satisfactory

[primal obsidian]

yeah probably

[lime kraken]

Is there a way to Kill the poisening blue leafed plants?

[strong fiber]

i can finally get on and finish phase 1 and go into phase 2

[marble gulch]

Explosives

[lime kraken]

thanks

[strong fiber]

nuke them things out of existence

[leaden turret]

🌷

[lime kraken]

Done

[whole drum]

Explosive Rebar is my preferred way. Cheaper and faster than nobs

Basically point and click with little trajectory estimation needed

[fringe vapor]

How do I know if lift and merger connected if they stick from each other?

[whole drum]

Test it

[fringe vapor]

oh no

With blueprint tool it's so annoying

[strong fiber]

ah i forgot im waiting for the stupid phase 2 parts to make bruh

[fringe vapor]

Is there a mod that highlight components connected to component I'm aming at?

[vivid belfry]

is there a radiation bug in the game? whenever I hold something radioactive for a while, even if I drop it or trash it the radiation effect doesn't go off..

[whole drum]

Yes. Reload the game.

[vivid belfry]

respawning works fine as well

[grizzled lotus]

when building stairs to connect walls sometimes the stairs are half a meter longer. is there a way to deal with that without adjusting the height of the floors?

[charred thistle]

I'm doing different ore lines for each individual component sure it's a complete mess but at least it's faster than splitting and merging

[fallow sapphire]

Hello, I'm from Ukraine and my English is poor, so I apologize for the poorly written text. I'm 16 and looking for people who wouldn't mind helping me.

[white dawn]

Feel free to ask questions here, or in #1038092680493801533 if you need to attach pictures and such

[whole drum]

Basic questions can be asked here, but if you need help with something specific to your save, try #1038092680493801533

[reef basin]

if you have specific question, ask in #1038092680493801533 , if you're looking for people to play with, use #1201555265942724758

[white dawn]

If you're looking for someone to play in-game with you or voice chat, #1201555265942724758 is the best choice

hah

Greek chorus time!

[whole drum]

Hazaah

[fallow sapphire]

I'm having big problems with the aluminum plant. I don't understand how many foundries are needed for the plant to function properly.

[hard ivy]

here, a calculator that'll help
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[fallow sapphire]

Thank you very much, I didn't know about it

[last wasp]

units use energy while idle?

[hard ivy]

0.1 MW

[strong fiber]

Im going into phase 2 les gooo

[gentle lion]

Dn been working on my heavy modular frame factory for like 8 hours. Still looks like crap

[strong fiber]

i get JETPACK AND TRAINS

[gentle lion]

If I would just go grab the materials I could have trains lol

[hard ivy]

those are in phase 3

[open swallow]

bug: object scanner while using the hoverpack shakes around as if you're walking

looks like the pioneer is just awkwardly bobbing the device around

[strong fiber]

I just unlocked tiers 5 and 6 wym

[hard ivy]

those are in phase 3

[open swallow]

shit, can't reproduce it... it only happens sometimes

[strong fiber]

im in phase 3

[hard ivy]

if you completed phase 2, you're in phase 3, not 2

[gentle lion]

Stop drinking so much 😉

[strong fiber]

I cant even do anything until i automate stators and motors 🙁

i need to produce adaptive control units and modular engines

[fluid sapphire]

you dont need a standalone line for stators

[hard ivy]

like 50h from now. don't worry about it yet

[strong fiber]

Will 10 motors/min be enough to sustain me to make a oil plant

[hard ivy]

depends whether you're gonna do refinery spam or not

[strong fiber]

Manufactors look scary

[strong fiber]

imma do 10 refineries to start to make 400 fuel/min

For 600 crude/min

Im gonna construct it in the oil fields

[strong fiber]

why

[hard ivy]

they aren't used for any building

[strong fiber]

wait u are correct

[lost current]

My lizarddogos keep disappearing

[strong fiber]

So just motors???

I didn’t realize they weren’t used for buildings

[lost current]

Even when I watch them I can’t even get them to base anymore does anyone know why

[strong fiber]

They dislike u

[gentle lion]

Omg I had the alternate for encased beams....🤦‍♂️ This setup could havebeen way easier

[lost current]

They might dislike my friend who has killed 200 of them even tho I tell him to stop

[strong fiber]

maybe thats why they run away

[lost current]

Maybe but do you really think the devs would code that if so they are very enthusiastic devs

[strong fiber]

They probably just despawn

but idk about how any of that works

[lost current]

Yeah idk

Oh well

[hard ivy]

are you keeping them in a cage?

[lost current]

Yep

Or at least the first one

[hard ivy]

is it made entirely of foundations (excluding the ceiling)?

[lost current]

Now we can’t get them to the cage

[lost current]

No just a box of walls

[hard ivy]

i've heard reports that even the walls need to be made out of foundations, not walls walls

[lost current]

Oh ok well next time I get one to the base I’ll swap it all out for foundations (if I can get them to base)

[fluid sapphire]

you do still need rotors

[wind umbra]

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[lost current]

Questions and help

[wind umbra]

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[wicked nacelle]

If it’s a quick question you can ask here

[wind umbra]

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[grizzled lotus]

I have a bit of an odd problem. For some reason when I dismantled a lot of stuff in my base my dismantle crate was sent somewhere very very far off

huh, it's at 0,0 somehow. is this a bug?

[strong fiber]

Right now i only got solid biofuel to power my jetpack 🙁

[hard ivy]

get liquid biofuel ASAP

[wind umbra]

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[strong fiber]

But dont i gotta package it

[wind umbra]

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[hard ivy]

you do

[strong fiber]

Thats what i thought

[hard ivy]

but still get it asap

[strong fiber]

I need to get 200 plastic first

[wind umbra]

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[strong fiber]

And that will come when i build my fuel plant im gonna turn 300 polymer resin into rubber and plastic trust

[hard ivy]

best jetpack fuel until tier 8 imo. maybe even the best in some cases all the way to the end

[crisp mortar]

Why use the polymer? Just use the fuel recipe that has the plastic byproduct?

[wind umbra]

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[strong fiber]

I also got mk 4 belts because i had some rubber from hard drive sites

[reef basin]

why not use the polymer?

[crisp mortar]

Tell me about it, I asked one simple question about fluid dynamics and the one person that answered in the most convoluted way that didnt answer my question

[wind umbra]

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[strong fiber]

Im gonna make 400 fuel/min which will make 300 polymer resin/min

[exotic swift]

so, i just got my hands on coal power (i am like 3 days into my save, and the entire game at that) can someone walk me through on how to make a good one? and possibly review the one i currently have? (its not very good 😭)

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[strong fiber]

Is there a way to fully automate liquid biofuel

[reef basin]

no

[hard ivy]

no, just handfeed it some protein once and you'll probably have enough until the end of the game. especially if you sloop it

[exotic swift]

dang, okay 😭

[wind umbra]

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[strong fiber]

Aight

[strong fiber]

How much protiens

[reef basin]

depends how much liquid biofuel you want

[hard ivy]

I put in a stack. Probably used less than 20 until now

[wind umbra]

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[strong fiber]

What do i use the heavy oil for

[whole drum]

Large dates

[crisp mortar]

To me least liquids have been very confusing to work with

[strong fiber]

Cuz it says its a byproduct of plastic and rubber production

[reef basin]

except some people stay on liquid biofuel, some replace it immediately, some use it in combination with different fuels

and everybody flies for a different amount of time

[hard ivy]

Coke or more fuel. Or use alts so it's a desired product instead of a byproduct

[reef basin]

what is the specific issue/question you have?

[crisp mortar]

Residual fuel which you them use to power oil generators

[wind umbra]

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[whole drum]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/File:Pipeline_Manual.pdf
The first 5 or 6 pages solve 90% of issues

[wind umbra]

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[crisp mortar]

Check screenshot tab

[wind umbra]

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[reef basin]

uhh, rather put it in #1038092680493801533 . #screenshots isn't really for asking questions

[wind umbra]

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[reef basin]

longest burn time/flight time

[crisp mortar]

Sorry meant that tab, already posted it on there

[wind umbra]

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[strong fiber]

imma just make more fuel with the heavy oil residue

[reef basin]

ionized is very late in the game, and some people don't bother with it at all

burn time = how long will one unit of fuel last if you hold spacebar

[whole drum]

I honestly skip biofuel just because I don't like that I can't automate it. Regular fuel isn't amazing, but it's good enough until you get better fuels.

[crisp mortar]

Oil generators are your next step to your power grid, one generator makes 250mw of power

[reef basin]

which is completely fine, you're given several options and it's your choice which one you'll use 😉

[strong fiber]

wait if i use recycled rubber and plastic it doesn’t make any heavy oil residue

[wind umbra]

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[reef basin]

it's written directly under the table

[wind umbra]

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[crisp mortar]

Its a hassle to make but dam is biofuel great for verticality

[wind umbra]

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[reef basin]

because many people don't bother making a whole production line for shards

[whole drum]

So are ladders 😄

[reef basin]

hoverpack is practically always better for building 😉

[wind umbra]

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[reef basin]

they are not "needed", as both ionized fuel and APMs are skippable

[exotic swift]

how do i get through the uhm "gassy" places without like, dying

[whole drum]

Gas masks or explosives

Can also just spam healing items as you run through

[exotic swift]

how do i get thoseee??

[whole drum]

In the MAM

[crisp mortar]

Should be in the sulfur tree i think

[exotic swift]

i was just bouta ask, thanks!!

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[exotic swift]

speaking offff, is there a way to add your friends to an existing save file?

[crisp mortar]

Explosives>sulfur, gas mask> Mycellia

[wind umbra]

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[crisp mortar]

Isn't it just join game?

[wind umbra]

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[crisp mortar]

Got it, dont have friends that play this so I only play solo

[wind umbra]

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[wicked nacelle]

You just load the save file with multiplayer turned on

[wind umbra]

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[crisp mortar]

Not sure what that has to do with the fact that I said I don't have friends that play this

[last tartan]

the factory must grow

[wind umbra]

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[crisp mortar]

If I had said I do have friends that play this but not with me then that statement would have made sense

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[crisp mortar]

Thats what I'm trying to do rn is optimize my turbo fuel

I'm seriously about chuck my controller against the wall the stick drift is pissing me off

[sharp basin]

I HOPE KCD2 will be GOTY, but I got a strong feeling it’s gonna be Exp 33

[wind umbra]

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[wicked nacelle]

don't worry there are so many people that give awards that every game wins everything

[wind umbra]

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[sharp basin]

Yeah I know bro, but to me KCD2 deserves so much

[wind umbra]

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[ivory condor]

Well I don't consider comparing a team of around 30 developers to a studio of around 250 people, to be fair😛

[crisp mortar]

For generators, turbo uses less than regular fuel

[wind umbra]

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[ivory condor]

When you think about it Exp 33 was made by a aa studio, developing what is easily a aaa title, with a fraction of the budget and team size of a aaa studio, really goes to show how much bloat so to speak is in aaa studios

[solemn pulsar]

i kinda wish the refinery had a few more moving parts

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[crisp mortar]

I've heard some players stay at rocket than make nuclear as its kinda optional

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[ivory condor]

It's funny to see Exp competing easily with these other aaa studio's and easily be considered a top contender, why imo Exp 33 deserves GOTY, because that studio making that game is nothing short of incredible

[wind umbra]

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[white dawn]

Both Rocket Fuel and Nuclear are endgame power sources; if you've made one you're unlikely to actually need the other

[wind umbra]

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[white dawn]

Rocket Fuel's got an overall simpler production chain, so a lot of folks prefer it. The main downside is just endless fuel gen spam (which can be mitigated somewhat with blueprints + overclocking)

[wind umbra]

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[white dawn]

Nuclear's a bit more complex but IMO a more "rewarding" production line to build. Obviously there's a lot of personal preference involved either way

[wind umbra]

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[white dawn]

Personally I just did both on my 1.0 save. :)

[crisp mortar]

I'm basically at rocket fuel, just need to optimize my turbo fuel pipes before I make the upgrade to rocket

[shy mulch]

Ditto. Honestly neither is required. But they are fun

[wind umbra]

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[solemn pulsar]

what game engine did satisfactory used to run off?

[white dawn]

Yeah, regular Diluted Fuel would be enough to see you through the endgame depending on your build scale (and your diluted fuel scale. :D)

[white dawn]

UE4 -> UE5

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[ivory condor]

Yep

Was on UE5 even before the 1.0 launch

[glad quest]

0.8 it came out

[ivory condor]

yes sir that was the exact update!

[crisp mortar]

I give up...the stick drift is unbearable at this point...looking into my local best buy for the dual sense edge...

[limpid inlet]

what is the point of the hypertube branch?

[golden nexus]

network

[merry granite]

How do you unlock rocket fuel? I dont have it yet and i have nuclear

Oh must be in the sulfur tree

[limpid inlet]

what about the junctions? dont those do the same thing?

[white dawn]

Actually disregard what I said?

I don't trust my memory on it suddenly

[limpid inlet]

It is from the mam

[white dawn]

Oh no, it is, okay

[limpid inlet]

or at least it should be

[white dawn]

Yeah, MAM unlock

I think I was just suddenly hung up on the later Nitric Acid unlock you need to actually make use of the vanilla recipe. :D

[merry granite]

It is mam yeah just looked it up

Well no matter im already building infrastructure for 25gw nuclear

Theres no bloody decent source of uranium near the dunes though

Gotta find it in tim buck too

[white dawn]

The most important thing to have nearby is water, really

[compact flicker]

Timbuktu

[white dawn]

Nearly anywhere you build nuclear you'll have to be carting in some extra resources anyway, but you don't want to have to start piping a ton of water in

[vapid pecan]

Is there a way to place a tilted corner wall upside down? And place a wall on it even if it's angled?

It would make my water tower look a lot better :c

[spiral haven]

Is there a solution for what to do when you have to much fluids and your machines are getting "clogged"?

[golden nexus]

fix the balance of machines its probably wrong

[vestal canyon]

Get one of those that don’t drift. Like the magnetic joystick (halo effect?) or something, idk how expensive they are but can’t be worse than the edge

[spiral haven]

I think it is but Its set up like that because if I have more machines they'll all be getting insufficient resources

Resources as in not liquids

[white dawn]

Were you by any chance asking that in relation to aluminum production? :)

[zinc niche]

I wanna power everything with power shards but low key can't be bothered going through the map trying to find them. I heard you can just make them?

[glad quest]

yh

[spiral haven]

Yeah

[glad quest]

its t9 stuff

[golden nexus]

very late game item

[zinc niche]

Well as long as I don't have to literally scour every corner of the map for tiny slugs is it worth it to just try to rush to t9

[crisp mortar]

Found one, thanks a lot

[white dawn]

Okay, so there's three main ways of dealing with the recycled/waste water:

1. Send the recycled water off to some other process (like Wet Concrete) and use it up that way (make sure to overflow-to-sink to keep things flowing)
2. Combine the recycled+fresh systems, but if you do so, you need to be using a VIP Junction, as described in the pipeline manual: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/Pipeline_Manual.pdf
3. Keep the recycled+fresh water systems totally separate. Use a completely separate set of machines which are fed entirely off the recycled system. You'll probably have to "split up" a refinery and underclock/overclock to get the numbers to work out right

For me, I prefer #3 by far. It does help to pre-flood the "recycled" system with water before turning it on, so that things start up at basically 100% efficiency

But if you're just combining the two (as per #2), you really do need a properly-build VIP Junction in order to stay stable

(A quick warning that it's easy to build those wrong, though once you've got one that works it should be nice and solid)

[round crown]

This is a dumb question but are y'all's logistics floors spaghetti? It feels like the spaghetti is inevitable

[zinc niche]

Not for me, my factories are quite clean but then again I'm only in phase 3

[spiral haven]

I am doing #2 for the water, it seems to be going fine but I'm pretty sure the issue rn is the alumina solution

[white dawn]

A couple of examples of keeping the fresh+recycled separate, btw: #math-and-meta message

[ivory condor]

It can be, depending how well you are with planning and organization

[round crown]

can you send a pic? im quite curious because unless i just sushi everything(which clogs it) belts are just intersecting

[round crown]

see im trying to avoid it,but thats not going very well

[golden nexus]

Umm nope, This is the "starter" every game item until T9 #screenshots message

[strong fiber]

Should i combine the steel rotor recipe with stators to make motors so i only need wire and steel?

Imma make 20 motors/min

[golden nexus]

this typically works well

[ivory condor]

The devs have made it easier with the addition of soft clearance, so much can be clipped together, which seems to contribute to🍝

[crisp mortar]

I think theres a cheaper recipe but I could be wrong

[round crown]

yea i just want to be organized man

[zinc niche]

I think there is beauty to disorder

[golden nexus]

So what it does it builtd items upwards in "collection". So steel -> beam -> pipe -> stator -> rotor -> motor -> hmf. then another building is all computers. one of the towers is rplate, one of the towers is concrete

[golden nexus]

different angle #screenshots message

[zinc niche]

Wait you can build every item in the game up to t9 in that factory?

[golden nexus]

more of less yes, theres a few things done off site like, power, aluminimum ingots

[zinc niche]

Rn I'm thinking if I should just do what you do and rush to t9 so I can start making power shards because I've given up on finding slugs

[round crown]

yea unless i sushi everything, which is not very efficient btw everything will intersect.

[golden nexus]

So its like there is a steel factory, caterium factory, aluminimum factorty, concrete, rplate, plastic+rbber

[zinc niche]

Don't sushi it's awful

[golden nexus]

I do some sushi in that factory. eg if build a -> b you sushi something high value like rotor/motor or something. So there is only one belt coming down the building

[zinc niche]

If I sushi I have to have an awesome sink to get rid of any waste

[compact flicker]

Game just crashes like 15 seconds before it would've autosaved >:

[zinc niche]

That's 4 minutes of progress lost

[ivory condor]

That shouldnt be a problem with priority mergers now

[zinc niche]

Wait why

[round crown]

yea but then i run into issues like this #screenshots message

[ivory condor]

and correctly balanced system even sushi with priority merger shouldnt need a sink, as any excess can be reused

[compact flicker]

I was being rly productive 😭
I'll be alr

[round crown]

thats what ur supposed to do the problem is that it still clogs

[golden nexus]

youknow about lasagna ?

[ivory condor]

because the merger allows you to reuse any excess, i used to use custom priority mergers in previous builds with sushi to manage it, now it can all be done with a single merger that has 100% accuracy, at best the ones i made were only like 99.999% accurate, because you know math

[zinc niche]

You mean clipping?

[golden nexus]

no

[round crown]

does that stop the clogging

[ivory condor]

for me with sushi, priority merger is literally a game changer

[golden nexus]

you run everyone north/south at one level and everything east/west on another level. It gives you a 2 layer way to resolve belt issues

[zinc niche]

But what about early up the factory if there's clogging it'll clog all the way from the merger to the production up the chain?

[ivory condor]

clogging would indicate you didnt design the system correctly to begin with and thats not the fault of sushi😉

[round crown]

i need a visual

[golden nexus]

gimmie a minute

[zinc niche]

Well in engineering we usually put in multiple failsafes, even if design itself was done properly. Like in elevators and roller coasters

[round crown]

elaborate, nothing actually stops,its just supper slow

[golden nexus]

btwe if you just rail it all you hide all the belts in the train schedule 😛

[zinc niche]

Trains seem like a pain

[wicked nacelle]

they're way better than the alternative of not using them

[golden nexus]

#screenshots message

[zinc niche]

What's the alternative?

Because I just have belts running long distances over the map

[round crown]

how do you do that so smoothly

[golden nexus]

2500 hours

[zinc niche]

wtf that took 2500 hours

[wicked nacelle]

he means that much experience building stuff

[round crown]

he means the knowledge

[zinc niche]

Ohh I see

[ivory condor]

Well shouldnt it be obvious, if your having excess and everything running super slow, that would indicate the line itself is getting more saturated than it should be, aka your design has flaws in it, that isnt the fault of sushi, if your for example producing more of one item type than the machines are consuming

[golden nexus]

the actual spagettii lol #screenshots message

[zinc niche]

Because I was like I could've done that in 10 hours so he probably wasted too much time

[golden nexus]

its total play time over all games since like update 4?

[zinc niche]

I mean making the photo

[ivory condor]

I will admit sushi isnt for everyone, it requires more careful consideration and balancing than regular say regular lines, but again this isnt the fault of sushi, it all works correctly and fine, as long as you design the sushi correctly anyways

[golden nexus]

No.. Like this game is 80h or somehting. It also has a 20/min CO, 300/min Stator, A ton of power, a 50/min Smart Plate as well as all items to T9

[zinc niche]

I'm around 80 hours and I'm only in phase 3

[last wasp]

max cons. take into account units that I manually shut down right? the ones that are still connected to the grid

[zinc niche]

No

[golden nexus]

Example #screenshots message

[zinc niche]

You can test this with a separate biofuel and constructor thing

[round crown]

In theory, if everything is overflowing into a sink, then there shouldn't be any clogging no? All the resources should be flowing in smoothly because there(ideally) shouldn't be a point where it doesn't slows down. And I've checked it way too many times. this is what i mean by clogging btw. unless this is working as intended #screenshots message

[ivory condor]

I see clipping belts

[round crown]

it looks slower then it should be

[golden nexus]

where?

[zinc niche]

What is that like like some sort of battery

[ivory condor]

#screenshots message see where the motors and copper ingots intersect

[golden nexus]

Its 40/minute smart plate. So it also makes 40/min rotor 40/min rplate

[round crown]

also i would like to note i DO prefer sushi as it avoids the spaghetti. but it doesn't seem very efficient if ur making stuff in bulk

[golden nexus]

oh that yeah the copper is temp.... its for pasta

[zinc niche]

Oh true

[golden nexus]

it really should not be there

[golden nexus]

i have not figured out how to get particale accelerators into building 😛 #screenshots message

Theres a few top tier items which are not done properly in that build

[zinc niche]

Sushi is also slightly more time consuming when you try to use it for blueprints

[ivory condor]

you should see the spaghetti that is my main base that i did with 1.0 and never cleaned up, im just making fun here, my factory is all clipping spaghetti truth be told

[golden nexus]

yeah its a tought problem... let me show you something lmao

[ivory condor]

and yes anytime i load up my save i have to see my abomination of a factory of clipping insanity that i made

[round crown]

i just can't for the life me figure out the problem

[round crown]

that would actually drive me nuts

[zinc niche]

It's okay my factory is even worse it's just one half built fuel factory that's barely functioning, and hand fed assemblers and manufacturers here and there

[golden nexus]

Would you like some stator? #screenshots message

[cinder jay]

when do you unlock T3 miners

[golden nexus]

T8 or so

[compact flicker]

Phase 4

[cinder jay]

oh ok

[zinc niche]

I don't think you unlock miners at t3

[ivory condor]

Why you think I don't load up my save much anymore

[compact flicker]

-w-

[golden nexus]

mk3 miners is when things start to get out of control see screenshot above lol

[ivory condor]

Because it drives me nuts to

my only reason to load up that save is to clean up my mess

[jade scaffold]

I just want to throw this out ther, anybody not in the Ficsmas spirit is a SamBug

[round crown]

fair. im trying to avoid it but it genuinely feels like sushi is the ONLY way. i just can't see why its being slow. so any help would be appreciated

[zinc niche]

One reason might be because somewhere you used a mk1 belt instead of your standard mk

[round crown]

@ivory condor like is what i sent in screenshots how it should be working? because i can't
out whats causing that

[round crown]

i checked all the belts tho

[zinc niche]

Can you link your ss

[round crown]

#screenshots message

[zinc niche]

Your input is mk5 + another belt but your output is not mk5

[round crown]

the mk3 is intended. i thought the problem was that resources were coming in too quickly so when it got to the merger it clogs

but that doesn't seem to be the case

[zinc niche]

It's not clogging it's just mk5 meeting mk3

[golden nexus]

you have it wrong way around its in = mk3 and out = mk5

[zinc niche]

Look at his screenshot

[round crown]

and switching the mk3 doesn't solve the problem

it still clogs when its there

[zinc niche]

Can you switch it so I can see

[golden nexus]

Yeah, The real problem is your screwed 😛

don't put screws, wire, quickwire, casing or other high volumne items on sushi belts

[zinc niche]

If it's clogging after the merger that means it's post merger production too slow, if it's clogging before the merger then it's your pre merger production too fast

Or Just don't use sushi

[ivory condor]

I'm not sure to be honest

[golden nexus]

One way to deal with high vol is like this #screenshots message

[ivory condor]

In theory it should be fine, but that video still feels off to me for some reason

[zinc niche]

Get him to measure the input and output volumes

[golden nexus]

it has screws on it.. your probably overloading it

[round crown]

#screenshots message ignore the mk3s and that single mk 1. those shouldn't be a problem

[round crown]

yea cuz i need screws for plates

so how do i solve this

[zinc niche]

Just tell us what is the number going through each belt using that measurer

[round crown]

do i need multiple sushis

[golden nexus]

Now you know why I have an rplate "tower"

[round crown]

uhhhhhhhhh

[golden nexus]

So I have a tower which takes iron ingots and makes rplate. #screenshots message

[round crown]

wekk clearly too much cuz every constructer is capped

[zinc niche]

Bro logistics is not a guessing game

[golden nexus]

Cause 1 rplate = 6plates+12screws or so. So by making rplate externall you have 18x less items on the belt for that item 😛

[zinc niche]

Yes if you have to use sushi do this

[ivory condor]

Depends, you should know your item batch rates, how much each line can handle, its your job to figure out how many sushi lines you need, we cant tell you this because we cant see all your numbers

[round crown]

ye ik

[golden nexus]

Yeah but you sushi the rplate, not the plate + screw....

[round crown]

let me ask a better question. is it even efficient to have every resources made on one sushi

[golden nexus]

its imposisble to scale it

[ivory condor]

Sure I could likely tell you more if I had access to the same save and could see everything, but at this point best I can give is general advise

[zinc niche]

How fast is a mk5 belt compared to a mk6

[golden nexus]

780/1200?

[zinc niche]

I dunno cause I'm only in phase3

[zinc niche]

Isn't that save stealing

[golden nexus]

even 1200/min isn't good enought eg 1200/min / 50screws = 24 screw constructors

[round crown]

i mean i don't mind giving you the save. this is an old base anyway im working on a giant mega base. but if every belt on the sushi is mk 5, wouldn't it clog

[ivory condor]

Define efficient, sushi is meant for cases where you want clean belt work, aka the sushi lines are designed to handle all the throughput, so yes its efficient as far design and how clean the belt work can be, assuming it has all been designed correctly anyways

[golden nexus]

The sort of items you sushi are like stator, rotor, computers, super comps etc...

[sharp basin]

Fairness has nothing to do with it (I hope it doesn’t)

[zinc niche]

Why can't you sushi limestone again

[ivory condor]

It's really good for keeping the amount of belts you want down and allowing for more compact types of designs than say other types of belt work but requires as I said more careful consideration to get right, its not for everyone and tldr would be only do sushi if your comfortable with it and know what your doing, because its easy to get sushi belts wrong

[golden nexus]

Theres other ways to do clean belt work #screenshots message

[round crown]

yea think I'm too ambitious. cuz for my main base i kinda want most resources(minus computers is such) to be capped which if i mathed right ONE mk5 line can only supply 26 smelters with iron

[golden nexus]

eg i make quickwire -> take it to ceriling -> insert into the manu above

If you look at hte screenshots i am posting you will see a very common trends, I am making all high vol items and delivering them directly to the place of use.

[ivory condor]

Clog would again as I said indicate you didnt design it correctly to begin with

your blaming clogging on sushi, that isnt sushi's fault but your bad design im afraid

[zinc niche]

I've been working on a new save but I'm stuck in the same place as before, how do you move ore across long distances without trains

[golden nexus]

So i never run into belt speed problems... or the belt speed is limited by ingot's or some other base materials upstream... which can be solved by adding more factory floors of the same and combine their outputs

[sharp basin]

Look at Silksong, how many developpers? Don’t they deserve at least same level of love?

[ivory condor]

dont mean to sound harsh, as i said sushi isnt for everyone and your likely falling into one of the many cases that its easy to get sushi belts wrong with

[zinc niche]

You don't sound harsh at all tho

[golden nexus]

either truck, or just run a belt... as your factory expands over crappy ground belts you then pick them up

[ivory condor]

True, why i said this is going to be tough for GOTY this year, especially between Silksong and Exp 33, that is very tough

[round crown]

ye,its easy to get math wrong in general, and i SUCK at math

[sharp basin]

Yeah totally agree with you bro

[round crown]

ex33 hands down

as much as i LOVE silksong

[ivory condor]

Because both games are oustanding, both games are made by smaller teams with a smaller budget, its going to be very tough to decide on that

[golden nexus]

Long urnning belts can also be susi belts. eg you make rplate + rotor off site and bring them in on a belt and split them

[sharp basin]

But once more: KCD2 deserves more and MORE

[round crown]

i wish i could actually see everything. screenshots are not enough sometimes

[golden nexus]

you want hte save?

[sharp basin]

It was just one of the strongest experiences I ever lived on screen

[round crown]

nah ur good dw,but i will admit i didn't math here(this was simply to get resources going) but it felt like that if you are sushing all your resources and i mean ALL then you would run into clogging at somepoint anyway

[golden nexus]

sent you the save

[zinc niche]

Tbh i don't wanna be judgemental but i think you can basically guess whose going to win just by looking at how much funding it's getting, how can most indie games even stand a chance against the triple A giants

[round crown]

how do i look at it

[golden nexus]

You put in in save game location its like %LOCALAPPDATA%\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames

The T8/T9 stuff is a bit messy, first time with high level sam.....

But the mk6 belts are made with pet coke 🙂 which came from the plastic rubber which was nice

you will probably like the 600/min smelters and yeah as you move away from bases expect spagetti belts to the nodes

[cinder jay]

how do i make a foundation circle

[compact flicker]

4 rounded corner pieces

[cinder jay]

i need a big circle

[compact flicker]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ivory condor]

Honestly if Silksong and Exp 33 didnt exist I would give it to KCD2 hands down, but alas they exist and its tough now to decide this year

[heavy pine]

Huzzah, 1140 ornament bundles per minute. Or at least it should be, the manifolds haven't filled yet.

[ebon galleon]

Anyone on console?

[twilit peak]

What's the best heavy modular frame recipe?

[white dawn]

Can play around with the various recipes for yourself at https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

Though Encased tends to be extremely popular

Though what's "best" will depend on your exact circumstances. :)

[twin helm]

Hey so is it worth keeping dedi factories for lower tier parts, like if i have a factory for rotors going to storage, rather than using them for motors, id build a new rotor production purely for motors, or should i just be using the factories i already have if that makes sense

[white dawn]

"Should" is always a difficult question in this game, since there's tons of ways to play.

[reef basin]

that depends how you define "best"

[primal obsidian]

either belt highway or trucks/vehicles

[white dawn]

Personally what I do is make more rotors right inside the motor factory

[twilit peak]

Easier to make with less ingredients/machines

[golden nexus]

it becomes situational

[white dawn]

And generally follow a build strategy called "Independency": https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[twin helm]

Yeah and keep the rotor production purely to store/sink overflow

[white dawn]

Though, as I say, that's just one way to do it, of course. :)

[heavy pine]

But don't be afraid to go back and improve your rotor production if you find that in the late game you're building so much stuff that you burn through your rotors.

I mentioned earlier that I ran into that with Modular Frames while I've been building my FICSMAS facility.

[twilit peak]

I didn't get it, thanks

[ebon galleon]

Can someone help me with a miter factory

Motor

[white dawn]

(With Independency, you never burn through anything because you're always making fresh from scratch whenever you need 'em. :D The only thing you might feel like beefing up later is if your own personal storage isn't refilling fast enough. :)

[heavy pine]

I'm referring to building so many machines at once that you go through all your storage and have to wait on new production.

[white dawn]

Oh oh, right, gotcha.

So we're arguing the exact same point. Sorry, reading is hard! 🍻

[heavy pine]

I do that a lot with quartz crystals, because for some reason I decided to put 25 square signs on the raised foundation blueprint I use everywhere.

[white dawn]

Hear me out: Competetive debate teams where both sides take the same position

[reef basin]

yeah that's still super subjective and can mean anything 🤷

[heavy pine]

Most alt recipes will have a tradeoff of some sort. Might make the end product faster but you need more raw materials, or you might cut out a step in the chain but it goes slower so you need more machines.

[round crown]

@zinc niche@ivory condor thanks for the help btw

[white dawn]

To be fair, once you've got Encased it's difficult to make a super strong case for the vanilla HMF recipe. :D Though IMO Flexible's still a contender depending on what you're doing oilwise

[ivory condor]

But I didn't actually help

[white dawn]

But "best" is, as ever, in the eye of the beholder. :D (Or in the eye of the specific factory, I guess. :)

[twilit peak]

Of course i can't explain myself well

[ivory condor]

Unless you want me to look at your save and see what might be going wrong

[sour ledge]

man, i decided to turn 600 copper ore and up to 2000 silica into as many circuit boards as possible.... 96 refineries doing pure copper and steamed sheets later im realizing im gonna need 46 assemblers and that i may have overdone things.

[formal minnow]

the other day i left satisfactory running for so long that the number keys stopped responding
and i had to hold esc for it to register

[sour ledge]

at least i'll be able to put out ~680 circuit boards/m.... double that once i get mk3 miners.... but i really dont need that... many... 🤦

[merry granite]

I used to do this but it was too much complexity for little benefit; i now do vertical scalability for each item, i.e. each iron rod production floor does 480 rods, each reinforced iron plate floor does 40 rips, and expand vertically as needed, export out as required

[round crown]

nah you did. i never actually mathed it since it was just to get resources moving. and i assumed overflowing wold solve the clogging issue

[strong fiber]

When can u unlock throughout monitors

Also it just took me 2 hours to get a 20/min motor factory complete Bruh

[reef basin]

that seems normal

[ivory condor]

You did sushi and didnt math, well I guess that explains the clogging issue

[strong fiber]

good

[ivory condor]

Honestly doing sushi and not doing the math is just asking for trouble

[strong fiber]

Its one giant overflow system that’s probably gonna take another hour to balance

[reef basin]

the game isn't really supposed to be played super fast, it's a chill game

[round crown]

yea because i thought overflowing would solve the cloggin issue. and because the total resources per min were less then the belt used

[strong fiber]

is there anything i can make thats better than a overflow system in terms of like balancing

[ocean frost]

on almost every metric Heavy Encased Frame

[reef basin]

depends wdym by better, basically there's three options - manifolds, balancers and direct input

[ocean frost]

over and underclocking

[ivory condor]

wait that does sound interesting because I wouldnt expect clogging to happen off hand in this case

[strong fiber]

I already underclocked the ones that only took like 20 iron ore or smth like that

[strong fiber]

oh yeah a belt balancer

I dont know how to build those

[ocean frost]

can you give an example of what you want to do

[round crown]

yet it still clogged. see i KNEW i was onto something

[dense violet]

they are just as efficient as manifolds ? not sure what 'better' you're after

[ivory condor]

manifolds are so boring, doing balanced sushi now that is more interesting

[strong fiber]

oh kk

imma just stick to manifolds then

Also i finally got oil processing milestone unlocked

[reef basin]

you don't need to

[rancid rock]

When are we getting a Fix-annukah? As a Jew I demand the right to industrialize my holiday too!

[wicked nacelle]

you already control the weather what else do you want 😛. I saw that on the SNL News segment!

[strong fiber]

Since where i wanna build my oil plant is far away should i bring a bunch of resources over in bins first before i start so i dont gotta make 8 trips across the map and back

[distant badge]

The Dimensional Depot beckons thee
If you don't want to set one up for whatever reason, I'd personally load stacks of what you need into a train and just drive it there

[strong fiber]

i dont got a train network setup yet

[distant badge]

Do you plan to import your resources by train? If so, may as well start by laying track.

[wicked nacelle]

player inventory is quite big. Just do the recipe thingy in the game and grab what it tells you you need

[ocean frost]

make a train

[wicked nacelle]

why would you bring IN stuff by train to oil?

[dense violet]

you can make a sloppy rail you just drag along

[strong fiber]

But i did forget about the dimensional depot and now i have manufacturers i can automate sam fluxuators

[ocean frost]

you can use it later to ship plastic back

[distant badge]

Depends on how far you're going with production, tbf

[strong fiber]

I also need to unlock the train milestone the hold up

[wicked nacelle]

I suppose but not at first. just plastic/rubber out and burn fuel on site

[strong fiber]

will i need the railway signals yet or no

[wicked nacelle]

also trains aren't worth using without signals so you're going to need computers

[ocean frost]

Build a hyper cammon

[wicked nacelle]

jinx

[distant badge]

My turn to be forgetful, yes that's a much better idea lol

[strong fiber]

since i only got 1 train for now i will just have no signals

[ocean frost]

a simple push pull train works fine you just need rubber and plastic to come back

[strong fiber]

im waiting for 250 motors so i can unlock the milestone

in not producing 20/min because of the overflow system i made takes a longg time to balance itself

[distant badge]

You can always manually load what parts of the system you need while waiting for it to fill

[wicked nacelle]

right but so do belts.

[reef basin]

you can prefill or just go do something else while it fills up

[ocean frost]

they wanted a way to get heaps of building mats to the site

[strong fiber]

Just did thx

[distant badge]

np

[ocean frost]

you can select an ICS to be dismantled and dismantle it at the oil site there is a trick to to but great is you need losts of resources to be at a place

[zealous valley]

What's the best way to deal with water left over from creating aluminum scrap?

[reef basin]

not having "leftover" water in the first place 🙂

(so e.g. reusing it to the same production)

[bitter shuttle]

now that's a good explanation

[ocean frost]

I just pipe the water back in 3 second rule

[dense violet]

reuse it in the same system

[distant badge]

Recycling is best imo, but alternatively you turn into Wet Concrete (refinery alt recipe)

[primal obsidian]

cube with labels gotta be my favorite type of build

[bitter shuttle]

does anyone have any, like, tips with regards to rail systems?

[reef basin]

wet concrete is like top 2 worst option 😄

[ocean frost]

there are plenty of recipies that use water

[zealous valley]

But I already have water for the alumina solution

[ocean frost]

There are no bad recipes 🙃

[dense violet]

zoop a leading line of foundations the whole way first, blueprint train towers that hold the rail along the way to keep them neat and tidy. Keep stations off to the side of the 2 main rails

[reef basin]

well that can be rebuilt 😉

[reef basin]

I'm not saying the recipe is bad tho

[bitter shuttle]

train towers?

[reef basin]

see e.g. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1397218790122590208/image.png?ex=69382d66&is=6936dbe6&hm=1c46178180bc4f52104ac8fb702b4c25dbfb3253c0608e82cdb9030e30301096&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=685&height=968 for examples on how to deal with excess water

[dense violet]

pylons, things that hold up the rails

[dense violet]

like this. This was from U5 #1442307635033411724 message

[ocean frost]

train spirals look great, i would try the first time and use a blueprint every other time

[bitter shuttle]

OH yeah i use those ! i've just been trying to figure out a rail system to expand from my oil train. ive played a lot of factorio and i'm used to that sort of play

[dense violet]

well the image is a good example of keeping it tidy and zooping the foundations helps plan it out too and avoid problems later on

I do stacked rail now though

[ocean frost]

trains do not have dynamic pathing

[bitter shuttle]

dynamic pathing?

[ocean frost]

train stackers

[bitter shuttle]

yeah no i know that :0

[ocean frost]

i do miss that from factorio

[buoyant veldt]

How wild would it be to create a single nuclear reactor just so I can get plutonium fuel rods for drones?

[reef basin]

generally I'd recommend not using anything from factorio in here. The two games are vastly different and play differently as well. They basically share just "factory builder" genre

[bitter shuttle]

yeah i know that it just is stuck in my brain since ive got 1500 hours in it 😭 hard to rejig the brain

[strong fiber]

How big of a train do i need

[dense violet]

not sure you'd get enough plutonium rods for drones unless you have very few

[reef basin]

depends how much you want to transport

[distant badge]

Depends on how much you're producing / how far you're transporting
(I assume this is a train for export)

[strong fiber]

yeah

[open swallow]

I believe there's a mod for that

[strong fiber]

It dont matter right now cuz i dont have enough plastic for more than the train playform

[reef basin]

tbh we don't really need dynamic pathing in SF imo

[unkempt blade]

you could just go out for football or skateboarding or something and wait for some event to cause memory loss then try satisfactory again afterwards

[bitter shuttle]

TRUEEEEE

[distant badge]

It would be... intresting, I'm sure

[open swallow]

Not that stackers are necessarily a good idea. Many fewer trains here

[dense violet]

yeah you don't want many trains going to one station

just murders throughput of the platforms

[open swallow]

More platforms is the answer

[bitter shuttle]

how do you do stacked rails is my question?

[unkempt blade]

could estimate how many a station can handle with route time and load/unload times

[dense violet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1442307635033411724/1442309559321497630/image.png?ex=6938bd73&is=69376bf3&hm=69a7939349c3c87c03359c26b1147181d35a2de6c1c1548e179a581324de3457&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1680&height=583

[ocean frost]

We don't need tools but either under that logic.

[last tartan]

Do FICSMAS decorations stay when the event is gone? I like the power line lights.

[white dawn]

Yep, everything you place down will stay put forever (or until you dismantle it)

[buoyant veldt]

Don't they last like a brazilian years in a drone though?

[last tartan]

so dismantling removes them?

[white dawn]

You won't be able to place new decorations, gift trees stop producing, and FICSMAS-recipe buildings will stop producing as well

[last tartan]

ohhh okay

[dense violet]

1x plutonium rod pm is like 250 batteries pm
but I don't think you can even make 1/10th of 1x plu rod pm from 1 nuclear gen

[white dawn]

Dismantling FICSMAS stuff works just like dismantling everything else; you'd get the ingredients back. But if you're outside the event you'd have to wait until the next FICSMAS to re-place (or use a mod to re-enable the event early)

[dense violet]

so 25 batteries pm (1/10th) isn't much

[last tartan]

sounds good, thanks!

[unkempt blade]

but don't worry we're only 2 months away from Ficsentine's Day

[dense violet]

if you want LOTS of drones? I'd make a plan for 4 plu rods pm. See how many gens you need for that

[unkempt blade]

And the best way to deliver those rods in a way that doesn't fill up ports super unevenly? Factory carts of course

[dense violet]

ofc

[bitter shuttle]

i have scrapped my rail design

[unkempt blade]

because it was too perfect?

[bitter shuttle]

because it was ugly and i don't think it would work

[unkempt blade]

that's exactly what someone who built a perfect train but is trying to be modest would say

[bitter shuttle]

i mean i posted it #screenshots message

[unkempt blade]

I like it. It just needs more color somewhere to make it pop

[bitter shuttle]

idk it just isn't clean

[dense violet]

It was fine other than having double floor of rail? a bit pointless. You'll never have enough traffic you need 2 roads

[echo belfry]

Satfacry

[bitter shuttle]

i was doing stacked rails!

[dense violet]

ah yeah stacked rails is just 2 rails stacked on top of each other xD not 4

[bitter shuttle]

thats lame

[dense violet]

why? you don't need more than 2 rails. Bottom goes one way, top goes another

it's Like right hand drop except it's Top hand drive

[wicked nacelle]

unfortunately with how train routing goes making extra rail in the same direciton is essentially useless

[bitter shuttle]

i didn't know it was only 2 rails for stacked!!!

[wicked nacelle]

there is a mod that makes trains "smarter" but not sure its actually better vs a well designed 2 rail system

[dense violet]

the benefit is you can squeeze through small spaces and still ahve 2 ways https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1432566231445274767/image.png?ex=69383b05&is=6936e985&hm=6c3bdf77f8af7384e630905f30a2df7d76474145c12265c3ca0d206c342c2e5c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1659&height=626

[wicked nacelle]

I mean you can squeeze through a shorter space with horizontal. obviously you make the rail how you can

[dense violet]

Also I hate how wide rail systems are in general compared to the landscape. They just take up too much of the scenery

[wicked nacelle]

sometimes you actually split the rail different ways for a bit. vertical isn't magic

[bitter shuttle]

i hate the curves for rails, i can never make it look nice

[dense violet]

you can make stacked straight as well. I just like curves 🙂

[open swallow]

my big issue with trains in this game is the sheer size of stations... modular stations mod seems like an essential for my next playthrough

[wicked nacelle]

it's hard to keep them equal spaced, that's true - with stacked it's trivial because there is no horizontal spacing

[dense violet]

yeah I truly hate how big they are

[unkempt blade]

you might be a good candidate for my mostly-right-angle skyroads using the global grid #screenshots message

[wicked nacelle]

I only find them large if I'm trying to retrofit them. and they stack vertically quite well

[open swallow]

"stackers"

[dense violet]

booo sky infrastructure

[unkempt blade]

you're just jealous of my skyfrastructure!

[dense violet]

Definitely not.

[hasty peak]

i always forget how many tiles it takes to make it a smooth 90 degree turn

[formal minnow]

dang i got +6 inv slots as a hard drive random roll even though its literally my first hard drive

[wicked nacelle]

what do you mean "dang"? That's awesome

[dense violet]

3x3 is standard

[formal minnow]

i may or may not be reloading my save to spam the reroll

[dense violet]

You can technically make them a bit smaller but it's awkward and harder to measure

[formal minnow]

cos i refuse to do industrial beams without iron pipes and encased pipes

[dense violet]

eh, iron pipes are... very meh. Chews through iron

[unkempt blade]

might as well just use SCIM at that point

[formal minnow]

its still only one input, way less work than getting more steel especially with my current base location

[unkempt blade]

you could just make a blueprint for steel and not worry about how many inputs it uses

[dense violet]

coal is everywhere and you need a fraction of the resources.

[formal minnow]

i still need coal input

[bitter shuttle]

scim?

[formal minnow]

hold on lemme pull up the interactive map to illustrate the problem

[dense violet]

like, if doing 2 inputs for steel is a big problem for you I don't want to see you poast phase 2

[dense violet]

I know what the problem is - you're not picking a spot with iron and coal - which is extremely common

[unkempt blade]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[bitter shuttle]

OHHHH

[dense violet]

a huge portion of the game planning is picking locations and recipes

[hasty peak]

i still have yet to act on the satisfactory modeler plan i made months ago that took like a few days to make lmao, and also used like 90% of the map resources

[formal minnow]

the nearest one was like 1.2k away and thats both the nearest power plant spot and the nearest steel spot, so theyre fighting for coal already
and the next nearest is abother 2km off

[dense violet]

yes, you need to make many factories in the game. That's ... the game

[formal minnow]

tractoring 2km before getting a train is gonna drive me mad

[dense violet]

I mean your computer will crash and burn before you use all that so ... probably still hold off on that

[unkempt blade]

encased beams is a fast enough conveyor you can probably do both. You don't need too much of either to get to oil

[bitter shuttle]

factories? in my factory game?

[wicked nacelle]

a strong computer will be fine with using the world resources if you're not trying to do 1% building

[formal minnow]

i could just start actually using my mk2 miners and run 240/min iron out of this one pure node in my coal plant

[bitter shuttle]

not hugely fond of the powerlines showing up in my current iterration of my rails

but if i want it lighted it needs power...

check it #screenshots message

[dense violet]

shocking I know

[bitter shuttle]

are you telling me i might be doing ecological damage???

[neon basalt]

I've just unlocked coal power and steel production should I make a whole power station off 2 normal nodes of coal? I've also got 2 more normal coal nodes + a normal iron ore node right next to each other that I can use for steel Ingot production. So I could use 2 +.5 +.5 coal nodes since I can split a coal node with iron node

[unkempt blade]

If you unlocked signs you might try those set to max brightness and see if they work for what you want. It's not quite the same effect but they don't need power so maybe worth a shot

[formal minnow]

the thing with the iron pipe -> industrial pipe setup is that it takes less limestone and no coal while doubling iron cost
which, iron is way easier to get than either of those other two nodes

[keen light]

Hey yall. I haven't played since launch. I started a new game I noticed some weird behavior with belts. When I'm on straight mode it keeps adding curves when I am placing belts on foundations. Like just a little 10 degrees off when it should just be straight. Is that a known bug?

[bitter shuttle]

i wish you could delete obsolete blueprints from the designer

[formal minnow]

hold on i misread it takes the same amount of limestone
and like, 2.67x the iron

[formal minnow]

"straight mode" just means it tries to follow the foundation grid as much as possible

[bold python]

does the radiation left by Nuke nobelisks go away?

[compact flicker]

Yea

[bitter shuttle]

it gets absorbed by your body dw about it

[compact flicker]

Within a few seconds

[keen light]

I guess. I just don't remember it having this problem in 1.0

[wicked nacelle]

straight mode is bugged though - they said they are fixing it

it often has a like.. 10 degree offset for no reason

[keen light]

Yea that's what I'm talking about

Default still works fine, and I like the new curve mode

[wicked nacelle]

yeah just switch back to default and then back to straight if you need it

[keen light]

I'll give it a shot thank you

[compact flicker]

I have been so confused about this lol

[wicked nacelle]

yeah it's just a bug. use default mode for straight when it screws up

[compact flicker]

Tis what I've been doin

[sudden flint]

FICSMAS hard dries are indestructible

I have made 25 of them

[formal minnow]

how the heck do i have a shortage of iron of all things

[keen light]

ADA congratulated me on my dedication to ficsit after I turned off holiday mode.

[sudden flint]

#screenshots message
MFW I turned destructible items into indestructible items I can't ever be rid of:

[compact flicker]

How am I supposed to pump multiple close together pipes without clipping 😭 😭 😭

[wicked nacelle]

make some higher/lower?

[buoyant veldt]

Oh so I'm not crazy.

[compact flicker]

Yk im not sure why I didn't think of that. Ty

[wicked nacelle]

well we can't rule that out entirely 😛

[buoyant veldt]

Because iron is the most widely used raw material in the game.

Except maybe water.

[formal minnow]

im on tier 4 and ive already used up all the iron in like a 600m radius

[buoyant veldt]

So go to other areas.

[wicked nacelle]

pure iron ingots?

[formal minnow]

isnt that alt only possible next phase

im just gonna overclock some miners

[wicked nacelle]

if you're pre-oil and used up all your iron just... do your elevator parts. you're putting too much time into tutorial levels

[buoyant veldt]

Definitely not. I have it unlocked at phase 4 and it is necessary to my bauxite refining.

[formal minnow]

im on phase 1 gang

[keen light]

Iron is like the second most common resource, after water

[buoyant veldt]

Oh you said tier 4. Not phase 4.

[formal minnow]

i might just be overproducing something

[buoyant veldt]

By nodes I believe limestone has the most.

[keen light]

hmm you might be right, been a while since I looked at the stats

[wicked nacelle]

just go make your 50 smart plates and progress

[keen light]

I noticed they changed resource scanning to a limit of 3 nodes

kind of annoying

[formal minnow]

....i mean ive done phase 1 and im working on phase 2

industrial beams are a pain in the ass

[keen light]

I'm real close to oil, then I can finally get my radars set up

[wicked nacelle]

you don't need that many of them

[formal minnow]

arent they used for a belt tier in the next phase

[keen light]

Yea encased beams are t4 belts

[buoyant veldt]

I think the iron nodes have a better average quality though, so you can get more iron than limestone if you max them out.

[wicked nacelle]

yes, but you can push to mk5 belts in the next phase without making that many mk4 belts. mk5 belts are cheap

[white dawn]

Nah, Iron's got a lot more: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Resource_Node#Types

[keen light]

I think a lot of people skip over t4 belts

[white dawn]

Limestone's got more Normal nodes than Iron does, yeah, but Iron beats it out handily in the other two categories

[formal minnow]

thats a whole phase you gotta push through

[wicked nacelle]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/ -- front page shows ore availability

[wicked nacelle]

you don't need to use a lot of mk4 belts to get through it though

[formal minnow]

its also like a really important phase because its when you gotta do HMFs

[wicked nacelle]

?? I don't even know what that means.. an "important phase"

[keen light]

hmf is definitely a step up in complexity

[wicked nacelle]

absolutely and maybe if you're using screws you want mk4 belts for that. but that doesn't mean you need a lot of mk4 belts

[formal minnow]

iunno man being a whole tier behind on conveyors when hitting the biggest complexity spike in the game seems like a bad idea

[wicked nacelle]

the things your'e saying don't make sense. You use the belt tier that you need to get the item rates you need

you don't have to spam the highest tier belts you have

especially mk2 and mk4

[formal minnow]

im not even tryna do that many encased beams its just 6/min

its still a whole ordeal to make

[wicked nacelle]

you shouldn't be anywhere near out of iron in any of the starting locations making 6 encased beams/m. are you overclocking your miners?

[formal minnow]

^

ive overclocked a few already

[wicked nacelle]

you should be overclocking essentially all of them at least to yoru belt tier

[formal minnow]

somehow never had to in past runs

probably because the fields is just a really easy start point

[keen light]

nah don't just overclock everything, that's how you run out of power

[teal geyser]

Build more power then

[wicked nacelle]

You don't run out of power overclocking miners

[keen light]

I will admit though, overclocking miners is great

just don't go too crazy is what I'm saying

[compact flicker]

Really hope my new coal plant works cuz if it doesn't I'll be clueless as to where I went wrong lol

[keen light]

Mmmm sweet sexy coal

[formal minnow]

i mean obviously im trying not to when i can, its just
again, the next nearest iron spot is 600m away which is a lil much for just iron

[keen light]

kick that biofuel garbage out of here

[compact flicker]

Am I gonna spend 60 hrs on phase 2 again? Probably.

[formal minnow]

doesnt everyone

phase 2 is when i do mam research

[dense violet]

does everyone? I dont remember it taking that long

[compact flicker]

This is like the 5th time I'm going through this stage :p

[formal minnow]

its the point where you can start getting the really nice qol/organisation stuff like SAM and smart splitters

[keen light]

I got a little obsessed over alt recipes in a previous save, spent a bunch of time exploring before the jetpack

[last tartan]

I want to use stairs on the entrance to my base yet so badly i yearn for basic ramps...

[formal minnow]

dimensional depot my beloved

[compact flicker]

My first 20 ish hrs was mostly exploring, and this was before I looked at quartz in the MAM

[keen light]

you probably have one of those quartz breakables within 50m of your hub

[compact flicker]

This was like 350 hrs ago ^

:p

[keen light]

yea good times

[formal minnow]

do truck stations constantly eat power or only when theres a vehicle?

[buoyant veldt]

I genuinely would've stopped playing if I didn't have the dimensional depots. The amount of concrete needed for a gigafactory... A full inventory wouldn't even make a single floor.

[dense violet]

thats why you have a cargo train

[compact flicker]

I wanna build an actual structure instead of having everything out in the open, but it looks so good and I don't wanna hide it 😭

[buoyant veldt]

But that takes so much space and time and effort to set up.

[dense violet]

no it doesn't? run to where you're building draggin a rail line behind you - fill a train with tons of stuff. Drive it there

[formal minnow]

dyou guys prefer driving or walking places

[white dawn]

If you shift perspective to Building Material Delivery being Just Another Problem To Solve™, it became more palatable. And stuff like train/drone supply deliveries were mostly reusable for other builds once you'd had it set up. But yeah, a fully-upgraded and built out Depot does mostly remove that potential challenge

[formal minnow]

ive lost a lot of explorers to the void

[dense violet]

yeah Dimdepots really took out a big part of travel transport logistics problem solving

[white dawn]

(In the past I'd also often just built temporary "basic parts" factories onsite; there's nearly always spare limestone+iron about)

[compact flicker]

Walking. If its a long way I'll hitch a ride on one of the many freight trains I will be constructing

[formal minnow]

you can always just decide not to use them, like using the awesome shop to speedrun MAM/tier unlocks

[formal minnow]

is the explorer faster than jump sliding on blade runners? i cant remember

[dense violet]

oh yeah definitely. I just hate they added a bunch of semi creative mode things to the basic game

[wicked nacelle]

they definitely made it "console player friendly" in 1.0 -- trying to sell to the "thinking is hard" crowd

[white dawn]

Eh, IMO that's unfair

[compact flicker]

Idk either :p

[bitter shuttle]

do you guys go depot expansion or upload speed first

[white dawn]

I came to very much enjoy building up solutions for stuff like material delivery for building, but I also found I don't really miss building out those solutions, now that we have Depots, etc

[formal minnow]

dimensional depots feel like they should be endgame buildings but theyre accessible in tier 3

[white dawn]

The game's still complex and has nice chonky production lines to build; I don't think it's any "easier" than it was pre-1.0 in any meaningful sense

[dense violet]

DDs are ... semi creative mode because once you automate an item you essentially just have infinite amount of that item at your finger tips w/o work.
that's why 'semi' creative.
like all those duping mechanics

[buoyant veldt]

I'm not going to spend 5 hours to make a train network just so I can spend another 6 hours to build the factory. Not when I can spend a few hours afk with storage leading into 6 depots that ensure I'll never be waiting for materials.

[white dawn]

I do feel like Depots should at least require power, increasingly so as the upload speed increases. :D

[dense violet]

100gw per

[formal minnow]

once you get them you dont even need central storage, you can just teleport shit into your hands if you need them for anything

[white dawn]

If you're building a train network anyway then the extra work is hardly anything, though. :)

[dense violet]

imo central storages were never 'good' - quicker just hitting up a couple factories in a hyper tube

[formal minnow]

i still do them cos i like the aesthetic

[dense violet]

if you had fun building a central storage? yeah go for it ofc

[formal minnow]

it feels good to walk through them

[dense violet]

but mechanically, not really useful or productive

[white dawn]

Yeah, I still cling to my Central Storages, even though I basically never actually touch 'em functionally by midgame or so. :D

(I do think that having some kind of storage system set up until mid-gameish isn't really wasted effort; it takes a lot of effort to get Depots fully up and running)

Though centralizing said system is of dubious value unless you just want to. (IMO)

[dim flint]

I'm currently building a temporary singularity factory just while I completely destroy my main base and plan to rebuild it.

[dense violet]

as long as you have a quick tube path it only takes a couple minutes - and your production factories might be closer than your central storage either

[dim flint]

I can't decide what I want to do exactly though. Do I ship in all the ignots and basic low level materials and process them in one place, or do I make a slew of various mod level factories and ship them all in lower quantity, but larger variety...

[formal minnow]

first one either takes a lot of planning or will make a big mess, second one requires more item transportation

[dim flint]

I kinda want to do #2, but I'm worried I'll overwhelm my train network.

My thought is that I kinda make a main base out of smaller bases in a ring nearby. And use a dedicated train/trucks to move things around within it.

[neon basalt]

Would it be smart to have the basic materials all travel to a semi distant storage and then using those storage tanks to build the assemblers and advanced parts all the while the main parts are constantly being made and transported?

[dense violet]

I'd just do it on site

[dim flint]

Well that's the other thing, I'd like to have a consistent overflow to sotrage/sinks.

It just feels a lot easier to collect resources and have more or less a single feed of materials to think about. Vs. various factories all over which I need to track their overflow to collect for other purposes.

[formal minnow]

iunno if ficsit inc appreciates my attitude of "do everything i can before completing a phase"

[buoyant veldt]

I wasn't.

[buoyant veldt]

Tbf this is how I got through phase 3.

[ocean frost]

I just have an area that is dedicated just for each of the contruction materials that goues into storage and then upload.

[bitter shuttle]

aaaaa idk if i should upgrade the depot stack size or the depot upload speed

i should just hunt down all the mercer spheres

[formal minnow]

if you have a container connected to the depot then get your upload speed up to your max belt speed

[dim flint]

I already have a factory which makes everything other than particle accelerator and quantum stuff.

[bitter shuttle]

well im running mk3 belts, so i guess i need an upload speed of 270/m?

[dense violet]

it's easy and fast

[dim flint]

The issue is figuring out the best way to consume the world's resources without ending up getting my limited train network clogged.

[buoyant veldt]

And really fun to launch yourself out of a pioneer accelerator.

[dense violet]

once it fills it'll stop uploading so, not really

[bitter shuttle]

i guess

[crisp mortar]

Can nitrogen gas be packaged?

[formal minnow]

jesus christ i need to take a nap i read that as estrogen

[dim flint]

Yes

[dense violet]

both can be packaged, yes

[dim flint]

Need tanks tho, not plastic containers.

[ocean frost]

you can have more than one train netowrk you know

[bitter shuttle]

straight up huffing that estrogen gas

[neon basalt]

Thats what I was thinking. Ingots, plates, rods, screws, copper plates, wire and cable all in one area then those lead into a off side area with like 2 storage tanks for each and then constructors from there

[dim flint]

Yeaaaa... but that's a lot of work.

[crisp mortar]

You've earned a micro break

[ocean frost]

you dont have to cram everything onto the one line

[compact flicker]

I can also confirm both can be packaged. Nitrogen in aluminum, estrogen in plastic usually.

[dim flint]

I was smart and used a bidirectional layout at least already.

[open swallow]

You can reduce traffic on your train network by tweaking train departure conditions

For instance, setting them to only leave when their load is completed

[compact flicker]

Thats a thing you can do??

[dim flint]

Yea, but if I try to cram all the ignots in the world to like 20 factories all making parts that each need to go to each other... there's no way that works without super careful planning. And I'd like to avoid that to some degree.

[formal minnow]

wish trucks could do that

[dense violet]

yessss but you probably want an equi distrubuted load on platforms if you do that

[ocean frost]

Wait till you have a train line that is packed and then. work on making a bypass or something else

[dim flint]

So I'm trying to think what satellite factories would be a good idea to make.

[dense violet]

you can, have them wait at the station long enough to fill storage

2 stacks per second iirc

[compact flicker]

I should've thought about how hard it might be to cold start a 357mw (357 needed to sustain power) coal plant with only biofuel

[ocean frost]

there is a wait till fully loaded option isnt there

[dim flint]

I'm worried I'll end up spending way too much time making bypasses and dedicated lines. And I honestly hate building train lines.

[formal minnow]

im more limited by the production speed on the loading side
so i gotta do some math- whats the max capacity on trucks again

[ocean frost]

you can fit a lot of trains on a line without issue

[buoyant veldt]

I believe it needs the aluminum tanks but yes. Any fluid can be packaged.

[dim flint]

Yea, but not enough to carry the entire supply of the world

I don't want to paint myself in a corner.

[formal minnow]

overclocked tier 1 miners are more energy efficient than tier 2s right

[open swallow]

nix: you'll only need to build bypasses if absolutely needed

you don't need to pre-plan it

you're afraid of what may happen

trains go choo choo

what more do you need?

[dim flint]

Haha, I spend my life overthinking things.

[ocean frost]

if you have a lot of trains going from A to B thats when you can look at making another line 95% of the time its not going to be an issue

[dim flint]

I just want to figure out a satisfying division of factories for the end game.

[dense violet]

no idea, but the difference is so little it doesn't matter

[dim flint]

I feel like taking it to the extreme on either end is a bad idea. Having just one mega factory will be unwieldy. And having a factory for every part like iron rods and modular frames etc is going to be a logistical nightmare.

So I'm trying to come up with a strategy for figuring out what group of parts to make their own factory for.

[ocean frost]

Yes T2 used 3x more power OC used 2.5x from memory

[ivory condor]

I go with a strategy with dedicating factory for big individual parts, like one to make infused modular frames, etc, big ticket items like that

[dim flint]

Yea. I like that, but then what do you do with overflow? Or do you just not worry about it and remake things like iron plates anytime you need them?

[ivory condor]

but you can honestly break it up as much as you want depending on your play style, but its still far more manageable than trying to make a mega factory, because that in itself is its own logistical nightmare, mainly because its very hard to efficiently plan everything out unless you have all endgame numbers already calculated

i mean you can do a mega factory, it just is in its its own kind of logistical nightmare, just a different sort, that of extreme long term planning

[dim flint]

Kibitz's mega factory is somewhat appealing to me, but it doesn't scale well... and I'm not convinced I'll like the logistics.

[compact flicker]

Yay my pipes work

[dim flint]

@ivory condor What do you do for lower level parts? Do you have dedicated factories for them too, or just make them from ignots on site?

[ivory condor]

sure youtubers like kibitz try to make doing mega factories look easy, but those type of people shouldnt be considered a norm and you really shouldnt do it, unless you know everything your already doing, including what your end game product numbers are going to be, because you need to do that to be able to really build a mega factory with all of it in mind, otherwise it will just turn into a spaghetti nightmare of sorts, where your constantly build and rebuilding because you need larger production numbers, etc

[dim flint]

Yea exactly. I intentionally do not want to have an end production number in mind. I want to be able to scale gracefully.

[ocean frost]

The mega factgory is just a jigsaw of of smaller factories

[ivory condor]

right if you want to scale gracefully you absolutely should avoid doing mega factories at all costs

[dim flint]

The difference is if they use the same train lines or not basically.

[ocean frost]

you arent making a train line you are making a train network

[dim flint]

Would you recommend making low level factories, then making higher level ones that get their parts by train. Or just start with high level, and build on site?

[dim flint]

That's what I meant.

[bitter lodge]

standalone mega factories are great.

[dim flint]

I already have a basic network throughout the whole map.

And I really don't want to do much more train rail building lol

[bitter lodge]

I took a starter steel factory, and start iron factory. Made a mega factory that produces all iron/steel products and it even makes more than the old factories.

Trains are optional.

[ocean frost]

Think of trains like this you want a rail that deals with everything in an anrea / biome and then you want another rail that is used to connect them together like a loop around the map

[dim flint]

Not if you want to consume the world.

[ivory condor]

Usually lower level parts I don't worry about and make them at each individual outpost, but thats purely personal preference

[bitter lodge]

Belt highways work.

[open swallow]

Well, you can make roads and use road vehicles if you wanted

[bitter lodge]

Everything is optional x) but trains are lowkey cool to be seeing running

[ocean frost]

Honesly where you build is entirely prefrence

[dim flint]

Yea... I guess I will probably end up having to make the inter-biome rails. I have the intra-biome finished.

[ivory condor]

the real key reason why i also do it because its easier to plan to scale each factory later-this quickly becomes a nightmare in a mega factory due to space constraint reasons and makes it easier to scale up later

[ocean frost]

build something small and make it bigger

[ivory condor]

though I am trying in one save to make a really insane factories in both grass fields and dune deserts, think mega factory but definitely i wouldnt recommend unless you really know what your doing

[bitter lodge]

Now when we say mega factory...are we talking like kibitz central factory?

[ivory condor]

still it was fun paving the entire dune desert with foundations

[dim flint]

I think my plan is to smelt near ore. Put it all on the trains and have a handful of factories, maybe 5 or 6 for all the high level parts.

[ocean frost]

honeslty laying the rail is the easy part stop making it harder

[dim flint]

Yes

[bitter lodge]

Don't smelt it. Use refineries.

[ivory condor]

yep, everything made in a central location

[bitter lodge]

Refineries give you more

[dim flint]

That's what I mean.

[bitter lodge]

The lag.....

[ivory condor]

yeah thats another reason why i wouldnt recommend it

everything in the same biome really doesnt help with the game lag at all

[bitter lodge]

Honestly if you want a central area with everything. Bring in every resource from the entire map at once. Then go from there

[ocean frost]

having less ingots and more Frames stators and rotors on trains will make it much easier for you

[dim flint]

I already have this a factory for all my dimensional depot baseline parts.

[dim flint]

Well that's partly why I guess I'll need biome rails, and also why I need to plan factories in places where they can get all the ingots they need nearby so the trains don't clog things up. It just gets complicated when things end up depleting and I have to ship ingots from the other side of the world.

[bitter lodge]

My only issue with trains is throughput

[dim flint]

I was thinking of making a dedicated baixite rail since it's all in a line.

[ocean frost]

You are dealing with a probelm that doesn't exist yet

[ocean frost]

Thats a great start

[formal minnow]

i love the fact that pioneers canonically "started exhibiting traumatic responses to power blackouts"

[dim flint]

Well me main problem is making singularity cells en mass...

But I want to make those parts in each factory that I will scale later when I want other related parts.

[ivory condor]

yep thats what i do, because as you say its all in a line

so i make dedicated bauxite trains also specifically to gather it

[dim flint]

But then it's all gotta go to a few places as ignots and casings.

[buoyant veldt]

Yeah have you seen an endgame powergrid blackout? Terrifying stuff.

[formal minnow]

nuclear power blackouts will genuinely ruin your week

[buoyant veldt]

But if you have power storage set up with power switches, you can make yourself immune to blackouts.

I have 150000 MWh stored with power switches. Enough to run my grid for a week of real time.

[formal minnow]

feeling the need to have an entire weeks worth of power in storage is probably a trauma response

[open swallow]

hmm... my turbofuel factory relies upon trains to bring in materials, so it might do me some good to set up some sort of black start capability

or just build more batteries

[wicked nacelle]

keep some batteries that are charged and not connected. Also keep an ISC full of compressed coal too

and then you can just hook it up via a belt

[open swallow]

good idea

[ocean frost]

also rember stations stop working while they load / unload

[formal minnow]

i think i just ran over my dog

[ocean frost]

Santa knows what to get you for christmas now

[formal minnow]

casket

[ivory condor]

Even more so when you realize the reason is because your nuclear waste processing has failed and you have to fix that

[ocean frost]

Glassess

[formal minnow]

i have glasses 😭

[ivory condor]

So out of power, nuclear waste everywhere, definition of a nightmare

ideally you dont want to get to the point of no power and nuclear waste everywhere, but shit can happen

[gentle lion]

I had an alt I didn't realize until I was halfway done with my heavy modular frame

It could havebeen half as small

[sour ledge]

lmao im here struggling with my train signalling on my station. Solution? Pull up my save from earlier this year. Past me had this stuff figured out.

[gentle lion]

Encased pipes whatever it called....🤦‍♂️

[ocean frost]

its cobalt approved

[bitter shuttle]

i love how the gas mask actually gets equipped and shows up on their face

[gentle lion]

I just have to finish a few constructors and attach everything to the manufacturer tomorrow

[wicked nacelle]

do you want help with train stuff? Let me know -- or are you deaf? Someone was deaf that I offered to VC

[gentle lion]

I can unlock them just ha ing dragged the parts Tao the hub yet lol

I'll Def hit you up though becaue they look very fun

Imma train shit to one central location 😂

[wicked nacelle]

actually not right? You can always just store it until you get excess processing online

[gentle lion]

I don't need to rush in unlocking the signal things to do I? Appears that's for if you have trains crossing each other?

[bitter lodge]

I would

one train wasn't enough to transport 2k baux and 1,2k coal for me. I had to get a second train and for it to work nicely, I needed block signals so they would run into each other at the 2 pick up locations I made

[ivory condor]

True this is more of a hypothetical worse of the worst case scenario that cant possibly happen, mostly just joking here

[formal minnow]

how the hell do you get items out of cave nodes
do i just truck it out?

[bitter lodge]

you can use a lift and clip through the ground

[formal minnow]

that seems annoying and ugly

[bitter lodge]

It is. but it works.

you can use a belt through the cave as well

[formal minnow]

dyou reckon trucking through the cave would be hard

[ivory condor]

I personally send the lifts through the ground, because I just view it as tunneling

[gentle lion]

Can't you stack th rails?

[bitter lodge]

do what now?

[ivory condor]

also because the fastest way to get ore out of cave nodes is just to send lifts upwards and dont care about terrain because the lifts dont either

[formal minnow]

#screenshots message why te hell is this even a thing

[gentle lion]

Like can't you make like one rail higher than the other ?

[compact flicker]

Northwestern cave with 2 quartz and a SAM?

[formal minnow]

ye

[compact flicker]

😭

I was hoping I was wrong