satisfactory

[charred sandal]

Its possible

[fervent garden]

So ima need 5 pipes..

[feral geyser]

No

Each pipe can feed 300/45 = 6.(6) gens

But that is only 2.5 water extractors.

[charred sandal]

If the extractors are on opposite ends of the plants you can technically have it all in one line.

But there's not much point imo

[fervent garden]

So if I had a like 4 water extractors it can power my 6 gens

[charred sandal]

2.5

They pump 120.
Pipe max is 300.
Gens use 45.

[feral geyser]

The ratio is 3 extractors per 8 gens, but you need two Mk 1 pipes to carry it.

[fervent garden]

If I put all the water in the same pipe will it power all 6

[charred sandal]

Bro

[fervent garden]

Wait wait so lemme get this right

One pipe per 3 gens for mk1 pipes

[feral geyser]

No

[charred sandal]

Nope

Stop guessing and just do the basic grade 4 math.

[feral geyser]

One full rate Mk1 pipe can feed 300/45 = 6.666... generators

So yes, one full pipe can feed 6 gens

To fill one pipe, you only need 2.5 extractors, or 1 at max clock

[charred sandal]

2.25 is enough for 6 gens

[fervent garden]

What if the pipes are connected? Would the pipes fill quicker to get more water to the gens?

[charred sandal]

Have you ever played terraria

[fervent garden]

Yeah, didnt get into it a lot

Kept dying to that wall fucker

[velvet bane]

Hello, are there any Spanish speakers here, or is there a separate channel for asking questions?

[feral geyser]

#1038092680493801533

I speak some Spanish, but probably not enough to help

[barren raft]

Hello I'm looking for working way to increase basic host max player capacity without dedicated on Windows ,because it do problem for some friend with weak network.
Past ways like create and edit game.ini not affected session.

[charred sandal]

Think they'll ever add a "sort to nearby crates" option

[feral geyser]

There is a mod for that, but probably not, no

[undone yarrow]

Biocoal allows a funny conversion: Turn the corpses of your foes into diamonds.

[median geyser]

Is there a functional difference between regular fuel and residual fuel?

[feral geyser]

No, same item, different recipe

[undone yarrow]

amount per crude oil

[median geyser]

Perfect ty

[fervent garden]

Yes actually. You read them differently

[feral geyser]

The only way I know is editing the .ini

[undone yarrow]

||Heavy Oil Residue > Diluted Fuel + Residual Rubber > Recycled Plastic/Rubber = 99% of oil||

[fervent garden]

???

[feral geyser]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[feral geyser]

Here, read that

Look at the common setups

[fervent garden]

The pictures help 🙂

I'm guessing conveyers go over the pipes

[feral geyser]

I would do the pipes over the belts

[hollow nova]

Completely up to you

[feral geyser]

Cuz gravity helps feed the machines

[hollow nova]

Could fully clip them into each other if ya want

[fervent garden]

Alright

[fervent garden]

Wouldn't that mess it up??

[undone yarrow]

Here's a secret: 2 coal generators are the exact same width as a water extractor, underclock the water extractor to 90 and just run them in parallel

[hollow nova]

Not at all

[median geyser]

Is there a way to make a priority junction for fluids?

[feral geyser]

You could do that

[feral geyser]

Yes, but also no

[fervent garden]

So the ores just noclip through, fun!

Finna have 4 coal spots go into a singular conveyer because I love making myself suffer

[hollow nova]

#math-and-meta message has the pipeline manual, which I think has a priority merger/splitter

[fervent garden]

I love how the 4 coal nodes closest ARE 400 METERS AWAY

[hollow nova]

[fervent garden]

Oh wait I have 6 coal nodes, another one at 650 meters and another at 710 meters

YAY SUFFERING

[hollow nova]

650 ain’t that bad

Power can be moved easily

[fervent garden]

Okay so ima overdo everything, gonna have five water extractors for 6 coal gens cause I am planning for the future

Thank God I have a GIANT pool of water, can fit at least a thousand of me in there

[wicked nacelle]

the map is set up so resources aren't all super convenient -- incentivizes creating transport systems

the game gives you a little frustration then gives you tools to deal with it (except with liquids)

[fervent garden]

You're talking to the person who made a 2k meter bridge just for him to drive his tractor to his power plant

[hollow nova]

Tools & solutions all at once! How convenient!

[fervent garden]

I'm over here trying to automate random shit and not even STARTING on phase 2 of the space elevator

[median geyser]

Would slide jumping into a powerline grapple speed up my movement?

[hollow nova]

Hey, the more automated stuff the easier your life becomes later down the line

[charred sandal]

Where do I go to look into adding mods?

[fervent garden]

Which is easier, bolted iron plate or stitched iron plate

Or do I need to rescan

[hollow nova]

Depends on your available resources

[karmic elm]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1438765729972486166

i did it

[hollow nova]

Stitched is good with extra copper around, bolted is good for more iron

[fervent garden]

Is it better than the regular iron plates

[hollow nova]

Which one

[fervent garden]

Bolted

And can I use it in place of the iron plates

[karmic elm]

actually bolted plates take more screws

[hollow nova]

Indeed

[median geyser]

Its the same. The names just refer to the different recipes. Its a question of what resources are better for your setup to sink into the plates, and at what efficiency you can make them

[karmic elm]

my favorite alternate recipie rn is solid steel

it is a life saver

[hollow nova]

Effectively the same recipe with a bit more iron, but has a higher production rate than the default reinforced plate recipe

[hollow nova]

Honestly real

I let my brother choose alternate recipes, he chose fused wire over cast screws 😭
Ah well

[karmic elm]

steel screws are pretty cool tho

unless you need the coal

[leaden matrix]

How do you guys deal with the distance issues with like coal and oil? :>

-# I HATE SCREWS SM CAST SCREWS ARE THE GREASTED THING COFFEE STAIN STUDIOS EVER MADE

[karmic elm]

depends on how far

[leaden matrix]

Let's say

500
1000
And 2000

How do you deal with each of these?
-# mainly just 1000 and 2000 tbh😭

[karmic elm]

500 i just use belts

[hollow nova]

Running & jumping, generally

[karmic elm]

same for 1k, but 2k i'd use trains

but you can always just build a factory at the resources you need

[leaden matrix]

I meant for resources😭

[lucid pagoda]

My uranium processing is finally done, I’m afking all night to fill the reactors but finally, months of work is over (aside from placing 500 plutonium reactors)

[leaden matrix]

Ahhhhh, what if its a liquid, do you use a packager + train + packager?

[hollow nova]

It’s generally advised in the community that satellite factories (small, isolated factories) are easier to make than a single megafactory

[karmic elm]

ya

but maybe with the fluid trucks it wont be neeed

[hollow nova]

As in, find the nodes, build the factory around them, rather than build the factory and move the nodes to it

[karmic elm]

i'm gonna have to start dealing with trains now

oh boy

[hollow nova]

Trains are phenomenal

[karmic elm]

yeah but i prefer belts

but making belts everywhere is not the play

[hollow nova]

8 steel pipes & 8 beams for one length of train track that would cost you ~20 resources in belts is 100% worth

Plus trains are goaded

[feral geyser]

oh shoot it's the real herobrine

[hollow nova]

1 mutual server

Probably not the real one

[karmic elm]

i'm leaving my computer on so i can get many heavy modular frames

i just finished the factory and i wanna sleep so bad

[median geyser]

How do I liquify biofuel?

[hollow nova]

Water

[karmic elm]

in a refinery

[feral geyser]

tier 5 - Fluid Packaging

[median geyser]

Ty

[leaden matrix]

I would but im so scared if I do this my factory will like explode while I look away if im gone for more than an hour or smth

Even though the only thing that COULD happen is like storage containers fill up

[charred sandal]

Infinite nudge lets you resize the building? How does that even work

[runic sage]

can anyone help me some? im tryna plan my first actual endgame nuclear facility and i dont know exactly how to import all the items

[feral geyser]

trains or drones

[median geyser]

Manual save before you get off for the night. Worst case scenario you wake up and reload to the same state you would have been if you had shut down

[feral geyser]

trains just need power, drones need fuel of some sort

[runic sage]

all with one train line or use multiple? i believe i need around 8 different resource nodes

[wicked nacelle]

yeah all your autosaves will have the same problem in the morning

[feral geyser]

i would say i would use multiple trains, but i hate trains

[wicked nacelle]

if you build a 2-track highway system you can run 100 trains on the same track system

[feral geyser]

that'd be a better question for someone else

[leaden matrix]

Make the drones bring the fuel to themselves ^-^

Train still peak tho

[wicked nacelle]

are you just trolling that guy from earlier?

[runic sage]

whats a 2 track highway system?

[wicked nacelle]

you run two tracks everywhere -- all track is 1-way. basically like "drive on the right" rule

[feral geyser]

one lane for incoming, one lane for outgoing

[wicked nacelle]

lets you essentially reuse the track for every train you'd ever want

[feral geyser]

or left, if you are European

[wicked nacelle]

yes, they added that in 1.1 that you can drive on the left 🙂

[runic sage]

so just make a loop and send multiple trains to bring resources

[wicked nacelle]

to start, yes, sort of. But don't put the train stations on the loop -- have a branch off the loop that goes to the station so trains that don't want that station can skip it

then later you can extend the loop to the next factory you build and put a station there on an offshoot

[runic sage]

but wont they be able to hit eachother at intersections?

[wicked nacelle]

that's what signals are for 🙂

[runic sage]

also i think if i have enough trains i can just run all of them to all stations either way

[wicked nacelle]

don't do that 🙁

[runic sage]

why

💔

[wicked nacelle]

It's a bit of a long video, but watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGw8ngs--7o

[hollow nova]

#screenshots message

[wicked nacelle]

because you want different lines going different places -- you don't want "a big circle". You want it to branch out to different areas and trains to take smart paths to get from where they are to where they're going without traveling everywhere

[wicked nacelle]

this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1438752125961244782/1438754236270645288/image.png?ex=691807cc&is=6916b64c&hm=a590f6bbc1133dce4d9c5b4d2f4924c346e42a879d82c2b37888df82dd86cce7& is obviously later, but imagine a single train loop where every train had to go through everything

[placid comet]

Not even a minute into that video and I already know I'm screwed. I dont have the brain for advanced set ups

[wicked nacelle]

the pink lines are my rail -- the bright green spots are signals I think

[runic sage]

yeah true but rn im just making for some basic items like uranium, copper, iron and so on

[charred sandal]

Whats the mod that lets you snap splitters directly to buildings/miners

[runic sage]

and also, even if i make a big circle, i can make it so a train will finish a loop every one minute if i time them

[elder apex]

SnapOn

[wicked nacelle]

The sooner you start building a rail highway the sooner you get to reuse what you've already built for your new expansions. It's the only transit in the game where you get to really build on at each step and it becomes better the more you use it 🙂

[novel heath]

Do gases prioritize going down like liquid does? Prob doesn't but might as well ask

[wicked nacelle]

there's always people here willing to help and once you learn a few rules there's really not much more to know to do everything. trains are the best part of this game

[charred sandal]

ty

[hollow nova]

Wdym by “down”? Gasses seek to “pressurize” the line, fluids seek to fill the lowest gaps

[wicked nacelle]

I don't know, I'm sorry. I hate fluids in this game. I transitioned all my oil to packaged fuel and use belts.

[runic sage]

alright true, also do i bring items like electromagnetic control rods and steel from my main factory or do i make new?

[wicked nacelle]

pipeline junctions have priorities... it's all black magic in the 27 page guide

[wicked nacelle]

control rods I'd move but anything that builds from only iron/copper/limestone/coal I try my darndest to fully build on site since there's almost always those things around

[hollow nova]

Me when 18 pages

[wicked nacelle]

I do often end up with a steel factory on a rail line where I can just shore up my steel pipe/beam needs somewhere

[runic sage]

i figured because im already bringing all of them

[wicked nacelle]

sure, doesn't sound awful 🙂

[sage quail]

so yeah, finally I managed to find both coal & water

[wicked nacelle]

what spot? (what coordinates in your map in the top right?)

[sage quail]

Idk and my controller is low batt, so I have to wait for it to charge & gotta start work

Ficsit is unfortunately unpaid work

[wicked nacelle]

ahh no worries 🙂

[placid comet]

Oh I'm sure. The thing is I'm wired for function in the loosest sense of the word, even if I have caveman bash things together. Ask me to make something look pretty however and my brain would spark

[sage quail]

😂 otherwise I'd work 8 hour/day

[wicked nacelle]

well, enjoy your unlimited coal power

[feral geyser]

"unlimited" 😭

[sage quail]

that's why I built it, 225 MW of capacity 😄

do the ores ever run out?

[wicked nacelle]

oh my saves are all VERY utilitarian.

nope.

there's basically notihng in this game that punishes you for making a "bad decision" - -including running out of stuff

you may have to change something but you get 100% of stuff back if you tear something down for example

[sage quail]

so the coal resource is infinite

[hollow nova]

Yes

[placid comet]

Yes. Nothing runs out

[wicked nacelle]

all ore nodes are infinite. There are the little ones scattered here and there that you can't put a miner on - those aren't infinite. but there are nodes elsewhere of the same thing that are

the only thing that's limited is the RATE you can extract new resources

and those rates are still pretty darned high

[sage quail]

I have an mk1 miner mining the ore and it goes into the 3 coal generators

[hollow nova]

Factorio discord is down the hall and to the left

[sage quail]

water is infinite too?

perfect.

[wicked nacelle]

Once you get a faster belt it may make sense to overclock (the slugs -> power shards) the coal miner to get more coal for more power 🙂

[feral geyser]

water is the most nearly truly unlimited resource on the map

[sage quail]

then I only need to find more coal when I need more MWs (probably won't happen soon, 225 MW capacity)

[sage quail]

yes yes, I made a power shard

[wicked nacelle]

with power shards you can get an extra 1.5x out of a miner

[placid comet]

Yep. So go nuts and take all the time and sleepless nights you need to plan

[dim cradle]

I read that wiki "Tutorial" on independency. Reads more like an opinion piece than any sort of tutorial.

[wicked nacelle]

it basically just means "limit how much you send between places". -- my take on the idea is "if it builds out of iron/copper/coal/limestone -- don't ship it just build it where you use it"

for the next tier, build a factory near the one/two exotic resources you need. Then beyond that, just ship high-tier stuff to where you put it all together

[dim cradle]

Just my take but I still disagree with it tbh. Shipping raw materials is just so trivial in this and by putting everything in one spot I get to really lazily share resources between different production lines.

[sage quail]

i guess yeah and only take the power, but the coal was 600 meters away and the water like 300 meters

[lavish python]

Does anyone know of a way to get the early access rewards on console?

[dim cradle]

To each their own though...

[wicked nacelle]

and of course plastic/rubber/aluminum are always shipped

[wicked nacelle]

I don't and haven't heard anyone discussing it

[hollow nova]

Pretty sure you can’t

[feral geyser]

the main thing is that shipping raws requires so much more capacity than shipping products

[wicked nacelle]

I think I'd find myself boxed in pretty quick unless I planned for endgame from the near start -- or at least from when you unlock trains

[placid comet]

A good way to fix one of those is to build the coal plants right by the water. Or even better look up the map and find nearby places with both in close proximity

[wicked nacelle]

yeah each tier basically densifies materials

[dim cradle]

I don't know, I never found myself boxed in... it's not hard to just make an air floor and keep going with it

[feral geyser]

Word of the year

[dim cradle]

When I needed more ore sometimes I'd just grab one of my early game sources, shove a mk3 on it, and then split it off, wham another factory line

[wicked nacelle]

we're likely talking drastically different scales 🙂

[dim cradle]

Maybe

[hollow nova]

Shipping 700 alclad sheets vs. Shipping 7 fused frames

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1438752125961244782/1438754236270645288/image.png?ex=691807cc&is=6916b64c&hm=a590f6bbc1133dce4d9c5b4d2f4924c346e42a879d82c2b37888df82dd86cce7& is where I am but even at half that the sheer flow rates would be pretty insane to route. I'd likely just end up with tiled vertical factories... basically each independent just close by

It could be cool to make the whole thing as a pyramid though

[placid comet]

I'm debating something. For my coal plants, I have set up a proper manifold for my belts, but I have more coal than I need. Not sure if I should leave it be or feed excess coal to my steel production

[wicked nacelle]

with BWD's at the top and all your refineries making pure ingots at the bottom

[wicked nacelle]

once you have fuel power basically all your coal will go to steel or compacted coal until end game

[dim cradle]

You don't need the tutorial at that point, you're just taking over the whole map.

[hollow nova]

Smart splitter, unless you haven’t unlocked them, if not, then a regular splitter would have the same effect

I would recommend keeping power & production lines separate, though.

[wicked nacelle]

yeah a smart splitter that always feeds the coal power first would be a great idea.

[median geyser]

Are the trucks good for anything?

[wicked nacelle]

pissing me off

[median geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/kowalski-noted-penguins-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-1306663699157096677

[dim cradle]

Like I said I did all through phase 5 in one base. I never found it more of a pain to transport materials to me than it would be for me to make whole new factories at some location and then transport products vs just belting and splitting. Then likewise I did a full (uranium->ficsonium) nuclear line in the same location, still zero issues.

[wicked nacelle]

they're HIGHLY optional as you get trains as soon as you really need to start transporting bulk items.

[lavish python]

I tiried to do a 100% resource used run back when 1.0 hit, it started crashing before i could even start processing anything.

[dim cradle]

Trains just make bulk transport so easy...

[placid comet]

From what I've gathered they're for automated freight between distant plants

[dim cradle]

and then if everything is in one spot, I can just easily share things

But again, all preference I guess

[wicked nacelle]

I def had to bump my UObject limit to not crash. I'm making right about half the max points/minute at 240M/m. I have no interest in a pure "do what the planner says exactly" run

[hollow nova]

Trains are goaded

[dim cradle]

Actually though... Like considering how tall the skybox is

Can you ever actually get boxed in?

[placid comet]

How soon is this available?

[dim cradle]

Like legit even your entire map file, you could technically fit into one skyscraper

[hollow nova]

Realistically, no

[wicked nacelle]

it's the next set of HUB research when you do your next space elevator upload

[runic sage]

i just realized that to make a fully operational non waste nuclear facility i need every single ore 💔

[wicked nacelle]

so like how your first one unlocked coal -- second one unlocks oil

[hollow nova]

Theoretically yes, but only if you play 24/7 for the next 100 years

[dim cradle]

Actually you could even make an actual giant pyramid

[lavish python]

yeah, my crashes were UObject related, i deleted almost everything using the calculator, and then tried to rebuild lighter, and it would still crash regularly.

[dim cradle]

to put your entire base in

[hollow nova]

Ficsonium line?

[wicked nacelle]

according to a CSS guy who was here earlier they had a leak in the game that they just fixed in the latest patch from today/yesterday

[runic sage]

if i want to use every type of fuel rods then i need all of the ores

[placid comet]

So phase 6 and 7?

[wicked nacelle]

so basicall you were guaranteed to crash eventually -- but I bumped my limit for 2.4M to 100M and it works great

[hollow nova]

Planning on making the “black eyed peas don’t you worry” cover in the dune desert sometime soon

[dim cradle]

Kind of? It didn't take me as much as I thought. The singularity cells being requires is kind of a low blow but it wasn't too bad.

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch fuel_generator

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fuel_generator

[lavish python]

maybe i'll try again then, i know they've optimized things a bit

[wicked nacelle]

Tier 5 - Petroleum Power

[dim cradle]

I think I legit made my entire end to end nuclear generation with no waste in a few hours today

[runic sage]

true i just mean i need my train to gather every type of ore and bring it to one location to process uranium, plutonium and fisconium fuel rods

[dim cradle]

See another advantage to a base all in one place

[wicked nacelle]

yes, also I found a HUGE performance improvement by turning down belt draw distance and belt item update rate -- those are NOT part of the low/medium/high groups of settings

[dim cradle]

gottem

[placid comet]

OIL 🇺🇸

[runic sage]

im not gonna put a nuclear facility in my factory 💔

[wicked nacelle]

murica fuck yeah!

[dim cradle]

I didn't put it directly where my base was

but there's very little radiation from it

I have no waste, everything is used at 100% efficiency

[placid comet]

However I did read somewhere that oil comes with its problems. Particularly a bi product

[hollow nova]

I have this guy here https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=CD7XpGOvgmNk9J2SRY6B

[wicked nacelle]

oil introduces the idea that you get multiple outputs and you may not have a use for all of them right away -- but it's easy to -- worst case -- make them a solid and send them to the awesome sink

and there are alts that make the whole process useful -- no wasted anything

[hollow nova]

I dunno if it’s max production anymore- a little dated, but yeah

[wicked nacelle]

The NEXT big step up after oil is aluminum. Aluminum makes a lot of people's brains break for a while with how annoying some of the recipes are 🙂

[placid comet]

Ah awesome sink. What would we do without you

[dim cradle]

Like actually draw it out or what lol? I started in the desert, never moved the hub, and this is what my base looked like at the end of phase 5, I wrangled with the pasta: #screenshots message

I also added on Nuclear today:
#screenshots message

As you can see I got too lazy to actually build platforms and just started placing buildings on random mountains at some point.

[wicked nacelle]

yes and even if you have a fluid you don't want, look for ways to de-fluid-itize it to sink it -- or just use it for something else

[placid comet]

I take it there's no alt recipes to alleviate some pain?

[velvet bane]

Can you “create” new color palettes and save them as “another palette”?

[dim cradle]

I personally like one particular recipe

[wicked nacelle]

some of them are "more pain for more efficiency" -- some others are easy if you see the trick. but in general it's the first "hard" for a lot of people to wrap their brain around

[dim cradle]

I found it pretty easy to use

[hollow nova]

Spaghetti
Respect, I appreciate as that’s probably my current save file is going

[wicked nacelle]

the sulfur one is great because the waste exactly matches the input water need for another ingredient

[lavish python]

Took a while to load in the calculator but this was my save that started to crash:
#screenshots message

[wicked nacelle]

just like with some nuclear recipes

[dim cradle]

Sloppy Alumina + Aluminum Scrap + Pure Aluminum Ingot

I like this, it was very simple to set up.

[feral geyser]

instant scrap ftw

[wicked nacelle]

I dislike sloppy but considering you can run out of bauxite you have to be efficient

and you can't just throw sulfur at every problem in the game

[feral geyser]

sure you can

[dim cradle]

I was kind of like... swimming in aluminum

[feral geyser]

convertor loops

[dim cradle]

so idk... maybe super late game

[wicked nacelle]

I'm only like 10% production over consumption on the whole map -- and that's after optimizing alts

[dim cradle]

I think the main benefit of that recipe set to me is I never felt annoyed setting up an aluminum plant, it was just so simple...

[placid comet]

Well before I bother with any of that I should probably start by setting up designated plants for all the things I need. Up till now I've had the bad habit of tweaking my machines for each phase rather than building more

[hollow nova]

Swimming in aluminum rapidly disappears when you start making late game production lines

[dim cradle]

I mean I guess? What all are you using it for? I was even feeding some of it to those orange ingots and even from one source of it, it wasn't close to running dry

[wicked nacelle]

I have multiple factories that need multiple trains of aluminum. I have 4 pickup stations at my main aluminum factory -- both fully fed at 2400 (minus stop time) of both ingots and casings

[dim cradle]

I had an overabundance for everything...

[hollow nova]

The map resources are really well done/developed to make everything hard to obtain late-game, after the players are roped into the gameplay loop. Gotta hand it to Coffee Stain on that one.

[wicked nacelle]

obviously with finite rates available on the map i fyou keep building more and more youo're going to run out of something first 🙂

[dim cradle]

I guess if you're like building the death star over the entire map lol

[wicked nacelle]

nitrogen is also in pretty low supply

and then you start throwing quartz/silica at problems that dries up fast, too

all my sam is slooped but if I didn't then that would be pain

[feral geyser]

me doing Quartz Purification/Silica Distillation: 😶

[wicked nacelle]

my sloops are basically --all the sam and then 16 BWD manufacturers -- and that's basically all of them

[dim cradle]

Lol 16

I guess I could set up more BWD manufacturing lines

[wicked nacelle]

16 slooped is essentially a coupon a minute. Slightly less, but nearly

[dim cradle]

It's pretty nice how just one end-to-end loop of uranium->ficsite basically more than doubled my energy production

[remote crest]

Does adding things to hotbar crash everyone's game or just console players?

[dim cradle]

I've been running on nothing but sloop and geothermal for so long and I'm just used to my consumption just sitting there and bouncing all around my production and my batteries kicking in constantly XD

[hollow nova]

Ficsite is just not great for overall power output & resource consumption…

[wicked nacelle]

the problem is the amount of sam. It's the burning of plutonium that gets you that huge spike. I had to turn mine off and sink the plutonium (that overflows from powering drones)

[wicked nacelle]

but the plutonium rods are great for power -- that's the real tradeoff.

[feral geyser]

sounds like a console bug

[dim cradle]

We're lucky that in this game the batteries don't actually work like real batteries

[wicked nacelle]

that sounds super bad -- have you tried turning it off and back on again?

[dim cradle]

otherwise my cells would all be dead from overcycling

[feral geyser]

not me

[wicked nacelle]

oopsies yep

[hollow nova]

Haven’t really done the hardcore calcs since 1.1.

Is it still ficsonium is not a good trade off?

[wicked nacelle]

it's a LOT of SAM but it lets you burn plutonium with no waste. But it's a LOT of SAM as you approach max uranium burning

[hollow nova]

Yeah, that’s a a given

[dim cradle]

You mean disposing of plutonium waste? Does get a bit expensive yeah.

The singularity cells being required for disposal is imo kind of a low blow

The rest is easy

[wicked nacelle]

yes, the power from actually burning ficsonium is trash. It's the plutonium burning without permanent waste that is the tradeoff

[dim cradle]

the quantum machine basically half pays for itself via the dark matter it puts out as byproduct

Although I might just sloop my ficsonium producer, because why not...

[wicked nacelle]

if you're one of those heathens who says "oh I'll just store plutonium waste forever" then ficsonium is a huge waste

[dim cradle]

Hell naw

[hollow nova]

If they doubled ficsonium output (last step in prod line) would it still be worth it or no?

[dim cradle]

get rid of that waste bruh

[wicked nacelle]

I thought I was so smart doing that -- then I saw the power from ficsonium vs the sloop surcharge on power consumption and was like... oh

[dim cradle]

I mean for me it would still be worth it I think...

[wicked nacelle]

it's still net positive because the power is fluxuating -- if it were maxed out the whole time I think it's only slightly above break even. But since it fluxuates it's actually a little better? but I don't have extra sloops for silly things in my save 😛

[dim cradle]

like basically what I did was I'm producing 0.375 uranium/min -> 187.5% reactor -> 2x 250% plutonium reactors -> 1x 250% ficsonium

All of these are currently at 100% efficiency...

if I just slooped and added another 250% ficsonium, that's another like what, 6250?

Would prob be net positive over the consumption for sure

[hollow nova]

-# ( I cloned two containers of sloops & mercers, and kept them quarantined off for special use)

[wicked nacelle]

I mean you can always SCIM and give yourself whatever (if you're on PC)

[dim cradle]

I think about 9 of my sloops are still tied up in sloop generators

doing nothing but geothermal I had no choice XD

[wicked nacelle]

sloop generator?

[dim cradle]

Should probably withdraw another 10 sloops.

[wicked nacelle]

oh the alien power thingies?

[dim cradle]

yeah

I had 10 of them through most of the game, took one down at phase 5

I've been basically minmaxing my use of those poor 13 sloops lmao

[wicked nacelle]

yeah I had to tear mine down. I had like 1.2TW and now I'm at 780MW and I use 750MW

[hollow nova]

My main save is on PC, current save is on console which I am trying to get my friends to stick with it

[wicked nacelle]

I was going through my save today and maximizing overflow fuel to burners to try to squeeze a little more out

so when my recycled plastic/rubber backs up that fuel gets sent to gennies

[dim cradle]

Yep just checked back in, still a nice stable 70 GW to my factory rn

[fervent garden]

Whats a Geyser for

[feral geyser]

i thought i was hot shit once i had a Matrixed one

[wicked nacelle]

you put a geothermal generator on it -- free power

[feral geyser]

then i saw people who have all 10 Matrixed 😭

[fervent garden]

Kinda good since its DIRECTLY UNDER MY DAMN POWER PLANT

[wicked nacelle]

some people are annoyed by geo plants because they fluxuate power so your power production line isn't flat anymore. Some people are annoyed by people who are annoyed by that.

[fervent garden]

More power=me happy

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, and it can't be used for anything else so it's not like coal or whatever

[fervent garden]

Does coal have other uses other than the coal gens?

[wicked nacelle]

oh heck yes. in fact for super-late-game coal is actually the most valuable resource in the game

[hollow nova]

||Fluctuating power is just a given in max tier||

[wicked nacelle]

most valuable in that it's the thing you truly run out of when maxing out coupon points per minute

[hollow nova]

Also munitions productions for midgame stuff!

[fervent garden]

I have 6 nodes of it (probably all pure) around my power plant

So have one conveyer go all the way to the sink? Infinite tickets?

[wicked nacelle]

that's great for now. Fuel plants make a TON more power so you after you have that set up you won't feel bad repurposing some of that coal away from coal burners

[dim cradle]

Well the most important part is I totally proved that one dude wrong and set up this entire nuclear line without a hazmat suit.

[wicked nacelle]

the price of each coupon is higher than the previous coupon until it gets to ~240M points / coupon -- so eventually sinking coal is essentially worthless. Technically infinite but the rate is incredibly slow.

[dim cradle]

At the end of the day that's all that matters

[fervent garden]

I wish there were dispensers that shoot materials out of conveyers.

[dim cradle]

Worker safety is nonsense

[fervent garden]

Cause then I can dump the excess shit that's deadly RIGHT into the void.

[hollow nova]

Respect the effort until you’ve missed a belt on floor 3 of encased industrial beams (I know because I did that)

[wicked nacelle]

They are called Doggos 🙂

[hollow nova]

I missed so many connecting belts before 1.1 lmao

[wicked nacelle]

and they have a magic power of taking even plutonium waste off the map

[dim cradle]

I got all the belts right, I did have to touch up a water spot after reloading a save though

[fervent garden]

Can you answer a question I've had for a while but nobody's answered yet about pipes

[wicked nacelle]

maybe. pipes are hard but I'll give it a try

[dim cradle]

It's really all about the water being a PITA

especially when it's a byproduct

[fervent garden]

If I put all my water extractors into one pipe, do the pipes fill up faster to fill the coal gens faster

[wicked nacelle]

the thing is your pipes have a limit just like your belts do

[fervent garden]

Because I've noticed the pipes have water physics which is honestly amazing

[dim cradle]

You thought Water Temple was bad in Zelda, try Water Pipes in Satisfactory.

[hollow nova]

Check pipe capacity

[fervent garden]

I have 6 coal gens

[wicked nacelle]

mk1 pipes can only move 300/m. So if you put 2 extractors you get 240 -- but if you put 3 on then you only get 300 not 360. If you put 4 on you still get 300

[dim cradle]

If you wanna easily power 6 gens, just overclock one of the water extractors to 150 and the other 120

[wicked nacelle]

so you can't squeeze a bunch of water into a single pipe in a single spot

[dim cradle]

That's what I do anyway

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[hollow nova]

Don’t

[dim cradle]

270 is exactly 6 and fits in one pipe

it's also a bit more efficient space wise

[fervent garden]

When do I get mk2 pipes

[wicked nacelle]

@fervent garden see in that wiki page diagram how it never actually puts all 3 water extractor outputs into the same pipe at the same place?

[feral geyser]

or make 3 extractors and downclock them all to 3/4*100%

save a tiny bit of power and a shard

[wicked nacelle]

oil tier -- it needs plastic but you still have the same restriction -- it just goes up to 600 instead of 300. It's the same math

[dim cradle]

Shards are basically unlimited anyway tho

I just throw them in everything to save space

[feral geyser]

yeah, but still

[wicked nacelle]

@fervent garden it's important to understand that wiki page I just sent you

and why it works that way but not how you said

[fervent garden]

The name of the tier doesn't really help

[dim cradle]

All those setups are doing is playing around with not putting all of the water capacity in one spot so that no one pipe section has more than 300 water at any one time

That's about it.

[wicked nacelle]

you get it when you see oil being unlocked -- it's not yet but it's not a ton in the future

but you'll have to do quite a bit with pipes before then

[dim cradle]

still prefers just doing 6 gen split instead because it's simpler to me but I guess I'm weird

[wicked nacelle]

you'll have to send another set of elevator goods up first

[fervent garden]

What number tier though

[wicked nacelle]

the next one

Idon't know the numbers sorry

[fervent garden]

Oh alr

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch oil

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=oil

[wicked nacelle]

Tier 5 - Fluid Packaging

[fervent garden]

So phase 2

[wicked nacelle]

Tier 5 milestones are available starting in Phase 3.

tiers are grouped in 2's. (1,2)(3,4)(5,6)etc where each parenthesis is a phase. I hate those terms though

[fervent garden]

Tier 5 is phase 2

I'm looking at it right now

[wicked nacelle]

the wiki disagrees https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Milestones#Tier_5

Tier 5 milestones are available starting in Phase 3.

[fervent garden]

I have tier 0-4 unlocked because I finished tier 1.

When I finish tier 2 I will have 5 and 6

Phase 2*

[wicked nacelle]

but I don't really care who is right -- you need to upload another set of elelvator parts to get to oil -> plastic -> mk2 pipes

yes, so when you finish tier 2 you're in tier 3 🙂

[dim cradle]

feel like basically all I actually used mk2 pipes for is like... water...

and I guess nitrogen gas lol

[wicked nacelle]

pure oil is 600 from an overclocked extractor so you're missing out on oil if you didn't

[dim cradle]

Just didn't really need more. A few basic recycled loops was more than I needed for everything I made

[wicked nacelle]

you don't need it for nitrogen -- obviously it's handy though

[dim cradle]

Ah yeah like I'm not really using all the nitrogen I'm transporting in via drone lol

Just needed 600 to actually use the fracking output that's all

[wicked nacelle]

oil -> diamonds so I'd never waste a drop of it.

[dim cradle]

Ah yeah if you need to megabuild those crystals or something

[wicked nacelle]

I don't think any singular fracking output is over 300, so TECHNICALLY you could get it all without mk2

[dim cradle]

Idk tbh, maybe if you overclocked the fracker?

[wicked nacelle]

nah, still 300 max I think. I wouldn't know the non-overclocked numbers 😄

I always forget I only think in 250%'s when talking to newbs

like about their coal miners or whatever

[dim cradle]

Nah at 250% it's 300 on a pure

so you're right, mk1 pipes for all of it

Now, if you could sloop it...

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, no sloops on packagers. I think they should. 2 sloops. It doesn't give you infinite rate, so it's fine.

[median geyser]

What are sloops even for? I have 3 in my storage, and Ive done like half their research, but I don't find them often enough to be willing to spend what I have left

[dim cradle]

I'm pretty sure a packager would give you infinite though... 🤔

You could just set up a feedback loop and start getting something for nothing

[wicked nacelle]

you can get double the output of a machine with the same number of inputs -- you can also build this super cool power booster building that boosts the power output of all your other power buildings by 10 or 30%

[wicked nacelle]

you already get infinite of everything. Slooping a packager gives you a finite rate increase

rates are the only thing that actually matters

[dim cradle]

No if you put a slooped to a slooped you'd effectively just need to kick start it and you could make infinite of it

[wicked nacelle]

you can just have a miner/fracker and have infinite of it too

again, all resources are already infinite - and they all have a finite max rate. Allowing slooping on packagers increases rate but not infinitely.

every slooped packager would in theory double its input rate - and since overclock is limited then the new slooped rate is limited

[dim cradle]

I dunno I'm pretty sure at some point you're making a rather high rate off of nothing. But I haven't done any concrete math

Because of the pack-unpack loop being doubled

[median geyser]

Which items are generally recommended for doubling?

[dim cradle]

Space parts first tbh

[wicked nacelle]

power shards from slugs and then alien dna parts

[dim cradle]

Basically just shove them in the machine that's making the final elevator output, wham, you just cut the time in half

And yeah one-offs like doing power slugs

[wicked nacelle]

if you process your power slugs in a constructor (vs crafting table) you get twice as many shards from each

if you process alien remains in constructors instead of crafting desk -- there are 2 parts to the process -- and you can sloop both so you get 2x2=4x the alien dna to sink for sweet sweet coupons

[dim cradle]

Late game there's also really low yield stuff that's a pain to make like Nuclear Pasta, slooping that before inputs a real godsend

(imo)

[wicked nacelle]

so in game there is 12,000m³ / min of nitrogen gas. If you slooped a 100% packager (just for math simplicity) you'd now have access to 12,240/m -- i.e. you could use that much sustained forever.

so maybe that's high and would shift the game but it's not fundamentally creating an infinite rate supply -- because you eventually run out of sloops 🙂

if you could make sloops then it would create an infinite rate supply which wouldn't be available anywhere else in the game, for sure

[dim cradle]

Feed back into an unpackager that's slooped and feed it back into the packager, then cut off the supply entirely, you keep doubling the output for input at every phase...

[wicked nacelle]

but the RATE you can consume it at is still fixed

and the rate it creates more is still fixed. the packager has a max processing rate -- it can't keep doubling the amount of the packaged fluid each time period

it would still only make 240/m more of nitrogen gas, for example (at 100%)

yes, you could stop all your nitrogen fracking and live off that 240/m profit on the packager for ever. But only at a consumption rate of 240/m (or whatever after overclocking/making multiple of them -- but a finite number limited by sloop availability)

anyhow... they're not going to do it 🙂

There's 106 sloops so after using 2 for research you can get an extra 31,200 (300*106) nitrogen/minute if you used every sloop on 250% packagers in this theoretical world

or a bunch more oil - which may be more useful 🙂

[dim cradle]

Sorry had to step away. I don't think so. You can effectively create a source out of nothing

Simplicity let's say 100/min starting point, slooped 200/min. Overclocked to 250 per packager, 500/min.

Well to begin with you just took 250 turned it into 500

[wicked nacelle]

sure. In 1 minute, let's say

[dim cradle]

Now do the output, too, you took 500 turned it into over pipe capacity. Then you pipe back to input you're only using 250 to keep the cycle going and getting an oil source.

You can cut off the oil entirely.

[wicked nacelle]

yep. So I "profited" 250

[dim cradle]

You can then add additional packagers in this line

That are doing the same thing

[wicked nacelle]

yes, I can add a finite number of additional packagers to the line limited by sloop count

[dim cradle]

And you have infinite rate

[wicked nacelle]

no

[dim cradle]

Well okay sloop-limited rate.

[wicked nacelle]

each machine gives 250/m profit

yes, if you could make sloops, it would be arbitrarily large rate -- but ya can't

[dim cradle]

No it's not 500/m profit btw, it's 350/min, and you can make it higher

because you're getting 4x multiplier on input

[wicked nacelle]

whatever the profit is is irrelevant, it's a fixed profit rate per packager

[dim cradle]

600/4 is 150, you only need to set the input to 150

Theoretically you could maybe do some pipe shennanigans and get more of that

[wicked nacelle]

whatever the input is you profit that

no you can never exceed theh 250% overclock input rate which sets your profit

[dim cradle]

But overall this is I guess technically limited, but you're basically creating something from nothing, not exactly a small rate profit. Tho tbf there's always slooping a diluted oil refinery I guess

[wicked nacelle]

yes, for nitrogen you're going from 12 to like 50k if you used every sloop

[dim cradle]

Actually though I guess maybe slooping a packager instead of unpackager at endpoint would be more efficient.

[wicked nacelle]

I dunno. whatever the input is is your profit. going either direction

[dim cradle]

Because with overflow you could technically keep more of profit I'd think

Then possibly split that into slooped unpackagers again?

Pipes don't have overflow splitters

[wicked nacelle]

doesn't matter. the layout doesn't matter at all. They can be completely flat. They can be treed - your profit is always exactly your input rate

[dim cradle]

I dunno dude I think it'd matter a lot in this case 🤔 but w/e

Too late to math this out

[wicked nacelle]

if you have a slooped packager feeding two slooped pacakgers you lose all the profit on the first one but you gain it back by not having to feed "fresh" supply to downstream packagers evening it out exaclty 🙂

good night 🙂

[median geyser]

Oh I didnt even think about automating slugs since there is so few of them 😂

[wicked nacelle]

yes, the only reason to do it is to throw a sloop in the process to double the shards. Otherwise you'd always just process them by hand.

[wicked nacelle]

until someone pointed this out to me I don't think I realized there was even a constructor recipe for doing it

[median geyser]

Havent really looked into overclocking yet tbh. Most of my machines are just pumping into buffers that later feed new machines when I unlock new items anyway 😂

[wicked nacelle]

early game it's not the production machines you want to overclock (like constructor) it's the miners. for example, maybe your belt is matched to your pure miner node -- but on a normal you can double how much you get by bringing it up to 200%. Or especially an impure node. Makes it better than a normal node at 250%

so put shards on miners and then anything you sloop -- makes your sloops more efficient

[solemn crystal]

I dont usually overclock, i just make more machines

[wicked nacelle]

that's why miners are so important to overclock -- it's a limited resource unlike constructors/assembers/whatever

[solemn crystal]

I wish you could sloop them

But it wouldnt match belt speed

[feral geyser]

Overclock every miner ever

[solemn crystal]

Just overclock the pioneer

[wicked nacelle]

I'd kill to be able to sloop some normal nodes absolutely!!

but yeah slooping a pure node would need mk7 belts 🙂

[solemn crystal]

Id sloop to be able to belt the normal sloop nodes

Wait no thats-

[feral geyser]

"My angles are many, my sides are not few..."

You read that book?

[wicked nacelle]

book?

[solemn crystal]

No

[wicked nacelle]

what is that?

[feral geyser]

The Phantom Tollbooth

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch book

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=book

[wicked nacelle]

sorry, no such item found

[solemn crystal]

Its the IRL mod

[feral geyser]

There is a character in Digitopolis (the Kingdom of Numbers) named the Dodecahedron

He is (you guessed it) a dodecahedron

[sage quail]

he has 12 sides

[solemn crystal]

He stole my identity, how dare he

[wicked nacelle]

get to work!!!

[sage quail]

I'm taking a short, FICSIT authorized coffee break, 1 task done, 1 left

then I got a couple FICSIT approved meetings

[feral geyser]

I think he's older than you lol

[solemn crystal]

Theres alot of people older than me, but thats still my identity

[wicked nacelle]

they reverse stole it

[sage quail]

oh sorry, dodecahedron is 12 sides

[wicked nacelle]

they took it before you could -- HOW RUDE

[solemn crystal]

how disrespectful

[sage quail]

I was thinking of an icosihenagon 😂

[solemn crystal]

Im summoning them to the court of sides

[fervent garden]

My contraption works!!!!

I HAVE POWERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Well just water for now

For only 3 of the 6 coal gens

BUT I HAVE POWER

I genuinely have no fucking idea how I did it to be honest. I just started building and it worked 1st try.

Yeah sure the liquid pusher thingy that pushes it up is overflowing but who cares?

[feral geyser]

sides faces

[sage quail]

yea yea, 21-sided dice, is just slang.

[median geyser]

Oh true. I might need to start hunting down more slugs 😂

[fervent garden]

Okay so my game reloads after 14 hours of playing. Fun!

[sage quail]

Ofc it doesn't have 21 sides, I'm not sure how many sides it actually has, from a geometrical standpoint

[north summit]

Impure coal node moment

[feral geyser]

30 edges, 20 vertices

[north summit]

[feral geyser]

20-30+12 = 2

Euler characteristic ftw

[north summit]

Are trucks worth using

[feral geyser]

Depends what you mean by "worth"

[north summit]

For resource transportation

500 trucks

[feral geyser]

I like them, they are kinda fun

500 is a lot, but sure, make a bustling city

Remember they each need fuel, factory carts don't

[north summit]

True

I was thinking of setting up a auto truck network for distant nodes

[feral geyser]

Yeah, make some road blueprints.

Or use natural roads. But planning routes takes some time too.

[north summit]

Can enemies attack trucks

[feral geyser]

No

Trucks can roadkill enemies though

[north summit]

Oooo

[feral geyser]

Semi-auto remains if you do it right

[north summit]

Interesting

[feral geyser]

Just don't roadkill doggos 😭

[north summit]

I wish constructors didn’t need to specifically choose what gets turned into alien Protien or Biomass

It’d be nice to just dump all my stuff into one storage and have my machines go to town

Especially early

[fervent garden]

I want to shove the alien penguin dolphin elephant giraffe thing into the constructor to make protein

[feral geyser]

It would be nice to have a general-purpose recipe for remains to protein

[north summit]

Ye

[fervent garden]

What's the purpose of the alien penguin dolphin elephant giraffe thing other than to torture its species eternally

[north summit]

Infinite Protien

They are fat

[feral geyser]

But tbh, making a sorter and slooping 4 machines ain't so bad

[north summit]

Therefore Protien

[feral geyser]

Then a fifth machine for capsules

[fervent garden]

Then I can turn it into biomass. Then into solid biomass. Then I have fuel for my vehicles

[north summit]

General recipe would just be a lot more user friendly yknow

[feral geyser]

I mean, smart splitters are pretty easy

[fervent garden]

I wish we could give ideas to the devs

I wonder if they wath the chats silently waiting for good ideas

[north summit]

It doesn’t matter if it’s Hatchers Boars or Spitters they all go in the same woodchipper

We wish

[fervent garden]

DEVS WE NEED TELEPORTERS SO I CAN ETERNALLY TORTURE THE ALIEN DOLPHIN PENGUINE THINGS

[feral geyser]

I'm gonna tell him

[ivory condor]

no but https://questions.satisfactorygame.com that has a higher chance of devs noticing, instead in here where it can easily get lost in the chat

[fervent garden]

And then turn the energy out of the teleporters into power. And make it be OP as hell. I can torture and make power. Killing two problems with a species of ugly creatures

[north summit]

I sorta hope Satisfactory 2.0 has a new space elevator thing

[feral geyser]

Just use jump pads 😭

[north summit]

Or we expand into new planets or territory

Idk

[fervent garden]

BRO IMAGINE

ONE PLANET BE POWER THEN THE NEXT PLANET BE AUTOMATION

I WANT TO HARVEST THE POWER OF THE SUN

[north summit]

I know FICSIT employees are dedicated to their assigned regions but yeah

[feral geyser]

No solar

[north summit]

Would be nice if I can turn a planet into coal

[feral geyser]

It's actually balls to play with solar

[fervent garden]

Why no solar?

[north summit]

Solar = cringr anyway

[fervent garden]

Okay but not like solar panels. I was talking about actually mining the sun.

[north summit]

Solar = cringe

[wooden frost]

just finished my first coal powerplant and i wanna kms now

[feral geyser]

Just play DSP

[fervent garden]

I wanna mine the sun.

[north summit]

Your fleshy pioneer body would be evaporated

[fervent garden]

DSP? What's that

DEEP SPACE PENIS

[feral geyser]

Dyson Sphere Project

[fervent garden]

Good thing i have infinite lives.

[feral geyser]

You gotta catch up with your TLAs

[fervent garden]

That damn thing won't even touch the stratosphere before 2080.

[north summit]

Me when nuclear

[ivory condor]

And it would be more practical than trying to mining what is essentially going to be plasma and be at thousands of degrees and thats just the surface of a normal sun.

[fervent garden]

Who said I wanted to mine a normal sun?

[ivory condor]

what would you be mining then?

[fervent garden]

Neutron stars 😄

(I may or may not have a death wish)

[ivory condor]

Have fun with that death wish

I doubt any advanced civilization could actually to mine such a star, or it would have godlike levels of tech and it somehow might be possible

[fervent garden]

Aliens

THere could be life out there 😄

[feral geyser]

Somewhere in the cosmos

[feral geyser]

If there weren't anybody else, it'd be an awful waste of space 😏

-Contact, Carl Sagan

[fervent garden]

I mean think about it. We've already seen "lights" on some planets, and earth like atmospheres on other planets. If anything there might just be alien animals or something like in satisfactory and no intelligent life

[feral geyser]

Citation needed

[fervent garden]

Or we could have a avatar type planet.

I wouldn't mind becoming a Na'Vi

[ivory condor]

with 70 sextillion stars its statistically unlikely there isnt any aliens to be honest

and thats just what we can see, probably infact even more stars

[fervent garden]

The cosmos are infinite, there is infinitely more than 70 sextillion stars

[feral geyser]

-Great Filter Hypothesis has entered the chat-

[feral geyser]

Maybe, but maybe not

[fervent garden]

I like how we're talking about alien planets when I am sucking the water of an alient planet and pumping toxins into the air

[feral geyser]

It's the Earthican way

[fervent garden]

You think it just stops somewhere?

I think that that is scientifically impossible

[feral geyser]

No, but it could loop back on itself

Earth doesn't have an "edge" but it is finite

[fervent garden]

That one satallite that escaped our galaxy brought info that another galaxy is boiling hot, I think it's on the edge of an atmosphere of another unidentified planet but you never know, There could be parts of the universe that is boiling hot in the galaxy of that system and some cold like ours.

[feral geyser]

No satellite has left our galaxy

[fervent garden]

There is one

Lemme try and find the name

[feral geyser]

Our solar system, yes

Voyager is well beyond our heliopause

[ivory condor]

I think they are confusing solar system with galaxy in this case

[fervent garden]

That's what I meant

It left the solar system

Both voyagers are still out there

[feral geyser]

A literally astronomically huge difference

[fervent garden]

Shush

I made oopsie

[feral geyser]

Unforgivable

[fervent garden]

You're unforgiveable

[feral geyser]

I know

[ivory condor]

I wonder if one of the voyagers will ever be found by aliens eventually, but we'll probably never know, i would say unlikely given its one small object in a vast cosmos

[feral geyser]

They did include the records on them

[fervent garden]

It probably already has and is in some sort of container that imitates the galaxy

[feral geyser]

Alright, this is enjoyable, but I'm going to bed

It's a quarter till one

[fervent garden]

We'll continue later

It's 02:43 for me

Satisfactory is too addicting to sleepo

[feral geyser]

Ewww, mountain time?

[fervent garden]

Military time

I go by 24:00 not 12:00

[feral geyser]

Oh wait, that's central, I'm dumb

[fervent garden]

I don't even know my own time zone man it's alright

[mellow spruce]

For me its 10:00 LOL live in germany

[fervent garden]

@mellow spruce I was born in germany

[median geyser]

What do I make smokeless powder in? An assembler?

[fervent garden]

I moved when I was 2. I wanna go back and experience my history

@median geyser If you check the recipe thingy you should be able to see where

[median geyser]

what recipe thingy?

[fervent garden]

When you go to the map

Look up top where it says map, Look beside that it is to-do list, Next to the to-do list you have all your recipes you have unlocked. It shows where you can make it and what you need. @median geyser

[median geyser]

I think the UI on PC might be a good bit different. I found it though 🙏 Thanks, I didnt even know such a menu existed

[fervent garden]

You're welcome

Back to torturing my fucking life with trying to activate 6 coal gens!

Yay!

[median geyser]

I recently did my coal gene setup, what issue are you having?

[fervent garden]

No issues, It's just annoying

[median geyser]

Fair 😂

[fervent garden]

I only have to do coal left though which is easy

[sterile blade]

If you can access "hover menus/tips" (the ones popping up with info as you hover the mouse over something), those always have relevant info about the production of that item (inputs needed, machine, output/min...)

[median geyser]

Yeah but I dont have any to hover 😂

[fervent garden]

I have to go back home to get more iron plates BECAUSE WHY THE FUCK NOT. IT'S ALREADY FUCKING ME IN THE ASS WITH USING SO MANY MATERIALS AND NOW I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FOR FUCKING CONVEYERS. FUCK MY LIFE!!!!!

[sterile blade]

That's why I started with "if"
I don't play console 🤷‍♂️

If you can find a way to open those menus, you'll find them useful for (obove reasons)

[grizzled orchid]

You should go mercer sphere hunting and get some sam ore, would fix that issue.

[fervent garden]

Next to my base is a ravine with a pure node of sam ore

Idk what to use it with though

[green fiber]

Put it in the MAM

[sterile blade]

All misterious things go to: the MAM

[median geyser]

Oh we built in the same place I think. In the plains under the arch with the poison bushes?

[fervent garden]

Uhhhh

Idk how to describe it

I did the first map

My hub is at -292 2669, I think it's the same coordinates for every map

[grizzled orchid]

It is the sam, probably need nobleisks to access the node though

[median geyser]

You don't, we are def in the same place

Im built on the other side of the ravine, near the giant crater

Im using the same SAM site 😂

[fervent garden]

The giant crater? That's where my space elevator is

[grizzled orchid]

That's surprising, usually there is something there that requires grenades, that is handy then.

[median geyser]

Same

I just plopped my base right next to crater

[fervent garden]

I JUST WATCHED A SPIDER KILL ITSELF

[median geyser]

#screenshots message Lookin like this atm. Lots of resources around, if you're running out of stuff like foundation materials or conveyor materials, take some time to stack up a few miners

[fervent garden]

Why is your base so sophisticated

Mf make it messy

[median geyser]

Idk man stuff snaps together when you build on foundations so it looks clean 🤣

[mortal nexus]

You need more spaghetti.

[median geyser]

😭 I don wan spaghetti, I like lines I can see

Otherwise my dumbass gets confused

[sterile blade]

Is this messy enough?
#screenshots message

[sterile blade]

If there is one thing Satisfactory players can agree on, it's that to build nice one should first build on foundations...

[fervent garden]

WHY IS EVERYONES BASE SO FUCKING BEAUTIFUL

[mortal nexus]

I like spaghetti, i know where everything goes and it makes my base feel like my base

[grizzled orchid]

I just shove everything into the basement to give myself the illusion of it being clean on the topside

[south idol]

a container in the middle of a belt is destined to either always be empty or always be full

[sterile blade]

Because we spent >10x the time you've spent in the game and people don't often share their "worst" screenshots anyway :P

[mortal nexus]

I have been playing for 50 hours now and my base is such a mess but i cant be asked to clean it up tbh, i will just build over it and pretend it looks nice :3

[south idol]

the foundation of a good factory is foundation 😅

[fervent garden]

How do I check how much time I have played on xbox?

[mortal nexus]

At the saves it shows how long you played

[fervent garden]

Found it

Uhm

50 hours and 38 mins

[mortal nexus]

Nice

[fervent garden]

I have unlocked 15 achievements

[mortal nexus]

A few dont work for me yet sadly

[median geyser]

Im at around 120ish hours for reference. Admittedly, over 50 of those have been spent overnight doing nothing while my machines fill my reserve spaces

[fervent garden]

How does one unlock the "avoid touching the ground for 30 minutes"

[median geyser]

Probably the hover pack. its much later in the game

[fervent garden]

Is that in all or can I do it just all at once

I can unlock that shit by hopping on the penguin thing

[mortal nexus]

Maybe chilling on a ladder?

[grizzled orchid]

I assume over time , 30 minutes even with the hover pack feels a bit much

[sterile blade]

Is this messy enough?
#screenshots message
We all start somewhere, and it usually isn't a pretty start... 🤷‍♂️

[fervent garden]

WHAT IS THE SECRET ACHIEVEMENT

[median geyser]

😨 Ive just hit a spot where I need my conveyor bus to go upward. significantly. I am not prepared for this 😂

[fervent garden]

@sterile blade You sent me a pic from four years ago 😭

[sterile blade]

Learning the downsides of bussing is part of the SF life :)

[sterile blade]

That's roughly when I was in the same spot as you, in terms of game experience

[median geyser]

Is the downside hte migraine im about to get, or the realization that bussing isnt great at verticality and there was probably a better option?

[sterile blade]

Yes 😆

[median geyser]

WAIT

TRAINS

[sterile blade]

Autoconnect can make things much nicer, but busses do tend to need lots of beltwork to be managed

[median geyser]

LIKE ALL AUTISTIC PROBLEMS, TRAINS HAVE SAVED ME

[fervent garden]

If a memory card was upgraded to go in the brain do you think we could enhance our memory

[fervent garden]

AUTISM SAVED ME TOO WOOO

[median geyser]

Yeah its the connecting of the foundations that has me worried. I have blueprints for level ground, complete with pillars and framed-glass foundations, power mounts, etc. But I have no idea how I would handle the same layout on an angle

Oh god now I need to figure out how trains work 🧑‍🔧 What have I done

[fervent garden]

I CAN TEACH YOU

Rail. Train on rail. Optional train cart on rail. Power train. Train go CHOO CHOO @median geyser

Happy to help 😄

[median geyser]

wait so i need two stations? One for go and one for stop?

[reef basin]

yes, bus is horrible in sf

[reef basin]

though trains do something different than a bus

[median geyser]

For the time being, im just trying to make a single train go from my base to my oil field and back again, preferably with the materials i made at the field

[fervent garden]

I cut myself bad AND I CAN'T FIND ANY FUCKING BANDAIDS

Never using a knife on my foot again facing my knee

[median geyser]

So how do train tracks work? Do they need a foundation?

[reef basin]

no

[fervent garden]

Oh greenys awake

[median geyser]

Is there supports I can put under them to elevate them like I can with conveyors and pipes?

[fervent garden]

Uhhhh

You can make temporary supports

And delete after

[silk ocean]

Yes loads, check images on reddit or use foundations, awesome shop

[median geyser]

Oh so its just temporary supports and then rip them out?

[fervent garden]

You gotta place the custom temporary supports

Pillars do the job for me

[silk ocean]

Nah don't have to, looks better on proper foundations/supports

[somber monolith]

When making packaged diluted fuel I have put the exact amount of packages it needs per min is that good or bad should I put more?

[fervent garden]

When making things ALWAYS overfill it

[somber monolith]

By how much? Double, triple?

[reef basin]

simple way is to make a blueprint that has 1 refinery and 2 packagers, loop them with a belt and put like 20 canisters in that loop
save the blueprint and repeat it as many times as you need

[reef basin]

double/triple of what? 🤔

[somber monolith]

That’s what I’ve done but idk if it should have more packages than it says it needs or exactly that amount

It takes 60 PM and there’s 60 in the loop

[reef basin]

that's... not how it works

[somber monolith]

But my power is fluctuating

[reef basin]

you're comparing number per minute with absolute number of packages

[somber monolith]

Isn’t that how it works tho?

[reef basin]

no

[fervent garden]

I got a fucking gash on my leg as deep as my damn finger nail and my parents are snoring away 😭

[somber monolith]

So I should put more then?

[reef basin]

as I said, if you have a small loop like that, 10-20 canisters is probably just fine

[somber monolith]

Alr

[reef basin]

imagine it this way: look at one canister, it enters machine, gets processed, leaves machine, machine starts processing another one. The first canister you're looking at now needs to go through other machines until it reaches the first machine again. As soon as it does, that "time" it needed is time to do the whole loop, which gives you minimal number of canisters needed.

[near thicket]

So has Alien Tech rendered Tractors mostly pointless or is there still some niche they fufill?

[finite latch]

are alt recipes not all available? I can't scan anymore harddrives but I still haven't unlocked the fabric alt? I have only used about half of the hds on the map. so i feel like I am doing something wrong?

[leaden turret]

how else you gonna feel like a space farmer?

[reef basin]

why would it render it pointless?

[near thicket]

Well previously I only used them to ferry stuff to the mall, but the global storage kind of makes a mall conceptually obsolete for the most part

[reef basin]

alt recipes are available once you unlock their specific prerequisite, if you want spoilers, wiki has a list

[median geyser]

Can liquid biofuel not run a chainsaw?

[fervent garden]

Tractors come very early in the game and is a good way to get around with a top speed of 69 (hehe funny number) km/h it is a good early vehicle to traverse the lands

[reef basin]

well you can still do central storage if you want, but yeah, depots make it kinda obsolete.

that's not the only use for trucks though, so trucks aren't obsolete

[reef basin]

afaik no

[near thicket]

What else are they good for?

[reef basin]

shipping resources to factories?

[leaden turret]

global storage can't look pretty https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q=warehouse AND architecture

[reef basin]

any transportation that isn't final product

[fervent garden]

@reef basin Although, After one unlocks trains, technically tractors are useless.

[reef basin]

not really, trains take way more infrastructure to set up

[fervent garden]

But in the long game their worth it

[reef basin]

"worth" is subjective to the individual

[fervent garden]

Who wouldn't want choo choos?

[reef basin]

I wouldn't want to set up a train track to move ores some shorter distance if there's perfectly fine natural road and I can use truck for that

[fervent garden]

I find you guilty of hating choo choos.

[finite latch]

I have unlocked pretty much everything. I have nuclear unlocked. but still no fabric. I can make polymer resin, I can make micilia fabric.

[silk ocean]

The train route distance never even factors into my use of trains xD

[fervent garden]

CHOO CHOO HATER

[reef basin]

that's not what I said tho

[fervent garden]

No matter if it's 2 meters or 20,000 meters. Choo choos are superior

[reef basin]

my point is that all the different transportation methods have their place, it's not "brrrr just use trains everywhere"

[fervent garden]

Yeah but even ada loves choo choos.

[reef basin]

ADA also hates you so 🤷

[fervent garden]

Well I hate myself

So idrc

[silk ocean]

I just built a vast global train network. Need a station, just insert a path intersection and station. I find the use case for trucks to be non-existent in this scenario

[reef basin]

I find the "building of global train network ahead of time" to be a weird scenario 🤷

[median geyser]

😢 Im only halfway to the destination. Still need to find a return route too. These track lengths are way too small man

[silk ocean]

Wasn't really ahead of time, just expanded as and when required

[fervent garden]

If you use the "zoop" thing you can make them longer one at a time

[median geyser]

oh ik, i mean to total "zoopable" length

where it stops and says "this track is too long"

[silk ocean]

Building nice railways isn't too hard, just watch some YT videos on it

[fervent garden]

May I witness your train trackedness?

Idc if mine look nice or not. TRAINZ

[median geyser]

uh there currently is barely one. Im only around 800m into the first 1750m leg of the trip

Its in screenshots

[fervent garden]

I made a 2k road above ground just for me to get to my power plant way faster 😄

[somber monolith]

Anyone know why my power is fluctuating the top left gen’s are barley getting fuel #screenshots message

[fervent garden]

Oil I am guessing

[somber monolith]

What to do with the oil?

[fervent garden]

Is it oil plants is what I am asking

[somber monolith]

Yeah

[fervent garden]

Okay so

[somber monolith]

I filled it to max and it still dropped

[median geyser]

Are you lifting the fluids without pumps?

[fervent garden]

When you use oil plants, the liquid fills up the nearest first then goes down. If you want the farthest add another oil thing to get more into the oil plants. You can add it to the same pipe but it will refill the pipes faster with a second one

[somber monolith]

Wdym with a second one?

I don’t have more fuel production

[fervent garden]

You should use a second fuel node

It will fill those pipes faster

Once everything is full, the pipes fill last and then it goes in a circle and then everythings full

[somber monolith]

This isn’t meant for fuel I’m just burning the HOR left from the plastic / rubber production

[median geyser]

it looks like he's bringing in packaged fuel and decompressing. Thats why I asked about headlift, because i know pumps give you some, but im not sure about unpackers

Or are you outputting packaged?

[somber monolith]

It only goes down

[fervent garden]

Burning excess resources? Are you crazy? PUT THEM IN THE AWESOME SINK

[somber monolith]

Already sinking the plastic and rubber I don’t need more

It’s literally free power

[median geyser]

You must be burning more in the first few rows than you are outputting then? Thats the only reason a primed system would go down that I can think of

When in doubt, add a 2nd line to the other end and make a loop. Pray that the backflow fixes it 😂

[somber monolith]

I think I fixed it by turning it off and on again

[median geyser]

Classic

[somber monolith]

Ofc

Should I be using valves on fuel power lines?

[fervent garden]

What do valves do

[somber monolith]

Limit how much fuel goes into a pipe and I think block back flow but I’m not sure about that

[fervent garden]

Now why would you want that?

FILL THOSE PIPES UP!

[somber monolith]

I heard it breaks stuff so idk

Fluids are confusing

[fervent garden]

My pipes aren't backed up (That's what she said) and I keep them running at all times

Their just full of water which is what I want

[somber monolith]

What am I supposed to do with 26.667 HOR

[silk ocean]

HOR?

[fervent garden]

BUFFERS

[somber monolith]

Heavy Oil Residue

[silk ocean]

Under/overclock, or just use 26.667

[fervent garden]

@silk ocean Never use buffers unless for trains. Liquid buffers are literally the most useless fucking thing

[somber monolith]

It’s a by product of my computers do idk

[fervent garden]

Feed to doggos

[silk ocean]

I never use buffers apart from trains

[median geyser]

so uh... today I learned that you cant just ditch a train in a lake because you didnt build the station it stops at yet... my plan was to jump out and disassemble it 😂

[fervent garden]

Yep

[silk ocean]

I wouldn't say buffers are useless, they are just used where they are not designed to be used

[fervent garden]

MY COAL GENS ARE GOING TO BE ACTIVATED SOON!!!

6 HOURS OF WORK AND I ALMOST HAVE 6 COAL GENS RUNNING!

Mk1 conveyers are so slowwwww.....

[median geyser]

Can you do split tracks with trains? I wanted to do a loop to send my train back down the same line to save resources

[fervent garden]

I have mk2 unlocked but I no wanna go back and grab my stash of reinforced iron plates

[fervent garden]

You can!

Although I forgot how.

I figured it out one time and I forgot how

It's so close to my masterpiece being turned on..

FIVE SECONDS

Maybe 6 coal gens is too much

It's not really working except the first two. I had to put the coal in the rest myself

What if I use the other two gens and put them on the other side. Then it's just the middle two the don't work

That*

Use the other two coal thingies

[scenic mirage]

are you using a manifold?

[fervent garden]

The fuck is a manifold

@scenic mirage

[silk ocean]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Manifold

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message

[fervent garden]

I have that except it's splitters

[scenic mirage]

ye those are splitters. the first coal generators have to fill up first, then the rest will fill up

[fervent garden]

They go through coal faster than I can fill them

Do I just have to be patient?

[scenic mirage]

ah yeah 6 coal gens uses 90 coal/min, youre using mk1 conveyors right?

[fervent garden]

3/6 are powered now

Yeah

[scenic mirage]

do you have mk2

[fervent garden]

I have the stuff for mk2

[scenic mirage]

give mk2 a try

[fervent garden]

I need to repower my automation to make those iron plates

[silk ocean]

Don't worry about the boot time on a manifold, if it's running continually then a few minutes is irrelevant

[fervent garden]

I don't think I have manifolds unlocked

[silk ocean]

There's no specific "manifold" to unlock, it's just built with splitters and mergers

It's a design concept rather than a specific object

[fervent garden]

The screenshot lazars showed me is exactly what I have

It's just filling 6 coal gens SO SLOW

[scenic mirage]

thats pretty normal, you're limited by mk1 conveyors

[silk ocean]

It fills the internal buffers so it will take time to propagate down the manifold but as long as you are inputting enough it will get there eventually

[scenic mirage]

you could use portable miners and fill the coal gens faster

[fervent garden]

I have 4 coal nodes pumping infinite coal but it's just so slow to get there

[scenic mirage]

theres no way to do 6 coal gens without mk2 conveyors though

[silk ocean]

Just go build something else and come back later

[fervent garden]

Alright well when I repower my automators for reinforced iron plates, I can start replacing the mk1s with mk2s

[silk ocean]

Tell him to buy the game

[fervent garden]

You're telling us about something illegal?

You do realize we can report you both right-

[brazen wraith]

Don’t know about satisfactory specifically but the answer is pretty much always no

[fervent garden]

Pirating games is a crime. Sometimes even federal. You talking about it and not reporting is called being an accesory to the crime.

Aston I am being serious, It's law.

[silk ocean]

Literally can't believe you come in here, say that, and expect support lol

[fervent garden]

I should report him to be honest.

[brazen wraith]

Sorry to break it to ya but the feds aren’t coming after anyone for game piracy

[fervent garden]

If I knew him irl I would report to the police.

[silk ocean]

It's even fairly priced game - buy it. Simple

[brazen wraith]

🤣 dude the police DO NOT care bro

[fervent garden]

I said SOMETIMES federal, Some pirated games can be federal

[fervent garden]

They do where I am

[scenic mirage]

try buying the actual game?