satisfactory

[wicked nacelle]

nothing is "hard" but some things are absolutely time consuming

[dense violet]

pinged you in #screenshots

making multiple factories and using the input tab can help simplify what you're looking at

helps a lot for later tier items especially

[median geyser]

One thing that Im finding very confusing is managing expectations of output and balancing them with size. Like for the above factory, I just slammed 0s on the end of each of the base materials up to tier 4, the website defaults to 10, I said 100.

I have no idea if that's a reasonable throughput of those items, since my only use for them atm i think is cramming them into dimensional storage for later building.

I do, however, know that I just struggled to find room for 15 blenders while making rocket fuel, and am extremely worried about trying to map out 300 machines to process iron bars 😂

[dense violet]

it will have opened up another tab, that looks similar to your other one

You'll get there, and look at the tabs up top, it'll have opened up my shared link as a different tab for you

it should show the HMF and Computers in their own little box?

without all the machines used to make them

[pine patrol]

Until late game yes

[dense violet]

even then, the nodes just aren't in conveniently placed at all for me 🙁

I recommend saving the links to the plans somewhere like a spread sheet to keep track of plans - that way you don't have to worry about deleting tabs

[pine patrol]

They suck sooo bad. I understand why they dont have a pure node (lore reasons) but they should make normal more common and impure like EVERYWHERE like i want it as common as caterium

[dense violet]

It's an option - but pure nodes aren't any better than normal or impure, Just look at the parts per min you need

[wicked nacelle]

and regardless 2 normal is the same as a pure or 4 impure a 1 normal and 2 impure or whatever. All that matters is rate

You can even just merge them onto the same belt

wrong response comment but right person

[cyan leaf]

Hmm does heavy residue useful outside of fuel?

[white dawn]

It gets more and more useful with a bunch of alt recipes you can find. It's actually the basis of the most oil-efficient petrochem loop in the game (plastic, rubber, and yes, fuel. :)

At first it's more of an annoyance though. :)

[cyan leaf]

Yeah cause other then a fuel i dont have the alt recipes that I can remember that uses it

[south canyon]

Why would one use packaged diluted fuel...

[dense violet]

coke

[dense violet]

they don't have blenders and the other alt?

[south canyon]

Diluted fuel needs blenders?

Man, I'm really unattentive

[cyan leaf]

Blenders? I thought uts just a recipe for the refinery to packager?

[cyan leaf]

Without the alt as i dint have it yet

[dense violet]

there's 1 recipe for blenders, 1 recipe for refineries

[dense violet]

Petro Coke is a base recipe

[cyan leaf]

Ohh

[dense violet]

but early on there isn't much use for petro coke. You can burn it, but might as well jsut burn coal
more alt recipes use it though

[south canyon]

Pretty sure there are some nice alts for it

Very nice alt recipes iirc

[cyan leaf]

Yeah from i seen its just the fuel that is turned into plastic or rubber rather then the coke tho

[feral geyser]

sooo... Satisfactory is up for the "Labor of Love Award" category... but so is Devour 😭 i'm so torn

[south canyon]

Satisfactory is a very Satisfactory game for my Autim

[feral geyser]

Autim

[merry granite]

How often to put path signals on railways with multiple trains?

[south canyon]

The length of the train and them some should be the length.

[feral geyser]

every "length of your longest train"

[south canyon]

The density, probably every second length of the longest train ⬆️

[merry granite]

I guess i should account for my trains getting bigger aswell?

as i eventually expand my network

ill just do every like 8 foundation cheers

[cyan leaf]

I saw that the bigger trains get the weirder it gets

[white dawn]

I just do every 200-300m or so on straightaways

Though in the end there's a fair bit of personal preference to that.

[south canyon]

It also depends on the density of your trains

[white dawn]

Oh, one minor point of order btw: the actual Path Signal is only for entering intersections. On straightaways you'll just be using Block Signals

[merry granite]

Yeah all good, just mixed up the names

[white dawn]

(I assume that might be what you meant, but figured perhaps elaboration could be helpful)

Heh, k, yeah, figured. :D

You can always start more sparse and then add more if you feel like it'd help your train throughput

Indeed, really dense networks might benefit from smaller straightaway blocks

[merry granite]

Do trains take an alternate path if say, a train station is busy and theres an alternate route to skip past a station?

[dense violet]

they always take the shortest path

[median geyser]

Even if you used path signals?

[dense violet]

Don't put stations on the main line

even

[median geyser]

damn

[dense violet]

why? it's very easy to avoid clogs

[south canyon]

my pioneer got softlocked in a hypertube particle accelerator...

[dense violet]

time to die I guess

[south canyon]

how

i can't open the pause menu

[dense violet]

esc > respawn

that's weird. Console?

[merry granite]

I think ive seen other people do multiple stations next to eachother (probably bidirectional), whats the reason for this?

[median geyser]

Could be different materials incoming?

That way you dont have a backlog of trains waiting to offload

[dense violet]

More places for stations to stop

Platforms only have so much throughput and the more trains stopping at a station the lower the throughput

[south canyon]

I ficstit by holding SHIFT+S

(That decelerates you in hypertubes)

Would be cool if there was a dipole magnet for the hypertubes, so you could set a "maximum velocity" at which it will divert you

[flint grail]

What's the best way to make aluminum again? That doesn't have any byproducts?

[south canyon]

Sloppy alumina?

[flint grail]

Water's still a byproduct

[south canyon]

Meh, it's used in the process

[feral geyser]

non existent

instant scrap is the simplest

uses sulfur though

which people seem to not like, for some reason

[flint grail]

Prob cause it requires a blender

[south canyon]

Prob because it needs sulfur

Also less bauxite-efficient

[feral geyser]

eh, that's easy stuff and not really a problem

[south canyon]

Well.

[feral geyser]

no it's not

[flint grail]

I need 150 ingots a minute

[south canyon]

It adds more inputs, to get only a 1:1 ratio, requires an expensive machine and has a lowest rate

[feral geyser]

it's a 1:2 ratio of baux to scrap

with instant

[flint grail]

I'll probably just wait for my friend to wake up and let her decide what I should do

[south canyon]

Sloppy alumina and aluminium ingot

Wait on

Yeah, sloppy alumina

It means you don't have to handle the awkward 5 sillia from the alumina processing

[median geyser]

Am I able to interact in any way with the giant creature flying over the grassy plains?

[merry granite]

Yes

[dense violet]

every scrap recipe has byproduct

it's easy to manage though

[median geyser]

Are all terrain boulders destroyable? Do I need more than one nobelisk to destroy bigger ones? Is there a way to tell the difference if no?

[cyan leaf]

Whats the alternative recipes for fuel? Is diluted the only one for oil?

[dense violet]

!wikisearch fuel

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fuel

[dense violet]

only the cracked stuff, has slightly different tint like most video game destructables

[cyan leaf]

Fff im so confused on whether to search for the alts for heavy oil and recycled rubber or not and just setup it up

[median geyser]

Always a good idea to go alt hunting

[dense violet]

you get a lot more fuel from oil > hor > diluted

[median geyser]

I put it off way too long and am paying the price

[feral geyser]

Setting up some simple stuff to start is good, but don't invest too heavily until you have the good alts

[cyan leaf]

Cause I got the alt recipe for plastic so I should be going for the rubber and heavy?

[feral geyser]

Yeah, and also, diluted fuel

The packaged version is a separate recipe, but doesn't require a blender.

If you do it right, you can get 900/min each of plastic and rubber from one pure vein of crude.

[remote orbit]

My soul leaves my body everytime I look at my awesome sink 😭 92k till next coupon and its like ⅘ of the way filled 😭😭😭

[feral geyser]

Mine cost billions at this point 😭

[remote orbit]

Bro 😭

[feral geyser]

Just sink everything

[wary remnant]

Did you get a solution?

[tidal socket]

Sorry to say it

[feral geyser]

My midgame factory output everything onto 2 belts that go to the main storage depots, then overflow sinks the rest

[tidal socket]

Game as failed me, I will not play again

[feral geyser]

Skill issue

But also, how?

[tidal socket]

Not really

I just kinda got bored after the first 200 hours

[feral geyser]

That is for sure a skill issue

[remote orbit]

I'm about to overhaul my storage when I get enough mercer spheres to dd everything im making and just sink overflow

Only problem is putting time into getting mercer spheres 😪

[feral geyser]

Mainly you wanna DD building supplies (so like, not stators and the like that isn't used for building)

And also, have like, 5 or more uploaders on concrete

I always build an ammo and filter factory and have those uploading too.

[median geyser]

I spent 200h setting up my starter base. If youve run out of things to do in 200h, you are definitely the issue, not the game 😂 Also saying "the game failed you", as if its not the exact same game we all enjoy, and somehow made decisions to let you down, is hilarious

[south canyon]

You still need to empty some into your inv

[dense violet]

did you even finish the tiers and tutorial?

[tidal socket]

Nga it was a joke you taking it wayyyyy to seriously

[feral geyser]

Well, yeah, but then you always can, wherever you are

And you just pin them in your depot list so you can have easy access

[tidal socket]

No, after I finished my hub I played the game on the computer

[feral geyser]

It's too bad we can't automate inhalers (without mods)

[median geyser]

Damn, bro set a new highscore for my fastest block in this discord 😂

[feral geyser]

You block people?

[tidal socket]

🫩

Omg he’s going to block me, my life is ruined

[median geyser]

Constantly. It amuses me to see the "1 blocked message" every now and then, especially when a few of them stick around and you start seeing stuff like "15 blocked messages" 😂

[south canyon]

Does pipe steepness affect flow rate?

[tidal socket]

To a extent Yeah

[feral geyser]

As long as it doesn't exceed headlift, I don't think so

[south canyon]

With the other information im gonna have to kill you

[north summit]

Mmmmm pomp

500 pomps

[feral geyser]

I know Cobalt has me blocked, but he still checks my messages from time to time 😏

[south canyon]

Honestly don't get why people block each other

[feral geyser]

Allegedly, I have some disagreeable opinions on this game

[south canyon]

Is there a way to visualise head lift?

[median geyser]

It makes it easier to filter out people who I know likely won't respond to a something I say in a helpful or meaningful way. Saves time scrolling and parsing messages

[feral geyser]

The gauges on the pipes should tell you if it's flowing

[south canyon]

It's flowing, but not into the packager..

[feral geyser]

Or you can try placing a pump on a pipe and see where the headlift Bob extends to.

[median geyser]

For example, as often happens in this channel, during some debates, you often get people who... aren't open minded, lets say, and so you can't really have meaningful debate with them, it's just what they think or nothing. So, block. Saves time, there are other people Im trying to engage with

[feral geyser]

Pics?

[south canyon]

No

[feral geyser]

Yes

#screenshots

[median geyser]

Pics or it didnt happen

[south canyon]

I fixed it. Just needed to raise the pump

[feral geyser]

Ah

[tidal socket]

Can you tell frego to stop sending messages because it’s over now

I don’t see why he felt the need to educate us

[south canyon]

I raised it by LESS THAN 2M

[feral geyser]

That's all it takes sometimes

Also, in general, try to feed liquids from above the machine

Make elevated manifolds that flow down into the consumers

[median geyser]

Maan needing to revamp a chain of like 6 things has got me debating just restarting from a whole new world 😂

[south canyon]

#screenshots message

[feral geyser]

Oh yeah, that would do it

BTW whatcha listening to? 👀

[south canyon]

Nothing

[feral geyser]

"Stellar" on the Sanctum 2 soundtrack is a premium song

[tidal socket]

Honestly I feel like it would be more beneficial to have it diagonal

[south canyon]

Though it's currently on The Invasion in Sanctum 2

[tidal socket]

But that works too

[feral geyser]

Sanctum is a classy game, still holds up fantastically

[south canyon]

Rn I'm just making a fuel factory...

[random garnet]

Starting to think maybe I should just have one train station at my storage depot. Cos I’ve done the sorting system as just a single conveyor lien around the whole building to sort stuff away and two train stations is just gonan back it up more than needed

[dense violet]

depends how many trains you're having stop there

[random garnet]

I plan on having just about every resource dropped off to be mass stored incase I need it to build stuff

[south canyon]

The question: should I move my oil processing to where I'm extracting it

[feral geyser]

In general, yes

[dense violet]

every extra train you have stop there reduces the throughput of each platform

[south canyon]

Because it's really far over there, and I don't have train signals unlocked, so it would be nice to have the items nearby me

[feral geyser]

The less distance you have to move fluids, the better

[dense violet]

it's often easier to process fluids on location

[random garnet]

I transport my crude to a differnt location to turn into power as I’m extra lol but I believe you shouldn’t really transport oil for efficiency sake

[south canyon]

Oh, so not 1km away...

[feral geyser]

Plus, crude is almost always near water. So you can dilution easily enough on-site.

[random garnet]

What’s that mean?

[south canyon]

What if I wanna do turbofane

[frail sleet]

you can destroy the boulders, but not the rocks

|| usually just cracked ones ||

[feral geyser]

Easier to just ship the sulfur/coal to the site.

[south canyon]

Okay, you've convinced me.

[feral geyser]

I think the only place I make compacted coal is my ammo factory

Everything else that uses it gets the runoff from my Nitro Rocket fuel blenders.

[lost oasis]

Yo guys is ot true that better fuel for trains makes it go faster?

[south canyon]

Don't trains run off electricity?

[feral geyser]

Trains don't use fuel

So no

[lost oasis]

Okay is there aany way how to make them faster?

[dense violet]

more engines

[feral geyser]

More locomotives?

They still have a top speed though

[lost oasis]

so if i add 2 of them they will go 240?

[feral geyser]

No

[dense violet]

unlikely

[random garnet]

I mean one locomotive moves fast enough in my opinion atleast

[feral geyser]

But it will use twice as much power

[south canyon]

I wonder what audiophiles think about 💀 Turbo Bass™

[random garnet]

I did have a test world with them and found they seemed to go the same speed no matter how many locomotives I added on

[lost oasis]

Pretty slow to me tbh

[dense violet]

use drones then

[random garnet]

I mean gotta remember they can transport LOADS

[lost oasis]

dont have them yet

[feral geyser]

One thing I'm not sure of is: when using a two-headed train, are both locomotives active and consuming, or only the one in the facing direction?

[dense violet]

then belts if you don't like trains

[lost oasis]

Uhh train is cheaper than some conveyors

[dense violet]

if you have items automated it's all free

[south canyon]

Fog of War, huh?

[dense violet]

if you don't hnave those items automated - then your issue is you need to automate them

[random garnet]

Then use trains lol

[lost oasis]

Well i do, i just unlocked mark5 ones and its pretty slow since the silica isnt producing enough

[feral geyser]

Double dip that shit

[dense violet]

yes, solution doesn't produce enough silica for the base scrap. You need other recipes or to bring in more

[feral geyser]

Use the nitric path for quartz

[lost oasis]

Even when it got more than enough bauxite and water

[feral geyser]

Get a bunch of crystals and silica

[dense violet]

again, the solution doesn't produce enough silica for the ingot recipe, you need to bring in more, or use a different ingot recipe

[lost oasis]

Crystals are faar from my aluminium farm

[random garnet]

Trains may seem like they travel slow but they do transport MASSIVE amounts at once and if your factory is producing stuff slow by the time the train gets back it should have enough to pick up more

[dense violet]

use a different ingot recipe then

[median geyser]

Do you guys generally set up small extraction factories as your railways pass by nodes you arent using, or do you just harness nodes near where you are doing production?

[dense violet]

its usually easier to plan factory location based on nodes availabe

[feral geyser]

I generally don't use trains

[random garnet]

I’m going to set up factory’s to produce just about everything

[lost oasis]

well the problem is that the refinery is full of the things it need to make silica. But then it just stops until i wont change it because its like stuck even when it got all the shit it needs if that make sense

[wicked nacelle]

I mean that's sort of the game, right?

[dense violet]

yeah you're probably mixing the fresh and waste water and it's getting clogged

[random garnet]

I originally was just gonna do a massive factory in one spot

[feral geyser]

Byproducts backing up?

[wicked nacelle]

what version number of the game are you running?

[random garnet]

But after looking at it more mega factory’s seem annoying

[lost oasis]

I cant really remember but i know that you make those aluminium bowls or what is it to make ingots right? That refinery makes water i fixed it by just placing coal gen to get rid of it

[lost oasis]

newest one

[dense violet]

you'd have to make a post with images in #1038092680493801533 then . something weird is happening

[somber monolith]

Is 600 Alclad aluminum sheets pm a good amount for personal storage

[dense violet]

how would you ever use that much pm?

[south canyon]

Conveyor spaghetti.

[lost oasis]

i even used a pump to pump all of that to refinery since the water extractor is a bit lower where my bauxite is

[feral geyser]

More than enough, sink overflow

[lost oasis]

Could it be because im using mark 1 and not 2s?

[wicked nacelle]

There's really no need to dedicate that much production to not downstream production. Just syphon off aluminum from produciton as you need it

[dense violet]

you'd have to make a post. Basically impossible to tell you what's wrong at this point

[lost oasis]

Aight

by the time i will get up from my bed make breakfast i will already forget about that

[wicked nacelle]

usually you'll be taking 0 -- especially after you get mk6 belts and you'll want that aluminum for making mk6 belts not backed up doing nothing

[feral geyser]

I had a stroke reading this

[somber monolith]

Is 100 Alclad aluminium sheets more reasonable then

[dense violet]

25 would do you easily

[feral geyser]

You could easily place more than 100/min, but only in short bursts

[somber monolith]

I use more than I’m producing of encased industrial beams and I’m making 25 that’s to low

[feral geyser]

So if you have a container of buffer behind your uploader,you could get away with half that even.

[dense violet]

if you go exploring build anything else you'll have a giant stack of them stored

[wicked nacelle]

why dedicate anything to it? Just syphon off from production as needed.

have a smart splitter to a standard size container with an uploader on it and give priority to the container. Once it fills up production goes to normal production and you'll be good forever

it automatically scales to however much you can use - gated by your dimensional upload speed * uploaders

I do wish there was an option to just lock off slots on things like containers to make them fill faster and start backing up

[south canyon]

why have the container...

[somber monolith]

That’s what I’m doing I’m making 800 from a pure baixite node and then taking 200 and putting 100 into Alclad sheets and 100 into Alclad containers and sending them to storage

[cyan leaf]

Is 8 drives plenty of chances fo4 oil acts?

[south canyon]

Uhh no

I only got diluted fuel with about 7 iirc

I had previously unlocked Recycled Rubber

[stone python]

depends on how big of a pool you are trying to pull from

[somber monolith]

Does a train facing backward produce speed forward?

[cyan leaf]

Ffff

[stone python]

say you have 20 in the pool you could get, could take you all 20

[south canyon]

No

[cyan leaf]

Mwhaha imma f it and do it cause I keep not doing oil stuff

[south canyon]

Make a backup

Is there an easy way to transport doggos long distances?

[stone python]

live on the edge, never have a backup

[south canyon]

i hope you loose 8 hours of code 🙏

[median geyser]

Is there an easy way to find a cave entrance that might be hidden? It says there is a mercer sphere directly under my starter factory, but I cant find an entrance or anything to a cave

[south canyon]

Look near cliffs.

Or the shore. Sometimes it might even be hidden behind boulders

I know some caves have at least 2 entrances

[stone python]

only 8? that's chump change

[south canyon]

I love using Turbo Bass to kick doggos off cliffs

*Ledges

[median geyser]

Turbo bass?

[south canyon]

Yes, from the Boombox

Anyway. I need to figure out how I can route a Diluted Packaged Fuel refinery

[dense violet]

in what way?

packager > refinery > unpackager

[south canyon]

Specifically the packaging and unpackaging of water anf fuekl

[dense violet]

1 : 1 : 1
easy

[south canyon]

How do I route it though

[dense violet]

I don't understand what you mean

[south canyon]

Anyway, I think I've figured out a cleanish method

[dire tapir]

#screenshots message i think you should add depth

[somber monolith]

I can send u a ss of my blueprintable diluted packaged fuel set up

[south canyon]

why would one use a balancer instead of a manifold?

[dire tapir]

to save time

a factory doesnt take hours to get 100% effective

[somber monolith]

Uranium

[south canyon]

qhar?

[somber monolith]

Here’s the diluted fuel blueprint #screenshots message

[south canyon]

yeah, I have a tweak" move the fuel packager inline with the refinery

and then have the water come from the fuel output side of the refinery too

[somber monolith]

Just shove about 100 packages into the water packager

[dire tapir]

when using a using a load balancer each machine get exactly the amount it needs per min and doesn't have to wait for the one before to fill up

[somber monolith]

It won’t fit in a blueprint and like this the input is one side and output is other

Atleast a mk1 blueprint

[median geyser]

Man I hgve gathered like 30ish alien artifacts (sloops and spheres) since my last lore bit between ADA and the voice... Do I need to keep pushing the space station to get more, or is there just a big break after a while?

[cyan leaf]

So is having the alt recipes for rubber,plastic and heavy oil enough to properly start oil stuff?

[south canyon]

Yes

You'll want Turbofuel unlocked too

[sterile blade]

Assuming you're aiming for the "recycled meta", you'll likely want an alt for Fuel too...

[cyan leaf]

Is the alt fuel the diluted one? If so yeah I already got it

I just don't have the blender to really use it tho

[fluid sapphire]

you run out of lines at one point, if you havent got any in a while, you probably reached the end

[sterile blade]

HOR + water in any form

[median geyser]

Awe things were just getting good. She finally found a way to communicate with them, but they didnt really share much

[cyan leaf]

Oh sk the in game recipe log is a liar 😭

[sterile blade]

When you finally translate an alien language just to find they're saying "stop spying on us, you creep!"

[sterile blade]

I don't understand what you mean here

[south canyon]

It goes up to at least 17

[median geyser]

See now im temped to go look up a youtube video summarizing the entire interaction as a review, but I want to be sure Ive actually hit the end point 😂

[cyan leaf]

The recipe card thing shows the alt for fuel is packaged water + hor

[median geyser]

Ah yeah, there is a "final" tag on my most recent strange communication

[sterile blade]

So... HOR + "some form of Water"? 😉

[south canyon]

Is there a way to apply a custom paintjob to all machines at once?

[cyan leaf]

Ohhhhhhhh noteddd

[sterile blade]

Editing their swatch

[cyan leaf]

Lhhh i gotten the packaged version of the alt fuel

[south canyon]

The "normal" version requires the Blender

[sterile blade]

Later you may swap the Packaged water for fluid water (more convenient), but the numbers stay the exact same, just processed in different machines at different speeds

[cyan leaf]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh so how do I like in put em into a machine if its the liquid form of water?

[south canyon]

Pipelines, like with anything else

[sterile blade]

... Huh? O.o

[sterile blade]

I do love to pipe Packaged Water

[cyan leaf]

I mean like does connecting to pipelines (one as water and other as oil) would it work or nah?

[sterile blade]

All inputs go inside machines either via belts or pipes. There is no other way (exception: solids can go in by hand-feeding too).
I think it should be obvious as soon as you see a machine (and its aviable inputs) with the recipe in it ^^

So, yeah, if it's packaged water it needs a belt, if it's just "Water" (ie: like when making packaged water) it needs a pipe

[cyan leaf]

I have made myself to confused at this point 😭

[median geyser]

Is a save file ever so lost in spaghetti that you're better off just restarting than trying to undo the damage? 😂

[cyan leaf]

Lol that's why u save before making any mega structure

[median geyser]

Its not even a mega struct, it's just my base after pushing up to Phase 4/Tier8. Going back and having to undo my old production lines and build new factories for those materials but in greater volume has been insanely time consuming and a bit demoralizing 😂

[sterile blade]

Given my hate for re-building and enjoyment of the early game, you can imagine what's my favorite approach to that sort of issues :P

Though, I suggest trying to push through anyway, just so you see everything up to endgame before tying to make things better for real

[median geyser]

Okay so its not just me being impatient af 😂 I feel like I now have a much better understanding of scope for this game than I did at the start, and my original stuff, while taking up lots of space, feels insanely inadequate in terms of volume, and Im constantly wondering if it's better to just restart with better knowledge than to try to fix what's been done

[sterile blade]

And then you restart, thinking how things are gonna be better, but while also raising your own expectations and standards and end up having the exact same thought process as before after you've built enough to notice the many ways you could have done things better...

Welcome to the endless gameplay loop

[cyan leaf]

Omg I finally got a scrappy but working plastic production working thx god

[median geyser]

What is a reasonable expectation of throughput into my dimensional storage as I move through Tiers 7-9? The whole reason Im looking into making this next factory is to expand/revamp my old lines which were underclocked and just generally a huge mess on open foundations. I originally just kind of rammed dimensional storage inputs onto the end of every line, but now that Im getting towards the end of tier 8, Im frequently finding myself out of building materials, as well as not making use of alt recipes.

[north summit]

What’s the most efficient way of removing water from aluminum production

I can’t think of any way other than packaging and sinking it

Maybe

[median geyser]

Diluted fuel into generators?

And then insert as many fuel upgrades as you see fit

[sterile blade]

There's many more things that take water as input 😉
You can use whichever you find more convenient or fun or less complex... Preference 🤷‍♂️

[dense violet]

reuse it in the aluminium process

[fluid sapphire]

you're likely running out because your buffer size is small

[wicked nacelle]

ESPECIALLY if you get instant scrap -- it exactly matches the sulfuric acid water. but on the others you can do it too it's just a little more fidgity

[fluid sapphire]

i like just making pure ingots myself hehhhehh

[dense violet]

#design-and-architecture message

[wicked nacelle]

that's generally the right approach with where to put uploaders. -- you're not smart splitting away from them are you? -- you should smart split PREFER the uploader path and overflow to downstream production. and for some resources you may need more than one but for most 1 is more than plenty. How many stack upgrades do you have?

[median geyser]

I just unlocked the last round of upgrades, both for speed and for stack size. I may or may not be splitting some of them, but with preference given to the dimensional storage

[wicked nacelle]

yeah okay. That's weird. I don't think I ever ran out of stuff other than doing huge bulk builds and then I'd just go and pick up 10-15 stacks... like rubber for fuel gens. Doesn't make sense to try to upload to keep up with that for putting down 100 gens or whatever

or building out huge power storage -- you just really can't use dimensional storage for that

[median geyser]

Its mostly stuff like wire or concrete, stuff that is in tons of stuff

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, concrete it's not uncommon for people to have like 6 uploaders on it

[median geyser]

Daaamn

[fluid sapphire]

indeed, use multiple
#screenshots message

[wicked nacelle]

wire.. other than I think that's on power storage I don't think I've ever run out of

[median geyser]

okay so a concrete factory is what I need, not revamped iron production 😂

[wicked nacelle]

but that's by far the one that people have the most on. 2 is a lot for most other things.

[fluid sapphire]

depends

[median geyser]

But also I have a ton of alts now, so ill prob revamp the old stuff anyway

[wicked nacelle]

remember you don't need a massive production rate -- you just need an ISC or two and like 6 uploaders

[fluid sapphire]

how about an ISC or 24

[wicked nacelle]

you're not CONSTANTLY putting down a ton of concrete. There's tons of time for it to build back up in an ISC after you're done putting down a new factory foundation

[glass hound]

where do i report bugs? i foun one with keep inventory

[wicked nacelle]

satisfactoryqa -- google it I forget the exact url

[leaden turret]

tfw stack size went from 200 to 500 and storage would actually be full by the time you ran out

[leaden turret]

!qa

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @leaden turret

[glass hound]

ty

[deep fable]

i think my friend and I created a railgun

[wicked nacelle]

yeah the bot link is the right site

[vapid whale]

hey guys i got a quick question, if i want to disable creatures completely will it impact the game later? cuz i see they drop remains, are those used for something important down the road?

[wicked nacelle]

just look in the mam -- that's all. you don't super need it for anything.

[leaden turret]

things creature parts are useful for:

• biomass
• inhalers
• dna sink points

[wicked nacelle]

and coupons.

yeah. but you can get all those things other ways too.

[deep fable]

who knew that if you stuck 250 nobelisks on your friend and have him tazer you you'd create a railgun to launch you to a new map

[wicked nacelle]

you can also turn them back on right? so if you change your mind later, you can change your mind later 🙂

@vapid whale the game is nice in that you really can't make any decisions that hurt you permanently.

[vapid whale]

i guess thats right

[vapid whale]

ok dosent sound too important. ill have to check what dna sink point is ig

[north summit]

I have backlog of water from my water pumps

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch awesome sink

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=awesome+sink

[wicked nacelle]

@vapid whale ^^^^

[north summit]

Smart

Actually very smart

[vapid whale]

i see, and are dna sinkpoints only obtainable from mobs remains? or are there other ways

[north summit]

Ty I’ll something similar when I get home but on a more industrial scale since I have a rediculous amount of Baxuite being imported by train

[wicked nacelle]

all they get you are coupons and you can get coupons sinking factory items too -- they're an easy way to get more but you can easily beat the game with just sinking factory parts

[north summit]

Speaking of trains my Caterium station is still having going up hill issues

I got a work load ahead tomorrow

[vapid whale]

oh i see, so basically from what im understanding, i can still turn mobs off and be able to complete everything in the game

thk u

[wicked nacelle]

yes you'll just have a slightly easier and slightly harder time at the same time 🙂 -- easier because nothing attacking you -- harder because there are some nice things you can do with their parts

[north summit]

I am very excited to delve into nuclear thougj

[wicked nacelle]

it's fun but there's waste liquids there too

[vapid whale]

yeah, i just find them very underwhelming, to the point where i dont see the point of them being here anymore. just wanna focus on my factory at this point. if they were harder or more punishing i wouldve kept them in

[north summit]

Yes I know

[wicked nacelle]

fair enough. once you start building in an area and then kill them they don't respawn. Also have you been to the swamp?

[north summit]

Nuclear waste isn’t sinkable either but it could be after processing if I’m right

Idk tho either way I’ll make things work

[sterile blade]

If you want "very smart", try fiddling with Sloops 😉
Hint: ||The whole process makes less water-per-bauxite than it needs, so you need to add some fresh water. Sloops, though, can increase how much Water is made for every Bauxite ore processed...||

[vapid whale]

i havnt played the game too much, still finishing factorio (taking a long time cuz im doing a hard challenge run lol). but ive tested sf a bit and liked the factory aspect of it. gonna figure all that out once i get to it

[wicked nacelle]

yes once you turn uranium waste into plutonium fuel rod you can sink that. plutonium waste has to be turned into ficsonium and for some reason you can't sink that BUT you burn it with no waste

[wicked nacelle]

well there are spiders and hogs that are .. moderately challenging until you get full mid-game gear. but the little things that ram you do get annoying

[wicked nacelle]

wait can you actually get it water neutral? like you make aluminum with no ongoing fresh water input?

I guess with sloppy it can be water positive

[sterile blade]

I don't remember wether it's achievable with all recipes, but yes.
Aka "slooped aluminum" or "waterless aluminum"

[somber monolith]

If I have 210 go straight back to its alumina solution partner and insert 90 into the system will it not back up?

[leaden turret]

imagine if factorio:

• had no base defense
• infinite resources
• a 3rd dimension so you could build up
• actually looked nice

😛

[wicked nacelle]

though you'd never want to dedicate sloops to aluminum long term but that's actually funny. never thought about slooping things with waste byproduct

[dense violet]

it's simple and very reliable

[sterile blade]

~~ - And worsened its tutorial~~

[dense violet]

it works on any scale - keep them in small segments - process each belt of bauxite on it's own. Don't merge them together

[somber monolith]

If not how do I make it into a loop

[sterile blade]

Lacking context 🤔

[umbral flame]

is there a way to pull less than a stack from the depot

[sterile blade]

I don't think so...

[vapid whale]

i like both personally. i enjoy what factorio has to offer, with the whole base defense thing. and i appreciate sf for being able to feel like im genuenly in my factory (thx to the 3d aspect). it allows to make cool looking builds too. one thing i wouldve liked was if sf had more challenging enemies, i find them very easy to deal with even at the start of the game. but ig it doesnt matter

[leaden turret]

nuclear cliff hog

[sterile blade]

Subject of the sentence is unclear.
Setup of the machines isn't pictured or described.
I can't grasp the context from this message alone (I didn't see any others)

[dense violet]

maybe go oto #math-and-meta and post images of what you're trying to do?

as it is it makes no sense

[somber monolith]

I’m asking if for bauxite refinement if I can just loop the water back to the first step and just add in a enough water to fill the rest of the pipe

[north summit]

Spicy Bacon

[dense violet]

yes but not enough info

[north summit]

[dense violet]

what recipes? how are you looping it? ect
images in #math-and-meta

[sterile blade]

I imagine that "Satistorio" has sparked many wet dreams

[north summit]

Satisfactory 2.0 new planet full of nuclear hogs and impure coal nodes

[sterile blade]

Yeah, you can, in a few ways... People were kinda discussing exactly that xD (how to do it, why do it one way instead of another)

[north summit]

Nothing but nuclear hogs and impure coal

[somber monolith]

Idk how to screen shot satisfactory modeler as I haven’t built it yet

[dense violet]

use the snipet tool

search 'snipping tool' in your windows search

[sterile blade]

If you print your screen, you can paste the result in many different softwares (even Discord) like image editing tools and such...

[ocean frost]

You forgot

• no circuit network
• Much more limited blueprinting
• no train schedules
• no construction bots

[remote orbit]

Are they adding a new planet in the next major update?

[wicked nacelle]

there is no 'next major update'

[leaden turret]

reminder that we don't need a new planet given we've only seen one continent

[sterile blade]

You are Ficsit' construction bot

[remote orbit]

Ah

[remote orbit]

Trueeee

[wicked nacelle]

not publicly planned at least

[leaden turret]

that's like australians saying "I wanna travel to mars for vacation" cos the concept of going to europe is 🤯

[somber monolith]

the loop https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1444280211754586206/image.png?ex=692c2243&is=692ad0c3&hm=310167db285e91b4ee9320cb0da533166ec07bed42f4fc48359629fa5dc1252b&

[remote orbit]

Its probably cheaper aswell 😂 im Australian btw

[leaden turret]

you've got australian tax either way 😛

[wicked nacelle]

dollarydoos

[ocean frost]

Plot twist satisfactory is the prequel to Dyson Sphere Program

[dense violet]

pinged you in other channel

[remote orbit]

Wdym?

[leaden turret]

paying through the nose for everything 😛

[ocean frost]

they also get paid through the nose

[remote orbit]

I'm still confused 😂

[leaden turret]

-# don't y'all still have poopy exchange rate and pay ridonculous markup on imports (even digital ones?)

[remote orbit]

I mean maybe??? But that could also be because our minimum wage is like $24.10 AUD about 14 smth american

[north summit]

No clue just joking around

[remote orbit]

And we also dont have to add tax when we pay for things so 🤷

[merry granite]

As an australian, i dont pay taxes.

but thats neither here nor there

[remote orbit]

Wdym u dont pay taxes 😂 ATO is going to be after ur ass 😂

[merry granite]

My roommate works at a call center for the ATO lmao

[remote orbit]

Nah thats hilarious 😂

[leaden turret]

australia doesn't exist and this therefore #off-topic-general

[wispy spoke]

must breed nuclear hogs with reinforced frames

[remote orbit]

Bruh, just finished rebuilding my coal plant and it doesn't want to start up 💀

Might have to slowly start it up to get the water going 💀

[median geyser]

Is there a hotkey that makes me switch between jetpack and hoverpack?>

[random garnet]

These path signals are confusing.

I’ve followed this design for a 4 way intersection and out the path signals EXACTLY where it told me to. But when I add the last path signal on the junctions entrance it just makes the others break and they all say it loops into itself?

[median geyser]

Is the junction currently the only, or the last, part of your track?

[random garnet]

What do you mean last part of the track?

[sterile blade]

That it doesn't have rail on 2 sides

[median geyser]

If youre building a new track, and youve gotten to the point you want a junction, you start throwing one together, and it is, at this time, the end of the your current track

[random garnet]

The 4 way junction doesn’t actually fully connect to anything or any stations right now

[median geyser]

That's your issue, ignore the path warning for now

Well, that's one issue for sure. Might be more, you can troubleshoot it later

You need blocks going in and out of the intersection for the paths to work

[sterile blade]

Note: when copying others' design, it's advisable to test things out (possibly on a small scale) first, to understand how all the building pieces work before putting them together on a larger scale

Easier to learn, less and smaller mistakes to correct

[random garnet]

I think my issue with this first play through so far is I keep trying to make everything LOOK good and nice when in reality I should probably be just getting through the game then my next playthrough I’ll take it extra slow to look all nice

[dense violet]

or wait till you've unlocked everything. Practice and planning is really needed for prettiness

[random garnet]

I have this issue with a lot of games, I like thing to be in my head perfect and look neat

Most the time it makes the game take way longer than is needed to do even the most simplest of things

[dense violet]

just depends what you're really after. Will you keep playing after you've finished phase 5?

[random garnet]

How many phases are there?

[dense violet]

5

[random garnet]

Maybe, I’m not entirely sure tbh I love this game as of right now and I can see myself playing it again someday to do things better

[dense violet]

my recommendation then is to just treat the tiers liek a good tutorial. Learn then make your pretty projects after you've got al lthe tools and abit more practice

[near thicket]

How do I move blue prints from computer to computer?

[dense violet]

copy the BP files from one BP folder to another

#faq folder location shoudl be listed here

[north summit]

Do trains struggle going up hill on auto pilot

[ocean frost]

they go slower

[random garnet]

If I do a storage depo next palythrough definitely gonan have to plan it out better so stuff won’t get backed up like it will do on this run

[north summit]

Yeah but like I’m having an issue where they start rolling backwards like right at the end of the railway

Going up

[leaden turret]

https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q=warehouse AND architecture

see also "overflow storage to sink"

[small pilot]

When I have a hypertube junction and I'm coming towards it, sometimes the blue direction indicators travel quite a long way and sometimes the edge of the junction just flashes. Is there any way to consistently get the bigger indicator?

[random garnet]

What is that?

[leaden turret]

community highlights of archicturally interesting storage depots

[random garnet]

Thing is I like the idea of a storage depot as it means I can jsut grab whatever I need whenever

[reef basin]

Depots to that automatically

[thorn spear]

Guys I was wondering like I just got started in automation games so I'm wondering should I buy satisfactory or factorio as like learning to basic or are there a whole completely different games

[small pilot]

Very different games but they're both amazing

[reef basin]

They are very different games

[dense violet]

very different game s

[leaden turret]

do you want first-person 3d with no base defense and infinite resources, or top-down 2d with base defense and limited resources?

[random garnet]

The way I set mine up is fine but I don’t fully understand conveyors and splitters etc so the issue is my storage depot has a SINGLE conveyor belt that moves all the dropped off stuff round the depot to end stored which is going to ofcourse back up eventually and new stuff won’t be able to be dropped off

[leaden turret]

-# see also "do you want a game that looks nice or fugly", but that's more graphical bias speaking

[thorn spear]

Ty guys for the help

[dense violet]

satisfactory is much more sandboxy , your own project type of game

[random garnet]

Even if I set it up so overflow gets sunk it’s still slow and doesn’t do to well

[thorn spear]

Ohh ok

[dense violet]

over flow to sink should solve that

[leaden turret]

use more than one belt? 🤷‍♂️

[random garnet]

I do have overflow set to go into the sink but I think the issue is stuff doesn’t leave the train station fast enough so by the time a new train comes it can’t really drop off much

[dawn path]

#screenshots message
@obsidian zodiac pioneer helmet finishes when?

[random garnet]

I tried but I’m struggling so hard to comprehend how to do it proper and have it all split off as it should

[dense violet]

I think I mentioned to you before platforms have limited throughput

you also need to buffer them properly

[random garnet]

Buffer them?

[dense violet]

1 belt to a double storage container , 2 belts to platform
reverse on unload

is typical

but you also can't have 10 trains dropping things off to 1 station

at least you have to build it in a very specific way if you're doing it that way

[random garnet]

So it probably would have been better if I planned it out to have like multiple stations? As in one station per resource that gets dropped off?

[dense violet]

depends on how much throughput you're expecting

1 platform can never more 2 full belts of items pm

the more trains you have stopping there, the less pm it can move

[thorn spear]

Wait satisfactory have inf resources?

I prob gotta watch some gameplay

To see what I'm going for

[dense violet]

factorio is about designing factories that are supposed to accept basically random resources being dropped off

satisfactory is about dedicated systems always on

[thorn spear]

Ty for the explanation

[random garnet]

I wish I could edit the trains drop off stuff so it will only say drop off a small amount each time it comes through instead of it’s whole container

[dense violet]

like you could probably have 10 trains stopping at a station if you don't have more than like 1/40th of a belt of throughput per car per platform ?

[dense violet]

it'll do that when the buffer is full and then keep going and drop off the rest elsewhere ?

[dawn path]

what's the fuss about full mk2 pipes? why do they "not work" at 600/min?

[ocean frost]

It infinite as in it never runs out its not, you are limited to how much you can mine / min

[random garnet]

Tbh I guess I only have just set up one train going to the depot from its factory in a loop… I haven’t even set it up so that train also takes its stuff elsewhere

[hard ivy]

mine work fine

[dense violet]

they do, you just can't treat them like belts. And know a few things about them

[reef basin]

They do work at 600/min

[dawn path]

i know they do, just a lot of people experience issues at 600/min and i wanna know where that comes from

[dense violet]

you can make any system very complicated or very simple in this game 🙂 for trains? it's just having them go from point A to B

simple that is

[dense violet]

a lot of pipes run at high volumes will experience back flow if you don't loop it
or if they feed machines from below
or have elevation changes within the manifold
or split the system into multiple branches

mostly the trick is to just keep your pipes simple.
You can do fancy things with them, but you need to know how

[dawn path]

okay so just uneducated players then
i had a general idea of all these tricks from before, just wanted to confirm

[ocean frost]

Back flow isn't something that you are told about in game

[dense violet]

you do have to look into it - it doesn't have a full in game tutorial. And the wiki could use a page on all that

[dawn path]

you arent really told about 90% of pipe mechanics ingame tbh

[dawn path]

what about the glorious pipe manual?

[dense violet]

it has a lot of bits of info but doesn't have fine tuning. Like all the bits I mentioned above

like afaik there's nothing in the pipe manual that directly warns you of elevation changes within a manifold causing flow issues

[ocean frost]

It also seems that recycling water works for some people and doesn't for others

[dawn path]

weeell
i kinda see that as more common sense when you consider how pipes work

[dense violet]

ehhhhh.... kind of? I definitely wouldn't blame people for not expecting small elevation changes making that big a difference

one time I couldn't figure out why this guy's looped fuel manifold just kept stuttering.
it wasn't until I got a hold of his save that I spoted that some of his gens on one side were 0.5m higher off the ground so technically fed a bit from below

[vital willow]

How can I unlock empty Fluid tanks?

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch empty fluid tank

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=empty+fluid+tank

[dense violet]

!wikisearch empty_cannister

[hard ivy]

though tbf only Tier 8 - Advanced Aluminum Production is a viable option

not sure why the others unlock them as well

[novel heath]

can fleight fluid train be filled with nitrogen gas or nah

[mortal ginkgo]

yep

[hard ivy]

nitrogen is a fluid. so yes

[mortal ginkgo]

its much better to get them in via the fluid tanks tho

[dense violet]

it can but you shouldn't

gas does very poorly with buffers

so unless you're expecting to use only like 1/2 the gas you're tryign to move I'd package

[novel heath]

wdym buffers btw
im planning to use only about 360m3 so i assume that should be fine

[hard ivy]

pipe it?

[ember silo]

I love that it is calle FLUID casnister and most of its contents are actually gas.

[hard ivy]

all gasses are fluids

[ocean frost]

you should be fine, gas in a canister is compressed 4x I think, you can also use a packager to get the flow you want

[dense violet]

the internal buffers in trains, plus any fluid buffers you normally need to buffer train platforms. The flow is awful

if you need 360 on one platform I'd try to move at least 600 then

[dense violet]

gasses are fluids

and when compressed enough, become liquid

[ember silo]

In this sense yes

[novel heath]

one more thing im planning to use packagers for transporting oil so id like to ask how if im doing it right. What i did was run 2 freight platforms and have one bring the packaged oil and the other bring back the canisters

[dense violet]

seems reasonable

[near thicket]

If I move a blueprint from one save to another, and it was made with a higher tier of blueprint maker than I have unlocked, will it still work?

[dense violet]

sure but you can't edit it there

[near thicket]

That's fine I just want my standard generic stuff

[somber monolith]

Is the silica for more alluminum ingots worth the time transporting it and setting up the extra machines

[dense violet]

thats a choice that's up to you - would you rather just import more bauxite? or move silica?

[south sinew]

I prefer the coke aluminium route, fewer annoying products and you get pretty reasonable rates

[hard ivy]

All defaults and all alts have the same bauxite efficiency. Considering that alts remove silica entirely and replace coal with a lot less oil, it's a no-brainer

[south sinew]

I think when I ran the numbers you get different bauxite efficiencies for different routes

[hard ivy]

But using default ingot does give you 33.33% more output

At the cost of a lot of silica

[somber monolith]

Also best recipe for most scrap per alumina solution

[hard ivy]

So 🤷‍♂️

[somber monolith]

Electrode and default ingots is most aluminium efficient recipes

Most aluminium per bauxite

[dense violet]

• sloppy too. But would require ass tons of quartz

[hard ivy]

Yeah, sloppy, electrode and default gives you 4 ingots for 3 bauxite

But sloppy electrode and pure gives 1 for 1 and requires 0 quartz

[somber monolith]

I forgot sloppy

[hard ivy]

So it depends which one you care about more

[somber monolith]

It would prob be ok in a area with little to no quarts or if u just don’t wanna import to that area

[sullen gull]

I'm a personal fan of sloppy electrode pure. Makes numbers easy.

[south sinew]

well, bauxite is generally harder to come by than quartz, but they're not often conveniently co-located and the sloppy/electrode/pure setup is just easier relaly

[hard ivy]

Yeah, it's 3:4:20 and the total water is 600. Very nice numbers and an easy setup to repeat

[sullen gull]

3:4:20? (I don't usually pay attention to ratios)

[whole drum]

Other than the extra effort in involved, this usually isn't that bad because it's everywhere and not needed for too many things

[hard ivy]

3 sloppy refineries, 4 electrode refineries, 20 pure smelters. 600 bauxite, 180 water, 240 coke into 600 ingots

[whole drum]

True, usually not too close together

[somber monolith]

The one on the oil coast on the west is pretty close just very vertical

[dense violet]

you'd have to really avoid other crystal/silica recipes unless you're only making a modest about of bauxite that way

[sullen gull]

Er, I do it with 2:2:8 .... Overclocked though.

[dense violet]

I'm not even sure there's enough quartz on the map to do all bauxite Sloppy Electrode normal ingot

[sullen gull]

Still the same inputs.

[dense violet]

I think there was pre 1.0 but unsure since the node/belt changes

[whole drum]

I don't use many alt recipes that involve quartz and you don't need much before aluminum.

[dense violet]

oh you can basically cut out all quartz/silica from every other recipoe and only make a few oscilators sure.

but a lot of the other silica/crystal recipes are pretty handy too

[whole drum]

I may have to play with those more just to see how it feels

[sullen gull]

24 6x6 (25th clocked differently for the extra 300) blueprints with 2 sloppy, 2 electrode, 8 pure, 25 water extractors, 17/17 HOR/Pet coke. Does all 12,300 baux

[somber monolith]

Why do I unlock crude oil as a scannable twice in teir 8 and 5

[dense violet]

the quartz purification chain looks interesting for that too

[dense violet]

possibly the fraking nodes?

unsure though

[ocean frost]

Sometimes people skip unlocks

[sullen gull]

Quartz purficiation is a nice chain for sure.

[somber monolith]

Maybe but I thought those were already included

[somber monolith]

How can u skip plastic and rubber

[dense violet]

Like I said - unsure xD never noticed if fraking nodes pinged early on and never noticed oil being unlocked twice 😄

[hard ivy]

I haven't figured out a good setup for a 250% overclock yet. It doesn't work out nearly as nicely as at 100%.

I'm not a big fan of placing more machines than I absolutely have to, and repeating a setup where not every machine is at 100% uptime makes me feel like I could combine those fractional ones.

So for 250% I'm considering putting everything in one setup and dealing with water via packaging XD

[ocean frost]

Who knows crash sites

[sullen gull]

I have a blueprint I can send you if you want to take a gander

[hard ivy]

The second one should be the fracking nodes

[whole drum]

The fracking nodes are a separate unlock/scan

[somber monolith]

I don’t think there’s enough

[sullen gull]

I've yet to be able to "break it"... Maybe you can have better luck 😏

[dapper marten]

Anyone have a nice 3 way rail way support BP? For just one train system

[ocean frost]

What's a 3 way

Asking for a friend

[whole drum]

A friend and someone else...

[ocean frost]

I'm getting mixed signals

[whole drum]

Just use block signals then 😆

[ocean frost]

Complex intersections need path signals

[whole drum]

That's only if you need to let more than one in at a time

[hard ivy]

I ain't gonna say no but I doubt I'm gonna use it.

I'm a stickler for placing exactly as many machines the calculator says and not a single one more, so in a build where everything is at 250%, aluminium has to be too. And the 3:4:20 ratio that's 100% efficient doesn't really work well at 250%. The total water is 1500. At least 3 pipes. The total scrap is 3k. 3 belts. 1500 ingots. Barely over 1 belt. Nothing works out well.

And making it smaller leads to machines that either aren't at 250% speed or lower than 100% uptime. So I'm just over here like

[chilly garden]

does anyone know if its possible to turn mr bean spawns off?

[whole drum]

A mod maybe?

You can kill them and the corpse will despawn

[hard ivy]

And then the bean will respawn

[chilly garden]

im just ashamed that they want to spawn inbetwen my refinerys

[hard ivy]

You can probably mod them out

[twin forge]

I'm about to automate 38 pressure conversion cubes a min 19 are going to nuclear pasta and 19 are going to plutonium fuel rods wish me luck

[chilly garden]

may God leave u

[scenic mirage]

why tho

[twin forge]

Big power with ficsonium

[runic sage]

First time playing the game and i beat phase 5 in 175 hours total

[whole drum]

Does this game even have a speed-run community?

[twin forge]

How it took me 400 hours😭

[runic sage]

im just that good bro

[scenic mirage]

you can do it fast if you're only trying to beat the game

[novel heath]

did you stockpile and somersloop?

[runic sage]

i didnt "beat" phase 5 yet but i just finished automating all the phase 5 mats

[whole drum]

I feel like it could be done in 30-50ish if someone knew exactly what they were doing

[runic sage]

so in some time ill be done

wdym stockpile somesloop?

[near thicket]

If I use Any Undefined over Overflow will that make it so that if an input belt is faster than an output belt it'll wait for the stack to get fully handled before continuing on instead of just shipping off the leftovers of the stack because of lack of thoroughput?

[hard ivy]

I believe that sentence contains an oxymoron

[novel heath]

stockpile space parts then somersloop so you can make the bare minimum

[south sinew]

no

[near thicket]

Is there ANYWAY to do that or do I just need to match belts

[runic sage]

i honestly have no idea what you mean 😭

[south sinew]

the behaviour you've described wanting is basically just slowing down the input belt anyway

so either slow down the input or speed up the output

there's no magic that can make a slower output belt handle a faster input belt

[scenic mirage]

is there a way to like calculate a hypertube cannon? like to land in my factory?

[south sinew]

you can make a cannon that goes into a regular hypertube, it's a little slower than a normal cannon, but delivers you exactly to the output you desire

[novel heath]

make a shitty factory for lets say thermal repulsion rocket by grabbing individual parts for it and linking it up to storage containers along with somerslooping it
so not fully automating it essentially but with what you said previously ig you didnt

[runic sage]

just use it a couple times until you get the right amount of power needed

[scenic mirage]

im tryng go like 5km southeast tho, i dont rlly wanna have to keep going back and forth that far

[runic sage]

ah, i did it for nuclear pasta in phase 4 but now i automated nuclear pasta (20 per min), biochem scultor (10 per min) ai expansion server (8 per min) and ballistic warp drive, i forgot how many exactly but almost done with it since it was the 2nd one i did

[whole drum]

It's better to somewhat overkill your flight power since you can counter it mid-flight with inputs

[scenic mirage]

fair

[whole drum]

Build cannons on both ends

[near thicket]

Yes but no one really does full game runs. There's a category for each phase of the space elevator, most people just do up to first package, sometimes second. The meme catageories are befriending a doggo and obtaining one of every ore, there's also one for gathering every hard drive but pretty much no one is that psychotic

[novel heath]

would be really fun to watch with all the movements option available, i also wonder how would blueprints effect cause i heard you can grab a blueprint with an alt recipe you dont have and still use it lol

[whole drum]

So far, lol

[near thicket]

Blueprints can only be made during run

[runic sage]

i doubt under 50 hours is possible even if you do know what you're doing honestly

[whole drum]

Maybe just a matter of time. Factorio has speedrunners.

[scenic mirage]

i think i have almost all the hard drives in my save

[runic sage]

maybe if you go really tryhard its possible

[novel heath]

makes sense

[whole drum]

That's exactly what I mean

[near thicket]

The current record for any%(Last package shipped) with No major glitches is 7 hours

[novel heath]

last package shipped?

[runic sage]

phase 5 done in just 7 hours? thats insane

[near thicket]

If that's the case what is the functional difference between overflow and any undefined if any undefined also includes overflow?

[runic sage]

it prob took me at least 50 between when i finished phase 4 to phase 5

[scenic mirage]

im 334 hours rn and i only have the nuclear pasta done in phase 5

[whole drum]

Any Und won't allow defined though the extra output

[runic sage]

so what do i do now? do i make a house?

[somber monolith]

Is quartz useful other than aluminium, signs and windows

[runic sage]

honestly things seem way more complicated and annoying to do than they actually are

[south sinew]

any undefined takes priority over overflow

[runic sage]

it only took me like an hour or 2 to automate ballistic warp drives

[scenic mirage]

ya i needa get more power tho

[somber monolith]

How many

[runic sage]

making a nuclear power plant was prob the thing i spent the most time on

[runic sage]

i believe its 4 per min with somersloop or 2 without somersloop

[near thicket]

That's what I was asking though. If I have a splitter with an input of a tier 5 belt, and a right output of x product using a Tier 1 belt, and I hand feed 100 of x onto the line, it will take 60 and I'll lose 40 of it if I use any undefined, from what I was just told, so that does include overflow

[runic sage]

not much but since its the first one i did its fine

[novel heath]

oscilators, power shards, nuclear power and my favourite circuit board recipe

[south sinew]

you didn't mention anything about having a specific product set for a different output

[scenic mirage]

i slooped pretty much all the phase 4 stuff, i didnt actually automate it

[south sinew]

I don't think that actually changes the behaviour though

the splitter will try to output all items at the input rate

[scenic mirage]

i just had the parts sitting in storages and then threw them into slooped manufacturers or whatever

[whole drum]

If you have defined Iron Ingots through one output, it won't let them through the Any Und output, but will let them through Overflow if it backs up

[runic sage]

so guys

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message

[runic sage]

what do i do now??

[whole drum]

In most cases, just use Overflow. Any Und is mostly for sorting purposes and requires that your belt is balanced with no possibility of the output backing up.

[near thicket]

That's what I'm asking. If I have a sushi line getting split off that I am handfeeding, and one of the stacks on the line is currently 120 of an item being pulled off by a tier 1 belt on a smart splitter with Right -> Product, Center -> Any Und, will the entire belt freeze while the tier belt pulls off all 120 of the item, and then continue on once it's clear, or will it take 60 and the remaining 60 will get sent through the any undefined port

[whole drum]

It won't allow any through that there isn't room in the output for

[near thicket]

So will the extra get pushed through any undefined even though it's defined or will the belt freeze while the T1 belt pulls it all

[whole drum]

So if that defined product line is backed up, the whole thing is until it clears

[eager pilot]

I’d say north to the rocky desert

[near thicket]

Okay that's the behavior I want. I'm handfeeding pickuppables all through one line and I don't want alien mass to get sunk bc I put 70 of something into the sushi crate instead of 60

[whole drum]

If you're pushing 120/m into a sorter that can only output 60/m on the defined line, the whole thing will run at 60/m while it waits for space on the defined line

[near thicket]

I'd rather the line just back up until it's done none of this is speed dependent

I am aware the correct option is to just loop the overflow line back to the start with a merger but I'm being obstinate

[whole drum]

I'm not sure if alien biomass can even sink... I know some things can't

But I think you could solve it easier by just buffering the output with a storage container

[near thicket]

Mycelia to biomass being 15/m is so obnoxious lmfao

[whole drum]

Oh, I was thinking alien Protein, not biomass

[near thicket]

Yeah

My current line is one constructor for each alien into protein each into a dna constructor

Then slugs into batteries

then biomass for leaves/wood/myc, biomass into biofuel

DNA gets sunk, Batteries and Biofuel get crated, excess biofuel gets sunk

[whole drum]

So, protein cannot be sunk. You have to up it to DNA to sink it.

[near thicket]

But it's all one one line bc I just have a deposit box where I dump all my shit and it sorts itself

Yeah each protein is hooked up directly to a DNA constructor

[whole drum]

So yeah, just buffer those outputs with storage boxes and it won't have an issue with backing up. Everything goes where it needs to smoothly.

Put one between the sorter and the machine that processes it

This becomes a convenient method when you want to put stuff into the DD without having to use the personal uploader

[dreamy hornet]

for some reason I like when Minecraft bay default use more of my PC than instead of satisfactory do

[whole drum]

Never played MC, but have seen a fair bit of it. It's wild that it could/should ever do that.

At that point, ditch the stupid block aesthetic and just make a real game

[dreamy hornet]

I don't know why satisfactory refuse to use my amd gpu

[whole drum]

Oh, that's a different issue entirely

Depends on your OS too

Are you running it on Steam?

[dreamy hornet]

I'm not sure if the issue is with my game or the 40+ mods

[whole drum]

Try using the compatibility option to use Proton-GE Latest or Experimental

[dreamy hornet]

that doesn't matter what I use

[whole drum]

I mean in the Steam options

[dreamy hornet]

I mean the performance is about the same I have tried about 10 different proton

[whole drum]

If the Proton version doesn't change it, you may have a system setting in your OS that isn't correct, or a driver issue

[dreamy hornet]

can't be a driver issue other games that are new and old have no problem I mean about 10 years different

[whole drum]

I went through something similar trying to get D2R to work recently

[feral dragon]

Are there equal amounts of hard drives and alt recepies? aka do you need to collect all hard drives on the map?

[whole drum]

There are more HDs than you need

[dreamy hornet]

other games has no problem with performance

[whole drum]

Yep, and that's how it was for me. I had to update my drivers.

[feral dragon]

Ah ok, good. Any way to check how many more you need to get all alt recepies?

[whole drum]

Not that I know of

There is an achievement for finding enough of them tho

And that overkills the amount you need

[dreamy hornet]

the final are complaining about my drive being outdated even though my driver version is way newer than is recommended

[whole drum]

The other option I can think of is just try a different runner like Lutris

[dreamy hornet]

that's not going to change anything except be more broken

[whole drum]

It helps for some things, but probably you should ask someone more tech savvy in the Arch discord

People who can read logs and identify issues

[runic sage]

so what do i do after phase 5?

[whole drum]

Phase 6

[runic sage]

real 💔

[hard ivy]

Max nuclear

[dreamy hornet]

don't forget to finish the mam and all of the milestone

[runic sage]

wdym max nuclear

[pliant prawn]

Im so over this ridiculous nuke power. its been actual weeks with so little payoff. I wish I could just sink nonfisile and go do something else

[hard ivy]

Using all uranium on the map for maximum power. Or even converting more for even more power

Or like me, modding the game to make even more power possible

[runic sage]

im using 3 nodes out of 5 i think? why would i need more power tho?

[hard ivy]

It's not about "need". It's about "can"

[runic sage]

😭

[hard ivy]

Wait till you hear about Ficsonium

[scenic mirage]

no 😄

[pliant prawn]

im well aware. It wouldnt be so bad if I was trying to make a pretty world as well. It's just crazy how far you have to go from raw uranium alllll the way to plutonium rods before you can even turn it on

[hard ivy]

I mean you can just store uranium waste

For small setups, it's not even difficult

[pliant prawn]

that won't work for my play style. the storage farm would be insane, and again trying to make it look 'good'. I don't want to have to go back and have a fail state later down the line ticking bomb

[scenic mirage]

im gonna go for 36 uranium fuel rods/min then 16 plutonium rods/min

[whole drum]

Just bury it underground in New Mexico like everyone else

[pliant prawn]

my dumb a$$ over here just rying to do 6 u-rods lol

[hard ivy]

I wonder why irl nobody thought about putting it at build limit yet

[pliant prawn]

because we havent funded IRL KSP enough to launch the waste to jupiter lol

[steel kelp]

Can i sink non fertile uranium?

[pliant prawn]

sadly no

the wiki has the list

[steel kelp]

I just want to turn my nuclear power plant on lma

[pliant prawn]

saaaame lmao

[steel kelp]

I’m being impatient

After 144 nuclear power plants and double that amount of extractors, i just want it to be done

[feral dragon]

Found it "You have 56/112 alternative recipes unlocked"
Damn

[south sinew]

you gotta go all the way to plutonium fuel rods

[steel kelp]

Thats my plan, i just need to do the the plutonium pellets and encased plutonium cells

I say just, i still have like 100 machines to place

[edgy hedge]

If I accidentally fall of the cliff at the edge of the sandy desert, I guess that's whatever I was carrying gone? The chest appears to be at the bottom of the cliff

[south sinew]

you can build ladders down there I think

[edgy hedge]

Ok, I'll give that a go. Not that I can't replace what I had. Should be less clumsy 🙂

[pliant prawn]

if you like, for future "accidents" theres settings for what happens to you inventory after an..."oopsie"

[sturdy gate]

how add tag

[edgy hedge]

Oh yeah, I have "keep equiptment" on

[pliant prawn]

add tag?

[sturdy gate]

like the thingie next to your name that links to a server

[unkempt blade]

if you've gotten the hoverpack that might be an option too

[pliant prawn]

ohhh. y'know I don't know actually, sorry. Been wondering that myself

[leaden turret]

settings > edit user profile > server tag

wondering why Ben's is UNRL and not ALPC

[sturdy gate]

YAY

[unkempt blade]

I want a CART tag but then I'd have to actually give discord money I think 🙁

[brave basalt]

These?

[sturdy gate]

i got it 👍

[brave basalt]

Oh good

[dawn path]

how many trains yall reckon i'd need to bring oil aaaaaall the way from spire coast to the gold coast? (600/min)

[unkempt blade]

how big is the train?

[dawn path]

as big as i need it to be

[hard ivy]

How long does it take the train to go there and back?

[unkempt blade]

so is the question more how many freight cars you need?

[dawn path]

i've no idea 😭
if i had to guess i'd say 2 or so minutes maybe, one way

[hard ivy]

To calculate how many wagons you need, you need to know how long it takes to drive the route

[dawn path]

i guess i could just try and see when i set it up

if throughput's slow ill add another one

[hard ivy]

If it's 5-6 minutes both ways, 3 wagons should be enough

[unkempt blade]

if you're already using that much oil your power situation is probably well enough off that you can just use more trains than you think you'll need

like if you think you'll need 3 but you're not sure just run 2 trains of 3 and eat the little bit of extra power cost

[craggy stream]

I need to move copper ingots 800 meters for my aluminium factory, what’s the best way to do it? There’s a lot of hills and mountains in the way

[unique quest]

dude rebar gun suuuucks

[leaden turret]

belt all the things

[unkempt blade]

factory cart route

[unkempt blade]

you should stick to the basher it's the best weapon

[unique quest]

is there no better gun

[unkempt blade]

this is mostly a building game

[leaden turret]

[unique quest]

it is but hostile animals are annoying

[leaden turret]

make them not hostile then

[unkempt blade]

that's why you them

[whole drum]

It's actually awesome, but you have to get used to the projectile arc

And the shatter/explosive rebar alt ammos are good too

Stun seems pointless to me

[hard ivy]

I'd do belt(s)

[hard ivy]

Use better ammo for it

[dawn path]

youll really like the sulphur tech tree

[feral dragon]

You have multiple options, special explosives, high velocity rounds, etc. They are very effective

[midnight shore]

do yall think satisfactory is worth it cause i really want to buy it but i just wanna hear you guys thoughts before i fork up that much

[unkempt blade]

sorry no one here actually likes satisfactory we're just vibing

[leaden turret]

have you watched gameplay?

[midnight shore]

awh damn#

[midnight shore]

yea i just wanna know what you guys think cause its alot for me

[leaden turret]

add it to your wishlists and wait for it to be on sale 🤷‍♂️

[rancid condor]

I'm sorry to talk to you.
I'm trying to use the gamepad via steam link but it doesn't work. Does anyone know a fix? Please help.

[potent badge]

satisfactory has gone up alot in price since i bought it

[midnight shore]

it 33 pound its just so much

its

[unkempt blade]

have you played another factory game before?

[potent badge]

you should have bought it 4 years ago when it was 30 usd.....

tsk tsk tsk

[midnight shore]

i didnt have a pc then

[unkempt blade]

it's going to be like those but satisfactory is lighter on logistics/size of factory compared to Factorio or Dyson Sphere program but has more decorative building

[potent badge]

the time i bought satisfactory i had a potato for a laptop that couldnt run it so i used my sisters pc
but then i got a pc with my own money

[midnight shore]

i played this one decent like 3 years ago played some mid roblox ones but i really want a propper good one

[whole drum]

I'd say it's somewhere between Factorio and Minecraft, but with a much stronger aesthetic appeal

[midnight shore]

a random one on game pass i meant

[hard ivy]

Wait for a sale then

[unkempt blade]

it's a good game if you're actually into the factory/logistics stuff if you're not into it then I'd pick another game

[whole drum]

Watch some YT videos about it and see if it seems like your vibe

[potent badge]

i love making giant fields of nuclear reactors that are horribly inefficient but i can do it because i have too much stuff

[hard ivy]

I'd even pay 100 bucks for this game tbh. It's worth it

[midnight shore]

i really enjoy logistics so i think its a good fit

[potent badge]

we are not turning satisfactory into one of them triple a studio priced games

[whole drum]

Nope, CSS is

[unkempt blade]

for that price we deserve a second map and a mk2 factory cart at minimum!

[midnight shore]

well thanks for the info guys hopefully il get the game soon

[hard ivy]

And better Ficsonium

Considering I bought the game on epic and steam, and the soundtrack, if they give us a DLC, I'll probably spend 100 bucks total

For over 1000 hours of gameplay, and more to come, that's definitely worth it

[potent badge]

the soundtrack is legendary

[whole drum]

If you measure value as cost/playtime, Satisfactory has been a better value than Path of Exile

Despite having 7x playtime on POE

I would add the caveat that most of that play time was before 2.0 tho. POE has gradually become less and less approachable--even for veterans

[unkempt blade]

I don't know what you're talking about you just need to quit your job before each season starts and make sure your poop bucket is empty. Normal gamer stuff

[ivory condor]

Just use mods and pray its enough to fix Ficsonium

[whole drum]

I did, but it wasn't enough

[ivory condor]

less approachable even for veterans, that doesn't sound good

[whole drum]

I didn't have time to empty the poop bucket and now it's everywhere--my place is beginning to look like Asmongold's

[north summit]

Just empty the poop bucket in your neighbors yard, then it no longer your problem

[ivory condor]

[meager kiln]

I absolutely love clipping right now. I'm having so much more fun not stressing about it. Only run 2 though. I think for run 3 I'll try a proper no clip

Did have a question though, with all the cool designs I see where people clip together platforms and stuff to make cool designs , will they hurt performance or did the game just handle it fine

[whole drum]

Depends on your specs

[meager kiln]

In this case 7800x3d and a 3080 but I guess the answer might be yes lol

[whole drum]

I have a decent rig, so I don't notice a difference, but there is an object limit (hard to reach) and more stuff means more processing power

I don't think you'll notice it

Unless you stare at your fps counter

[meager kiln]

Gotcha gotcha I'm nowhere near that. I'm only milestone 6 lol

Thanks!

[hard ivy]

My mods are enough to fix fertile at least. Now finally, you can get more power with it than without it (from a fixed amount of uranium)

[whole drum]

I usually don't enable fps counter unless I need to troubleshoot

[ivory condor]

I know people that play all steam games with fps counter always on, don't ask me why

[meager kiln]

Fair enough , I don't think I'll get to a point then that it matters . I'm not creative enough to pull off the awesome stuff you guys do

[south canyon]

Autim

Though I strangely don’t have my FPS counter on, unless it’s Minecraft

[ivory condor]

I can pull off awesome stuff, I just copy it from other saves

or scim megaprints lol

[meager kiln]

I was thinking about getting a train network print but not sure

[unkempt blade]

Pretty much all saves lose some tick rate over time at least. Builds with lots of extraneous decorative stuff also make the save slower to save and eventually stress out some lower spec vid cards

[meager kiln]

I thought I saw a whole world loop

[hard ivy]

It's always better to build your own

[meager kiln]

Okay noted I will we'll see how my 3080 holds on

[meager kiln]

That's what I'm leaning towards

[south canyon]

Curious as to how M3 GPU performs then

[fluid sapphire]

3080 is a real chonker, you got nothing to worry about

[hard ivy]

If your GPU can handle an empty save, it'll handle an endgame one too. It's the CPU that can start to have issues with bigger builds

[meager kiln]

You can play on Mac ?

[south canyon]

yeah

[meager kiln]

7800x3d better keep up lol

[ivory condor]

one I liked was https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/megaprints/index/details/id/1219/name/Worldwide+Rail+Network+(240km) but sadly it was never updated for the 1.0 map, so parts of it clip through terrain, etc

[meager kiln]

Oh.. I didn't think my MacBook m1 pro could

[south canyon]

If I get 60fps all ultra but at 1080p, I should be set forever right?

[south canyon]

I have second thoughts about that… M5 is barely different from M1

[hard ivy]

You have nothing to worry about then

Unless you absolutely fill your render distance with machines

But then you can just decrease the render distance

[unkempt blade]

you've got to jack the render distance waaaay up so you can see the giant heads #screenshots message you build from way across the map 🙁

[south canyon]

What is the Fog of War? IT’S MENTIONED AS BEING DISSIPATED BT RADIO TOWERS, BUT I’M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS

[meager kiln]

Oh I meant like physically through steam. I could have sworn it was Greyed out

[ivory condor]

If that isn't your kind of doomed outside of getting a 9800x3d but those on average arent that much faster

[south canyon]

If you run the Windows version of Steam, via WINE it works

[unkempt blade]

open your map and the unrevealed is still fodg

[meager kiln]

Thank you!!!

[south canyon]

Oh, I thought it was the fog seen in game

[unkempt blade]

no that's the fog of peace, something totally different

[south canyon]

How do I dissipate that fog?

[unkempt blade]

video settings maybe? not sure really 😆

[south canyon]

I’m not in game rn so I’m most certainly glossing over everything

[ivory condor]

fog ingame cant be disabled outside of console commands

[whole drum]

Explore areas you haven't been to in that save

[south canyon]

I’ve definitely been disoriented completely by this fog numerous times

[whole drum]

Or use radar towers

[ivory condor]

wait which fog are we talking about again

[whole drum]

Map fog

Unrevealed terrain

[unkempt blade]

both types one after the other

[south canyon]

The conversation has moved towards Fog of Peace now

[whole drum]

Unleash the dogs of Peace!

[ivory condor]

doggos of peace

[brazen coral]

Finally unlock the rifle and all of its ammo, can't quite mass-produce the homing ammo yet only cuz I don't have a line set up for high-speed connectors.

But it is so much more helpful

[whole drum]

I find the base rifle ammo is usually the best

[hard ivy]

I just use nukes

[mortal ginkgo]

Guys. I am in a TIGHT spot! And I need your help!

I need like, 50 power shards. PRONTO!

No time to lose, no questions to answer! Send asap!

Thank you. Your kind impure limestone node friend.

[whole drum]

Can doggoes enter hypertubes?