satisfactory

[feral geyser]

I wonder if that guy from last night blocked me...

That would be hilarious

[white dawn]

And encouraging dogpiling and pushing the conversation offtopic and generally going against the very first rule of the server: • Be kind and respectful to others.

[ivory condor]

Message unclear, please repeat ||btw joke encase you didnt get it||

[white dawn]

Definitely a pet peeve of mine; I hate how there's a subset of folks who seem to want nothing more than to talk about who they're blocking. Just block and move on, sheesh.

[whole drum]

I'm just playing. I get what you mean.

[ivory condor]

I told you guys this wasn't going to end well....

[quick hound]

Good to know.. Satisfactorytools can’t calculate that I want to make 10 ficsonium fuel rods a minute 😭

[whole drum]

It can. This is user error.

[lunar python]

It can actually go as low as 37.5 uranium waste per minute with fertile uranium->instant plutonium cell-> 1 plutonium fuel unit per minute

[quick hound]

oh

[ivory condor]

Yep

100% user error

[quick hound]

idk how to use it..

[whole drum]

Me either. I just know it was made precisely for the kind of thing you're wanting to do.

[quick hound]

sob

[mortal ginkgo]

Welcome to the club buddy. It happens to best of us. 😭👍

[ivory condor]

you need to give plutonium waste as a input

[spring root]

trying to build a giant area for oil and man.... concrete.....

[mortal ginkgo]

i think you need to provide the wastes as "extra products" tab

[lunar python]

Satisfactory modeler my goat

[white dawn]

Yeah, Nuclear Power Plants don't actually have recipes so sftools doesn't solve "through" the power plants. So for solving nuclear chains, you have to specify how much waste you've got in the "Inputs" tab

[quick hound]

idk how to use this thing I cry

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean the tools could give more info about "whats missing" instead of saying "cant do it"

[ivory condor]

@quick hound https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=GzJDgtdy2LiYJf1gnJFJ as a example, look the tab items and input I gave it plutonium waste as a input, this is what you need to do

[quick hound]

I just want to try to make the most amount of ficsonium fuel rods possible a minute with everything slooped

[quick hound]

It’s not loading for me..?

[reef basin]

the problem is that "missing" could be anything, and it's very hard/impossible to figure out what actually is missing

[ivory condor]

More user error

[quick hound]

I keep breaking things

[whole drum]

I would say you could ask Greeny if that's something that could be accommodated for, but I don't think he'll see your question at this point.

[quick hound]

yeah me neither

[ivory condor]

how, that loads right into your existing production tabs

[quick hound]

I low-key feel bad for pissing him off

[mortal ginkgo]

there could be an exception for nuclear waste as it is not a processing output. It just comes out of nuclear.

[whole drum]

Then apologize and stop repeating the offending behavior.

[reef basin]

unless it's inputted

[ivory condor]

seriously https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=GzJDgtdy2LiYJf1gnJFJ would work for anyone

[primal obsidian]

There’s calculators for this game i was just using a scrap piece of paper and my physical calculator

[quick hound]

Yo, greeny. I’m sorry for consistently pinging you and replying to unrelated things. I genuinely apologize.

[ivory condor]

right I'm trying to explain this to them and even giving them a existing production tab as a example, they seem to be very confused on how to use the tools it seems

[reef basin]

oh that was a reply to Impure, but yeah

[quick hound]

Very confused. I don’t think I have the mental capacity for this haha

[mortal ginkgo]

did you find the "Items, Input" tab?

[quick hound]

My wifi is very bad where I’m currently at, so nothing is loading currently.. I’ll try again when I get home.

[mortal ginkgo]

ah cool

also people shouldnt be this block-happy. I get constantly @ed because of my name 😭

this aint bluesky yo

[ivory condor]

my dude, under your production tab do you see Production then Items, Input you need to click on that

[quick hound]

I mean, I know I can be a little much, and annoying..

[mortal ginkgo]

bad wifi he said, he cant open the tabs

[ivory condor]

More user error -_-

[mortal ginkgo]

I kek at your annoyance. Kek.

[reef basin]

I didn't block anyone 🤷 it's just a bit annoying getting reply-pinged on an unrelated message with a generic question anyone can answer. And it's surprising how often that happens lately

[primal obsidian]

internet in my school cafeteria is so bad I sent a message10 mins ago and it just reached

[mortal ginkgo]

Still. Tools could still be more informative.

[quick hound]

I don’t know what that means

[reef basin]

not really technically possible

[ivory condor]

yeah im not sure how either

[reef basin]

(well, not on the scale you're imagining)

[whole drum]

What would you like to see that you don't?

[quick hound]

I wonder if CHATGPT could help me..

I’ll have to check later.

[ivory condor]

I think tools has the best layout for what it is at the moment, not much room for improvement, beyond a complete remake of the tools

[compact flicker]

Youd be better off guessing

[reef basin]

^

[quick hound]

😭

alright I’m gonna cry real quick and eat snow

[ivory condor]

you dont need chatgpt when we are telling you what to do....

[whole drum]

Try starting with just one machine. See what inputs you need for that, then work backward to satisfy those. This will give you an idea of the scale of the project you want to work on and how many machines would be reasonable for the time/effort/demand you have for it.

[reef basin]

(remake is indeed in progress 😛 )

[ivory condor]

Really I cant tell is Nether actually trolling us at this point I have to wonder

[mortal ginkgo]

factorilab automatically adds waste as input when you want to make fisco or pluto rod.

so I find it.. interesting that tools cant do that. but hey to each their own I guess.

[ivory condor]

Because really some of this seems a little hard to believe at this point

[ornate saffron]

This week my yearly satisfactory playthrough will be complete. I reached my own goals and enjoyed.

Special thanks to @reef basin @hard ivy and @steel kelp for making the playthrough fun and helping through some issues.

[reef basin]

how do you know how much waste the user wants to add?

[ornate saffron]

Ill likely continue to lurk and help out where I can though. I do like this community

[mortal ginkgo]

user isnt asking waste to be added. they want to see if they can make x/min fisco rod.

my expection is in that case tools can provide a "forced waste input". Thats all.

Tool does a good job in calculation. I think it can know when to say, iron rod cant be made because no iron rod recipe is there instead of "cant do"

[reef basin]

yeah, but how much?

[whole drum]

Could it use some arbitrary amount of waste resource as "map default" with just a noted caveat to that effect?

[reef basin]

for sure. But what if it's because it needs iron rod somewhere in the recipe tree?

like yeah, I'd get "you're making item X and there's no selected recipe for item X", that's a valid error.

[craggy vector]

Lowkey I’d use ChatGPT when I’d just start and dear god this guy was wrong about absolutely everything, and I MEAN that

[reef basin]

but "you're making item X and there's no selected recipe for item Y which may or may not possibly be part of the production chain" is confusing to the user and basically impossible to quickly calculate anyway

[mortal ginkgo]

i type 20/min fisco and factoriolab says i need 40/min waste. I am unsure whats missing here.

[ivory condor]

absolutely do not use chatgpt for this is all im going, please just dont

[upbeat kayak]

are fused quartz crystals good?

[mortal ginkgo]

thats fine. I am just suggesting nuclear waste stuff can be an exception.

[craggy vector]

Yeah, I’ve definitely learned that😅

[whole drum]

I mean, this veers heavily into #off-topic-tech , but I'm constantly telling people that what we are calling AI isn't really "AI." It's just advanced algorithms and LLMs that were designed more for technical exploration than for genuine purpose--for now.

[reef basin]

that's assuming how much of the input should be added. Should that be changed when user changes the production target? should it be left alone? what if user changes the value manually? etc etc.

[mortal ginkgo]

alright 👍

[feral geyser]

Eh. Pure crystals are better, cuz coal has more uses and water is practically free.

[ivory condor]

Well it happens, lessons learned right😉

[feral geyser]

But fused uses only foundries, so that's a plus

[upbeat kayak]

what about quickwire stators

[craggy vector]

I mean at the very least it’d get my hopes up of it maybe teaching me something, now i just don’t know what to do

[reef basin]

again, if the user was choosing "produce ficsonium rod" and there was no recipe for fisconium rod, this could work. But how could tools know that it's the waste that's missing?

[feral geyser]

I do like that one, but it's not that much better.

[reef basin]

the solver either outputs a solution, or says "can't do". There's no additional info about what went wrong

[ivory condor]

Now you use discord and learn the game like everyone else😃

[craggy vector]

Yup😝😝

[ivory condor]

Welcome to the club🥳

[whole drum]

Joining multiplayer with experienced players is a great teacher as well

[reef basin]

anything is "good" if it does what you want/need/like

[steel kelp]

Send pics of your final builds!!!!

[reef basin]

there's no "good" or "bad" recipes in this game, everything has an use, just depends on your priorities, if it has use for you

[feral geyser]

Useless answer

[mortal ginkgo]

how does factorilab can know whats needed or not depending on the selected recipe?

or, how come it knows waste is needed automatically?

again, I am fine with Tools myself. its ok if it stays as it is.

[spring root]

can i use petroleum coke ot make compacted coal or do i need an alternate recipe for that

[feral geyser]

No

[spring root]

damn it

[mortal ginkgo]

nope. it asks for coal and sulfur

[reef basin]

because they assume things, which Tools don't do

[steel kelp]

Its not though lol

[reef basin]

I wouldn't like my calculator to automatically type numbers or add brackets without me telling it to

[white dawn]

I do think it'd be nice if toolsv2 has, like, "virtual" recipes for rod consumption. Definitely a common pain point for folks with current tools. Would require some hardcoding, though

[reef basin]

Tools v2 will have power support

[steel kelp]

Every recipe has situations where theyre gonna be useful, greeny is saying it just depends on when you’re in that situation

[white dawn]

(Might allow toolsv2 to do power-output optimization directly, too. :)

[spring root]

currently just thinking of ways to use a metric gigaload of oil residue, turbofuel seems best but that i am unsure, i could probably just smartsplitter into into a sink though

[reef basin]

(well, v4 at this point)

[steel kelp]

Is there a way to incorporate your belt speed into it?

[feral geyser]

It is. While true, at least explain the differences/pros/cons, cuz that's why people ask.

[reef basin]

belt speed isn't really relevant for calculations, maaaybe for recipes that output more than max belt

[lunar python]

i really think that part of logistics is better handled ingame

[steel kelp]

Yea thats basically the only use case

[steel kelp]

Itd just be nice to not have to do the math and split 5k per min of an item

[reef basin]

but even then you just underclock 🙂

[steel kelp]

Laziness lol

[steel kelp]

I think the idea is for people to experiment and actually learn how theyre different from the regular recipes outside of just different inputs

Thats how i viewed those answers when i was starting out

[reef basin]

given the differences come from combining recipes together, I'm not explaining things in 1000000000 words just to cover the possibilities. User can do that themselves with their preferences in mind, which is much more efficient than asking here

[feral geyser]

Some people would rather have some info before they experiment

[spring root]

It could also depend on if they are looking for a reicpe that makes it more efficient or a recipe that uses less resources or a recipe that doesn ot require them to pull resources from a mile awya

[reef basin]

then they are free to ask for it after my initial answer

[feral geyser]

So make them ask twice rather than offering up info to start?

[reef basin]

yes, because in 95% of cases the first answer is actually enough for the person

[feral geyser]

Seems... what's the word... inefficient 😏

[steel kelp]

But its so situational lol

[spring root]

is it best to start production of SAM stuff at a steel plant, oil plant or somewhere else entierly?

[steel kelp]

Like an alt may not be good for you and that cant be determined unless you know all of their production

Or their production capabaility

[steel kelp]

I just finished phase 5 and never automated past reanimated sam lol

[reef basin]

the "problem" is that many people come here with expectation that there's a "best" option, and my answer gives them the clarification that they are not doing mistake by choosing what they like instead of aiming for non-existent meta-efficient-op-recipe-thing

[spring root]

it is not required, but that is not what i asked either

[mortal ginkgo]

to be fair game gives alt recipes but doesnt lead people on why using them.

this is the same question of "should I make modular factories" etc.

game is so sandbox that people cant just move on alone.

and yes, ADA sucks at her job. she sucks the most about fluids.

Yes it is all fun funky and funny but ADA simply fails at her job.

I kek.

[steel kelp]

But probably wherever is easiest to tie in the wire and pipes

[upbeat kayak]

charcoal:

[reef basin]

what with it?

[upbeat kayak]

objectively bad recipe

[reef basin]

untrue

[upbeat kayak]

limited item into unlimited item

[spring root]

it has the same problem as biofuel, you can not farm biomass

[lunar python]

siding with hornet on this one

[mortal ginkgo]

charcoal got amazing coal raito and allows one making gask mask stuff by pure forest products etc

[ivory condor]

here we go

[hard ivy]

Well, it would be nice if it said how many belts are required to move the inputs/outputs of each node

[reef basin]

yes, but that doesn't make it "objectively bad"

[mortal ginkgo]

where we goin?!

[spring root]

i do not agree that it is objectively bad

[ivory condor]

No where good I can tell you that right now

[reef basin]

I kinda don't like that as that's assuming you're maxing belts and actually moving it

[spring root]

but it is not that worth it outside of niche

[reef basin]

aka it has a use, just not for everyone (like any other recipe)

[hard ivy]

Some people do

[lunar python]

i just realized you can use storage containers as mergers

[whole drum]

This really is the heart of the issue. Also, if someone really cares to compare recipes A to B to C, etc, SF Tools has recipe lists that make this pretty easy at a glance.

[spring root]

i never said ti was useless...?

[ivory condor]

To help calm the chat enjoy some doggos

[reef basin]

and some don't 🤷

[mortal ginkgo]

Let me add fuel to the fire and let chaos reign: Cast Screws is a good recipe and screws are not needed to be ridden completely!

[reef basin]

no, the person above you said that and you replied to that discussion

[steel kelp]

Steel screws are the best recipe in the game

[spring root]

i just replied that charcoal is very niche

[lunar python]

i have 100% removed screws from my game

[mortal ginkgo]

You play the game WORNG!

[hard ivy]

Just because some people wouldn't find the information useful doesn't mean it can't be included.

I mean the suggested clock speeds for machines are still in tools, despite me finding them completely useless

[mortal ginkgo]

screw it all brotherman!

[spring root]

heavy encased frame is a good contender though

[steel kelp]

My megabase makes 8k screws per min and i love it

[hard ivy]

That's just straight up false

[mortal ginkgo]

CORRECT WAY OF PLAYING RIGHT HERE! mods pin this comment!

[steel kelp]

Obviously tongue in cheek lol dont get upset

[reef basin]

well you need total % to run it. That's just the number
you don't need total X belts of Y tier, that depends on your build style

Tools aim to be calculator, not layout tool or anything

[steel kelp]

I like the encased industrial beam alt, idk its name

[hard ivy]

You don't need to split it into x machines at 100% and one at y%, and yet that's what tools says

[reef basin]

no recipe is "best" 🙂

[steel kelp]

Apart from steel screws

[reef basin]

that's just basically showing the total %

[spring root]

i think copper ore into copper ingot is pretty cool

[reef basin]

I feel I'm gonna repeat myself, but no recipe is best 🙂

[lunar python]

no fun 🔥

[steel kelp]

Yea id agree if steel screws didnt exist

[whole drum]

One of my favs for sure

[steel kelp]

I love screws

[lunar python]

screw propaganda

[reef basin]

they are not even most steel efficient way to make screws

[whole drum]

Is that a question or a statement?

[steel kelp]

But they work so well with iron pipes

[reef basin]

iron pipes are crap

[lunar python]

i will NOT use screws, EVER

[steel kelp]

Not iron pipes the aluminium one oops

[reef basin]

good for you, but there's no reason to do so

[whole drum]

But they so ez and nice

[leaden turret]

watches your chair fall apart

[steel kelp]

Aluminium beams

[lunar python]

yummy

[mortal ginkgo]

everyone talks about alt recipes but NOONE talks about Aluminum Rod recipe.

I kek.

Also why screwless recipe products still has screws on their products?

unplayable. 1/10

[white dawn]

Why don't the boxes of "screws" contain any screws?

[lunar python]

trueee

[white dawn]

(I like to think there's a layer of screws underneath all the bolts)

[stoic steeple]

As I continue to progress in the game, I am finding that the "best" recipe depends on your setup, like what resources are going into a particular factory, if you're optimizing for space or power consumption. As I'm planning out my factories, I'm finding that I'll use different alts for the same part in different factories. What works for one setup doesn't necessarily work for another.

[mortal ginkgo]

oh dont start me on that modular frame asking 240x[screw box of 500 screws] per MINUTE brotherman

[reef basin]

they canonically do 🙂

[lunar python]

1 screw maybe

[reef basin]

what's so wrong about that?

[mortal ginkgo]

2 modular frame asking 120.000 screws?

[lunar python]

lol

[mortal ginkgo]

brotherman moment of century

[lunar python]

1 tier 4 belt for 2 modular frames

[stoic steeple]

Paired with the steel screw recipe, the bolted variants that use more screws might actually be better for factories that use lots of parts like modular frames and reinforced iron plates.

[reef basin]

there's no alu pipe 🤔

[steel kelp]

I meant alu beams lol

Oops

[mortal ginkgo]

stop making sense, people like that dont stay unblocked for long around these parts of town

[reef basin]

steel rod -> normal screw

[steel kelp]

Gross

[whole drum]

Yeah, geography plays a role here, because sometimes it's less material "efficient" to use a swap recipe, but having access on the spot makes it still worth it--like if you have iron, and small coal/sulfur, you can make iron pipes and black powder to make some nobelisks, then just ship those out--but if you tried to use steel pipes you may not have enough coal to go around without having to bring it from somewhere farther away.

[reef basin]

most steel efficient

can also do alu rod -> base screw if you want to use alu

[mortal ginkgo]

alpha 100% pure mails use aluminum rods to produce screws.

[keen marten]

wtff a hog with a jet pack just jumped on me and one shoted me even with full life
can someone explain ??

[reef basin]

you met jetpack hog

[mortal ginkgo]

easter egg. go back and you will see a jetpack that you can use early that it drops

[white dawn]

Johnny's a spicy hog. Enjoy your free jetpack!

(Just a rare mob spawn, is all)

[keen marten]

hahahh thx

[hard ivy]

What is required is the sum of efficiency times uptime over all machines to be whatever the bottom number is.

X machines at 100% + 1 @ y% is literally one of the infinite possibilities

I genuinely do not understand why 1 information is apparently ok to include and the other one isn't, while both are useful for some people, useless for others and misleading or confusing for the rest

[lunar python]

so i just barely started making my first railway, im halfway and i already got the 5k rails achievement

[white dawn]

I mean, "1.5" literally means "150%" in that context. All you've gotta do is mentally move the decimal over

[reef basin]

too many people thinking that arrows are belts, not wanting to push that ideas

[white dawn]

The "sum of efficiency times uptime over all machines" is already there

(Should tools maybe just say "150%" instead of "1.5x"? Maybe. Perhaps a toggle button for Next Tools™ would be useful?)

[lunar python]

its not entirely the same

[reef basin]

it practically is

[lunar python]

it matters if you want to limit or increse the amount of machines you want

[reef basin]

amount of machines is irrelevant for total %

[hard ivy]

I mean if we're talking in percentages, 1.5x is 15000 %²

1.5x = 150% assumes that the other value is 100%

[lunar python]

not refuting that

[reef basin]

then what's the difference between "1.5x" (meaning 1.5 machines worth of production at 100%) and "150%" (meaning 150% worth of clock speed)?

[hard ivy]

Machines not running at 100% uptime are the difference

[lunar python]

2 machines at 75%

[white dawn]

Sorry, not following you at all, unless you're just getting pedantic about the "x"

[reef basin]

Tools ignore those

[white dawn]

Tools (and any other solver) just tells you the total amount of "machine" you need.

[reef basin]

that suits both of those

[lunar python]

that why modeler rules

[white dawn]

You can divide it up however you want, whether it reports "1.5x" or "150%" or whatever

[reef basin]

? modeller is a completely different tool for completely different purpose

[white dawn]

If you're hung up about the semantics of having an "x" in there, I mean, yeah, maybe there's a better way to display the number. But it's still the exact same data

[lunar python]

modeler accounts for power draw from over and underclocking

[reef basin]

the result of calculation is "number of machines running at 100% time and 100% clock speed". Anything else is up for the user to decide, as you said - there's infinite possibilities

[reef basin]

Tools also do so

[lunar python]

then what did you mean by this

[reef basin]

that tools do not consider "having machine at 100% clock speed with 80% uptime" as a thing

Kyo rounds up number of machines (usually, I guess), so they build machines that do not run at 100%

[lunar python]

oh i see

[hard ivy]

I'm saying this information should stay written as 1.5x (the input/output has to be 1.5 times what what 1 machine at 100% uptime and clock speed produces/consumes).

A machine's output can be modulated by both clock speed and uptime. So if you want to go into percentages instead, it's not 150%, but 15000 %²

Just 150% total speed assumes everything is at 100% uptime and 150% total uptime assumes everything is at 100% speed. Neither of these have to be the case for the factory to work exactly as tools says.

But having 1.5x the output of one machine at 100% speed and uptime is required. It's a different factory if it isn't

[whole drum]

A machine's output can be modulated by both clock speed and uptime. So if you want to go into percentages instead, it's not 150%, but 15000 %²
This sounds way more confusing for your average user.

[hard ivy]

... Which is why I'm saying "keep it as 1.5x"

[white dawn]

You need 150% of the production of the recipe, regardless of how you chop it up. I still don't really get what you're saying, though, so I'll disengage; gotta run AFK etc.

[hard ivy]

Of the recipe, yes. But clock speed and uptime are a property of the machine, not recipe

[whole drum]

Isn't Tools more concerned with recipes, though?

[reef basin]

and property of how you build it, not how you solve it

Tools don't care how you build, Tools give you solved numbers

[whole drum]

I mean, feel free to tell me I'm wrong, but... I'm pretty sure if you're using the solved numbers for the recipes, your machines should ideally be running at (or close) to 100% uptime, ya?

[hard ivy]

which is why I'm saying it should say "1.5x" and nothing else

[reef basin]

it does say that

the hover is extra information for people that want it

and the "extra information" is practically just "show the number with higher precision"

because the "1.5x" is rounded to 3 decimals

[hard ivy]

There's nothing that says that the machines have to run at 100% uptime. You can build more, have them run lower, or have just one or two running lower because they're not underclocked. It all works the same in the end

[vague creek]

its just a default to avoid overcomplicating everything

it would be monstrous to try to handle every use case/preference

[ivory condor]

and impractical to be honest

[whole drum]

Right, this is why Greeny was saying it's not a tool for laying anything out--just solving the math

[reef basin]

(and yet I had people suggest that)

[ivory condor]

yes and it should stay that way

[silk ocean]

I am in trouble

[whole drum]

You are in yourself?

[ivory condor]

ignore the suggestions, these are bad ones....

[steel kelp]

You should incorporate all of my changes no matter how impractical or how little benefit they may bring to others just because I am suggesting them :))

[silk ocean]

In trouble with the mods

[native frost]

Ou no

[ivory condor]

the tools in its current version is perfect and beyond remake the tools, shouldnt be changed from how it currently is

[vague creek]

why remake it?

[steel kelp]

I agree, i use it for outlining a factory and then i build the structure and belts with modeller

[whole drum]

To add more info/utility, I suppose

[lunar python]

gen curiosity, what can tools do that modeler cant?

[steel kelp]

Its just automatic

A lot quicker than building smth w modeller

[ivory condor]

right like support for overclocking, etc

[whole drum]

I think it's already neutral to that

[leaden turret]

greeny's got a server side linear math thingy, because figuring optimal paths is hard

[ivory condor]

some ideas where explored in the beta tools for what a remake could look like, but it was to buggy for mass use, hence it wasnt suitable for the main branch for calculations

[hard ivy]

I'd say it's far from perfect.

Closer to perfect would be a GUI for SF Optimizer

[reef basin]

just a slight correction - because at the time I was making them I couldn't find a fast enough client-side solver that would match my needs

[ivory condor]

whats that?

[leaden turret]

got some wasm stuff now?

[hard ivy]

Would be the best calculator available, if it wasn't a python script with only text input and output.

Pretty sure it can do everything tools can and more

[reef basin]

some of the bugs could've been fixed, but in general I'll need a different approach for the Tools (at least internally) to make it work, so a rework is a better choice imo

[reef basin]

possibly, also have been watching some js-based matrix solvers which seem promising. I have plan to do some testing on them in near future

[leaden turret]

currently in the process of rewriting my own calculator in a manner that means I don't have to maintain multiple branches for different versions

[leaden turret]

see also anything rust > wasm

[reef basin]

can it display "-0x Ballistic warp drive" boxes in plastic productions? 😛

[leaden turret]

or go > wasm, one supposes

[reef basin]

also while I was working on beta, the main branch got changed quite a lot which would require basically reimplementing the whole beta branch again 🙂

[hard ivy]

Actually, I think I have seen it say "Singularity cell, machine count 0.000, clock speed 0.000000, somersloops 0"

[reef basin]

but tools can do negative zero 😛

[ivory condor]

I have seen cases where it produces -0 even in production graphs on the main branch, which is always interesting

[charred sandal]

How do you make extra custom swatches?

Or am I just supposed to edit the 15 under tab 4 if I want to save a bunch of custom ones

[reef basin]

well the solver doesn't do "branches", the connections are placed manually by tools, so it's basically just a matter of "is the buggy recipe conectable to the actual recipes"

[mint fossil]

I want to love this game, but admittedly I'm starting to get frustrated with processing times and balancing resources correctly so I can make more things that are made from things

[ivory condor]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=98atmHP3pF2sw4WbbbAO well im this is starting to go a little out of control with all of the 0,-0 here😅

and probably not the worst example either

[vague creek]

How many machines for -0?

[ivory condor]

hard to say, i have no idea what its doing placing all of these 0 graphs that do absolutely nothing to be honest lol

[reef basin]

generally in SF there's no need to balance things. What are you balancing? 🤔

[reef basin]

I haven't investigated it that much, but my most likely guess is decimal point issues in the solver

[mint fossil]

Mostly splitting off iron bars for plates and rods at the moment, as well as splitting those plates and rods for screws, reinforced plates, etc

[ivory condor]

idk, its even more weird because its trying to make petroleum diamonds, which isnt even whats being asked for either for the end product, overall its strange what the tool is trying to do here

[reef basin]

ah, I'd rather recommend keeping production lines separate. One production line making plates, one making rods, one making screws (if you want them), one making reinforced plates, etc.

don't reuse previous productions for new factories, keep those going in storage so you can use those items. can also read https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency about this approach

[ivory condor]

well not that 0 PA for diamonds makes any sense either😅

but who knows what its even doing, the solver might be confused in some way here

[mint fossil]

Ok, I needed this about 3 hours ago gameplay wise

[hard ivy]

Be glad it's not 300

[reef basin]

well because I'm asking the solver "please solve this matrix", and every recipe is a variable, so at the end it just gives me result like "32.5x iron rod recipe" and "27.7777x alternate heavy oil residue", but during the solve it may use all the variables, so the result for some random recipe may be "close enough to zero but not exactly" for some reason (floats in computers are weird)

[ivory condor]

hmmm this is interesting its giving a clock speed of 0.0001% for these PA, ok then lol

you know that does look like some kind of decimal error hmmmm

[vague creek]

you can optimize almost any irritation you have out of the game if you want

[mint fossil]

The last similar automation game I played was mindustry... That relies a lot on splitting belts across turrets and such

[reef basin]

the clock speed is rounded up to nearest 4 decimal, so it may be 0.00000000000000000000001 or whatever

[ivory condor]

i didnt actually look at those clock speeds before but the 0.0001% is interesting for sure

[ivory condor]

oh ok, well as you say likely decimal errors in the solver

but could be something worth having cleaned up in the remake of the tools at least, though keeping in these strange results could be fun

[whole drum]

Yeah, no tower defense in this game. Much more emphasis on chill automation.

[vague creek]

I feel like when tools does something goofy I'm usually doing something equally goofy

[ivory condor]

if you want tower defense plenty of other games, rift breaker for instance is a automation, tower defense game, many other examples beyond that

[reef basin]

new Tools almost 100% won't use the solver I do now, so they will come with their own set of features bugs

[steel kelp]

Can you make the new tools only solve things with screws and if its not possible it just doesnt give you an answer

Or better yet, if its not possible a big jpeg of a screw pops up

[vague creek]

why new tools? maintanability, features, or both?

[ivory condor]

Everything is a bug until it becomes a feature, we all know this

[leaden turret]

reminder: in-depth discussion on calculatorywotsits is #math-and-meta

[ivory condor]

anybody remember cheatcrete, that became a feature in the form of soft clearance, same with hypertubes as the devs implemented to make it work with the new engine, those are some examples of bugs that have due to popular demand a feature of the game now

[vague creek]

stubby lifts

[gentle lion]

Can someone look at this and see why the water isn't filling? Or give me n idea only have the first eight hooked up

#screenshots message

[ivory condor]

also when they fixed cheatcrete, community became unset so they put that bug back in

[reef basin]

please use #1038092680493801533 for these, not the show-off-no-talk channel 🙂

[ivory condor]

that was a funny example of the devs putting a bug back into the game, because the community became upset it was fixed

[gentle lion]

Thanks.

[mint fossil]

I don't think I quite understand independency, how do I setup everything if I have two mark I miners? Each is connected to two smelters

[reef basin]

ignore "nodes" and "miners"

decide how much you want to make (e.g. 60 iron plates/min), calculate backwards to see how many raw resources you need (e.g. 60 iron ore/min), then find a place that has those resources and build a factory there.

[vague creek]

if you build a supply chain of factories that depend on the previous factory complexity grows and bottlenecks become an issue early game. Basically its just avoiding that

[mint fossil]

Ok ok, so I setup a factory designed to make a thing that relies on x of resource per minute

[whole drum]

D2R did this with the Andariel quest bug 🙂

[vague creek]

rotors and reinforced plates are their own factory eac making screws/rods etc.

[mint fossil]

Time to tear down my mega complex lol

[reef basin]

yeah. And if f.e. if you have 60/min miner and you only need 20/min of some ore, hook it to the miner, and mark that there's 40/min extra, which you can use for some future build

[vague creek]

If it works leave it running imo

[whole drum]

They may not have the map yet

[mint fossil]

Well yeah I guess I could stockpile resources to use in other factory construction

[reef basin]

you don't need map for it

[reef basin]

yeah, leave whatever you have, just build new things elsewhere

[vague creek]

build the replacement before tearing down a working factory if possible

[reef basin]

don't tear down at all, unless there's very specific reason

[mint fossil]

I know this logic sorta applies to factorio

[reef basin]

yeah, don't really apply things from Factorio here, the two games are VERY different in terms of playstyle

[vague creek]

Yeah I dont usually tear down its negative ROI in many cases

[compact flicker]

Just finished setting up my copper plant with 48 refineries which will make 1.875 pasta a minute :3

[mint fossil]

Oh I meant in the sense of make a new factory as an incremental improvement to the last one

[whole drum]

If you start on rich nodes and failed to plan so you can easily upgrade them, then maybe it's worth it--depending on what you need the extra ore for.

[mint fossil]

I haven't touched a dedicated factory game, much less factorio in like over a year or two

[reef basin]

yeah, that's what the independency doesn't recommend. Instead every new factory is separate and old factories are not touched, they just keep producing in storage

[spring root]

i just realized i accidentally made it perfect so a single mk1 pipe can handle all the oil residue i produce

10 plastic 10 rubber = 300oil residue p/min

[olive gale]

Just been getting into this game and I hear people talking about stitched iron plates but when I try to look up how to unlock them I can't find anything? Whats the deal?

[spring root]

there are alternate recipes in the game you will find out how to unlock by exploring

[hard ivy]

it's an alternate recipe unlocked by scanning hard drives in the MAM

also, that's definitely written on the wiki somewhere

[spring root]

i guess subtlety out the window

[mint fossil]

I haven't explored much, which is silly

[ornate saffron]

Exploring is a nice break from the math and machines

[hard ivy]

and the benefits are huge

[olive gale]

Just a random chance to find it or is it in a specific to a location? I'm in tier 4 working towards 5/6 currently. I started in the 3rd starting location which, for a new player might have been a mistake admittedly

[steel kelp]

Until you get to phase 5 where uve explored everything and you can only do math and machines…

[ornate saffron]

Im sick of looking at refineries lol

[ivory condor]

lol

[steel kelp]

Lmao me too man

[ornate saffron]

My metal works was over 200 refineries.

[steel kelp]

I cant wait to hate myself whilst i build my nuclear facility

[ivory condor]

yeah late game really turns into a refinery simulator

[vague creek]

use blueprints with walls? 😛

[white dawn]

Whenever you scan a hard drive, every alt recipe currently available has an equal chance of popping up. There's no fixed locations for where to get a certain recipe

The best way (IMO) to ensure that you're getting the recipes you want is by making sure that you're exploring enough to max out your research at just about every point in the game. :) (ie: gotta catch 'em all!)

[steel kelp]

To add to this: if you’re not gonna use either recipe immediately you should just not select anything to take them out the pool of recipes your other hard drives can get

[olive gale]

That's good advice though sad for me lol I am very much a cave dweller and prefer numbers or exploring but I shall put on my best running shoes and get to getting. Thank you

[white dawn]

To slightly disagree with that: personally I only recommend leaving recipes unselected if you're specifically looking for one recipe. In that case, yeah, it makes sense to leave them until you get the one you want. But if you're just sort of generally doing research, IMO it's better to just have more recipes available while building, instead of leaving them in the library. :D

[steel kelp]

But if you have them unselected you get to pick and choose what you want when you need it

[white dawn]

Recipes just sitting unredeemed in the library are recipes you're never gonna take the time to try out. I always just like having more options right when building. :)

[steel kelp]

I guess cuz i use modeller a lot i always see which recipes i could use in a factory

So never rly ran into that issue

[hard ivy]

a recipe you're not gonna use is just a wasted drive. if you won't use it, why take it

[white dawn]

Yeah, except IMO most of the time that just leads to never actually using the recipes. As I say, I'd rather just have them all available as I'm building.

(And also, I always recommend sort of "maxing out" your hard drive research anyway. Just have all the recipes! :D)

[white dawn]

Honestly for myself, the only recipes I'm personally never going to use are biocoal and charcoal

I admit that if I ever do get that pair show up, I'll leave the drive sitting there

But I'm 100% on Team There's No Bad Recipes

Options are good. I love it when I end up in a situation where there's a recipe that's convenient that I've hardly (or even never!) used before

And if that recipe was off hiding away in the MAM then I'd never end up using it

[primal obsidian]

and a piece of paper

wow man satisfactory tools is way easier then a calculator

what I sent that an hour ago

[reef basin]

yeah I've seen many cases of people going "oh I forgot I kept this recipe in MAM" (usually because they didn't know how they could use it back then)

[white dawn]

Also, I disagree with the concept of a "wasted drive." We have a surplus of drives in the game even if you don't buy them from the shop

If there were fewer drives than there are recipes I'd be more inclined to agree, but as it is, just keeping up with your exploration and finding all the drives you can (and having those recipes available to you at your fingertips while building!) is well worth it, IMO

[reef basin]

people look in codex/machines when looking for recipe options
people don't look in MAM

[hard ivy]

literally never seen someone say that. But I have seen one person forget they had taken recipe in the past and kept scanning drives to get it

[white dawn]

(I mean, I'm sure some people do look in the MAM. I expect more experienced folks who do have stronger opinions re: their recipe preferences could make good use of the "keep the drives unredeemed" method. But for any newer players still learning the game, IMO just picking one at random is far better advice than leaving them in the MAM)

[primal obsidian]

what does IMO mean

[white dawn]

(And since this question pretty much only ever pops up when it's a newer player still learning the game, I remain inclined to recommend just picking one and finding more drives. :)

[white dawn]

In My Opinion. :)

[primal obsidian]

ohhhhh

[open swallow]

if you scan a drive but don't redeem a recipe, those two recipes are excluded from any further hard drives

[white dawn]

Tryin' to resist stating opinions as fact, etc. :D

[open swallow]

iit can be beneficial to not take the recipe

[reef basin]

if you know what you're doing, sure
but most new people don't know that (and many experienced don't either 😛 )

[white dawn]

If you already have strong opinions about recipes, maybe, sure. But once you realize that there's essentially no such thing as a bad recipe, and just want options while building, then keeping things unredeemed is just hamstringing your factory-building. (With the exception, of course, of the cases where you are specifically farming for one recipe you want. Obvs in that case it's to your advantage to store drives until you find what you want)

Anyway, always gonna be two main schools of thought about that, just felt like advocating for my own preferences. :P

[vague creek]

Why redeem a recipe I wont use?

[open swallow]

^ Exactly.

[primal obsidian]

there’s been so many times when I’ve been able to skip a resource using alts so I agree that its better to pick randomly

[ivory condor]

Well enough hard drives exist to get all recipes, its really a question of what you want first when progressing through the game

[reef basin]

how do you know you won't use it?

[primal obsidian]

then just let it sit in storage

[white dawn]

Again, sure, if you already have that opinion, then maybe it makes sense. But for players who are unfamiliar with recipes (or players like myself who are essentially willing to use anything), just pick randomly and move on, in the absence of strong opinion. :)

[ivory condor]

generally I ignore recipes I dont like, like charcoal, biocoal being recipes that i dont like as a personal preference

purely subjective i grant that, but i really truly do hate those recipes, deeply

[hard ivy]

or you could check what each recipe/recipe combo allows you to do, and only take them when you want to take advantage of said benefits

[white dawn]

Yeah, biocoal and charcoal are the butt of many a distasteful gaze. :D There are uses for those, but they are by far the most niche of the alt recipes

[vague creek]

If someone sees bolted frame and loves screws, go for it

[primal obsidian]

top alts gotta be diluted fuel and heavy residual oil, sloppy alumina and pure aluminum ingot so far

used together

[ivory condor]

yeah so niche I have basically never used them XD

[primal obsidian]

never used those either

[ivory condor]

hence my dislike of them, due to lack of real practical use, as biomass you cant automate nor wood, so whats the point of turning any of that into coal....

[whole drum]

I say enjoy the only relevant "rogue-like" element the game has to offer and just pick a recipe that looks interesting when it pops up if you think you might use it. Otherwise, reroll and pick one of those.

[whole drum]

Pretty much why almost nobody uses them

[vague creek]

Potential remains if I dont pick it now I can always pick it when I decide I want it

[whole drum]

I really only do that if I know I won't use either

[humble bough]

wait you can't upload an image in here?

[whole drum]

Nope. It's lame.

[humble bough]

I was about to upload a pic of a factory I am working on and how I should start it

[reef basin]

there's no reason to put image in this chat

[reef basin]

then that's a question and goes to #1038092680493801533 or #design-and-architecture

[humble bough]

I didn't want to create a whole thing for it bc it could be answered in a sentance

[hard ivy]

which is like 1/3-1/2 of the recipes for me

[ivory condor]

Maybe one day if farming is implemented and we can automate biomass/wood production, but probably no chance of that happening😅

[reef basin]

I mean that's the whole point of that channel 🙂
(also, they allow images)

[hard ivy]

but why would you farm wood for coal when you can just mine it

[whole drum]

At a certain point you don't want to travel super far for it 😄

[ivory condor]

case when your out of coal and you can make a tree farm to get wood instead, well it was just a idea i had for implementing farming as a automation for this game

[vague creek]

Cant collect wood without travel, collect more wood and you need to travel further

[ivory condor]

basically someway to make these alts useful via farming to get biomass/coal, and turn it into something you could actually properly automate it would take implementing additional gameplay mechanics to make it all make sense

[whole drum]

They probably won't do anything like that though, because one of the premises is that you are exploiting the environment--sometimes irreversibly

[ivory condor]

but mass murdering trees is exploiting

[whole drum]

Trees don't grow all that fast either

[ivory condor]

just a more automated farm of this, i view that as perfect levels of exploitation

[ivory condor]

well maybe like ficsmis trees, that give gifts or wood in this case, idk you could put in different ideas to make it work

[vague creek]

the minecraft auto chicken cooker is dystopian af

[ivory condor]

i forgot about that

[whole drum]

I thought it was fairly realistic

[ivory condor]

hahaha it is and i love it

[whole drum]

Not to get into the politics of it, but I have a hard time thinking of something much more dystopian than being an Iranian in Tehran right about now.

IYKYK

[vague creek]

while playing a game with infinite water

[whole drum]

fr

I gotta think about something else... that's too depressing.

[humble bough]

Posted!

[mortal ginkgo]

Guys I need like 50 powershards. Please send some. ty.

[humble bough]

use a map to find slugs

[mortal ginkgo]

want me to work instead of asking for free?

does my name read pure limestone node to you?

[vague creek]

cant wait to see new game modes

[humble bough]

wait what

what new game modes

[mortal ginkgo]

1.2 patch next year

[vague creek]

1.2 teased there will be some modes, not infinite endgame, not announced what

[ivory condor]

your a impure limestone node apu

[humble bough]

o

[mortal ginkgo]

did you know that i can be better than a normal limestone node if you use 3 power shards?

how about you give some?

[vague creek]

CSS is a company all about trolling that just happens to have made a great game

[ivory condor]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-satisfactory-slug-power-shard-power-slug-gif-26726040

[vague creek]

fluid truck is peak trolling

[mortal ginkgo]

what if it got a purpose?

[vague creek]

Its the context

[mortal ginkgo]

i am sure many would be happy hearing mk3 or 4 pipes tho

[whole drum]

SF Players: Fluids are really buggy.
CSS: Okay, we put it on a truck.
SF Players: Those are buggy too!
CSS: Yes.

[mortal ginkgo]

they are not buggy, just wobbly

[strange mica]

Do smelters ever get a MK Upgrade? Or is it just power shards?

[whole drum]

Just shards

[quick hound]

Jokes on you! I can’t read! :3

[whole drum]

Or alt recipes

[strange mica]

Do you/people find any benefit in using the foundry recipes for things like iron, copper etc?

[reef basin]

yes

[vague creek]

sure

[white dawn]

If the recipe's in the game, people have been using them. :)

[unborn moss]

You just need more.

[reef basin]

if you like them, go for them

[vague creek]

I dont use iron alloy though iron is too abundant

[strange mica]

I'm still new to them myself (just unlocked steel)

[white dawn]

Iron Alloy's nice in conjunction w/ Copper Alloy, if you've got a factory which is going to be using both iron+copper anyway

Extra production of both, essentially for free

[ivory condor]

no because it would be worse than mk2 pipes and those are problematic enough

[vague creek]

the pipes work fine. Its the interactions in the pipe network

[ivory condor]

i couldnt be optimistic about mk3 pipes, given the state of mk2 pipes in general

[strange mica]

Oh? This is a good point, my current setup is an Iron & Copper setup I just went with more smelters to solve my problems

[vague creek]

The problem with mk.3 pipes would be bigger pipe encourages more machines = more problems

[whole drum]

I think mk3 sounds great for people who don't struggle with mk2 since the same principles apply

[vague creek]

Eh it would multiply fluid superstition by an order of magnitude.

[whole drum]

Fun thing about superstition is that it's easily overcome through education

[vague creek]

but not miseducation

the only thing people agree on is everyone else is wrong and it works on my machine

[whole drum]

Just read the manual? lol

[vague creek]

that points to a systemic flaw imo

[strange mica]

Regarding smelters again, I'm having an issue they're always over capping on iron ore/iron ingots and both sides of the belts get congested despite them being calculated specifically to be using exact resources.

Is this a common issue or is my math wrong somewhere etc?

[whole drum]

Are you using a manifold?

[strange mica]

I have no idea

[whole drum]

Does it feed in from one side and use splitters to feed the smelters, or do you use a series of splitters to evenly distribute into each smelter?

[strange mica]

But like my example I can give is.

I have 60 iron ore from miner, so I have 2 smelters for 30 each.

Ah evenly distributed

I build in set-ups of 3 to split into evenly, I tried using the splitter line but it just felt like it would never fill the back end, not sure if that's a belt item cap issue or time

[leaden turret]

would you walk under a ladder after attending a lecture on concussions?

[whole drum]

Are the outputs overfeeding the next step in production (plates or rods, for example)?

[whole drum]

I'd wear a hard hat 😄

[pine patrol]

if you hate both let it sit it will prevent your nest hard drives from having that recipe

[strange mica]

Yes the ore is capping and the ingots but for example im making 60 ingots a minute and my constructors are using 60 per minute but I'm still getting congested

[whole drum]

I'm not sure what you mean

If you have 60 ore/m, your smelters produce 40 ingots/m
Nvm, mistaken for plates ratio. Disregard.

[vague creek]

I'm going to go with not a known issue

[strange mica]

I'm struggling to explain

[strange mica]

Miners 60/m
Smelters using 60/m
Constructors use all ingots/m

But it gets congested despite all 3 steps being 100% consumed

[white dawn]

Start a #1038092680493801533 thread with images of your setup, btw

[whole drum]

Probably because they filled up before you turned everything on

[vague creek]

likely a misunderstanding based on how buffers and splitters work

[white dawn]

Much easier to diagnose that kind of thing when you've got images of exactly what's going on. :)

[strange mica]

I tried to before but I didn't have an appropriate tag

[white dawn]

Just have to pick a tag from the list; don't sweat that too much

[vague creek]

If the miner is not stalling, dont sweat it if you're producing 60 ore and using it, it should work itself out

[strange mica]

Ahh that's easy

[white dawn]

Like "troubleshooting" or presumably nowadays even just "Platform: foo"

(also channels like #design-and-architecture and #math-and-meta allow image embedding too. Arguably your questions could fit into #math-and-meta . :) Though #1038092680493801533 is often the best place anyway; far less chance of the question getting buried over there)

[strange mica]

I generally struggled to figure where to ask for help XD so I came to this chat since it was active

[white dawn]

Yeah, all good; this is most folks' first stop. :)

[strange mica]

But the tag issue resolved makes things easier

[white dawn]

Just that once images become helpful it's not ideal, is all. :)

[whole drum]

I wonder if this is just a Factorio player who is used to seeing things moving constantly... 😉

[strange mica]

Nope never played factorio

I'm more a minecrafter who builds mega farms

[vague creek]

every time I play with a factorio player they never do math

[strange mica]

I promise you I'm doing math but XD

[vague creek]

That the joke

[whole drum]

It's certainly better to, but I can understand the attitude of just "Feed the bus, take what you need, feed the bus moar"

[vague creek]

I'm talking about people that I feel roll a d20 to determine how many machines to build lol

[strange mica]

Is this wrong?

[whole drum]

Oh, lol.... yeah... sometimes I wonder if it's even that much thought

[strange mica]

It also helped me choose the colour pallete

[vague creek]

last time a guy built 10 manufacturers for ballistic warp drives

[white dawn]

I'm still considering adding a "feature" to my own personal factory solver to literally randomize recipe choices for me, for my next playthrough. :P

Enough of this optimization shit; let's just yolo it

[unkempt blade]

that's crazy talk, you're supposed to roll to pick which recipes you use not how many structures you build

[vague creek]

Its more that at a certain point it feels like monkeys banging on a typewriter 😄

It works with a bus but results are... odd with a borg cube of spaget

[unkempt blade]

It's not a very difficult game. People don't need to get all sweaty to build a factory that runs but many choose to

[vague creek]

sure

I dont think the minimum amount of math is particularly sweaty

build 17 smelters on a normal node?uh...

[unkempt blade]

maybe they like how 17 looks 🙂

[vague creek]

must be it

[unkempt blade]

we all know the only min/maxing that actually matters is maximizing how many vehicles you use

[vague creek]

sugar cubes ftw

[austere dune]

Still new to game and figuring out power. Is the ideal setup to a generator 1 power tower and 3 machines?

[vague creek]

ideal is a tricky question

[unkempt blade]

4000 biomass burners and/or we need you to explain what a power tower and a machine are

[barren arch]

when i die i want the menu music playing

[glad quest]

rookies numbers

(i legit once had 100 biomass burners (wasnt worth it))

[unkempt blade]

hey it's more than enough to let you finish phase 1

[glad quest]

legit 2 nuclear power plants

[white dawn]

Nearly everyone eventually lands on having one single "unified" power grid, btw, rather than tying machines specifically to one generator

[glad quest]

no most early machines r 4mw a biomass burner makes 30mw

[white dawn]

So you wire all your power-generation machinery together so that they combine into a single power pole, and then run power out from there

That way all the machines in your factory pull from the same "pool" of power

[glad quest]

no i want to have outpost power grids

[white dawn]

Hence why I said "nearly." :)

[glad quest]

how would u do it

[white dawn]

I mean, I was responding to Wanderer, not you. :)

[glad quest]

cuz u cant have a fuel or nuclear powerplant at every outpost

[unkempt blade]

with thousands of power storage things built to protect it from my friends!

[white dawn]

If I were doing it, I wouldn't do it in the first place. :) I'd have a unified power grid, instead!

[barren arch]

fun fact: packager perfectly fits on foundations

[glad quest]

fun fact constructers r like 1/2 larger than smelters

[white dawn]

I admit I have often wanted to go connect all the map's geothermal into one grid, and use that for powering transportation/logistics infrastructure (ie: all my hypertubes + trains)

[unkempt blade]

I think mini power grids make sense if both the generators and the stuff producing fuel for the generators are all in one place. Ex: for oil power I'll use a mini grid to make it so the fuel producers can never get their fuse blown

[white dawn]

I've never been able to justify the effort to myself, in the end, though

[glad quest]

yeah most def isnt worth

whats the best steel ingot recipe (i dont have oil)

[white dawn]

[insert "there is no such thing as 'best'" spiel]

[vague creek]

lol

[unkempt blade]

but for like nuclear my materials for making the nuke fuel are usually more distributed so the mini grid would be super annoying to keep separate

[glad quest]

ok which gives me the most steel ingot for my iron input

coal isnt an issue

[white dawn]

Solid Steel is popular, though. Better ore/resource efficiency at the cost of some complexity (and maybe power)

[glad quest]

thought so

[unkempt blade]

coke steel is the best one

[white dawn]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production is a nice way to compare recipe chains, fwiw

[glad quest]

tho isnt compacted steel ingot better?

[white dawn]

I mean, again, "better" is in the eye of the beholder. :)

[hard ivy]

why even bother asking if you're gonna question the answer

[white dawn]

I recommend sftools for recipe noodling. Keep in mind that it's very difficult to judge a recipe in isolation; what matters is the entire recipe chain

[unkempt blade]

he's setting us up for the layup answer which is obviously coke steel in this case

[white dawn]

Recipes often have synergies (or, like, anti-synergies) with each other. sftools makes it easy to compare, though; graphs will update as you select/deselect recipes

[hard ivy]

not if you use an alt for iron ingots

[white dawn]

Keep in mind that if the solver really likes one recipe that you want to not have, you can always deselect it, even if it's a vanilla recipe

[glad quest]

i was thinking of doing basic steel ingot (iron and limestone) to double my iron then doing solid steel ingot

tho i dont think i have enough limestone

[unkempt blade]

That makes sense. You need it all for concrete so you can pave the world

[glad quest]

esp for teh molded steel beam its peak

[hard ivy]

if you have other alts, not really tbh

[glad quest]

rlly? concrete and steel for 45 beams pm

[hard ivy]

with encased industrial pipe, there isn't really a need for beams

[glad quest]

its for teir 3 belts

[hard ivy]

you don't need that many beams for that

[unkempt blade]

I think you should go for it. Use whatever is fun for you

Kyo doesn't even like screws so his recipe opinions can't be trusted

[glad quest]

lol i love screws

infact i sometimes go for screw recipes cuz

[barren arch]

i fucking hate screws

[glad quest]

lol

[hard ivy]

as you should

[unkempt blade]

So melodramatic. Variety makes the game interesting 😄

[steel kelp]

Phase 5 complete!!!!

[leaden turret]

🎶 they paved paradise and put up a parking lot 🎶

[steel kelp]

What a fun game

[glad quest]

based

[steel kelp]

I could have done it sm sooner if i didnt decide to build a megafactory at the start of phase 4 lol

But the console port was rly great, and it was such a fresh title compared to everything else out on console

[glad quest]

how long did it take

[glad quest]

yeah its quiet a unique game tbh not too many like it

[steel kelp]

180 hours but some of that is afk

[glad quest]

thats quick

[steel kelp]

But not afking for parts, just accidentally leaving the game on

[unkempt blade]

but now you have a great starting point for your sandbox phase gigafactory

[barren arch]

same

[glad quest]

yeah that totally doesnt just float 200m above the floor

[steel kelp]

Yea im gonna make 900gw of nuclear power now

[leaden turret]

#satisfactory-memes message

[steel kelp]

Nonono i never afk crafted things

[leaden turret]

diiiid crafting occur? 😛

[steel kelp]

I didnt rly feel tempted to do that cuz i always had stuff to explore or do

[steel kelp]

Yea but not project parts at least lol

[leaden turret]

so idle crafting but not Idle Crafting 😛

[steel kelp]

Efficient crafting i think is what i would call it

[glad quest]

does anyone else hate refineries

they r soo big for how many u need

[hard ivy]

I love refineries

[leaden turret]

back in the day you had to package fluids with the refinery

[glad quest]

remember when oil came out in barrels

[steel kelp]

They suck when you are using them inside a building

[glad quest]

ikr

[steel kelp]

But the solution is just to have rows of them cluttering the environment

[glad quest]

tho they do look awesome

[leaden turret]

10 wall segments high buildings, problem solved

[steel kelp]

Yea i ended up doing smth similar but was annoying lol

[unkempt blade]

just let the smoke stacks clip through the next floor and claim it's decorative!

[steel kelp]

I think i made way too much pasta/singularity cells

I make 80 cells per min

Idk why i thought i need that many

[unkempt blade]

you need them for coupons for gold statues!

[steel kelp]

I am just missing the nut now

[compact flicker]

Is there a way to only have specific resources highlighted with the radar towers? Or is it all or nothing

[steel kelp]

I need like 200 or so tickets

[glad quest]

its nerf or nothing

[compact flicker]

Damn alr

Ty

[glad quest]

use the satisfactory map

[steel kelp]

Yea the map is way better than the towers lol

They clutter everything so quick

[glad quest]

no i mean its a website that u can put filters on

for only certain ores

[leaden turret]

SCIM, linked in #welcome

[compact flicker]

Maybe in my next game, but im tryna keep outside help to a minimum on this one

Ty tho

[glad quest]

its not help

its legit just turns of icons for ores

so u can see easier where they r

NOOO IM MAKING 90 concrete pm and i need 80 of it ill never be able to make the concrete gods happy

[whole fable]

How do you handle building in an area with stuff like the giant poison bug or the rad hog?

Just started my aluminum stuff and this area is a huge pain

[compact flicker]

Im not entirely sure but I think building in an area cuts spawns down

[fervent sand]

what's the site that has a huge database of builds?

[leaden turret]

scim has megaprints, community highlights archive has community highlights archive

[charred sandal]

its 4 impure to equal 1 pure right

lol

[hard ivy]

Generally, yes. Though if your belts are slower than your miners, you might be able to extract more from 4 impures than 1 pure

[sharp basin]

Guys, good place to build a steel factory? Was thinking Blue Crater but this area might be more useful later

[glad quest]

do u know the area n

its got 4 normal coal nodes

[quick hound]

But that begs the question.. how many pures to impure?

[glad quest]

and 4 pure iron nodes

[sharp basin]

Blue Crater?

[glad quest]

no

further north

[sharp basin]

Nope haven’t been north of Blue Crater

Coal and iron?

[quick hound]

oh hi smoggle

[sharp basin]

Hi bro

[quick hound]

How you doin?

[sharp basin]

Fine dude, life’s pretty quiet rn so lots of hours into Satis

[unkempt blade]

is your train factory amazing?

[quick hound]

Epik! Whatchu building rn?

[quick hound]

I took a break from it, overall I’m 60% done

[glad quest]

go to blue crater look due north u will see a forest to the right and a desert to the left the intersection of the 2 has asmall river going to the sea

[sharp basin]

Been doggo hunting, got 10 now, and doing lots of MAM

[quick hound]

I would go doggo hunting but I’d end up killing them on accident

[sharp basin]

Finished my 1st factory that has all basic products so gotta do my steel factory now

[quick hound]

I personally finished making a rocket fuel plant, and will be building a major power plant (major pp, hehe)

God I’m so mature

[sharp basin]

OK I’ll take a walk there, I really need to unlock jetpack

[glad quest]

lol

[unkempt blade]

parachute is like 80% as good and really easy to unlock early 😄

[quick hound]

hey, you want to huff rocket fuel with me?

[coral glacier]

Don't inhale rocket fuel

[quick hound]

yer not me mum

[coral glacier]

Working at a nuclear power plant is safer

[unkempt blade]

Yeah that's a bad idea. You're supposed to drink it out of your ficsit approved coffee cup

[fervent sand]

is it ok for ducks to do that?

[quick hound]

yes

[sharp basin]

Don’t have Polymer Resin to unlock it

[fervent sand]

Ah ok

I would join you but it would burn up before I can drink

[quick hound]

so do you wanna huff rocket fuel with me?

[unkempt blade]

I think you just need mycelia unless I'm misremembering the materials to get there

[coral glacier]

Fun Fact:

Fresh nuclear fuel isn't radioactive and can be handled by hand. (with gloves)

[quick hound]

what happens if I eat it? cuz is yum

Like a rich soup :3

[coral glacier]

[sharp basin]

And Synthetic Polyester Fabric, for which you need Polymer Resin

[unkempt blade]

that's an alt recipe, there's one that uses mycelia and biomass

[quick hound]

this! ^

[sharp basin]

Mmmm huffing fuel

[coral glacier]

You need polymer node first

[sharp basin]

Haven’t seen a SINGLE one

[quick hound]

I just finished huffing a industrial fluid tank worth of rocket fuel

[compact flicker]

I need to set up a rocket fuel factory..

[quick hound]

He’s fucking with you, you get it from refining oil.

[sharp basin]

Talking about the MAM recipe

[sharp basin]

Shit

[fervent sand]

-# IT'S A JOKE

[sharp basin]

You GOT me

[glad quest]

i posted a sc of the area u should build

[quick hound]

you want some oil? It tastes like cocacola:3

[coral glacier]

Espuma

[sharp basin]

Yeah but oil is gonna be AFTER my steel factory which I still have to start

[quick hound]

or do you want some HOR? It tastes like grape soda :3

[north frigate]

Hello, im new here is it worth buying satisfactory?

[quick hound]

Yes.

[fervent sand]

Yes.

[sharp basin]

Are you high or something? Not a critic, I’m high sometimes, because why the fuck not

[glad quest]

200%

[coral glacier]

Highly Oversaturated Radiation?

[sharp basin]

Yes sir.

[fervent sand]

What even do phoenixes drink? Wouldn't most fluids evaporate before one?

[quick hound]

heavy oil residue

[quick hound]

yes.

[coral glacier]

Ohm.

[sharp basin]

That’s my boy.

[unkempt blade]

It's the shrooms in the parachute fabric. I can't avoid it

[quick hound]

faint sounds of huffing rocket fuel

[coral glacier]

Hello! :D

[fervent sand]

@quick hound Do you have an idea?

[sharp basin]

Taking a break, gotta eat my nutrients

[fervent sand]

weird asking a duck for advice

[quick hound]

hmmm…. Maybe if they flew into the water to extinsquish themselves?

extinguish**

[quick hound]

enjoy alien protein bars from Ficsit

[glass pagoda]

I built a ladder that with a parachute allows me to go to any spot in the map

[unkempt blade]

or just take an inhaler so you can get back to building faster

[glass pagoda]

I just finished phase 2 of space elevator

[quick hound]

hey, so you’re a lizard doggo right?

[glass pagoda]

Not irl

[quick hound]

for shame

[glass pagoda]

But ur a duck right

[quick hound]

impersonating a lizard doggo is a crime punishable by radiation hogs

[glass pagoda]

I dont impresin my doggo I take him for walks all the time

[quick hound]

here, hold this.

[glass pagoda]

I also emptied leaves from my invintory to make a bed

[glass pagoda]

Alr this thing is cool ... why do you have a button

[quick hound]

boom

[glass pagoda]

You fool I'm on full heath that means I can't die from one hit

[quick hound]

jokes on you, I put two more on your back! boom boom

[glass pagoda]

eats

[quick hound]

hey those were my snacks

[coral glacier]

"I have an idea" said Josh

[glass pagoda]

The factory must consume and it will consume flesh

[quick hound]

I WILL COMMIT VEHICULAR MANSLAUGHTER!

[coral glacier]

No bonk

[cedar garden]

Has there ever been talks of creating a new map or new content?

[glass pagoda]

Ah ah ah that would be damage to fixit property and that gets you killed

[feral geyser]

Satisfactory version of a nerd pole

[glass pagoda]

The map is so amazing I could have this map for years and still explore it

[quick hound]

I’ll hit you in 5-8 business days.

[glass pagoda]

I'll eat all the business so there can be no business days

[quick hound]

[glass pagoda]

The game

[quick hound]

GOTEM

[glass pagoda]

I lost the game

[quick hound]

OM nom nom

[glass pagoda]

Om nom nom

[sharp basin]

How do you unlock Circuit Boards?

[glass pagoda]

Mam research

omnomnom

[sharp basin]

Yeah but where?

[shell lava]

BROOHOHOOO! I CAN'T FIGURE OUT PATH SIGNALS AND BLOCK SIGNALS!

[open swallow]

post your layout in #1038092680493801533 and we can help you out

[glass pagoda]

Let me check

[sharp basin]

Must be Sulfur tree

[glass pagoda]

Im wrong it's teir 5 oil processing

[open swallow]

circuit boards are in tier 5, with alternate recipes in Caterium and Quartz research

[glass pagoda]

But please but your inquiries in #1038092680493801533

[sharp basin]

OK, seems I’m block in MAM tree for now until I have oil/rubber

And computers

Unless my doggos WORK

Sniff boys, sniff

[shell lava]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1442608007920881797

[glass pagoda]

Doggo police here I need to ask you some questions

[charred sandal]

Anyone got a BP for a pipe on a steady incline? I cant figure out how to do it without waves

[glass pagoda]

@sharp basin

[steel kelp]

What do people do with the byproduct water from making non fissile uranium

[hard ivy]

put it back into acid?

[steel kelp]

Oh im stupid i didnt think of that

[primal obsidian]

hey guys you were right satisfactory calculator is better then a calculator

[glass pagoda]

Would you rather live in the swamp or explode

[sharp basin]

Yeah listening officer

[glass pagoda]

Alright so are your dogos in an area that has glass walls

Yes or no

[whole drum]

The correct answer is no: You don't want them to get sunburned

[sharp basin]

No sir, construction fences, but each got basic shelf units with 2 personal storage boxes containing paleberries sir

[glass pagoda]

Alright alright

Do you take them on walks

[sharp basin]

You can see my kennel is legit sir

[sharp basin]

No because they’re a pain in the ass to take on walks sir, but they enjoyed their trip coming here, they even took a personal elevator

[glass pagoda]

A small walk could go a long way so please try to

Next question, do you have plants in the enclosure you could just place down leaves and call it a day

[whole drum]

How strange. You don't use them as a food source?

[glass pagoda]

I punish you to survive in southern swamp for 30 minutes

Whilst moving

[charred sandal]

Trying to get nice S turns on multi track pipes and belts is starting to drive me crazy

[sharp basin]

Will do sir

[unkempt blade]

wet concrete

[glass pagoda]

Last question

[unkempt blade]

42

[sharp basin]

No sir, console player, don’t have access to that kind of shit

[upbeat kayak]

finally automated phase 2 parts

[glass pagoda]

Have u called them a good boy

[glass pagoda]

U can't drag stuff out ur invintory?

[whole drum]

My doggoes aren't praise-motivated; they like treats--like nosy inspectors and Karens

[steel kelp]

It’s ok the amount of water i make perfectly fits into the amount of nitric and sulphuric acid i need

[unkempt blade]

but just think of all the concrete you're missing out on!

[sharp basin]

@glass pagoda You haven’t asked but their names are Doggy-boy, Doggy-bag, Doggy-bro, Doggy-bubble, Doggy-baby, Doggy-bobine, Doggy-bird, Doggy-Bob, Doggy-babe and Doggy-brown

[glass pagoda]

That's a lot of doggos

[sharp basin]

You mean drop leaves on the floor? That would work?

[glass pagoda]

Yes

[unkempt blade]

one of those is my IRL dog's name

[sharp basin]

Doggy-boy?

[whole drum]

Doggy-style

[unkempt blade]

nope

[sharp basin]

Got my next doggo’s name

[glass pagoda]

I remember my first doggo his name was max and I loved him until he got stuck under the map somthing tells me he is still watching over me from the space elevator fly high max fly high

[sharp basin]

@glass pagoda Doggy-bro?

[glass pagoda]

Huh

[whole drum]

Doggy-snoop-snoop

[sharp basin]

OK got a another one

[sharp basin]

You said one of my names was your irl’s dog name

[glass pagoda]

That was someone else

[sharp basin]

@unkempt blade that would be you

[whole drum]

Get a Chihuahua named "Min" and a St Bernard named "Max"

[glass pagoda]

Guys you know what would be a cool challenge?

If you tried to make a zoo with every enemy

[sharp basin]

Huffing turbofuel?

[glass pagoda]

That ain't a challenge thats a necessity

[unkempt blade]

I agree I am me

[sterile blade]

Some animals aren't... Uhm... Compatible 😅

[sharp basin]

So which one is it?

[whole drum]

Like other pioneers

[sterile blade]

Animal sanctuary turns into a battle arena

[unkempt blade]

it's the best one

[glass pagoda]

Guys if you turn on aracniphobia mode the spiders turn to pngs of kittys

[sharp basin]

Gotta be Doggy-Bob

[unkempt blade]

which is way scarier than spider so it's a weird feature to have

[whole drum]

The best cure for arachnophobia is pyromania.

[quick hound]

or the power of guns.. and C4

[unkempt blade]

Cats have bit me dozens of times and spider just leave me alone and catch flies. It's not even close

[sharp basin]

You’re right cats are the worst

[whole drum]

But cats aren't venomous

[sharp basin]

They are man

[quick hound]

can’ts

[sharp basin]

Their hate is venomous

[unkempt blade]

they're amazing but they're also violent little serial killers

[sterile blade]

More like poisonous (claws)

[quick hound]

And Chuahuahua’s have the anger of a thousand men in a tiny body

[whole drum]

That LLM predictive text yo...

[quick hound]

God hit “randomize stats” and landed on small head, big eyes, small body and ANGER OF A THOUSAND MEN for Chuahuahuas

[whole drum]

They are what an animal is like if you simulate 100% uptime on tweak in a tiny, rabid package

[quick hound]

LMAO

[sharp basin]

Can we FOCUS here this is a place for talking about planification and organizing your life

[quick hound]

we are focusing… on how funny chuahuahuas are

[open swallow]

demon dogs

no, demon rats

[quick hound]

Anger of a thousand men in a tiny dog body

[whole fable]

Who decided it was a good idea for hogs to become snipers? That was the biggest surprise for me as a returning player lol

[quick hound]

[open swallow]

Wait until you discover ||the radioactive hog living in the swamps, which throws radioactive rocks at you||

[glad quest]

i still refuse to use anything other than a xenobasher

[quick hound]

That’s just bimmy

[open swallow]

Yeah, you're not gonna last long against boss-tier enemies

[glad quest]

but ive killed them lol

ppl underestimate berries

[whole drum]

Good thing there aren't any

[devout wharf]

Hi guys quick question, why doesn't the path block always divide the track into sections?

[open swallow]

What? The harder ones are definitely "boss tier"

[unkempt blade]

it's fine, just hork more berries

[open swallow]

Post some screenshots of your rail layout in #1038092680493801533 and we can help

Lots of rail questions today

[quick hound]

I can imagine the pioneer stuffing the mask hole with a shit ton of berries and then literally can’t see because of the Berry remains on the mask

[glad quest]

i lowk just inject the berries into my pioneer

[quick hound]

berry needle

[whole drum]

I'd be more concerned about the fact that you never take the suit off and you would need to... relieve yourself... eventually

[glad quest]

u heat it on a spoon first

[glad quest]

as if i live long enoughl ol

[quick hound]

it’s like the filtration suit from subnautica, it filters your pee into drinking water

[unkempt blade]

that's smart because then you can just tilt your head back and get more berries

[whole drum]

Lot of new players since console release

[open swallow]

I think I can get that commissioned

[quick hound]

DO IT 😂

[open swallow]

already speaking to an artist

[upbeat kayak]

is there a way to change the time speed in this game

i don't want to wait 2 hours just to play the game again

[unkempt blade]

build less stuff so your tick rate doesn't decrease with save size

[gentle lion]

I ahve room for 14 more coal gens should i just make 6 extractors for them

[upbeat kayak]

space elevator should be removed or reworked so you don't have to wait so long

[unkempt blade]

8:3 is the normal ratio so that's fine you'd just have extra water

[hard ivy]

wait for what?

[upbeat kayak]

the parts

[primal obsidian]

are there any downsides to using max belt capacity, like mk.4 transporting exactly 480/min??

[hard ivy]

should've made them earlier then. or you can go explore right now

[primal obsidian]

ok thanks

[upbeat kayak]

i am doing them at the earliest point i can

[quick hound]

Duck attack

[unkempt blade]

Unless you're planning to add more to it before you can upgrade it that's normal

[hard ivy]

then you should still have plenty of other stuff to do

[quick hound]

Alright cya later

[open swallow]

I anticipate that reaction spam is frowned upon here

[hard ivy]

half of the things nether does are frowned upon here

[primal obsidian]

nooooo my waste is backlogged whyyyy

[wind marsh]

is it a problem if headlift is exceeding max level?

[hard ivy]

of course?

[quick hound]

it’s true.

[whole drum]

Or do you mean having a lot more than you use?

[wind marsh]

yeah, its at 55 with reccomended being 50

[quick hound]

I’m basically the servers resident crackhead

[wind marsh]

its got the warning in the menu when i interact with the pump so i wasnt sure how big of a problem it is

[hard ivy]

the problem is that your fluid won't make it up all the way

[primal obsidian]

somehow non fissile uranium was in the wrong belt and it back logged my whole nuclear waste managment plant

[quick hound]

How are you doing, Kyo?

[quick hound]

I can eat it to clear up the jam for you

[primal obsidian]

all 60000 of it?

waste i mean

[quick hound]

yes, it’s crunchy deliciousness

oh the waste? yes is good soup

[primal obsidian]

should i be automating PCC im on tier 8 and idk if they are used for anything other then nuclear pasta

[quick hound]

PCC?