satisfactory

[strong fiber]

When do i get blenders gang

Is it in phase 4

[bitter lodge]

ya importing 2k baux, apparently the recyle amount is 1.2k water.

which technically could supply 6 refineries.

[dense violet]

ok come to #math-and-meta

[feral jay]

Just fired up the game for Ficsmas, apparently I haven't played since July

[compact flicker]

I just turn the wastewater into wet concrete or smthn

[dense violet]

more work and effort

[ivory condor]

I sure hope the VIPs i already made dont break somehow

[bitter shuttle]

what's a vip?

very important pioneer

[ivory condor]

But i guess reworking it might happen at some point, just have been using VIPs for such a long time

[ivory condor]

Variable Input Priority

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/ookl0c/psa_variable_input_priority_vip_for_pipes_exist/

[chilly tide]

guys its started
stage 1 of nuclear is done
900,000MW

[dense violet]

a pipe junction that works off black magic and will sometimes just not work for no discernable reason

[bitter shuttle]

thats what you get for interfering in ada's domain

[craggy vector]

How does pipe network draining work? Does the liquid vanish or does it go back into the machine that produces it and slowly seep back into what it drained from?

[ivory condor]

It gets sent into another dimension

[bitter shuttle]

the pioneer just chugs it

[ivory condor]

Aka who the hell knows, the liquid and or gas just vanishes, gone from this reality

[bitter shuttle]

you just open the pipe and let it pour onto the ground probably

[craggy vector]

😁

And yooo I finally unlocked petrol power

[ivory condor]

Chugs rocket fuel

[bitter shuttle]

i think thats called monster

[feral jay]

Goes to the same place lost socks go

[bitter shuttle]

mah belly

[craggy vector]

And pencils

[last wasp]

pipe junctions, the 4 way ones, can screw up the flow?

[ivory condor]

So thats what happened, i was wondering why i always seem to have less socks

Or ada keeps stealing my socks to power her evil plans

[dense violet]

depends how you design your pipes

[ivory condor]

The real problem with junctions and why its black magic, each side basically has its own behavior, making junctions hard to predict

[whole drum]

wat?

[ivory condor]

Worse still the game tells you nothing about this and this was found out via testing

[feral jay]

Speaking of which, have fluid dynamics changed in the last six months? I have a vague memory of reading something to that effect...

[ivory condor]

Why you think junctions are called black magic

[whole drum]

I don't call them that. I don't have problems with them.

[ivory condor]

Its hard to predict how the magic will work

[whole drum]

No it isn't. It's math.

[ivory condor]

But it was found out through testing each side basically has its own rule for how it works

[white dawn]

Nope. There's the possibility that they'll be tweaking the fluid system in v1.2, but the jury is still out as to whether that'll happen or not

[ivory condor]

Part of the reason vips even work at all

[bitter lodge]

if my factory needs 1k water. I am gonna shove 2k water into it.

[feral jay]

yeah okay that's what I read then

[bitter lodge]

I always have my 600 pipes maxed out, and ensure the pipes don't consume more than 590 :)

[whole drum]

What testing are you referring to?

[bitter lodge]

cause water is weird

[white dawn]

(And the only reason we think it might be possible for v1.2 is one video thumbnail which said "We fixed fluids!... kinda," but the video itself only teased the forthcoming Fluid Trucks. So time will tell what the troll actually was.)

[last wasp]

the thing is happen is some refinery from one side of the junction runs in a loop, the oones from the other side are lacking oil, the pipes from the side working are full, the ones from the other side are empty

[ivory condor]

Sorry but junctions dont care about your math either im afraid

Because its black magic and goes beyond concepts such as math

[dense violet]

do not do this 😛

[whole drum]

None of that checks out. My junctions work just fine.

[dense violet]

you're more likely to hav eflow issues at higher flows

[bitter lodge]

don't tell me that is bad...

[dense violet]

it'll often not cause problems - but you definitely don't need to do this

[chilly tide]

yea pipes suck

[last wasp]

I think I have too many refineries for too little oil

[bitter lodge]

My mega iron/steel factory I have like 150 refineries.

[dense violet]

oof
death to pure recipes

[bitter lodge]

I made it so that every pipe is at 600, and that the machines they are hooked up. Cant consume more than 550 water/min

[whole drum]

Just add water™

[bitter lodge]

Excuse you :<. Pure recipes are the best.

[chilly tide]

thats not bad

[bitter lodge]

Honestly, it was.

but my next factory that is named "Fuck me factory :)" needs 195 x-x.

[dense violet]

eh, look. If you enjoy them and are willing to pay the cost... pick the recipes you want

but fuck refineries and all the recipes that use them

Alloy recipes forever!

[bitter lodge]

They take up sooooo muuuchhhh space

[bitter lodge]

LMAO. Do you just have beef with refineries?

[chilly tide]

look at #screenshots

[dense violet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1293056268017078312/big_r_2.jpg?ex=693ae6be&is=6939953e&hm=a2d2f561d6aa2fa0d918e3c128e91986748b2501bc74643846c4a4ca38ac3337&=&format=webp

yes

[bitter lodge]

That is about to be me

[chilly tide]

have fun i guess

[bitter lodge]

200 refineries all using the same recipe ain't bad.

[chilly tide]

oh you want to see the oil setup?

[bitter lodge]

when you gotta mix and match inputs. its a pain ._. my logistic floor...I don't even wanna try to squirm through it

[whole drum]

Yeah, I'm the opposite. I'll take pures over alloys all the time.

[bitter lodge]

actually yes....cause I am about to do rocket fuel.

[whole drum]

Because water is free

[bitter lodge]

FUCKING WHAT

[chilly tide]

oh its just plastic/rubber

[dense violet]

why have 200 refineries when you can do like... 60 foundries?

[whole drum]

Because water is free 😄

[bitter lodge]

Pretty sure pure gives you more?

[chilly tide]

cuz I needed 12000 copper ingots?

[dense violet]

alloys 😛

pure gives you more but Iron is basically free

[chilly tide]

the pure is still better

[dense violet]

'better' for specific definitions

[unkempt blade]

water has a power cost which has a resource cost

[chilly tide]

the copper isint free buddy

[dense violet]

and?

[glad quest]

u still need 120 foundrys presuming u use the iron and copper

[unkempt blade]

why stop at 120? do like 4000

[dense violet]

better than 360 refineries for the same

I'd sell your kidneys to avoid that

it takes 3 refs to output teh same number of ingots as 1 foundry for copper ingots

[glad quest]

true

[whole drum]

But not a relevant cost

[wicked nacelle]

blueprints exist because of this.

You can one click down four refineries at a time

[bitter lodge]

4!?

I can only fit 3?

[wicked nacelle]

With all the belts and pipes autoconnectinf

Maybe that takes 6x6 but still. The only difference is number of power connections you have to make because auto connect takes care of the rest

[round crown]

Anyway heres my math.

Each gen burns 7.5
Each blender makes 45 a min.
1 blender = 6 gens
402/6 is 67 blenders
7.5ms*402 is 3,015ms tol

15ms*67 blenders = 1005ms of fuel for all blenders to be running at full efficiency

30ms*67 is 2010ms of heavy res

22.5 *67 is 1507.5 sulfer and coke a min I THINK that number seems really high tho.

If i use crude oil i need.....
1005/40=25.125*60 crude oil 1507.5ms for the fuel(repeat process for everything else.)
1507.5 for the heavy res
And an additional 378 for the coke

With diluted fuel
16 extracters for water
1,206ms for the total oil for the heavy res(i can't do the math with overlooking because im not home so im overproducing here

Total resources
Crude oil=3,378(2713.5 with diluted instead)
2010ms of heavy res
1005ms fuel
3015ms of turbofuel
1507.5 of coke and sulfer
With a total of 402 gens and 67 blenders
50refiners

If anyone is bored and wants to double check my math that ve GREAT!!! Just note im trying to make 402 fuel gens with turbo fuel

Side note I wish I could just make a thread for all my projects. Would make it easier for help

[bitter lodge]

that is a lot of reading

[wicked nacelle]

Why not rocket fuel?

[round crown]

They said they wanted to see my math. I sent my math. And added the calcs to avoid confusion

[bitter lodge]

you gotta unlock that via nitrogen

[round crown]

I uh don't have thag unlocked

[bitter lodge]

so you gotta progress until you can get access to that.

[round crown]

That also seems like a bigger headache

[bitter lodge]

its not really.

its a bit more work, but the payout is worth

[wicked nacelle]

I recommend waiting on your massive fuel setup until you have it. Just make what you need to get to unlocking before.

If you leave space you can go from burning turbo fuel to using the same generators for rocket fuel too. But you don’t need nearly as much turbo fuel to get there

[round crown]

Sure but if this setup works at that point why redo everything? Rocket fuel also has a werid number

!wikisearch rocket fuel

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=rocket+fuel

[wicked nacelle]

I don’t know what you mean by “weird number”

[round crown]

It takes 4.1666 a min for each gen. Thata such an odd number to work withq

7.5 is just cleaner

[wicked nacelle]

Then make it be a different number

[reef basin]

all numbers are equally fine to work with tbh

[round crown]

I feel like working is decimals is much much more complicated and leaves more room for mistakes

[reef basin]

not really, it's the same math

[how much you need in total]/[how much one machine makes] = [number of machines needed to be built]

if the result is decimal, just underclock the last machine to the decimal

[dense violet]

change the unit of time you're working with and decimals go away, the decimals are all in your mind

[round crown]

What

[whole drum]

Good point. I'll work with cosmic eras from now on.

[reef basin]

the 4.16666/min can also be viewed as 25 per 6 minutes. No decimals there 😉

[dense violet]

if you change the unit of time you're producing or consuming things in , decimals go away

making 1.33333333 pm?

well you're making 4 per 3min

[wicked nacelle]

You’re making 4 per 3 machines is a better way to describe it

[dense violet]

I'm sure you can find lower common denominators as long as you're working with real/rational numbers

[ivory condor]

Im working on a factory that is called "Fuck My Framerate"

[whole drum]

You also just downclock the decimals away

[ivory condor]

Because building a megafactory wont have any performance consequences im sure

[whole drum]

My forest save's starting base is a not-very-mega factory, but there's a lot there

[unkempt blade]

repeating decimals only or you hate factory games!

[round crown]

How the hell did you do that? Where are you getting 4 from

[reef basin]

multiply by 3

[bitter lodge]

what does it produce?

[ivory condor]

Everything, its a mega factory

[whole drum]

The .1666 is roughly equal to 1/6, so just multiply the production quantity and units of time by 6 each.

[round crown]

Where do you get the 3 from? Is there a specific reason he chose 3

[bitter lodge]

Ya that framerate is fucked.

[unkempt blade]

yeah but could it be even more mega?

[round crown]

Is this my sign to not have all my buildings in one area

[whole drum]

You get 8 / 6m, so you can divide both by 2, for 4/3m

[reef basin]

so that you don't get decimals 🙂

[unkempt blade]

that's quitter talk, just empty your bank account and get the best video card you can afford

[ivory condor]

I never said i expect to finish it, im trying in this one save but fully expect to give up

[round crown]

Gotttt it

[round crown]

I just don't quite like .modular if every factory is a hypertube cannon away that's......annoying

[ivory condor]

Maybe, or try for lets make the game unplayable today

[unkempt blade]

how often are you actually revisiting ones you've already built?

[ivory condor]

Im mostly doing it to see how far i can get

[whole drum]

Just hover everywhere. You don't need trains, cannons, or cars. Just power lines.

[ivory condor]

So go until my framerate dies basically

[round crown]

If its modular I'd assume quite often since each factory is making specific stuff. The whole independency thing

[whole drum]

Frames are a resource and it sounds like you still have some to spend

[unkempt blade]

I don't subscribe to independency but I'm pretty sure it doesn't intend for you to collect all the stuff each factory produces in person

[whole drum]

You either DD it or transport it somewhere

[round crown]

But still. Everything's being made all over

I'd rather everything be made in one singular spot

With central storage in the middle

[dense violet]

what greeny said

1.33333333 per 1 min

x3 x3

=

4 per 3 min

[round crown]

But that seems very framers heavy

[round crown]

Gotcha

[whole drum]

So build more

[round crown]

In one spot?

[whole drum]

Haven't you heard "The factory must grow?" That means it naturally expands from one spot to a wider area.

[night summit]

Where is the best place to build my main factory

[whole drum]

Wherever you think is prettiest

[round crown]

So IMA HAVE it expand ober the entire dessert

[unkempt blade]

Wherever makes you happiest. You're going to outgrow a single spot pretty quickly anyway

[dense violet]

like almost everythign in the game, there's no singular 'best' at anything unless you're extremely specific about the requirements

[round crown]

If everything's in one spot whats to outgrow

[unkempt blade]

you'll be pulling resources from other places at minimum or you're bottlenecking your own factory

[round crown]

Im pulling raw resources

Not made ones

[primal obsidian]

yeah raw resources from other places

[whole drum]

Honestly, mega bases are trap

[bitter lodge]

For making rocket fuel. Lets say for personal use and maybe drones. How much per min should I aim for roughyly?

[round crown]

Go on

[night summit]

How do i build to the world grid? So everything will be lined up and connect straight

[unkempt blade]

I'm assuming it's mostly new players who haven't seen the actual scale of later game yet

[bitter lodge]

hold CTRL

[primal obsidian]

they look really cool but are really inefficent and you have to think of the kittens and puppies on earth and also that sounds really hard to do imagine the train lines you need

[bitter lodge]

and use at least 2m foundations

[round crown]

I mean if with the scale it shoulddd be fine. I've seen some HUGE bases

[whole drum]

And haven't seen how far they'll have to logisticalize resources from

[round crown]

Thats what drones are for

[primal obsidian]

i mean nuclear was super hard for me and i had to transport only 5 ro 6 resources but i kept running into problems

[unkempt blade]

the throughput of drones really isn't that great for most stuff especially for longer routes

[round crown]

So then trains

[whole drum]

I don't think you can power enough drones to move the entire map's solid resources efficiently

To say nothing of the liquid/gas ones

Also, holy performance hit, Batman!

You easily slam into the object limit way before you get that far

[round crown]

@whole drum @unkempt blade #screenshots message

This is what I mean when j say mega

[whole drum]

Then add on the bugs related to vehicles and fluids with regard to saving/loading the game... hahaha

[round crown]

As I said,the screenshot is what I mean by everything

Its not exactly a single building

But its all in one spot

[whole drum]

Most megas aren't single buildings

[bitter lodge]

5k hours later....

[unkempt blade]

single building isn't going to be the issue it's the numbers of walls, foundations, machines, etc. all in a small area

[bitter lodge]

Have you seen kizbitz mega factory?

[round crown]

Yes

[unkempt blade]

I did one like this in a previous save and I can tell you my frames took a hit even with a good vid card #screenshots message . I also had distributed factories feeding it still

[dense violet]

yeah, not impressed. Bad piping and boring overall design.
He's an entertainer

[bitter lodge]

[round crown]

Is one biome a small area

[bitter lodge]

I think that massive factory is wildly awesome

[round crown]

It is

[bitter lodge]

Like how vertical it goes and just everything being there

[unkempt blade]

you seem determined to do it so I'd just go do it 😆

[round crown]

Thats what I mean by mega tho

[dense violet]

it's fine? but ... that's just a big factory. Anyone could do that

slightly less boxy than a full box

[round crown]

I mean if its THAT inefficient I guess I'd change. But I liked the idea of everything in ine general area. Everyone seems against it tho...so maybe my mega factory dreams should just be dreams

[whole drum]

NIlaus did a bus system that actually made sense, but I wouldn't recommend it

That's how mega factories are

[round crown]

I guess my next question would be hkw j distribute resources in a modular factory

[whole drum]

When I first started playing this game I was going to do a bus system, but quickly got tired of stacking conveyor stands and connecting them all

[bitter lodge]

your world. your chaos.

do whatever the fuck you please.

[whole drum]

The modular/independency idea is that you build what you need in a spot when you need it, then ship it where it needs to go if it's part of a larger build.

[whole drum]

You don't have to change. We're just telling you that it comes with some serious caveats.

System performance is probably the biggest/worst one, because if your rig can't handle it, you won't get to finish it.

[placid comet]

Just unlocked turbo fuel. Is it even worth using for generators? I see it yields the same power but burns much slower. If I'm understanding this, this allows for fewer refineries overall

[fallen pivot]

Yes.

[jovial lava]

Is there and official website for mods?

[dense violet]

if you want?
turbo fuel basically just converts coal and sulfur to more oil, as you can always just make more diluted fuel. And with diluted fuel you don't need to import coal and sulfur

[primal obsidian]

oh sry thoughy you meant modding software

[raven axle]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @dense violet

[dense violet]

highly recommend you go through at least one vanilla playthrough before moding though

[fallen pivot]

Or better yet, use them both.

That's what I did.

[dense violet]

better is subjective

[bitter lodge]

[fallen pivot]

That too. If one needs more power, there is always turbofuel.

[primal obsidian]

or hear me out do a biomass only run

[bitter lodge]

you ever just like...attempt to scale a factory up a little and realize you fucked up because you accidentally planned to scale it 2x....

[fallen pivot]

Or if one wants to use more nuclear then skip turbofuel and uses sulfur for nuclear.

[fallen pivot]

My factory has been suffering from scope creep from day one, so yes.

[primal obsidian]

with one normal fully clocked sulfur and uranium node i made 120 GW

[placid comet]

Oh wow yes it is worth it. I just noticed at full power generators only need 18.75 turbo fuel as opposed to 50 regular fuel. At full output, a refinery can yield 46.875 turbo fuel and I only have 1 other fuel refinery for that one. I can cut back so much

[dense violet]

as mentioned - you can do that just by doing more fuel w/o dragging a ton of other resources around the map.

[placid comet]

In fact hell, I can expand because of this

[dense violet]

but up to you if you like transporting thigns

[fallen pivot]

The thing I like about turbofuel is the ratio is quite nice.

600 oil to 1200 fuel (Diluted)
1200 coal + 1200 sulfur = 1200 compacted coal

1200 fuel + 1200 compacted coal = 1500 turbofuel

[bitter lodge]

I went from needing 2k baux to fucking 4k

like brrruhhhh.

[primal obsidian]

why upgrade when you can make a whole new one

[placid comet]

No need. I followed the advice from yesterday and brought coal and sulfur belts to my oil site. Now I can turn it into my dedicated ammo factory with turbo fuel as a bonus

[bitter lodge]

because I never even made the first one

I am still planning it out.

[dense violet]

stick to a number, and plan it out ....

[primal obsidian]

ohhhhhh

[dense violet]

why are you hurting yourself like this 😛

[bitter lodge]

because I wanted to do rocket fuel factory.

[fallen pivot]

One can try planning it backwards. Start from the product.

[bitter lodge]

so I need baux...I didn't know how much packaged rocket fuel to make /min, so I am doing 1k....

which gave weird numbers for refineries, so i kept adding 100 until it came out until 20 for both sides

[primal obsidian]

weird numbers arent a problem though? you can work with any number

[bitter lodge]

ya but 15.556x refinery, then 15.556 refinery again is weird, and I rather do 20 on both sides.

[round crown]

Did you check my math

[fallen pivot]

Which one? I think the chat got buried.

[primal obsidian]

ok you do you'

[round crown]

I think i'll take the experts advice,but then what do I make in one area? Like do do I make all my ores in one and and product in another

[primal obsidian]

#satisfactory message

i think its that one

[round crown]

@fallen pivot

[round crown]

Thanks gng!!!

[whole drum]

You ask "What do I need?" When you know the answer to that, you ask "Where can I build it that has the resources for it?"

[round crown]

1. Everything

2.everywhere

[whole drum]

Yes

[round crown]

Which leaves me at nowhere

[whole drum]

No, that is mathematically incorrect. 2 positives do not make a negative.

[bitter lodge]

"how far am I willing to transport resources"

[dense violet]

positive i x positive i = -1 😛

[bitter lodge]

positive x positive is always positive....

[whole drum]

Call "i" positive is pretty misleading

[dense violet]

pls feel free to write it as a negative number

[fallen pivot]

I think it is a wonderful math. 😀

[primal obsidian]

like for example in my fuel rod factory i made the control rods near caterium iron and copper and transported it to my main factory for fuel rods

[dense violet]

I'll wait and congratulate you on your nobel prize

[fallen pivot]

Anyway, I think it is correct. I dont really familiar with the recipes so I will take your word for it.

[round crown]

Im still left with what the hell do i make per factory

[round crown]

Taking my word for it like Im confident im right

[fallen pivot]

I believe you are.

[primal obsidian]

whats your goal what are you trying to make?

[round crown]

Everything.....alot of everything. Thats kinda why it was gonna be a mega

[whole drum]

Let's say you want to make aluminum ingots.
You know you need bauxite and water, so where can I find those? Are we using silica or sloppy recipe? We're going to need copper for sheets, so is there a spot with all 3 resources around, or do I need to ship some copper in?

[bitter lodge]

you forgot coal

[primal obsidian]

well then start with the stuff you need right now for a milestone or a space part

[fallen pivot]

Make a train network. ☝️🤓

I just like trains so I am biased.

[round crown]

But would that factory only be for aluminum or what other resources. Having a factory fr each subset of resources compared to having one big factory making all your resources is just alot

[round crown]

But thats short term

[whole drum]

And once you have your aluminum casings/sheets produced at this factory, you can DD them and sink the rest until you need them for another part--like heat sinks, so you can ship them to where you build those.

[bitter lodge]

you can group certain recipes

#screenshots

[whole drum]

Some things you build only to DD them, like ammo and nobs.

[bitter lodge]

That is just one factory producing all of that for me

all of it, is going into DD

[fallen pivot]

Something like plastic and rubber.

Or just iron products.

[whole drum]

Basically, if you want to get a little abstract about it, you are still making a mega factory--it's just spread out across the entire map into much more manageable chunks.

[bitter lodge]

I do a lot of independent factories personally, so I never ship resources between factories

[round crown]

I guess thats one way to look at it. Except its not all connected

[whole drum]

I do too until mid game, when the products are needed for higher tier stuff and don't have a lot of other uses

[fallen pivot]

How one make that.

[whole drum]

The important parts are

[round crown]

Wdym

[bitter lodge]

make what?

[primal obsidian]

independencyt is where you make everything you need for something like instead of shipping in computers for you supercomputer factory you automate them again

but just for supercomputers

[round crown]

@whole drum also how do you go about making complex parts? Do you make all the resources needed in one area,or do ylu train the frames and stuff and only have a factory with the manufacturers

[fallen pivot]

Independent factories.

[bitter lodge]

sneed just explained it?

[fallen pivot]

So it has a name and I already uses that concept.

[round crown]

You don't make computers and super computers in the same place

[primal obsidian]

i mean like computers for making supercomputers

yknow in a manufacturer it needs computers to make supercomputers

[bitter lodge]

instead of making frames for heavy modular frames, I make extra frames to make heavy modular frames

[zealous urchin]

[primal obsidian]

so you have 1 factory making computers for personal use (like buildings) and then you make another just for supercomputers

[bitter lodge]

because why transport frames across the map when I can just make more on the same factory

[primal obsidian]

get it?

[fallen pivot]

Because I like my choo choo. 🚋🚋🚋

[bitter lodge]

?wikisearch independent

[bitter lodge]

your world, your chaos.

[eager palm]

At some point, it ends up being a question of transporting resources vs transporting parts.

[primal obsidian]

yay train

[fallen pivot]

I do a bit of both. I made a rail network and I will use it.

[primal obsidian]

speaking fo train why train no bring resources

[whole drum]

When you get to complex parts, you want a few in DD if they have any use for your build gun, but mostly I would ship them to the next step in production.

[primal obsidian]

nvmn it was leaving

[zealous urchin]

controversial idea
belts are better than trains
9 belts mk.6 in 4m x 8m space should scale better for volume and speed than 3 cargo train no?

[fallen pivot]

Nah.

[primal obsidian]

belts are ugly though going across so much terrain

[zealous urchin]

not wrong

[fallen pivot]

Throughput wise, belts are always better.

[primal obsidian]

technically belts are the most efficient but also would you rahter have a railway going through your biomes ot a bunch of belts, IMO its the 2nd one

[bitter lodge]

trains can transport at the same rate as belts...

[primal obsidian]

trains are cooler

[fallen pivot]

There is a limit though. Based on stack size, round trip time and that 27 sec freeze per station.

[zealous urchin]

yea, that just makes sense

[fallen pivot]

But the most beneficial trait of trains is that it benefits from network effect.

[bitter lodge]

Hmmmm you would think so.

[zealous urchin]

whats the network effect

[fallen pivot]

More stations or more rails means your whole network is more useful.

[zealous urchin]

mhmm

[primal obsidian]

i mean my trains dont benefit from being in a network at all since they all get stuck waiting for eachother to move

[bitter lodge]

But if I have 600 resource going into a cargo train pick up, and that train depots at one location. I will get 600 of that resource constantly.

[dense violet]

you can't rund dozens of trains on the same belts

[latent ledge]

Imagine if they made a satisfactory movie...

[primal obsidian]

but thats just my bad signaling

[dense violet]

that's the train super power, reusing the same infrastructure for massive throughput

[fallen pivot]

Train throughput (real) can drop based on distance too.

But one can always add more freight cars.

[bitter lodge]

thats why we got buffers :)

[whole drum]

You just add cars

[primal obsidian]

oh yeah cause if you use belt highway you have to run a seperate line everytime but trains you just have to connect it to anywhere on the network

[whole drum]

Over long distances, trains are easier to use higher throughputs

[feral jay]

I just like playing with trains

[fallen pivot]

Also building rails, elevated or otherwise, that follows the terrain is nice.

[primal obsidian]

if theres not enough throughput add another platform and freight car

[zealous urchin]

so whats the ideal ratio for trians regarding engine and cargo

[primal obsidian]

that much

[dense violet]

well if you're going up 2m ramps you need 1 engine per 4 cars - bout it really

if you're going purely flat? 1 engine to infinite cars works

[zealous urchin]

wont that be infinite to speed up tho

[fallen pivot]

Nah.

A bit slower, yes.

[spark light]

Any tips for setup my oil power

[grim carbon]

what's the limit of portable miners you can have in your hand at one time?

[zealous urchin]

is it the same speed on 2m ramp just as 1 engine 3 cargo?

[primal obsidian]

diluted poackaged fuel and HOR alts but other then that have fun

[fallen pivot]

Burn fuel on site and export the power instead of the fuel.

[spark light]

To be fair I’m new so I don’t know what a lot of that means

[primal obsidian]

alternate recipie

find them in crash sites

[fallen pivot]

Alternate recipes. Happy hunting.

[round crown]

Got it, I guess for performance sake I'll go modular

[primal obsidian]

HOR means heavy oil residue its an alt

[spark light]

Oh ok

[winged lagoon]

when it’s time to Kum go far

[fallen pivot]

Modular also plays nice with blueprints.

[round crown]

Wdym

[primal obsidian]

what

[winged lagoon]

https://youtu.be/IUHaFeRYYtc?si=CG4xcD2kBdI3ek1G

[primal obsidian]

i feel like i shouldnt click that link based on your last message

[fallen pivot]

I build my factories based on 5x5 foundation.

Inside that 5x5 I cram a certain number of machines.

That is my blueprint.

For example, a 5x5 can handle 10 (or 20) constructors. So if a step requires 80 of them I just build 4 times.

[primal obsidian]

just unlocked 6x6 BP

[leaden turret]

<@&387163995947270144> off-topic links posted without prompting, possibly inappropriate, possibly self-promo

[whole drum]

Doing an array of 4 smelters (or 8 if 2 floors) works nicer, in my experience, until you have mk2 miners

[winged lagoon]

nu uh

[spark light]

Yes it is

[winged lagoon]

no

narc

[spark light]

It’s your YouTube channel by the looks of it

[winged lagoon]

no it’s not

it’s uh

just funny

[chilly tide]

so I have been working on nuclear for the past while and just started doing ficsmas and have 8k presents from just grabing them while working

[leaden turret]

so off-topic and possibly inappropriate then

[winged lagoon]

no

[spark light]

Exactly

[winged lagoon]

off-topic and inappropriate

not possibly

but not toooooo inappropriate yk?

like

funny

[leaden turret]

<@&387163995947270144> idiot admits to breaking the #rules , ?

[winged lagoon]

yes

I no idiot if I do on purpose

ban me big daddy

[leaden turret]

idiot because do it on purpose ¬_¬

[winged lagoon]

fair

[whole drum]

Yeah, nobody here appreciates the disruption and stupidity

[zealous urchin]

arent u also breaking the rules by calling him offensively and stirring up drama?

[winged lagoon]

yeah, nobody likes you profile pic little guy

[winged lagoon]

thanks

[round crown]

Its coffee. Whats wrong with coffee

[leaden turret]

nu, that would be when I got given a warning for talking shit about [redacted] because of [redacted]

[winged lagoon]

ur bio is against the law

[stoic steeple]

What do the links have to do with Satisfactory?????????????? Nothing probably.

[winged lagoon]

yes

[feral jay]

Maybe, but I totally agree, [redacted] is a big [redacted] [redacted]

[winged lagoon]

correct

[round crown]

Side note im surprised there isn't literally an off topic channel

[winged lagoon]

yeah

[stoic steeple]

#off-topic-general

[primal obsidian]

idk man tea tastes pretty good?

[whole drum]

There are 3

[primal obsidian]

coffee is pretty good aswell

[round crown]

Where-oh

[winged lagoon]

coffee is off topic

[round crown]

Oh there was nvm

[whole drum]

This 🤡 could have chosen any of those, but wanted to be a 💩 instead

[winged lagoon]

correct

[round crown]

Incorrect!! I was talking about the pioneer drinking a cup of coffee

[winged lagoon]

Oh! I am deeply sorry daddy!

[leaden turret]

this is the part where the mods roll back the wall of text

[round crown]

That would be nice

[winged lagoon]

literally 1984

[round crown]

Lets not. Im uncomfortable with that

[whole drum]

The ideal duration (in decades) for your ban

[winged lagoon]

yeah I know sorry

[primal obsidian]

yea man i was talking about how cool it would be if the pioneer drank tea

[stoic steeple]

I come to this channel to see conversation about Satisfactory, not this bs garbage

[winged lagoon]

why am I not banned yet

[primal obsidian]

COFFEE stain studios should definetly add tea to the game

[winged lagoon]

what is happening here

[leaden turret]

given that most of them prefer tea, yes

[feral jay]

I just want my coffee black

None of this cream and sugar blasphemy

[whole drum]

Coffee is like Satisfactory; enjoy it however you like ❤️

[stoic steeple]

I have nothing against either coffee or tea btw

[winged lagoon]

what is happening right now

[stoic steeple]

You started it bro

[winged lagoon]

I know lmao

[feral jay]

I am informing people that they are evil for preferring cream in their coffee

[winged lagoon]

agreed

I like ts guy

he’s Canadian

[feral jay]

And all pioneer coffee has cream in it

[dense violet]

mostly acceleration thing

[winged lagoon]

no..

[feral jay]

Hence, the pioneer is blasphemous

[leaden turret]

I prefer my caffeinated beverage berry-flavoured, and effervescently diluted in water

[primal obsidian]

i like coffee with only sugar in it and a side of sugar with more sugar and some sugar to wash it down and also loads of caffeine

[stoic steeple]

I'm too hyper to drink any caffeine. I'll go crazy

[feral jay]

I prefer mine black, slightly burnt, and quite strong

[leaden turret]

mine doesn't require boiling a kettle

[winged lagoon]

I perfer my coffee like I like my men

big and black

[primal obsidian]

ok bud

[leaden turret]

@simple nymph manual mod ping because wtf

[primal obsidian]

no way im also from canada

[winged lagoon]

I think the mods are chill

I like ts mods

they are nice and respectful

a good breath of grass and fresh air

[feral jay]

All the best people are

[winged lagoon]

like me

[zealous urchin]

i assume u are a young kid who means no harm but what u type is weird and off putting

[whole drum]

And unwelcome

[winged lagoon]

oh not at all lol

[winged lagoon]

yes

[leaden turret]

-# this is why servers should be deactivated when mods are busy/asleep

[primal obsidian]

has someone pinged the mods yet

[whole drum]

Marv has twice

[winged lagoon]

yeah

mod test

[primal obsidian]

both mods are idle though

[winged lagoon]

Im testing them

[primal obsidian]

):

[winged lagoon]

they passed

[primal obsidian]

anyways how many metres is too many for a skyscraper

[winged lagoon]

a lot

[primal obsidian]

mine is 240M tall

[zealous urchin]

in satisfactory?

[primal obsidian]

yes

[leaden turret]

when the top gets derendered from the bottom

[zealous urchin]

1 kilometer bcs after that u take dmg

[brave thunder]

what do the presents do?

[zealous urchin]

or 500m

i dont remember

[primal obsidian]

dang it guess i gotta make it taller ill automate something else in teh same building as well

[feral jay]

Heh when I built a ladder to see how high I could go, it took long enough to win the Floor Is Lava trophy

[winged lagoon]

alr i like this guy

he’s in industrialist server

respect to him

[brave thunder]

industrialist is fire

[winged lagoon]

yo fr

[brave thunder]

so uh

what they do:)

[winged lagoon]

they give you things for the MAM

you can use for research

[gloomy dagger]

Why imaginary? Factory no exist?

[winged lagoon]

but you also need the advent calendar for it

[brave thunder]

so i see

i just started a new world cuz i havent played in a bit ( i never got past fuel power) but yk how it is

[last tartan]

how many train cars can i daisy chain to one engine before it stops working 🤔

[primal obsidian]

infinite if its flatno incline

[winged lagoon]

yeah understandable

[gloomy dagger]

Dang im behind by a lot of this chat ….

[last tartan]

this is giving me ideas for having like 2000 train cars across the desert

anything but doing phase 3 🤷

[zealous urchin]

u should get hoverpack tho

[dense violet]

it's all in your mind 😛

[last tartan]

i need some really good reason to make a rail running across the map

is there like a really good deposit of minerals in the desert?

[compact flicker]

Copper central

[last tartan]

im gonna have to finds this

[compact flicker]

There's also some uranium up there I believe

[zealous urchin]

become unreasonable

[compact flicker]

The reason is trains are cool

[solemn pulsar]

i wish you dident have to connect lights to power its a pain to hook everysingle one up without ruining how it looks

[compact flicker]

Does having multiple engines make trains go faster?

[compact flicker]

Lights have 2 connection points, so you can wire them to eachother

[zealous urchin]

they should accelerate faster

[compact flicker]

Should as in it should be added, or should as in is a feature?

[hard stump]

Oh joy another post hijack now I can’t even fing post just a single fing post I’d like to post in this server without it being jacked so fing immature

[compact flicker]

what

[last tartan]

how do you guys suggest i route water to my coal generators?

should i do one water pump to each coal gen

[compact flicker]

Pipes

[silk ocean]

Not so much faster, they have a "top" speed of 120, but will go faster downhill. It's more like pulling power

[dense violet]

!wikisearch CG

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[last tartan]

danka

[feral jay]

Beat me to it

[dense violet]

toooo slow

[compact flicker]

Jokes aside, you only need pumps on elevation increases.

[feral jay]

But now I know the super secret shortcut

[dense violet]

can't beat my touchtyping!

[limpid inlet]

does this even loop to itself

[round crown]

When I get home its time to start this gianttttttt power plant

@dense violet do you have a blueprint for the aluminum or something I can use as a guid for it

Or do i gotta wing it

[dense violet]

wdym?

[limpid inlet]

Like does the water flow loop back into itself

[dense violet]

you can make your own blueprint pretty easily?
when going up the tiers I just make standard blueprints for eveyr machine type I can modify as needed

so like a group of 3 refineries with all the connections already done, delete what I don't want after

[silk ocean]

Also, if you have more than about 4-5 heavy cars, 2 locos are recommended, especially if you are doing long climbs, e.g. all the way up to the red forest. If the train stops on the incline, more locos really help to get it moving again. If you had 1 loco with 6 or 7 cars it probably wouldn't even be able to get moving again

[feral jay]

God dammit

Exploding Ficsmas gifts

I forgot about those

LOL and they point you right at the "Days Without Incident" sign when you respawn, just to rub it in

[round crown]

Show me an example. I don't use blueprints very much

[hard stump]

Love it 7th post hijack and now I’m the one not allowed to post lol ok

[dense violet]

pinged in other channel

[compact flicker]

My original thinking was I could build a passenger train that circles the map and is just 8 engines and no freight cars lol

[silk ocean]

lol well you can certainly do that if you wanted to xD

[compact flicker]

Wonder how fast it'd go

:p

[silk ocean]

Max speed is 120 regardless of the number of locos but if you want to get real speed you can do long downhill sections, e.g from the red forest. Some of my trains reach 210 on the long downhill run

[compact flicker]

I wonder...

Full loop of engines, they max out the 120 at all times, and have a section always going downhill.

Wonder how the game would handle that

[silk ocean]

They max out at 120 under normal load but will go faster downwards. You could try a railway from way high in the sky and see xD

[compact flicker]

I just might lol

[feral jay]

Don't they start auto-braking at 200km/h?

[compact flicker]

laaaaaaaame

[silk ocean]

If they do it's light braking because some of mine still go faster than 200

And if you're in manual control, I don't believe there is any auto braking

[grim carbon]

i need help with automating loading and unloading of tractors

[feral jay]

ooohh it could be they only autobrake on autopilot

[dense violet]

have them wait in front of hte station in the recording - that will let stacks transfer

[compact flicker]

Can you have an autopilot loop with no selected stations?

[silk ocean]

You'll need at least one

[grim carbon]

will it fill the tractor before it goes to the next station to unload?

[dense violet]

2 stacks per second transfer

so however long you wait

[silk ocean]

Probably two stations either side of the loop, they won't move without at least a destination station

[grim carbon]

does the wiki describe the detail i need?

[silk ocean]

What's the issue Crafty?

[grim carbon]

for instance, can i have more than one tractor on the same route?

[silk ocean]

Yep

[grim carbon]

i don't know how to automate tractors yet

i have 2 stations, one by a pure coal node and the other where i need to unload the coal once it gets there

[dense violet]

record the path - have it wait at the stations. Done

[dense violet]

is this for power or steel?

[silk ocean]

So you build the two depots, and then you drop down a tractor and hop into it, pick a suitable starting point on the route and then start recording, carefully drive the route, so go to the first depot, don't get too close to it, simulate stopping adjacent to it for a few seconds, then drive to the other depot, same applies, then return to the starting point and the route should complete and you can save it, and then apply that route to any other vehicles

[grim carbon]

steel

[dense violet]

imo find a spot with both iron and coal next to each other. Every start zone has those areas. But moving stuff is an option.

But vehicles aren't the friendliest to new players

[silk ocean]

If you have multiple vehicles on a route just be careful not to cross over the return path for obvious reasons xD

[grim carbon]

am i right that tractors are not the best for different terrain?

yes

that makes total sense

i think for now i'll stick to just having one tractor on one route

[silk ocean]

They are "okay" off-road, just don't drive too fast, and don't go over anything wild, keep a wide berth from large objects, rocks, etc, and they generally work ok

[dense violet]

so with trucks and tractors you really want to plan your factories to use terrain that is helpful for them

the main problem wit hmost people is that they do the factories with no thought on how trucks will work after and run into problems because of that

so location location location

[grim carbon]

i'm trying to work out a good route

[dense violet]

yup maybe just put poles or beams standing along the way as markers and see if you can have 2 way path?

Not all routes are easy with trucks though.

[silk ocean]

You can always drive the route a few times to get used to it before recording

[grim carbon]

that's exactly what i'm working on right now

i'm using foundations to make temporary bridges over deeper water

[silk ocean]

Also useful in case you want to clear things, trees, etc

[grim carbon]

yes

i'm got a chainsaw and i'm not afraid to use it

so, watch out trees

[silk ocean]

When on auto they don't seem to precisely follow the route, they drift a little left/right of the track, just to bear in mind when clearing obstacles

[grim carbon]

that makes sense too

[silk ocean]

They will reset after a short time if they get stuck so it's not a total disaster

[feral jay]

I have a chainsaw and a Gardener's Toolkit mod, and I'm not afraid to use it

[grim carbon]

for them or for you?

[feral jay]

Massive destruction possible with that mod

[grim carbon]

i don't want to use mods in this game

[feral jay]

That one I originally installed so I could cut down single trees at a time

[silk ocean]

It's quite easy to get them airborne when driving the route off-road, hence the going slower over undulating terrain is a good thing. The gravity on this world is almost closer to the moon than earth it feels xD On auto if they get airborne it can result in "things", could end up spinning or rolling etc

[feral jay]

Gravity? In a world where foundations just hang in midair?

You lie, gravity is a myth, Massage just sucks

[silk ocean]

This world features selective gravity xD

[ocean frost]

Just make sure to blow up all the small rocks and branches first

[silk ocean]

Either that or every foundation has a FICSIT approved™ anti-gravity module inside it

[grim carbon]

you can do that with a simple keystroke to cut a lot of trees or just one

[feral jay]

They introduced that feature in 1.0

Before then it was always area mode

[grim carbon]

oh right

[charred thistle]

i got the tiny wee woo car night saved

[strong fiber]

Im building my first decorated factory i will tell yall how it goes

Imm gonna make it look nice

[last tartan]

guys

do NOT pick up the christmas themed giant nobelisks

[feral jay]

Why not? You get a free cookie ornament!

[ocean frost]

No more orange boxes, it's glass boxes from now on

[last tartan]

i got sent into the stratosphere

[silk ocean]

Presumably you can fool the game into FICSMAS any time of the year by changing the system clock before running the game xD

[feral jay]

Theoretically yes but you'll also need to disable time synch, and it'll break most https encryption

[silk ocean]

Yea for sure

[feral jay]

Much easier to just install a permanent ficsmas mod i would think

[silk ocean]

I wouldn't do it on this system but just theoretically

Probably

[feral jay]

And Ficsmas just isn't as fun when nobody else is playing it

[silk ocean]

Can't afford for time on this rig to be out, my 2FA will break everywhere

2FA codegen*

[ocean frost]

It's y2k all over again

[silk ocean]

Next one is 2038, unix time wrap, although almost all systems are 64-bit now, might affect some very legacy or embedded devices but hopefully by then not an issue xD

[last tartan]

holy crap

the calendar gave me rocket fuel and i put it in my jetpack

this is wild stuff

[feral jay]

And, it can be solved without any user interface changes, which was half the problem with the Y2K bug

[silk ocean]

Yah

[feral jay]

(I'm old enough that I wokred on fixing that damned bug)

[silk ocean]

Oh nice xD I'm certainly old enough but wasn't involved

[strong fiber]

I will send it in screenshots when its completed ok

[zealous urchin]

how about floating orange box

[last tartan]

you know what sounds really cool?

it would be unideal, but something like an elevator for the train

i've seen concepts of it in other games or even in real life scenarios

[feral jay]

Tubas. Tubas sound really cool, and are inherently funny also

[last tartan]

i do find the brass instrument quite comical

[feral jay]

But then my supercool rail spirals would be superfluous

[last tartan]

you should teach me the ways sensei

[feral jay]

Been a while actually

[zealous urchin]

isnt rail spiral like super time consuming

[feral jay]

Nah, once you have a method down you can stamp them out fairly quickly

They're not.. fast to build, by any means though

[zealous urchin]

i mean for train efficiency

not building it

[last tartan]

i have a cliff i need to get down

[feral jay]

They do limit how heavy the trains can be on the way up, and slow them down, yes

[bitter lodge]

press space :)

[last tartan]

drake pc gif

[feral jay]

But for scaling a cliff, I have yet to find a better way

[zealous urchin]

id make two seperate stations on top of the cliff and below and then transport items between them via belt

[bitter lodge]

2m ramp?

[feral jay]

eh, then you have to go waaaay one way and then waaay back the other way

A spiral keeps it neat

[zealous urchin]

its not ideal

but u circumvent the cliff

double push pull so to speak

[last tartan]

you.. you freak

[bitter lodge]

[last tartan]

you use 2 meter ramps and not 4 meter?

[bitter lodge]

I keep my train all at the same height level...

[last tartan]

oh

we're talking trains

[feral jay]

I tend to build with the terrain

[last tartan]

back in my prime when i wanted to get upsies id have my uhh 4 meter ramps

[feral jay]

There's limited places on the map where rail spirals make a lot of sense anyway

[zealous urchin]

isnt all of red forest on a hill in relation to its surroundings?

[dense violet]

Plateau but yes

[feral jay]

It's the highest part of the map on average, yes

[last tartan]

i just build my railroads on big concrete pillars

it looks bad but works

i dont quite know how to style them yet..

[zealous urchin]

search for whatever train system in the world and take inspiration from one or combine two

plenty of places where they build trains above ground

[charred thistle]

which name is funnier for a lizzard doggo Floob Jr. Jr. or Skrungle Destroyer of Worlds

[round crown]

idek how to get one

[stray onyx]

Is it crossplay

[bitter shuttle]

how about skrungle floob destroyer of worlds jr jr

[last tartan]

ive been spending the last three days coming from home just dillydallying with trains

i need to get a life and take a break from trains

[versed cosmos]

trains are better than drugs man idk what it is

[feral jay]

Neither. Name it "Towtruck".

[zealous urchin]

real functional funny

he will bring u uranium every sunday and them fused frames

[versed cosmos]

i wonder if you could beat the game with only lizard doggo loot

[silk ocean]

5 years later

[compact flicker]

Can they give iron ore?

[feral jay]

!wikisearch Lizard_Doggo

[versed cosmos]

no but they can give all iron based parts

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Lizard_Doggo

[feral jay]

The loot list is in there

And by god that image needs to be smaller

[zealous urchin]

ah yes let me pull out my flute to summon an army of lizard doggos

[silk ocean]

Megadoggo

[versed cosmos]

oh hey lizard doggos can give power slugs

so theyre renewable

oh my god they can give you a nuke nobelisk lol

[last tartan]

i remember when lizard doggo ate uranium and became big

on the first day of april

[ocean frost]

With halflife 3 inside

[quaint ibex]

guys i have a mk2 miner with pure coal ore node

[versed cosmos]

looks like the game can be beaten with only lizard doggo drops

[quaint ibex]

it mines 600 ores p min with max overclock

how do i carry it??? im only at phase 4

[zealous urchin]

THIS time for sure we will get Half Life 3 for SURE

[versed cosmos]

you dont overclock it that much

[quaint ibex]

i only have mk3 belts

[charred thistle]

his name is floob jr. jr. time to find floob jr. jr. jr.

[versed cosmos]

yeah you cant take that much out of the miner

[charred thistle]

army of floobs

[feral jay]

No no no, Floob Jr. Jr. the 2nd

[quaint ibex]

im always going to be bottlenecked by belts?

[versed cosmos]

not forever

[charred thistle]

i wanna keep adding Jr. after i think it's funny Floob Jr.^271

[versed cosmos]

and you can get plenty of production done with your current belts

[feral jay]

Well that is kinda one of the game's major challenges

[quaint ibex]

😭

[versed cosmos]

what do you even need 600 coal/min for lol

[quaint ibex]

more energy and steel?

right now i produce 1350 mw

and use 1200

[feral jay]

Oh my sweet summer child...

[quaint ibex]

🤔

[versed cosmos]

gotta get oil power

[quaint ibex]

should i stop using coal to make power and only make power from oil and focus all the coal on steel?

[versed cosmos]

if you need that much steel

i tend to keep my coal power around cause mine isnt near iron

and the nearest iron is being used anyway

[quaint ibex]

i make belts to carry everything to my base and then do what i want

[charred thistle]

im making this much on biofuel

[versed cosmos]

oh you're going to love trains lol

[quaint ibex]

🤔

can i pull as much as water i want from a single pond?

[placid comet]

Ok I stumbled upon a crash site at the edge of a red forest and found 2 stingers much bigger and stronger than I've seen. They were a tint of green and oh my lord the jump distance

[versed cosmos]

yeah water is infinite

you'll be limited by how many extractors you can fit in the water and your pipe flow limit

[silk ocean]

Yea they are the kinda radioactive ones

Nasty ones xD

[feral jay]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Stinger#/media/File:Elite_Stinger.png that one?

[charred thistle]

do trees grow back?

[feral jay]

no

You can respawn them with SCIM though if you really want to

[silk ocean]

Maybe for 1.2 - plantable vegetation

[ocean frost]

I just realised that I didn't even use that much steel anymore

[charred thistle]

i don't have scim guess we're deforesting the planet

[placid comet]

Yep... Those things actually made me panic for a moment. I would have died if not for 2 big hog getting involved

[feral jay]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/ Satisfactory Calculator and Interactive Map

sry

[quaint ibex]

how to deal with bigger rangd hogs? i always die to those :d

[feral jay]

Bigger bad guys usually need bigger guns

[quaint ibex]

🤔

[feral jay]

I use homing ammo most of the time for those guys

[quaint ibex]

when do you unlock that?

[ocean frost]

Might be a filthy console player

[feral jay]

Because guided bullets are awesome

[quaint ibex]

im at phase 4

[lethal bluff]

filthy? :((

lmao

[charred thistle]

dont need a map it's as easy as findd tree kill tree profit :3

[ocean frost]

It's better than being an EPIC sellout player xD

[polar walrus]

so wait is there not xbox to ps crossplay?

[feral jay]

I don't think there's crossplay at all, no

But don't quote me on that

iirc they described the technical challenges in a dev stream at some point

[teal geyser]

Should always keep 1 coal power plant around for backup

[high pendant]

Hi Sponge Bob

[high pendant]

There is no crossplay (unless it's between different generations of consoles)

[polar walrus]

its weird when i google it it says all i have to do is link my epic

[ocean frost]

Keep some bio mass for the coal backup too

[white dawn]

Xbox to Playstation crossplay (and vice-versa) is absolutely a thing, yeah, and it goes through Epic's online services

There were some issues with EOS for awhile which was causing problems, though I think those might be more or less resolved? I don't know the exact steps necessary to link up across platforms like that, though

[high pendant]

Ignore my previous message, I was wrong 😂

[ocean frost]

Don't we have a console FAQ somewhere

[white dawn]

The crossplay which doesn't exist (and likely won't anytime soon) is console <-> PC

[ocean frost]

I saw it the other day

[polar walrus]

So what do i do after linking my epic account? there is no way to invite through the game?

[white dawn]

There should be, but I'm afraid I have no clue personally; I have no consoles. I think someone had posted some steps in #satisfactory-consoles a little while ago, though I don't have a post to point you to.

(And not only do I not have consoles, I've also never done multiplayer on Satisfactory even on PC. :D)

[polar walrus]

its alr prolly just gonna refund this game it looks good but way to hard to setup crossplay honestly just annoying lol i been trying to figure it out for the last hour and a half

[white dawn]

Alas! Too bad you're having problems. Good luck, in case you continue to try for a bit longer. :)

[placid comet]

Yep. I keep my old coal plants as a jumpstart for when I was reworking my fuel plants. Otherwise I keep them off to redirect the coal elsewhere

[feral jay]

Geothermal is also great for that

[silk ocean]

It's a bit of a meme power xD

[feral jay]

I build these massive worldwide overengineered power grids, so I charge huge battery backup banks with the geothermal

[silk ocean]

Would take a long time xD

[feral jay]

eh, it's a zen sandbox building game

TIme isn't really a concern when I'm really just trying to chill out anyway

[silk ocean]

Yea true, there is no rush, still would take a long time

[hard stump]

No cross play they have said they don’t plan on adding it.
Maybe they MAY reconsider if the rumors of Xbox getting steam in 2027 are true but that’s a hard maybe I’d say.

[silk ocean]

I was referring more about the average player, geothermal isn't really worth it, it's spread all over the world, by the time you have connected up all of these wimpy generators you may as well have scaled up Fuel power

[feral jay]

Oh, true, I am a super superior player, so way better than "average" 😁

[silk ocean]

xD

[feral jay]

Bow to my ridiculously over-engineered power grids

Bask in their glories

[silk ocean]

I'd say mine is somewhat overengineered at the moment, 310 GW and only consuming about half that

[wispy spoke]

hi what do you need quartz for

[hard stump]

If on Xbox simple go to their profile invite to game.
They seem to of fixed it but you had to go to settings manage session and always switch it to only every time you loaded in. But lately it’s always online.
But if you’re not seeing an invite option that’s why you never changed that setting.
You can only do it once in game not in the main menu btw

[silk ocean]

Just hit N and type quartz, will give you a list

[feral jay]

I use boatloads of it for signs

[wispy spoke]

it shows ???

basically nothing

[polar walrus]

I’m on Xbox my friend is on PlayStation

[feral jay]

The solution is to have no friends

[silk ocean]

Well click on the intermediate product and there are quite a few uses

[polar walrus]

I couldn’t imagine playing this game alone

[zinc ferry]

I feel attacked from this comment 🤣

[final osprey]

I could when i play with someone i have a lot of mini freeze idk why

[hard stump]

1 make sure both are signed into epic
2 make sure once you get into the game you double check it’s set to online and MUST BE FRIENDS ONLY
3 share session ID with them

[silk ocean]

Quartz Crystal

[silk ocean]

I've only ever played this game alone xD

[polar walrus]

Where do they put the session id?

[hard stump]

When you go to manage session should be there on the screen.

[polar walrus]

Idk I’ll try it tommorow lol we got off after trying to figure it out for an hour and a half

Not a single tutorial or step by step online that we could find

[zinc ferry]

How am I just now noticing the Flux Capacitor on the Programmable Splitter? I know others have spotted it before, but I have been using these things for awhile and never noticed.

[feral jay]

Building out my initial ficsmas tree farm, I want millions upon millions of presents stockpiled

[ocean frost]

Blade runners

Also crystal ossolators later on

[feral jay]

And Radio Control Units

Shatter rebar

[ocean frost]

Amazing source of early points for the sink

[compact flicker]

Which part?

[feral jay]

Quartz

Turn it into quartz crystals and sink those

Mucho points

[ocean frost]

Quartz crystals

[feral jay]

Raw uranium ore is also great for that but it's a bit tough to set up early game

[zealous urchin]

sinking uranium and sam is passing vibe chceck

[remote pasture]

Now that i got my creative save, should i also try a non creative save?

[ocean frost]

Reanimated sam is work 4x the points I think

[ocean frost]

What do you want from your playthrough

[remote pasture]

I can show you in #screenshots

[ocean frost]

That looks sick go for it

[remote pasture]

And i feel creative would work best for that

[bitter shuttle]

#screenshots message factorio ahh train system, i've literally built those in my games

[ocean frost]

I think if you enjoy building like that I would say yes

There are some great mods that make it easier to build the curves as well

[gentle lion]

I conveyerd sulfur and trained in coal today ...making some compacted coal and black powder

Thinking about making a train to my oil area and go turbo

[placid comet]

Ok I'm confused. I found a SAM node at cords 2714, -2606 but I can't seem to find it. The closest I got was 35m from it but it seems to be through the cliff wall

[white dawn]

Probably in a cave; some cave systems can be rather large, so you may have to go a ways out to find the entrance

[feral jay]

You're in the rocky desert?

[white dawn]

Looks like those coords are in Dune Desert, actually

The entrance is around the rock formation you'd expect it to be in; it's not actually a big cave

[gentle lion]

I literally fell onto my Sam node lol

[white dawn]

But if I remember right, the entrance is pretty difficult to spot

[placid comet]

Yea

[white dawn]

Don't recall if you need explosives to get in there or not

[placid comet]

I think I found the entrance. If that's it, it's in a stupid spot ngl

[hard stump]

I’m so excited about these trains but also just nervous. I played on pc years ago loved it miss it. But idk about build limit on Xbox vs pc n just hard in a way. I mean by no means am I trying to build a super fancy rail system but not no floating tracks if possible.
Seen a few builds I liked but still to in depth for my liking

[gentle lion]

I was looking at the train stuff earlier you can have oy certain things loaded and unloaded at each station ?

[strong fiber]

I feel like sastisfactory is a old head game bruh

[silk ocean]

You could have a different material per station, i.e. a mixed train, but it's one type per-car

[gentle lion]

And do you need one freight station per freight car ?

[silk ocean]

(when I say station, as in freight block)

[white dawn]

You can configure trains to only load/unload certain materials at specific stops, if you like

[placid comet]

Yes. One freight station per freight car

[gentle lion]

can load 2 diff things into one car?

[silk ocean]

Kinda view each freight station as a storage container

You can mix but it's generally not a good idea, one good might clog up the other

[white dawn]

(Personally I don't like splitting up a freight car's cargo between more than one stop. I may do sushi deliveries (ie: more than one kind of material in a freight car), but I'll do a full load/unload at the stations, rather than picking and choosing

[white dawn]

Yes, called "sushi." You need to use smart splitters and make sure that the sorting is properly buffered if you're gonna use sushi deliveries for vehicle/train/drone deliveries

More complex than keeping to just one material per car, though doable, and not bad once you're used to it

[placid comet]

You can load a mix of things into a single car

Just make sure you can organize that stuff once unloaded

[gentle lion]

So could have 3 freight stations at point a then drop each one at say points b c and d

[white dawn]

Keep in mind that every stop a train makes is increasing its round-trip time, which can end up affecting throughput if you do too much of it

[remote pasture]

I cant do mods, iam on ps5

[white dawn]

If I had a material which I wanted to deliver to remote sites B, C, and D, I'd personally use three trains for it

[silk ocean]

Could organise a station for example:
<-iron_ore-><-crystal_osci-><-quartz_crystal-><-station_head->

[placid comet]

Yes. You can set up delivery chains. If you want to load stuff up and deliver it to point b and simultaneously load stuff there and unload it at point c, you can

[gentle lion]

Ok that's kinda what I was thinking

[strong fiber]

Why do i need 480 screws/min for 4 heavy modular frame/minfactory bruh

[gentle lion]

I just made a basic train loop today to figure it out. Wotking ok so far

[dense violet]

Because recipes that use screws use a lot

build some steel screws right in front of the machines

[strong fiber]

I have to independent train loops

[strong fiber]

bruh i already built regular screws and i ain’t rebuilding allat because i wanted it to look nice so it took me an hour to make

[gentle lion]

#screenshots message don't think I have enough lol

[strong fiber]

nasty factory

[gentle lion]

Yes it is

[dense violet]

if you already built it, why be shocked at this point?

also, highly recommend Steel Screw alt, 1 machine can pop out 480 pm easy

[exotic pilot]

guys why cant i make bundle of ornaments

[strong fiber]

I just realized that

[gentle lion]

It looked good until I realized how many machines it needed ...went south from there

[strong fiber]

2 machines and i would be done right now

[hard ivy]

With the right alts, you need 0

[strong fiber]

Ion got heavy modular frame factory alts rn

[hard ivy]

Then I suggest you get them before you build it

All default HMF sucks

[strong fiber]

im gonna use the solid steel ingot alternate and incased industrial pipe alt

[dense violet]

over clock and just 1 🙂

[gentle lion]

Which ones I'll go hard drive hunting lol

[strong fiber]

i also got 46 hrs on this save

[hard ivy]

Get heavy encased frame at least. It'll save you like literally half the effort when building

[strong fiber]

ok

[placid comet]

Ok I'm stumped. The entrance I found before was just a small crevice in the mountain full of small stingers and a yellow slug

[solemn crystal]

poor thing

wait whys my name like that i forg-

[strong fiber]

Imma be cycling through rescans for a while

[feral jay]

I've been known to cheat and teleport myself to a location with SCIM to figure out where it is

[solemn crystal]

anyway, if ya cant go through it, go over it !

[strong fiber]

Any recommended alternate recipes for computers im trying to make 5/min in the same factory

just on the next floor up

[magic nest]

is there any advanced components that are made of just iron copper and limestone by any chance

i got a spot that i’m not really doing anything with so i’m trying to make a advanced component outside of my main factory

[placid comet]

Finally found it. That was really well hidden

[strong fiber]

I dont think so but you can always build to nodes further out and bring them over

[magic nest]

i really like crystal computers since it’s pretty simple and doesn’t require plastic for it

require extra plastic**

since super computers already require a bunch

[strong fiber]

I built close to some crystal nodes as well

Quartz*

[magic nest]

there ya go

[strong fiber]

wait so they require no plastic

[magic nest]

they do for the the circuit boards sadly

i meant no extra plastic

[strong fiber]

Im next to crude oil as well so im still fine i will just have extra things left over probably gonna make fuel and use the polymer resin to create plastic then package and store the fuel for myself even though i have liquid biofuel

[magic nest]

i currently have a over abundance of crystal so i’m using those recipes that require crystals as much as i can

[strong fiber]

or i could make extra power

[magic nest]

i recommend making one central power and making that as massive as possible imo that works a lot better and you can just import plastic from elsewhere

[strong fiber]

Thats was im doing so probably just gonna use curde oil to make straight up plastic and also make canisters so they’re automated and then bring them back to my main base so i dont have to feed plastic to make canisters for liquid biofuel

What do i make with the leftover hor now

[magic nest]

you using liquid biofuel on purpose or just all you can get?

[strong fiber]

on purpose

[magic nest]

ah

[strong fiber]

people said it was good

I was gonna use regular fuel

[magic nest]

lasts the longest iirc

[strong fiber]

yeah he said its probably gonna be the best until ionized fuel

[magic nest]

do you have the recycled plastic alt recipe?

[strong fiber]

bruh i just rescanned that one

[magic nest]

lol

[strong fiber]

And that was my last hardrive

imma have to do a hardrive run tomorrow but for now imma go to sleep

[magic nest]

enjoy your slumber

[strong fiber]

I have to wake up in 4 hours so i will try

[magic nest]

i’m currently procrastinating making space elevator parts

[strong fiber]

I dont wanna make the modular engines and the adaptive control units yet

[hard ivy]

Heavy Encased Frame and Encased Industrial Pipe are the bare minimum imo.

I also always use Stitched Plate and Iron wire for the reinforced plates

For the modular frames, I recommend either Iron Pipe and Steeled Frame or Solid Steel, Steel Rod and default Frames

Maybe Pure Iron and Wet Concrete if you want to save on ores

[strong fiber]

Imma probably need wet concrete

But thats a future me problem

I got recycled plastic @magic nest

[magic nest]

nice

[hard ivy]

I wouldn't recommend building them in the same factory, they require completely different ingredients

As for the recipes, the most common choices are either caterium circuit board + caterium computer or silicon boards and crystal computer

Personally, I always do the first one, because then I can also do high speed connectors and ai limiters in the same factory with the same ingredients

[strong fiber]

the area i built has alot of both tho

I need to make those too bru

I will build different factories actually

I forgot about high speed connecters and ai limiters

[feral jay]

I'm producing 600 presents/min, but that's not enough

I need MOAR