satisfactory

[primal obsidian]

oh yea pressure conversion cubes

[quick hound]

ah

shit I dunno

[hard ivy]

you should never automate anything if you don't know what you're gonna use it for

[primal obsidian]

ok

[quick hound]

You never answered, how you doing?

[primal obsidian]

im so glad someone on this server made a train line so i dont have to setup a train line that goes across the whole map, only like 300-400m

[unkempt blade]

You should automate stuff just because it's fun. It's a factory game 😄

[primal obsidian]

yeah im asking if i should prioritze that over my nuclear power plant

or something else

like what stuff do i need first

[quick hound]

prioritize making plutonium

[unkempt blade]

Depends how much extra power you have right now. If it's not a ton I'd do power first

[whole drum]

When in doubt, power

[fiery pewter]

what channel would be best to show off my modeler shenanigans

[whole drum]

Was the lead singer of Linkin Park part of a boy band (other than Linkin Park)?

[hard ivy]

#math-and-meta?

[fiery pewter]

I could

Now I did

ty

[pale dragon]

Sorry random question but ps5 satisfactory had an update 1.005.000 or something and I'm just trying to figure out what the patch included. Sorry if wrong channel, new here 😅

[fiery pewter]

#patch-notes I'd say

[pale dragon]

Yes I'm pretty sure Chester Bennington was part of another boy band I just can't recall the name

[pale dragon]

Nothing there for an update today only 11/11

[whole drum]

Nsync, Savage Garden, Backstreet Boys... ?

[pale dragon]

Stone temple pilots, grey daze, dead by sunrise

[whole drum]

Only heard of the first one

[fiery pewter]

Then idk

[pale dragon]

No stress Ty tho

[whole drum]

He just sounds kind of... Disney, I guess

[pale dragon]

Lol

[fiery pewter]

:3

[primal obsidian]

should i be having more sulfur then i need go into a train cause some is lost or is having an exact amount and a storage on the other side fine

i mean both sides

[hard ivy]

you never need to produce more than you're consuming

trains do not delete items

[unkempt blade]

but I need more coupons!

[primal obsidian]

i mean like some throughput, like 600/min becoming 400 or 500/min

[whole drum]

Add more cars

[fluid sapphire]

a train can transport everything you give it just fine, provided you buffer both ends

[spring root]

can i make an elevated railtrack without using normal platforms, like is there some "train track support"

[hard ivy]

if you need to transport 600/min, you can absolutely build a system that can transport 600/min

[coral glacier]

Mk2 pipes

:D

[primal obsidian]

ok i guess ill just try it and see if it works

[whole drum]

Pretty sure if you have longer travel time, you just use more trains

[unkempt blade]

using factory carts!

the best vehicle in the game can easily handle 600/min

[coral glacier]

Conveyors always work :)

[whole drum]

That's what I always say, lol

[unkempt blade]

but they're only a fraction of the cuteness of factory carts

[hard ivy]

or longer trains

[coral glacier]

They don't have material deposit delay

Mic drop

[spring root]

just time how long it takes for the train to make a trip and back, divide that by the amount of items you need to transfer p/ minute and get enough cargo to move all of it

[unkempt blade]

I mean... does it affect the throughput? Not really

[zealous valley]

What's the best way to transfer materials over long distances and up a cliff?

Super long belt?

[glad quest]

best concrete recipe before refiners?

[coral glacier]

True, but trains have a higher construction cost than conveyor belts

[spring root]

train

[hard ivy]

default or fine

[glad quest]

fine ? is that the one with silica?

[dusky aspen]

#screenshots message i have to much SAM and this was the only my only idea what to do with it

12000 points per minute

[unkempt blade]

Unless you're speedrunning construction cost really isn't much of an issue in this game. Resources never run out

[white dawn]

(I'd also argue that in the long run trains are far cheaper to build than an equivalent amount of belts)

[quick hound]

Factory carts

[haughty torrent]

Are power storages actually that worth building a lot of? Just to provide 10,000MW for 24 hours would be 2,400 power storages. The only real use case I can see for them as a safety net if something goes wrong and the power facilities shut down and stop producing. Otherwise it's pretty easy to make sure your max consumption is within your max capacity.

[spring root]

fr!

[unkempt blade]

Depends how confident you are that you won't blow the fuse on your power grid. I like power storage a lot because it friendproofs my MP saves

[white dawn]

If you like; some folks like building them out. Personally, if you're worried about power, I think it's far more worth your time to just overbuild your power infrastructure. But many folks like having the safety net anyway

[hard ivy]

24h? I don't think I've ever run anything off power storage for more than like 2

[unkempt blade]

I also stick to about 2hr for my power storage

[whole drum]

Once you have priority power switches, batteries aren't super useful imo

[quick hound]

gilga can I have coffee??

[spring root]

they are if you want to make sure other factories can stay on for a bit longer

[fluid sapphire]

i ran my save on power storage for close to 300 hours i think hehhheh

[coral glacier]

Conveyors don't have issues crashing into eachother when their routes crossover :)

[whole drum]

As long as the power gens stay on, the rest can pause until I work stuff out

[spring root]

well yea i just mean they have a use there where you can allow the others to continue going for a while longer while you work out the power issue

[white dawn]

One thing I have done not infrequently in the past is set up some "offline" power storages which are sufficient to bootstrap whatever power-generation-plant they're attached to. So, like, get Fuel power going, hook up some power storages, and once the storages are full up, disconnect 'em. Then if the plant ever does go down, all I've gotta do is hook up the storages with the plant otherwise offline and it'll bootstrap itself

[unkempt blade]

If you don't know how to set up vehicle routes or use train signals this chat is really good at helping with those questions 😄

[willow jungle]

guys do the pumps have a distance limit, or just the head lift? like, could I (theoretically) have a 1km long cable working with a single pump as long as it doens't go up by more than the head lift?

[white dawn]

Though even then it's very much just Doing It For Fun™. The "better" solution (IMO) is still to just keep an eye on your power graphs and make sure you've always got more power than you need. :)

[haughty torrent]

I don't know man, sometimes I lose a few brain cells and it takes me more than 2 hours just to figure out how I'm going to set up a factory.

[white dawn]

Yes, you can theoretically do that, and it's entirely possible to get it to work well

[quick hound]

should I make a factory cart bowl with like 100 factory carts?

[white dawn]

Though keep in mind that pipe systems like being short and simple

If you do run into liquid flow problems on really long pipelines, you're likely to have a miserable time troubleshooting it

[unkempt blade]

if you build a skatepark and automate your route as you do tricks the automated carts will do them too. Totally worth it

[quick hound]

How is your fully factory cart base coming along?

[willow jungle]

ok, thank you very much. So knowing that a pipe doesn't go higher than the head lift, I can put the pump at any point, not necessarely before the pipe actually does go up?

[quick hound]

BET

[unkempt blade]

Poorly. I went for a hike and took a nap and made some cheese today instead 😆

[spring root]

also, are there seriously no corner foundations

[quick hound]

for fuck sake! GET TO WORK! >:(

[fiery pewter]

you sure

[coral glacier]

I'm just saying using conveyors is a better alternative to having to consider traffic coordination for trains when you can have multiple conveyor belts crossover eachother without the worry of material shipments being halted ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hard ivy]

you can (and even should) put the first pump before the pipe goes up

[fiery pewter]

did you count the awesome shop pieces?

[quick hound]

hey it’s blue white raccoon!

[spring root]

there are ramp corners but not corners

[fiery pewter]

Hey it is the overworld

[open swallow]

A Bowl of Macaroni and Cheese - Ronjoe Publishing, 2025

[quick hound]

how are you?

[fiery pewter]

I am talking about the rounded ones

[spring root]

they are 1/4th of a foundation

[fiery pewter]

#math-and-meta

[willow jungle]

oh uh, that's cause I've got a line of water extractors, I converge all of the pipes in a single location, and then they all go up. Having a pump on each pipe so clumped together is a bit of a mess, so I was just wondering if I could put the pump at the beginning of the pipe, just in front of the extractor

[fiery pewter]

oh you mean like, triangular pieces that take up the space of a whole block?

[hard ivy]

if one pump's gonna be enough, then yeah, you can put it right after the extractor.

but if you need multiple, the 2nd one will need to be on the vertical pipe. pumps don't add up - you only can add one when the previous one is close to running out (I mean you can earlier, but it's not necessary or useful)

[spring root]

yea, there are only ramp variants, for some reason tehre are no normal corners

i can not make a diagonal foundation for some reason

[fiery pewter]

dang

[spring root]

well you "can" with the down corner ramps, but again, those are ramps

[fiery pewter]

I think I silenced Nether

[quick hound]

bro I went to grab some food

whatchu want from me?

[fiery pewter]

you asked how I was doing

I replied...

[quick hound]

ah yeah

[zealous valley]

Is liquid biofuel better than regular fuel?

[hard ivy]

for the jetpack? absolutely. for power? absolutely not

[quick hound]

No.

[zealous valley]

What about vehicles?

[hard ivy]

why'd you fuel vehicles with something you can't automate

just use coal if you want something cheap and easy

[quick hound]

🌟 pain ⭐️

[fiery pewter]

#math-and-meta

[quick hound]

ty

[fiery pewter]

yw, I had the modeler open anyway so I could check

[quick hound]

Dm me a link to dat

[fiery pewter]

to the modeler as a whole?

me be confuse

[quick hound]

Yes

[fiery pewter]

1 sec

[quick hound]

[primal obsidian]

do i need 5 platforms for a train thats5 segments long even if im loading only the 3rd one

[quick hound]

Sneed, you don’t need 5 platforms if your only loading 3

[primal obsidian]

ok

[fluid sapphire]

if you want things to line up, you can use empty platforms

[primal obsidian]

ok i think i made this right cause the train hasnt told me that it cant reach the next station

now im gonna sit here and wait for it to come over here so i can see if it can leave the station aswell

[quick hound]

Make sure to stand on the tracks, the train won’t turn you into a pancake, I swear.

[primal obsidian]

uh huh

whatever you say ig

[quick hound]

Trust me 👁️ 👄 👁️

[primal obsidian]

omg i can see it

[quick hound]

open your arms to your trains embrace

[primal obsidian]

it just passed the station entirely so i guess i didnt add a way for it to acces it without going to a roundabout

[quick hound]

lol

[primal obsidian]

i mean i guess it technically works

it made it in the end\

now time to ride this train to the fuel rod factory

[quick hound]

fuel rod?? For what??

can I eat it?

[primal obsidian]

do i try to fix the intersection that takes you to the station to save 5 seconds or not

[quick hound]

yes

[primal obsidian]

48 nuclear power plant

[quick hound]

otherwise ADA will take your coffee away

[quick hound]

can I eat your nuclear reactors?

[open swallow]

I hope you can unhinge your jaw like a snake or something

[quick hound]

I can unhinge my beak, yes.

[wicked nacelle]

You’re always unhinged 😛

[quick hound]

that I am.. that I am..

how you doing, xannon?

[spring root]

i find it kinda funny that black powder and compacted coal have the exact same recipe

in different amounts

[quick hound]

One you can short, one you can eat.

Snort*

[spring root]

so now when i want to set up compacted coal for turbofuel production and i want to start setting up black powder for smokeless powder and that chain, i can just use the same resources

[ivory condor]

btw did you figure out that FFR production?

[primal obsidian]

person who setup this train line decided to set only caterium and copper to unload at the nuclear station so now for sure itll work

[dense violet]

pretty normal with chemistry and processing

[spring root]

well yea i understand that, but i really like it cause it heavily simplifies my work

[ivory condor]

ficsonium fuel rod

[primal obsidian]

is it worth burning plutonium fuel rods and turning it into fisconium or should i just sink the excess from my nuclear

[reef basin]

both are valid options

[white dawn]

Depends how highly you value both 1) Burning your Plutonium Rods, and 2) Having "clean" nuclear after the fact

[open swallow]

and 3) your time

[ivory condor]

Define worth it

[white dawn]

Eh, Time commitment and difficulty (and PC melting) are way overblown concerns, IMO

Yes, it's some extra factory to build, but you're not gonna destroy your computer or your playtime building it out

[ivory condor]

My person opinion FFRs are horrible, everyone will have a different view on such things of course

[white dawn]

It just comes down to the two desires of both burning the Pu rods, and still wanting "clean" nuclear.

If you want both those things, then go ahead with Ficsonium. It's a fun little production line!

[open swallow]

Here's a compromise: build the sink first, then design the plant that uses ficsonium in the meantime

sink until it's ready

[ivory condor]

I thought they would be interesting but then they ended up being such a unique kind of bad I just didnt bother with them at all, especially SAM usage, its insane how expensive they are with SAM

[white dawn]

If you don't want both of those things, though, it's definitely a hard sell. It's quite resource intensive, and you don't get much extra power out of it

[wicked nacelle]

it's crazy to me how many people care about "ratios" and "light colors" and don't care about your factory won't run without your intervention

[white dawn]

I mean, on the other hand, I built out about half a terawatt of nuclear power on my 1.0 save, including Ficsonium, and I was still far from exhausting the map's SAM even including all the other uses I was putting it to

If you're doing a really big nuclear buildout, then yeah, you may be in danger of running out of SAM

[charred sandal]

Whats the best path for turning oil the most plastic/rubber as possible? Say an even split

[white dawn]

But even its SAM usage is, IMO, mostly overblown. I wasn't even slooping any of the SAM production

[wicked nacelle]

HOR diluted fuel recycled rubber/plastic -- ratio doesn't matter

you just take the output of half your machines and plug them into the input of the other side. You get 1 rubber or plastic per unit of fuel you put in

[primal obsidian]

i mean its gonna be 48 reactors so idk if thats considered big or not but maybe i should just do fisconium cause its a factory game and building factories is the whole point

[charred sandal]

all right. thanks

[wicked nacelle]

as long as you're not planning on building a lot of stuff for sink points then there's plenty of sam for a big ficsonium setup You just can't do both

[white dawn]

In the end, you'll want to plan it out and see how it goes, of course. :) There is a limit to how far SAM will stretch with Ficsonium; it's certainly not impossible to exhaust SAM when doing big nuclear-with-Ficsonium buildouts

[open swallow]

imo, turn it all into plastic, then use residual for any rubber

[white dawn]

IMO it should be entirely doable up to maybe a TW of power, though you may start needing to sloop some RSAM at that point

[ivory condor]

Really because https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=JYjFE5jn9hzGgxfdUuVU that isnt the max FFRs and I'm still using 100% of the worlds SAM and I could be making more plutonium waste but I'm still running out of SAM in this case

[primal obsidian]

im getting ahead of myself though cause i havent even finsihed the plant

[ivory condor]

also with that setup I was going the most efficient route for plutonium production but SAM yeah it just wasn't enough and I was running out SAM regardless easily, because these recipes just are so expensive indeed

[hard ivy]

0.5 TW is barely anything in the nuclear world. Especially a 3-stage plant

[white dawn]

Right, as I say: if you build nuclear big enough, it's certainly possible to run out of SAM

[primal obsidian]

ok now time to see if this train wil actualyl unload

[white dawn]

I am willing to guess that very few players of the game build that big, though

[ivory condor]

Yep just citing this as perfectly valid example of how easy it is run out of SAM actually

[white dawn]

Where I disagree is that IMO, to the vast majority of players, that plan is not "easy"

You're in megaproject territory with that, and of course you're gonna run into limitations with projects like that

[hard ivy]

Imo, when doing nuclear, you should run out of uranium way before anything else

[white dawn]

I admit that I'm making some assumptions here, but I would personally be shocked if the majority of players come anywhere near even a terawatt of power in the game

[primal obsidian]

i frogt to save changes now i have to wait for the train to go all the way to the other side of the worlds

[white dawn]

This channel obviously attracts folks who like to build big, so I think the representation is skewed here

But I believe Ficsonium's well within reach of your average player, at least in terms of SAM availability

[shadow isle]

the basic coal setup was 2 water 8 generators?

[hard ivy]

And if you for some reason want even more, there's conversion.

[white dawn]

Three extractors, with some creative piping to overcome the pipe throughput limits. :)

[shadow isle]

gotcha

[ivory condor]

Well what I mean by valid is that is its the least amount of plutonium for 2520 nuclear waste, and SAM still isnt enugh, that only 126 plutonium nuclear plants and shows FFRS is basically not valid for those types of projects I might want to

[white dawn]

Remember that you can always do the math yourself: extractors will tell you how much they produce (120/min), and coal gens will tell you how much they need (45/min). :)

[ivory condor]

And thats one of my complaints, the recipes basically dont support such mega projects, which I find very disappointing

[white dawn]

Sure, and I've acknowledged that. But that doesn't mean that it's easy to hit those limits, or that the majority of players (for instance, someone wondering in here if they should do Ficsonium or not) are likely to run into

[wicked nacelle]

it's just weird to me how punishing the game is for using nuclear -- publisher's dad owns an oil company or something? Burn an endless supply of clean coal and oil!!! Don't use that dirty nuclear stuff

[ivory condor]

Even more disappointing when I knw could make larger plutonium plant but I know the recipes make that impossible, which 126 is already too much

[hard ivy]

Even if you're not building huge, there's also the issue that there's very little incentive to do it other than "because I want to specifically do Ficsonium"

[white dawn]

I could say the same thing about Rocket Fuel or Plutonium, in the game

It's a late/post-game project. As I've said before, I don't really care if there's limitations to that kind of stuff

Folks have finished the game with bio-burners; of course late-game nuclear is optional

(I see I have let myself get drawn into this again! Time to direct my attention elsewhere, sorry. :)

[open swallow]

that's a lot of dead enemies

[wicked nacelle]

obviously the only power requirement is kWh not kW. So you can beat it with anything that can make enough

is there anything I have to do after I save my first blueprint to make the tab show up in the build gun?

reload didn't fix it

[charred sandal]

So if im doing the HOR > Diluted fuel > recycled plastic/rubber path, can I just build way more of each recycler that I need and turn them off/on to adjust the ratios as needed? Does that work fine?

[hard ivy]

No, not really. If you say "I want endgame power" then the answer is generally rocket fuel and pre-1.0 nuclear, not Ficsonium, despite it being even later game than the other 2. Same with ionized

One would assume that if something is unlocked later, then it should be noticeably better, in at least some manner

You can see that all the time with turbofuel. There's plenty of people who see that it requires fuel to unlock and therefore it must be an upgrade. When, imo, it's very much a sidegrade and generally not worth bothering with for power.

I have seen people "upgrade" their rocket fuels to ionized and then ask why they have blackouts after "upgrading" their power grid

This just looks like bad game design to me tbh

[wicked nacelle]

oh you HAVE to unlock blueprint 1

[charred sandal]

like, turning them off./on to adjust the ratios

[hard ivy]

You don't even need to. Just change demand, one side will back up and turn itself off

[wicked nacelle]

yes as long as you're using a smart splitter with overflow for your profit it will run itself -- AND you should turn the resin from the fuel into rubber and seed it with that too

[hard ivy]

If you design it correctly, that is. There are some designs that might not work that way

[white dawn]

Yeah, we've had that argument many times already. In the end, I just fundamentally disagree with you about it. Ficsonium's got a niche; your problem with it is that you don't believe the niche has any value. shrug

[charred sandal]

Hm.

[ivory condor]

Especially when you consider how good Rocket fuel, with basically no draw backs, because its cheap, easy and in mass quantity easily

[primal obsidian]

oh boy time to troubleshoot mod frames factory not making anything or uploading

[ivory condor]

Another complaint I have, its like Rocket fuel is the devs preference for late game, because its so good it makes even regular nuclear not look that good

[open swallow]

one person: "I think that X matters differently to different people", other person: "you're objectively wrong"

[ivory condor]

Which I don't like, the complex should be rewarded more, but it basically isnt

So I can add that to my list to complaints about some of these recipes, some are too good, some arent good enough and some seem so bad they arent worth using

Imo I dont like that complexity and different of builds isnt rewarded more, effort should be, but something happened with these recipes that unfortunately makes it in many ways just not true sadly

[white dawn]

(bah, missed the IMO in there; nevermind my continued curmudgeonliness. :D) skitters off into the shadows

[wicked nacelle]

there is a really nice mod for modifying recipes... which I think could be fun to do at some point.

[whole drum]

I'm still a T. Fuel stan. It just transitions so smoothly from the previous fuel sources. Very convenient.

[charred sandal]

Seems I can turn the 2700 oil on the west coast into 3600 plastic+ rubber/min + 1800 resin

thats a lot higher than I pictured.

[wicked nacelle]

taht seems super low

[hard ivy]

Tf do you need 1800 resin for?

[charred sandal]

#screenshots message

[wicked nacelle]

oh maybe that's the resin? but why do yo... yeah why resin?

[charred sandal]

Its just the by productt, havnt gotten that far yet

[wicked nacelle]

oh yeah turn the resin into rubber (not plastic)

[whole drum]

3D printing

[hard ivy]

Why would you not enable all recipes?

[ocean frost]

Fabric, more plastic or rubber

[wicked nacelle]

You only use resin for rubber -- it makes twice as much. You'd just divert more fuel if you need more plastic

(or fabric as needed of course)

[charred sandal]

that makes sense

[hard ivy]

And despite there being many defenders of Ficsonium/Ionized, I have never seen any of them say "yes, if I was making it myself, I'd've made it exactly this way. It's perfect". They all just say "it's fine"

[wicked nacelle]

I have no problem with ficsonium except for the insane sam cost.

my main save had 1.3 TW (60% nuclear I think?) until I had to start shutting parts of it down to make more BWDs

now I'm using 700 / 800 power

[dense ingot]

Are you factoring in the plutonium and potentially ficsonium fuel rods, or are you just looking at uranium?

[ivory condor]

"it's fine"

[white dawn]

Perhaps I've not been clear enough: I legit quite like Ficsonium, and it's right up my alley

[ivory condor]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

basically FFRs

[white dawn]

And I was thrilled to be able to build it out on my 1.0 save

And I also legit do not care that it provides so little extra power, or it's so SAM heavy, or that I couldn't fully convert a theoretical Max Plutonium setup to Ficsonium

I realize I am a single data point, but there's one. :)

[ivory condor]

thrilled isnt how I would describe that SAM usage

[white dawn]

I had 40% of the map's SAM left at the end of my playthrough, and I wasn't slooping any of it

Who cares if it uses a lot of a resource if you're not even running out?

[ocean frost]

The best goals are the ones you set for yourself

[ivory condor]

I guess it applied in your case because how much plutonium waste a min were you making?

[white dawn]

And again: yeah, for sure, it's possible to build big enough that you run out of SAM

[white dawn]

I don't remember the numbers, honestly, but I was making about half a terawatt of nuclear power in total

[dense ingot]

I don't know how much waste that person was making, but from some math I did, you get almost 70% extra power compared to just using uranium when you make the plutonium fuel rods.

[white dawn]

(Which, as I say, is IMO far more power than the vast majority of players in the game are ever going to need, or even build)

[wicked nacelle]

from BURNING them yes. They make a ton of power and the game punishes you for it

[ivory condor]

Had to have been much less than 126/min because you saw my numbers I was using 100% of the worlds sam even at that amount

[hard ivy]

Yeah, but I feel like you would've said the same thing if it was double the price and gave half the power. Doesn't matter what it is, as long as it "legally" gets rid of plutonium waste, it's good enough for you. (Or at least that's the vibe I get)

Which I don't think is a particularly valuable opinion when discussing the balance of the different power generation options. Not when differences between recipes in other areas are on the order of 10% and there are people who do care about those

[dense ingot]

I haven't made it to Tier 9 yet. What else is Sam good for?

[white dawn]

Not sure how many times I can say that I've acknowledged that it's possible to build bigger than Ficsonium can support. (bahh, got sucked into the conversation again)

[wicked nacelle]

I couldn't care less if you just dumped the ficsonium into an awesome sink and got 0 points for it -- I just want to burn plutonium and end up with no waste.

[ivory condor]

Yes I have you now

[charred sandal]

Man I feel dumb. Cant wrap my head around how this factory looks like lmao

[whole drum]

I just want to kill the giant tick-giraffe monster things and burn their blubber for candle light

[charred sandal]

Guess I could just google a video

[wicked vector]

what factory?

[ocean frost]

Kill it

[charred sandal]

Residual rubber feeds into recycled plastic, recycled plastic feeds into recycled rubber.....how do I know how much plastic/rubber to put back in and how do I control it

is it just half

[ocean frost]

There is a ratio

[ivory condor]

Problem is the recipes are so horrible it isnt even good for just getting rid of that waste

[ocean frost]

Have a look at the recipe

[whole drum]

"As much as it can support"

[charred sandal]

It seemed simple when I wasnt using residual rubber ngl lol

[wicked vector]

haven't made that particular setup but i imagine a mixer would be applicable here

[ocean frost]

What's a mixer

[ivory condor]

Like I wouldnt care if I could get rid of the waste and not have anymore power, but instead I get insane expensive recipes that arent even good for just getting rid of the waste, leaving me with very few options

[whole drum]

The Catalina Wine Mixer

[wicked nacelle]

you don't "control" it -- you just have an overflow at the end and if it gets there it's "profit"

[ivory condor]

why I dont like about those recipes, you arent even given additional options, just here are these insane expensive recipes, enjoy

[wicked nacelle]

recycled loop is actually great where you can oversubscribe the fuel and it will adjust based on demand very easily 🙂

[dense ingot]

If you put half of the plastic into the recycled rubber recipe you will end up with twice as much rubber as you do plastic.

[wicked vector]

it's basically a grid of splitters and mergers, taking advantage of vertical splitters or mergers, built such that every input belt connects to every output belt

[charred sandal]

So you only send overflow to output? Everything defaults back in?

[wicked nacelle]

Yep. The refineries will suck up all the can and your profit will end up at exactly the same # as the fuel you put in

[charred sandal]

alright. that makes sense

[wicked nacelle]

at some point you'll end up with more than a belt's worth of product and you can auto-profit the additional amount

[charred sandal]

Yeah I mean I should end up with 3x 1200 belts of profit

thats what im trying to navigate tbh

[hard ivy]

I'm saying that the vibe I get from apocalyptech is that they don't care about the cost, as long as it's an intended way to get rid of PU Waste. As long as the devs say "this is for getting rid of waste" they're happy. No matter what effort and resources it takes

Which is an understandable approach (like I'm not gonna call them dumb or stupid for it), but not particularly useful when there are people who care about the resource costs and effort involved

[ocean frost]

You have one rubber feeding 2 plastic. You split one one the plastic to feed the rubber

Basically a 1;2 ratio to make plastic

[wicked nacelle]

I think my "normal" set up is 2 rows of 16 refineries. the first 8 feed back to the other 16 (on the other side) with overflow to profit. The second 8 just go straight to profit.

[ocean frost]

You really don't need to complicate it

[gentle lion]

Do the space elevator parts have to her uses in game at all? I'm basically at the point I have to make them so I get next tier

[fluid sapphire]

more advanced elevator parts

[wicked nacelle]

one does, all the others are only space elevator. but each part is used to make the next tier's parts so they're worth continuing to make

[ivory condor]

Problem is again even if you dont care about cost, its still to expensive, 126 waste a min and I'm already out of SAM, thats nuts

I mean I can understand maybe not caring about cost, but even from that perspective it easily becomes unviable still

[ocean frost]

What came first the rubber or the plastic

[wicked nacelle]

rubber because you make it out of resin

[ivory condor]

its only viable at small amounts of plutonium waste from what I can tell, beyond that, it just doesnt make any sense, because the cost increases too much too quickly

[hard ivy]

If you're doing something because you want to, not because it's a good idea, you don't really care about the cost as long as it's possible. And it is possible. Barely. If you dedicate all SAM and half the sloops to it

[wind marsh]

is it more efficient to package 1625 turbofuel per minute to transport the distance i could with pipes, or use pipes?

[hard ivy]

Why would you ever want to do that in the first place

[wicked nacelle]

if we're talking trains, liquids are the same car-efficiency packaged or unpackaged

if you use pipes I strongly suggest making a multi-pipe blueprint and using autoconnect to drag them all at once

[wind marsh]

i dont think its far enough to need trains

[ocean frost]

Packaging fluids is the preferred way of transport until they fix fluids

[hard ivy]

? Packaged are 2x denser. And you can use the same wagons to send empties back, so you actually can get the 2x

[reef basin]

it's most efficient to not transport it 🙂

[ivory condor]

Yeah but still the numbers arent great

[glad quest]

is 120 heavy modular frames pm impressive?

[hard ivy]

What about 120 heavy modular frames am

[dense violet]

itsa fair few

[wicked nacelle]

I suppose. it's a time commitment for sure

[ocean frost]

But trains packaged fuel can be loaded./ unloaded faster than pipes.

[gentle lion]

Ok gotta setup an area to make them I,guess lol

New rotor factory needed lol

[glad quest]

apart from teir 9 stuff whats the most impressive thing to automate

[dense ingot]

Probably one of the phase four space elevator parts.

[ocean frost]

If you make it look nice it is

[hard ivy]

Yeah, they're wrong. With mk6 belts and a proper setup, you can get ~2x more throughput per wagon/platform with packaging. Just at the cost of space and power

[glad quest]

tho with mk6 belts imma assume power isnt an issue

[ocean frost]

Belts don't use power

[wicked nacelle]

are you including the return car? I thought liquids were exactly 1:1 and only gas was better

[fluid sapphire]

quick Q: silly but how do you actually set up a drone to go back and forth, i have the "this port" section open, i see that there is a "this port" section in this window, and then another section called "relevant ports". whats that for?

[wicked nacelle]

A drone port can have 0 or 1 drones. If it has a drone it goes to exactly one other port and then immediately back to its home port

[hard ivy]

I am including returning the empties. Though if you sank them, it'd still be ~2x more. Because you can use the same wagons for return

[fluid sapphire]

so i need not worry about the "relevant ports", and simply setting a destination is enough?

[wicked nacelle]

okay, if you add an additional stop on both sides AND have sinking over overrun then yes. I much prefer to have manifold behavior

[hard ivy]

You don't need to sink anything though

[wicked nacelle]

relevant ports tell you what other ports send a drone to you, I think. Some drones are just "supply ports" and don't even have a drone assigned to them

[ocean frost]

I can see myself doing a playthrough where I only used packaged liquids and minimal pipes.

[grim carbon]

When you start a new game, you’re given 4 areas to choose from. Is it true they are all part of the same planet?

[fluid sapphire]

this is what i am setting up, a drone to fetch supplies, the source port needs no drones of its own

[wicked nacelle]

if you're having a car bring full and return empties you can get into a situation where you get deadlocked unless you're very very careful

[ocean frost]

One big map

[glad quest]

Full mk5 belt???

[fluid sapphire]

how can i name my drone though

[charred sandal]

So just to recap/clarify.

My calc says I should make 104 refneries for rec rubber, and 112 for rec plastic.

If I just make 120 of each, send all the belts back into eachother and overflow to train, itll all workout fine?

[grim carbon]

That being the case, is it possible to start a new game and meet up with another area you’ve started somewhere else?

[dense violet]

theres only one map. Multiple spawn zones.

[wicked nacelle]

go re-read my comment about 2 rows of 16. Just duplicate that setup N number of times to use all your fuel. That number works out really well end game with everything overclocked and mk6 belts

[dense violet]

you can start at any zone and walk to any other

[hard ivy]

Full to empty tanks are 1:1 though. It all works out perfectly. It drops off 3200, then picks up 3200 Now, if they weren't, you would have issues.

I've used this method several times and it works just fine without sinks. The only downside is getting 10s of 1000s of empty containers

[charred sandal]

Idt I saw that. Why rows of 16? A belt of 1200 feeds 40

[glad quest]

Is this possible

[dense ingot]

It might take you a little bit, especially if you have creatures set to their default aggressiveness, but yes, you could create a new world and then walk over to one of the other spawn zones.

[wicked nacelle]

what's 40/2.5 🙂

[charred sandal]

found it

[old bramble]

Could I reuse empty containers? Or do I just have to craft them in bulk?

[grim carbon]

Interesting

[wicked nacelle]

TRUST ME you want to 250% this beast 🙂

[glad quest]

Reuase

[dense violet]

you can always send back empties when unpackaging , yes

[charred sandal]

Do I

[dense ingot]

16

[fluid sapphire]

cant i rename my drones?

[charred sandal]

Tbh I dont overclock much lmao.

Just resoruce gatherers and power outputs

[grim carbon]

Is there an end to this game? Like Factorio has

[wicked nacelle]

They take drone port name but it take a minute? Like a full trip? Or maybe a reload

[charred sandal]

I like just making everything gigantic :3

[dense ingot]

I'm pretty sure you can, how I have no idea and even if I did know if you're on PC, my knowledge won't be able to help you very much.

[wicked nacelle]

The story ends but you can keep building

[old bramble]

So which holds more a full train of packaged oil, or a full freight of liquid?

[wicked nacelle]

Then yes 40 not 16

[wicked nacelle]

If you don’t dedicate cars to returning empties than packaged holds 2x liquid and much more of gasses

[fluid sapphire]

i will see, but i was hoping for a system similar to what trains have, names for stations, separate names for drones

[dense violet]

teh same if you're sending the empties back

[wicked nacelle]

No because each drone port can only have one drone it’s fine for them to have the same name. Trains don’t behave that way

[old bramble]

So why not just send the liquid since you can add more liquid freight to hold more?

[dense violet]

some people prefer not messing with liquids and buffers when they don't have to

[fluid sapphire]

that means i cant name my drones silly things like i can with my trains 😭

[wicked nacelle]

You can do the same packaged

[dense violet]

there's also a difference in belt speeds vs pipe - but travel time makes an impact on that too

[old bramble]

Fair

[dense violet]

its really down to your preferences honestly

[white dawn]

For liquids, either is fine, honestly. Properly buffering liquids at train stations is a little bit more fiddly (though here's a couple of buffer systems which should work: #design-and-architecture message / #design-and-architecture message )

[grim carbon]

Just like playing the game, don’t how you want

[wicked nacelle]

But nitrogen is 4:1 better to package and other gasses are 2:1 better with dedicated return car

[white dawn]

Keep in mind that gasses, on the other hand, apparently really hate buffers. If you need to transfer gasses a long way, you'll want to package 'em

[dense violet]

one thing that's useful, but maybe a bit niche, with packaged fluids being trained in, you can deliver them unpackage them in very specific groupings.

like if you have 1 platform that is delivering 600 oil pm, you can unpackage 365.54 oil pm into 1 pipe, and the rest into another if you need it

[white dawn]

(I'm just relaying info secondhand there; I've never tried out gasses + buffers myself. But I've no reason to doubt that info. :)

[wicked nacelle]

I’ve struggled and given up sending nitrogen in liquid cars

I’ll try again when 1.2 comes out in my vehicle playthrough I’m doing now

[dense ingot]

In my experience, the liquid mechanics are a little more fiddly in this game, so sending package to liquids might be a little more predictable. I'm not 100% sure on that, though. I have not used trains much, although I have spent a bunch of time messing around with rocket fuel production. I am about to start messing around with trains.

[dense violet]

buffer it properly and you're fine #design-and-architecture message

[ocean frost]

I believe a packager can unpackaged 600 nitrogen / second

Min

[old bramble]

Working on trains now. So I’m just trying to vex the worth of either packing the oil and taking it to one refinery to get a lot of oil in one spot for like a ‘mega’ refinery or if I just should just deal with the oil at the spot I’m pumping it.

[dense ingot]

All I'm saying is it would be a little more predictable it's easier to set up from my knowledge, not better. I have absolutely no idea what would or wouldn't be better.

[wicked nacelle]

There’s other benefits to dealing with packaged stuff. All your normal belt rules and features apply like using smart splitters and such. You don’t have to dig through a 27 page pdf to do basic stuff

[ocean frost]

Can you package crude oil

[old bramble]

Yes

[dense ingot]

You can package any liquid or gas that I am personally aware of. So, yes.

[ocean frost]

Just looked it up in the wiki learn something new every day

[old bramble]

So say I have a train station that hasn’t been emptied yet. Yet I have a train arriving with a full inventory. Will it wait til it can unload or will it just continue on?

[dense violet]

again, as long as you can manage piping with the basics, you can make it entirely reliable.

[dense violet]

its generally simpler managing fluids on location if possible

although if you're using the Recycled plastic/rubber loop your oil does expand isntead

[dense ingot]

I am aware of that, yes

[old bramble]

???

[dense violet]

so the basic plastic rubber recipes is like 3 oil to 2 plastic 3:2
with the right recipes you can get it to 3:9

[ocean frost]

The game is a sandbox there is no right place to build something just personal preference

[dense violet]

so you'd be moving more parts per min after processing doing it that way, but maybe you want to deal with fluids less

[old bramble]

I haven’t selected any alternative recipes.

[dense violet]

that's fair 🙂 just letting you know.

[old bramble]

I appreciate it. I just have no idea what alt. Recipes are good for my situation 😆

[dense violet]

what are you trying to do?

[ocean frost]

It depends on the schedule i, unload or wait 1 sec will have it leave if it can't unload

[old bramble]

Honestly I have no idea 😂. My goal is unlocking trains. Because I thought maybe stockpiling the oil so that it can work.

[dense ingot]

Many things can be made dramatically more efficient with alternate recipes. Not everything, obviously, but most things.

[ocean frost]

Unload till empty will have it wait around for a bit

[dense violet]

ah, well make a goal and I could give you some advice then xD but the goal is pretty important

[old bramble]

But it seems like I don’t have move resources around. More like the parts.

Is fuel gens better than coal?

[dense violet]

define 'better' xD
you can generally get more power from 1 oil node than 1 coal node?

it's more steps but a lot more power

[hard ivy]

You don't need to move anything more than a few hundred meters unless you're building huge factories

[dense violet]

there's very few things in the game that are strictly 'better'.

[old bramble]

Okay.

I mean the alt. Recipe for plates with plastic seems good.

[dense violet]

it adds complexity and saves you iron?
imo it's a solid recipe if you already need to bring in oil to the factory for something else

largely because you have a TON of iron on the map

[old bramble]

Fair. Also why would I need an alternative recipe for the auto miner?

[dense violet]

so you can automate them

[old bramble]

Does the MK3 Miner need a lot of auto miners or something? I just hand craft them ever time I need them since it’s just two per the MK2

[dense violet]

3 iirc

and it can be annoying making them as you build / upgrade miners

you could also just hand make a couple hundred and be ok with things. Like a lot of stuff it's personal taste

[old bramble]

Which is fair.

I mean I’m right by an ocean so I could just build a friggin huge refinery factory on the open waters

[dense violet]

often a good choice. Moving lots of water is annoying

[upbeat kayak]

only half an hour until i can play the game again

this game would be so much better without the space elevator

[white dawn]

Drones also require portable miners. In the end it's just about knowing that you never have to think about them again. One machine heading into a Depot and you're good for the rest of the game, no matter how big you build

[dense violet]

take extra parts that you're already making - smoosh them together - elevator done

[open swallow]

i mean, it is a bit contrived as a plot device, but it's central now

[white dawn]

(though, as Cobalt mentioned, you could also just build a few stacks and also be good for the whole game.)

[dense violet]

it's really no different to unlocking milestones

[white dawn]

Though it's a trivial enough recipe to automate; well worth it IMO

[green fiber]

i dont get how the elevator is that much different from doing stuff at the HUB or in the MAM

[upbeat kayak]

you have to wait several hours to make items that are never used for anything else

[white dawn]

ka-chunk! pshhhhh.... vroom

[dense violet]

hours you spend building and exploring and doing other things

[hard ivy]

I think I'd classify that as a Skill Issue™

[white dawn]

(the chain which leads to Nuclear Pasta has non-elevator uses, fwiw)

[green fiber]

thats not the space elevator itself then but the choice of space elevator parts

[fickle oriole]

It seems that when in autopilot, my truck will load from a nearby station even if not being given the load command when I made the path. (I have a truck loading Quartz which swings by a truck stop with coal simply to get its fuel topped off, but not to load/unload cargo). Is there a way to edit the path to fix this? The 'node' by the station just shows "pause 1 second", I see no way to see/change the load/unload behavior

[dense violet]

trucks will load from any station they are in front of

even while moving

[fickle oriole]

boo hoo 🙁

[dense violet]

don't have stations in series, have them in parallel

that way they don't move in front of stations you don't want them to

[fickle oriole]

so what does the 'press F to laod cargo' prompt mean, if it will load no matter what?

[dense violet]

might be for manual loading? Don't know honestly. They move 'stacks per second' to and from the station, so just pausing for a few seconds will give time for loading unloading to happen

[fickle oriole]

kk, ty for the quick response

[dense violet]

trucks need some planning to get right , both the path and factory locations, but can be very worthwhile 🙂

[fickle oriole]

yes i usually much prefer RRs, but i'm running stuff out of a cave and up a hill so it seemed like trucks were appropriate.

[dense violet]

trucks don't get enough love. I think people like rail since they physically layout a path

[white dawn]

The "press F to load/unload" or whatever is completely ignored for auto-driving vehicles. As Cobalt mentioned, a vehicle will basically just stop at any station it gets within loading/unloading range of, and then wait there for however long the yellow "pause node" is configured. The station will do whatever it's configured to do at that point. It transfers at 2 stacks per second

[glass pagoda]

Hi

[white dawn]

The manual "press F to load/unload" thing seems to act fairly weirdly at times, too; I know a lot of folks try to use that and it doesn't work. I often wonder if that's just down to a mismatch between your vehicle and what the station itself is configured to do, but I've never taken the time to try and figure that out

[glass pagoda]

Drones take the love

[quick hound]

HI CYAAAAN, I’m stealing your lizarddoggo doggos

[glass pagoda]

Alright *disconnects all power grid and makes it run on bio fual

[wicked nacelle]

It’s crazy how much worse vehicles are in this game than trains. The collision requirements are so much higher. The lack of a proper “dock now”mechanism means if a truck gets “lost” too close to the wrong truck stop it can just start loading/unloading random places.

[glass pagoda]

Good luck

[primal obsidian]

had to do a sidequest and rebuild a modular frames factory cause someone destroyed it and never built it back

[quick hound]

questside

[primal obsidian]

what

what does that mean

[quick hound]

it’s a questside

[hard steeple]

so i found out there is a limitation on the mercer spheres, im wondering if i should avoid getting the last tier of upload speed in order to be able to make more dimensional storage things with them, or should I not worry about that?

[white dawn]

Don't worry about it. There's ~300 spheres on the map, you need ~100 to fully upgrade things, which leaves you with about ~200 Depots you can construct. :)

[hard steeple]

ok thanks!

[spark sky]

@steady raven It looks like Pikachu's tail: #screenshots message

[hard steeple]

Almost phase 3 here.. damn this game got its hooks in me

[wicked nacelle]

And you can always deconstruct and move them around as you have different needs over time if you don’t have as many as you’d like

[quick hound]

@dawn fjord did.. did you encase your nuclear reactors?

[hard steeple]

yeah, i was hoping to have a dimensional storage for every item type, cause im the lazy person who doesn't want to manually pick up items

[wicked nacelle]

@charred sandal do you get your plastic rubber working?

Oops not a reply

[lunar python]

did you guys also skip automating the first 3 space elevator phases?

[wicked nacelle]

Fill containers and sloop fo sho

[lunar python]

real

[wicked nacelle]

Building is punishing before hoverpack

[lunar python]

speaking facts

[wicked nacelle]

As much as we tell people not to tear down and to just build somewhere else — when you get hoverpack it’s fine to tear down.

[quick hound]

who ghost pinged me?

[lunar python]

joe

[wicked nacelle]

Mama

[quick hound]

I hope you step directly onto a razor sharp Lego.

[primal obsidian]

sidequest done yay

[quick hound]

Done questside

[primal obsidian]

now time to place 24 manufactures and make control rods for the fuel rods and make some encased beams

[fluid sapphire]

i think, i am also going to "handcraft" phase 4 parts, and then finally for phase 5 i can cobble all of it together in one place, i just dont feel like building it before i can actually place all the machines

[primal obsidian]

actually wait i made an encased beams plant that isnt being used fully mayber i just need control rods now

[quick hound]

I did dat too

Same wit phase 5

[mental frigate]

I just built temp assembly places that feed into my load balanced and sorted storage facility

Then I tear them down

[fluid sapphire]

for phase 5 i will actually make it a factory, the ongoing points will be nice

[quick hound]

Waiting for phase 6

[fluid sapphire]

at that point i am just fetching a bunch of precursors to a single spot, so its relatively little effort

i still have to cook up my high-speed connector factory, everything else is honestly pretty small scale and easy by comparison

literally like a handful of machines to fill all the gaps

[quick hound]

Waiting for phase 9

[split kraken]

Hii!

Can any1 help me rq

[reef basin]

would be better if you shared your issue, e.g. in #1038092680493801533

[split kraken]

oh, okay! ^^

[wicked nacelle]

Just ask don’t ask to ask

[quick hound]

New patch out for satisfactory for ps5?

My game is updating

[dense ingot]

I believe it's just bug fixes, I'm not 100% sure.

[primal obsidian]

i jsut realized you can place power poles on power lines and i dont have to leave an empty slot on a power pole so i can add more poles

[quick hound]

Version 1.005.000

[dense ingot]

Are you sure that's right? That is not what version my Xbox is showing and I'm pretty sure it's the same version between the two consoles.

[quick hound]

That’s what it says

Version 01.005.000

I didn’t pull that number out of my ass

[wicked nacelle]

Out of your cloaca maybe.

[charred sandal]

Nah had to go out. Havnt started

[stone stag]

Anyone on ps five down to play

[wicked nacelle]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1201555265942724758

[stone stag]

Ok

[wicked nacelle]

Also Xbox can cross play afaik

[quick hound]

I’m not an owl you dick

[wicked nacelle]

Not sure if joking or actually don’t know duck parts.

[quick hound]

I don’t haha, I’m too sleep deprived to care atm

[stone stag]

Unbelievable

[sudden flint]

I'm pretty sure all birds got a cloaca

[lunar python]

what

[stone stag]

Nothing

[wicked nacelle]

That’s why their poop is all liquidy. It’s everything combined. /offtopic

[void cliff]

Xbox update today, huh?

[stone stag]

Tasty

[void cliff]

Why do the Xbox updates seemingly sit at 0% for ages…. Guess it’s back to the Steam version!

[dense ingot]

I guess Xbox and PlayStation are on different versions then, I wonder if it has something to do with a potential Microsoft Store version.

[dense ingot]

I think that's your particular console or your internet connection because I don't have that issue on Xbox.

[void cliff]

Just needed a restart. Thanks.

[upbeat kayak]

what's the point of the wait between unlocking milestones

just seems to add pointless waiting to the game

[wicked nacelle]

I agree. It used to be like that for mam unlocks too IIRC for everything not just HDDs. I use a time speeder upper third party tool to deal with that crap

[dense ingot]

It's part of the realism, because this company we work for in the game, absolutely does not care about inconveniencing us in any way.

Also, I believe you can just skip that AI talking and it will unlock the milestone.

[wicked nacelle]

Ah yes the realism. So stronk.

[dense ingot]

Don't quote me on that second part, though.

[wicked nacelle]

He means before you can do the next unlock. The little shuttle travel time thing

If you just sent the parts up on the space elevator it would be “realistic” and not annoying too

[dense ingot]

Again, you're assuming the company that we work for in the game cares about us. I do agree it's annoying, but I understand why the devs have done it this way.

[wicked nacelle]

Also the space elevator is waaaaayy too short to be in geostationary orbit at the platform

The platform would fall out of the sky

[hasty fable]

Ficsit simply wills it to be so

[crude ether]

i just copied blueprints from my previous save to my new save and theyre not showing up. the blueprint directory for the new save already existed and had blueprints in it as well. I'm still seeing the ones I created in game on the new save, but not the ones I tried copying over. any ideas? i tried reloading the game

[wicked nacelle]

Can you make your other blueprints? I just realized you have to unlock blueprint 1 to get the tab. I just went straight to 2 which lets you make them but not build them

[crude ether]

yes i can

by other you mean the ones i created in game?

[wicked nacelle]

Yeah. Just making sure the blueprint tab was there on the build gun

[crude ether]

yeah

[honest sleet]

why does the alien power augmenter have a conveyor port on the side?

[wicked nacelle]

Keep researching 🙂

[honest sleet]

i just made one and idk why it's there

[wicked nacelle]

It’s in the mam. Also it should tell you if you E on it. It has an inventory spot right?

[honest sleet]

and i'm worried

[honest sleet]

no invintory slots

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch alien power

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=alien+power

[wicked nacelle]

Anyhow it’s in the wiki if you want spoiler 🙂

Otherwise just keep researching in the mam

[wind marsh]

how do i use path signals? i have 2 trains on the same intersection going different paths, and i dont want them to crash

[wicked nacelle]

Path signals on the entrance spot block signals on exit. Block signals everywhere else

You have to have path signals on all the entrances to the same color of track for the intersection

I’m assuming you have a 2 rail “highway system”
Right?

[wind marsh]

theyre all screaming signal loops onto itself

yeah, 2 rails and 3 entrances

one rail for each direction

[wicked nacelle]

That’s a bug. Move the signals back away from the merge/split points in the rail

If you look at the rail colors when holding a signal the rail MUST always change color on either side of a signal. If it doesn’t that’s the bug

Just move the signal back a smudge

Super annoying bug that frustrates everyone when they run into it

[wind marsh]

im not able to place one of them on the right direction

[wicked nacelle]

I don’t understand.

[wind marsh]

the arrow is one direction and the signal is facing the wrong way

[wicked nacelle]

Place the signal the wrong way then place the other one then delete the first one. Another rail bug where the mouse wheel doesn’t work for signals

When you place the first one it creates a rail seam that it can snap to

And just for completeness there’s another bug where the game forgets that a rail split is a rail split and trains can’t go all of the possible directions. Solution is to rebuild the rail right before the split.

2 rails can only have one option or 3 way split can only go 2

[wind marsh]

i think i got it

thanks, should be working now

[wicked nacelle]

Nice job

[north summit]

wow, radar towers have such a great view

so glad i got them

[hasty cairn]

To be honest I just forget lookout towers even exist after a while

[clever lagoon]

will satisfactory haveboats

[white dawn]

They don't really want to change the map up anymore, and the existing map is very boat-unfriendly. All you'd really be able to do is go up and down a couple coasts

[clever lagoon]

aw okay i just thought itd be cool

[ocean frost]

lets get a hovercraft

[clever lagoon]

so is the game in a "almost finished" state?

[white dawn]

(And their usual quip about folks wanting more sea content is "just play Subnautica". :)

[clever lagoon]

theyre the same devs?

[white dawn]

No, unrelated

[ivory condor]

same answer is if the world will have multiple islands to make boats make practical sense I imagine

[clever lagoon]

idk i just thuoght itd be cool if there was things we could get from the sea maybe and you could build a dock and like have transportation and stuff

[wicked nacelle]

It wouldn’t even make sense with the map as it is. Nearly useless as is

[wicked nacelle]

Yes but that’s at least a DLC map expansion if not a sea-quel.

[ivory condor]

hence why i said the world would need multiple islands but we all know the answer to that already

[wicked nacelle]

Sea what I did there? Hahahahah

[clever lagoon]

omg a boat dlc would be great
would buy

[ivory condor]

with just the current map, it wouldnt make alot of sense to be honest

[ocean frost]

The current map was a pain to make, making another one seems unlikely

[white dawn]

Depends how you look at it. The devs consider the game "feature complete" as in the core things they wanted in the game (hence the 1.0 release). We will be getting a v1.2 update next year, and I think they said they're planning on at least v1.3 as well. And they apparently have some internal plans about how they want to proceed into the future, though none of that is public now

[wicked nacelle]

You’d just go out of bounds and die nearly instantly

[ivory condor]

i cant really see much of a reason to put a boat into this game, even if it can be done

[white dawn]

Whether that means more free base-game updates, or DLCs, or potential sequels or whatever, nobody but CSS can say. :)

[wicked nacelle]

They said a while ago they had no plans for dlc but weren’t ruling it out either. And haven’t mentioned it either way in at least a year

[ivory condor]

that to, just to sail out to sea, die instantly

but maybe if they extended the sea and death barriers, but really why do that, just to have more explorable sea, i dont see the point

[wicked nacelle]

But honestly I think the genre is kinda played out in the map and the 1.0 Sam stuff is pretty uninspired - just added to pad out the story. It would need significant new gameplay concepts to be interesting.

[clever lagoon]

then u can wear a diving suit and oxygen tanks

[ocean frost]

I wouldn't mind more seasonal content, Halloween, Winter easter egg doggos, CNY

[wicked nacelle]

If only there were a game like that

Honestly I think a space version would be better.

Maybe a prequel about building the tech for the space elevator or something

[clever lagoon]

omg what if u could build a rocket and colonize another planet
might be too ambitious

[ocean frost]

factorio did that

[wicked nacelle]

You’d need procedural generation and that would be a massive change I think.

[clever lagoon]

factorio is just 2d tho so its like 0 effort for them to do that

[ocean frost]

Play minecraft with a modpack

[clever lagoon]

galacticraft

[ocean frost]

Dyson Sphere Project

[wicked nacelle]

Just the same game on a different map is of little interest to me. You can do a few playthroughs in different styles just on the base map. There really isn’t anything I haven’t done that says “I need a different map to make me solve some different puzzle type”

[ocean frost]

Play a different game Astroneer might tickle you fancy

[wicked nacelle]

I’ve got 500 hours in that 🙂great game except the damn camera sucks in caves and it’s a game about exploring caves

Tight caves I mean. It just needs a “jump to first person” camera when there’s no good third person spot for the camera

And the recent automation stuff is meh because the resource nodes are finite. Nor do you need a lot of stuff. Probably time for another playthrough. I stopped when I was on hardcore and died from hitting a rock on skateboard

[honest sleet]

abt to start working on adaptive control units... wish me luck

[quick hound]

I mean, I think they deserve a break imo.

[wicked nacelle]

Good luck— when i first hit those I just fill some containers with parts and sloop them. I don’t automate them

[quick hound]

I have 2,188 hours in asstroneer

[wicked nacelle]

You unlock hoverpack right afterwards (well first aluminum processing) so it’s worth it to me to speed run that

[wicked nacelle]

Cloacaneer

[quick hound]

lol

[honest sleet]

oki ima just buy stuff to feed it

BY HAND REEE

[wicked nacelle]

Coupons store? Damn that’s extra lazee:-P

Damn you can probably do that to skip aluminum before jet pack. SHOOT I’m dum

@nether quiet

[quick hound]

I skipped aluminum completely haha… I still don’t have an aluminum factory

Is 1 thousand mw a gw or is it 10 thousand mw to a gw?

[wicked nacelle]

It’s always per thousand the prefix changes

But if you want I’ll give you a kilo buck and you give me 10,000

[quick hound]

no

you know cause mk6 belts are so fast it looks like it’s going backwards

[wicked nacelle]

Depends on your frame rate but yes

It would stand still if your frame rate were a divisor of 1200

And for other numbers half would make it look forward half backwards

Just at different speeds.

[quick hound]

English please,my brain doesn’t work today

[wicked nacelle]

Smart duck. Good duck. Yummy duck.

[ocean frost]

It's like when helicopter blades go backwards

[quick hound]

Okay. Ow it makes sense

[eager pilot]

I’m on phase 4 and frustrated. I deleted my original base and have a warehouse of left over materials. Stuck on quitting and starting a new game or pushing on. Thoughts?

[wicked nacelle]

Why would you start a new game? You’d just be throwing away the parts to build with. What was the most frustrating?

And all your exploration perks like alts and shards

Sometimes a little nudge towards a good unlock can help a TON

[quick hound]

you guys don’t understand this glue just smells fucking amazing

[compact flicker]

I did the same thing, except early phase 5 instead. Im having more fun now (currently mid phase 4 now) since I knew what I was doing from the start, but you may not get the same results.

[eager pilot]

Fair, where did you start the second time?

[compact flicker]

Grassy fields both times, but only because I had a friend who started there around the time I reset.

[wicked nacelle]

All the spawn points are on the same map so even if you wanted to start a fresh base you can just run there and use your existing stuff to bootstrap

The closest thing to a “perfect” spot is midway up the west coast

[ocean frost]

Move to a new starting location, also hard drive hunting sucks

So does Mercer spheres

[quick hound]

I eated my hard drives, am I a cyborg duck now?

also I’m making ionized fuel and is yummy

[wicked nacelle]

No that’s just constipation.

[quick hound]

but I’m still hungry :<

[ocean frost]

No wonder ram prices are so high

[compact flicker]

Wish advanced settings godmode disabled the out of bounds kill barrier >:

My new hypertube takes almost 3 minutes to go through and I leave the map in less than a second lol

[quick hound]

YOU NEED ALUMINUM FOR FUCKING- AAAAGAGGIHUUKVFEJHHGTJNKTGRSJJOTGUJORTBNJKETBSONJIKJNRTSIKJJNTRBSNKIJT DZNKNKR TKNI

[dense violet]

you need it for basically everything you get past the poitn you unlock it, yes

[faint tulip]

does anyone know how frequently this game goes on sale?

[wicked nacelle]

There's not random stuff in the game that you don't need

[novel heath]

only thing that it feels annoying for imo is radio control unit

[quick hound]

I need aluminum for fluid tanks, and I’m post phase 5 without aluminum factory

[dense violet]

during the regular sale periods game platforms have?

[wicked nacelle]

probably winter sale but don't expect like 70% off

[novel heath]

how is that possible lol

[quick hound]

⭐️ coupons 🌟

[faint tulip]

im just seeing when a good time to buy it for my friend would be, i figured with the black friday sales going on it would be on sale

[novel heath]

then your sink is your alluminum factory xd

[dense violet]

I haven't noticed if GOG or Steam does any BF sales?

[faint tulip]

steams is active rn

[dense violet]

huh they do

[quick hound]

Oh, and crippling alcoholism

[dense violet]

not sure if the ydid last year

[faint tulip]

Yeah, was just curious if they game ever goes on sale since i never looked in the previous years

this game*

[wicked nacelle]

it still hit 1.0 recently and with the console launch its getting a lot of attention again -- so expect maybe 20% off or something. And probably don't want to make console people mad by a huge PC-only discount

[quick hound]

ITS ALIVE! MY IONIZED. FUEL FACTORY IS ALIVE (not 100% automated.. but whatever) and now I can huff ionized fuel whenever I want! IT TASTES LIKE ORANGE TIC TACS!

[wicked nacelle]

you're sinking finite shards into ionized fuel? what the duck

[quick hound]

I made a shard factory smh

[wicked nacelle]

that doesn't take aluminum?

[quick hound]

Nope!

[wicked nacelle]

hooookay

[quick hound]

Just 46 hours of work and snorting petroleum coke every 20 minutes

[wicked nacelle]

anyone ever seen a blueprint bug where it shoots off to some random spot int he map? I had it hologramed and where I watned it and hit build and all the parts when tflying off to ???? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1442712309712556122/image.png?ex=69266e0a&is=69251c8a&hm=a95f8ed534b20a1200e9850f202475aac32591e116effce081b3174734737baa& looik at all the blueprint parts scattering off into the background

oh wait.. it eventually did build where it was supposed to -- but that was behind where I was looking in that screenshot

[ocean frost]

https://steamdb.info/app/526870/

[wicked nacelle]

Game just... stopped. Didn't crash, just stopped -- still using 8% CPU or so. but just 0fps

[faint tulip]

love you bro

[quick hound]

New bromance is born

[wicked nacelle]

oh it finally crashed: Fatal error: [File:D:\BuildAgent\work\SR11_BT\UE4\Engine\Source\Runtime\Core\Private\Containers\ContainerHelpers.cpp] [Line: 8] Trying to resize TArray to an invalid size of 2147483648

yes, that's a large number.

[ocean frost]

Simple questions require simple answers

[quick hound]

how do satisfactory?

[wicked nacelle]

yep, it crashed in vehicle handling code.

[ocean frost]

Watch people suffer

[wicked nacelle]

Note that that includes sale prices from early access. Look at the actual graph to see recent sale prices.

[quick hound]

how do satisfactory best?

[ocean frost]

Hand craft every item

[wicked nacelle]

can you upload a save game into satisfactoryqa?

[split kraken]

Hey!, do you guys bring all the resources to ur main base, or just build different bases in each location?

[wicked nacelle]

just curious if anyone is willing to open this save and see if completing the truck path (the end is right there by the truck in the save) crashes their game https://drive.google.com/file/d/1si2GQIu1wN4KaVgOl2cXVdmTzCXntIkT/view?usp=sharing

no big deal either way just curious. I linked it in the QA post i made so they can try it

[dense violet]

plan a factory for an item or more in a location with all or most of the resource on site - import the rest

[split kraken]

im doing a factory to gather coal, copper, iron, steel and trying to quartz

[dense violet]

lost of places have copper iron and coal nearby

more likely you'd have to import the quartz, fewer spots of it

[split kraken]

have a some spots at 1km from my base

[wicked nacelle]

when you're making something that needs one "exotic" resource just make it by that and you'll find the usual around close enough

[split kraken]

also, i need some tips to make the factory, a bit compact

Cause my design, being the first is not the best one xD

[dense violet]

make a plan in this https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

then either #math-and-meta or #design-and-architecture , both good channels for that 🙂

[split kraken]

ooh, tsm

tysm*

[ocean frost]

A mix, you can group a lot of production together because it uses the same material.

[quick hound]

120 gw :>

[brazen coral]

Where is the update log at? Console got a new update but I don't remember where it's at

[ocean frost]

It could be ficsmas

Who knows

[quick hound]

Hey. Gill. Hey. Hey. Gill. Guess what?

[ocean frost]

You found the snow machine

[quick hound]

No, I booped your nose! :>

[ocean frost]

If you do it again I will put every one of your hard drives into a tractor and drive it into the void

[quick hound]

I have 400 more

[ocean frost]

Tractors can hold more than 400

[quick hound]

I already have every single alternate recipe

sneaky boops gill’s nose

[ocean frost]

I will add petro coke into your coal line

[quick hound]

good, I needed more lines to snort

[quick hound]

Anyway, how are you today?

[craggy vector]

How do the high tier enemies know to guard the high tier materials

[quick hound]

Epic coding

[sullen gull]

Pretty sure there is a comment or two from it via ADA... but can't recall specifics.

[ocean frost]

It's all a simulation

[quick hound]

hey man, can you give me some coffee? ada won’t let me use my coffee machine. Turns out 1 pot every 10 minutes is too expensive for Ficsit

You prick

[sullen gull]

And you're quite annoying the majority of the time it seems. So we'll just call it even. 🤷‍♂️

[quick hound]

Fair enough. I can’t argue.

[craggy vector]

that’s so tuff bro🥶

[ocean frost]

I thought it was grok that got access to a discord account

[quick hound]

The fuck is a grok 😭

[craggy vector]

That Twitter robot

[quick hound]

what?

[ocean frost]

There is more intelligence on Twitter

[quick hound]

yes

my 1.2 brain cells are too smart for normal people

[craggy vector]

Things nobody has ever said for 200

[sullen gull]

Well, maybe something that was said once.... when it was still Twitter 🤷‍♂️

[craggy vector]

If it were still Twitter my point would still stand😭

[quick hound]

Nobody calls it X

[unreal yew]

Is anyone else having issues with truck stations at the moment? Thought it might be a small patch that may have caused issues. When I try to load from a station it won't work, it has power and set correctly to load/unload. Most times I have to remove the power cable and reattach

[tough narwhal]

what do i do while i wait for my factory to make stuff

[quick hound]

drugs explore

[sullen gull]

Make other factory stuff, "beautify", plan.

[quick hound]

or do drugs

[craggy vector]

wow I guess this is the pinnacle of comedy on discord

[sullen gull]

The truck station will only perform the load/unload animation when driving manually if F is pressed. Otherwise, you need to program a route. Also make sure there is in fact something to load, and that the truck isn't already full.

As for loading fuel, there is no indication, other than fuel seen increasing in the crafting station of the vehicle.

[quick hound]

Brain big

[craggy vector]

Holy smokes bro we get it😭

[quick hound]

???

[ocean frost]

Bro needs his own server ngl

[quick hound]

me?

I’m so confused

[icy jetty]

siiiighhhhh......

belt floor holes are half a meter off from the platform grid...and you can't make vertical splitters in half meter increments. sometimes i really hate these devs.

[quick hound]

[ocean frost]

Mine don't do the load / unload animations I thought it was just the server.

[quick hound]

What did you mean by this?

[gentle lion]

I need to find coal iron and copper next to eaxh other to make automated wiring

Time to explore outisde of my comfort zone.

[sullen gull]

Blue crater or Dune Desert would be my first thought of two places. May be more though.

[quick hound]

itzh bloooh

[wind marsh]

is there a point when a manifold becomes inefficient? (i think manifold) i have about 24 assemblers in a line, if i let them all fill up before starting them will it run fine or will the end stop getting enough resources? built it all before realizing it could be inefficient

[sullen gull]

It'll be fine. Especially since prefilling.

[wind marsh]

ok great, didnt want to rebuild 48 assemblers lol

[mossy frigate]

Does anyone know a good tutorial series on a factory rebuild for up to tier 7? I need to overhaul big time

Please save me

[gentle lion]

The where lol

I did the first spot since my first time. I don't know what anything is called

[ocean frost]

For late game and more complex items it takes forever to ramp up

[ocean frost]

There is a website called SCIM use it to see all the nodes on the map

[quick hound]

You know, at school today I was talking to someone and said “ can’t wait to get to my dark room” and he said “That just makes you sound shady” and I replied “That’s cause I’m legitimately shady”

[gentle lion]

I set up a pretty large copper setuo making wire, cable and sheets and it took literal hours to fill

[sullen gull]

Those two spots #screenshots message

[ocean frost]

It shouldn't take hours

[gentle lion]

I may have done it poorly

[ocean frost]

You also need to make sure you have the copper to feed all the machines

If you make 120 copper but need 300 it's not going to be a good day

Your production needs to meet consumption

[unreal yew]

I've been manually driving, like you've said I make sure the truck is empty, when I press f nothing happens, I delete and redo the power cable, go back and press f, that's when it works.

[gentle lion]

Yeah I suffer from being new to game and impatient

[quick hound]

Hey guys, these spicy tubes are so yummy

[gentle lion]

Where I started I'm close to that grotto that has like 4 coal spots by waterfall where on map is that

[ocean frost]

Is there a way to hide ignored messages

[sullen gull]

I have never experienced, but I thought I read there can be some funky results with trying to manually use trucks in that manner. They are ideally meant to be automated.

[gentle lion]

I have now figured that out 😂

[unreal yew]

I'll try the automation and hope it works

[sullen gull]

Here? #screenshots message

[quick hound]

le gotino

le grotino

[gentle lion]

I will check real.quick I assume coords show on map in game

[sullen gull]

-814/1649

Or close enough...

[charred sandal]

Man, I tried to make nudging shift AWSD

but your character still moves while holding shift

🙁

[ocean frost]

That's not the key to lock holograms

[gentle lion]

#screenshots message

Here

So yeah I think that's right

Comparing your circle to where I am

[sullen gull]

Just north of where you are

[gentle lion]

So I'll trek south east tomorrow

[wind marsh]

how do pumps work? nothing is flowing even with a mk2 or mk1, trying to bring some fuel up pretty far and im not able to get it to go to the top

[sullen gull]

Pumps only affect headlift; How high fluid can travel.

[sullen gull]

Double check the headlift on the pump, you may need another inbetween.

[wind marsh]

yeah, but they arent helping it move upward? is there a certain way to use them other than on the vertical pipes

it was making it further than the top, but ill try again

[sullen gull]

It needs to have enough headlift to get up to the input. And an input is usually 2m from base iirc. Also, if you have added a buffer up there, you need enough headlight to push HIGHER than the top of the buffer

Also, if you used the blue bubbles to snap the pumps on the verticls, maybe move them down a meter or so.

[wind marsh]

i got it, the headlift it had was just being cut off by the foundation so i couldnt see it

[sullen gull]

Foundations can't stop fluids if the pipe is clipping through. Anyhow, glad it works 👍

[wind marsh]

i mean i just couldnt see where the headlift was reaching lol, my bad

the marker was inside of the foundation i think

[sullen gull]

If you hit E on a pump, it tells how much headlift it gives, and if it's trying to go over fyi

A pump trying to excced the headlift required will affect flow as well.

[brazen coral]

I did find out we got a half nudge now so I'm not constantly fighting with placing stuff xD

[merry mountain]

are molded beams and molded steal pipes worth it?

[ocean frost]

Beams yes pipes meh

[sullen gull]

Every recipe can be "worth it", to the individual. Take a look what each offers, if like it, take it, if not, just leave them in the list until needed.

[brazen coral]

Honestly, it just depends. If you're willing to spend more materials, elsewhere is what makes it worth it, whatever you happen to be streamlining at the time can make some things easier.

[frail sleet]

This doesn't work all of the time, so you need to be suspicious of pumps reporting >45m (mk.2) or >15m (mk.1) headlift unfortunately. They can report a few meters under while being over and screwing flow.

And due to another bug that can happen even while you're lifting less than the pump spec (e.g. mk.2 says it can lift 50m, the actual distance is <44m, the pump says 48, but it's failing for lack of headlift)

If in doubt slap more on and see if fixed. I have a save where it does.

[sullen gull]

K

[ocean frost]

Oh wait I thought it was the encashed one. Keep them till you need them

Having recipes in the mam means you have a higher chance of rolling something new

[brazen coral]

Encased beams you want to sloop to get those belts upgraded

I'm still trying to upgrade all mine

[wicked nacelle]

Or just push to aluminum where it’s cheap again.

Mk4 belts are kinda useless

[brazen coral]

Haven't completed phase 3 yet so aluminum is out of the option right now

[sullen gull]

Not true. Use them all the time where amount is >270 but <480

[ocean frost]

They should have a mass upgrade tool

[wicked nacelle]

Mk4 belts can’t handle 600/m and that’s really the spot where belts are useful.

[wicked nacelle]

I’d never choose a slower belt once I have mk5

[brazen coral]

Working on building a central storage facility right now so I can make the process a little easier

[wicked nacelle]

Just spam mk5 at all the problems

[ocean frost]

I still use mk2 belts for branching off my manifold

[brazen coral]

I don't like the belts crossing together and that's what the situation is right now xD

[sullen gull]

FICSIT TIP NO. 19 Faster belts don't necessarily mean faster production.

[wicked nacelle]

nope but not thinking about belt speeds makes you more efficient so just use the fastest ones when they're cheap -- 1/3/5/6

[ocean frost]

Faster sliding = faster production

[sullen gull]

If you say so. 👍

[brazen coral]

I try to always look at the output versus the input, but I'm matching what I get on the input with the output as far as ingots

After that, it's a free-for-all depending on alternate recipes

[wicked nacelle]

anyhow, additionally the speed run to hoverpack (which drastically improves pioneer efficiency) also gets you mk5 belts

[sullen gull]

Leached for iron, pure for everything else 🙂

[wicked nacelle]

you play a DRASTICALLY different game than I do - you spend sulfur for iron?

[quick hound]

the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never is end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never is end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never is end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never is end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never is end is never the end is never the end is never

[ocean frost]

I would if refineries didn't take up so much space

[quick hound]

Why’d I take the time to type that all out?

[wicked nacelle]

when water gets you nearly the same output

7:13 with water or 7:14 with sulfur

[brazen coral]

Yeah I did impure nodes right now for iron and copper but everything else is pure or at least normal

[sullen gull]

I was referring to alt recipies. Not node purity.

[brazen coral]

It's still taking the speed of the belt per minute through to the smelters

[sullen gull]

Leached Iron is 2400 with the cost of a small bit of sulfur and WAY less water than the pure iron.

[quick hound]

@mortal ginkgo what do you think about this impure limestone not being included?

[mossy frigate]

I really need help revamping my layout I’m in tier 7 completed and partially tier 8, can anyone suggest any factory tutorial videos please, I’m on console

[mortal ginkgo]

UNACCEPTABLE!

[ocean frost]

1:2 is a way better ratio to deal with

[mortal ginkgo]

THIS IS PURE 100% DISCRIMINATION OF THE CENTURY

[wicked nacelle]

yeah let's make sure we conserve... checks notes... water

[quick hound]

🍿 OM nom nom

[wicked nacelle]

why does the ratio matter? Just make it and then use it.

[brazen coral]

I reserve the right for quality of nodes, only pure are allowed soon enough

[quick hound]

Yeah! Get ‘im!

[sullen gull]

If you want to talk effeciency, is the ONLY way to "maximize" the amount possible from the node 🤷‍♂️

[mortal ginkgo]

RAWR! IMPURE NODES! ASSEMBLE!

[wicked nacelle]

just combine normal/impure ones into the equivalent of a pure node and then it works exactly the same

[wicked nacelle]

yes let's make sure to maximize... checks notes... iron

[brazen coral]

But then I have no reason to use the train and go around collecting them

[quick hound]

can I be an honorary impure node? but instead it’s just Nether of the Impure Nodes?

[ocean frost]

People like nice even ratios

[brazen coral]

Train time

[sullen gull]

Right, sorry, everyone, I forgot, must play the game like xaxxon ... jots notes

[mortal ginkgo]

No sorry. 😭

[ocean frost]

Also 2 mk 6 belt is full off one pure node

[wicked nacelle]

my brain is exploding. Literally number one and number two most prevalent resources .. and we're making sure to minimize use of them at the expense of exotic resources

[quick hound]

I’m underclocking your impure nodes to 0.1%

[wicked nacelle]

under lock -- is that like a chastity belt?

[ocean frost]

I've never been short on sulfer

[brazen coral]

I think I actually did happen to find a pure node of uranium but I'm not ready for it yet, still got to get the radiation suit

[quick hound]

The fuck is that??

[wicked nacelle]

you're the one who said it

[wicked nacelle]

you been short on iron?

[quick hound]

how does it feel HEUH?

[ocean frost]

Apparently so if we are using the pure iron recipe

[ivory condor]

I would use it just to find what reality I can end in😆

[wicked nacelle]

it's absolutely convenient to have more local iron. I doubt that extra 1 per 7 is going to make or break a factory.

if pure were a 8% (or whatever) increase then I wouldn't

[ivory condor]

yes

[wicked nacelle]

and of course you could just bring in more iron probably easier than bringing in sulfur and then you get a TON more iron ingots from bringing in another iron supply vs a trickle from spending sulfur

[quick hound]

What would happen if I overclocked you to 250%?

[wicked nacelle]

I'd insult so many ducks it would make your head spin

[fervent sand]

@mortal ginkgo How come you give infinite resources but only at a certain rate?

[mortal ginkgo]

My power is infinite, but you don't deserve such power in full potential.

[fervent sand]

Ah I see

[wicked nacelle]

but combine four of them and they turn into VOLTRON!!

[fervent sand]

5 and they turn into whatever that thing from yugioh was?

It's been a while since I watched

[wicked nacelle]

I just said 4 because it's "pure" then.. voltron was either 5 or.. well the dumb one

[stable prairie]

Trains are pointless, I'm scrapping the rail system I made

[grizzled orchid]

Nitro rocket fuel almost feels like a cheat for how easy it is to setup.

[fervent sand]

??????

[stable prairie]

You can't have more than one trail on a rail loop without them colliding

Junctions won't stop them from colliding either

[wicked nacelle]

no, they're by far the most powerful transportation system in the game

[fervent sand]

this is why we have train signals

[wicked nacelle]

you have to use signals

if you're using path signals you have to make sure the rail is VERY close to vertically identical at crossing points

[stable prairie]

Yeah, they're fast and don't fall through the map like tractors and trucks, but you can only have one train per railway otherwise they collide and you have to walk 10km

[wicked nacelle]

no -- signals work great in the game

[fervent sand]

...have you even looked at train signals?

[stable prairie]

I've watched 4 youtube tutorials and checked the wiki twice now, there's no hope to getting them to work

[wicked nacelle]

also, learn about hypertube cannons. You never walk more than 500m 🙂

[wicked nacelle]

they work great. if you want to screen share (if you're on pc or know how to do it on console) then I or other people can help you

[stable prairie]

I'm gonna start fresh tomorrow when I have another 14 hours to waste trying to figure it out

I've been getting burnt out on this game trying to advance via trains

[wicked nacelle]

do you want to screen share? I bet we can get it figured out in 10 minutes

[stable prairie]

What time will you be on tomorrow?

Its 1AM for me rn

[wicked nacelle]

no clue but there's usually multiple people willing to help with trains

I'm west coast but... I'm here a lot

[stable prairie]

I'm east coast, so you're about 6 hours behind me

[wicked nacelle]

east coast russia? cuz the US ain't that big