satisfactory

[cunning glade]

Id rather bring the gas down and have all the fluids at basically ground level

Almost never use this tbh

[cunning siren]

With water extractors, what is the "trick" to getting the vertical height to snap to the grid? I know with foundations the horizontal is taken care of

[dense violet]

sucks to not use really good solutions available to you and then complain about imaginary non solutions not existing

[cunning glade]

I just lock it then nudge up if u mean what I think

[cunning siren]

Not sure water extractors can nudge

[cunning glade]

Huh I was just saying mk3 pipes would be nice I wasn't complaining

[cunning glade]

Ah I may be right inf nudge mod user here

[dense violet]

place the water extractors on the foundations?

[cunning glade]

Love it so much it need too be just stock game

[cunning siren]

Yes, this works AND not for the vertical snap 🤷

[dense violet]

I honestly don't know what you mean by vertical snap, they should all be at the same height at that point

[hard ivy]

How do you want to snap them vertically when they already snap to the surface of the water?

[cunning glade]

I do think if I play long enough I'm going too go over the object limit again tbh

Like the longer the play session the higher it gets

[cunning siren]

Ok, so this sounds like they have a static "depth" and we need to work with that

[dense violet]

I've seen a few oddities where one extractor hasn't been completely level with otehrs, but it's def an outlier rather than normal

[cunning glade]

Yk if I max the object limit again I'm guessing a mod is breaking

[dense violet]

it sounds like something is wrong with your game

never gone over obj limit in my 3500hrs

[cunning glade]

Maybe cuz I'm only at 172h

It goes up so fast

[dense violet]

it really shouldn't

[cunning glade]

Rn I'm at 1020700

Now 1018000

It goes up a good prolly 100 a second or so

Ye roughly that rate

[grim ermine]

Thats no it supposed to happen

There is something seriously wrong...

[pale dew]

I got a question cuz im new should i just build highways with conveyors or just build different factories? cuz i dont have any more of ore nodes near my hub

[hard ivy]

I have absolutely no clue what's normal but that doesn't sound normal

[grim ermine]

Build another factory somewhere else then bring just the finals product(s) back to your hub

[white dawn]

The game itself encourages you to expand outwards and build "output" factories around the world. I personally always recommend smaller factories right near the nodes they need

Conveyor highways are quite common for people to build, but IMO they're also a pain. I'd personally rather just build the new factory right near what it needs

[pale dew]

one more question should i build coal gens near orenodes or factories?

[shrewd palm]

near nodes

[pale dew]

i have about 4 right now and only one is above 200 meters

[hard ivy]

You should build them near water

[pale dew]

yeah i gott water pretty neaar

[shrewd palm]

much easier to make long distance power lines than belts

[grim ermine]

Build coal generators near water. Easier to transport just power than both coal and water

[blissful fable]

just started using vehicles to transport items (mainly plastic to 1 mini i guess factory)

[grim ermine]

What vehicles

[blissful fable]

just 1 tractor for now dont need like 5 or 10 yet

[grim ermine]

Do you not have trains?

[white dawn]

To expand on what other folks said: there's a bunch of places on the map where there's like 3-4 coal nodes right next to largeish bodies of water. Those are kind of tailor-made for coal gens. You'll generally be best off searching for one of those sites for your coal power; once you find it, just drag power lines inbetween that and where your other factories are

[dense violet]

specifically, every start zone has at least one of those spots nearby

[white dawn]

And yeah, if you are going to transport material for coal gens, transport the coal. Build as close to the water as you can

[tranquil maple]

Except the dune desert right?

[pale dew]

so are smaller bodies of water finite or is it just space management?

[dense violet]

it has a couple good spots like that too

[white dawn]

Just space management

[pale dew]

alr

[tranquil maple]

Just how many extracters you can fit

[wintry carbon]

2 or 4 water extractors for 8 coal gens with tier 1 pipes? i got 4 normal coal ores. how much i can build?

[cunning siren]

Will I feel "drity" for leaving the foundations under the water extractors? 🤔 😆

[tranquil maple]

No, it allows u to keep the extractors aligned

[shrewd palm]

each gen takes 15 coal and 45 water i think

[cunning siren]

One knows they "made it" if they enable the "Show only missing build cost in build mode" setting 😆

[hard ivy]

8 coal gens take 360 water, which is 3 extractors

[wintry carbon]

gonna build 32 then with 4 normal ores and t2 miners

so i have enough power for a while

[cunning siren]

Is there a way to not show "hand stuff" on screen? like, do I really need to know what is in the hand with a graphic that blocks my view?

[hard ivy]

H

Alternatively, hold a cup or a nut. Those are small

[cunning siren]

I guess there is the first person FOV setting

OH god, that makes the weapons even worse

Boom box is at least to one side

Funny you can fly with boombox in hands AND you can not fly without the damn handles held 😆

[verbal radish]

hey @violet oyster how did you do to stick generators like this ?

on your picture in screenshots

[dense violet]

where they're all clipped together a ton? mods

[cunning siren]

Hogs can not be killed with Turbobass ™

[verbal radish]

yes ! but nooo it's a mod...

[cunning siren]

OH wait they can!

It just takes a long time

Killed by Goat Music 😆

[dense violet]

don't know why you're surprised, it completely breaks core parts of the game

[hard ivy]

Turbobass deals normal damage. Just not a lot of it

[verbal radish]

yes but i hope for a while but yes it makes sens not to be able to do it

[real shale]

If I drop them off a high enough cliff with it they will

[true mulch]

Only works if you watch them fall and die

If you look away, they may despawn due to being too far, and respawn instantly

[real shale]

What are they scp 173?

[cunning siren]

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

[true mulch]

When you know SAM causes this but can't prove why

[real shale]

Yes.

[real shale]

*Dexter soundtrack starts playing *

[cunning siren]

Did pipe floor holes get "fixed", I recall them being buggy?

[spare ice]

Does anyone know how many coal power gens I can have on 1 water extractor ?

[hard ivy]

8/3

[cunning siren]

OH shizat... if the horizontal vertical pipe mode changes how the pipe is run depending on if you start from a floor hole or the other end 🤔

Is the "head lift" generated by pumps cumulative? Like if I got 9x pumps does that mean I get 90 free head lift?

[true mulch]

No

[spare ice]

So 2 and almost a half 😛 ?

[true mulch]

It resets at each pump

Also each provides 20 not 10

[cunning siren]

I can not explain why I have so much head lift in this situation then 🤔

[hard ivy]

2 and ⅔

[spare ice]

I seee. Just quick question how did you get that 😛 ?

[hard ivy]

1 extractor produces 120/min. 1 coal gen consumes 45. 120/45=8/3

[spare ice]

Ahh

Just got that 😛 THANK YOU !!!! 😄

[cunning siren]

This may be a bug of some kind, filling a fluid buffer 30m above water extractors connect point AND no pumps? WTF?

Lets try 42 m 🤷

Yep... no idea how this is happening

[unkempt blade]

is the network the buffer is attached also attached to anything else that would be getting pumped to the same height?

[true mulch]

#1038092680493801533 if you want help 🤷

[unkempt blade]

So we all know factory carts are the best vehicle and trains are the second best but what's the third best vehicle?

[abstract heron]

hi

[cunning siren]

Floor holes ARE still buggy AND I still can not explain this seemingly infinite head lift with no pumps 🤔

[smoky anvil]

Why do I have more inventory slots when I skip the tutorial?

[cunning siren]

Because you gain some as a reward in the tutorial AND you get them for "free" when you skip it

[smoky anvil]

Starting without the tutorial - 36 slots. Starting with the tutorial completed - 27 slots.

[shy mulch]

I've been pondering this. How many doggos can you balance on a drone? I think this opens up many possibilities

[grim ermine]

How many factory cars can you balance on a drone?

[shy mulch]

How many drones can you balance on a factory cart

[dusk prism]

Quick question about the Blueprint machine. Is it just me or is it very hard to use other people there blueprints? i struugle with that its not build for my grit..

[dense violet]

how so? are you downloading shittily built blueprints?

[cunning siren]

Spends an hour trying to understand how fluid logic is predictable in this game AND failed 😆

[dense violet]

build simple pipes, fluids are predictable

[dusk prism]

Could be why?

[dense violet]

well that would explain it right? there's no quality control on bps you download

there shouldn't be any difference in yours or imported files other than the quality of the build

better to learn how to build and make your own bps

[dusk prism]

Well maybe there u have to point. i wanna learn from other poeple how to get better at the game. And the spaghetti and uncontrolled stuff i have now might not be the best for learning..

[dense violet]

you learn like 1% what you'd learn trying a set up and making it yourself. The game is very hands on

[dusk prism]

I m just decent in building flat. Not big into hight building.

[dense violet]

build a section of buildings, with some space, put logistics through it

multi floors aren't a huge dif tbh

same thing as flat but you get extra options

[unkempt blade]

that seems like a good criteria for our selection process

[fathom anvil]

uhm anyone want to play ?

[dense violet]

#1201555265942724758

[fathom anvil]

forgor to enable see all channels sorryh

[sick falcon]

is cheap silica or rubber concrete a better recipe

[dense violet]

both are useful.

[dense violet]

recipes are only as useful as you create the situations for them

[heavy anvil]

rescan in the hopes of cast screws

[dense violet]

pick what you can use now or in the near future, or reroll

[sick falcon]

is there enough hard drives to unlock all recipes?

[dense violet]

more than enough

this is a game where you're never locked out of content

and having all recipes unlocked is a very useful thing 🙂

[heavy anvil]

yes and you need some to unlock turbo fuel/ionized fuel/rocketfuel

if your at oil processing, its a good idea to unlock turbofuel

[sick falcon]

is there any way to track down my dog he vanished

[dense violet]

afaik they despawn if left alone and not in a proper pen

[sick falcon]

😭

how do i give them a pen

[unkempt blade]

you build one

[sick falcon]

ius there an actual building or do i just put them in a box

[white dawn]

Not an actual building, no -- construct your own to whatever level of fanciness you like. :)

[cunning siren]

Same thing happened here 🤷 somebody else also mentioned the same thing happened a week ago so... I guess it's a thing

Oh wait, you did not have a 4 m foundaiton with walls

Both people in other cases did 🤔

Next time I'll try a 8 m foundation with 4 m walls 😆

[shrewd gyro]

hello, should I restart?

[cunning siren]

If Goat Music is playing

Then yes

[polar leaf]

why do we have no voice chats

[shrewd gyro]

becasue 100 people would be in them

[polar leaf]

that'd be fun

[sick falcon]

thats... the point of voice chats?

[heavy anvil]

suffering from success

[shrewd gyro]

more than 2 people and I dont talk

[leaden turret]

same reason we don't have embeds in most channels

[polar leaf]

you arent forced to join them...

[polar leaf]

it's cus I joined the factorio server recently and damn

no slowmode I can send embed in general

[leaden turret]

people on the internet can't be trusted to not be assholes without constant hand-holding moderation they're not obligated to provide

[polar leaf]

voicechats too

[polar leaf]

fair enough

[heavy anvil]

theres also no way to actively moderate voice channels without having a mod baby sit them

[leaden turret]

👴 back in my day, I remember when they had embeds & external emotes enabled, got dongs galore 👴

[sick falcon]

ok i just saw we have 2 mods online and 60k members online

lmfao

[shrewd gyro]

ops, was wondering why my tractor wast bringing alot of steel, turns out I had disconnected the steel factory from power(added power pylons to the road and deleted the poles I used to use to power it, but forgot to attach pylons to the grid)

[cunning siren]

How much powah does a portal eat? Time to find out

[shrewd gyro]

quick question, why do my tractors when I enable auto pilot, full accelerate backwards until they hit something then start the path?

[white dawn]

Heh, just a weird little glitch in their code. No clue why, but it's often Just A Thing™

Fortunately they should only do it the once, and then be fine

With potentially one exception: if you load a savegame with a vehicle at a truck station, their pathfinding can get similarly weird briefly. Should self-correct pretty quickly, though

[unkempt blade]

sounds like a hilarious feature and not a bug to me

[white dawn]

(Very relatedly: "blue" pause nodes on your route (as opposed to the yellow ones at truck stations) can munge up your vehicles. If you load a save which had a vehicle pausing at a blue pause node, the vehicle will get stuck there forever until you manually intervene. I always recommend looking over your route for any accidental blue pause nodes, and deleting them if you see any)

[unkempt blade]

I do wish vehicle recording was a little less sensitive about pausing or there was like a "don't record pauses right now" mode

[shrewd gyro]

there is just something amazing about having you convayer go under the foundations

[unkempt blade]

if I have to do any sort off careful driving I frequently have to go back and remove unintended pauses

[white dawn]

I mean, that or Just Fix The Bug, of course. :D We shouldn't have to worry about pause nodes, and it otherwise wouldn't really affect throughput if a vehicle stops for a little bit

I suspect that fixing that bug would also fix the new-route weirdness and the yellow-pause-node weirdness too; feels like the same edge cases all around, to me

[undone mango]

can i have some help with something i was making some blueprints but when i try to place them down it just takes the materials and doesnt place them

[white dawn]

Even better is clipping your belts into foundations, so that the items just seem to hover around on the ground!

[shrewd gyro]

NO CLIPPING

sorry caps lock was on

[leaden turret]

✂️

[unkempt blade]

I have a slug carousel built like this and it's fun seeing them zip around on the floor

[leaden turret]

invisible spaghett

[shy mulch]

That's an excellent idea!

Actually... It's making me wonder

If I make a slug racetrack in a blueprint, could I nudge the whole thing to be just under the grass...

[unkempt blade]

might take some effort unless it's a really flat area but sounds like it would look cool

[real shale]

👀

[abstract heron]

Hello how are u

[leaden turret]

🤷‍♂️

[grim ermine]

anyone else lag when building train station related buildings

[abstract heron]

How manny

Is to many @grim ermine

[grim ermine]

literally placed the first one and it lags

its fine after i placed it

but during it lags like hell

[abstract heron]

The hologram sets in do u have a video for it?

[grim ermine]

ill try get one

[abstract heron]

And then make a qa post on discord

[oak adder]

does anyone know of a mod that adds smaller trainstations. Vanilla ones are huge and i cant fit them anywhere

[leaden turret]

what are you doing that you can't fit them places?

[oak adder]

or like i can fit them in but they are just so clunky and big

[lyric thunder]

i mean the game is made to be a huge and chunky

[leaden turret]

are you using trains for freight or using trains to just get around the map due to not wanting to walk?

[oak adder]

freight

but i would like to use them more and the fact that ineed so much space makes me dont want to

[leaden turret]

given freight needs to unload, I'm not sure how smaller train station would help

[leaden turret]

is not factorio, you can build up 😛

[oak adder]

but thats so ugly 😭

[leaden turret]

doesn't have to be https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q="train station" and "architecture"

[oak adder]

i stand corrected

but it would be nice to have something thats basicly just a rail with load and unload capabilities

[leaden turret]

hide station in box, clip tracks into box, build fake station atop

[green fiber]

literally theres a small train stations mod

[oak adder]

i cant find it

[green fiber]

search on ficsit.app

[oak adder]

i am

[leaden turret]

Small Stations and Track props
?

[green fiber]

i think that one

[oak adder]

i cant find that either 😭

now i did ficsit was just stupid

thank you guys!

[leaden turret]

is still on my mental to-do list to do a mods search fork 😅

[spice spindle]

I was gonna just go in blind, but my mess is atrocious. I am giving in to look at a beginner's guide lol

but this is such awesome fun XD

[leaden turret]

embrace the spaghett https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q=spaghett

[spice spindle]

I have certification and work stuff to study for. buying this game was a mistake LOL

[runic sage]

does anyone know how to prioritize a certain type of fuel with jetpack? i have both turbofuel and biofuel and the jetpack chooses the biofuel

[unkempt blade]

figuring out how trains work is way more important than that other stuff

[runic sage]

trains are so simple tho 😭

[white dawn]

When you have the jetpack equipped, there's a little icon on it in your inventory -- click that to set the preferred fuel type

[unkempt blade]

hey chat, this guy just volunteered to help you with all your train troubleshooting

[runic sage]

found it thanks

[leaden turret]

trains:

• go choo

is simple

[runic sage]

is there any way to automate mycella and biofuel? im too lazy to craft fabric 💔

[leaden turret]

polymer resin exists to automate fabric

[white dawn]

(Which is a recipe you can unlock via MAM research, btw -- requires oil. Or actually the recipe is "Polyester Fabric." resin is just the main input to that)

[unkempt blade]

sort of, but the actual answer you want is in the MAM tree

[runic sage]

ah i kinda left the mycelia tree untouched cuz i was too lazy to get them manually

[white dawn]

The answer's nearly always "the MAM." Except when the answer is "factory carts"

[runic sage]

wdym factory carts 💔

i just finished tier 7 and looking at the tier 8 items im scared of starting to automate them 😭

[white dawn]

If it makes you feel any better, Tier 8 is kind of the peak of the game's complexity; the Tier 9 stuff is interesting but is actually a bit easier

(Apart from the fact that various T9 parts do require some T8 parts still)

[white dawn]

Just being silly and memeing a bit. :)

[runic sage]

the items required for tier 8 arent complex, i have all the basic items needed for them already automated. but the sheer amount? 4 computers for 1 item is insane 😭 i need much faster automation

[shrewd gyro]

got a full tier 1 storage of dna capsule and sunk them for 68 tickets

[runic sage]

how tf did you get a full storage of dna capsules

[shrewd gyro]

had like 300 spiter Caracas lol then I slooped them and then slooped alien proteins

also had 100 hog and 20-30 hatchery and stinger

the nobalisk was kinda fun to get

[runic sage]

i think im a little too early game for that

[prime jasper]

Considering how long it is to get a full storage of DNA capsule, it is a bit underwhelming no?

I know the cost of each ticket increase for each DNA capsule (or junk) obtained but still.

[runic sage]

i bought the game a few days ago cuz my friend had it and it seemed fun but he stopped playing it with me so its a solo save

[shrewd gyro]

literally saved them up for 15 hours just to sloop them

[runic sage]

btw how do i find SAM? i literally didnt progress at all in the alien research because of it

[warm summit]

should be able to scan for it

[runic sage]

i need to find it to be able to scan it 💔

[warm summit]

could use satisfactory calculator

[shrewd gyro]

up load your save to satisafactory interactive map and filter for sam ore, you should be able to find the closest node

[warm summit]

or just go on a long walk

https://satisfactory-calculator.com

[white dawn]

It does tend to be in hard-to-get-to places; on top of tall formations or in caves, etc (though a few are more open)

And unlike other resources, it can't be found in resource deposits (the hand-chippy ones which can be destroyed), which could otherwise make them scannable

[shrewd gyro]

the one I have a miner on literally had to crawl through a tiny cave full of stingers. also had to crack open the entrance with a nobalisk

[runic sage]

how do i find the save file

[shrewd gyro]

windows + r, enter %appdata% go back to local and its in the folder factory game

[warm summit]

what are you playing on

[runic sage]

pc

[white dawn]

If you just want to find SAM, you don't really need to upload your savefile, btw

The map will show you where nodes+such are

Though for savefile locations: #faq message

[warm summit]

AppData\Local\FactoryGame

[runic sage]

how do i check my coordinates?

[hidden bough]

Map

[white dawn]

If you do want to see where you are, then yeah, uploading your save is probably easiest. You can toggle ingame coordinates with showdebug from the console, I think, though I believe that the "native" coords shown there are in cm, whereas SCIM reports in meters. So you'd have to mentally shift the decimal around

(Or, uh, yeah, no need to be exact really when node-hunting; can just eyeball it from the ingame map)

[pale dew]

Is there a way to filter out things comming out of truck station or at all

opening 1 spits out thing 1 and opening 2 spits 2

[leaden turret]

1. smart splitters
2. not putting the wrong stuff in the station in the first place

[pale dew]

i have 2 things

in it

What lvl do i get smart splliters?

nvm its not a hub upgrade

[hard ivy]

it's in the MAM

[restive agate]

what approach do you guys use when it comes to factory building. Do you guys have specific factories for each item or one large scalable factory?

[white dawn]

Approaches, of course, vary. :) Personally I go for a factory per item (or, more formally: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency)

Doing large scalable factories tends to be a lot harder unless you're quite used to it

[restive agate]

do modular factories work well late game though?

[reef grotto]

very much so

[restive agate]

im still pretty early on im just trying to plan for later

[reef grotto]

I love not remember why I put an iron rod belt between my 2 screw makers

[heavy anvil]

my factories are so modular i blueprint them

[reef grotto]

oh i might know why, I make 30 rods a minute and use 10/min for a screw machine

[heavy anvil]

i think the blueprint mk 1 should be avalible sooner

just to get people to play with it more and sooner

[spare ice]

Holy shiat, each phase feels like the game gets 10x harder from the minute it gets introduced 😛

[restive agate]

i just feel like i have wasted resources with modular factories I always have a bi product that gets collected in a storage container for it to just build up, i think i may make a central storage system to link all my modular factories together

[spare ice]

What do you guys mean by modular factories ?

[reef grotto]

like having a factory you can just add onto whenever

[restive agate]

individual factoires

[reef grotto]

usually you'd build smth on it to use byproducts, like a fuel factory that also consumes the resin

[white dawn]

Yeah, IMO they do quite nicely. And they allow you to not worry about "planning for later."

You can just make exactly what you need Right Now, knowing that later on you'll make some more for something that needs it more

[spare ice]

As in, you input the resources manually instead of conveyer belt?

[white dawn]

Which can be in another factory, on the other side of the map, maybe using different alts/resources, etc, and that too will be just whatever you happen to need

[spare ice]

You dont have smelter and constructor together ?

[reef grotto]

no, it's fully automated, but it's meant to be growable

[restive agate]

i just fear having to hyper accross the map to get 2 concrete to finish a build LOL

[white dawn]

My late-game-part "factories" are often heavily modularized both partwise and geographically. Like I'll be making part X over here, part Y over here, and then just bringing them together in some other location that's convenient

But each factory is specifically made for those specific exports

So it's all just simple A->B transfers for everything

(I do "cheat" and sometimes make a plan for a bunch of stuff at once -- like on my 1.0 save I actually ended up with just a single Supercomputer factory, which had dedicated machines supplying an export for where it was needed. But I only did that because I specifically made a plan for everything that I knew was gonna need Supercomputers (which is a lot easier if you've already been through the game once))

[restive agate]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fjgaGN8m5rw ive seen this video and honestly love the idea of a scalable mega factory with modular blueprints

[white dawn]

No matter what build strategy you use, you can always bend your rules, etc. :D

[plucky flower]

Why would people even do a new playtrough if they arent going to speedrun it. Just thought about it and doesnt make any sense to me

[white dawn]

Because they enjoy the game and want to keep playing? Because the relative simplicity of the earlier phases is a nice comfort-food kind of thing? 'cause they want to build in new locations, or with different alt recipes, or with different build strategies? etc...

[restive agate]

for me its because i learn more optimal ways to do things and I like to start new with the new knowledge on the game to be more efficient

[plucky flower]

Yes but why not delete your factory and start it again

[white dawn]

Also for me, I tend to do new runthroughs after there's been more "major" updates, so there's usually fun new stuff to interact with that wasn't there previously

[rough rock]

Hey guys just a question, does the game have a specific ending?

[plucky flower]

Having to go trough the biomass phase would be really annoying right

[plucky flower]

Thats really logical

[restive agate]

it is but idk something about starting new seems better then a ng+ on the same world imo

[white dawn]

Because deleting/deconstructing is extraordinarily time-consuming and annoying, if you've got factories of any size whatsoever

[plucky flower]

Allright

[white dawn]

Can trivially skip Phase 1 (or any other phase) if you want, with AGS.

[plucky flower]

Wait what is that

[white dawn]

I personally don't find Phase 1 very bothersome, especially now that we have belt-fed burners

[white dawn]

Advanced Game Settings

[plucky flower]

Oohh

Nevermind then

😂

[leaden turret]

1. decide on build strategy
2. play with said build strategy
3. refine build strategy while playing while you can
4. if sufficiently large number of changes to build strategy that can't be integrated into current playthrough has been amassed, repeat from step 1

[spare ice]

Do you guys move each phase ish?

[plucky flower]

Clear and good. Thank you for your answer

[spare ice]

I now need crude oil for refinery, how do you guys do ?

[runic sage]

gng how do i go through tier 8 💔 i need so many computers

[leaden turret]

looks at 23+ playthroughs

[restive agate]

you dont

[plucky flower]

while looking at someone with 30hrs😂

(me)

[runic sage]

dont go through tier 8?do i just give up?

[restive agate]

exactly

[white dawn]

Make moar computers!

[runic sage]

i need 800 computers for just 3 of the objectives😭

[white dawn]

The trick is to target a specific time-to-completion

Like say you want to finish delivery of a part in 4 hours; that'll give you a target per-minute rate for the elevator part. Working your way backwards, that tells you what rate of computer production you need to support that

And at that point it's a balance of how much time you spend factory-building versus waiting

Realistically you can target some reasonably-long delivery times, since you'll have the next factory to build anyway. By the time you're done building out the next part to deliver, the previous one's likely to already be done

[runic sage]

i could theoretically buy the computers from the shop to get the nuclear energy then i can make all my crude oil factories target mainly plastic to boost computer production for all the other objectives

[white dawn]

Or make entirely new Computer factories. :)

I guarantee you that you're nowhere near exhausting the map's oil supplies

[runic sage]

true

but im too lazy to do that ❤️

also i have around 5 crude oil supplies next to eachother so id like to use them to the fullest before maximizing the map

[white dawn]

You really, really have to try before you even get close to literally maxing out a resource on the map

I totally understand the desire to max out local nodes before moving on, but just know that there's really no practical reason you need to do so, unless you're very specifically doing mega-project type things

[shy fog]

27 nuclear pasta to go

[white dawn]

Basically just know that it's your choice to restrict yourself that way, not an actual limitation imposed on you by the game. :)

[runic sage]

btw can i add you if i have more questions and just to talk and wtv?

[lethal scroll]

do mushrooms respawn? aka, is there a renewable source of mycelium?

[heavy anvil]

may your fuzes blow and your copper pellets stop working for no reason

[runic sage]

i think everything respawns but why do you need a renewable source of mycelium?

[lethal scroll]

munchroom

[shy fog]

Hey, I've put a lot of work into not doing everything right and still being successful

[runic sage]

whats that

[lethal scroll]

nah just bc I wanna make sure I don't run out of mycellium making inhalers

[white dawn]

There is not, no. But if it's fabric production you're concerned about, remember that there's a way to automate fabric production which doesn't use mycelia

@heavy anvil -- No, mycelia does not respawn in 3 days, btw.

The only foliage that respawns is berries and nuts, so long as you don't chop down the actual plant

[heavy anvil]

it respawns, i know that much, it would be logical to conclude that it shares the same timer as berries, but yes synthetic fabric is the way to go

[white dawn]

I tend to keep conversation in channel, btw. I do accept DMs, but I tend to keep Discord "friends" to people I actually know in real life

[white dawn]

Mycelia very much does not respawn. It's technically a finite resource.

[runic sage]

makes sense

[white dawn]

There have been map updates in the past which have caused unintentional respawning of stuff that's not intended to (which would include mushrooms and such), but CSS have probably fixed that up by now

[white dawn]

There are other recipes for inhalers which don't require mycelia, btw.

In practice there's far more on the map than you'll ever need, of course. But you can always mix it up later. :)

[lyric thunder]

i just build my first factory with a fully used MK5 belt.

780 Iron/s i love it

[lethal scroll]

I know, I just wanna make sure I dont accidentally ruin the chance to get synthetic fabric and other mam research by using up all the mushrooms lol

just got clapped by a big spitter while typing 💀

[plucky flower]

I want to move from spawn location. I assume biomes arent that big or am I mistaken. I came from the basic one and want to move to the desert. Yes I have already checked pins FAQ and help. Are biomes really big or just takes a minute of 30 to get trough

[lethal scroll]

the map is starting more and more to look like a spiderweb of power cables

[white dawn]

Heh, don't worry about it; there's a ton out there. :)

[lethal scroll]

i place them everywhere to get around

[plucky flower]

You could also aim for unlocking hyper tubes. And use a parachute or jetpack to go from there

[white dawn]

The map is quite large; with movement tech like blade runners and a jetpack I seem to recall it takes something like 10-11 minutes to run the longest diagonal on foot

In the early game that would take quite a bit longer, 'cause there's a lot of terrain in the way

You can definitely move wherever you like, though

[plucky flower]

Okay pretty doable

[lethal scroll]

I suggest going for blade runners as soon as you possibly can

[plucky flower]

Had this game while I was young where I needed to sprint jump for 2 hours to get to the other side

[plucky flower]

Im already there. Next is making steel for me

[lethal scroll]

thats the stage im at. I have steel production (shoddily) animated, but none of the steel parts yet

im exploring atm

[plucky flower]

Im going to do the same

[lethal scroll]

I have steel ingots filling up 4 double containers

[plucky flower]

Do some hard drive gathering

[lethal scroll]

then manually crafting pipes and steel beams as needed

[plucky flower]

That's awesome

[unborn nova]

is there a better way for me to fuel everything than the biomass stuff? or do i js gotta cut down a whole forest

[plucky flower]

Or just let s constructie do it

[unborn nova]

it seems like im burning through it pretty quick

[white dawn]

Once you complete your first Space Elevator delivery, you'll be ready to unlock the next phase of power, which is fully-automatable

[plucky flower]

You can get solid biomass

[unborn nova]

oh sick

[lethal scroll]

I know, just havent set that up yet. my coal plant is working proper and looking clean, but my steel is still pure temp setup. I'll eventually put up an entirely new building for it.

[plucky flower]

Which takes less for longer duration

[unborn nova]

im waiting on the plates rn to craft

[white dawn]

(and yeah, if you're not already converting everything into Solid Biofuel before burning, definitely do that. But starting with Phase 2+, you'll never have to manually collect biomass again (unless you want to))

[plucky flower]

Good idea

[unborn nova]

ya i think thats what im using rn is the logs of biomass

[plucky flower]

Yep

[lethal scroll]

btw, if there are any, what are the BEST alternative recipes for steel ingot production, steel beams, and steel pipes?

[plucky flower]

just use a chainsaw

[unborn nova]

ye its no big deal rn but its not something i would want to do for the rest of the playthrough

[plucky flower]

I think being able to craft iron pipes is one of the best alt for steel production

[rose saffron]

you won't

[plucky flower]

Use the chainsaw to unleash anger and wrath

[rose saffron]

I believe once you actually need to start scaling up you'll get access to coal power

[unborn nova]

ya probably

[plucky flower]

It's a tool of doom

[unborn nova]

im getting to that point

[rose saffron]

I'm currently using biofuel and those logs last a very long time so it hasn't been an issue

[plucky flower]

Yep and when you are able to rush to the second phase

[runic sage]

yeah but automated energy is beautiful

[plucky flower]

Get the coal powe running and redo your iron farm

[unborn nova]

yea i had a pretty big stockpile of them until i needed more biomass gens and they all munching like 50 a min

[plucky flower]

mk2 miners

[rose saffron]

I really like how foundations are the same cost no matter the size

[white dawn]

So in general, there's no such thing as "good" or "bad" alt recipes. They're basically all there to just give you options while building. They've got upsides and downsides, and the ones you might want to use can change from location to location, or factory to factory.

[plucky flower]

Super cool

[white dawn]

That said, Solid Steel Ingot is one of the few which is quite popular -- pretty significant boost to resource efficiency, at the cost of some extra factory complexity

[rose saffron]

I hope I get access to better power poles though

[plucky flower]

Darn tooting you will

[rose saffron]

well, I know I do because these are named mk1

[plucky flower]

pretty fast too. Phase 2 is a relief

[rose saffron]

but I hope I get access to better ones soon

[plucky flower]

Phase 2 contains them. Really easy to unlock

[white dawn]

One trick with power poles is to hook them up as if they're a manifold, btw. ie: ```
[B] [B] [B] [B]
^ ^ ^ ^
| | | |
... ---> [P] ---- [P] ---- [P] ---- [P] ---- ...

Over time I've found that I rarely end up using anything other than mk1 poles after adopting that kind of strategy

[rose saffron]

I'm on tier 2, before phase 1

[plucky flower]

yep but still for first playtrough it indt bad

[plucky flower]

Just rush. Boost production for one product and get the smart plating in and the rest

You will scream and shout and let it all out once you get coal power and the resy

[rose saffron]

am I able to move the space elevator later

[white dawn]

You can get the mk2 pole in phase 1, btw. Just gotta find Caterium

[white dawn]

Tiers 1+2 are Phase 1, btw. So you're in phase 1. :)

[plucky flower]

Fair point.

So Meme-Thief if you really want it now just search for cartesiumnodes and research it at the MAM

[white dawn]

Although regardless, if you adopt a manifold-like approach to power hookups, you're unlikely to often need/want anything more than mk1s

[spare ice]

Guys doesnot oil extractor go on top of crude oil well ?

[white dawn]

Resource Wells are actually a different kind of node which is unlocked in Phase 4 -- need a Resource Well Pressurizer to access those

The Oil Extractor goes on top of "normal" oil nodes, which just look like an oily stain on the ground

You'll find Resource Wells which provide Water and Nitrogen as well. All those are only available in Phase 4

[spare ice]

But I just got phase 2 done ...

[white dawn]

Which means you're in Phase 3, which is < Phase 4. :)

[spare ice]

HAHAHAH yes

[shrewd palm]

if you're just looking for oil there is no shortage of it

[spare ice]

But I mean I need plastic etc I thought it was through crude oil etc

[white dawn]

It is, but the specific node you're looking at is a Resource Well, not a "regular" oil node

[shrewd palm]

blue crater has a lot of oil and other things for phase 3, gold coast and spire coast just have a ton of oil

[white dawn]

You should be able to scan for oil, and the Resource Wells shouldn't be showing up in those scans

[shrewd palm]

^^

[white dawn]

Use the resource scanner and it should lead you to oil nodes you can use

[shrewd gyro]

UGHHHHH been avoiding redoing my steel factory, but I got Solid Steel Ingot and Iron Alloy Ingot, so I can turn my 2 steel ingot lines into 4.5 (there is an extra coal node as well as a copper node near)

[spare ice]

Now I see it

Thank you guys!!! 😛

[white dawn]

Ah, if you're over on the western oil fields, there is a cheeky lil' oil Resource Well over there among all the regular nodes

[languid anvil]

guys what do you do early on when you dont have trains and your nodes are miles away

[shrewd palm]

new factory or belt highway

[white dawn]

Tractors!

[spare ice]

Yeah thats where I am at 😛

[languid anvil]

im curious to what your mindset is with this

[languid anvil]

are tractors automated?

[shrewd palm]

yes

[white dawn]

Yep

[languid anvil]

what fuel do they take

[shrewd palm]

im not a huge fan of the vehicles that arent trains or drones so if its close enough i'll just belt it over, if not then its probably far enough away to just make a new factory

[languid anvil]

fair but like

[shrewd palm]

anything from biofuel to ionized fuel i think

[languid anvil]

do you just keep going back and forth?

[shrewd palm]

also all kinds of fuel rods

[white dawn]

Also, btw: in those situations I would never bring resources back to where my existing factories are. I'd just build the new factories right near their nodes, and then if I wanted to, use Tractors (or whatever) to bring the final products over to where I wanted them

[languid anvil]

well i have my main base which has like

[white dawn]

For me, it's generally not until rather late in the game that I'm actually transporting raw resources, since it starts to get hard to find spots which have everything you need

[languid anvil]

everything from iron plates to smart plating, everything copper related up to sheets and stuff, and quickwire

[shrewd palm]

now that i have depots ive been leaning towards small outpost factories, but in the early game when i dont have those there is nothing that cant be accessed by hypertubes

[white dawn]

I also tend to eschew the concept of a "main base"

[languid anvil]

i have a small steel factory a bit far off, and now im making my modular factory thats miles miles away

[white dawn]

I do tend to keep my HUB + Space Elevator in a reasonably central area, and I am fond of having Central Storage

[shrewd palm]

^^
and at that point you're gonna have trains and drones to do all that for you

[white dawn]

But my production spans all over the map. Like my HUB / Elevator / Storage area tends to have very little, if anything, actually produced right there.

[languid anvil]

yeah im hoping to get to that point

[shrewd palm]

i'll do basic resources for building things in my sort of central area with the hub and everything

[languid anvil]

but rn im just willy nillying it until i get big enough blueprints and trains

rn it's just the modular stuff thats kicking my ass

[white dawn]

IMO don't sleep on Tractors. Tractors are lovely. :D

[languid anvil]

i have been sleeping on the lowkey..

[white dawn]

Vehicles definitely have a learning curve, and there's a lot of ways to use them poorly. Once you're used to 'em they're great, though

[shrewd palm]

for most of my playthrough the space elevator has stayed in my hub area, but ive moved it to my future phase 5 factory because it will make it look cooler

[white dawn]

Plus then you get a bunch of little vehicles trundling all over the place, which gives a bit more life to your environment. :)

[languid anvil]

are the tractors like fully automated? even down to the fuel?

[shrewd palm]

yes

[white dawn]

You'd have to automate their fuel delivery, but yes. :)

[shrewd palm]

truck stations have a fuel input

[languid anvil]

do they take coal?

actually

[white dawn]

Truck Stations have a separate belt input for fuel, and any vehicle stopping at the station will top up (so long as the fuel type at the station matches what the vehicle already has some of)

[languid anvil]

lemme just go read the wiki..

[white dawn]

Yep -- coal is generally your fuel of choice for early-game tractors

[shrewd palm]

if you're changing what kind of fuel you're using remember this

[languid anvil]

tractors..

they're lowkey gonna solve my issue...

[shrewd palm]

i forgot about it and it screwed over my drone network a little bit when i moved everything over to plutonium

[languid anvil]

holy fuck i wasted so much time fixing my storage

[white dawn]

Heh, at least drones are a bit easier since the drone doesn't actually have an internal "stack" of fuel; as soon as they consume the fuel it just gets converted to generic "energy"

[languid anvil]

when i couldve just done this

[shrewd palm]

thats good i suppose

although im pretty sure that was what screwed me over

the drones didnt take the new fuel because they already have some turbofuel inside of them, so they ran out at the ports where there wasnt any fuel

[white dawn]

Mm, shouldn't be the case; drones kind of explicitly have the structures to contain energy from multiple fuel types in 'em

But I admit I haven't fully tested out fuel-swaps on drones, so I'll bow to your experience. :)

[shrewd palm]

i probably dont even know what im talking about any more, this was a while ago

im just glad i have my entire network on plutonium

so the dozens of drones i have probably consume less than 1 fuel rod/min total

[white dawn]

Nah, I could be wrong too; as I say, I haven't actually tested fuel switchovers on drones. But there's some interesting data you can find via SCIM on the drone objects. :) #off-topic-media message

[leaden turret]

interesting data on lizard doggos, too: https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/fauna/detail/id/Char_SpaceRabbit_C/name/Lizard+Doggo

[white dawn]

heh

[rose saffron]

I need to find a way home

this area is too dangerous for me to handle

[shy fog]

step 1: find a good spot to hide from everything

[rose saffron]

I tried building walls to cage an enemy, and that didn't work

[shy fog]

it's important to know how to hide yourself

also if you have enough building material... just go up

[white dawn]

One thing which can help is making a "combat bunker" blueprint which you can plonk down with one click. Keep it in your active toolbar and it can be handy. :)

If you want to cheese it, set your settings to "keep all inventory on death" and then hit the "Respawn" button in your menu

(Or set creatures to retaliate/peaceful)

[unkempt blade]

or make a "cage for scary animals" blueprint that you can plonk on the scary thing

[rose saffron]

but I tried caging it

it teleported through the walls

[idle kayak]

Can anyone help me with adding mods to my server I got through indifferent broccoli and I’m on epic

[unkempt blade]

ghost spiders?!?! terrifying

[white dawn]

No need to post the same question in multiple places

But the answer is the same as in the other thread: that's best addressed on the Modding discord (there's a link in #welcome , and also a direct link in the thread you started with)

[idle kayak]

I’m aware no one responded in the modding questions so I came here

[white dawn]

So that's three places you've asked the same question. :D Anyway, the Modding discord is the best place for that question, so your best bet is waiting for an answer over there

(Modding talk isn't forbidden here, but per the rules: "However, asking for modding help, troubleshooting issues with mods, or any other in-depth discussion regarding mods are best handled on the affiliated modding community discord.")

[shrewd gyro]

so by my math I currently turn 540 /min of iron and coal into steel at 540/min. if I swap over to solid steel it turns in 720/min if I also use Iron alloy I can turn the 540 of iron into 1012/min turning my steel into 1518 steel/min. problem is I don't have 1012/min coal anywhere near, only have 690/min coal

[real shale]

oh wow i just realised the toothbrush holder in the hub bathroom, now i want one

[white dawn]

The question is how they get the toothbrush into the helmet. Perhaps there's a small toothbrush port which isn't obvious from the model?

[cunning siren]

Here's my "combat bunker" blueprint 😆 saved my ass countless times #screenshots message

[white dawn]

Just gotta make sure not to lock yourself in the bunker with one o' the creeps!

[cunning siren]

Things CAN shoot in and sometimes they hit one of the "bars" 🤷 Nice thing is when shooting OUT our human brain smart does not shoot bar 🤔 S M R T 😜

I notice the stingers seem to hate the roof and floor of this thing for some reason and get "stuck there" like in the screenshot

[idle kayak]

@white dawn my sincere apologies go to you for commenting in a server about satisfactory about a question that has to do with satisfactory

[real shale]

also yeah i think theres a lighting bug

anytime i point lights directly straight down the lighting behaves very weirdly

[cunning siren]

Maybe try messing with some of the video settings to see if one "fixes" it

[real shale]

#screenshots message

it does this stuff

[real shale]

it seems consistent with all video settings

[white dawn]

Heh, just pointing you to the appropriate place for help, is all (and, yes, nudging you towards some standard don't-post-the-same-question-in-multiple-places ettiquite. :)

[real shale]

even with global illumination changed it does that weird lighting behaviour

[cunning siren]

If you know your "preferred settings" I would try "absolute minimums" and see what happens, maybe even switch to DX11 and restart

[real shale]

i run the game with everything maxed out, tried running on lowest possible settings and same issue

either way, its a bug it seems

[cunning siren]

Ok, so you run DX12 then

[real shale]

yeah

[cunning siren]

Do you update your drivers often?

[real shale]

yup

[cunning siren]

Sometimes I use a program from safe mode called Display Driver Uninstaller, it helps to fix funky driver related jank

[real shale]

it only happens when the light is exclusively all the way down too which is weird

adjusting the angle up by even the smallest amount fixes it

[wicked nacelle]

Don’t be an ass when you’re asking my for free community support

[unborn nova]

do i just gotta pipe water from 800m away for the coal gens or am i just missing something

[plain osprey]

pipe

[true mulch]

who chose where the generators are built?

[cunning siren]

May be one or the other, most coal is close to water AND some is not

[white dawn]

There are various places on the map where there's 3-4 coal nodes right next to largeish bodies of water. Those sites are well-worth seeking out for coal power. (Build your gens right there and run power lines back to everything else)

[unborn nova]

havent built or really planned anything yet, just the closest coal vein is 500m away one way and the water is 200 away the other direction

[white dawn]

Though yeah, if you're not in a spot where coal+water are right near each other, build near the water instead. :)

[cunning siren]

Belt the coal not the water

[unborn nova]

i see

[unborn nova]

ok

[white dawn]

Try seeking out some of the further-away ones. It's well worth building coal power in the areas that were essentially designed for it

[unborn nova]

this servers great yo

[shrewd gyro]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH, sorry ran out of items in the middle of building something Im struggling with

[white dawn]

The generalized solution for that nowadays is the Dimensional Depot, btw. Have to find some SAM to start researching it in the MAM, but it's eventually quite powerful

Though you don't actually need the Depot to solve the problem. Can set up material-delivery logistics prior to building, though I admit that can be as much or more effort than the factory itself. :)

[native tapir]

Definitely takes time to ramp up but very worth it once you get it upgraded

Although....once you really start going crazy it barely makes a dent when you're spamming modular blueprints lol

[reef basin]

you don't need to build at the closest vein 🙂

[unkempt blade]

a central mall is a total classic though, do it for nostalgia

[shrewd gyro]

ahhh maths ahhh

ah ok, who got it, I just need to build 3 sub factories, each having 3 foundry's on one level, 5 on the next, then two with 9 constructors and one with 5. Also one of the ones with 9 constructors will also have 9 assemblers

[cunning siren]

Had Goat Music playing in my head this morning 😆

[jade frigate]

Is there a website where I just put all the ores I have around my factory area and it just make me exact number of machines and exact number to just make all the product to just end the game?

And it just calculate everything to the end game?

[reef basin]

yes, there are several, but you need to know what you want to make and in which amount

[jade frigate]

Probably no one knows it

To make it super efficient

[reef basin]

"efficient" is just "no machine stops", which is super easy

[unkempt blade]

you should play the game, it's pretty fun

[steady glade]

"all the way to the end of the game is hardly possible, it's more efficient to tear down and rebuild with better machines if you made enough floor space

[unborn nova]

ya thank you, i just got done setting up a bunch of ramps to kinda get ready for 4 i found next to a big body of water like 1k away

[reef basin]

it's not really "more efficient" tbh

[unkempt blade]

Leave the old factory running and build a new factory. It's a monument to what you learned playing the game 😆

[steady glade]

Lets takes ores for example, you start with smelters, not much of a setup so you can put them next to constructors, but later you can use refineries, so you'll probably delete the earlier one

[reef basin]

well again, "efficiency" as defined by the game is "percentage of time the machine spends working"

[unkempt blade]

This is also why factory carts are the most efficient vehicle. With a truck you get far fewer loads/unloads per minute but with carts you gets tons. Way more efficient use of the truck station

[steady glade]

in-game-wise yes, but i'm thinking more overall, yes i can make one or a few machine of each base recipe and have them all running at full speed but its not so efficient in terms of resources or time

[unkempt blade]

if by time you mean time to finish the game then you should basically never tear anything down and just add production

[reef basin]

then say "resource efficiency" 🙂

(and it's still better to build new than to rebuild old)

[steady glade]

sure I guess if y'all see it that way

[cunning siren]

Time to package 200 Turbofuel ™ for 600 diamonds! Goin' BIG! 😆 T H I C C diamonds

Turbo Blend Fuel alt seems to be the goat?

[cunning siren]

Yep, recently I've ben messing with one called Satisfactory Modeler, can get it from Steam. It requires planning and practice AND it is possible to do it in various ways from start to finish. Speedrun folk do it all the time 🤷

[dense violet]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production
an actual calculator and not a layout tool

[jade frigate]

It’s weird to use for me personally

[dense violet]

because it's a layout tool, not a calculator

[cunning siren]

Why not both?

[dense violet]

because it's shithouse as a calculator?
I could use a badger as toilet paper, doesn't mean it's a good option

[unkempt blade]

the only acceptable planning tools are a 4 function calculator and a paper and yarn based beautiful mind wall

[jade frigate]

Idk I was using it properly but you have to find something by product it is making, for my it’s annoying to use

[native tapir]

You're breaking my heart

[dense violet]

there's as TON of manual steps you have to take with modeler. And it has no lables for what is actually going on

[jade frigate]

I was not using it yet, I might try

[dense violet]

takes a little bit of practice but its extremely powerful and fast

[leaden turret]

best option is goose: #off-topic-media message

[unkempt blade]

just like a beautiful mind wall

[native tapir]

Did you ever check your DMs? Lol

[jade frigate]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/planners/production

this one is cool, you just add product that you want to produce and ai or whatever makes all the machines etc,

[dense violet]

it doesn't handle by products very well, and often breaks on loops that are common in the later half the game.

the UI isn't crash hot either

[jade frigate]

So it will make some stuff not properly producing?

[hard ivy]

It doesn't have AI but it certainly works like one lmao.

Like sure, most of the time it'll give you something that works, but never anything actually good, makes mistakes and hallucinates items into existence 🤣

[dense violet]

yeah it can just be 'wrong'. Or not show reuse of by products and loops

[rigid mist]

its been 6 hours
i should probably automate wires right

[dense violet]

the way it chooses between recipes as well is just first on the list? which... isn't the worst but is weird.

[jade frigate]

Sati modeler will do better job then right?

[dense violet]

as mentioned that's more of a layout tool
you have to do a ton of manual steps breaking things apart, and has no labels

[shrewd gyro]

it works, now I just have to build it twice more

[rigid mist]

where on the map should i put a 1200 meter tall tower

[hard ivy]

I mean unlike SCIM's production planner, it's a functional calculator. It's just that you gotta do a bunch of stuff manually

For choosing recipes and calculating how much total of each item you need, satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production is much better

[dense violet]

in a 1200m hole

[rigid mist]

heh

[sullen gull]

Lol, as always, one who doesn't play bad mouthing modeler just because. The only manual thing about modeler is building the chains. It auto calcs, and in terms of layout planning and ease of "reading" that layout, modeler beats out tools 1000%. The ONLY thing Tools is "good" for is automatically choosing recipes based off of an output. Those who are bad mouthing it are those that dont know how to use it imo.

[rigid mist]

me when factoriolab

[sullen gull]

My opinion, try them all and find what works for YOUR style. Don't listen to the hype and negative Nancy's

[rigid mist]

i just use factoriolab and manual any ones it can't solve

[dense violet]

As always, the lame who are ignored for excellent reasons become verbally abusive and make false claims about 'not a player' about someone who has almost 4000 hours in the game.

What pathetic people keep a hang up about being blocked by a stranger online. I would hope they would have more of a life, but it's not to be I suppose.

[rigid mist]

?

[dense violet]

not you, dw ❤️

[sullen gull]

Lmao, I never said anything about being blocked mate, and genuinely dont give a damn. You un hiding my message shows that you having me blocked is like a five year old sticking their fingers in their ears going "la la la I cant hear you. One of these day you'll grow up 🙂

[shy mulch]

It baffles me that people get upset with each other here. I've blocked a few people because a minor difference of opinion/style turns into them insulting me and becoming abusive. It's bizarre.

[leaden turret]

XKCD-386

[dense violet]

I dont even recall what they were doing to be annoying enough to be blocked in the first place, but after they realised they got blocked they got abusive quickly and just occasionally pop up to spew bile.

Like really, a stranger doesn't want to read your comments, get over it.

[rigid mist]

https://xkcd.com/386/

[sullen gull]

I didnt insult at all (if talking about me). And its a fact that they themselves said they having played in some time. And lastly, who said anything about being upset? I'm surely not 🙂

[unkempt blade]

Yeah I mean where's there even room for a difference of opinions? We all know factory carts are factually the best vehicle and if they can't see that they just need to work harder to become enlightened and not take it out on me

[zenith fractal]

lizard doggo

[dense violet]

and doggos make the best fuel

[leaden turret]

that's what notes are for.

also there's people I've blocked that still do not drop that I've blocked them despite the mods warning them

[zenith fractal]

cutie

[dense violet]

oh I have a note on them. But I can't be bothered reading it. What would be the point?

[leaden turret]

lizard doggo milk is highly combustible

[shy mulch]

My comment wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. I've not even read the discussion. Just a very quick glance down the chat it was clear there was some kind of disagreement going on

[shy mulch]

I've heard it tastes faintly of garlic, as such it attracts vampires

[idle kayak]

i got dinner you can play till i get back

[cunning siren]

SO... how bout them Doggos?

[unkempt blade]

Adorable and very generous with their gifts. What's not to like?

moving them long distances. that's not to like

[cunning siren]

And when they "jailbreak" 😭

[shy mulch]

Get them to stand on a factory cart

[cunning siren]

Maybe lure them with the pink stuff

To the cart

[unkempt blade]

I've tried trucks and trains before and they still seemed to fall off 🙁

they need to let me nudge them into a hypertube in the next QOL patch

[versed mesa]

Lol

[cunning siren]

Portal seems like ez-mode solution

[shy mulch]

You know of course anything devs let us put into hypertubes, everyone will immediately launch them into space

[shy mulch]

Portals are cool if you're set up to make a lot of space singularity cells

[cunning siren]

I have yet to mess with em

[shy mulch]

What tier you at now

[cunning siren]

9 AND I don't play this game like most folk apparently

[shy mulch]

Ha fair enough

[unkempt blade]

I guess we need to troll the psychopaths by giving the doggos parachute wings or something

[shy mulch]

Doggos on zipwires

[cunning siren]

Spending resources on travel seems like a bad plan when 20 MW with a hypertube branch cannon 🤷 does the job

[unkempt blade]

my main issue with portals both in this scenario and just in general is you only unlock them at the very end of the non-sandbox parts of the game

they're a super cool feature I just wish I got to use them before I'd already been building out a HT network for like 80 hours

[leaden turret]

🛑🔨⌚

+ 🪂👖

[lethal scroll]

question: I just unlocked the dimensional depot, havent built one yet. Is it just like, an ender chest? or how it work

but like, in your pocket

[unkempt blade]

Per item you can put some numbers of stacks of that item into the depot either manually or using conveyors. You can take it out manually or it'll use it automatically as you build

[lethal scroll]

I see, I see. so it's basically extra inventory storage, but you can actively feed belts into it?

[spare ice]

Guys can you change the direction of conveyor lifts or does it only work when its needed ?

[lethal scroll]

press R to change it to reversed

[spare ice]

Still nothing 😮

So annoying I managed the bottom one but NO idea how

[lethal scroll]

I mean
select conveyor lift
have it ready to be placed
press R to change build mode
switches from regular to reversed
press R again to go back to regular

[spare ice]

I did just that, I selected the lift clicked R to switch to reversed and when I click to build it build default 😛

[sullen gull]

Additionally, you can "stack" the upload speed with them. Uploading Concrete with 2 depots will get you 2 lines running up to 240/min. But it's nice to have so that you wouldn't have to continuously run back to a "base" or factories to stock items inventory for large builds.

[lethal scroll]

is it just one type of item you can feed it, or multiple? would be nice to never again run out of wire, concrete, iron plates and bars, etc

[sullen gull]

You can feed it every item. Like said, either from your inventory or into a built depot(s). Just depends on how much exploring one wants to do and how many mercer sphere's they collect to complete the research in the mam.

[lethal scroll]

still confused... guess ill have to build one and figure it out myself lol

automating reanimated sam RN to feed into sink

[sullen gull]

Sorry, confused on which part? It's essentially a "virtual storage", that, depending on the research done, allows you access to multiple stacks of items, that could continuously "replenish" if you'd like to build it that way, from anywhere at anytime. And you can "build" straight from it as well.

[cunning siren]

YES... it appears the game wishes for you to "build backwards?". Like from where you want to "end up" from the "start"

[outer scarab]

the direction of belts will always be the same unless you connect it to something with direction

[sullen gull]

Usually it only does that if the lift is already connected to something that has a direction. merger/splitter, machine, belts, etc

[shy fog]

6 more pasta to go... then the next bit is already in progress

[spare ice]

I might have been a bit unclear, what I mean by direction is the head. Not the flow of things

If that makes sense ?

[sullen gull]

Oh, mouse wheel.

[spare ice]

OMG PLEASE DONT LET IT BE THAT EASY

JHKLASDJKLHÖDSAHJKLADSKJLHASDHJKLASDJHKLASDJHKLASDHJKL HAJSKLD sorrry

Thank you!! so frustrated lmao

[lethal scroll]

should I save some mercer spheres for the construction of the actual depot? how many should I save?

how many depos do you recommend I build

[sullen gull]

Each depot takes 1 sphere. There are a lot on the map, and in some cases, very near each other.

[spare ice]

EACH depot, so you can have multiple?

[lethal scroll]

I mean, how many depos is recommended I build? I got 8 free spheres rn and no upgrades

wait, I may have more at my hub factory

come to think of it

[sullen gull]

For me, I put on one every item being produced. except for space elevator items. I make an Industrial storage container with a depot on top, connect the depot to the container with a mk3 lift, and then put a smart splitter for the other incoming of the container, with one side set for over flow to the sink (only so the machines stay running). But, having said that, I couldn't say what you "should" do 🙂

[spare ice]

Quick question, when building belts, is tehre anyway to move it higher? or does it just go where the mouse is

[lethal scroll]

OOOOOH, each separate depot represents one item slot?

[sullen gull]

after the first click when setting with a pole, you can extended the pole.

[sullen gull]

Each item only gets one "spot". And the amount of each item in the dd total varies. Like, it can hold up to 2500 concrete if I recall

[lethal scroll]

that makes a lot of sense, I love that

gonna put one on all the basic resources I've automated thus far

[cunning siren]

If I never "use" the recipe why would I chose to clutter the menus with it when I can leave it in the MAM... 4 eavha!

[sullen gull]

It's "most beneficial" when all of the research in the MAM is completed for them as well btw. With both upload to the depot and from inventory, and speed/stack size. . Also, be sure to check the box in the top left corner of the tab menu (if you have Manual upload from inventory researched and that side "popped out") That says " Take from Inventory before Depo"

[dense violet]

whenever it takes multiple clicks to build a thing it means you can adjust the object

elevation or tilt usually. so move your mouse after the first click

[sullen gull]

👆

[spare ice]

I see I see 😄

Thank you very much for the help guys! 😄 Highly appreciated!

[icy heath]

honestly it sucks that such a great game makes want to grab a shotgun... Train signals dont work, or im just stupid... Im sick of trying to figure it out. Im sick of watching video after video on adding signals to trains. Its a trash mechanic and I find no enjoyment for the mid to late game because of it.

[lethal scroll]

for now I'm just manually feeding some crafted resources into one dim depot

[sullen gull]

Be sure to be mindful of the boxes across the bottom of your screen when building thing, and also when hitting H to hold something in place, it usually give a good "cheat sheet" for all the different options and keys you can use. Sadly, that belt one isn't one of them 🤣

[lethal scroll]

for this site, at least

steel pipes and beams

not super efficient, as it can bottleneck, but good for rn

[sullen gull]

When you start building them, I would reccommend at least three uploading concrete 😏

[spare ice]

Yeah LMAO, that belt thingy, You ahve no idea I kept reading and couldnot get it to work, I deployed blueprint for 10 minutes still no luck

And then YOU said mouse wheel...............

[lethal scroll]

depends on what I'm doing. Right now, im running out of copper wire the most, cuz im exploring and placing power poles EVERYWHERE I go

[sullen gull]

I feel ya mate, there can be some "growing pains" for sure 🤣

[sullen gull]

That's fair. When you start building factories, concrete can go quick. Unless going for that spaghetti au naturale 🤣

[outer scarab]

I always have 4 on cement for foundations

[dense violet]

no stress, the mouse wheel will also adjust position, usually that'll be a tilt or twist

I can't tell you more specifically because it's all muscle memory unfortunately xD

[spare ice]

Np 😄 Im very good at asking 🙂

[dense violet]

there's currently a small issue with putting signals too close to junctions? could be it

but also if you put rails too close they can clip into each other and cause issues

[lethal scroll]

bruh. Apparently, of all things, I accidentally disconnedted the copper miner while making some quality of life changes to the smeltery. This thing has been producing jack shit for days now 💀

[dense violet]

are you trying for 2 lanes or a bidirectional?

[sullen gull]

Ope.. been there heh

[stiff root]

i dont have anyone to play with😭

[sullen gull]

#1201555265942724758

[dense violet]

#1201555265942724758
although I would hate to play with randos.

[stiff root]

yeah

[lethal scroll]

maybe I should give my iron factory an overhaul... it's still in the very early temp stage, despite just clearing tier 4... I dont even have reinforced iron plates automated yet

oh, I'll try out blueprints for that, why not

I have them unlocked but havent used them yet

I don't even have screws automated lmao

the only things that are FULLY finished are my copper smeltery, and my coal power plant

[cunning siren]

Sample building with middle mouse button on wall outlet AND you get another wall outlet! Do the same with a double wall outlet AND you get a power pole? 😆 This game

Oh wait, I meant to say connecting with power line tool

[rose saffron]

the Xeno Basher is SO MUCH BETTER

I feel like I can actually stand a chance against stronger enemies now

[outer scarab]

I personally like stitched platting

[lethal scroll]

anyone else ever use large containers as a vertical splitter? or merger, for that matter

[rose saffron]

haha

I jumped down a massive waterfall to a cliff edge for a slug

and I was able to build my way back up

[dense violet]

they don't evenly act as splitters as one output will have priority

[lethal scroll]

true, but if you use it in a calculated manner, it wont matter. When you feed it 240 and have two 120 belts exiting, for example

or, you can deliberately use that priority to your advantage

[dense violet]

the output that has priority also changes

[shy fog]

LAST PASTA in production

[lethal scroll]

oh dangit, it seems im going over my allowed grid capacity, rip

[viscid bobcat]

does overclocking increase headlift?

[shy fog]

no, overclock is production, not height

[viscid bobcat]

: (

[shy fog]

on the plus side it's easy to make headlift

[viscid bobcat]

yea only 4 mw per pipe

[shy fog]

you may want doc's video

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uuwHvjrEMdk

[lethal scroll]

copper wire and sheets being depod, very nice

I'd depot concrete too, but my grid is already over capacity atm lol

gonna give it some time to recover

[shy fog]

dimensional depos do not require power

just feed, it's nice

oh and 1000th nuclear pasta for phase 5 done! wooohooo

[lethal scroll]

yes, but, my concrete production is inactive rn

cuz the container is full

if I let it drain into a depot, it will start up again, and overload my grid

gonna activate my last two coal plants

gonna just manually fill a depot with various stuff

i upgraded it so it can hold 2 stacks, so imma dump 2 stacks of a whole bunch of stuff into a container and feed it in there

hehe, if you listen close, it sounds like the dimentional depot is meowing

[viscid bobcat]

Oh my god

looking at the phase 3 assembly parts

what have I gotten myself into

theres just so much to do

I shouldve never got here

life was so much simpler pre 60 hour mark

[compact aspen]

Whatever you do. DONT take any shortcuts. You'll regret it later (Like me). Automate EVERYTHING (Like I didnt do and now I gotta go back and do it).

[lethal scroll]

the only reason I havent automated any of that stuff yet, is because I'm waiting to unlock more building stuff, so I that when I build it, I can build it PROPER

[outer scarab]

Have more power than you need at all times. Starting up your base can suck

also you will never built it proper until end game

[compact aspen]

I tried building everything proper. But I gave up now. I won't try until my 2nd playthrough. I'll use my first playthrough to just go through the game and learn how it goes. Then if I do a 2nd playthrough I can more easily plan proper builds.

[lethal scroll]

well, technically, this is my 7th playthrough, hehe

although it's been like 3 years since my last

[compact aspen]

160 hours in and I just got smart plating automated lol. Back when I first needed it, I made a temp setup via storage containers with the base components inside and a single belt going into a assembler to make the plates. And then I would dismantle it when I was done because it served no other purpose...

[rose saffron]

this is very different compared to Factorio

[reef basin]

well yeah they are different games

[native tapir]

Not bad if you find a good crew with similar skill level and interests.

[reef basin]

they basically share just the "factory building" theme

[native tapir]

That clears things up

[rose saffron]

less variety of items to craft, but loading machines with belts changes how I have to think of making designs

plus in 3D it's a lot harder to visualize how my factory fits together with different parts

[cloud pelican]

You guys also having problems with Experimental and the menu's freezing? Whenever i open the build menu it freezes for a time

[rose saffron]

loading with belts doesn't change too much, using a single belt line but with splitters going into machines instead of inserters is fairly simple but it doesn't start working at full capacity until machine's buffer inventory fills up

[compact aspen]

This is where Im at. It being 3D with a more complex map makes logistics way harder compared to the wide open space and top-down 2d view in Factario. I haven't played Factario. Maybe I will after I finish Sastisfactory.

[rose saffron]

I love the crouch jumping

wish it was a bit smoother with hills though

[outer scarab]

you can also just start with end game with free build mode. Saves you having to delete your old base

[outer scarab]

I like making buildings that are just black box input/output

[rose saffron]

oops, I died

[lethal scroll]

putting some portable miners in the depot, never have to worry about those again hehe

[rose saffron]

I flew out of the map at 140km/h from crouch jumping

[viscid bobcat]

the worst thing is I have to build my factories with space to advance it when I unlock more things

or else I have to revamp everything all over again

[cloud pelican]

Extend upwards i guess

that's what i do

[spare ice]

Why do they make it a hassle to get to the ores lmao

[cloud pelican]

what tier u in

[spare ice]

JUst started the 4th I think

Noo

I just completed 2 im on 3rd now

[cloud pelican]

it will get easier later on. But to me it seems like a fun challenge.

to get to it i mean

[viscid bobcat]

it gets interesting at tier 5

[spare ice]

When its possible its a challenge:P WHen its not its just .... 😛

Dont get me wrong, each tier and phase I complete

THe game gets TOTALLY new

I love it so far

[cloud pelican]

Good to hear, it a great game. But i have not gotten passed advanced steel production yet. Because i take on way to big of projects in the mean time which burn me out lol

[violet oyster]

It’s a blueprint. https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/blueprints/index/details/id/7245/name/24+Fuel+Generator+Tower

[cunning glade]

Ight chat hopefully time too finish my power plant

[viscid bobcat]

you will build your permanant factories starting from tier 6

when you get oil power plants and trains

[cunning siren]

Cliptastic!

[viscid bobcat]

dont worry too much on giant projects for now

thats how I burnt out for a bit

because instead of having interesting challenges big projects for me were just "add more smelters and constructors"

and now I have to scrap my entire "megafactory" because I unlocked new things

[cloud pelican]

What do you mean

[viscid bobcat]

like

think about it like this

[cunning siren]

One thing at a time, enjoy what one is doing now is how I roll

[viscid bobcat]

when you build your factory in early phases you dont make it compatible for the future

so if you build a mega factory now with tier 3 equipment

you'll have hell optimizing it to fit further needs

[spare ice]

I realized that AFTER I got to coal........

[viscid bobcat]

jesus christ man 14 hours of satisfactory?

dont burn yourself out

just fyi if you're new you're not obligated to complete this project today

[spare ice]

Aw F*CK LMAO 😛

[viscid bobcat]

NEVER play satisfactory if it feels like a chore for you

you'll associate it as a job more than a game

[spare ice]

Thats the thing it doesn't.

[viscid bobcat]

yea just for future info

because it will start feeling like a job soon

[spare ice]

I think thats why I can play it for so long, but ive been on and off watching eating etc...

Yeah I can imagine. But so far its really fun, with each tier.

[viscid bobcat]

thats nice to hear

what tier are u on?

also where did u start?

[cloud pelican]

That’s one of the big projects. I tend to want to futurize the factories as much as possible so it’s compatible later on

[spare ice]

Completed phase 2 today

havenot even started on phase 3 stuff 😛

I started on grassland

[viscid bobcat]

oh thats actually decently far in

you got trains yet?

[viscid bobcat]

how do you optimize it?

[spare ice]

No not quite, I dont wanna rush it lmao

It takes time to understand and try to atleast "optimize" oil extractors

Keyword optomize=work

optimize*

[viscid bobcat]

what you struggling with?

[spare ice]

Right now just getting caterium 😛

[viscid bobcat]

oh yea

[spare ice]

It might not be optimeable to get cat research on phase 3

I dont know ?

[cunning siren]

Noice, that's a good tree to get geothermal power going early

[viscid bobcat]

geothermal?

[cunning siren]

Yea

[viscid bobcat]

im not experienced enough lmao

[cunning siren]

There are geo "nodes" around the map and you just plop down a power gen on it and BAMN! Free powah!

[spare ice]

That feels aloooong ahead of me 😛

[cunning siren]

There are "tricks" to make it sooner

[spare ice]

Ofcourse there are lmao 😛 tell me 😛

[viscid bobcat]

ah well ill save that for the weekend

[opaque shadow]

also note that geothermal power naturally fluctuates from 50% to 150% compared to average

[spare ice]

WHAT?

[cunning siren]

Spoilers: ||The lizard doggos can be befriended and then walled into a secure area to farm parts off of. Some of those parts can unlock geothermals early ||

[opaque shadow]

impure geyser produces 100MW, but the production slowly fluctuates from 50MW to 150MW

similar for normal / pure

[spare ice]

You guys are making my head hurt LMAO 😄

Ive read some about doggos but I Dont quite get it yet, i befriended one but no idea waht to do

[cunning siren]

Spoilers: ||There is also the awesome shop where you can purchase parts ASAP to do "early" unlocks||

[outer scarab]

you pet the dogo and it gives you items

[opaque shadow]

||just plop down a power storage or four and you're fine||

[opaque shadow]

they occasionally fetch trash items
but then they also occasionally fetch high tier items lol

[viscid bobcat]

I really hope they can fetch you a stack of nuclear waste

if they can that would be funny

[opaque shadow]

they could have, in beta

not now

[spare ice]

DO I hvae to do anything for them to fetch ?

[opaque shadow]

no

just check on them occasionally

[outer scarab]

its randomish

it use to be the only way to get more power shards

there isnt really a point now

[spare ice]

Why ?

[outer scarab]

because items aren't limited by doggos

[spare ice]

ahh you mean that 😄

[outer scarab]

people use to make doggo ranches with like 100 doggos

i think there is still a cave full of them if you want more

[cloud pelican]

I put splitters before going into any machine. Like the smelter, constructor, etc. But i still want to design a system for it that’s better.

[viscid bobcat]

no thats not enough

[spare ice]

I see

If I find it ill see if it has fetched anything

[viscid bobcat]

its impossible to know what you have to do unless you have previous knowledge or you searched it up

dont build a mega factory expecting itll be the final product

it wont be, not this early

[cloud pelican]

Gotcha, when do i start with the mega factories then?

[outer scarab]

I find the best way to play the game is to make the final product and work backwards. No need for a storage full of screws for example

Depends on what you want your mega factory to do. Make the most tickets, make the most power, make a ton of stuff?

[viscid bobcat]

I dont even know

[dense violet]

maybe never. And if ever, when you've unlocked everything and work from the end point.

[viscid bobcat]

honestly in my opinion never

[unborn nova]

is wire really used for anything else besides cable

[viscid bobcat]

if you really want one then do it at the end

[dense violet]

otherwise it's a giant mess
which isn't impossible to work with. Just ... a mess

[outer scarab]

stiched plate uses wire

[viscid bobcat]

when you gotta get the parts for phase 4

[dense violet]

lots

[dense violet]

can check teh wiki if you like, but lots of recipes use it

[viscid bobcat]

build modular factories, connect them by train, and work from there

might be a spoiler, but make your factory train friendly

[outer scarab]

you dont even need to wiki, if you seach wire in game it says every recipe you use it for

[viscid bobcat]

just a little hint

[outer scarab]

I never use trains

[dense violet]

they very likelyi don't have many recipes unlocked with it yet

[outer scarab]

i hate trains

[viscid bobcat]

trains are like the backbone of your save bro

[unborn nova]

ye probably what i should do atp, just have it open

[viscid bobcat]

how did you even do this without trains??

[outer scarab]

also as soon as you get a good gun, a jet pack, and some survival materials, go collect all the alternate recipies, spheres, and shards you can

bus

[viscid bobcat]

I have creatures on retaliate

lol

I am a pacifist

I did have to kill a lizard doggo once cuz it got stuck tho and it was kinda in my way

[outer scarab]

what if they are standing on your node?

[viscid bobcat]

wait for them to move

[dense violet]

'oh man, I just can't go around this dog, better shoot it cause of pacifism' xD

[viscid bobcat]

either that or it drowns man

[outer scarab]

the birds are a bit annoying IMO

[dense violet]

nothing in the game drowns

[outer scarab]

lots of things fall to their death though

[unborn nova]

the lizard tail ones?

[viscid bobcat]

u think im pacifist cuz the creatures feel pain? this is all larp

[outer scarab]

the ones that look like flowers when they sing

[unborn nova]

ye

[outer scarab]

they are always in the way

[unborn nova]

bro i lowk fw them they mad chill, i just be walkin around and they posted up singing a melody

i have it muted tho so idk what its like

[viscid bobcat]

i hit one with a zapper once when I was making my biomass gens at like hour 5 and now I still have it here hour 63

[outer scarab]

Also a few times I have deconstructed some coal power to find a giant spider inside it