satisfactory

[honest sleet]

yea but how

my iron system is a bit stressed rn

[kind jewel]

you use the map editing website and place them.

[honest sleet]

...ok, that sounds like file editing and that's more cheaty than i'm willing to do

i will cheat, but i won't cheat

[mystic oriole]

I just download blueprints, that works

[native tapir]

It's just another feature the devs forgot to add

Lots of those

Like a curved building tool

[honest sleet]

it took me way too long to get my power plant working, and then i realised i hadn't plugged in the second water extractor

[rain spindle]

Man this game sucks sometimes

I just want the alternate screws recipe so i can finish automating my reinforced plates factory

[hard ivy]

or you could use the alternate plates recipe that doesn't use screws

[kind jewel]

early game it's 1 Mk1 miner, 8 coal genators and 3 water extractors with Mk2 belts

[mortal ginkgo]

Read it if you are not enjoying the randomness of alternate recipes: ||Save before rescanning, if you didnt get the recipe, reload and do it again.||

[honest sleet]

i have 2 miners going (got lucky and had 2 coal deposits right next to each other)

[kind jewel]

If you where I think you are there are 4 total nodes with 1 blocked

[honest sleet]

yea

havent found the last unblocked one tho

[woven mica]

Got just my first game The end 😁

[honest sleet]

anyone else's lizard doggos give you items you haven't unlocked yet?

i got crystal oscillators before i unlocked them

[hard ivy]

they can give you anything in their loot pool at any time

[honest sleet]

i get all sorts of later game loot from my doggo

it's spawn name was doggowithalongname

[rain spindle]

Thats the problem

I dont have any alt recipes

Just copper rotors

[kind jewel]

just hard drive hunting

[honest sleet]

still need to get steel up and running...

need to get coal to main base

[rain spindle]

I need to rebuild my whole base and automate space tower upgrades

But i dont even have half of what it needs unlocked smh

I haven’t touched any of tier 6 unlocks

[little shale]

Should I bother picking up the uranium lying around? They can be infinitely mined with miners right?

[kind jewel]

Build a satelite factory and just belt in finished product.

[honest sleet]

only problem is i don't know if there's any iron nearby

also i want it to be sorta consolidated in the same area

like maybe 30-40ish range, but most of that is time i left the game running while doing other things

yea, i have the game running pretty much 24/7

[kind jewel]

@honest sleet sent you a picture

[hard ivy]

A better idea is to build automation that's fast enough so you don't have to do that

[honest sleet]

any idea how to make assemblers go faster

bcus one smart plating every 30 seconds is painful

[kind jewel]

either build more or use power shards

[hard ivy]

Overclock or build more

[honest sleet]

how tf do power shards work

[rain spindle]

Found another hard drive

[kind jewel]

have you messed with the M.A.M. yet?

[rain spindle]

Time to reload save till i get the damn screws recipe

[honest sleet]

yea, i have a good bit of it unlocked

i have a few power shards, but idk what to do with them

[kind jewel]

find the slugs and you turn them into power shards

[hard ivy]

you can put them into machines to make them run faster

[kind jewel]

yes

[grave haven]

you need to unlock slugs, to get power shards, power shards get put into machines meaning the machines are faster, outputting more resources but off course using more resources

[hard ivy]

+50% speed per shard, up to 3

[honest sleet]

ok then

my question exactly

[kind jewel]

you have to unlock that in the MAM

[honest sleet]

...flip.

[silk ocean]

Exponentially more power consumption

[honest sleet]

ima just make more

[grave haven]

just go into the machine and it should be in the menu, unless theres a lock over it then you will find that in the MAM

[hard ivy]

they don't run out. also, all power shards are the same

[rain spindle]

Man im not looking forward to this next space elevator phase considering how long the last one took me😭

[hard ivy]

it's cheap

[kind jewel]

Just the different colored slugs give you more power shards than the others.

yes

[grave haven]

then u will have to research it in the MAM

[hard ivy]

until you take it out ofc

[silk ocean]

You can manufacture power shards late game when you get the alt recipe

[grave haven]

this will confuse them let them js learn it later 😭

[hard ivy]

just know that a machine running at 2.5x speed will consume 3.5 times more power. so it takes less power to build more machines

[ornate saffron]

Don't sleep in the MAM or the awesome shop. Much good

[grave haven]

when they actually get to tier 9

[silk ocean]

Yep, well I did say late game xD

[honest sleet]

ima just make steel, and get tier 2 stuff

[hard ivy]

you always need more mam research

[grave haven]

also it will take more resources

[silk ocean]

Put stuff in cart, buy said stuff

[ornate saffron]

You put unwanted parts into the awesome sink and they give you points towards tickets. You use the tickets to purchase things in the awesome shop.

[grave haven]

you get an awesome sink, put useless or overflow resources into the awesome sink and then u get coupons, which can be used in the awesome shopo

[kind jewel]

Awesome Shop:
place and power a Awesome Sink
prints tickets over time depending on what is put in it.

[grave haven]

just a question what phase or tier are you in the game?

[kind jewel]

Then use tickets inside of Awesome shop

[grave haven]

i assume your either just past phase 1 or still in it

[kind jewel]

no worries

[ornate saffron]

Not everything can go into the awesome sink but most things can.

My rule of thumb is no nuclear other then rods

No unprocessed organics.
Think berries animal remains.

[shy mulch]

The game does tell you all this. That's why it's important to read the messages that you get while playing

[silk ocean]

Don't even have to read most of it, ADA talks to you too xD

[grave haven]

and you still havent unlocked overclocking? thats quite surprising tbf

[silk ocean]

Yep

[shy mulch]

Yes in the codex

[hard ivy]

They're in the codex

[random berry]

how do I turn off fog of war in satisfactory calculator after importing my save?

[hard ivy]

In the settings

[kind jewel]

top right

[shy mulch]

There's a button top right, small square button

[native tapir]

Yep. Just press "o" for "odex" and you'll see it

[leaden turret]

gotta remember some people are on console now

[silk ocean]

There is a console channel too

Prob best for specifics like buttons etc

[rain spindle]

I swear this game knows

Im getting everything except cast screws

I will not yield

This game will give me what i want

[hard ivy]

maybe it's a sign you should reconsider your choices

[native tapir]

What's the button on console

[kind jewel]

I got lucky with Alloy Iron pretty early

[rain spindle]

No

Im petty. I made up my mind already

[leaden turret]

effed if I know, I don't have one that Satisfactory runs on.

just general thing that B for Blashlight, N for Nalculator jokes aren't gonna land for everyone anymore

not least until the keyboard/mouse support lands on console, anyway

[rain spindle]

Nice try game

[silk ocean]

Actually quite a good way to remember xD

[rain spindle]

Im not taking iron pipes. I know what i want

[hard ivy]

bro found gold and keeps digging for lead

[rain spindle]

Yes i will play this game

[ornate saffron]

It bothers me that quick search is buried in a menu for consol

[quick barn]

I wish console has the "search" bar I could do math in.

[ornate saffron]

I disagree with your choice but I support it

[leaden turret]

points at the 🧮 on your 📱

[rain spindle]

Iron pipes are great but i dont need them yet

[ornate saffron]

Its does. The quick search is buried in a menu. You can do math in it

[kind jewel]

UNder clocking too

[rain spindle]

I need to automate my reinforced plates

[quick barn]

Yeah, but that's on the phone.
I have a keyboard on my controller already.... Game doesn't let me use the hot at with those keys either.

[ornate saffron]

Less power. Easy math.

[quick barn]

For the satisfaction of being efficient

[hard ivy]

yeah, idk either. all of my machines either run at 100 or 250%. I don't need anything else

except miners, those are at 150 or 200 sometimes

[rain spindle]

Some of these alternate recipes are completely pointless no?

Using stuff i dont even have unlocked yet for… cables

[hard ivy]

all are the best because they all give you shards

[ornate saffron]

They all give you the same product. Just diffrent quantities. Purple gives most

[rain spindle]

Man now iron wire

[kind jewel]

I try and save my slugs until I get somerloops unlocked to be able to get twice as many

[ornate saffron]

Night time is bug time. Easier to see them.

[quick barn]

I have like 150 in my depot from that. I don't even pick up slugs anymore

[ornate saffron]

No there is a finite amount. But there is over 1000

[quick barn]

I also only really overclock miners

[ornate saffron]

Miners and fuel generators for me

In the mam. There is a vehicle designed for that

There is many great mobility options

[leaden turret]

🏭 🏃‍♀️ 🏭

🏭 🌲 🌲 🌲 🌲 🌲 🏭

futurama tubes

[ornate saffron]

It sucks and blows you through the tubes to your destination

[rain spindle]

Oh screw you game

[leaden turret]

[korg voice] [redacted because #rules]

[rain spindle]

It gave me steel screws but not cast😐

[hard ivy]

why do you even want cast screws when you're already at steel lol

[leaden turret]

more useful in the long run because ratio of resources.

less useful in the short term early game

[rain spindle]

To automate reinforced iron plate factory

Im not building more constructors just for iron rods

[white dawn]

🏭 🏃‍♂️‍➡️ 🏃‍♀️ 🏭

🏭 ⬛ 🏃‍♂️‍➡️ 🏃‍♀️ ⬛ 🏭

🏭 ⬛ 💥 💥 ⬛ 🏭

[hard ivy]

stiched plates + iron wire = less iron cost, less machines, less power than default plates + cast screws

[leaden turret]

needs 🏃‍♀️‍➡️ , pioneer is female

[rain spindle]

I dont have any alt constructor recipes lol

Cast screws is fastest way to automate the factory

[leaden turret]

@open bone hypertube newton's cradle desk toy, maybe?

[leaden turret]

[insert joke about hot topic here]

-# going to hot topic with your factory to get alt recipes

[ornate saffron]

You gotta build the entire tube from point a to b

[leaden turret]

unless doing

slugs don't respawn

[silk ocean]

Kinda more like

[rain spindle]

Yeah some of these alternate recipes recipes are actually useless like when are you ever going to use rigor motors

[hard ivy]

you can take them out anytime

[rain spindle]

The default recipe is much more efficient no?

[ornate saffron]

Power shards are forever. They don't run out. You can remove and put back in

[hard ivy]

yeah, rigor motor is one of those recipes I'll never use

[sharp basin]

I wanted to dupe stuff, I did, then went back to a save I did before duping. Turns out you miss the voice lines if you dupe the alien artifacts. But I’m unsure: you got voice lines with BOTH Somersloops and Mercer Spheres or just Somersloops?

[mortal ginkgo]

you can get double amount of powershards from slugs when you are using a in the constructor that is making them.

however for a regular folk there is more than enough slugs.

[rain spindle]

Iron wire again?!?!

[hard ivy]

I don't exactly understand the triggers, but yeah, it checks for both

[rain spindle]

You wont stop me game

[mortal ginkgo]

Iron wire is a very kinky and naughty recipe.

You should take it.

[hard ivy]

just take it atp lol

[rain spindle]

Ive gone this far i refuse to change

Out of spite

Ill just find another hard drive when i want iron wire

[hard ivy]

sunk cost fallacy

[mortal ginkgo]

Bro thinks that recipe belongs to an annoying Elden Ring boss.

Bro is out of control. Bro is unhinged.

[ornate saffron]

Its the next one. I believe.

To be clear I also believe in Bigfoot, the lochnass monster and aliens

[ornate saffron]

Belongs to a Canada Goose aka A Cobra Chicken

[rain spindle]

…. You wont believe what i got for the third damn time

[fluid sapphire]

iron wire?

just accept your fate, iron wire is great

[hard ivy]

atp I suggest making sure that you don't have CS already lol

[rain spindle]

I know it is but i need cast screws rn

[rain spindle]

I checked already dw

I dont have any alt recipes for constructors

[hard ivy]

I got through (almost) the entire game like 3 times without ever taking cast screws and I couldn't be happier

[rain spindle]

Im sure im passing up alot of good stuff i dont have unlocked yet (or haven’t automated)

Like ai limiters

[fluid sapphire]

wym

[jovial karma]

Which is ur guys favourite tape?

[rain spindle]

FINALLLYYYYY

[jovial karma]

YES

[rain spindle]

CAST SCREWS

SCREW YOU GAME I ALWAYS GET WHAT I WANT

[fluid sapphire]

every gambler always stops right before their big win, except for this one

[hard ivy]

CONGRATULATIONS ON WASTING A DRIVE!!!

[sharp basin]

Yeah, won’t dupe those 2. Just slugs/power shards/coupons. May be hard drives, not sure yet. Exploring crash sites is cool.

Picking up hard drives does not give ADA voice lines?

[hard ivy]

it does, but they're just "quips"

[mystic oriole]

That would be betamax

[azure reef]

assuming i cant get the full 1200/min from a max pure node and mk5 belts

[haughty torrent]

I feel like the far end game of this game is just rebuilding all of your factories and infrastructure to try to optimise everything and get complete 100% efficiency map wide.

[hard ivy]

no?

for you, maybe

[mystic oriole]

you can do that after you complete the objective

[fluid sapphire]

just build optimized stuff in the first place

[haughty torrent]

What else would there really be to do once you complete all the given objectives?

[hard ivy]

building a huge-ass nuclear plant? 500 Mp/min? idk

I really don't care for machine efficiency

[mystic oriole]

yes, big nuclear plant, because size matters.

[unborn moss]

There is no end game. You just exploit the planet more.

[fluid sapphire]

what else is there to do in minecraft once you beat the elder dragon

[sharp basin]

Enough for me not to dupe them. Nop, I like duping in some games, but story in this game is COOL. I’ll just dupe some slugs/power shards and that’s it. At least I’ll use some impure nodes that I didn’t intend to. Will change the way I plan my factories placement.

[fluid sapphire]

silly to not use impure nodes anyway, its just resources sitting there waiting to be exploited

[quick hound]

how do you dupe items and can you do it on ps5?

[quick hound]

^

[fluid sapphire]

something-something factory carts, probably, and you can surely find dozens of videos on youtube demonstrating it

[hard ivy]

most fixed by now

[fluid sapphire]

aah

[sharp basin]

PM

[hard ivy]

you can just use AGS if you want something for free

[fluid sapphire]

i didnt even dupe stuff and i have duped stuff

[hard ivy]

yeah, I have duped some things accidentally in the past

[fluid sapphire]

i didnt do anything, accident or not, i am referring to a fix after 1.1 that reset sloops/sphere pickups

free extras

[hard ivy]

I usually start a new world when a new version drops so I didn't experience that

but I did get a dupe glitch a few times without even trying to

[little shale]

Should I use a pump for my fluids if it must travel up only slightly, or would that not help at all?

[fluid sapphire]

heh i would never finish the game if i did that, 1 year+ still on my first save

[fluid sapphire]

how many meters is slightly, machines provide 10m iirc

[hard ivy]

try without first, add later if needed

[little shale]

I actually don’t know. I am thinking of bringing the fluid all the way to my base from oil fields at ground level

[reef basin]

but not what's good

[fluid sapphire]

why bother when you could process locally

[little shale]

Might be a bad idea

Because I have around 7 products that I constantly need

So I figured I should either do 1 pipe than make 7 conveyor belts over like 2 km

[fluid sapphire]

need for what

[white dawn]

Why not just make that stuff closer to the oil, btw?

[silk ocean]

Are there any plans for precip in future? rain, snow, etc

Lightning and so forth

[harsh crystal]

whats temp purity?

[little shale]

Phase 3, tiers 5, 6

[white dawn]

Also: one nice thing about unlocking oil is that you're just 200 plastic away from also unlocking trains. If you do need to transport 7 materials from A to B, trains are mostly an ideal solution. (Their main drawback is the nontrivial amount of infrastructure you need to put in to build it out, but that pays dividents in the end)

[white dawn]

They do want to add rain back in, though I don't think they've confirmed any timelines for that. They've said "no" to snow in the past due to the difficulty (mostly performancewise, I think) of making it look at all decent (or at least how they'd want to do it)

[reef basin]

multiple nodes

[little shale]

Oh never thought of trains. Do they have physical collision?

[fickle walrus]

i cant hear the ada for some reason

[white dawn]

See https://archive.satisfactory.video/topics/environment/weather-systems/ for statements about weather, though. :)

[hard ivy]

yes?

[fickle walrus]

i cant hear the ada for some reason little help?

[reef basin]

yes

[silk ocean]

Yea I can imagine snow is hard

[little shale]

Gives the impression they can derail and crash

[white dawn]

There's a learning curve, for sure. It's nontrivial but well worth your time.

[hard ivy]

they can

[white dawn]

If you have just a single train on a bit of track, then there's no problems, of course, but there are signals which allow you to run multiple trains on the same bits of rail (without crashing, derailing, etc), which is when trains really start to pay off

[silk ocean]

Trains can definitely crash xD

Engines and cars strewn all over the landscape

[little shale]

OK I’ll check it out thanks

[white dawn]

Shoutout to pre-Update-5 setups from lazy people (like myself) which took advantage of non-crashing trains. :D

"Oh no, they're about to..." fwip "... nevermind."

[fickle walrus]

i cant hear the ada for some reason

[silk ocean]

Volume settings?

[fickle walrus]

nope

i hear everything else

[silk ocean]

Advanced section where you can specify per source

[honest sleet]

covering up a lake to use as my steel plant

[compact nest]

H E ll o

[whole drum]

Do you see the subtitles?

[fickle oriole]

can you run hypertubes along a ceiling? I want to run them underneath the RR tracks

[stuck escarp]

im naming my minecraft tools after satisfactory things and i cant think of stuff to name my silk touch pickaxe and my boots

[stray field]

How do u get the ficsit calculator thing?

And where to download mods from on console?

[stuck escarp]

so far ive got
Sword: Xeno basher
Fortune pickaxe: Mk.3 Miner
Axe: Chainsaw
Shovel: Portable Miner
Box: Rebar Gun
Helmet: Gas Mask
Chestplate: Hazmat Suit
Leggings: Blade Runners

does anyone have any ideas for the silk touch pickaxe and the boots

[stuck escarp]

satisfactory-calculator.com

[stuck escarp]

i dont think you can get mods on console

[primal obsidian]

satisfactory modeler is good to

[stuck escarp]

yeah

altho i found the modeler a bit clunky to use at first but that might just be cus i didnt know what i was doing and couldnt be bothered to learn it

[primal obsidian]

i need to build a train lin ebetween 2 places but the 2nd place isnt bui8lt yet should i build the line to there now and then the factory or build the factory and then connect

[hard ivy]

no, not too. SCIM is an absolutely dogshit calculator

[stuck escarp]

and if you are on console you cant get it anyway cus its only on steam i thinks

[stuck escarp]

it works for what i need to do

in what way is it bad

its good for getting a nice overview of all the items in and out

and the map is useful

it just struggles doing stuff that its not designed to do like planning whole factory floors down to each machine

[primal obsidian]

ill just build the train line there

[stuck escarp]

depends how certain you are about the location of the second place

and how confident you are with making train lines

[primal obsidian]

uhh like pretty sure im gonna build it ober the lake

[white dawn]

The map viewer/editor on there, yes, is A+. The calculator/solver on there is quite poor compared to the other available options, though. For a solver/calculator I'll generally recommend https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production. For planning, a lot of folks like Satisfactory Modeller (available on steam) but that's a different sort of app

[hard ivy]

1. makes mistakes
2. incapable of calculating certain recipe chains
3. riddled with ads
4. chooses recipes based on an internal list, not any useful metrics
5. only capable of using 1 recipe per item

[primal obsidian]

first time building train line, gonna be a loop with a train picking stuff up and dropping it off at one central factory

[white dawn]

(To be fair, I think sftools has ads too, yeah? :) Guess not; I'm too used to adblockers.

[stuck escarp]

yeah i dont use the calculator for much other than just the basic flow chart stuff in terms of production stuff

[white dawn]

Oh, huh, thought that it did. (I, uh, might use adblockers)

[stuck escarp]

yeah i didnt even know scim had ads i just use an adblocker

[whole drum]

Youtube has been the most successful promoter of adblock in the world. Someone should write them a thank-you letter.

[primal obsidian]

i think i should connect the train lines last then

wait nvm trains transport power i need one

rails i meant

if i have a train with 2 engines one on either side it can just be a line instead of a loop right

like i dont have to connect the final station to the 1st one

[hard ivy]

as long as you don't plan on having many trains on that rail, yes

[primal obsidian]

yeah just one

wont need any signals either right

[hard ivy]

for 1 train? no signals needed

[wicked nacelle]

just make sure your stations are pointing away from each other

curved side pointed away from each other

[fickle oriole]

the key thing is what @wicked nacelle said - have them pointing away. So if you want a single line between A and B, build station A with its arrow pointing away from B, build B with its pointer pointing away from A. then have a train with 2 locomotives. Put it down somewhere. Say it goes to A first. When it "pulls in" to A, it will load/unload (because the arrow is pointing the direction it is going). Then it will reverse direction and head to B, when it pulls in to B it will load/unload.

speaking of rails - how wide are rail cars? To lay double-tracked line, how far apart should the rails be?

[wicked nacelle]

yeah the train engine that's at the front of the "forward" direction has to line up with "forward" on the station you tell it to dock at

[primal obsidian]

theres gonna be 3 stations so what about the middle, it stays the direction the first station was

[wicked nacelle]

most people say you can center them on touching foundations -- I like a bit wider because I've had oddities around curves like that

[wicked nacelle]

whichever way the train is going when its that station's turn in the autopilot order

[primal obsidian]

and round side is the exit side right

[reef basin]

if you don't count the tower "ad" on top (which I don't think is blocked by ad blockers), Tools don't have any ads, they run purely on donations (and money from my pocket ofc)

[wicked nacelle]

the round side is the way the driving engine must be facing -- a train can then exit either direction depending on train layout and autopilot station order

[primal obsidian]

oh ok thanks

[gentle storm]

does anybody wona start a new game?(can't use vc)

[primal obsidian]

should be easy enough

[tall lantern]

#1201555265942724758

[primal obsidian]

it will go A to B to C and then back to A and repeat while unloading everything at C

[dusky aspen]

Do i need smart plating after phase 2?

[primal obsidian]

this is for RCU

[wicked nacelle]

every elevator part is used in subsequent elevator parts -- and in MUCH larger numbers

[primal obsidian]

i think so for the space parts

[dusky aspen]

K thanks

[wicked nacelle]

also every space elevator part except for one (in late game) is only used for space elevators

[fickle oriole]

see https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Space_Elevator#Total_number_of_parts_needed - it tells you how many of which part you'll need in each phase. So e.g. for smart plating, you'll need 1000 in phase 2, 1000 in 3, 1250 in 4, etc.

[dusky aspen]

Ty

[wicked nacelle]

have you researched somersloops yet? They're AMAZING for making elevator parts

[dusky aspen]

I need more frames:/ they are PAIN to get

[wicked nacelle]

do you have bladerunners yet?

[dusky aspen]

Not frames. SAM

[dusky aspen]

?

[wicked nacelle]

oh gosh

have you built a MAM?

[dusky aspen]

Yes

[wicked nacelle]

in the quartz tree is one of the most important items in the game -- especially early on

but it needs frames 😕

[dusky aspen]

I now use frames for elevator:/

[wicked nacelle]

anyhow as soon as you reasonably can research and build yourself a pair of blade runners

it makes ALL of the game MUCH easier

[dusky aspen]

K

[gentle storm]

anybody got an tips for the start of the game im new

[dusky aspen]

I am waiting for 500 framework's now

[dusky aspen]

Take everything you see.

[wicked nacelle]

well then go out and find some quartz while you wait so you can reserach it 🙂

[dusky aspen]

Try not to have spaghetti

[gentle storm]

?

[turbid merlin]

Why research when you can get them for free

[dusky aspen]

Try to have an organised factory and not have 100 belts everywhere

[white dawn]

Yeah, I was just misremembering; I'd thought I'd heard someone complaining about ads in the past but it must have been for SCIM

[wicked nacelle]

SCIM ads are miserable especially on mobile

[gentle storm]

im always out of fuel for my bio burners

[wicked nacelle]

are you using solid biofuel?

[gentle storm]

no like crazy start of game

[wicked nacelle]

you unlock solid biofuel pretty fast

[dusky aspen]

Try to get to phase 2 and unlock coal as fast as possible

[wicked nacelle]

one or two trips through a forest with a chainsaw should be all the fuel you need to get to coal

[gentle storm]

how to get a chain saw?

[wicked nacelle]

it's a HUB unlock

[reef basin]

Tools will never have ads as long as I own them 🙂

[dusky aspen]

The pink forest is better (there are cats if you have arachnophobia mode)

[whole drum]

• Use foundations judiciously
• Don't be afraid to build vertically once you have the conveyor lifts
• Buffer your outputs with storage containers
• Keep the throughput rates of your miners/belts/production in mind as you start building more advanced materials
• You can semi-automate bio burners by setting them up in an array that feeds from storage boxes that run into constructors

[wicked nacelle]

#1 and #3 are both bad advice, imho

[gentle storm]

can anybody show me the basics

[reef basin]

ignore this discord and youtube, start the game and play through the game on your own. Listen to the ingame tutorial and experiment, only come here if you're trully stuck on a problem and have tried everything you can think of

[wicked nacelle]

no such thing as too much foundation and buffering outputs leads to hiding problems downstream

[reef basin]

I'd recommend against that, see above

[dusky aspen]

Why?

[gentle storm]

fair still....

i jsut wana luarn a bit about the gaem

[wicked nacelle]

because of what I said after

[wicked nacelle]

you learn by making mistakes 🙂 Just follow the unlocks in the HUB and MAM and it will guide you through the game

[whole drum]

The main reason I buffer outputs is two-fold:

1. I like to have a place to gather stuff before I have DDs online
2. It lets me re-build more easily if I need to

[reef basin]

1. is "central storage", not buffering

and as for 2., rebuilding is not recommended

[gentle storm]

im start a new game

[wicked nacelle]

sure, having a pool to build out of is good-- but buffers shouldn't be inline with your production flow.

[whole drum]

In the very early stages, 1 is both

[reef basin]

shouldn't be

[hard ivy]

Putting buffers in the middle of production is a terrible idea. Putting buffers at the end of production is a great idea

[fickle oriole]

can a train freight platform be shared across stations? If I build (station A, facing left)(platforms B, C)(station D, facing right), can platforms B and C be used by both A and D?

[wicked nacelle]

absolutely

[gentle storm]

uggg i wish i had somewon to play with

[wicked nacelle]

if you want ABCB autopilot you put a station facing outwards on both ends of a row of freight platforms

<SFFS> for example < is facing S is station F is freight

you do pay a power fee for every station you have, but it's really not that much

[fickle oriole]

got it, thanks. just as a design tip, how many cars do you usually put on your trains? I've been playing around between 1 and 4, not sure where the sweet spot is

[gentle storm]

wait so i should't have storge containers in the mid of things like smelters and crafters?

[shy mulch]

You CAN, but there's really no reason to

[whole drum]

Yeah, this is closer to what I was suggesting too, but I can see why people may not have read it that way

[wicked nacelle]

the problem is if you're feeding other stuff with buffered source you may overconsume and not realize it until much muhc later -- when that problem has snowballed down your whole production line.

but if you just smart split off some for building use/dimensional depot -- that's a great idea

[gentle storm]

when you post in finding a greops how fast would you say (find a grop)

iugg i suck at speeling

[wicked nacelle]

sometimes never dude. And asking about it doesn't make it go faster.

[whole drum]

It varies

[reef basin]

not really, why would that help in any way?

[gentle storm]

sry

[reef basin]

for your first game I'd recommend solo play

[gentle storm]

i tryed got stuck

[wicked nacelle]

honestly if you want to play with people go to THEIR games. There's always a billion people saying "come join MY game"

[reef basin]

then tell us what the problem is so we can help you

[whole drum]

I actually agree with this a lot. I think it's okay to ask for advice if you need it, but experience really is the best teacher here.

[gentle storm]

lol

umm i don't know i just never had enofgh anything lol

[reef basin]

then make more of everything 🙂

[whole drum]

Is this your first automation game?

[reef basin]

the game is about scaling up

[gentle storm]

kinda

[whole drum]

This game is 80% automation, 20% open world survival-craft. Have you played Factorio or similar before?

[gentle storm]

nope

[whole drum]

Okay, so the most basic element of early gameplay is that you will have to mind/build stuff yourself until you have the resources to build machines to build it for you. Then you use those machines to build enough materials to build even more machines, and it scales up the more you build. It also gets easier to build machines as you go.

[gentle storm]

ah

[whole drum]

If you focus on advancing your HUB tiers, it acts like a soft tutorial on this for the most part

[wicked nacelle]

but don't ignore the MAM unlocks as there's TONS of quality of life improvements in there that make doing the HUB stuff easier

build some factory and then while it's producing a bunch of stuff go explore for MAM unlocks

[whole drum]

Yeah the MAM is OP and acts as parelell progression

[wicked nacelle]

then come back and use what built while you were exploring to build more factory stuff.. repeat

when you do a HUB unlock pay attention to what new buildings/tech you get

[gentle storm]

k

[ornate saffron]

put pickles on pizza

[wicked nacelle]

when you have specific questions about things, this is a great place to ask if it's not in the wiki

YAY MK3 BELTS UNLOCKED!!!

[ornate saffron]

now speed to mk4

[wicked nacelle]

Man I was intentionally doing this playthrough to not hate mk2 belts and try to make enough RP... no I failed miserably

[ornate saffron]

I try to love all belts. ....

i do wish i could swkin the mk6 though. makes some builds look silly

[wicked nacelle]

I agree on the mk6 -- also the build animation speed is brutal when you're trying to make sure things like blueprints are conencted properly

[lethal geyser]

Why are mk3 belts 100x easier to make than mk2😭

[wicked nacelle]

mk2 and 4 are notoriously annoying

[lethal geyser]

What does mk4 need?

[wicked nacelle]

encased beams

so like... what? 4x the beams as mk3?

[ornate saffron]

limestone makes it faster lol

[reef basin]

... because people don't automate enough of the materials they need

[lethal geyser]

They aint that bad to make alot of em, just need alot of concrete and steel beams

[ornate saffron]

I honestly speed run to mk5

[wicked nacelle]

literally true for everything... nothing in this game is "hard" per se

[lethal geyser]

Nuclear is hard

[lethal geyser]

What do they need

[coral glacier]

Concrete is the best building material in Satisfactory

[lethal geyser]

Nah screws better

[coral glacier]

Show me a build made of screws

[lethal geyser]

Screws

[gentle storm]

lol why are portablr miners not bad?

[ornate saffron]

aluminum'

[whole drum]

That's weird. I don't find Mk2 that hard at all.

[lethal geyser]

I haven't got that far, ive only got to phase 3

[reef basin]

wdym?

[coral glacier]

Nuclear isn't hard

[gentle storm]

there production rate is good

[coral glacier]

Just takes a bit more planning

Cute cat in your pfp, Pizza :D

[lethal geyser]

No its horrible

[whole drum]

Portable miners will get replaced with mining machines that output to a belt instead of you having to hand collect from them at regular intervals to avoid letting them get full

[gentle storm]

but for how chesp they are?

[wicked nacelle]

You just run one input to it at a time until you’re done like everything else. It just needs a higher number of repetitions.

[lethal geyser]

They suck just build miners mk1

[reef basin]

they can't be used for automatic production though

[gentle storm]

true

[wicked nacelle]

But you can run a LOT of automation off them by filling containers. You can put 100 on a single ore node and get unlimited production rate early

You just have to make your rounds.

[lethal geyser]

No not unlimited production

You still got a limit of 60 or 120 per minute

[wicked nacelle]

Nearly unlimited especially compared to mk1 miners

[wicked nacelle]

??? Per miner but no miner limit

[whole drum]

There are also some nodes that are blocked by boulders that you can't put a miner on until you clear the rock, but portables can usually still mine off them. Can be useful for Cat/Quartz in certain places early on.

[lethal geyser]

Not per miner

[coral glacier]

True. Having to manually collect something instead of having it automatically collected in a storage container takes a lot more work when even advancing the hab when starting out a new playthrough.

[lethal geyser]

For the belts

[wicked nacelle]

Technically there is but not realistically

[wicked nacelle]

You can fill an arbitrary number of containers to have an arbitrary number of belts

[lethal geyser]

You'll still be very limited

[wicked nacelle]

You have to instance your production to fit your belts but no instance limit

[lethal geyser]

No where near unlimited

[coral glacier]

Power?

:)

[wicked nacelle]

Technically it’s finite but it’s a HUGE potential
Multiplier one why you can do with a mk1 miner

[whole drum]

Yeah, there's a brief window in the tech progression where hand-jamming lets you get a lot more production done than automation does, but this quickly falls out as you get your automation online

[lethal geyser]

Its alot less efficient than using a mk1 miner

[coral glacier]

Sam sure is useful when you need more of something when all the nodes of something is being used.

[wicked nacelle]

For sure but someone said the baby miners were bad. I’m pointing out they can be incredibly powerful. Also for remote nodes of stuff you don’t need for automation yet like sulfur or Sam or quartz. Put a ton down and then come back in 15 minutes. No power connection required

[lethal geyser]

Its still way less efficient than putting down a mk1 miner and having it automated

[wicked nacelle]

“Efficient” without context is a meaningless term that gets thrown around a lot here.

[coral glacier]

I'd prefer a constant supply from nodes ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wicked nacelle]

Baby miners are also great for filling manifold systems quickly. Like stabilizing coal power.

[wicked nacelle]

When you disregard the crap production rates early game yeah that sounds amazing. But it’s not in a vacuum.

[coral glacier]

I don't get how you mean, ?

[lethal geyser]

You'll get less of what you're making per minute and you'll have less time to do actually important things if you have 10 portable miners on each node and have to manually transport the raw ore to a container its just a ton of back and fourth that in the end gets nothing important done

[wicked nacelle]

I think you overstate how long it takes to walk 10m to some containers. Anyhow I’m not really suggesting this. It started out with someone making an overly broad statement and me providing a counter example

[whole drum]

Having a bunch of p-miners will give more ore/m than a mk1 miner, but as you say, it's a lot more hassle, and time is just as much a resource to manage as anything else.

[wicked nacelle]

That’s said you can have a mk1 and pminers on the same node

[lethal geyser]

Its not just 10m if you do it for every ore it becomes alot of unnecessary back and forth

[lethal geyser]

In the end automating everything and some over clocking will be more efficient

[wicked nacelle]

You have to walk around to get stuff anyhow early gam so when you’re there you can snag 30 miners of ore and toss in a container or two and have a LOT more stuff built for next time you come back. Anyhow again I don’t do this just saying portable miners are absolutely powerful in their own way. I bet if there were a speed run they would be used.

[whole drum]

In the end I just don't like the back and forth on it. You can "set it and forget it" with automation.

[wicked nacelle]

You keep saying that word but but its meaningless without specifying the context

[lethal geyser]

Yeah you can do that and go explore for more things that'll help with future production

[lethal geyser]

I did but I guess you just ignored it

[wicked nacelle]

Efficiency is something that exists with regards to a resource of some sort and there are lots of conflicting desires for different resources and they are mutually exclusive

There is no “more efficient”

[coral glacier]

So mk6 isn't more efficient than a mk1 belt?
:)

[reef basin]

depends on your definition of "efficiency"

[lethal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-brain-brain-getting-smaller-brain-is-shrinking-brain-meme-gif-3988074529138874917

[coral glacier]

Me want ore more, and move fast

[plain gate]

in terms of work as energy input, both are infinitely efficient

[coral glacier]

Me hungry for higher material production rate.

[coral glacier]

Whaet?

[plain gate]

belts don't take any power to operate

:p

[coral glacier]

[wicked nacelle]

One of the weird oddities
Of this game. You want liquids to go up? Item and power cost. You want items to go up? MAGIC!!!

[eager pilot]

Dumb question, I keep hitting this node so it will explode so I can put a miner in it but no luck, any ideas?

[coral glacier]

The last thing i want is for the devs to add a hamster wheel to every end of a conveyor and lift to move items along. 🤣

[lethal geyser]

How many time you hit it?

[plain gate]

u need to bomb it

[wicked nacelle]

Make sure you’re hitting the center spike thingy

[eager pilot]

Enough to get two stacks of limestone

[eager pilot]

Did that a few times

[wicked nacelle]

Oh yeah some of them have boulders on them

[plain gate]

oh what node? can u send pic of it in ss

[lethal geyser]

Show a ss

[wicked nacelle]

Are you hitting the spike in the middle?

[eager pilot]

There were two spikes to hit, didn’t see that right away

[wicked nacelle]

Two??? That’s… I’ve never seen that

[lethal geyser]

Show a ss of the full node

[lethal geyser]

Its limestone its got more than 1

[wicked nacelle]

Well whatever 🙂 looks like you figured it out

[coral glacier]

C o n c r e t e

[wicked nacelle]

And yeah it’s never more than like 12 series of hits to clear it out when it’s that style of block

[gleaming moon]

i love magic 😍 😍

[lethal geyser]

Its not just in the middle

[wicked nacelle]

I wish hard mode existed and for example belts had power cost.

[coral glacier]

Magic is lame, i prefer stuff that makes sense

[gleaming moon]

yeah

[hard ivy]

1.2 is allegedly bringing in a new game mode. You might just get your wish

[coral glacier]

[gleaming moon]

at least make a mod

[coral glacier]

Why must you wish for pain, xaxxon.

[wicked nacelle]

I just want a new game + mode in vanilla

[gleaming moon]

satisfactory too ez

[coral glacier]

[lethal geyser]

Satisfactory plus

[hard ivy]

Play SF+ then

[wicked nacelle]

Not that much +

[coral glacier]

Satisfactory 2

[lethal geyser]

Satisfactory++++

[gleaming moon]

good idea

whats the premise of the (what i assume) is the mod

[lethal geyser]

Satisfactory+ platinum premium edition

[hard ivy]

With 1000x phase and milestone costs kekw

[ornate saffron]

cant you just use advanced options to start with everytrhing unlocked?

[wicked nacelle]

Everything takes like 3x more steps to accomplish and apparently power is a huge obstacle

[hard ivy]

And everything takes screws

[wicked nacelle]

Right but new game + modes usually also change the game rules as well

[coral glacier]

[gleaming moon]

zamn

[reef basin]

[whole drum]

There is a hard mode mod. I don't know what all it offers tho.

[ornate saffron]

it varies a lot. The only thing that comes to mind for new game pplus for me is Chrono Trigger. .... but im old lol

[wicked nacelle]

I don’t think there is without mods.

[coral glacier]

Red Head Goku?

[whole drum]

The OG

[coral glacier]

Samurai Red Head Goku

🤣

[ornate saffron]

apperently i only have enough copper sheets sgoing to refineries to sustain 60 refineries being droped quickly lol

[wicked nacelle]

Oh you mean depots?

That was confusing.

I find my limitation with sheets is pulling large pipe blueprints on autoconnect like 16 pipes at a time.

[quick hound]

it’s like eating potato chips but the metal version

[rough rock]

are clipping/overlapping rails okay or is it not considered as connected

[hard ivy]

If rails hitboxes overlap, they're considered "crossing"

[coral glacier]

Clip and overlap everything, compactness calls to be.

[hard ivy]

Note that I said hitboxes, because they don't have the same dimensions as the model. The hitboxes are wider and shorter

[wicked nacelle]

Sort of. Path signals are SUPER finicky about how close they have to be

You can make two rails that touch but a path signal will happily crash trains there

[rough rock]

which means trains will transition without a problem

[hard ivy]

I'd say that those rails likely weren't touching. At least not hitboxes

[wicked nacelle]

The only guaranteed safe way for path signals to work is to have the crossing rail be on a foundation

[hard ivy]

Crossing ≠ connected

[wicked nacelle]

Nah. I’ve dealt with this literally 100 times being sloppy with rail. I’ll make an example in a bit

[rough rock]

ffs

how is it possible to blueprint intersections then

[hard ivy]

It's possible in a mk3 I think

[somber monolith]

Which way is the correct direction for block signals

[wicked nacelle]

Rail intersections don’t fit in blueprint designers very well. I usually make them in a. Couple parts.

[somber monolith]

The 2 circles facing you or the square

[wicked nacelle]

He train needs to approach the side with two displays. The back side has 1 display

[granite pendant]

i think you can manage in a mk.2 if your 4-way is small

[hard ivy]

Doesn't the ghost have an arrow that shows which way the train is allowed to go

[somber monolith]

Oh yeah it’s camouflaged in with the red track

[rough rock]

that's a major letdown ngl

how come they give you trains but don't make it possible to blueprint intersections, bit of a time loss

[coral glacier]

I like how you can make Excited Photonic Matter from thin air 🤣

[wicked nacelle]

They don’t take that long to build and you don’t need to lay down like 50 at a time.

[wicked nacelle]

It takes power.

[rough rock]

i like to have my stuff premade you see

[coral glacier]

[wicked nacelle]

E=mc^2

[reef basin]

you kinda want intersections tailored to specific needs of that junction anyway

[whole drum]

Not if you build high enough

[reef basin]

height has nothing to do with it

[somber monolith]

Does having a train engine going forward and a train engine on the back double power consumption?

[whole drum]

Skytrains could use standardized intersections easy enough

[wicked nacelle]

Sort of. It doubles MAX power consumption.

[somber monolith]

So does it use double power usage?

[wicked nacelle]

But once a train is up to speed power consumption goes down so max lasts less time

[wicked nacelle]

It doesn’t double your kWh no. Just max kw.

It spikes higher but then drops down faster.

[somber monolith]

If I’m making around 20-30 diffrent items in one area how do I transport them by train do I have to build 20-30 different stations

[reef basin]

I mean "power usage" is in MW. MWh is energy usage

[wicked nacelle]

You’d likely want that many freight platforms. Sharing freight platforms among multiple item types is much more complicated

You don’t need a full station per item type though necessarily.

You could make an 8 car train where each car is a different item type.

[rough rock]

spamming a premade + intersection is much easier than making specific intersections every time my train takes a turn

but i get it

[wicked nacelle]

It’s not “turns” it’s junctions

[rough rock]

yeah junctions then

[wicked nacelle]

You shouldn’t have a ton of junctions — that causes traffic jams.

I get you want things premade and you can’t do that. But if you’d be spamming it then you’re likely doing it wrong

[rough rock]

so you're saying i should make separate networks of railing for my trains to path to instead of using one large network

[somber monolith]

Why isn’t my intersection working #screenshots message

[wicked nacelle]

One large network is great. But you still need to be judicial with junctions.

[reef basin]

why are you not posting in #1038092680493801533 ? 🙂

[wicked nacelle]

But ideally you’re building one or two junctions per factory that you build so the % of time lost to not having a single blueprint should be minimal. You may have lots of rail splits and merges but not crossovers.

[mortal ginkgo]

put signals slightly away from the junction

check the colors as you are placing signals

[somber monolith]

Ontop of this? Or delete what’s already there

[wicked nacelle]

You have the “signal on rail split” bug. Move your signals back off the rail splits a bit

[mortal ginkgo]

delete the signals, put the new ones slightly away from the junction

[somber monolith]

I think that fixed it

[wicked nacelle]

When you post rail screenshots make sure you’re holding a signal so we can see rail colors.

[mortal ginkgo]

if you see a "same color despite the signal" section, thats the problem

[wicked nacelle]

It’s a well known rail build bug

[rough rock]

well of course, i'm imagining multiple "main roads" and a junction to branch off you see? It's just a pain for me personally to always make the junctions

[wicked nacelle]

Rail color should always change on either side of a signal so if it doesn’t…. What limestone said

[wicked nacelle]

Like a tic tac toe board. That’s 4 junctions though. You’ve spent more time complaining than they would take 🙂

[rough rock]

hahaha i apologize for my stubborness

[whole drum]

Y'all overthink and overcomplicate this. Just belt stuff everywhere.

[wicked nacelle]

And like I said just build it in a couple blueprints and then maybe you make a few connecting rails between. Or download a premade oversized blueprint or get a larger blueprint designer mod

Unless you’re on console but that’s your fault if you are

[autumn root]

Hola

ALGUIEN PARA UNA PARTIDA?

[wicked nacelle]

Hoe-law

[reef basin]

english only server #rules

[autumn root]

ooooh shit brou

[somber monolith]

Do you know how I fix the top right block signal? #screenshots message

[autumn root]

Do you have a server for Spanish speakers?

[wicked nacelle]

Dead ends are always a signal error. Just loop the track back to itself at the end if you care. Or just don’t care

[reef basin]

man, post it in #1038092680493801533

#screenshots isn't made for this

[wicked nacelle]

I’m not familiar with one. We have lots of people with limited English skills here though and we try to help as best we can

[high lintel]

hey anyone thats good at design willing to hop on my world and help me make my main factory better than it currently looks

[wicked nacelle]

Post here https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1201555265942724758 but don’t get your hopes up. Everyone wants other people to come
To THEIR server but no one wants to go to someone else’s

You can also post in the architecture channel for advice

[high lintel]

i did put a post for it, just thought i would ask here too

[wicked nacelle]

It’s off topic here.

[whole drum]

If you post the same thing in too many channels, that is considered spam

[wicked nacelle]

Yeah in general if there’s a dedicated channel it’s because it gets spammy otherwise

[high lintel]

yea makes sense if you have everyone messageing in one channel then it gets alot quickly

theres no chance that you know anything about building do you?

[reef basin]

I personally wouldn't worry about nice, I'd just make it functional

[wicked nacelle]

Ask in the architectural channel
Unless you have a very specific wuestion about something

[high lintel]

it is functional i dust dont like how it looks as a floating box, i did message there

[wicked nacelle]

Now it’s just time to be patient.

[high lintel]

and get messaged by someone while im at work

sounds like whats gonna happen

[random garnet]

Why can’t console use train horns

[lethal geyser]

At what time does the dlc come out tomorrow?

Wait wrong server

My bad😭😭😭

[mortal ginkgo]

mods has to ban you now 🙁

Sorry mate, thats the rule around here. 😭

[lethal geyser]

I THOUGHT I WAS IN THE HOI4 SERVER

I legit pressed the server

[mortal ginkgo]

SOMETIMES IT IS TOO LATE BROTHERMAN

[lethal geyser]

NOOOOOOOOO

[mortal ginkgo]

Well, you can still make amends.

50 Power Shards will do. Yes. Mmh.

[wicked nacelle]

I just realized how much my no nobelisk run is going to suck. So much ore locked behind boulders. There’s no animals that can be tricked into breaking them is there? And no glitches’for getting through them? Like dan I ragdoll through them?

Even if I could you can’t belt through them can you?

[icy jetty]

sigh. there's no 3m ramp and rn i need one

[wicked nacelle]

probably hvae to play games with post thingies

[icy jetty]

guess i can lower the first ramp but now i gotta do the whole thing over

[wicked nacelle]

you can make the ... shoot what are they called ... connect at any angle

the beams

you can't then put a foundation on them I don't think but you can probalby finagle something -- everything architectural about this game is about playing games with beams

I wish smelters just auto-smelted whatever you gave them

There's really no reason to have to choose

[icy jetty]

true

and assemblers for solid fuel

leaves and wood

require each to have their own assembler

[wicked nacelle]

I mean now that you can middle click and the recipe comes along it's not a big deal ... but with smelters where there's not even any thought process to what they'd ever be expected to do. a constructor can make different things with the same input

!wikisearch truck

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=truck

[wicked nacelle]

that's insane that you don't get trucks significantly before trains

[mortal ginkgo]

as someone who is actively using tractors at phase 2, they are more than enough

Trucks are really if you want to double down on the road business.

[granite pendant]

yeah but tractors look lame and trucks look not lame

[icy jetty]

the blue truck markers need to give more control. i need to be able to set the speed of each marker, as well as be able to nudge it

otherwise you basically need to drive perfectly

and i'm pretty sure they do record the speed you were going, which without the ability to edit, sucks.

[whole drum]

I honestly haven't found a need for trucks or tractors

[wicked nacelle]

I'm doing a no-trains game so I have to deal with them.

[icy jetty]

also realllly want cars to work in elevators, and for them to be able to use them autonomously

[wheat furnace]

hi guys, im new to satisfactory and wondering if anyone can explain, my power keeps instantly shutting down despite making more than enough power

[wicked nacelle]

you're not making more than enough power

[wheat furnace]

my capacity is 1425 and my max consumption is 993

[icy jetty]

and car elevators that can be set to go at 15, 30, 45 or higher degree angles would be great too

[wicked nacelle]

next time it pops post a screenshot of your power

[wicked nacelle]

Do you have hoverpack unlocked and equiped?

[wheat furnace]

yes

well the jetpack

i dont know if thats what you mean

[wicked nacelle]

no jetpack is fine. hoverpack is differnet

hoverpack sometimes has weird electrical interactions. jetpack doesn't

[icy jetty]

if it instantly turns off, that means the generator isn't getting the material it needs.

[wheat furnace]

i am using coal and they all are running at 100

[icy jetty]

is the water tank full?

[wicked nacelle]

that's why it's best if you post a screenshot when it flips

[icy jetty]

he's not getting water to them

[wheat furnace]

when they are disconnected and running without powering anything they are at 1425 but as soon as i connect it to the grid it doesnt do anywhere near that, i will show ss

[wicked nacelle]

there's not any known bugs with the power system just randomly tripping your breaker.

[wheat furnace]

i literally said they are all at 100%

the water and coal is fine

[wicked nacelle]

so SOMETHING is going wrong and it's very unlikely it's a bug. Your power graph will let us figure out waht it is

[wheat furnace]

im trying to send it

[wicked nacelle]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057

[icy jetty]

the no photos in this chat thing is laaaammmmmme

[wicked nacelle]

no, it's wonderful. otherwise the main channel would be nothing but images

[icy jetty]

i don't see the problem 😛

[wheat furnace]

if you read my message that is before connecting it

i will send after in a second

[wicked nacelle]

yeah we need it when it's tripped

[icy jetty]

the fluctuating capacity says you either need to pre-fill your coal gens before turning them on, or you're actually not providing enough water/headlift.

[wheat furnace]

like i said already they are all at 100 coal and full water

[wicked nacelle]

but yes, what stone said -- they're OBVIOUSLY not all full of coal and water or it wouldn't be fluctuating in the screenshot you posted

you can just go to them and watch for them turning yellow then back to green then go look at that one or two

[wheat furnace]

thats because i keep trying to recconect it over and over

and i have done that they are all green at all times

[whole drum]

Agree

[wicked nacelle]

no that's not what happens when you reconnect power. that "stairstep" at the top is they are turning off and on

[icy jetty]

let's continue this in math meta if we need to see more pics

[wheat furnace]

the power never fluctuates when they are not connected to the grid

but as soon as i connect them to the main grid it instantly shuts off

my production is 1425

i sent a ss of them

as you can see they are all running green

[wicked nacelle]

You're still REALLY close -- your consumption is >1100. and it tends to spike when you flip the breaker back on.

[wheat furnace]

1425 is not enough for that?

[wicked nacelle]

you're not 1425 -- you're fluctuating. Look at the grey line at the top of your first screenshot

your generators are flickering

if it were doing what you say it would be a straight grey line at the top

You have at least 2 that are flickering

[icy jetty]

which is a water problem

[wicked nacelle]

it does seem likely.

[icy jetty]

could be coal but likely water

[whole drum]

If the coal is setup via manifold (as is common practice), it could be the last few aren't getting enough

Water is the easier part to mess up tho

[icy jetty]

jonny when you connect it to the main grid, you have them still running right?

[wheat furnace]

obviously

[wicked nacelle]

yeah you can see that in the second screenshot -- production tries to ramp up but consumption goes higher

oops, wrong reply person right response

[wheat furnace]

i send a screenshot of the one at the very end

and it is at 100 coal and full water

[wicked nacelle]

Yes, SOME of them are full, for sure. But at least 2 are flickering

[icy jetty]

i think the consumption might be higher than the game is letting on

[wicked nacelle]

You want to do a screen share and jump on VC?

are you on PC?

[wheat furnace]

i can do

[wicked nacelle]

I'll DM

[whole drum]

Face all your generators while they are running and take a ss of all their status lights

[icy jetty]

you could also just watch the smoke stacks

[merry granite]

You could just ask him to check to see if all the status lights are green

[wheat furnace]

i did that already its in the ss

[merry granite]

He doesn't need to prove it

[wicked nacelle]

check DMs

[icy jetty]

continuing in #math-and-meta

[whole drum]

This is going to sound silly, but... you made sure the different groups of gens are all connected to the grid, right? Didn't forget to hook up one of the sets?

[icy jetty]

not allowing pictures is just lame, but as least we can use math and meta as a bypass

[ocean frost]

I think you might just need to disconnect some of the factory

Don't think your power can handle everything working at the same time

[whole drum]

Yeah, if the gens are all working correctly, it just means the factory draw is too high

[idle knoll]

since when ficsit-fred is dead

[ocean frost]

Also you need to turn on all of the water pumps before letting it run for a bit and then connect it to the grid.

Maybe add some batteries to give you a warning your grid is about to blow it

[icy jetty]

i think his consumption is just higher than he realizes

[quick hound]

THE FACTORY MUST GROW.

[quick hound]

It is also a good idea to have some extra batteries disconnected from your grid once they’re completely full! You gotta have some energy to kickstart your grid in case it kicks the bucket!

[whole drum]

I just keep an eye on my grid as I build, so it doesn't sneak up on me. It's not hard to stay ahead of it.

[ivory condor]

And the frame rate must cry for mercy

[ocean frost]

His production should be higher if he has 16 coal gens. Might have not connected a wire somewhere

[lofty forge]

my phase 4 factory currently has an average fps of 20

[ivory condor]

Pc or console?

[lofty forge]

pc

[ivory condor]

Oh my

Well best advise is to spread factory out across the world as much as possible

That on average helps all pcs regardless of specs

[lofty forge]

yeah. that helps with the framerate a lot. whenever i build something that includes 40+ buildings it gets built outside my usual areas

my 50gw powercube and quickwire station is at the very sides of the map so they dont get rendered often

[ivory condor]

Good idea, this game is heavily cpu bound in most cases, still utilizing upscalers and even dlss can help if your gpu supports it, thankfully the game includes many non nvidia upscalers to

[lofty forge]

NO WAY. This is going to sound made up my save couldnt load because i ran out of memory space... i just wanted to see how much ram it was taking up, i couldnt even take a screenshot

the main problem i always had was 3gb of vram. seems like i cannot run 40 tabs and satisfactory at the same time anymore

[ivory condor]

Hmmm possible, but, but that would mean you dont have any spare paging file allocated either

Which shouldnt be standard, some is usually allocated by default

[random garnet]

I’m setting up my Oil Field which is just purely gonna pump oil for a train to carry away somewhere.

It has a decent amount of oil nodes that being:

1 - impure
2 - normal
3 - pure

What I’m trying to figure out is how many times can I split off each quality of node???

Like for example can I split a pure node into 3 pipe lines without it slowing down oil transport?

[surreal meteor]

If you don't overclock anything, one pipeline per vein would be enough.

[lofty forge]

i guess its not on my pc then. this is the first time i had a problem like this. now that i closed a few tabs and can open the game, its using all of my vram and 13gb of ram. cpu is chilling at a nice 38%. these values might shoot up if i go into a more intense area.

[wicked nacelle]

so 90 minutes later, yes, his coal was out of both coal and water -- in different places

[wheat furnace]

also too much power draw

i now have half a factory and 3 less coal generators

but it works

[random garnet]

I saw someone saying for example if you FULLY over click a pure node extractor it can have 3 MK2 pipes

Is that like true?

[ivory condor]

Really hard to say, but sounds like your pc, that message normally shouldnt come up, under normal conditions anyways

[wicked nacelle]

??

no fluid extractor can exceed 600/m no solid extractor exceeds 1200/m -- both of which are standard "mover" tiers

and oil packages 1:1 so you would have 600 packaged oil/m

all liquids package 1:1

[lofty forge]

look at the pipe transportation rate. if the oil output is below the pipes max transport rate it should be fine. if you have them at different angles then the most vertical one gets the most/least for (going down/going up), why? liquid physics are kinda realistic. pipes are not like belts tho.

[random garnet]

So a pure oil node fully overclocked could only supply two mk1 pipes?

[lofty forge]

completely wrong, what

[wicked nacelle]

pure oil 250% is 600/m

but you need mk2 pipes because the extractor only has one output

[random garnet]

I mean I can use 2 mk1 pipes

[lofty forge]

you would need a mk2 at some point cuz of 1 output

[wicked nacelle]

You can split it off of a mk2 pipe into 2 mk1 pipes but you have to start with a mk2 pipe

[random garnet]

As I don’t have mk2 pipes yet so 2 mk1 a will have to do

[lofty forge]

at the start

[random garnet]

So I can’t just split it off with a mk1?

[wicked nacelle]

then you'll only get 300. Just like putting a belt on a miner that's too slow. You're limited to the belt/pipe size

[lofty forge]

it wont work the output has 1 node

[wicked nacelle]

no because there has to be a section BEFORE it's split and that can't exceed 300

[oblique prawn]

Ive been playing this game for years and I always make the most of my resources so is it a good idea/viable to have multiple productions of the same resource like 2 constructors making steel beams just to have? I’ve always played it where I conserve all the raw ore and only do one line of each item.

[wicked nacelle]

you can't hook the pipeline splitter directly to the extractor -- same as you can't put a splitter on a miner

[lofty forge]

^

[random garnet]

Tbh there’s no point splitting it then as I’m just transporting all the crude oil to the BIG fluid storage next to the train station to stockpile ready for the train to pick up and transport to my power plant

[wicked nacelle]

as recipes become more complex it's common to make more of an item locally to build a more complex item IN ADDITION TO your previous build of that item that's reserved for your personal use for things like building buildings.

like you might make rotors in one place that just go into storage/dimensional depot AND make rotors in a motor factory

[oblique prawn]

So would it be viable to have more than one constructor making a resource for personal use?

[wicked nacelle]

you're at oil -- so just go get mk2 pipes. What are you doing talking here? Go build.

[oblique prawn]

Especially if it’s a common used item like steel beams

[wicked nacelle]

for sure. You're very likely to want more than that. There are a LOT of resource nodes on the map.

[random garnet]

I was just asking a question to see how it would work and what to do?

[oblique prawn]

Okay good because my main worry is running out

[wicked nacelle]

The answer is that you need the higher tier unlocks to fully utilize stuff

[wicked nacelle]

You can easily beat the story with like 1/8 of the resources on the map. EASILY. And that's not like some weird technicality. Most people that have beat the game haven't used hardly any of the available resources.

[oblique prawn]

Oh damn even while making a production line for each resource?

[wicked nacelle]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/ this webpage in the top right shows the rate of extraction available for every resource. There's 92,100 iron ore per minute on the map.

[random garnet]

How I just need to figure out how ima place my large fluid buffers in this smaller space

[wicked nacelle]

and then there is an alt that multiplies that to like over 150,000 iron ingots/m

there's ~100,000 copper ingots/m

[oblique prawn]

Ok that’s good to know, ive started the game many times and furthest ive gotten was unlocking aluminum ive played since about when they added fluid to the game and right now I’m playing a game on ps5 since console is finally out but I also own the game on steam and epic

[wicked nacelle]

don't use fluid buffers for anything except train stations (and maybe not even then)

[quick hound]

do you have any nuclear pasta I can eat? I’m hungry for spagghetti

[random garnet]

I’m using it on a train station area

[oblique prawn]

Ask kibz

[random garnet]

So I can stockpile LOTS of crude just incase plus I like to try use everything the game has to offer

[lofty forge]

this is true. unless you are building megafactories with 50+ buildings in each part you dont use a VERY large portion of the map

[quick hound]

Who?

[wicked nacelle]

I'm making so much nuclear pasta 🙁 I have 20 overclocked particle accelerators? maybe more. Singularity cell is a fickle bch

[oblique prawn]

Someone on YouTube

[quick hound]

so how much can I eat?

[wicked nacelle]

You can't eat any I'm making 80 BWD/m

[quick hound]

wat?

[wicked nacelle]

You can eat some of those if you want to go to alpha centauri

WAT

[quick hound]

what’s BWD?

[wicked nacelle]

end game item -- most sink points in the game -- almost 3M/item

[quick hound]

so what does bwd stand for?

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch ballistic_warp_drive

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=ballistic_warp_drive

[quick hound]

ooo yeah! Lemme eat them! It would go good in a carrot cream stew 🤤

[wicked nacelle]

You need 200 to beat the game and I'm making 80/m 🙂

you're a duck.

[quick hound]

I’m a duck who hungers for inedible objects

[wicked nacelle]

ugh out of wine 🙁

I can't deal with yall if I'm sober 😛

[quick hound]

ah, so you play while drunk, I see :>

[wicked nacelle]

nono, not play. Only chat.

[quick hound]

eh

[quick hound]

guess what, SAM tastes like grape jelly! Is so yum :>

[surreal meteor]

1 pipe

[random garnet]

?

New question why can I see my trains freight carts highlighted red??

[quick hound]

when can we make 500 Cigarettes/m? HUH SATISFACTORY?:

[wicked nacelle]

smoke 'em if you got 'em

[quick hound]

wdym? you don’t smoke them, you eat them like a taquito

[wicked nacelle]

I eat 69 taquitos

[quick hound]

I thought that was common knowledge

[fervent dust]

hey beautiful wise people of the satisfactory server, can i have some advice

[quick hound]

If it involves eating uranium, yes.

[fervent dust]

sadly not

[quick hound]

Then no.

[fervent dust]

should i automate circuit board and computers or only computers, but a lot of them?

[quick hound]

You have to automate them both.

[fervent dust]

hard to swallow pills

[random garnet]

Ah it’s making sense to me now I’m doing it. So an impure node overclocked at 250% makes 150m ³ per minute and a normal node at 250% makes 300m ³ per minute so I can combine them both into a MK2 pipe line to make moving it easier

[fervent dust]

i suppose i'll just wing it then. thanks

[random garnet]

I dunno why I couldn’t comprehend this till I actually did it in practice

[kind jewel]

Nothing like starting a big build and burning through concert faster than it can upload.

[lofty forge]

satisfactory tools gives me 73 when you use everything on the map what dark magic are you casting to do this.

[wicked nacelle]

sloops 🙂

[lofty forge]

ah right

[wicked nacelle]

I have 16 slooped manufacturers

2.5*2*16

[random garnet]

This may be a stupid question but if I have a oil pump at a higher area and the pipe transporting the oil goes down I assume it would increase flow rate?

[wicked nacelle]

no flow rate doesn't change unless you need pumps and don't have pumps

[random garnet]

Ok then I woulda thought gravity would help it move

[wicked nacelle]

flow rate is literally waht it says on the parts. Either exactly 300 max or exactly 600 max

just like belts going downhill don't go faster

[random garnet]

Damn woulda be nice if it did help but ohwell

[lofty forge]

when pipes are going down you dont need pumps anymore thats pretty much it

[random garnet]

I may colour my pipes to show what they transport like black for crude pipes

[quick hound]

can I drink some? I’m thirsty

[kind jewel]

I do that when i set up fuel gen with turbo

[random garnet]

Only if you pay me 1 sloop per 100m ³

[wicked nacelle]

BAD. DUCK.

BAD

[quick hound]

the fuck you mean? Can’t a duck drink Oil?

in peace?

[wicked nacelle]

NO. Rescuers will come and abduct you and give you a bath against your will!

[quick hound]

I’ll peck their eyes out

[wicked nacelle]

YOUR NOT A GOOSE YOUR NOT SCARY YOUR DONT NO GRAMMERS

[random garnet]

If my pipe transporting crude goes up every so slightly will I need a pump? Like it barely like it’s barely going up 1m

[quick hound]

😭

[wicked nacelle]

put one by your extractor then click e on it and look at what the headlift gauge says

[quick hound]

MODS, XAXXON IS BULLYING MEEE

[lofty forge]

unfortunately for you none of the duck species currently discovered has intestines that can digest crude oil.

[wicked nacelle]

MODS!! DUCK ON CHANNEL #RULEZ

[quick hound]

I’m eating your power lines as we speak

[random garnet]

I’ll have to look when I set up all the pipes and power it as I don’t think it’ll tell me till I got power

[wicked nacelle]

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[quick hound]

jokes on you. I’ve built up an immunity to electricity

[wicked nacelle]

I'd say a safe rule is if the pipes go above the top of the extractor then yes you probably should have a pump

[random garnet]

Oh ok they don’t even go above them little silver cylinders on the extractor

[wicked nacelle]

yeah then you're good. I think you get a free 10m headlift from the machine

[random garnet]

How does this duck have immunity to electricity

[wicked nacelle]

I forget the exact number but it can go up "a little" without a pump. and if it goes down and back up that's fine. All it matters is "how far maximally above the last pump-ish thing"

it can go down 1km and bakc up 1km and not need a pump but if it goes down 1km and up 1km and 15m then it does

[quick hound]

and this is relevant to me because??

[lofty forge]

it is 10 meters but it never feels like that

[wicked nacelle]

I think we should really start some science on this duck

[quick hound]

I eat so many radioactive and strange things that I’m practically immortal

[random garnet]

Sorry for asking stupid questions about the pipes early half the time I don’t even know why I ask questions as I don’t understand and learn stuff till I actually do it in practice lol

[wicked nacelle]

shush duck

you're not even a cool mallard

[quick hound]

MODS, HES STILL BULLYING ME

[wicked nacelle]

MODS HE STILL DUCKXOR

[quick hound]

I peed into your nuclear reactor

[random garnet]

I just ran… so far cos I missed the train to get to my oil field just to get here and have forgotten the plastic at base

[lofty forge]

if you are worried about distance between pumps: a ring hologram shows up when placing a pump that shows the previous pump's max lift (building lifts are excluded)

[wicked nacelle]

Hey, anyone know why I may be getting way more power out of one of my nuclear reactors suddenly???? So strange.

[quick hound]

Your welcome :>

[random garnet]

I’m scared to see how much power a 250% oil extractor is gonna cost power wise

[quick hound]

Sorry, sorry. You’r

[wicked nacelle]

as long as you're going up fast enough then that's useful. If you're running a LONG ways horizontally before going up it's less useful

[wicked nacelle]

it's like triple a 100% one? It's not that much more per extracted unit. The % is the same for all buildings

[random garnet]

It’s gonna be worth it I guess though as the more oil this oil field extracts the more I can transport to my oil power plant to make even more power

[wicked nacelle]

yes, it's VERY worth

[clear aspen]

new user whos this?

[wicked nacelle]

it'll pay for itself like 10,000x over

[random garnet]

I love how extra I’m making my game by having the crude oil transport somewhere else to make power just cos it looks nicer in this other location lol

[wicked nacelle]

whos this you user?

[clear aspen]

one who needs a ping

[wicked nacelle]

I do that with nuclear power but not oil

[wicked nacelle]

PING!

[lofty forge]

fuel production has the most stupid increase rate in the entire game, you unlock 2 alt recipes and suddenly you are placing down 10+ fuel generators

[clear aspen]

no @ me

[wicked nacelle]

@clear aspen @YOU!@!!!!

[random garnet]

Still abit confused why my trains freight cargo is highlighter in red?

[wicked nacelle]

post screenshot

[lofty forge]

seems like its just a bug

[wicked nacelle]

curious to see it regardless

[random garnet]

I sent it

[wicked nacelle]

yeah weird

[random garnet]

I mean I have the train set to pick up crude at the oil field and then to drop it off at the power plant so maybe it’s glowing red to show me it’s not got cargo likes it supposed to?

[wicked nacelle]

no

[lofty forge]

no

[wicked nacelle]

no

[lofty forge]

freight cars are just, not supposed to do that