satisfactory

[magic nest]

i just got the nitro rocket fuel alt

and it’s so disappointing

the closest nitrogen gas well is 3000 km away

[hard ivy]

it's very simple but a fair bit more expensive than the other one I sent

[ivory condor]

yeah i dont use nitro rocket fuel at all for my rocket fuel truth be told

[hard ivy]

still, it takes like half the produciton steps so it's pretty good too

[magic nest]

i was so excited when i saw it until i saw it takes nitrogen gas

[ivory condor]

because im cheap, so use regular rocket fuel, basically im a cheap bastard and want everything for the lowest cost possible hahahaha

[hard ivy]

RF always takes nitrogen, oil, and sulfur. coal and iron optional

[magic nest]

and it also takes coal so not worth for me

wait where does it take nitrogen gas????

[hard ivy]

acid

[magic nest]

fuck

forgot about that

that’s a little easier for me to do however

[little shale]

Anyone reached the top of the space elevator? I have been building ladders for 5 minutes upwards and I don't feel like I've made any progress

[magic nest]

but wait you talking about sulfuric acid?

[strange chasm]

why is pink area so hostile

[hard ivy]

no, it takes nitric

[frail sleet]

there's a killbox a few kilometers up

you can launch yourself up really fast tho 😄

[magic nest]

ah

i don’t have the recipe for that so didn’t know

[frail sleet]

nitric takes iron too

[little shale]

Oh poo

[quick barn]

Pink Forrest don't play

[strange chasm]

yeah clearly my rebar gun is not enough

[quick barn]

Shatter rebar is a nice bump

[strange chasm]

i havent bothered with getting quartz yet

[quick barn]

Missing out on a lot in the MAM.

May be worth an adventuring to even simply snag some fat stacks and process it real quick.

[strange chasm]

yeah ive just been focused on the basics

im pretty early on

wow the research for it tells me to leave no witnesses

[north parcel]

chat whats the best way to get tickets?

[hard ivy]

sink overflow from all your factories

[north parcel]

already doing that

but its so slow

[strange chasm]

make a factory to make high level resources and dump all of it into the sink

[north parcel]

i did a lot of killing wildlife to farm the tickets aswell but i need so much more

[north parcel]

i have this with a computes setup rn

[strange chasm]

ig just do more. ive seen it done before

[north parcel]

i spend so manny tickets on useless stuff so now it takes mad long to get tickets when i actually need them

[strange chasm]

the ficsit cart was a necessary expense dont lie to yourself

[north parcel]

i diddent even buy that😭

[strange chasm]

did you buy the cybertruck instead or something

[north parcel]

i bought like a lot of recources to go to the next tiers

i had to restart cause i started new on ps5 since it just came out and wanted to speed up a bit but spend so many tickets its gonna take years before i get the golden nut🥲

[strange chasm]

oh i didnt even realize you could buy resources

[proper vector]

Does anyone know if tractors can run on coal?

[strange chasm]

they can

[proper vector]

ok btw is it possible to split items based on their type?

[strange chasm]

not sure exactly what you mean

[proper vector]

like if you have a belt that has plates and rotors on it can you split it into two belts one that only takes plates and one that only takes rotors?

[strange chasm]

im not sure

[proper vector]

ok

[charred thistle]

whats the fastest way to get more inventory space 😅
I'm over 1500m away from my HUB and im trying to bring quartz for research

[hard ivy]

smart splitter

[proper vector]

ok ty

[sullen gull]

And programmable splitters lets you do that as well, just with being able to configure multiple items per "port" instead one per with the Smart Splitter

[west hazel]

couple mods, theres mods for like 10 25 50 slots repectively depending on how much you want to boost it

[hard ivy]

depots. practially infinite inventory space. because you no longer need to keep most things in the inventory

[nimble vigil]

SCIM Interactive Map Editor... You can add as many inventory slots as you need, and don't need mods to do it

[sullen gull]

Go out and find some SAM and mercer sheres, and research Alien Technology for the Dimenisonal Depot. Otherwise, if you have them unlocked, making a hyper tube cannon is a "fast" way to tracel the map

[earnest bluff]

is 120 coal producton enough for 8 coal gens?

[sullen gull]

8x 15

[strange chasm]

i think they consume like 15

[earnest bluff]

oh are they consuming 15 ty

[sullen gull]

15 per, so, yes, 120/min is enough

[strange chasm]

they consume 15/m each, for 8 you need at least 120/m

[sullen gull]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[earnest bluff]

okay tysm

[sullen gull]

That link will have some "basic" setup for the plumbing as well

[quick barn]

Hard drive research, or alien technology research.

[sullen gull]

Also MAM research in general as there are a couple trees iirc that have an unlock that increases inventory slots

[orchid depot]

Is there anyway to shut Ada off compeletly? she is getting old REALLY fast.

[dark iris]

ok i need help tutorials are annyoing i need a set place for lime stone near copper near iron like wth

[sullen gull]

You can mute ADA in the settings iirc

[hard ivy]

check audio settings

[orchid depot]

would it be dialogue volume?

[quick barn]

A big part of the game is logistics.

The resources being spread out are on purpose, to get you to engage with the games challenges and systems.

[dark iris]

L O G I C

i dont even understand what AND gate does

Ohh conve

mb i thought u were talking bout logic

[quick barn]

I dont understand what you just said, so 👍

[dark iris]

The thing that u transport stuff in it

Moves stuff in ur factory

[quick barn]

Ahh lol.

Yeah, belts, tractors, etc to move resources to one place to assmeble. It's a core skill to master

[dark iris]

Yea i need help like a guide with a person

Not a video in my world

[proper vector]

Does anyone know if it spossible to extend the max zoop distance for b uilding?

[sullen gull]

if A AND B are both True, it makes C true. An OR is A OR B, NOT is NOT A or B..... 😏

[unkempt blade]

We use them at my improv meetup. They're how you keep the funny flowing

[charred thistle]

I'm not at my pc but how do I find sam

What is Sam anyways 😅

[dark iris]

[quick barn]

I hear ya. I have a homie who started on console and I hung out in his game for hours showing him the roles and chilling. Sometimes that's more helpful

[hard ivy]

strange alien matter

[unkempt blade]

he's my cousin that lives in st louis

[quick barn]

Try the LFG channel and ask there.

[charred thistle]

Lmaooo

[dark iris]

Im console but sometimes ps5 goes nuke OFF i needs fix it only in satis

[leaden turret]

is he dead everywhere else?

[sullen gull]

Can use your resource scanner (V). It's Alien ore. Purple and shiny ... and it speaks to you in riddles 😛

[quick barn]

My theory? 💦💦💦

[dark iris]

Is it heat or

[charred thistle]

On my scanner it just shows basic ores tho

[quick barn]

I'm on Xbox.
When they fix up the crossplay I'd be happy to hang for a bit and see what ya got going on.

[charred thistle]

I'm remote desktopping from my truck across town 😅

[unkempt blade]

last I heard he's alive but he's kind of a sketchy electrician so sometimes things happen I guess

[tacit bough]

You have to find it and research it before you can scan it

[dark iris]

So what kind of world rocky desert or?

[charred thistle]

Where's it typically located tho

[leaden turret]

only one map, many biomes

[quick barn]

You starting over? Or playing for the first time?

[dark iris]

Starting over i suck

[tacit bough]

If you want look at the satisfactory calculator interactive map

[charred thistle]

Is that a mod

[tacit bough]

No its a website

[quick barn]

I genuinely am not sure that's helpful. You already have some progress.

[sullen gull]

High up, in caves usually. But as eray says, you can use SCIM

[tacit bough]

Just called "Satisfactory calculator"

[charred thistle]

Ohhhh oki can you dm a link

[dark iris]

I was playing industrialist in roblox they sponsored in thier desc now im addic to satisfactory

[sullen gull]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[charred thistle]

Ill check it out when I'm home I appreciate it

[runic sage]

do yall think they should make satellite portals be able to transport materials?

[compact flicker]

No

[runic sage]

why?

[compact flicker]

Game balance.

[runic sage]

i think it should be able to, and consume singularity cells based on the amount per minute, lets say 1 cell per 100 items per minute

[tacit bough]

One of the main things of the game imo is figuring out how to transport one item to another area

[runic sage]

definitely but i think at late game it should be fair to be able to teleport things, and it will only be used for extremely long ranges because of the high fuel consumption

[hard ivy]

eh, I think like 15/min max for a portal consuming 2 cells/min would be balanced

[compact flicker]

And honestly by the time you can use the portals, you should have a decent train network anyways.

[runic sage]

balanced but kinda useless.. only use i can see is to transport nuclear pasta to a powerplant to make ficsonium

[hard ivy]

Or, make it more, but require sing cells on both ends

Though then you'd just portal those too

[dark iris]

Dude my heart was 130 bpm when i saw that spider in the game holy

I have a phobia

[strange chasm]

they get bigger and... gassier

[dark iris]

WHAT

[leaden turret]

turn on arachnophobia mode

-# get a new phobia

[mortal ginkgo]

lets just say there are bigger variants...

[dark iris]

WHAT

[mortal ginkgo]

smol ones are kinda cute and cuddly.

[dark iris]

NO UR LYING NO

[strange chasm]

theres green ones that shoot gas too

[dark iris]

HOW

[leaden turret]

and they can jump several stories

[dark iris]

.

[reef basin]

would invalidate every other transportation option in the game

[leaden turret]

bad breath from chomping on pioneers

[mortal ginkgo]

Well bigger ones are not that bad. They are way larger, they can jump on you etc.

[dark iris]

I paid 200 saudi dollars for this

[mortal ginkgo]

You paid them dollars to FIGHT YOUR FEARS BROTHER

[hard ivy]

Just don't go into the swamp and you'll be fine

[grizzled lotus]

can I kill the poisonous flowers by clobbering them or using normal rebars? Or do I have to use explosives like the poison pillars

[mortal ginkgo]

nope, only explosives

[runic sage]

not true because it would be incredibly consuming.. you're gonna have to sacrifice nuclear pasta for it. and on top, do you actually use any mode of transport except trains and in some cases drones??

[dark iris]

Can anyone help. Me in my world

[strange chasm]

i can kill all the spiders

[dark iris]

I need help for factory

[leaden turret]

🏭 🏃‍♀️ 🏭

[strange chasm]

i can do that too

[leaden turret]

reminder: they respawn

[dark iris]

IM ps5 so f

[strange chasm]

it takes a while though

[dark iris]

Can u still join

[strange chasm]

oh is there no cross play?

[dark iris]

Want me to u active it

[runic sage]

but you already use portals to move yourself..

which obviously isnt the main issue in this game

[leaden turret]

hypertubes are unlocked way earlier

portals do not provide an opportunity for a pee break

[strange chasm]

im sure theres a case where hypertubes are faster

[runic sage]

every new mode of transportation outmatches the previous in it's class.. the last tier didnt give us any new mode of item transportation

[strange chasm]

huh

[dark iris]

@strange chasm so how Do ya get in

[strange chasm]

idk

[runic sage]

😭 ur onto something

[reef basin]

you can crossplay between Steam and Epic, you can also crossplay between consoles

[dark iris]

Im epic

[mortal ginkgo]

it gives mk6 belts no?

[reef basin]

not really, every new mode of transportation gives you something different

[runic sage]

i dont count belts because they're logistics and not transport. transport is drones, trains, trucks and such

[hard ivy]

Belts are very much a transport method too

[reef basin]

trains, trucks and drones are logistics 🤔

[mortal ginkgo]

While I see where you are coming from, those vehicles you mention are more or less "belts".

[dark iris]

@strange chasm ok so how Do we get in a world both us

[strange chasm]

idk

[runic sage]

trains and trucks are a transport tier.. conveyors are logistics.

[dark iris]

Guys help

[strange chasm]

i dont know if there is crossplay between steam and ps5

[reef basin]

transport is part of logistics

[leaden turret]

go run on a mk.3+ belt with blade runners and tell me they're not transport

[reef basin]

no there isn't

[runic sage]

but is a seperate tier

[leaden turret]

there is not

[runic sage]

a pee break excuse

[reef basin]

milestone-wise, maybe. But we're talking in general

[dark iris]

Ok so how does one play with me

[leaden turret]

if you're running on belts it's not to step away from the computer

[reef basin]

if you're on console, your friends need consoles as well
if you're on PC, your friends need PC as well

[dark iris]

So whos console here

PLAYS on console

[reef basin]

xbox/playstation

[runic sage]

didnt they say you can co op pc and console?

[reef basin]

if you're looking for people, use #1201555265942724758

[dark iris]

Playstastion

[reef basin]

no

[runic sage]

alr

btw are they gonna make a major update? (nerw phases and such)

[reef basin]

don't think there will be anything that major

[dark iris]

Done

[runic sage]

sad

[leaden turret]

they have big plans

phases have not been mentioned tho

[runic sage]

what has been mentioned?

if you care to elaborate

[hard ivy]

I asked about a potential tier 10 and they basically gave me the glomar response so 🤷‍♂️

[leaden turret]

• unspecified game modes (||probably randomised ore nodes in 1.2||)
• fluid trucks

[hard ivy]

At least they didn't say no ig

[runic sage]

true true

[runic sage]

random nodes would be cool asf

[grizzled lotus]

is there a downside to respawning a lot? I always do it to get back to my base quickly

[leaden turret]

less opportunity for exploration

[meager kiln]

I did lol he's great

[unkempt blade]

mostly the unbearable shame and humiliation

[grizzled lotus]

I forgot how tractors work. Are they only good for transferring stuff reliably between two stations or moving only one type of material?

[gusty perch]

trains cost alot but can hold more and can do the same thing.

[unkempt blade]

1. Yes between two stations unless you're actively driving it somewhere
2. You can put multiple item types in it but you'll need to sort them on the receiving side. Make sure total usage isn't greater than the throughput for that route

[gusty perch]

same with drones

[grizzled lotus]

no trains yet. also, I'd just like to use tractorcs/trucks since the idea is cool

[grizzled lotus]

by sorting them you mean having smart splitters and stuff? I think I might just end up using them for transporting coal wherever or something

[wicked nacelle]

The implementation sucks though

For grabbing one or maybe two things they’re okay. If that thing is also a fuel.

[grizzled lotus]

true. I'd wish they would revisit the idea since i feel it would fill a cool gap of needing to transfer stuff but not kilometers away. would look tidier than having really long belts

[grizzled lotus]

yeah, that's a big flaw I think, needing coal/fuel. Would be great if they could recharge electricity

[wicked nacelle]

Them needing fuel really kills then being useful. And the pathing collision requirements too

If they’re going to an oil base then they’re fine for fuel but it’s not like drones where you can easily just send one to get fuel for the others

[mortal ginkgo]

#screenshots message

You can use them no problem

just need extra planning for fuel

also 1.1 patch got a new bug where at first start of the game some tractors simply stop. Fixed by making a very small path via any truck or factory cart. then you can delete the boi and all will be fine

[grizzled lotus]

yeah, but setting up the path is generally inconvenient, and having them take a detour jsut for fuel takes time

although I can see how you can have one truck station that trucks go to just for filling up on fuel

[leaden turret]

so don't detour them for fuel, fuel them at pickup/drop-off

[mortal ginkgo]

while I agree about pathing can be wonky, you dont need to take detour just to get fuel. Fuel them in either station that they arrive or come from.

[grizzled lotus]

is fuel every where on your maps or am I missing something?

[leaden turret]

you can deliver fuel by vehicle or belt

[reef basin]

coal is almost everywhere, yeah

[mortal ginkgo]

Left side got Coal Generator so coal is suppled there. Right side is where I make Concrete and Compacted Coal, so one base fuels the other one.

You see, its all about planning in the end.

[grizzled lotus]

I want to see a sketch of this so I can understand. also, fyi but I've only used coal for trucks before

[grizzled lotus]

so, you have one truck that jsut transfers (for example) coal from the coal node to a station, and that station is where all the other trucks go, right?

[mortal ginkgo]

You are kinda stuck with the idea that Trucks need to go to a Fuel Station. This is not the case.

They can get fuel in the Stations that they are doing load and unload actions, as long as the Stations got fuel in their fuel tanks (which is one slot)

My all Coal Truck Stations got coal as fuel (self fueling) and Concrete/LimeStone ones got coal too (coal is belted in to them from another closeby base that uses Coal)

[grizzled lotus]

I see. I didn't really think of doing that since coal nodes aren't always nearby, and I don't like building really long belts tbh, even though sometimes I have to do it

what do you guys use for paths for the tractors? plain foundations?

[mortal ginkgo]

If it fancies you, you can make a Truck Station that request Coal and fuel all other Stations (trucks dont need to go to that coal station)

[wicked nacelle]

That’s great if it’s in coal range. A stack of coal can easily be insufficient for a path though if it’s medium long

[mortal ginkgo]

World's natural ground kek

[wicked nacelle]

And since vehicle transit times aren’t fixed it can work 100 times and if it’s close run out of fuel the 101st

[grizzled lotus]

I'm in the 3rd biome (the narrow forest) so lots of rivers and cliffs and stuff

[mortal ginkgo]

Eh, it really goes a long way for me. I got 2 trucks going from west coast to end of Rocky Desert, asks like.. 60 coal.

[mortal ginkgo]

Well buddy, you kinda asked for the challenge yourself. Still not doable tho'.

If you think its meh yolo for trains I say.

[grizzled lotus]

no I was just asking what you build for paths

might just do foundations and add fences for looks

[mortal ginkgo]

I use natural ground. Rocky got plenty natural roads to take advantage of. Cant say anything for other ones tho'.

#screenshots message

Like this.

[grizzled lotus]

those are some nice looking ramps

[twin helm]

not even done phase 2 yet and im trynna utilise sam, catarium, quartz and braun something... help im spiraling

[fading whale]

Don't worry. That's just one spiral out of many more to come.

[twin helm]

everything was going so well, i was so organized, and then i tried to bite off more than i could chew

[fading whale]

Yup 🙂
Try and stick with one goal at a time (it's a challenge).
Focus on, and chill with that. Know that all the other stuff will get it's turn.

[twin helm]

its so hard, i want it all. now

[fading whale]

And if you have scatterbrain like most of us. And want to do something while it's "hot". Throw down some foundations around that SAM node. Or put up a sign with notes for yourself. And then get back to it. Much easier to pick your train of thought again.

I use it as a carrot. This thing is shiny. And the sooner I get "whatever" done, the sooner I can poke shiny thing.

[twin helm]

im still on phase one is the worst part, got a decent factory considering that tho, like 50 hours in

[flint grail]

Wtf? I exit to the main menu and the entire menu is bugged tf out

[flint grail]

Try making a rifle ammo factory

[cyan leaf]

I need an opinion is it worth overclocking the 4 slot assembler or try to add more of em?

[hard ivy]

1. it's called a manufacturer
2. up to you. overclocking will cost you shards and power and save space

[fading whale]

It can be. Entirely up to you.
Overclock = Much less space needed. But more power.

[leaden turret]

build up = much less horizontal space needed, and more power

[grizzled lotus]

so when I use the blueprint designer and it's a long path or something, I'm always finding trouble when I'm building the blueprint, it spawns at an odd angle and not like how I want it. how do I build stuff in the blueprint designer so it has the orientation I want?

[leaden turret]

#design-and-architecture people might know if nobody here that's awake has a clue

[compact flicker]

Mornin pioneers!

[leaden turret]

looks out window

🌃

[compact flicker]

lol

[magic nest]

i’m currently struggling my god

getting the nitric acid to my power plant is killing

[twin helm]

evening

[magic nest]

gonna have to use trains

sighhh

[twin helm]

at what distance is it no longer worth using conveyors

[reef basin]

never

[fluid sapphire]

whatever distance they start being an annoyance to build at

[compact flicker]

Trains are the best wym

[magic nest]

i know i just have a bad history with them

[reef basin]

(or rather, depends on your definition of "worth")

[twin helm]

about 2.5km

[magic nest]

if you want a steady stream of supplies sadly never

[fluid sapphire]

what, trains are great at steady transport

2.5km is definitely train territory

[hard ivy]

? all transport methods are capable of steady transport?

[twin helm]

im on phase 1... 🙁

[magic nest]

LMAO

[hard ivy]

why are you transporting anything 2.5 km away in phase 1. that's something I start doing in phase 4/5 XD

[magic nest]

low stack items if you are needing more than a train can carry imo i’d rather use converbelts

[twin helm]

my factory uses like 2000mw, is that normal at this stage

[fluid sapphire]

what i was gonna say, what could you possibly need to transport that far in phase 1 lmao

[magic nest]

you are gonna hate yourself when you have to tear it down at some point im gonna tell you that right now

[fluid sapphire]

2GW of biomass burners, fr

[twin helm]

no sorry im in phase 2 my bad, just havent completed it

[cyan leaf]

Is it normal for a lot of empty space in between production lines?

[twin helm]

already have, ive built with expansion in mind this time

[magic nest]

good :)

[twin helm]

this is my first playthrough aswell lmaoo

just got the game like a week ago

[fluid sapphire]

totally

[mental raft]

guys i have 667.7 hrs rn lol so funy right

[twin helm]

six sevennn

why am i doing that as this big age

[fluid sapphire]

most braindead meme fr, call me a boomer

[twin helm]

it is, yet i cant stop, this game uses any other brain cells i have

[fluid sapphire]

if you think about it for a bit, thats the whole game, moving stuff from A to B in one form or another, with a bit of math inbetween

[cyan leaf]

Oh nono I meant like u have ur steel beans production but then like a constructor size gap before ur steel beam production

[jovial scaffold]

@devs for the choo choo mf i love it

[twin helm]

spent the last 5 minutes chasing a lizard doggo petting it, why wont it love me

[fluid sapphire]

drop berries for it and unequip your weapons

[hard ivy]

and don't run

[twin helm]

ima keep chasing it i dont have berrys, it will love me or suffer the consequences

[fluid sapphire]

constructors are pretty small, thats hardly any space at all

[hard ivy]

1 foundation

I have much bigger gaps in my factories

mostly created by balancers XD

[high spindle]

sag mal tomate

[fluid sapphire]

my ceilings are all like 10-12 foundations high (minimum), theres a lot of empty space

and that doesnt feel big at this point

[cyan leaf]

Og i was saying that as for an example but after what Kyo said i am now not as badly concerned 😭

[fluid sapphire]

better to have space left over than to not have enough space

[fluid sapphire]

you sound like you are quite early in the game, i am simply proposing that your perception of space will change a lot as you progress

buildings start feeling smaller, the map starts feeling smaller

[sick dragon]

Stop making my couch float

[cyan leaf]

Yes I am early on (currently finishing off phase 3) but I have so many gaps that are just being filled by belts 😭

[twin helm]

ayo why is my junction only pushing me left

[fluid sapphire]

nothing wrong with that, nice to see items go brr anyway

phase 4 is where the real game starts hehhehh (i think)

[fallow magnet]

Yippee I got my coal power plant fixed

[cyan leaf]

Let's gooooooo now u can afk half the time lol

[hard ivy]

why'd you do that lol

[cyan leaf]

I already saw a glimpse cause I was looking at when nuclear power comes in and oh god

[last tartan]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1446983405228261446 does anybody know if i can destroy structures things like mercer spheres or somersloops spawn on?

[fluid sapphire]

nuclear power is entirely optional

[cyan leaf]

But but poowwerrrrrrr and it looks cool

[fluid sapphire]

sure, just saying its not the only option

certainly not what most would consider the default

[cyan leaf]

Ik lol as this is my first playthrough imma want to get everything at least onceee

[cyan leaf]

Then whats the default just fuel?

[fluid sapphire]

rocket fuel i would say

[last tartan]

i was hoping to build my space elevator atop this conveniently places hill, yet the mercer sphere had other plans and a nobelisk doesnt blow it up

[fluid sapphire]

you can get a lot of power from rocket fuel for a lot less effort compared to nuclear

[cyan leaf]

I assume rocket fuel is for the fuel generators?

[fluid sapphire]

its the best thing you can burn in fuel generators (return on investment wise)

[wicked nacelle]

The last tier of fuel is best for jet pack though. It you can just siphon off some rocket fuel to make it as needed

[gentle lion]

Really looking alt recipe is just as good or same as regular ? Seems more like I have x resources here thia would be easier at this location kinda thing?

Like I can get a a diff computer recipe

That is one item less than normal

But woukd have to be built by certain reaources? Or have to truck belt other things to somehwre else?

I may not be making sense and amped up lots of caffeine

[open swallow]

yeah, you sound like you're having a stroke

[twin helm]

my oh so organised conveyor system is descending to spaghetti mess 😭

[fluid sapphire]

an example what alternate recipes can do, simplify production lines, eliminate some types of inputs and introduce new ones

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=cmz805vpdYSUFYqrgO0i

sometimes they trade resource efficiency for simplicity

[hard ivy]

wow you somehow managed to get a whole number of pure iron refineries

[gentle lion]

Thata all iron? Lol plus water?

[fluid sapphire]

impressive, right?

yes, motors from iron only (and water, but thats free)

[sullen gull]

That's easy with clocking?

Oh, you're referring to on sf tools.

[gentle lion]

Holy crap I just noticed how many machines that was

[hard ivy]

tools doesn't do that though

[gentle lion]

West coast like where I am building with oil? Or further up

[sullen gull]

Realized too late. my bad.

[gentle lion]

I'm trying to find an area to do the heavy modular frame. I have the alt iron pipe recipe. So don't need a lot of resources

[fluid sapphire]

thats just the graph, i built it symmetrically, with some machines downclocked, so there are like maybe 40 extra machines added to this hehhh

[gentle lion]

You gotta post a picture of that

[grizzled lotus]

when you guys build blueprints for vertical factories how many smelters/constructors do you build? I was thinking of jsut blueprinting the floors and fill in the machines on a case-by-case basis

[fluid sapphire]

here

#screenshots message

[gentle lion]

That's awesome and insane looking

[fluid sapphire]

it took an unbelievable amount of time to get all the belts right, i havent bothered with anything like this since then

[gentle lion]

I gotta figure out how to use that tool better

[fluid sapphire]

not as wild as this though, proud of this one hheh

#streams-and-videos message

[open swallow]

I just want to say that I'm proud of my new turbofuel factory: #screenshots message

[grizzled lotus]

dude, that's like a city! I'm jealous

[grizzled lotus]

the jelly continues

[summer stump]

wait do we all get different advent calendars?

[fluid sapphire]

thats a single building lol, i never put in as much effort into anything else since, but i am glad you like it

[summer stump]

appearance, that is

[fluid sapphire]

lookin slick

[gentle lion]

Wow

[summer stump]

#1446901697413648424 message

[open swallow]

I'm considering building some architecture around it, but I haven't done that in a while. Stopped feeling worthwhile since the big mood hit

[summer stump]

this guy got a different advent calendar than me though

[hard ivy]

it looks like last year's?

[gentle lion]

This makes me think I have very little understanding of the game lol

[summer stump]

🤷‍♂️

[open swallow]

This is even the "simplified" version of what I was originally going to build... I was going to use diluted packaged fuel but it got too annoying in the early stages, so I went out and found more hard drives until I got regular diluted fuel

[strange chasm]

should i pick bolted iron plate or steel screws

[hard ivy]

I wouldn't want either

[fluid sapphire]

the core loop stays the same, you will just discover new pieces to play with

[strange chasm]

why is that

[fluid sapphire]

some of us are not big fans of screws

both of those involve screws

[open swallow]

This is definitely the hardest build I've done in Satisfactory... 4 fluids would've been nutty without color coding

[hard ivy]

because bolted plate is expensive. and so is basically every recipe that uses screws. so I don't use screws. so why would I want a recipe for screws when I'm making exactly 0

[summer stump]

im gonna wrap my hub in mark 6 belts full of plutonium fuel rods

[gentle lion]

.I'm making a fuel factory and it looks like shit compared to that

[fallow magnet]

Woh that’s cool what’s it make

[wicked nacelle]

“Expensive”

It’s iron.

[open swallow]

If I had to pick, I'd take the steel screws. It's slightly cheaper on iron

The bolted iron plate is the same shit but faster, iirc

[hard ivy]

and I could be using less iron by using a different recipe. and less machines. and power. so why would I use bolted when it's objectively shit

[strange chasm]

with bolted iron plate it seems like i would be using less assemblers but more constructors

im early game so screws are still needed currently

[fluid sapphire]

its a knot that pushes some aluminum ingots (about 1000?) and some copper ingots from my aluminum factory into my heatsink factory, about 5000 iron ingots to a train station, some iron to the motor factory above this - in total i think there should be like 8000 ingots going through there every minute - it doesnt itself make anything, just distributes

[open swallow]

bolted iron plate uses a significantly higher number of screws

[hard ivy]

only until steel

[strange chasm]

how does that get rid of screw needs

[brazen coral]

Some recipes replace screws entirely but I don't think you can get rid of them all together

[hard ivy]

you absolutely can

[brazen coral]

I think I still have one recipe that needs them until I find the alternate

[strange chasm]

i still need reinforced plates for things like modular frames, and i dont have any recipes to make those plates without screws

[cyan leaf]

The one thing I hate about space elevator parts is after u make them they are basically useless

[wicked nacelle]

You can but it’s a silly goal

[hard ivy]

it's really not

[fluid sapphire]

stitched plate, keep an eye out

[strange chasm]

alr

[brazen coral]

I mean it streamlines part more than anything, like making the oscillating computer, more throughput if you can get the oscillator made

[open swallow]

My favorite is stitched plates plus iron wire

[brazen coral]

I do use stitched plates. Those are good

[open swallow]

i think adhered iron plate is the cheapest on iron, with stitched a close second

but uses rubber

[fluid sapphire]

useful in rare cases

[brazen coral]

I have rubber production up currently but it's currently at my oil refinery factory and that's like halfway into the bamboo forest

[fluid sapphire]

i use coated iron plate in a spot because my iron budget was just a little short

[wicked nacelle]

The difference in real value between all the RP alts is close enough to zero to ignore

[hard ivy]

that's just a cope you tell yourself because you used the bad recipes

[wicked nacelle]

I have more important things to do than worry about iron

[zenith raft]

Hi, what is the channel to ask for help ?

[open swallow]

#1038092680493801533

[zenith raft]

thanks

[wicked nacelle]

Here for quick questions. The other place for indepth

[hard ivy]

Probably the one with "help" in the name

[wicked nacelle]

You’re welcome to ask here first

If it’s going to take 15m then you may be asked to move it

[brazen coral]

Right now I've almost completely replaced copper, but I don't think there's an alternate recipe for copper sheet that involves anything other than copper ore

And probably also copper powder

[fluid sapphire]

nope

[wicked nacelle]

Correct

Make steamed sheets and overflow to copper powder is the perfect way to use copper 🙂

[hard ivy]

There's no alt for sheets that doesn't use copper, but sheets themselves can be eliminated from everything other than building pipes

[reef basin]

you can, but there's no reason to do so

[hard ivy]

So you only really need copper for powder

[wicked nacelle]

Whether you want to elimante copper that is a different question

[hard ivy]

I usually find myself not using sheets for anything

[fluid sapphire]

what next, going to tell people that there is no reason to eliminate screws?

[wicked nacelle]

There’s not much use for copper and with pure ingots there’s a LOT of it

[strange chasm]

i assume there is enough crashes on the map if someone wanted all the alternate recipes for whatever reason

[reef basin]

yeah, you can get them all

[hard ivy]

There's 5 more than you need

[reef basin]

technically infinitely more

[fluid sapphire]

you probably dont want all of them anyway

[strange chasm]

oh i wonder what happens when you try and scan those 5

[hard ivy]

Crash sites? No. Drives, yes

[reef basin]

it comes back with "no rewards available"

[strange chasm]

no i dont imagine i would

[strange chasm]

how is there infinite drives

do they respawn?

[reef basin]

but having them all removes the need to search for the recipe you want to try in your next factory 😉

[hard ivy]

You can buy them

[strange chasm]

oh i see

[hard ivy]

Not that I'd say it's ever a good idea to buy drives, but you can

[wicked nacelle]

But it’s late game that they become buyable and they’re pretty expensive to buy more than a couple

But if you’re not looking up where they are you may not want to fully search the map for them and finishing up with some purchased ones can be a good choice

Three also a few recipes you just don’t want at all like the coal ones.

[hard ivy]

If you're smart about using them, radar towers can tell you exactly where they are

[wicked nacelle]

Yes I was referring to the time commitment and moving radars around to find stuff isn’t much faster if at all

But yeah they are at least fairly quick to just cover the map with to at least somewhat limit locations down. So you’re not searching somewhere with zero anywhere close

[summer stump]

hypertube cannon + object scanner is a goated combo for finding crash sites

[open swallow]

unrelateD: There's one thing this game does really poorly: dismantlement

[leaden turret]

looks at dismantle tool

whatchu talkin boot

[open swallow]

holding control and mousing over stuff only goes so far

I've got factories to disassemble

I want a reverse blueprint: being able to take an entire box of stuff and deconstruct it

[hard stump]

Trains still confuse the heck out of me 🤣 but ima still be l ignorant and stupid and do it

[summer stump]

theres a reason you're only allowed to dismantle 50 things at a time

[leaden turret]

blueprint dismantle mode already exists

[wicked nacelle]

if you want help setting them up right I'm bored and can do a voice chat / screen share with you

[open swallow]

I built it all by hand before I started using blueprints 😭

[wicked nacelle]

trains aren't hard once you understand them but getting there can be frustratinbg

[leaden turret]

if you're on pc, save edit, problem solved

[hard stump]

I’m on Xbox so can’t screen share. It’s just more or less in to stupid for this fake but I love it n🤣 I see all the videos of people having all these trains running and I’m like I want that

[open swallow]

Hmm, hadn't considered that. Does Satisfactory Calculator have a mass select tool?

[leaden turret]

yup

[wicked nacelle]

you can -- I've done it with people on xbox before -- but I don't know how they did it

[summer stump]

its a lot less resource-heavy to dismantle an entire factory when you don't actually have to render it

[last tartan]

now i must use 100% of my brain and figure out pro architecture

i have a foundation secured on the place i am to call my new home

[open swallow]

We've got a lot of train wizards in this server. If you post screenshots of your problem areas, we can help you figure them out

[reef basin]

tbh I'd just leave them existing, even a bad factory is better than no factory

imo there's never a reason to dismantle something apart from like T0 factories

[hard stump]

Its so far more or less just the setup of the stations that just idk why messes with my brain

[leaden turret]

https://support.xbox.com/en-MK/help/games-apps/my-games-apps/share-clips-xbox-one

[open swallow]

I need to convert all my oil production to more efficient forms

[wicked nacelle]

well I could share my screen if you wanted -- anyhow just let me know 🙂

[open swallow]

I want to reclaim the space too

[reef basin]

again though - why convert? just build new near other nodes

[hard stump]

Will do thank you

[leaden turret]

build up

[open swallow]

valid

[last tartan]

i think ive grown to like the ficsit foundation more

i always glazed the concrete skin with my life

[open swallow]

Last save I was all about basic architecture and concrete, but on my current save I really couldn't be assed, so I use ficsit foundation everywhere

No cool builds, just factories out in the open

I might change my mind, so I'm building them with that in mind at least

[last tartan]

do yall think small concrete pillars on corners is a good move? im no architect

[open swallow]

It's all subjective

do what you think you like

[summer stump]

sky baaase

[open swallow]

not aiming to do that this time around

I like low structures

[dim flint]

Anyone bored and want to help me think through the next stage of my world?

The factory calls to me again.

I'm currently tearing down some mess a friend of mine made, but the last thing I have to rebuild first is the singularity cell production for the portals.

[bitter lodge]

When it comes to train lines. Do yall place those first, or make them after you made the factories?

[dim flint]

I do first, but then I end up wishing I had them in a slightly different place and I move them.

[bitter lodge]

I am doing a fresh run, and I want to actually use trains instead of 500 belt highways ._.

[bitter lodge]

That sounds painful x), but such a mood. Like you set down foundations and bam...you didn't set down enough

[hard ivy]

Trains always last for me

[dim flint]

I usually know the first bit is just to get things going so I don't go to crazy and I put them out of the way. It's just to get materials in so I can test things.

[open swallow]

Used to be trains first, now trains last

[bitter lodge]

I am thinking of using trains mainly for resource movement

[hard ivy]

What else would you use them for 😂

[bitter lodge]

Not transporting any final product. I kind of do the stand alone factory vibe

[bitter lodge]

Final products like modular frames to wherever

[hard ivy]

Oh, you mean raw resources only

Yeah I mostly do that too

[bitter lodge]

Oh yes. Purely raw.

[hard ivy]

Maybe some rubber/plastic and alu ingots but nothing more complex

[bitter lodge]

Maybe this time I may finally finish phase 4

[thin wadi]

remembering the pain of heavy modular frames after having not played for so long

[hard ivy]

Unironically my favourite item to automate

[bitter lodge]

They aren't hard though?

[hard ivy]

Just don't use shit recipes and they're great

[bitter lodge]

HMF are kind of easy. I made a ton using iron and oil I believe

[hard ivy]

They don't need oil

[bitter lodge]

._. Oh then what the heck did I do

[glass pagoda]

I dont have any alts for them so instead of crafting by hand I just explored for a week and my lizard doggos got me the frames :3

[zenith pecan]

Flexible maybe

[bitter lodge]

I made them near my oil factory so I thought oil was used.

[bitter lodge]

Probably the recipe I followed.

[hard ivy]

Heavy Encased Frame my beloved 😍

[quick barn]

Is there a Ficsmas boombox tape?

[compact flicker]

Alternate recipes are the best

Heavy frames with just iron and limestone? Yes please.

[bitter lodge]

Can we transport fluids via trains?

[quick barn]

Packaged

[bitter lodge]

without packaging them of course. I don't recall, and no I can't check. only in phase 2 currently

[hard ivy]

Yes, either as fluids or packaged

Packaging requires half the wagons though

[bitter lodge]

packaging is such a pain with needing plastic o.e

[quick barn]

Unpackaged is real slow in throughout, that's all. Depends on what yer moovin.

[wicked nacelle]

what liquid are you packaging that's not near plastic?

[bitter lodge]

I am thinking of getting roughly 2k oil in one spot

again this way down the road.

[hard ivy]

Send the canisters back and it won't use any continuously, only a few thousand to start

[bitter lodge]

I still gotta progress through steel ;-; and the first steel factory is so terrible without that mk3 belt and mk2 miner

[bitter lodge]

._. I feel dumb

that is actually genius ._.

[hard ivy]

You know you can build the factory as if you had them and then just upgrade them when you do

[bitter lodge]

ya, but I don't like that doing that for some reason

[wicked nacelle]

but seriously the only liquid worth packaging is oil ... and you can make the plastic to do it anyhow even if you didn't send the empties back

[bitter lodge]

cause the entire factory just kind of feels slow and stuttering and i hate it ;-;

[hard ivy]

Nitrogen too. 8x compression vs unpackaged if you do it right

[wicked nacelle]

that's a gas -- the reason I differentiated is the need for plastic vs aluminum for packaging -- OP said plastic

[bitter lodge]

honestly, I can't wait for refineries

Why smelt the ore when you just mix in water and get so much more <3

[hard ivy]

I love refineries

They're like 1/3 of all of my machines XD

[bitter lodge]

For real!

One factory I had planned out needed a ton of iron ore, but I never included the refinery alt recipe. But after doing so. I ended up only tapping maybe like 2/3 of the nodes I was going to

[compact flicker]

Why cant stitched reinforced plate just have normal ratios 😭

[reef basin]

they have normal ratios? 🤔

[cyan leaf]

Holy crap phase 4 is a lot

[compact flicker]

150% speed makes 8.438 a minute, needs 28.125 iron plate, and 56.25 wire a minute.

[reef basin]

yeah, and that's not normal how? 🤔 just make 28.125/min and put it into the machine

[hard ivy]

Brother it's 10 plates and 20 wire to 3 RIPs. It's probably not even one of the 10 of the oddest ratios

[wicked nacelle]

stupid small quartz deposit looking like a mercer

[compact flicker]

But my 100% efficiency 😭

[reef basin]

that's easily reachable tbh

[hard ivy]

150% (and 250%) usually adds additional decimals so that's just your fault

[serene hull]

can someone ping me in this channel rq i cant find the server in my stack

[cyan leaf]

@serene hull

[hard ivy]

Dunno why you'd care tbh. The only practical benefit is a very minor power efficiency gain

[serene hull]

thanks

[last tartan]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1447013188485779458 Really like this look with the cables i did to hide that ugly underwall

[compact flicker]

Im not bashing the game design or anything I'm just saying having decimals going to the thousandths in a phase 1 recipe is a little difficult to work with sometimes..

[hard ivy]

It could be π√2 for all I care and I'd deal with it exactly like always do

[reef basin]

you have several choices of recipes (and you can clock machines to make almost exact amount you want)

[hard ivy]

Also, clock it to 80% and it's 1 decimal I think

[compact flicker]

Ty.

[compact flicker]

Ik

[last tartan]

I was honestly hoping that the "festive" skin for conveyors would have some garland along the sides, the conveyors just look peculiar to me

[leaden turret]

the belts always look weird to me, they have the wrong number of lights per segment

mk.1 has 3 lights, should have 1 light

[hollow onyx]

Is anybody else on nvidia using optiscaler? My game freezes randomly when I tab out

[leaden turret]

have you got hardware accelerated gpu scheduling enabled?

[hollow onyx]

Pretty sure unless updating to windows 11 disabled it

[leaden turret]

might be worth checking

[fallow magnet]

I feel that pain bro I couldn’t find a server once and only could see it from notifications on mobile but couldn’t change channels or anything cause it would back me out to main notifications, turned out it had a different icon and all lmao

[hollow onyx]

Alr I’m out of the house rn is it okay if I dm you once I can check

[leaden turret]

I have zero clue about optiscaler, I just know that alt-tabbing and fps issues the first port of call is hardware accelearted gpu scheduling.

might be worth checking in #1038092680493801533 or #off-topic-tech in case it's optiscaler-specific

[hollow onyx]

Ah gotcha thank you

[strong fiber]

I got 4/min modular frames les go

[versed cosmos]

That's a good start man!

[strong fiber]

Im in phase two im bouta start steel production

Any alternates i should consider before starting?

[versed cosmos]

solid steel ingot

1000% solid steel ingot

[strong fiber]

what recipe is that

like what does it combine

[versed cosmos]

it gives you more ingots per iron/coal and gives you nicer numbers to work with

gotta turn your iron ore into ingots first

that's the downside you need an extra production step

but you get more throughput and easier logistics for it

[strong fiber]

Thats fine i have plenty of space and power

I need encased industrial beams to upgrade my coal plant so i can double my production into 1800 mw almost

[versed cosmos]

i assume you have 1200 mw rn?

16 coal gens?

[strong fiber]

i have 900

[versed cosmos]

oh nice

i was gonna say go straight for oil but yeah maybe get some more coal power

[strong fiber]

I also need nobelisk so i can blow up the rock on the 4th coal node

[strong fiber]

I need more power to push me to oil so yeah

[versed cosmos]

you can get the resources to make nobelisks from crash sites

i would also suggest doing a fair bit of hard drive hunting cause youre gonna want to fill your library

[strong fiber]

I need black powder thats it

[versed cosmos]

oh nice just some coal and sulfur then

[strong fiber]

I got that

i have sulfur node brought over

[versed cosmos]

niiice

you could make compacted coal to expand your power

coal + sulfur

coal with better energy value so it burns longer and you can support more generators

[strong fiber]

I should be fine

If i need i can belt over a normal and a pure

Im making black powder

I got nobelisk but no detnator yet

Need beams rq

[versed cosmos]

when you build your steel make a lot of beams

versatile frameworks, the next project part, are very expensive on beams

[strong fiber]

I bought beams

[merry granite]

How do you build mini conveyor lifts going into manufacturers? they dont snap to mergers or splitters, thats how i usually make them

[hard ivy]

I don't. https://imgur.com/a/1Oz2P2V

[merry granite]

I think your conveyors might be slightly clipping

[strong fiber]

thats what i do fr

[fallow magnet]

I got my coal power plant expanded a bit to fully make use of the coal nodes there :D (pure and impure)

I have 5 double over clocked coal generators now i believe and 2 water extractors

[wicked nacelle]

unless you're really short on rotors that's an odd thing to OC

[versed cosmos]

power isnt an odd thing to overclock tbh

[merry granite]

i dont tyhink so

[versed cosmos]

doesnt have any of the usual downsides of overclocking

which is increased power consumption

[wicked nacelle]

it is when you're early game and likely short on shards... But I suppose if you went off and explored a ton

[fallow magnet]

I did the load balancing I think it’s called while it was already splitting 120 into 3 lines cause I learned you could place splitters and mergers in already placed line

[versed cosmos]

oh yeah i agree with that

[fallow magnet]

I’m not I have a lot I got like 50 sheds

shards* I did two big exploration runs

But yea didn’t have tons of room to make the stuff and also only had room for 3 water extractors, and if I did extra coal gens then it wouldn’t look as nice and it also made it a nice clean 30 coal per min which was easier to do for me personally

[pine patrol]

tell me why it took me all day to automate SEVEN HEAVY MODULAR FRAMES

[leaden turret]

🌈 math 🌈

[versed cosmos]

heavy modular frames are awful

[hard ivy]

Which recipes?

[versed cosmos]

i build my standard modular frame factory to have my heavy modular frame factory attached onto it lol

[hard ivy]

My favourite thing to automate out of the entire game. And I'm not even kidding

[versed cosmos]

10/min so i can just plug it into the default recipe

i love oil lol

you can always get extra power out of it and extra power is always good

[naive palm]

HMF hits that sweet spot where it's like

• great to have the alt recipes
• very few unique resources needed
• simple enough that it's not hard to get your head around the math
• difficult enough to feel satisfied in automating

[pine patrol]

the rubber one

[hard ivy]

That'd be why

[wicked nacelle]

not sure why anyone would do anything but Heavy Encased Frame - it's just so good

[pine patrol]

i wanted to try something else

turns out something else fuckin sucks

[naive palm]

It's good to experiment - but yeah heavy encased frame is simply excellent.

[wicked nacelle]

I guess the rubber one is more per minute per machine.. but that's a weak excuse for involving oil in the process unnecessarily

[hard ivy]

And screws

Plus, if you overclock, you can get more per machine out of encased

[wicked nacelle]

if you overclock them all it stays the same

[pine patrol]

i just used the steel screw recipe they were not that bad

[strong fiber]

Im making 1200 mw now

[naive palm]

I think I'm weird because I avoid screws at all cost. As soon as I can alt-recipe my way out of screws I do, despite the fact that cast screws and steel screws exist.

[versed cosmos]

Tbh I find hte ratios for heavy encased frames really strange

[hard ivy]

Until you get capped by your belt on the screw input. Which is 123% with mk4 belts and 200% with mk5

[hard ivy]

That's not weird, that's reasonable

[wicked nacelle]

you can easily use two inputs for screws

[pine patrol]

Acheivement unlocked “The begining”

[wicked nacelle]

beams are frames are 1:1

[pine patrol]

WAIT MEGAWATTS?

[strong fiber]

Thanks ig bro

[wicked nacelle]

oh at least in vanilla recipe

[pine patrol]

I MISSREAD IT

HOW MANY NUCLEAR PLANTS???

[hard stump]

Ok so the stupid in me is finally understanding a we bit. So really there’s never a need to do more then 1 train station. Other then maybe looks.
But per train really don’t go over 4 cars (not including the main train.
So my question now is with self driving enabled if you do more then 4 sense it changes how the train brakes and goes does that increase the risk of a accident even at junctions that require the train to stop? Or is the 4 car rule really so the player doesent mess up?

[reef basin]

1200 MW is like half of one nuclear plant

[pine patrol]

i might have mixed up megawatts and gigawayts

[strong fiber]

😭

[versed cosmos]

bro that 1200 is on coal power

[pine patrol]

idfk

[strong fiber]

Bro second guessed himself

[hard ivy]

48 at 1%

[strong fiber]

bro how many fkn alt recipes are in phase 2

[hard ivy]

A dozen or 2 probably

[strong fiber]

I rolled 5 hard drives havent gotten the solid steel ingot

[reef basin]

alt recipes aren't really decided by phases

[strong fiber]

My luck is just ahh

[versed cosmos]

they are though?

the ones you have access to are determined by what you can actualy access

[reef basin]

no, they are decided by unlocking schematics, which can be milestones in HUB, or research in MAM, or etc.

[hard ivy]

Technically they're decided by milestones and mam

[versed cosmos]

oh yeah

progression more generally

[versed cosmos]

you get a lot of recipes at this time and dont have the equipment to really get a ton of hard drives

what starting location did you choose?

[strong fiber]

The grassy fields

[versed cosmos]

i'd suggest running up to the rocky desert then

you can get a hard drive on the western coast and the oil islands further up

two in the rocky desert itself

[reef basin]

(or not unlocking new stuff if you want to get "old" recipes 😛 )

[strong fiber]

where the rocky desert like generally

[versed cosmos]

north

[strong fiber]

I havent claimed any alt recipes except iron wire cuz im using it

[hard ivy]

That's like the 2nd worst place for HDDs lol

[versed cosmos]

theyre easy early game ones

[reef basin]

personally I'd just get all the recipes 🙂

[strong fiber]

what resources do i bring to claim them

[white dawn]

In re: equipment, you can actually do pretty well for unlock costs by just scavenging from other crash sites, fwiw. Just have to not reflexively sink the more advanced parts. :). And at least temporarily setting mobs to peaceful/retaliate will remove another equipment gate

[versed cosmos]

i think you can get almost all of them with either nothing or the stuff scattered around

maybe one needs power?

just build a handful of biomass gens

[white dawn]

Not having a jetpack is indeed kind of annoying for HD hunting, though if you've unlocked power towers + Zipline, that will often suffice

(Or failing that, ladders/catwalks/foundation ramps)

[strong fiber]

Im bringing solid biofuel plus my regular resources i carry with me

[cunning lily]

Several do. I just unlocked one with a 150 requirement, and another with a 300 requirement.

[pine patrol]

yes and no. Its just you wont get something for crude oil ex flexible frame work before you get oil

everything else is good

[reef basin]

well, that's still just locked behind a schematic

[hard ivy]

Are phases schematics? I haven't seen them in there. But then again, it's not like I've been looking for them either

[versed cosmos]

@strong fiber https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map#3;50668;-160767|gameLayer|hardDrives

check the interactive map you can upload your save file to see what you've already got

[reef basin]

no, phase is not a schematic

[strong fiber]

I hope u know thats literally the exact website i just opened up

on my own to find them

[reef basin]

no recipe is unlocked by a specific phase anyway

[strong fiber]

And i realized my area has no hardrives bru

[gentle lion]

Huh so you can reload save on ps5 when you scan a hard drive a second time to see what else you get.

I assume you coukd create a diff save before you scan it also.

[reef basin]

you can do that anywhere, but honestly just get another drive

[pine patrol]

the green feilds?

idk the real name

[silk ocean]

Kinda how saving a game works xD

[gentle lion]

Oh I know someone had asked a while back I wasn't sure it would work on console.

I've been drive hunting usually ends with death deom falling

[pine patrol]

i think they mean they thought it was pre determined the moment you grab it regardless of scanning

[gentle lion]

I finally made gas mask so I can go by whatever those green things are called.

[reef basin]

they should make the reroll take 10 minutes as well

[silk ocean]

Yea most likely, tbh I didn't know that, never tried it to find out

[hard ivy]

Yeah, I know how recipes are unlocked and I've looked through some files in the UE Editor. I just haven't seen phases in there so I was wondering how they're handled. Milestones don't list their phase as a requirement either so it has to be the other way around (the phase lists its milestones as unlocks)

[gentle lion]

Yeah that some games are like that

[white dawn]

Well, it's technically rather inconsistent. Your initial recipe selections are determined the instant you start scanning, so savescumming prior to finishing the first scan doesn't work, whereas the rescan does

[silk ocean]

Gotcha

[white dawn]

IMO a bit of an oversight on CSS's part, though also clearly not a big deal. :D

[gentle lion]

So the first scan is set regardless ?

[white dawn]

Yeah

[hard ivy]

Once you start it

[white dawn]

(at least once you start scanning)

[reef basin]

hardcoded/in UI is also a possibility 🤷

[white dawn]

You could technically savescum that whole 10-minute scanning process but ain't nobody gonna do that. :)

[compact flicker]

Can also just savescum the reroll

:3

[reef basin]

yeah that's why I'd like to see reroll taking 10 minutes as well

[compact flicker]

..why?

[silk ocean]

Prevent savescumming presumably xD

[reef basin]

... to prevent the savescum?

[limpid inlet]

Bro why does ts game keep crashing

[limpid inlet]

It''s a singleplayer game

[reef basin]

like why would they want to prevent the savescum on first roll and then give us option to do it on reroll?

[reef basin]

and?

[limpid inlet]

also people would just save 10 seconds before it and then get the reroll anyways

[dense violet]

get mods

[limpid inlet]

It's no big problem

[dense violet]

use advanced game settings

[reef basin]

no, it would be decided at the start

like with the normal roll

and honestly if you want to savescum into a given recipe, just unlock it in save editor (and remove a hard drive if you feel like you don't want it totally free). It takes way less effort and time

[hard ivy]

I think the HDDs should just give you one random recipe. No choices, no rescanning

[compact flicker]

Its not a competitive game, and I want the alts that I want lol

[limpid inlet]

^

[reef basin]

then unlock them in a save editor?

[hard ivy]

Or ags

[compact flicker]

Note the "xbox" in my username.

[reef basin]

"it's not a competitive game, give me a machine that makes 1000/min of anything I choose"

[limpid inlet]

Yeah bro lets make an update for the 10 people who police savescumming and the other 99% of the playerbase who doesnt care

surely this is something important we all need

[reef basin]

I'm pretty sure that save files are possible to get from xbox

and AGS are on xbox as well

[silk ocean]

Can't you just take the save off the console drive and load it into an editor?

[limpid inlet]

This is a textbook strawman

[pine patrol]

i dont see why not but its probably a pain

[silk ocean]

Never used a console so was more of a question

[gentle lion]

Like.no man's sky has diff game modes , perma death, survival , regular, and creative where everything is unlocked. Which is nice for non pc players

[compact flicker]

If you're advocating for AGS then why is savescumming any different lmao

[limpid inlet]

wdym "?" it is objectively a strawman argument

nobody is talking about some 1000/min machine

[unkempt blade]

you definitely can't do it on the Switch

...because they chose not to release it there

[reef basin]

because AGS you choose to do so and marks your save as AGS-ed

[silk ocean]

Normally if you just unlock everything in a game it takes the depth out of it

[pine patrol]

No? The other person is making an ilogical arguement and they are calling them out for it

[compact flicker]

And this matters why?

[leaden turret]

are people XKCD-386ing again?

[reef basin]

because that's for people who want to "cheat" in their games 🤷

[compact flicker]

Its not that deep man

[limpid inlet]

Their argument isnt asking for a 1000/minute machine, it's about how making an anti-savescumming update is buns and that they want the alt recipes they want

[unkempt blade]

yeah but who are we supposed to be impressing by not cheating in a sandbox game?

[reef basin]

it's not though

[limpid inlet]

the people competitively playing a game would probably have to record their gameplay, and the people who aren't are playing the game how they want

I don't see how a reverse qol update isnt buns

[reef basin]

I don't see where I asked for a reverse QOL update

[limpid inlet]

^

[compact flicker]

How about, its a sandbox game that we'll all play however we want because.. Its a singleplayer sandbox game. If you don't wanna savescum, then don't, if you want to, then do it. Nobody else is even moderately affected by anybody's in game choices.

[limpid inlet]

are we deadass

[unkempt blade]

I think they should remove blade runners to increase difficulty

[leaden turret]

got a bit of a vocab problem here, what does "buns" mean in this context?

[limpid inlet]

low quality

[reef basin]

yeah, I'd like to see it in the game. I'm not asking them to do so, I'm not putting it on QA site to gain traction

I'm simply saying that it would make the game more consistent

[leaden turret]

ah, equivalent to the britishism of "pants"

[pine patrol]

its consistancy its not anti QOL thats like saying adding an animation for scooping water in a survival game is anti qol bc it takes time and makes it consistant

[silk ocean]

Last time I checked buns is the plural for a bread roll

[leaden turret]

-# for context, 🩲 not 👖

[limpid inlet]

10 minutes for a reroll and a 3 second water animation is different

[pine patrol]

not really

[reef basin]

consistency in related parts is different from anti-QOL

[leaden turret]

mork & mindy finger straw or gtfo

[limpid inlet]

The ten minute reroll is fine, and wouldnt it make just as much sense for the harddrive to have additional data on it?

the extra data being the reroll

[pine patrol]

now im confusee

[leaden turret]

Nobody else is even moderately affected by anybody's in game choices.

You're forgetting that some people take great offense at how other people have fun, especially when it doesn't affect them

[reef basin]

afaik the story is that you're given reward from ficsit for analysing the drive, I don't think the recipe is actually on the drive

makes more sense that way with the reroll

[limpid inlet]

Wouldnt ficsit give you the alt recipes in the first place for maximum efficiency?

[reef basin]

how is me simply saying that it would make the game more consistent affecting you in any way?

[leaden turret]

I would clarify further, but the #rules specifically say "• Don't expose people publicly or attempt to stir up drama."

[unkempt blade]

These are canonically magnetic drives from the 90s. We'd be lucky if they could hold one ripped album on there much less extra blueprint data

[reef basin]

same reason why they don't give you full tech - you need to prove you can handle it I guess

[leaden turret]

high redundancy

[pine patrol]

i think it makes more sense having the data on the drive like think its not JUST the materials and output the drive is storing its the process on how to do it with ficsits various machines

[reef basin]

yeah but how do you explain:

• that you get recipes based on your current progression, no matter which drive you pick
• that you can reroll the info

[pine patrol]

Okay yours might make more sense

[leaden turret]

opinion: on PC, save file editing is quite easy, so I always found it weird when people would savescum to reroll, buuuut on console it's not as convenient, if it's even possible

[compact flicker]

It is not.

[leaden turret]

reroll changes weren't made with console players in mind

[reef basin]

afaik I've heard someone say it is possible

[sullen gull]

I look at it as the initial 10 minutes is running a full decryption algorithm. The "re-roll" is just all the data that decryption found, but selecting one destroys the other. (I think it says that somewhere even)

[compact flicker]

They were incorrect

[reef basin]

well, that doesn't explain the "you only get recipes of your progression state"

[unkempt blade]

I mostly just judge people more for not being willing to try different recipes. Variety makes the game interesting

[leaden turret]

googling suggests there is a valid technique, buuuuuut it doesn't apply to satisfactory

[reef basin]

or you don't know of the way they were talking about 🤷
but I can't comment onto it since I don't own a console and don't remember who said it anyway, just saying that someone said it's possible 🤷

[dense violet]

Come on cart, you know there's only 1 meta in the game 😛

[sullen gull]

Because if the milestone isn't unlocked, you have nothing "in the database" to compare the decryted data to . Hence why it tells you when there are no more recipes available 🤷‍♂️

[unkempt blade]

if I can't get my perfect recipe loadout on the first set of unlocks I'll drive this explorer straight into the void with both of us inside it!

[sullen gull]

Also, just making assumptions as well fyi

[leaden turret]

the solution I'm seeing here is:

• buy game on xbox
• buy game on ms store
• cloud sync w/ gamepass ultimate nonsense

which does not apply to satisfactory because it's not on the ms store

[dense violet]

and you'll use that load out in every situation even if it causes you great pain! BECAUSE ITS THE BEST

[compact flicker]

Xbox doesn't give you the freedom to edit saves outside of what is allowed in the in game settings.

[limpid inlet]

tbf you have to use unsavory recipes at SOME point so it doesnt matter

[dense violet]

sounds like those are savory recipes at those points 😛

[limpid inlet]

nah, just don't make the item, trust 🔥

[sullen gull]

Is there no way to browse and upload files on consoles? (Don't have one, recent one, hooked up)

[unkempt blade]

Is it even worth playing if it doesn't give me cast screws on my very first drive? I think not!

[compact flicker]

Nope

[limpid inlet]

bro fuck screws

[dense violet]

screw screws you mean

[leaden turret]

#satisfactory message

[reef basin]

I may be misremembering, but afaik someone mentioned xbox app can download saves or something

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/nacho-why-confused-jack-black-gif-8714598

[limpid inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ballin-mars-bars-gif-19910027

[compact flicker]

Iron wire and stitched plate my beloved

[limpid inlet]

^

[reef basin]

you don't fuck them, you make them 🙂

[dense violet]

Steel Screw + Bolted Plate 😛 goes BRRRRR

[sullen gull]

It's not a fail, I'm well aware they don't embed...

[compact flicker]

7000 throughput belts required*

[unkempt blade]

I believe in you. One day you'll be an enlightened screw enjoyer

[dense violet]

you make the screws right before the machine

[limpid inlet]

Never.

[compact flicker]

Still gotta go from machine to machine

[unkempt blade]

just make a BP for it

[dense violet]

this uses bolted plate + bolted frame and steel screw

Input 36 parts per min, outputs 10~ frames pm 😛

screws included https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1425811234363801732/1425812876182163496/image.png?ex=693612f8&is=6934c178&hm=18d73ad2a1180ed6a02f7dec8e202355018733ead860ebd31c1c5e13b17c82f5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1318&height=1025

there's also like.. .1000 screws pm in hte middle of course

maybe less, this is a pre 1.0 set up

I made a post 1.0 version that was a little bigger but bigger output though

[leaden turret]

last dev stream of the year next week, might be worth asking on-stream if they're going to make any changes to console version specifically to accommodate the lack of save file editing

[reef basin]

not really, you make screws in front of the machine that needs the screws

[compact flicker]

Machines are connected with belts

[reef basin]

and don't require 7000 throughput if built in the way I said 🤷

[unkempt blade]

like a poster in the hub with a cat dangling on a clothes line that says "hang in there"

[leaden turret]

consoleation prizes

[sullen gull]

I wonder if moving satisfactory to a USB on xbox 🤔 would allow save edits :

[bitter lodge]

if you are worried about belt speed when it comes to screws. You should be able to handle any screw recipe with at least mk2 belts?

[unkempt blade]

but only for console, we PC users don't need motivational posters because we can edit in SCIM

[leaden turret]

#satisfactory message

[leaden turret]

#satisfactory-memes message

[hard ivy]

If you underclock it a lot, sure

[compact flicker]

I think SCIM is the thing I'd want most out of all the things PC players can use

[bitter lodge]

ya I just looked up screws, and only one that doesn't fit would be steel screws...

but even then, mk3 belts can handle steel screw output?

[reef basin]

there's one recipe needing screws that needs mk4 belt, anything else is mk3 at most

(assuming it runs at 100%)

[bitter lodge]

steel screws is 260 per min produce, and mk3 belts are 270

steel screws is the highest screw output

[last tartan]

what do you guys do for a second floor? probably just going to use a 1m foundation.. not sure if there's some better way

[reef basin]

needing

aka recipes that require screws

[bitter lodge]

2m foundation for all foundations so it snaps to the world grid. 1m for any ceilings cause its thin :>

[sullen gull]

I do 2m, so i can hide wires and such

[leaden turret]

I stick it under the third floor, usually.

[bitter lodge]

but also I leave a 5-6m gap for logisitics to go between

[sullen gull]

But, I also do two layer floors for logistics

[languid marlin]

Was this a typo or do mk3 belts actually go at 270?

[reef basin]

they do go at 270

[hard ivy]

Only 2/7 recipes using screws fit on a mk2 belt

[languid marlin]

Is the description wrong then?

Or am I misremembering

[reef basin]

what description?

you're most likely misremembering

[bitter lodge]

I was thinking of screw output only, not thinking recipes that requires screws x-x

[hard ivy]

Mk3s do and have always done 270

[languid marlin]

The in-game description I thought says it moves items at 240 items/minute

Huh

[last tartan]

im just dillydallying personally, not too sure what im going to do. It's merely a small kind of "homey" factory and i have plans for the glorious elevator https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1447045161694527608

[reef basin]

usually I'd recommend clocking the screw machine to make screws exactly as needed by machine, so I mention recipes needing screws rather than making screws

[languid marlin]

What the heck

[unkempt blade]

it's nearly perfect, it just needs a lizard doggo

[languid marlin]

Where'd I get 240 from

[bitter lodge]

personally, I will avoid recipes that requires screws.

[reef basin]

your choice obviously, but I wouldn't recommend avoiding them just for the sake of avoiding them 🤷

[bitter lodge]

60-120-270

[last tartan]

ive seen one west of me, i shall go fetch the laddie

[bitter lodge]

tier 1 to 2 is a double. tier 2 to 3 is a double and a little extra

[bitter lodge]

I don't like working the logistics of them.

[languid marlin]

This is world shattering

I've been playing the game wrong

[bitter lodge]

Plus alt recipes not needing screws tend to be better for my factory designs

[reef basin]

fair, but it's kinda the tutorial part of the game where it teaches you how to deal with high-throughput items, as you'll need that in the future anyway (wire and quickwire have the same "issues" (which are not really issues) that screws have)

[languid marlin]

Oh so a mk3 belt can feed 6 foundries easily, that makes sense.

[reef basin]

and making screws 1:1 is usually pretty easy

[sullen gull]

I'll take 5 mod frame/min anyday 🙂

[unkempt blade]

the trick is to do aluminum ingots => aluminum beams alt recipe => steel screws alt recipe so your screws are as fancy as possible

[hard ivy]

Would be nice if it was double all the way through

[bitter lodge]

ya my first playthrough I dealt with them, but this is my third world third attempt to finally finish phase 4 so I kind of already know what to expect early game

[reef basin]

tbh I liked the 60/120/270/450/780 we had back in the days 😄 wasn't so blunt and repetitive 🙂

[bitter lodge]

I like the little extra :>

[languid marlin]

The 780 from mk5 belts makes me want to cry

So I agree

[reef basin]

again, completely fair. I just see tons of people spreading the "skip screws" mantra without actually knowing anything about that 🙂

[unkempt blade]

I agree. It really should be 770

[languid marlin]

It used to be 450?! Then you can't overclock miners!

[hard ivy]

1. There never was 450/780
2. It was 450/660 (🤮)

Patch 0.1.15: Increased the capacity of Mk.4 and Mk.5 belts from 450 to 480 and 660 to 780 items per minute respectively.

[reef basin]

yeah. We also didn't have mk6

[bitter lodge]

probably cause its painful

[languid marlin]

I remember not having mk6, I joined update 5

[unkempt blade]

and we had to build conveyors up hill both ways between the miner and factory!

[languid marlin]

I love satisfactory full release

[reef basin]

it's only painful if you make it painful

[bitter lodge]

I always feel early game with no alt recipes is painful

but I could be wrong, I am still working my way through it. Though I am unlocking all alternate recipes. Every tier/Phase/unlock. I am dumping harddrives.

[white dawn]

Yeah, it's nice to "keep up" with the hard drive selection, for sure. :)

[reef basin]

early game you have two consumers:

• rotors (needing 100/min, which is 5 screw constructors to 2 assemblers)
• RIPs (needing 60/min, which is 3 screw constructors to 2 assemblers)

I wouldn't call either of those painful

[hard ivy]

Everything with no alt recipes is painful

[bitter lodge]

but steel rotors are easier, and cheaper?

and idk what rip is

[reef basin]

steel rotors are more expensive

[bitter lodge]

reinforced iron plates?

[reef basin]

yeah

(and also, you said "early game, no alts")

[ocean frost]

The issue with screws is all the good recipes just so happen to remove them.

[fallow magnet]

What do you mean by consumers?