satisfactory

[sinful bobcat]

And 1200 concrete per minute.

[shy mulch]

Point 1 - Everyone makes factories at wildly different sizes. You can't really judge if something is a "starter" factory based on power usage, more based on tier/phase
Point 2 - You absolutely can make far more power than that from coal, or fuel, or anything really

[sinful bobcat]

Sadly was on nuclear last save, but the game corrupted itself and died

[shy mulch]

Why are you making so much stuff so early on?

[sinful bobcat]

Because… last save me and my friend ran into the issue of “our old basic tier-1 Tier-2 basic factories just didn’t produce enough

When you place blueprints that have 800 concrete in them… it tends to happen

[shy mulch]

btw, rule #1 of satisfactory, if you think you've put too much time into the game, there is definitely someone who has spent 4x as much time as you, and there is another person who has spent 4x as much time as that person, so don't worry about it

[whole drum]

Sure, you can overkill your starter factory and force yourself into unnecessary power issues, but honestly it's better to just build what you need until you have mk2 miners, mk3 belts, mk2 pipes, and some power cores for clocking.

From this point, it's reasonable to redo your starter factory to take full advantage of the resource nodes there and then expand out.

You don't have to do this, but you kinda should if you just want a smoother experience.

[sinful bobcat]

I crave torture

[shy mulch]

that's definitely an extreme example, very few people need that much stuff, and you're at very early phase, if you're spending a lot of time at early game and you're happy then go for it, but it might be wise to push forward through the tiers and get some bigger power first if you're expecting to have a lot of things to power

[sinful bobcat]

It’s also because I build pretty, and don’t use train pillars

[shy mulch]

It does seem a bit of a juxtaposition that you are building absolutely massive production, but somehow seem to think a moderately sized coal plant is "impossible"

[dawn kelp]

Is it possible to set two trains to run on a single round track? If so, how do I use the signaling devices to make it so that my trains dont collide?

[whole drum]

Depending on start location, coal may be a little more scarce early on

[sinful bobcat]

It can be done with compacted coal power and basic fuel power

[shy mulch]

it can be done with anything at all, very easily

[sinful bobcat]

But time and space and access to resources without global train network

[shy mulch]

just put block signals at intervals along the line, a train won't enter a block that already contains another train

[whole drum]

I almost never build trains

[sinful bobcat]

Build a global train network

[dawn kelp]

Block signals, okay, thank you

[whole drum]

They are very cumbersome and belts are easy

[sinful bobcat]

It’s gotta be the most useful thing ever

[whole drum]

Belts are also consistent

[sinful bobcat]

Sticky belt highways

[unkempt blade]

I saw a license plate that was just "TRAINS" earlier this week and I thought of you all

[shy mulch]

building a 7000 MW coal plant would take roughly the same time as building a 1200/min concrete factory

[whole drum]

Not saying you can't or shouldn't use trains. I just don't like them much.

[shy mulch]

if you can do one, you can do the other

[sinful bobcat]

I don’t like belt highways because they are hard to make look good over long distances

[whole drum]

Just enclose them

[sinful bobcat]

Trains look good naturally on their own

[silk ocean]

Long belts everywhere is a bad idea, you're more likely to sooner hit the object count limit

Def use trains xD

[sinful bobcat]

Object limit is 2 million

Trust me you won’t hit it.

[whole drum]

I generally don't fuss over belt highways much, but you could make it literally a belt highway where you build them at ground level and build roads over the top of them for your car/truck.

[silk ocean]

Someone here today just hit it

[sinful bobcat]

The last save I did was just over 600,000 parts

Trains do create lag too, but not as much as trucks but still trucks are cool

[shy mulch]

I wish I could see my object count, I'm convinced that I can't be far away from it, but I have no way to know. I asked before and the answer I got was that you know when you hit it because the game crashes, or you can use mods to tell you. But I don't want to install any mods, so I'm just flying blind and hoping I'm not close to the limit

[iron idol]

Screws SUCK

[unkempt blade]

computer power be damned, you need vehicles everywhere or the game is unplayable!

[whole drum]

If your collective factory doesn't look like Josh's from LGIO, you're probably not close to it

[shy mulch]

screws are life

[sinful bobcat]

Throw it into Calc

[sinful bobcat]

That’s why I server rent, I got 128 gigs or ram and shit

[shy mulch]

mine is a lot more tidy, but in terms of scale, mines probably bigger

[shy mulch]

I couldn't see anywhere in there that tells me the object count, can you explain exactly where I see that?

[tough trellis]

Hello everyone Ive just started playing today!

[sinful bobcat]

You just gotta count the objects in the different areas

[whole drum]

When you get the Steel Screws alt recipe, it's easy to make more than you could use

[unkempt blade]

yeah I have a dedi running on another computer but it never feels like it comes close to using its resource limit

[sinful bobcat]

Calc tells you how many X type of foundation you have

Satisfactory is stable, the engine isn’t stable enough for satisfactory

[silk ocean]

Seems stable to me, never get any crashes

[tough trellis]

Is it normal to find like 4 iron nodes in one place? I have 4 within very close proximity to where I started, kinda doesnt leave room for production... lol

[sinful bobcat]

There are things that unreal just dies too

Navmesh moment

[whole drum]

I get crashes, but I don't think it's inherently the game. I think it just doesn't like Linux.

They are rare tho

[sinful bobcat]

No games like Linux

[whole drum]

Many more do than don't these days

[sinful bobcat]

Anti cheat moment

[whole drum]

Proton is huge

[sinful bobcat]

True

[shy mulch]

that won't necessarily be accurate, because belts in different shapes can be different numbers of objects depending on how they are constructed, even if they are the same length, rail tracks may count as different amounts per length depending on how they are laid etc

[sinful bobcat]

You won’t get belt, pipe, or wire count but you will get everything else

[whole drum]

I really wouldn't sweat the limit

[sinful bobcat]

The limit is very hard to hit even when building pretty with a bunch of extra objects

[shy mulch]

so you can't really tell from calc then?

[sinful bobcat]

And if you experience crashes it’s because of connection and or too many logic things close together for your pc to handle

[sinful bobcat]

Put it in Calc, and select the entire map

Should give you the total part count

[whole drum]

Although I wonder... is the limit the total on the map? Or just stuff you construct? If clearing trees/bushes/slugs/etc reduces the count, that can actually extend your factory size quite a bit.

[shy mulch]

I'll be very surprised if my browser doesn't crash, but I'll try lol

[sinful bobcat]

Assists the player makes

[sinful bobcat]

It may kill itself

[shy mulch]

sometimes my browser crashes just trying to load my save in scim 🙁

[sinful bobcat]

Yeah… same

You got any ram limiters or hardware accel off?

[silk ocean]

I can't remember the last time literally anything has crashed, guess I'm lucky to have a ludicrously stable computer

[tough trellis]

I built mine, I dont see crashes being an issue

[dim cradle]

Okay yeah big power lines are really good. I'm basically just going geo vent to geo vent and just plopping down the generator, and it's so easy because I just grind to it

[sinful bobcat]

I do believe using Calc can lead to crashes later on

[silk ocean]

I have friends who built too and they seem to get loads of crashes

Possibly if you modify the save yeah

[sinful bobcat]

I know the game knows when the file has been modified form outside forces

[dim cradle]

thanks for the tip whoever it was

[silk ocean]

That's kinda a different class of crash - not a stability related crash but due to external interference etc

[sinful bobcat]

I think that’s what happened to my save

[shy mulch]

just tried this, it doesn't count power lines at all

[sinful bobcat]

Slowly died over the hours

[silk ocean]

And now that I have said my PC is stable AF, tomorrow it will explode

[sinful bobcat]

Does it matter it’s a negligible number at that point statistically

[dim cradle]

Hmm... I think my computer would be ok with mostly anything, got a 9800X3D and some tuned 64GB sticks

[shy mulch]

I have 286Km of power lines, I wouldn't say that's negligible

[charred sandal]

Is it a bad idea to run my water from alum scrap back into itself?

I could just put a valve on the fresh water once the system is saturated right?

[dim cradle]

5070 Ti should be fine on the GPU side, since my 4090's chugging at the AI garbage

[sinful bobcat]

Probably 5k parts

[dim cradle]

Does the game really care about static parts much?

I would think power lines would be pretty basic

[shy mulch]

so on average 50m of power line = 1 part? that seems unlikely, a lot of my power lines are extremely short

[whole drum]

It's weird. Have had it work fine and have it just utterly fail to cooperate.

[dim cradle]

The only time I've had this game crash is when I was working with blueprints a lot

no idea wtf that does

I feel like there's some sort of memory leak with the blueprint maker or something. It gets really bad the more I deconstruct in there

[white dawn]

I personally recommend keeping the fresh + recycled pipe systems totally separate (under/overclock as needed), but yeah, entirely possible to do

[ornate saffron]

Its less of a headache to use the byproduct water for something else. wet cement is a great way to use it.

[whole drum]

Sounds like it just spikes your CPU too hard

[silk ocean]

Is it actually progressively consuming more and more memory?

[kind dome]

can you put hypertubes upside down? i swear ive seen it beofre but idk if it was a mod

[white dawn]

(Personally I never do it any other way; I don't like having the recycled fluid going somewhere else)

[dim cradle]

So I was playing around with blueprints almost all day just making kind of complicated stuff... every deconstruction it was lagging more and more, like I could feel it

[ornate saffron]

@charred sandal you can make feeding back in work though

[dim cradle]

Idk if it was using more memory, no, but it was definitely bogging down with every deconstruction of a big plan

[charred sandal]

All right. thanks guys

[rose crater]

Maybe a silly question, and I've seen some answers above....but I cannot find glass foundations in the awesome shop...I'm currently in phase 4 and have most of the MAM unlocked. Any suggestions?

[white dawn]

If you do want to combine the fresh and recycled fluids, that can be done, but you'd want to build a VIP junction to handle it, and the construction of those can be very picky

[charred sandal]

Do more things unlock in the awesome shop the farther in u r? :3

[silk ocean]

Doubt it's a memory leak then, and memory leaks don't induce lag always, it's just undestroyed objects

[white dawn]

(and kind of relies on some quirks of the current fluid simulation to work)

Search the wiki for "pipeline manual" for some info on building those, if you want to go for it anyway

[whole drum]

It kind of sounds like the VRAM isn't dumping after it's done decon'ing

[whole drum]

I think if you put the recycled water lower than the fresh, it should use that first, no?

[ornate saffron]

If you go the feed back root. Keep your fresh water line seprate from the by product. You will get exactly half the water needed for alumni solution as a by product from the scrap. So if you have four refineries making solution. Feed the solution into four scrap refineries then take all the by product water and feed it back into 2 of your solution refineries.

[charred sandal]

Im doing instant scrap, but I think ill just make wet cement

[shy mulch]

I don't think there is glass foundations, but there are glass roof objects, some of which can be set to flat, if that might work for you

[whole drum]

Yes. I use these as "foundation" all the time.

[dim cradle]

The game itself, engine wise would run smoothly AFTER the deconstruction, but during the deconstruction of each blueprint I just noticed that each one made started being more and more laggy. Not sure what's up with that. Some kind of leak.

[rose crater]

Yeah, I've unlocked the glass roof already, but the foundation is different for sure.

[dim cradle]

@ornate saffron was it you that suggested the huge power towers and grind approach to exploration? Have to admit this is really nice, especially now that I'm grabbing every geo source. This makes it so easy thanks

[ornate saffron]

I like the wet concrete as you always need concrete and you can sink it.

[charred sandal]

Fluid sinks when

[ornate saffron]

Ya, i really like it

[whole drum]

Lime is just about everywhere too

[white dawn]

You mean in the VIP layout?

[dim cradle]

That's actually kinda funny I was thinking lime felt a lot more rare than iron, esp pure sources

[sinful bobcat]

that really depends, 1 part per machine, then do an average calculation for the total length (It should be close to accurate since we are assuming all wire is X length, but we are not removing wires to machines in the total wire length)

[white dawn]

For a couple of examples of what I mean about keeping them separate, btw: #math-and-meta message - The first image is a small vanilla-recipe setup; the second is a sloppy+electrode setup

[candid torrent]

i love sloppy electrode

god bless sloppy electrode

[sinful bobcat]

[whole drum]

In the Awesome Shop, go to Architecture, and select "Structural Frame Set"

[shy mulch]

chrome is using 7.2GB of RAM trying to display my save in SCIM 😒

it's going soooo slowly

[whole drum]

Not sure what that is. I mean having the recycled water join the feed pipe at a lower elevation than the fresh water does.

[candid torrent]

nice of it to only use 7.2

[white dawn]

I wouldn't personally want to rely on that behavior, honestly. It's not impossible that you can end up with a system that works, but it'd depend a lot on the exact details of how you built pipes, and might be difficult to reproduce

(And if it breaks in the future, debugging could be difficult)

[tough trellis]

Im really liking this game so far, I love making things efficient

[rose crater]

Ok..just found it...already had the structural frame unlocked....I was looking in the build menu under foundation and not architecture... my bad :-p ❤️

[candid torrent]

idk about yall but i think valves are incredibly helpful for those vip things

[white dawn]

By "VIP" I mean the "VIP Junction" as described in the pipeline manual: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/Pipeline_Manual.pdf

[whole drum]

The basic setup is to fill it up, run the machine until the leftover fills up, then downclock the water extractor to match the input of the recycled water.

But yeah, it can be a headache if it fails for some reason.

[white dawn]

If you are going to combine fresh+recycled into the same pipe setup, I'd highly recommend setting up a VIP to do it. That's the most reliable way we know to ensure that the recycled doesn't back up

[candid torrent]

metamancers hate valves but restricting pipeline flow to one direction is SO helpful

[white dawn]

Though the VIP itself is quite sensitive to the specifics of how you build it, too.

[dim cradle]

what's a VIP?

[candid torrent]

very important pipe hehe

[white dawn]

They can work fine once you've got it working (KYO297 is probably their biggest proponent in here at the moment; can ask them for build advice perhaps, if you like). Personally I just don't bother though -- IMO keeping the pipe systems totally separate is by far the better solution

[white dawn]

See my post a few lines up. :) #satisfactory message

[candid torrent]

it’s kind of like a priority merger

but wet

[white dawn]

Pipes like being simple; VIPs (and most of the other more complex junctions described in the manual) tend to go against that advice

[whole drum]

I don't see where it mentions "VIP"

[dim cradle]

Is the bottom output supposed actually be level with the bottom of the water source or is that just a coincidence of the drawing

[whole drum]

Usually it just matches the draw point, but you can manipulate it with vertical pipes and pipe junctions

[white dawn]

Should be able to Ctrl-F and search for "VIP". Looks like it's page 16

[dim cradle]

I know that gravity is pretty important for piping lol my entire stupid "sky dispenser" uses nothing but gravity to pump that oil down. #screenshots message

I probably need to try some of these ideas to actually separate it out into subvalves though, thanks🤔

[white dawn]

Though again: note that the author of that doc has ended up not particularly recommending their use. They can work quite well, once build "properly," but it relies on various weird bits of the current fluid simulation, and avoiding situations where you "need" them is often a lot simpler instead

[whole drum]

Oh, I see. I guess we were talking about the same thing. I've just never seen this manual before.

[white dawn]

It's a good read for sure! Though many of us tend to recommend not really using much of anything that's in there. :D

[whole drum]

Agree. It's good to have the tools in the box, though.

[reef basin]

the manual isn't really "you should build this way", more like "this is possible if you want to do something wild, but in general stick to basic principles" 🙂

[spark sky]

Okay, so painting a ladder with two-tone paint only colors the rungs and side rails whatever the primary color is, the secondary color doesn't matter.

[dim cradle]

hmm what's the part that doesn't work, are flow control valves just finnicky?

[reef basin]

valves are pointless to use

[dim cradle]

or the water collecting in the bottom part behind the flow control valve

[whole drum]

In 99.99% cases, total agree

[spark sky]

Oh, but I can have Caterium and Copper ladders.

[reef basin]

I wouldn't recommend valves anywhere

[white dawn]

It is worth noting that often times the advice some of us give are very much geared to helping folks who are specifically coming in with fluid problems, and simplifying their pipe networks is nearly always a great way to get their fluids flowing again

[reef basin]

eh, 100% imo

[white dawn]

Like if you're willing to put in the debugging and testing time, you can get working fluid situations which go against most of our "simplification" advice

[dim cradle]

I don't think my rubber and plastic refinery is bad, just dumb >.>

[reef basin]

yeah , you can get things working in many weird ways, we're just recommending the quick'n'easy pipes that work in practically all cases

[whole drum]

Yeah, it sort of has that issue of "If you know how it works, you probably wouldn't need the help. If you don't know, you should use a simple system anyway."

[white dawn]

But many of us tend to be focused on "I've built this monstrosity of a pipe system and it's not working," and the most straightforward solutions tends to be to strip 'em down to more simplicity

[dim cradle]

at least it works (TM)

[spark sky]

So, sometimes "complification" works?

[shy mulch]

"it works for me"

[reef basin]

almost anything can work 🙂

[dim cradle]

complification always works if you're really good (and also bad) at the game

ah crap I just bombed another doggo

[charred sandal]

I never know how much to make.

Like, im about to make me first aluminum factory. And I can comfortable make it like 1200 ingots/min. But I have no idea if thats way way over kill or not

[reef basin]

don't make for the future. Make what you need now. In the future you'll make what you need in the future

[white dawn]

"Stella! Another one of these damn doggos jumped in front of my nobelisk!"

[spark sky]

That first instance is like Jack Benny on the violin. He was actually so good with the violin that he could make it sound aweful. I'm sure someone who is very, very good at Satisfactory can make it look aweful while making it work better than ever.

[dim cradle]

I don't think anything is ever overkill, you can always use it somewhere later

[heavy anvil]

or sink it!

[whole drum]

You can always sink excess

[shy mulch]

it's 1200/min too many
you need 0, right now
when you need aluminum to be used in something else, then you'll know how much you need

[white dawn]

I'm spinning madly offtopic, btw, but if you've not heard it yet, do yourself the favor of searching for "Portsmouth Sinfonia". Time well spent!

[whole drum]

Building for the future is more for subsequent playthroughs where you're familiar with the math on most of the common recipes

[dim cradle]

I should stop making factory lines when I'm falling asleep. #screenshots message

I made this earlier and then asked about it and realized I kind of went full stupid on it because I could have just used the residual rubber recipe to get the feedback loop started.

[spark sky]

Whenever I think about the Awesome shop, I get a Sinking feeling.

[dim cradle]

Giga derp spaghettios

[heavy anvil]

society would be thousands of years advanced if you could sink fluids directly

[tough trellis]

I love dad jokes xD

[dim cradle]

somehow on this entire runthrough I've been bombing literally everything and it's never ever happened until basically today and yesterday

Doggos are suicidal, they know they're just in a simulation

AI is real

[heavy anvil]

do they travel up the reality when they die like inception

[dim cradle]

they'll go down a reality and be inside of a game inside of this game

[heavy anvil]

a race to the bottom then

[dim cradle]

Eventually they'll end up in an isekai light novel

[shy mulch]

I put the total buildable counts from SCIM along with details of some of the stuff that SCIM doesn't count into chatGPT and asked it to estimate my object count, and it tells me that I'm probably around 550k-600k, which feels plausible enough

[dim cradle]

With a 300 word title, inside of the game

[spark sky]

Ouch! How do you even write sheet music for that? I thought P.D.Q. Bach had some stuff that was bad, but this is even worse.

[heavy anvil]

will we ever get an offcial copy of "a pioneers guide to fluid mechanics"

[charred sandal]

#screenshots messageI

I really thought id be able to get two in here

[shy mulch]

it's no rush E

[spark sky]

(Or better, depending on how you look at it.)

[dim cradle]

Which song would you recommend to sample

[candid torrent]

fun fact! nothing that works is dumb

[iron idol]

I don't have arachnophobia, but I HATE HATE HATE STINGERS

[charred sandal]

Should meet my co-workers

[iron idol]

Especially when I don't one to be there

[shy mulch]

I wonder if I could build a tribute to RUSH E in my satisfactory world, no idea what such a monstrosity would look like

[heavy anvil]

i dont have arachnophobia, i think the cats are funnier and also somehow scarier than stingers

[candid torrent]

💀 point taken

[dim cradle]

Stingers are just the most annoying enemy in the game easily, literally 50 meter jump distance btw. And they can just spawn in out of nowhere

[candid torrent]

those GIANT green poison ones that jump at you in the red forest 😍😍

[heavy anvil]

was there also radioactive ones?

[candid torrent]

idk tbh i’ve only met radioactive hogs

[heavy anvil]

hog ragdolls are awesome

[iron idol]

It basically turns them into nextbots

[heavy anvil]

yeah and its awesome

whos cats are they tho

[white dawn]

I tend to keep arachnophobia mode on more as a bit of a stinger nerf, honestly -- the cats are a lot easier to see in dense vegetation

[wicked nacelle]

It’s definitely creepier

[dim cradle]

if I ever break a path into a long tunnel

[white dawn]

The "jumping out at you from nowhere" thing kind of goes away (or at least gets better) when they don't blend in as well

[dim cradle]

I can darn well be sure there's freaking giant green spider at the end of it

[heavy anvil]

i have my audio off so i get shoved off cliffs by them alot

[whole drum]

Almost nothing in games gives me jump-scares, but those sometimes do

[charred sandal]

When I use instant scrap in the planner, it doesnt account for needing sulfuric acid....any idea why?

#screenshots message

[white dawn]

That calculator can't deal with loopbacks; it's pretty limited as a solver

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production <- this one tends to be the most-recommended calculator/solver in these parts

[charred sandal]

Im not trying to use it for loop backs :3 i just dont get why it ignores sulfuric acid entirely lol

thanks. ill use that one

[white dawn]

(Folks like Modeller for factory planning as well, but that's not really a calculator/solver)

[white dawn]

It's deficient in various ways, in the end. It does an okay job for earlier-game factory plans but can fall apart pretty badly for later ones

[unkempt imp]

Did the devs on purpose change the name of aluminium to aluminum?

[charred sandal]

Is there a way to make it not default to using a bunch of alt recipes

[white dawn]

Deselect the recipes you don't want. :D

It's got a set of weights it applies to the various raw resources, and attempts to minimize resource usage based on that criteria

So it can end up preferring some recipes over others. The graphs will update as you change the available recipes, though, so if it's landing on something you don't want, can just disable the recipe(s) in question and it'll recompute

[iron idol]

Probably the devs's

[white dawn]

(Can also enable/disable raw resources, or even machine type, if you like. Also note for more advanced factory planning that you can define any resource as an "input," in case you want to plan a factory which is importing material from elsewhere, etc.)

[tough trellis]

they REALLY nailed theQuality of Life features in this game holy moly

[charred sandal]

I cant get it to do instant scrap 🙁

[white dawn]

Honestly the game does seem to target America for whatever reason. I seem to think that there's not even an official Swedish translation?

[tough trellis]

Oh me and my roommate have 4 cats 🙂

[white dawn]

The Steam release video (for Update 3.5) makes an aluminum vs. aluminium joke

[whole drum]

But think of the collective savings of not using so many extra "i"s

[unkempt imp]

in what language is aluminum correct? not in america.

[whole drum]

Yes, in America

[tough trellis]

it is certainly used here in the states

[unkempt imp]

wtf

sounds so weird

[whole drum]

What's the old joke?
In Britain they speak the King's English.
In America they speak God's.

[tough trellis]

Im unaware of that joke lol

[whole drum]

😄

[tough trellis]

But I know British people say aluminium

[whole drum]

Yeah, they usually do

[tough trellis]

But Im pretty sure they are actually two different things right?

[whole drum]

Nah

It's the same thing

[tough trellis]

Oh ok. I remember looking it up to stop some british guy from ragebaiting me

but that was some time ago

[whole drum]

It's like "chips" vs "crisps"

[tough trellis]

oh boy xD

[cunning siren]

Make a panic room blueprint 🤷 or build those walls with doors, it seems the mobs hate doors 😆 they don't understand them so players can cheese with them. Peekaboo, reload

[whole drum]

Do it the other way. Portable prisons.

Trap them in a box

[cunning siren]

It's simpler to put me in the room than the other way

[whole drum]

So I decided to check out the manual in more depth since I didn't know it existed--I don't think I can recommend them to anyone, lol. They have use if you know what you are doing, but that won't help someone who doesn't. lol

[reef basin]

the point is that 100% of the things that "need" valve have more reliable and easier solutions without it

obviously you can make a case of "I've built something very weird and it needs a valve", but that's not my point

[hushed canopy]

gonna make a bit of larger turbofuel power plant

[reef basin]

do nuclear instead 🙂

[hushed canopy]

i need more power to build nuclear ahh

[silk ocean]

Number of valves in my fac.... zero xD

[hushed canopy]

i have 600 fuel coming from 2 sides so 1200 total

making that into 250 turbofuel on each side, so 500 total

[candid torrent]

nuclear power is awesome if u can afford to power all the shit that goes into it

[hushed canopy]

now i am worried about the darn 600 consumption sinse i will manifold the pipes on each side

how do i stop the trickling problem at the end, since that is still an issue in my other power plant

the last 2 aint filling up proper

and likely wont here as well

[candid torrent]

idk how well it’d work but maybe a feedback loop?

[hushed canopy]

i did slap another pipe ontop of it in the old one but that didnt help

[candid torrent]

hm

[hushed canopy]

im thinking if i should divide the inputs once more so it would only be 300 to 300 on each segment

might do the trick, but requires a bit more space

[mellow spruce]

Do you guys now when Satisfactory will be release on console i know the date but not the time

[spark sky]

Why does power storage allow two connections (but doesn't show that it can, no dots) while generators can only have one connection?

[tough trellis]

ah, young grasshopper, let me teach you the ways of game releases. when you see a release date for a game, usually you dont see a time because it will release exactly at midnight when it turns to that day

I see youve never been to gamestop for a midnight release xD

[reef basin]

because of game design choice. It's easy to connect everything to power poles anyway

[spark sky]

Well, midnight where?

[tough trellis]

usually its always the regions specific midnight

[spark sky]

What if I don't want power poles where I'm building.

[reef basin]

then use wall sockets

[tough trellis]

As in its rolled out on midnight in any given timezone

[mellow spruce]

I do not have a gamestop im live in Germany and there is every gamestop closed

[tough trellis]

Oh I see xD sorry about that

[spark sky]

Usually it's midnight where the home servers are.

[mellow spruce]

In germany we say Bankrott

[tough trellis]

or that, yeah

[spark sky]

If those are on the East Coast, then midnight EST, if on the West Coast, PST.

[tough trellis]

I honestly think it depends on how big the studio working on the game is, nintendo always did it via timezone, smaller studios tend to release on their midnight

[mellow spruce]

I have MESZ

[quick barn]

2 pm Sweeden time was what I was told

[whole drum]

EST is 3 hours ahead of PST
Time zones go:
Pacific -> Mountain -> Central -> Eastern

[mellow spruce]

We dont have Am or Pm

[quick barn]

sorry - 14:00 sweeden time was what I was told

[spark sky]

What do you call afternoon?

[quick barn]

afternoon is for people with 12 hour clocks

[mellow spruce]

We have 12Uhr 13 Uhr 14Uhr 15 Uhr 16uhr 17uhr 18uhr 19uhr 20uhr 21uhr 22uhr 23uhr 0uhr

[spark sky]

Yeah, most clocks here are 12-hour

[mellow spruce]

Uhr =clock

[spark sky]

Yah, das ist Deutsch, auber Deutsch also haben nachmittag.

[open jay]

I am new and I know lot of people use some app for planing, what is better, Satisfacotry Tools (on website) or Satisfactory modeler (on steam)

[spark sky]

Sorry if I butchered the German.

[mellow spruce]

Yes after 12Uhr its afternoon or in germany Nachmittag

[spark sky]

Here, if you're not in the millitary, an airline pilot, or an Amateur (HAM) Radio Operator, you probably don't understand 24-hour time.

[reef basin]

12h clocks should be removed

[spark sky]

Shoot, they don't even teach the ability to read analog clocks any more.

Or Roman Numerals.

(Well, here at least. They don't teach a lot of things now.)

In Satisfactory, I'm not sure what kind of clock you would have, as day/night are kind of odd, with all those things in the sky. Are there two stars?

[candid torrent]

digital for maximum efficiency

[reef basin]

some digital have am/pm as well

[whole drum]

Swatch attempted a metric, standardized time back in the early 2000's, but it didn't catch on

[spark sky]

I can glance at analog faster than reading digital.

[mellow spruce]

Yeah the german education system is trash i got like over 7 years English lessons and you learn nothing about the life after the school not even how is do taxs

[candid torrent]

idk how u would do a clock actually

how would a clock work on a different planet

[reef basin]

well, since time is human-invented thing, probably the same - you'd say "this is one second", or something like that, and boom, new time standard is born

[whole drum]

You either standardize it accoring to Earth time or you do it according ot its own planetary cycles--how we got Earth time in the first place

[quick barn]

If its a 24 hour setup I doubt that holds true.

[candid torrent]

earth time is worthless on a different planet idk

i guess i can’t wrap my head around a second not being a second

[reef basin]

unless communication between planets is required

[whole drum]

No, you just measure the day and night in terms of Earth hours

[quick barn]

I'd LOVE to see time zones go away and we just as a species use UTC/GMT/Zulu

0800 is the same time worldwide

localities just get used to 1700 being morning

[whole drum]

I wouldn't mind ditching zones either

[quick barn]

eliminate the majority of time math

But we arent ready for it - too many smooth brains

[whole drum]

I've made this argument to others as well

[quick barn]

Part of why I brought it up - i could tell you had similar thoughts

[spark sky]

I wouldn't mind that, but I'm a HAM Radio Operator.

[white dawn]

It's not "smooth brain" to want the convenience of being able to look at a local time wherever you are and know about what time of the day it is

[whole drum]

I think the real reason they aren't so easy to get rid of is that they were meant to standardize the day cycle so 7-10am meant the sun was coming up no matter where you were

[white dawn]

Advocate for universal UTC all you want, but don't imply that people who don't want it are somehow dumb

[quick barn]

Would would get used to it - its just hard to pivot because of the momentum the current path has.

[spark sky]

It would eliminate all this Daylight Savings Time flipflopping. The cows don't care what the clock says, they want to be milked the same (GMT) every morning year round.

[quick barn]

It would solve more than it disrupts

[white dawn]

But regardless, insulting people who don't want the change as "smooth brain" is both unfair and inappropriate

[quick barn]

DST is awful.
The folks that want it permanent are worse.

DST should be eliminated.

[white dawn]

I'm ambivalent about your suggestion; what I'm addressing is the tone of voice you're using to advocate for it. :)

[quick barn]

Enjoy that!

[white dawn]

#rules the first: • Be kind and respectful to others.

I will, in fact, enjoy keeping the tone of conversation in here civil and respectful. :)

[quick barn]

Thats abundantly clear

[spark sky]

Okay, so, back to Satisfactory, after all, this is #satisfactory

[quick barn]

Couldnt be more hyped for Tuesday

[spark sky]

Well, as long as my PS5 is still in the closet in the sealed box waiting for me to finish my desk, and I don't have the money to spare, I'm glad for those who can get it on console. I'll just leave it at that.

[reef basin]

buy a PC instead of a console, never have to wait 😛

[quick barn]

You PCMR folks are tired

[whole drum]

For those that play, POE1 launches new season in a day and a half

[quick barn]

I have 1200+ hours in this game on PC. I dont need a pc

[reef basin]

I'm not tired, I just woke up a few hours back

[spark sky]

Satisfactory plays on my poor old gaming laptop just fine. I only need a new PC for other games that need 32 GB of RAM.

(And I probably already own any of those I want to play on PS4/PS5.)

[whole drum]

I just have a nice PC so I don't have to deal with consoles and it will outlast them

[quick barn]

I have all the things because i like having the things. Gaming on a console is so much better day to day than dinking around with a PC - thought its gotten a lot better.

[dim cradle]

Hmm what do yall think, Adhered Iron Plate or Plastic AI Limiter, both are tempting 🤔

[quick barn]

A PC on a TV is still not fully console-style ready yet.

[reef basin]

gaming on console is the same as hooking a controller to a PC lol

[whole drum]

If you have a high enough quality TV it can be

[dim cradle]

And yeah I don't do consoles anymore, the Switch is the only one kind of worth it for the exclusives, but frankly for almost same price you can get a decent gaming laptop

[quick barn]

Which is kinda boo boo for Satisfactory on PC still, which is my point.

[spark sky]

Heh, I use a console on a PC monitor.

[whole drum]

Nintendo is on my blacklist

[dim cradle]

a 4060 GPU laptop can be had for reasonably inexpensive these days and you'll save more money due to the Steam sales

[quick barn]

I have a Series X on my desk alongside the gaming PC rig

[shrewd palm]

i am finally armed

[quick barn]

I hate em too.

[shrewd palm]

explosive rebar, cluster nobilisks, rifle ammo, and soon homing ammo have all been automated

[whole drum]

And backlog, backward compat, sailing the high seas, and so much more... lol

[dim cradle]

When I was letting a friend play this at his house, he was actually using my 4060 RTX HP laptop, and at 4k Satisfactory ran buttery smooth

He was surprised

Was it probably DLSS upscaled? Sure. Who cares? No one lol

[whole drum]

CSS actually makes an effort to optimize the game. It is appreciated.

[spark sky]

I'm torn with regard to Nintendo. The stuff they've been doing lately makes me not want to buy any more of their games, but I've already spent money on games on the Switch, so I guess I'm going to play those till it dies, then smash it with a sledge hammer.
(I should then send it to them.)

[quick barn]

On my PC i can run 5120x1440 native with ultra/cinematic and still get nearly 60fps in some areas of my factories.

DLSS I am well over 90 with the same settings

[leaden turret]

yup, hopsing satis never gets a switch release

[quick barn]

This is why im not worried about the console ports. Current gen only, no switch. Good chance it runs great.

[dim cradle]

I have a 4k 42" OLED "monitor" on my desk heh

and then in the bedroom a 77" OLED TV

looks pretty good on both of em

[whole drum]

What they did with Switch 2, price hikes, anti-competitive lawsuits, the way they treat 3rd party partners, their general company culture.... there's too much to hate about them and very little to like

[leaden turret]

-# you forgetting switch 2

[zenith pecan]

Nintendo do deserve the piracy they face tbh.

[spark sky]

Don't forget the patents after the fact that others have been using the same game mechanics for decades.

It's like O.J. Simpson saying we can't call orange juice O.J..

Well, the patent office didn't do their homework.

Anyway, back to my power plant.

[zenith pecan]

While I could say a lot more about nintendo and crap but I'd be breaking several rules.

[quick barn]

No - I wasn't

250p upscaled by AI is not the experience Im looking for

[zenith pecan]

I joined the conversation late, what sort of power station are you working with.

[quick barn]

They have been anti-consumer for years. Breaks my heart as a childhood nintendo lover.

[whole drum]

They lost me with the original Wii

[leaden turret]

anything not related to console ports of satis is probably #off-topic-general

[whole drum]

I didn't like how they kept playing to stupid gimmicks and not making the best games--especially since the N64 was so amazing and the GameCube had fewer games, but extremely good ones.

[spark sky]

Well, don't laugh, I'm at Stage 2 working on a 2-part (possibly 3-part) stacked biofuel power plant with integrated power storage, and I have some coal and geothermal (thanks to the doggos for supplying me the necessary materials for the research). I'm doing it more to prove that I can do the design and that it will work as intended.

Oh, and I'm doing it in Creative Mode, so I don't mess stuff up in my main game.

[zenith pecan]

Why would I laugh, tbh working on retiring the last few bio burners would be a reasonable immediate goal.

[spark sky]

I've been working on it for a couple of weeks now, since I keep changing stuff around.

[mystic oriole]

that's a fantastic idea, use geothermal power to process the biomass, and let the smooth power out into the grid.

[spark sky]

Well, I'm just trying to see what I can do with it that looks good and functions as a backup system. I've made about 8 different designs now, had to rebuild my vertical load balancers 3 times. I've got a tall, narrow tower with 18 biomass burners on top of the solid biofuel manufacture. I put a radar tower on top. With the new one, I've doubled the number of biomass burners (figured out a way to put two of the stacks side-by-side in the new, larger tower) and am not sure yet how many power storage will be in it. I wanted this one to be more accessible, no jumping over belts or parts of biomass burners to get to others. I've also developed a blueprint for passing power through floors nicely, and a frame that I can put over a skylight on the roof to put the radar tower on.

I'm learning ways to organize layouts and wiring.

And I'm putting signs everywhere.

[foggy stream]

who’s waiting satisfactory on ps4/5 since 2019?

[spark sky]

Also color coding.

[zenith pecan]

How many bioburners do you have, when unlocked you can swap out 2-3 burners with a single power store (works the same, just no need to refuel) since they recharge using excess electric.

[reef basin]

not me

[zenith pecan]

Even that's kind of temporary since when you build a much larger power grid it'd become obsolete.

[cunning glade]

Question does nuclear always produce byproduct or can u use it for more fuel eventually

[dim cradle]

A majority of my energy is sloop power right now lol

aside from that I have some coal plants still running

I'm sure this transdimensional quasi physical energy is totally safe and pollution free

[tough trellis]

what a silly name for an item, somer sloop xD

[untold moat]

an even sillier shape too

[untold moat]

listen, what doesn't kill us, FICSIT sells to the highest bidder

[tough trellis]

im still getting my iron copper and limestone factory at full efficiency, ive made my power plant of 15 bioburners and ive filled them all up with solid biofuel, but I wanna get all of my resources ready to go before I Connect the power because I want as much time as my solid biofuel backlog will afford me

Ive built a loooot of machines, can we post pics in here?

[reef basin]

#screenshots if you want to show off

#design-and-architecture or #math-and-meta or #1038092680493801533 if you want discussion

[tough trellis]

well im sure its nothing to show off but I guess I will post what I have in the screenshots channel when I get done with my iron parts

ive been at it for hours

I have 4 iron nodes all within VERY close proximity to each other

[reef basin]

well yeah, point is that discussion is not possible in #screenshots , as text-only messages are deleted

[tough trellis]

oh

What if I posted my screenshot there, and linked the message in here and ask for comments, is that allowed?

[reef basin]

can't post images here

[tough trellis]

sorry I meant there

[reef basin]

if you want comments, use #design-and-architecture

[dim cradle]

I found this random spot in the forest with 6 pure iron sources all right beside each other. Would be crazy if that was a starting spot

[tough trellis]

wow xD

[reef basin]

it's allowed and possible to link the message, but is not very optimal, you have to switch between two channels and it just is easier to post in channels where you can talk and post images like #design-and-architecture

[tough trellis]

mmk, thank you for clarification

[dim cradle]

lol these geothermal generators are soooo baaad

oh well I already knew they were gonna be

[reef basin]

what's so bad on free infinite non-failing power?

[dim cradle]

They just give so little they're almost not worth the resources it takes to make them

but oh well I'm going for this anyway

[reef basin]

resources are also infinite. And geothermal is great for powering critical pieces of infrastructure

[dim cradle]

gonna also make a battery bank

[white dawn]

One of these days I'll follow through on my plan to connect all the map's geothermal underground and use it to power trains + hypertubes + such

[reef basin]

fyi, it's named "power storage" ingame, as "battery" is an item

[dim cradle]

details

[white dawn]

("plan" is a somewhat grand term to use for an idea which has never gone further than exactly what I just said. :D)

[reef basin]

well sometimes it may be confusing which ones are you talking about

[quick barn]

How does one have them still viable midgame without renewable fuel?

[zenith pecan]

I usually take biomass out as early as possible, usually when my first sixteen coal plants are up.

[dim cradle]

I think everyone takes it out asap

unless you're going for a biomeme run

[quick barn]

Same - i keep a couple near the coal for when I inevitably screw up and need to jumpstart the pumps.

[zenith pecan]

I do use a single burner to prime water into the coal loop but then demolish asap, I seldom mess coal up since I've built so many of them over the years.

[spark sky]

Does it matter? I'm doing this as sort of a "historical" and engineering/architectural project.

[zenith pecan]

Your game, your rules 🤷‍♂️

[spark sky]

Right. I did almost everything to get to Phase 2 by hand.

[zenith pecan]

I have a support tower with 7776 power stores in it, it is completely surplus to requirements because I generate a metric ton of power, but I still built it.

[dim cradle]

gonna be honest I totally forgot batteries existed in this. I think my friend and I had some drones but we didn't bother with them much

[quick barn]

Batteries for Power Grid Storage are a neat solution to a problem that is better solved by more power capacity

[white dawn]

Yeah, batteries got nerfed quite a bit in 1.0; they used to be required for one of the Phase 4 SE parts

That plus allowing alternate fuels in drones left them in a rather niche situation

[dim cradle]

Well we definitely played before 1.0 since the save was 3 years ago but ig we didn't bother with them much

[candid torrent]

batteries exist

i used them for drones in the before times

[iron idol]

I love how Ficsit gives the Pioneer a guide on how to indentify water

[dim cradle]

without the guide, how would you know

[ornate saffron]

🩻

[agile nimbus]

Surely im not crazy, One of my constructors has had the option to produce concrete dissappear and i dont know why

[dim cradle]

could be both

[cunning siren]

I've done all the starts cept grassy 🤔 not sure If I want to do a new run there 😆

[candid torrent]

grassy is fine it’s a pretty boring environment

[dim cradle]

grassy is pretty cozy

[unkempt blade]

boring is exactly the word I'd use too

[dim cradle]

desert is... technically cozy but once you get over that plateau everything can kill you with a finger snap so skybridges for life...

[unkempt blade]

I like rocky and forest, I actively dislike dunes, and grassy is just boring

[zenith pecan]

I don't like skybridges, I go with tunnels instead 🙂

[mystic oriole]

not really, sounds like a skill issue.

[cunning siren]

I just finished a Dune run, super fun

[tough trellis]

Ok I posted the famr I Have so far in #design-and-architecture 🙂

[dim cradle]

I mean I don't really know how to dodge poison spiders without a jetpack. But it could be an "I haven't played this for 1300 hours" issue yes

[dire fern]

Yo guys..... I need help. My girl wants me to build a certain factory. I am not a good builder at all. I just need to know am I cooked or is it possible what shes asking because it fucking seems impossible....

[versed mesa]

If 2 nuclear plants are overclocked how many water extractors is needed is ot 4 or 5 ?

[mystic oriole]

I also play Starfield, so it's a lot of FPS, everything feels tame.

[zenith pecan]

Depends if you overcock the water.

[unkempt blade]

I think you should probably go to couple's therapy or break up if you think her request isn't in good faith

[dim cradle]

Starfield... lol I remember collecting all of the powers in that while watching something on another monitor, got to the point where I could just ignore all enemies and pick up all of the main objectives while hardly even looking

[versed mesa]

Yeah with that maybe over clocked also to 250 %

[dim cradle]

That game was a massive disappointment though sigh.

[zenith pecan]

300 per clocked water if I recall correctly @250%

[tough trellis]

im competitive so Id be up for the challenge. IS she asking you to build it FOR her or did she ask you because she thought you could use the enrichment that comes from taking on a big challenge?

[mystic oriole]

especially when they nerfed the AI

[versed mesa]

Right

[zenith pecan]

Max of two per reactor.

[versed mesa]

Cheers

[unkempt blade]

This probably needs too much emotional intelligence. I think he should just build a factory cart skatepark instead and see how she reacts

[tough trellis]

Well in order to understand the situation, you have to understand the underlying viewpoints. the persons gf is asking for something to be built that is designed in an entirely different game, which is probably very difficult to recreate here in satisfactory.

[unkempt blade]

Yeah exactly, and he came to discord for relationship advice so you're expecting a lot of out them that a factory cart skatepark doesn't expect

[cunning siren]

My first FPS was in arcades technically with a wireframe Battlezone in 1980 and Star Wars arcade games in 1983, Wolfenstein 3D 1992 on a 286 😆 yea, I'm an old gamer

[tough trellis]

Well it isadvice technically related to the game 😛

[unkempt blade]

he didn't tell use what he's supposed to build so it hasn't made it to game advice yet 😄

[tough trellis]

I was shown

its.... quite an undertaking

[unkempt blade]

So really it's just the two options then. Factory cart skatepark or go to couples therapy and learn to communicate like an adult with his GF

[unkempt blade]

you had to wait like half a lifetime for the wonder of satisfactory!

[cunning siren]

Yea, we did not have this fanciness "back in the day" it's easy to appreciate what is now

[unkempt blade]

but also wolfenstein 3d was a pretty great game too

[dim cradle]

I played the crap out of Wolfenstein Enemy Territory

So many hours in that it was kind of ridic

[tranquil maple]

no amount if hours is ridiculous after playing this game

[ornate saffron]

Me too. But I preferred enemy territory quake wars

[charred sandal]

Im currently planning on piping sulfuric acid a long distance. how bad is this plan

[granite ether]

idk im not that far in the game

[ornate saffron]

Over long distances i think its more efficient to package it and ship on train.

[charred sandal]

Why package vs fluid ?

[ornate saffron]

Pipes get weird over long distance

[spice spindle]

FINALLY I set up my first track. It's a push-pull train but idc. this took me forever 💀

[ornate saffron]

Due to the physics liquids slush back and forth in pipes and there is bugs that have greater chance of happening over distance

[charred sandal]

I mean why package on train vs fluid on train

[ornate saffron]

Each fuild train car holds 1600 a freight car holds 32 stacks of 100 which equals 3200

[charred sandal]

oh. So theyre basically useless?

Ill just train the sulfur and convert it there tbh

[white dawn]

Nah, direct fluids on trains are fine so long as you have proper buffering on the stations. Keep in mind that if you do package liquids instead, you also probably want to send the empty packages back, so you've got a closed packaging loop

[ornate saffron]

I feel that they are. But im not a expert. And it depends on your situation
If you never need more then 1600 they are fine

As far as I can tell the community feels fluid cars are not great.

[white dawn]

Which will either consume an extra freight car, or an extra train station so that it can unload the packaged liquid at one and then pick up the empties on the next

[white dawn]

Heh, opinion's actually relatively split on great / not-great

For gasses we definitely recommend packaging, 'cause they tend to compress better and gasses don't like buffers even more than liquids don't like buffers. :)

[dawn kelp]

I love converyor belts level 6, it makes making a big factory so much easier. Now, may I request a mark 7?

[white dawn]

Two fluid buffer designs for trains, btw: #design-and-architecture message + #design-and-architecture message

[ornate saffron]

im with you but it costs 15gw of power to make 30m of mark 6 conveyors per minute lol

[dawn kelp]

I probably had 5km of mark 6 around my base already, power is not a problem at this stage

Plentiful supply of high end equipment is the goal

[ornate saffron]

for sure. I just got to mark 6 belts and it doubled my power usage lol (i have 160gw of capacity mind you)

[dawn kelp]

I have 6 converters overclocked my my power grid is fine

[candid torrent]

overclock more

you want to convert more stuff oooooh

[dawn kelp]

Cant, OC maxed

Need more converters, which means I need more high end mats

I just spent the last 15 hour upgrading every single combination and distrubution system on my base

doubled the speed that I'm making parts at at most levels

Computers went from making about 2 per minute to making about 20 per minute

[wicked nacelle]

Once you adjust for returning empties it’s the same for liquids and better to package and ship gasses

[ornate saffron]

im on phase 5 but the only Factories i have built are ones depositing into Cloud storage for personal use. From their i just dumped the parts into storage containers by the Space elevator to complete phases 2-4. Now that im on phase 5 i need to build a mega factory

[ornate saffron]

What i am hearing is its better just to package all fluids and gases to keep the loop simpler rather thrn mix the two methods

[wicked nacelle]

Well gas is a fluid just not a liquid. And do whatever I was just talking about train car efficiency.

[white dawn]

Eh, nothing wrong in and of itself with mixing and matching. Though I suspect most folks would probably go for consistency, at least within the same factory

[wicked nacelle]

I don’t think I ever ship liquid. I just use it where it is. Shipping gasses is common and packaging makes sense for other reasons like using rocket fuel for drones etc

Oil either gets burned on site or I ship plastic and rubber for example

Now that batteries are completely optional and have no benefit over rocket fuel, shipping alumina solution is meaningless

[white dawn]

Well, shipping Alumina Solution at all would be a little weird, IMO. :D Generally that's just a closed intermediate product inside a single factory

Though I know I've seen some people decide to ship it around the map

(Also I'd argue that in some cases batteries might have the advantage of convenience. :D Though it's a slim niche, I'll grant.)

[wicked nacelle]

I don’t remember what the recipe was pre1.0 but I usually shipped it out for batteries

[reef basin]

it's not better, it's different

as with anything else in the game, it's your choice which one you use

[unkempt blade]

well now I want to do that just for the sake of doing it...

[wicked nacelle]

Ship it in factory carts of course right?

[white dawn]

Logistics All The Things!

[reef basin]

batteries are pretty good for personal vehicles and such

and they are still good fuel for automated vehicles as well

[unkempt blade]

yeah and factory carts are the best reason to package fluids or gases to keep us on your topic 😄

[wicked nacelle]

A “no packagers” challenge could be a little fun 🙂

For everyone not role playing a silly clown truck

Or if it’s required only as required to build space elevator parts

[dim cradle]

I mostly did dimensional storage building, too. Feels good to just have anything you need to make stuff on hand.

[spark sky]

I saw an interesting video on Satisfactory that was talking about the amazing detail that Coffee Stain has put into the game. Just reading the names on the machines is fascinating.

[dim cradle]

I would legit play it in the front of class during college. I don't think I had as many hours into it as I had Maplestory but it was definitely into the thousands. I'm pretty sure I had over 1k hours even back when Xfire was around

[mystic oriole]

agreed, play it anywhere. Don't matter, haters going to hate. Enjoy your life your way.

[dawn kelp]

Might as well be called the crappy jetpack challenge

[primal obsidian]

hey guys

should i automate the smart plating for first space elevator phase

[mystic oriole]

yes

[primal obsidian]

also how far do jump pads launch you

[dim cradle]

you can't build it by hand so it's either that or you set up one assembler connected to a biomass burner and sit there feeding it parts lol

[verbal veldt]

It's mainly about convenience IMO, each approach requires a slightly different form of setup. The primary resource expended (power) is abundant, but your time setting things up isn't necessarily abundant.

[dawn kelp]

is 1300 hundred hours in game considered a lot?

[primal obsidian]

no i meant automate the reinforced iron and the rotors

[verbal veldt]

1300,00...?

[mystic oriole]

there's people with more hours than me

[dim cradle]

Yeah... basically the same thing

[dawn kelp]

I was wondering cus I have 1785 :3

[dim cradle]

you'll need to automate rotors and iron unless you're going to craft it on the bench and then shove it in a machine for it to build

[dawn kelp]

Been playing since the game came out on early access. ^ ^

[wary crest]

Does anyone know when the 1.2 update is getting released

[mystic oriole]

same, EA5 I think

[primal obsidian]

i guess i should make another biomass burner

[mystic oriole]

so long ago

[wary crest]

Before or after it comes to console

[verbal veldt]

My first Early Access run took 400 hours, if you have more than that I consider it a lot. 🤓

[dawn kelp]

Sound about right, yeah, it's been a while, game has come a long way

[exotic nymph]

Can someone help me with my building architecture

Pls

[dim cradle]

idk what update the game was at 3 years ago

[white dawn]

You can talk about design+architecture stuff in #design-and-architecture btw. :D (And can even embed images and such there)

[exotic nymph]

Thx

[dawn kelp]

When designing, keep belts as short as possible, builds as tight as possible, and dont worry about space, it's unlimited.

[dim cradle]

and to be clear it's a factory game... you'll want to automate everything

later you'll get "cloud storage" and nothing feels better than just having anything you want to build constantly having its parts piling into that so you can make it whenever and wherever

[dawn kelp]

I manually make portable miners and ammo for my gun, but everything else is done by machines.

I dont need a container of 4000 portable miners

or 20k rifle ammo

[dim cradle]

yeah you do you totally do

why even live

[dawn kelp]

As much as I go out, I really dont

I'm down to my last pack of 335 or so rounds in one clip and I'm in no hurry to make a new one

[cunning siren]

Bout to upgrade mah coffee cup this run

Why? IDK, have yet to decide how I want to mix up next run

[dim cradle]

meanwhile I got a crate full of like probably 5000 bombs or something

[dawn kelp]

Yeah, I dont use that many bombs. I've built probably 200, used probably 160

When your deling with numbers that I am, you dont need a machine making it all the time

[lament niche]

counterpoint: your mother

[rose saffron]

good thing that dimensional depots don't need power

if they did, each one would probably consume a ton

[frail sleet]

wouldn't it have taken you less than 12 minutes to put a constructor down though? not counting future usage

[dim cradle]

is that a counterpoint? 🤔

[dawn kelp]

Would take me longer to hook up auto production of ammo and portable miners then I spend making them, and at this stage in the game, I spend alot of time observing the game and making sure things are backing up properly, so it's not like I'm short on free time.

[dim cradle]

Anyway yeah it doesn't take much to set up trickle feed machinery

Satisantifactory

[dawn kelp]

I'm not saying it takes alot, I'm saying the tiny amount of effort it takes is not even worth it

Maybe if I was trying to tap every node in the game I might be mass producing them, but what I need, when I need it, it's not a big deal to stand at the crafting table for 30 seconds to make 6 portable miners for two more mark 3 miners

Ammo, I use even less of, I dont do alot of exploring. I'm mostly focused on building a factory that looks like a circuit board from the air

[mystic oriole]

There's no wrong way of playing the game. Just enjoy it your way.

[exotic nymph]

Can someone please check my message in the design and architecture channel pls

[reef basin]

no reason to spam multiple channels tbh

[cunning siren]

I love treasure hunting AND I feel silly automating ammo stuff sometimes, there is NO WAY I'm gonna use a box of any consumable in a single run 🤷. If you plan on "sandboxing" the run till then end of your time in this world then, I can understand automation of consumables

[dim cradle]

I use a lot of bombs per run

hitting those angles can be pretty hard sometimes

but I explore a lot

[mystic oriole]

Treasure hunting is awesome, makes me want to scout for places to put factories too. Also Even still after 1300 hrs I still find places every now and again and I'm like, WoW this game is awesome. Look at how gorgeous this hand crafted map is.

[dim cradle]

I wish I had a count for how many geos I've hit so far

[lament niche]

no but you can catch a ban for spamming

[cunning siren]

Upload your save to this and you'll know: https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[dim cradle]

but it'll show me everything, idk if I wanna know it all

[cunning siren]

Ok, I can understand that. I "banned" SCIMs from last run and It did make it more intresting not knowing where all the stuff was without radar

[dim cradle]

if it could just do a count of just how many sources I have it'd be nice but...

[cunning siren]

One option is to plot out the map with radars

Then you'll also know

[dim cradle]

kinda have been a little

but I'm not making oscillators yet so it takes a bit

.... maybe I should just go make oscillators lol

[cunning siren]

Ooof, ok

[exotic nymph]

Is it possible to get signs this big in vanilla

I put the image in the screenshots channel

[white dawn]

That's probably a bunch of littler signs all smooshed together

Can't do more than one color of text on a single sign; I suspect each letter is its own sign

[frail sleet]

yep

Black background merges into the borders quite seamlessly

[primal obsidian]

what should i get from the awesome shop

[frail sleet]

everything

[primal obsidian]

i just got it, most important/useful stuff

[reef basin]

whatever you feel like using

[frail sleet]

concrete foundations are nice visually and to simplify costs

[cunning siren]

Floor holes ❤️

Best holes

[reef basin]

awesome shop is basically just QOL stuff, none of it is required to play the game

[dim cradle]

vertically mounting pipes and the ladder I would consider to be very nice though >_>

[mystic oriole]

The elevator is nice. Solved a problem for me for how to power each floor.

[cunning siren]

Modern Catwalks for the ultra steep Catwalk Stairs ❤️ so good early game

Ladders are great but... I prefer stairs

[dim cradle]

Oh do they go higher than those ramps

dang shoulda gotten those earlier, oh well

[primal obsidian]

2 more tickets till for that

[cunning siren]

Gigga ladders are nice with parachute to gank early HDs though

[shy fog]

not so much when you forget parachutes...

at least skyways of foundation are easy enough too

[white dawn]

Just much some berries on the way down if you need to. :D

full health == no worries!

[dim cradle]

Lol I didn't have the parachute or now jetpack until pretty recently, I'd just go up very high and drop bombs on everything

[white dawn]

Those legs'll heal right up

[dim cradle]

Although you can never be too high for spiders

50 meters wtf...

[mystic oriole]

Snoop Dog would disagree with that.

[median lagoon]

Just want to make sure this is how Trains supposed to work going back and forth on a single track (no loop). I have 3 locations and I want to have the train go from L1 to L2 to L3 and back (L3 to L2 to L1). I got it working by having 2 trainstation at L2 (middle) each going in a separate way. Is this how I'm supposed to set it up?

[cunning siren]

Creatures in this game seem to have an agro radius that does not extend to Rifle / Rebar range. Seems like a silly game mechanic AND you can essentllay kill anything if you are far enough a way and it's not agro yet 🤷

[dim cradle]

unfortunately we don't have Snoop's paranormal powers in this

[white dawn]

So with trains, you can get away with a lot if you've only got a single train on the track. If you ever want to have more than one train on the same bits of rails, you'll end up needing to get more complex. Anyway, for this particular question, I'd honestly recommend starting a #1038092680493801533 thread and attach some screenshots of your stations, etc.

I think I know what you're asking about but it'd help to actually see your setup without having to guess. :)

[median lagoon]

Cool. I'll do that later.

[white dawn]

Though in the meantime: if you have a single rail, and a single train, you can have that train go "both ways" by having an engine point outwards at both end. And if your train makes a stop at L2, that train station can also have a dual "head", pointing outwards in both directions just like your train engines have. Though again, remember that this kind of arrangement only really works when you've got a single train involved

[median lagoon]

I currently have only one train, mostly for testing as my original setup with trucks isn't really working. Trucks suck btw lol

[ornate saffron]

i feel the same wayt

[median lagoon]

I really wanted to like them 🙁

[mortal ginkgo]

the bug that appeared at 1.1 where some trucks randomly stop after a load and needing player to make a small route to trigger them all up is really annoying

I like having like 12 tractors and they are cute and wobbly

but almost had a power failure thanks to that bug Q_Q

[dense violet]

trucks work fine if you know how to use them.

Like trains

if you don't have enoug hthroughput between two stations, all you need to do is put another truck on the recorded path

[mortal ginkgo]

Man I love my power fluctiating between 4.4GW and 5.0GW thanks to dem Geothermals

[ornate saffron]

you could just not use the freee power ^_^

[mortal ginkgo]

but I want to exploit geysers, Ficsit told me so!

[ornate saffron]

i do that to lol

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah I got enough power storage to think it is max 5GW so we are cool

decorative power storage ftw

[dense violet]

then don't complain

either use power storage to manage using above the minimum power output or just don't go above the min

[lament niche]

press ctrl alt shift windows T

[mortal ginkgo]

the heck

[lament niche]

it's a real keybind for windows

[ornate saffron]

My max consuption is 31gw my power production is 112gw

[mortal ginkgo]

can I borrow some? I promise to pay back with interest ❤️

[ornate saffron]

no prob, but you build the power lines between our saves ^_^

[mortal ginkgo]

.... RREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-

[primal obsidian]

its gonna take me forever to get 50 rotors

this is a sign i should rebuild my entire factory for more efficiency

[silk ocean]

Fairly sure I produce about 100 rotors per minute xD

[ornate saffron]

we all go through the rebuild at times

[primal obsidian]

thats pretty cool man

[silk ocean]

Not too difficult in the grand scheme

[primal obsidian]

im at 4/min but i cant produce enough screws to make reinforced iron plates and rotors at the same time

[silk ocean]

Won't take you that long to get 50

[ornate saffron]

getting screwed when you are starting out is pretty commojn

[mortal ginkgo]

that means someone needs to increase the size of their factory

[dim cradle]

Where did you start out?

[primal obsidian]

never mind i forgot i overclocked the assembler now its fine

i think

wait i meant the constructor

[reef basin]

are you centralising screws? 😛

[white dawn]

One tip for screws: Make one set of screws for your RIPs, right in front of the machines making the RIPs. Then make another set of screws for your Rotors, right in front of the Rotors

I tend to recommend against centralizing resources in general, but high-volume items like Screws especially can be really bad to centralize (especially early game with slow belts)

[dim cradle]

You can do this a lot of ways the usual answer is build more stuff

take more ore veins

[primal obsidian]

one of my miners is backlogged, so i guess i could just take some of the ore

[reef basin]

or do math to know how much you need in the first place 😛

[ornate saffron]

if your belts cant keep up with your miner mayhaps you should under clock then use a addtional node

in the end do what you want ^_^ that the fun part of this game many ways to get the desired result

[primal obsidian]

this game is so rigged all the ores that are close are all impure

[ornate saffron]

you started in the grass lands ya?

[primal obsidian]

yeah

[reef basin]

not that it matters really

[primal obsidian]

first run and it said to place the hub there

[ornate saffron]

makes sense most the nodes there are impure BUT the trade off is that the grass lands is a flat area and is not far from anything. and the hostiles are relatively tame ^_^

[primal obsidian]

y'know at this point the resources i need are probably done

[mortal ginkgo]

its never done brother, war never changes

[ornate saffron]

as you get upgraded miners youll get more from them overclocking miners is usally pretty good too

[mortal ginkgo]

that Impure Limestone Node you see? You need to tap it. Tap it good.

[primal obsidian]

just got back turns out the power went out

[ornate saffron]

im playing satisfactory even when im not playing satisfactory.

slow day at work so i spent the day working on spreadsheets for the game lol

[primal obsidian]

this is why coal power is what im researching

[mystic oriole]

skip coal

[primal obsidian]

what

[mortal ginkgo]

okaaaaaaaaaaaaaay grandpa time to go to bed

[mystic oriole]

lol, yeah, I usually skip coal, ever since the biomass is now automated.

[ornate saffron]

I personally think a newer player shouldnt skip coal. It teaches fundamental skills around pipes

(i skip coal now that i know what im doing)

[mortal ginkgo]

define automated, and make it fast

like, make a really fast definition of automation

be REALLY fast

[mystic oriole]

it's like a bad kid, biomass burners are belted.

[ornate saffron]

you can use contructors to convert the raw materials (lumber, grass, Myceliya,) into biomass into solid biomass then use coveyors to feed it to the generators

[mortal ginkgo]

I asked what the automation is

[mortal ginkgo]

thats not automation, you need to pick up / kill stuff.

[ornate saffron]

the generators turn on and off as you need the extra power. you need to load balance the Hard biomass equally into each burner though

[mortal ginkgo]

and question wasn't for you, I want HIM to define it.

[ornate saffron]

okay ill stay out of it

[cunning siren]

Whelp, golden cup in hand credits rolled, time to start a new run

[mortal ginkgo]

he was the madman to say "skip coal" like casually. And then say "biomass it is automated".

he is double madman in my eyes

[mystic oriole]

meh, it's good enough for me so I don't need your approval

[hybrid crystal]

It has been six months since I've played this game. So I started it up this morning, reviewed my notes, and promptly proceeded to spend three hours building a train line that was completely unnecessary because my notes weren't complete enough

👍

[mortal ginkgo]

That wasn't the point. It's not like you need my approval. But you can't say "biomass is automated so coal can be skipped."

Biomass ain't automated.

[dim cradle]

hmm still wonder if I could carpet the ground with flingers and then just fling the enemies off of a cliff, while riding by in a hypertube so that they spawn

[mortal ginkgo]

wait wha-

[dim cradle]

oh you know just normal sane ponderings

[mystic oriole]

They aree still powered buildings

[dim cradle]

Yeah but just to farm meat though

imagine leaving game on overnight while afking in the hypertube loop

[cunning siren]

Yea, use a belt rolercoaster thing so not powered and they can't shoot you 😆

[mortal ginkgo]

you eventually get kicked out

[dim cradle]

If it's long enough without entrances I don't think you'll keep picking up speed

just keep it reasonable

[mortal ginkgo]

oh we are not speeding up? well I guess that would work...

[dim cradle]

yeah just like a steady state

[cunning siren]

Meat for the sake of having meat 🤔

[dim cradle]

fast but not too fast

[mystic oriole]

you mean pre-processed coupons.

I'm starting to suspect that there's some bot that sees the C word and puts in the icon reaction thingy.

[dim cradle]

you can hover over it and see that it's a bot lol

[mystic oriole]

hmmm, dunno you just might be right

[dim cradle]

I could be wrong though

[white dawn]

That is, indeed, an auto bot reaction. :)

[mystic oriole]

dunno, when someone calls me a crazy grandpa...

[dim cradle]

lol there are basically power towers all over the map now too

Idk I scanned basically every corner for geisers, maybe that's all of em

I've got almost 0 fog left

plenty of radars up too

[ornate saffron]

thats what i did, Power everywhere got all the geysers and collected Hardrives while doing it

[primal obsidian]

9 more rinforced plates till coal power

[dim cradle]

collected sloops, mercers, everything

haven't gotten all of the sloops but it's getting up there

ironically least explored area is probably my starting area

my gigantic factory floor I kept hearing an annoying noise and checked under a bit and there's a mercer lol

[dawn tulip]

just curious is it just me or explorer feels slugish at low speed

[unkempt blade]

you're not crazy you were just alive before ficsit replaced all the lead pipes in the hub

[mortal ginkgo]

explorer is meh and slugish in all possible ways

[dawn tulip]

:(

I like vehicles but they don't seem to be very fast in the game

[dim cradle]

maybe you can zipline while in your explorer on the power lines right

[reef basin]

120km/h is pretty fast

[dawn tulip]

mine only goers like 100?

[mortal ginkgo]

Unreal 5 Engine update really goofed them up but yes, Explorer isn't really exploring these days

[reef basin]

that's also still pretty fast

[mortal ginkgo]

it is 100 max and worst is it keeps trying going up and slows down and makes that meh sound

[unkempt blade]

That's over twice as fast as the factory cart! Sounds like hacks to me

[dawn tulip]

it is but its also unsatisfying to ride it

the upshift feels too slow

[dim cradle]

100 km/h is pretty slow... I guess it's technically fast in the wilderness on a rough path but...

[dawn tulip]

I wish there was manual shifting

[reef basin]

pretty fast given the map is only like 7km in size at most

[primal obsidian]

just realized i forgot to automate 2 things that i now need

[dim cradle]

ah... I made like 1600 modular engines lol

Forgot to ever actually turn them in too

[dawn tulip]

pain

[ornate saffron]

the map is 7.972 km x 6.8 km or 996.5 x 850 foundations.

[unkempt blade]

solid biofuel and biocoal?

[primal obsidian]

no copper sheets and modular frames

[dim cradle]

I never automated those, just went to coal as fast as I could...

[dawn tulip]

modular frame is annoying to automate

[ornate saffron]

crazy you had that on the top of your head lol. I hadnty even thought of the size until you mentioned it

[unkempt blade]

it's the best because it allows you to use screws

[reef basin]

can't really drive on oceans 🙂

[dim cradle]

Well one has to wonder whether the speed given in game is actually accurate give the map size, or if it's some fake scaled speed

[ornate saffron]

You like to scrrew! I can tell ! ^_^

[dawn tulip]

what does it need it needs like reinforced iron plates and rods?

[dim cradle]

has anyone tested whether in game speed units for vehicles were actually accurate

[unkempt blade]

depends on the recipe you use but that sounds like the vanilla one

[reef basin]

if that's annoying to you, not sure if you want to play the game further 😛

[reef basin]

yes they are, since UE works in meters by default

[dim cradle]

Nah game can still be fun but modular frames can be annoying

[dawn tulip]

I am the turns suffering into productivity

[dim cradle]

I dunno if you wanna take my advice but depending on the type of player you are, it's imo best to just get smaller trickle factories set up into large storages so that you just have stuff ready to go to build with, let it pile up while you explore or something.

and just get anything set up even if it's not optimal first

[dawn tulip]

I honestly got this game so I can use trains

[unkempt blade]

I like you and I love trains

[dim cradle]

like rn I have dimensional storage and I can basically place unlimited buildings almost anywhere I want without worrying

[dawn tulip]

I gotta expand the factories so it make actual train rout that makes sense in distance

[dawn tulip]

but like trains are cooler

[dense violet]

You might be disapointed. This isn't a train simulator

[reef basin]

personally I wouldn't recommend to expand factories, just build new ones instead

[dawn tulip]

what I mostly means

[dim cradle]

I already have a crappy sky train that dispenses the good stuff all over the factory from above #screenshots message

[dawn tulip]

also im like new so ignore my stupid opinion but trying to find all the spheres so I can set up 100 input sounds like alot of work

[dim cradle]

You're probably gonna wanna explore for hard drives anyway, and you do want sloops late game so

[dense violet]

don't need 100

[unkempt blade]

the trick to being a great satisfactory procrastinator is to bite off way more than you can chew and then sit there paralyzed by the thought of placing 200 refineries to finish one step of the production chain

[primal obsidian]

nearest coal is 800m away is it better to place the power plant there and then run power lines

[dim cradle]

It doesn't matter, you just do all of them at once

[primal obsidian]

or just use conveyer belts to bring it back to base?

[mortal ginkgo]

yes, since water should be closeby as wekk

[dawn tulip]

don't you need 1 per container thingy?

[primal obsidian]

k

[dawn tulip]

and like there are alot of building materials

[dense violet]

sure, but yo udon't need 100 containers

[dawn tulip]

plus upgrades

I heard it gets clogged when one item gets full with couple containers though

[ornate saffron]

depends i use three for concrete

[dim cradle]

Yeah see like I said this is why I have all these grand plans and then I just end up putting one overclocked to the wall constructor making nothing but iron pipes out of all of my iron ingots because I just didn't set up the better recipe

One building can't be beat right

[unkempt blade]

totally, it's not a race and waiting for stuff gives you more time to tame doggos

[ornate saffron]

and (mmore importantly) pet them

[dim cradle]

accidentally blow them up while trying to kill spiders

[dawn tulip]

greatest cheat in this game is letting your game run over night

[dim cradle]

Yeah I do that all the time

lets your dimension buffers pile up, don't need a big factory to do objectives, etc

[ornate saffron]

i dont.... but i run it all day one my laptop at work lol

[hard ivy]

The only thing I'd gain from that is just more coupons

[dim cradle]

you'd still gain coupons

imagine, letting your automated factory... work automatically while you afk

crazy thought I know but

[hard ivy]

If you build an actually good factory, you don't need to AFK

[dim cradle]

but I can just build a bad one and afk

[unkempt blade]

it produces stuff so it's a good factory 😄

[ornate saffron]

best part of the ga,e is that many soluitions exist

[hybrid crystal]

I just had a crash while connecting power lines to some buildings. I didn't really have crashes when playing on 1.0, and I haven't been playing 1.1 very long, so I'm a bit concerned it's happening already.

[dawn tulip]

good factory increases your productivity while you are afk :D

[unkempt blade]

if the error isn't obvious you could make a thread in #1038092680493801533 with the error message/what happened and see if anyone can tell you what the issue is

[dim cradle]

fwiw to make buffers I like to just stack containers and put lifts between them, and then a dimensional container on top with another lift going up to it

seems to be pretty space efficient

Dunno what you do Panda

[hybrid crystal]

Thanks, I'll do that if it crashes again. I didn't think to record the error the first time.

[dim cradle]

Wonder if this heavy flexible frame recipe's worth it

still seems like it kind of sucks lol

[true mulch]

heavy encased frame tops

[dim cradle]

Is it the no screws?

[mortal ginkgo]

yep

[primal obsidian]

this game is so infuriating i just got beat up by this weird thing with husks like 3 times

ive hit it 50 times its still alive

[ornate saffron]

I dont play for the combat so i have the hostiles on defensive mode

[primal obsidian]

i just want the coal man

[dim cradle]

Don't worry when you get some projectiles you can cheese them anyway

for now if you wanna just be cheap go find a random rock or ledge to sit on

Unless it's one of the big ones in which case yeah they suck

[ornate saffron]

Rebar gun is a great early game upgrade

[primal obsidian]

thats it im turning on retaliate instead

[dim cradle]

I just use bombs so I can use them on everything. I had to make track out like 2km getting that sulfer though

and up a skyramp and over a skybridge

[ornate saffron]

thats why its there. curate your experience so its fun my dude ^_^

[dim cradle]

tbf they're probably only aggro for gameplay purposes, realistically I don't think most wild animals would just see something they've never seen before in their lives and go, "Yeah I wanna ram that"

[ornate saffron]

Bull moose during mating season will do exactly that

I'm Canadian... can you tell?

[dim cradle]

so are they all bull mooses then?

that are mating all the time

[ornate saffron]

there is a mating season

[dim cradle]

I know I just mean that the hogs are always 100% aggro

Everything is

[ornate saffron]

i like to think the creatures in game are mating 100% of the time. hence the respawns

[dim cradle]

Hmm

fair point actually

[primal obsidian]

found this weird glowing sphere in a lake do i pick it up

[ornate saffron]

take it to the MAM

[primal obsidian]

ok

its called mercer sphere

oh hey i think i see another one

ill mark it for later

[ornate saffron]

is the Nuclear pasta the only Space elevator part that has another use?

[hard ivy]

All of them have another use - sink points

[ornate saffron]

Fair but beyond that

[hard ivy]

But for crafting, yeah, only pasta is used for something that isn't the space elevator

[primal obsidian]

wow time flys

ive been playing for 3 hours

bye guys

[ornate saffron]

laters

[dim cradle]

wow starting area just had a sloop sitting around in the middle of the desert lol

[rose saffron]

I have completed phase 2 of the space elevator!

[dim cradle]

Well I'm at ~20-21.5k power between geothermal, sloops, and whatever coal I have left

GW not k lol

[odd remnant]

Sand is good

[dim cradle]

Should probably get some energy storage since all of my energy is pretty much geo

[hybrid crystal]

Are rails 8 m apart safe from collisions?

[shrewd palm]

Yes

The rough minimum I think is when you place them in the middle of a foundation side by side

[hybrid crystal]

Ty ty

[rose saffron]

when do I get tech to deal with radiation

[coarse pebble]

just unlocked fuel generators and IM SORRY WHAT?? 250MW for TWENTY FUEL A MINUTE.

[cunning siren]

There are a few like that in Dune desert start 🤔

[coarse pebble]

THATS LIKE NOTHING WHAT

[cunning siren]

There are a few like that in all the starts

[ornate saffron]

wait until you get into alternate fuels...

[coarse pebble]

coal is going to be ERADICATED

option 1: find coal and water near each other, set up dumb 3:8 water extractor to coal gen ratio, take up a crap ton of space
option 2: set up a refinery plant literally anywhere theres oil and get to use up the byproduct with literally no downside

[cunning siren]

Option 3: Skip coal and get early geothermals for 7.1 GW of "free power"

[dim cradle]

Yeah I was mainly implying that I've done such a bad job of exploring my own starting area vs the rest of the map that it's still like that lol

[cunning siren]

I just beat my play through and found two sloops in the Dunes next to mah base 😆

[rose saffron]

my factory's power grid is still around half dependent on biofuel

I need to build more coal power, but I'm also so close to getting oil power...

eh I guess I should just wait until I have alternate recipes to make oil power more efficient

[shy mulch]

sounds like you have too much coal, embrace biofuel

[dense violet]

#1201555265942724758

[shy coral]

ty

[unkempt blade]

Or... 4000 biomass burners. Way simpler

[ornate saffron]

then you can pretend you are a pesant in Age of Empires

i say make biocoal from murdering animals. then cosplay as the doom guy

[unkempt blade]

perfect! AOE is a great game!

[ornate saffron]

with sloops yoiu can get like 960 biocoal from one hog meat

@dim cradle that would go good with your insane run lol

[slender hatch]

Seventeen hard drives scanned later finally got heavy encased frames

It was a fun little exploration of the map tho, honestly a nice break from building

[ornate saffron]

absolutley

[hushed canopy]

finished my turbofuel plant

[tough trellis]

Im having trouble finding paleberries, is there any place in particular they spawn? I started in the northern forest and the youtuber Im watching found them here, but Ive had no luck

[hushed canopy]

its generating 33 333 megawatts

[slender hatch]

Not a bad haul tho 13 extra hard drives, 31 mercer spheres alot of slugs and some parts

[hushed canopy]

a bit tricky to get everyhting to 100%

[slender hatch]

Oh and like 12 sloops

[ornate saffron]

try building the Objectscanner you place it in your hands like a weapon

[hushed canopy]

had to go sloop some of my compacted coal assemblers to feed all of this with it

drones working overtime

[tough trellis]

oh is that in the toolbench?

[ornate saffron]

yes sir, very handy