satisfactory

[sterile blade]

Good thing button rebinding is a thing xD

[compact flicker]

Right index finger does both of those inputs :p

[zealous urchin]

space shouldnt be an issue given that top height is around kilometer

[silk ocean]

My head is spinning already xD

[compact flicker]

But mah compactness

[sterile blade]

I overrated compactness a lot, during my early games...

[compact flicker]

I think it looks nicer :3

[silk ocean]

I have a bluetooth xbox controller on the media PC, I should connect it to my main PC and watch my head explode

[zealous urchin]

well compact isnt bad but at some point its just clipping, plus its limiting design possibility
not to mention that alot of time and effort goes into nudging and saving space rather than anything else

[compact flicker]

Moreso, getting things as close to each other without clipping things

[sterile blade]

Preferences 🤷‍♂️
I grew to prefer spacious rooms to cramped ones (ie: preferring empty spaces over cramped ones); I also find it way easier to fill up a space with something to make it nice than to do the opposite (trying to make things look nice while I battle space constraints and have to make compromises)

[compact flicker]

We all have our preferences:3

[bitter shuttle]

uh for some reason my raw iron isn't going into a freight station?

[zealous urchin]

i lowkey hate to see it every time that ppl just stack refineries next to each other buuuut hey

[compact flicker]

Is it powered?

[sterile blade]

1. Is the station powered?
2. Is the station full already?

[bitter shuttle]

yes and no

[sterile blade]

Ahah, same! 😆

[bitter shuttle]

deconstructed and reconstructed and now it works

[sterile blade]

📷

[bitter shuttle]

what?

[compact flicker]

Screenshot it and send it to #screenshots

[sterile blade]

I was suggesting you to take a picture of the issue

[zealous urchin]

clip'ed by clippy

[bitter shuttle]

oh

well it fixed itself so im gaming

[compact flicker]

Dimensional depot is now complete

I should finish phase 2

[sterile blade]

Interestingly and funnily enough, the only instance where one can sync machines perfectly using a "load balancer" (kinda) and without needing to time individual items or other shenanigans like that is... with pipes

[zealous urchin]

satisfactory mod but every solid item, belt and input output is replaced with fluids and pipes

[sterile blade]

They just need to be sufficient o.O
Literally like with any manifold: send too little input and machines will starve
The difference is with excess as it needs to be handled (overflow management), starvation cases have the same result

[zealous urchin]

sushi belt do be f tier idea, c tier when making storage

[bitter shuttle]

i figured out my 3:4 balancer problem!!! now im dealing with... train problems, a classic

[iron seal]

I'm working on Phase 3 of my save

[whole drum]

We were talking about a manifold with a sushi main line--not just regular manifolds.

[sterile blade]

You're entitled to your opinion, even if wrong

[iron seal]

what the hell is a sushi main line (I'm not used to the slang here)

[sterile blade]

Yes, and I pointed out how what you said made no sense as there is no difference in starving a normal or a sushi manifold. Both work fine so long as one gives sufficient items

[whole drum]

As long as the feeders aren't also sushi, they could work tho

[iron seal]

I'm saying: what the heck is a sushi

(I have a cat named sushi, do I use her?)

[whole drum]

You failed to make that point clear

[zealous urchin]

proove it wrong then

[sterile blade]

"Sushi" refers to belts carrying more than one kind of item (comparison to sushi restaurants with conveyor belts)

[iron seal]

oh okay

so in my early phase 2 I had a sushi line going to the elevator

I sent the three types

[whole drum]

The main line is the belt that feeds the entire manifold system; the feeders are the ones that branch off to individual machines

[sterile blade]

"Literally like" is used to make a comparison... I fail to see how that's not clear o.O

[iron seal]

although it failed once the versatile framework was full, then the whole thing jammed

[zealous urchin]

wrong opinion or smth

[whole drum]

This is part of what Vencam is saying--you have to manage overflow

[zealous urchin]

sushi belts are only problems, no solutions

[whole drum]

They are pretty tho

[iron seal]

so then I had to split the thing into 3 belts: versaframework (going into storage), smartplat and autowire

for some reason the smartplats went slower than the versa

[zealous urchin]

amd apparently a reason for someone to base their entire personality around to feel offended online

[whole drum]

Probably your production rate was too low

[iron seal]

I had them on 100%

none on lower

[whole drum]

No, I mean the actual #/m

[sterile blade]

I suggest reading #rules against trying to expose people or stir up drama :P
(Tip: people don't often engage with what can look like just trolling)

[whole drum]

If you're making 8/m plates and 20/m frames, plates feel really slow (because they are)

[iron seal]

plate is slower than frame

[whole drum]

You came at several of us rather aggressively. Not really in a position to cry about the rules.

[sterile blade]

I guess I missed the part that felt aggressive to you
I apologize about that, my only intention was to clear out facts

[bitter shuttle]

i wish trains actually had enough capacity for all of a freight station? like its dumb that it has overflow

[whole drum]

I didn't take it personally and I didn't retaliate. Just saying how it came across.

[iron seal]

also I am arachnophobic so I have cats instead of stingers

[sterile blade]

No, I get that, but I don't get why

[whole drum]

Mostly the tone, imo

It also felt argumentative rather than like a discussion

[sterile blade]

Like, I can see a " 🤓 achtually" reaction, but I can't quite see the aggressiveness

[whole drum]

If you didn't mean it that way, I won't take it that way. No need for pointless drama.

[sterile blade]

Well, I thank you for your candid feedback. Much appreciated

[swift crown]

do i want to have a factory that solely produces rotors, reinforced plates, and modular frames and another for the project assembly parts or should i have one that produces both?

[dense violet]

up to you - the milestones are ther efor you to learn

[whole drum]

!wikisearch independency

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=independency

[whole drum]

Check out that article

You basically decide for yourself how much you do or don't want to lean into the concept, but it is a useful baseline

[zealous urchin]

did u feel offended that much to call it a drama for real?

[swift crown]

when it says no rebuilding does it mean not having to modify your existing lines for the new resources

[whole drum]

It means once you plop down a build for a certain purpose, leave it there. If you need to make something else, find a new spot and do so.

[sterile blade]

Eh, call it what you want, but things easily get nasty when people start badmouthing others "behind their back" for the lack of better words
Ie: "if only this user didn't do this thing I don't like/disagree with" kind of chat

[swift crown]

ok

[clear mesa]

The bestest method is the one u enjoy doing the end

[whole drum]

However, you can build with future upgradability in mind so you don't have to waste time with tear-downs/rebuilds; you just add onto existing.

[swift crown]

yeah

it is easier to just build in redundancy

[clear mesa]

Manifolds

[whole drum]

So if I start near rich iron nodes, I can't really take advantage of them in full for a little while. I build my initial stuff in front of the nodes and expand left, leaving the right for when I can upgrade--just as an example.

[zealous urchin]

sure i do agree, didnt want to bad mouth u tho

[clear mesa]

Just manifold everything and you're set ez

[whole drum]

Can also build with vertical upgrades in mind.

[swift crown]

yeah

[hard ivy]

You can also do neither. Just build new stuff and leave old stuff alone

[whole drum]

Which is what I do with most things after a certain point

[round crown]

what if i want to build my new stuff WITH my old stuff

gotta tear it all down

[whole drum]

Tearing down is almost never worth it

[swift crown]

okay

thanks for the feedback

[whole drum]

Build so you can add onto, or just build and forget

[sterile blade]

I apologize if there was a misunderstanding, but the direction of the convo felt clear 😅
Anyway, moving on, I took your first "sushi bad" comment as a joke and answered in stride... If you'd like to discuss some serious points about it, I'm up for it ^^ (once I come back as I'm actually getting busy now)

[formal minnow]

should I make motors completely out of iron (using iron wires and iron pipes)
its almost 60/min iron per 1/min motors

[round crown]

it is when you need to fix power. i just spent the last hour rebuilding my pipes for my 10 gens

[whole drum]

I was just thinking about how sushi can be good for assemblers if you manage your input rates and overflow--that way you don't have to do weird things with lifts or layered belts

[clear mesa]

You can if youre making it in a place near a lot of pure iron nodes yeah why not

Should give you 600/min with mk3s

[whole drum]

Just build them right the first time 😉

[clear mesa]

That's 10 motors a minute per node

[round crown]

its great that you say this because my sushi line is that

[clear mesa]

Wait

[formal minnow]

lemme see how much iron i have to work with-

[clear mesa]

1,200 with mk3s my bad

[round crown]

just not very uh efficent

[clear mesa]

600 is with mk2s

So 20/min with mk3s ( 250% )

[whole drum]

I saw a clip you posted that looked a bit excessive compared to what I'm talking about, but if it works, it works

[round crown]

thats a prottype simply to make the resources. i was tynna fiqure out a problem

[whole drum]

I would probably avoid going sushi with high volume parts like screws/wires tho

[round crown]

that took ages to fiqure out

[clear mesa]

This sounds like hell

[whole drum]

Indeed

[round crown]

is THAT why my asemlber never gets wire?

[clear mesa]

The only time I've ever used a sushi belt is when merging the output of space elevator parts to the space elevator itself 😭

Every other time I opt against it because of how simply it could break with 1 bad timing

[whole drum]

I've used it for belting stuff from one plant to a larger plant, then using smart splitter to sort it to where it needed to go

[hard ivy]

Use pure iron and it's 30. That's not that expensive considering how much iron there is

[round crown]

its so convenient

[clear mesa]

I can see how that'd work but I'd still work with 2 belts solely for aesthetic at that point (or train depending on distance)

[formal minnow]

i do not have that yet

[clear mesa]

I'm just not a big fan of the way they look unfortunately

[whole drum]

I wouldn't generally recommend sushi belts, though. It's more of a "you know what you're doing and want to streamline certain things" kind of idea (imo)

[cursive crane]

1500 hours or so on satisfactory, I've never used a sushi belt. Not once

[whole drum]

Yeah, they aren't necessary

[hard ivy]

I only have 2 sushi belts in my entire world and they're both for turning slugs and remains into shards and protein

[formal minnow]

not even for central storage?

[cursive crane]

No need for program splitters. And the only reason I use smart splitters is for overflow into sinks to keep things running lol

[round crown]

aye,i didn't know what i was doing and managed. hoenhstly sushi was more obvious then manifolds at first. the moment i saw what a smart splitter was i was just like "wait!! i can make everything one line!!!"

[formal minnow]

smart splitters on sushi are really nice for storage systems

[hard ivy]

Why would I even have central storage

[round crown]

why wouldn't you

[whole drum]

It took me awhile after unlocking smart splitters to find valid uses for them

[hard ivy]

The depot is my central storage

[cursive crane]

Nope. Even before the DD, I plan to max thoroughput of the final belt in storage line. No room for sushi. Thats assuming its only running one line 😂

12k iron ingot factory go brr

[round crown]

they changed my life

i don't think i could live without smart splitters

[whole drum]

Considering the many uses I have for them now, I agree

[round crown]

what else do you use them for

[formal minnow]

how tf do you do item shipping, does every single item have their own station? theres a point where a little sushi is way more space efficient

[whole drum]

What Kyo said, for one

[round crown]

how many lines were those 12k ingots

[whole drum]

I also use them to ensure oil never shuts off

Same with aluminum

[round crown]

how does that work

[cursive crane]

You dont wanna know

Did it with mk5s, havent had the stomache to go back and upgrade everything to 6s

[whole drum]

You overflow excess solid products into a sink so it doesn't stop producing hor/fuel

[round crown]

well im def making ALOT

[formal minnow]

i find it hard to believe one would find the resources necessary to make 780/min HMFs

[cursive crane]

If you are planning a factory for sushi belts, you are planning for inefficiencies. Proper planned factory makes as much use of belts and machines production times as possible and leaves little room for sushi

[round crown]

i wanna make everything idk what hmfs are but i wanna pretty much be overproducing for majority of resources

[hard ivy]

Yes, I do one station per item type.

And no, doing something else wouldn't save me much space considering all of my stations have at least 3 platforms. Combining things would only make them longer. Plus I'd no longer be able to use "depart when empty/full", which means my throughput would likely suffer, so I'd need even more platforms. And traffic would be much worse. Mixing cargo would be an all-around terrible idea for me

[round crown]

so i never actually run out

which means

ALOTTTTTTTTTT of every single ore

[cursive crane]

!wikisearch iron+ore

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=iron+ore

[round crown]

i should prob calc the exact number

but i don't act know the number

[hard ivy]

Well, you can find the resources for 4-5 times that

[formal minnow]

having ore sitting around is just weird
not even like, rods or plates or something

[cursive crane]

Remember at mk3 miner 250% oc, its possible to get 92100 iron ore.

[round crown]

well the ore would be sitting around when its not backed up

[formal minnow]

i dont even keep stators since theyre more or less useless

[round crown]

.......what

[whole drum]

But what I was talking about earlier with assemblers using a sushi manifold would be something like rips+iron rods=frames, and they are all low volume enough to not overly tax a belt or stifle each other, so I don't have to mess with dual belt feeds and lifts or w/e

[cursive crane]

Convert that to pure iron...

Thats a lot of ingots

[round crown]

don't make my already comically large factory even more impossible

im already struggling and i just started

this is going to be a longgggg project

i wonder how much power im gonna need......

[cursive crane]

One step at a time you'll get there. Theres no rush

[cursive crane]

You can comfortably complete the game with 30-50gw. Can tell you that much

If you are willing to manage machines and flip things on/off as needed can probably get a lot lower

[round crown]

i want everything in the general vicinity of eachother which for plastic and rubber is going to be a pain cuz i gotta the oil and such to the damm DESSERT

[cursive crane]

But most people go a lot higher

[hard ivy]

Meanwhile, I'm pulling like 80 and barely completed phase 4 😅

[round crown]

gw is 50,000 right

[cursive crane]

50000MW

[hard ivy]

1 GW is 1000 MW

[round crown]

ye i assumed they meant 50000 MW

thats how i mathed that at least

but that mean i need at least double that.....

uh how much does a nuclear power plant give

[hard ivy]

2500 MW @100%

[formal minnow]

using no alts the required iron for 780/min HMFs is 117k/min
which like, even with pure iron thats more than half of your entire global supply, and you still have everything else to produce

[hard ivy]

Using no alts for HMFs is a terrible idea

[cursive crane]

Honestly completed the game without nuclear so
Regular fuel with alt recipes lol

[round crown]

so i should def do that instead of making like 400 fuel gens

[cursive crane]

Why not both

[hard ivy]

Fueling fuel gens is much easier than fueling nuke plants tbh

[round crown]

ive never gotten to nuke

so im going in blind

[ocean frost]

Restarting nuclear is far harder than restarting restarting oil

Have the oil as a backup 🙂

[hard ivy]

Yeah but having to restart is a skill issue

[round crown]

i never tried nuke at all i just now it should DEF be seperate from anything else

[round crown]

a skill issue that i have

[round crown]

don't tempt me

[formal minnow]

ok it turns out i missed an entire 90/min iron per 1/min HMF for steel production because im illiterate
which cutting down with solid steel is 60/min, bringing the total up to 163800 with solid steel alone
i dont think theres a lot of alts that can cover that much

[round crown]

how much power are geothermals again

[ocean frost]

Skill was my dump stat

[ocean frost]

On the wiki 200 or something

[cursive crane]

Having a solid amount of fuel power is a nice stepping stone to getting nuclear going.

Keep in mind the milestones are basically one big tutorial, doing things in order helps you prepare for later stuff.

[hard ivy]

7.1 GW if you use all of them

[hard ivy]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=gt9CmFgzoTs8r7YfzKdA

780 HMF/min, 75k iron, 40k limestone, 70k water, 0 coal

Like I said, HMFs without alts are an absolutely terrible idea and imo should not be done under any circumstances

One of the reasons why I never did a no alt run and never will

Dealing with all defaults for this is just straight up self-torture

[formal minnow]

again the max iron you can mine is 92100
and they were claiming they were also maxxing out T5 belts with every item

if it wasnt clear before the point of this is i call bullshit

[hard ivy]

Well, you ain't doing 780 pasta/min I can tell you that

[formal minnow]

shit i shouldve run with pasta thats way easier to disprove
i just hate HMFs

[whole drum]

Unless they are using mods. Some people use double resource mods, for example.

[formal minnow]

in which case their perspective is entirely inapplicable to vanilla gameplay

[hard ivy]

HMFs are unironically my favourite item to automate

[whole drum]

Agree, but the recipes look the same to them

[compact flicker]

10gw biofuel plant that is only used when a power plant needs to be turned on

[formal minnow]

honestly I remember building a small output rate HMF factory and its big enough to where the building process itself is almost meditative

quickly followed up by the most frustrating troubleshooting in the game up to that point

oil processing was more fun than that troubleshooting

i do like oil processing tho especially when you get alts in

[round crown]

how do you automate biofuel

[hard ivy]

You don't

You just put sloops in every stage of production

[compact flicker]

Polyester fabric

[hard ivy]

Not anymore

[formal minnow]

those can run biofuel?

[compact flicker]

oh

[formal minnow]

aw

biofuel only run

[shy mulch]

biofuelllllll

[formal minnow]

environmental damage maxxing

[shy mulch]

love the stuff, more plants!

[compact flicker]

Just an industrial crate full of mycelia, it makes so much biofuel.

[shy mulch]

or alien remains 😄

[hard ivy]

Alien protein makes even more

[formal minnow]

isnt alien protein also renewable
cos they respawn

[compact flicker]

Ye

I wanna have all these power failsafes and priority switches and all that, but they're just.. Not necessary >:

[hard ivy]

1 alien remains is 400 GJ of liquid biofuel lol

[sterile blade]

Funfact: sushi goes great with nuclear recipes. One step in particular can be fed 3 of the 4 items needed using a single MK4 belt at any scale (ie: at max nuclear, the items total at less than 480/min)

[compact flicker]

Max nuclear?

[sterile blade]

Yeah, using all Uranium on the map (no ore conversion though)

[formal minnow]

i forget ore conversion is a thing

[sterile blade]

I haven't ran the numbers for a "max nuclear" that includes ore conversion, but I reckon the items would surely fit on a MK6

[compact flicker]

Thought so

[whole drum]

Very cool

[sterile blade]

Ah, the recipe is the alt for Fuel Rods (excluding the Cells, which can be easily fed 1:1 from prior production step)

[formal minnow]

oo i might start doing some hypertubing

ive never actually set this up before cos ive always been too lazy to give myself any kind of creature comfort

[hard ivy]

Max nuclear with conversion is 4-5 bigger than without

[sterile blade]

Jesus 😆

[swift crown]

I just got the single best alt recipe in the game (in my opinion), cast screws, and it’s gonna save me so much pain

[hard ivy]

228 uranium rods and 57 plutonium to sink for 2.85 TW
or
256 uranium rods and 12800 waste to store for 3.2 TW

And that's without sloops XD

[sterile blade]

Yeah, I managed to go up to 211.5 UFRs/min (and yeah, that'd be a bit too many items for a single belt): https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=TR3jF2NS8rgVEXAwrcBC
Still, unlike "normal" max nuclear, that's a plan thatycan only make nuclear, nothing more :/ (well, nothing "substantial")

[hard ivy]

This is something only people who haven't gone past phase 1 can say
There are so many so much better recipes later in the game
Hell, I'd even say there are better recipes in phase 0

[whole drum]

Building a couple extra constructors really isn't that hard, lol. Cast Screws is probably one of the most over-rated recipes, imo.

[hard ivy]

No, I'd say it's the most overrated recipe. By far.
Frankly, I'd say it's one of the 10 least useful recipes

[whole drum]

I wouldn't go quite that far, lol. It has uses. And there are plenty of recipes I just don't ever see using. Over-rated, though? Easily top 3.

[hard ivy]

Cast screws are useful, but only if they're the only alt recipe you have. As soon as you start collecting more, they quickly become completely useless

[dense violet]

its useful early on - bout it

[reef basin]

yeah it quickly loses most values once you get steel

[dense violet]

I've never used it past the few early tiers yeah.

[whole drum]

Iron Pipes now... that's an excellent recipe

[reef basin]

🤢

[whole drum]

Has so many conveniences

[reef basin]

and so many inconveniences

[whole drum]

Not really, lol

[dense violet]

gross

[reef basin]

(or in other words - as with any other recipe, its usage is subjective)

[dense violet]

I think Iron is a trash resource, to be spent like water

Iron Pipe is a gross waste of material

[whole drum]

Of an extremely abundant resource

[reef basin]

still a waste

iron pipe basically saves you a bit of coal for large chunk of iron

[whole drum]

But lets you easily build in places where coal isn't convenient, or save some work on certain components

[reef basin]

given coal is basically for coal power and steel, I don't want to save it much

and I build factories where they are convenient 🤷

[whole drum]

Saving on coal isn't its best perk, imo

But I like the recipe from a design standpoint a lot: It gives some obvious benefits, has some actual costs, and provides interesting choices

[reef basin]

it also skips the phase where people learn about how to deal with steel 🙃

[whole drum]

wym?

[hard ivy]

I don't think I've ever been in a situation where getting the coal for default pipe was easier than getting the extra iron for iron pipe

[reef basin]

steel is the phase where people start using foundries, most things require two inputs and you're introduced to steel which powers most of the mid-late game 🤷

[whole drum]

It does free some up for extra power, which can be nice

Though I think most people get the bulk of their power at the oil stage

[hard ivy]

Unless you're doing default plutonium, the only steel you need is for building

[dense violet]

iron and coal being next to each other is ... like the most common combo.

[reef basin]

the only anything you need is for building

[hard ivy]

It can be entirely removed from all but that one chain

[reef basin]

(or milestones)

[dense violet]

you require so many more machines for the same output I think. so seems unlikely

[whole drum]

I would say it's common for coal to be near iron, but not always the other way round

[dense violet]

but it's probably the most common combo. You can wander in a random direction and probably hit it

[whole drum]

Not sure what you mean here. You either use coal for power or for something else. It's not really a question of # of machines.

[reef basin]

I mean if you deliberately pick a location without coal and then complain about lack of coal on location, that's on you

[hard ivy]

Ah, yes, 10% more is "so many more"

[whole drum]

It depends on what you want to do (as with so much else in the game). If you start in dunes, there is coal around, but it's kind of a long walk between them. Iron is everywhere! So maybe you just make some motors at one of those iron areas where there aren't a lot of other resources around. It's a good use for the iron unless you enjoy shipping mass quantities of it everywhere for some reason.

[dense violet]

there's so much coal next to water that also isn't an issue

[whole drum]

No, I wasn't suggesting it was.

[hard ivy]

Speaking of alt recipes: I finally got to use the ones I made.

And I gotta say, I balanced them correctly, because I'm struggling to decide which ones I want to use 😆

[whole drum]

A mod?

[reef basin]

obviously if you design recipes with intent of having them balanced for your preferences, it's gonna be that way

[whole drum]

Sometimes. Balancing can be tough, even if only for yourself. Having done a couple tweak mods for Skyrim and a couple other games, it can take a bit of trial/error to get right.

Having more uses for quartz inthe early game would be interesting tho

[formal minnow]

why the hell does the hypertube branch have to split left
i want a right splitting branch

[whole drum]

Rotate it?

[formal minnow]

cant rotate it that way

[hard ivy]

you can

[formal minnow]

h o w

[hard ivy]

Place it at the end of a tube instead of on the ground

[formal minnow]

its pointing backwards

[hard ivy]

then put it on a backwards tube

[formal minnow]

#screenshots message

[hard ivy]

click once scroll again?

[formal minnow]

huh.

thas funky

[hard ivy]

if something doesn't get placed after one click, it's because it has a second option after that click. pipe and tube supports have tilt, BPs have auto-connect, HT branches and junctions have a 2nd axis rotation and there's probably something I'm forgetting about

[fiery pewter]

Foundations in zoop mode

[whole drum]

And belts

[fiery pewter]

No belts were mentioned

[formal minnow]

do hypertubes not decelerate on straights?

[fiery pewter]

Nope

Well

[formal minnow]

i wanna keep some boosted speed from the funny entrance stacking thing

[fiery pewter]

Hypertubes don't decelerate unless you do whatever input to go backwards. Looks really funky

[hard ivy]

ig zoop counts too because you choose a start and end. but I was mostly thinking about things that stay in place after the first click

[fiery pewter]

Yeah if you put it like that, there isn't much more

The rest mostly zoops

[formal minnow]

i just have it running along my power tower lines with a set of boosters under each tower

[fiery pewter]

Nice one

But beware

Too fast might crash your game

And use something to stop

Before you get flung off of the map

[formal minnow]

im actually going too fast to even use exits

im gonna simplify the exit

[fiery pewter]

Junctions you mean?

[formal minnow]

yeah

[fiery pewter]

Interesting

[formal minnow]

added QTEs to satisfactory

[fiery pewter]

There's gotta be a speedometer mod out there that measures hypertube speed

[fiery pewter]

Lmaoo

Time to react: less than half a second

[fiery pewter]

Pumps fall in this catagory too

[hard ivy]

there's probably one in the debug menu

[fiery pewter]

Yeah true

What kinda terrifies me is that we go faster than 150 KM/h on ziplines

That's the same speed as, if not faster than, trains

Yeah no it is faster

Trains max out at 125

[whole drum]

Where does this number come from?

[fiery pewter]

The achievment

You have to go (faster than) 150 on a zipline

!wikisearch achievements

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=achievements

[leaden turret]

trains on autopilot

manually-driven trains can go faster

[fiery pewter]

Nvm

Its faster than 140

But I have gotten it on a zipline

[whole drum]

Ziplines are reasonably fast, but they don't feel faster than a train lol

[formal minnow]

i may have spent like 300MW on powering hypertubes

[hard ivy]

that's like 2 cross-map cannons

[formal minnow]

yeah uh i may have added too much speed

[reef basin]

and like 300MW more than I'd use

[sterile blade]

Tbh, I can see it used in the north-east starter area
I often wished I could pump more of my Coal into power instead of Steel, there ^^

[hard ivy]

isn't that what I said? that it's easier to get extra iron for iron pipe than extra coal for steel pipe?

[sterile blade]

Yeah, I missread a bit 😅

[formal minnow]

top 5 greatest plot twists in history: ADA actually likes the whale tick things

[dense violet]

who doesn't ? only monsters, that's who

[sonic verge]

ill be making a switch from console to PC this week. how is it on PC?

[clear mesa]

Better

[whole drum]

Way better. Welcome to the good life.

[sonic verge]

sweet I cant wait. still trying to figure out how I should install my old HDDs in the PC since its a prebuilt and ive only ever built them from the ground up

[silk ocean]

If you've only ever built your own PCs I doubt you'll find it a challenge

[sonic verge]

yeah true

[hard ivy]

Depends on the prebuild tbh. Some are only designed to fit what the manufacturer puts in them and nothing else

Though idk if any of them do that with the drives

[silk ocean]

Most I've seen reviewed on Gamers Nexus are basically in off the shelf cases but yea depends on that one specifically

[hard ivy]

Dell, Lenovo and HP might have custom cases and/or MBs that might make adding a drive a nightmare, but yeah, basically everyone else uses standard components

[silk ocean]

Oh yea they do, DELL for sure

HP too I would suspect

[vague timber]

And here I am struggling with three trains... xd

[hard ivy]

I've seen one prebuilt workstation that had space for additional drives, but required sleds to actually attach them and the sleds were sold separately

[silk ocean]

Urgh xD

[hard ivy]

Some people are struggling with one. So it's not as bad it could be

And once you figure out how to do 5, you can basically do 100

[placid comet]

Ok if I was nervous before about alphas, I'm not anymore. Finally got the rifle and gave it a test spin. While the individual shots feel half the power of the rebar gun, the 15 shot mags and high fire rate MORE than make up for it. Not to mention there's zero recoil

[silk ocean]

Get the red mags and you'll really have a blast xD

[true mulch]

The rebar gun deals a lot per hit, but has a worse penalty if you miss

The rifle is spray and pray

[placid comet]

What especially makes me happy is how easy ammo is to mass produce. While oil, coal, and sulfur weren't all together near me, I worked around it with the train. I made black powder in one spot and brought over residue from my new power plant

[true mulch]

It's a good idea to group parts that use the same raw resources together

[placid comet]

Do you know a good spot off hand? I'm getting a feel for stringing together machines in smart ways but nodes, or the lack there of safe for specific areas make this tricky

[dense violet]

part of exploring 🙂 you can scan for resources with the scanner

[round shell]

I've been out of rifle ammo for ages but just happened to find a few stacks of sulfur that I'd forgotten about so the last thing I did before finishing yesterday was thrown that in a temporary black powder machine

[mortal tree]

how to use awesome sink what should put in it?

[hard ivy]

you belt stuff into it, it gets shredded, you get points for that. points are exchanged for tickets that can be spent in the awesome shop
the more complex item it is, the more points it's worth
you can put basically anything in it, there are very few exceptions
I suggest sinking overflow from all of your factories to gain points passively

[ornate saffron]

Like the pope with a super soaker

[unkempt blade]

I think I'm finally done with my ficsmas shopping so I can focus on factory carts again today

[woven raven]

hey guys someone wants to talk and play a bit?

[strong fiber]

Why you in love with factory carts

[fathom shuttle]

How long is it gonna last?

[strong fiber]

They not even good bru

[fathom shuttle]

I have finals can’t play rn

[strong fiber]

Until January i think

[unkempt blade]

because they're adorable and don't need fuel and move lots of items and are lots of fun in a skatepark

[fathom shuttle]

Sweet

[strong fiber]

I thought they only move 1’item

[unkempt blade]

forever or until I run out of food

[unkempt blade]

1 stack and the small inventory means they load/unload much faster than other vehicles 😄

you just need a swarm of them which is actually a benefit because you get to see more of them driving around and marvel at their cuteness

[strong fiber]

Would it hurt to make a giant train or should i make multiple smaller ones

[unkempt blade]

depends on how you build the train network

[strong fiber]

Does it go slower the bigger it is

[unkempt blade]

it needs more engine cars to go up slopes

but if you have poorly built intersections the longer trains cause deadlock more frequently in my experience

[true mulch]

That depends on which nodes you're already using and generally where your existing factories are located. Use SCIM / radar towers to choose the right locations

[unkempt blade]

+1 for radar towers. They're totally worth the setup effort if you're unfamiliar with the map

[reef basin]

yeah, I kinda "hate" how people default to "use SCIM" over "use the game mechanics"

[true mulch]

Nothing wrong with using tools available to you

[reef basin]

I mean yeah, but like... radar towers give you practically the same view as SCIM does

[true mulch]

Radar Towers don't become accessible before tier 4 (manual)/5 (automatic)

I need to do planning as soon as in tier 3

[reef basin]

before that you rarely need that many different resources that a scanner won't be enough imo

[unkempt blade]

It's a sandbox so people should play however is fun but I do think there's something to be said for trying to use ingame resources first at least on your first save

[hard ivy]

Until then I think you're meant to use the scanner and map markers

[shadow isle]

when do we get ficsmas mixtape?
is it later on as a calendar reward?
i really dont remember

[remote pasture]

I seen people on youtube having 2 trains locomotive on 1 train (1 on each side) does that means i need 2 train stations (1 for each end of train) ? How does that work?

[oblique aspen]

it means the train can go in both directions and dock in train stations that go either way, just think of it as two different trains in one

although unless you build a dedicated line that only this train is going to use, i wouldnt personally do that, but the option is there

[hard ivy]

Depends which way the locomotives are facing

The train always needs at least one front locomotive - a locomotive with nothing attached in front of it. That will be the "main" locomotive that stops at stations. Every other locomotive in the train will just add power and will not stop at stations (where they stop is entirely dependent on where the front main locomotive stops)

But if you have 2 locomotives with nothing attached in front of them, one on each end of the train, facing opposite directions, either one can be the main locomotive and they can switch when a train departs from a station (but only at a station).

Locomotives in automatic can only drive forward, not reverse, but the train can switch to the other front locomotive (if it has one) to "reverse" the train. The main locomotive still drives forward, it's just the opposite direction of what forward is for the other

Having another locomotive at the back, facing the same direction as the front doesn't do anything other than give the train more power - it won't be able to reverse the train

[remote pasture]

1 locomotive on each end, for example locomotive then 2 cars then another locomotive, and train track was only 1 line.

[hard ivy]

Again, depends which way the locomotives are facing

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or

<] [] [] [] <]

In the first case, it's a push-pull train capable of going in both directions. In the second, it still can only go in one direction.

But both have 2 locomotives, so they have the same acceleration and climbing power

[remote pasture]

Check the ping i did in #screenshots

[hard ivy]

Yeah, that is a push-pull train

[remote pasture]

Iam trying to figure out how to set it up atm.

Untill i do, drones for me as transport

[hard ivy]

Generally I'd advise against using them because while the ability to reverse can be convenient, it can also cause the train to end up backwards in the station, picking up/dropping off items in reverse order vs what you expected

I suggest keeping trains simple. Only go forward, and each rail has only one direction the trains can go in

Basically a loop

[jolly flax]

I wonder when next big update

Is there a roadmap for next year?

[remote pasture]

I should mention iam playing in creative, and since idk where to send my stuff i craft, so i send everything to awsome sink just to keep the belts going.

[hard ivy]

First half of next year is all we know for now

[hasty cairn]

Project parts. Awesome sink the smart plating, etc. you don't need. Project parts for the space elevator tend to give you BIG awesome sink credits.

[hasty cairn]

I like to smart split this so a belt feeds into the elevator when needed, and then goes on to the sink once it is full

[remote pasture]

@hard ivy

[jolly flax]

Did the pumps get fixed

Tbh an underwater map where we go deeper would be epic

Since space wont be added

[leaden turret]

December 19th, 2019 Video
Q&A: Underwater Worlds?
https://youtu.be/QXK9y3pnWGg

just play subnautica

[jolly flax]

No factory there

[limpid inlet]

No space sucks

[jolly flax]

Ye

Would be cool tbh

[glad quest]

ugh

[mild gate]

Hi, i have a quick question: what is the difference between Any vs Any Undefined for the Smart Splitter?

[glad quest]

just realised i dont have enough powa for my fuel setup

[hard ivy]

any lets through anything, any underfined lets through anyting that isn't specified in any of the other outputs

[mild gate]

ok thank you

[primal obsidian]

95/120GW from my nuclear good enough

[glad quest]

its fluctuating?

[primal obsidian]

train problems

very frequent

[glad quest]

ohhhh

[primal obsidian]

might add drone ports everywhere as backup if trains fail

[sterile blade]

BTW, how did you get those numbers?
Can you share the plan?

[glad quest]

guys ive got 40 coal pwp and my fuel set up needs nearly 3gw

[round crown]

Disconnect all the fuel gens,let them fill up with fuel and then it should be able to run itself

[hard ivy]

I got the numbers by putting in a huge number of waste as input, disabled all alt recipes for plutonium (fertile, instant, unit), maximized plutonium rods, and then gradually increased uranium rods until plutonium rods were as close to 1/4 of the uranium rods as possible (https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=VmeiGaesM7WzbLCT4Cy0)

This can also be achieved much faster using Optimizer and asking for max power, allowing it to only burn uranium rods, not allowing waste and allowing sinking plutonium. it could also do sloops, which is not easy to do in Tools in this case. but I did it on my phone while on a train so that wasn't an option XD

the second one is just maximizing uranium rods

[glad quest]

i dont have enough power to get all the machines to make any fuel tho

[round crown]

You have 40 coal gens

Coal is 75 per right

[glad quest]

YEAH IK THATS THE PROBLEM

[glad quest]

15

[round crown]

No 75mw

[glad quest]

oh yh

[round crown]

Is the 3,000MW JUST for the refiners

[glad quest]

yes

not including the 20 assemblers i need aswell

or water extractors

[jolly flax]

What are the problems so that I will know when I reach it

[olive badger]

hey guys i struggle to figure out how to set this up, maybe someone would have some insight:

so i have a unidirectional train that i want to pick up various items en route in 3 different stations with 3 freight stations each, let's call them station A, B, C

so a total of 9 freight trains

now i want everything to unload at station D and i want to use 3 locomotives to pull the 9 freight trains

how do my station lay out have to look so that the train stops and picks up everything at station A,B,C and then unloads everything properly in the right order on station D?

[zinc niche]

Omg I just did coal power properly and it's so satisfying

[glad quest]

i like to use the empty stations

[glad quest]

yeah ikr tho i currently have 40 basically ontop of each other lmfao

[round crown]

Disconnect all asemblers,and enough refiners so that you can make fuel without it shutting off. Let the fuel stockpile into a few fuel gens and you should be fine

[rare stone]

i just got trains and i have made a fright platform and got a fright car. but its not loading, even after i have load clicked on the freight station. im new to train what to do?

[glad quest]

wait i can just make oil into fuel

[zinc niche]

I've started a second save and after following peoples advice it feels definitely a lot easier and alot more rewarding, especially with fluids like pre-filling and checking every pipe.

[glad quest]

ikr

esp when u stop spaghetti

[zinc niche]

My friend said he can build it for me but I feel like that ruins the point.

[glad quest]

yeah the entire point is to build factories

[heavy pine]

Hmm, my FICSMAS facility is taking my max power consumption above my production. Time to shut off some non-essentials elsewhere in the factory, like those space elevator project parts I no longer need.

[glad quest]

dude i love ficsmas

[round crown]

You....weren't doing that?

[glad quest]

no i was doing a turbo fuel set up

[round crown]

I haven't touched turbo fuel yet

[glad quest]

its based

80 fuel plants instead of 12 for the same oil

[primal obsidian]

train throughput issues and my bad signaling

[round crown]

Its that much better?

[primal obsidian]

recipie tree isnt that complicated only took me like 20 hrs

[glad quest]

yes

tho u do need more machines and coal and sulphur

[heavy pine]

According to Satisfactory Modeler, my FICSMAS facility will use just under 24GW of power once it's complete.

[round crown]

@glad quest also bro can ur tag NOT abbreviate cyperpunk

[glad quest]

lol its from the a modding server for it lol its got the 77 so im safe

[round crown]

Is it worth? I was just gonna hope my 3 oil nodes could power my fuel

[glad quest]

1000%

tho u do need to do the oil doubling method

[round crown]

Maybeee I should do that before I make 400 fuel gens

[fiery pewter]

All for the FICSMAS spirit am I right?

[glad quest]

YES U SHOULD

im using 270 oil and im gonna get 80 fuel plants

[hard ivy]

? Turbofuel is 2.22 times more efficient than fuel

[round crown]

So whats the number

[heavy pine]

Of course. The planned 60 Wonder Stars per minute aren't gonna craft themselves.

[glad quest]

2.66*

[fiery pewter]

What the-

[glad quest]

i was using straight oil to fuel

lol

[hard ivy]

And default turbofuel uses fuel so the fuel recipe doesn't matter. It's always 2.22 times, unless you use 2 different fuel recipes for the different chains. Which isn't a fair comparison

[glad quest]

should i get blenders for turbo fuel

[pulsar lion]

Can you not auto connect powerlines in blueprints or am I missing something?

[glad quest]

nope

[heavy pine]

Nope, power lines won't auto-connect. That would be a nightmare mess.

[hard ivy]

I wouldn't burn turbofuel for power, regardless of how it's made

Diluted fuel is more than good enough until rocket/nuclear

[pulsar lion]

I mean not really a nightmare, if I am building a train line and want the lights to auto connect thought that would be nice. But understandable.

[fiery pewter]

Who was it again that wanted to make a 3 to 4 load balancer earlier today?

[round crown]

Whats the other turbo fuel recipe

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch turbofuel

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=turbofuel

[round crown]

Thats made with what exactly

Oh water

Wait isn't that packaged

[hard ivy]

There's 2 recipes

[fiery pewter]

Yes

The first variant

Is with water

[glad quest]

true but i have all the rss so i may aswell

[hard ivy]

One packaged, the other one not. Identical oil efficiency

[glad quest]

yeah but less machines overall so i dont have to bother with canisters

[hard ivy]

At least do rocket if you're already looking at using blenders

[rare stone]

my train is not loading anything on the cart? what am i doing wrong

[hard ivy]

If you have blenders, you use diluted. If you don't, you use diluted packaged. Simple as that

[pulsar lion]

Did you set 1 station to load and 1 to unload?

[fiery pewter]

Train station setting?

Is the train docked?

[rare stone]

yes one is set to load and one to unload

[unkempt blade]

could just do turbo now and add rocket later - just needs you to bring in some nitrogren to upgrade the chain

[rare stone]

oh wait it worked

i had the station path side wrong, so it could not load

[hard ivy]

The recipes I'd use for turbo to burn and for turbo to make into RF are completely different. The "upgrade" would be "tear everything down and build it differently". Which is one reason why I don't burn turbofuel

[pulsar lion]

I was about to plan and build a turbo fuel generator farm is that not worth it then? I dont have rocket fuel unlocked yet.

[unkempt blade]

there's plenty of resources to do both ways so the tear down feels like more of a preference and less of a necessity

[round crown]

Is it better then oil

[fiery pewter]

My guy

[round crown]

Im asking a VALID question idk which alt recipes are good

[fiery pewter]

Of course its better than oil

[hard ivy]

Turbo basically turns coal and sulfur into oil. And not at a particularly favourable rate. It doesn't really save any space or effort either.

If you have the oil to just do regular fuel, I don't see any reason to make turbofuel. It's very much a sidegrade with as many benefits as downsides

[fiery pewter]

Most oil based alts are good

[unkempt blade]

worse than oil - oil is organic and better for your health

[fiery pewter]

I'd rather not drink liquid dinosaur

[hard ivy]

How am I supposed to compare a recipe and a liquid?

[round crown]

......so I guess I should wait till I get the alt to make this rig

[unkempt blade]

your loss, it gave me great teeth and tiny little arms which is an overall improvement for my quality of life

[fiery pewter]

Cool kids eat the uranium

Lasts you a lifetime

[round crown]

Ur a funny one

!wikisearch rocket fuel

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=rocket+fuel

[glad quest]

imo if u have less of one rescources than others and u need more of that output use whatever alt gives u most bang for that rescource u lack

[fiery pewter]

Do you play on pc or console?

[glad quest]

even if its less efficent power or total rescource wise

[round crown]

Pc

[fiery pewter]

Do you know about the Modeler?

[round crown]

I do not

[fiery pewter]

Iz free

[hard ivy]

I'd recommend SFTools instead

[fiery pewter]

Each their own preference

[hard ivy]

Modeler is painfully manual

[fiery pewter]

That's why I like it

[unkempt blade]

agreed, there's a time and place for worrying about power efficiency (early game) but you're never going to use all the resources on the map unless you have a really edge-case save so maxing resource efficiency is silly

[hard ivy]

And that's why I think it's kinda pointless XD

Why would I do something by hand when there's a tool that can do it for me

[round crown]

Im on phase 4

Soool now its time to worry

[unkempt blade]

that's kind of the opposite of what I'm saying but play however you have fun 😆

[fiery pewter]

Fair. It gives me the idea like I am already building the factory

[round crown]

So how do I use this

[round crown]

My factory is a mess. And if I make a new factory I want to make my big project that will take AGES to do

So I can't complete this phase

Unless I solve alllll my issues

Now I gotta fiqure out how much of every single resource im making

[unkempt blade]

stressing about a perfect outcome instead of just making stuff run good-enough usually makes it take longer to complete a phase 🙂

[round crown]

Maybe I should seperate plastic and rubber instead of trying to train oul

[round crown]

Thats assuming my goal is to simply to complete the phase

Whats unlocked in tier 9 anyway

[unkempt blade]

look at the wiki, it'll tell you

[hard ivy]

A lot of pseudoscientific quantum nonsense

[round crown]

What

That is definitely nonsense

[unkempt blade]

that's just the whole game

[stone python]

What, you don’t have teleporters in your basement??

[green fiber]

||Except for the more "normal" Quantum Computer and Time Crystals.||
The machines to make them are sure surreal, but the general idea is somewhat rooted in reality.

Time crystals can/could be made by using diamonds with nitrogen vacancy centers and could serve as a source for somewhat stable quantum memory for quantum computers

Converters are absolute magic though and are closer to fictional alchemy

[unkempt blade]

no but I do have some cat monsters down there that are just like in satis

[white dawn]

I mean to be fair we start out with a handheld gadget which is able to turn a couple of fancy iron plates and some spools of cable into a gigantic machine capable of such diverse activities as extracting DNA from alien remains, turning ingots into a box of screws/bolts, and grinding up slugs into devices which can make machines run at 250% speed (selectable in an instant via a user interface which is somehow on there!)

[unkempt blade]

yeah it's extremely soft sci fi right from the start

[white dawn]

My headcanon remains that literally nothing we're doing on the planet is actually necessary; FICSIT could clearly just wave a metaphorical hand and produce whatever they want essentially out of thin air. :D The Pioneer's just being kept busy for Reasons Unknown™. :D

Let's not forget the perpetual motion machines which are conveyor belts. :P

[alpine anchor]

satisfactory is an optimization game so by playing im studying for my calc final later today right...

[unkempt blade]

maybe more algebra than calc but practicing math is still good 😄

[sterile blade]

Thanks for breaking it down, that was an interesting approach!
I tried by maximizing PFR while the UFR output was set at increasingly high steps (changing the Waste input to match), going higher until the plan stopped using all Waste. Clearly not an ideal approach (ended up being off by more than just a couple Rods)

[twin helm]

Just finished a modular engine factory producing 10 per min, just looked at control units, ts gonna take for ever

[sterile blade]

Somewhere, in a dimension unknown to normal pioneers, a new pioneer was spawned on a "planet" with the task of powering the mysterious Project Conveyor...

[modest needle]

I finally bought satisfactory, what should I know before starting to play ? I know how to do maths and ratios because I already played Industrialist in Roblox and mastered it. That's why I bought this game to go even further and I need some tips.

[north summit]

You will be addicted and you will have fun

[modest needle]

Let's goo !!!

[sterile blade]

Reading all tutorial messages and on-screen tips is a good start... But some commands are not listed, so it can be useful to glance through the key binds too, once you're familiar with the basics

[north summit]

Ada is pretty sometimes helpful

[twin helm]

Do you need controll units for anything after space elevator or is it better just to use a temp set up to craft em

[north summit]

You need them for one more project part I think

And drones

[twin helm]

Gaw damn ima need a full factory for them, and the modular engines took me like 5 hours to build

[north summit]

I’m reoptimizing my factory as we speak

Ran away from my old factory and rebuilding new

[twin helm]

I actually feel so burned out as i just finished the modular engines one

[north summit]

Modular engines I think are the hardest one

In terms of burn out

[white dawn]

Can take some time off to go exploring. :)

[north summit]

Hard drives make life easier

[alpine anchor]

is it worth to make lots of encased beams? or do i just make the parts required for space elevator 2

[north summit]

Encased beams good for Mk4 conveyors

[twin helm]

Encased beams are defo a must

[north summit]

Which means higher production

[alpine anchor]

I only produce 180 iron pipes rn but i have a lot in storage, so just use all 180 to make beams then?

[quick barn]

I'd focus on continuously automating the production, not stockpiling

That + Alien tech = good times.

[remote pasture]

Can i get some help?

Check in #screenshots

[round crown]

Either use fluid freights,do it with a pipeline, or package all the water into a train(which carrys more water that way i think) then have an area that unpackages it for use

[alpine anchor]

if you have to transport the water up there just make a giant pipeline belt ( in my opinion ) trains can have better throughput but the rates are inconsistent unless you package and unpackage it

[remote pasture]

@round crown @alpine anchor the building on the mountin is filled with fluid storage containers or whatever they called (the big ones)

[keen light]

only took 23 hard drives, but I finally got the recipe I wanted

[round crown]

From what ive been told differs are a bad idea. I would just package and unpackage it

[alpine anchor]

what do you need to transport the water for?

[reef basin]

if you want help, don't put it in a channel where we can't write 🙂

there's #1038092680493801533 which has "help" in the name 😉

[remote pasture]

Atm its in storage, untill i get coal station up (iam playing creative) ik nothing cost anything there but i still build it for the looks.

[round crown]

Im genuinely curious, why are ya playing creative

[alpine anchor]

if your making a coal powerplant It is much easier to transport the coal to the water ( via train or whatever ) and make the powerplant there

anything regarded to fluids in this game is a pain and the less you have to move it the better

[remote pasture]

I just wanna build a big creative base i seen on youtube vids.

[round crown]

If you package all the fluids its a non issue

[remote pasture]

That could work.

[alpine anchor]

yeah but then you have to add in the infrastructure to package and unpackage

[round crown]

Worth it imo

[reef basin]

not worth it at all

[round crown]

I mean its that or a giant pipeline

[remote pasture]

Its gonna be a big coal power station. Theres 14 water extractors. That might be overkill

[alpine anchor]

in the future @remote pasture you should def try to do a "survival" play through. for me early game is a pain in the ass so I used the cheats for tickets to unlock all the buildable but everyone plays a little different

can you use mods on consle?

[glad quest]

stored up 7.2kl of fuel

[remote pasture]

Idk only had the game for about 2 weeks now

So still a noob

[primal obsidian]

i dont think so

but i might be wrong

[remote pasture]

So far i got 3 things set up, copper ingot storage and iron ingot storage and water storage.

[reef basin]

or build near water

[reef basin]

that's not much, that's like almost empty buffer

[grim ermine]

I got 4ml of fuel stored

[honest sleet]

starting a giant train line from home base to the desert for copper powder production

about a quarter of the way through

[remote pasture]

My water station has 14 water extracktors. Isent that overkill?

[reef basin]

no

[grim ermine]

No

[honest sleet]

yes

[glad quest]

why lol

[remote pasture]

Idk why that many. I mean its gonna be a giant build all over map once iam done, so i belive i need alot of water

Check #screenshots to see my water station

[reef basin]

build what you need now, not what you may need in the future

[remote pasture]

Did u see the water station?

[glad quest]

yeah

im using more for my coal lmfao

[grim ermine]

I have like 100+ water extractors

[round crown]

Thats not even close to overkill

[glad quest]

why do u need that much

[honest sleet]

was there a conveyor update

[grim ermine]

To make coal into power

[honest sleet]

bcus it looks like it from Screenshots

[glad quest]

yh made them less laggy

[remote pasture]

Iam only using 5% of the water lake atm, will build more extraktors and connect them to building

When needed.

[honest sleet]

ah cool

[remote pasture]

I do wanna build a giant wherehouse at base where i store everything before use.

[reef basin]

yes, and nothing changed in what I'm saying - build near water, don't move water

[unkempt blade]

the best of both worlds is building near water source A but not using it and instead moving water from water source B

[remote pasture]

Then iam making multible water stations around the map. And that specific water station can be for coal power station.

[reef basin]

also my point was to not make a "water station" just because. First decide how you're gonna use the water and how much you need, then build the extractors for it

[frank patio]

hii.. for the ficsmas event. can we use the advance settings like no cost and no power for the build?

[unkempt blade]

AGS should be fine you just won't get achievements as is usual when using them

[remote pasture]

Right now my water station has 14 extractors and 5 big fluid storage containers (idk their proper name)

[frank patio]

i was doing it in my main save but my build is terrible because i lack lots of building material for my idea

[reef basin]

why do you have those?

no point in storing water

[fathom oriole]

Anyone have an issue where building and BP placement costs are wrong? I have a BP that uses 600 steel beams, but when placing it says 32. I've had this happen for non blueprint buildings also

[reef basin]

is it possible the blueprint was made in a different game version, e.g. modded or with different recipes?

[fathom oriole]

Nope. The server was wiped yesterday

Modded yes. But the same mods we had last time and I didnt have this issue

[wicked willow]

Fluid buffer ?
Yeah it's called fluid buffer. I just checked.

[cunning lily]

Man... alternate recipes really mess up my plans. It's wild how much they can change the game.

Like, I could make a whole factory using just iron. And petcoke finally has more uses. And refineries are used for everything. So wild.

What are some of your alt favorite recipes?

[reef basin]

yeah, alt recipes can change anything, especially different combinations of them. I personally don't have any favorite one, but least favorite would probably be cast screws, though all recipes have their uses, just may not have a use for you specifically

[cunning lily]

Oh man. Any way I can skip screws is a good thing.

[reef basin]

hard disagree

[cunning lily]

Oh? Tell me more. I'm not as experienced, for sure.

[reef basin]

there's no reason to "skip screws"

like sure, there are recipes that can skip them, and if you use the recipe for some reason, that's fine. But I wouldn't aim for "skipping screws" just beacuse I want to skip screws

[zealous urchin]

i dont play favourites, i love them equaly
(neglects screws except one time of the year, gives most allowance to turbo blend secretly, praises heavy encased frame just bcs he is likeable by others personaly idgaf)

[cunning lily]

Hmmm. I was forming my identity around that. Open to changing my mind. How do you make your choices for recipes then? It's a little overwhelming, the number of options.

[reef basin]

basically just "whatever feels good in given situation"

I make the decision for every factory separately, based on resources I want to spend on it, resources I have in places where I could build the factory, etc.

[gentle lion]

So just slap a radio Tower down every 1km?

[gentle lion]

I needed to make a computer factory and.kist happenes to get two alts that made it very easy

[cunning lily]

That level of openendedness... guess I'll get used to it in time as I get more experience. Time to turf my screw hate. 🙏

[gentle lion]

I love screws lol

I got the cast screws alt recipe lol

[tall lantern]

Cast Screw is great for times when you'd otherwise use the default recipe, since in that case it's just 100% upside

so it's good early, or when you don't want to pull in other resources

[green fiber]

And if you really want screws to be as complicated as possible, you do aluminum rods or aluminum beams to default screw or steel screw

[zealous urchin]

im glad some1 gets it

the most "enjoyable amd fun" option

[green fiber]

Bonus points if you first somehow convert iron to bauxite with alchemy magic

[zealous urchin]

okay we dont need to be that edgy 🗿

[green fiber]

Yes

Then you can claim you really did make these screws from iron

[tall lantern]

not roundabout enough
sink the ones you make and buy fresh from the Shop

[green fiber]

Just buy the screws directly

Or finish the game, buy a hard drive, hope you get screwless alts and only then do you ditch screws

[zealous urchin]

satisfactory mod where eveything needs screws

[tall lantern]

isn't that just Satisfactory+

[mellow mason]

can u rename swatches?

[zealous urchin]

ah Sati + exists

maybe its time to beat it

[hard stump]

Ok kinda excited got the recipe I needed last night.
Ok if I read correctly the other day you can have 2 trains go into 1 train station but pick up different resources.
Have 8 responses total would like each train to pick up just 4. Can someone send a vid to explain how to set that up.
Alternatively. I can do 2 stations if needed not a big deal at all. But hope I can put the trains in the same track and program each train on what station to go to

[charred thistle]

morning pioneers

[leaden turret]

🌃

[round crown]

why don't you like cast screws

there better then steel imo

[charred thistle]

so is coal power really worth it or should i wait for something better?

[tall lantern]

it's the first automated power you get

[primal obsidian]

time to start the floor for iron

coal pwoer is definetly worth it

[white dawn]

Coal power is 100% worth it, as are all the other power tiers (though in Phase 4 you've technically got various choices of what you want to focus on)

[charred thistle]

so should i wait till phase 4?

[tall lantern]

that's the opposite of what was said...

[primal obsidian]

no make coal power best early game source

[round crown]

its worth it till you get to fuel

[primal obsidian]

way better then biomass

[tall lantern]

also good luck getting to phase 4 on biomass lol

[charred thistle]

alright guess I'm building coal

[white dawn]

Heh, I just meant that in Phase 4, you've got more than one option capable of supplying your power needs for that phase. :)

[primal obsidian]

phase 4 on biomass sounds like hell

[charred thistle]

my biomass setup is over 1.7kw

[primal obsidian]

yeah bud a machine you need in phase 4 consumes that much when overclocked

[charred thistle]

1.2*

[tall lantern]

at least one order of magnitude out

[white dawn]

And yeah, if you really want to keep having to manually supply material to your bio burners, there's nothing stopping you from skipping coal power

But most folks are very happy to have fully-automatable power available

[round crown]

also dumb question is there a quicker way to heal

[charred thistle]

so all I need is multiple coal mines and plenty of water?

[primal obsidian]

food

or research mycelia in the MAM itll give you something really good for healing

[tall lantern]

munch on those nuts

[white dawn]

There are various places on the map where there's 3-4 coal nodes right next to largeish bodies of water; those sites are basically hand-built for coal-power generation sites. Well worth seeking those out, IMO!

[charred thistle]

I'll look

[reef basin]

no they are not. Steel-based screws save tons of resources or machies

[charred thistle]

we only have 1 coal site marked

[primal obsidian]

time to start the iron floor of my neural quantum something factory

[primal obsidian]

exlporation time

[charred thistle]

it's 1.5km from the water

[round crown]

really? i prefer cast

i always felt like steel was worse

[reef basin]

there's no "better" or "worse" really. But resource-wise steel rods + base screw are great, and machine-wise steel screws are great

[primal obsidian]

server glitch caused me to have 12 machines connected to one pole

[round crown]

i need to make steel beams AND THEN the screws where as cast is just make metal and feed

its also more convenient

[reef basin]

with steel rod: 15 steel ingots -> 240 screws
with steel screws: 18.5 steel ingots -> 240 screws
with base screws: 60 iron ingots -> 240 screws

[round crown]

cast is 25 ingots for 250 screws

wait

nvm

i looked at per min

im so happy for keep inventory on death

[reef basin]

cast is same as base screws

[nocturne warren]

if mam says on a harddrive "unable to rescan no rewards avaialble" is it because my hard drive library is full or because i have all recipes unlocked / in it

[round crown]

i can just respawn after i get my hard drive

[round crown]

but base screws need rods

[reef basin]

but it's same in terms of ingot per screw

[round crown]

oh it is?

[reef basin]

yes

[charred thistle]

is there any way i can remove the "Complete Phase 2" from my screen

[round crown]

gotcha

[primal obsidian]

no i dont think so

[round crown]

yes.....by completing phase 2

[reef basin]

by completing phase 2

[charred thistle]

how about milestones

-w-

[true mulch]

yes, there is a setting to "hide game phase"

[round crown]

just don't activate one

[true mulch]

excellent unhelpful answer...

[sullen gull]

Yes, you have all found all currently avaliable alts for your current milestone

[round crown]

....thats a thing?

[true mulch]

yes

you can hide the milestone as well

[charred thistle]

yeah that worked

[round crown]

i didn't even know that

[primal obsidian]

wait nvm there is a way i checked just now

[reef basin]

hence why it was strikethrough

[charred thistle]

someone else playing with me selected it qwq

[charred thistle]

if it helps I thought it was funny

[reef basin]

it was supposed to be a joke yeah

[round crown]

i did the same joke without the strikethrough

[primal obsidian]

funny idea go into someones settings in satisfactory and change the hologram color to be red

[round crown]

twin telapthy

[obtuse pine]

is using the nocreatures mod considered vanilla?

[round crown]

its a mod

so no?

i would assume no

given its a mod

[fluid sapphire]

turn them to passive, leave them alone, same effect

perfectly vanilla alternative

[round crown]

thats ALSO a thing?

[fluid sapphire]

yeah, gameplay settings: creature hostility

i have had them on passive for like 800 hours

combat gets old quick

[round crown]

i really need to look at settings sometime

[vestal canyon]

hi is it bad if I have two full belts (of my best belts) going into a train station. I think i made a small (big) mistake

[round crown]

i just learned of 2

[round crown]

i FINALLY built my dang rifle

[round crown]

how's that bad

[primal obsidian]

passive creatures and keep all items are great settings for me since i like building not the combat part of this game

[nocturne warren]

alright thank you

[white dawn]

A single train station is incapable of supporting full 2x-Your-Max-Belt-Speed throughput, since the station doesn't take in material (or push out material) for 27sec ish while trains are docking

[charred thistle]

will 3 stacks of each material be good enough to make a coal system

[vestal canyon]

yup that;s what i realized dammit

[primal obsidian]

depends on how much coal and water you have

[charred thistle]

rn current max consumption is 406MW

[white dawn]

You generally want to have an ISC buffer in any case, to bypass that idle time somewhat, but you'll never get the full 2x-max-belt-speed throughput from a single car

[round crown]

this is NOT a game for combat. you just look at thing and shoot. but keep all items is SO NICE

[reef basin]

"is using a mod considered vanilla" is a question I didn't thought I'd hear

[white dawn]

Can always just add another car, of course. :)

[vestal canyon]

no space anymore 🙁 . It's a really big project. Guess if I want my 90GW imma need to rush mk5

[fluid sapphire]

i keep toolbelt only, there should still be consequence for workplace accidents

[vestal canyon]

Ill learn though. Thanks for the answer

[obtuse pine]

i think the main thing is the spiders. i’m just deathly afraid of them. i know that when i turn in arachnophobia mode they turn to cats. but i know they are spiders so i don’t even go near them. the only way to use no mods and get rid of them is using AGS, which disables getting achievements

[reef basin]

there's always space, you have verticality and gigantic map

[fluid sapphire]

just make them cats, make them passive, and just forget about them, ezpz

[vestal canyon]

my train stations are already perfectly fit into a giant tower

could maybe make a temporary fix until mark5 though

[obtuse pine]

ok. i probably won’t be really encountering spiders til i have the jet pack (i think) unless i need S.A.M or some other lore item. so ill just use the jet pack when i have to encounter them

[round crown]

i like being able to respawn when im too far beats walking

[fluid sapphire]

distances start feeling smaller as you progresss

[primal obsidian]

ok buddy explain why i hit that ONE ENEMY like SEVENTY times and it didnt die and i ended up rage quitting the game for like a month in the super super early game

and it was spawn camping my death crate

[round crown]

my second project is acrosse the map

i have a hypertube cannon now

[fluid sapphire]

even distances that are halfway across the map

[round crown]

but before i just respawned

[charred thistle]

so one water extractor can support 2 coal generators?

[fluid sapphire]

3 extractors for 8 gens

[round crown]

point is the combat isn't intuitive its jus jump and click

[reef basin]

open coal gen and water extractor and look at the numbers 😉

[fluid sapphire]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[primal obsidian]

yeah

[reef basin]

(or get spoon-fed answer 🙁 )

[charred thistle]

i don't know what numbers I'm supposed to look for qwq

I'm a computer and plane nerd not a infrastructure and design nerd

[white dawn]

If you open the extractor control panel, it'll tell you the rate of water extraction. If you open a coal generator control panel, it'll tell you what rate of water consumption it requires

[charred thistle]

ah

so 1->3 and i gotta worry about coal-

[white dawn]

(For "fuel" consumption rates, there's a little gascan icon next to the fuel input buffer -- that'll show you the fuel consumption rates for all fuel types the generator supports)

I believe the codex entry for the generators also gives you those numbers

(On PC, hit o for the Codex itself, or n for a search bar (which is also a calculator!))

I always feel awkward using the word "fuel" when talking about that, since Fuel is a specific resource in the game. Damn languages...

[charred thistle]

so for head lift if my foundation is like right above the water it'll be aight?

[fluid sapphire]

probably, you can always build pumps if necessary

[charred thistle]

i did

so

i found a better water source

and more coal except its under a rock

[fluid sapphire]

cant deal with that until later, what you need is in the sulfur research in the mam

[charred thistle]

so my other option is routing coal over 1km

[fluid sapphire]

where is this

[charred thistle]

in a forest-

logistics are gonna suck

[fluid sapphire]

find a different spot then

[wicked willow]

Or you could find the special gift. That also works.

[charred thistle]

;w;

[tall lantern]

running a one-off belt's not that big an issue

[primal obsidian]

time to go to my oil station and add another platform not enough oil throughput yay

[fluid sapphire]

what forest is that anyway, not very specific

[charred thistle]

i dunno-

[primal obsidian]

should i package it and unpackage it and send the canisters back

for transporting oil

[fluid sapphire]

why are you transporting oil

[primal obsidian]

or stick with fluid platform

so i can make stuff

in one place

[fluid sapphire]

what starting location did you pick?

[charred thistle]

the first one i forgot the name

[primal obsidian]

is it better to add another platform or package and unpackage it and send the canisters back via train

[charred thistle]

I FORGOT THE POWER LINES

[fluid sapphire]

grass fields then, check this spot out
#screenshots message

[fluid sapphire]

i dont think neither is better necessarily

[charred thistle]

that' where I am :D

i turned around and found more coal

[primal obsidian]

okok im gonna add another freight car

[fluid sapphire]

thats not 1km to water, i dont think

[primal obsidian]

the oil just barely runs out before the next shipment

[charred thistle]

Yeah ik I was at a waterfall before

[fluid sapphire]

another car should have you covered then

i find with trains if you just overshoot the supply by a lot, you never need to worry

almost all my trains have 8 cars

they dont need 8 cars, but i can rest easy knowing they have ample time for their trips

[plain gate]

2 loco? 💀

[fluid sapphire]

yes

[primal obsidian]

thats what i did with nuclear since if that fails everything else fails i had like 3 cars for each of the resources i needed alot of

[plain gate]

thats some looooong train blocks

[primal obsidian]

and each one had its own station

and train

[fluid sapphire]

totally normal train setup

#screenshots message

most of those do 600 per minute, one does 1800, a couple do 1200

[plain gate]

thats........

i have no words 😔

[fluid sapphire]

its literally like 1km long

the building

[onyx drum]

If I was to ask for advice about hard drive research...where would I go?

[fluid sapphire]

advice as in what to pick? screenshots is fine probably

or you can just ask here

[hard ivy]

you can't reply in screenshots

[onyx drum]

Bolted Iron Plate vs Bolted Frame

[hard ivy]

that's a "leave in the library to rot forever" drive for me

[fluid sapphire]

some of us dont like screws, i wouldnt pick either of those

[onyx drum]

I already have another alt for casting iron plates? or something. Ones that use copper wire in the place of screws.

[charred thistle]

so how many coal gens can 1 vein of coal run on

[onyx drum]

I can re-scan it

[fluid sapphire]

if you leave them, there will be no danger of them popping up again

[hard ivy]

that's a good one if you get iron wire

[onyx drum]

But there is also a chance of me getting something better

[tall lantern]

how much coal does one gen need, vs how much coal does that node provide

[fluid sapphire]

wicked chain for making motors from iron only

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=HU0xHErujUU2CQPgBAfI

[fluid sapphire]

sure, but sooner or later you will see these recipes again

[charred thistle]

i dunno how much coal the gens need

[onyx drum]

Alright well I shal be back in about 2 minutes when the other one is done

[primal obsidian]

if i add another station do i need another bufer

[fluid sapphire]

coal generators consume 15 coal/min at 100% speed

looks like the paneling doesnt tell you the consumption rate until you actually feed it stuff

[onyx drum]

Cheap Silica vs Fused Wire

[fluid sapphire]

i would just keep those around until you need them

[charred thistle]

yeah :C

[hard ivy]

I would only want the silica but probably don't take either until you want to use them

[charred thistle]

so 1 coal line can run 2 or 3 plants

[onyx drum]

Alright

[fluid sapphire]

yeah fused wire is kinda whatever, fused quickwire is pretty good

[wicked willow]

It it a pure, normal or impure one ?

[hard ivy]

it does, if you hover over the fuel icon

[fluid sapphire]

oh yeah, it does

not very intuitive though

[tall lantern]

depends on the amount of coal the miner provides (which depends on the node purity, the miner tier, and any over/underclocking)

though for an initial setup those latter two are probably not gonna matter

(and also belt speed, of course)

[wicked willow]

Pure (Assuming you have Mk1 drills) it is 8 coal gen .
Normal it is 4 coal gen.
Impure it is 2 coal gen.
(But you can overclock it)

[fluid sapphire]

just build in blocks of 8 and forget the math exists

[twin helm]

Just hit phase 4...wow, just gonna farm hard drives for a while before i dive into all that

[fluid sapphire]

welcome to the longest part of the game

[glad quest]

yeah

why does phase 4 take soo long like even phase 5 is quicker

[twin helm]

I hand crafted the final part for space elevator, so dont even have a heavy frame or computer factory set up....😂short cuts really dont work in this game

Making a b-line to that hoverpack tho

[fluid sapphire]

they do work, you can handcraft all the parts even in phase 4

[glad quest]

guys im halfway through my reserves of fuel .....

[charred thistle]

so coal is easier than i thought

[twin helm]

Coal is very easy

[stable hare]

how do you unlock glass floors?