satisfactory

[keen jacinth]

wait what tier is coal power again?

i could just, set the settings to go straight to it

[stark summit]

agreed!

[dapper seal]

you can complete most of the game from that one location

[glad drum]

#screenshots message --- I think Rocky Desert (specifically the crater lakes above the rocky desert is so beautiful) is a good start but if you don't like working with the terrain, I feel like Desert is just the best yaknow

[dapper seal]

without expanding much at all

it used to be even better- but they nerfed it for 1.0 iirc

there used to be more pure nodes, including quarts near it

🙁

[glad drum]

Tier 3 I believe

[stark summit]

north forest area has 2 impure quartz nodes near that great area

they're in the big canyon, through a narrow pass

[dapper seal]

there are 3 quarts nodes in a cave near the coal nodes near the area i posted above

and a SAM ore

[stark summit]

The only thing North Forest doesn't have is... wait there's some SAM kinda near on the desert border.

[cunning siren]

🤔 what start is this image?

[dapper seal]

that was for esta, asking about where to start at

[stark summit]

North Forest

[dapper seal]

thats the best starting location in the game

for easy access to like a dozen pure nodes

if you select the northern forest and spawn in

its north west of spawn location, like 5m run maybe.

[hard ivy]

I still prefer the center of the rocky desert tbh

might be less nodes, but it's flat

[dapper seal]

the area i posted above is high up on a cliff, you can foundation out

and build yourself an expansive flat space

above most of everything

[cunning siren]

Yea, having to build a sky base for step 1 is rough

[dapper seal]

also, building stuff over oceans/water is handy

easy way to build big stuff without going up high, esp when dealing with fuel generators

[cunning siren]

OH so maybe a starter base on the west water area 🤔

[dapper seal]

if you choose the NF and go where i mentioned

there is a vast coast real close, with about a dozen oil nodes near

it literally has everything

Northern Forest Shore Cliff Crew for life!

one of us, one of us!

[dim flint]

Is there a mod which lets you paint all touching walls at the same time?

[glad drum]

#screenshots message

My only complaint about my factory is that all the lasagna in the middle makes it kinda hard to take pictures of it all - trying to spread it out a bit more now to make it screenshot-safe and look a bit cooler on the map. Most of the buried stuff is just early phase stuff anyway

[cunning siren]

#screenshots message <--- Maybe a good staring area with expandable main bus idea 🤔

It's close to crystal too 🤔

[rich parrot]

Oh my word... We need a flamer. A heavy flamer.

[shrewd palm]

you could try but busses tend to not work out very well in satisfactory

[cunning siren]

They seem to work in my last 6 times i beat the game 🤷

[shrewd palm]

i guess they do then

i am way too unorganized to make any so i just belt things around

[glad drum]

idk if that'll be enough for spaghetti THIS THICK.

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> spaghett meta candidate for next dev stream

[cunning siren]

Yes... making a bus in Factorio is easy in comparison to this game. I have to re-learn all the stuff I forgot from last year about them 😆

Blueprints make it much much simpler though

Modular design 4 teh win!

[shrewd palm]

there just isnt much of a need to make one imo

[cunning glade]

Chat question

[shrewd palm]

you're not limited to 2D so you can just take whatever you need and put it wherever you want

[cunning glade]

Uhhh I forgot

Frick

Oh yeah so signals tell a train which way too go and if they can go with a block being at the end too make sure the track is clear?

I'm wondering if I'm understanding it correctly

[cunning siren]

My hardware is not that great so I "need" to spread things out anyway to keep FPS up in all areas. Having a bus system allows me to do that while also keeping the resources available in other areas too

[covert vault]

They don't really tell it which way, the trains guidance figures that out

But you can work with signals to create desired flow

[cunning glade]

I see

[shrewd palm]

dont quote me but i think building vertically is best for fps, speaking from experience building over flat areas is not at all what you want for good performance (might just be the scale im building at tho)

[rich parrot]

For junctions:
PATH when you ENTER a junction.
BLOCK when you EXIT a junction.

[cunning glade]

Well I get the train figures out the path but fair ig I don't understand

[shrewd palm]

unless you mean like really spreading out across biomes

[cunning glade]

I see so that's only for junctions generally?

[cunning siren]

It seems to be what is "close" causes FPS to dip IMO. Nothing else seems to matter besides that

[covert vault]

Turn the detail and view distance down then

[cunning siren]

Maybe there is some being in visual range also has something to do with it? I don't think walls or floors help

[rich parrot]

Yeah. Junctions are the only place you really need to use path signals. And stations too, of course, but it dependes slightly on what kind of setups you are doing.

[cunning siren]

I tried that and it did not fix the issue much / enough 🤷 had to change how / where i built stuff to fix it

[covert vault]

Also I would say get stations WELL off your main lines, having stations anywhere near a thoroughfare causes traffic jams

My main lines are now a massive ring around the map and all the stations are on spurs off that ring

[covert vault]

What are you running hardware wise?

[rich parrot]

If your station is visited by multiple trains, then yes. You will need a bit of queue rail and block signals before the station to handle multiple trains trying to enter it. But otherwise there is no technical need to add distance between junctions and stations, if it is visited by a single train only.

[cunning glade]

What causes the biggest fps issue

Is there a mod that shows what causes the biggest lag like in Factorio

My discord is breaking wtf

I did the train guide world someone made and it was cool but like alot of info all at once so it didn't really stick

I get 240-260fps with a 12700k 7900xtx max settings 4k will better CPU and ddr5 help this game at all?

All the messages are sending at once cool instead of when I said them

[shrewd palm]

signals break the track up into "blocks" that can only hold 1 train at a time. block signals just break up the track, and path signals do the same thing except you can have more than 1 train in the block under certain circumstances.
if you put block signals at the entrance to all your intersections, that would work but only 1 train would be allowed to go through at a time
if you put path signals at all the entrances, that allows trains to figure things out amongst themselves so that they can all pass through so long as they wont run into each other, and then you can throw block signals at the exit
for putting signals across the entire network, use block signals and keep them like 8-12 foundations apart, because thats about the size of the average train
and then for stations put blocks at every entrance and exit into the station

also something with intersections that i like to do is place the signals leading up to the intersection the same 8-12 foundations apart, not something you have to do but it keeps the trains from having to slow down so much

[cunning siren]

8809G @ 4.2GHz 1080 GTX (non-ti) @ ~2k. I cap at 60FPS all settings lowest besides view distance. If I build "most things" in one spot FPS dips ~30, If I spread them out it stays ~60

[covert vault]

Ok, yeah that's getting a bit long in the tooth

[cunning glade]

I see ty very much

[cunning glade]

Cuz I'm waiting on New and cpus too upgrade

[rich parrot]

Having too many Block signals along the mainline is not ideal, IMO, since having a Block too close to a following Path will cause the train to slow down. Path is always red by default. Before a junction's Path signal you should always leave PLENTY of empty track, so the train can set the signal well in advance and thunder through the junction at 110 km/h.

[shrewd palm]

iirc satisfactory is very cpu heavy so upgrade that first

[glad drum]

Speaking of trains - does a train need 2 stations in order to function? I kinda just want a train thats constantly running in a loop around my base with no real purpose other than looking cool doing train stuff

[cunning glade]

Well if amds slow ass would drop next gen I would

[covert vault]

My overheating 3090ti would disagree

[cunning glade]

Overheating how?

[shrewd palm]

they got spooked by nvidia

[cunning glade]

What temps

[covert vault]

If I crank the game detail my GPU overheats and shits itself

[cunning siren]

Yea my GPU limits me way more than my CPU does most of the time

[covert vault]

Memory on the back of the card just gets too hot

[cunning glade]

That's not good

[void cliff]

anyone try the game using an MMO mouse and/or a keypad? 😄

[covert vault]

Yeah, need to get an active backplate for it, but effort++

[cunning glade]

My card can do about 800-900w before I'm hitting 110c and thermal throttleing even then my mem temp is like 80c ish

[covert vault]

So I just turned the detail down

[shrewd palm]

i dont know exactly how this game works but i think the cpu is used for machines, which if you have a lot of nukes the game

[covert vault]

Wtf card are you doing 800w on?

[shrewd palm]

and because frame rate is tied to tick rate or something, you have a very low tick rate from your cpu struggling to keep up with all the machines

the game really slows down with big factories and not a good cpu

[next plover]

Happy birthday Satisfactory!

[cunning glade]

7900xtx

[cunning siren]

#screenshots message <--- GPU limitation not CPU for me 🤷

[cunning glade]

I play on max settings and only hit like 85c I think hotspot wise with a 480w power limit

[covert vault]

The typical wattage for an AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX is 350W, not 800...

Even if you're overclocking with LN2 you'd be hard pushed to hit 800w

[rich parrot]

You're on phase 3. No big factories yet at that point.

[restive river]

I have a 1000 watt psu and I am using a 7800x3d , then a 7800xt gpu and a 64gb ram of ddr5 and it seems fine

[wicked nacelle]

You’d probably have to do a shunt mod

[covert vault]

My 3090Ti water-cooled tops out at like 600w in furmark

[wicked nacelle]

There’s no “tick rate” but absolutely you can be cpu limited

[cunning siren]

I don't really make massive factories as my hardware does not agree with them and... I don't "overbuild" kind of a minimalist player as this game does not require much to beat it

[cunning glade]

Well rn the stock wattage before I do anything else is 480w

[cunning glade]

With my evc I can push 800-900w and I'm still on air

[covert vault]

Where are you reading the wattage from?

[wicked nacelle]

No you can’t. That’s space heater territory.

[cunning glade]

Once amds new CPU drop I'm gonna water cool very hyped

[cunning glade]

Both my evc software which monitors every 10ms and then the killawatt thing that measures my wall power usage

[covert vault]

Evc?

[cunning glade]

It is indeed hot

[cunning glade]

External voltage controller

[covert vault]

Killawatt is going to read the whole system wattage, not just the GPU

[rich parrot]

True. You can get through with a small base. In theory you might be able to get through the game with a single machine at a time, some storage and a single tamed doggo lmao 😄

[covert vault]

Sounds to me like it's miscalibrated

[wicked nacelle]

It reads psu input wattage. Much of which is lost at the PSU too

[cunning glade]

I'm aware but ik what my CPU is using thru hw info plus I can also see the voltage thru the GPU with it

[cunning glade]

I think like 5% is lost

[wicked nacelle]

You cannot air cool 800 watts off a cpu.

[covert vault]

Try more like 20%

[cunning glade]

GPU

[wicked nacelle]

Or that

[cunning siren]

There is a middle ground between the two ideas

[covert vault]

The standard is "80+"

[covert vault]

Yeah I'm fairly certain something in your system is reading wrong

[cunning glade]

Sorry it's more like 10% my bad

I'm not

[covert vault]

That's not a card that can do 800w

Let alone without some ridiculous cooking

Chilling even

[wicked nacelle]

No card will take 800w without a shunt mod and then you’d just blow it up without LN

[cunning glade]

Proof is in #screenshots I can send more when home if needed ig

I mean I use it quite a bit and the card is still alive

I did it like a month after getting my 7900xtx and it's been 2 years now

[covert vault]

"GPU BRD PWR 179W"

That's a long way from 800w

[cunning glade]

Thats incorrect when using the evc

[unkempt blade]

If you add a few hundred factory carts to your save I bet we could get that number up over a thousand

[cunning glade]

Can u tell me what in my system would be pulling 800w and how the card is at 108c then

[covert vault]

The killawatt is not proof

[cunning glade]

How isn't it?

[limpid seal]

i finally have jetpack

[wicked nacelle]

I’m done being gaslit.

[cunning glade]

Like I said I can show more when home but I only have so many photos

[covert vault]

There's so many things that could be pulling power, CPU, drives, fans, monitor, speakers, unless the only thing plugged into the killawatt is the GPU, it's not proof of the GPU using 800w

[wicked nacelle]

Maybe if we are talking transients but that’s a far cry from 800w sustained.

[cunning glade]

I have 3 fans and 2 ssds my 12700k uses 100w like max well gaming

[cunning glade]

Nah this is sustained 900w

Not even my evc will show me the small spikes

[wicked nacelle]

Just be quiet you’re embarrassing yourself. And it’s off topic at this point too.

[cunning glade]

I need something that measures in nanosecond iirc

[wicked nacelle]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/457105940844380160

[cunning glade]

Nah cuz I ain't wrong ik what I'm doing y'all don't believe it. That ain't my problem

[stark summit]

how is anyone's equipment surviving past 100c???

[cunning glade]

I've gotten too 112c on this card and on my 6900xt got too 119c and it shuts off at 118c fun fact

[stark summit]

In my experience that's almost exactly when the computer cuts out

[covert vault]

Tech powerups review of the 7900xtx they got it to 500W, how you're going 50% past that? I call bullshit

[cunning glade]

Not amd

[wicked nacelle]

Hot spots are often not the normal measured area and can have different temperatures.

[cunning glade]

I said I have an evc2 look it up it's called a external voltage controller I think I said this

[stark summit]

yeah, i know the numbers go over 100c normally on certain spots

[wicked nacelle]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/457105940844380160

[covert vault]

I know what it is, I still don't believe the 800w numbers

[wicked nacelle]

Nor should you. Now let’s move on 🙂

[covert vault]

It sounds to me like the current sensing on it is miscalibrated

[cunning glade]

Like I said I can show the pics of my evc pulling the watts when I'm home but at work I can't so

[cunning glade]

Nope def ain't

It was 3 wires too solder so no setting up

[covert vault]

That doesn't mean it wasn't miscalibrated when it was made

[unkempt blade]

I'm pushing over 10GW just from my hypertube entrances and only have integrated graphics

[covert vault]

I know how current sensors work, I deal with ones measuring thousands of amps

[cunning glade]

So both the evc and the killawatt were miscalibrated?

[covert vault]

No, as I said the killawatt doesn't prove shit because it's outside the PSU and so could be measuring all sorts of other things

[cunning glade]

This always happens I need a like Google doc explaining how it works

[cunning glade]

It's measuring my PC right

[restive knot]

would yall use pure aluminum over normal if you have silica at your location?

[unkempt blade]

you should get that doc together and take it to #off-topic-tech

[cunning glade]

The CPU take 100w maybe another 50 too 100w for other stuff leaving 700w for my GPU

[hard ivy]

depends how much bauxite I have and how much alu I need

[covert vault]

If everyone you talk to tells you it's wrong... Maybe it's wrong

[cunning glade]

No just the people that don't know what there talking about once I explain it and show them proof they understand and accept

Idk why I would lie about this

[covert vault]

I never said you're lying, I said you're mistaken

[cunning glade]

But I'm not💔

[wicked nacelle]

No one thinks you’re intentionally lying just that you don’t understand what’s going on.

[covert vault]

How is the card cooled?

[cunning glade]

I do I've had this situation every time I bring up my gou eating 800w unless I'm in a oc discord

[cunning glade]

Nitro air cooler

[wicked nacelle]

Try to find a single overclocking YouTube video where they put 800w through a video card on air cooling.

[cunning glade]

That's the aib aswell

[covert vault]

Nope, no fucking way is that card doing 800w air cooled

[cunning glade]

Well it now has 3 t30s on it cuz one of the fans stopped working but it seems too make temps worse

[cunning glade]

I will show proof

[covert vault]

Uh huh

[unkempt blade]

if you're that convinced you should in all seriousness turn your computer off and unplug it before you burn your house down otherwise you just don't know what you're doing

[cunning glade]

I mean I have a pick of the GPU on air from not too long ago in screenshot

With evc2 in the photo

[cunning glade]

Oh I don't need too worry about this till I'm at about 1200w hopefully

[wicked nacelle]

Someone please ask what the best alt recipe is or something

[covert vault]

Der Bauer struggled to push a 5090 past 800w under fucking LN2 and you somehow reckon you have a card that uses half the power stock running at 800w continuous air cooled?

[cunning glade]

Nivida also works differently with temps and wattage and voltage so

And ocing so

[wicked nacelle]

Laws of thermodynamics don’t change based on who made a card

[covert vault]

No, just fucking no

[cunning glade]

In the photo it's around 750w but it is at 108c I'm not cooling the card well

I'm able too run it tho

[cunning glade]

Indeed they do tho

[wicked nacelle]

Your card would not be at 108 at 750 watts. It would explode.

[covert vault]

Watts are watts, it doesn't matter who makes the card, 800w is 800w

[cunning glade]

Why would it explode?

[quick forge]

I'd like to try and post a funny clip over in #satisfactory-memes , but the link it's on is not whitelisted. What channel would be good to ping a mod abt it?

[wicked nacelle]

Temperatures don’t scale linearly with input power.

[cunning glade]

I have friends who are on water and push the card past 1400w in some cases

[wicked nacelle]

Hahahahahahahahaha

[cunning glade]

I never said they did?

[wicked nacelle]

Blocked

[cunning glade]

Okay🤷

It's a fun discord group we all have 7900xtx with evc they perform closer too 5090s lol

Mine isn't that good cuz air

[covert vault]

800W on a 7900xtx would be a world record from what I can see

[cunning glade]

Not even close?

[unkempt blade]

we're all very happy for you, now please take it to #off-topic-tech

[cunning glade]

The der guy u like so much legit has a video of the card pulling 700w

With a evc so🤷

[covert vault]

Yes while water-cooled

[cunning glade]

Yeah and u can do the same thing on air

Man I need too figure out what software my friends use they get some dope readings

[covert vault]

No, you can't, air cooling doesn't remove the heat anywhere near fast enough... Short of having a small hurricane moving through the heatsink

The current world record for 3dmark on a 7900xtx only hit 696w

And that was done while using water chilled to 10°C

[cunning glade]

Hence the me being at 108c and not like 60c

But I can still run it just extremely hot

How do u see wattage with timespy

[covert vault]

He reported the peak wattage seen during the run... Using an EVC2

[cunning glade]

Ah I did the same thing just got told I was wrong lol

[covert vault]

Yes, because either you're setup is borked or you're lying. There's no way you're pushing 100W more than that, air cooled and not melting the GPU

Let alone your friends 1400w

[cunning glade]

I posted 3dmark in the tech thing of mine not that'll be much help but

[covert vault]

Fuck I work on high end servers with quad CPUs and 8 GPUs and THEY don't pull 1400W for the whole fucking system

[wicked nacelle]

Coolers have limits to how much heat they can dissipate. Once you exceed that you don’t just get a little bit hotter you get into thermal runaway. It won’t be 108. It’ll just fry itself.

[cunning glade]

It's an over built cooler meant for 500w 300w more isn't that much tbh

[covert vault]

Yes it is, temperature increase is logarithmic not linear

[cunning glade]

Talk about inefficiency

[cunning glade]

Well obv that's why it's at its limit pretty much

[glad drum]

Update 1.2 Satisfactory: Your factories can now overheat when overclocked! You must surround them in spaghetti pipes of water for water cooling or build a bunch of the new fans to cool them!

[cunning glade]

1200-1300w they've been seen there

[covert vault]

Uh huh, sure, whatever you reckon

[cunning glade]

And coolers are hella overbuilt nowadays and it's meant for right around 500-600 with spikes

[covert vault]

Uh huh, sure, whatever you reckon

[cunning glade]

Hate when people argue when u have proof💔

[covert vault]

You haven't posted a single shred of worthwhile evidence

[cunning glade]

I posted 2 but there just invalid this one time but too everyone else that does this there valid

[covert vault]

Uh huh, sure, whatever you reckon

[cunning glade]

I can't post any evc photos till I'm home cuz I never thought too photograph it ig I should've this is a recurring thing

Why can't people just understand PCs man

[covert vault]

And again, as I've said it sounds like there's something wrong with the calibration of it

[cunning glade]

There isn't any calibration

[covert vault]

I do understand them very well, you however clearly do not

[cunning glade]

It wires into the GPU and uses information from the GPU

[covert vault]

There's calibration in the firmware/software

[cunning glade]

Diagnostic something I don't remember I installed the evc2 a hot min ago

[covert vault]

There has to be because of differences in the hardware from board to board

[cunning glade]

Soldering so much weirder than welding

[coral glacier]

Hello There

[cunning glade]

I mean my evc and killawatt say the same thing and are both measuring the same things so🤷

[covert vault]

Soldering is easy as piss, heck I design my own PCBs

[coral glacier]

Not really, i find it pretty fun

[cunning glade]

Never said it was hard just weird

[quick verge]

Is there a replacement for SALT for planning building layouts?

[cunning glade]

Compared too what I'm used too atleast

[cunning glade]

If only my 1st soldering wasn't on my 1200$ GPU

Prolly should've practiced but it works and doesn't look bad so I ain't complaining

[covert vault]

Ummm, current sensing works on resistance, a bad solder joint can increase resistance and that would cause... Incorrect readings

/me faceplams

[cunning glade]

Good thing I soldered well

[coral glacier]

They are no doubt different, but soldering is like using a pencil, you can erase and start over. With welding it's like using a pen, permanent.

[covert vault]

Uh huh, if you've never soldered before, how do you know it's a good joint?

[cunning glade]

By asking people that do it for there whole life

Or as a job

[cunning glade]

Very real

[coral glacier]

Supervision by someone who knows how to do it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[unreal hollow]

do different machines have different over/underclock power curves?

[cunning glade]

Also this did it in the shop with people who know what there doing

Idk if 2 devices are telling me the same thing idk why I wouldn't believe them

[coral glacier]

but, you just said if you've never soldered before, how you'd know if it'd be a good joint or not?

[cunning glade]

I had people who solder for a living take a look at it

[coral glacier]

oh good!

[cunning glade]

I used a good amount of flux too

I'm happy with it it's held for over 2 years now

[coral glacier]

Oh it's electronic soldering we're talking about

I thought you meant pipe soldering 🤣

[cunning glade]

Yes I soldered a evc too my 7900xtx

[cunning glade]

No lol

[coral glacier]

But yeah electronic soldering is pretty easy imo

[noble topaz]

about to finish phase 3, what should i do before i look at whats needed (and the materials)

[coral glacier]

Just make sure the solder you use isn't touching or connected to another wire that isn't supposed to be connected.
Else you could short something.

[cunning glade]

Yep made sure of that

[coral glacier]

Wiki

:)

[cunning glade]

Man I can't wait for water

I'm so hyped too be able too do 1000w

My PC rn just doesn't go over 980w

[coral glacier]

Along with not using too much flux, else you could detach other components.
It's not that big of a deal, but having to put back components that you weren't working on is a bit more of an unnecessary hassle. :P

[cunning glade]

Indeed it is lol glad it was nice and simple

Honestly it was free preformace

Get a 7900xtx spend another 30$ and with enough cooling u have a card better than a 4090

Except in rt but that will prolly change next gen

God PC tech is so hype rn

Just need that 10800x3d too get rid of this shitty 12700k

[coral glacier]

Yeah, i think the majority of people who've worked on pipe soldering and electronic soldering would be more inclined with doing electronic soldering because of the set parameters that a board has, like wire size, component slot size, etc. a lot more controlled environment than pipe soldering 🤣

[cunning glade]

Yes it was very nice I had little clamps that held the wires in place

And a magnifying glass which was super helpful

[coral glacier]

Definitely

[cunning glade]

We need that or a zoom in this game

Ik there photo mode zoom but

[empty ice]

im sure its been asked but I couldn't find an answer by searching. is the event gonna be a couple days for the people who can't get on today?

[whole drift]

You water cooling your pc?

[cunning glade]

Ugh I'm so hyped too go home and expand the factory

[leaden turret]

#patch-notes

[cunning glade]

Planning too yes although they discontinued the v3000+ case I wanted

[coral glacier]

I mean i can see boards just fine, but a magnifying glass just lets you make more precise movements, and helps reduce the risk of error when applying flux, solder, etc.

[empty ice]

thanks 😅

[cunning glade]

It's now a 700-1000$ case

[whole drift]

I chat GPT’d my pc and this thing is great

[cunning glade]

Oh I already have a list

[coral glacier]

"Big Tech Companies hate this One Trick:"

🤣

[cunning glade]

Pasted it in #off-topic-tech

[whole drift]

What kind of pc you building?

[cunning glade]

It's only a 3 year old case

And they stopped making it it was gonna fit the 3 480 rads I wanted perfectly

[plain gate]

jesus 21 fans

[coral glacier]

Oh man, i can tell that hit a nerve

[cunning glade]

Only 700$

The fans are pricey I might start with half

Cuz I plan push/pull

[cunning glade]

Yes its such a nice case

[weak sequoia]

with 800 fuel, how many fuel gens can i power?

[coral glacier]

Cooling is priority to run a smooth factory

[cunning glade]

800/20

So 40

Assuming normal fuel like I was using

[coral glacier]

Use Liquid Naquadah

[weak sequoia]

damn i dont know how, but i calculated it wrong. i had 66 gens lol

[cunning glade]

What's this a tool?

[thorny edge]

Is there an option to adjust the volume for the HUB birthday song? It's extremely loud, louder than any other sound in the game.??????

[cunning glade]

Probs

In audio u can adjust legit like every machines volume

I'd assume hub is in there or something

[heavy anvil]

you can also just disable the seasonal event

[cunning glade]

Frick man I got a day till borderlands 4

I wanna finish this game first

[whole drift]

You at the endgame yet?

[heavy anvil]

only takes maybe 100 hours of active engagement to complete project assembly

[cunning glade]

Phase 3

[whole drift]

“Only”

[whole drift]

GG’s you’re not finishing the game today 😂

[cunning glade]

Yeah see my ADHD go burr in this game

[cunning glade]

Oh ik

[heavy anvil]

from phase 3

[cunning glade]

The plan is too finish the plastic plant and then get trains running on the grid

[heavy anvil]

maybe 40 hours of actual work

[cunning glade]

Then computers hmf factory prolly train those around

[cunning glade]

Yeah see but I ain't rushing too complete the game idk how much afk time is there but I'm at 100hours already

[heavy anvil]

if you plan to afk alot consider building a big battery

[cunning glade]

But global train network is setup

[cunning glade]

I have a grid that took 4 hours too charge with a 27k mw power production

Idk if u can do the math too figure it out how much that is storage wise but I assume a good amount

Considering im at 8k active usage

[heavy anvil]

they charge at a max rate of 300 mwh i think

ur probably in the clear

[cunning glade]

No clue but them being zoopable made it very easy too build alot

[winged walrus]

did i miss satisfactory birthday?

when is it

[cunning glade]

Nope it's today right or was yesterday maybe

When did satisfactory first early access

[winged walrus]

haven't played satisfactory for a long time

[cunning glade]

There's a story now it's peak

[hard ivy]

well, "story"

[heavy anvil]

and you can use mercers spheres and somersloops

[cunning glade]

I think it's a story so far

Don't spoil anything

[leaden turret]

#patch-notes

[cunning glade]

But so far I like it

[hard ivy]

nah, I'm just saying there isn't much

[cunning glade]

Fair enough

[hard ivy]

but it's still more than factorio has lol

[cunning glade]

That's what I was gonna say lol

I mean tbh it doesn't need that much of a story

It's a great game even with no story

[heavy anvil]

they just took the natural progression and built a story around it

[cunning siren]

Anybody know a "good" elevation # to build a sky train? I'm thinking the blue crater oil resource wells are an "ok" altitude 🤔 ~254M

[glad drum]

I really like when ADA finally tells you about how the Somersloops are actually ||hahaha i got you good||

[rigid mist]

i think the unreal audio engine is crashing my game
my boombox cut out, and then 30 seconds later my game crashed
all other in game music cut out too

[cunning glade]

See I can't click that

[hard ivy]

I'm just a bit miffed that what we got is called a story. subnautica has a story. satisfactory got lore

[cunning glade]

True

[heavy anvil]

is ada text to speech bot or is there a voice actor

[cunning glade]

Satisfactory needed lore

[cunning siren]

Ahhh, ❤️ that game

So immersive

[cunning glade]

This next year of games is gonna be amazing

[small notch]

So, for turbofuel any alt recipes I should know??

[cunning glade]

I got satisfactory too play once I finish this I can play borderlands 4 and by the time I'm bored with that squadron 42 will be out and the Perseus will be out

[winged walrus]

i know

last time i played satisfactory was more than a month ago

[cunning siren]

Oh nooos... I cant use resource wells yet 😆 RIP me

[winged walrus]

can someone show me a screenshot of decorated hub

i'm too lazy to open the game

[heavy anvil]

look at the video in annoucements

[hard ivy]

for turbofuel itself not really. the default is good. but for the fuel itself, diluted (packaged) fuel and heavy oil residue are basically a must-have

[cunning glade]

So hyped for sq42 reminds me alot of infinite warfares campaign

[small notch]

Yh I use them two for regular fuel but I didn’t know if there was a cheaper turbo fuel, thanks

[heavy anvil]

we need to know the exact amount of carbon and other pollutants each machine outputs so that i can calculate how quickly i can raise the planet to earths state of climate change

[hard ivy]

there are other turbofuel recipes, which might be preferable in some situations, but not if you're burning it for power. only if you're making the turbofuel for something else. and even then, default is fine

[small notch]

I’m gonna set up some priority power switch’s soon to make sure my grid stays up

[small notch]

Ok thanks, I plan on burning it I can’t get rocket fuel or smth yet I don’t think

[molten rivet]

kan i turn the hub ambient bullshit music off and not mute my whole game anyone any idea plsss

[heavy anvil]

setting > disable seasonal events

[molten rivet]

thy thy mutch better haha

[cunning siren]

Zipline underrated 🤔

[solemn glacier]

yes

[leaden turret]

<@&387163995947270144> now we have 3 seasonal events, wondering if it's time to have a !seasonal command

[heavy anvil]

no point, the announcement says how to disable it in settings, if people arent going to look at that then they prob arent going to run a command

[leaden turret]

my point is this happens every time a seasonal event comes around.

people come into discord and ask "how do I turn [thing] off?"

[limpid cairn]

is that birthday event still here?

I need to collect the special music tape

[restive knot]

How can it be hard drive scans dont give me new recipe but the last scan I did still showed 2? Im just straight up missing a recipe now

[cunning glade]

An hour and a half till I can start my addiction again

[stark summit]

next HDD might have 1 recipe available?

[restive knot]

But the one rn literally has a field saying "no more research"

I never picked iron wires tho :(

[limpid cairn]

do you know what recipe you’re missing ?

[hard ivy]

Need to restart the game

Or at least the session

[frail sleet]

save and reload

[primal pecan]

does putting a vavle on a pipe, make it a one way pipe?

[limpid cairn]

Yes but there’s no reason to use valves

[frail sleet]

Yes, pump does too, but basically you can't connect them to junctions so they have very limited usage.

[primal pecan]

why did someone react no, but the answer is yes

[hard ivy]

because the answer is no. the pipes before and after the valve are still bi-directional. like all pipes. only the valve itself is one-directional

[frail sleet]

bi directional but one of them can't flow into the valve

and the other one can

so fluid only moves through the valve one way

[restive knot]

#screenshots message

experiment like this

[frail sleet]

the real problem that limits their usability is not being able to connect directly to junctions, because you end up with something that looks like this:

=== junction === valve === machine

and the two pipes connected to the junction still flow bidirectionally into eachother because the valve isn't at the location where it would need to be in order to be effective

[white dawn]

Yes, will run for two weeks

[cunning siren]

Anybody else have buggy inventory upgrades? like they don't show up or naw? Just me?

[restive knot]

So whats gonna happen in tha MAM when it runs out of recipes because I dont have the prerequisite for that alternate but I keep feeding it hard drives?

[hard ivy]

it won't let you scan a drive

[white dawn]

It'll just say that the HD can't be scanned now, try again later

[restive knot]

dam

[white dawn]

(Note that AFAIK there's still a bug where it might not let you scan for the last recipes in your available pool, if you've been scanning -- may have to reload the game to clear that up)

So you might get that message prematurely (but, again, a save/reload fixes it up)

[restive knot]

yeah I just had that bug 5 messages above xd

[tame marlin]

can you hold energy in your pocket for the drives

[timid mesa]

i dont know where to ask this, i am looking for fungus like vegetation in beta satisfacotry. anyone can help me?

[cursive crane]

wut

[dim flint]

Would a valve help to reduce sloshing then? I personally haven't had a lot of issues with that, but it seems like they might.

[cursive crane]

In 99/100 cases valves will not help you in any way at all

[dim flint]

I'm just thinking that it would reduce the area a liquid could slosh over... but I don't actually understand the dynamics of sloshing in this game.

[cursive crane]

unless you fully understand the fluid dynamics mechanics, you are better off never touching them, and just making sure you are always making more fluid on one end than you are using on the other.

Only thing to worry about is that and headlift.

[shrewd palm]

we need to stop the valve hate

they've done nothing wrong

[dim flint]

I just asked a spesific question.

[white dawn]

The trick is to not worry about reducing sloshing. Just build pipe networks which don't care if there's sloshing. Looped manifolds are the usual solution for that. Big ol' paste of advice inbound (focused on 600/min mk2, but applicable generally IMO)

Here's the advice I've got saved which will nearly always get you to working 600/min. IMO it's good advice even below that point, though the system is usually more forgiving before then. Note of course that people have gotten working systems while ignoring large swaths of this, and occasionally due to build styles or other vagaries you might still have problems even with all this. But IME it's nearly always "the pipes Just Work":

1. Keep the system as simple and short as possible.
2. Loop your manifolds (so: the input goes into both sides of the machines you're feeding)
3. Feed fluid from above, so gravity does part of the work for you
   4a. Avoid valves entirely (they've been improved for 1.0, so this one might not be as important, but you still don't actually need valves)
   4b. Avoid fluid buffers entirely (except as buffers for train lines, where they are rather necessary)
4. Prefill your pipes! Full pipes are happy pipes. Wait until the system's thoroughly saturated before turning machines on.
5. Place junctions before pipes. If you do snap junctions onto pipes, dismantle and rebuild the pipes afterwards.

See #screenshots message for an example of 2+3 specifically. And of course, as mentioned, the fluid simulation tends to be more forgiving as the rate goes down, so keeping your pipe systems below 600/min is another option too.

[cursive crane]

Except be infinitely confusing for new players, Not do as advertised, not serve any useful function to anyone, and cause literally thousands of pipes issues from people who refuse to write them off.
sure they've done nothing, except its nothing useful.

[white dawn]

(To be fair, once you get to 600/min mk2 setups, any pipe system is going to be infinitely confusing to a new player operating on their own. :D)

[dim flint]

Loop your manifolds
This solves most of my issues.

But I'm not talking about general advice. I'm just wondering about valves and sloshing spesifically out of curiosity.

[cursive crane]

Which is so easily solved by not running 600. run 595, or 599, and everything gets infinitely easier

[hard ivy]

I don't loop my manifolds and everything works fine. as far as I'm concerned, it's as useful as valves

[shrewd palm]

^

[white dawn]

Gotcha. The answer is that they don't, no. They will prevent a slosh from going backwards through the valve, but if the liquid is backed up on the far side of the valve (due to sloshing), then you just get a "mirrored" slosh on the near side of the valve anyway

So like, technically they're not transmitting a slosh from the far side to the near, but effectively it doesn't matter because you've got a slosh anyway

[shrewd palm]

only problems ive ever had with pipes were ones that were caused by me forgetting a pump or production for the thing inside the pipe not being warmed up yet

[dim flint]

I was having trouble getting 600/min out of my aluminum system eariler this week and adding another pipe from production to the end of the manifold fixed it it seems.

[hard ivy]

my 600/min alu water pipes work fine

with a VIP in the middle too

[cursive crane]

this is the 1% of the time that valves could also help here.

[dim flint]

Could be because they are both being piped upstairs with pumps.

[dim flint]

How's that?

[cursive crane]

If placed correctly, could help direct the flow better for each machine to runs more efficiency

but so much easier just to...make another pipe

[dim flint]

IDK, a pipe takes up more space.

But I don't really understand why a valve would help.

[peak wasp]

Hi

[nocturne orbit]

Memes channel is outa control

[peak wasp]

I wish i had this game lol but steam got hacked had to make a ew one so i dont have any thing

[static spruce]

tfw I need 1/4 of all the nitrogen gas just for my cooling device factory

[hard ivy]

how much are you making?

[shrewd palm]

i dont think you need that many cooling devices

[hard ivy]

and more importantly, why??

[cursive crane]

Hard to explain but I will try. I'm horrible at explaining this so stick with me, may word things wrong too, so feel free to correct me
The largest problem with fluids is how they behave, which isn't a bug, fluids flow.

Machines dont use a constant amount of fluid, they use it in bursts, and they have containers inside that need to be filled every time a certain amount is used. The more the recipe demands, the more space that is created in that container that the system needs to fill.
So when every machine in a system of say 10 machines uses 10 fluid every 10 seconds, that creates gaps that need to be filled. When you are using MK2 pipes the rate that each one in the system is filled is 600/m. So when machine A uses 10, the junction between machine A and B is temporarily split in half. 300/m. Naturally this creates empty space in the pipes/machines that needs to be filled thus causing flow issues.

Naturally these problems are exacerbated the higher consumption of the recipes, with the more junctions needed, and especially if any machines are staggered in their consumption [hence the fix everyone totes of "let the system fill before starting everything"
So the problems that valves attempt to fix here is that "gap" in the system every time a machine consumes. In this specific case, if you were to limit the flow to the machine at; or slightly above the rate it consumes [to account for variable flow] and do this for every machine in the line, It COULD if properly applied fix flow issues in this edge case of many machines using small amounts of fluid.

might edit this further to make more sense.

something to add, junctions split their flow by however many pipes they are connected to, so 33% of 600 for 3 pipes.

so naturally instead of knowing all this and trying to figure it out, it is sooo much easier to just say... don't use valves, make the extra loop, and you'll never have to worry about it again.

[static spruce]

120/min

[shrewd palm]

why?

[static spruce]

Why not?

[shrewd palm]

fair enough

[static spruce]

I'm going to use a lot for OC supercomputers and turbo motors

[hard ivy]

OC SC is expensive af

[static spruce]

50h in and I still have not started on making any of the phase 4 parts

[static spruce]

eh at least once I'm done making the RCUs I won't have to worry about them until the end of the game

[dim flint]

Ah, so it's not the directionality, but actually setting flow limits that helps here.

[static spruce]

I already have all the ingredients just need to do the logistic

Got like 3600 rubber/min, 90 oscillators/min and 700 circuit boards/min

[cursive crane]

I made a drawing of this then deleted it and now im regretting it.

but the directionality can help...direct the fluid to the next pipe in the system if placed directly after a junction, combined with the limits. It doesn't directly change anything, but is a helpful byproduct

what im really trying to say here, is the directionality of valves/pump isn't their sole purpose; or even their main purpose, and thats the mistake so many people make. They serve a higher purpose and if you are using them for that you are using them wrong, and will just serve to confuse yourself further and cause more issues.

You can test all this by making a system of refineries or packagers that use water or oil.. say 10 machines or so. Make one system with a loop, and one with valves, see which is easier, just a good way to test how it all works

[sullen gull]

If it's any consolation, I had about 1250 hrs on this current save before I touched ph4 parts 😏

[static spruce]

Are you doing aesthetics?

[sullen gull]

But of course 🙂

Or, well, I should say "attempting" 🤣

[static spruce]

That's why lmao, I can't be bothered with that, I haven't even bothered with verticality in this save, everything is on flat foundations and taking a shit load of space

[sullen gull]

But, also trying to finish out the achievements with this one. 🤷‍♂️

[static spruce]

Well there is some verticality but it's all seperate factories

[sullen gull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1409228738566164612/Screenshot_20250824-133027.png?ex=68c30789&is=68c1b609&hm=9ab2590a5b732eb2fe3c28cbe487bb54bc5c6078e89b11ecf9f97f19ad3fbe80&

[static spruce]

"attempting"

My brother in christ, that is a billion times better than I'd ever do 💀

[hard ivy]

the correct approach when you just want to get shit done

[unkempt blade]

It's very round. I like the stairs

[static spruce]

#screenshots message

Wlecome to my world of flatness lmao

[sullen gull]

Yeah, tbf, not everything in this save looks like that 🤣 . Though, I am in the process of rebuilding my "starter area", But it was "happ hazard" and sprawling for sure lol. But then I decided I want this to be a "clean" save, for the one specifically getting the achievements. (No idea why though 🤷‍♂️ ... alcohol maybe 🤣 )

[unkempt blade]

it's beautiful but it needs more colors and more factory carts then it'll be perfect

[sullen gull]

Still clean and seemlinglly organized though 🤣

[static spruce]

That's blueprints for you

I would never have done the size of those factories without them lol

I could not imagine having to manually place all of that

[sullen gull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1410076833516355736/Screenshot_20250826-214142.png?ex=68c2d1a3&is=68c18023&hm=b237c110bf797ca10b7c97130c17630e96aa91d465f64e6591241c6c049ae642& Not same building, but more stairs for ya.

[unkempt blade]

fancy!

the only downside is factory carts will never make it up those stairs

[sullen gull]

This current one I am working on, I just made single assembler and refinery pbo's with auto connect. On a 1m foundation, 4m up from bp floor, With spiltters and mergers, pipes, power, etc, already set... then just delete the 1m foundations, and you can place the setup on any angle you want. Then just nudge in place. Holy hell that was a dream lol.

[sullen gull]

I was literally thinking that while typing 🤣 I was going to go and see what would happen 🤣

[unkempt blade]

I like how circle stuff looks I just don't have the patience for that aspect of building in this game

I do decorative stuff but it's a lot more angle-y

[hollow halo]

I’m cooked… my coal power isn’t enough for my factory anymore :(

[crystal void]

Guess what

Today is MY birthday too

[hollow halo]

Woah happy birthday :D

I thought bro was staring at my DMs cause i just asked my friend it was their birthday 😔🙏

[crystal void]

Yeah, thanks! Same to satisfactory; the game that I spent too many (aka not enough) hours on

[hollow halo]

Question

How do we get those corner lights?

[shrewd palm]

i love pipe problems that defy reason and cant be solved by a pump

[ashen needle]

i wanna know how the update is 8 gb😭

[humble mulch]

Happy Birthday to one of the BEST games I have ever played in over 30 years of gaming! 🥳

[ashen needle]

game is goated

i havent gotten past phase 2 yet but its still fun

[shrewd palm]

at least i know where the problem is although i have no idea why

[unkempt blade]

but it's such an easy fix! build 800 biofuel gens!

[ashen needle]

i hope the new stuff is fun so i dont explode while getting the 2nd space elevator part set up

[limpid cairn]

Realise how it’s not the best, that’s why we should get t3 pipes!!!

[deep pier]

how does powering trains work?

[shrewd palm]

connect a power line to a station and then every rail connected to that station will be powered

[frail sleet]

you power a train station and it gives power to everything on or connected to its line

[shrewd palm]

and if you want to grab power from it just make a station and make a power line from it

[limpid cairn]

Wait train rails transport power?

[shrewd palm]

rails are a really good way of getting power across your world

[frail sleet]

they do

[deep pier]

like the hyper tube? and does it power like the whole station or do I need to make a power thing at the end too?

[limpid cairn]

I always build power lines across the map

[humble mulch]

This. power one station and you have power anywhere a station is, ANYWHERE. its wonderful

[frail sleet]

rails are also basically power poles

[sterile blade]

As detailed by their description :P

[deep pier]

oh that's neat, thanks

[humble mulch]

i use the train system to run power across the map cleaner. but i do have one big power line for transportation zipline in case the power goes out to go fix it.

[dim flint]

I guess I really need to just set up some contained experiments and learn for myself.

[shrewd palm]

you dont need valves for looped manifolds do you?

[dim flint]

I spent so much time flying on the zipline before I unlocked and built trains.

[dim flint]

I haven't.

[dim flint]

Now I use portals 😉

[shrewd palm]

i need portals so bad

will have to be a project for a little bit later tho

[dim flint]

Singularity cells are kinda a pain though.

I still need to rework my production.

It cannot sustain a single portal indefinitely. Which is honestly fine, but the production is a mess still too.

[shrewd palm]

ive got a factory for 20 planned out and that should be more than enough

[dim flint]

I would say so.

I get like 2/min, which is more than enough to sustain a storage unit.

[shrewd palm]

is it each portal or each set of portals that takes 2/min

[dim flint]

One link = 2/min

[shrewd palm]

and you only have to feed into the main portal right

[dim flint]

Correct

and importantly for me. You can disconnect and reestablish a connection from the satellite.

So I just spin one up, wait the like 20 seconds or w/e, then jump and disconnect.

With this approach, you really don't need many cells at all.

[white dawn]

The nice thing about the game progression is that if you've fully automated Nuclear Pasta for SE deliveries, then as soon as you finish those deliveries you just have one more processing step for the Cells

Can usually get at least a few portals out of that, even if you were making 'em kind of slowly

But yeah, doing portals one at a time is easy enough

[eager sequoia]

I'm sure this has been asked or mentioned already but with all of the info from today I was still a little confused.. temporal illusion is also Doug is also kibitz (like the imkibitz from YouTube??) is also Jason from coffee stain??

[dim flint]

Yes.... but my SE production was done in part by a friend of mine who made an absoulte mess.

[hard ivy]

with this approach, portals also become basically useless because they take several times longer to use than they would've if they were always powered up

at that point just use hypertubes

[dim flint]

lol no

[ashen needle]

guys the lizard thing that shoots the fire balls just shot a nobelisk bomb i placed and i died 😭😭😭

[dim flint]

Hypertubes take a long time to build and make all the boost sections.

[ashen needle]

i didnt even know that was possible

[crude cave]

You can also shoot the fire balls to destroy them, too

[hard ivy]

and the sing cell factory doesn't 🤣

[dim flint]

Portals you can just drop and suddenly you can get anywhere on the map in like 30 seconds.

I already had radio units and fused frames.

So it was like 3 machines.

[deep pier]

is there a way to move a blue print that was like set at a heigh to move it lower a bit?

[shy mulch]

Just automate a decent number of singularity cells and don't worry about it. Disconnecting and reconnecting portals is an annoying delay

[sterile blade]

Not in vanilla (I'm assuming you're talking about moving a blueprint after it has been placed)

[dim flint]

Plus a well designed hypertube network would require me to pay attention to change paths. Portals just go without much thought.

I'm honestly pretty skeptical you can go from the grassy plains to the top mountain of the desest faster with hypertubes than you can spin up a portal.

[sullen gull]

Yeah, after that build, I decided to "save time" and just get the curvebuilder mod 😏 .. Ping'd you in #screenshots message too 🤣

[white dawn]

Heh, I'm guessing it could be done with a well-positioned cannon. But it'd be close. :D

[cunning siren]

I'm guessing if by hypertube cannon... probably about the same speed. Don't need to build much for those either

[sullen gull]

Also, did you happen to see the "state park" world someone (you know who you are lol) on reddit posted?

[dim flint]

Yea... the goal is to have >20 eventually, so I can maintain 2 links at all time.

[shy mulch]

Atm I'm making 50/min singularity cells
12.5 go to other production and the rest go to portals
The factory I'm working on atm will have another 50 spare that can go towards portals. That'll probably be enough for me to have all the portals I want

[dim flint]

I'm just saying not having 10/min isn't a huge deal. Portals are still very nice and you can disconnect them.

[hard ivy]

faster than an enabled portal? no. faster than the 40s it'd take you with warmup time? with a cannon, most likely

[dim flint]

I'd be close.

[peak wasp]

Sarisfactory 1.0 Birthday

[white dawn]

Portals only consume 2/min btw -- 20/min production would let you have 10 at a time

[peak wasp]

🎉

[dim flint]

But the point is, I'm getting around faster than I would without portals and they are really nice even though I have to wait briefly to connect them.

[sullen gull]

Heh, the ~~screenshot ~~ video I just posted, cannons = ❤️ #screenshots message

[dim flint]

Oh yea thanks. I got mixed up.

[hard ivy]

on my 1.0 save, I had 15 portals, and only ended up using like 8 or 9

on my 1.1 save, I won't have any cause I need the resources for Ficsonium

[cunning siren]

Yea, once portals become "usable" the game has been over for like "IRL days"

[stark summit]

This. I have zero SAM to spare in my model

[sullen gull]

Just doing it to do it? or Is there any benefits at all to ficsonium?

[dim flint]

I haven't really started using SAM much lol

[peak wasp]

Can anoyone gift me this game

[sterile blade]

Cool production chains

[stark summit]

I'm gonna do ficsonium for the sake of having done it

[peak wasp]

i cant afford it

[hard ivy]

nah, my 1.0 portals were SAM-free because they were fed excess crystals from the oscillator production. the bauxite, on the other hand...

[cunning siren]

Benefits yes, worth while benefits no

[dim flint]

:penny:

[white dawn]

lol, more debate incoming, I guess! Ficsonium is for the pioneer who wants both of these two things:

1. Burn Plutonium Fuel Rods
2. Still have "clean" nuclear

If you have personal wiggle room on either of those requirements, then Ficsonium's not really worth it

[sterile blade]

Reading the #rules is free and recommended

[hard ivy]

I'll have plenty of benefits. cause I modded mine. but in vanilla? no, it's only a vanity project.

[white dawn]

But if you do want both of those things, then, well, Ficsonium's your only option. :D But IMO Ficsonium's lovely for it. :)

[hard ivy]

though tbf mine is a vanity project too, since I'll never use the 10 TW I'll actually get. maybe 2 max

[sullen gull]

I was planning out a "moderate" nuke/RF combined power plant, and was thinking about going all the way to ficonium. Otherwise, was just going to use put rods as drone fuel ...

[white dawn]

The energy efficiency of Ficsonium is rather dire; you spend about 66% of the power produced by Ficsonium to make the Ficsonium in the first place. And it's quite SAM-heavy

[sullen gull]

Moderate in the sense of not trying to use all the uranium in the world btw 🤣

[white dawn]

But for the discerning Pioneer who wants to have their cake (burning Plutonium) and eat it too ("clean" nuclear) then Ficsonium's 👍

[sterile blade]

Imo, it's all about wether you like complex production chains or not. If you do, then Ficsonium might be a worthwhile experience

[cunning glade]

I hate being frequency and temp limited man

[hard ivy]

For me not using all uranium on the map is pointless. I've done that 3 times already, each time more efficiently than the previous. I ain't gonna make something worse now

[white dawn]

Heh, yeah, it's also a fun production line, so there's that, too

[sullen gull]

I'll play with it ... I'm not SUPER concerned about the power usage, maninly because I am attempting to do dedicated power for each area.. But this one would be the "Main hub" so-to-speak..

[white dawn]

And you get some IKEA lights, to boot

[sullen gull]

Just not sure how I feel about running a train network to bring it all in just yet. That is assuming it couldn't be done with drones ...

[hard ivy]

My second max uranium project is how I learned how to use trains properly. Didn't really have need for a network before that

So I'd say it's a decent opportunity to learn how to build trains efficiently

[sterile blade]

2 drones (one receiving drone port) should be plenty for every 300 Uranium/min, so a total of 14 drones and 7 ports should easily get the job done

[cunning glade]

I wish the 7900xtx didn't hate high temps and high frequencys

[smoky nimbus]

forever a hypertube truther

[sullen gull]

It's the "routing" that I don't want to tackle yet. I can/have made blueprints and such already. Just not sure how much I want to "use" trains 🙂 .. I may though..

[hard ivy]

Well, when I build a factory, I like having all production mostly in one place. So for the second nuke plant, I droned in aluminium, rubber and plastic which were made across the map, and trained in literally all other raw resources. Some of them to a refining spot first, then the ingots were loaded on more trains to get sent to the rod production proper

The next time, I also processed oil and Bauxite offsite, but trained them all in because I needed more than the first time around raw ores also got trained in and processed at the same location as everything else this time

Now I'm planning to train in all raw resources to one location. We'll see how well that goes 🤣
Especially packaging the oil and possibly even water (except the water for the reactors, cause that's like 200k/min lmao those go on the ocean)

[white dawn]

IMO a nice train network is its own reward; once you get used to building them they're quite handy

And train networks kind of get exponentially better the more you use them -- a single pair of rail that you lay down early in the game for one route could end up carrying a staggering throughput by the end of the game

And on the plus side you've got a built-in Pioneer transit network right at your fingertips. :)

[peak wasp]

Can anyone gift me the game

[white dawn]

Though, as mentioned, you can certainly always just use drones if you want. I lean into drones quite heavily when I'm at that stage. It's difficult to argue with the near-complete lack of required infrastructure (all you need is a fuel depot of some sort and you're done)

[sullen gull]

Would probably be wise to stop asking mate.

[white dawn]

Worst-case scenario you just need some extra drone ports. :)

[peak wasp]

Then gift it to me

please

[leaden turret]

<@&387163995947270144> person ignoring begging rules is ignoring begging rules

[peak wasp]

Shutup

[thorny edge]

When does the music event at the HUB end? It's so loud, I can't take it anymore.

[cunning glade]

Is there a way too make it so u don't lag when auto save happens via a mod or anything

[white dawn]

Two weeks. :) You can disable seasonal events from the "Gameplay" options menu (will require a save/reload)

[cunning glade]

Didn't used too but the world got bigger and now it does

[peak wasp]

Turn down music sound

[white dawn]

Not really. Can tweak the autosave timing so it happens less frequently (or not at all), though of course as you do that you're technically at more risk of data loss. :)

[thorny edge]

Thank youuu

[white dawn]

I'd hope that there's some specific volume slider in the options which would let you turn those effects down, too, though I sort of suspect that whichever one does that might also affect sounds you don't want to decrease

[sullen gull]

I have a couple "remote drone port" bp's already 🤣 I figure that power plant would be the last "major" structure on this one... So once I figure out which ocean I want to build it over, I will then probably figure out how/where I want to route trains. That's the only major issue. Otherwise, I most likely will used trains. I liked the "idea" of my first nuke build with a single rail going in.. to, in effect, keep it seem "isolated" : #screenshots message

[hard ivy]

Afaik, no. Back before they made saves faster and mine took 2 literal minutes, I had them set to once an hour

It was a nice reminder to stand up and drink something 😂

[sullen gull]

For me, I Just just stop what I am doing and sit for a sec.. But most of the time I miss the warning and get a half-second jitter. sometimes a sliver more if I am in the middle of building... 🤷‍♂️

[cunning glade]

How does running a server on my PC work for this game heard that fixes it but u have potentially lag cuz of the netcode or whatever

Or do I need a separate machine for that

[sullen gull]

Never tried running a dedicated on the same PC .. would just leave the game open if doing a local save..

[cunning glade]

Yeah but I only want too do it too help with the autosave lag or stutter

It's only a second buts it's a little annoying

I like the 5min one incase I place a blueprint wrong and clean up is easier but that's a skill issue so

Idk I need too smoke for whatever reason this game just pulls me in and I don't even smoke before it

[dim flint]

The danger of hand crafting is that it's faster than machine production initially, so you get in the habit of being bad.

[cunning glade]

Hand crafting and fast aren't really something I would put together imo

Atleast I don't find it faster

[dim flint]

I mean, if you want turbo motors and you don't want to wait for the manufacturer...

[cunning glade]

Ah later game I thought u meant early game

[sullen gull]

I buy them from the shop 🤣

[dim flint]

That's why I didn't initially do as much turbomotor automation as I absolutely should have.

[dim flint]

LOLOL

[cunning glade]

Idk about late game that's spoilers keeping it all a surprise best I can

[dim flint]

If the machine takes > 15 seconds to produce and I always feel like I just need a couple more to build a new building, I would rarely setup automation in a good way.

Then I would go back and finally get it all sorted.

[sterile blade]

You'll have a hard time avoiding spoilers on game progression hanging around in the server... Just a heads up ^^

[peak wasp]

how many heavy frames did u make im trying to decide on 5 or 10

it's crazy how ridiculous they are to automate

[dim flint]

Initially, I just built one heavy frame building.

But now I have like 5 I think.

[sullen gull]

I never understood why HMF's were so crazy for others

[peak wasp]

balancing all the buildings?

[dim flint]

They are the first manufacturer item, no?

[peak wasp]

manifolds are good but lose efficiency after so many

[cunning siren]

OH yea! Got a fist smash on this HUB button

[dim flint]

Check the link in #math-and-meta, it's quite balanced and I'm making like 34 items now.

[sterile blade]

They don't "lose efficiency", they just get slower to spin up as they get bigger and with smaller amounts of items/min involved (ie: higher tier items)

[dim flint]

I should build a model of my initial base(s) though. They were quite a bit simpler.

[sullen gull]

I mean, fair... so, in the sense of jumping 1 to 2 items, skip 3 and have to now make 4 items

[dim flint]

Yea. I think suddenly you can't just wire things up as easily too.

Most people don't know the way to use lifts well at first.

I basically always do the same thing with my inputs now. Though at some point I'm going to make a build that puts everything through the floor.

[sullen gull]

Or blueprints 😏 . Early game, you can make "all up rounds" of each machine, with a auto connect "logitistics floor". With the exception of the refinery .. that one is too tall for the mk1 BPD.

Though, I think you may have the mk2 by then.... can't remember..

[dim flint]

I have not utilized blueprints enough for production tbh.

I hate that autoconnecting them implies extra belt segments.

[merry perch]

i just dont have them autoconnect

[sterile blade]

Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of that either...
But they did optimize that sort of thing massively during 1.0, so it shouldn't really matter much (in short: consecutive belt segments get "merged" so the game doesn't get affected by how many segments there are until you break them up with splitters and such)

[merry perch]

might change once i start doing way bigger factories tho

[dim flint]

That's nice and all, but it still bothers me.

I'm a bit OCD about this game.

man, the amount less thinking I'd have to do if I could add a "valve" to a belt...

[sterile blade]

It also doesn't do anything about "upgrading belts left tiny sections of lower-tier belts everywhere, who could have seen that coming?! 😭" kind of issues 😅

[merry perch]

so based

[dim flint]

Adding a sink, but then starving something feels bad.

[sullen gull]

Yeah, early game that would be a bit annoying when going to upgrade them... Tbf, I only just made some with already having mk6 belts. Either way, even without auto connect, 90% of the work is done when laying the machines with having splitters and mergers already attached.

[sterile blade]

Let load-balancing still be relevant! :P

[dim flint]

And it is that way because I've got these all on a big sushi belt, so I can't back it up and overflow.

[merry perch]

its not efficient space-wise no

a conveyor valve is more efficient

[dim flint]

Yea, no way I'm spending all the space splitting ratios in this factory.

[merry perch]

also that makes us have to think

[sullen gull]

The heck is a "conveyor valve"?

[merry perch]

i dont wanna use my knoggin

[sullen gull]

Is this another factiro thing?

[merry perch]

no

but adding a valve-like thing to conveyors would be nice

[dim flint]

It would be a attachement to a belt which blocks passage past a certain rate.

[hard ivy]

You can already build one

[sterile blade]

Want special result: use special methods :P
I'm not for dumbing down logistics just because making complex solutions require more space (arguably "too much")

[deep pier]

whats the point of a loop track? from what I saw you can go back and fourth with the train and automate it to run it with one track

[dim flint]

I know

But they take up too much space.

[sullen gull]

Only time I could understand a "need" for load balancing is to feed nuke gens and the waste... But, I guess if there was one factory feeding others 🤷‍♂️

[dim flint]

I just want something I can add inline >.< Becuase at the end of the day, once the whole factory is built and OC settings are adjusted they wont really be needed.

[hard ivy]

And are basically useless in 99% of cases where people think they'd be useful

[dim flint]

But while I'm building they would help a lot.

[dim flint]

agreed.

It's a temporary thing.

[sterile blade]

Eliminating thinking to achieve quirky logistical results is very much against the kinds of challenges the devs want to have in the game (ie: having ti figure that stuff out is an intended challenge)

[candid ingot]

So is rocketfuel better than nuclear?

[merry perch]

ig

[sterile blade]

Kinda like why we don't have teleports for items, just less extreme

[sullen gull]

Maybe less "complex" in the sense of the amount of different things required ....

But otherwise it's relative. You get more "bang for your buck" with nuke in "less space". Unless you build up with the gens ...

[dim flint]

It's not about being quarky... it's literally just that I plan to have a consumer which uses 20. But I don't yet, so I sink all 60 and it screws up the rest of the consumers.

[sullen gull]

But at the end of the day, you need a lot more RF gens to match the output of less as many nuke reactors.

[dim flint]

I could not sink it, but then I can test the production to my depot.

[wicked nacelle]

@covert vault did that guy ever figure out his watt counting problem?

[sterile blade]

I don't understand what sort of situation you're describing...

[merry perch]

same

[hollow halo]

Bro water is hard, and I don’t have time to fix it cause I gotta go to cheer practice

Pls help me 😔🙏

[wicked nacelle]

Just toss lib to handski and you’re good

[hollow halo]

What?

[sterile blade]

Heat it up in a powerplant.
After it unfreezes, it should be less hard

[wicked nacelle]

Double up and pop it off

[sullen gull]

Check head lift, make sure it's a loop, make sure you have enough supply.

[dim flint]

I have something which makes say 400 wire. I use 200 of that wire already. But I'll need to use another 150 of that wire eventually. I plan to have 50 wire going to my depot, but until I have the 150 usage, I want to still sink something. Without a "belt valve" there's no way to easily limit the amounts to model the future usage.

[hollow halo]

Uhh…

Coal power :D

[merry perch]

place the booster things i forget what they're called at the bottom of the stuck liquid too

[sullen gull]

Make a post in #1038092680493801533 , with screenshots.

[wicked nacelle]

Wire is something to make on demand with the machines that consume it just like screws

[hollow halo]

Ah- I’ll have to do that later then..

[wicked nacelle]

Don’t have a single spot that makes it and try to belt it in

[sullen gull]

Can't really diag fluid issues without seeing them.

[merry perch]

water is hard at the start but then you get oil and somehow understand it

or not water just fluids in general

[wicked nacelle]

And then you get aluminum and then you don’t get it again

[sullen gull]

"Just add another pump" isn't usually the "right" answer though.

[dim flint]

I'm also feeding my depot.

[sterile blade]

Imo, that very much falls under "quirky requirement" 😅
Ie: something stemming from your own preferences, with solutions that you don't like for your own preference (ie: too much space/effort for the objective)

[merry perch]

somehow has worked for me

not gonna question it

[dim flint]

I'm just saying a "belt valve" would make my life simpler atm.

[merry perch]

unless fuel for drones

[dim flint]

It's not a big deal, because when it's all built and done it will work fine without them.

[sullen gull]

Then your issue was headlift. That's not always the case. Like when trying to feed 10 refineries with a mk2 on a 'dead-head' manifold. That's not a head lift issue 😏

[merry perch]

ig

[sterile blade]

I understand that. My point is that it would take away from the game, making such logistica puzzles trivial, while barely adding anything (making solutions to the problem take less space and no intellectual effort)

[merry perch]

i just do the same manifold i do for conveyors and it works

[candid ingot]

Ahhh, see my friend and I were debating which to use and I said we should use nuclear because of the 1.5 MILLION Mj compared to the measly rocket fuel, so I think we’re just gonna use it as a crutch to get nuclear up and running

[dim flint]

I do understand that point of view. Since it's neat that you can build these things from splitters/mergers.

[wary perch]

Wouldn’t I be cool if you could put an array of liquids in your coffee cup instead of just the default coffee

[sullen gull]

In the sense of just power output, nuke wins. In the sense of "build complexity", it'd be RF.

[dim flint]

Trying to drink rocket fuel?!

[sterile blade]

Don't you mean "thousands of GJ"?

[zenith pecan]

I have no idea how much power I'll get if I add nuclear to my current rocket fuel, which is a bit out there atm.

[candid ingot]

Man, that’s what the wiki says, lol

[sullen gull]

Psssffhhh, I'ma going for that Ionized mah man! 🙂

[merry perch]

rocket fuel.

[sullen gull]

Though, both of those should be "ammo" for the inhaler 🤣

[candid ingot]

Ionized fuel

[dim flint]

That stuff will kill you!

[merry perch]

i yearn to drink heavy oil residue

[hard ivy]

Gross power output is just a function of scale. If your rocket fuel makes less power than your nuclear, it just means you built your nuclear bigger. You could just as well build bigger rocket fuel instead and it would make more power

[civic ferry]

lol been playing all day I just now finally walked by the Hub just now. Was like What is that music? lol awesome birthday bash ensues

[candid ingot]

I see…

[sterile blade]

Don't mind me, I was just messing around ^^

[sour vessel]

Can someone help 😅
-# I hate fluid dynamics I hate fluid dynamics I hate fluid dynamics

#screenshots message

[sullen gull]

Hey man, if Ficist want's that productivity.... They gotta give me a bit more than just coffee to keep going now! 😏

[candid ingot]

I didn’t know that that was metric system, I guess I’m just slow

[dim flint]

You need the greenist liquid you can find.

[merry perch]

biofuel

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> "Marv didn't share an image. Thank god." 🤣

[candid ingot]

Dark matter residue

[sterile blade]

#1038092680493801533 will let you ask and follow-up with pictures without going between different channels

[sullen gull]

Out a "loop-back". Connect a pipe from one end of the junction to the other end.

[candid ingot]

The humble water tower

[sour vessel]

ope my bad thanks ❤️

[dim flint]

No biofuel takes the cake I think.

[merry perch]

nah, heavy oil residue

[hard ivy]

I wonder how many calories liquid biofuel has?

[candid ingot]

W bulk?

[merry perch]

over 4

[sullen gull]

42

[merry perch]

im correct

[candid ingot]

How many calories does nuclear pasta have?

[merry perch]

doesnt uranium 235 have like 4 billion calories

per gram i think

[candid ingot]

I think

[merry perch]

we should be able to bite off a chunk of our nuclear fuel rods to test this theory

[candid ingot]

I’ma put that shit in my shake TBH

[sullen gull]

Alright science geeks.... how'd they figure that one out? 🤣

[candid ingot]

Aperture Science mandated testing

[merry perch]

they shoved uranium 235 in this one machine that tests it

i forget what its called

it explodes the substance and how hot it gets is how many calories it is iirc i think its explode or just heat up

[sterile blade]

I'm having a hard time following... How many standing jumps is one calorie again?

Calorie-per-knee-jerk works too...

[candid ingot]

Or they ate it 🤔

[merry perch]

no clue

calories is a measure of heat in something im like 70% sure on that

[sullen gull]

18 billion / gram 😮

[merry perch]

pretty close

the forbidden bulk

[candid ingot]

How many calories are in a Fixonium fuel rod?

[hard ivy]

By that logic, everything has 6.5e12 calories per gram because you can throw it into a black hole and get 30% of E=mc² out 🤷‍♂️

[sterile blade]

It's energy. So for Uranium, you could probably calculate how much energy (ie: calories) it has just by its weight and radioactive decay (that's what makes radioactive things heat up)

[merry perch]

its funnier to think they shoved it in a machine tho

[hard ivy]

Dietary calories are about how much energy the human body can extract from it. And in that context, uranium has a negative valve

[candid ingot]

What even is fixonium? Like what element is it?

[sterile blade]

Why 30%?

[merry perch]

fixonium?

[hard ivy]

Idk, that's how much you get in radiation out of the accretion disk. Apparently. One YT video I watched said so lol

[sullen gull]

doesn't ADA tell you how it was made?

[sterile blade]

Actually they didn't just "shove it in", as they delicately fed a machine who answered, with a perfect French accent, with a complete description of the taste and amount of calories of the sample

[sour vessel]

Molded Steel Pipe or Solid Steel Ingot 🤔

Leaning towards solid steel

but idk

[sullen gull]

If it were me, it'd be MSP

[hard ivy]

I don't really use either but I don't use molded pipe more so the choice is either neither or steel for me

Fyi, you can just leave the drive unselected

[sour vessel]

It just seems like SSI would give quite a bit more steel for not a lot more effort

[sullen gull]

Yeah, I usually leave em until I need em

[merry perch]

i usually just auto get them if they look good

[sullen gull]

Once you get Alu beams, no real need for steel 😏

[sterile blade]

It's an alloy.
69% creativity, 16% science-fiction, 15% bullshit

[merry perch]

ig

[sullen gull]

ig?

[merry perch]

i guess

or instagram depends on context

[sullen gull]

Ahh.

[sterile blade]

They're trying to hit on you on Instagram

[merry perch]

for alu beams to become viable for me i gotta up my aluminum prod since i only use one node rn iirc

[shrewd palm]

i take back everything good i've said about pipes they're lowkey kind of evil

[sullen gull]

Lol, two constructors with alu beams and like .. 10 constructors making screws... bam .. 4800 screws /min

[sullen gull]

Lemme see

[merry perch]

what screws recipe is that?

[sullen gull]

Steel Screws

[merry perch]

oh

yeah i been using cast screws

[sterile blade]

Steel Screw goes very brrr

[sullen gull]

All fits on one mk3 bpd (maybe mk2, one sec)

[shrewd palm]

basically the last 2 refineries in every line are backing up because they cant get their heavy oil out, despite the pipes having enough empty flow rate to do so

[sullen gull]

Then something else down the line is not consuming fast enough

[shrewd palm]

all the pipes are being fed into systems of blenders that have enough to eat up 1 600 pipe per system

[sullen gull]

Or/and, split the flow between two/three pipes

[shrewd palm]

and none of the pipes getting out are backing up, although im starting to think i should flush the system just in case

[sullen gull]

🤷‍♂️ , guessing blind here more or less 😏

You could just try and manually pulling the fluid from the machine buffers

Throwing it to thge trash

[shrewd palm]

i am also splitting the pipes into 2 pipes before they get into the machines

[sullen gull]

From one end? or both?

[sterile blade]

You might want to make a #1038092680493801533 post so all your messages on the issue are in one place rather than all over the chat (and multiple channels )

[shrewd palm]

yeah thats probably better

[sullen gull]

Persoinally I would do it from both ends. Fluids should always be in a loop imo

[shrewd palm]

before i do that im gonna try something

[sterile blade]

Meh. I don't like how that tends to make flow unreadable

[zenith pecan]

That is a lesson I learned the hard way with numerous hammer type sloshes and underperforming systems that both snarl up the source and starve the target.

[sullen gull]

Flow isn't "important" imo. You have a mk1 pipe, it should always "flow" at 300/min. Except only for the lines that directly feed the machines.

[shrewd palm]

this seems to have worked

but only time will tell

[sullen gull]

I took "inpsiration" from a "real-world' scenario of sprinker systems.

[shrewd palm]

ok it looks like you just have to treat the output manifolds the same as input manifolds

not sure why i didnt think of this sooner

[sullen gull]

If you have a "dead-head" sprinkler system ,or anything with multiple "feed lines", You have to supply much more "pressure" required to maintain the same "flow" at the end valve that you would have at the first. When you put in a loop, all "feed-lines" can maintain the same "pressure" as the "main trunk" ... If that makes any sense.

[shrewd palm]

i'll draw up a picture

of what i was doinbg

[astral patio]

the pinata can be popped, this is awesome

[sullen gull]

And, since there really isn't any way to increase (pressure), outside of maybe
"over feeding" a line maybe... But, "pressure" can be seen in the way one pipe segment's "flow" is affected by the last segments fill level.

[upper gale]

Ngl, I've never needed to use the loop method. Well more like, it wasn't fully required

[sullen gull]

Hey, if it works, it work, not going to discount that. Going by that mentality, for me of course, I have never had a fluid issue. More so I forgot to power something or upgrade a belt lol

[upper gale]

Yeah that's usually the case

[sterile blade]

Going in the opposite direction, one can happen upon "pipe load balancing"

[covert vault]

Dunno, gave up and went to sleep.

[cunning glade]

I mean idk what y'all want

Also don't really care I have a factory too build

Ik I can use 600-800w so whateves

[glad drum]

Is there anything to actually -do- for the 1st Anniversary thing or is it just the fun HUB stuff

[cunning glade]

I don't think so

[glad drum]

Okay whew good I was worried I missed something

[cunning glade]

Also this card hates high temps and high clocks

So I can't even go over 3.4ghz on air

Cuz stability cuz temps

3.7ghz seems too be the sweet spot

Before I go on water I might capacitor mod cuz u can get the mem too 2900mhz potentially

Praying it doesn't clock too high

God this thing heats up so quickly

[sterile blade]

#off-topic-tech might be able to help

[cunning glade]

Not an issue some people from before don't believe that I can oc my 7900xtx and let it use 700w or more

[sullen gull]

You can beat on the Bean ballon and pop the pinata! 😛

[cunning glade]

Running 3dmark as that's the most power intensive thing

So far it stays at 800-950w

[glad drum]

THANK YOU I WILL DO THAT 😄

[cunning glade]

That's true u can do that

[sterile blade]

Sure, but what's #satisfactory about your GPU?

[cunning glade]

Idk they brought it up again

[dense violet]

rude. just poke them and make them run away

[plain gate]

800w gpu is crazy 💀

[sullen gull]

Noooo, the balloon in the hub! ... Log in an see fer yerself mate!

[cunning glade]

If only something monitored the real power draw cuz a killawatt doesn't count

[cunning glade]

it only got too 757w

but had a 100mv undervolt

[rustic hare]

ticket store tape!

[cunning glade]

Idk what I did but I'm not even hitting 100c

Is 1200 plastic a min a solid amount? For getting started

[strange vigil]

Im on 120, 1200 is fine

[cunning glade]

I see

I made a factory for it so I can train it around

[coral glacier]

FIC-sonium is FIC-tional.

get it? 😆

[sullen gull]

That's what I am doiing currently: #math-and-meta message

[cunning glade]

I'm just praying amd listens too the maximum clock speed I set

[limpid cairn]

time to rework my alumina factory (its 4 am)

[peak wasp]

I swear 90% of this game is running back and forth between the map

Finally got my rifle and explosive ammo so exploring will be a lot easier defensively

[leaden turret]

🏭 🏃‍♀️ 🏭

[limpid cairn]

actually its
🏭 🏃‍♀️ 🏭

because youre flying

actually

[leaden turret]

that would would be
🏭 🎯⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛ 🏃‍♀️ 🏭

[limpid cairn]

yup

[upper gale]

e
🏃‍♀️

[vale grotto]

Starting work on my first fuel power plant in this save!! 2400/min fuel :3

Should hold me for a while. Coming from my coal plant making 2.4GW, this should be a pretty big upgrade lol

[shy fog]

*20 -> 🪦 is the prefered transport method 😛

anyways, stopped in just to mention I've finished the nuclear pasta for phase 4

working the thermal propulsion unit setup... almost done. gonna grab the water bottles to move to the unit producing them in a moment

being a non-megafactory player is hard...

cooling system set because I can't non-factory it... in progress... 2 to go for this piece

[coral glacier]

Accurate representation of my plutonium reactor plant i'm working on:

[crude cave]

Does turbofuel make your cars go faster?

[spark sky]

One question: If you make a BP where you place a belt going into something (say a splitter) that is in the place of something too big to place on the BP (say a coal power generator), then remove the splitter so that the belt is still there as if it were still connected, then later, when you place the BP and place the coal power generator on it, will the belt connect to the power generator, or will you have to replace the belt?

(Understanding that the end of the belt would be inside the input to the coal power generator.)

[shrewd palm]

it would be safer to replace it