satisfactory

[kind oriole]

but how?

its only giving 390-450 mw

[clever stone]

They were built by Todd Howard

[kind oriole]

oh

10%of what?

[clever stone]

Yeah it’s basically all benefits no negatives other than space and cost

[clever stone]

Of your total power

[dim cradle]

My throwing aim is becoming kind of godlike

[hard ivy]

it is additive. 2 give +20%, not 1.1^2 or 21%

[kind oriole]

why is there a output?

[clever stone]

Aesthetic

Doesn’t do anything

[reef basin]

additive, not multiplicative

[hard ivy]

it's an input

[kind oriole]

ok but why is there one?

[amber heath]

how far is reasonable to start making trains for transport of ores

[hard ivy]

because it can take an input

[kind oriole]

what is it?

[hard ivy]

alien power matrix

[reef basin]

any number you're fine with

[amber heath]

i've never made trains

so idk

[reef basin]

go experiment then 🙂

it's personal preference, not some meta number

[hard ivy]

~1 km for me

[kind oriole]

what do i put in it?

[amber heath]

yeah mine is 800m, so then i might just do trains

[hard ivy]

... the matrices

[amber heath]

experiment a bit like greeny said

[kind oriole]

whats that?

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch apm

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=apm

[clever stone]

Oh RIGHT I forgot about those

[kind oriole]

ok

thx

[clever stone]

So it’s not aesthetic but you’re not losing out on anything atm

Just research that when you can

[dim cradle]

I mean I guess on the list of unrealistic things as far as skybridges, idk how I'm making what I'm making out of a few simple ingredients, and not even that many of them...

and tracks require no power so there's that, and no voltage drop on power lines so yeah I guess it doesn't matter

[reef basin]

trains require power, tracks wouldn't need power even irl

[dim cradle]

I meant the conveyor belts

tbf it's like that in factorio too

[mystic oriole]

don't be like that

[dim cradle]

I guess these belts are just powered by those aliens

I'm sure they're kawaii aliens

[amber heath]

can i make flying railways?

the spot i chose is really narrow

so i cant fit 2 lines of railway to go the same way

[reef basin]

you can even clip them into terrain

[hard ivy]

I mean you have to place them on something but you can delete it after

[reef basin]

up to you what you find "reasonable"

[leaden turret]

🪽🪽🪽🪽

[amber heath]

whats that

why does my railway go so weirdly

it does a half moon type of thing

i cant switch it

i press R and nothing happens

oh wait

i think its cuz im trying to put them very weirdly

i think im trying to put them invalidly or however you wanna say it

[clever stone]

I wish there were drone paths

Not because they’re necessary but it just bothers me that some like to fly through factory walls sometimes

[dim cradle]

what happens if an automated truck encounters an enemy

I don't think I've ever used them

[rustic quest]

I'm really happy with 1.1 I think they added many QoL stuff that made it much more polished

[dim cradle]

I dunno what update it came in since I haven played in a long time but this dimensional thing is pretty nice

[rustic quest]

At least for me there's only a couple of things I'd still like to have like sorting the depot list in the inventory and having the setting to use inventory first on by default and moved in the gameplay settings

[dim cradle]

I dunno, I think it's easier to access that setting from inv

I actually prefer dimensional first since it's restocked actively

[rustic quest]

that's the problem for me I end up clicking it by mistake sometimes

[dim cradle]

Hmm

went out and collected 33 of these orbs lol

[rustic quest]

nice

[dim cradle]

just want infinite skybridges

without having to ever restock

[cunning siren]

I love how the Modeler program does the math for me on sloopage over clocks and under clocks, that is super handy. Being able to plug in numbers of machines is also handy

[spice spindle]

quick question. What's the max length the cables can be between power towers?

[cunning siren]

It will tell you when you nudge it to far. Will say something like cable is "too long". I haven't mesured it I would guess ~400 m?

[hard ivy]

300 m iirc? it's on the wiki

[spice spindle]

I forgot the wiki existed ngl

[cunning siren]

Yep 300 m https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Power_Tower

[spice spindle]

thanks!

[leaden turret]

gotta remember to always check the wiki and not the abandoned ad-laden hellscape/trashfire

[coral dock]

anyone else think you should be able to terrform the surrounding areas? like dig and flatten ect

[reef basin]

no

[leaden turret]

yes,but the game wasn't built with it in mind so if it comes at all it's not likely to be for a long time

[coral dock]

well yea, i just think theres so so much being missed out on when it comes to unground factory possabilities

[leaden turret]

not even that, but something I been doing in NMS is digging underground utility tunnels for power / pipes

[coral dock]

or conveyer lines aswell

[white dawn]

On the other hand, what would we be missing out on if they'd spent all the time necessary to support that instead of the stuff they wanted to be working on?

[leaden turret]

world grid [trollface]

[coral dock]

theres alot they can do in general, world grid, also can open more content paths, we already ahve this weird blood god being that tunes into the ficsit rep, maybe expand on that maybe its some soret of alien network or something or maybe add more depth to the pve aspects of the game, maybe waves of enemies come to destroy crucial factory buildings and you build defenses to fortify ect

theres so much satisfactory as a game can branch into its wild

[white dawn]

In the end, the fact is that they spent ~8 years making a gorgeous handcrafted map which did not have any tunnelling / terrain destruction in mind

[leaden turret]

there are things that I would like to see being the very last things added before CSS moves onto their next game and there are things I feel would be better off with a sequel

[coral dock]

map is gorgeous im not complaining

im just saying the possabilities

[white dawn]

Retrofitting the existing game to support something like that would, with a team of CSS's size, presumably take years. And it's very much outside the vision that they wanted for the game

I mean, it's a possibility that they turn Satisfactory into a golf game. :)

[reef basin]

would remove the challenge that terrain is

[white dawn]

A game doesn't have to contain everything; it's okay for a game to have a vision and stick to it

[dim cradle]

I mean a lot of the map I think is basically the same as it was in early access, I think they just tweaked locations of things and added some stuff?

[white dawn]

Personally I'm honestly glad that there's no terrain modification in the game, and I'm not just saying that to be contrarian

[leaden turret]

||they don't have the balls ||

[coral dock]

this is true, its why i said surrounding area maybe a limited area around some kind of heart of factories, so u still need to overcome the challenges of connecting thm

[white dawn]

I like that it's a limitation to work with, and that we always have the handcrafted beauty around us

[coral dock]

use a similar system to the blueprints, place some item that ADDS a grid to the surrounding area, obviously much larger but still

[white dawn]

lol, as for alien defense in particular, they have also very definitively stated they do not want that

Again, not every game has to have literally every feature

I'm personally grateful that Satsifactory's retained its identity throughout the years

[coral dock]

its a great game and is one of my favorites, i just like to imagine what other things they could have or maybe could still expand on i find it fun'

[white dawn]

Though I suppose I don't have to keep going on about it, since the chances of them adding destructible/modifiable terrain is, as far as I can tell, exactly zero

[leaden turret]

game already has alien defense.

we are the aliens

[coral dock]

👍

[leaden turret]

hence my preference for "one of the last things added"

i.e. "we done with the game now, make the map flat, carve great big eggplant canals, hannah's got new worlds to build"

[coral dock]

lol

[twilit ridge]

heyo fluid truck!!

[reef basin]

eh, I wouldn't recommend connecting factories anyway

[coral dock]

useully works for me depends on how yo udo it but i get u

[reef basin]

I personally recommend the independency approach

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[coral dock]

i think it comes to preference

[reef basin]

for sure, that's why "I wouldn't recommend" 🙂

[abstract heron]

about 2% ish done with placing 700 copper refeinrys

[white dawn]

Still feels like an incredible amount of work to even get basic functionality, though

[leaden turret]

hence see also "or sequel"

[unkempt blade]

eggplant canals when?!?

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> banana boat physics, when?

[dim cradle]

Hmm... you know I do like boat transport in theory but I do feel like the map would have to be a lot bigger for it.

[unkempt blade]

I'm just excited that judging from the video today it looks like my vision board for a mk2 factory cart paid out

[dim cradle]

Our rivers are tiny in this

[abstract heron]

@leaden turret

[leaden turret]

not sure why you ping me about factory progress 🤔

[abstract heron]

cause

[shy mulch]

Need container ships. Have a boat yard to load the ship similar to how you load a truck, but it has a capacity for 40 industrial storages. And you set the destination the way you do with drone ports

No real use case, other than it would look badass

[unkempt blade]

only if we can have a tanker ship variant to help fix liquids

[urban bobcat]

if anybody could help me with my situation in the questions-and-help area that would be great. I provided info with my problem there.

[reef basin]

usually takes a while until someone appears who knows the answer, be patient, no need to spam other channels 🙂

[urban bobcat]

alright I just saw this chat being active so I thought i could get some answer from someone here sorry

[reef basin]

people active here are usually active there as well. Just may not know the answer 🤷

[urban bobcat]

i see i see

[dim cradle]

and yeah not sure what is meant by 8 years of development on the map, I think the map itself is still largely the same as it was back when my friend and I played in early access. It just got a few new things and nodes swapped around...?

[reef basin]

there's a LOT of changes, reworks of whole biomes, etc.

[leaden turret]

I've played since update 3 and it's changed a fair bit

[white dawn]

Yeah, there's been essentially constant work on the map for the whole time. Obvs Hannah was also spending time writing for the game and such, but there's been a lot of work on it over the years

[dim cradle]

I see. Visually it looked fairly similar, though I noticed some resource nodes were gone and moved

[unkempt blade]

they had to make each one of the somersloops by hand because they're all subtly different from each other

[white dawn]

The level of detail throughout the thing is frankly staggering. And those floating rocks!

[dim cradle]

Like a Caterium node near the beach that was gone in our save I think

[unkempt blade]

did you know there's not a single spot on the map you can't get to while driving a factory cart?

[dim cradle]

I will say I'm pleasantly surprised it's still getting things, kind of like No Man's Sky still is.

My friend and I thought this was going to be yet another permanent early access game

[white dawn]

Yeah, I'm pleased they hit 1.0

[unkempt blade]

community relations stuff was really above average for the EA time too

[dim cradle]

Now, these dimensional boxes, they're only for your inventory right

you can't just magically portal materials from one side of the map to the other in lieu of belts?

[unkempt blade]

correct

[white dawn]

Correct

[cunning siren]

SoooOO many slugs paid the ultimate price... so I can go more faster with mah jetpack! 😆

[shy mulch]

Think how many factory carts you could transport at a time

[unkempt blade]

I'm holding out hope they let carts use either tubes or portals eventually

[dim cradle]

Wait, so how do you get a minecart onto those huge mushroom ish shaped rock structures without making any jumps of faith?

[white dawn]

Apologies if you saw me mention this before, but I figure you'd appreciate it if not: my hope, now that we're getting fluid truck stations and fluid trucks, is that Factory Carts can be used in those as well, with the small amount of liquid visibly filling up the cabin of the cart. :)

[unkempt blade]

jump pads

[dim cradle]

🤔 that seems error prone, I thought you meant they actually crafted a stable path everywhere

I guess that was hopeful

How do these aliens even know I've stuck an explosive to them...

[viscid bobcat]

idk why but I never have motivation for normal projects but when it comes to power plant projects I get like a new rush for satisfactory

[feral geyser]

Are you suggesting you wouldn't notice something made of steel pipe being thrown at you?

[dim cradle]

Idk if my natural reaction would be "oh time to immediately charge them because I know I'm about to get blown up so I need to hurt them in the process"

[viscid bobcat]

if someone like threw a rock at you you would probably get mad and hit them

especially like a rhino

[dim cradle]

That depends on a lot of things, but I don't think I would just suspect it was an explosive rock that they can detonate

[viscid bobcat]

they dont know its a bomb tho

how would they know its a bomb

[dim cradle]

That's what I mean, the behavior makes sense from a gameplay perspective but for a wild animal to charge you faster than if you probably just shot at it, it's a bit weird

[viscid bobcat]

ok bro you're building a factory that can float in an alien planet

[white dawn]

From a realism perspective, the whole "constantly aggro'd wild beast" trope in videogames in general makes no sense. :)

[viscid bobcat]

I set it to retaliate

[white dawn]

Within the context of "video game animal enemies," creatures attacking you after you've lobbed a steel pipe at them is entirely within the norm. :)

[dim cradle]

It's just a silly nitpick, idc that much lol

[viscid bobcat]

retaliate or go home

for me

I just wanna build a factory

when 50 spiders are gaurding a quartz node that doesnt make sense

[reef basin]

they like the smell of quartz

[solemn crystal]

then the node is impure

[viscid bobcat]

and its covered by a rock btw

[dim cradle]

Yeah the animals guarding random stuff that gives them no beneficial effects is also lul

I think I could understand the slugs?

I reckon they might be able to leech some energy or something from them

[reef basin]

why do people hate on impure nodes so much 🙁

[solemn crystal]

i dont want my miner

to produce at half speed

[dim cradle]

Only like pristine pure nodes

it's like 1/4th but it doesn't matter because your belts can't keep up anyway lol

[reef basin]

it's still the same resource. And I don't care if it's pure or impure, I only care if there's enough for the needs I have

[merry mountain]

Every time I load my game, the personal Depot Uploader shows 3 1/2 stacks of packaged liquid biofuel I was uploading at some point.

I've tried removing them, letting them upload completely, etc, but every time I load my game, they reappear.

Does anyone know how to fix this? (If it was sloops/mercers maybe I wouldn't ask lol)

[solemn crystal]

you underestimate my belt minmaxing

[solemn crystal]

Oh, but thats the thing, its never enough 😉

[dim cradle]

Idk if your belt minmaxing matters, like... the belt can only go at a certain speed. Most miners exceed it

[plucky flower]

electrocude circuit board or heavy encased frame, im trying to set up factory for computers and HMF, but i dont know if the encased was the best, I already have flexible one

[viscid bobcat]

thats so annoying for me

[reef basin]

it's always enough, because I pick place where there's resources I need 🙂

[white dawn]

The most legit case I can think against them is that in the early game, when power is tight, you've gotta spend more power to get the same amount of output if you're using impures compared to normal/pures. Though that goes out the window as soon as you're at coal. :)

[viscid bobcat]

i have only mk 4 belts and I cant overclock my miner fully

[solemn crystal]

oh shit this is the satisfactory discord

wrong server

[white dawn]

(Which is also, IMO, the only legit case against grass fields as a starting area. :)

[dim cradle]

They should have let you just shove a splitter directly on the miner or just made it have multiple outputs

[viscid bobcat]

wait cant you directly attach a splitter to a miner?

[plucky flower]

Someone just rq

[dim cradle]

but I guess it would make the game too fast

[plucky flower]

What was the most efficent one for HMF

like the alt recipe

[reef basin]

depends how do you define "efficient"

[hard ivy]

encased

[dim cradle]

I think I'm fine with impure nodes as long as they're close, but if I'm making a long belt anyway I'm gonna choose pure nodes for the long term

[plucky flower]

Its not that deep, most products with least input

[white dawn]

You can use sites like sftools (https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production) to easily compare production chains, btw. Set an output, and start fiddling with the enabled recipes list. Graph will auto-update as the solver recalculates

[dim cradle]

Impure nodes that are far away are like... high hanging fruit

[plucky flower]

Great stuff, ill check that out

[reef basin]

it kinda is, do you value different resources the same? or do you value rarer resources more?

[dim cradle]

Just value whatever makes you the most bombs the fastest

[unkempt blade]

oh in that case finding them at crash sites is the most efficient

[plucky flower]

"just quick" most efficient isnt up to users preference

Facts arent an opinion

[reef basin]

oh it very much is up to users preference

[dim cradle]

Aside from steel plates, concrete, and bombs, what do you all reckon are the best things to get into dimensional storage the soonest

[reef basin]

because "efficient" isn't defined in any way (apart from game defining it as "machines running at 100%")

[plucky flower]

Why so

[hard ivy]

I mean facts are facts and not up to preference, but which ones you care about very much is

[plucky flower]

Its an word in the dictionary

Yeah but there are always better methods

Like you can do a trig sub if you like for an integral but if you can do a u sub thats way eaiser, those are facts

[unkempt blade]

But what if I say efficiency values my play time (fewest structures) while you say efficiency values the fewest resources? Clearly I'm more correct but how do we know for sure

[white dawn]

Once you're past the very early stages of the game, products are going to require multiple types of resources, and what resources you have nearby, and in what quantities, is going to depend on your personal circumstance. Also if you've got future plans for factories in that area. What matters is how you personally value the available resources at hand -- are you willing to use more Caterium to save on Quartz? Or use more quartz to save on oil? Or whatever?

[plucky flower]

Thats personal efficiency

all im asking is max efficiency

[white dawn]

Like if you value 1 of any base resource equally, then sure, there's a recipe chain which will give you the fewest Generic Ore Unit for the final product

But in the majority of cases, you're not going to value all resources equally

[plucky flower]

I didnt say fewest resources, fewest inputs

[unkempt blade]

max power efficiency?

[reef basin]

what "efficiency" do you mean? power? space? resources? which resources? how do you value different resources against each other? simplicity? how do you quantify that? number of different inputs? least byproducts?

that's all user's preference. Once you mathematically give a value to all of those, then yes, there's one single optimal combination of recipes that leads to the most "optimal" way.

(also notice how I said "combination of recipes". Single recipe is never "optimal", you always have to talk about the whole recipe chain)

[dim cradle]

I guess you could make a map with best strategies for each starting location. Would take a long time unless you had a good algorithm lol

[white dawn]

So there's no unqualified "most efficient" production chain

If you qualify it with "I want to use as little Caterium as possible," then yeah: there are concrete solutions to that

[plucky flower]

least inut to max output, thats max efficiency

[unkempt blade]

except for cast screws which is the GOAT

[white dawn]

But the question of "most efficient" on its own is just unanswerable

[reef basin]

least input? how do you define that? sum of raw resources? or do you give resources weights?

[plucky flower]

Sum of all the raw resources

[white dawn]

It sounds like you personally want an answer as if 1 Iron Ore is as valuable as 1 Sulfur, so that's a qualification which, sure, will have an absolute answer

But there's no solver I'm aware of which will compute that for you. :)

[reef basin]

ok, that's one thing answered, now for the second part - which other recipes you have available?

[reef basin]

tools can do that if you "hack" it a bit

[plucky flower]

That statement is weird as both recipes dont require any sulfur at all

[white dawn]

And to be fair I also haven't spent a lot of time with many of the other solvers out there. :D Could be there's one which does it

[unkempt blade]

they might, what if you use leached iron ingots?

[white dawn]

I mean that's obviously just an example

The point is that you've got to qualify what you mean by "most efficient"

[plucky flower]

Ive got my questions answered, as the others are already done for

[reef basin]

not completely and not truthfully 🤷

[plucky flower]

Fair point, but that doesnt change which end recipe you are going to use for HMF or does it now?

[white dawn]

It can, yes. Recipes can rarely be usefully compared in isolation. It's recipe chains which are the most important

[reef basin]

oh specific combinations of intermediate recipes can very much change which "final recipe" will be the "most optimal"

[dim cradle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/poc898/alternate_recipes_indepth_analysis_an_objective/

Someone did try to do an objective analysis of just alternate recipes. It's quite a bit of math to just that...

[plucky flower]

HEF seems to be the best alt for HMF for max efficiency setups

[white dawn]

Like the most resource-efficient way to produce Screws by some measures is the default Screws recipe

(By making use of steel rods)

[reef basin]

and yet it's not objective and is very much misleading

[reef basin]

not always

[dim cradle]

I think it's possible but you would need probably something on the level of an Nvidia GPU cluster chugging at it

and it would be locationally dependent

[white dawn]

But anyway, that's why I recommended that you start playing with recipe selections on sftools to see how things work to you

[reef basin]

nah, Tools run basically the same algorithm and they are lighting fast

[plucky flower]

I think this is just a matter of opinion just like political parties as we dont really agree with eachother at the moment

[white dawn]

sftools has its own internal idea of how to "weight" the resources against each other, so you're working within those biases in general

But that tends to be Good Enough for most folks. :)

[plucky flower]

I think its best to end it here, before like any of us (probably me since I hadnt had a good day) crash out

[dim cradle]

Yeah but I mean like you might as well just simulate map playthroughs and empirically determine the best strategies. That would be a pure brute force approach and it would take a lot of "timelines"...

[unkempt blade]

this is why we should ignore the feeling of "efficiency" and pick whichever recipe is most fun and if we don't have a fun-based preference we should roll a dice and let fate decide

[leaden turret]

looks at factory cart fleet user person making statement

seems legit

[white dawn]

I'm empirically keeping track of my fun in Excel; I'll let you know once I get some results. :D

[reef basin]

that's a good comparison. There's no "true correct" choice, everybody will have their own preferences (which is totally fine), there will be best parties for specific preferences (e.g. green party if you care a lot about environment), but there's no "best" party in general

the same goes for recipes in Satisfactory - given specific preferences, you can get to "best" for you, but there's never "best" in general

[dim cradle]

I think I always end up going solar in factorio

too bad here it's just screw the planet from the word go lol

[hard ivy]

Ok, I just checked what that'd be and it's ridiculous. gimme a sec to recreate it in tools lmao

[reef basin]

once you define what "best strategy" is mathematically, the calculation would be relatively easy

the hard part is defining what "best strategy" does

[plucky flower]

I meant as least input (sum of all the inputs<normal recipe or different alt)

[dim cradle]

It's simple if your end goal is, say, "complete all of the phases". A huge computational cluster simulating that could eventually come down to an answer.

Of the best strategies, given starting locations.

[unkempt blade]

I support your spreadsheeting. Fun is subjective but it's also quantifiable if you keep track of it! 😆

[dim cradle]

It would be either one answer or a set of answers that all tie

[reef basin]

eh, wouldn't say it's hard to calculate. The optimisation is pretty simple as there's a fixed goal of what you need to produce

[dim cradle]

Yeah but imagine figuring the most efficient of literally everything, including player movements and goals

If it's just "x resources nearby, y walking speed, z resources required per stage", yeah simpler

Although movement speed would change with tech lol

Obviously this is also assuming perfect play and they just never screw up

[reef basin]

with a bit of browser-side coding, you can change tools to optimise for all resources equal 🙂

[hard ivy]

how?

[dim cradle]

Oh shoot I linked an old version of that reddit thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1fekus9/alternate_recipe_ranking_10_optimizing_for/

That's the new one

[unkempt blade]

that's what speed runners do to some degree

[reef basin]

resource weights are sent with the HTTP API request, so you have two options:

• manually make the API request with weights set to 1
• change saved data in localstorage to have the saved weights all be 1

[hard ivy]

Ok, this is what optimizer game me for "lowest sum of raw resources" https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=FPc84lL8O6XmHZjkcSMM

[reef basin]

I got this (the tab should have weights set to 1 for all except water, so feel free to play with it):

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=kgmlFCNTIdzAiK0tEa0u

[dim cradle]

Yeah and it's even worse when you consider the alternate recipes lol, just imagine trying to optimize statistical recipe acquisition

[reef basin]

seems mine uses less resources

[dim cradle]

I think some of the alternate recipes are pretty OP right

[reef basin]

well, depends how you define "OP"

they often have advantages and disadvantages, most people saying that something is OP actually mean "my preferences do not care about those disadvantages, so for me the recipe is pure advantage"

[dim cradle]

I mean some of them just make a lot more for a lot less, often while cutting out a resource type

[willow storm]

some recipes are objectively better though

such as diluted fuel

[steady spindle]

Am I supposed to manuallly upgrade all belts when I get an upgrade

[shrewd palm]

not really

[steady spindle]

That’s what I was hoping you’d say

[willow storm]

if they're fine as is why upgrade them?

[shrewd palm]

the only benefit to faster belts is that they can move more items

so you dont need to upgrade so long as you dont need to move more items

[dim cradle]

I think belts are most worth for like... probably miners?

[shrewd palm]

yes

and maybe screws

[dim cradle]

But I'm skipping mk2s tbh, too lazy to do that

[reef basin]

more complexity, not objectively better

[steady spindle]

Interesting

[dim cradle]

Just gonna go to mk3 I think

[steady spindle]

So choosing what needs faster belts is a part of the game

[shrewd palm]

sort of yes but also no

you can use whatever belt is just barely fast enough

[dim cradle]

It's pretty simple like mk1 can do 60 items max per min so if you're producing faster than that, it might could use a faster belt.

[steady spindle]

I just restarted I didn’t make it too far my shit was too unorganized

[shrewd palm]

or you can go down the route of using entirely one kind of belt

[reef basin]

no reason to touch existing factories imo

they are making what you need them to make, if you need more, build new factory

[steady spindle]

So when you need to start using assemblers and stuff is it wise to go find new ores or just use splitters/mergers with existing product and belts?

[dim cradle]

You can usually just distribute your stuff when it comes to manufacturing, so like... I think better belts are mostly for miners, so you can just split resources into more factories

but I haven't played in a long time so could be wrong

[reef basin]

I personally would always make a new factory for every new item

see e.g. https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[shrewd palm]

in the very early game you can get away with using the starting patches you find to make things, but that doesnt really work any more once you start making things like modular frames

[steady spindle]

That was the conclusion I was coming to

[willow storm]

personally i think making a new factory for every component of a final product is the way to go

[steady spindle]

Plus keeps it organized

[shrewd palm]

but megfactories look so cool

[wicked nacelle]

It works a bit as you unlock faster miners. Each doubles the previous but you may just want to increase the number of the things you’re already making there.

[dim cradle]

anyway so my question earlier, what do you all think are the best things to get into dimensional storage first, steel plates, bombs, and concrete aside?

[wicked nacelle]

Whatever you’re running out of

[willow storm]

okay well, i usually mash all of those factories together so it still ends up being a megafactory

[shrewd palm]

belt materials and then what xaxxon said

[reef basin]

obviously it's just one way to play, but I would recommend that to everyone, especially new people

[steady spindle]

seems more like a challenge than efficient to have like few belts as possible

[dim cradle]

It's mostly for being able to set up miners on the go, even if it's just mk1 track and then bring it all the way back to base using platforms

so yeah I guess whatever I'd use for that...

[steady spindle]

Ahhhh I seee

[wicked nacelle]

Concrete is usually high on most people’s lists. And then sometimes you can just hammer out a few parts from other parts if you unload the basics. Like if you have the parts for frames you can make a handful pretty quick by hand in the field

[steady spindle]

I alreaddy got the first 3 ores and all products going to storage different factories

[dim cradle]

I wish there was a way to make a "little bit of everything" chest, but it would just get stuck as soon as the thing was stuck.

[steady spindle]

I just learned what the belt going to biomass burners were for lol

[dim cradle]

Opening those crash pods can be annoying

[wicked nacelle]

Lose power?

[steady spindle]

Got the storage with fuel going into it

Shit changed my life

Suprised there’s not more automation with fuel

[random berry]

I am trying to understand how to use smart splitter. If the items on the belt are stuck, smart splitter won't pull the items ahead of those that are stuck on the belt?

[steady spindle]

But my homie said down line with coal it gets different

[shrewd palm]

theres so much more automation with fuel

[steady spindle]

Yeah I’m not far at all

[wicked nacelle]

That’s what overflow is for

[steady spindle]

I don’t know what I’m talking about

[dim cradle]

You're further into the game than I am if you're using fuel already. Then again I'm hunting down all this misc crap and just taking my time lol

Coal plants everywhere.

[wicked nacelle]

Most common smart splitter is one item type either left or right and then straight is overflow

That way it never backs up

[shrewd palm]

im gonna have to go on a big exploration at some point but automating explosives with my current setup is tricky to say the least

[steady spindle]

I wish foundations would clip to things you’ve already built

[wicked nacelle]

Belt items are never reordered

[dim cradle]

I had to bring back sulfur from like 2-3 km away on a mk1 belt lol

it was worth it for the bombs

[shrewd palm]

i might have to do that with coal lmao

[dim cradle]

Sky bridges everywhere

[wicked nacelle]

I’d just carry some stacks back for that

[shrewd palm]

or i can sacrifice 4 coal gens

[dim cradle]

Nah dude I gotta have a bomb factory going into a dimensional chest

Unlimited bombs

[random berry]

and overflow will keep going even if the items going left and right are stuck already on the belt?

[shrewd palm]

im gonna be doing that but with explosive rebar

[shrewd palm]

yes

[wicked nacelle]

Sure. But I wouldn’t have run that much because you can make 1000 and upload that from a container and be functionally unlimited until you get to a better spot to make them

[shrewd palm]

the overflow output is for whatever overflows from the other outputs

[dim cradle]

I'm using mk1 track everywhere but I have dimensional chests that can do 120/min so this is totally pointless but I guess it's funny

[shrewd palm]

so that things wont get stuck if something backs up, or if you want to split overflow off from a belt and towards somewhere else

[random berry]

overflow is only straight output?

[shrewd palm]

can be any

[dim cradle]

I dunno I'd still feel insecure with that approach. What if I do just use 1000 bombs while I'm out? Could happen.

[wicked nacelle]

No it can be on any or all outputs. But I’d say it’s common for it to be straight. Followed by another that splits off something else etc. and in the end forward goes to a sink

[dim cradle]

Ah crap I just realized this wet concrete plan is completely useless, I don't even have the thing for it

[random berry]

I am intentionally testing the smart splitter now, and its not doing what I am expecting ((

[dim cradle]

Do yall ever save scum the hard drives

_>

[cunning siren]

Time spent doing that is time you can spend getting more hard drives 🤷

[white dawn]

What behavior are you expecting, and what behavior are you seeing? :)

Remember that if you have one output set to an item, and another output set to "Any," the "Any" output will also output the item defined on the other output. There's a separate "Any Undefined" config you can use instead, though "Overflow" is often the more useful one (which sort of "includes" the Any Undefined functionality)

(If the question you've got is somewhat complex, a #1038092680493801533 thread with screenshots might be better than in here, btw)

[solemn crystal]

unnecessarily spaghettified conveyor belt mk2 jumpscare 👻

[random berry]

so overflow will push the items that are stuck?

[white dawn]

Yep -- In general if you're using Smart Splitters for anything, you'll want an "Overflow" output at every step of the way, so things don't get stuck

[solemn crystal]

Yea

[white dawn]

Usually the last step of any Smart Splitter system is to sent the ultimate overflow to a sink (though if you're trying to implement a bus or something (please don't try to implement a bus) it might loop back to the beginning instead)

[solemn crystal]

So if your output ratio isnt equal, it would help to keep either a buffer or a shredder at the side

[white dawn]

Always handle your Overflow unless you're very sure about your delivery rates. :)

[solemn crystal]

Unfortunately clock speeds can go to unseen decimals, so its never perfect, you cant be too sure

1 extra item and your whole factory is done for

[white dawn]

Yeah, I've never been brave enough to make an overflow-to-sinkless smart splitter setup. :)

[solemn crystal]

I have industrial containers for each item, so if its stuck, i send the over flow to another splitter that sends to another splitter-

If i was being stupid in my shitsave id do that

I just shred it for extra points

[random berry]

I understand now, thanks

[ivory condor]

The thumpnail still makes me wonder what is meant by we fixed fluids kind of, surely they cant mean the addition of fluid trucks, because the common feedback is how frustrating mk2 pipes are

[cunning siren]

Would be nice if train tracks provided power while you are running the track that power is on 😆

Seems kind of silly that it does not

[rustic pier]

? Mine do. I fly along them sometimes

[cunning siren]

When both sides are connected sure, how about when you are running the track?

[rustic pier]

Fair. Lol though i took power of one station and it was still powered when i was rebuilding an area

[gray mango]

trying to use vertical splitters is not fun

[rustic pier]

I do have a hard time with the directions..

I cant tell which side it’s supposed to be facing..

[charred sandal]

Is it possible to flip the direction of a hypertube branch without flipping which side its on>

Feel like there must be. but i cant figure it out

[rustic pier]

Lol

[gray mango]

My big issue is how bugged they are in my blueprints

[rustic pier]

Yeah i wish we could too..

[gray mango]

sometimes unusable sometimes they work

[charred sandal]

Wait we cant?

D: thats surprising

[rustic pier]

Afaik

[hard ivy]

Attaching it to a tube instead of placing it on the ground should help

[charred sandal]

i am attaching it to a tube

:3 maybe ill try attaching it to the ground

[rustic pier]

Herrrrrrrrm. Lemme know how that goes

[charred sandal]

ill lyk when i get back to it :3

[hard ivy]

I heard opinions that it's not that UE5 is bad, it's that it's more difficult/complicated to optimise and most devs don't bother

[hard ivy]

Idk how true that is tho

[frail sleet]

The minimum amount of work that you have to put in is lower with ue5, and that yields good marketing screenshots but terrible performance.

if you put the max effort, it's probably the most capable and well optimised engine in the world (look at witcher 4 for this)

[cunning glade]

So I wanna make 5 nuclear pasta a min and I'm thinking prolly what 10 fused frames is good for that and personal use?

[frail sleet]

another major factor is that many of the optimisations that you need to make the most of UE5 need to be done early, they are not polish which can be added onto a finished product, but actually foundational design decisions.

A lot of devs (for usually bad corporate money churning reasons) make the shiny thing first, and then try to polish performance - and find that they can't actually do that very well unless they rip up and remake half of the game, which they're not able or allowed to do.

[cunning glade]

Prolly aim for 10 and sloop too 20 or something

[charred sandal]

Yeah appears theres no way to do it...

it only rotates on a single axis. how lame

[violet needle]

so.
many.
SCREWS

[abstract heron]

i am making a new project maxeek

[violet needle]

trying to run 3x t1 belts of stirite (sf+) and it takes so many focken screewss

[abstract heron]

i am making 1560 Refinerys all with the water recipe maxeek

roughly 95 refeinrys for concrete 700 for copper and 772 refeirnys for iron

[noble marsh]

Hello everyone
I am really excited for the Console Launch of Satisfactory. Because of this I wanted to ask how much storage Satisfactory needs on PC.
Currently I am running on the limit of my storage so I want to check what I can delete before so that I can install it without trubble.

Okay thank you very much. So more or less 20 Gigs should I have. So will see what can be deleted.
👍👋

[cunning siren]

Sooo... is there a ceiling pipe mount that works with ceiling mount conveyor poles?

[limber plaza]

nudge that mf

[cunning siren]

[pearl salmon]

hi guys, i just reinstalled the game after years, and i've noticed that it now supports community translations. i joined this discord server only to let any dev know (or anyone who handles this) that the romanian translations are HILARIOUSLY bad. they're legit worse than if they were google translated

[limber plaza]

are u trynna stack em on top of each other?

[limber plaza]

how are u trynna stack them updside down basically?

[cunning siren]

Yea, I made a belt highway that uses ceiling mount belts AND now I'm regretting it a little 😆

[white dawn]

If you want to report or help out with stuff like that, btw, there's some info in #open-a-ticket about translations

[cunning siren]

Wanted to avoid using drones for nitro, I guess I still can

[charred sandal]

How do you actually use the hypertube branches?

Google told me E for a radial menu but thats not working

[limber plaza]

show me a pic

[elfin gyro]

my TODO list is brokey 🙁

[pearl salmon]

let me see whether the game hooks me up again enough to want to contribute haha. i just wanted to give this feedback so it's at least noted down in some kanban somewhere. i saw that the preferred feedback platform is the forum but that's a bit too much friction and effort just to say that the romanian translations are awful

[halcyon kite]

Nah, the way I'm rabid for the chance that they fixed Fluids... Please...

[elfin gyro]

my todo list is fixey, the first help post that came up when I searched it fixed it lol

[cunning siren]

#screenshots message

[white dawn]

Fair, though developers are extremely unlikely to notice anything just mentioned out here on the Discord, fwiw

[elfin gyro]

I was about to ask for the source of that question because they haven't mentioned fluids in ages but I'll take not having seen today's vid lol

[halcyon kite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwmpNWuKIJ0

[elfin gyro]

yeah watching it now

[halcyon kite]

Also, they called out Josh for using up to 60GB of data in his world... lol

[elfin gyro]

XD

[halcyon kite]

But hey, I'll take lowered lag and the chance that they will have fluids probably fixed soon.

[elfin gyro]

very curious to see what you mean by fluids fixed

[halcyon kite]

1.2

[elfin gyro]

as they haven't generally been broken per se was the last verdict

[halcyon kite]

I feel like 1.2 is going to be the Fluid Overhaul patch with how cryptic they were in the video today.

[white dawn]

To be fair, it's the video thumbnail itself which used the word "fixed." :)

[elfin gyro]

I'm only at 4m into the video so far

but also it's 6m so...

[white dawn]

The thumbnail plus the only actual content being the Fluid Truck+Station reveal is definitely a troll of some sort; my own thought is that they probably are tweaking the fluid simulation to help with some folks' problems with stuff like 600/min. Apparently they've hinted at stuff on-stream once or twice recently

Yeah, the video content itself doesn't mention anything about actual changes to the fluid simulation

[elfin gyro]

oh wait that's... that's actually kinda sick if that's all they've changed

[white dawn]

But IMO it's at least reasonably likely that they've decided to dive in and try to smooth some rough edges out for folks

[halcyon kite]

I would just like to understand fluids better without having to have the Fluid Bible open when I work on it.

[elfin gyro]

I was worried "fixed" meant they removed the physics and made it more like liquid belts, but no they just made it cooler ig

[white dawn]

Heh, it's all they've publicly released, at least. :D IMO it'd be kind of a cruel trick if that was all they were doing fluidwise for v1.2

[elfin gyro]

tbh I wouldn't be mad if they made liquids more gassy so that hammer went away, but I do like it being somewhat realistic

[white dawn]

Yeah, I'm hoping they don't go "too far" with it; I still want fluids to feel different than solids

(wetter, for one!)

[elfin gyro]

[halcyon kite]

I like fluids being fluidy. I just get annoyed trying to get them to flow properly. I just generally overload a pipe and shrug at the loss. lol

[white dawn]

But the first-time-user experience with trying to push 600/min in particular is often a very painful one, and it'd be nice to have that smoothed out

[elfin gyro]

tbh my ideal "fix" would be to make it so that everything in the bible still works, but there's no/less hammer so that loops aren't as necessary and the 600 issue is reduced

[white dawn]

Yeah, time will tell. :)

[elfin gyro]

honestly I'll take even just that ending

not that I ever have a burning desire to transport liquids with anything less than a train, but it's still neat

[white dawn]

Yeah, no reason not to have fluid trucks, after all. :D

[elfin gyro]

exactly

ok but now I need a petition for fluid carts

[limber plaza]

wanna see mine?

[elfin gyro]

if we can transport needlessly small quantities of items via cart, I want to transport needlessly small quantities of fluids via cart

[limber plaza]

i belted it kinda randomly just because i wanted to finish power but i would just nudge em in or make a BP for it i make BPs for eveything now thanks to @sullen gull

[elfin gyro]

by the way I find it very funny that we now have fluid trucks, but they still require solid fuel

which I get, but it would be interesting if they were forced to take liquid fuel too

maybe one for the mod ideas

[leaden turret]

bringing community attention to new emote suggestion since the CMs are probably asleep #satisfactory-memes message

[limber plaza]

#screenshots thats how i build mine then i build around them and design em later havnt got to that yet either but i use pillars for everything sometimes bigger beams incase i have to move more at a time and i run power along the inside of the pillars all the way to the miners to hide power

also gotta upgrade all the belts i can use less belts now that i have mk6 belts

[leaden turret]

@void gorge 12 seconds in

[limber plaza]

that was for my RF factory

i got bp for it if you need also made one with hollow pillars with lights around using emissive beams if you want a lil design

[leaden turret]

(Mikael's reaction, for context: #satisfactory-memes message)

[cunning siren]

Wow, doors are OP. It seems creatures can not pass 🤷 Gandalf would be proud

[odd remnant]

What is the best way to get credits (Sorry forgot what they're called) without having to hunt for aliens creatures and going around the map -- keep in mind I'm on tier 3 still

[elfin gyro]

I forgot what I love most about trains in this game

choo choo mother-

[shrewd palm]

generally sink overflow stuff

you can also check the wiki for what things give the most sink points and plan around that maybe

[odd remnant]

That takes a long time and not as fast as it needs to be

[shrewd palm]

it wont be as quick as through dna points but it'll be going all the time

[odd remnant]

Is there a way to detect DNA/Animals in the game that makes it easier to spot

[limber plaza]

sink overflow in every factory with smart splitters or make a ticket factory like im doing sinking 30 nuclear pasta per min making 17m points per min

[odd remnant]

I'm not in that process yet

[elfin gyro]

you can compelete the fauna tree to add them into the scanner

[shrewd palm]

i think you can get a hostiles detector upgrade for the object scanner in the alien megafauna tab in the mam

[limber plaza]

u dont have smart splitters?

[odd remnant]

Idk if I have that unlocked, I would have to verify that and see but okay thank you I figured there was

[odd remnant]

Idk

[odd remnant]

Okay

[limber plaza]

i would go around getting hard drives first and collect all the materials around them, can unlock most of the mam that way

[odd remnant]

Yeah i have most unlocked, I need to focus on that more tbh

[limber plaza]

mam is ur bestf

[flat rain]

@reef basin have you ever considered adding a folder like option to your site? basically it would allow us to put multiple tabs into a single "folder".

[dense violet]

you can already save a sort of file that will bring up all the tabs afaik

[versed mesa]

[slender hatch]

Guys I just finished setting up automatic wiring,

And am getting ready for next phase.

What things should I focus on the most starting out in the next phase

[versed mesa]

[rose saffron]

Another 40 billion screws

[slender hatch]

L9rd have mercy

[versed mesa]

Its now been 2 days since I played i am Sad

I did not want this

😭

[unborn nova]

does petrol power use water?

[verbal pine]

not the fuel itself but making the fuel yes

[unborn nova]

ok so its like coal

just with caterium?

[versed mesa]

Yes

[unborn nova]

cool thanks

[verbal pine]

Isnt it better just to put fluids into a container then put them in the already existing trucks then just unpackage?

[shrewd palm]

will depend on how much the tanker trucks can store

hopefully more than fluid freight cars

[verbal pine]

if they are anything like the trains then i cant imagine it being used 🤷‍♂️

@elder apex u got it!!!

[white dawn]

Eh, previously it was the case that that was your only option if you wanted to transport fluids by vehicle

Now that they're adding fluid trucks, you've at least got the choice, should you want it. :)

In the end it's the same question as with trains; fluid train cars work well enough

[quasi otter]

hi guys

[zenith mantle]

Its only me or train signal look a bit bugged right now ?
Still partial done but i have to restart game often since i cant change signal side .

[zenith mantle]

And i can't really choose train direction unless i restart

[stoic spear]

what is the ratio of water extractors to coal powered generators

[shrewd palm]

3:8

or more specifically each gen uses 45 water/min

and 15 coal

[jolly zephyr]

Short answer no, it doesn’t.

Long answer, there are many alt recipes. What you build may or may not require water to make fuel.

The fuel power generator machine does not require water to produce power. (It is not like a coal generator. It is like a biomass burner, but for petroleum)

[unborn nova]

oh even cooler

ty

[stoic spear]

so imagine a rectangle and the base is water extractors and the side is pipes rasing water from both sides into the top with coal powered generators. Does that work

[novel heath]

can someone help me with coal power
hooked up the pure coal node to the coal powered generator and attatched a pipe of that to a water extractor and now im not sure how to turn it all on
added some coal to the coal powered generator but it still isnt turning on?

[stoic spear]

did you add water

[shrewd palm]

it needs to have power lines connected to it for it to run

[distant badge]

Coal gen needs water
Water needs to be pumped by a water extractor
You need a running biomass grid to 'kickstart' the process
The same will be true for any future power grids; you gotta power the production machines that make the fuel to make power.

[split robin]

hey anyone wanna play with me been craving to play mp 14-17?

[turbid merlin]

Who’s looking forward to tanker trunk!

[novel heath]

ohhhh that makes sense

[turbid merlin]

Just saw the video

[shrewd palm]

fluid trucks + (hopefully) some changes to the fluid system

[novel heath]

btw is there any worry of running out of biofuel in the entire world eventually or no

[shrewd palm]

techincally yes but realistically no

however there will problems with trying to maintain biomass burners if you keep trying to use them

[hushed inlet]

What do I do with the URANIUM ore lying around I mean fragments what do I do with them I’m trying to make a train that goes to the bamboo forest!

[distant badge]

Technically, technically, yes.
Realistically, no. It would take more effort than it takes to beat the game to bomb the world clean of biomass, let alone comsume it.

[shrewd palm]

until you start with nuclear power there isnt any need for it

so sink or inventory trash can

[hushed inlet]

Ok?

Is there a rad suit?

[distant badge]

If you need to clear them. mine them then dump them in the trash icon in your inventory as quickly as possible.
Do NOT sort your inventory in the meantime, or you will need to save/reload (game glitch). Not sure if they patched it, but this is just to be safe

[shrewd palm]

yes

you get it in phase 4 along with all the other nuclear stuff

[hushed inlet]

Uhh ok

[fierce zenith]

There should be a button to use the hypertube.... or I need to move mine..... i keep getting sucked in accidentally lmao'

[turbid merlin]

So, my question for everyone is. How many people make belt highways instead of trains.

Second question is. How of you design said belt highways

[distant badge]

I do trains, usually
I have done belt highways
Pretty much just chuck a bunch of stackable conveyor poles to a desired height and width on a blueprint, connect them, and then let it rip on autoconnect

[cunning siren]

Biomass regrowth is quite slow AND the map is VERY big so 🤷 good luck trying to make a dent in the entire maps biomass faster than in can regrow

[shrewd palm]

to answer the first one: i only make a belt highway if i dont want to build a train or a train would be more trouble (so basically just across small biomes, vertical areas, and transporting the resources from biomes to train stations)

to answer the second one: make a bunch of blueprints for conveyor poles and actual belt highways you can autoconnect together

[novel heath]

biomass can regrow?

[distant badge]

Biomass regrows? I thought the devs said it explicitly couldn't?

[fierce zenith]

I'm still making spaghetti.....

[shrewd palm]

fauna respawn but thats it afaik

plants dont come back unless you use SCIM

[fierce zenith]

ending up with a lot of conveyers clipping into the ground and everything. it's ugly but its working lol

[cunning siren]

I've had trees regrow in my base 🤷 it takes a loooong time and it's possible

[novel heath]

btw i got the coal gen and it says 50m of water is inside of it and i hooked it up to test it on a constructor but idt its doing anything?

[rigid glen]

I see some plants come bnack weverytime I open the save. I think it has to do with hand picked vs chainsaw

and it's only a small amount, but some def grow back

[distant badge]

I thought that in U7/U8, but I'm pretty sure it was just map updates between those times, as it happened when I upgraded versions
Have you seen it happen since 1.0?

[cunning siren]

Pretty sure, I mean... the trees were RIGHT next to my bioburners so 🤷 hard to think I would miss it

[distant badge]

If it sounds like it's running (and, more importantly, the light is green) then it's on
If not, make sure your water can get to the generator; if it's too far uphill, it might not.

[shrewd palm]

^^ the map resets with every update

best part about that is that all the slugs and artifacts come back

[novel heath]

can i dm rq

[distant badge]

When they explicitly update the map, it resets; when they don't, it doesn't.

[distant badge]

sure

[turbid merlin]

So with blueprints. I can make a creative world. Do them there. Then transfer said blueprints to any save I want right?

[zealous ruin]

anyone starting a new save soon?

[rigid glen]

Will this work if youhaven't unlocked everything in the non-creative world?

[zealous ruin]

i made a post in looking for group but the guy that responded was 14

[shrewd palm]

the plague of all lfg posts

14 year olds

[zealous ruin]

lol

its hard to find someone to play with

[shrewd palm]

i would but i think i've burnt myself out of satisfactory again

[ivory condor]

Im always burnt out😇

[zealous ruin]

lol

[ivory condor]

And the opponent decides to go mass zergling

[distant badge]

That's when it's break time. There's a reason I've had this game for years and am 'only' at 800 hrs

[solid grail]

rookie numbers i have one whole hour 😎

[zealous ruin]

actually?

[solid grail]

nahh just checken i have 21 hours in the game

[zealous ruin]

all on 1 save or would u be down to start a save w me

[rigid glen]

1966.6 hours, all saves

[solid grail]

Im starting a new save with my friend tmr he is new to the game you can join if you want

[rigid glen]

FAR too much, even though I love the game so much lol

[solid grail]

Or we could already start the save rn

[zealous ruin]

sure, id be down. ive got a little more time played tha you

[zealous ruin]

up 2 u

[red thorn]

Any one know How much storage space will the game tack on console because it says currently 9.53 G but the final build will probably be bigger just wondering what size it will be on November 4th thanks ?

[dense violet]

you basically never need to worry a bout biomass once you get to coal. So don't worry about it

[lime ermine]

did I see liquid carrying trucks in the new dev video!?

[rigid glen]

That was thease at the end, yes

the tease*

Why get disappointed when you don't know all the facts\

And maybe that's coming, a short visual tease says nothing, especially from a dev that tries to be funny

[novel heath]

nearby lake only has like a single spot for a water extractor so im a bit worried
i should build 3 for each extractor right

[cunning glade]

omg

they have merch

i want a conveyer belt for merch

[rigid glen]

coal math = 120 coal + 3 extractors feeds 8 coal gens for 600mw of power

build up from there

[novel heath]

what if i have a single extractor

[rigid glen]

don't build there

that is not ideal for coal

[shrewd palm]

im going to take a wild guess and assume you're building in the grassy fields as well, in which case there is a little pit with a bunch of coal and water to the north (if you know where the 2 big pits are its to the right of those)

[rigid glen]

You can fit 5 or 6 extractors in the grasslands lake, he may be more east towards the purple/pink forest

[shrewd palm]

yeah thats what im thinking

[rigid glen]

If I'm anywhere in the south west of the map I move to the lake with 4 coal nodes, it's perfect for a coal plant

[novel heath]

yeah im there

[distant badge]

You're talking about the lake right next to the coal node atop that little outcrop, right?

more of a pond than anything

[novel heath]

yep

[distant badge]

Your main base is right next to it with all the iron nodes right beneath the arch?

Head north from there, like flat north. Decent-sized pong for multiple extractors next to the gas pillars (not inside the gas zone)

Belt the coal alongside you to there

[shrewd palm]

#screenshots message this is what we're talking about

[verbal pine]

if u sink a lizard doggo u can get an army of cats

[rigid glen]

#screenshots message

[rigid glen]

Great minds 🙂

I love that lake area, it was greats eeing Kibs concrete over the whole thing recently

[shrewd palm]

real

[distant badge]

Oh I was talking about a closer pond, to let them explore at their own pace
But yeah that's the coal pit

[rigid glen]

plus easy acces to iron, copper, limestone, sulphur, quartz and nitrogen

[distant badge]

I also thought you were east of your current location, so my advice somehow still holds lol

Just without the gas pillars this time

[novel heath]

alright thanks

[rigid glen]

We posted screenshots for you too, showing a great location for a larger coal setup, not sure I tagged you, sorry

[novel heath]

oh yeah i saw it thanks a lot

[turbid merlin]

Unsure

[dense violet]

find a better spot for coal power then.
if you started in thegrassy fields, go north west, big lake lots of coal

[frail sleet]

that place is GOAT #screenshots message

[shrewd magnet]

Heya thinking of buying satisfactory is the game fun and worth it?

[distant badge]

I'm (partially) booting up NBLYP for the first time, fingers crossed I got the 26 outputs correctly belted.

[shrewd palm]

Yes

If you’re not careful you will go into a 2-4 week satisfactory induced fugue state

[shrewd magnet]

Is there a high learning curve in this game?

It seems like it

[shrewd palm]

Not really

[dense violet]

do you like sand box building games where you create your own goals?
if yes? yes
if no? no

problem solving, design choices, architecture, lots of options

[shrewd palm]

Like you do t have to go out of your way to learn most things

[rose saffron]

Have you played other factory games

Such as Factorio

[shrewd palm]

The game does a pretty good job of teaching you I think

[shrewd magnet]

Yh I have 100 hours on Factorio

[shrewd palm]

It’s just that some things like train signals and fluid mechanics aren’t explained very well and in the case of fluids aren’t very intuitive

[shrewd magnet]

It seems like a fun game but kinda high in learning curve

[dense violet]

it's pretty different to factorio but the learning curve is basically as hard as you want it to be.

any system in the game can be made very easy, or very complicated. Up to you

[shrewd palm]

For the fluids in this game you’ll think you’re building with them well, but then when you need them to work you realize everything is wrong and everything (including your sanity) falls apart as you spend the next week trying to troubleshoot

But that will hopefully be fixed in 1.2!

[mossy moon]

huh what

did i miss smth important

[dense violet]

hopefully they'll add pipe pressure that explodes the pipes if you do things wrong in 1.2

[shrewd palm]

Fluid trucks are coming in 1.2 and they have also heavily teased a fluid rework

[mossy moon]

how have i not seen or heard abt this

[shrewd palm]

And also some optimization stuff related to belts and pipes

[shrewd magnet]

Is there a roadmap?

[mossy moon]

oh the video is recent

[shrewd palm]

Check announcements, was just revealed today

[shrewd magnet]

For content updates?

[shrewd palm]

No but we won’t see any big ones for a while

Devs are very busy with the console release as well as 1.2 rn

[mossy moon]

ye i just woke up and the video was only 14 hours ago so thats why i missed it

[dense violet]

no, they don't annouce anything until it's basically finalised

[shrewd palm]

Console think will be some time in November and 1.2 probably early next year

[bleak ledge]

QUICK QUESTION. is there a way I can stop items from going into the dimensional depot if its already full of that item?

[frail sleet]

That already happens, you don't have to do anything

[bleak ledge]

no. it stacks items inside waiting to be uploaded even when the capacity is full

[frail sleet]

1 stack of items yes

[dense violet]

not infinitely

[bleak ledge]

but that prevents other items from going in

[shrewd palm]

Build more depots

[dense violet]

you can only put 1 type per depot

[frail sleet]

that is by design, you can't reliably upload multiple items with 1 depot

[dense violet]

the only way you could put more in is to constantly, and in order of upload, use all the items going in.

[bleak ledge]

thats what ive been doing and its worked fine but once its full it breaks

[dense violet]

which would be insane

[frail sleet]

hence the "reliably"

it works til it doesn't, i.e. it's unreliable

[bleak ledge]

ok so I guess I cant stop it from stacking when its full then? damn. how am I supposed to automate that then without having 1 per item type?

[dense violet]

as mentioned by several people, you don't

[frail sleet]

there are way more depots than there are item types so it's not much of an issue

[dense violet]

theres nothing else to build spheres with anyway and theres hundreds on the map

[bleak ledge]

how inconvenient

[dense violet]

just turn on no cost build mode

there's game settings to basically get around every single problem you'd normally have to think about if you want

remove all thinking problems of the game if you so desire

[white dawn]

There's enough spheres on the map to build about 200 Depots even after fully upgrading them from the MAM, btw. :)

[bleak ledge]

yeah I just only have like 20 of them and im only tier 3

[white dawn]

Time to put on that ol' exploration hat, I guess. :)

(Plus then you'll also return back with sloops, hard drives, and DNA!)

[bleak ledge]

fr

[grim carbon]

I’m new to this game

I’ve got iron ore, have crafted some plates and rods

How do I proceed from there?

I have my hub build

Built*

[dense violet]

pick a milestone, go for it

[grim carbon]

I don’t know how to place iron rods into the hub terminal

[dense violet]

click on your rods

or drag

basic compuer user interface

[coarse hearth]

yo could someone help me on why my train isnt loading and unloading materials? please dm me

[dense violet]

make a post with images in #1038092680493801533

[grim carbon]

The upgrade screen is visible

[coarse hearth]

a;r

alr

[grim carbon]

I clicked on the iron rods but nothing happened

I had to double click

[dense violet]

sure. Look, just poke at things in the game and read the info. It's pretty intuitive but unless you poke at things to learn you're going to have a hard time with things 🙂

[grim carbon]

How do I climb up?

[dense violet]

ladders, ramps, jumping

[grim carbon]

Everywhere I go I’m confronted by huge cliffs

I can’t get to my copper ore deposits without climbing

I need help

[leaden turret]

stackable conveyor poles are climbable

as are storage containers

if you don't have ladders or ramps

[dense violet]

what zone did yo ustart in?

[grim carbon]

How am I supposed to find out?

[dense violet]

you clicked on the zone when yo ustarted the game

[leaden turret]

which slot did you click on

[grim carbon]

I don’t have a clue

[leaden turret]

is it Z or M for the map, I forget?

[dense violet]

put a screen shot of your map in #screenshots

[turbid merlin]

M

[grim carbon]

Neither work

[turbid merlin]

What does it say under the map symbol on the bottom right

[leaden turret]

upload save file to scim (linked in #welcome , where to find save file in #faq )

[dense violet]

get up on top of something and just share an image of where you're at , we'll probably recognize it

have as much scenery in the image as you can

[turbid merlin]

Geolocation - Satisfactory edition

[grim carbon]

This is not helping

[dense violet]

"get up on top of something and just share an image of where you're at , we'll probably recognize it"

[grim carbon]

How do I get up there in the first place?

[dense violet]

just as high as convenient

[turbid merlin]

Just take a screenshot of your general area

[dense violet]

something that gives a view of yoru area

[turbid merlin]

And post it

[plain gate]

just post a screenshot

[turbid merlin]

Can be more than one screenshot

[plain gate]

we can probably recognize from eye level

[grim carbon]

i can't paste it

[dense violet]

in #screenshots , as mentioned

[grim carbon]

i put it there

[leaden turret]

grass fields.

walk around, can get up most of the cliffs without climbing, except the ones to the north stretching from east to west

[dense violet]

yeah this is very flat terrain. You're at the very start of the game. A pre tutorial. Don't expect to be able to do anything you like very easily, just work your way forward

[leaden turret]

not how I would phrase it but technically correct

[grim carbon]

i have been trying to work my way around

not getting anywhere

new screenshot

[dense violet]

what's your next milestone

[grim carbon]

hub upgrade 3

[dense violet]

yes this is fine
ok find the resources for that

if your hub isn't next to some iron and copper maybe move it closer

[grim carbon]

what do you think i've been trying to do?

i can't get to any copper without going over cliffs

[dense violet]

then just work on iron.

use your resource scanner

[grim carbon]

i need copper

i am using my scanner

[leaden turret]

walk around the cliffs

[grim carbon]

i can't even get close to the copper

everywhere i look i run into cliffs that are too big to go over or walk around

[leaden turret]

the cliffs in your screenshot aren't that big #screenshots message

[dense violet]

too big to go around? is it physically impossible for you to go around?

is there something thats actually blocking your way?

[grim carbon]

yes more cliffs

[dense violet]

so go, around

[leaden turret]

I think this might require a #1038092680493801533 thread with screenshots showing where to go

[dense violet]

yeah you're going to have to post images of what is stopping you

[leaden turret]

I was more thinking someone having the patience to go to the same location and doodling arrows

[grim carbon]

finally found some

killed my 4th beast, whatever it's calle

how can i pull up a map?

M doesn't work

[dense violet]

might be a hub upgrade. Been a long while

should have a compass at least to get back to hub

[grim carbon]

yes, i have a compass with the hub as a permenant marker

[leaden turret]

The Map, once unlocked in Tier 1, allows pioneers to view areas of the world that they either have explored or scanned using Radar Towers.

[feral geyser]

Field Research milestone

Same one that gives you the MAM

[versed mesa]

💪

[grim carbon]

how do i get to tier 1?

[versed mesa]

By completing it lmfao

[minor panther]

Is there such thing as hacked blueprints? I built a blueprint of a RCM and it has a water extractor in it which is always full despite not being anywhere near water. It also shows as having 0 parts in it and being Idle while it builds, and it also makes my SomerSloop dissapear if i put any inside it. It was also completely invisible when i built it and only appeared after i relogged. Super buggy, super wierd?

[versed mesa]

😂

[hoary galleon]

They appear to be at -28,250

@grim carbon there is copper to your direct north and south, both walkable.

the one to the north is above the gully leading to the small sinkhole, theres a ramp near it

and follow the tutorial, it will unlock things like map

[dense violet]

probably used exploits and or mods. Happens when you download things

[grim carbon]

i've discovered copper and limestone

[hoary galleon]

@grim carbon do you see a really big arch, try looking around there.

[grim carbon]

yes i have seen that

why?

[hoary galleon]

you seemed lost

[grim carbon]

i know the game has the autosave feature

but i'm surprised it still doesn't ask you to save

so, i guess when you quit to close the game completely, it saves your game for the next time you load it up, am i right?

thank you

good night guys

[dense violet]

Just double checked, it does not save on exit , you have to manual save

I didn't think it did

Unless there's a setting somewhere that changes that

[grim carbon]

i didn't see an option to save the game on exit

[bronze atlas]

yeah just autosaves is all it does for me, if i forget to save it reloads at the last autosave when i go back in

[grim carbon]

and it doesn't ask you to save when you click on the exit button

[dense violet]

"you have to manual save"

[grim carbon]

too late, i already closed it

[dense violet]

rip

[hoary galleon]

Crafty has lost 90 seconds of gameplay

[grim carbon]

just 90 seconds isn't that bad

[hoary galleon]

im making that up, i dont know when your autosave was

[grim carbon]

i've gotten to hub upgrade 6 when i quit

[hoary galleon]

good work

[grim carbon]

yeah, i aint doing so bad for a new guy to the block

[hoary galleon]

you get the biomass burner.

and the real game starts

wiht the Space Elevator

[dense violet]

eh, before coal power is still basically a pre tutorial. Getting basics down of belts ect

[grim carbon]

sounds awesome

i've got belts, just not enough materials yet to use them

[tough narwhal]

not sure if i also want to do this #screenshots message to the copper part of the factory lol

[wary perch]

I want belts of coffee cups full of different liquids

[peak wasp]

Why satisfactory when I open it, it closes? I have a good PC and when I start the game I get a UE Crash Error or something like that.

[turbid merlin]

@odd remnant is that all from 1 node for your copper factory?

[odd remnant]

Yes only one node for my copper factory.

I have other locations I might start on but I'm focusing on one node that's close to my homebase

It's not much but it's something to get started on, I also have two nodes close to my homebase for my Iron/steel factory

I'm trying to clean up my homebase cause it was all over the place

[near frost]

ok since i am realy close to finishing my first project (rocket fuel) i realy dont know what or which thing do i work on next, like i have some options but idk which is better and they all have to be done eventually
1: make a train network
2: make plactic and rubbur plant
3: start work on main base
4: start work on my phase 5 factory

5: explore for power slugs and hard drives

[sullen nymph]

1 or 4 and do 5 in between

[near frost]

multitasking? hmmm

[sullen nymph]

Mhm

[near frost]

ya mabey i could do that

OHHHH i could make a guns factory

[sullen nymph]

Meh

[near frost]

so i can do 5 and 1 faster

[turbid merlin]

I’ve got mine as well. But a second node is connected on the other side. I did notice there’s like 3? Copper nodes down the end of that path to the big hole

[near frost]

ya okay i am just gone do 1,4,5 and 6

very smart

[clever stone]

So I’ve got motors and now a rocket fuel plant on my giant base project

What else should I consolidate production at this location

There’s a lot of options but hrmmmmm

[odd remnant]

Yeah it's meant for me to output the conveyer belt and make it cleaner on the inside. ---- I'm trying to do copper, iron and concrete but then make a central hub for everything else in manufacturing. Idk if that will work out but I'm going to try and see how it turns out. Since those are what's next to my homebase

[peak wasp]

Why satisfactory when I open it, it closes? I have a good PC and when I start the game I get a UE Crash Error or something like that.

[spice patio]

Make #1038092680493801533 post.
Include the bottom box text from that Unreal Engine Crash Reporter as text attachment.

[upbeat jacinth]

Does the "one load/unload" condition even work with waiting time?

As far as testing goes One Load always ignore waiting time, while Finish Loading only works with the AND condition

otherwise itll just hit the time limit and go

very strange structuring of the UI

[void tartan]

guys i have a question , now its my first time playin satis and im right now at nuclaer , i heard 1.2 i gonna come out im kinda scared that after i finish all task and factories i wont play game any more what abt u guys do u just start a new one or?

[shy mulch]

Why would stuff not work? It's not early access or beta. This is a fully released game since 1.0

It's just minor tweaks

[void tartan]

satis is for me too fun game but i need ur opinion is it better to after all task and break start a new save or continue old?

[shy mulch]

The release of 1.2 shouldn't make any difference to your experience

I don't understand why 1.2 release would have any impact that would cause you to want to start again

[void tartan]

idk man i gonna finish all things before it , so im just curious abt later do i continue or start over , but nevermind thx anyways

[silk ocean]

No plans I am starting again in 1.2, put far too much time into this fac so far XD

[upbeat jacinth]

Nvm waiting conditions work pretty much as described, its just inconsistent whether the time duration is before or after the loading action

[leaden turret]

fluid trucks

[silk ocean]

as hinted in the most recent video

[dusky topaz]

why do my power grids keep dying

[silk ocean]

too much demand, not enough supply?

If you don't have energy storage then it will trip

[dusky topaz]

i dont have energy storage since im low level

[silk ocean]

You just have to ensure you always have more supply than demand

[quick idol]

what are these changing, what could have such a big impact that u want to start all over

[leaden turret]

• they're going from not existing to existing
• if you didn't use trucks to ship fluids because you couldn't be faffed with packaging them, now you don't have to

[quick idol]

but i wont be anything factory/balancing breaking, will it?

[leaden turret]

if you can't conceive that a new means of logistics would make you want to start over, be glad you lack the imagination to do so

[quick idol]

but i mean trucks, arent really, how do i put it, lets say smart. But what do i know, i do not have that much experience, maybe there are some things i dont see yet.
also excuse my englisch it is not my main language

[leaden turret]

don't worry about it, english is my first language and I think it's a poop language

[dusky topaz]

when do i unlock batterys

[leaden turret]

do you mean batteries or power storage?

[dusky topaz]

power storage

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch power storage

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=power+storage

[dusky topaz]

i completed the first 2 tiers and i cant do any more

[tall lantern]

gotta do the space elevator

[hushed stream]

Hello i have a question regarding "Servers" do any of you know if thers Open ones everyone can join or if its possible to set one up ? for like 5 players ?

[shy mulch]

Why not?

[shy mulch]

#1201555265942724758

[hushed stream]

Thank you ❤️

[hard ivy]

or #dedicated-servers if you want to make one

[grizzled tapir]

My gf can't hear the boom box or the AI talking in game, does anybody know what is going on and how to fix it?

[dusky topaz]

is it possible to drain out a lake

[amber heath]

what are HMF used for in building? (everything except crafting other parts)

[unkempt blade]

the boombox has a pretty small radius for its sound but if she can't hear it at all I can't explain that or the ADA stuff

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch HMF

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=HMF

[amber heath]

oh yeah

thank you

[plucky flower]

Yay just finished my factory for computers in the dune desrt

[grizzled tapir]

Her sound seems to break just randomly. Now she can't even her the forest or creatures

the music

[leaden turret]

@void gorge possible name for suggested emote: ||:mikaelniahegao:||

[azure reef]

i'm at tier 5 right now, when am i able to access rocket fuel and will it be worth getting for jetpack fuel? if not, should i just automate turbofuel? also what fuel should i be using for fuel generators

[cunning siren]

Rocket and Ion Fule is unlocked in the MAM

I have it in tier 4 right now

[azure reef]

ion fuel is very late game though right?

[dense violet]

yes

[cunning siren]

Not really, as long as you want to convert slugs into fuel

I guess tier 4 is considerd late game though

[azure reef]

nah i'd rather just wait until really late game, i'll automate packaged rocket fuel

i'm gonna make sure i dont go overkill though because in my last save i ended up with like 10 industrial storage full of turbofuel

is rocket fuel gonna be worth getting for fuel gens though?

[cunning siren]

The hoarder vibe is real 😆 I do that shit sometimes

[cunning siren]

OH yea, Nitro Rocket Fuel for power is the current "meta"

[dense violet]

eh, you need to build hundreds of the bastards

nuclear has more but smaller steps and each nuclear gen is worth 10 fuel

[cunning siren]

IMO having access to Ion fuel in tier 4 can be super powerful, at that point you have access to all movement and combat gear to treasure hunt like never before. Having all the sloopage and depots maxed out is a massive advantage IMO 🤷

[azure reef]

what do i use until tier 8 though?

[dense violet]

diluted fuel is fine?

[cunning siren]

Geothermal power is possible to unlock and use before one makes coal gens 🤷. It (sometimes) requires using coupons to purchase high speed connectors and plastic, unless you have enough doggos to gift you that. Learning where the coal and water areas are can be helpful if one is not great at exploring / gathering geothermals

If that is not a problem there is 7100 MW of "free power" waiting to be used at tier 4

[azure reef]

doesn't geothermal fluctuate though

[cunning siren]

Yea, and it's not a problem

[leaden turret]

that's what power storages are for

[dense violet]

doesn't matter. have a couple power storage

[azure reef]

ah right

[silk rose]

who wants free factory game?

i mean seriously

satisafctory gift on steam

[cunning siren]

me

[silk rose]

im not sure tho bc of region

[silk rose]

add me

[light ginkgo]

love how the way to fix pipes is to use fluid trucks instead

[shrewd palm]

i think a rework to the fluids system was heavily teased too

[cunning siren]

It sounds like there was some recent information on the game?

[shrewd palm]

and unless the devs are omega trolling the solution to the many, many questions people ask here about why pipe manifolds dont work is not a truck for long distance transportation

[shrewd palm]

#announcements

some 1.2 stuff

[cunning siren]

Will there be a fluid factory cart in 1.2? 😆

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> has not said yet.

expecting question to be not-answered on tuesday 😛

[shrewd palm]

theres a fluid truck at least?

so maybe?

[leaden turret]

fluid factory cart:

🛢️

[void gorge]

A... Flart?

[leaden turret]

do eeet