested replies >>>>>> un-nested replies

[silk ocean]

I use Tweaks for YouTube extension (official one), a lot of options in that

[limpid hazel]

until the very last experimental update subnautica used the default unity physics timestep of 50hz which meant there was always stuttering when you walked

and the fishes stuttered

and everything other than swimming, basically

[silk ocean]

I think I played it after release so I guess I missed that.... it's not uncommon to see that sort of thing in some games, like background simulation ticks at 50Hz, foliage doesn't move smoothly, etc

[zealous urchin]

real

[limpid hazel]

this didn't get fixed until 2024

[silk ocean]

Oh I played way before 2024, I never noticed that though

[limpid hazel]

most people don't, not even developers. 👁️ 👄 👁️

it would be one thing if it was 60hz, but it's not. it's 50. you get stuttering on the standard 60hz screen at 60fps. i don't understand.

[silk ocean]

I didn't play the experimental branch though, if that makes a difference

[stone python]

would be cool if there was some subnautioca style stuff in satisfactory

[limpid hazel]

it was fixed in experimental in 2024 (or 2023 even) but wasn't even pushed to main until this year.

[silk ocean]

Last played Subnautica May 2023, but that was definitely a 2nd or 3rd playthru. Purchased it in May 2019

[stone python]

wana relive the good ole 0.1.0 days?

[ivory condor]

sf classic?

[limpid hazel]

a large breadth of unity games have this problem and I feel as if that has contributed to the unspecified feeling of unity being bad without people realizing why exactly

[ivory condor]

wait is sf classic some kind of very early alpha or pre-alpha, i remember the devs showing some really old builds of sf and they are nothing like what we have now

[silk ocean]

Running Discord on Linux in a proxmox VM and it's only using 320MB... what sorcery is this

and 1.1 GB on Windows

[ivory condor]

update 3, it isnt hard to revert to that, because steam keeps depots

[zealous urchin]

which windows?

[silk ocean]

The one with two ones in it 😉

[zealous urchin]

im not touching that trash

[silk ocean]

I doubt 10 is any better

[ivory condor]

Update 2, yeah I have that to, it was before pipes, the game was fine with all of the belts everywhere

[zealous urchin]

true

last good one was 7

[ivory condor]

windows 7 was amazing

[silk ocean]

I've tweaked 11 a lot, and using StartAllBack for the taskbar/start menu, it's basically windows 10 xD

[ivory condor]

I remember seeing the first builds for update 8 and I just died inside, it was such garbage🤮

they turned a amazing ui into phone/touch screen slop and I was devasted deep down truly

[silk ocean]

They lost the plot a bit with 8/8.1

[ivory condor]

I mean seriously going from windows 7 ui, to the bullshit that was windows 8, wtf was microsoft smoking when they did that

[silk ocean]

Didn't the head of UI basically "depart the company" on Windows 8 launch day xD

[stone python]

it was at the start of the touchscreen laptop craze and they gambeled that it would take off way more than it did

[zealous urchin]

i forgor windows 8 even existed

[silk ocean]

The mistake was forcing that poop onto desktop users

[leaden turret]

mental image horror warning: ||now giving you the mental image of if windows 8 was still a thing and Satisfactory had a Windows 8 UI||

[zealous urchin]

[silk ocean]

Apart from the UI, Windows 8 was actually pretty good

[zealous urchin]

stroke and heart attack simultaneously

[ivory condor]

Yeah you could say that, the plot went...who the hell knows

All I know is the windows 8 ui was so bad i just refused to switch from windows 7, because fuck that

I mean god coming up with such a horrible ui like that

[silk ocean]

It got scrumpled up, turned into paper mache phone, set on fire

I should have stuck with 7 yea, 8 wasn't bad enough to bother going back

[ivory condor]

windows 8 ui = literally trash that is on fire😇

[silk ocean]

I could tolerate the fullscreen start menu while clicking something briefly

[silk ocean]

A rolling dumpster fire xD

....that crashes into a car and sets that on fire too

[zealous urchin]

only goats remember playing minesweeper on 98 win

[silk ocean]

I remember playing it on Windows 3.11 xD

I think 😄

or was it 95.. shrug

[stone python]

i remember playing it in real life, before microsoft stile the idea

[zealous urchin]

just wait for someone saying they did it on potato battery

[ivory condor]

even windows 3.11 had a better ui than windows 8🤣 , truly amazing work from microsoft, coming up with a worse ai than what they were even making back in 93.....

[silk ocean]

lmao so true

They smoked a bit too much of something when making 8 xD

[weak tapir]

Hi, where I can leave suggestion for devs?

[ivory condor]

the only thing that might be able to match it might be like windows 1, but that is so long ago at that point lmao

[silk ocean]

Arguably even MS-DOS is a better UI than Windows 8 lolol

[ivory condor]

actually you might be able to argue even windows 1 had a better ui....maybe

[stone python]

petridge farm remember windows ME

[ivory condor]

I remember windows ME being a worse version of 98

[silk ocean]

Yea and driver support sucked on ME

[ivory condor]

alot of stability issues, etc, it was under cooked i think and needed more time in the oven, i think ms pushed changes out to fast and quality suffered

[scenic mirage]

windows 7 was the goat bro

[silk ocean]

They had to get it out for the Millennium and it ain't no ready XD

[scenic mirage]

RIP windows 7

[stone python]

it never needed to be released to begin with. It wqas a pure cash grab and a cash in on the craze that shit would break if they didnt have the newest software due to year no longer containing a 1 at the start. xp released the next year

[leaden turret]

reminiscing about windows is #off-topic-tech

[zealous urchin]

windows options in sf ofc

hexagonal angled amd whatnot

[scenic mirage]

capitalism breeds innovation like half assed OS uis and half functioning LLM technology 😂

[zealous urchin]

(remember google glasses?)

[silk ocean]

That was a flop xD

I think ME featured for like 1 week in my entire Windows history... took a week before it got thrown out the upstairs window

[scenic mirage]

killedbygoogle has a list of all the google flops 😂 🙊

[silk ocean]

It's a looooong list xD

[scenic mirage]

they stole all your image data in google photos to train their latest image generator too

a kitten and purple maybe

[zealous urchin]

khajiti gang

[scenic mirage]

huh

[leaden turret]

khajit have wares if you have

is in favour of the puppies and kittens, therefore we know probably plays khajit

[scenic mirage]

lizard doggos are great but if you had lizard kittens they could go around eating random cables and disconnecting random parts of your factories

[sterile blade]

To their own risk and peril

[scenic mirage]

thatd be a fun mod

you have to protect the cables somehow

[teal geyser]

Armoured cable?!

[scenic mirage]

i meant more like surrounding it with walls or beams or smth but maybe

[teal geyser]

What if you actually needed to produce insulated cable that could carry more load for the heavier machines like Particle Accelerator?

[subtle plinth]

Can we craft firework or not ?

[leaden turret]

they considered making power management more complicated then thought better of it

[zealous urchin]

power managment would complicate too much for new players

would also add another complexity layer on planning

so i see why they didnt go for it

[scenic mirage]

itd be a fun mod tho

[zealous urchin]

u know whats also fun

SF+

[scenic mirage]

whats that

[zealous urchin]

satisfactory plus

[scenic mirage]

i mean i couldve guessed that but whats the difference

[stone python]

there is a + after it

[scenic mirage]

ah yeah i missed that thanks

[zealous urchin]

its redone and more complex version

like new machines, recipes

expanded production chains

its way more tedious and requires you to relearn ratios and items

it also changes resources and nodes

[ivory condor]

irl, how is this a thing

[naive lynx]

ok question

i am considering making a fuel power generator

using rocket fuel, which will require 1360 fuel generators running rocket fuel

is this excessive or should i just go for it for fun

[zealous urchin]

can you imagine yourself placing 1360 fuel generators?

[naive lynx]

it will be hell, but i would do it

[zealous urchin]

5x5 blueprint takes in 4 fuel gens

[naive lynx]

i mean thats only 340 blueprints to place

[zealous urchin]

if u havent done RF before go for it but i dont think its the way

[naive lynx]

i mean its my first playthrough hitting this point of the game

[ivory condor]

rocket fuel is insanely good, i would argue its too good for a fuel power, easily competing with nuclear power and being far simpler to setup and make

[stray inlet]

how do you find out how much trains output p/m?

[zealous urchin]

RF is good

[ivory condor]

the simpler part infact does it some ways make it superior to nuclear power, dont even have to deal with any byproducts like nuclear waste either, making it even simpler on that front to, so only need one plant for the rocket fuel and thats it for the main production step

[zealous urchin]

but the space

[scenic mirage]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Train_throughput

[zealous urchin]

and nitrogen use

[stray inlet]

ty

[zealous urchin]

not to mention endless sea of generators that need to be placed

[silent dust]

You know you're an addict when you roll outta bed hours earlier than your S.O. just to get an early start on building. Good morning, fellow FICSIT employees.

[ivory condor]

It does take slightly more nitrogen, aka 2.7k vs 3.3k, but considering how easy the production lines are and how much less you have to deal with overall once its all setup, thats a easy trade off to make imo

600 more nitrogen, only having to make one rocket production plant, the only other downside is having to use the entire spiral coast oil supply, but you should be prepared for that kind of trade of if your going endgame RF power

[zealous urchin]

its ur playthrough but this ammount is 2 much imo unless u realy want it urself
truth is u will be good with just a quarter of that in terms of beating the game
if u wanna go for some crazy personal projects then yes i can see it work although u need to reserve alot of space and i mean ALOT

[ivory condor]

also 8400 RF for 3450 oil, is still crazy how good those numbers are

thats some insane efficiency, aka RF is really too good imo and should be nerfed, its way to strong for a fuel power

[naive lynx]

you know it sounds funny, im gonna do it

and overkill is good

means i can go to nuclear later

[ivory condor]

idk you dont have to i just throw my save files around without a care in the world

i mean what really is worth taking, guess you could just copy my RF setup and have some insane RF production on the spiral coast if you really want that

[scenic mirage]

do it for the love of the grind

[ivory condor]

Do you need 8400 RF, my plant over there is making some👀

[silent dust]

Good god. That is a lot of RF

[ivory condor]

yeah I wasn't kidding I'm using all of the spiral coast oil to make RF😆

thats 3450 to 8400 RF

[zealous urchin]

rocket fuel burned in four v6 strapped together

[ivory condor]

I went RF for endgame power, it was a boring solution to my power needs but it works

and by that I mean RF plant was way to easy to setup, aka boring

[zealous urchin]

its kinda fast to make

if u wanna rush it

tough as hell to decorate and design tho

[silent dust]

Ahhh, okay that's less insane. RF didn't exist last time I was there, but just standing up my Turbofuel Power Plant in the Blue Crater.

[ivory condor]

yeah, even making that 8400 RF plant didnt take that long to get online

[zealous urchin]

meanwhile me with 32k power finishing all milestones in tier 9

[silent dust]

It's much easier up there in the NW side of the map where you have access to a lot more flat space

[ivory condor]

you can finish the game with even less, it all depends how much you want to scale and how fast

you can even finish the game on biomass alone to now

meaning all power sources including coal is optional

[zealous urchin]

nucular pasta being the reason why more power is needed

[ivory condor]

people have finished the game without even using coal, all biomass burners, no coal used

[silent dust]

"Hold my beer"

[ivory condor]

the key is to underclock the PA's to cut down the power usage

[zealous urchin]

im making that mfer work on 500%

im not waiting

10k average use

[ivory condor]

well those PA's are going to use alot of power indeed then lmao

[zealous urchin]

bee my guest

[ivory condor]

that makes sense if your pushing them that hard, a single one would indeed use 10k average

[zealous urchin]

i think i post a screen even

unironicaly one of few uses of acumulators

[zenith pecan]

Sloops are too alluring, that alien poer augmentor is too good to have as well.

[ivory condor]

there is a reason why we are given only a limited amount of sloops, literal god tier items

[zealous urchin]

sloops make boxfeeding A* tier strat

[zenith pecan]

[ivory condor]

sloops are in many ways far more valuable than the spheres, because of the many applications, with both power enhancing and item replication,

[silk ocean]

I'm currently running a SloopReclamationProject™ on the side

[limpid orchid]

Hey, i found Packaged Rocket Fuel in my Inv and i dont know from where i got it. Does someone know?

From where can you get it?

[mortal ginkgo]

grabbed around the hard drive crash sites

[ivory condor]

No but I'm going to eat you to take the powers you have😼

[limpid orchid]

Can you only get it from there? I cant find a Recipe

[mortal ginkgo]

recipe needs some phase 4 items to be made, rocket fuel itself is in MaM I think

so you got some time for it,

[limpid orchid]

I can upgrade to Phase 4 but i wanna do MaM first for thinks.

[mortal ginkgo]

they are not connected to each other directly so do what you think is fancy

[zealous urchin]

@ivory condor does underclocking reduce power usage lineary?

[ivory condor]

no, it works i think kind of like overclocking but i would need to check the numbers

[silk ocean]

Inversely exponential isn't it?

[zealous urchin]

seral always played zerg what

[ivory condor]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Clock_speed#/media/File:Satisfactory_constructor_overclock.png

[silk ocean]

Almost linear xD

[ivory condor]

yeah the graph suprises me

[silk ocean]

Me too, I definitely thought it was more exponential

[ivory condor]

yeah i did to

its slightly nonlinear but not exactly exponential either

[silk ocean]

Yea

Definitely surprised by that

[zealous urchin]

if it was inversly exponential it would be like those infinately stacking gears in which after all time in universe passes u have stored so much energy ucould make another big bang

[silk ocean]

xD

Perhaps the wrong term 😄

[zealous urchin]

beating the game on 1 biomass burner

in time it takes for all atoms to become iron

[silk ocean]

Clocked at 1% 😈

[mortal ginkgo]

This brotherman gonna finish the game when Satisfactory 3 - Intergalactic Factory Empire MMO releases.

I kek at this lil bro. Kek.

[silk ocean]

Big kek xD

[vague burrow]

I just learned the importance of throttling belts going into machines in a manifold setup. So much time wasted.

[silk ocean]

They should still all fill up eventually

[zealous urchin]

well, when they are at 1% they will fill up faster

[vague burrow]

Yes, but it can take such a long time. It is incredibly faster to get all the machines to be green if you have a the slowest possible belts going off each splitter into the machines.

[silk ocean]

It's a technique yea

[vague burrow]

Especially when you have 960 aluminum scrap going into a single manifold. You're going to wait a long time.

[zealous urchin]

load avalanching

[mortal ginkgo]

fill them up manually

[vague burrow]

Yes, you could always prime them by filling them up, yes.

[zealous urchin]

gotta manualy feed all the electronics with quirkwire

[vague burrow]

It depends on the size of the stack. If it's a huge stack, it can take forever for the manifold to fill.

[fierce holly]

Hi guys

[silk rose]

hello pioneer

[silk ocean]

WAT

sorcery is this

[mortal ginkgo]

I don't understand 95% of the stuff he says.

I am not joking. I just.. don't get it.

It's like AI saying stuff randomly but in a "low server capacity" way.

Its cute but not for me.

[silk ocean]

AI slop
Maxeek are you an AI xD

[green fiber]

Max is the alt account of one of the Tick-Giraffe-Whale-Penguin creatures

[mortal ginkgo]

THE ENTIRE ELDEN RING LORE WASN'T THIS DEEP YET THIS GIGACHAD SOLVED IT ALL OMG

I am in Shock, Disbelief, Horror, Joy and Sadness at the SAME time!

[modern flame]

why water no work

i have a pipe segment full of water, i drag a pipe from there

water no go

[fluid sapphire]

water want go high?

[modern flame]

water not go very high, but have used lift as well, no fix

[fluid sapphire]

#1038092680493801533 post overhead images of your pipework

[modern flame]

want water go to fuel. understand make loop so no slosh, manifold coal

[remote pasture]

How many coal power generstors can 2 water extracktor be able to power?

[frigid meteor]

how to make ornament bundle

[hard ivy]

check the codex

[frigid meteor]

i dont see it in there

[hard ivy]

then you don't have it unlocked

[compact flicker]

5.333

[frigid meteor]

I do, I have all branches except for the last one where you need ornament bundles to unlock it