satisfactory

[leaden turret]

"if shit not working, use the other type of signal"

[lucid pagoda]

are we supposed to get two data cartridges from day one?

[glass pagoda]

Hey we have cheese. We have a huge cheese vault in the ground no joke

[whole drum]

Apparently you haven't heard of the underground bunkers full of govt cheese, lol

[spark sky]

Is that what you got?

[dire tapir]

but block at exit of a junktion or entrance

[sullen gull]

Well what the hell you call "American Plastic Cheese?? 😏

[lucid pagoda]

i opened it once, then i was able to open the same one later for the same reward

[leaden turret]

see #off-topic-general

[glass pagoda]

I call it dogshit

[sullen gull]

Yes, read "through" the line mate 😛

[whole drum]

My fav cheese is Swiss, tbh

[glass pagoda]

My favorite cheese is bean cheese from beans in game

[dire tapir]

you mean American ~school~ cheese

[lilac heath]

Gouda above all >>

[dire tapir]

basic aaa

[sullen gull]

Havarti or bust 😏

[leaden turret]

☝️

[lilac heath]

Im biased because it's my local cheese

[dire tapir]

but they do 😉

[wicked willow]

Good advice

[glass pagoda]

Guys do not open the "totally normal gift"

[wicked nacelle]

on a different save yes. On the same save no (from what I'm hearing) -- sorry that was super late

[glass pagoda]

Bro I just got nuked

[spark sky]

Oh, thanks.

[glass pagoda]

Don't open the totally normal gift

[gentle lion]

So not everything is listed in the smart splitter ...sad

How,can I sort everything

[dense violet]

anything you've unlocked? sure

[gentle lion]

The bacon thing isn't listed

[spark sky]

Huh? What totally normal gift?

[gentle lion]

Nor purple power slugs

[dense violet]

rsearch themn I suppose

[spark sky]

Oh, wait, I know what you're talking about.

[dire tapir]

im about 4 hours in building my world train network made it from the Golden Coast to the top of the Dessert then largescale Capitalism can start

[spark sky]

That might be considered a spoiler.

[wicked nacelle]

you're building it out 2-track highway system style right?

[dire tapir]

yeah right hand drive cos im not weird

[wicked nacelle]

nobody likes a weirdo 🙂

[dire tapir]

Imagin driving on the left

[wicked nacelle]

only if you're on an island

[dire tapir]

imagin that

ewwwwww

[wicked nacelle]

just went hoverpack exploring on my newish save. I now have 86.77km of power line vs 18km of belt and 5 of pipe. lulz https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1445211654777344080/image.png?ex=692f85bd&is=692e343d&hm=4c2df8aa509cb502e537cea40409307b70963511c42d52a56e6cc259f741f123&

[sour ledge]

i've developed a habit of every now and again, when building stuff... going into photo mode and decoupling the camera so i can see the scale of what im building vs, well... me. Jesus, everything is so big...

[wicked nacelle]

once you get hoverpack the entirety of building changes - at least for me

everything before that is just punishment

[sour ledge]

yeah hoverpack is lovely. truthfully i dont mind building without it too much though... to me the 'punishment' phase of the game is just the start before i have automated power and blade runners

[wicked nacelle]

well that's EXTRA punishy. but really doesn't take that long.

[sour ledge]

... at least the blade runners let me jump a splitter.... having to jump the belt to jump up to the splitter is cruel...

[upper yew]

why cant i play the game

it keeps crashing

[whole drum]

You on Win or Linux?

[upper yew]

Win

[whole drum]

Check your graphics drivers?

[upper yew]

ive legit dedicated my time to update every little bit of my pc but still crashes when I try to create a new world

[whole drum]

Tried any compatibility modes?

[upper yew]

nope? whats that

[whole drum]

It tries to run the game as if through an older Windows framework

[upper yew]

howd i do that?

[whole drum]

Steam?

[upper yew]

ive never tried doing that, is there more info on yt?

[whole drum]

I mean are you playing it via Steam or some other platform?

[upper yew]

yeah steam

[whole drum]

Okay, in your library, right-click on the game and select Properties. Then on the left side are a series of tabs. Select Compatibility. You may have to check the box to unlock the drop-down menu, but you should be able to select other versions.

[upper yew]

well theres no compatibility menu, i just got the game i feel like my pc is capable of running it idk why it cant

[whole drum]

I'll send you pics so you can see what I mean

Nice, seems to be working

[wise junco]

howdy yall - anyone used the programmable splitters a bunch?

[white dawn]

Dunno, maybe requires a reload from the main menu?

[white dawn]

I use them pretty frequently to make more compact sushi handling

[wise junco]

perfect! can I pick your brain for a quick second?

[white dawn]

Of course, ask away (and also always just go ahead and ask the real question; generally quicker that way. :)

[languid fog]

I'm seeing weird behaviour when trying to connect two of my rails between blueprints. I designed the blueprints to require a 6m rail to be manually placed between them. Sometimes I'm able to place them, sometimes the game says it's too short. Anyone have any idea why this might be happening?

https://i.imgur.com/1GbgkzS.png

[wicked storm]

does anyone know if crossplay will be available ever?

my only friends are on xbox 🙁

[wise junco]

I believe I have my own first use case for actually using them - always engineered things for smart splitters vs going more complicated.

I have a sushi belt that I've concocted in my munitions factory... rebar, explosive rebar, shatter, stun, and nobelisks. I have all the outputs being merged into a sushi belt. What I want to happen is a series of program splitters wherein splitter A will split off regular rebar to a DD, until full, then that overflow will be passed down the line... program splitter B would take, for example, explosive rebar, and do the same thing... where the final output would be all the overflow.

That said, if I have the "main" belt line just keep passing the overflow AND the item not being passed to the DD in that cycle, is that the ticket?

Hard to explain - if easier, could draw

[halcyon kite]

Happy Ficsmas y'all! Just in time for me to start a new playthrough and not have anything setup to run a tree factory in this world. lol

[wise junco]

Happy Ficsmas!!

[eternal kelp]

Hey guys. I’m really new - is T2 completion in under 3 hours okay? Or am I going to fast

Oh my god I’ve been playing for 8 hours.

Oh my god.

[wise junco]

Don't even worry about speed! It's about the adventure

[eternal kelp]

It’s a little confusing. But overall is itching parts of my brain I didn’t know could be itched and a very enjoyable experience.

[halcyon kite]

So, my ugly way of going about this was always to smart splitter off the items I wanted from the Sushi, then have a secondary smart splitter set to overflow those items either back onto the sushi, or onto a secondary sushi setup to Sink everything. And each item would overflow splitter onto that Sink Sushi.

[dense violet]

.. I don't see why you wouldn't just use a smart splitter for that.

[eternal kelp]

Watching my limestone travel into my constrictor is peak dopamine

[halcyon kite]

One of us, One of us, One of Us!

[wise junco]

am I overcomplicating it?

[dense violet]

doesn't sounds like you need multiple commands for outputs on there unless I misread it?

[dense violet]

well... did you need multiple commands? I couldn't see where you would

[wise junco]

it looks like I need the main belt like needs to be any undefined and overflow

[eternal kelp]

Man, I’m just scared of you guys. I’m over here with my little iron and limestone miners. You guys got trains and massive buildings

[dense violet]

just over flow.

[wise junco]

unless any undefined on a smart splitter will also overflow?

ooo

[halcyon kite]

Just setup a secondary sushi for overflow and sinking purposes.

[wicked nacelle]

Overflow is undefined unless undefined is another path. Overflow is anything that doesn’t have another valid and immediate route

[wise junco]

GOT IT

I didn't know overflow worked like that

[eternal kelp]

What I’m failing at understanding it how to keep everything neat. - I know first play through, don’t worry about it n stuff but if it’s not neat I won’t wanna play it.

But then I can’t seem to understand how to make nodes I’m using across the map look neat on my main buildings.

[wise junco]

thank you for clearing that up guys, that was a fundamental misunderstanding on my part

[dense violet]

no sweat.
I've honestly never heard a use case for 'any undefined' .

I'm sure it probably exists but I've been trolling through SF stuff for years so it must be VERY niche

[halcyon kite]

Look, I'm not proud of the amount of time I've put into this game as a non-content creator... Because it's disgusting. I couldn't tell you how Trains work, or even how to set them up. My worlds turn into these massive highways that I can drive around, because it's fun, with giant belt systems beneath them transporting goods around the world.

[eternal kelp]

Like a node 150m away is gonna look so ugly coming all the way to my main

[eternal kelp]

Man U have to transport stuff later?

Oh I’m gonna lose so much time of my life.

[dense violet]

mostly it's just practice and planning. The more yo ubuild layouts the more sense of space you ahve

some people have a higher sense of space than others naturally and it's easier for them, others just need more practice to catch up

[halcyon kite]

Oh you sweet summer child. There is a whole world to explore.

[eternal kelp]

I have over 1000 hours In rocket league. Car football. Think about what this game is gonna to do me…

[dense violet]

part of that is planning location and recipes around it 🙂

[eternal kelp]

All this for me to not like football. Makes sense.

[halcyon kite]

And building factories in set areas because you either A: like the aesthetic, B: have a plan using resources in that area, or C: just thought it would be funny. lol

[eternal kelp]

This is very helpful. Thank you. I thought about maybe searching up a guide on where to start like specifically on the map but decided I was going a bit ahead of myself

How big is the map? I’ve not really been able to grasp the size yet.

[halcyon kite]

Yes.

Really though, I think it's like... 4km in either direction? 5km? I'm not familiar with metric.

It will feel both too big, and too small, all at the same time. And if your computer can handle it, turn your graphics up, get the ambience going, and just enjoy exploring, building, automating, and being a menace on a planet that is all yours.

[cyan leaf]

Fff im stick between whether or not to hunt for turbo fuel alt recipe that uses hor

[halcyon kite]

That answer is always yes. Don't be silly.

[dense violet]

it has very niche uses - poor oil efficiency. Why did you want it?

[cyan leaf]

Cause im on the fence with uses turbo fuel for fuel generator but idk if its worth going for its alt as i got a decent sulfur node and coal setup for it

[dense violet]

imo, Heavy Turbo is mostly useful for an ammo factory. It has bad oil to fuel results

just get diluted packaged fuel and you'll be better off turning your HOR into that

[halcyon kite]

Or just head down to Crater Lake and not really care about what you're spending resources on when it comes to the fuel types. That place is such a monster once you can get away from Gold Coast.

[wise junco]

not that you guys needed it, but confirming overflow was the ticket. thanks for the mega clarification everyone

[white dawn]

Heh, had to run AFK right then, sorry. :D Sounds like you got your answer though

[eternal kelp]

Hey guys. I’ve completed the last phase of Tier 2. But it’s not giving me the option to begin T3. It just says nothing selected even when I try select it

[wise junco]

sure did!

[white dawn]

But yeah: from what you described, just regular Smart Splitters is enough. One output is the item, the other output is "Overflow," and overflow leads either to the next one or the sink. :)

Programmables are just nice when you want to send multiple items down a single path

[last flint]

hello, does anyone when is satisfactory plus mod with multiplayer coming ?

[halcyon kite]

Last Phase of Tier 2? The Space Tower or the upgrades in the computer?

[white dawn]

Anything you can do with a Programmable you can also do with a series of Smart Splitters + some Mergers; they're mostly just there to help save space

[eternal kelp]

The upgrades. Do I need to build the space tower to go to T3

[white dawn]

The modding discord would be the better place to ask that, btw

[wise junco]

makes total sense. i just didn't realize "overflow" meant "literally anything else that won't move in the other paths" which simplified it like crazy

[raven axle]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @white dawn

[halcyon kite]

Ah.... yes... Space Tower is love, space tower is life, stare forever at the space tower install.

[last flint]

thank you

[eternal kelp]

1500 wire…

[white dawn]

Yeah, for quite awhile I'd thought I needed both an "Overflow" and "Any Undefined" output, but Overflow implicitly includes Any Undefined

[eternal kelp]

Sigh.

[wise junco]

the more you know!

[pine patrol]

how do you make more than one custom swatch?

[eternal kelp]

I think I’m sick. I keep going hot n cold.

[white dawn]

You don't, at least in the vanilla game

I think there may be mods which expand the swatch abilities

[eternal kelp]

That’s not good. Anyways. Have a nice rest of ur day/night everyone. Take care 🙂

[pine patrol]

that sucks 😭

[cyan leaf]

Yeah I have the diluted thats why I want to avoid using hor outside of crafting

[halcyon kite]

The factory must grow. Welcome to the game.

[cyan leaf]

Oh ik that's where my main power grind is but I want to branch out using it

[pine patrol]

whats even the point of having a dedicated section CALLED CUSTOM if you can only put one on

[dense violet]

the swatch? it means if you ever change the custom swatch things painted with it won't change with it

[white dawn]

You do at least have the other 16 swatches, which you can customize to your heart's content. They've got the feature where if you update the swatch, everything painted with them on the map will auto-update with your changes. (As opposed to the Custom Swatch, as CobaltOfDoom said)

I agree it'd be really nice to have more, and as I say, I think there's even a mod which does that

(And you can also alter the top "default" swatches to suit, so technically you've got more than 16. :D)

[pine patrol]

why not merge said swatch into the default section its just missleading having its own section makes it seem like you can have multiple custom swatches that wont change if you change that one

[halcyon kite]

Yeah, I generally have a super basic diluted fuel system on Gold Coast, along with a basic Rubber/Plastic/HomingBullet/FuelPack, and then I turn Crater Lake into a Rocket Fuel... And then the Swamp turns into Nuke City.

[pine patrol]

i was color coding pipes but if i cant save another one the other pipes of the same fluid are going to be like 15 differant shades

[white dawn]

I won't argue that it's not misleading, but having it in its separate section does make sense, since it behaves differently to all the other swatches

[halcyon kite]

Pipes can be annoying because you're either overwriting basic swatches, and remembering to never use them again, or you're not color coding at all.

[white dawn]

For every other swatch, updating the swatch just magically changes everything in the world that was using the swatch; the Custom Swatch doesn't.

[lunar python]

What if we could rename swatches 😭

[white dawn]

Yeah, that's long been another desire of mine. :D (I believe there's a mod for that, too, fwiw)

For now I just rely on my little text file to keep my swatches straight. :D

[cinder jay]

how do i remove someones body that was in my world but they left

[whole drum]

Kill it

With fire

[leaden turret]

🧟

[cinder jay]

oh

[quartz loom]

Thats fine. I generally try not to rush tier two because it is easy to think you have enough production for the upper tiers but you dont

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> ficsoween should spawn random pioneers to get loot from 😛

[glass pagoda]

Guys do not open the "totally normal gift" it is a bomb

[whole drum]

You don't need to build it all in tier 1. You just build it as you need it.

[leaden turret]

you mean the thing that looks like this is a ? 😛

🎀

[quartz loom]

its always from the end of tier two I think I have enough stuff to make it through tier 3 and I never do. It usually ends up in a rebuild.

[whole drum]

I wish I could attach bows to the nobelisks. Would be so much more fun to throw at the goddamn spiders.

[quartz loom]

I swear some of them just love to be blown up.

[leaden turret]

you can craft snowballs

[quartz loom]

I forget snowballs are used with the detonator.

[fallow lantern]

how do i unlock the xmas research tree?

ive collected like 700 presents and thought that would have unlocked it or something

[leaden turret]

🗓️ in hub

then M.A.M.

[fallow lantern]

got it. ty

[leaden turret]

(I mean it should be in the M.A.M. anyway, but still gotta check in each day for prizes / cartridges etc.)

[fallow lantern]

what does the number thing mean

[leaden turret]

it's an advent calendar

treat it like one 😛

[wicked nacelle]

open all of them immediately when no one is looking?

[white dawn]

(In case you're unfamiliar with an advent calendar: there's one door for each day in December leading up to the 25th, and if you're playing by the rules you open one per day and get a little treat (chocolate, little LEGO, whatever). For the FICSMAS event, the number-hunting is part of the game; real-life ones generally don't try to hide where the doors are. :D Also, you can open all days up to the current day, so you don't have to like play the game each day to get your rewards. Could start doing the event on the 25th and have access to everything right away)

[leaden turret]

mildly annoyed that editing the source for a forward message does not propagate to the forwardings

[fallow lantern]

is 1 supposed to be the hardest or am i blind

[leaden turret]

@obsidian zodiac shitposting idea: youtube short/instagram post where you demonstrate how to use an advent calendar by... eating all the chocolates

[leaden turret]

there's a hint thing there for a reason :p

[white dawn]

There's a little text box at the bottom where you can put in a number and get a hunt, btw, if you are stuck. It can sometimes take awhile to find numbers, for sure

[fallow lantern]

hints are cheating though

[white dawn]

They're often good at hiding the numbers in ways where your eyes kind of glaze over them. Like a line that you thought was just dividing two things turns out to be part of the number and such

And then your mind kind of subconsciously decides to start ignoring that area of the picture, etc

brains, amirite?

All ocular processing systems not being helpful sometimes

[cunning glade]

Did they change crashed ship loot?

[quartz loom]

It is highly recommended that you do not set your time forwards to finish the events any more. I can't remember the resoning apart from it ruins the event but I remember last year that devs were telling us not to.

[cunning glade]

I swear it was always the same

[white dawn]

It's been the same for awhile; I'm not aware of any changes to it since 1.0, anyway

[cunning glade]

Well I didn't get any reinforced iron plates and I got 1 super computer from the northern forest ship

Never got a super there before

[white dawn]

When was the last time you looted it? :D

I think that they did get updated sometime around, like, Update 7 through 1.0, though I honestly don't remember the specifics

Obviously they touched the crash sites in general to add in the deconstructability, so it might have been then

[cunning glade]

Like a few months ago

[white dawn]

Ah, okay. AFAIK no changes since then.

(But hey, maybe I'm wrong about that. :D)

[solar apex]

Could a pc with ryzen 7 7445hs and rtx 4050 run satisfactory

[leaden turret]

if nobody responds in here, check in #off-topic-tech

[cunning glade]

I mean it'll run it idk how well

But with frame gen and dlss u should be fine

[solar apex]

Im fine with low settings

[cunning glade]

Also u can play on low the jump from low too high us pretty big

I think at 4k I doubled my fps

[wicked nacelle]

yes

Satisfactory with a normal build to the end of the story will run on basically anything on low enough settings

[spark sky]

Some custom power poles with integrated priority switches inside the "transformers". #screenshots message I have blueprints for each pole.

[wicked nacelle]

and with any open world build you can bring the latest and greatest PC to its knees if you try

[wicked nacelle]

that's sexy. too bad the game doesn't make power simulation interesting

the extent of useful power systems is a bank of offline power storage

[spark sky]

Even so, you can use these to isolate parts of the power grid.

[wicked nacelle]

right but that's not useful once you have power storage.

and you can always just cut a power wire anyhow

[spark sky]

I guess that depends on how you're building. Even with power storage you can end up depleting that before you know it if you just built a large facility and didn't consider the power needs.

[wicked nacelle]

yeah that's why you have a bank of offline power storage. that's the solution to every worst case power problem

[spark sky]

So, I guess I don't understand how that gets turned on when needed.

[wicked nacelle]

you use a single smart switch to connect it then you can drop down a smart switch wherever you are and toggle it on/off

if you have 30 minutes of offline storage there basically isn't any problem you can't fix in that time period after you realize you dun screwed up

[spark sky]

Part of the idea here is role playing. If you don't role play, then I guess you do whatever you do.

This facilitates turning off production you don't need, or perhaps adding some reserve power plants now that they are needed.

[wicked nacelle]

I just solve the problems with the tools I'm given -- and it turns out that power really isn't much of a problem because it's an incredibly simplistic model

I've TRIED to figure out how to make power an interesting challenge and it turns out it's not not in the game.

[spark sky]

All the same, I try to route power lines without clipping into or through machines.

Thats why I came up with a blueprint for power connections through floors, too.

[wicked nacelle]

I think we talked about that. I just use a double wall connector through the floor but you can use two single sided wall connectors to make it look a little better

[agile grotto]

Can you transport more than 1200/min on train? In theory can you do 2400/min?

[spark sky]

The problem with using the double wall connectors through the floor is two-fold, 1: they don't connect to the top/bottom of the floor, only to walls and beams, 2) if you do place them on a beam, they don't stick out of the top and bottom of the floor equally, thus my blueprints.

[wicked nacelle]

not 2400 but like 2200 for 500-stack items

because the freight platform locks out during docking

!wikisearch freight platform

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=freight+platform

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch Train throughput

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Train+throughput

[wicked nacelle]

the numbers are in there

[agile grotto]

Got them thank you

[spark sky]

Yeah, a bit of a refresher: #screenshots message

[novel crag]

#story-spoilers message

Someone answer me here please

[fallow lantern]

is there a dimensional depot that can automatically download things?

[novel crag]

Not sure but can you check this and answer me if you know #story-spoilers message

[quartz loom]

There is a rock in the way

[novel crag]

How can i breack it?

[quartz loom]

You need explosives

[kindred crater]

I made a 240 copper node make sheets, coils, and cables
Its the prettiest factory ive ever made

[onyx moth]

🌚

[ivory arrow]

anyone wanna play satisfactory?

[warm plank]

Accidentally just hit "Remove All" on my death crate as I was just trying to run through a gas field to reclaim it. Did I just delete my inventory?

[quartz loom]

Yeah you did unfortunately.

[iron tide]

hello, just curious, why is ficsmas timegated?

[lucid temple]

did that once, not a nice experience

[warm plank]

That is a horrifically designed UI option

[quartz loom]

Its part of the entire advent calender. 🙂

[lucid temple]

we live and we learn

automated power shards for the first time today (also blew my fuse and had to spend 30 mins getting my system back online)

[quartz loom]

Can say I have hit the remove all before was not fun

[iron tide]

☹️

[white dawn]

Might be too late now, but always remember that there's autosaves (unless you've disabled them, of course)

[lucid temple]

I need to fix my power problem soon. I'm only producing 28 GW while automating power shards. 😂

[quartz loom]

This guy over here is running GW while I am still running in MW 😂

[white dawn]

Heh, yeah, that does sound tight for T9, especially if you're doing the optional stuff like power shard automation. :D

[lucid temple]

🤣 My power grid is all kinds of messed up... I'll post picture in #screenshots, its bad

[white dawn]

The megawatts eventually add up! You'll get there. :) 1GW is relatively easy to hit once you've got coal going

[lucid temple]

Speaking of that... blew fuse again

28600 MW while consuming 43000

[gentle lion]

I thought my 3gw was good lol

[lucid temple]

Man seeing these machines take 20 GW breaks my heart

[unborn nova]

what is the ficsmas holiday about?

[dense violet]

productivity

[gentle lion]

A machine takes 20gw ! Wtf lol

[dense violet]

it doesn't have to, but you can set it in such a way that it does at peak

[lucid temple]

I could go expand my fuel plant. I'm turning oil -> fuel -> rocket fuel, could use a bunch of alternate recipes and get to 100 GW fairly easily, but wheres the fun in that

[gentle lion]

I love ADAs snarky comments whenever you pick up the presents

[quartz loom]

So I thought the mesurements changed when you hit GW. They do not. Im scared of my factory wanting 14gw with everything running when I only produce 6GW

[lucid temple]

Thats with somersloops + 3 power shards tho

[white dawn]

Heh, yeah, overclock+sloop on a Quantum Encoder or Accelerator when you've got a tight power grid == you have created your own problem. :)

[gentle lion]

Ooooooh I unlocked the x2 In the mam ..but used all my sloops ☹️

[quartz loom]

You can always take sloops out of machines

[lucid temple]

I have removed power shards from every machine and somersloops for right now while I figure out where to go from here. I want to start nuclear power soon, but I think I need more power to actually start the nuclear power lol

[white dawn]

Heh, yeah

[gentle lion]

I have none to take out lol I literally don't have any

[white dawn]

One reason why I keep such a close eye on my power grid. Whenever I get to like 2/3 or 3/4 used, I make my next project "build more power." :)

[lucid temple]

My project was "ignore power grid, get to phase 5 and have more fun" not realizing I only had 28 GW. My other save wasnt even done with milestones in phase 4 and had 100 GW in fuel, so I could just redo that here but.... I like living life on the edge apparently 😂

This is my first time in phase 5 tho... I only played for around a month now

[gentle lion]

My next power project starts tomorrow

2 pure oil nodes and 2 normal probably use a setup a buddy showed me. Shiuld add quite a lot of power when done. And lots of byproducts

[white dawn]

Could spin up some more basic Fuel to get you through, of course. Or a lot of folks do like Rocket Fuel for endgame power, too, which I think has a lower spin-up cost, powerwise

[quartz loom]

I need to get someone with more hours to come look at my factories and tell me how to optimise them more 😂

[white dawn]

(Personally I prefer Nuclear at scale, compared to Rocket Fuel, but RF is fun regardless)

[gentle lion]

Is it worth using the petroleum coke.to make more coal gens?

[lucid temple]

I currently run rocket fuel but can't figure out why my output is struggling so hard. It was doing fine before I switched to the alternate RF recipe

[dense violet]

just sink it, use regular coal

[white dawn]

If you're still in very early oil processing (without alts, and without fuel gens unlocked), and you've got Coke as a byproduct and nothing else to use it on, then yeah, it's convenient to shove that into some coal gens

It'll make early-oil factories net-power-positive, even!

But that's a lot of conditionals on there. :)

[gentle lion]

I'm getting ready to setup up around 10 to 15 fuel gens tomorrow

[white dawn]

I personally definitely wouldn't produce coke as a power solution itself

But if you've got some spare, and nothing else to do with it, a bit of extra power could be nice

[quartz loom]

I also would not produce it for a solution

[gentle lion]

No I was just playing around with a setup and it was one of the byproducts

[last tartan]

what might be the optimal method to collect FICSMAS presents?

[quartz loom]

Run around like a headless chicken?

[white dawn]

Yeah, it's the usual endpoint byproduct for early oil. :)

[last tartan]

why I love this idea! I shall begin now

[white dawn]

I actually do really like spinning up some coalgens using my first oil setup; it's nice having that little factory for "free"

[last tartan]

despite the 7 assignments due tomorrow

[quartz loom]

I assume this is your first time doing the event?

[last tartan]

it is, my first year of satisfactory

[white dawn]

Like I'd personally rather send it to coalgens than just sinking it. Though one might be of the opinion that power and production are best kept separate

[lucid temple]

I wonder if the problem with my fuel setup is that I send the fuel up like 15m and produce rocket fuel there. But, theres pumps so im not sure if im doing something else wrong

[last tartan]

i was lucky enough to purchase the game before it hit 1.0 and got the golden nut

for my building device

[gentle lion]

Thee setup my friend showed me was 10 refinerys off a 240/m oil, 4 rubber 4 plastic 2 fuel, which runs 4 fuel gens

[quartz loom]

Welcome to the game and Merry Ficsmas! it will be mostly running around for the first part of the event. I wont say anymore because spoilers. 🙂

[last tartan]

sounds good! one question, i dont have to attend every day to get pieces of the advent calendarr right?

[lucid temple]

Is the nitro rocket fuel recipe even better? Feels like thats my main problem

[quartz loom]

No you don't you can just log in every few days to get them

[white dawn]

For making power generation specifically, btw, I'd generally recommend just dedicating one or more oil nodes specifically for fuel, rather than combining it with, like, rubber+plastic production

[last tartan]

sounds good, thanks a bunch!

[white dawn]

Whether that's just vanilla-recipe fuel or fancier things beyond that, your future self will appreciate having more fuel gens active. :)

[lucid temple]

Hmm i think my problem might be too many refineries. I'm only needing 400m of fuel but enough refineries to produce 1000m (but not enough oil, probably because pipeline limits to 600? not too sure anymore), not sure if that'd be bottle necking anything lol

[white dawn]

Power's the one thing that, IMO, it always pays to overbuild (so long as you're having a good time overbuilding, of course)

[gentle lion]

Lol well I'd have to figure out how many fuel gens coukd run off a 240/m

[lucid temple]

Would me running too many refineries that oil is constantly at 0 be the reason why I don't have enough fuel, even though in theory I should be producing enough?

[white dawn]

Nitro Rocket Fuel is simpler but I believe technically more resource-heavy. (Nitro's also available a lot earlier than the vanilla recipe, which always feels weird)

It's an extremely popular recipe due to the simplicity

[lucid temple]

Thats exactly why I hunted for it. My previous save had a massive setup to produce it (not really massive, but massive in comparison to now)

[white dawn]

For that kind of question, a #1038092680493801533 post with screenshots of your piping arrangements plus all the details is extraordinarily helpful

But yeah, if you're not providing enough resources for the machines which are hooked up to something, some of them will starve. :)

[lucid temple]

Wait why do i have power shards in these refineries, I just math'd it, 100% on each one would be exactly the amount of fuel needed. Found my missing power shards.... 🤣

[white dawn]

mk1 pipes have a throughput limit of 300/min, and mk2 pipes have a throughput limit of 600/min. If you were trying to send 1000/min through a single pipe, that's definitely not enough

[lucid temple]

I swear factories work til you walk away

[lucid temple]

That would be my main problem then, I need to fix this

[white dawn]

If you do decide to go for the full 600/min throughput on mk2s, note that there's some relatively specific building techniques which can really help make that stable

[last tartan]

ADA has to be one of my favorite "video game characters" of all time

and she needs some christmas spirit

[white dawn]

What I personally nearly always do nowadays, btw, is that instead of combining Fuel output at all, for every machine that's producing Fuel (or Turbofuel, or Rocket Fuel, whatever), I pipe that directly to the exact number of Fuel Gens that that amount of fuel supports

[umbral flame]

how to i go down on the hoverpack while in build mode

[white dawn]

So like I don't combine the outputs up to my pipe limits; rather I've got sort-of modules which are more isolated from each other

[lucid temple]

I would most definitely be smacked if I posted my piping, this is horrible piping (cant see where anything goes) and I dont even remember building it, I need to rebuild it

[lucid temple]

That would be a more ideal approach IMO

Oh my god I found the issue... Theres a mk1 pipe right before going into all my mk2

[quartz loom]

It is the C key on PC

[white dawn]

I like it because it also makes debugging and such so much easier. If there's a problem, it's a relatively tiny pipe system to diagnose

And it's not gonna be anywhere near approaching your pipe limits, so stuff like sloshing is just never gonna be a problem; can generally pipe them rather naively

[lucid temple]

I was opening each pipe to see which ones arent filling and noticed a mk1 thats coming from my oil itself..... so trying to use 600m of oil with a 300m pipe.

[umbral flame]

not doing anything, normally its ctrl but while in build mode that is for something else

[white dawn]

Heh, yeah, the sneaky mk1 pipe has killed many a system. :)

[white dawn]

In case you've changed any of the keybinds, it'll be whatever the key for Crouch is. Can check that in your game settings

[lucid temple]

The factory worked fine when I built it...... (probably because I let all pipes fill before hooking up the fuel gens to my power grid)

I should be able to build even more fuel gens, if this fixes the issue

[white dawn]

Good luck! If you do decide to go for the full 600/min throughput, make sure to watch it carefully for awhile. If you have problems sustaining 600/min, post in #1038092680493801533 and folks should be able to help out.

There's various behaviors of the fluid system which start to really make themselves known as you start to push that limit

(I don't feel like pasting the gigantic chunk of text at the moment, but the usual 600/min advice can be found here: #satisfactory message )

[lucid temple]

Thanks! I'm gonna see if it sustains itself before resorting to that

Feels better when it works without actually researching it XD

[gentle lion]

So does the 240/m oil correlate to the 40/m fuel that the refineries create ? I've confused Mt self so much

[lucid temple]

Refineries are starting to fill up oil slowly... one by one. So far, so good

I'm going to be upset if 1 mk1 pipe caused my entire power grid to not work

6/10 refineries are full 😄

[gentle lion]

Or.can someone just tell.me.How many fuel refinerys and gens I can do off a pure oil node

[lucid temple]

Pure oil node with a fully O/C extractor is 600m of oil per minute. That is 400 fuel/min with 0 alternate recipes, so 20 fuel generators (each one burns 20m fuel per minute). You could easily triple this number with some alternate recipes and extra machinery, thats just the base I would assume

My power grid is stable! @white dawn Thank you for the guidance

Rocket fuel is actually backed up now, so I knew I shouldve been making enough lol

[gentle lion]

Ok thanks , I only have it overclocked to the first level so 300/m , and I only have mk1 pipes that limits it as well roght?

[lucid temple]

Yeah 300m is the limit for mk1, I'd say 10 generators

[gentle lion]

So 5 refineries ?

[lucid temple]

Yeah

[gentle lion]

Sounds good thanks.

[lucid temple]

No problem

[gentle lion]

Those eat up a good chunk of at least one Gen on their own lol

More than one actually lol

Maybe I.shoukd find more computers to unlock turbo fuel lol

[narrow canyon]

You spelled rocket fuel wrong.

[dense violet]

you spelt nuclear wrong

[gentle lion]

I'm teir 5/6

[dense violet]

You'll get there 🙂

[gentle lion]

Man that's gonna be a lot of resin lol

[lucid temple]

This is where an awesome sink is your friend

[gentle lion]

Yeah I need to redo some stuff with splitters and make a few sinks.

[ivory condor]

Hope your turning all your oil into HOR first🙂

[gentle lion]

Why would I do that ?

[ivory condor]

wha your not👀

[lucid temple]

Using HOR would increase the amount of fuel you can produce

Thats why I said before the numbers I said was the bare minimum, and with other recipes can be easily tripled.

[fallow lantern]

is it worth making batteries and if so how many is a good number?

[ivory condor]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=IYNgtKaHJE3XuBVfGDF3 example, 300 oil can be turned into 800 fuel, via turning it into HOR first, because 400/min HOR is combined with diluted fuel, turning water essentially into fuel, giving huge efficiency for the amount of oil used, because water is essentially free

[lucid temple]

Expanded power grid to 36 GW and can still place more fuel gens for the amount of rocket fuel I produce. Crazy that 1 mk1 pipe was my entire problem

[ivory condor]

btw without the HOR recipe, making 800 fuel would require 1200 oil, thats how much efficiency you are losing by not turning oil into HOR first

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=iWkqdka7L3qHW52PgBDp

making fuel straight from oil is very bad efficiency wise, your losing alot of fuel you can be making by not going HOR first

[white dawn]

Cheers! Glad it's going well

[lucid temple]

I even expanded to 36,000 MW and rocket fuel still backing up. But gonna let it sit for a while then expand more to make sure things are smooth

[fallow lantern]

im working on turning my excess turbo fuel into 11,000MW atm

[gentle lion]

I don't think that's loading right for me can you post the visualization in screenshots?

[ivory condor]

turbo fuel is in a odd place now with 1.0, because its essentially only really good for turning into rocket fuel, if your going mass scale fuel for power, turbo fuel really just isnt the play anymore

turbo fuel can also be decent for small scale, but past a point, if your going above a certain scale, your probably already looking at going rocket fuel, because its just that much better and overall better use for turbo fuel

[fallow lantern]

could i not go from turbo to nuclear?

or is rocket fuel needed for an inbetween

[ivory condor]

no rocket fuel is more if your going mass scale fuel for power, if your looking to use it a step towards nuclear power, its fine

turbo to nuclear is perfectly fine, im more talking about going hundreds of fuel gens here, going turbo fuel for those setups basically makes no sense, aka you would be looking at rocket fuel

[gentle lion]

@ivory condor Ahh I see it now I don't have blenders yet

[fallow lantern]

i plan to move to nuclear soon then use my turbo fuel for drones and other stuff

[wise junco]

you can also find diluted packaged fuel, used in refineries

[ivory condor]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=o0jHP5GVmbYsTllQ4M61 refinery recipes also exist

does require packaging water and dealing with empty canisters, but you 100% can do it before blenders, its just more complex for the machine setup

[wise junco]

very worth imo

[ivory condor]

considering its 1:4 more efficient for oil usage, yeah it can make alot of sense to do that, if you have the refinery alts

[gentle lion]

So I'd have to figure out how to get the empty containers

[fallow lantern]

just sneak out some plastic with all the refineries youll already have

couldnt you also recycle the containers after theyre used?

[ivory condor]

empty canisters, easy enough you make them in constructors, its unlocked in tier 5 also

[sour ledge]

aw... ada stopped throwing shade when i pick up random presents. i was hoping she'd be audibly annoyed for the whole month

[ivory condor]

and you only need set fixed amount, so you prefill the entire system with enough empty canisters to keep to keep it running and its good to go

[white dawn]

Heh, in last year's event that was more or less the case for awhile, but player feedback caused CSS to dial it back a bit. :)

[ivory condor]

yes its 100% self contained, canisters are always recycled, so you only need a set fixed amount to keep it all running

[gentle lion]

That tools.is saying I need 600 oil a minute to make 800 empties Id have to use both my pure nodes overclocked to 300 just for that

[ivory condor]

prefilling the entire canister loop is basically all you need to do here

[sour ledge]

yeah i guess i could see how after a whole month it could get old. wonder if there's a mod to restore it until i get annoyed by it tho...

[fallow lantern]

i still need to redo my plastic and rubber production to incorporate the blenders

i kinda just forgot about it

[median geyser]

I feel like Im not really using trains properly 😂 From the frequency I see them discussed I expected them to be this miraculous solution to all my item moving needs, but thus far, setting up the lines has been a total misery, and I really only use 1 train (I have 2 locomotives running my tracks, but one is just a test loco with no carts making sure it can route to all stations at all times).

Almost every time I go to move items, I reach for drones, or belts if it's not terribly far. I feel like I don't really get trains, or see their use?

[ivory condor]

Ahhh just to make the first batch you dont need that much, remember canisters are never used, they are always emptied and reused in the setup

[white dawn]

The effort cost for setting up good train rail is definitely quite high; that's really the main downside for trains. You've gotta put in the time to both learn how to use 'em and how to build rail. Once you're used to it, building rail becomes quite easy (if possibly still time-consuming), at least.

[ivory condor]

its a self contained loop, you dont need to keep making empty canisters for it to all work

[fallow lantern]

first thing i did was make a 2 lane ring road around all of my factories, slapped in a couple roundabouts at stations and junctions and they just do their thing

[sour ledge]

realistically, drones reduce the need for trains considerably. basically you pick which one you wanna use a lot of: drones or trains. Drones are easier, but throughput can get annoying as fluff if you want to move say, raw ore around or anything in huge quantities really

[white dawn]

The biggest upside to trains is the near-infinite expandability of the rail network. One section of rail that serves a single route when it's put in can end up carrying a staggering amount of throughput as more and more traffic gets on your network

[gentle lion]

So setup a empty system filla storage container first?

[white dawn]

But that said: yeah, if you've avoided setting up trains for most of your playthrough and you already have drones, it is difficult to argue with drones' near total lack of required infrastructure

[sour ledge]

but once you get good with dual rail trains you can (relatively) quickly expand it to every single base - even the brand new ones in tier 8 will be effectively connected to bases from tier 3.

[white dawn]

Even if you do need higher-throughput routes with drones, you can always just throw more drone ports at it

[sour ledge]

yeah

[ivory condor]

yeah find some plastic you can steal somewhere to make the empty canisters with, should be pretty simple

[sour ledge]

that said, i do recommend everyone build a serious rail network for at least one playthrough

[fallow lantern]

i think they make my world look cooler

[gentle lion]

Hmmm I'll try to see if I can figure that set up out.

[white dawn]

The other major advantage for trains (IMO, at least) is that you've suddenly got a real nifty passenger transport set up essentially for free. :)

[sour ledge]

just because there's nothing quite like looking over the horizon and seeing your huge ass rail network dominating the view... any factory is dwarfed by the sheer size of rail infrastructure since you build it over the whole map...

[fallow lantern]

and i like trains

[ivory condor]

you can even setup the empty canister production where your making the fuel, because you only need a fixed amount anyways, so it would be fine to steal oil from that, to get the batch of empty canisters you need

[white dawn]

Want to head over to a factory on the other side of your map? Just plop a train down, set the schedule, and you're off! And enjoying the nice scenery along the way. :)

I'll often actually have dedicated "passenger rail" stations set up at my factories so I can go dock there without having to worry about interrupting cargo deliveries

[gentle lion]

How do you recycle them?

[sour ledge]

my last playthrough i actually baked a high speed hypercannon network into the bottom of my rail blueprint. So it was elevated rail, but i could also outrun my trains by jumping into cannons. It shot me to the next intersection, where i picked the next direction i wanted to go

[median geyser]

My biggest issue thus far with trains is item sorting. The stations feel horribly limited for something that is intended to be a multi-purpose stopping point. For example, I have a 3-cart loco that runs from my oil field to my main base. It does its thing, taking various products back and forth. Now Im trying to add a new station to my track, and have rocket fuel canisters sent to a new factory across the plains, but I cant figure in my head how to add that input to my station without completely screwing my oil line

[sour ledge]

it was fun but still couldn't compete with the set-and-forget of just building a passenger train

[ivory condor]

packager does all of the work, it empties all canisters its fed and turns them back into empty

[sour ledge]

i solved that by just using single-car trains exclusively because i agree the trains inability to stop at the right distance to position the freight car is annoying.

[white dawn]

I tend to do side-stations essentially like this: #1443060596886077540 message

[fallow lantern]

sushi belts work nice if you have high enough level belts

[ivory condor]

it would be at the step where you unpackage the fuel, that will return all of the canisters that were used, you can see that in the tools layout

800 packaged fuel is sent in, 800 empty canisters is recycled back, no lose on empty canisters, aka its a 100% self contained loop

[median geyser]

So basically you get new stations for every item

[white dawn]

Or every route, yeah; I may certainly have a train which comes in with more than one item (either sushi'd into one car, or in separate cars)

[sour ledge]

bingo. blueprints speed it up immensely

[median geyser]

Its not the factory side sorting thats my issue, it's the limited ports, shared inventory, and mixed car lengths of the stations :p

[white dawn]

I definitely never touch an existing route once it's established

[gentle lion]

Ok

I'll try it out tomorrow

I was making plastic and rubber just to try and figure stuff out.i have a bit if each

[white dawn]

If you do have a destination where you might want that kind of expandability, it definitely helps to arrange your inbound rail in a way which facilitates the later expansion, of course. :)

[open swallow]

a different station for each item or combo of items on a train

[last tartan]

hey folks, where do you suggest i should build my megafactory? I was hoping for something new rather than here (as shown in https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1444862844553134222) And I'd like to hear some recommendations from you guys! I was hoping for a nice looking spot in the general NE area..

[white dawn]

That kind of side-station plan makes it pretty easy. (I don't always do exactly that, but it's a good template to start from)

[median geyser]

Right... and after all this headache, and realizing I need to build new junctions and/or stations for each item, taking up massive amounts of space, never mind the headache... remind me again at what throughput point drones start to fail/take up insane space?

[white dawn]

For a true "megafactory," it honestly doesn't really matter. You're gonna have to be importing material from all over the place anyway, so IMO just pick somewhere scenic that you'd like to be staring at for the next hundred hours or so. :)

[sour ledge]

yeah typically once i make a new factory ill connect its output to the rail and name the station something like "Computers1 Out 20/m" Then the receiving stations will be "Computers1 In 15/m" and "Computers1 In 5/m" or whatever - makes it very easy to 'search' my rail stations and see what items i have available where

[last tartan]

I was really thinking about this desert-y area up north that has lush greenery, high cliffs and waterfalls but now I'm thinking of this new looking redwood forest I'd just found

[median geyser]

If you go west of the location in your screenshow, theres a little rock formation that juts out from a giant waterfall over a void. Would be a hella cool spot with the waterfall in the background

[sour ledge]

(Computers1 is so that if i make another computer output somewhere, it's easy to differentiate and know how much is being taken from where; computers2, computers3 etc.)

[last tartan]

ahh, with the caterium deposit? I've been harnessing oil from the general west coast

[sour ledge]

If you're doing a megafactory i vote paradise island. There's nothing there, so you'll have to import everything but on the upside there's nothing there so you don't have to accommodate the local resources for your layout

[median geyser]

No, farther west. I dont think there was a deposit on the one I found. I can provide co-ordinates if you want?

[last tartan]

that sounds great, I should be able to find them

[median geyser]

-1350, 2430

[median geyser]

How can you split the 20/min into 15 and 5 respectively using the rail system? Or does that not matter and you just have buffers at each factory?

[sour ledge]

buffers at each. so long as the recipients can only consume the right amounts it'll work itself out, manifold style

[median geyser]

Sinks OP

[sour ledge]

you can still sink, just put the sink where you build the computers

so if the buffer at the Out station is full it sinks

[median geyser]

Oh I assumed thats how you handled excess beyond the buffer

[lunar kayak]

So, question: when you've gotten the setup for, say, Phase 2, gotten all that done, and now on phase 3, do you all build a whole new setup and leave the previous one alone, or do you try and belt/truck/whatever the finished materials from the phase 2 setup to your phase 3 setup, wherever you end up putting it?

[sour ledge]

yeah, every station gets a sink because i get distracted way too easily. If there wasn't a sink keeping my factories busy there'd be hours and hours and hours where the whole factory was just backed up doing nothing...

[median geyser]

I might be weird but I dont see a still factory as a bad thing. It just means all my buffers are full, and so is my dimensional storage

[sour ledge]

I usually leave it alone, but with a caveat: I'll powershard things up one 'tier' to make use of the new miners. So like, if I had a starter base building plates/rotors/etc. from tier 1 miners, later when i get the shards/mk2 miners ill throw 2 power shards in every single machine in that factory to get 'em up to tier 2 standard

[gentle lion]

I only have mk1 pipes will thst affect the water input ?

[sour ledge]

nah i get it - i'd go insane because i wouldn't be sure if my calculations were off or something or if it was just full, but i understand not everyone has the obsession lol

[dull pine]

Is it normal that I got nothing in the ficsmas calendar 2 Dezember for me that’s why I l asking

[median geyser]

I just havent made anything so complicated yet that I cant quickly check all my buffers and see that's why nothings moving 😂

[sour ledge]

ah yeah see the thing about it is once you have a dual rail network, there's no reason for your newest factory to not draw parts from old, very distant factories. Several different factories, at that.

the game can't render far enough for you to see it all at once lol

[clear aspen]

WE EVOLVE BETOND THE PERSON WE WHERE A MINUTE AGO! LITTLE BY LITTLE! WE ADVANCE A BIT FURTHER WITH EACH TURN! THATS HOW A DRILL WORKS!

[median geyser]

I currently one have 3 factories, thankfully, and they are all self-sustaining

[sour ledge]

Is that gurren lagann or is there a new drill thing

[clear aspen]

Gurren lagann

But there are drills in satisfactory

[last tartan]

is there aerial devices in satisfactory?

[sour ledge]

thank god - im not sure i could handle there being a new gen z drill thing

[clear aspen]

Drones

[white dawn]

You should be able to open the Day 2 door on the calendar so long as your local system clock says Dec 2. It's possible that you might need to actually load your savegame while it's Dec 2? Like if you play "through" midnight maybe it won't open? (Though I'd thought that that wasn't necessary before)

[last tartan]

hoping for something to speed up exploration

[last tartan]

when do i get those

[clear aspen]

Nah just peak anime

[clear aspen]

Nuclear age

[white dawn]

Though Day 2 does not give you something to help unlock more MAM stuff; it'll just be a little item for you

[last tartan]

lol im on phase 2, yikes

[dull pine]

Ok I will try it

[sour ledge]

are drones really unlocked with nuclear? I'll admit i usually put off building nuclear power as long as possible but i coulda sworn i got drones way before...

[clear aspen]

They’re the same stage as nuclear

[sour ledge]

daaaaang

[clear aspen]

Phase*

[sour ledge]

well if it makes you feel better they are much, much easier to get going than nuclear even if they're in the same phase 😂

[last tartan]

fair point but I've still got a long ways to go towards phase 3

matter of fact I haven't started

im still trying to find a good place to call home

[dull pine]

Didn t work I m trying to close and open it again

[lunar kayak]

ahh, I already set them up with t2 😄

[sour ledge]

honestly, trying to make a true 'home' base is way more difficult than just accepting that you're gonna have to expand over the map

[median geyser]

I'm still torn between switching to nuclear and expanding my rocket fuel power supply. The only real thing stopping me is that I have a massive backlog of debt to work on (a rail network, train stations, changing my power lines from poles to towers, taking the early game items out of my starter base and giving them each small dedicated factories, etc)

[sour ledge]

ill do the miners in T1/T2 with shards, but ill leave the machines empty so i can scale up later lol

[median geyser]

Seems like a huge undertaking to get into nuclear stuff

[last tartan]

i just want a dope spot

thinking the west coast somewhere around here

[dull pine]

Can some one spoiler me what the 2 day of ficsmas gave you guys

[wispy charm]

Does anyone have an idea of what the best ratio of aclad aluminium sheets to aluminium casings is?

[sour ledge]

really they're not so bad once you've done it once, but they require so many otherwise-unrelated parts and enough liquids that they if you don't have the infrastructure you're gonna struggle

[median geyser]

So Im in for a bad time if I don't do all that housekeeping first?

[sour ledge]

honestly i can't give you anything like a ratio but i can tell you that in almost every playthrough I find myself frantically building additional aluminum plants for casings, and only occasionally for sheets, so you... you want a lot of casings.

[dull pine]

Do you need to open the calendar exactly 24h before you can open the second door

[ivory condor]

you'll need about 3 mk1 pipes but it should be fine

[dire tapir]

do like 50/50 for storage and then produce ass you need

[sour ledge]

essentially, yeah. the fuel rods just need enough different materials that if you don't have a good way of getting the products into the same spot you're gonna have a rough time. If you've got good battery production going for a solid drone network you'll be fine tho, or again the dual rail network

[ivory condor]

800/min water is a odd number to do cleanly with either mk1 or mk2 pipes

[dire tapir]

2x 400 ez

[median geyser]

You guys use batteries for drones?

[gentle lion]

Oooh so it's 1 to 1 between packager and refiner

[eternal kelp]

What Teir and what phase of that tier should I actually build a main factory on my first ever play through

[clear aspen]

Don’t believe in yourself
-# finish the line

[hallow crow]

do you guys think that the steel walls look good, im building my very first mega factory and i want some ideas for like the shape and stuff, #screenshots message

[eternal kelp]

Start crying.

[sour ledge]

yeah, i try not to involve liquids in my throughput if i can avoid it - especially for something like drone fuel where the amount im gonna need will vary wildly over time. The battery alt is the path of least resistance lol

[dire tapir]

not on its own

[sour ledge]

Believe in me who believes in you

you're welcome.

[clear aspen]

There we go

[clear aspen]

Look in #off-topic-media btw

[ivory condor]

more or less

[sour ledge]

i get that they're wearing the gurren lagann glasses but im not hip enough to know who those other two characters are

[clear aspen]

They’re from hollow night and silksong

[ivory condor]

Uninstall the game, its over

[wispy charm]

I was thinking something like 7.5:1 caings to sheets

[eternal kelp]

I just started

[sour ledge]

oh, that'd do it. i haven't played a sidescroller since like.... megaman X-something

[clear aspen]

Yall ever heard of trigger studios?

[gentle lion]

I'll.have to see how much power I have currently ...or have to setup a temp.fuek Gen factory to set this up..lol

[ivory condor]

Wait tell you discover the terror of spiders, and ada but I would argue ada is much worse

[median geyser]

Also a little back I saw someone mention passenger trains. Is that just a bunch of locomotives following different paths you can jump in?

[eternal kelp]

I already have arachaphobia mode on.

But that’s less me being scared of spiders and more awww cute kitty

[ivory condor]

thats even worse, now you'll be terrified of cats

[clear aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/simon-simon-the-digger-gurren-lagann-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-gif-17450264298684038754

[wispy charm]

@sour ledge do you think something like 7.5:1 caings to sheets is reasonable

[sour ledge]

a wise man is terrified of our feline overlords by default, but serves readily in the hopes of being spared

[clear aspen]

Hmm

Should I go to bed?

[ivory condor]

So its like awww cute kitty, as it goes on to start to kill you

[clear aspen]

Its currently 11:42pm for me

[sour ledge]

...sure? truthfully no matter what you do you're gonna end up building more aluminum factories later to build more stuff so you'll naturally know what you need more of when the time comes.

[eternal kelp]

Rather be killed than a cute kitty I suppose

[wispy charm]

I want to proccess all the bauxite on the map at one factory, then train the products to other factories

[sour ledge]

i mean if you're building up big enough to use all the bauxite on the map you're gonna need to plan out with a lot more precision than 7.5:1 what recipes you're gonna use all the products for.

If you're not gonna build so much that you use them all then it won't really matter because using all the bauxite on the map means you're gonna have enough to get through all the phases and then some

[wispy charm]

oh nah ive already finished all the phases im just playing for fun at this point

[sour ledge]

if you're just doing it 'cause you Wanna Use It All i'd just do a clean 50/50 split

[wispy charm]

given aluminum sheet are only used in building, heatsinks and superposition oscillators, i probably dont need that many sheets right

[sour ledge]

i mean shoot, what's the ratio? if you're instant scrapping it all it's 2 scrap per bauxite, then it's /2 for aluminim ingots so you're looking at something like 12k aluminum ingots

1 ingot per sheet, or 1.5 ingots per casing. 2.5 ingots for an even 50/50 split and that still puts you at 4,800 of both using 12k ore

you'll definitely use more casings than sheets, but at that point you have to ask if you're going to use 4800 of either lol

[wispy charm]

ik its ridiculous but i love overkill

[sour ledge]

yeah im on board with overkill

just you're asking "Should I overkill casings even more than i overkill sheets? In what ratio should i overkill?"

[wispy charm]

11070 ingots per minute using alumina solution and pure aluminium ingot

[wispy charm]

seems reaonable to me i dont see an issue

[sour ledge]

ratios only matter if you're using the things!

if you're just yolo building then screw the ratio lol

[last tartan]

well folks, I’ve decided to plant my base as a high lake with a large waterfall thats generally up north, not sure where exactly it is..

[median geyser]

Can we get co-ords for future base ideas?

[hallow crow]

#screenshots message ? (left or right)

[median geyser]

What is the window facing?

If inside window looking at machines, left. If outside window looking at landscape, right

[wispy charm]

okay ive decided on:
1200 sheets per min
6580 casings per min

[sour ledge]

makes sense to me - at least all your sheets can fit on one belt that way

[last tartan]

I unfortunately turned off the computer for today, but I’ll try to find them on the map

[last tartan]

this interactive map I’ve pulled up is giving me -21,969 -57.959

if that helps

[median geyser]

Helps a bunch, I can just hunt it down on the int map 🙏

[brazen coral]

Caterium wire recipe is PHENOMENAL

Both on output and input

[cyan leaf]

Bouissss shoukd i get the alt ployner or nah?

[sour ledge]

... 😮‍💨 "600 coal for power will be plenty before oil." i said. "I'll just avoid making my factories way bigger'n i really need until i get fuel power online" i said. I was lying to myself when I said it, i knew it was a lie, and yet still... i sit here with a fuse blown in-game trying not to blow a fuse in real life

[fervent sand]

and you're using a very rare item (caterium) and turning it into a very common item (wire)

[dire tapir]

i made 5gw before oil and that didnt get the oil going had to use batts

[fervent sand]

though this should only really matter if you're planning on using a lot of the world's resources

[sour ledge]

🙁 i really wanted to avoid building more coal power since it's an incredibly inefficient use of coal later so i always end up scrapping them... but alas.

[dire tapir]

iv never used all of the caterium even tho i made 100 board 10 computers and 10 high speed c just for storage. little old me just wasting shi out here

[dire tapir]

i find coal to be kinda fun as a power source

[fervent sand]

huh

my world isn't going to be using all of the caterium either

[sour ledge]

caterium is kinda rare but the main use for it is quickwire, which produces in a disgustingly high ratio vs ingots so it's still relatively easy to get 'enough' caterium. the rarity just makes it a little more annoying to get in the right place lol

[fervent sand]

ok I'm going to be using fused wire instead of caterium wire.

[gritty sleet]

Found a wide-open way to get behind the scenery in Abyss Cliffs
#screenshots message

[fervent sand]

"Wire": {
    "produced": "2459.240",
    "produced_by": {
        "Fused Wire": "2459.240"
    },
    "consumed": "2459.240",
    "consumed_by": {
        "Stator": "798.730",
        "Stitched Iron Plate": "1660.510"
    }
},

[wicked nacelle]

I wouldn't say it's rare but where you need it you often need more than what's available. Across the whole map's supply it's actually pretty trash.

But since you can stretch a local supply with copper and copper is even less useful vs its supply I do stretch it with copper to save logistics

[gritty sleet]

There's a cave in the north end of the swamp that has three caterium nodes inside it. Biggest concentration on the entire map.

[fervent sand]

*except for one case, that being copper powder

[wicked nacelle]

there's a LOT more copper than copper powder requires. And you need it for sheets too of course. But pure copper is a 2.5x multiplier

[fervent sand]

if you're trying to make a lot of pasta you'll quickly run into copper isues

but then again, that's on the scale of taking all resources

[wicked nacelle]

I have a save that makes 80 BWDs/minute. I use a very small amount of the map's copper

[ocean frost]

The question is are you making that much pasta

[ivory condor]

well because copper powder cant be made more efficient beyond using the pure recipes to make more copper ingots

[fervent sand]

bwd does not consume pasta no?

[wicked nacelle]

probably 30 pasta/minute? maybe 40. It's not challenging to the copper supply

[wicked nacelle]

takes a TON

I forget why but I have multiple spots with long runs of pasta machines

[ivory condor]

but either way, if your making copper powder, prepare for the game to turn into a refinery simulator because you'll definitely want to use those pure recipes

[kindred crater]

Is 40 stators per minute an okay rate?

[wicked nacelle]

it's fine for where you are if you're asking if it's fine. It's not fine for making turbo motors at a good late game rate -- but make that when you need that

huh I guess the BWD's I'm mkaing (40 nominal) only take 20 pasta/m for their singularity cells.

oh okay, but divided by 1.25 that's still 16 particle accelerators at 250% -- felt like more at the time 😛 but unless your goal is simply to maximize pasta for the sake of maximizing pasta I don't imagine many people needing more than that. Theoretical max BWDs is 75 nominal so that's like 30. Still not a massive amount of copper with pure ingots

[median geyser]

What are the benefits/tradeoffs of large rail blocks vs small ones?

[wicked nacelle]

unless you're really trying to cram every last train onto a track it doesn't really matter that much as long as they're all larger than your longest train. But I usually do 3-4x cuz otherwise that's just a TON of signals

[pine patrol]

I left my hypertube cannon running i wanna see how fast i go

[wicked nacelle]

technically you need one more block than the number of trains you have but usually you have many many many times more blocks than trains

[fervent sand]

making this

"Nuclear Pasta": 138.312,
"Biochemical Sculptor": 138.313,
"AI Expansion Server": 35.408,
"Ballistic Warp Drive": 34.578

has a pretty steep copper powder cost

"Copper Ingot": {
    "produced": "170876.378",
    "produced_by": {
        "Pure Copper Ingot": "170876.378"
    },
    "consumed": "170876.378",
    "consumed_by": {
        "Copper Powder": "170390.667",
        "Alclad Aluminum Sheet": "485.711"
    }
},

[wicked nacelle]

can you please not just paste big output from tools

also did you check that that's possible? 92k copper ingots/m is the max pure copper you can get from copper ore deposits - 36,900 * 2.5

[fervent sand]

it's using conversion recipes

10319.818 from sulfur conversion, 21130.733 from quartz. Tack that on to the amount you can mine and it equals 68350.551

[wicked nacelle]

I'm shocked that there's enough quartz to provide diamonds for that BWD build unless that's slooped

[fervent sand]

it's slooped

[wicked nacelle]

less surprised then 🙂

[fervent sand]

4 per bwd machine

[wicked nacelle]

diamonds are what you run out of going for more BWDs and you have to use the conversion to make coal instead -- why did you decide for that combination of stuff?

[fervent sand]

though this is making the max amounts of pasta, sculptors, servers, and bwds possible (in the ratio that the final phase wants)

[wicked nacelle]

I see

[sour ledge]

i forgot tier 1 pipes can only do 300, and so my original water distribution plan for my coal power plant died in a horrible blaze of fire after scaling up to mk2 miners

as a result, the ugliest coal power plant i have ever done in a frantic bid to get power going

[wicked nacelle]

the 8:3 ratio is for mk1 pipes - that's why it's so popular -- well and because it uses exactly 3 extractor's worth of water

[sour ledge]

#screenshots message

[fervent sand]

I can send you the json if you want to poke around in it

[wicked nacelle]

no thanks, but makes sense. I was going for points/m and BWDs is the best and easiest path to that - but the "ratio match" approach is an interesting challenge I'd not considered

[sour ledge]

yeah im familiar; i was just building based off memory without actually looking at things, so i built based on the tier 2 pipes lol

[wicked nacelle]

now I gotta figure out if it's better to make crystals from sam directly or to make coal. but I'm tapped on quartz so it'd have to be a different recipe.

[fervent sand]

what is your goal? I can put it into sf optimizer

max bwd's?

[wicked nacelle]

I actually already hit my goal -- it was technically a coupon a minute but that's really just 80 BWD's and some change -- no, max bwd's is no fun -- too much work. I make 40*2/min. But I'm right on the edge on crystals with how I have things set up -- which was built up organically not just following a tool

I've got all the coal on the map tapped and am making some crystals by just melting sam into sam juice and using Dark Matter Crystallization

[fervent sand]

for max it wants you to use dark matter trap

[wicked nacelle]

I use a LOT of that. and then with the extra sam I just melt it down. I'm saying yeah -- I could convert additional sam to coal - make diamonds - make time crystals then use matter trap instead

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/AWESOME_Sink/Theoretical_maximum_of_points - that has the max BWD builds for 1% 100% and 250% configurations

it's 150/m at 100% but it drops because you become power constrained at 250% default clock speeds

[fervent sand]

it's 10 off from the amount sf optimizer gives. Though they're going for the max points, whereas I'm going for max bwd

[wicked nacelle]

did you make it check for power? That's usually why people have gotten different results in the past

Once you factor in power limitations the numbers change.

it has to use coal for making rocket fuel, for example

[kindred crater]

-# incinerating tens of thousands of 1st power products for tickets

[fervent sand]

yep sf optimizer is one of the few calcs that calcs power automatically

[wicked nacelle]

it'll give you a spike but each ticket is more expensive than the last up to around 250M/coupon

[wicked nacelle]

but isn't there a flag you have to give it to tell it to though?

[fervent sand]

it's calculating power

[wicked nacelle]

can you DM me the output please?

[kindred crater]

Im not even actually doing it for the tickets. I just want to destroy excess material to have my machines run even though theres no consequence to them stalling

[hard stump]

How to enable fismas on the MAM on Xbox? Google said there’s a setting in the menu

[wicked nacelle]

it's in the HUB and you just click on the calendar

the mam setting presumaby auto shows up once you start ficsmas at the hub

[brazen coral]

I mean what else is there besides quick wire right now to be using it on?

[hard ivy]

30 000 quickwire

[hard stump]

Thank you 🙂

[brazen coral]

Right now I have 2 pure nodes and that is feeding 6 balanced smelters pretty well on mk 4 belts atm

[fervent sand]

more quickwire

[brazen coral]

Any excess is going into the mall or the sink

[fervent sand]

and then you get to high speed connectors

[brazen coral]

I was also trying to look for that recipe if there's an alternate

The only thing I'm missing on that tree is the programmable splitters

[mossy frigate]

Can anyone tell me if any resources can be avoided completely with alternate recipes?

[wicked nacelle]

All of them -- just uninstall 🙂

[brazen coral]

Getting a line set up to make computers but I want the oscillator computers even though they're a bit more complex to make

[mossy frigate]

Must’ve missed the “alternate recipes” so witty

[mossy frigate]

I like this recipe as well

[hard stump]

Ok another dumb question the presents how to open?

[fervent sand]

MAM

[mossy frigate]

You don’t they’re a raw material

[brazen coral]

I mean it's only complex to make the oscillator but you save on One circuit board

[mossy frigate]

I get it and with certain factory builds some of that can be much more efficient

[hard stump]

Ty

[brazen coral]

For sure!

[wicked nacelle]

huh, I was thinking you could skip some stuff just buying parts from the shop, but it's missing a few key things

[fervent sand]

there are. But none that lighten the load that much

[hard stump]

Oh ok ty I thought I had to open it for parts for the tree in the mam

[mossy frigate]

You can, buy the parts to make the few they don’t sell, I did this

Just put up a couple machines to build what you need and hand feed the components

[wicked nacelle]

yeah you might be able to beat the game without caterium - yeah you never have to have caterium ore or ingots to beat the game

[mossy frigate]

That’s not happening, way too many things need it

[wicked nacelle]

no, things need quickwire

you can buy quickwire

[brazen coral]

So far I've got a steel line set up along with copper iron and caterium, All the steel stuff is being made off of one line so now I just have to get the constructors set up then the assemblers. I currently already have a automated production line for ammo, cluster nobelisk and rifle ammo at the moment.

[wicked nacelle]

oh but I guess again that's not an alt recipe so never mind

[brazen coral]

Most of the blueprints I have currently have balancers for sets of three, works decently well.

I'm going to try to do that with assemblers here soon

[mossy frigate]

A lot of stuff like screws and wire and whatnot can be made with other stuff than iron, so what I want to do is eliminate what ores I can if it’s even possible through the use of alternate recipes, if anyone else has input please feel free to chime in

[brazen coral]

It's almost possible to eliminate copper, but you still craft copper sheets with it

[tacit trellis]

am i crazy or did map break?

[fervent sand]

You can make almost everything with bauxite, uranium, oil, and caterium

oh and sulfur

but like you still need copper for sheets and powder

[mossy frigate]

👍

[wicked nacelle]

so maybe you can eliminate coal?

[fervent sand]

oil and aluminum should be able to replace coal, iron, and steel

[brazen coral]

I forgot about the copper powder. I'm not quite on that yet until the next phase

[fervent sand]

just wait till pasta. Then you'll never forget it

[mossy frigate]

Oh the particle accelerator is a blast, get your power squared away now lol

[wicked nacelle]

can you get to aluminum without steel?

[mossy frigate]

No

Not that I’ve found anyways

[wicked nacelle]

and you can't get to oil to make coke for steel without coal without steel that needs coal

[fervent sand]

oh right I'm thinking from a fully unlocked standpoint

[mossy frigate]

I’m fully unlocked so that’s what I’m looking for

[wicked nacelle]

oh... then you can eliminate coal it appears

[mossy frigate]

Elaborate please

[fervent sand]

use aluminum instead

[wicked nacelle]

steel and aluminum don't need coal

[tacit trellis]

bro restarting from new save it's so annoying when you dont have enough mats to set up foundations

[mossy frigate]

Duh ty

Can’t believe I missed that

[wicked nacelle]

I thought there was one thing that always needed iron though. but I don't remember it

[mossy frigate]

Screws would be the only thing I could think of but then beams can make those

[fervent sand]

You can even go and use aluminum beams

[mortal ginkgo]

Guys a smol question, can Trucks go up 4M Ramps?

[mossy frigate]

Yes

[fervent sand]

pipes need iron, but I am not sure if you can cut them out

[wicked nacelle]

all reinforced plate needs iron plate right?

[mortal ginkgo]

Thank you, you SEXY BEAST

[fervent sand]

ye that would do it

[mossy frigate]

Isn’t aluminum pipes a thing? Or am I mistaken?

[mossy frigate]

Oh right

[fervent sand]

that's for iron rods

[wicked nacelle]

heavy modular frames all need modular frames and all modular frames need reinforced plate and reinforced plate all need iron plate and all iron plate needs iron ingots which all need iron ore

[mossy frigate]

It’s amazing how much you can know but also forget while right in the middle of it all in this game 😂

The brain just stops braining lol

[silk rose]

Hmf hate club

[wicked nacelle]

it's also easy to play end game for 10x longer than it took to get to end game and forget all the little crap newbies have to go through

so what did we determine? you could rebuild in endgame without --- only coal?

[mossy frigate]

Yeah I’m on third file but like 2nd playthrough

[fervent sand]

biocoal

[mossy frigate]

Seems so

[mossy frigate]

Oh yeah but no one acknowledges him, he’s the ugly step child

[wicked nacelle]

biocoal is just a recipe for making coal. It's not an item type

[silk rose]

It is illness type

[fervent sand]

but is coal from biocoal a raw resource?

[mossy frigate]

I need to find a good tutorial on a good mega factory or good satellite factories I can build to deliver to the central factory so I can follow it, I am NOT creative, I can’t build from scratch to save a kittens life

[mossy frigate]

What are you talking about? Are you having a stroke?

[wicked nacelle]

just put down the buildings for your final product and rate -- then feed it what it needs by repeating that process. You don't have to figure out anything ahead of time just solve one sub-problem at a time until it's done

[silk rose]

No its coal from bioshit

[ivory condor]

Surely you use charcoal recipe right

[mossy frigate]

Hell no lol

[silk rose]

No

[mossy frigate]

No no like a factory design for both looks and function and tell me how to build it lol

[ivory condor]

I tell you how to build spaghetti hell if your interested

[mossy frigate]

I get that naturally 🤣 no effort needed

[steel kelp]

https://youtu.be/JynXtzEOS64?si=C8U7LXYUq7KjAm9H

This is what i did for my satellite factories

[fervent sand]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gYteA9DIIY&list=PLMmqC65vzdRlKuZZ8T9XRxdLwcdEGZBIq&index=36

[mossy frigate]

Brb ty

[tacit trellis]

you can do ceiling or underground logistics to be less spagetti

[fervent sand]

you can also learn a lot just by watching let's plays

[mossy frigate]

Yes I use logistic floors

[steel kelp]

You just gotta plan your logistics well, i wouldnt try to import like rods, plates and stuff from other factories. id make those on site and import complex parts like super computers to your mega factory

[wicked nacelle]

There's no way to avoid limestone, iron, copper, sam, caterium, bauxite, quartz (required for RCU). You never needed sulfur even without alts. same with uranium. -- so yeah only coal is normally required without alts but can be avoided once you unlock oil while building end game elevator items

[mossy frigate]

Not what I’m looking for but tyvm for trying

[mossy frigate]

yeah I have been

[ivory condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-qqgRjfo3s&list=PLrBjj4brdIRwRkGTLKqH5hlS_mlMYn_J0 enjoy

[steel kelp]

https://youtu.be/JynXtzEOS64?si=C8U7LXYUq7KjAm9H

tells you exactly how to build your satellites

[mossy frigate]

Im going to stab you repeatedly with a dull wooden spoon sir

[fervent sand]

Kibz has other vids on that playlist, if any are what you're looking for

[wicked nacelle]

I wonder if there's some way to find enough stuff to get to oil without building steel itself? I doubt it.

[steel kelp]

Defo if you go through most of the crash sites

[mossy frigate]

Yeah I glanced through I’m more wanting someone to tell me how to build from the ground up like “put walls here” run your iron here” stiff like that so I have a general idea then I can customize as desired

[wicked nacelle]

yeah dunno how much of what stuff is required for elevator parts

[wicked nacelle]

just put down a slab of foundation and start placing machines

[steel kelp]

Doubt you will find smth this detailed, vid i linked is prbs the closest thing as he explains how logistics fit in with the factory outine and gives you blueprints for all the machines

[silk rose]

Trial and error

[wicked nacelle]

1000 versatile frameworks require 6000 beams.. 😕

[steel kelp]

I didnt realise you meant the spelevator parts as well lol

Thought you meant just to unlock the oil milestones

[wicked nacelle]

the question is can you get to oil without making steel -- which requires elevator parts for unlocking oil because once you get oil you can make steel without coal

[earnest bluff]

which chanel i can use for help with a picture?

[fervent sand]

#1038092680493801533

[wicked nacelle]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057

[earnest bluff]

ty al

[ivory condor]

What I thought you would like this totally not a 100% nightmare vertical factory, this is definitely not a nightmare that will now haunt your memories, this will definitely not happen, you will get no bad dreams now from this

[wicked nacelle]

yeah yeah if it's a question then what erk said

[fervent sand]

or #math-and-meta/#design-and-architecture if it fits one of those betters

[fervent sand]

it's so funny to me when people shorten down my name. Erk is definitely the most common one, but I've seen some crazy ones

[wicked nacelle]

omgikre?

[fervent sand]

that's not shortening it down

[compact flicker]

Yo gmo

[fervent sand]

I have been called that before

[mossy frigate]

🤨

[steel kelp]

^ think this guy has blocked me or smth lmao replies to everyone but me

Weird behaviour

[fervent sand]

along with e, erik, gravy (don't ask),and erki. I've been called other things but I can not recall, it is late. Like 3 AM late.

so I shall sleep

[mossy frigate]

No just your smartass behavior before has turned me off from replying

[steel kelp]

Because you were telling people incorrect things about coal and water ratios lol

https://youtu.be/JynXtzEOS64?si=C8U7LXYUq7KjAm9H

watch this, itll solve all your problems

[mossy frigate]

No I wasn’t you assume Xbox is 100% flawless, ok now blocked

Damn people don’t learn when to shut up and leave a conversation alone

[steel kelp]

I have 280 hours on xbox lmao

You blamed ficsmas for not being able to rotate dimensional depots man, its not always the games fault lmao

[mossy frigate]

Gn and ty

[ivory condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_PEIFKPPoE&list=PLrBjj4brdIRwRkGTLKqH5hlS_mlMYn_J0 here because you seemed to like that one you might also enjoy how to properly build a nuclear factory🙂

[mossy frigate]

I already know not to click it 🤣

[mossy frigate]

I said since then I couldn’t, then soon after forgot I didn’t reload a save so I did and said that fixed it, you’re seriously out to start shit, blocked

[steel kelp]

Im just noticing trends lol

[urban token]

Hello, i am kidna new, someone will say me how many coal generators i will need at start? Like, how much i need to build grids to don't think about it until new source?

[steel kelp]

16 will be enough for a while

[mossy frigate]

Power or?

[urban token]

So 2 pure coal ores

[steel kelp]

Yes

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[steel kelp]

Follow these layouts, you will have 0 problems

[mossy frigate]

Oh Mr “know it all” got you, good luck

[steel kelp]

Just be mindful of where the pipes split so your water flows correctly

[urban token]

Power, i started play seriously(working spagetti phase) and i need power. Still phase 0, but soon i will start phase 1

[steel kelp]

Just copy the a setup from the pic above, the first one is easiest imo

[urban token]

Why players of this game just won't become enginers

[clear mesa]

💀

[mossy frigate]

Y’all have a good night I’m going back to console channel, good luck in all y’all’s builds

[steel kelp]

???? So upset for no reason lol

Because you couldnt figure out a simple 3:8 coal setup lol

[pseudo pendant]

I think I got a problem
I got this game on the 24th (like 8 or 9 days ago) and have 180 hours

[urban token]

Use overclocking there?

[steel kelp]

No you dont need to

[pseudo pendant]

I feel like I should be at phase 3 completed by now no

[mossy frigate]

Same same lol

[steel kelp]

3 100% water extractors can power 8 100% coal generators

[clear mesa]

There's no rush to be honest

As long as you're enjoying yourself

[pseudo pendant]

I think the only time you'll need overclocking really is for the actual coal miners if you wanna expand it for more power

[steel kelp]

It changes the inputs required tho, so you would wanna build it with that in mind

[pseudo pendant]

you can always make more coal power generators and water pumps, just keep it at a 3:8 ratio

[steel kelp]

16 coal gens is more than enough till you get to oil imo

[pseudo pendant]

yeah but if say you have inputs for 16 gens not overclocked on anything, and want 24, do 150% on them

[urban token]

Make sense, but i think i will second later have mk2,

[pseudo pendant]

yeah thats better if you have the option

and by the time you need even more you should have the option of oil to fuel

[steel kelp]

Id just build a 24:9 coal gen to water extraction setup

Cuz you wont have mk2 pipes, the manifolds will get messy

[pseudo pendant]

yeah I think that's the most I ended up with

[urban token]

I started in grass fields, and have pure coal ore near base

[pseudo pendant]

just do each 8:3 ratiuo on a sepeate system

no need to combine them

[urban token]

Learn ne building some crazy generator

[steel kelp]

Yea this is what i meant

[urban token]

I need power, Factory Need To Grow

[steel kelp]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[steel kelp]

Just follow this and do it 4 times

[clear mesa]

Grab leaves by hand and put them into a biofuel generator

[pseudo pendant]

yeah just do sets of 8 gens to 3 pumps.

[steel kelp]

Just make sure you place the water extractors at the correct places

[pseudo pendant]

ngl I just winged the water pumps and made sure they were coming from different ends

[clear mesa]

You can do that but with MK1 pipes you can run into issues if you for some reason decide to put all 3 next to each other

[steel kelp]

Yea for me i found it easier to follow the wiki pics

[pseudo pendant]

yeah I had I think 2 on one side and 1 on the other coming around from the back side of the gens

[steel kelp]

Was my first playthrough tho

But it helped me learn fluid manifolds

[pseudo pendant]

basically just have them spaced out in some way

[steel kelp]

Does anyone have any cool refinery tower designs

[crisp mortar]

Be honest, is the Christmas event as bad as ADA is making it out to be?

[pseudo pendant]

ngl I made oil going into fuel powered gens and the actual output of power feels pretty insignificant per 10 refineries

[steel kelp]

I can do all the beltwork and stuff, i just cant make it look nice cuz of these shit machines

[steel kelp]

Are you using diluted fuel?

[urban token]

It is sad i can only get 120/s coal from mk2 conveytor

[steel kelp]

It will upgrade soon dont worry

[pseudo pendant]

residual I think, it doubles as rubber/plastic

[steel kelp]

But thats why its easier to build 4 separate versions of those systems i sent you

[urban token]

Like, if i wanna split, i need to connect mk2 to splitter and the i can use mk1?

[steel kelp]

Ah i never mixed my setups

[pseudo pendant]

100 fuel comes out, 4 goes to packaged fuel for jetpack and 96 goes into gens, got two set up now and getting 1000mw from each

[clear mesa]

My biggest eureka moment is finding out the pipe junctions have no m² limit

[urban token]

What alternative recipes you recomend?

[pseudo pendant]

wait really

[clear mesa]

Yes

[steel kelp]

If you’re at coal nothing yet, just collect hard drives and scan them till you find smth you think might be useful

[pseudo pendant]

thats kinda insane, so they can basically just infinitely fill?

[steel kelp]

Yeh lmao this was a crazy moment for me as well

[pseudo pendant]

solid steel

Idk I thought that was pretty good

[urban token]

I wanna make good output reinfocred plates

[clear mesa]

Pretty much but you're always constantly limited by the pipe that comes before/after

Let me see if I can find an example where it is useful though

[steel kelp]

I like stitched iron plates, but its rly personal preference

[pseudo pendant]

that's really interesting
must've been a developer oversight

oh wait

cast screws 100%

[urban token]

You are right, cooper at start is only used to cables

[steel kelp]

I think its intentional to help the manifold systems work properly

[pseudo pendant]

cast screws are the best hands down

[steel kelp]

I use it even after beating the game lol

[clear mesa]

Can't send images here sad

[pseudo pendant]

if you want my recommendation, cast screws
lets you turn iron straight into screws instead of iron to rods to screws

[pseudo pendant]

oh lol all good, I'm sure I'll find a use case at some point when it's relevant

[clear mesa]

Is there no media channel

[steel kelp]

You can send pics in legit any other channel

[urban token]

Sounds good, but i will use snithed plate and underclock cabble production to safe power

[steel kelp]

Like design or math and meta

[clear mesa]

Ah yeah that'll work

[urban token]

Hey, it would be good item, what would clock machinery by input data. Imagine you have many contructors, and they will limit power due to slow input

How i feel after 20 minutes on this discord:

[steel kelp]

The machines arent a constant consumer of power unless they are always working

[urban token]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-9403556598434283568

[steel kelp]

So if they cant output because theyre full or cant make things cuz no input, they will use no power

[urban token]

[urban token]

Miner spend 10s

[pseudo pendant]

Although under clocking them would make them more consistent instead of fluctuating every time they make something

[steel kelp]

16 coal gens will get you like 2400 mw of power

[urban token]

Of course if you was dumbass like me who don't use 100% of it

[daring wadi]

🙂

[steel kelp]

So that will be enough for now until you expand

[pseudo pendant]

But yeah definitely just get that coal sorted

[urban token]

I mean miner activate 10s, so you lost so much energy to mine some coal before deactivation

[coral glacier]

I kinda like 800 plutonium nuclear reactors myself

[urban token]

Btw, they will add new phase in future?

[pseudo pendant]

Personally I’m more of an 8,000 biofuel generators kinda guy

[steel kelp]

Its a very negligible amount of energy in the grand scheme of things

[coral glacier]

[steel kelp]

#screenshots message

Tell me about it

[urban token]

[pseudo pendant]

It just takes a simple load balancer, nothing fancy

[shy mulch]

This is the way!

[coral glacier]

Looks delicious

Yummy/10

[pseudo pendant]

I sure do love setting up railways where no blueprint snaps to the other

[steel kelp]

Its about to get bigger, i just need 6k aluminium ingots and a lot of pasta

[clear mesa]

Some may call this overkill

[steel kelp]

This is just uranium fuel rods and turned into plutonium

[coral glacier]

I commend those who reach at least 1 TW in power production

[steel kelp]

Its going to get bigger

[severe cliff]

j unlocked oil for the first time anyone have any good guides to explain the basics?

[urban token]

I have question about facility size at begining. How much i should go for ores from base? I should make many facilities in many places, or build all very near base?

[steel kelp]

Building that big was sm fun, dealing w all the waste and byproducts was a rly good time

[steel kelp]

I prefer many facilities in different places

[pseudo pendant]

Am I correct in thinking cam mode is not possible without advanced game settings?

[steel kelp]

Until you unlock some good logistics like trains and drones at least

[coral glacier]

My power plant will be under the map, because i prefer fluids going down than up.

[steel kelp]

I dont have it on and i have photo mode

[pseudo pendant]

What no way

[hard ivy]

Unknown

[pseudo pendant]

I’ve been tryna do it to appreciate my builds and it never lets me

[urban token]

So build facilities near ores and then to base or contener

[clear mesa]

Is it not just the P button?

[pseudo pendant]

Oh my god

I’ve been hitting the decouple camera button thinking that means to decouple it from my player

I love you

[hard ivy]

It does mean that. But you have to be in photo mode for that to work

[pseudo pendant]

180 hours in the last <10 days and I never figured it out

[lunar python]

r after p decouples camera

[pseudo pendant]

Yeah technically I was right just not in the exact way I was thinking

[hard ivy]

And then T to hide HUD

[clear mesa]

How is this even achievable

[urban token]

I send on #screenshots my base location, WHERE BUILD SPACE ELEVATOR

[shy mulch]

Can I have 1.1 commendations? 😛

[lunar python]

and then alt + f4 to screenshot at full resolution

[steel kelp]

Wherever you want it doesnt matter much

[clear mesa]

Wherever u want

[coral glacier]

Just do stuff and see how it turns out tbh

[pseudo pendant]

Let my storages fill while I’m asleep, play through most of the day

[compact flicker]

Yall notice the teaser for resource node randomization in the LizardDoggo ad CoffeeStain posted a few days ago?

[urban token]

Problem is i don't see space for it.

[pseudo pendant]

I’m on “study leave”