satisfactory

[zenith fractal]

it's just the default mk2 pipes

[grim carbon]

can i connect a conveyor belt to a portable minor? cos i don't see how

[shrewd palm]

nope

[zenith fractal]

no you cannot

[grim carbon]

to bad, ok

[zenith fractal]

only automated miners can connect to conveyors

[shrewd palm]

you'll get proper miners pretty soon dont worry too much

probably only an hour or two of running around and collecting things if you're doing the tutorial

[grim carbon]

i planted one on a limestone patch before i got killed, but its still producing

[zenith fractal]

they do mine until they are full

[shrewd palm]

portable miners will mine until they have one stack in their inventory and then they'll stop, but they start again after they've been emptied

[grim carbon]

how much room do they have?

[zenith fractal]

1 stack I thhink

[shrewd palm]

and also dont forget that you can place more than one portable miner on each node

[shrewd palm]

1 stack, in terms of basic resoruces that is 100

[zenith fractal]

this tip speeds things up a bit

[grim carbon]

yeah, i've just done that

are they solar powered?

[shrewd palm]

they use Ficsit Magic or something

i dont ask questions i only make factories

i am a good pioneer

[zenith fractal]

no, they mine until the heat death of the universe

or when they get full of resources

[grim carbon]

IMO i think a good pioneer would ask questions about things he doesn't understand

[shrewd palm]

pioneers are clones working for an AI/megacorp trying to save a species that may already be dead

[sturdy mural]

a good pioneer will make an efficient factory

[grim carbon]

isn't that what we're all trying to do?

be efficient?

[shrewd palm]

there have been many pioneers on the planet and they've all failed (or maybe they've been killed by ADA for asking questions????? who knows??)

[zenith fractal]

I think ada is just disapointed in humanity

[shrewd palm]

ADA is disappointed in a lot of things i think (most notably me)

[zenith fractal]

after all she sounded dissapointed when talking to the mercer spheres about how humanity is about short term solutions to long term problems..

[sturdy mural]

guys how do you like making your rails

[shrewd palm]

either a tower that you can autoconnect with or lots of little pieces

[sturdy mural]

no like the rails themselves

spacing,corners etc

im curious :3

[shrewd palm]

side by side foundations is the bare minimum for them to not run into each other

i like to leave a foundation or two in between and a little lower than the tracks to run power and pipes/belts and stuff

[sullen gull]

I feel like the "standards" are 8m and 16m spacing

[shrewd palm]

one foundation is 8x8m right?

[zenith pecan]

Yeah.

[sturdy mural]

one foundation is 8x8 indeed

[sullen gull]

And that's referring to the center of each rail.

[sturdy mural]

center?

so if you were to place a rail going through the middle

it would go next to each other or 1 foundation block apart

[sullen gull]

Like so: #screenshots message

[sturdy mural]

o nice, look how i do it

[sullen gull]

I'm in no way versed on trains at all yet. Was just commenting on what've read/seen other do/say

[grim carbon]

is it possible to pick up a portable minor once it's down?

i can't deconstruct it

[stone python]

might want to use the correct miner. pretty sure you dont want a minor :wheeze:

[sullen gull]

Hit e and click Pick up All

[grim carbon]

so simple yet i couldn't see past my own eyes

[sullen gull]

🤷‍♂️ It happens.

[sturdy mural]

||unless you make minecraft vids :kek:||

[tardy quest]

I love this game

[abstract heron]

me to when dis happens

a other thing found out maybe when spilter on a item and its yellow it takes uobject limlt fast

[sturdy mural]

what

[abstract heron]

uobject limlt and i am making a ton of refinerys

and i just found out a conveyor spilter and its yellow aka can't fit or it fits wiredly or something it makes a tton of uobject limlts

[karmic elm]

i just got done with my fuel power plant

took a while but i did it :D

i just have to wait for it to stabalize and to make smart spliters so it doesnt blow up

[zenith fractal]

veery nice

[abstract heron]

When i am done with it i let it run/do awesome sinks for a while to see if it has any issues/problems

[zenith fractal]

power is always good

[karmic elm]

i mean

the issue i'm gonna get is that empty canisters are gonna overflow and stop unpackaging the fuel

[abstract heron]

up to u btw

[karmic elm]

so no more fuel in the generators

[grim carbon]

i think it's hilarious that the people who programmed the crafting bench made the button to craft things manually shake like it's going to break

[karmic elm]

solution is smart spliters set to overflow into sinks

so it also makes coupons

[dense violet]

is this for diluted fuel?

[abstract heron]

also test it to be sure incase

[karmic elm]

mhm

[abstract heron]

hey u

Like i am working on a big project ton of refeinrys 😛

[dense violet]

make the cannisters once, never think about it again

also make a loop packager > refinery > unpackager 1:1:1 , immediately stabalises

[abstract heron]

and also Test things out of power incase something goes wrong you might be half awake

or sleepy and u did a oops

[karmic elm]

i'm always sleepy

[abstract heron]

also good idea for power and other productions is stress test stuff

aka leaving it alone for a few hr or days to see if any problems come out

then fix them before 100% completing

[karmic elm]

once the canisters fill up it should be fine

i'll do the sink thing instead of the one time thing

cus the one time thing scares me more than anything

[abstract heron]

I still test i thought doing 9200 fuel cainsters per minute way back when but then i scrapped it for blender fuel

[karmic elm]

might buffer here and there and throw away consistency

[dense violet]

why ? it's the simplest thing

you can make a BP of it to make a poor man's blender

even put hte Cannisters in the BP so it's auto filled

[karmic elm]

it's more work tho

[dense violet]

you can make a BP of it to make a poor man's blender

once click production

[karmic elm]

and i can get coupons too

[dense violet]

diluted packaged fuel is liek the ONE place where manifolds are kinda inconvenient

[karmic elm]

and that's cool

[dense violet]

you can get coupons anyway

[karmic elm]

yes

[dense violet]

keep the cannister production going directly into a sink. do 1:1:!

[karmic elm]

but more coupons is better

[dense violet]

you will get exactly teh same amount of coupons

I don't think you're thinking about this very hard

[karmic elm]

idk what 1:1:! stands for

[dense violet]

1:1:1

[karmic elm]

i'm only at phase 3

[dense violet]

packager refinery packager

[karmic elm]

well i already did manifolds

but they should never stop moving

i can't send pictures here

[abstract heron]

Did u look at Satisfactory production and also do some calacation etc etc

[karmic elm]

i did math

i made sure nothing would go wrong except the canister overflow thing

which i'm gonna do rn

i just need ai limiters

[hoary galleon]

AI limiters are simple at least. just an assembler

[karmic elm]

yeah i just didn't even start a factory for them tho

i'm just gonna make them manualy for now

i don't need that many anyways

[turbid merlin]

Question, is no build cost setting for everything or just for stuff like foundations etc

[sick falcon]

#screenshots message how do i give him enrichment

[crystal folio]

some nuclear waste should be good

[crystal folio]

why wouldnt it be for everything?

[turbid merlin]

Idk, was more thinking along the lines of free build cost for things that arent machines

If that makes any sort of sense

[crystal folio]

sentence makes sense, but why make a button labeled "no build cost" and then only make it just for foundations and decorational stuff?

[plain gate]

everything

[turbid merlin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Was just a random thought honestly

[crystal folio]

understandable

[outer moss]

hello

[hard junco]

hey in the constructor there is a graph or something i dont know what to call it it has a percentage its 89%
is it the percentage of how efficient the constructor is working?

[feral geyser]

yes

[hard junco]

and if its not 100% that means something is wrong right i can rely on it for that?

[clever merlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1286167237908107356/1432219736422219786/2025103.JPG?ex=69004212&is=68fef092&hm=2631642961888e1119ff6da2f8e62c4926286136fb34288c48653812e3bb8606&I I am not sure if this is intended or by accdent but i did it on one side but i cant seem to get the lift to lock down like this on the other side 🙁 anyone know how ?

it like on one side it lining it self to the convery pole but on the other it wont lol

[dense violet]

It’s not suuuuper reliable, but if it’s less than 90 there’s probably a flow or math issue yes

Looking at the machine light and seeing it flicker to yellow is concrete evidence

[hard junco]

oh so it shouldnt flicker yellow at all i though thats the unreliable part lol

because some parts takes time like rotors if the assembly flickers a lot so thats for sure not ok

[dense violet]

Flickering to yellow means it goes on standby

That happens if the output is full and it can’t start a new cycle, or if there aren’t enough parts in the input for a cycle

[tacit valley]

we need a flamethrower

[dense violet]

Lights are Absolutely concrete info on steady production

If the meter says 100% ? It’s probably 100%

If it says 98%? Could also be 100%

And it’s really easy to look at a row of lights for 30 seconds and spot a flicker

Unless you’re colour blind I guess

Might be a bit harder to gauge the difference between greys

[steady spindle]

I cannot find these coal ores

Are they on tops of mountains?

[carmine aspen]

Youll find them around or use the scanner

[hard junco]

thank u for ur answer i get it now

[raw light]

yo

if anyone could give me a hand, idk if my situation is a bug or how the progression goes

[steady spindle]

I mean I use the scanner lol

[raw light]

hadnt seem the question channel mb

[dense violet]

Follow the pings on the compass

[feral geyser]

Then they'd have to implement fire

[leaden turret]

we have fire, just it's stuck inside the coal/fuelgens 😛

[clever merlin]

invisable creature in the way

[shrewd lily]

Nightly [(BIG SHOT)] post https://youtu.be/yBcERNlK1wA?si=TYlEgGxmHsGbaznT

(if its night for you)

[leaden turret]

ghosts for halloween season? 😛

[clever merlin]

lol

[simple mango]

My train station is not taking cargo input. It is both connected to a powered rail system as well as a power line. What is the dumbest possible thing I could be missing, because it's probably that.

uhhh how the fuck?#screenshots message

yep, train derails

is there some secret rule about "don't build train stations with blueprints"? because this is the first one I've built with blueprints, and the first time I've seen this shit

rebuilt the platforms manually and now they're happy

[wise junco]

I was just getting ready to type that 😅

[simple mango]

fuck I just want blueprints to work at the least how I expect them to, not in new cursed ways every time I build a new one

Also "haha you want to blueprint a rail junction? well that's 6x6 so fuck you that blueprinter unlocks so late in the game as to be functionally meaningless! wheeeeee!"

"Also we just bugged signals, so have fun rebuilding every junction 3-4 times to make the signals happy!"

Yeah, the tracks just don't seem to reliably connect when built from blueprints. T_T

It seems to be the last segment~~, and may only happen when there is a track connection at both sides of where the BP is placed?~~

[coral bough]

I have the urge to build the white house in this game

[simple mango]

Nope. Always the last segment, and when you delete that segment the next one corrupts.

[quick idol]

If you Place the Signals Infront/behind the Little Square that shows where youre going it works like a Charm… Seems like the Game is using These to Check for Switches, but Thats just an idea Not sure if its Like this

[tawny cobalt]

My friends and I started playing on the grass land, we hit tier 4 and we would like to move to the northern forest.
What would be the best/fastest way to move everything over?
We are running the save on a dedicated server.

[bronze atlas]

i would say if you're going to completely move, just build a new base and leave the old one.

i mostly just build satellite factories everywhere now that ive expanded to the whole map.

[bronze atlas]

i get that a lot too, though mainly only when my blueprints have some kind of junction within them. The ones i have that are just straight tracks with an entry/exit with no switch, seem to connect fine with autoconnect.

[tawny cobalt]

Haven't played in ages so it's all new to me 🤣

I was looking at selecting a new starter point but I think we will lose the progress and we don't what that.

[bronze atlas]

all i would do is make sure you have dimensional storage set up at all your products in your 1st base then it will be easier to build your new base when you move to your next desired location.

[tawny cobalt]

Dimensional storage!
Didn't know that was a thing, that will make it easier

[bronze atlas]

look through the mam, the research is in there

[tawny cobalt]

Yea found it, il get started on that, thank you! 👍

[bronze atlas]

you're welcome! hope it helps

[quick idol]

I think you Need to leave half a foundation Space and on the Connecting piece 1,5 foundations, then it works Fine for me

[shy zenith]

anyone know a good way to blue print rail intersections like a T section?

is the blueprinters not big enough?

[worthy cosmos]

it would be cool if you could make larger blueprints ngl.

is dimensional storage late game?

[hard ivy]

It should be possible to fit in a mk3. But considering the 1.1 signal bug, I don't know if you'll be able to fit them as well with the spacing needed

[hard ivy]

You can have it as soon as you have the MAM

And it's easy to get at tier 3

[worthy cosmos]

what do i need?

[hard ivy]

Mercer spheres, SAM and steel pipes (wire too, but you'll have it anyway)

[worthy cosmos]

ok and how is it researched

[hard ivy]

MAM alien technology tree

Left branch

[worthy cosmos]

ok i guess i gotta find sam then.

does it taste like green eggs and ham?

[hard ivy]

I reckon it tastes purple XD

[leaden turret]

@obsidian zodiac remember what you were saying about not totally feeling comfortable having emojis of you on discord? I totally understand it now. #satisfactory-memes message

[obsidian zodiac]

i feel vindicated

[leaden turret]

can we have that one though? 😅

[wooden mural]

how do you join a game again? im used to hosting games i dont know how to join my friends lmao

can i join directly via steam invite?

[hard ivy]

"join game" in the main menu?

[wooden mural]

i used to send an invite if i recall correctly did they change it?

[shy mulch]

I'm an old man and out of touch with modern "social norms"
Is it considered socially acceptable/normal to pm someone on discord asking for specific help?
I pop on here for banter and chit chat, and occasionally answer some questions if I have knowledge that can help, I rarely look at any other channels
But I seem to get a surprising amount of friend requests and message requests. I deny them all. Just want some guidance if that's considered normal or not

[hard ivy]

I definitely wouldn't DM someone unless I had to. Idk why so many people want to go to DMs instead of talking here

[shy mulch]

I'm inclined to agree, it seems strange to me. But I'm also aware that I'm 100% out of touch so it might just be normal to everyone except me, is why I thought it worth asking 🙂

[gusty bronze]

it's still considered rude to just friend/dm someone out of nowhere, thats just somebody who wants a 2 million friend collection

[dim cradle]

The other thing that kind of makes load balancers hard to do in this is... why do lifts have a min length of 2 stacked splitters? Someone really dropped the ball on that, makes no sense =\

[shy mulch]

As I've got older it's become very clear to me that quality>quantity. I had a facebook account for a very long time, almost since facebook launched, and had around 500 friends on it. Most of them I never even spoke with. I created a new one last year and added less than 100 people. It's soooo much better now

[bronze atlas]

unfortunately the rails due to their minimum size require the full size of the blueprint to even be able to be made in the first place.

[hard ivy]

How would you even have a lift shorter than that?

[gusty bronze]

guessing because it was a difficult change, for the longest time we couldn't get any changes to it because it was "difficult/impossible", they don't work the same

[dim cradle]

... 100 is still a lot, I have like a few rl friends and I don't even use facebook. On Discord I hardly have any and don't want any.

[quick idol]

For Straight rails in the MK2 its enough

[bronze atlas]

i have no problems with straight rails, the problem is with rails that have junctions

[dim cradle]

I mean it's pretty simple, it would just be the inlet and the outlet. They still shouldn't collide.

[quick idol]

Oh didnt read it properly sry

[dim cradle]

makes extremely compact splitter/merger hooking up kind of impossible

[hard ivy]

Just an inlet and outlet is 2 stacked splitters high. And you can build it, just needs something to attach both ends to something

[dim cradle]

Nah it definitely had some track where you can see the items in the middle

[reef basin]

my discord friend list is full of people I don't even know 🤷 kinda gave up on keeping that one clean

[shy mulch]

I've got 25 friends on discord and I know almost all of them IRL. Don't really like adding random internet people

[reef basin]

many people DM me with something tools related, and the "add to friend" is often required due to their DM settings

[hard ivy]

Why are people DMing you with Tools matters when the Tools discord exists

[plucky flower]

Dont know if this been answered but for me the overwhelmening of messages and people trying to couple onto your message with the persons makes it handier(for some) to go to dm. So both persons can see ecery message and have an 1 on 1 convo

[reef basin]

same reason why people go to DMs from here 🤷

[sterile blade]

A "system" comprising a smart splitter, a belt segment and a sink (which is also completely avoidable) is by no means impossibly huge. Take 3~4 manufacturers fed by a sushifold and you're already roughly saving as much belt space as a Sink takes (8m vertical stack of 4 belts Vs 2m single belt)

I realize the detail about the number of belts/splitters might be a bit confusing, but I didn't add it to imply balancers can take less space than manifolds, just that they can take less logistical elements (which is not obvious and kind of funny); this is quite obvious when you compare sushi-fed manufacturers to their single-item-fed counterparts (both sushi and not sushi); example:

• with 8 splitters and 12 (machines inputs) + 8 (splitters' inputs) belt segments you can feed 3 manufacturers with a manifold (funnily enough, while the sushifold version would take 1/4 of the belt space, it would still need as many logistical elements if not a couple more than the single-item version due overflow management)
• with 4 splitters, 4 splitters input belts and 12 machines input belts you can feed 3 manufacturers using four trivial 1->3 balancers (splitters). This won't take less space than the prior example as it can't be built along a single line, but it does need less logistical elements
• with 1 programmable splitter, its input belt and 3 machine input belts one can sushi-feed 3 manufacturers if they have no overflow (ie: production matches consumption exactly for all items)

With the same machines, you can play with different feeding methods to have different results (size of logistics, number of logistical elements, wether the machines need to be all full of items to be at 100% or not...)

[dim cradle]

Sushi is a terrible idea in this game though

On Factorio you can sort of make it work, here I wouldn't even try

It's just such a waste of resources...

[reef basin]

it's not terrible here tbh

[plucky flower]

Its really not

[reef basin]

it's just unnecessary, though the same can be said for Factorio's sushi

[plucky flower]

smart and programmable splitters allow for easy managment of items

Only downside is looks and max belt speed

[hard ivy]

It'd say it's more "not worth bothering with" than "terrible"

[dim cradle]

Yeah at the cost of making a lot of smart and programmable splitters, and then you would have to worry about max bus width and not having 2 sides of the track to populate

[shy zenith]

it has its uses

[dim cradle]

I dunno it just seems like a... bad idea to me but w/e lol

[sterile blade]

Tbh, they have optimized that heavily... They might have brought it to the point where how "heavy" a belt is doesn't libearly depend on how many segments it has (ideally, the game should now be treating the whole stretch of belt segments between one "output" and one "input" of things (eg: from miner to splitter, from splitter to machine) as one single giant belt, regardless of how many individual segments there are)

[plucky flower]

If you dont have enough resources to get smart splitters the problem is with your production

[shy mulch]

My smart splitter array is a thing of beauty, not even sure how many there are, over 100 for sure

[reef basin]

bus has nothing to do with sushi though?

(also bus is pretty horrible in SF)

[dim cradle]

Bus meaning the max throughput of your belts.

[sterile blade]

As someone who doesn't sushi in Factorio, I always have a chuckle reading stuff like this (which is surprisingly/depressingly often)

[plucky flower]

You need smart splitters or programmable splitters to set up your sushi output

[reef basin]

oh... that's not at all what "bus" usually means in factory games 😄

[plucky flower]

What does bus mean

I dont know this

https://tenor.com/view/school-bus-monster-bus-big-bus-gif-23483603

[reef basin]

distribution method where you have belts with items, you split items from belts to nearby machines and merge back products from those machines. Usually built as giant stack of belts going through your base.

[sterile blade]

In my last build, I ended up having splitters amounts in this order: Mergers - > Programmable - > Normal - > Smart

[plucky flower]

So the belts of an manifold basicly

right?

[dim cradle]

I mean in this save I don't even have them unlocked yet lol. Last time I played was ages ago, but I remembered them not exactly being trivial on resources. To the point where you're kind of diverting resources just to set up something unnecessary, but... eh w/e. I think I can see sushi sort of working for low yield products but I feel like you're just adding complexity down the line for no reason instead, and you have to make sure that none of it can saturate or the entire thing is dead.

[reef basin]

no, the key difference is "merging back product"

something like this https://i.redd.it/main-bus-design-v0-5zww89r6388e1.png?width=3440&format=png&auto=webp&s=4762de2a2faef425b9508df2f44857a351461a16

[plucky flower]

That is a weird way to view it. Smart splitters are used in way more than that. And saying that automating them isnt usefull I begin to think your an anti cast screw

[reef basin]

you either do or don't have the ingredient automated. If you don't, you go automate it. If you do, cost of machine becomes irrelevant

[plucky flower]

Oh god okay got it

[hard ivy]

I think a screenshot from Factorio would've been better

[plucky flower]

Maybe but I got it

[reef basin]

well I'm not sure if they know Factorio and this one illustrates it well 🙂

[plucky flower]

Exactly. Havent got factorio and ill keep it that way

[sterile blade]

If you have issues producing items to build, you're not factoring hard enough :P
Jokes aside, wether the results are "useful" or not is entirely user-dependant (like pretty much anything...)
Is it "worth it" having to handle 2 items through one truck station instead of just one, with overflow considerations and clogging worries? Depends on how much one likes having to set up one truck instead of 2 and how "complex" a sushi solution feels to them in comparison, that's what it all comes down to (plus visual preferences which I'm ignoring ofc)

[hard ivy]

Fair. It's just that in Factorio it's usually a lot less wide (and thus easier to see what's going on). But yeah, you do have to know Factorio

[reef basin]

I'd say you're missing out, but ofc it's your choice what you will/won't play 🙂

[dim cradle]

I like how the input lines look so neat and it looks like they're tapping into them at various points then you just have this pipe running through all of it

[plucky flower]

I hate the art style(im sorry guys)

[sterile blade]

I think few play it for the graphics
Satisfactory is where the beauty is

[reef basin]

which is obviously fair point, though personally I much more prefer gameplay over art style. I'd rather play a really good game where triangles shoot squares at circles, than hyper-realistic game with crap gameplay

and I think that Factorio's graphics work very well for what it's doing

[plucky flower]

Yes but I cant stand the graphics. Thats the point. The art style of the game I hate

[shy mulch]

my favourite game is the google no connection dinosaur run thing

[dim cradle]

Factorio is a lot more hectic due to the aliens on default settings

Fending off the aliens till you get a lot of automated defense can be pretty tedious

[reef basin]

good thing you can disable them 🙂

I personally don't mind it, it's just another problem to automate 🙂

[dim cradle]

Or you can just have 3000 gun turrets and use all your iron on ammo

Not that I would do such a thing

Nope..

[sterile blade]

I understand that. I'm saying that (imo) few people enjoy the art style rather than just tolerating it ^^ (ie: most seek the game for the mechanics, not the graphics)

[hard ivy]

I mean that's exactly what a bus is and why it works well in certain situations. You have a line of belts with commonly used items and whenever you make something more complex, you take its ingredients off the bus, and put the product back on it.

It's really good when you don't know what your demand's gonna be because you can easily expand the production of any item individually.

But it's a pretty bad idea in Satisfactory because you have a lot more intermediate items than in Factorio and you generally know what your demand's gonna be

[plucky flower]

(im autistic and I get like a weird feeling of the game I cant explain which makes me feel really angry for some reason)

[dim cradle]

I know, I was just making a joke about the pipe

[sterile blade]

I just remembered that "nowadays" sushi can be handled easily with loopbacks too (priority mergers), but I don't think that adds much to the convo @lament niche

[dim cradle]

Yeah I figured you would need a loopback circuit to handle overflow...

but that's just more stuff...

[hard ivy]

Yeah, you can easily do sinkless sushi thanks to them

[shy mulch]

With belt throughput limits there's very few use cases where this would ever make sense

[dim cradle]

I mean I think it's fine. You just add one line for every thing you produce. The only problem is you need kind of a lot of width for all of the intermediate products if you want every single thing in one area

This dude clearly ran out

[leaden turret]

build up

[dim cradle]

You probably want the bus on its own floor by itself then all of your producers on another floor

That way both can scale independently

[hard ivy]

Depends how much stuff you're making tbh. For me, it's completely useless, because I often have multiple belts for the same item, so I'd need a lot of sushi belts anyway, which doesn't save me any space

[dim cradle]

But I guess it's a good way to see at a glance what all you have available and what all you're running short on, just an obscene amount of organization lol

[hard ivy]

You can scale it the same as in Factorio. You just need to build the platform high out of the way of any obstacles

[olive belfry]

can i make the empty canisters just self dispose?

[dim cradle]

Yeah I was just referring to the implementation on the screenshot someone sent earlier.

They ran out of space for the bus I think

[hard ivy]

Sink?

[olive belfry]

oh good to know it eats it

thanks

[sterile blade]

Depends on how one likes to design things 🤷‍♂️
Single-production rooms vs multi-production rooms: with the same amount of machines, the latter normally has much smaller outputs (thus filling up belts more rarely)

[sterile blade]

Don't try to remember what it can sink: it's easier to remember what it can't

[dim cradle]

Overall I can see using a sushi belt for very low yield stuff, I think that might save some track.

Or sometimes I think we used them when we loaded up our trains with multiple things and wanted to split them later

But the belts they added recently are supposed to be pretty insane too so maybe I'm just not late game enough to see it. Shrug

[sterile blade]

In my head, it all boils down to: what's the fewest belts I can use to move my stuff?
The fact that I also like sushi affects how I build and thus I have plenty of opportunity to make good use of it (ie: using one belt instead of 2 or more)

[dim cradle]

Well you can try taking some pics of how it looks

[hard ivy]

I usually care more about making things simpler than more compact. So sushi outside of storage is completely pointless for me

[sterile blade]

If curious, you can try searching for them :P
(eg: searching for "pictures" with the "from user" filter)

[sterile blade]

Simple has become sinonimous with boring for me, most of the time 😅
I'll take one balancer over one manifold, please... Just so I actually have something to figure out rather than just mindlessly making lines of splitters xD

[leaden turret]

looks at sushi belter

seems legit

[dim cradle]

How do you do it, do you use programmable ones to separate into separate lanes first before separating into separate smart splitters?

A set of programmable ones to collect similar ones into one belt in general to still have heterogeneity?

[sterile blade]

Sometimes I do that, yes.
Like when I have a sushi belt feeding items for different floors of a factory: each floor will get its items from the sushi belt using a programmable splitter listing all those items; the floor itself will handle where to send them

[sterile blade]

I control the overall item flow mainly with mergers or rather the machines connected to them. With clocking, you can easily and precisely control how much items are made and consumed, which impacts belts throughput and wether you have to handle overflows or not

[dim cradle]

I had a tiny sushi factory in Factorio that did full sushi belt for all products, balancing different output rates was a massive PITA

I still got to yellow science but kind of dropped it at that

I would have eventually won, but that's a big "eventually"

[reef basin]

circuit network makes it a breeze

[dim cradle]

I think I either didn't have it unlocked or it wasn't there back then, not 100% sure. Or maybe I was just tehe bonk dumb and didn't know about it

[reef basin]

circuit network is there since super early days (definitely earlier than yellow science is)

[dim cradle]

Then yeah the latter probably. The factory was tiny

Idk if there's somewhere here where you can paste pics from other games

[reef basin]

#off-topic-media

[sterile blade]

Tbh, I've yet to understand what's the common way to "make sushi" in Factorio, so I can't really make good comparisons 🤷‍♂️ (please don't answer this with details on Factorio Sushi, I like to figure things out on my own ^^)

[hard ivy]

The 2.0 circuit additions help a lot

You don't even need memory cells anymore

[ivory condor]

I have seen the methods for "make sushi" in factorio, without going to much into details ||it relies on reading belt contents and using circuits to store states to handle it all, so basically belts and circuits in factorio answer to make sushi, also saw some interesting videos where players answered the question if you can beat the game where everything goes on the same belt and well, that mess turns fun real quick||

[dim cradle]

It's ok I'm about to paste bad factorio sushi so you can see what not to do I guess

[ivory condor]

oh boy

i want to see a player be brave and try to make sushi gleba work, because it would be so much torture indeed

gleba is hard enough even without sushi, that sure would turn into a unique nightmare fast

[dim cradle]

Okay I pasted it in #off-topic-media

It was a cute little base

[hard ivy]

I have done sushi on gleba. Putting everything on one sushi belt would be a horrible idea but it has its place in some builds

[ivory condor]

I meant putting everything on one sushi belt btw

have fun surviving that experience

[reef basin]

was surprisingly easy

(gleba)

[hard ivy]

Ok yeah sushi without any circuit control is indeed a horrible idea

[reef basin]

or without overflow 🙂

[neat berry]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lurking-gif-22179921

[shy mulch]

I'm now imagining a game where the direction and style of play changes completely depending on what kind of transport infrastructure you use. I wonder what that would look like

[neat berry]

i just started oil woo

[ivory condor]

You know what happened to me with gleba, i went unprepared, ended up stuck on that planet for a while until i gave up

[shy mulch]

Sounds like you need some freedom. INCOMING

[dim cradle]

Yeah my friends were surprised that I got this far doing this lmao

[ivory condor]

gleba for me ended up being.....something i will have nightmares about

[reef basin]

my first (and only) run of SA I haven't given myself anything for new planets (well, I gave myself belts, inserters, poles and assemblers, but nothing like "bring nuclear reactor with fuel + 1000 laser turrets") 🙂

so I usually played each planet as if I was starting there

apart from aquillo, obviously

[hard ivy]

You could do a fresh aquilo start. By using a mining ship and dropping raw ore from orbit lmao

[reef basin]

my aquillo transport ship didn't survive the orbit

was destroyed a few hours after arrival 😄

[neat berry]

i started having fun with hypertubes flying around the map

thats how i found my pure oil

[dim cradle]

I found a few pure oils while just sky platforming around the map but idc wtf they did with Bauxite

apparently it's a lot more rare now or I just somehow looked in ALL OF THE WRONG SPOTS

EVERY SINGLE ONE

[shy mulch]

if you don't mind spoilers, you can use SCIM to show you every node location

[ivory condor]

well aquilo would be impossible because its designed with the idea of brings in resources from other planets so

[dim cradle]

Nah I wanna explore this "new" map as if I was fresh so I'll just try to find it naturally

[ivory condor]

thankfully i researched that planet before going so i knew what i was getting into, so brought a tone of supplies with me

[dim cradle]

Not like I'm at aluminum processing yet anyway

[hard ivy]

I don't think bauxite node numbers and locations were significantly changed recently

[ivory condor]

but if i went blind folded into aquilo i probably would have died on that frozen planet

[hard ivy]

I didn't but I built a good ship when going there so I could just send it back and forth for supplies

[ivory condor]

because i would have landed, realized none of the basic resources existed and came to the conclusion of just how totally doomed i am

[dim cradle]

I only launched a rocket with a buddy of mine in Factorio, I guess you all are talking about that space expansion?

[reef basin]

I had to remotely build another ship and bring other stuff to aquillo that I didn't brought in the first run 😄 and also had to design it so that it survives orbit

[reef basin]

yeah

[mortal ginkgo]

I remember someone making a rocket with base materials. So its impossible to be softlocked in any planets. Am I remembering it wrong?

[solemn edge]

can enemies destroy factories

[reef basin]

I wanted my first playthrough to be not affected by external research, so I only knew some things from reading FFF, but otherwise went blindly into it

[leaden turret]

depends on how you define "other people"

[solemn edge]

Im talking about the AI

[leaden turret]

nope

[solemn edge]

awesome

[reef basin]

AI will destroy us all

[leaden turret]

might get stuck in your factory tho

[solemn edge]

Im currently trying to get coal power, and noticed that the closest coal vein spawns enemies

[reef basin]

enemies do not spawn if powered building is nearby

[solemn edge]

ah

[dim cradle]

Oh I was gonna ask what the spawn rules were

what counts a powered building btw

[mortal ginkgo]

enemies stop spawning around well powdered machines so they wont be there when things are going on.

ASIDE FROM THAT ONE LARGE STINGER NEAR MY FACTORY THAT SOMETIMES DECIDE TO SPAWN AND JUMPSCARE ME REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-

[dim cradle]

the smallest thing

[reef basin]

wiki probably has this info

[mortal ginkgo]

if a machine is powdered, it will spend 0.1 MW at least

even when idle

[solemn edge]

also is manifold design better or a screw desing

[mortal ginkgo]

I never heard about screw design

[reef basin]

what is "screw design"?
and wdym by "better"?

[dim cradle]

I guess smelters and constructors are pretty cheap, could just throw them everywhere lol

I was just wondering if lights and stuff counted

[solemn edge]

Then I probably didnt understand what he meant by screw huh

Okay, the question was whats an efficient way to build assemblers

[reef basin]

all ways are the same efficient

[hard ivy]

A running underclocked smelter consumes less iirc

[solemn edge]

not really

[dim cradle]

Coal being near enemies is nothing new tho, your first coal might be pretty far out

[reef basin]

yes, really

[solemn edge]

uhuh

[dim cradle]

And I don't know I find some large irony that even though I spawned in the desert my first oil is a minimum of 1km out

[reef basin]

as long as you have fast enough belts, practically any configuration will eventually lead to machines running at max possible capacity

[solemn edge]

so you're saying this is good?

(Oh wait lemme send a ss in dms)

[reef basin]

don't

[dim cradle]

Oil in the desert, but nope

[ivory condor]

oh its possible to become softlocked on aquilo definitely

[solemn edge]

too late

[reef basin]

just use any other channel like #1038092680493801533

why do people insist on going to DMs all the time

[mortal ginkgo]

Guys. I think I am in love with ElevAda. She said she noticed I am coming back constantly but can't give me much but said she will let me down gently at least.

And said "Ha. Ha."

Glorious.

ElevRomance options 1.2 pls devs

[solemn edge]

Maybe because you cant send screenshots here.

[reef basin]

only in this channel

[solemn edge]

only here?

[reef basin]

yeah

[sterile blade]

I stopped reading after "it relies on" :P
No "spoiler" thanks!

[solemn edge]

I thought it was only for questions- Whoops.

[reef basin]

almost any other channel can do screenshots, #1038092680493801533 , #math-and-meta , #design-and-architecture , pick whichever suits your question and use that

and yes, any belt configuration will work just fine, as long as all machines are connected and belt speed is enough to carry the needed amount

[ivory condor]

fixed it😇

[dim cradle]

I don't think mine can be counted as much of a spoiler considering I totally did it wrong lol

[worthy cosmos]

greeny, look at how many achievements you have in factorio

[dim cradle]

I guess I didn't know about circuits back then

[reef basin]

I don't do achievements for the sake of doing achievements

[worthy cosmos]

yeah but you have 67

[ivory condor]

guess how many i have, exactly ||69||

[worthy cosmos]

yeah

funny numbers

[hard ivy]

The better funny number

[ivory condor]

yeah i wasnt aiming for it, but i have that number

[worthy cosmos]

yeah

[dim cradle]

how do only 8.8% of people have cliff destruction achievement lol

[worthy cosmos]

what

[reef basin]

wasn't it added in space age?

also, many people play with cliffs disabled

[dim cradle]

Then again our most recent save I set the cliffs to max

[hard ivy]

Or achievements disabled

[dim cradle]

Max cliffs isn't too bad tbh, stops aliens from spawning in a decent amount of spots and still gives you a large flatland to work in where you start

Which is easier to defend too

[worthy cosmos]

satisfactory seems like one of the most time consuming games to finish to 100%

[mortal ginkgo]

550h gameplay time and still at phase 2. Working on decoration can indeed be time consuming.

However someone can easily yoloswagbbq69 their way through to last phases much faster

[worthy cosmos]

yeah especially if you're trying to make things look good before you need to.

[dim cradle]

I mean you can just set one one tiny little constructor for everything you need, that's probably being underfed and complete every phase

just afk and leave the game running while you sleep lol

[mortal ginkgo]

I wouldn't call that playing the game but who am I to judge my fellow brothermen

[thorny glen]

is there a way to know where missing items are with the scanner pole building?

or do i just have to run around

[hard ivy]

Entirely depends what you consider to be 100%

[worthy cosmos]

everything

you have everything

[thorny glen]

all tasks isnt too wild

but putting a building on every node is dumb

[worthy cosmos]

yeah that is

[hard ivy]

Ok all slugs would take a while

And all bacon agarics because iirc they don't respawn and therefore probably should count

[shy mulch]

In my main save I have every drive, every sloop, almost ever sphere. Still got a few hundred slugs to go. And I would like to do all bacons too but I'm a long way from that!

It is a goal though, I'll get there eventually 😛

[dim cradle]

I mean it is a game about a factory making things for you so 🤷‍♂️

I actually spent phase 2 doing more exploration than building

And then you know, you do this...

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, whatever floats your factory.

If you are thinking about big BP factories but decide to yoloswag69, maybe you shouldn't think about big BPs.

[dim cradle]

I don't think it would float

🤔

Although a flying factory sounds hella cool

I hated that Empyrion game but one awesome thing about it was the idea of building a space ship factory

I liked Space Engineers a lot more though

[worthy cosmos]

space engineers is cool, the second game is gonna be so good when it's done.

[shy mulch]

If you build a moderately sized factory floating at around the height limit of the map, would you see it from ground level? Or would it just be a few pixels?

[ivory condor]

I heard space engineers 2 so far isnt very good, havent tried it myself though

but the feedback on the sequal from what i have heard so far isnt very good

[hard ivy]

1 foundation would take up about 0.3° of your FOV

[shy mulch]

I'm not convinced it's as clear cut as that, there's some kind of parallax effect going on, things in the distance don't scale like they would in real life

[dim cradle]

I didn't even know there was a 2

[ivory condor]

yep its in ea currently

[dim cradle]

This game has some really weird balancing of how much guarding it puts on certain resources

Some purple slugs, nothing...

One yellow or blue out in the middle of nowhere...

3 bug nests

[rustic quest]

I think we got the importance of slugs wrong, the color is a red herring. I think slugs have their own internal social status so a yellow slug might be more popular and wealthy to hire more muscle than a peasant purple one

[shy mulch]

I think purple ones are pregnant, that's why they give so many shards

[leaden turret]

now giving you the mental image of ||the requisite cliché fanart||

[odd remnant]

I bought it, it's very bare bones. I only got it to support the devs and just in case the devs decide to raise the price after they fully release it on their 1.0.

[shy mulch]

it was going to happen anyway, might as well embrace it

[dim cradle]

Or maybe the purple ones are like these DBZ hermits living out by themselves. Although they all just let you pick them up without any resistance...

If you build a power augmenter and then disassemble it, you get all the sloops back right

I guess I can just save and try it

[hard ivy]

You get all building materials back from anything you place

[dim cradle]

Good, I'm too lazy to set up more coal plants to get to oil lol. The wiki says this thing produces 500 MW so yeahhh

[hard ivy]

500 plus 10% of your grid

[dim cradle]

Lol 10% of my dinky coal factories is nothing, but the 500 MW is great

This thing's huge, looked way smaller in the tech tree

Course first thing I do is just throw myself into the light

... I should have put it higher up

Is there a limit to the amount of oil containers on a train? My oil is so far away that yeah I don't know if I feel like making pipes out to that garbage

[hard ivy]

And before you ask what the input port is for: don't worry about it until tier 9

[hard ivy]

Theoretically, you can make a train as long as you want

[dim cradle]

I guess it would depend on how much oil can accrue while it's traveling

[dim cradle]

Yeah I read that you need like 60GW of power before even bothering lol

[hard ivy]

I would suggest processing the oil into plastic/rubber/power and transporting that. Or not even transporting it at all

[hard ivy]

More like 200

[opaque shadow]

since freight platforms stop loading / unloading while the train is docking, max throughput is < 1200 for fluids

[hard ivy]

It's 896.5 per platform

[opaque shadow]

gotcha

(did you have that number memorized?)

[hard ivy]

No, I pulled up my calculator lol

[dim cradle]

I'd prefer to just do everything at my hub location and it's an excuse to make a train

But I'd think that how much you can load and how much you need to load would depend on how long the train takes to run its course

[hard ivy]

Yeah, train throughput depends on a lot of factors, but round trip time is the most important

[cunning siren]

That is good to know

[dim cradle]

Train vs belts/pipes can effectively be lossless but I guess I need a lot of platforms and make sure none of them get fully saturated and that they all fully drain every time

[cunning siren]

With belts there are throughput monitors so, I CAN tell exactly what is happening. Maybe one of the reasons I enjoy belts 🤔

[rustic quest]

Funnily enough that was a hot topic before 1.1, some people here when someone mentioned it would be nice to have a "flow meter" for items like you have for pipes didn't like the idea. Made the game too easy or something like that

Lo and behold the item counter is here

[hard ivy]

They're always lossless. Trains don't just delete items

[cunning siren]

Well, you gotta click the pipe to see it

It's possible the throughput counter was something that happened out of the 4m foundation floor hole bug with Mk.6 throughputs issue. From what I understand there were situations where 1200 items were not possible 🤷

[rustic quest]

I had that issue yeah

I'm still not sure it was floor holes or just floor holes

but yeah I had instances where 1200 wasn't 1200

[shy mulch]

I use a huge amount of floor holes and never experienced that. In what circumstances does it happen? Can the bug be reproduced?

[rustic quest]

I don't know the specifics, it mostly seemed related to game performances though. Basically at least in my case I was in late game with a ton of stuff running and at that point any slight hitch in the game ticks (or whatever they are called here) made the system skip a beat so to speak so an item that should've been there wasn't there and over time you lost items.
In my case I was seeing item starvation on a factory where on paper the math was perfect (1200 items from a miner divided perfectly among 4 machines for example)

So in my case I don't know much it was due to some bug proper or to the fact that I was hitting the simulation limits for my hardware (I'm not playing on a super powerful pc)

It also seemed related to framerate and it seemed that capping it as low as possible helped slow down the issue, but it never went away in my case

This with 1.0. Now I'm playing again from scratch in 1.1 and I'm far from that phase so I don't know how it is now

[shy mulch]

Weirddd. Maybe I got lucky and had good enough hardware

I'm only on a 4070, pretty average tbh, and my build is fairly large, so I'd have expected if there was any performance related bugs I might have encountered them

[rustic quest]

yeah it wasn't that common I think

it was very annoying so I hope it's fixed or at least mitigated enough that you are much less likely to see it

[dim cradle]

I meant lossless in terms of amount of items you get transporting via train vs just using a belt and/or pipe

[shy mulch]

I don't understand. In what case are there any losses? With the exception of very rare bugs like Yrouel was talking about, items don't just vanish, there is no item loss

Are you meaning reduction in throughput?

[spice patio]

Probably the reduction in throughtput Freight Platforms have for each actual train docking.

Over continous two belts/pipe.

[cunning siren]

I recall this being an old bug that was fixed along with the "megabase Mk.6 lag / stutter belt placement issue", this may have been a pre 1.0 thing that got patched

[rustic pier]

Had fun clearing my fuel generators to start up rocket fuel production

[dim cradle]

It's like Baldur says, there's a travel time to the train. If you don't have enough containers so that during its transit and unloading they overfill, you're taking a loss on the amount of resources you could be getting if you were just pumping them straight back

Via a belt or a pipe

So making a train big enough is pretty important

and I guess it'll only get bigger as your belts and whatnot get better

Now... did they seriously shove this Somersloop inside of a uranium

ffs...

2 picks at that thing nearly kills me instantly

[opaque shadow]

this is absolute mathematical maximum, in the wild it'd be less

[hard ivy]

Well, the maximum is achievable with "depart when empty/full". It just takes a bit more effort to use with fluids because they can't be balanced properly

Maybe packaging, balancing and unpackaging would work, but at that point you might as well transport packaged fluids

[spiral summit]

bruh why do any signs emit next to no light and then any billboard has the power of the sun

[cunning siren]

I use drones for nitro sometimes 🤷 😆 cuz lazy AF

[opaque shadow]

(#math-and-meta message: +- 10sec of leeway reduced the belt throughput from 1405 to ~1400, 1min of leeway reduces it to 1300)

[opaque shadow]

I need an emoji mix of 🤔 and 🤨

[hard ivy]

That's with default settings, no?

[cunning siren]

I recall brightness being a setting in the sign control panel?

[spiral summit]

this is when all signs are at 3

[opaque shadow]

well the context is that the train is carrying plastic / rubber, and I have not yet unlocked T9, so I assume stack size 200
and default settings, yea

[cunning siren]

Yea IDK 🤷

Maybe LED's in the future are wierd like that 😆

[opaque shadow]

ah, I see
your trains can be early but can never be late?

[cunning siren]

Maybe things will be different with "fancy" global illumination RTX hardware ray tracing enabled? There is a bright setting 🤔

[near frost]

what is you HMF recipe that you would use if you have 6400 steal ingot?

[hard ivy]

With default settings, if you want max throughput, they can be neither. Any deviation from the ideal departure time will lead to a loss of throughput.

With depart when empty/full, the train will wait until the ideal departure time, as long as it arrived before it. So yeah, it can be early, but not late

[hard ivy]

Encased

[worthy cosmos]

they should add bread to satisfactory so i can teleport it

[near frost]

very true

[spiral summit]

that really only affects how much natural light enters a space

[versed mesa]

👋

[opaque shadow]

tbh same as kyo297, if you have a lot of steel then Encased is the most comfy

[cunning siren]

OK, so if you use a flood light or something "no go"

[worthy cosmos]

I'm gonna start asking the devs to give me bread or give me bed

[near frost]

okay

[opaque shadow]

(also Encased is the best if you are manually filling them due to it eliminating screws lmao)

[cunning siren]

IMO it's better to have a lot of steel pipe via Iron Pipe alt than it is to have steel ingots 😆

[rustic pier]

I made some nukes last night.. i was thinking it would be bigger

[rustic quest]

I have a feeling a lot of people think that, I surely thought it

[cunning siren]

Oh, you mean like accurate IRL devastation on a incomprehensible scale? 🤔 Perhaps would ruin the game a bit

[rustic quest]

The comment disappeared but the size itself is not necessarily wrong there were designs for really small nukes after all. Curious Droid just recently made a video about this topic

[rustic pier]

It just seems like the blast radius isnt that big. I was hopijg at least triple the size of a normal on

[cunning siren]

It's been a while since I've used a nuke 🤔 so IDK 🤷

[opaque shadow]

I did mention nuke nobes being way smaller than a proper fission device but then, there are floating platforms everywhere so I don't think my (now deleted) comment adds anything

[cunning siren]

Like triple the size of a or cluster?

[opaque shadow]

(also imo: cluster > nuke if you have stun rebar)

[cunning siren]

Wuuuut, odd take

[rustic quest]

It's a valid question and the answer is also a bit terrifying, I suggest the video by Curious Droid if you are wondering "How Small Can You Make a Nuclear Weapon?" I don't know if I can link it but easy to find

[outer moss]

take what?

[cunning siren]

#satisfactory message

[outer moss]

Satisfactory

[worthy cosmos]

are you perhaps joking or do you need a serious explanation

[outer moss]

idk im bored

[cunning siren]

Haxton's: (also imo: cluster > nuke if you have stun rebar)

[opaque shadow]

🤔 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W54 exists but it's way larger than any nobe

[rustic quest]

Anyway yeah I also think the nuke nobelisks are underwhelming both because of the effor needed to make them and because of the small than expected explosion and little consequence they have

[outer moss]

WMD's are always best

[opaque shadow]

you don't know the secret technique, yet

[rustic quest]

There were smaller designs but not necesarily built

[opaque shadow]

that enables it to oneshot nuke hogs

[cunning siren]

Teach us this forbidden technique Master Haxton

[hard ivy]

Also, 6400 steel ingots is 100 HMFs even if you're fairly wasteful with them

[outer moss]

https://tenor.com/view/we-do-a-little-trolling-trolling-shockwave-nuke-nuclear-explosion-gif-21948424

rip no image perms

[opaque shadow]

cluster nobe hits for ~240, main explosion 40, cluster 40x5
also, the clusters shoot up
so, aim the cluster nobelisk for the underside of mobs so the clusters shoot up into the mob
way easier with a stun rebar
way more consistent on gas stingers due to their (relatively) low health

[cunning siren]

That is good to know

[dim cradle]

I dunno if this is actually a thing or not but it would be nice if a late game tech would just let you wormhole materials through lol

Like dimensional storage but for logistics

[opaque shadow]

"roughly underside" works surprisingly consistently

if there is no clusters emerging from the main explosion you'll know it succeded

[cunning siren]

My current strategy on average is point blank Turbo Ammo ™ to the face. "Super effective"

[opaque shadow]

tbh I wonder how the game balance would be changed if we are allowed one (dimensional) downloader

same

[dim cradle]

I feel like I've been doing this pretty backwards considering I have a bunch of things wormholing all of my products and a big thing generating energy out of nothing but I'm still using coal energy

Just feels like there's a slight technological discrepancy here

[cunning siren]

Well yea, it's alien tech vs. our cave man tech

[warm pendant]

does a year old video still works to build a coal power plant?

[opaque shadow]

does it tell you to build 3 water extractors per 8 coal plants

[hard ivy]

Is a coal plant really that difficult that you need a video

[near frost]

Okay I will see

[warm pendant]

yeah

[warm pendant]

well i still dont understand the water thing tried building on my own first and i dont get why the end always drains

[opaque shadow]

...actually yeah it should work, I stopped playing for ~year and returned recently

[hard ivy]

Probably because you tried to put >300 water through a pipe that can only handle 300

[dim cradle]

for the coal part I think each one also uses 15 coal/min

mk1 belt is like 60 so each mk1 belt can be split into 4 coal plants, mk2 is 8

altho I never used mk2 at all

mk3's like 18 I think

[warm pendant]

i used 2 coal nodes overclock them to 120 per minute and use mk2 belt to feed 16 coals

[dim cradle]

lol I just went straight to mk3

[coral bough]

Im transporting 240 with trucks from 4 normal nodes to a lake

[cunning siren]

I'm lazy AF sometimes, with coal for example I overclock everything cuz it's much simpler to put a water extractor on each junciton than it is to count out the ratios 😆

[worthy cosmos]

oh i just have one coal node without overclocking feeding my coal plant

[coral bough]

What kinda node

[worthy cosmos]

idk pure or smth, it outputs 120 per minute with a normal miner

[coral bough]

Yeah its pure, you can make 8 coal plants with that

[worthy cosmos]

yeah

[coral bough]

Is it on that island in the grassy fields?

[warm pendant]

the thing i dont understand is why the end of the waterpipe gets drained and the one close to the pump is always full. did i do wrong putting em waterpumps in at the side of smelters not in middle of them?

[worthy cosmos]

right near to the 2 impure copper nodes?

[coral bough]

If you attach both ends of the pipe near the water extractor it'll be full

[warm pendant]

that i didnt do... only did 1 line and ends there

[coral bough]

Theres only a pure coal node and a caterium node on the island

[worthy cosmos]

yeah next to the island

the copper nodes

[coral bough]

Thats why it fill all the way, on top of the pipes make another one and attach both ends to each other

[coral bough]

Then yeah

[scenic mirage]

are rods used for anything late game

[warm pendant]

dang i didnt realize i need to make a loop

[coral bough]

Id build my coal power where the 4 coal nodes are in that forest though

[coral bough]

If you got alot of things taking liquids from pipes you do

[reef basin]

!wikisearch iron+rod

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=iron+rod

[scenic mirage]

ah ty

[worthy cosmos]

true, I'll get to that at some point, i just have one in the grass fields rn.

[coral bough]

Screws... and we all know screws are in everything

[warm pendant]

thanks ill try that method on my own build

[coral bough]

Good luck, you can also use fluid buffers to help with sloshing

[scenic mirage]

thank god for steel screws and cast screws tho

[coral bough]

Fr

[warm pendant]

yt said i can use water tower right?

[coral bough]

Water tower?

[warm pendant]

making a tall pipe that have pipe pump

[coral bough]

To transport water up high without needing alot of pumps? Then yeah

[reef basin]

no, don't do water towers

[warm pendant]

aight ill keep that in mind

[reef basin]

fluid buffers don't really help with anything and usually hurt more than help. Not recommended

[coral bough]

Ah alr

[rustic quest]

For coal power plants there's this handy diagram https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Coal-Powered_Generator#/media/File:Coal_Generator_Schematic.png

The gist of it is that that configuration of pipes and water extractors enable to feed all the generators while keeping each part of the pipe within then 300m^2/m limit

[warm pendant]

thank you

[rustic quest]

it can work without pumps if you keep the extractors and pipes within 10m so basically if it's built horizontally

[warm pendant]

i now see why that one i did didn't work lmao thanks guys

[waxen cargo]

hot take, nuclear is better than coal

[dim cradle]

I think it's really dumb how I can't just blow up these uranium rocks

🙁

[hard ivy]

Thank god for screwless recipes

[coral bough]

Nuclear is the best source of power no matter what

[warm pendant]

how hard is nuclear? im at tier 4 atm xd

[reef basin]

why would it be hot take?

[shrewd palm]

depends on how high you scale it ngl

[coral bough]

Idk farthest ive got is trains

[reef basin]

basically how hard you make it for yourself. Base nuclear with no waste processing is super easy

[cunning siren]

If you get some early hard drives at the start it's SUPER easy to get Stitched Iron Plate to avoid needing screws at the start 🤷. Rotors are pretty much the only thing that I use screws for and Cast Screws makes that super easy to do. Heavy Encased Frame in Tier 7 can again remove screws from needing to be a thing

[reef basin]

(but also no reason to evade screws)

[dim cradle]

Nuclear is pretty easy, and even if you don't run it optimally it's a lot of power

[cunning siren]

Opinion noted

[shrewd palm]

overall it'll probably be the most complicated thing you've done by a long shot, on a small scale the trouble you have to go through wont be worth what you get vs something like rocket fuel, but when you go all in and do all the uranium its a fun little challenge and also gives you 630GW

[coral bough]

I think I'll keep using screws

[rustic quest]

I like nuclear because it's more interesting and fun to do than coal and oil and because it's optional so you do it if you want to and if you want to means you like that sort of thing so it's fun and not a chore.
Fuel generators is more like "the thing to do" to get a stupid amount of power easily and get that out of the way (build a high power budget so it's no more a concern)

[coral bough]

17 coal plants equal 1 nuclear plant

[hard ivy]

There's plenty of reasons to avoid screws but it's just a byproduct of how the recipes are, not because of screws specifically.

[scenic mirage]

nah thats facts i dont even think i need to make screws or rods at all

[cunning siren]

I get it

[dim cradle]

I ended up just splitting off a tiny bit of my steel beams to make 520 screws/min or something

[hard ivy]

So you're not planning on ever placing another merger?

[scenic mirage]

is 2 fused modular frames/min enough?

[dim cradle]

It was lazy but it works

[shrewd palm]

for building yes but to actually make stuff probably not

[scenic mirage]

im rebuilding my factory rn and trying to make it more modular

[scenic mirage]

im only phase 4 rn

[shrewd palm]

you'll need some for nuclear pasta and maybe some phase 4 alts

i cant remember how they're used in phase 5 but you'll probably need a decent amount for space elevator parts

[cunning siren]

"The best part of the game is making screws" ~ Snutt Treptow, August 15th, 2023

[coral bough]

Heavy modular frames

You also need em for versatile frameworks

[dim cradle]

Then again I also just took one of my iron lines and put 1 single overclocked to the wall constructor on it to pump out pipes

Idk there's all these plans and then I just end up...

[hard ivy]

The best part of playing this game is planning a huge project that'll take several months to build and then not turning on the game because I'm overwhelmed by the scale of said project

[cunning siren]

Is this a personal experince or are you attempting to make a point?

[scenic mirage]

ill plan for 5/min rn but add more later when needed

[round matrix]

is this not the whole point of the game? it's how i've been playing it.. 🧍

[rustic pier]

A regular, clusters do leave a bit to be desired honestly

[hard ivy]

That's what happened to me like 3 times already. First time, I actually built it. Second time, got halfway before 1.0 dropped and destroyed the plans.
The third time is right now and I'm not sure if I'll even start it

[cunning siren]

If the fire rate was higher that would be nice IMO

[cunning siren]

Ooooof

[dim cradle]

Honestly that's why my phase 2 in the end I ended up using only a fraction of the resources I brought back and just let them collect over a couple of hours

Better to just get started and complete badly than not do it

[cunning siren]

I find planning can be a double edged sword so to say. If I am not able to enjoy what I am doing NOW because the desire for some end result is overwhelming me 🤷 kind of defeats the point of playing the game

[lavish dagger]

Just wondering,is it possible to make a computer blueprint with mk2 designer?

[lament niche]

AMERICUH, FUCK YEAH!

[shrewd palm]

it hink you can fit 2 manufacturuers in a mk2 designer

[waxen cargo]

because biofuel is better

[hard ivy]

You should even be able to fit 4 or maybe 6 if you stack them

[opaque shadow]

TIL: width of 1 water extractor = width of 2 coal power plant

[cunning siren]

Coal powah go BRRRRrrrr...
#screenshots message

[warm pendant]

question i made a 16coal generator in a box type form. should i split the in coming coal into 2 sides or just 1 side that goes around the whole build?

[shy mulch]

smelting coal? into what?

[warm pendant]

power

[shy mulch]

oh, coal generators?

[warm pendant]

yeah

[shy mulch]

smelters are a completely different thing

[warm pendant]

ahh yeah my bad

[lavish dagger]

I am talking about,all in one

[shrewd palm]

maybe?

[lavish dagger]

Circuit board,cable plastic

[shrewd palm]

you'll have to find out

[hard ivy]

Like raw resources into computers? Kinda doubt it

[rustic quest]

if the math checks out and you have the belt capacity you can have a single long loop (manifold)

[opaque shadow]

I have a feeling that you are using diferent language version from english
and that it translates badly into English
if then you need to use some channel that can have screenshots, like #screenshots

[rustic quest]

Keep in mind that a system like that takes time to equalize, the generators will have to progressively fill with fuel and stabilize

[warm pendant]

my bad its already 11:24pm here and i still have power outage problem xD

[rustic quest]

And before you start with the fuel make sure everything is full of water, all the machines and pipes

[warm pendant]

aight thanks

[lavish dagger]

Guess what

raw recourses into computers, only rafineries chaffs are clipping to some foundations

took my one and a half hour

[unkempt blade]

yeah hydration is key for a healthy factory

[scenic mirage]

hows it look

[lavish dagger]

Only the chaffs of rafineries are clipping to 2nd floor

no clipping at all

[chrome otter]

is it worth to research the 'Resource Sink Bonus Program' ?

[lavish dagger]

For sure

[chrome otter]

or you have to research everything in order to progress?

[lavish dagger]

Research it brother,you wont be upset

[placid stirrup]

Research every branch you can in the MAM

[chrome otter]

okay thanks

[shrewd palm]

very much so

it'll give you the AWESOME sink which is one of the best ways to get rid overflow/excess resources

[cunning siren]

Smash that MAM! 😆 Continuing the joke: #satisfactory message

[shrewd palm]

and the coupons you get from putting those items in the sink allow you to get all the cosmetics, trophies, decorations, and some extra building/logistics parts from the AWESOME shop

[karmic elm]

Coupons!

[cunning siren]

Purchasing early high speed connectors for early geothermals in the awesome shop is one of my favorite "tricks"

[placid stirrup]

Purchasing? I'm finding them at crash sites

[cunning siren]

Or from Lizard Doggos 🤷 get them where you can and use them on geos ASAP is how I roll

[lavish dagger]

well just wondering could it be possible to blueprint a super computer factory in mk3?

[placid stirrup]

Ditto, I've typically made a temp manu to just make what I need instead of sacrificing precious coups though

that's right Checkit, no reacting to me saying coupons

DANGIT

[cunning siren]

Oh yea, if you are at the point in the game where you can make them sure, do that. I don't really value coupons much as they are super easy to get IMO 🤷

[mystic oriole]

dang I found a crate of Beacons in one of my old saves. Brings me back.

[placid stirrup]

Until you decide you want to unlock everything in the shop

[cunning siren]

Sink more over X time, get more coupons 🤷 it's not that complicated. Focusing on sinking BWD is key IMO if you want to "multi-nut" the awesome shop

[shy mulch]

Even that doesn't really take that long

[coral bough]

Bio fuel sucks

[shy mulch]

Biofuel is my beloved

[coral bough]

Nuclear better

[mystic oriole]

I think my next save, I'll just skip oil, and go straight to nuclear. Maybe a little oil, but nuclear is where it's at.

[untold moat]

Biofuel has its own use case.

[untold moat]

im more of a Rocket Fuel guy myself, but to each their own

[mystic oriole]

Pave the swamp and build the nuclear power plant.

[cunning siren]

I seem to enjoy the process of harvesting bio fuel, I'm not sure why. Maybe because it can be very simple and effective and I enjoy things like this 🤔

[waxen cargo]

I will never understand this reference

[untold moat]

and that is completely OK. everyone enjoys different things in the life, and thats perfectly fine.

[shy mulch]

It isn't a reference, it's just a statement?

[untold moat]

stay innocent.

[mystic oriole]

can one even beat the game without the MAM? I've never tried.

[shy mulch]

I think it should be possible, in theory, I can't think off the top of my head of anything that would be absolutely necessary

[cunning siren]

Oooof, screw that. Me and the MAM are to close to abandon her like that 😆

[dim cradle]

🤔 Isn't the oscillator thing in the muam?

Or does that unlock on its own too

[untold moat]

technically you can get them via crash sites as well as the FICSMAS advent calendar

[hard ivy]

yeah, every item that the MAM unlocks and is required to complete the game is also unlocked by a milestone

[shy mulch]

both, you can unlock it in mam and also in tier 7

[lavish dagger]

just like caterium scanning

[cunning siren]

Unlocking the default recipe through Tier 7 – Bauxite Refinement without doing its MAM research does not make the alternate recipe available 🤔

[shy mulch]

yep, same for anything that is required

[untold moat]

I think there was someone who was trying to get as far as they could in the game without building the space elevator and got up to liquid biofuel before I stopped hearing about them

[rustic pier]

I was expecting moar bombs lol

[cunning siren]

Apparently there is a "trick" to min maxing cluster #satisfactory message

[dim cradle]

still just using normal bombs lo

quality for quantity

[hard ivy]

oh, that's funny. yeah, the alt requires having the oscillator unlocked specifically in the MAM

[untold moat]

I use turbo-ammo. gotta get meself all da dakka for da boiz

[solemn edge]

is it worth migrating for a first playthrough or do I just restart a new game

[untold moat]

wdym migrating?

[solemn edge]

Im currently in grassy area

[cunning siren]

Both are options

[solemn edge]

and im planning on switching spots, as mine is horrid

[untold moat]

yeah, grassy is good for learning in the game, but once you have the basiscs its not great if you want good nodes

[solemn edge]

Not only Im struggling on expanding (due to the horrid spot) but I also have no water/coal nearby

[lavish dagger]

Try to complete phase 1

[solemn edge]

already did

[untold moat]

do you have the map unlocked?

[solemn edge]

and now im realizing how deppresing it is

[lavish dagger]

Then ı think you should migrate

[solemn edge]

I do

But is it worth to just migrate or reset

and even then, where do I go?

the desert biome?

or rocky biome or wtv its called icl

[untold moat]

keep in mind that the world is the same no matter where you spawn, I would recommend personally going to Northern Forest (yes, its a long walk) as the area is rife with pure nodes and advanced ones, and isn't too far from coal, water, and ||oil, sulfur, caterium, and bauxite||

[solemn edge]

Where is that exactly

[untold moat]

desert biome is good for large quantities of the basic 3 ores and lots of open space, but not much else.

[untold moat]

imma ping you in #screenshots with the area circled

[solemn edge]

also isnt it bad for building?

[cunning siren]

Northern Forest can be rough if you want a flat surface and have issues with ramps and or ladders 🤷 AND it's also the best spot if that is not an issue IMO

[solemn edge]

Since it lacks any plains?

[solemn edge]

wait how is that good if its rough

[plucky flower]

I suggest doing NF untill coal power and then do a coal setup and complete movement to the rocky desert

[solemn edge]

I have coal unlocked

[plucky flower]

Since Rockey desert is best late early game

[solemn edge]

that is why I even decided to migrate

[cunning siren]

It CAN be rough if you have issues with ramps and or ladders (building "UP" / "DOWN")

[plucky flower]

Then build one there and move there

[solemn edge]

I build one in NF and go to rocky?

[plucky flower]

You will benefit. I did the same on my second run

[plucky flower]

No to the desert

[solemn edge]

Also uhm, what do I even bring with me

[rustic pier]

Ah i was thinking more for foliage clearing lol

[plucky flower]

if you got coal unlocked go to rockey desert

[solemn edge]

I have way too many items

[plucky flower]

Use an explorer as transport back and forth

[untold moat]

perhaps detonate early before the nobelisk hits the ground, letting the clusters go slightly farther

[rustic pier]

Tfw you are going to sink a ton of smart plating because you already had enough of the item you needed it for already

[untold moat]

do you have bladerunners/the explorer?

[solemn edge]

no.

[untold moat]

||-# until they need it for the later phases of the space elevator||

[solemn edge]

I could've gotten it, but my bum ass already destroyed the factory so like

Actually lemme try making it maybe I have enough to do the tier

[sudden thistle]

whats the best way to transport my computers being produced at munroe falls to my space hub area? #screenshots

[untold moat]

well, you have two options. 1: get a vehicle (tractor, explorer, etc.) to help move you stuff. 2: walk over where you want, open SCIM, and move the items to your new position

[untold moat]

define best.

[sudden thistle]

like, easiest, simplest quickest, most efficient

[solemn edge]

Wait do you want me to get the tractor.?

[solemn edge]

SCIM.?

[untold moat]

southern route would be easiest, the eastern route would be the straightest.

[opaque shadow]

it's not likely that you'd saturate a drone with computers

[untold moat]

one of the pinned sites in #math-and-meta. has a compendium of items, an interactive map, and an ok-ish calculator

[sudden thistle]

i done have drones yet

i was making computers for the radios so i can unlock drones

[opaque shadow]

ah welp

[solemn edge]

Im mroe confused how SCIM helps me move items though

how do I do that

[untold moat]

they also allow you to edit saves, remotely delete/move buildings, etc.

[sudden thistle]

ive already built half the track past my nuclear area

[opaque shadow]

(where's Munroe falls...??)

[sudden thistle]

wdym its on the map?

[solemn edge]

how do I do that though.

[untold moat]

thats a question for someone else, as I don't do that.

[solemn edge]

guh

[untold moat]

opposite side of the dune desert falls.

[opaque shadow]

quick cursory search result tells me that it's one of the default train station names

[clever stone]

Yeah

[sudden thistle]

correct

[clever stone]

So munroe falls can be anywhere

[sudden thistle]

i put a map in #screenshots

[clever stone]

What phase are you at

[sudden thistle]

uh

i just unlocked nuclear power

[untold moat]

they do not have drones, the other transport methods are all equally available AFAIK

[opaque shadow]

magenta seems painful, but then if you are belting it then it is better than the alternative imo

[sudden thistle]

well i was intending on building a track?

is that a bad idea

[untold moat]

there is no bad ideas, just less efficient ones.

[opaque shadow]

imo I would be fine with train-ing those

[untold moat]

technically belting it would be the most consistent, but trains are better IMO because "choo choo"

[clever stone]

Trains are better because you can make massive train stations

[sudden thistle]

choo choo is cool

[untold moat]

had a friend who basically only transported things between facilities by factory cart. it annoyed me to no end.

but they liked it, and it worked; so I couldn't tell them to not to

[sudden thistle]

factory cart??

[green fiber]

factory cart

[untold moat]

basically picture a forklift crossed with a golf cart.

no forks though

[green fiber]

no just picture a single-seat golf cart

thats it

[untold moat]

actually, picture those little pretend cars you give to toddlers. its basically that

[clever stone]

I love the factory cart

I’ve built a few skate parks specifically for it

[rustic pier]

Wait what?

[rustic pier]

Theres more after 5?

[untold moat]

could've sworn ||smart plating was used as a base for another space elevator part, lemme double check||

[solemn edge]

Okay I got the tractor

But like, where do I go then, since someone said rocky and the other NF

[green fiber]

||Modular Engine||

[untold moat]

cool, I was right.

[rustic pier]

The ballistic drive. Need it for the thruster and like he said modular engines for that

I dunno how to do the spoiler on mobile lol

[solemn edge]

also im genuinely confused, @untold moat How do you unlock to see new areas?

Do I need to find something or like?

[untold moat]

go to wherever you want, just know that the Dune Desert doesn't have a lot of biofuel or water, and coal is only around the edges; the Red Forest and Swamp are VERY dangerous for new people

[untold moat]

you walk there.

[solemn edge]

and it automatically unlocks the whole area?

[untold moat]

or you use a ||Radio Tower||

[rustic pier]

Map is open. You are just limited techwise.

[sudden thistle]

the second leg of what i shall call "nuclear rail 1" is complete #screenshots message

[untold moat]

no, that power comes much later in the game. you only unlock areas that are somewhat close to what you can see in game

[solemn edge]

noted

[rustic pier]

Fog of war! As it were

[warm pendant]

what theres type of nodes? i only have the normal

what's the difference on them?

[untold moat]

yep, and if you are in an area like a canyon, the discovery is very limited

[untold moat]

there is Impure, Normal, and Pure. Normal is the base rate of 60 i/min on a mk 1 miner, impure is half of it, and pure is double it

[warm pendant]

oooooo i see why when i mined quartz at the cave in rocky desert i get 120/min

thats good info thanks

[untold moat]

ofc! it was my pleasure

now lets see... what constraint should I do for my newest run...

[solemn edge]

Is this rocky area

(lemme send a pic in screenshots)

[untold moat]

thats either Gold Coast or Rocky Desert, lemme look a bit closer...

[solemn edge]

didnt yall sy rocky desert is good

(I went north/slightly west

[untold moat]

some people believe that. im skeptical

but yes, that is Rocky Desert

[solemn edge]

so do I stay here or

also how do I unlock the area

since its fully black

[hard ivy]

just go there

[solemn edge]

wait, if I drive. it doesnt open up the fog.?

[frail sleet]

Fog only clears in a small area around you

[solemn edge]

I see, but where should I settle then?

[frail sleet]

anywhere you want

[dim cradle]

Okay that took a few reloads. Not sure when they made it so the stupid spiders could jump that high

that must have been like 30 meters

[solemn edge]

where would you recommend.

[mortal ginkgo]

there is a bug with the vehicles yes, you dont open up fog if you are driving with them

[solemn edge]

okay right, but where should I build my base though

[rustic pier]

I usually go on foot. And i go high. I think it shows more that way. Get the ladder from the ticket shop and keep a bunch of rods on you. I used those excessively after i got my Jett pack

[solemn edge]

I was planning on walking

however, I have too many items

[mortal ginkgo]

rocky desert west coast

[solemn edge]

Isnt the west cost pretty

[rustic pier]

Go light.

[solemn edge]

rocky?

[dim cradle]

Yeahhhh looking at the wiki it looks like they overhauled spiders, neato

as if you needed to make an enemy more annoying and disgusting

[rustic pier]

I think the arachnophobia mode is scarier than the spiders >.>

[solemn edge]

why the fuck are the stinger wiki just cats

[dim cradle]

Giant out of place cats doing like half your health bar a leap, yeah

Bit disconcerting

[solemn edge]

I've only encountered those small pieces of shits

Are there like, big ones?

[frail sleet]

yes

[dim cradle]

yeah the ones I found in this area apparently according to the wiki leap like 50 meters

[rustic pier]

And irradiated ones

[dim cradle]

which is kind of stupid lol

[solemn edge]

wait what even counts as arachnophobia

is it like, you feel uncomfortable or what

[rustic pier]

Those small little spiders that run at you lol

And the big ones too

[dim cradle]

arachnophobia is not a Satisfactory specific term

[reef basin]

arachnophobia mode

[dim cradle]

Some people just hate spiders

[solemn edge]

no I know

I genuinely know what that is, Im just confused what counts for it to be arachnophobia

[dim cradle]

As for me I hate all insects and will kill them on sight

[cunning siren]

Fear (Phobias) "happen" to us in very small and very large ways 🤷 both are valid

[frail sleet]

https://youtu.be/WbkD4XsI9n4?t=72 (spider warning)

[solemn edge]

I have a horrible feeling with spiders/wasps

[reef basin]

more like hating the look of them

[solemn edge]

Thats why I dont play terraria

[reef basin]

having fear or disgust

[rustic pier]

Basically anything in the genus arachnid

[solemn edge]

oh

I thought I just had some form of goofiness (I thought arachnophobia was just a scared thing, not a disgust thing)

[cunning siren]

Nah bruh, emotions happen to everybody